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| 00:07.37 | tag_ | hurm |
| 00:08.06 | cleverdra | hm? |
| 00:12.24 | cleverdra | sigh |
| 00:13.34 | tag_ | Trying to load a .jar file on my Zaurus |
| 00:13.43 | tag_ | I thought it already had java on it |
| 00:13.58 | George`Coding | you have jeode if you're running the Sharp ROM |
| 00:14.09 | George`Coding | I think the command is "evm blah.jar" |
| 00:14.11 | George`Coding | not sure though |
| 00:14.27 | tag_ | thats what I thought |
| 00:14.45 | tag_ | but it says "java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: JiGLE/jar" |
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| 00:17.34 | TCMAN | hi |
| 00:17.46 | fliplap | try just evm blah |
| 00:18.00 | tag_ | that still has a similar error |
| 00:18.10 | tag_ | many other virtual machines take a -jar argument |
| 00:18.15 | tag_ | but this doesn't either |
| 00:19.26 | TCMAN | what is good console irc client ? |
| 00:20.00 | fliplap | irssi |
| 00:20.03 | fliplap | BitchX |
| 00:20.10 | tag_ | aha |
| 00:20.18 | tag_ | evm -cp Filename.jar |
| 00:20.18 | tag_ | but |
| 00:20.56 | TCMAN | fliplap: there was some hole or exploit in bitchx not long ago, right ? |
| 00:21.21 | fliplap | TCMAN: there was some hole or exploit in * not long ago, right ? |
| 00:22.19 | TCMAN | fliplap: yeah, but it means i cannot install original slackware bitchx |
| 00:23.48 | tag_ | as if bitchx is tough to install |
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| 00:37.34 | treke__ | TCMAN: I'd recommend irssi over bitchx |
| 00:40.24 | George`Coding | treke__: btw - treke.net is still down :P |
| 00:40.51 | treke__ | George`Coding: No. It's up |
| 00:40.56 | treke__ | I just have you firewalled off |
| 00:41.10 | George`Coding | treke__: lies! |
| 00:43.29 | TCMAN | treke: i dont see it on slackware install cd |
| 00:44.11 | TCMAN | some day i will switch my firewall to gentoo |
| 00:46.27 | TCMAN | brb |
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| 01:02.10 | TCMAN | re |
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| 01:05.05 | George- | mewyn: ? |
| 01:05.10 | mewyn | ? |
| 01:05.15 | George- | let's play guess TCMAN's name! |
| 01:05.16 | George- | :P |
| 01:05.19 | George- | mewyn: ?!?!! |
| 01:05.19 | George- | :P |
| 01:06.51 | mewyn | ? |
| 01:06.58 | George- | ?????????? |
| 01:07.13 | George- | wtf |
| 01:07.16 | George- | my reverse DNS is working |
| 01:07.22 | George- | whoa |
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| 01:43.32 | fliplap | where go i get wlanctl-ng for the Z? |
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| 01:44.03 | TCMAN | George- yay ! i have mastered bitchx :) |
| 01:44.18 | TCMAN | George- last time i used console irc client was like 7 years ago |
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| 01:46.51 | George- | lol |
| 01:48.23 | TCMAN | George-: i know now why irc is blocked |
| 01:48.45 | TCMAN | George-: a wariant of blaster logs to some irc networks |
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| 01:52.45 | George- | fliplap: ipkgfind? |
| 01:52.46 | TCMAN | fliplap: OZ uses hostap |
| 01:53.26 | fliplap | ah |
| 01:53.31 | George- | STOP FUCKING NETSPLITTING |
| 01:53.34 | George- | I HATE THIS SHIT |
| 01:53.36 | fliplap | gotcha, so use prism2_hostap |
| 01:54.01 | TCMAN | hostap is better than wlan-ng |
| 01:54.29 | George- | --- _Q is now known as sco_ |
| 01:54.29 | George- | * sco_ sues ibm_ |
| 01:54.29 | George- | * ibm_ buries sco_ |
| 01:54.29 | George- | --- sco_ is now known as _Q |
| 01:54.44 | George- | haha |
| 01:54.56 | George- | no |
| 01:54.57 | George- | it was |
| 01:55.13 | George- | --- _Q is now known as sco_ |
| 01:55.13 | George- | --- ReapWORK is now known as ibm_ |
| 01:55.13 | George- | * sco_ sues ibm_ |
| 01:55.13 | George- | * ibm_ buries sco_ |
| 01:55.13 | George- | --- sco_ is now known as _Q |
| 01:55.14 | George- | --- ibm_ is now known as ReapWORK |
| 01:55.32 | TCMAN | George- !!! |
| 01:56.00 | George- | what? |
| 01:57.00 | TCMAN | stop it |
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| 01:58.10 | George- | grah |
| 01:58.28 | George- | Only if you send me a Sapphire fan-less 9800 Pro 256MB |
| 02:01.34 | cleverdra | how can I refresh the Qtopia desktop (its appliication links, etc) without restarting qpe or having the package manager do it on a package change? |
| 02:01.45 | George- | send me a Sapphire fan-less 9800 Pro 256MB and I'll tell you. |
| 02:02.29 | George- | fair deal |
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| 02:07.28 | munky_ | hey |
| 02:07.36 | treke__ | cleverdra: install opie-sh and the refresh package |
| 02:07.40 | treke__ | cleverdra: other wise you cant |
| 02:08.01 | George- | treke__: well, you can send a DCOP call via the terminal |
| 02:08.15 | treke__ | no you cant |
| 02:08.17 | treke__ | qcop maybe |
| 02:08.21 | George- | yeh, that's it |
| 02:08.21 | treke__ | definitly not dcop |
| 02:08.48 | George- | qcop QPE/System 'restart()' |
| 02:08.56 | treke__ | uhm |
| 02:08.59 | George- | uh |
| 02:09.00 | George- | woops |
| 02:09.00 | treke__ | that will restart qpe |
| 02:09.45 | cleverdra | treke - thank you |
| 02:10.27 | cleverdra | george - what I'm trying to avoid is having to restart this IRC session just because I want to add an application icon. |
