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| 00:54.44 | conundrum | ibot: ibot |
| 00:54.46 | | from memory, ibot is a blootbot now, no longer an infobot. run by BZFlag (TimRiker) on his server. see blootbot also http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/ it uses SQLite but can use MySQL or other SQL for storage. eliza's boyfriend. Enemy of SCOBot |
| 00:55.09 | conundrum | ibot: SCOBot |
| 00:55.12 | | scobot is, like, It was a dark and storm night when SCObot came into being. The powers of good were destroying the credibility of the Evil Ones, and the powers of evil realized they had to fight back. Thus was hatched the plan to cover the planet with their cruel robot minions. There first target: #utah. |
| 00:55.25 | conundrum | lol |
| 00:55.46 | conundrum | Anyone feel like helping me with some SD card problems? |
| 00:56.15 | conundrum | I'm trying to copy over the IPKGs from the old card to a CF, so I can move them to a new SD once it's ext2 formatted. |
| 00:56.29 | conundrum | Or rarther, the installed programs...not the ipkgs. |
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| 01:03.50 | pole | any new semi-stable snapshots of OZ around? |
| 01:04.26 | conundrum | 3.3.4 is good. |
| 01:04.42 | pole | http://www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.3.5-rc1/ |
| 01:04.45 | pole | what about that? |
| 01:04.56 | conundrum | Ack, I hear it's not quite stable yet. |
| 01:05.01 | conundrum | But feel free to nuke your Z. |
| 01:05.10 | pole | where are the 3.3.4 images/feed? |
| 01:05.20 | conundrum | Hrmm. |
| 01:05.24 | conundrum | ibot: 3.3.4 |
| 01:05.27 | | 3.3 |
| 01:05.34 | conundrum | Your useless, ibot. |
| 01:06.11 | pole | collie == SL5500? |
| 01:06.38 | conundrum | Dunno. |
| 01:06.45 | conundrum | ibot: OZ 3.3.4 is http://www.opie.us/opie/devZone.php/initrds/OZ-Opie-1.02/ |
| 01:06.47 | | ...but oz 3.3.4 is already something else... |
| 01:06.48 | pole | hmm |
| 01:06.55 | conundrum | ibot: oz 3.3.4 |
| 01:06.56 | | you can find it at http://www.opie.us/opie/devZone.php/initrds/OZ-Opie-1.02/ |
| 01:06.58 | pole | ibot: what is oz 3.3.4? |
| 01:07.00 | | you can find it at http://www.opie.us/opie/devZone.php/initrds/OZ-Opie-1.02/ |
| 01:07.30 | conundrum | ibot oz 3.3.4 is also a nice new beta, built by ljp(?) |
| 01:07.32 | | okay, conundrum |
| 01:07.40 | conundrum | ibot: oz 3.3.4 |
| 01:07.41 | | you can find it at http://www.opie.us/opie/devZone.php/initrds/OZ-Opie-1.02/, or a nice new beta, built by ljp(?) |
| 01:07.51 | treke|ho1e | ibot collie |
| 01:07.52 | | i heard collie is sharp sl-5500 and sl-5000d, or a dog |
| 01:08.04 | pole | oh |
| 01:08.17 | conundrum | ibot no, oz 3.3.4 is http://www.opie.us/opie/devZone.php/initrds/OZ-Opie-1.02/ , a nice new version using opie 1.01 |
| 01:08.18 | | okay, conundrum |
| 01:08.21 | conundrum | ibot no, oz 3.3.4 is http://www.opie.us/opie/devZone.php/initrds/OZ-Opie-1.02/ , a nice new version using opie 1.02 |
| 01:08.22 | | okay, conundrum |
| 01:08.26 | conundrum | Thanks. |
| 01:08.52 | conundrum | pole: I know all the Zaurii have dog breeds as code names, just don't know which is which. |
| 01:09.08 | pole | the current snapshot i'm using has trouble with apm... does that one not suspend responsivly? |
| 01:09.13 | pole | conundrum: i see |
| 01:09.31 | conundrum | Which one are you using pole? |
| 01:10.39 | pole | 3.3.3 |
| 01:11.24 | pole | what is wrong with 3.3.5-rc1? |
| 01:12.23 | conundrum | I liked 3.3.4 |
| 01:12.38 | pole | umkay... |
| 01:13.24 | pole | 3.3.3 never showed me how much power i had left on my battery |
| 01:13.31 | conundrum | Try 3.3.4 |
| 01:13.40 | pole | and my SMC CF 802.11b card would stop working if the battery is not peaked |
| 01:13.44 | pole | umkay |
| 01:14.01 | conundrum | Very slick with Opie 1.02, I only had a problem with my stupid SD card |
| 01:14.18 | conundrum | Is there any reason you keep saying "umkay"? |
