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04:12.24biffffabsentia you here?
04:13.15absentiahey
04:13.20absentiareading up on c++
04:13.22absentiawhat's up ?
04:13.31biffffhey i need a favor
04:13.34absentiasure
04:13.49biffffcan I have my shell access on spy.org again.
04:13.53absentiasure
04:14.08absentia<PROTECTED>
04:14.10biffffCharlie in SF is having a cow that he can not DL a large file from Audible.com
04:14.17absentia:-)
04:14.24absentiaI have 2000GB/mo xfer there
04:14.28absentia6MB/sec to the net
04:14.30absentiaenjoy
04:15.54biffffthanks
04:16.23absentiaBAD PASSWORD: it is based on a dictionary word
04:16.28biffffok
04:16.29absentiano, spy.org is my ip class, going to ether
04:16.32absentiathis is www.spy.org
04:16.34absentiacpa
04:16.42absentiayou have some old files there, etc.
04:16.44biffffyou let me know what u want to use
04:16.49biffffya
04:16.52absentiait's in use
04:16.54absentiaI am root
04:16.58absentiathe computer will obey me.
04:17.10biffffthat is what I was going to let him dl
04:17.10biffffhehehehehe
04:17.11absentiait doesn't have a choice, and if it gets cranky, it gets windows installed.
04:18.50biffffhehehehe
04:21.00absentiadidja get in ?
04:21.50biffffya
04:22.26biffffdamn computer will not let me use any of my cool password.
04:22.28biffffshti
04:22.30biffffshit
04:22.36absentiaheheh
04:22.42absentiajust add ... to the end
04:22.43absentiathat's what I do
04:22.53absentiaand if it complains, just put the same password again
04:22.56absentiait's not real security
04:23.03absentiait's just intimiadation...
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04:24.01biffffBAD PASSWORD: it is based on a dictionary word
04:24.01biffffNew password:
04:24.01biffffBAD PASSWORD: it is based on a dictionary word
04:24.01biffffNew password:
04:24.01biffffBAD PASSWORD: it is too short
04:24.01biffffpasswd: Authentication token manipulation error
04:24.08biffffarghhhhh....
04:24.13absentiaheheh
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04:27.24bifffffinaly changed
04:27.26biffffit
04:27.36absentiasee, just can't let it think it can get its way
04:27.44absentiagotta show it's who's the boss.
04:28.23biffffheheheh
04:34.49radugawait.
04:34.54radugawho *is* the boss?
04:35.01radugabiff or scott?
04:35.11absentiadefinitely don't ever let the 'puter think it is...
04:35.50radugawell. ok.  at least, I know it's not me either ;)
04:43.09absentia!seen or been seen running around naked lately.
04:43.21absentiastupid bot tricks
04:43.45biffffabsentia, where is the log file so I can see when he hits the file to download it.  Can I tail it.
04:44.01absentiaprobably not.. I'll check.
04:44.11absentiahttp?
04:44.13absentiacheck ou t/tmp
04:45.01biffffthks
04:46.03biffffi wanted to watch the httpd access.log file
04:46.21absentiacheck out /tmp/
04:46.32biffffk
04:47.02absentia<PROTECTED>
04:48.12biffffyes
04:48.22biffffu da man
04:48.35biffffso now i just wait
04:48.45absentiathe space isn't tight.
04:48.50biffffhow is work,
04:49.17absentiastrange.
04:49.30bifffferic my son is in my lap, he has a fever of 102
04:49.34biffffyikes
04:49.49absentiayuk
04:49.51biffffstrange?
04:49.54absentiaI was pretty sick last thu/fri
04:49.58absentiajust came home and went to bed
04:50.02biffffwhat is strange
04:50.25absentiasat morning woke up with stomach feeling better, but slept wrong and pulled a muscle in my lower back -- so I could barely stand up... that lastest until monday...
04:50.37absentiastrange.... it's difficult to descripbe the place.
04:50.42absentiaever seen the movie -- inherit the wind?
04:50.54biffffno
04:52.09biffffbrb
04:54.21biffffwhat is tikwiki
04:54.45biffffnice
04:54.53absentiawiki means "quick" (or so goes the rumour) ... in hawaiian.  mostly it's for quick editing of web pages, etc.
04:54.59biffffi like this tiki
04:55.27absentiatiki does more than just wiki
04:55.40absentiait does forums, articles, blogs, etc...
04:55.52absentiaI like it because I can get at my data now via my blackberry, etc.
