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| 00:07.24 | gerrynjr | kergoth> it seems the problem is on the zaurus side |
| 00:07.32 | gerrynjr | it randomly drops the connection |
| 00:08.12 | kergoth | okay, i'm not your personal support person |
| 00:08.16 | kergoth | direct questions to the channel, not me |
| 00:08.21 | kergoth | i have shit to do i'm being paid to do |
| 00:08.32 | gerrynjr | sorry... |
| 00:08.39 | gerrynjr | I just figured you released it, you'd want reports |
| 00:08.51 | kergoth | i get hundreds of reports |
| 00:08.57 | kergoth | 99% are user error |
| 00:09.10 | kergoth | and that estimate is probably conservative |
| 00:09.18 | treke|laptop | reporting things on irc is a good way to get ignored, if you think it's a bug, put it in the bug tracker |
| 00:09.46 | MG_Tak | gerrynjr: you using WEPor anything like it? |
| 00:09.58 | gerrynjr | MG_Tak> usb |
| 00:10.07 | MG_Tak | gerrynjr: just noticed that |
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| 01:56.44 | gerrynjr | I niked my ipkg db |
| 01:56.45 | gerrynjr | woohoo |
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| 01:56.52 | gerrynjr | nuked |
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| 02:08.02 | rev | yo yo |
| 02:08.03 | rev | man |
| 02:08.07 | treke|ho1e | yo |
| 02:08.10 | rev | how great ca nit be |
| 02:08.13 | rev | ircing |
| 02:08.15 | rev | on a PDA |
| 02:08.17 | rev | from within emacs |
| 02:08.19 | rev | WOO |
| 02:08.20 | rev | heh |
| 02:08.23 | rev | +P |
| 02:08.25 | treke|ho1e | sick |
| 02:08.26 | rev | er :P |
| 02:08.34 | W8TVI | lol |
| 02:08.39 | rev | whacky .jp punctuaton placement |
| 02:10.53 | rev | so |
| 02:10.55 | rev | sup with you kids? |
| 02:17.23 | rev | i wonder if japanese uses a ot of punctuation |
| 02:18.03 | rev | there are non-shift keys for [ ] : \ ^ \ - / |
| 02:18.18 | rev | anyone know why the backslash key in japanese maps to a yen sign? |
| 02:18.26 | rev | i have esen this various places, really seems goofy |
| 02:27.22 | offroadgeek | anyone familiar with bitchx? |
| 02:45.05 | rev | nope |
| 02:45.06 | rev | alas |
| 02:52.18 | treke|ho1e | I know it enough to know irssi is better |
| 02:54.38 | offroadgeek | really? I'll have to look that one up |
| 02:55.20 | offroadgeek | I'm just looking for anything to use via terminal from work |
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| 03:18.34 | W8TVI | hey offroadgeek |
| 03:18.46 | W8TVI | what you want to know about it? |
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| 03:40.11 | offroadgeek | hey w8... actually I figured it out... now I can't seem to get irssi setup on my suse box... |
| 03:41.45 | W8TVI | yeah? |
| 03:41.47 | W8TVI | sl-5000 styli suck |
| 03:42.02 | offroadgeek | I think all zaurii styli suck |
| 03:42.42 | W8TVI | true |
| 03:42.49 | W8TVI | but the 5000 one sucks more |
| 03:42.51 | offroadgeek | I keep meaning to buy some tungstun stylii... just keep forgetting |
| 03:43.03 | offroadgeek | it it totally plasic? |
| 03:43.14 | W8TVI | yep |
| 03:43.23 | offroadgeek | the one that comes with the 7x0 is totally plastic... |
| 03:43.35 | offroadgeek | at least the 5500 has a metal barrel.... cheap bastards |
| 03:43.45 | W8TVI | I like my papermate PhD multi |
| 03:44.24 | offroadgeek | those are nice too... I have a silver space pen, and one tip is a stylus tip... |
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| 04:44.51 | Reddog-[Away] | hmm |
| 04:56.17 | offroadgeek | hmm |
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| 09:49.24 | dj-submerge | hi folks |
| 09:50.15 | dj-submerge | I wanted to install zsafe on my openzaurus 3.2 + Opie 1.0.2 zaurus but i'm always getting ipkg: invalid magic. any hints ? |
