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| 00:04.11 | kergoth | hey raster |
| 00:04.20 | absentia | re |
| 00:04.39 | raster | kergoth: mooooooooooooooooonin! |
| 00:04.44 | kergoth | raster: how goes? |
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| 00:04.52 | raster | absentia: moonin |
| 00:04.59 | absentia | moo' |
| 00:05.14 | hardwire | whaT! |
| 00:05.34 | raster | kergoth: not too bad. we got linux booting here on a pc in 5 seconds... all the way to x :) |
| 00:05.44 | absentia | really? |
| 00:05.45 | absentia | what os ? |
| 00:06.03 | LonEagle | and what video card? |
| 00:06.10 | raster | absentia: linux |
| 00:06.12 | kergoth | raster: nice, howd ya pull that off, LinuxBIOS? |
| 00:06.19 | raster | LonEagle: millenium2 |
| 00:06.21 | fliplap | real big bootrom? |
| 00:06.24 | raster | nah |
| 00:06.26 | LonEagle | ahh |
| 00:06.26 | absentia | which flavor ? |
| 00:06.27 | raster | off disk |
| 00:06.30 | rev | yo kids |
| 00:06.31 | absentia | redhat 9 is slower than w2k |
| 00:06.37 | LonEagle | well that's gotta help. some video drivers are slow to init |
| 00:06.37 | raster | absentia: custom :) |
| 00:06.39 | absentia | I'm investigating replacement desktops for blows... at work |
| 00:06.42 | absentia | nice! |
| 00:06.49 | raster | nah |
| 00:06.58 | raster | no bootroms involved |
| 00:07.08 | raster | LonEagle: i know. radeon for example :) |
| 00:07.44 | raster | basically we've got a 6Mb initrd that contains all that x needs toi get up wiht 1 basic xlib client, and linux to boot. |
| 00:07.50 | raster | the kernel is stipped down as all hell |
| 00:08.15 | raster | and the ide probing is disabled and has its init params passed to it on the kernel param line |
| 00:08.37 | raster | theres a custon replacement for init that just spawns what we want and remounts the initrd as rw |
| 00:08.45 | absentia | this is for what use? |
| 00:08.52 | raster | the trick was 1. use initrd. |
| 00:09.03 | raster | 2. replace scritps with code to avoid having to load a shell & interpret |
| 00:09.14 | raster | 3. have nothing on the system and ld.so.cache is pre-propulated |
| 00:09.33 | raster | kernel needed some hacking to make it not panic when u tell it the drive info |
| 00:09.36 | LonEagle | raster: yeah |
| 00:09.49 | raster | the system has basically no libraires |
| 00:10.05 | raster | libc, libm, ld.so and thats about it (libpam for X etc.) |
| 00:10.09 | raster | libX11 and libXext |
| 00:10.10 | raster | thats it |
| 00:10.17 | raster | its stipped down mucho |
| 00:10.22 | raster | works tho |
| 00:10.24 | raster | thats good |
| 00:10.29 | raster | :) |
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| 00:12.07 | raster | i wonder how fast an ipaq/zaurus coudl boot if minimized... :) |
| 00:12.25 | kergoth | fast i'm sure |
| 00:12.36 | kergoth | forking tons of shells is slow as shit on arm devices |
| 00:12.58 | absentia | instant on is good enough for me |
| 00:13.02 | absentia | I'm not worried 'bout boot time |
| 00:13.14 | absentia | I bought 64mb ram for a reason. |
| 00:13.46 | raster | kergoth: yeah. have thought about doing a new "init" for a long time. |
| 00:14.08 | kergoth | raster: you n me both man. sysvinit sucks. |
| 00:14.17 | raster | kergoth: spawingin shell after shell after shell, re-sorucing rc scripts, "coinfig" fiels that are shewll scritp ssetting up functions & variables |
| 00:14.23 | raster | kergoth: all tonnes of overhead u just dont need |
| 00:15.13 | raster | while i'm at it i shoudl add a gui o it too |
| 00:15.13 | raster | :) |
| 00:15.23 | raster | (optional) |
| 00:15.24 | raster | :) |
| 00:15.29 | kergoth | yay for gui init |
| 00:15.33 | kergoth | pertiness! |
| 00:15.44 | raster | heres my take |
| 00:16.02 | raster | u just list a bunch of services u want running on boot |
| 00:16.06 | raster | have different boot profiles |
| 00:16.12 | raster | so each profiel lists what u want running |
| 00:16.18 | raster | each service lists dependancies |
| 00:16.22 | raster | just like packages |
| 00:16.39 | raster | so almost all services list "file system" as a dependency |
| 00:16.45 | raster | youy dont have to explicitly state u want it |
| 00:16.52 | kergoth | not unlike gooch's need(8) based init then |
| 00:16.56 | raster | the init just traces the dependency tree |
| 00:17.06 | kergoth | service interdependency, with no 'runlevels', just profiles of what you want |
| 00:17.12 | raster | down and does the first steps - as fast as possible |
| 00:17.22 | raster | as a service comes alive its "children" get spawned |
| 00:17.25 | raster | yup |
| 00:17.30 | raster | just like need |
| 00:17.37 | raster | but not in shell - in config/code |
| 00:17.44 | raster | yup |
| 00:17.52 | raster | runlevel is just your boot profile |
| 00:17.56 | raster | ie "X" is a boto profile |
| 00:18.00 | raster | "console" is another |
| 00:18.05 | raster | "emergency" is a third |
| 00:18.13 | kergoth | not in shell.. so some form of simple config/service language |
| 00:18.15 | raster | you can choose which at boot |
| 00:18.20 | raster | and one of them is the default |
| 00:18.29 | raster | yup |
| 00:18.45 | raster | hopeflly tiny "config" files that are trivial and easy to parse |
| 00:18.48 | raster | to fidn the info |
| 00:19.02 | raster | either that or a master database |
| 00:19.07 | raster | that is the cache of these service files |
| 00:19.19 | raster | when u install a service file (new onw) u need to rebuild the cache |
| 00:19.32 | kergoth | cache would certainly speed up the parsing |
| 00:19.39 | raster | aaaah bugger |
| 00:19.41 | raster | meeting |
| 00:19.44 | raster | bbl |
| 00:19.56 | raster | (wish i had time to work on that init stuf now) |
| 00:19.57 | raster | :) |
| 00:20.06 | kergoth | hehe. have fun |
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| 00:45.48 | absentia | anyone here runvnc server under non oz rom? |
| 00:47.12 | absentia | hahahah |
| 00:47.25 | absentia | slashdot has a story about upcoming slackware release |
| 00:47.27 | absentia | and a review.. with lots of pics |
| 00:47.31 | absentia | check out the mail in this one |
| 00:47.34 | absentia | http://www.osnews.com/img/4637/slackware2.png |
| 00:48.52 | treke | os news reviewing slackware |
| 00:48.54 | treke | ha |
| 00:49.15 | absentia | and, of course.. the beos link |
| 00:49.20 | MG_Tak | evening folks |
| 00:49.21 | absentia | it has the guy ripping open his asshole |
| 00:49.23 | absentia | I opened that one at work |
| 00:50.00 | MG_Tak | that is a nice screenshot |
| 00:50.25 | absentia | anyone here run vncserver on non oz rom ? |
| 00:52.37 | stew_b | absentia: I do |
| 00:53.00 | absentia | where did you get the server? what do you see when you connect to the z ? the opie desktop ? |
| 00:53.08 | MG_Tak | absentia: yes |
| 00:53.27 | MG_Tak | absentia: I got the VNC server for the SharpROM |
| 00:53.38 | absentia | where? |
| 00:53.46 | MG_Tak | from the fbvnc website |
| 00:53.47 | fliplap | is that the one that specificly says it doesn't work with openzaurus? |
| 00:53.58 | absentia | ah, ok.. directly |
| 00:53.59 | absentia | I'll go there. |
| 00:54.10 | absentia | after I install all of mickeyl's python |
| 00:54.13 | absentia | I hope that works under sharp rom |
| 00:54.59 | stew_b | absentia: fbvncserver-sl5500_0.9.4_arm.ipk, I see the same thing I see using the machine directly |
| 00:55.17 | MG_Tak | http://sdgsystems.com/download.html |
| 00:55.19 | absentia | ok, nice. |
| 00:56.43 | absentia | thanks for the link! |
| 00:57.05 | fliplap | "Note: Do not try to install this package on OpenZaurus. See http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net for OpenZaurus packages." |