04:56.09biffffnice
04:56.14biffffhow hard was it to install
04:56.31absentiatrivial
04:57.29absentiaI don't really want a blog... but I figure I'll become familiar with the technology, etc.
04:57.43absentiaI have this installed at work for all my documentation, etc...
04:58.04absentia(the jgraphpad java drawing tool is quite powerful/nice)
04:58.31absentiabut since I don't want to lose useful info, I use interwiki to link to notes at spy... for things that aren't work related.
04:59.56absentiaI still don't know much about the RSS feeds stuff...  but the tiki seems pretty capable, even if the docs are lacking.
05:01.14biffffnice
05:01.36absentiait does file galleries and image galleries etc.
05:02.52biffffnice
05:03.04biffffi just logged in, and am waiting for my email conf
05:03.53absentiashould be sent out immediately.
05:06.40bifffftmda
05:06.43biffffopps
05:06.43absentiathere are a lot of features in the tiki, but I mostly just want a nice wiki... I like the ability to be able to put my notes somewhere.. and tghen just get there from anywhere with a browser, and be able to search.
05:06.49absentia:-)
05:06.58absentiatoo much damn annoyance :->
05:08.35absentialet me know when you get in
05:11.06biffffgot it
05:11.17absentia:-)
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05:12.48absentiathere are you
05:13.17absentiathe little items on the left and the right .. with the blue boxes.. are modules.
05:13.28absentiacan you tell me the title of the first box on the left? for you ?
05:13.33absentiamenu or search?
05:13.42biffffsearch
05:13.48absentiaok the right side
05:13.57bifffflogin
05:14.05absentiado you see login, online users, quick edit, google, top pages, shout box?
05:14.06biffffIt does webmail also???
05:14.09absentiayes
05:14.13absentiait's quite vicious
05:14.20absentianews reading
05:14.57absentiaI haven't ventured into that corner, yet. (webmail, etc)
05:15.31biffffhehehe
05:15.50bifffflogin, onlineusers, quick edit, google, top pages, shout box.
05:16.24absentiaok
05:16.32absentiaif you adjust the modules yourself, then you have to set them all up
05:16.40absentiasince I adjusted my modules, I only had a few
05:16.53absentiaand then I kept adding more.. but since you haven't set any for yourself, you get the default that I set up..
05:16.55absentiathat's good.
05:17.04absentiait's what I wanted.
05:17.21biffffnice
05:17.40biffffhow long did it take you install and setup.
05:19.29absentiawell
05:19.35absentiathis is redhat 7.3
05:20.04biffffrpm
05:20.04absentiaso I had to compile a few fixins
05:20.04absentiatook me 6 hours.
05:20.19biffffdamn, that translates into 3 days for me.
05:20.22absentiabut if you have modern components, you should get the tar, untar, make an account, create mysql, run post set up... done.
05:20.25absentia5 minutes.
05:20.47absentiathat was 6 hours after I had successfully installed it at work.
05:20.51biffffi am watching a movie called core.
05:21.04absentiafishburne?
05:21.07absentiasp?
05:21.09biffffit has a hacker on it that is totally un realistic
05:21.15biffffLame
05:21.16absentiaheheh
05:21.18absentiatypical
05:21.44absentiathe tv show kung fu.. the cop "hacker" never had his fingers ever get off the home row
05:22.00absentiahe just moves his fingers as if he was typing... and everyone was just watching the screen
05:22.03absentiaI was watching his fingers.
05:22.06absentialame
05:22.24biffffin james bond file golden eye, Boris, never typed a key on the right side of the kbd.
05:22.27absentiaI mean, at least PRETEND...
05:22.35absentia:-)
05:22.38biffffhe only used his left hand, and only on the left side.
05:22.41biffffya
05:22.47absentialike my password" resetter
05:22.57biffffwhich
05:23.02absentia<PROTECTED>
05:23.07absentiatype it
05:23.24biffffresetter
05:23.25biffffheheheheh
05:23.26biffffyes
05:23.29biffffleft handed
05:23.31biffffresetter
05:23.34biffffI like that
05:23.36biffffhahahahaha
05:23.40absentiaI think... longest word that's all left handed.
05:24.00absentiarereader
05:25.36mercstewartessess ;)
05:25.45absentiayes
05:25.50absentiathere you go
05:25.56absentiastewardesses
05:26.03merci knew i screwed up.
05:26.18mercantidisestablishmentarianism!
05:26.43absentiak/whois mercsounds
05:27.43biffffwell, I am off to sleep.
05:27.47absentianight!