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| 11:47.36 | mountainman | I haven't found a custom ROM I'm happy with. I'm thinking of building a custom ROM with the apps I want (web, e-mail, ssh, MPEG, image viewer, patience). I can get to grips with the adding/removing programs but I wondered how easy it is to change the RAM:RAMDISK ratio from the Sharp 3.1 starting point. |
| 11:48.32 | mountainman | It's almost lunchtime here :-) |
| 11:49.12 | Twiun | mountainman: the ratio can only be modified by recompiling the kernel |
| 11:49.23 | Twiun | mountainman: so get Sharp's sdk and do just that ;) |
| 11:51.03 | MG_Tak | teehee |
| 11:51.36 | MG_Tak | actually it's an m4p file, whatever that is |
| 11:52.34 | Twiun | mpeg4 I imagine |
| 11:52.39 | mountainman | Buying music over the internet! Next you'll be asking to pay for you dial up connection. Won't be long until you even consider switching back to 16bit OS |
| 11:54.08 | MG_Tak | mountainman: shut up |
| 11:54.48 | mountainman | I think I'll give recompiling the kernel a miss for a bit. I'll stick to the simpler customisations. |
| 11:55.16 | mountainman | How much are they? 99cents? |
| 11:55.23 | MG_Tak | yep |
| 11:55.40 | mountainman | Can you only get singles or do they have whole albums? |
| 11:55.47 | MG_Tak | they have whole albums too |
| 11:56.03 | MG_Tak | but in this case, I use it for the things where I want just one song because the artist's too horrible to put out even 3 good songs :) |
| 11:56.03 | mountainman | Does that make them more expensive than buying the album from Amazon or similar? |
| 11:56.13 | MG_Tak | I think it's just the same. |
| 11:56.28 | MG_Tak | I just registered last night and went to the music store about 15 minutes ago.. :) |
| 11:57.10 | mountainman | We don't get iTunes access in the UK. Is there any DRM in the download? |
| 11:58.04 | MG_Tak | DRM? |
| 11:58.40 | mountainman | Digital Rights Management - the songs only play back in a proprietry player or have been encoded someway to prevent burning to CD or redistribution. |
| 11:59.50 | MG_Tak | mm |
| 11:59.51 | mountainman | Methods like these can screw up Linux users. You end up needing "illegal" decryption software for legal use of your downloads/DVDs - like the whole DeCSS thing. |
| 11:59.58 | MG_Tak | this lets you burn CDs but I've never try. |
| 12:01.06 | mountainman | Do you use you Zaurus as an MP3 player, in which case what bitrate do you go for? |
| 12:03.17 | mountainman | By desktop MP3 player, do you mean your desktop computer or do you mean use your zaurus as an IR remote? |
| 12:03.52 | MG_Tak | desktop computer |
| 12:04.04 | MG_Tak | basically, use the Z as a TCP remote over WiFi |
| 12:04.23 | MG_Tak | I need some sort of streaming, remotecontrollable mp3 player or something. |
| 12:04.29 | MG_Tak | and then I need to write a Z app for it. |
| 12:06.58 | mountainman | When the going gets tough, I resort to Perl. How about an MP3 library (say for XMMS, bound to be one) and reading from a buffer file which the zaurus could write to by TCP when you press a button. |
| 12:08.10 | MG_Tak | Something or another. |
| 12:08.35 | mountainman | Is it possible to remove the Personal and Business Categories from the Calendar? |
| 12:11.27 | MG_Tak | Never used calendar actually, so far. |
| 12:12.41 | mountainman | I thought it was bit crap, and was planning to write my own - my life is simpler than the calendar is made for. But, I've had a poke around and found a layout I like and I've found the Repeat option which I need for B/Days etc. Not I've started to use it I'd like to customise it a bit. |
| 12:13.37 | mountainman | Has anyone tried out any of the non-Free software? |
| 12:13.47 | MG_Tak | and tkcMail |
| 12:17.25 | mountainman | tkcEditor looks good, I haven't seen any other syntax highlighting editors for the Zaurus. |