| 02:11.40 | cleverdra | sigh, I wish konq/e had an "I'm alive, and working work" animation |
| 02:37.47 | George`ZZzz | g'night all |
| 02:48.20 | djk | anybody using the Kompany ROM? |
| 02:48.39 | mewyn | tkc has a rom? |
| 02:49.22 | djk | yes |
| 02:50.30 | cleverdra | djk - briefly. It didn't support my NIC when I needed it too. Back to absurdly old OZ. |
| 02:50.32 | ljp | hmmm, interesting |
| 02:50.33 | ljp | didnt see opie's todo descriptions |
| 02:52.37 | djk | cleverdra: It seems I may have the same issue. I like the Sharp 3.10 except for lack of support on the Amibcom and they made it incompatible with qtopia desktop |
| 02:53.12 | cleverdra | the state of ROMs is sad, today. |
| 02:53.47 | cleverdra | I wish that someone with a greater tendency towards making releases would fork OZ. |
| 02:53.47 | djk | yes sharp released 3.10 to quick |
| 02:54.13 | mewyn | grumble |
| 02:54.16 | djk | humm forks tend to be bad |
| 02:54.17 | mewyn | hardwire: wake up! |
| 02:56.12 | cleverdra | djik - like egcc was? |
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| 02:57.04 | bluewato_Z | Hi |
| 02:57.30 | cleverdra | djik - the OZ people *know* that their released busybox has a broken mknod implementation. They can't bother to release a new initrd? fine. Give me the hassle of a fork. |
| 02:58.12 | bluewato_Z | Does any one inhere program using EIDE? |
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| 03:01.02 | bluewato_Z | Hi |
| 03:01.16 | bluewato_Z | 7Hellow |
| 03:01.23 | bluewato_Z | hello |
| 03:16.52 | hardwire | mewyn: ? |
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| 04:06.18 | cleverdra | how can I lock the zaurus without taking it down? I'd like something like xlockmore |
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| 04:32.43 | sashz | mornin |
| 04:32.51 | VampireZIM | its not morning |
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| 04:38.37 | cleverdra | it's always morning. |
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| 04:46.47 | sashz | yez, not morning, already day |
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| 05:01.09 | heatxsink | how can I get the newest Zaurus |
| 05:01.15 | heatxsink | the one that is like a laptop? |
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| 05:02.01 | cleverdra | heat - japandirect is probably best. |
| 05:07.29 | rev|z | hey |
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| 05:21.31 | Zxcvb | anyone in here from new york? |
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| 05:30.34 | rev|z | nope |
| 05:30.39 | rev|z | are you? |
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| 06:51.25 | prh | anyone familiar with buildroot here? |
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| 07:14.33 | themus | hello, what kinds of things can wake the zaurus from sleep? `at` commands? anything else? |
| 07:16.07 | ljp | ugly nightmares can |
| 07:16.54 | themus | my zaurus has not yet asked me whether it will dream when I put it to sleep. I guess that is a good thing. |
| 07:17.58 | themus | what packages should I install on my zaurus to allow it to become sentient? :) |
| 07:23.31 | ljp | opie-ai |
| 07:23.51 | themus | i finally realized the reason my wireless card wouldn't eject sometimes was because I had stale ssh processes running. |
| 07:24.07 | themus | ljp: :) |
| 07:26.07 | themus | why do the many symbolic links seem so odd on Z. anyone know of a good document that explains the rationale? |
| 07:26.57 | themus | I'm new at bash (used to tcsh) where does it get it's default path list? I can't find the config file. |
| 07:34.36 | pasky | how do i make the launcher "reload" the tabs contents ? i've installed a new package but the launcher does not show it yet |
| 07:35.05 | pasky | (and it did the same thing when I've uploaded some mpegs there, it didn't show them up in the documents tab initially) |
| 07:36.18 | ljp | the symlinks are there on the sharp rom, because the binaries are actually on a non writable flash |
| 07:36.38 | pasky | huh? I've it installed on the CF card |
| 07:36.59 | pasky | (and all other apps from CF than the one I've installed just now are shown there) |
| 07:38.14 | ljp | pasky: you might have to restart qtopia |
| 07:38.27 | pasky | hrmpf |
| 07:39.44 | pasky | there's smt broken w/ that package anyway |
| 07:52.35 | themus | pasky: have you tried opening package manager and exiting again to refresh |
| 07:56.02 | themus | are there serious problems from leaving my SD card as FAT instead of reformatting it as ext2? |
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| 08:25.47 | schurig | anyone willing to sell a Zaurus? A friend of mine is looking for a good, cheap used Linux-PDA ... |
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| 08:30.10 | minipanda | fXXk |
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| 09:50.21 | madeddie | does anybody have a solution for the ppp-over-serial-over-usb crash problem thingy? does anybody else have it also? :) |
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| 10:13.03 | erics | hello all |
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| 10:21.02 | sashz | hello |