| 00:57.30 | absentia | yup |
| 00:57.55 | absentia | have you seen fbvnc .. from klaus ? |
| 01:01.43 | absentia | why does ipkg yell at me.. when it says the filename has changed from zlib_arm to zlib... please change back? |
| 01:01.48 | absentia | that's so god damn annoying. |
| 01:01.55 | absentia | if it knows there's a change.. why not just run ! |
| 01:03.08 | absentia | stew/mg: do you have a 700 or 760 ? that's what I have. |
| 01:03.24 | absentia | I hope this works. |
| 01:03.38 | MG_Tak | absentia: it always gives me issues in the beginning, though, when I install it |
| 01:03.48 | MG_Tak | like, at first, it wouldn't accept input in vnc |
| 01:04.00 | MG_Tak | then after a while, or me installing some other package I guess, it started working just fine |
| 01:04.16 | absentia | heheh |
| 01:04.16 | absentia | lovely. |
| 01:04.52 | stew_b | absentia: 5500 here |
| 01:14.41 | absentia | my zauros won't accept screen taps now |
| 01:15.05 | absentia | time to reflash |
| 01:15.08 | absentia | welcome to the world of zaurus |
| 01:15.43 | MG_Tak | eh |
| 01:15.47 | MG_Tak | welcome to the world of open source :) |
| 01:15.51 | minipanda | absentia : you are still using Sharp ROM? |
| 01:15.57 | absentia | sash rom |
| 01:16.05 | absentia | sukoshi kernel |
| 01:16.15 | absentia | I need to locate a replacement sharp rom for my 760 |
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| 01:23.22 | absentia | do you have to make a "packages" file to make a feed? or can ipkg/etc use just a dir ? |
| 01:23.45 | absentia | fuck |
| 01:23.53 | absentia | I reflashed and it STILL won't take screen taps |
| 01:24.10 | absentia | what the hell can I do now ? |
| 01:27.31 | absentia | does tkc have a rom for the 700/760 yet? |
| 01:29.12 | fliplap | maybe its broken |
| 01:29.34 | absentia | what'sw broken? my 760? ... only if I broke it :-) |
| 01:29.41 | fliplap | like i said |
| 01:29.56 | absentia | I just did option 3.... in the flash menu... whatver that is (reset ram?) |
| 01:29.59 | absentia | andnow it's tapping again. |
| 01:30.25 | absentia | I need to automate re-installing software after each flash :-) |
| 01:31.21 | emme | absentia: which roms did you try on your c760? |
| 01:31.39 | absentia | I only have sash rom now |
| 01:31.44 | absentia | I can't find a replacement sharp rom |
| 01:31.47 | absentia | and i don't know of any others. |
| 01:31.50 | absentia | oh, I tried oz.. sorry. |
| 01:32.03 | ljp | oz no workie? |
| 01:32.24 | absentia | it has progressed a long way since I last looged at it |
| 01:32.34 | absentia | but it's just not usable... yet. |
| 01:33.39 | absentia | just my opinion. |
| 01:33.46 | ChipX86 | treke: ping |
| 01:33.48 | absentia | sash's rom has netfront *and* opera... |
| 01:34.00 | absentia | and I can save files via the web browser (you can't with konq under oz!) |
| 01:34.24 | absentia | I will experiment with my 700 .... |
| 01:34.38 | absentia | after I get my 760 to where I can dev on it. |
| 01:34.57 | absentia | I was hoping that the vnc would help me speed things up... but it whacked the machine. I'll try another version. :-) |
| 01:35.58 | MG_Tak | ChipX86: pong |
| 01:36.12 | ChipX86 | hmm.. routing issues. |
| 01:38.00 | absentia | I got to the point where I was liking nethack on the 700 ... |
| 01:38.11 | absentia | and my wife likes the mahjongg, I still have to write a new/better version for her... |
| 01:38.14 | absentia | she plays that before bed |
| 01:38.17 | absentia | I like to play a little nethack |
| 01:38.37 | absentia | and I kept destroying the 700.... .. leaving it in an unusable state. |
| 01:38.54 | absentia | what do you guys use your zaurus for ? |
| 01:41.21 | MG_Tak | pda |
| 01:41.35 | absentia | is it really usable as/for a pda? |
| 01:41.50 | absentia | what pda/pim app do you use most? |
| 01:43.43 | absentia | sunone... nice |
| 01:43.55 | MG_Tak | and before I can do that, I need to get FreeSWAN 2 programs to compile for the Z :( |
| 01:44.43 | MG_Tak | though it's too bad there's no actual app to use aside from the web interface |
| 01:44.51 | MG_Tak | and reloading web pages for every change is a bit of a pain. |
| 01:45.58 | emme | MG_Tak, which zaurus do you own |
| 01:46.04 | MG_Tak | emme: 5600 |
| 01:46.24 | absentia | yup |
| 01:48.02 | absentia | I wonder what mickeyl means by oz1 oz2 and oz3 in his package names |
| 01:49.38 | ljp | I use my c700 with qtopia/oz for testing |
| 01:50.34 | absentia | testing what ? |
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| 01:53.38 | ljp | testing qtopia |
| 01:53.56 | ljp | and others here use it to show qtopia off |
| 01:56.02 | ljp | only problems with it currently are that wep doesn't work for whatever reason, and time is reset on reboot |
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| 02:11.25 | absentia | with sharp rom.. and the package installer... the install packages from networks |
| 02:11.28 | absentia | how do you tell it where to go? |
| 02:11.52 | absentia | the light switch? |
| 02:11.54 | absentia | hmm |
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| 02:13.19 | raster | hem |
| 02:13.23 | raster | meh |
| 02:13.27 | absentia | blah |
| 02:13.28 | absentia | useless |
| 02:14.21 | raster | ooooooooooselessssssssss |
| 02:14.45 | ChipX86 | oseles? |
| 02:15.34 | raster | ChipX86: jah. comlpetely ooooosleeeeeeeeessssssssss |
| 02:21.18 | absentia | what are some good apps... favorite apps... that I should take a look at. |
| 02:22.59 | treke|home | e17 |
| 02:23.03 | treke|home | hint hint |
| 02:23.08 | absentia | e17? |
| 02:23.12 | kergoth | mmm e17 |
| 02:23.13 | kergoth | so perty |
| 02:23.19 | raster | hahahahahah |
| 02:23.28 | treke|home | althought it's probably more like e19 now :p |
| 02:23.30 | fliplap | and so usable |
| 02:23.31 | absentia | ah, gaim! |
| 02:23.33 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:24.03 | fliplap | is enlightenment still being developed |
| 02:24.25 | absentia | don't think so |
| 02:25.01 | ChipX86 | treke|home: got those gnutls ipks still? :) |
| 02:25.31 | treke|home | I can build one soon |
| 02:25.37 | treke|home | I ought to put it into oe |
| 02:27.39 | treke|home | absentia: in theory it is |
| 02:27.52 | treke|home | seems be much like OZ, under major infrastructure work |
| 02:28.51 | ChipX86 | absentia: gaim sucks. Find a real IM client |
| 02:29.07 | treke|home | ChipX86: http://openzaurus.org/unofficial/experimental/husky/ipks/ |
| 02:29.22 | ChipX86 | thanks :) |
| 02:29.29 | kergoth | ~bitchslap libtool |
| 02:29.31 | | ACTION beats the sh*t out of libtool |
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| 02:49.36 | Luke-Jr | This Brando guy doesn't speak very good English, does he? =p |
| 02:50.23 | treke|home | his english seemed fine to me |
| 02:50.40 | treke|home | but he is from hong kong |
| 02:50.40 | kergoth | treke|home: this coming from someone used to chouimat-english |
| 02:50.43 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:50.46 | Luke-Jr | He asked me for my phone number in a reply to a message whcih included my phone number. |
| 02:51.21 | Luke-Jr | Chouimat? |
| 02:51.28 | kergoth | inside joke |
| 02:51.36 | Luke-Jr | oj |
| 02:51.37 | Luke-Jr | oh* |
| 02:54.05 | Luke-Jr | ChipX86: gaim sucks? What do you recommend? |
| 02:54.38 | Luke-Jr | nothing else I've seen lets you drag tabs around |
| 02:56.55 | treke|home | use kinkatta. much better than gaim |
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| 02:58.05 | Luke-Jr | Who else here has ordered from Brando? o.o |