| 12:18.34 | MG_Tak | Later. |
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| 13:36.24 | darmou | Hi all |
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| 14:06.26 | absentia | morn' |
| 14:06.32 | absentia | what's NEW in the world of zaurus ?! |
| 14:09.02 | absentia | wow! |
| 14:09.12 | absentia | that's great, no, that's amazing! |
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| 14:24.33 | gerrynjr | hmm, is it normal to have only 15 megs of storage for apps? |
| 14:25.31 | mutexer | thats why they make Compact Flash cards |
| 14:25.44 | gerrynjr | yeah.. i figured that |
| 14:26.05 | gerrynjr | I could only fit an sdl install, ztiemu, the ztiemu rom, and kbill, konqueror |
| 14:26.06 | gerrynjr | on there |
| 14:28.22 | absentia | yes, depending on your device and os |
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| 15:04.19 | gerrynjr | W8TVI, woohoo! |
| 15:04.39 | gerrynjr | W8TVI, you there? |
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| 16:04.25 | George- | tux_mike: are you the guy that had the new alu 15" powerbook? |
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| 16:44.58 | serialpinguin | Hello #zaurus |
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| 17:49.27 | absentia | re |
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| 17:58.38 | absentia | re |
| 18:00.04 | MYodaWork | Does anybody know what the restrictions are on SD cards and the zaurus sl-5600? |
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| 18:02.51 | MYodaWork | Does anybody here have Zaurus SL-5600? |
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| 18:18.14 | blitzrage_ | hrm.. I remember before I had to change a file somewhere on my SL5500 to allow incoming network connections... anyone remember where that is? I don't have a hosts.allow file in /etc/ running thekompany.rom |
| 18:21.18 | drewp | blitzrage_: what sort of connections? are you talking about inetd.conf? |
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| 18:25.09 | blitzrage_ | drewp: well I have my zaurus connected to a WinXP box via the USB cradle... and I can't seem to sync, connect etc.. and I think I remember the problem being before that I had to allow incoming connections somewhere |
| 18:26.30 | drewp | blitzrage_: not sure. i got my new z networking with my linux box recently, but i don't care about syncing (with "official" sync software), so our issues are probably pretty different |
| 18:27.10 | blitzrage_ | drewp: no.. I don't think they are :) I just need to know how to allow the zaurus to allow incoming connections.. no matter whether they are for FTP, SSH, syncing etc.. :) |
| 18:27.58 | drewp | blitzrage_: it allows ftp and sync by default, given certain conditions about the network setup, i thik |
| 18:30.05 | blitzrage_ | hrm... unfortunately I don't see an IP address for the zaurus on my WinXP machine.. but I do see it's connected... but 0.0.0.0 |
| 18:30.20 | blitzrage_ | what ROM are you using? |
| 18:33.03 | gerrynjr | am i suposed to only have 15 meg of storage? |
| 18:33.17 | gerrynjr | I thought I used the 32-32 split... |
| 18:34.19 | djk | Is there a doc on how to configure qtopia and the USB to the Z on Linux desktop? |
| 18:34.33 | gerrynjr | djk, I wouldn't do that |
| 18:34.40 | gerrynjr | with my Z, the connection kept falling out |
| 18:34.46 | drewp | djk: i was able to get networked with my linux box. i'm not sure what 'linux desktop' means |
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| 18:38.24 | khelek | hello.... |
| 18:39.13 | khelek | I recently got a sl-5600 to play with...and I've tried to find some docs on ipkg package repos and haven't had any luck. Could someone please let me know of a doc that has that information? |
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| 18:49.00 | djk | drewp: using the USB dockstation? |