| 01:14.28 | treke|ho1e | umkay |
| 01:14.31 | pole | nope, just saying OK... |
| 01:14.47 | conundrum | What's goin on man? |
| 01:15.32 | pole | that's what im saying dude |
| 01:15.46 | conundrum | pole? |
| 01:15.56 | pole | just joking |
| 01:15.58 | pole | sorry.... |
| 01:16.50 | conundrum | Don't be... |
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| 04:36.23 | chouimat | night |
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| 05:20.44 | oulevon | I'm interested in purchasing a Zaurus. Should I get the 5500 or 5600? |
| 05:32.13 | absentia | ug |
| 05:32.23 | absentia | oul: 6000 |
| 05:33.56 | kergoth | heh, 6000 is a beast |
| 05:34.06 | oulevon | how expensive is that? |
| 05:34.12 | oulevon | roughly? |
| 05:35.26 | absentia | why is it a beast? |
| 05:35.32 | absentia | no idea on the 6000 |
| 05:35.38 | absentia | what's your budget? |
| 05:36.29 | oulevon | I was looking for something around $500 |
| 05:36.42 | oulevon | but would go higher if it was really worth it |
| 05:41.19 | kergoth | absentia: have you seen the shots? its huge |
| 05:41.31 | kergoth | its more for enterprise/industrial than the consumer market |
| 05:41.54 | oulevon | Do you guys know why the 5600 comes with 32MB installed memory while the 5500 came with 64? |
| 05:41.56 | treke|ho1e | 6x3xsomething iirc |
| 05:42.16 | treke|ho1e | oulevon: Because sharp were idiots |
| 05:43.15 | oulevon | It just doesn't make any sense |
| 05:43.42 | treke|ho1e | oulevon: Bingo. |
| 05:45.30 | absentia | kegoth: ya |
| 05:45.35 | absentia | I love the clamshell formfactor |
| 05:45.56 | absentia | the 6000 looks like two pdas welded together length wise |
| 05:46.09 | absentia | oul: money... cost... at release time |
| 05:46.09 | treke|ho1e | absentia: hehe http://www.zaurususergroup.com/images/6000/imga0082.jpg |
| 05:46.15 | absentia | yup |
| 05:46.22 | oulevon | thanks |
| 05:46.29 | treke|ho1e | absentia: I really think it was just stupidity on their part :) |
| 05:46.55 | absentia | exactly, not THAT much bigger |
| 05:46.58 | treke|ho1e | They figured since they were putting in more flash no one would miss the ram, even though current users have found the memory limits to be probematic |
| 05:47.09 | absentia | I just like the fact that it appears to be ruggedized |
| 05:47.16 | absentia | who nkows, I might switch my 700 for a 6000 |
| 05:47.17 | treke|ho1e | that strikes me as significantly bigger, particularly since the keyboard is closed |
| 05:47.25 | absentia | yes! |
| 05:47.26 | absentia | exactly |
| 05:47.31 | absentia | with the keyboard open, refer to my comment above. |
| 05:48.29 | absentia | see the little white stuff for the 760 at the bottom |
| 05:48.32 | absentia | I was worried that I wouldn't like the size |
| 05:48.40 | absentia | but you know, I think it gives it a better feel than the 700 |
| 05:48.44 | absentia | now.. the 700 feels so wimpy. |
| 05:48.48 | treke|ho1e | I expected it to be bigger |
| 05:49.04 | treke|ho1e | when I got the c760 I was really surprised at how small it was |
| 05:49.09 | absentia | but, ya, even having the option of using the smaller battery is awesome, although I guess I could live without that (ie: if the larger battery wasn't just an afterthought...) |
| 05:49.13 | absentia | yes |
| 05:49.14 | absentia | ditto |
| 05:49.46 | treke|ho1e | yeah, though I think the way they handled the battery on the c760 was well done |
| 05:50.33 | treke|ho1e | being able to "upgrade" a c750 is nice |
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| 06:00.01 | absentia | upgrade a 750 ? |
| 06:04.47 | oulevon | If you guys had to go with one or the other which would you pick? The 5500 with the slower processor but 64mb installed memory, or the 5600 with the faster processor and only 32mb installed memory? |
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| 06:24.10 | absentia | ok |