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| 10:29.43 | erics | hello again, I have an SD question if someone here would like to help? |
| 10:29.54 | erics | i am doing my best to get the 3.2 open zaurus running with and SD card (yes I have read the manuals on web) |
| 10:30.10 | erics | I have lost my mmcda1 partition so have been trying to format the /dev/mmcda as an ext2 partion |
| 10:30.19 | erics | fdisk errors out, but mkfs.{ext2|vfat} work fine |
| 10:31.45 | sashz | you killed partition table on sd, tat why fdisk error out |
| 10:32.07 | erics | yep |
| 10:32.14 | sashz | mkfs.[..] not use partition table |
| 10:32.19 | erics | yep |
| 10:32.28 | erics | and vfat mounts ok, but ext2 not |
| 10:32.35 | erics | w/o partion table |
| 10:32.37 | sashz | hmm |
| 10:32.43 | erics | weird, I know |
| 10:32.44 | sashz | create it again |
| 10:32.52 | sashz | with fdisk |
| 10:33.00 | sashz | than mkfs.ext2 /dev/mmcda1 |
| 10:33.47 | erics | I tried this, with n for new partion but get only bus error |
| 10:34.02 | sashz | hrrr, you use fdisk from busybox? |
| 10:34.11 | George`ZZzz | anyone got any recommendations for free online email services? |
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| 10:34.24 | erics | fdisk on the distro, 2.11 |
| 10:34.25 | sashz | download normal fdisk from killefiz , and try again |
| 10:34.40 | erics | where? from the sw site? |
| 10:34.46 | erics | 2.11g? |
| 10:34.52 | sashz | wait |
| 10:34.55 | erics | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=205 |
| 10:36.10 | sashz | try this: http://cacko.biz/~sash/fdisk |
| 10:36.46 | sashz | aha, or this http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=205 |
| 10:36.59 | erics | ok, trying |
| 10:46.27 | erics | sashz: slow connection, takes a bit of time... |
| 10:52.25 | sashz | ok |
| 11:02.32 | erics | sashz: that was it! |
| 11:03.03 | erics | once the partition has been created I can then mkfs.ext2 /dev/mmcda1 I guess, thanks much! |
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| 11:08.11 | erics | hehe |
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| 11:17.43 | erics | sashz: I spoke too soon... I am getting the following with new fdisk |
| 11:18.05 | erics | # fdisk /dev/mmcda |
| 11:18.05 | erics | Device contains neither a valid DOS partition table, nor Sun, SGI or OSF disklabel |
| 11:18.05 | erics | Building a new DOS disklabel. Changes will remain in memory only, |
| 11:18.05 | erics | until you decide to write them. After that, of course, the previous |
| 11:18.05 | erics | content won't be recoverable. |
| 11:19.11 | erics | when I create a new partion: |
| 11:19.14 | erics | Command (m for help): p |
| 11:19.14 | erics | Disk /dev/mmcda: 16 heads, 32 sectors, 1000 cylinders |
| 11:19.14 | erics | Units = cylinders of 512 * 512 bytes |
| 11:19.15 | erics | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:19.17 | erics | /dev/mmcda1 1 1000 255984 83 Linux |
| 11:19.41 | erics | with 'w' it does not write it to the disk, gone on new look at partion table |
| 11:21.20 | erics | keep getting this: |
| 11:21.23 | erics | Command (m for help): w |
| 11:21.26 | erics | The partition table has been altered! |
| 11:21.30 | erics | Calling ioctl() to re-read partition table. |
| 11:21.34 | erics | WARNING: If you have created or modified any DOS 6.x |
| 11:21.36 | erics | partitions, please see the fdisk manual page for additional |
| 11:21.38 | erics | information. |
| 11:21.40 | erics | Syncing disks. |
| 11:22.47 | sashz | its ok |
| 11:22.55 | sashz | now try mkfs |
| 11:23.00 | sashz | for mmcda1 |
| 11:24.34 | erics | yep, just needed to eject and insert the sd, then it worked.... thanks |
| 11:26.36 | erics | seems to be mkfs.ext2'ing! |
| 11:27.41 | sashz | ok, its done, new custom rom for C7x0 there http://cacko.biz/test321/slc7x0upd1.16.en.zip |
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| 11:58.40 | erics | sashz: getting this with mkfs.ext2 |
| 11:58.43 | erics | Writing inode tables: done |
| 11:58.43 | erics | ext2fs_mkdir: Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read while creating root dir |
| 12:10.57 | erics | retrying |
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| 12:13.38 | erics | ok bb in a bit... |
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| 12:39.28 | mark | hi George- |
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| 12:40.15 | George- | mark: yo |
| 12:41.20 | George- | ok |
| 12:41.23 | George- | back to coding I go |
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| 12:55.03 | mark | George`Coding: how many lines a day do youdo? |
| 12:55.16 | erics | sashz: finally got a reaction from e2fsck on the mmcda1 partion, fixing a bunch of messed up stuff on it |
| 12:55.22 | erics | maybe I can mount it afterwards? |
| 12:55.49 | George`Coding | mark: not many :) |
| 12:56.17 | erics | had to mke2fs with smaller inode count, 11200 ... |
| 12:56.54 | erics | which is from an list I found where someone could only get a 16mb card to work with 700 inodes, so I took 16x700 inodes |
| 12:57.27 | CAMCAM | sashz: Where can I find the procedure to save my data and then flash your new custom rom for SL-C760 ? |
| 12:58.13 | sashz | made backup from windows backup utility |
| 12:58.28 | sashz | make backup |
| 12:58.47 | sashz | no |