05:27.53biffffnight
05:27.56biffffthanks
05:28.00absentianp
05:28.01absentiahey
05:28.05biffff<PROTECTED>
05:28.08biffffhey
05:28.10absentiadid you see the new zug domain, elsi, etc?
05:28.13absentiaall changed around
05:28.15absentianp
05:28.39biffffya
05:28.39biffffI liked the old one better
05:28.52absentiayup
05:28.55absentia:-/
05:28.56merci like the new forum software
05:29.01absentiahopefully it will improve.
05:29.05mercor, at least the appearance.
05:29.12absentiaI like the forum software, just takes a while to get use to it
05:29.24absentiait's somewhat hard on my eyes, etc.. but it seems to work better and have more features
05:29.40absentiabut the software.... site.. is new.. I sent some feedback, etc.. I'm sure it will get worked on.
05:29.42absentia:->
05:31.33biffffI dont think I will be able to keep rc8 on my z
05:32.01absentiahttp://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_blog.php?blogId=16
05:32.18absentiaWebmail has been an area of much discussion. The current TikiWiki implementation isnt worth listing on a features list. Once we have a suitable packager I can get my Tiki-Squirrelmail? packaged onto mods.
05:32.32absentiabiff: still can't get the modem to work? :-<
05:32.49absentiadoes it work with cacko 1.22 ?
05:34.01biffffI looked ya
05:34.11biffffit works with sharp
05:35.18absentiacacko 1.22 is sharp based
05:35.35absentianote sure if the kernel is new[er], though
05:36.11biffffah..
05:36.18biffffwell I will dl it and try it.
05:36.43biffffEric is crying again.
05:36.47biffffI will try to come back.
05:37.29absentiait's late
05:37.32absentiaI should be sleeping
05:37.37absentiaI'll see ya tomorrow.
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07:16.52kendrickhttp://www.bargainpda.com/default.asp?newsID=2379
07:44.10radugahm.  sounds like the keyboard might be a little better
07:44.22radugare: screen
07:44.42radugaI've heard that the 6000 has a slightly better screen than the C-series (a bit more readable)
07:44.54radugadoes the C3000 have the old C-series screen, or the new 6000 screen?
07:45.26radugafrom pictures, the C3000 screen *looks* smaller... probably because the rest of the unit has gotten bigger but the screen hasn't changed size
07:46.26lpotterthe 6000 has a 4" screen
07:46.37lpotterit is slightly bigger than c700
07:46.46kendrickhey ljp
07:46.49lpotterhiya
07:47.06kendrickbeen a while, hasn't it?
07:47.15radugalpotter: I understand.  but, does the C3000 have a screen that is more C-700 like or more 6000 like?
07:48.58lpotteri would think more like c700
07:49.07lpotterkendrick: ya
07:49.23lpottergetting ready for the archos release :)
07:49.38kergoththe archos looks damn cool
07:49.40kendrickremind me :)
07:49.42kendrickhey kerg
07:49.45kergothhey
07:49.46kendrickwhat's archos?
07:49.50radugawhy do the reviews keep describing the zaurus screen as transflective??
07:50.55kergothkendrick: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8307749263.html
07:51.00radugaseems to me that its purely transmissive (for the C-series,  6000)
07:51.29lpotterhttp://www.archos.com/products/overview/pma_400.html
07:51.45lpottersome are transflective, some arent
07:52.04radugalpotter: enh.  the 5x00 are. I understand that.
07:52.18radugalpotter: but I hear that term bandied about quite a lot
07:52.22kendrickthx
07:52.24kendrickwill read in a bit...
07:52.39kergothlpotter: have you had a chance to play with one of those yet?
07:52.59lpotterwe have one in the office, ya
07:53.03kergothhow is it?
07:53.09lpotterits nice
07:53.21lpottersmooth video playback
07:53.36kergothcool
07:53.45lpotteruses a dual screen display thingy
07:54.08lpotterplays videos on the nice screen, and saves bits on the launcher
07:55.08lpotterthey used their own codecs.. so they can show wmv
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08:08.03kendrickokay, wife's laptop can now suspend
08:08.06kendrickso i can now go to sleep :)
08:09.45kendrickoh, before i leave
08:09.51kendrickwhere do i sign up to write games for the Archos? ;)
08:10.45kendrickor do mine 'just work' already? ;)
08:11.24lpottershould work. there will be an sdk when the device is released
08:11.33kendrickneat
08:11.49lpotter:) ya
08:12.08lpottercontest
08:12.14lpotterhmmm
08:12.58kendrickheh
08:13.03kendrickwell, gotta run
08:13.07kendricknight ;)
08:14.48lpotterl8r
08:34.12Georgeyoyo lpotter
08:38.07lpotteryo, g
08:50.09Georgetime to go to lessons
08:50.09Georgebye
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15:29.06SuNDoes anyone know a site like pricejapan.com but for products from Hongkong?