| 06:24.10 | absentia | going home. |
| 06:24.11 | absentia | wheee |
| 06:24.15 | absentia | have to come in on thanksgiving |
| 06:24.27 | absentia | I'd go with the 5600 |
| 06:24.30 | absentia | if I had to make that choice |
| 06:25.12 | kergoth | oulevon: c7x0 isnt an option? |
| 06:26.16 | oulevon | kergoth; I haven't looked at it. Is it good? |
| 06:26.28 | offroadgeek | I wouldn't... I would go with the 5500 |
| 06:26.29 | kergoth | s/is it/are they/ |
| 06:26.38 | offroadgeek | I just don't think the 5600 is worth the extra cost |
| 06:26.51 | kergoth | i wouldnt buy a 5600, myself. |
| 06:27.08 | offroadgeek | it's like the 860... I'm not going to get it |
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| 07:11.15 | W8TVI|z | hmmm.... |
| 07:11.58 | W8TVI|z | spent thr last 3 hours playing a very hard game... a first person sneeker. |
| 07:12.21 | W8TVI|z | thief: the dark project. |
| 07:13.24 | vvff | Hmm... Any good? |
| 07:13.30 | W8TVI|z | yep |
| 07:13.36 | vvff | Speaking of sneakers... have you ever tried Project IGI? |
| 07:13.40 | vvff | Cool... |
| 07:13.47 | W8TVI|z | whata? |
| 07:14.13 | vvff | Project IGI. google on it... It is pretty cool. |
| 07:14.35 | vvff | And, sometimes, devilishly hard. |
| 07:15.07 | W8TVI|z | there are two newer versions of thief |
| 07:15.22 | W8TVI|z | google for it :) |
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| 07:20.49 | Luke-Jr | What prevents someone from flashing 860's NAND to the 760? |
| 07:24.40 | vvff | W8TVI|z: hmm, that game looks decent... dload link? ;-) |
| 07:25.36 | W8TVI|z | dont have any for ya... |
| 07:25.38 | W8TVI|z | lol |
| 07:26.32 | vvff | Ahh... |
| 07:26.41 | vvff | I'm broke, d00d. ;-) |
| 07:27.20 | W8TVI|z | me too |
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| 07:31.10 | lpotter | I'm not |
| 07:32.28 | lpotter | unles syou count debt |
| 07:34.37 | lpotter | in fact, I have to go spend some food money |
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| 11:08.08 | MaRk-UsE | hi all |
| 11:08.10 | MaRk-UsE | does any1 got gprs CF-card working on Zaurus 5500? |
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| 12:34.30 | MaRk-UsE | I wanna buy a Nokia D211 pcmcia-card, which I think should be compatible to Zaurus 5500 with openzaurus. could any1 pls confirm that |
| 12:51.41 | Twiun | MaRk-UsE: I have no idea about your gprs CF card, and iirc you can't use any pcmcia cards without a pcmcia-to-cf adapter. |
| 13:06.14 | MaRk-UsE | Twiun: no problem, I'll buy such an adapther |
| 13:06.47 | MaRk-UsE | the question is, if the card is supported my openzaurus/pcmcia-driver |
| 13:07.24 | MaRk-UsE | s/my/by/ |
| 13:14.36 | Twiun | that's a question best answered by the pcmcia-cs.sf.net page - they have a list of supported devices |
| 13:39.34 | MaRk-UsE | hmm, if a device is listed under http://pcmcia-cs.sourceforge.net/ as supported, it will work with my zaurus 5500, pls comfirm |
| 15:17.38 | chouimat | morning |
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| 16:11.50 | chouimat | cu tomorrow |
| 16:32.14 | pole | i have a smc CF 802.11b card and 90% of the time when i plug it in, it just tells me "unsupported card" |
| 16:32.35 | pole | when i do a cardctl status 0 it tells me [bat low] |
| 16:32.42 | pole | but i just charged the battery up |
| 16:33.24 | pole | anyone know what might be going on? |
| 16:33.46 | pole | i'm using a snapshot from last month sometime... OZ 3.3.3 or something |
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| 16:36.22 | MaRk-UsE | pole: try with connected to wire |
| 16:36.30 | pole | i am |
| 16:36.33 | pole | still does it |
| 16:36.44 | pole | hmm |
| 16:37.18 | pole | when i stick my 128mb CF card in, it works, but cardctl status 0 says [ready], [bat dead], [bat low] |
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| 17:36.09 | lfm | hi there - is there any way of making the zaurus 5600 sync with linux ? it seems that DTM broke qtopiadesktop |