| 12:58.51 | sashz | sorry :) |
| 12:59.03 | CAMCAM | I already back up from the D+m |
| 12:59.04 | sashz | what you want backup? |
| 12:59.10 | sashz | aaaa :) |
| 12:59.12 | sashz | ok:) |
| 12:59.34 | CAMCAM | I would like to be able to backupe only where I will write the new rom |
| 12:59.37 | sashz | so now you can burn my rom :) |
| 13:00.15 | sashz | hrr, what you mean 'where'? |
| 13:00.24 | CAMCAM | ok. If D+M is the only way to do it |
| 13:00.54 | CAMCAM | "Where" for for example /dev/mtdblock2 |
| 13:01.00 | sashz | for now yes. |
| 13:01.27 | sashz | initrd.bin will placed on /dev/mtdblock2 |
| 13:01.48 | sashz | D+M backup made full NAND backup, not only mtd2 |
| 13:01.59 | CAMCAM | Is there a way to backup mtdblock2 before doing anything (I don't talk about D+M) |
| 13:02.06 | CAMCAM | from cmd line |
| 13:02.09 | CAMCAM | dd ? |
| 13:02.13 | sashz | yes |
| 13:02.17 | mark | George`Coding: :) |
| 13:02.34 | CAMCAM | dd if... |
| 13:02.45 | sashz | dd if=/dev/mtd2 of=/mnt/card/mybackup |
| 13:02.54 | CAMCAM | ok, and to flash back, I will use your procedure |
| 13:03.39 | sashz | ???? for flash my rom, put 2 files from zip file to SD or CF |
| 13:03.46 | sashz | and made flash update |
| 13:03.54 | CAMCAM | sashz: Thank. And how can I flash your ROM ;). It looks good (on Sharp forum |
| 13:04.13 | CAMCAM | Flash update ? |
| 13:04.29 | sashz | turnoff zaurus, than press OK + ON |
| 13:04.54 | CAMCAM | then.. |
| 13:05.05 | sashz | from japan menu select 4th line, select SD (or CF) ond press left button (YES) |
| 13:05.11 | George`Coding | mark: I've nearly finished it anyway |
| 13:05.12 | erics | sashz: were is you rom? |
| 13:05.30 | CAMCAM | http://cacko.biz/test321/slc7x0upd1.16.en.zip |
| 13:05.34 | sashz | http://cacko.biz/test321/slc7x0upd1.16.en.zip |
| 13:05.41 | erics | thanks! what is new? |
| 13:05.55 | CAMCAM | totally in English |
| 13:06.02 | CAMCAM | No more japonise |
| 13:06.24 | erics | hehe |
| 13:07.02 | sashz | where in english? |
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| 13:07.19 | rev|desk | tooooo early |
| 13:07.28 | sashz | in flash update menu? |
| 13:07.31 | sashz | hi rev |
| 13:07.37 | erics | sashz: wow, looks nice |
| 13:07.56 | erics | sashz: the flash is 'C' +'D' + reset button? |
| 13:07.56 | sashz | ahh there :) |
| 13:08.05 | sashz | for C7x0? |
| 13:09.23 | George`Coding | mark: indicative/subjunctive is called a "mood" right? |
| 13:09.32 | George`Coding | mark: and active/passive is the "voice" yeah? |
| 13:09.52 | erics | sashz: thnks for the help earlier, I get it mounted just now for first time (mmcda1 |
| 13:09.52 | erics | ) |
| 13:10.19 | sashz | :) |
| 13:10.43 | sashz | http://cacko.biz/~sash/slc7x0/eng-vers/ there screens from C7x0 with custom rom :) |
| 13:10.55 | CAMCAM | Sorry, ok + on doesn't work for me |
| 13:11.01 | CAMCAM | SL-C760 |
| 13:11.05 | sashz | hmm, wait plz |
| 13:11.11 | CAMCAM | ok |
| 13:11.12 | mark | George`Coding: yes |
| 13:11.38 | George`Coding | mark: sure? |
| 13:11.57 | sashz | read there http://www.multik.ru/english/zaurus/reflash/ |
| 13:12.04 | mark | George`Coding: very |
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| 13:12.13 | CAMCAM | sashz: ok |
| 13:12.20 | erics | CAMCAM: is this on a zaurus? |
| 13:12.21 | erics | wow |
| 13:12.34 | CAMCAM | erics: yes |
| 13:13.36 | erics | what does C7x0 mean? |
| 13:13.36 | mark | George`Coding: why? |
| 13:13.43 | erics | I have SL-5500 |
| 13:14.09 | sashz | CAMCAM for SL-C760 - turn off external PSU, extract battery, than put battery back, turn external PSU, press OK and ON |
| 13:14.31 | sashz | C7x0 mean what custom ROM work on C700 C750 and C760 |
| 13:15.20 | erics | sashz: the site you gave, this all works, which is the newest hybrid ROM? |
| 13:16.04 | George`Coding | mark: take a wild guess |
| 13:16.20 | sashz | 3.10 hybrid rom unstable, i use Qtopia 1.6 hybrid on my 5000d |
| 13:16.57 | CAMCAM | ok, I have it |
| 13:17.14 | CAMCAM | so menu option 4 |
| 13:17.31 | CAMCAM | cf |
| 13:17.37 | erics | sashz: ok, thanks, should I use the 34/30 to have some room to work? can I also move some dir's to my SD card? |
| 13:17.55 | CAMCAM | ok |
| 13:17.55 | sashz | yes initrd.bin and updater.sh on CF so CF is right |
| 13:17.57 | CAMCAM | ? |
| 13:18.21 | sashz | erics, cacko/crow use /home on sd |
| 13:18.26 | CAMCAM | need ac adaptator :) |
| 13:18.30 | sashz | camcam, yes :) |
| 13:18.56 | erics | sashz: yes! excellent! |
| 13:19.25 | CAMCAM | two menu (y) (n) |
| 13:19.27 | CAMCAM | Certainly y :) |
| 13:19.31 | sashz | :) |
| 13:20.01 | CAMCAM | it reboot |
| 13:20.08 | CAMCAM | flash erasing.. |
| 13:20.13 | sashz | Y - left button |
| 13:20.36 | CAMCAM | it's working.. |
| 13:20.47 | sashz | :) not forget after burning, format internal flash disk - 3 line in japanese menu |
| 13:21.14 | CAMCAM | in the same menu (ok + on) ? |
| 13:21.26 | sashz | yes |
| 13:21.36 | CAMCAM | it's now rebooting |
| 13:21.58 | sashz | ok, now you muxt format internal flash disk |
| 13:22.11 | CAMCAM | while it is rebooting ? |
| 13:22.27 | sashz | yes |
| 13:24.27 | CAMCAM | ok, i take the battery an ac out |
| 13:24.55 | CAMCAM | ... it should be formatting |
| 13:25.19 | erics | sashz: mentions a 'known bug in keymap', is that fixed? |
