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00:48.11 | rabbit_uk | hello |
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00:55.43 | *** topic/#zaurus is Sharp 5000d/5500/5600/A300/C700/etc Discussion - http://developer.sharpsec.com/ || http://MyZaurus.com/ || OpenZaurus 3.1rc1 now available for testing - #openzaurus || SL-5600 announced || NEW: www.zaurus.com open for business, with SourceForge features! |
00:56.08 | Com[Plex] | kergoth |
00:57.01 | Com[Plex] | I called ups for the 6th time. - they gave me the run around, but told me to call sharp and ask them if they received it |
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00:57.35 | Com[Plex] | I called sharp, they DID receive it, and are replacing the motherboard in it. |
00:57.48 | Com[Plex] | btu the part is backordered. :< |
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01:10.45 | Com[Plex] | Im surprised that they couldnt just reprogram it... but maybe thats just policy ? |
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02:33.34 | Com[Plex] | kergoth |
02:33.40 | Com[Plex] | you there? |
02:33.54 | Com[Plex] | I called ups for the 6th time. - they gave me the run around, but told me to call sharp and ask them if they received it |
02:34.15 | Com[Plex] | I called sharp, they DID receive it, and are replacing the motherboard in it. Im surprised that they couldnt just reprogram it... but maybe thats just policy ? |
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02:34.50 | Com[Plex] | although.. they didnt say "motherboard" - they said "board"- unspecific.. |
02:36.01 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: heh, damn |
02:37.45 | Pendalar | can't get this damn thing to like my wifi card ;-) |
02:37.58 | Pendalar | I added the key with iwconfig but it laughs at me |
02:38.46 | Pendalar | laughs loudly I might add |
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02:45.49 | warmi | hi |
02:47.41 | mark | hi knights |
02:47.49 | mark | knights? |
02:47.50 | mark | warmi :P |
02:47.55 | mark | my brain is too preoccupied :) |
02:49.43 | warmi | mark: yeah .. making a lot of dough with this game |
02:49.43 | warmi | hehe |
02:49.52 | warmi | no wonder you are "preocupied" |
02:50.07 | mark | i just had a sale with a c-700 listed as the device, didn't realise they were for sale yet |
02:50.55 | treke|home | might have been bigboss :) |
02:50.55 | warmi | I don't think they are out |
02:51.02 | mark | no, its japanese |
02:51.02 | warmi | at least that's what Jason said |
02:51.14 | warmi | there were only like 2 devices in the whole world according to him |
02:52.50 | mark | yeah. thats what i thought. and its not an @sharp.jp address |
02:54.02 | warmi | if you think of it ... you could get like 3 c700 for that money you made with Knights .. |
02:54.23 | warmi | and I remember you were wondering if it was worth it to charge for it .. |
02:55.12 | Neo|Work | they are for sale |
02:55.15 | Neo|Work | and mind you, sold out |
02:55.21 | warmi | where ? |
02:55.28 | Neo|Work | In Japan of course. :P |
02:55.43 | warmi | I just read Jason comments about only 2 existing C700 like couple of weeks ago |
02:55.49 | Neo|Work | went on sale last Friday |
02:55.53 | warmi | really ? |
02:55.57 | mark | warmi: yeah, i remember that :) |
02:55.57 | Neo|Work | yes |
02:55.58 | DaWorm | yeah |
02:56.02 | DaWorm | they just went out |
02:56.04 | Neo|Work | ditto with the SL-5600 equivalent |
02:56.05 | warmi | that quite fast - going from 2 prototypes to production |
02:56.14 | kergoth | b500, yeah i've got a user who wants OZ on it |
02:56.17 | kergoth | heh |
02:56.21 | kergoth | as if we even have kernel sources yet |
02:56.27 | DaWorm | hehe |
02:56.34 | DaWorm | let him donate stuff |
02:56.53 | Neo|Work | ah, they just added the C700 and B500 to Handango |
02:57.02 | Neo|Work | weren't there a few days ago when I added Motocross Stunt Racer |
02:57.24 | DaWorm | Neo|Work: of course, you'll target those platforms as well when you get yours? |
02:57.32 | warmi | NeoTron: btw Motocross graphics looks really amazing |
02:57.37 | warmi | it is 2d , right ? |
02:57.42 | Neo|Work | warmi: voxels.. |
02:57.47 | DaWorm | volume pixel stuff |
02:57.49 | Neo|Work | it's a rendered landscape yes |
02:57.49 | DaWorm | hehe |
02:57.57 | Neo|Work | meaning not 3D landscape |
02:58.14 | DaWorm | it has a good perspective though |
02:58.18 | DaWorm | great illussion |
02:58.20 | Neo|Work | yeah, quite |
02:58.23 | warmi | well, voxels are 3d 0 in the sense that you have height map + x + y position |
02:58.28 | warmi | so it is 3d of sorts |
02:58.29 | kergoth | MSR, i shoudl buy that |
02:58.59 | Neo|Work | MSR is nice because the difficulty is imho quite good |
02:59.03 | DaWorm | i cant wait for Hyperspace too |
02:59.07 | DaWorm | yah |
02:59.08 | Neo|Work | starts out relatively easy getting challenging in the end |
02:59.14 | DaWorm | i can't even go 1st place on the demo |
02:59.27 | kergoth | i never did buy IF or a couple others i wanted |
02:59.29 | Neo|Work | DaWorm: ouch. :P But, you don't need first place to continue |
02:59.32 | warmi | these voxels look great .. normally you get effect of pixelation like old Commanche game for PC |
02:59.35 | warmi | but these look great |
02:59.43 | Neo|Work | DaWorm: in either case, it's quite easy if you take the shortcut |
02:59.52 | DaWorm | yah |
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03:00.05 | kergoth | eek |
03:00.24 | Pendalar | that was funny.. enabled the zaurus in network, and it tried to route all inet functions through the Z |
03:00.34 | warmi | kergoth: well, considering how busy you are with OZ - I am surprised you have time for anything else at all |
03:00.34 | Pendalar | better start pimpin |
03:00.38 | Neo|Work | kergoth: isn't house payments fun? |
03:00.48 | kergoth | Neo|Work: ohhhh yeah |
03:00.48 | Neo|Work | they ARE fun when it is time to pay taxes though |
03:00.58 | Neo|Work | because you can save a heck of a whole lof |
03:00.59 | kergoth | i havent had my first year's tax time since buying the house yet |
03:01.05 | DaWorm | Neo|Work: i just wonder though, my wife is a zaurus user too...can i install a single app in 2 devices? |
03:01.06 | Neo|Work | anyhow, going home |
03:01.25 | Neo|Work | you CAN. it's up to you to decide if you feel it to be morally correct |
03:01.37 | kergoth | warmi: trying to have a real life, work full time, manage OZ, and learn kernel dev, is tough |
03:01.38 | DaWorm | right gotcha..just making sure |
03:01.43 | mark | hmm, is networking two zaurii via IR possible? |
03:01.50 | Neo|Work | it really ISN't but I obviously can't stop you (if I could I would - i.e if there was a unique user id or something) |
03:01.55 | warmi | kergoth: not to mention being in Minnesota .. |
03:01.57 | warmi | j/k |
03:01.58 | warmi | :-) |
03:01.59 | kergoth | warmi: hehe |
03:02.12 | kergoth | warmi: i'll never get out of tech support here. market is even more dead than it is elsewhere |
03:02.33 | warmi | you will , everything takes time |
03:03.08 | warmi | you can't expect to do cool shit as a 20 year old .... you got to do your share of shitty jobs .. :-) |
03:03.21 | kergoth | hehe |
03:03.28 | DaWorm | yeah |
03:03.30 | DaWorm | hehe |
03:03.35 | kergoth | well i've done -retail- sales, cashiering, warehouse, and tech support so far |
03:03.45 | DaWorm | my 1st job after college wasn't even computer related |
03:03.46 | kergoth | is that enough shit jobs or do i need more? :P |
03:03.48 | DaWorm | i did legal research |
03:03.50 | DaWorm | hehe |
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03:04.22 | warmi | kergoth: well, you are getting closer to cooler stuff .. |
03:04.31 | kergoth | yeah, definately an improvement |
03:04.40 | warmi | I mean, just a couple of years ago you didn't even know what kernel was .. |
03:04.47 | warmi | heh |
03:04.55 | DaWorm | heh |
03:04.57 | kergoth | well, i was building them in 94/95 in HS |
03:05.01 | kergoth | so i knew what they were |
03:05.02 | kergoth | ;) |
03:05.06 | warmi | HS ? |
03:05.09 | kergoth | course i didnt learn C until 2 years ago |
03:05.10 | kergoth | high school |
03:05.10 | DaWorm | wow |
03:05.15 | warmi | ah , right |
03:05.17 | DaWorm | in HS i was reading playboy |
03:05.17 | kergoth | 14/15 at the time |
03:05.22 | kergoth | DaWorm: well that too |
03:05.23 | mark | kergoth: writing in what? |
03:05.23 | kergoth | hehe |
03:05.29 | warmi | so what kind o language were you using ? |
03:05.54 | mark | ;) |
03:05.56 | kergoth | at 8 i was coding in basic, wanted to learn c desperately but never did |
03:05.59 | warmi | DaWorm: reading? .. well, that's pushing it |
03:06.05 | kergoth | didnt code for about 6 years |
03:06.10 | DaWorm | ok i was reading the articles |
03:06.11 | kergoth | learned visual basic. eww. |
03:06.12 | DaWorm | hehe |
03:06.20 | kergoth | didnt code for another year, learned x86 assembly, had fun with that |
03:06.26 | kergoth | then didnt code again for about 4 years |
03:06.29 | kergoth | that brings us up to date |
03:06.29 | kergoth | heh |
03:06.43 | warmi | kergoth: yeah, the natural way is to start with asm and then progress to C and then to all that OO stuff |
03:06.45 | DaWorm | i almost went to law school after college |
03:06.54 | warmi | that way you know exactly dos and don'ts ... |
03:07.00 | kergoth | warmi: yep |
03:07.02 | warmi | stuff that objects just don't come out of nowhere etc .. |
03:07.04 | kergoth | warmi: basic fucked me up |
03:07.18 | kergoth | warmi: but learning asm, then c, then c++ has straightened me back out |
03:07.19 | kergoth | :) |
03:07.24 | mark | i've learnt in the worst possible way. basic straight to Qt stuff |
03:07.26 | warmi | a lot of coders , especially Java dudes, don't really understand what lies beneath |
03:07.41 | kergoth | i cant stand doing something without knowing whats going on underneith |
03:07.43 | kergoth | it just bothers me |
03:07.47 | warmi | hmm ... looks like everyone still starts with basic |
03:08.07 | warmi | just like it was 15 years ago when I started |
03:08.27 | warmi | except these days basic is kick ass OO with all kinds of nonsense on top of it |
03:08.34 | kergoth | i remember writing a app to calculate PI at 11, that was fun |
03:08.42 | kergoth | had to study a lot to understand what i needed to do |
03:08.58 | DaWorm | more than you needed to at the age i assume |
03:09.01 | DaWorm | :) |
03:09.05 | kergoth | of course |
03:09.08 | kergoth | it wouldve been boring otherwise |
03:09.40 | warmi | at 11 I was running from tree to tree fighting either Imperial Troopers or some other menace .. |
03:09.47 | DaWorm | ahhh when i was at that age, all i cared about was nintendo and bmx |
03:09.57 | warmi | DaWorm: same here |
03:10.03 | DaWorm | and transformers |
03:10.05 | DaWorm | hehe |
03:10.20 | DaWorm | and he-man |
03:10.40 | kergoth | well i did all that too |
03:10.52 | kergoth | just on the weekends, i'd go to my dads house. he had a computer :) |
03:11.00 | Pendalar | what is the default usb connection ip in qtopia? |
03:11.23 | warmi | mark: so , are you going to buy c700 ? |
03:11.25 | Pendalar | I seem to have messed with it and 'revert' doesn't revert |
03:12.09 | mark | warmi: tempted. but by the time i pay shipping/import tax its very expensive |
03:12.30 | kergoth | mark: wait for the english port |
03:12.36 | kergoth | mark: from dynamism |
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03:12.47 | kergoth | mark: pricy, but will be nice |
03:12.50 | warmi | it is going to be even more expensive |
03:13.08 | kergoth | yep. |
03:13.09 | mark | kergoth: or i could take up a challenge and try and get OZ running on it :) |
03:13.18 | warmi | and , if Sharp ever decides to release official US/European version of C700 there gonna be issues with compatibility etc .. |