| 02:59.10 | Luke-Jr | treke|home: Kinkatta doesn't even support the standard XMPP protocol... |
| 03:05.10 | ChipX86 | Luke-Jr: I'm a gaim devel. It was a joke |
| 03:05.38 | absentia | I'm tired of gathering things every couple of days when I kill my zaurus |
| 03:09.05 | absentia | I've seen one or two things that use libtool, but not auto* |
| 03:09.14 | kergoth | absentia: wrong chan :P |
| 03:15.52 | absentia | :[) |
| 03:16.52 | absentia | hmmm |
| 03:16.55 | absentia | dave mathews in central park |
| 03:17.00 | absentia | played for 3 hours. |
| 03:17.53 | absentia | the line was 16 to 20 blocks long |
| 03:17.54 | absentia | hahahaha |
| 03:18.06 | absentia | times square is insane for new years too |
| 03:18.13 | absentia | good thing I living inside the barracades. |
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| 03:37.29 | zabsentia | ok |
| 03:37.32 | absentia | ah |
| 03:37.42 | absentia | I added the channel and then highlighted it |
| 03:37.45 | absentia | and then hit multi chat. |
| 03:37.54 | absentia | maybe clicking onthe multi refs a null pointer somewhere |
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| 03:38.48 | absentia | damn |
| 03:38.50 | absentia | can't remove the chat |
| 03:38.56 | absentia | it's under buddies... |
| 03:39.00 | absentia | but I want to move it to a new group. |
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| 03:41.29 | absentia | test |
| 03:41.36 | absentia | ji |
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| 03:43.28 | absentia | chip: I also get 4 lines of text... in irc... and if I pop up the keyboard, I get 1 line... heheh... we need a font selector! :-> |
| 03:43.45 | ChipX86 | nod |
| 03:43.58 | ChipX86 | it's a young program. It needs a lot of things. |
| 03:44.17 | absentia | my mother was chatting to me.... and each of her im lines had 5 blank linesat the end... I had to scroll back so far... just to read. |
| 03:44.24 | absentia | it's still one of the best ones |
| 03:44.26 | ChipX86 | I'm the only guy working on it though, and I'm usually busy with gaim, GNUpdate, the station, and a few other things |
| 03:44.28 | absentia | best utility. |
| 03:44.28 | absentia | etc. |
| 03:44.35 | ChipX86 | thanks :) |
| 03:44.37 | absentia | yup |
| 03:44.47 | absentia | I'd rather have it as the way it si now, than not have it at all. |
| 03:44.48 | kergoth | it definately is. people were waiting for such an app for a long time |
| 03:45.22 | ChipX86 | I'm just glad it's finally possible to make.. I've spent hte last 10 months rewriting gaim's tree to make other front-ends a reality |
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| 04:07.03 | absentia | night |
| 04:07.10 | absentia | sync |
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| 04:10.15 | W8TVI | ChipX86, I dont have the room to install gaim on my zaurus |
| 04:10.29 | kergoth | W8TVI: buy media |
| 04:10.36 | ChipX86 | that's the beauty of CF and SD |
| 04:10.50 | W8TVI | that wont do me any good |
| 04:10.58 | ChipX86 | I can't shrink gaim |
| 04:11.14 | W8TVI | I've never been able to get anything to install to my SD card |
| 04:11.16 | fliplap | buying media won't do you any good? |
| 04:11.17 | ChipX86 | and I can't expand the internal memory of a Zaurus |
| 04:11.21 | kergoth | W8TVI: sounds like you're using sharp |
| 04:11.25 | kergoth | their external install stuff is crap |
| 04:11.27 | W8TVI | OZ 3.2 |
| 04:11.27 | ChipX86 | I run qpe-gaim on my SD |
| 04:11.36 | fliplap | i've got a 256meg sd card in my 5500 running OZ3.2 and it works fine |
| 04:11.36 | ChipX86 | it Just Worked (TM) |
| 04:11.47 | W8TVI | mine a 128mb card |
| 04:11.48 | fliplap | yeah, i run gaim from my sd card too |
| 04:12.09 | W8TVI | and it Just Didn't Worked (TM) |
| 04:12.12 | W8TVI | oops |
| 04:12.19 | W8TVI | and it Just Didn't Work (TM) |
| 04:12.44 | W8TVI | kergoth, you've walked me thrugh it before |
| 04:12.47 | W8TVI | didn |
| 04:12.51 | W8TVI | t work that time |
| 04:13.36 | kergoth | 3.2 can install any package to sd. period. |
| 04:13.43 | kergoth | any ipk can go wherever you want it. |
| 04:14.10 | zabsentia | hey |
| 04:14.22 | zabsentia | anyone have a link to buzzword bingo? |
| 04:15.35 | W8TVI | its in the opie feed |
| 04:15.39 | W8TVI | 1.0 |
| 04:15.48 | rev | anyone want to buy my 2 GB PCMCIA hard drive? |
| 04:16.05 | W8TVI | how much? |
| 04:16.18 | rev | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=51076&item=2755616188 |
| 04:16.25 | rev | auctioning it since no one wanted to buy it |
| 04:16.25 | rev | wow |
| 04:16.29 | rev | someone already bid on it |
| 04:16.30 | rev | heh |
| 04:16.34 | rev | i just posted it like an hr ago |
| 04:16.50 | W8TVI | lol |
| 04:17.09 | zabsentia | how much are those? Do they make any noise? |
| 04:17.23 | rev | you can find them for around $90 |
| 04:17.25 | zabsentia | one of the best things about the zaurus is the fact that it is silent. |
| 04:17.29 | treke|home | rev: why not just get an adapter for it |
| 04:17.30 | rev | they have a pretty quiet humming |
| 04:17.33 | zabsentia | ok |
| 04:17.35 | rev | because it is a hard drive internally |
| 04:17.40 | zabsentia | yup |
| 04:17.43 | zabsentia | too noisy |
| 04:17.43 | rev | nothing like a full hard drive |
| 04:17.51 | rev | if you've ever seen an ipod- like that |
| 04:17.54 | rev | same kind of drive |
| 04:18.10 | zabsentia | my wife just said "What the hell is that?" -- referring to my typing on the zaurus.... |
| 04:18.14 | W8TVI | so you going to add on $30 for shipping? ;) |
| 04:18.14 | zabsentia | says it's scary. |
| 04:18.21 | rev | $30 for shipping? |
| 04:18.22 | W8TVI | lol |
| 04:18.22 | rev | huh? |
| 04:18.53 | W8TVI | you didn't state your shipping |
| 04:19.07 | fliplap | my girlfriend was just like "Wow, you can play Mario on that! Lemme see!" |
| 04:19.07 | rev | you put in your zip into the calculate shipping thing |
| 04:19.08 | zabsentia | Is it significantly faster than CF ram? and SD? |
| 04:19.08 | kergoth | wtf, yahoo disconnects centericq |
| 04:19.08 | rev | and it tells you |
| 04:19.11 | rev | :P |
| 04:19.25 | rev | zabsentia: i'm not sure what speed is like compared to CF or SD- i'd guess similar |
| 04:19.28 | rev | but i've not checked |
| 04:19.31 | zabsentia | ok |
| 04:19.33 | W8TVI | d'oh |
| 04:19.35 | fliplap | zabsentia: its a lot cheaper |
| 04:19.39 | rev | it's always been fast enough that i never had the chance to wonder |
| 04:19.45 | fliplap | but its not going to be of much use for your zaurus |
| 04:19.55 | zabsentia | I feel the same about CF/SD |
| 04:19.58 | rev | yeah, a 2 GB CF-> $500, 2 GB PCMCIA -> ~$100 |
| 04:20.00 | fliplap | unless you want a pcmcia adapter hanging off |
| 04:20.04 | _Bala_ | anyone know how to get the tip of the stylus out of the stylus bay if it broke off?? |
| 04:20.17 | fliplap | _Bala_: gotta take the Z apart |
| 04:20.20 | fliplap | i had todo it |
| 04:20.23 | W8TVI | take the z apart, or get some long forceps |
| 04:20.28 | zabsentia | I thought there was an IBM microdrive that was CF? |
| 04:20.37 | W8TVI | zabsentia, there is |
| 04:20.38 | _Bala_ | you can take them apart?? |
| 04:20.39 | fliplap | there is, but rev's isn't one of em |
| 04:20.39 | W8TVI | 1gb |
| 04:20.39 | _Bala_ | cool |
| 04:20.40 | treke|home | yup |
| 04:20.40 | rev | yes there is |
| 04:20.46 | zabsentia | ok |
| 04:20.47 | rev | but those really don't make sense |
| 04:20.48 | rev | i mean |
| 04:20.57 | rev | CF has caught up and surpassed IBM's microdrive |
| 04:20.57 | _Bala_ | *looks for a small screwdriver* |
| 04:20.58 | treke|home | faster than CF |
| 04:20.58 | rev | for now at least |