| 17:38.08 | XavierXeon | lfm: exactly. as far as i know there is no way to sync dtm <-> linux |
| 17:38.40 | lfm | uh ! |
| 17:39.13 | lfm | how about changing the 1.21 ROM ? can I go back to the XML format ? |
| 17:40.23 | lfm | this is so ridiculous.... shame on sharp.....a linux PDA and no basic PIM app..... |
| 17:41.21 | XavierXeon | lfm: i dont know much about the 5600 so i can not be of much help. i just have the same problem with my c750 |
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| 17:42.31 | lfm | XavierXeon: 'cause they use the newer DTM based model... and it seems like the newer 5500 roms will be the same |
| 17:43.50 | lfm | and OZ seems to be unstable for these versions ( >= 5600 ). so we are stuck with a zaurus that cannot sync |
| 17:46.11 | XavierXeon | lfm: on a c750 oz is geting better and better (again i dont know about the 5600) |
| 17:47.09 | lfm | XavierXeon: are you running it ? |
| 17:47.34 | XavierXeon | not at the moment |
| 17:47.39 | lfm | ok |
| 17:51.28 | lfm | How about installing apps ? do you do it via windows or did you manage to get it to work on linux ? |
| 17:53.06 | lfm | the whole problem here is that I do not have windows.... and is a nightmare to get this toy to work without it. |
| 17:53.16 | XavierXeon | installing apps ? copy ipkg to zaurus via scp/sftp and then install them |
| 17:54.15 | lfm | but I have to get ssh installed first :) |
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| 17:56.07 | absentia | re |
| 17:57.10 | XavierXeon | lfm: correct, but if the 5600 works like a c750 it has an samba server running ! |
| 17:57.49 | lfm | great... let me check... |
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| 18:23.00 | treke|home | oh well. time for the worst part of holidays. Driving four hours to see people you really dont want to see :) |
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| 20:16.46 | absentia | can you find the two turkeys in this photo? --> http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20031127/i/r3401779168.jpg |
| 20:17.20 | Twiun | hard not to find in excess of 8 or more! |
| 20:20.55 | Cameron | haha |
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| 20:39.38 | sonix` | hello |
| 21:11.33 | absentia | http://www.orbitals.com/dcp/dcp3a.htm |
| 21:15.18 | sonix` | whats that, absentia? |
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| 22:02.43 | dan2003 | in the add rmeove software gui theres an option for download servers. anybody know of one or where there is a list that i can put in here? |
| 22:02.49 | dan2003 | on zaurus c760 |
| 22:03.03 | absentia | yes |
| 22:03.07 | absentia | there are a few |
| 22:03.10 | absentia | "feeds" |
| 22:03.29 | kybu | dan2003 hi, you were looking for me yesterday? |
| 22:03.34 | dan2003 | is it just the url to a dir containg .pkk ? |
| 22:04.04 | dan2003 | kybu, sorry, i kept getting yr nick up by accident whikst trying to acknolegde a comment with "k" as in ok |
| 22:04.28 | kybu | dan2003 i see ;) |
| 22:04.29 | absentia | well, feeds are dirs.. that usually cintain .ipk files... |
| 22:04.42 | dan2003 | ok. ill see what i can find, cheers |
| 22:04.46 | absentia | but there is a special file Packages or so.. that's like an index.html for the installation program |
| 22:04.56 | dan2003 | ahh |
| 22:05.00 | absentia | www.spy.org/zaurus/zinfo.html has a few |
| 22:05.06 | dan2003 | cheers |
| 22:29.20 | ljp | beers |
| 22:42.25 | dan2003 | im having trouble installing anyhing, a ackage downloads but doesnt unpack, zcat complains the package is not in gzip format |
| 22:44.26 | dan2003 | and if i try gunzip manually it says not in gzip format too |
| 22:48.33 | lpotter | could be in the new ipkg format which is ar |
| 22:48.53 | lpotter | I think there is a package of an updated ipkg for sharp roms at zsi |