03:13.19 | kergoth | mark: get me the kernel sources and we're done. |
03:13.24 | kergoth | mark: :) |
03:13.41 | mark | kergoth: not released yet? |
03:13.59 | kergoth | mark: itll be months no doubt |
03:14.03 | kergoth | mark: same way the 5000d was |
03:14.08 | DaWorm | developer site doesnt have it yet eh |
03:14.09 | mark | warmi: software hardcoded to 240x320? |
03:14.18 | warmi | neo said something about C700 being available on amazon ? |
03:14.43 | warmi | uh .. handango .. |
03:14.45 | warmi | never mind |
03:14.59 | mark | kergoth: hmm, just need to get someone to ask for it.. does the GPL allow them to take months? :) |
03:14.59 | warmi | as a category for developers |
03:15.16 | mark | chouimat: wine? |
03:15.24 | warmi | mark: not so much hardcoded screen size but there will be many other issues.. |
03:15.31 | chouimat | mark: not winshit on another box |
03:15.33 | warmi | does anyone which Qte/Qtopia version C700 will run ? |
03:15.44 | mark | iirc harlekin thought it was 1.5 again |
03:16.09 | warmi | meaning good old qt 2.3.2 hehe |
03:16.20 | warmi | without all that "cool" qt 3.x stuff |
03:17.02 | mark | sharp shoulda moved to qt3 and gcc3.2 for the 5600 while the user base is still small. |
03:17.39 | warmi | well, perhaps .. |
03:18.02 | warmi | on the other hand they do have 500+ apps available for 5500 devices |
03:18.04 | mark | i just see the move getting harder and harder rather than easier and easier |
03:18.15 | kergoth | warmi: 90% of which only need slight changes to build with gcc3.2 and qt3 |
03:18.23 | warmi | kergoth: yeah but someone has to do it |
03:18.42 | mark | someone would *have* to do it for commercial software if they wanted to continue selling. so they would |
03:18.45 | kergoth | warmi: the open source ones are easy. shit i'll do it and add half of them into the oz feeds directly |
03:18.49 | kergoth | mark: right |
03:19.06 | warmi | kergoth: well, I am not saying that it would be difficult but it would take some time |
03:19.17 | warmi | but perhaps mark is right .. better now than later |
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03:19.58 | warmi | mark: get yourself A300 or b500 or whatever the latest Zaurus is |
03:20.26 | warmi | mark: what percentage of your sales comes from Japanese users ? |
03:20.28 | warmi | is it a lot ? |
03:20.32 | mark | no |
03:20.33 | mark | tiny |
03:20.52 | warmi | well, chess is not exactly a national pastime in Japan |
03:20.52 | mark | <2% |
03:21.00 | mark | warmi: i'm working on that ;) |
03:21.00 | warmi | frankly, if you were to port go .. |
03:21.08 | warmi | you would make some serious money over there |
03:21.18 | warmi | gnu-go ? |
03:21.28 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
03:21.33 | mark | doesnt go ship with qtopia/ |
03:21.34 | TheMasterMind1 | opie-go exists no? |
03:21.36 | TheMasterMind1 | i have it on my Z |
03:21.41 | mark | TheMasterMind1: yeah that what i was thinking |
03:21.42 | DaWorm | gomoku-moro is nice |
03:21.50 | TheMasterMind1 | dunno about default rom |
03:21.53 | warmi | mark: I don't think it is any good |
03:22.16 | mark | http://home.no.net/morosoft/ |
03:22.30 | warmi | I mean, how much time can your average Trolls developer spend developing go game for Qtopia |
03:22.30 | warmi | hehe |
03:23.09 | warmi | is gomoku the same as go ? |
03:23.20 | mark | variant maybe |
03:23.36 | DaWorm | its almost the same |
03:23.41 | warmi | The game is currently available for the Qtopia application environment for handheld computers on Linux, X11 on Linux and for MS Windows desktop systems. |
03:23.41 | DaWorm | except the chinese game has a smaller board |
03:23.43 | numatrix | warmi: board size is the difference |
03:23.55 | warmi | that's interesting .... windows version running under Qtopia enviroment ? |
03:24.00 | mark | how good are computers at go? |
03:24.11 | warmi | ah "and" for Windows desktop system |
03:24.13 | DaWorm | Go is 19x19 |
03:24.17 | numatrix | mark: better than me. :-) |
03:24.20 | warmi | never mind .. |
03:24.21 | DaWorm | gomoku is 15x15 |
03:24.28 | numatrix | mark: But that doesn't mean much. |
03:25.01 | mark | warmi: trying to work out a deal to port a golf game over with some firm in korea is being an absolute nightmare |
03:25.01 | numatrix | Hmm; didn't the original sharp rom come with go? Or did someone already mention that here. |
03:25.13 | numatrix | mark: pocketpc game? |
03:25.22 | mark | numatrix: yeah. iGolf |
03:25.22 | warmi | golf game ? |
03:25.32 | warmi | yeah, you said something about PocketPC port |
03:25.53 | mark | their english is awful which makes it near impossible |
03:26.05 | badl | ppc is arse ;) |
03:26.09 | numatrix | mark: Impossible to coordinate, or impossible to port? |
03:26.19 | mark | coordinate |
03:26.58 | warmi | http://www.handango.com/PlatformProductDetail.jsp?siteId=1&jid=BEB1FB9DAE455F22287952719B64D8D9&productId=32232&optionId=1_2_2&productType=2&catalog=30&txtSearch=igolf§ionId=0&platformId=2 |
03:27.00 | warmi | is that it ? |
03:27.03 | numatrix | http://www.pocketmatrix.com/reviews/iGolf/ |
03:27.07 | numatrix | Little prettier link. |
03:27.17 | numatrix | It looks amazing. |
03:27.19 | warmi | well, yeah .. blame handango for that :-) |
03:27.39 | mark | numatrix: thats iGolf2, iGolf doesnt look quite as neat |
03:27.42 | numatrix | warmi: Believe me, I know. Sanitizing handango links on ZSI is on my todo list. ;-) |
03:27.54 | numatrix | mark: Really? Bummer. Why are you only going after the first one instead of the sequel? |
03:28.06 | mark | they want me to pay an upfront fee which includes a certain number of sales which i dont have to pay them commission and then split revenue after that |
03:28.16 | warmi | mark: that's risky .. |
03:28.26 | warmi | especially with Zaurus market/future being as it is now |
03:28.26 | mark | warmi: i know. i'm not gonna do it. |
03:28.43 | mark | numatrix: they have additional courses for iGolf and not for iGolf2 basically. |
03:29.09 | DaWorm | hey that game looks great |
03:29.25 | mark | and iGolf2 was too expensive for the market i think |
03:29.36 | badl | mark: are you wanting to port iGolf? |
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03:31.43 | mark | badl: yes. but communicating with barely english speakign koreans is far from easy |
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03:31.58 | badl | mark: would you do the port in Perl? |
03:32.19 | mark | badl: i hope thats a sick joke :P |
03:32.41 | badl | mark: along the lines of yours ;) (re: kern dev) |
03:33.08 | mark | badl: hehe |
03:33.22 | mark | damn its nearly 4am |
03:33.59 | badl | good stuff |
03:37.51 | numatrix | Holy cow: http://reviews.pocketnow.com/content.cgi?db=reviews&id=178 There really are some amazing pocketpc games. |
03:38.10 | DaWorm | yeah, have you seen age of empires |
03:39.16 | badl | yeah AGES is looking hot! |
03:40.47 | warmi | well, it looks hot but I am not sure playing AOE on 200x320 screen is so hot |
03:40.56 | numatrix | That's cool; it doesn't look too advanced beyond, say, strategic assault based on this screenshot: http://www.ppczone.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=287 |
03:41.04 | warmi | and I am huge AOK fan .. frankly, I personally think that AOK is the best game ever |
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03:47.54 | warmi | mark: ask Neo about average sale figures for commercial quality games on Zaurus and see if porting deal makes any sense |
03:49.58 | mark | warmi: they're low - but apparently golf is very popular in japan.. so thats really what i'm aiming for |
03:50.30 | kergoth | someone needs to do a pinball game |
03:50.49 | mark | kergoth: if this golf goes ahead a pinball will follow |
03:50.56 | warmi | kergoth: yeah ... I thought about creating that for the Trolls contest but it was too much work |
03:51.05 | kergoth | mark: yay |
03:51.05 | numatrix | kergoth: Or even better, this pinball (sorta) game: http://www.pocketmatrix.com/reviews/rebound/ |
03:51.09 | warmi | you need all the hand drawn backgrounds etc .. |
03:51.27 | kergoth | bah, i need regular pinball damnit |
03:51.29 | kergoth | :) |
03:51.56 | warmi | the physics engine would be relatively easy to do .. |
03:52.02 | warmi | the problem is the graphics etc . |
03:52.16 | kergoth | yep |
03:52.18 | warmi | mark: which pinball game would you be porting ? |
03:52.20 | kergoth | good sound.. |
03:52.24 | numatrix | kergoth: Too bad linball never got too far: http://www.libsdl.org/pipermail/sdl/2001-December/040926.html That would have been nice. |
03:53.03 | warmi | numatrix: they wanna do this using Mesa and 3d |
03:53.12 | numatrix | warmi: Yeah, I just noticed that. |
03:54.50 | numatrix | hmm, or http://pinball.sourceforge.net/ That is opengl as well. Dang it, why can't someone do a straight up 2d pinball in sdl? |
03:54.59 | kergoth | hehe |
03:55.17 | mark | warmi: one of these http://www.cecraft.com/product/pinball/default.asp |
03:55.44 | Pendalar | what's the best way to get unstable feed packages w/o using qtopia or the package manager |
03:55.47 | Pendalar | (ie via http) |
03:55.56 | Pendalar | I put in the url and it doesn't like me |
03:56.00 | mark | warmi: although they all look a bit odd to me |
03:56.12 | warmi | oh these look delicious . |
03:56.16 | warmi | hehe |
03:56.40 | mark | warmi: hehe. to me pinball is that strange machine in the corner ;) |
03:58.22 | warmi | well, I was never crazy about pinballs but I always liked that wicked, strange graphic themes they used on their tables/games |
03:58.35 | kergoth | hehe |
03:58.42 | kergoth | I loved Epic Pinball in dos |
03:58.45 | kergoth | from epic megagames |
03:58.53 | Cloudchaser | that fade game looks kinda neat |
03:59.02 | numatrix | epic was awesome |
03:59.04 | numatrix | I loved that game. |
03:59.14 | treke|home | epic pinball rocked |
03:59.19 | WormLunch | playman magazine |
03:59.20 | WormLunch | hehe |
03:59.32 | Cloudchaser | those pinball screenshots look nice too |
03:59.33 | numatrix | WormLunch: yeah, kinda funny, huh? (from the fade review) |
03:59.40 | treke|home | although I hear it was written in pure asm |
03:59.49 | WormLunch | yeah..and they did the thing in Blender |
03:59.51 | WormLunch | wow |
04:00.06 | mark | <PROTECTED> |
04:00.35 | numatrix | treke|home: Fade was written in pure asm? Wow. I take it that it has a --crap, what was that game now; the really famous one with all the pre-rendered scenes in it. I'm retarded. |
04:00.37 | warmi | well. reply in Russian then ... perhaps that will be strong enough hint for them |
04:00.39 | WormLunch | maybe Piete can help you out, he's in Korea |
04:00.45 | treke|home | numatrix: no epic pinball :) |
04:00.54 | mark | warmi: hehe, :) |
04:01.04 | kergoth | treke|home: bah, that sucks. epic pinball on my Z would -rock- |
04:01.07 | kergoth | treke|home: hehe |
04:01.12 | mark | WormLunch: is he? i didnt no that, thanks |
04:01.15 | kergoth | treke|home: whatever happened to epic? |
04:01.20 | numatrix | treke|home: hehe. Ahh. Bummer--not that I expected a port anyway... |
04:01.27 | treke|home | kergoth: they got rich and famous :) |
04:01.30 | WormLunch | mark: he works in Korea, he's no Korean though |
04:01.30 | mark | right, its now 04:10. night all |
04:01.46 | numatrix | Nite, mark |
04:02.09 | Cloudchaser | 'night |
04:02.11 | numatrix | kergoth: You might be able to get maxmame to do pinball. |
04:02.24 | Cloudchaser | but there sure are some nice looking games for pocket pc |
04:02.27 | kergoth | numatrix: hmm |
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04:02.58 | Cloudchaser | why is that.. is it easier to program for pocket pc? |
04:03.12 | treke|home | its easier to sell for pocketpc |
04:03.32 | warmi | Cloudchaser: no it is not easier |
04:03.35 | Cloudchaser | oh..but open source people don't care about making money do they? |