| 04:21.16 | treke|home | rather signficantly faster |
| 04:21.27 | rev | the PCMCIA hd is faster? |
| 04:21.40 | treke|home | than a cf memory card? should be |
| 04:21.44 | W8TVI | well, up untill now there wasn't any way to get a 1gb cf card |
| 04:21.44 | rev | ah ok |
| 04:23.40 | zabsentia | hmmmm. I thought I got buzzword bingo fromt the latest zaurus fed.... but I don't see it now. |
| 04:23.59 | W8TVI | zabsentia, you can get it from the opie 1.0 feed |
| 04:24.00 | rev | there has been a 1 GB CF card for quite a while |
| 04:24.10 | zabsentia | aha!!! |
| 04:24.12 | _Bala_ | hmm dont think i have a philips head small enough :( |
| 04:24.24 | W8TVI | damn! |
| 04:24.28 | W8TVI | it ran! |
| 04:24.35 | zabsentia | but that probably wont run uder straight sharp rom, eh? |
| 04:24.37 | rev | woo |
| 04:25.00 | W8TVI | the old board in my 5500 must of had something wrong with it... |
| 04:25.02 | treke|home | rev: A microdrive should win out in situations where you are mostly concerned with write speed |
| 04:25.13 | rev | ahh ok |
| 04:25.28 | rev | if you're doing a lot of writing, a microdrive or PCMCIA HD would make more sense- they live a lot longer than flas |
| 04:25.29 | W8TVI | rev: and it wont wear out like the mem card would |
| 04:25.38 | rev | yeah |
| 04:25.40 | rev | totally |
| 04:25.47 | treke|home | yeah, it will probably wear out faster :) |
| 04:26.04 | zabsentia | hehehe |
| 04:26.05 | zabsentia | yup |
| 04:26.58 | rev | you think? |
| 04:27.38 | W8TVI | why would the harddrive wear out faster? |
| 04:28.09 | W8TVI | sure its easyer to break the HDD by droping it... |
| 04:28.45 | kergoth | W8TVI: mechanical devices always suffer from more wear. |
| 04:28.48 | kergoth | treke|home: exactly |
| 04:29.44 | W8TVI | but if your doing alot of writes to it (like I seem to do with my SD and CF cards) the HDD should have longer life |
| 04:29.53 | zabsentia | I love the fact that there are no moving parts in the zaurus.... |
| 04:30.03 | kergoth | W8TVI: you're missing the point. given the same amount of activity, the hdd will wear more |
| 04:30.06 | W8TVI | the keyboard |
| 04:30.09 | kergoth | dont compare apples & oranges |
| 04:30.40 | zabsentia | all my laptop hdds die....when I run them like a server ... |
| 04:30.55 | zabsentia | I want to run my zaurus as my primary server. |
| 04:31.19 | treke|home | back up often :) |
| 04:31.24 | zabsentia | i do |
| 04:31.54 | W8TVI | wow... $70 for a new P3 |
| 04:32.03 | zabsentia | but my cds are seeing up to 40% data loss |
| 04:32.06 | W8TVI | I paid $75 about a year ago |
| 04:32.20 | W8TVI | I prefer HDD as backup |
| 04:32.27 | W8TVI | that is 3 HDDS |
| 04:32.47 | W8TVI | I have 3 computers so I back things up to all 3 |
| 04:32.48 | zabsentia | I'm going to write a perl proggie that will checksum files with sliding data sizes so I can reconstruct data from partial and or corrupted files |
| 04:33.19 | zabsentia | I'm surprised that there isn't such a program available already |
| 04:35.10 | fliplap | thats odd, nothing will launch on my Z |
| 04:35.12 | W8TVI | cool, dual 1ghz P3/mobo combo for $455 |
| 04:36.29 | fliplap | all Opie apps are segfaulting |
| 04:40.35 | zabsentia | argh |
| 04:40.36 | fliplap | i get either segfault or bus error |
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| 04:40.43 | fliplap | anyone had this problem? |
| 04:40.51 | kergoth | fliplap: sounds like a lib got upgraded without upgrading the rest, or similar |
| 04:41.03 | zabsentia | opie irc not maintained by flipflap....prev released via zauruszone.com -- now links back to killefiz...hehe maze |
| 04:41.22 | fliplap | zabsentia: eh? |
| 04:41.31 | zabsentia | flip: I always kill my Z... my favorite is installing opie-remove |
| 04:41.38 | treke|home | killefiz.de needs to be shut down unless someone can maintain it :) |
| 04:41.50 | zabsentia | treke: amen |
| 04:41.54 | fliplap | it just needs to be automated |
| 04:41.55 | kergoth | zsi needs to be device agnostic |
| 04:42.04 | kergoth | fliplap: zfi was...feed based |
| 04:42.06 | treke|home | fliplap: automation would be worse |
| 04:42.09 | kergoth | we need zfi + a ranking system |
| 04:42.12 | fliplap | i don't post updates to opieirc because its a pain |
| 04:42.19 | fliplap | treke|home: like how freshmeat is |
| 04:42.25 | kergoth | or ipkgfind + ranking + additional metadata |
| 04:42.34 | zabsentia | and we lost software, like qboard |
| 04:42.54 | treke|home | fliplap: freshmeat works because everything is supposed to be there |
| 04:43.05 | zabsentia | yes... we need more than 1/2 para 'bout each |
| 04:43.05 | fliplap | i wonder if sambaserver installed something un-good |
| 04:43.14 | treke|home | fliplap: you do things the way freshmeat does it, pretty soon you'll have 100 wince apps in there |
| 04:43.21 | zabsentia | also need icons for native 640x480 ... and commercial, etc. |
| 04:43.23 | fliplap | good point |
| 04:43.28 | kergoth | treke|home: hmm, you know if anyone ever tested docwhat's samba packges? |
| 04:43.35 | treke|home | nope |
| 04:43.48 | treke|home | actualyl I take that back |
| 04:43.50 | treke|home | someone has |
| 04:43.58 | treke|home | since they were bitching that it isnt built anymore |
| 04:44.20 | kergoth | hmm |
| 04:44.21 | fliplap | uhg. looks like it didn't fully install, tho all the files are there and it runs, i just can't remove it |
| 04:44.22 | kergoth | wonder if they work |
| 04:44.44 | fliplap | it was the last thing i did before stuff stopped working, so i'm gonna say no |
| 04:45.07 | treke|home | I cant remember how I patched tximage for the c760 |
| 04:45.08 | kergoth | chomp chomp |
| 04:45.20 | treke|home | kergoth: bastard |
| 04:53.05 | zabsentia | any know? will mickey's python ipks work on sharp rom? |
| 04:53.22 | zabsentia | also, what does he mean with oz1, oz2 and oz3? |
| 04:53.43 | W8TVI | hey ChipX86 |
| 04:53.51 | ChipX86 | hi |
| 04:54.02 | W8TVI | how do I find out why one of my screen names isn't logging in? |
| 04:54.06 | W8TVI | yahoo |
| 04:54.40 | ChipX86 | everyone is having yahoo problems |
| 04:55.17 | W8TVI | they have licked the problem with |
| 04:55.23 | W8TVI | in trillian |
| 04:55.30 | ChipX86 | as have we |
| 04:55.38 | ChipX86 | ignore anything you ever see from any media source about IM. It's usually wrong |
| 04:55.53 | ChipX86 | Yahoo wasn't locking out 3rd party clients. All a client must do is increment the version number |
| 04:55.54 | treke|home | unless they call it a waste of time |
| 04:56.11 | W8TVI | well I got it from the techsupport forum |
| 04:56.12 | ChipX86 | maybe I can push out an early 0.3 bug-fix release |
| 04:56.18 | W8TVI | heh |
| 04:56.25 | zabsentia | cool |
| 04:56.38 | ChipX86 | we're working on the gaim 0.69 release at the moment |
| 04:57.34 | W8TVI | and could you make it so when I got all the account info entered and then I remeber that its a yahoo account and not a aim account, that it wont clear all the info I just entered? |
| 04:58.27 | ChipX86 | we can't cleanly |
| 04:58.37 | ChipX86 | each protocol defines those fields |
| 04:59.10 | W8TVI | grr |
| 05:01.08 | zabsentia | grrrr |
| 05:01.25 | zabsentia | can't seem to dl kismet fromt its dist site |
| 05:01.50 | W8TVI | ChipX86, is there problems with getting it to work with AIM? |
| 05:02.29 | ChipX86 | gconv-modules |
| 05:03.07 | W8TVI | I have gconv-tiny installed |
| 05:03.09 | kergoth | should probably make the locale, timezone, iconv, & gconv stuff more granular |
| 05:08.43 | W8TVI | ChipX86, do you know warren@togami.com? |
| 05:08.49 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 05:09.07 | W8TVI | I just IM'ed him on my zaurus |