| 13:25.42 | CAMCAM | ok, now it is loading your copyrithed rom ;) |
| 13:25.51 | sashz | :) |
| 13:26.05 | CAMCAM | sorry, i should sa copyleft :) |
| 13:26.17 | sashz | erics - only reboot system after first booting for fix this bug :) |
| 13:27.20 | erics | ummm, reboot 2x then? |
| 13:28.04 | sashz | no, after first boting in qtopia, from Settings->shutdown->reboot. :) |
| 13:28.26 | erics | ok |
| 13:28.27 | erics | thanks |
| 13:28.32 | erics | gonna flash it now.... |
| 13:28.52 | sashz | i go for buy cocacola ;) |
| 13:28.55 | erics | does it use the normal sharp organizer? |
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| 13:29.44 | sashz | cacko/crow yes, sharp pim with DTM format |
| 13:32.37 | erics | must files be executable? |
| 13:32.37 | erics | from zip |
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| 13:32.38 | CAMCAM | sashz: here it is... |
| 13:32.38 | sashz | ÎÕÙ |
| 13:32.38 | sashz | yes |
| 13:32.38 | sashz | what there/ |
| 13:32.38 | CAMCAM | sashz: you icons are cool |
| 13:32.38 | erics | I am enjoying my sl-5500! |
| 13:32.39 | rev|desk | sashz |
| 13:32.43 | rev|desk | ket's see a screenshot man |
| 13:32.51 | rev|desk | or a url for an image for my C760 :) |
| 13:32.55 | CAMCAM | erics: and me my 760 ;) |
| 13:32.59 | smoyer | imk: I recovered my 256MB SD card and used the script you sent, but I'm still having filesystem corruption. Are there any special tricks you use to reboot/reset etc? |
| 13:33.14 | CAMCAM | sashz: tiny font in terminal ;) |
| 13:33.26 | sashz | http://cacko.biz/test321/slc7x0upd1.16.en.zip |
| 13:33.45 | CAMCAM | sashz: good work ! |
| 13:33.49 | sashz | select medium fixed |
| 13:34.06 | erics | sashz: I only have cf card 16 MB, don't fit... can I put it on SD? |
| 13:34.06 | CAMCAM | sashz: still tiny ;) |
| 13:34.11 | CAMCAM | yes |
| 13:34.13 | erics | and flash? |
| 13:34.13 | sashz | http://cacko.biz/~sash/slc7x0/eng-vers/ screenshots here |
| 13:34.26 | sashz | erics yes |
| 13:34.27 | CAMCAM | erics: http://www.multik.ru/english/zaurus/reflash/ |
| 13:35.00 | CAMCAM | the flashing menu support CF - SD (and something else but i don't remember) |
| 13:35.02 | sashz | erics, no, sorry, 5500/5000 only flashing from CF |
| 13:35.04 | erics | forgive me guys, new to this and being a bit carefuler than normal |
| 13:35.26 | erics | sashz: can I flash w/o the ipk's? and then install after? |
| 13:35.32 | CAMCAM | erics: not more tham me ;) |
| 13:36.01 | sashz | http://cacko.biz/files/zaurus/sl5500_cacko_beta-2.4.18.zip |
| 13:36.14 | sashz | than install ipks from http://cacko.biz/files/zaurus/cackorom-Applications.zip |
| 13:36.20 | erics | ok, thanks |
| 13:36.26 | CAMCAM | and you put opera !! Goooood... |
| 13:36.55 | CAMCAM | amazing !! |
| 13:37.00 | sashz | also fdisk top and mtr |
| 13:37.12 | sashz | but mtr working only from root |
| 13:37.25 | sashz | also there ftp server |
| 13:37.34 | CAMCAM | your rom is better than what Sharp provide ! |
| 13:38.06 | rev|desk | helluva lot less ugly that's for sure :) |
| 13:38.13 | erics | sashz: also have wireless support? |
| 13:38.40 | CAMCAM | strange, the system cpu usage is near of 100 % |
| 13:38.48 | rev|desk | CAMCAM: that's normal |
| 13:38.58 | sashz | erics, for wireless download this kernel http://cacko.biz/~sash/sl5500/zImage |
| 13:41.02 | CAMCAM | Why does the CPU system usage is normal ? |
| 13:41.25 | CAMCAM | Missing : application hot key are not set (Application key in settings). |
| 13:41.25 | rev|desk | idle process uses up what isn't actually used for real processing |
| 13:41.36 | CAMCAM | ok |
| 13:42.34 | rev|desk | sashz: i like your choice of fonts |
| 13:42.41 | erics | sashz: thanks |
| 13:43.06 | rev|desk | sashz: does your ROM do anything to make the input panels more usable? keyboard and handwriting on the C7x0 is way too tiny |
| 13:43.10 | CAMCAM | it's quiker that Sharp rom.. why ? |
| 13:44.07 | CAMCAM | compiler optimisation ? |
| 13:44.26 | CAMCAM | Do you need help to translate it into other language ;) ? |
| 13:45.00 | CAMCAM | I saw that most of the GPL part was on you CVS repository. |
| 13:45.07 | CAMCAM | have seen |
| 13:46.55 | CAMCAM | rev|desk: yes it does |
| 13:47.04 | rev|desk | ? |
| 13:47.25 | CAMCAM | ev|desk: is font is well (but so tiny in the terminal) |
| 13:47.55 | CAMCAM | rev|desk: and the keyboard and handwriting is improed |
| 13:47.57 | CAMCAM | improved |
| 13:48.03 | sashz | yes, i will add bigger size for inputnethods later, |
| 13:49.09 | sashz | CAMCAM, i have translated system in russian, but it not open source, because i made it for russian company, which gave us zauruses. this company sell zauruses in russia |
| 13:49.34 | erics | sashz: flashing! |
| 13:49.55 | CAMCAM | You get information / documentation from Sharp ? How mutch does it cost ? |
| 13:50.09 | CAMCAM | erics: :D |
| 13:50.25 | CAMCAM | erics: kill it :)= |
| 13:50.58 | sashz | no, no documentation from sharp :( me asked it, but no reply from sharp, so only reverse research :) |
| 13:52.01 | CAMCAM | I hope that they won't try to attack you for copirigth (although everyone that can use it should own a Zaurus) |
| 13:52.34 | sashz | :) i have all this zauruses so i can use this software and create rom :) |
| 13:52.35 | CAMCAM | It's a very good work ! My Z is now really usable |