04:03.47 | warmi | just bigger market - more programmers working on games for PocketPC |
04:03.51 | badl | Cloudchaser: i do ;) |
04:03.51 | warmi | some of them working full time |
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04:04.27 | treke|home | never really seen much in the way of open source games |
04:04.41 | Cloudchaser | i was being sarcastic |
04:04.51 | Cloudchaser | :) |
04:04.55 | Cloudchaser | sorry |
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04:06.01 | Cloudchaser | still..i'd like to see some of those nice games on the zaurus |
04:06.31 | warmi | Neo works as fast as he can :-) |
04:07.05 | treke|home | he needs to spend more time porting and less time with his family |
04:07.18 | badl | hahah |
04:07.28 | Cloudchaser | i know he does :) he makes nice games.. most are a bit hard for me |
04:07.28 | warmi | hehe |
04:07.31 | Cloudchaser | but i like IF |
04:07.39 | kergoth | i still havent bought IF |
04:07.46 | kergoth | own bust 'em and candy cruncher tho |
04:08.08 | warmi | Cloudchaser: well he doesn't make them .. he ports them which means, it was original developers who made them so hard to play |
04:08.09 | Cloudchaser | i'm buying IF right now |
04:08.17 | warmi | and frankly, I agree - they are too hard |
04:08.19 | warmi | at least for me |
04:08.24 | Cloudchaser | warmi: i unerstand |
04:08.28 | Cloudchaser | understand |
04:08.43 | warmi | well, Eligo was easy enough :-) |
04:08.44 | Cloudchaser | but IF i at least can play a bit before dying |
04:08.49 | warmi | heehhe |
04:09.24 | warmi | I guess these games were designed for ultrafast 15 year olds |
04:11.10 | treke|home | ,u cp,[;aomt with most of the games is that they take too much time |
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04:11.20 | treke|home | whoops |
04:11.24 | treke|home | my problem with... |
04:11.31 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
04:11.34 | kergoth | i love sfcave |
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04:11.45 | kergoth | and i didnt even pay anything for it. i wonder if andy has a paypal setup |
04:11.46 | Cloudchaser | i thought i was the only one who thought they were too hard |
04:11.50 | treke|home | sfcave is nice. a bit sluggish for me though |
04:11.55 | warmi | sf cave ? |
04:11.56 | kergoth | treke|home: we need stuff to shoot |
04:11.58 | Cloudchaser | kergoth: : i tried to download it but the link was bad |
04:12.01 | warmi | ah .. that vector based games |
04:12.07 | warmi | game |
04:12.15 | treke|home | kergoth: sluggish as in runs slow |
04:12.29 | kergoth | treke|home: really? |
04:12.40 | treke|home | kergoth: yeah. not all the time, but sometimes |
04:12.44 | kergoth | weird |
04:13.29 | badl | the sfcave we have for the Z is poor |
04:13.33 | kergoth | ? |
04:13.47 | badl | game play is crap |
04:13.55 | kergoth | badl: then tell him how he can improve it |
04:14.00 | kergoth | badl: he's on irc every day |
04:14.02 | kergoth | heh |
04:14.05 | badl | easy: www.sfcave.com |
04:14.11 | badl | and thats real game play! |
04:14.23 | badl | kergoth: whats his nick? |
04:14.34 | kergoth | badl: andyq. he's the aqpkg author |
04:14.39 | badl | ahhh |
04:15.03 | warmi | uh .. that link just hanged my Netscape window on Linux |
04:15.27 | warmi | not that it takes much to accomplish that anyway .. |
04:15.28 | warmi | but stil |
04:15.30 | kergoth | badl: other than color, i dont see what that has that opie-sfcave doesnt |
04:16.28 | H4NZ0 | anyone using qpaint ? |
04:16.31 | treke|home | I like the old lucasarts/sierra style advantures for pdas. You dont need to devote too much time in any one sitting to enjoy it |
04:16.40 | kergoth | yea |
04:16.42 | kergoth | me too |
04:16.59 | badl | kergoth: the actual worm is not responsive, in the same manner as that java applet online.... on the Z it feels as though it lags behind, and when you hold the "key/button" it should accelerate up, not just increase linearly |
04:17.01 | treke|home | I ought to try sarien again |
04:17.30 | Cloudchaser | hmm i just bought IF |
04:17.38 | Cloudchaser | but it doesn't tell me how to download it |
04:17.41 | Cloudchaser | or where to |
04:17.46 | kergoth | badl: maybe just needs a algorithm change. talk to em |
04:17.48 | treke|home | Cloudchaser: You'll get an email |
04:17.56 | Cloudchaser | i got the email.. from paypal |
04:17.58 | badl | kergoth: i will do |
04:18.04 | treke|home | Cloudchaser: wait for the email from Neo|Work |
04:18.13 | treke|home | paypal doesnt give you instructions |
04:18.15 | Cloudchaser | ah ok thanks ;) |
04:18.25 | Cloudchaser | yeah i noticed paypal doesn't ;) |
04:18.34 | treke|home | too bad scummvm and qt didnt get along |
04:18.53 | warmi | is bigboss still around these days ? |
04:19.09 | kergoth | yeah |
04:19.36 | Cloudchaser | got the email ;) thanks treke |
04:19.49 | kergoth | badl: i see what you mean |
04:19.55 | kergoth | badl: you can really dodge shit better |
04:20.10 | badl | kergoth: yep.... |
04:20.11 | kergoth | badl: course its easier, which is why it needs more blocks in your way .. makes sense |
04:20.32 | badl | kergoth: wait until the cave gets narrow! |
04:20.39 | kergoth | badl: hehe |
04:21.05 | badl | once you get up to around 3000 (in score) it becomes interesting! |
04:21.18 | TheMasterMind1 | eh? |
04:21.23 | TheMasterMind1 | my highscore is... 730 |
04:21.30 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: on Z version or sfcave.com? |
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04:22.10 | TheMasterMind1 | z version |
04:23.21 | H4NZ0 | anyone using qpaint ? |
04:24.23 | Sniper1 | lala |
04:25.58 | Cloudchaser | hi Sniper1 |
04:27.41 | Sniper | hi! |
04:29.03 | Cloudchaser | how are you doing? |
04:30.06 | Cloudchaser | i just bought interstellar flames and downloaded couple more games |
04:30.23 | Cloudchaser | driving to florida thursday night for christmas so i'm loading up my z |
04:30.56 | Cloudchaser | we got a power inverter with 2 plugs for the car so we can plug in the z and the gameboy :) |
04:31.10 | Cloudchaser | or charge their batteries |
04:31.14 | Sniper | hehe cool.. |
04:31.23 | Cloudchaser | or plug in laptop |
04:31.25 | Sniper | neo would be happy |
04:31.31 | Sniper | instant power makes those as well |
04:31.35 | Sniper | usb charger |
04:31.46 | Cloudchaser | i have a battery pack for the z |
04:31.53 | Cloudchaser | but this is just like..2 house outlets |
04:32.00 | Cloudchaser | and it plugs into the cigarette lighter |
04:32.02 | Sniper | thanks for being a loyal customer .. we need more people like you |
04:32.22 | Cloudchaser | i like the zaurus |
04:32.42 | Cloudchaser | i'd have bought my son one for christmas and my husband but..i'm unemployed at the moment |
04:32.45 | Cloudchaser | maybe next year |
04:32.56 | Sniper | ok - thats fine... prices are cheap... |
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04:33.29 | badl | Cloudchaser: no no, i think you mean, you'll give your son the sl5500 and buy yourself a 5600 ;) |
04:33.35 | Cloudchaser | not so cheap after you are laid off..but if i was working it wouldn't be so bad |
04:33.40 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
04:33.51 | darius | man, I just got 128M SD tonight |
04:33.56 | Cloudchaser | nice |
04:33.58 | Sniper | the 5600 ?? well i dunno... its a little bigger |
04:34.07 | badl | dariit sucks when you fill that up with apps though :( |
04:34.07 | darius | but several package won't install on it (though some will) .. but they install fine on the ram disk |
04:34.10 | Cloudchaser | you know what the cool thing about being a woman is? |
04:34.18 | Cloudchaser | we don't have to put the z in a pocket :) |
04:34.21 | Cloudchaser | we have purses for that |
04:34.27 | Sniper | ahh.. thats true |
04:34.35 | Cloudchaser | so if its a bit bigger..no biggie |
04:34.40 | badl | yeah |
04:34.43 | Sniper | i think you'rte the only woman user we have.. 99% users are male |
04:34.50 | Cloudchaser | and actually i'm holding out to see if the c700 is released in use |
04:34.55 | Sniper | the product really hasnt done that well with females |
04:35.00 | Cloudchaser | actually a woman i used to work with in nyc got one before i did |
04:35.03 | Cloudchaser | i was so jealous |
04:35.09 | Sniper | was she a linux user? |
04:35.12 | darius | anyone have ee, kismet, or nmap install on SD? |
04:35.17 | Cloudchaser | she''s not even a geek like me.. just an office type |
04:35.24 | Cloudchaser | no she wasnt sniper |
04:35.34 | Cloudchaser | she and her husband both got one |
04:35.38 | Cloudchaser | and this was back in may |
04:35.44 | Cloudchaser | when the first hit the streets |
04:35.50 | darius | was her husband a techie? |
04:35.58 | Cloudchaser | hmm he might have been |
04:36.02 | darius | probably :) |
04:36.14 | Sniper | hmm |
04:36.44 | H4NZ0 | anyone using qpaint ? i cant get it to open image files.. |
04:36.59 | Cloudchaser | having the zaurus made me make the final move to linux on my pc's at home..that and some nasty windows viruses |
04:37.20 | Cloudchaser | just a couple things i do now on windows and i use the hubby's pc for that |
04:37.25 | Cloudchaser | ooh |
04:37.34 | Cloudchaser | well you should :) |
04:37.37 | Sniper | but doesnt fit in my pocket |
04:37.37 | Cloudchaser | you work for sharp |
04:37.44 | Cloudchaser | i'll trade! |
04:37.53 | Sniper | you dont want the curent ROM i have.. |
04:37.57 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
04:37.59 | Sniper | its still not tweaked |
04:38.23 | Cloudchaser | i want the clamshell ;) |
04:38.28 | Cloudchaser | that would be cool |
04:38.34 | badl | *may* -- i hate those kinda words ;) |
04:38.40 | Cloudchaser | i hope its *optimized* |
04:38.41 | Sniper | im pushing for it.. but we need to 'tweak' it for the US market |
04:38.52 | badl | Sniper: what needs tweaking? |
04:38.58 | Sniper | tweaking = add more features |
04:39.10 | Sniper | features=more technology |
04:39.13 | Cloudchaser | did they fix the problems with the xscale? |
04:39.24 | prpplague | Sniper: a battery that lasts more than 45 minutes? |
04:39.25 | badl | Sniper: one thing i do not like about the physical design of the c700 is the hinge where the screen is attached to the base/keyboard |
04:39.40 | Sniper | problems?? you mean intels bad flaw? |
04:39.43 | badl | Sniper: it looks out of proportion to the rest of the design |
04:39.55 | Cloudchaser | Sniper: i signed up for linux world in january.. will you have new models on display there? |
04:40.06 | Sniper | *IF* it comes to the US , we will need to make sure we modify it a bit .. |
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04:40.16 | prpplague | Cloudchaser: ya well the xscale silicon issues won't get fixed for atleast a year |
04:40.18 | badl | need a BIG battery for the c700 too |
04:40.22 | H4NZ0 | yeah.. palm batteries are better |
04:40.23 | Cloudchaser | ack!! |
04:40.29 | Sniper | cloudchaser: no - we wont have a booth this year... but we'll be in IBM and Intel's booth (i'll be in intel) :-) |
04:40.32 | Cloudchaser | some things will be slower then on the 5500 |
04:40.36 | Sniper | badl: yup, and maybe 802.11 |
04:40.43 | Cloudchaser | aww |
04:40.51 | Cloudchaser | i was hoping sharp would have a booth |
04:40.57 | Cloudchaser | i always miss those ones ;( |
04:40.58 | Sniper | cloudchaser: we're not going to announce anything new |
04:41.08 | Sniper | go to CES - we have over 30 Zs on display |
04:41.10 | Cloudchaser | i know but i'd like to see the c700 and the 5600 |
04:41.16 | Cloudchaser | whats CES? |
04:41.17 | Sniper | CES = consumer electronic show in early january |
04:41.23 | Cloudchaser | wheres that? |
04:41.32 | Sniper | it's a BIG show for us.. in VEgas.. this year we'll have acrobats |
04:41.33 | Sniper | haha |
04:41.38 | Sniper | last year were olympic divers |
04:41.41 | Cloudchaser | oh i can't go to vegas ;( |