| 05:09.14 | ChipX86 | cool |
| 05:09.16 | ChipX86 | say hi for me |
| 05:09.16 | W8TVI | didn't know who I was |
| 05:09.24 | ChipX86 | where'd you find him? |
| 05:09.33 | W8TVI | here I thougt |
| 05:09.51 | W8TVI | will he know who ChipX86 is? |
| 05:10.06 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 05:10.08 | W8TVI | k |
| 05:10.44 | W8TVI | Zadok: Chipx86 sasys hi |
| 05:11.07 | W8TVI | warren@togami.com: hi chipx86 |
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| 05:12.51 | W8TVI | hey warren |
| 05:12.54 | warren | I was told by someone to come here and say hi. |
| 05:13.00 | warren | W8TVI: Wireless? |
| 05:13.04 | W8TVI | yep |
| 05:13.17 | ChipX86 | hey warren |
| 05:13.35 | W8TVI | well.. other than the powercord when I'm not walking around the yard |
| 05:14.04 | warren | W8TVI: how fast can you enter chars? |
| 05:14.13 | warren | ChipX86: how long has that gaim port existed? cool dude |
| 05:14.18 | W8TVI | fast enough |
| 05:14.22 | ChipX86 | warren: good question.. month or two |
| 05:14.24 | W8TVI | not like on the desktop |
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| 05:17.03 | ChipX86 | heh |
| 05:17.06 | Zadok | hmmm |
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| 05:17.22 | Zadok | this is me typing on the zaurus |
| 05:18.05 | Zadok | i can type a a better speed on this than most of the people that i know can on a desktop keyboard |
| 05:19.28 | Zadok | its huge! |
| 05:19.49 | fliplap | what client are you using? |
| 05:19.51 | Zadok | I'd be happy with a two line textbox |
| 05:19.55 | fliplap | gaim? |
| 05:19.58 | Zadok | yep |
| 05:20.02 | Zadok | on my z |
| 05:20.03 | fliplap | ah |
| 05:20.39 | Zadok | its about an 8 line box |
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| 05:20.56 | warren | gotta go |
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| 05:21.03 | Zadok | lattter |
| 05:21.03 | kergoth | hey warmi_ |
| 05:21.19 | zabsentia | gaim here too |
| 05:21.33 | warmi_ | hi |
| 05:21.39 | zabsentia | put up the keyboard, you'll get like 1 line |
| 05:22.21 | W8TVI-z | but it still doesnt give me more screen area for receved messages |
| 05:23.12 | W8TVI | hey ChipX86 |
| 05:23.17 | W8TVI | can you do something about that? |
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| 05:23.25 | W8TVI | make the input area smaller? |
| 05:23.45 | ChipX86 | maybe.. I can't talk right now. Too many problems |
| 05:23.49 | W8TVI | k |
| 05:25.32 | kergoth | mm irssi |
| 05:25.43 | W8TVI | now that installing to SD works... |
| 05:26.28 | W8TVI | anyone find a copy of MC that works on OZ? |
| 05:26.37 | kergoth | isnt mc in buildroot? |
| 05:26.41 | W8TVI | would there be one in the debian ARM area? |
| 05:26.42 | kergoth | i coulda sworn someone added it |
| 05:26.44 | kergoth | should be |
| 05:26.54 | W8TVI | k... |
| 05:27.11 | W8TVI | I tried the one on ZSI and it wouldnt even run |
| 05:27.22 | W8TVI | dont think it ever installed right |
| 05:27.36 | W8TVI | so it should be in one of the feeds? |
| 05:27.46 | kergoth | afaicr ye |
| 05:27.47 | kergoth | s |
| 05:28.05 | W8TVI | k |
| 05:28.09 | W8TVI | testing? |
| 05:28.18 | kergoth | yep testing/unstable |
| 05:28.58 | W8TVI | tnx kergoth |
| 05:29.21 | W8TVI | maybe it was a good thing that my first zaurus mobo got fried |
| 05:29.33 | W8TVI | this one seem to work much bette |
| 05:29.33 | W8TVI | r |
| 05:30.34 | treke|home | hehe |
| 05:30.39 | W8TVI | is ftp.debian.org the address? |
| 05:31.13 | W8TVI | hmmm... its installing perl |
| 05:31.25 | W8TVI | that means I can use fakeap on my zaurus |
| 05:32.18 | W8TVI | oh for a broadband connect |
| 05:33.31 | W8TVI | or some one near by with an open AP and broadband |
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| 05:34.59 | W8TVI | dang it... where is ARM hidden in ftp.debian.org? |
| 05:35.52 | W8TVI | oh nevermind |
| 05:36.11 | kergoth | package pool, same dir as every other package |
| 05:36.12 | kergoth | :) |
| 05:37.19 | W8TVI | now I got to figure out what I need... |
| 05:37.29 | W8TVI | gmc, mc, mc-common |
| 05:43.25 | W8TVI | I'll just use the one thats in the feed |
| 05:43.27 | W8TVI | lol |
| 05:43.39 | kergoth | ~fishslap W8TVI |
| 05:43.40 | | ACTION slaps W8TVI up side the head with a wet fish. |
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| 06:00.50 | W8TVI | kergoth: you know the one thing I REALLY like about the zaurus over other PDAs? |
| 06:01.02 | W8TVI | being able to SSH into it! |
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| 06:01.05 | W8TVI | :) |
| 06:03.22 | W8TVI | werid... |
| 06:03.32 | W8TVI | it installed mc to the card but didn't link it |
| 06:03.38 | W8TVI | had to have ipkg-link do it |
| 06:04.11 | W8TVI | cool! |
| 06:04.15 | W8TVI | mc on my zaurus! |
| 06:06.55 | W8TVI | ok... I do NOT want to use it ON the zaurus... just SSHed into |
| 06:07.07 | ljp | which device? |
| 06:07.22 | W8TVI | 5500 |
| 06:07.38 | ljp | ahh, ya screen's a bit small for a good mc |
| 06:07.56 | W8TVI | yeah... |
| 06:08.05 | W8TVI | but nice when your SSHing into ti |
| 06:08.06 | W8TVI | it |
| 06:08.38 | W8TVI | hmmm |
| 06:08.51 | W8TVI | quickview kinda messes up the display |
| 06:13.57 | W8TVI | why do people think they have to make the opie act like lame palmos apps?! |
| 06:14.27 | W8TVI | we got a real filesystem... lets use it as such! |
| 06:14.51 | W8TVI | ~lart palmos |
| 06:15.57 | ljp | whaada ya mean? |
| 06:18.01 | W8TVI | opie-write |
| 06:18.15 | W8TVI | you cand browse the filesystem to find your file |
| 06:19.01 | W8TVI | at least the others let you choose "all" and browes the filesystem |
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| 06:22.51 | W8TVI | one of these days I'm going to report that bug in the calculator |
| 06:23.34 | W8TVI | well I think its a bug |
| 06:24.03 | W8TVI | if you M+a number like .342 |
| 06:24.07 | ljp | what bug? |
| 06:24.27 | W8TVI | then try to enter more numbers, it puts a . before it |
| 06:24.56 | ljp | hmm. sounds like a bug to me |
| 06:26.10 | ljp | you can do CE, then MR and a normal number |
| 06:27.03 | W8TVI | yeah |
| 06:27.15 | W8TVI | I just use neocal |
| 06:27.20 | W8TVI | the free one |
| 06:27.27 | W8TVI | I still have a copy of it too |
| 06:28.02 | W8TVI | its a nice calculator |
| 06:28.09 | W8TVI | is like a sci-calc |
| 06:28.15 | ljp | use the qtopia calculator, it doesnt do that :) |
| 06:28.24 | W8TVI | on what? |
| 06:28.36 | W8TVI | oz or sharp? |
| 06:28.38 | ljp | ? |
| 06:28.45 | ljp | qtopia 1.7 oz |
| 06:28.48 | kergoth | qtopia is qtopia |
| 06:28.53 | kergoth | base system is irrelevent |
| 06:28.54 | kergoth | heh |
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| 06:28.59 | W8TVI | k |
| 06:29.23 | ljp | but sharps qtopia 1.5.4 =! qtopia |
| 06:29.27 | W8TVI | so where do you get the qtopia calculator from? |
| 06:29.38 | ljp | buildroot |
| 06:29.44 | W8TVI | :( |
| 06:30.01 | ljp | there will soon be a qtopia feed |
| 06:30.09 | W8TVI | cool |
| 06:30.24 | kergoth | ljp: should pester bipolar to enable it when he updates unstable |
| 06:30.39 | ljp | ahh, hmm |
| 06:30.53 | ljp | that would be sooner than the one I am talking about |
| 06:31.16 | kergoth | heheh |
| 06:31.24 | ljp | plus I need to push a fix or two to the qtopia package |
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| 06:33.17 | W8TVI | where does one get new "skins" for opie? |
| 06:33.29 | kergoth | opie-look? |
| 06:33.32 | kergoth | on opie.info? |
| 06:33.39 | W8TVI | oh ok |
| 06:34.17 | W8TVI | cool |
| 06:34.21 | W8TVI | theres even a feed |
| 06:35.25 | W8TVI | tnx again kergoth |