| 22:51.28 | dan2003 | ahh, maybe.. but i think i spotted sumin odd going on, it seems if i download with a browser that it will gunzip, if i let ipkg downlaod its in an invalid format |
| 22:52.36 | dan2003 | ok, no, it must have been a coincidence, ill look into the new format thing |
| 22:52.58 | dan2003 | sorry what is zsi ? |
| 22:53.25 | ljp | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 22:53.45 | dan2003 | oh, ok i have that bookmarked, cheers |
| 22:55.05 | CAMCAM | Hello everyone |
| 22:55.11 | CAMCAM | Can someone help me please. |
| 22:55.35 | CAMCAM | My Z760 doesn't want to wake up |
| 22:55.46 | CAMCAM | I used Calko rom (X11 version) |
| 22:56.05 | CAMCAM | I simply type 'halt' |
| 22:56.17 | CAMCAM | it halts but... doesn't want to wake up any more |
| 22:56.47 | dan2003 | if halt does what it sounds lik im not suprised! |
| 22:57.02 | dan2003 | try removnig all power and then turning it on again |
| 22:57.21 | CAMCAM | nothing. I already tried |
| 22:57.29 | dan2003 | hmm |
| 22:57.41 | dan2003 | can u get the flash menu up? |
| 22:57.50 | CAMCAM | I tryed also remove / add / plug power / ... |
| 22:58.05 | CAMCAM | nothing |
| 22:58.07 | CAMCAM | nothing on screen |
| 22:58.35 | CAMCAM | only the led for charging is showing ;| |
| 22:58.43 | CAMCAM | brick ? I hope not |
| 22:58.45 | dan2003 | i would stay calm! disconect power and remove batt, leave for a while and try again |
| 22:59.05 | CAMCAM | I will try this |
| 22:59.09 | CAMCAM | I don't see any other solution |
| 23:00.05 | CAMCAM | There's not a hidden manipulation that could force a king of hard reset ? |
| 23:00.20 | dan2003 | not that i know of |
| 23:00.35 | CAMCAM | :[ |
| 23:15.35 | CAMCAM | ok. |
| 23:16.35 | CAMCAM | apparently, problem of battery. Completely discharged. The Z didn't want to wake up, although it was plugged in to external power supply |
| 23:17.05 | CAMCAM | flashed back to my rom ;) |
| 23:25.29 | *** join/#zaurus linux-c (~aaa@213.233.105.250) |
| 23:25.50 | linux-c | hi! |
| 23:26.14 | linux-c | it's better to use irda instead serial port for a simple comunication? |
| 23:26.37 | linux-c | is faster? is easy? |
| 23:28.45 | *** join/#zaurus mewyn (ezb@zelda.tuxnami.org) |
| 23:29.52 | linux-c | nobody? |
| 23:30.29 | absentia | re |
| 23:30.41 | absentia | camcam: did you take out your battery and unplug the device? |
| 23:30.57 | absentia | Id's say it's easier |
| 23:31.00 | absentia | of course, wifi is even easier |
| 23:31.11 | absentia | I've only used irda to xfer files from my 700 to my 760 |
| 23:31.26 | linux-c | how faster is? |
| 23:31.32 | absentia | I can't tell the difference |
| 23:31.42 | absentia | also, like you said, if the battery is fully discharged, it won't boot |
| 23:31.49 | absentia | you need like 2% or 5% or somethng. |
| 23:31.55 | absentia | yes, I've seen it not charge, even when plugged in |
| 23:32.11 | linux-c | thx absentia |
| 23:32.13 | absentia | I also have 3 batteries, and I've one the same and replced batteries and it still didn't boot (why? the other battery didn't charge!) . |
| 23:32.18 | absentia | np |
| 23:37.41 | *** join/#zaurus bobbyd (~none@cpc2-broo3-3-0-cust181.renf.cable.ntl.com) |
| 23:37.46 | bobbyd | hi |
| 23:38.09 | absentia | hi |
| 23:38.29 | bobbyd | anyone know why I wouldn't be getting any usb messages when I plug my zaurus into my usb hub? (I have a 2.6 kernel and have loaded usbnet) |
| 23:38.43 | bobbyd | all my other usb devices generate messages in syslog |
| 23:39.16 | absentia | no idea |
| 23:39.17 | absentia | sorry |
| 23:57.08 | dan2003 | i still having trouble with ipkg |
| 23:57.14 | dan2003 | cant install anything |
| 23:57.21 | absentia | which rom ? |
| 23:57.23 | dan2003 | i lie, i manged to install kino2 |
| 23:57.37 | dan2003 | but i manually downlaode that. |
| 23:57.40 | dan2003 | 2 secs |
| 23:57.49 | dan2003 | slc7x0upd1.18.en.zip |
| 23:57.54 | dan2003 | i sthe rom i used |
| 23:58.24 | dan2003 | <PROTECTED> |