| 13:53.06 | erics | sashz: root passwd garbled? |
| 13:53.09 | erics | on reboot |
| 13:53.11 | sashz | mean zauruses which include software putted in custom rom |
| 13:53.22 | sashz | erics, no root password |
| 13:53.45 | erics | ok, now need to install packages? |
| 13:54.19 | erics | no fstab? |
| 13:54.22 | erics | hmmm.... |
| 13:54.25 | CAMCAM | Where are you in the procedure ? |
| 13:54.49 | erics | flashed, then hard reset, then cover on, start |
| 13:55.02 | erics | get boot pic and SD cannot be mounted.... |
| 13:55.25 | CAMCAM | do you format (option 3) |
| 13:55.55 | CAMCAM | Have you formated after flashing |
| 13:56.00 | erics | I am doing it via small CF card, so only initrd and zimage |
| 13:56.08 | erics | now trying to format SD card |
| 13:56.25 | CAMCAM | You should stop the device while rebooting |
| 13:56.31 | CAMCAM | and go into on + start |
| 13:56.38 | sashz | camcam, erics use 5500 |
| 13:56.50 | sashz | there nothing for japanese service menu |
| 13:56.55 | CAMCAM | ok, sorry ;) |
| 13:57.01 | erics | hehe |
| 13:57.05 | CAMCAM | ;) |
| 13:57.39 | CAMCAM | I was too concentrated on mine... |
| 13:58.03 | erics | just repartitioned... with fdisk and now mkfs |
| 13:58.26 | erics | will not write partion table.... |
| 13:59.13 | erics | is this aways such a problem with 256 mb SD's? |
| 13:59.59 | CAMCAM | erics: boy, this is why I have decided to boycott those card |
| 14:00.40 | erics | well, back to the open zaurus... |
| 14:00.52 | erics | sashz: your fdisk also does not partion it... |
| 14:01.54 | sashz | http://www.schwag.org/~crow/cacko/flash_instructions.html |
| 14:03.17 | erics | wow, second boot is serious fschking... |
| 14:04.21 | erics | sashz: is this the process you are descibing in your install instructions? I had the sd card in during reboot... oops |
| 14:05.18 | erics | sashz: also, I have only the initrd and zImage now, still need to put the second set of ipks on... when to do this? |
| 14:05.36 | erics | it is currently fixing the inodes on SD I think |
| 14:06.06 | sashz | in cacko/crow rom you dont need put ipks on sd while flashing, you can install it later |
| 14:06.33 | erics | ok, will do after / if this every gets thru my SD card.... damn are these things a pain |
| 14:07.03 | mark | can someone explain to me why this 3com card is connected to my motherboard? 3 wires with a plug either end.. |
| 14:07.14 | erics | message on screen : /dev/mtdblock1: ***** FILE SYSTEM WAS MODIFIED **** |
| 14:07.44 | erics | /dev/mtdblock1: 12/11264 files ................. etc being checked |
| 14:08.01 | erics | that is the internal memory device right? RAM or ROM? |
| 14:08.10 | sashz | aaaa, ;) i forgot, so long time was when i booting cacko/crow |
| 14:08.24 | sashz | mtdblock1 mapped on sd card ;) |
| 14:08.43 | erics | aaah, so that is why takes so long... 256 is slow (10 min or so to format) |
| 14:08.50 | erics | I go get coffee |
| 14:08.56 | sashz | me too :) |
| 14:09.00 | erics | hehe |
| 14:10.37 | festr | updating opie 1.0 on fresh OZ3.2 is broken, anyone succesfull with this/ |
| 14:10.38 | festr | ? |
| 14:10.43 | festr | (sorry for my english :) ) |
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| 14:18.11 | smoyer | erics: I just had this problem ... use the fdisk found here: http://docs.zaurus.com/feed |
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| 14:42.07 | festr | anyone have tryed http://opie.net.wox.org/openzaurus/oz-snapshot-030814-1819/ ? |
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| 14:49.52 | rev|desk | nooope |
| 14:51.55 | liyang | I note that there have been many attempts at converting Japanese Zaurus models to work in English... has anyone ever tried the reverse? |
| 14:52.56 | liyang | (Slightly less ambitiously, how can I get Japanese text display / input support for my 5600...? :) |
| 14:54.10 | sashz | hmm hmm :) try flash b500 initrd to your 5600 |
| 14:54.30 | sashz | because japan b500 = english 5600 ;) |
| 14:54.51 | liyang | How would I go about backing up my original ROM though? |
| 14:55.44 | sashz | i guess you can do lowlevel backup similar as for SL-C7x0s |
| 14:56.28 | liyang | (meaning? Sorry, I'm a bit clueless... only got my Z this week.) |
| 14:57.16 | sashz | press M+D keys and reset |
| 14:57.34 | sashz | than from service menu in page 3 - NAND Flash Back Up |
| 14:57.38 | liyang | Oh, I'm going to need a CF card for that aren't I. Hrm... |
| 14:57.45 | sashz | you need CF or SD card |
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| 15:09.12 | erics | hi again |
| 15:10.47 | liyang | How recent is v1.2 for the B500? I'm guessing the version numbers don't go up at the same time as the English / 5600 one... |
| 15:14.50 | erics | sashz: your fdisk won't write my /dev/mmcda partition table with fdisk.... aarrrgggg |
| 15:16.03 | smoyer | erics: I just had this problem ... use the fdisk found here: http://docs.zaurus.com/feed. Then run it like this: /usr/sbin/fdisk /dev/mmcda |
| 15:16.08 | sashz | hmm, strange... maybe you card very big (256 MB) :) i have only 64MB and it work well |
| 15:16.24 | erics | yep... well back to open zaurus... |
| 15:17.31 | smoyer | erics: OZ fdisk has the same problem. It has to do with the timing on large flash cards (mostly the SanDisk ones from what I read in the archive) |