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| 06:36.06 | W8TVI | hey VampireZIM |
| 06:36.12 | W8TVI | whats up? |
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| 06:59.07 | Finder83 | Hi all. :) |
| 07:01.36 | Finder83 | I'm having problems compiling with SDL on the zaurus with GCC...I tried gcc -o test test.c -lSDL and -lSDLmain...the SDL files are in my include and library directories in gcc? |
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| 10:06.18 | emme | the new sash "cacko" rom for c760 is out! |
| 10:06.36 | emme | http://www.cacko.biz/test321/slc7x0upd1.17.en.zip |
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| 13:07.00 | absentia | re |
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| 13:10.46 | drigolin | HI all... I'm having problem connecting Zaurus using USB and RH 9 |
| 13:11.54 | drigolin | Anybody can help me? usbnet comes up and hotplug adds a new eth0 (not usb0) and after correct IP configuration I cannot ping Zaurus. Interface on Zaurus side is UP. |
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| 14:07.43 | absentia | mickey... what does the oz1, oz2 and/or oz3 in your filenames mean? also, will your ipkgs work for sharp/cacko rom ? |
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| 15:21.04 | rev|lib | yooo |
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| 18:00.09 | absentia | bah, someone needs to port dillo to qt |
| 18:00.28 | rev|lib | why? |
| 18:00.37 | rev|lib | i wish i could run opera on X11 on the Z |
| 18:00.44 | rev|lib | much more important than dillo on qt |
| 18:00.49 | rev|lib | *much* |
| 18:02.10 | absentia | it's *FAST* |
| 18:15.46 | treke | what is it with absentia and dillo? It's fast but it renders like crap |
| 18:17.13 | W8TVI | I'd rather use lynx |
| 18:17.26 | treke | dillo isn't that bad :) |
| 18:17.39 | treke | at least dillo can render a half decent table |
| 18:18.30 | rev|lib | well |
| 18:18.35 | rev|lib | i'd rather use dillo than lynx |
| 18:18.43 | rev|lib | but i'd rather use links or w3m usually than dillo |
| 18:18.51 | rev|lib | both of those can do frames and tables |
| 18:19.16 | treke | maybe a links port for qte :p |
| 18:19.22 | rev|lib | actually |
| 18:19.31 | rev|lib | waht would be *SWEET* |
| 18:19.36 | rev|lib | and i'm trying to see how possible it'd be for squeak |
| 18:19.40 | treke | rev|lib: do a dynapad links port :p |
| 18:19.49 | rev|lib | is a port of w3m-img to QPE |
| 18:19.55 | rev|lib | it's like lynx/w3m/links |
| 18:19.57 | rev|lib | but with pictures |
| 18:20.01 | treke | links does pictures |
| 18:20.08 | rev|lib | by virtue of the way m17n muiltilingual system does fonts |
| 18:20.16 | rev|lib | http://www2u.biglobe.ne.jp/%7Ehsaka/w3m/index.html |
| 18:20.19 | rev|lib | check otu the screens: |
| 18:20.25 | rev|lib | http://www2u.biglobe.ne.jp/%7Ehsaka/w3m/nec.png |
| 18:20.28 | rev|lib | http://www2u.biglobe.ne.jp/%7Ehsaka/w3m/mapion.png |
| 18:20.51 | rev|lib | treke: since when? inline, or using an external image viewer? |
| 18:21.18 | treke | inline |
| 18:21.24 | absentia | bah |
| 18:21.24 | rev|lib | url?? |
| 18:21.28 | treke | It doesnt do them in a terminal, but it can do them in X |
| 18:21.32 | rev|lib | ahhh ok |
| 18:21.35 | rev|lib | this does it in a terminal |
| 18:21.36 | rev|lib | but cool |
| 18:21.37 | rev|lib | url? |
| 18:21.38 | treke | rev|lib: Just compile links with X support. or svgalib |
| 18:21.41 | rev|lib | ah |
| 18:21.43 | rev|lib | cool |
| 18:21.49 | treke | or in qte if you wrote it |
| 18:21.53 | rev|lib | didn't know that |
| 18:21.54 | absentia | ok, I booted with memstick plugged in... I can manually mount /dev/sda1 to /mnt .. and umount it... but the menu option for create persistent home dir on'y gives me choice of hda1, hda2 and hda3... not sda1.... |
| 18:22.07 | rev|lib | absentia: memstick? as in a sony memory stick? |
| 18:22.22 | absentia | sorry, wrong channel... ibm mem drive... 256mb |
| 18:22.27 | absentia | was given it at a conference.... |
| 18:22.29 | rev|lib | ah |
| 18:22.31 | absentia | on my keychain |
| 18:22.33 | treke | rev|lib: http://freshmeat.net/projects/links/ |
| 18:22.37 | absentia | I'm trying to get knoppix to put my home there |
| 18:22.54 | treke | has a screenshot of it in X |
| 18:23.02 | rev|lib | cool |
| 18:23.13 | rev|lib | not too bad |
| 18:23.18 | rev|lib | ahhh |
| 18:23.20 | rev|lib | you mean links |
| 18:23.20 | rev|lib | not lynx |
| 18:23.35 | treke | yes links. |
| 18:23.39 | rev|lib | for some whack ass reason i read lynx |
| 18:23.52 | rev|lib | i could swear you said that, but the scroll bar don't lie :P |
| 18:25.50 | rev|lib | i used to use lynx as my only browser |
| 18:26.04 | rev|lib | back when i got my internet throguh the twin cities freenet |
| 18:26.08 | rev|lib | ahh the good old days |
| 18:26.25 | rev|lib | hell, i used to be able to do hotmail from within lynx |
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| 19:08.49 | rev | yooo |
| 19:10.01 | pHluid | Heh. Now Hotmail bitches if you use Mozilla. |
| 19:10.23 | rev | pfft |
| 19:10.26 | rev | i used to use mozilla with lynx |
| 19:10.33 | rev | but that was pre-microsoft |
| 19:10.46 | pHluid | I still remember Mosaic |
| 19:10.53 | rev | yeah |
| 19:10.56 | rev | twas a good browser |
| 19:10.57 | pHluid | And having to use Win32s on Win3.11 to get Winsock to work |
| 19:10.58 | pHluid | heh |
| 19:10.58 | rev | hell |
| 19:11.05 | rev | i still remember the *first* web browser for NeXTSTEP |
| 19:11.33 | pHluid | I never used any "other" OS's around that time frame |
| 19:12.00 | pHluid | I started with the C64, then for like the next 10 years I was on DOS (Though I used DR-DOS, not MS-DOS) or Win |
| 19:12.06 | rev | i was using Minix since i was like 12 |
| 19:12.15 | rev | on an XT my uncle gave me for free |
| 19:12.16 | pHluid | Once I got my first 8086 |
| 19:12.35 | pHluid | I had a bunch of other machines at varying points |
| 19:12.41 | pHluid | I remember a Xerox that ran CP/M |
| 19:12.46 | pHluid | I had a Coleco ADAM |
| 19:12.53 | pHluid | some other things |
| 19:13.05 | pHluid | nothing I used nearly as much as the C64 or the 8086 though |
| 19:13.18 | pHluid | My first 8086 was a Commodore Colt, if you remember those things |
| 19:13.24 | pHluid | Right before Commodore sunk under |
| 19:13.52 | rev | i never had a commodore |
| 19:14.02 | pHluid | Really? |
| 19:14.06 | pHluid | You missed out :P |
| 19:14.43 | pHluid | The C64/128 and Amiga's were years ahead of their time, imho |
| 19:14.52 | pHluid | And cheap |
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| 19:15.55 | rev | yeah |
| 19:15.58 | rev | the amigas were totally |
| 19:16.06 | rev | we didn't get a family computer until 1994, when i was 14 |
| 19:16.12 | ara | Does anyone have the time and kindness to try to solve a problem I have? |
| 19:16.56 | rev | perhaps |
| 19:16.57 | rev | try us |
| 19:17.43 | rev | before the family got a 486, i had an XT i got when i was 12 |
| 19:17.47 | rev | in 1992 |
| 19:17.52 | rev | which was pretty ancient even then |
| 19:17.57 | rev | and my uncle gavei t to me for free |
| 19:18.06 | rev | 640KB RAM, two 5.25" floppies, no HD |
| 19:18.08 | rev | hell |
| 19:18.16 | rev | not even a hercules, CGA, or EGA card |
| 19:18.23 | rev | just a boring mono card |
| 19:18.25 | ara | thanks in advance. I run OZ 3.2 and when i install konqueror and try to run it I get or this msg: "Bus error" or a segmentation fault |
| 19:18.32 | rev | hrmm |
| 19:18.41 | rev | you may need to find another version of konq |
| 19:18.51 | rev | i don't run OZ, and i'm not sure about any specific interactions between konq and OZ 3.2 |