04:41.46 | Cloudchaser | nyc i can |
04:41.56 | Cloudchaser | its only 60 miles |
04:42.05 | Cloudchaser | and i can take the train in |
04:42.16 | Sniper | honestly the shows havent been all that good for us |
04:42.25 | Sniper | or in general shows havent been that good |
04:42.36 | kergoth | i cant afford to hit CES or i would |
04:42.40 | Cloudchaser | well the economy isn't too good |
04:42.41 | kergoth | i hit comdex, but that was dead |
04:42.50 | Sniper | kergoth: comdex sucked.. did you drop by the sharp area? |
04:42.55 | Cloudchaser | i wanted to take some of those classes but they were 300.00 each |
04:43.09 | Cloudchaser | why did they suck? |
04:43.12 | kergoth | Sniper: never found it! |
04:43.19 | Sniper | kergoth: whoops.. haha |
04:43.27 | kergoth | Sniper: heh. i wanted to check out prpplague's backpack unit too |
04:43.29 | Sniper | comdex is going backrupt.. |
04:43.29 | kergoth | Sniper: ah well |
04:43.42 | kergoth | Sniper: doesnt surprise me. everyone was talking about how dead it was this year |
04:43.44 | Cloudchaser | it is? |
04:43.56 | Sniper | well it's key3media.. the company that hosts these shows |
04:43.59 | prpplague | kergoth: i'm gonna assemble v3 this weekend |
04:44.10 | Sniper | prpplauge: whats your backpack? |
04:44.24 | Cloudchaser | i'd like a battery backpack for extra battery |
04:44.33 | Cloudchaser | but don't really need the scanner thingy |
04:44.53 | darius | anyone know what syntax the Install uses to install packages? I'd like to start with it and tweak at the command line |
04:44.55 | kergoth | prpplague: v3? oh version 3? |
04:45.08 | darius | er, the gui instaler |
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04:45.35 | Cloudchaser | hello killefiz |
04:45.41 | kergoth | hey killefiz_ |
04:46.22 | prpplague | kergoth: i think i'm gonna use a sony camcorder battery this time |
04:46.30 | prpplague | kergoth: 3800mAh |
04:46.42 | badl | that will be some juice! |
04:46.55 | kergoth | badl: you got me hooked on this damn game |
04:47.17 | badl | kergoth: trust me i have wasted many hours in the past few months on that one! |
04:47.27 | badl | kergoth: whats your hiscore? |
04:47.32 | Cloudchaser | i played tickypip in the car the other day :) |
04:47.37 | Cloudchaser | that was pretty fun |
04:47.47 | ljp | tickypip? |
04:47.51 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
04:47.53 | Cloudchaser | yep |
04:48.02 | ljp | wtf is that? |
04:48.26 | kergoth | badl: only 1818 so far |
04:48.38 | badl | beginner ;0 |
04:48.47 | kergoth | yeh |
04:49.05 | Cloudchaser | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=760 |
04:49.39 | badl | Cloudchaser: is it hard? |
04:49.56 | Cloudchaser | it kinda is at first |
04:50.08 | kergoth | badl: 2154.. gettign there |
04:50.14 | Cloudchaser | but not too bad, but then it gets harder each level |
04:50.23 | ljp | hnmm |
04:50.59 | Cloudchaser | i only got to level 3 then my battery died |
04:51.06 | Cloudchaser | i didn't have my battery pack with me |
04:51.31 | badl | kergoth: you should also try out 3dsfcave (available on the sfcave.com) -- that is also kewl, however it takes a little bit getting use to |
04:51.39 | kergoth | badl: k |
04:51.51 | badl | unfortunately its a win32 binary |
04:52.06 | Cloudchaser | i couldn't get andy's sfcave |
04:52.39 | Cloudchaser | the link was bad on zsi |
04:52.40 | kergoth | badl: thats what wine is for |
04:52.55 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: ah. i can build a sharp format ipk if you like |
04:53.01 | badl | kergoth: yeah but i dont like getting drunk ;) |
04:53.05 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: we've got it in the oz feeds, but thats the new format |
04:53.15 | Cloudchaser | there isn't one for sharp rom now kergoth? |
04:53.59 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: oz feeds? the classicfeed for oz isnt updated atm |
04:54.03 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: i need to update it |
04:54.45 | Sniper | gnite all |
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04:55.02 | Cloudchaser | g'night Sniper |
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04:55.12 | H4NZ0 | so.. will 5600 ROM installs on 5500 ? |
04:55.22 | TheMasterMind1 | doubt it |
04:55.24 | TheMasterMind1 | use OZ :) |
04:55.27 | Cloudchaser | kergoth: the link on zsi is to andy's feed |
04:55.32 | badl | H4NZ0: try it and let us know |
04:55.44 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: yea |
04:56.04 | kergoth | oGMo: well, it has to happen.. but havent decided on a name |
04:56.16 | kergoth | oGMo: imho we need a name submission form on the site where you can vote on user submitted names |
04:56.16 | oGMo | kergoth: ah, k |
04:56.24 | oGMo | that'd be neat |
04:56.41 | badl | openLizard |
04:56.52 | H4NZ0 | why ?hnn |
04:57.49 | oGMo | Opium |
04:57.52 | oGMo | hehe |
04:58.11 | darius | does SD memory burn out after so many writes? |
04:58.19 | kergoth | hehe, i like jasons 'the Zorce' |
04:58.22 | oGMo | darius: it's flash, yeah |
04:58.27 | oGMo | kergoth: that rocks ;) |
04:58.34 | darius | ugh, how many writes? |
04:58.39 | kergoth | oGMo: we need a pingizauru in robes |
04:58.41 | chouimat | ok the zip is working |
04:58.41 | oGMo | darius: a hell of a lot |
04:58.48 | oGMo | kergoth: hehehe |
04:58.52 | kergoth`movie | bbl, two towers |
04:58.59 | oGMo | kergoth`movie: have fun :) |
04:59.15 | chouimat | kergoth`movie: which movie? |
04:59.32 | badl | haha 2 towers... i only saw the fellowship last friday.. and i fell asleep in it! |
05:00.21 | chouimat | badl: I fall asleep while reading it |
05:00.35 | badl | ive never read i |
05:00.36 | badl | t |
05:01.04 | darius | dangit.. the gui installer won't install many applications on my SD .. but it works at the command line. Anyone know what syntax the gui installer is using? |
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05:03.03 | treke|home | darius: Hate to say it, but it's more than syntax |
05:03.15 | treke|home | darius: The gui installer makes the necessarry symlinks |
05:03.26 | darius | oh :( |
05:03.54 | darius | this is odd .. does the gui installer usually have a high failure rate installing apps to SD? |
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05:06.37 | frogman | hey all, anyone know of a good site that could help me setup my new wcf11 wireless card with the 5500? |
05:06.49 | Cloudchaser | hehe i got 1265 points in IF :) |
05:07.00 | badl | frogman: zauruszone.com |
05:07.01 | TheMasterMind1 | frogman: plug it in :) |
05:07.06 | Cloudchaser | the real version is a bit harder than the demo |
05:07.10 | Cloudchaser | and much faster i think |
05:07.13 | frogman | badl: thanks |
05:07.20 | frogman | TheMasterMind1: and that's it? |
05:07.34 | Cloudchaser | frogman: mine worked after i plugged it in |
05:07.45 | Cloudchaser | have to do the wireless configuration though |
05:08.02 | Cloudchaser | and add a lan/tcp ip setting in network configuration |
05:08.07 | frogman | Cloudchaser: cool, and I would plug it in with the power on? |
05:08.07 | Cloudchaser | on sharp rom that is |
05:08.18 | Cloudchaser | your wireless card? |
05:08.23 | frogman | that's the rom i'm using now |
05:08.30 | frogman | Cloudchaser: yes |
05:08.37 | Cloudchaser | with the power on is fine |
05:08.58 | Cloudchaser | just make sure to eject it with the taskbar applet |
05:08.59 | frogman | thanks...if it's that easy, i'm going to be really happy |
05:09.05 | frogman | ok |
05:09.08 | Cloudchaser | what kinda card? |
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05:09.15 | frogman | linksys wcf11 |
05:09.22 | TheMasterMind1 | the big one right? |
05:09.35 | badl | big one is ugly ;) |
05:09.52 | frogman | big one? |
05:09.57 | Cloudchaser | that one i think should work right off |
05:10.03 | TheMasterMind1 | does it cover the audio port and the stylus hole? |
05:10.06 | Cloudchaser | the 12 has to have a line put in one of the files |
05:10.19 | Cloudchaser | http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/feed_howto.shtml |
05:10.26 | frogman | TheMasterMind1: i think it does, but that doesn't matter to me |
05:10.26 | Cloudchaser | bookmark that |
05:10.29 | Cloudchaser | its your best friend |
05:11.08 | frogman | cool |
05:12.14 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
05:12.17 | Cloudchaser | http://zaurus.knightfire.com/ |
05:12.31 | Cloudchaser | thats for card compatibility |
05:15.27 | treke|home | hmmm. looks like scummvm has been restructured a bit. Maybe its time to give it another shot |
05:16.20 | Cloudchaser | let me know how you make out ;) |
05:17.02 | Cloudchaser | well time for dreamland |
05:17.07 | Cloudchaser | g'night everyone |
05:17.27 | Cloudchaser | kergoth`movie: have fun tonight! |
05:17.37 | Cloudchaser | oh he's gone already :) |
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05:25.01 | treke|home | sweeet |
05:25.09 | treke|home | opie properly styles tkc apps now |
05:27.45 | Cloudchaser | :) |
05:28.23 | treke|home | <PROTECTED> |
05:29.46 | TheMasterMind1 | treke|home: mnnn |
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05:35.30 | treke|home | TheMasterMind1: rather spiffy :) |
05:35.38 | TheMasterMind1 | indeed |
05:35.45 | TheMasterMind1 | works great with hancom apps too now |
05:35.56 | TheMasterMind1 | oz users are very happy |
05:37.23 | treke|home | if op2 streams again, I'm gonna be a very happy camper |
05:41.18 | treke|home | I am a happy camper! |
05:42.45 | TheMasterMind1 | heheh |
05:42.48 | TheMasterMind1 | goodstuff |
05:43.09 | treke|home | time to do a CVS build and break something :) |
05:44.00 | H4NZ0 | im waiting for oz 31 |
05:46.24 | treke|home | now I just need php, apache, and mysql :) |
05:46.32 | TheMasterMind1 | why apache? |
05:46.34 | TheMasterMind1 | use nanoweb |
05:46.53 | treke|home | TheMasterMind1: Because I'm developing for apache :) |
05:47.01 | TheMasterMind1 | ohok |
05:47.44 | treke|home | besides, with php and mysql, we're long past being space conscious :) |
05:47.58 | H4NZ0 | so when 31 will be released ? |
05:48.10 | TheMasterMind1 | not for a while |
05:48.12 | TheMasterMind1 | rc1 is pretty stable |
05:48.26 | TheMasterMind1 | oz3.1 might even come out with 2.4.19 |
05:48.28 | TheMasterMind1 | in a month or so |
05:48.59 | H4NZ0 | a month.. hmm.. ok |
05:49.14 | TheMasterMind1 | probably longer |
05:49.14 | H4NZ0 | i want a very stable one :) |
05:51.06 | badl | treke|home: bah... C and SQLlite ;) |
05:51.24 | treke|home | badl: hehehe. too late :) |
05:51.37 | badl | treke|home: what is it your developing? |
05:51.46 | treke|home | badl: worklist software |
05:52.02 | badl | worklist? like what jobs i have todo today? |
05:52.10 | treke|home | basically. |
05:52.18 | treke|home | thats one of a few apps |
05:52.25 | badl | ahhh |
05:53.12 | treke|home | badl: not intended for use on the Z |
05:53.22 | treke|home | just wanted to see if I could get it running there |
05:53.28 | badl | ic |
05:53.41 | treke|home | and maybe get a bit of work done while waiting in line for Two Towers |
05:53.50 | H4NZ0 | web based I assume |
05:53.55 | badl | hehe yeah |
05:56.12 | frogman | setting up the wireless lan card, how would i know what keys to use? i know i'm using 128 bit encryption for the access point, but linksys generated the key automatically from the password i gave to it |
05:56.24 | frogman | on my laptop, that is |
05:56.27 | TheMasterMind1 | just enter the key.. |
05:56.37 | frogman | just one key? |
05:56.42 | TheMasterMind1 | there should only be one |
05:56.45 | TheMasterMind1 | for your network |
05:56.51 | TheMasterMind1 | all the nodes on the wifi network use the same key |
05:59.25 | frogman | ok, i think i can get to it |
05:59.39 | frogman | i remember the password i used for the laptops, but not the key |