| 15:18.42 | erics | smoyer: ok, thnaks |
| 15:20.21 | erics | smoyer: damn thingsj! |
| 15:21.15 | erics | smoyer: works ok if you reduce the inodes down to 700 per 16mb |
| 15:21.38 | erics | I found this somewhere on a list based on a 16MB card, I just multiplied by 16! |
| 15:22.13 | smoyer | erics: cool, one less package to find on a flesh install |
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| 15:23.10 | erics | but still need the fdisk package you mentioned.... just mke2fs -N (700xMB's) /dev/mmcda1 |
| 15:24.24 | smoyer | erics: I'm using a script from the OZ FAQ to boot everything from SD, but I'm getting alot of filesystem corruption. I wonder whether it's also a timing problem and could be fixed by your find? |
| 15:26.19 | rev|desk | heh |
| 15:26.23 | erics | not sure... seems really sloppy these SD disks.... more driver work needed seems best to me |
| 15:26.23 | rev|desk | i just got an idea |
| 15:26.34 | rev|desk | i have a newton |
| 15:26.36 | rev|desk | and a zaurus |
| 15:26.40 | rev|desk | both with wifi cards |
| 15:26.50 | rev|desk | and the newton with a vnc server and the z with a client |
| 15:27.11 | smoyer | erics: Do you mean mke2fs -N (43 x MB's) /dev/mmcda1? |
| 15:27.38 | erics | no, it is inodes after -N so 700 inodes per 16MB of SD you have |
| 15:27.56 | erics | I have 256 so its 16 x 700 = -N 11200 |
| 15:28.18 | erics | but this is not a perfect solution and no promises that it is stable... |
| 15:28.59 | smoyer | erics: right but 700xMB = 700x256 = 179200 |
| 15:29.22 | erics | ok, I see what you mean, yeah, 43x each MB |
| 15:29.23 | erics | sorry |
| 15:29.40 | erics | I didn't even break it down that far! ;-) |
| 15:30.41 | smoyer | erics: np, just wanted to get the right number ... I'll let you know whether it fixes the corruption, but it will be a while to transfer the root system again. |
| 15:32.44 | smoyer | erics: one of the nice things about the pivot_root environment set-up by the script is that I can pop the SD out and boot off the clean RAM filesystem |
| 15:32.51 | erics | hehe, yep brb, new kernel here too, rebooting |
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| 15:40.16 | erics | better! |
| 15:41.04 | smoyer | I'm still waiting. Even with the noatime and async params, the SD is slower than the internal flash |
| 15:41.14 | erics | yep, horrible |
| 15:41.59 | smoyer | In fact, I think my mke2fs is hung. Can't even kill -9 it |
| 15:42.24 | rev|desk | heh |
| 15:42.26 | rev|desk | i thought you said |
| 15:42.27 | erics | takes a long time here, more than 10-15 min |
| 15:42.34 | rev|desk | In fact, I think mike is hung. |
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| 15:43.03 | smoyer | I don't know anything that personal about any Mike! |
| 15:43.36 | erics | # mkdir opt |
| 15:43.36 | erics | mkdir: Cannot create directory `opt': Input/output error |
| 15:43.43 | erics | this is what I get.... sigh |
| 15:43.52 | smoyer | Running to lunch ... be back around 1230 EST with news |
| 15:44.19 | smoyer | From the proot script? |
| 15:44.54 | erics | no trying to mkdir on /mnt/card |
| 15:45.23 | erics | it mounts but (rw even) no write allowed? |
| 15:46.22 | smoyer | yep, that's the same corruption I'm seeing. If you unmount and fsck it, you'll get LOTS of errors |
| 15:47.17 | smoyer | Is this a problem with the SanDisk 256MB SD? They were so cheap at Best Buy this week |
| 16:01.34 | rev|desk | does the bigger battery on the 5600 stick out? |
| 16:02.09 | treke | rev|desk: the 5600 has a big butt |
| 16:02.19 | rev|desk | ah k |
| 16:02.21 | rev|desk | that's what i thought |
| 16:03.00 | treke | most pictures try to hide it, |
| 16:04.15 | treke | they often will show the little stands on the back that they added so it can lie flat :p |
| 16:04.45 | rev|desk | yeah |
| 16:04.46 | rev|desk | heh |
| 16:05.00 | treke | http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/handhelds/5f48/zoom/. you can see them there |
| 16:05.07 | treke | up at the top on the back |
| 16:07.48 | rev|desk | ah |
| 16:10.00 | erics | ok see you all again soon, time for dinner and movie! |
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| 16:21.19 | liyang | rev|desk: the extrusion from the battery actually functions pretty nicely as a grip for when you're typing... |
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| 16:25.21 | rev|desk | ah koo |
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| 16:54.00 | smoyer | imk: I recovered my 256MB SD card and used the script you sent, but I'm still having filesystem corruption. Are there any special tricks you use to format/reboot/reset etc? |
| 16:54.52 | imk | what do you mean by fs corruption? |
| 16:56.17 | smoyer | running fsck on the filesystem reports thousands of errors (unmounted of course). erics suggested using -N 11200 inodes |
| 16:57.16 | imk | wow |
| 16:57.51 | imk | no idea... mine works... and when i crash... i fsck the SD card... and theres maybe one or two 0 inode probs but those arent serious |
| 16:57.55 | treke | card ciykd ve dead' |
| 16:57.58 | treke | card could be dead |
| 17:04.02 | smoyer | brand new card |
| 17:05.10 | smoyer | it sure doesn't seem to like 11200 inodes 40 minutes to format ... so far |