| 19:18.53 | pHluid | For as badly resouce limited as the C64 was, it was able to do some amazing things |
| 19:19.02 | rev | but a bus error is some error in the binary of the file |
| 19:19.04 | rev | pHluid: so i've heard |
| 19:19.09 | pHluid | I don't think the x86 platform surpassed the power of the C128 until the 386 days |
| 19:19.16 | pHluid | 286's were probably roughly comperable |
| 19:19.30 | rev | my *first* computer was actually kind of like a PDA |
| 19:19.32 | rev | it was portable |
| 19:19.42 | rev | the Tandy TRS-80 Pocket Computer PC-3 |
| 19:19.42 | pHluid | Haha, I had this thing... what was it called... |
| 19:19.42 | rev | http://www.obsoletecomputermuseum.org/trs-pc3/ |
| 19:19.44 | rev | it ruled |
| 19:19.44 | pHluid | A fucking Kaypro |
| 19:19.49 | pHluid | It was a "portable" |
| 19:19.50 | rev | it was way cooler than any commodore |
| 19:19.54 | rev | well, it wasn't that kind of portable |
| 19:19.54 | pHluid | Weighed about 60 pounds |
| 19:19.57 | rev | haha yeah |
| 19:19.59 | rev | i had one of those |
| 19:20.21 | rev | a few years ago, some friend left on my door steap a 50 lb Trash-80 Model 4P "portable" computer |
| 19:20.25 | pHluid | Giant ass cube with a full size keyboard that attached to it to cover the monior |
| 19:20.28 | rev | for a week or so i brought it to school heh |
| 19:20.36 | rev | dumb high schoolers :) |
| 19:20.43 | rev | and used it for taking my class notes |
| 19:20.46 | pHluid | 8" monochrome (no graphics capability, just green text) and 2 5 1/4" drives |
| 19:20.51 | rev | it was louder than the teacher half of the time |
| 19:20.51 | rev | yup |
| 19:20.56 | rev | mine was very similar |
| 19:21.12 | rev | http://www.myoldcomputers.com/museum/comp/trs-804p.htm |
| 19:21.15 | rev | ^^ that is it |
| 19:21.17 | rev | it was awesome |
| 19:21.29 | rev | it was "portable" because it had a big metal handle on the back |
| 19:21.32 | pHluid | can't get the page to ... oh there it goes |
| 19:21.32 | rev | back/top |
| 19:21.42 | pHluid | Yah, that's kind of the same design as the kaypro |
| 19:21.46 | rev | yup |
| 19:21.47 | pHluid | Kaypro was way bigger though |
| 19:21.53 | pHluid | What OS did those run? |
| 19:21.59 | pHluid | I *think* the Kaypro used CP/M |
| 19:22.02 | rev | well |
| 19:22.03 | pHluid | But I might be mistaken on that |
| 19:22.06 | rev | the one i had just booted into BASIC |
| 19:22.11 | rev | but i think you could run CP/M |
| 19:22.14 | rev | but i didn't have any disks for it |
| 19:22.34 | pHluid | http://www.obsoletecomputermuseum.org/kaypro/ |
| 19:22.37 | pHluid | There it is |
| 19:22.59 | pHluid | Yep, ran CP/M |
| 19:23.04 | pHluid | That thing was awesome |
| 19:23.13 | pHluid | It would get so hot the chips would work themselves out of the sockets |
| 19:23.28 | pHluid | so you had to take the cover off and push on about 80 big ass socketed chips |
| 19:24.13 | pHluid | CP/M was a badass OS :( |
| 19:24.19 | pHluid | It definately should've won over DOS |
| 19:24.31 | pHluid | http://www.obsoletecomputermuseum.org/adam/ |
| 19:28.05 | rev | i've never used CP/M |
| 19:28.08 | rev | what did it do better? |
| 19:28.38 | pHluid | Hell, everything |
| 19:29.00 | pHluid | DOS was a kid's toy in comparison, at least at the time when they were competing |
| 19:29.00 | rev | it didn't multitask did it? |
| 19:29.49 | pHluid | http://www.seasip.demon.co.uk/Cpm/ |
| 19:30.29 | pHluid | It didn't multitask at first |
| 19:30.36 | pHluid | But I believe the later platforms did |
| 19:30.43 | pHluid | Wait, hrm |
| 19:30.50 | pHluid | You know, it might have |
| 19:30.56 | pHluid | must have, cause it was multi-user |
| 19:31.01 | pHluid | I dunno. Memory hazy :( |
| 19:31.11 | rev | aww |
| 19:32.14 | pHluid | http://www.seasip.demon.co.uk/Cpm/whycpm.html |
| 19:32.14 | rev | reading it :) |
| 19:33.04 | pHluid | I'm trying to find something that compares CP/M to DOS at around the same time frames |
| 19:33.18 | pHluid | DOS was basically a neutered, stripped down CP/M so that it was easier for joe schmo to use |
| 19:34.11 | oGMo | DOS was a hacked version of a shitty bootloader |
| 19:35.50 | rev | mmmmhmm |
| 19:37.04 | pHluid | http://members.fortunecity.com/pcmuseum/kildall.htm |
| 19:37.12 | pHluid | http://www.dcast.vbox.co.uk/cpm.html |
| 19:37.21 | pHluid | There's a lot on the history of it all |
| 19:37.30 | pHluid | But it's hard to find anything comparing the two feature-wise |
| 19:38.19 | rev | mmhmm |
| 19:38.35 | pHluid | And I'm not sure were you get the idea it was a "hacked version of a bootloader" |
| 19:38.57 | treke | boot virus, maybe |
| 19:39.07 | pHluid | DOS was never intended to be a user environment |
| 19:39.20 | fliplap | heh, boot viruses, i remember those |
| 19:39.43 | pHluid | It was written more or less to test memory modules, and that was it. heh. |
| 19:40.49 | pHluid | IBM wanted CP/M for the x86 platform, Digital Research had a very mature CP/M OS, but their x86 version couldn't be completed on schedule, they approached Microsoft and asked them to code a CP/M clone |
| 19:41.36 | pHluid | Microsoft couldn't do that and meet IBM's schedule demands, so they bought 86-DOS, a research platform written by one guy in his garage to test his employers memory modules, from Seattle something or other, and hired it's author. |
| 19:43.33 | rev | i used to play with virii |
| 19:43.42 | rev | you could get "virus workshop" apps for DOS |
| 19:43.44 | rev | they were fun |
| 19:43.48 | pHluid | VCL |
| 19:44.00 | rev | i would write them on my 486 then deploy on the XT and oberve the pattern |
| 19:44.01 | rev | what a nerd |
| 19:44.09 | rev | a computational ecologist before i even knew it |
| 19:45.28 | treke | man. rev brings pathetic to a whole new level |
| 19:45.44 | rev | heh |
| 19:45.52 | rev | buy my sampler: |
| 19:45.53 | rev | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2560721148&category=38070&rd=1 |
| 19:46.00 | rev | or |
| 19:46.01 | pHluid | TEMPTING |
| 19:46.02 | pHluid | BUT NO |
| 19:46.04 | rev | buy my 2 GB PCMCIA HD: |
| 19:46.04 | rev | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2755616188&category=51076&rd=1 |
| 19:46.27 | rev | for anyone wanting to get into electronic music it'd actually be a really nice starter unit |
| 19:46.32 | rev | quite cheap, but good sound |
| 19:47.21 | treke | good sound? |
| 19:47.26 | treke | it's a fricken hard drive |
| 19:47.34 | rev | ? |
| 19:47.39 | rev | i mean the sampler |
| 19:47.43 | pHluid | I believe he meant the sampler. |
| 19:47.43 | rev | :P |
| 19:47.49 | pHluid | FEEL HUMBLED. |
| 19:47.52 | rev | haha |
| 19:47.56 | rev | CHUMP |
| 19:47.57 | treke | Feel this |
| 19:48.09 | absentia | I had two pcmcia hard drives... back in 97 or so |
| 19:48.09 | treke | don't be steppin to me ho |
| 19:48.16 | absentia | for a sparc laptop... both drives died. |
| 19:48.18 | absentia | I think they were 200mb |
| 19:48.29 | absentia | one was loud as a drill |
| 19:49.17 | pHluid | rev: OK |
| 19:49.20 | pHluid | CP/M was multi-user |
| 19:49.23 | pHluid | but time-shared |
| 19:49.28 | pHluid | like old versions of UNIX |
| 19:49.32 | pHluid | So not multi-tasking |
| 19:49.39 | pHluid | At least in the later versions |
| 19:49.46 | rev | pfft |
| 19:49.47 | pHluid | Early versions were single-user like DOS was |
| 19:49.47 | rev | LAME |
| 19:50.04 | treke | like squeek |
| 19:50.23 | rev | !#@%!!! |
| 19:50.33 | pHluid | CP/M eventually evolved into DR-DOS/OpenDOS though, which is to my knowledge the only multitasking DOS |
| 19:50.37 | absentia | plan9 ? |
| 19:51.14 | treke | rev: bow before the superiority of C |