05:59.57 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
06:00.01 | TheMasterMind1 | i think you need to enter the pass |
06:00.04 | TheMasterMind1 | not the key |
06:00.49 | frogman | that's the problem. if i enter the password, it isn't accepted |
06:01.09 | frogman | also, is it necessary to setup the software on windows? |
06:01.18 | TheMasterMind1 | shouldn't be |
06:01.23 | TheMasterMind1 | i dunno much about the sharp rom though |
06:01.25 | TheMasterMind1 | so dont' ask me |
06:01.46 | frogman | ok, you've been a big help. thanks. |
06:01.50 | TheMasterMind1 | anytime |
06:02.09 | frogman | i plan on converting to the openz rom when i get more sd memory |
06:02.40 | TheMasterMind1 | good choice :) |
06:04.20 | H4NZ0 | you'll run out of battery first |
06:04.20 | H4NZ0 | :P |
06:06.32 | Com[Plex] | hey TheMasterMind1 |
06:07.06 | TheMasterMind1 | Com[Plex]: sup |
06:07.14 | Com[Plex] | called ups for the 6th time, and they still hadnt found my package. - so I called Sharp, and they DID have it. they had even logged that it was worked on this afternoon. |
06:07.22 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
06:07.23 | Com[Plex] | UPS doesnt know they even have it |
06:07.27 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
06:07.28 | TheMasterMind1 | ouch |
06:07.39 | TheMasterMind1 | atleast sharp has it now |
06:07.50 | Com[Plex] | only problem now, is that sharp is replacing some board in it, and the part is backordered |
06:07.56 | TheMasterMind1 | oh joy |
06:08.30 | Com[Plex] | badl : Com[Plex] is actually derivitave fo a typo. I almost allways hit [p when I mean to just hit p |
06:08.43 | badl | ic |
06:09.16 | Com[Plex] | I have a neurological disorder, its like a parity error between my brain and my fingers. - my fingers dont do what I tell them to |
06:09.29 | badl | yeah i remember reading about that on your site |
06:09.39 | Com[Plex] | ut anyway, as far as nicks are concerned, I thought it looked cool :> |
06:09.45 | Com[Plex] | yeah? |
06:09.49 | TheMasterMind1 | heheh |
06:10.00 | badl | the alice in wonderland stuff.. right? |
06:10.11 | Com[Plex] | uhhh... |
06:10.39 | Com[Plex] | not sure if Im on the same page as you are. but hey, I got the memory issues too. |
06:10.53 | badl | heheh |
06:11.23 | badl | memory issues are a problem, espically when i loook at code i wrote a few weeks ago - i have no clue what is going on! |
06:11.31 | Com[Plex] | what do you mean by alice and wonderland stuff... - refresh my memory and Ill probably click.. |
06:11.37 | Com[Plex] | lol |
06:11.39 | badl | ohh |
06:12.00 | badl | maybe your not the person i am think of.... there is a dude here which has alice in wonderland syndrome |
06:12.15 | badl | i forget his nick |
06:12.20 | Com[Plex] | "alice in wonderland syndrome" ? never heard of it.... |
06:12.36 | badl | yeah, neither had i |
06:13.10 | badl | something which effects vision, it distorts it into a strange perspective |
06:13.30 | Com[Plex] | Oh hey, Im looking it up right now. |
06:13.43 | Com[Plex] | I experienced this once, when smoking pcp when I was like 17. |
06:13.53 | Com[Plex] | - by accident - |
06:14.03 | badl | hehe.. yeah I have similar experience on shrooms |
06:14.09 | Com[Plex] | take my word for it. that was a horrific experience |
06:15.47 | badl | check this page out http://rikkus.info/rikkus.html |
06:16.21 | Com[Plex] | yweah, im on it allready :> |
06:16.26 | Com[Plex] | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=alice+in+wonderland+syndrome+ |
06:16.31 | Com[Plex] | I got an alias :. |
06:16.33 | Com[Plex] | :> |
06:17.02 | Com[Plex] | google //say http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q= $+ $1+ $+ $2+ $+ $3+ $+ $4+ $+ $5+ $+ $6+ $+ $7+ $+ $8+ $+ $9+ $+ $10 |
06:17.14 | Com[Plex] | add /alias in front of that and you got it |
06:17.27 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
06:17.31 | badl | heh |
06:17.33 | TheMasterMind1 | mirc scriptkiddies |
06:17.57 | badl | xchat is a good clone ;) |
06:19.27 | frogman | TheMasterMind1: got it working. thanks again. |
06:19.28 | Com[Plex] | lol |
06:19.33 | TheMasterMind1 | frogman: np |
06:39.55 | H4NZ0 | can Z receive beam from PalmOS ? |
06:41.27 | badl | H4NZ0: if you write a driver to do that, then yes |
06:43.52 | H4NZ0 | no wonder.. |
06:43.56 | H4NZ0 | ^_^ |
06:44.29 | badl | H4NZ0: what did you have in mind by wanting the Z to *talk* to the Palm? |
06:47.09 | H4NZ0 | exchanging contacts ? :) |
06:49.02 | badl | that sounds con-tastic |
06:49.47 | H4NZ0 | and my friends palm can transfer contacts, SMSs from cellphones too.. |
06:56.25 | NeoTron | evening |
06:57.43 | H4NZ0 | what history ? |
06:57.44 | NeoTron | although I had done some programming earlier I didn't really start until... uhm. 93 or so when I wizzed in an LPMUD |
06:57.49 | NeoTron | of this channel |
06:59.14 | H4NZ0 | ic |
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07:09.13 | noidd | so, BZFlag buying the beers? |
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08:17.37 | paperclip | does the zaurus act as a usb host/master |
08:17.40 | paperclip | ? |
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08:24.22 | kolla | paperclip: no |
08:24.28 | kolla | it's a dummy |
08:24.31 | paperclip | yeah |
08:24.40 | paperclip | i just read a faq |
08:24.47 | paperclip | lame eh? |
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08:24.51 | kolla | yes |
08:25.30 | kolla | would be nice if one could get it to act as a USB storage device though :) |
08:25.41 | paperclip | very cool =) |
08:25.54 | kolla | but I doubt it is possible |
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09:30.56 | BZFlag | kolla: afaik usb storage devices are raw block devices that normally have vfat filesystems on them. if you mapped to the jffs2 storage, that would not do windows users much good. |
09:31.19 | BZFlag | should be possible to map to a vfat mmc/sd/cf card but that's not as useful. |
09:31.47 | kolla | usb storage can be any filesystem |
09:32.33 | kolla | but the idea was to simulate a usb storage, so.. |
09:33.11 | kolla | but it wont happen anyways :) |
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10:01.58 | GlaD | hi |
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10:57.41 | Piete | Hey all |
10:57.43 | smee|wrk | hm...cant get this card working with affix on oz - tried all the packages I can find and built my own affix-kernel and affix |
10:57.50 | smee|wrk | hey Piete |
10:57.50 | George- | hello |
10:57.53 | Piete | :) |
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10:58.13 | Piete | Anyone went to see TTT? |
10:58.32 | smee|wrk | seeing it on Thursday |
10:58.39 | Piete | cool :) |
10:58.55 | Piete | I think I'm gonna go see it this weekend |
10:59.09 | smee|wrk | cool |
10:59.39 | smee|wrk | christmas party last night...head hurts inside where my brain is :) |
10:59.46 | Piete | hehe |
11:00.30 | George- | smee|wrk: Took photos? :) |
11:00.35 | George- | smee|wrk: bribe ur boss =P |
11:00.39 | Piete | hmm, TTT releases here in korea on the 19th |
11:00.47 | Piete | a WHOLE DAY later :P |
11:00.54 | smee|wrk | George-: lol |
11:01.22 | smee|wrk | Piete: better book a flight ;) |
11:01.48 | George- | smee|wrk: hahaha |
11:01.51 | smee|wrk | I do have photos..havent looked yet |
11:01.52 | Piete | lol, nah, I'll just walk 3 minutes :) I'm here already :P |
11:02.20 | George- | smee|wrk: heh |
11:02.30 | George- | smee|wrk: don't faint when you look at them :) |
11:03.38 | smee|wrk | hehe...drinking those shots really wasnt necessary |
11:03.42 | George- | I miss my tibook |
11:03.44 | George- | BOOOHOOO |
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11:03.55 | smee|wrk | where'd it go? |
11:03.59 | George- | repair |
11:04.00 | Piete | hey zxcvb |
11:04.04 | smee|wrk | ah |
11:04.19 | Zxcvb | yeh |
11:04.25 | Zxcvb | any chance of a new exult release? |
11:04.37 | Piete | George-: I thought you didnt like them? (Or was it someone else.. damn my short memory) |
11:05.02 | George- | I said I wouldn't recommend someone buy a powerbook |
11:05.14 | George- | But I've become so dependant on it |
11:05.17 | George- | heh |
11:05.25 | George- | (well it's better than this crappy K6-2 :) |
11:05.29 | Piete | lol |
11:05.37 | Zxcvb | k6-2? |
11:05.43 | Piete | nah, I'll just wait for my Athlon 64, and Geforce FX :) |
11:05.51 | Piete | Zxcvb: pre athlon AMDs |
11:05.55 | Zxcvb | burn your sensitive parts |
11:05.59 | George- | Zxcvb: The older AMD processor. Two generations before the Athlon Classic |
11:06.20 | George- | Piete: heh. I'm gonna wait for a SledgeHammer too :) |
11:06.31 | Zxcvb | Piete: yeah |
11:06.41 | Zxcvb | Piete: got a 2nd degree burn from one, even with the fan/heatsink on |
11:06.59 | George- | Zxcvb: from what? |
11:07.21 | Zxcvb | k6-2 |
11:07.22 | Zxcvb | or was that k6 |
11:07.31 | George- | oh right |
11:07.32 | Piete | yea, I had a cyrix once that burned me 10 minutes after the system was powered down |
11:07.38 | George- | This K6-2 is very cold :) |
11:07.46 | George- | The G4 PowerBook gets *VERY* hot |
11:08.00 | Zxcvb | George-: enough to burn your dick? |
11:08.04 | George- | probably |
11:08.07 | Zxcvb | George-: like the P4 laptops |
11:08.09 | George- | But I'm not stupid :) |
11:08.09 | Piete | hahahaha |
11:08.33 | Johnmcl7 | laptop* |
11:08.44 | Zxcvb | George-: what's the point of a laptop if you can't use it on top of your lap? |
11:08.46 | George- | All my machines with the exception of 2 are AMDs |
11:08.53 | George- | Zxcvb: I dunno |
11:09.04 | Johnmcl7 | I like my one a lot, it's the only PC I've kept for over a year |
11:09.05 | George- | Zxcvb: I normally put a book on my lap then put the laptop on top of it |
11:09.22 | George- | Zxcvb: I don't like using my laptop as a heat source :) |
11:09.41 | George- | Johnmcl7: I kept my Athlon 600 for 3 years |
11:09.48 | George- | Johnmcl7: then I decided to go and upgrade it |
11:10.00 | smee|wrk | my i8100 is like that; lap + cushion + laptop |
11:10.21 | George- | My tibook has never burnt me though |
11:10.29 | George- | given me an electric shock: yes, burned me: no |
11:10.45 | Zxcvb | at least the Z is cool |
11:10.51 | Zxcvb | how long does the Z battery last? |
11:10.52 | George- | lol |
11:10.55 | George- | 2-3 hours |
11:10.59 | George- | bbiab |
11:11.12 | smee|wrk | can control the fans though - both on full all the time gets it cool :) |
11:11.12 | Zxcvb | even when running SDL software like exult/doom? |
11:14.11 | Piete | Zxcvb: well, I get around 1:30 when I use the CPU extensively and at low brightness |
11:14.23 | Piete | Zxcvb: but I have a battery pack in my backpack |
11:14.42 | Zxcvb | Piete: do exult and doom use the CPU extensively? |
11:15.00 | Piete | Zxcvb: so I just have a think wire from the backpack to the zaurus, and I have enought power to last me at least 12 hours at full bright + wireless |
11:15.25 | Piete | Zxcvb: hmm, lemme see, I havent run them since I got the zaurus |
11:16.35 | Piete | Zxcvb: sorry, my zaurus is offline right now,, I'll brb |
11:17.23 | George- | back |
11:17.50 | Zxcvb | Piete: what battery pack do you use? |
11:17.57 | Zxcvb | Piete: and how do you keep it at 5V? |
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11:24.01 | George- | wtf? |
11:24.06 | George- | Lineo's being taken over |
11:24.20 | Piete | yea |
11:24.20 | Zxcvb | Piete: what battery pack do you use? |
11:24.27 | Zxcvb | Piete: and how do you keep it at 5V |
11:25.13 | George- | Zxcvb: don't repeat |
11:25.25 | Zxcvb | George-: he wasn't here |
11:26.16 | George- | k |
11:26.39 | Piete | Zxcvb: its a homebrew pack that uses 4 C cells, and I have a resistor to bring it down a bit |
11:26.51 | Piete | Zxcvb: I have an article on how to make one somewhere |
11:26.56 | Piete | lemme just dig it out |
11:26.58 | Zxcvb | Piete: ah, no voltage regulator? |