| 18:50.45 | drewp | yes |
| 18:50.59 | drewp | i hope to do wifi as well, with a usb wifi thing for the desktop and a CF one in the z |
| 18:53.02 | djk | drewp: you have a how-to on configure the linux box to use the USB? |
| 18:53.21 | drewp | i used a few from the web, plus some pain of my own, which i should document |
| 18:54.04 | djk | can you point me to the web ones? |
| 18:54.22 | drewp | http://www.ruault.com/Zaurus/ethernet-over-usb-howto.html#2.4.21 |
| 18:54.57 | drewp | i got a new enough kernel that has usbnet |
| 18:55.22 | drewp | and i use dhcp isntead of static, although i'm not sure if i have to, now that i got a terminal on the z and i can adjust whatever i want |
| 18:55.34 | drewp | by now i can ssh and rsync things around |
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| 18:57.42 | fliplap | i just use the 2.6.0 test kernels |
| 18:58.17 | fliplap | i'm actually going to need to setup sync'n on my Z now, the new job requires a lot of scheduling |
| 19:03.06 | Twiun | one way backup for those going to a saner environment? |
| 19:03.35 | absentia | ipkg repos? |
| 19:03.39 | absentia | what do you mean ? |
| 19:03.42 | absentia | feeds? |
| 19:04.14 | Disconnect | Twiun: method of getting addresses, etc out of the PIM apps on the newer sharp roms. someone else can extend it to get them back in ;) but that'd at least allow the existing, working sync apps to run. |
| 19:09.09 | MYodaWork | Hello :) |
| 19:09.33 | MYodaWork | Do you guys know if I can just get an off the shelf SD card to work with my SL-5600? |
| 19:09.59 | MYodaWork | The reason I ask is because I've heard that the secure stuff is propriatery |
| 19:10.15 | treke|laptop | as is the driver for the sd card |
| 19:10.27 | MYodaWork | hmm |
| 19:10.39 | MYodaWork | so I'm stuck with just using the CF slot then? |
| 19:10.56 | absentia | sd/mmc ya.. works fine.... |
| 19:11.09 | treke|laptop | MYodaWork: urm, why would it have an sd slot if it didnt work? |
| 19:11.10 | MYodaWork | absentia: what is the mmc mean? |
| 19:11.19 | absentia | and sandisk (??) 128mb cfs |
| 19:11.20 | MYodaWork | I was thiniking the same thing |
| 19:11.42 | absentia | I don't know about sdio... etc.... my "secure digital" device... "sd" ... from lexar... works fine. |
| 19:11.58 | blacK^Imprint | I've just flashed my new Zaurus with the 3.1.3 Sharp ROM, and now the pickboard and keyboard don't seem to predict words any more. Do I need to install a dictionary file or something like that? |
| 19:12.07 | absentia | well, I should qualify that... it works.... and works as well as the os supports it, and it does work. There have been some issues with some kernels and sustained/heavy writes. |
| 19:12.38 | MYodaWork | absentia: thx.. I guess I'll go ahead and order the 512M sd card then :) |
| 19:12.53 | absentia | which make? |
| 19:13.01 | MYodaWork | I think its sandisk |
| 19:13.04 | absentia | ok |
| 19:13.09 | MYodaWork | that will work? |
| 19:13.09 | absentia | I've heard to avoid sandisk like the plague |
| 19:13.15 | MYodaWork | ouch |
| 19:13.23 | absentia | try searching some of the forums for some comments on sd and sandisk |
| 19:13.26 | MYodaWork | can you recomment a specific brand? |
| 19:13.43 | treke|laptop | it may work fine now |
| 19:13.45 | absentia | no |
| 19:14.00 | MYodaWork | Ok.. thx for the info :) |
| 19:14.10 | absentia | I have lexar... mine seems to be ok, other than the OS level irritants... which I hope will be cleared with oz, and other stuff. |
| 19:14.41 | MYodaWork | Ok.. guess I better do some more research then |
| 19:14.45 | treke|laptop | absentia: the sd bugs will still be there in OpenZaurus |
| 19:14.50 | treke|laptop | absentia: it's the same driver |