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| 17:21.21 | malfman | I installed the zaurus crosscompiler, binutils, glibc and headers. Now I want to compile tinyfugue and played around with environment variables (CC=arm-linux-gcc) and configure options like ./configure arm-linux but none has the wanted effect. What is the right way to do it? |
| 17:22.03 | malfman | I added the the cross-compilers to the PATH... |
| 17:22.47 | treke | depends on the app. --build, --host, and --target for the configure script will usually do what you want |
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| 17:23.03 | sashz | ./configure --host=arm-linux --target=arm-linux --build=i386-linux |
| 17:25.00 | malfman | checking for gcc... (cached) gcc |
| 17:25.00 | malfman | checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) works... yes |
| 17:25.01 | malfman | checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) is a cross-compiler... no |
| 17:25.45 | treke | it doesnt use autoconf in debian :) |
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| 17:26.04 | malfman | that means? |
| 17:30.40 | malfman | I made some symlinks, but the configure aborts at "checking size of short... configure: error: can not run test program while cross compiling" |
| 17:38.05 | malfman | What are the sizes of shorts, ints and longs? Then I could hardcode them in the configure file... |
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| 18:00.04 | kyngel | Malfman, try running configure with the option --with-build-cc=gcc |
| 18:00.15 | kyngel | I think I had to do the same thing when I was building ncurses. |
| 18:02.42 | kyngel | By the way, I'd be real interested in the binary if you get tinyfugue built. |
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| 18:21.10 | rev|desk | heh |
| 18:21.13 | rev|desk | offroadgeak |
| 18:22.05 | phoen][x | I SNEAK PAST THE GEORGE- |
| 18:22.08 | offroadgeek | hey all |
| 18:22.14 | rev|desk | sup off |
| 18:22.39 | offroadgeek | not much... took the day off work.. |
| 18:22.49 | George- | phoen][x: you bastard |
| 18:23.02 | phoen][x | George-: hell, how did you know? |
| 18:23.52 | George- | phoen][x: bleh |
| 18:23.55 | offroadgeek | quite today...? |
| 18:25.46 | phoen][x | fine |
| 18:25.52 | phoen][x | you guys scared him away |
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| 18:26.36 | rev|desk | haha |
| 18:26.37 | rev|desk | SUCKER |
| 18:26.43 | rev|desk | and george lured him back |
| 18:26.45 | rev|desk | the old fashioned way |
| 18:26.49 | phoen][x | hehehhe |
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| 18:30.10 | George- | rev|desk: wtf |
| 18:30.21 | George- | MOOO |
| 18:36.33 | mark | George-: hi |
| 18:37.03 | George- | hi mark |
| 18:39.34 | rev|desk | haha |
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| 18:45.11 | rev|desk | sup |
| 18:46.22 | yeiazel | has anyone done a power adapter for plugging a zaurus into a car's cigar lighter ? |
| 18:47.48 | phoen][x | you can buy them for a couple of euros |
| 18:48.10 | yeiazel | oh ? |
| 18:48.17 | yeiazel | haven't seen any on xtops |
| 18:48.52 | yeiazel | where can I get them ? |
| 18:49.03 | phoen][x | well, i know a german shop where you can get one |
| 18:49.21 | yeiazel | but it's far from paris :) |
| 18:49.32 | phoen][x | well, yeah |
| 18:49.46 | yeiazel | I'll ask some power/battery specialist if he can make one |
| 18:49.48 | phoen][x | i got mine for 10EUR |
| 18:50.06 | yeiazel | he's already made an ac adaptor |
| 18:50.31 | yeiazel | (cheaper than the official one) |
| 18:50.33 | phoen][x | it shouldnt be that hard |
| 18:50.48 | yeiazel | sure |
| 18:50.57 | yeiazel | I need it for the next weekend |
| 18:50.59 | phoen][x | i'm no expert (well, i dont have a clue about that stuff), but its an adaptor with a cable - thats pretty much it |
| 18:53.29 | rev|desk | man |
| 18:53.39 | rev|desk | i sure wanted one of those suckers on my flight to and from London |
| 18:53.42 | rev|desk | would've been rad |
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| 19:00.06 | Solar[X] | phoen][x: is that german shop online and does it send to NL? |
| 19:01.11 | phoen][x | Solar[X]: its online, but i'm not sure if they deliver to NL |
| 19:01.35 | Solar[X] | Could you share the address with me? :) |
| 19:02.48 | phoen][x | well lets see if i can dig it up |
| 19:03.21 | Solar[X] | Ok thanks |
| 19:04.17 | phoen][x | now that's why i use IMAP |
| 19:04.40 | phoen][x | found it. digging up a direct link. |
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| 19:06.21 | phoen][x | got it. either way my memory is really bad, or they doubled the price on that item: http://www.haid-services.de/pd1320864361.htm?defaultVariants={EOL}&categoryId=19 |
| 19:06.48 | phoen][x | anyways, food |
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| 19:20.51 | sashz | night ppl |
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| 20:49.58 | TCMAN | hi |
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| 20:53.25 | TCMAN | George-: how is the weather? |
| 20:55.43 | George- | fine |
| 20:56.01 | TCMAN | George-: still roasting ? |
| 20:56.35 | imk | it was 116 yesterday here =/ |
| 21:04.24 | George- | TCMAN: no |
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