11:28.31 | Piete | well, I just keep it below 5v, and it seems to work pretty well |
11:29.07 | Zxcvb | Piete: you won't be able to fully run the Z with that |
11:29.14 | George- | http://www.gamespy.com/top10/december02/grails/index4.shtml |
11:29.14 | George- | hah |
11:29.31 | Zxcvb | Piete: the Z's charging system can handle too low power? |
11:29.46 | Piete | Zxcvb: I know, its does not 'run' of the battery back, it basicaly just extends the normal battery |
11:30.13 | Zxcvb | Piete: won't that damage the charging system? |
11:30.36 | George- | Zxcvb: it just acts in the same way as a power cord |
11:30.44 | Piete | I've been using it for well over a month, and everything seems happy |
11:30.46 | Zxcvb | George-: except that it could be 4V |
11:30.55 | Zxcvb | George-: the power cord is 5V |
11:31.00 | George- | Zxcvb: instead of sticking it into the mains with a whacking great transformer, it runs off batteries |
11:31.11 | Zxcvb | George-: some devices can be damaged by too low voltage |
11:31.32 | George- | hrmm |
11:31.37 | Zxcvb | George-: is the Z that way? |
11:31.37 | George- | It takes a 6V DC input irrc |
11:31.41 | George- | s/irrc/iirc |
11:31.42 | Zxcvb | George-: 5V |
11:31.49 | Zxcvb | George-: but what if you only input say, 4V |
11:32.10 | George- | I dunno |
11:32.24 | George- | He said he only just keeps it below 5V |
11:32.38 | George- | so it's prolly at like, 4.7V which wouldn't really make a difference |
11:32.57 | Zxcvb | George-: until the batteries start to drain |
11:33.05 | Zxcvb | George-: he uses a resistor, not a voltage regulator |
11:33.35 | George- | what's wrong with using a resistor |
11:33.54 | Zxcvb | George-: 4.7V at full charge |
11:34.02 | George- | 0V empty.. |
11:34.03 | Piete | Zxcvb: on the back of the AC adapter it says output 5v, 2A |
11:34.15 | Zxcvb | George-: then it could drop to 4V or even 3.5V before you know something is wrong |
11:35.14 | Piete | argh, I meant a diode :) |
11:35.15 | Piete | sorry |
11:35.32 | George- | Piete: a *diode*? |
11:35.47 | George- | erm.. what help is a diode?:) |
11:36.00 | Johnmcl7 | Makes AC into DC |
11:36.11 | Piete | George-: just as sec, and I'll give you all the details |
11:36.17 | Johnmcl7 | the current can only flow through a diode in one direction |
11:36.26 | George- | Johnmcl7: I know |
11:36.34 | Johnmcl7 | <- idiot |
11:36.39 | George- | Johnmcl7: but what help is that to regulate voltage? |
11:37.01 | Johnmcl7 | This from a dc power supply isn't it? |
11:37.09 | Piete | http://www.pocketpcpassion.com/General/BatteryExtenderBySJ/BatteryExtenderSJ.htm |
11:37.14 | Piete | thats basically what I have |
11:38.01 | Piete | and I feel really stupid now, since I assembled the thing a while back, it uses both an resistor, and a diode *blush* |
11:39.56 | Zxcvb | a diode will also eat 0.7V |
11:40.22 | Piete | yea, but its neccesary in the circut |
11:40.54 | Piete | anyway, I like it, I get to surf the net wirelessly the whole day when I'm out |
11:42.03 | Zxcvb | Piete: that's probably why it is used |
11:42.16 | Zxcvb | Piete: 1.2 volts * 4 |
11:42.42 | Zxcvb | how much power does the Z use when it's off? |
11:43.19 | troffasky | Piete: why do you use the resistor? |
11:43.45 | Johnmcl7 | Morning troffasky |
11:43.49 | troffasky | mornin' |
11:44.54 | troffasky | gotta love Citylink [aka Shittylink]: left ~150 quid of kit with the next door neighbours... |
11:45.09 | Johnmcl7 | Yeah |
11:45.23 | Johnmcl7 | They left the note saying they had tried to deliver through the main door to the flat |
11:45.26 | Johnmcl7 | Not the flat door |
11:45.33 | Johnmcl7 | Where all the junkmail is left |
11:45.37 | Johnmcl7 | I just happened to see it |
11:45.37 | troffasky | lol |
11:45.47 | Johnmcl7 | When I went to collect it, they didn't even ask for ID! |
11:46.02 | Johnmcl7 | Anyone could have taken and collected my wi-fi card |
11:46.05 | Johnmcl7 | Not impressed at all |
11:46.24 | troffasky | there's a reason they're called ShittLink |
11:46.35 | troffasky | *Shittylink |
11:47.27 | George- | Johnmcl7: your WCF12? |
11:47.33 | Johnmcl7 | Yeah |
11:48.01 | troffasky | 2"x1.5" and it comes in a 2cu ft box..... |
11:48.10 | George- | lol |
11:48.17 | George- | I've never had trouble with deliveries |
11:48.23 | Johnmcl7 | Well, when they handed a huge box to me I was thinking...this can't be mine... |
11:49.04 | troffasky | anyone else noticed how wildly the clock drifts on the zaurus? |
11:50.12 | ZzzTiger | yes! |
11:50.51 | Zxcvb | troffasky: either sync with a time server every so often or pay $7.00 for the bugfix |
11:51.12 | troffasky | pay for a bugfix....lol. NTP in a cronjob for me! |
11:51.32 | Zxcvb | troffasky: you using sharp or OZ? |
11:51.37 | troffasky | or not, seeing as I don't have crond installed |
11:51.39 | troffasky | OZ |
11:51.50 | Zxcvb | troffasky: i'm suprised OZ hasn't fixed that drift yet |
11:52.09 | George- | troffasky: of course |
11:52.26 | Zxcvb | troffasky: probably don't want to piss off the guy who wrote drifter |
11:52.37 | troffasky | Zxcvb: ? |
11:53.10 | Zxcvb | troffasky: well, if OZ fixed the clock drift, who would purchase drifter? |
11:53.31 | George- | ppl on the sharp rom? |
11:53.34 | troffasky | I'm guessing that drifter is a 3rd party fix for clock drift? |
11:53.44 | George- | OZ developers are entitled to fix bugs =P |
11:53.52 | Zxcvb | troffasky: yes |
11:54.02 | Zxcvb | George-: then why hasn't it been fixed in OZ |
11:54.31 | George- | Zxcvb: Does it look like I know? |
11:54.33 | George- | heh |
11:55.39 | troffasky | <PROTECTED> |
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11:56.46 | Zxcvb | troffasky: there is a gui sync app |
11:57.22 | George- | I don't have any drift on my Z, btw |
11:57.26 | George- | Running OZ 3.0 |
11:57.39 | Zxcvb | troffasky: a gui for rdate |
11:57.50 | troffasky | is rdate like ntp? |
11:58.06 | Zxcvb | troffasky: sort of |
11:58.25 | Zxcvb | troffasky: it's not quite as accurate, but you don't have to keep it running for several hours/days to make it accurate |
11:58.33 | Zxcvb | troffasky: it's accurate to within a second or so |
11:58.48 | Zxcvb | troffasky: ntp is much more accurate, but requires days to stabilize |
11:59.34 | Zxcvb | troffasky: one second off isn't that big of a deal for me |
11:59.49 | troffasky | well me neither |
12:00.15 | George- | It is for me!!! |
12:00.16 | Zxcvb | troffasky: get rdate and syncronizeclock |
12:00.17 | George- | :) |
12:00.32 | Zxcvb | troffasky: and sync the clocks every so often |
12:01.15 | troffasky | well I've got ntp working now, and I'm too lazy change it ;-) |
12:02.53 | Zxcvb | troffasky: until you do a soft reset |
12:03.05 | Zxcvb | troffasky: and have to keep the Z internet connected for a day or so to stablize ntp |
12:03.16 | George- | this is weird |
12:03.22 | George- | I've not had any clock drift ever |
12:05.16 | ZzzTiger | i reda that the z has a mono-microphone (jack!?) - where is it? |
12:05.20 | ZzzTiger | read |
12:05.48 | smee|wrk | ZzzTiger: top left |
12:05.54 | George- | It's the same as the headphone |
12:06.03 | ZzzTiger | hmm... |
12:06.39 | ZzzTiger | how am i supposed to use zmeeting... is there a special connector that i can use headphone and mic at once? |
12:07.06 | troffasky | ZzzTiger: It's pronounced "soldering iron" ;-) |
12:08.13 | George- | hahaha |
12:08.42 | ZzzTiger | troff... sure.. but which pin is which.. a stereo connectors got three pins.. used for the headpohines... are the same used for the mic? is it mono headpjones + mono mic after all? |
12:08.58 | troffasky | i think the left one is the mic |
12:09.07 | George- | ZzzTiger: both sides can be used as output |
12:09.13 | George- | ZzzTiger: the left side doubles as input |
12:09.25 | troffasky | get a 3.5mm stereo to 2-mono Y connector |
12:09.51 | ZzzTiger | i guess i'll just modify some old headset... |
12:10.39 | ZzzTiger | left side is mic.. ok... is that he pin in the middle or the pin way down.. ? |
12:11.00 | troffasky | suck it and see |
12:11.17 | ZzzTiger | need for fora guitar tuner, too :) |
12:12.50 | troffasky | we need to set up a 'list of uses for the zaurus that sharp never thought of' pag |
12:12.51 | troffasky | e |
12:13.12 | troffasky | #1: mobile computing device ;-) |
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12:17.01 | Zxcvb | ack, how can masq my Z? |
12:17.15 | Zxcvb | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE doesn't work |
12:18.06 | tez | Have you enabled forwarding? |
12:19.01 | Zxcvb | yes |
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12:19.31 | Zxcvb | echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
12:19.38 | Zxcvb | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE |
12:20.34 | tez | I mean in iptables. |
12:20.44 | Zxcvb | yes |
12:21.17 | tez | iptables -A FORWARDING -i eth0 -o ppp0 -j allow |
12:21.31 | tez | (I'm not sure of the syntax, I'm not at my linux box) |
12:22.05 | Zxcvb | tez: that's usb0 |
12:24.59 | tez | Have you added a FORWARD rule the other way? |
12:25.44 | tez | -i ppp0 -o usb0 -j allow ? |
12:29.16 | tez | Oh, it's not allow, it's ACCEPT, of course. |
12:29.34 | Zxcvb | no effect |
12:29.44 | Zxcvb | iptables -A FORWARD -i usb0 -o ppp0 -j ACCEPT |
12:29.45 | Zxcvb | iptables -A FORWARD -i ppp0 -o usb0 -j ACCEPT |
12:29.45 | Zxcvb | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE |
12:29.49 | Zxcvb | after the echo |
12:29.51 | kybu | c!last |
12:29.53 | kybu | ups |
12:30.59 | Zxcvb | what am i doing wrong? |
12:31.22 | tez | Hmm. That's a stumper. The gateway box has no connection problems itself, presumably. |
12:31.29 | Zxcvb | no |
12:31.34 | Zxcvb | connecting through USB |
12:31.48 | tez | Have you told the zaurus the correct default route? |
12:33.31 | ZzzTiger | anyone successfully using some sms applikation via irda? if so. which? |
12:37.54 | Zxcvb | now i can't even ping the Z |
12:39.18 | tez | lol. Hmm, mysterious. |
12:39.58 | Zxcvb | rebootingh |
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12:49.31 | Zxcvb | got it working |
12:49.46 | Zxcvb | when using masq on my Z, no one can access the ftp on port 4242, right? |
12:50.45 | ZzzTiger | u have to load a masq module for ftp, too |
12:51.12 | Zxcvb | but by default, can someone on the internet access the ftp server on port 4242? |
12:51.23 | ZzzTiger | or sumhow the active/passive thingy is a little hrad to figure out...seems to hang at the LIST command with one of the options,... |
12:51.39 | Zxcvb | ZzzTiger: no, the ftp server on the Z |
12:51.51 | ZzzTiger | Zxcvb should if u allowed the ip in the security settings |
12:51.52 | Zxcvb | ZzzTiger: i have zaurus --> laptop --> internet |
12:51.54 | Zxcvb | ZzzTiger: the laptop is the gateway |
12:52.06 | tez | Zxcvb: Unless you explicitly port-forward, someone on the otherside of your gateway wouldn't be able to get to your Zaurus' ftp serer. |
12:52.22 | Zxcvb | tez: even with iptables? |
12:52.27 | Zxcvb | tez: if so, that's great |
12:54.28 | tez | iptables won't make your Zaurus visible by default to the outside world. |
12:54.51 | Zxcvb | tez: nice |
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13:27.22 | Com[Plex] | you could allways shut off the ftp server service |
13:29.04 | Com[Plex] | I connect mine directly to the internet. - static Ip address too. heh - probably not the safest thign to do, but I havent had anything on there that needed to eb saved or protected. - in fact, I usually invite people into the z to have a look around. |
13:29.32 | Zxcvb | isn't the ftp server only accessable through USB? |
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13:30.11 | Com[Plex] | Im allways setting up vnc for people to get a demo of the zaurus. - in fact, Ill bet Ive convered almost a dozen people to zaurus who were thinking about getting something else. |
13:30.32 | Zxcvb | i hope strongarm CPUs can't be overclocked in software |