| 19:51.17 | rev | pfft |
| 19:51.20 | rev | C sucks my ass |
| 19:53.24 | rev | hell |
| 19:53.27 | rev | us smalltalkers |
| 19:53.32 | rev | we even write our virtual machine in smalltalk |
| 19:53.48 | rev | there are at least two other multitasking DOSes |
| 19:53.53 | rev | that i know of, probably more |
| 19:54.21 | rev | there is OS/2 1.0-1.2, both of which are no more than multitasking DOS; later versions were multitasking DOS in the same way, if you didn't boot into the GUI |
| 19:54.59 | pHluid | Saying OS/2 in any form is a DOS is a bit of a misnomer |
| 19:56.00 | pHluid | it used flat memory addressing and ran in protected mode |
| 19:56.06 | pHluid | And to my knowledge wasn't based on any DOS code |
| 19:56.35 | pHluid | So I'd have to disagree that it was a DOS OS, at least so far as it being even remotely compatable with any other |
| 20:01.25 | rev | well, not based on DOS |
| 20:01.36 | rev | but it runs DOS apps, it's a dos work alike |
| 20:02.06 | pHluid | The whole OS/2 thing was weird |
| 20:02.28 | pHluid | Everybody hated DOS, they hated all it's limitations and they hated what a bastard it was to code for, and all the cheap hacks you had to use |
| 20:02.40 | pHluid | Basically it was a big load of shit |
| 20:02.58 | pHluid | IBM and MS spend millions writing a powerful OS that addressed damn near all the problems |
| 20:03.08 | pHluid | ...and nobody gave a shit. |
| 20:03.09 | pHluid | heh. |
| 20:03.24 | treke | at least it wasnt a mac :p |
| 20:03.25 | rev | mmhmm |
| 20:03.29 | rev | OS/2 was awesome |
| 20:03.38 | pHluid | Yah, it definately was |
| 20:03.40 | rev | i used to run os/2 2.1 on the family 486 |
| 20:03.41 | rev | it owned |
| 20:03.44 | pHluid | Just nobody cared |
| 20:03.45 | rev | hell |
| 20:03.57 | rev | it even ran decently on that 25 mhz 486sx, with a piddly 4 MB of RAM |
| 20:04.01 | rev | it was slow, sure |
| 20:04.05 | rev | but it ran a lot better than Win3.1 |
| 20:04.37 | pHluid | I really, really wish the whole Win3/9x thing had never happened |
| 20:04.47 | rev | yeah |
| 20:04.48 | rev | me too |
| 20:04.54 | pHluid | What a massive time waste all that shit was |
| 20:05.02 | rev | i never actually had used win9x once until the year 2000 |
| 20:05.08 | rev | when i had a win 98 machine at work |
| 20:05.16 | rev | i always used DOS or linux or os/2 |
| 20:05.26 | rev | linux on my own machine, DOS on the family machine |
| 20:05.32 | rev | win3.1 sucks soooo bad that i never used that shit |
| 20:05.38 | pHluid | I used it |
| 20:05.41 | pHluid | You didn't miss anything. |
| 20:05.46 | rev | and refused to install win95, it would be cruel to my dad who used the computer |
| 20:06.03 | rev | DOS ruled in its own weird way |
| 20:08.19 | rev | DesqView ruled a lot |
| 20:08.28 | rev | i used that for a little while, for multitasking |
| 20:08.56 | rev | i tried using win 3.1 at first, basically as a DOS box multiplexor |
| 20:08.58 | rev | but hell no |
| 20:09.00 | rev | that sucked ass |
| 20:09.11 | rev | i couldn't be on a BBS and do something in another DOS box at the same time |
| 20:09.19 | rev | it'd slow the download down to 1 cps |
| 20:18.21 | pHluid | DESQView/X was way, way better for multitasking |
| 20:18.31 | rev | yeah |
| 20:18.34 | pHluid | Win was shit at it |
| 20:18.37 | rev | yeah |
| 20:18.38 | rev | hell |
| 20:18.42 | rev | Win9x was still shit at it |
| 20:18.44 | pHluid | You could maybe get away with 1 DOS session and using windows apps |
| 20:18.47 | rev | yeah |
| 20:18.50 | rev | *maybe* |
| 20:18.55 | pHluid | Trying to do multiple DOS sessions was hideous though |
| 20:19.00 | rev | yeah, truly evil |
| 20:19.09 | rev | OS/2 could do 10 dos sessions on that box with no problem |
| 20:19.16 | rev | while not dropping my donwload speed one byte a second |
| 20:19.23 | rev | DV and DV/X would slow it down a little |
| 20:19.32 | rev | but it was worth it |
| 20:28.13 | treke|home | well, the dos apps were all run in a single thread |
| 20:28.19 | treke|home | all the way up to NT4 |
| 20:28.59 | rev | mmhmm |
| 20:44.57 | pHluid | [16:03:29] -› Description: Introducing Red Hat Linux. The newest addition to Red Hat's line of award-winning Linux operating systems--the most trusted open source operating systems in the world. |
| 20:44.58 | pHluid | uh |
| 20:45.19 | pHluid | Introducing Red Hat Linux, the newest addition to the Red Hat Linux line? |
| 20:45.22 | pHluid | the hell. |
| 20:45.37 | pHluid | "Introducing Microsoft Windows, the newest addition to Microsoft Windows!" |
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| 20:55.29 | rev | hahaha |
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| 21:18.52 | drigolin | Hi ljp |
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| 22:06.28 | jdh41 | can I persuade anyone in here to tell me if they can get a ping response from www.cam.ac.uk? |
| 22:07.34 | emme | ping www.cam.ac.uk |
| 22:07.34 | emme | PING www.cam.ac.uk (131.111.8.46) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 22:08.52 | emme | From 500.POS4-2.GW8.LAX4.ALTER.NET (208.222.9.225) icmp_seq=87 Destination Host Unreachable |
| 22:08.52 | emme | From 500.POS4-2.GW8.LAX4.ALTER.NET (208.222.9.225) icmp_seq=88 Destination Host Unreachable |
| 22:08.52 | emme | From 500.POS4-2.GW8.LAX4.ALTER.NET (208.222.9.225) icmp_seq=91 Destination Host Unreachable |
| 22:09.07 | Laze | Pinging www.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.46] with 32 bytes of data: |
| 22:09.08 | Laze | Request timed out. |
| 22:09.21 | jdh41 | thanks |
| 22:10.47 | emme | for non native english speakers: what's et? |
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| 22:31.03 | absentia | re |
| 22:32.21 | absentia | anyone know of a vnc SERVER for non-OZ c7x0 ??? |
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| 22:45.39 | absentia | anyone here get u4 working on the c7x0 ? |
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| 22:58.46 | usr12869 | hi, i'm stuck with unicode support at the moment |
| 22:58.51 | usr12869 | any hints |
| 22:59.00 | usr12869 | ? |
| 22:59.06 | treke_ | here is a hint, be more specific |
| 22:59.51 | absentia | uni what ? |
| 22:59.59 | absentia | is this a homework assignment ? |
| 23:00.18 | usr12869 | netfront 3.0 "double low-9 quotation mark" 201c |
| 23:00.22 | usr12869 | :) |
| 23:00.24 | absentia | ah |
| 23:02.09 | usr12869 | do you have a unifont.bdf file? (my fontdir file says so, but the file itself is not available) |
| 23:13.02 | absentia | w8: did you see the post on slashdot about the letters in a word... only the first letter and last letter ahve to be in place, all the otehrs can be scrambled |
| 23:13.07 | absentia | and people can read it just as if it wasn't scrambled. |
| 23:13.19 | absentia | I was bored the other day, so I ready a book upside down and backwards... |
| 23:13.42 | absentia | now I need to write a program so I can read things upside down, backwards and scrambled. |
| 23:19.55 | usr12869 | yep and on heise.de they had a sample with a more complex context and then its not so easy to read |
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| 23:26.49 | absentia | yes |
| 23:26.53 | absentia | bash.org is hilarious |
| 23:29.52 | treke_ | oh man. colored transparent terminals lasted about 2 minutes :p |
| 23:30.46 | absentia | ? |
| 23:31.26 | treke_ | absentia: tried changing the terminals I use from plain black transparent to color tinted. Lasted maybe 2-3 minutes before I got fed up with them |
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| 23:35.17 | treke_ | nerf, ping |
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