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17:33.25radugahi bif
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18:16.09Ploujwhere do I buy a zaurus sl5600 in Canada!?!?
18:19.19Ploujhttp://myzaurus.com/wherebuy.asp - both of the links on that page open blank pages for me in firefox :/
18:21.47radugamyzaurus is no longer on the plane of reality
18:21.57radugaSharp no longer supports the Zaurus outside of Japan
18:21.59Plouj:/
18:22.10radugayour best bet is probably eBay
18:22.22PloujI couldn't find a 5600 on there
18:22.43radugathere *might* be a few resellers with one or two 5600s left in stock, somewhere in Canada, but good luck finding them
18:23.03radugaPlouj: try again, you should be able to find a 5600 on eBay eventually
18:23.09radugathough, probably, used.
18:24.20radugaeh. one is for canucks!
18:24.32radugaactually, there are two 5600s on ebay.com
18:24.39radugaboth are "US only" unfortunately for you
18:24.53Ploujexactly...
18:25.39Ploujoy
18:25.43Ploujvay
18:26.44radugathere are a few 5500s that will ship to .ca though
18:27.06PloujI sux at ebay
18:27.23Ploujplus the shipping is prolyy expensive
18:27.33Ploujprolly*
18:28.22radugahttp://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=38331&item=5744350330&rd=1
18:28.31raduga$10 us shipping,  $20 to canada
18:29.03SuNGetting a Z is not easy :)
18:29.08radugano
18:29.36SuNAt this point, the C-series is probably easier to get than the 6000.
18:29.51PloujC?
18:30.11radugaplouj: if you've a bit more money, the Cx00 are a much better machine
18:30.13SuNSL-C860, SL-C3000
18:30.26Ploujnever heard of those
18:30.28radugaoh!
18:30.32PloujI learned about the zaurus today...
18:30.36Ploujand I do have a bit more money :p
18:30.44kergoth_google is your friend
18:31.04radugaplouj: where did you hear of the zaurus?
18:31.15Plouj<PROTECTED>
18:31.16Ploujhaahhaah
18:31.26radugahave you seen a live one? or just pictures?
18:31.31Ploujjust pictures
18:31.44radugaC-series are clamshell models, with folding keyboard
18:31.54Ploujlike sl6000?
18:31.56radugathey have 640x480 vga-style and shape screen
18:31.57radugano
18:32.00PloujI see: http://www.i4u.com/section-viewarticle-71.html
18:32.13Ploujthey all got linux, right
18:32.14radugasl6000 is a standard PDA-shape, with 480x640 screen
18:32.27radugathey all, of course.
18:32.39Ploujoh right
18:32.48PloujI've seen the c3000
18:32.52radugathe C3000 has basically the same shape as the C700/750/760/860
18:32.54Ploujbut thats QUITE a bit more money
18:33.05radugathe 5500/5600/6000 are different
18:33.07radugayes.
18:33.12radugamuch more expensive.
18:33.23radugaone thing you will want to keep in mind:
18:33.25PloujI think dell sells laptops for that price...
18:34.03radugathe only *current* models are 6000/C860/C3000
18:34.12Ploujok
18:34.12radugaso if you want anything else, you'll have to buy a used one
18:34.13Ploujthat helps
18:34.27SuN860 is USD 550 from Pricejapan
18:34.42radugayes. that's true :)
18:35.01radugaif you trust IRC for all your tech support needs, go with pricejapan.
18:35.17Ploujahahahaha
18:35.47SuNWell, to me that's more than some random Ebayer which might just decide to keep your money without sending anything :)
18:35.56radugaSuN: yes :)
18:36.28radugaanyone ever dealt with pricejapan on warranty issues?
18:36.41Ploujlol
18:36.45SuNNot me.
18:36.46Ploujyou can use paypal in pricejapan!
18:37.02SuNAnd moneybookers.. cost me exactly 50 cents to pay for my 860.
18:39.44lpotter*yawn
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19:52.57neotronlpotter,  did you leave trolltech?
19:53.09neotron(just saw your emails on hc.o)
19:59.49lpotternope. still working there
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20:48.05unholyMy SL-5500 locks up when I insert any CF card. Is it possible to flash the rom from the SD slot?
20:49.00unholyOn the sites that contain roms, the instructions always use the CF slot.