13:30.39 | Zxcvb | or someone will set your Z to run at 2GHz |
13:30.53 | Com[Plex] | uh.. in the latest sharp roms, yes, its only accessable through usb. but previous versions let you connect, sync, etc over wifi or nic. |
13:31.04 | Com[Plex] | lol |
13:31.34 | George- | why the fuck did they do that? |
13:31.49 | Zxcvb | George-: so people don't rm -rf / your Z |
13:32.07 | Com[Plex] | http://wwwapps.ups.com/WebTracking/processInputRequest?HTMLVersion=5.0&sort_by=status&tracknums_displayed=5&TypeOfInquiryNumber=T&loc=en_US&InquiryNumber1=1z5ar2051200035075&InquiryNumber2=&InquiryNumber3=&InquiryNumber4=&InquiryNumber5=&AgreeToTermsAndConditions=yes&track.x=23&track.y=15 |
13:32.18 | George- | how fucked up can you get |
13:32.21 | Com[Plex] | my zaurus is still listed as "in transit" |
13:32.24 | Zxcvb | George-: though implementing a password would have been better |
13:32.25 | George- | just put a frickin' passwd there |
13:32.36 | Com[Plex] | George-: there wasnt a passwrd |
13:32.38 | Zxcvb | George-: can't do without rewriting qtopia desktop and the ftp server |
13:32.58 | Com[Plex] | Im still annoyed that vnc dosnt have a password tho |
13:33.09 | George- | wtf?!?!!?!? |
13:33.44 | Com[Plex] | george: the original sharp roms were just beta |
13:34.23 | Com[Plex] | they never suspetd that the hand held needed to eb "secure" - when it became obvious, they built an updated rom. much more "secure" |
13:34.49 | Zxcvb | but they didn't think of a password to control syncing? |
13:34.51 | Zxcvb | i should patent that |
13:35.17 | Com[Plex] | heh. doesnt that go against the whole gpl idea ? |
13:35.42 | Zxcvb | not if the patent is licensed as free for use on all Free Software |
13:39.25 | George- | who was it that had his Z lost by UPS? |
13:40.44 | Com[Plex] | me |
13:40.55 | Com[Plex] | I found it tho. but UPS doesnt know it yet |
13:42.02 | George- | ? |
13:42.11 | Com[Plex] | sharp has it. I called them yesterday, and they had it, had even worked on it that aternoon. - backordered parts tho :< - UPS delivered it monday without tracking it. |
13:42.38 | Com[Plex] | so the reason they coudlnt find it when I called them over and over again was because they didnt have it anymore. |
13:42.40 | George- | what's wrong with your Z? |
13:43.47 | Com[Plex] | well. initially I thought it just needed to be reflashed. I stuf a cf card in there to put the sharp rom on it for testing, and the damned thing crapped out. - after a ten mnute flash, I tested the cf card in mywriter, and it said it was unformatted. |
13:44.01 | Com[Plex] | - Id been using the same cf card since january last year |
13:44.35 | Com[Plex] | anwyay, the zaurus went dead. - but when I talked to sharp yesterday,they said they were replacing a board in it.. |
13:45.18 | Com[Plex] | I wish I lived in naperville illinois,. I would dumpster dive that place every day |
13:45.20 | George- | ok |
13:45.31 | Com[Plex] | lol |
13:46.04 | Com[Plex] | I should have kept my battery and screen protector tho. - I got bad luck with things like that. - my extras tend toget "lost" |
13:46.26 | Com[Plex] | just like my packages from ups |
13:46.33 | George- | lol |
13:46.40 | Com[Plex] | man, I dont wanna go to work today |
13:46.58 | Com[Plex] | *sigh*. I can be such a sissy.- I ot the easiest job in the world. |
13:47.10 | George- | which is? |
13:47.33 | Com[Plex] | I teach alternative ed computer literacy. high school level. |
13:47.51 | Com[Plex] | dropout recovery program, with the vocational center and stuff. |
13:47.52 | George- | arggh!!! teacher!!! |
13:48.03 | Com[Plex] | I get all the bad kids. |
13:48.13 | Com[Plex] | they love me tho, because I was a bad kid too :> |
13:48.58 | Com[Plex] | these kisd teach themselves, - I just keep em occupied. all they need is someone to stick up for them, and to teach em a little self respect. - Im good at that. |
13:49.08 | George- | lol |
13:49.14 | George- | you're..a..teacher... |
13:49.18 | George- | EVIL |
13:49.19 | George- | ;) |
13:51.52 | Com[Plex] | why do you say that? |
13:52.10 | Com[Plex] | your problem is that the teachers you have had in the past didnt like there jobs. |
13:52.27 | Com[Plex] | I DO like my job, and I feel like IM doing somehting good forthe world. |
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13:53.11 | Com[Plex] | most teachers nowdays are sick of it, but they wont quit because thats all they know how to do, and its secure. - but they take it out on there kids. |
13:53.39 | Com[Plex] | as soon as I start acting like that, Ill quit. - I can do all kinds of other things. |
13:54.22 | Com[Plex] | ahh well. time for me to go. cya later |
13:54.34 | George- | Com[Plex]: I'm still at school :) |
13:54.43 | George- | Com[Plex]: And I've just received my school report... |
13:54.46 | George- | =P |
13:55.13 | George- | some people bitch about the most annoying things |
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14:14.02 | benmeyer | Morning |
14:14.34 | Johnmcl7 | Afternoon ;) |
14:15.03 | benmeyer | hmm /. doesn't seem to be working |
14:15.16 | George- | benmeyer: it's prolly been /.'d |
14:16.23 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin |
14:16.36 | Cloudchaser | hey benmeyer..did you find a good place to get tickypip levels? |
14:16.45 | benmeyer | google |
14:16.46 | benmeyer | :-D |
14:16.50 | Cloudchaser | i did |
14:16.55 | Cloudchaser | lot of bad links and the like |
14:17.05 | Cloudchaser | found one place, downloaded netwalk demo |
14:17.05 | benmeyer | yah |
14:17.18 | Cloudchaser | unzipped it and took the levels .. so i have 33 at the moment |
14:17.20 | benmeyer | but I eneded up with 2 packs each with 20 or so levels |
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14:17.46 | Cloudchaser | i think the other way is to buy netwalk and get free levels from there |
14:18.05 | Cloudchaser | i might look into that |
14:18.59 | Cloudchaser | its 10.00 for the game, and it looks like the extra levels are free |
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14:51.49 | chouimat | morning |
14:52.28 | chouimat | benmeyer: the zip works |
14:58.30 | mark | hi Cloudchaser, chouimat |
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15:20.05 | warmi | hi |
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15:21.44 | Tha-Saint | hi |
15:22.29 | Tha-Saint | nobody here ? |
15:22.32 | Tha-Saint | :) |
15:24.28 | Tha-Saint | someoneeith a german sl5500g here and openzaurusinstalled ? |
15:39.51 | ZzzTiger | yes |
15:40.37 | Tha-Saint | ZzzTiger: can i query you ? |
15:40.47 | ZzzTiger | sure |
15:48.07 | ZzzTiger | zauruszone.com/feed |
15:52.10 | cor | ZzzTiger: what's at that address? aren't ppl suppose to pay for those software packages? |
15:53.19 | ZzzTiger | ? |
15:53.31 | ZzzTiger | no |
15:53.35 | ZzzTiger | they are not |
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15:53.49 | ZzzTiger | theres a lot of freewar in there |
15:53.52 | ZzzTiger | +e |
15:53.54 | Piete | hey all |
15:54.19 | ZzzTiger | hi Piete |
15:54.21 | cor | ZzzTiger: oh, i thought i seen some packages that were for sale elsewhere, maybe not |
15:54.46 | ZzzTiger | cor: which e.g. ? |
15:56.28 | cor | BDicty? |
15:56.51 | ZzzTiger | is on sale? |
15:57.07 | ZzzTiger | maybe sumething like graphit! (lite and full...) |
15:58.27 | cor | no emacs :( |
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16:08.49 | sebd | hello |
16:09.54 | sebd | last week I talked here with someone who could not get his zaurus talk with his linux box - I can't remember his nickname. Are you here ? |
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16:15.14 | benmeyer | hi sebd |
16:15.23 | benmeyer | yah I got it working with my linux box |
16:15.26 | benmeyer | what distro? |
16:15.52 | sebd | benmeyer: hi - i am with mandrake 9.0 |
16:16.13 | benmeyer | http://us.mandrakesoft.com/zaurus/zaurus.html |
16:16.23 | benmeyer | there is a good howto |
16:16.26 | benmeyer | for mandrake 9 |
16:16.29 | sebd | excellent :) |
16:16.31 | sebd | thanks |
16:17.02 | benmeyer | brb |
16:24.28 | Piete | nite |
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16:27.38 | darius | does anyone move and link their bin directories to CF or SD? |
16:28.26 | Com[Plex] | I have a bin dir on my sd card. but I didnt Move it there. - I dont know why anyone would want to with Oz. |
16:29.04 | darius | I'm not using Oz... but I want to make my PDA as restorable as possible if it crashes and I lose the RAM contents |
16:31.53 | darius | I'm thinking of moving/linking the root home directory too .. is that sane to do? |
16:34.03 | GlaD | bye |
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16:44.33 | kergoth | yo |
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17:03.50 | mark | ibot seen george- |
17:03.50 | | george- <~Test@m168-mp1.cvx2-b.bre.dial.ntli.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #zaurus, 2h 48m 34s ago, saying: 'benmeyer: it's prolly been /.'d'. |
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17:34.07 | kergoth | hey JasonNJ |
17:34.31 | JasonNJ | blah. |
17:34.50 | JasonNJ | this dynamism thing is one big headache |
17:35.00 | kergoth | how so? |
17:35.38 | JasonNJ | because I cant support the SL-C700 in the us |
17:35.57 | JasonNJ | the problem is that end users perceive sharp as one big entity, not two separate companies |
17:35.59 | kergoth | they'll have to do their own support .. course it reflects on Sharp |
17:36.03 | JasonNJ | sharp japan and sharp US |
17:36.04 | kergoth | yeah, exactly |
17:37.10 | numatrix | JasonNJ: they're pretty explicit that the language change and support is all in their shop, isn't it? |
17:37.51 | JasonNJ | yeah, but it reflects badly on us if anything goes wrong. |
17:38.57 | chouimat | JasonNJ: peoples are assholes. and that will be worst in the future ... come on they don't know how to read |
17:47.43 | mark | JasonNJ: u'll just have to release it in the US officially then ;) |
17:48.10 | JasonNJ | mark: easier said than done. |
17:48.23 | JasonNJ | the C700 has a battery life of about 20 minutes. |
17:48.38 | mark | heh, yeah. that sucks |
17:48.50 | JasonNJ | thats the main reason why we didnt accept it in the US |
17:49.00 | JasonNJ | in Japan, they use PDA's hooked up to AC power |
17:49.02 | JasonNJ | they are used to that |
17:49.14 | JasonNJ | as sorta desktop electronic rolodexes. |
17:50.06 | mark | why the awful battery life? is it that screen? |
17:53.12 | JasonNJ | the C700 has a 1000ma battery |
17:53.28 | JasonNJ | thats about the same size as a SL-5500 battery |
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17:53.40 | JasonNJ | the CG screen draws a lot of power |
17:54.13 | ZzzTiger | JasonNJ: what about the battery size of the 5600 - wh didnt they use that - its supposed to have 1750 mAh or so!? |
17:54.52 | mark | its bigger |
17:55.09 | ZzzTiger | than the 5500's ? |
17:55.51 | ZzzTiger | didnt look like it actualy.... |
17:55.56 | ZzzTiger | +l |
17:56.41 | mark | doesn't it stick out of the back? |
17:56.48 | mark | or somethign? |
17:56.56 | tez | I've heard it will bulge slightly. |
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17:57.04 | ZzzTiger | hmmm |
17:57.38 | tez | I'm hoping I can get the new battery and appropriate battery cover for the 5500... |
17:57.54 | ZzzTiger | someone posted a link to pictures of the 5600... on one of them i could read the battery ID number.. EA...blah... couldnt find it at elctronic stores though |
17:58.28 | ZzzTiger | i dont think that sharp invented a whole new battery stadard... so we just have to find the electronic device where this battery is already being used................ |
17:58.47 | tez | Yes, that seems reasonable. |
17:59.21 | tez | Anyway, Sharp supply replacement 5500 batteries, so I assume they will for the 5600 when it comes out. I hope. |