| 19:15.32 | MYodaWork | Oh.. one more thing guys.. which would be a better choice.. OpenZaurus, or theKopany roms? |
| 19:18.05 | Luke-Jr | Does anyone else think 3 pages of size 10 times font is insanely long? |
| 19:18.21 | absentia | treke: ok |
| 19:18.34 | absentia | treke: I remembered pounding on the sd on my 700 and not seeing all the issues that people talked about |
| 19:18.51 | absentia | but when I used the sd under sash rom on the 760, I got a lot of fs going unstable, etc. |
| 19:19.14 | absentia | is there a theKompany rom for 700/760 ? |
| 19:23.08 | treke|laptop | not that I've seen |
| 19:35.00 | Disconnect | anyone know how to speed up irobex? its dog slow and I'm not sure why (in theory its 115k, right?) |
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| 23:12.17 | gerrynjr | hmm, I need a 16 meg compactflash |
| 23:12.23 | treke|laptop | 32mb |
| 23:24.58 | gerrynjr | 32? |
| 23:24.58 | treke|laptop | yes |
| 23:24.58 | gerrynjr | hmm, some extracting must go on in the cf then |
| 23:24.58 | treke|laptop | ? |
| 23:24.58 | gerrynjr | I just looked at the files... |
| 23:24.58 | gerrynjr | initrd=14 meg |
| 23:24.58 | gerrynjr | and the kernel is about another meg |
| 23:24.58 | treke|laptop | the initrd could become bigger |
| 23:24.59 | treke|laptop | besides, 32mb cards are probably the smallest youc an easilly find |
| 23:25.00 | gerrynjr | sandisk is considered to be junk.. so I guess cheapo flash is out |
| 23:25.00 | treke|laptop | since when is sandisk junk? |
| 23:25.00 | gerrynjr | I was reading that... |
| 23:25.00 | gerrynjr | on the #openzaurus channel |
| 23:25.00 | gerrynjr | that people have issues w/ that CF. random curruption of data, etc. |
| 23:25.00 | gerrynjr | supposedly, it's made cheaply |
| 23:25.00 | treke|laptop | and your buying it for the purpose of flashing |
| 23:25.01 | gerrynjr | true... |
| 23:25.01 | gerrynjr | so I won't be writing to it often |
| 23:25.02 | gerrynjr | any risks of completely frying the box when i reflash? |
| 23:25.02 | treke|laptop | not with the openzaurus images |
| 23:25.02 | gerrynjr | so... cool OZ is the safest route |
| 23:25.04 | W8TVI | gerrynjr: I got a 256mb cf for $45 |
| 23:25.04 | W8TVI | at sams club |
| 23:25.07 | gerrynjr | W8TVI> nice |
| 23:25.07 | gerrynjr | W8TVI> you ever have this issue? |
| 23:26.47 | W8TVI | no |
| 23:28.09 | gerrynjr | maybe I should ask offroadgeek|zzz |
| 23:29.48 | W8TVI | gerrynjr: what wifi card are you getting? |
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| 23:32.38 | gerrynjr | W8TVI> dlink or netgear |
| 23:33.32 | gerrynjr | my dad has had good luck w/ netgear... |
| 23:33.36 | W8TVI | belh |
| 23:33.48 | W8TVI | I have had BAD luck and alot of other people |
| 23:33.59 | W8TVI | I'd try the ambicom |
| 23:34.07 | gerrynjr | too expensive |
| 23:34.43 | W8TVI | you get what you pay for |
| 23:34.56 | gerrynjr | W8TVI> I have a very limited budget... and, I need to get a cf card _and_ a wireless card |
| 23:34.59 | gerrynjr | i've seen the dlink work.. |
| 23:35.06 | gerrynjr | so, i'm going by experience |
| 23:35.25 | gerrynjr | unless.... |
| 23:35.32 | gerrynjr | does the ambicom let me change the mac? |
| 23:35.42 | W8TVI | I'm not sure... |
| 23:35.46 | W8TVI | never tryed |
| 23:36.03 | gerrynjr | well.. I think that's a method the uni uses for authentication... |
| 23:36.07 | gerrynjr | not sure |
| 23:36.19 | gerrynjr | (i'll be cracking wep on monday) |
| 23:36.35 | gerrynjr | they use avaya cards |
| 23:46.55 | MG_Tak | Luke-Jr: so hit the light button |
| 23:47.22 | Luke-Jr | MG_Tak: where |
| 23:47.35 | MG_Tak | what model? |
| 23:47.40 | Luke-Jr | C760 |
| 23:47.45 | MG_Tak | ah |
| 23:47.46 | MG_Tak | donno then |
| 23:47.51 | Luke-Jr | >.> |
| 23:48.18 | MG_Tak | on the 5600 there's a small light-bulb icon near a button that you can press for a couple of seconds to turn the light off |