20:49.08SuNHmm is the current OS causing the lockup, or is your slot broken? The reflash procedure doesn't use the current OS but directly addresses the slot, there's a good chance you'll be able to use the CF slot.
20:50.12unholyA third party app locked up the device. I pulled out the card and rebooted and I've had the problem ever since. I cant insert anything into the CF slot.
20:50.20unholyThe slot is not damaged.
20:50.40SuNThe flashing procedure completely bypasses the current rom though, so I would expect it to work.
20:50.55unholyOh! I see now - excuseme.
20:50.59unholyThats great.
20:51.10SuNIt's worth a try anyway, you'll find out soon enough if it doesn't work :)
20:51.15unholy:)
20:54.11radugais the SD card formatted FAT or EXT?
20:54.33unholyraduga: I assume you have a choice?
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20:55.37radugano.
20:55.51radugayou can only flash from a fat formatted card.
20:55.55FisuAnyone running multisync succesfully? I'm getting calendar entries deleted from Zaurus on certain cases when syncing.
20:56.17unholyI see.
20:56.43unholyraduga: I've just read on the sharp site that you can only flash from the CF slot.
20:57.05unholysorry, not the sharp site http://www.zaurususergroup.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=FAQ&file=index&myfaq=yes&id_cat=20&categories=System&parent_id=0#145
21:07.48mercdamn.
21:08.18SuNThe newer series can update from sd, but I don't think the 5500 can.
21:08.27mercoh, rockon.
21:08.44mercim still too scared to do anything anyway, that and i dont think 6000 is ready yet.
21:11.09radugaunholy: it is possible to flash from a SD card, at least on the C7x0
21:11.29radugaI believe also on other models- that information on ZUG may be old or inaccurate
21:11.38unholySuN: thanks for the info.
21:12.04unholyraduga: thanks for that. It's a 5500-SL.
21:12.28unholyraduga: do you know where I could find that out? I'm trying to sell it.
21:12.51GeorgeWHAT?
21:12.55mercthing on /. about 3000 review..
21:12.56Georgetrying to sell a Zaurus?!?!
21:13.04merccouple zaurus haters on the comments :)
21:13.39unholyGeorge: I love my Zaurus, but the battery life of that particular model isn't enough for me.
21:13.57unholyBut I love everything else - especially the design.
21:16.05Georgeheh
21:16.28radugageorge: are you looking to buy one?
21:16.58Georgeraduga: no.
21:17.07Georgeraduga: I've just bought 2 20" lcds and a geforce 6600, I have no money.
21:17.17unholy:)
21:17.24SuNDoes anyone know what font Sharp uses on the Zaurus boxes? it looks a lot like Times New Roman, but it's slightly different.
21:18.02kergothprobably helvetica or something
21:20.29SuNHm it looks a lot like a font I have called "Nimbus"
21:20.35SuNThat might just be it.
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23:04.39whiteyWOW I am soo mad, I think I may have screwed myself.  I bought a Ambicom WL1100CCFC wireless card and it seems that it is CF type I slot while my sl-5500 zaurus that is on the way is a type II which i just ound out
23:05.03SuNEh
23:05.07SuNShould fit, regardless :)
23:05.15whiteycan someone clarify for me if i have infact screwed myself or can i use this card in my zaurus as well, I could have sworn I saw a review saying that it was compatible and recomended
23:05.21SuNA type II slot can take both type I and type II cards.
23:05.23whiteyNICE that is what i wanted to hear
23:05.33whiteyI am a happy man now thanks a TON
23:05.53SuNType I is thinner, so if you have a Type I slot, you can't use type II cards, but type I cards fit in a type II slot just fine.
23:06.40whiteyawesome thanks for stopping my panic attack, I though I was $60 in the hole and a week or so out on ordering another one :)
23:06.56SuN:)
23:08.02whiteyso BTW how are they Ambicom cards compared to say a socket or SMC card?
23:08.22whiteysame same pick your poison or what?  I think they all use the prism 2.5 chipset eh?
23:08.50SuNMost of them, I guess... you might see differences in power consumption, but it remains a guess most of the time.
23:08.51whiteyare they possible power hungry beasts compared to say a socket low pwr card?
23:09.06whiteycool, thanks for the good info
23:09.15SuNDepends a bit on your Z.
23:09.33SuNA non-low power card can drain your SL5500 within 30 minutes.
23:10.01SuNMy SL-C860 lasts for about 4 hours compared to 7 when using my non-low power card.
23:10.24SuNI haven't played with turning it back to ,say, 1MBps though.
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