| 23:48.26 | Disconnect | Luke-Jr: there is a taskbar applet that lets you toggle it on and off |
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| 23:48.38 | Disconnect | zsi has it. works fine for me, although suspend/resume resets it |
| 23:48.57 | Luke-Jr | Disconnect: zsi? |
| 23:49.10 | Disconnect | ibot: zsi |
| 23:49.34 | Disconnect | erm. well. thats not quite what I meant but it'll work. |
| 23:49.44 | Luke-Jr | Disconnect: no simple command? |
| 23:50.24 | Disconnect | not afaik. I'm sure its software controllable. but I doubt there is a command on the thing (except for the fn-3 fn-4 shortcuts) |
| 23:51.17 | Luke-Jr | not dimmed |
| 23:51.55 | Disconnect | ah. doubt its doable. close the clamshell, that does it (at least on sharp/cacko rom) |
| 23:52.06 | Disconnect | (its not a reflective screen - no backlight == no screen.) |
| 23:52.48 | Luke-Jr | why not? @.@ |
| 23:53.02 | treke|laptop | that is the way the screen works. |
| 23:53.38 | Luke-Jr | ... it's impossible to see the screen in sunlight then? |
| 23:53.42 | treke|laptop | no. |
| 23:53.52 | Luke-Jr | because it sure isn't possible with the light on... |
| 23:54.21 | Disconnect | thats one of the things I like about the 6000 specs - same style/quality display, but its reflective. |
| 23:54.40 | treke|laptop | Luke-Jr: the stronger the sunlight the harder it will be to read |
| 23:54.53 | treke|laptop | Luke-Jr: at max backlight it is usually somewhat readable though |
| 23:55.06 | Luke-Jr | Disconnect: but there's no clamshell :( |
| 23:55.54 | treke|laptop | except for the one about the color |
| 23:55.58 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 23:56.00 | mickeyl | champagne |
| 23:56.01 | Luke-Jr | what color? |
| 23:56.17 | treke|laptop | mickeyl: sharp sounds dead set on making these things as ugly as possible |
| 23:56.20 | mickeyl | but then again... everything is better than my black cover... |
| 23:56.21 | Luke-Jr | will 6000 at least have a battery monitor? =p |
| 23:56.22 | Disconnect | huh? fold it closed so the screen faces the keyboard. (to turn off light but leave the device running - for playing mp3s, etc) .. for using the keyboard with the light off afaik its not possible. |
| 23:56.36 | Luke-Jr | treke|laptop: I like the case color... |
| 23:56.48 | treke|laptop | Luke-Jr: you don't have a c750 |
| 23:56.51 | mickeyl | battery monitor? with a decent kernel, battery reporting is ok |
| 23:56.57 | Luke-Jr | treke|laptop: so? |
| 23:57.09 | treke|laptop | the c750 is butt ugly. |
| 23:57.20 | Luke-Jr | mickeyl: if the hardware doesn't report... o.o |
| 23:57.31 | mickeyl | true. |
| 23:57.33 | Luke-Jr | Disconnect: ?? |
| 23:57.45 | Luke-Jr | treke|laptop: 750 diff color? |
| 23:57.54 | fliplap | around the screen is black |
| 23:58.06 | Disconnect | Luke-Jr: the c760 is a clamshell - ie it opens/closes like a laptop. closing it (screen inwards) turns off the light to save power, but blocks the keyboard and display. |
| 23:58.09 | Luke-Jr | what's wrong w/ that? |
| 23:58.17 | Luke-Jr | Disconnect: so? |
| 23:58.22 | Luke-Jr | Disconnect: I like that |
| 23:58.40 | treke|laptop | Disconnect: I'm not catching where the problem is there |
| 23:58.45 | Luke-Jr | Disconnect: but I want a reflective display to save power and be visible at the same time |
| 23:59.13 | fliplap | the Sl-6000 is fucking enormous |
| 23:59.25 | Luke-Jr | fliplap: if it fits in my pocket and is clamshell, I'm happy |
| 23:59.27 | fliplap | um, no, not all LCDs are reflective |
| 23:59.36 | fliplap | Luke-Jr: um, its not clamshell |
| 23:59.36 | Luke-Jr | fliplap: I thought they were tho |
| 23:59.40 | Luke-Jr | I know |
| 23:59.45 | Luke-Jr | that's why I don't want 6000 |
| 23:59.52 | MG_Tak | fliplap: enormous? |