17:59.34 | ZzzTiger | yes they should |
17:59.44 | mark | i just purchased another battery for my 5000 |
17:59.44 | ZzzTiger | but prolly way too expensive... dont u think? |
17:59.55 | tez | Hmm. Don't know... |
18:00.58 | tez | I'm going to have to wait and see, I guess. |
18:01.33 | tez | How come? |
18:01.40 | ZzzTiger | europe |
18:01.47 | tez | I'll be in the UK. |
18:02.00 | ZzzTiger | ok... maybe same $hit over there... |
18:02.10 | tez | Yeah, most probably! |
18:02.19 | mark | tez: heh, we dont know if the new Z is gonna be sold here |
18:02.33 | ZzzTiger | when its supposed to hit the us in january... its gonna hit our stores in march or so.. if at all |
18:02.38 | tez | But when the 5600 does come out, I think the battery model number will be easy to find. |
18:02.53 | ZzzTiger | tez: i alread had the battery modell number!!! |
18:03.05 | ZzzTiger | just have to find the pictures again... on the net |
18:03.08 | mark | ZzzTiger: i'm gonna phone sharp and try and find out |
18:03.17 | ZzzTiger | jo mark! |
18:03.20 | tez | ZzzTiger: Oh, I thoght you said you only got a little part of it. |
18:03.41 | ZzzTiger | whats the model number of the current battery? |
18:03.49 | tez | mark: I think grey market importers will bring it into the UK. Just very late, that's all. |
18:03.52 | ZzzTiger | i kinda remember numbers... |
18:04.36 | tez | EA-BL06 |
18:04.43 | ZzzTiger | ok |
18:04.50 | ZzzTiger | then the new one is EA-BL08 |
18:05.17 | tez | Nice one! |
18:05.33 | tez | (time for froogle) |
18:06.02 | tez | Damn, no such luck. |
18:06.43 | ZzzTiger | only thing u find are the specs for the 5600 or sl-b500 how it is called in japan... |
18:07.19 | tez | Yeah, I just tried a search. Anyway, if what I heard about the new battery beig physically larger, I would need to get a new battery cover too. |
18:07.44 | ZzzTiger | well i dont know about physically larger... |
18:08.14 | ZzzTiger | dont think that they would sell a single battery cover, too... |
18:08.24 | ZzzTiger | or do they for the 5500 ? |
18:08.33 | tez | I have no idea. |
18:08.52 | tez | I suppose I'd have to email/phone and find out if they could send one or something. |
18:09.06 | ZzzTiger | yes... just try to be stupid :) |
18:09.13 | ZzzTiger | to sound stupid |
18:09.14 | ZzzTiger | :) |
18:09.21 | tez | Exactly. |
18:09.33 | tez | "I keep it off to keep it running cool" |
18:09.36 | tez | or something. |
18:09.50 | ZzzTiger | EA-BL08 might be sharps internal ID'S ... i bet the same batters is ubeing used it multiple other devices... just under different names |
18:10.25 | ZzzTiger | "oh, so then we better dont send u a new one, because u wont be able to let u'r Z stay cool anymore" |
18:10.38 | tez | Ah, I really am stupid. |
18:10.40 | ZzzTiger | no... u'r dog ate it or sumfin |
18:10.51 | ZzzTiger | or your cute little sister |
18:11.27 | ZzzTiger | or so.. sumfin humanly interesting for the call center employee.... |
18:11.37 | ZzzTiger | humnaly... does this word exist at all? |
18:11.39 | ZzzTiger | :) |
18:12.28 | ZzzTiger | shaps internal ID's all seem to start with 'EA' ... the AC adapter is called EA-72 ... *grrrrrr* |
18:13.17 | tez | I starting to lose hope with this idea that other manufacturers make the same battery under a different name. |
18:13.37 | __darius_ | If I linked /home to my SD card .. would that be bad? Are there a lot of various write operations that would burn up my memory card? |
18:13.44 | tez | Google's not revealing any sites that sell alteratives to sharp's battery. |
18:14.04 | ZzzTiger | tez: because of the diffrent name! |
18:14.35 | ZzzTiger | tez: dont think that they had the money to develop and get permissions for a wholne new kind of battery |
18:14.43 | tez | ZzzTiger: Yeah, but I'd imagine some site would at least mention "compatible with the EA-BL06" |
18:14.50 | ZzzTiger | hmm |
18:14.54 | ZzzTiger | right |
18:15.05 | ZzzTiger | the Z is not that 'famous' though |
18:15.19 | ZzzTiger | seems to be more of an insinder thingy :) |
18:22.53 | Cloudchaser | hello. does anyone know if zaurus general moved? |
18:29.07 | benmeyer | it will if it hasn't |
18:29.18 | Cloudchaser | i thought maybe that was the case |
18:29.31 | Cloudchaser | i was getting to the list from news.le.org |
18:29.35 | Cloudchaser | but..no more |
18:29.43 | Cloudchaser | so i thought maybe it was moving |
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18:43.21 | Neo|Work | kergoth: hows that gcc 3.2 toolset/sdk coming along? |
18:44.53 | kergoth | Neo|Work: havent had a chance to mess with it |
18:45.02 | kergoth | Neo|Work: working on 2.4.19 |
18:45.15 | kergoth | Neo|Work: boots, and mtd works, and the LCD turns on and i see a perty penguin |
18:45.30 | kergoth | ;) |
18:46.09 | Neo|Work | good good. :P |
18:46.20 | Neo|Work | even though I still need to get a new CF *righ* |
18:46.27 | Neo|Work | I don't know how I can keep from losing stuff |
18:46.32 | benmeyer | haha |
18:46.37 | benmeyer | There was a Tekken movie |
18:46.39 | benmeyer | http://animeworld.com/reviews/tekken.html |
18:47.01 | benmeyer | as for how that came up for when I search for Sharp Motion Art I am not sure |
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18:53.30 | Cloudchaser | hello Neo|Work: i finally got IF last night :)...still haven't gotten past the first level but i'm having fun with it |
18:53.39 | Cloudchaser | thank you :) |
18:54.17 | Neo|Work | Cloudchaser: I saw that. Thank you. :) |
18:54.49 | Cloudchaser | hehe i'd have done it sooner if i was employed...but going on long car trip tomorrow so i wanted something to play along the way |
18:55.37 | Neo|Work | I am employed and I still understand. |
18:56.03 | Cloudchaser | its tough sometimes |
19:00.18 | ljp_work | meow |
19:00.59 | Neo|Work | talking about cats |
19:01.40 | Neo|Work | a week or so ago, my mother-in-law was leaving (she had stayed the night to take care of the kids because we had a christmas party to attend) |
19:02.01 | Neo|Work | and when she got into her car and turned it on a tiny kitten ran out straight to my wife and jumped into her arms |
19:02.11 | Neo|Work | cutest thing I've seen in a long time |
19:02.26 | Neo|Work | we had it throughout the day but (unfortunately? :-) found the owner, a neighbour, in the evening |
19:02.33 | Cloudchaser | aww |
19:02.44 | Cloudchaser | glad it didn't get hurt in the fan! |
19:02.46 | Neo|Work | they don't deserve to have pets - it had run out and they didn't even know (it was way too little to be outside on the street by itself) |
19:03.00 | Cloudchaser | poor little thing |
19:03.02 | Neo|Work | it was under the car, not in it.. |
19:03.10 | Neo|Work | it had been out all night and was absolutely starving |
19:03.24 | Cloudchaser | poor baby :( my kitty stays in the house and gets fat |
19:03.42 | kergoth | mine too. he needs more exercise |
19:03.48 | kergoth | i try to play with him, but he gets bored easy |
19:03.55 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
19:03.59 | Cloudchaser | my kitty still plays |
19:04.04 | kergoth | i throw a ball across the room.. he chases it.. but hwen it stops moving, he'll stop chasing it dead in his tracks |
19:04.08 | kergoth | wont even bother catching up to it |
19:04.12 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
19:04.13 | kergoth | he's like, ahhh fuck it |
19:04.16 | benmeyer | haha, I think it is the destiny of all cats to stay indoors and get fat |
19:04.17 | kergoth | its amusing |
19:04.24 | Cloudchaser | i use a laser pointer and my kitty chases that |
19:04.32 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: i should pick up one of those |
19:04.39 | kergoth | i need like a motorized mouse |
19:04.41 | benmeyer | combine it with catnip |
19:04.43 | kergoth | that moves when it picks up motion |
19:04.43 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
19:04.44 | kergoth | or something |
19:05.07 | Cloudchaser | i have an animated santa sitting at a computer holding a mouse |
19:05.20 | Cloudchaser | caught my kitty batting at the mouse today :) |
19:05.31 | benmeyer | or even better yet buy a catnip bush and grow it from a plant hanging from the celine. Months of entertainment (asuming that the celien is high enough) right there |
19:05.34 | Neo|Work | all our cats end up rather chubby |
19:05.55 | Cloudchaser | you'd be hiding that catnip after a couple days ;) |
19:06.03 | Neo|Work | kergoth: if you have hard floors get a mini-rc car |
19:06.05 | Cloudchaser | if there was anything left of it |
19:06.05 | Neo|Work | works wonders |
19:06.52 | Neo|Work | I'd love having a room which had fuzzy walls, walkways and stuff |
19:07.57 | benmeyer | hell 24 of them: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3100553446 |
19:07.58 | benmeyer | haha |
19:08.13 | Neo|Work | like one big cat toy |
19:08.14 | benmeyer | Neo|Work: jsut have a kid |
19:09.10 | Neo|Work | benmeyer: that's quite a good deal if you're into reselling I guess. :P |
19:09.15 | Neo|Work | and I have two kids |
19:09.24 | Neo|Work | they climb but not on the walls yet |
19:10.09 | benmeyer | :-D |
19:10.41 | Neo|Work | but man do they climb |
19:11.01 | kergoth | i remember climbing everything as a kid, always freaking out my mom |
19:11.03 | kergoth | that was fun |
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19:11.14 | kergoth | "Chris, get down from the roof, NOW!" |
19:11.19 | kergoth | "why?" |
19:13.26 | Neo|Work | they aren't quite old enough for that yet, but they climb everything inside the house if we let them |
19:13.29 | benmeyer | http://freshmeat.net/projects/ziproxy/?topic_id=907 |
19:13.32 | benmeyer | cool |
19:13.35 | kergoth | hehe |
19:13.37 | kergoth | Neo|Work: how old? |
19:20.16 | mark | hehe, i could never climb anything |
19:22.13 | Neo|Work | kergoth: 19.5 months |
19:22.33 | kergoth | Neo|Work: ah :) they wreaking havok yet? |
19:23.29 | Neo|Work | ++yes |
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19:55.11 | Neo|Work | man, quiet today |
19:55.44 | Dilb | hi |
19:55.45 | djk | very |
19:56.03 | djk | I say some people are cramming for exams ;-) |
19:58.46 | djk | anybody seen the Zaurus case in a store. I know they have it available online but I would like to try it before buying it. |
19:58.58 | Neo|Work | school. I seem to remember doing that a long time ago |
19:59.29 | Locutus4242 | Any of you interested in a stackless Bluetooth solution for the Z? |
19:59.35 | djk | yes the end of the semester holiday pressure can't wait to get home |
20:00.16 | djk | no use for bluetooth not sure I ever will either |
20:00.43 | Locutus4242 | djk: got 802.11? |
20:00.49 | djk | yes |
20:01.04 | djk | nice to walk around the house and yard |
20:02.14 | Neo|Work | and I work dang it. :P |
20:02.16 | Locutus4242 | I hear ya and like the 802.11 also. If using barcode scanner, DMM, etc though Bluetooth makes for a nice addition. |
20:02.23 | Neo|Work | all these kids ahve more toys I have. that's WRONG! :) |
20:02.40 | djk | I didn't until a month ago got tease too much with the idea of wire free Z and laptop |
20:03.26 | djk | I agree but they aren't paying a mortage |
20:04.11 | Neo|Work | right |
20:04.15 | Neo|Work | or supporting a family etc |
20:04.21 | djk | yeap |
20:04.48 | djk | though it is good to have a job. too many friends looking for one |
20:05.02 | Neo|Work | I never realized how nice it was to be a kid / teenager until I was past that ' |
20:05.13 | Neo|Work | now I regret wasting so much time. :P |
20:05.24 | Neo|Work | djk: indeed |
20:05.55 | Neo|Work | some time back I had the choice of being laid off with 2-3 months pay total (ro something along those lines) or take a position in the company that I really didn't want |
20:06.01 | djk | I knew at the time just couldn't figure out how to stop the clock ;-) |
20:06.08 | Neo|Work | took it naturally since I couldn't have found a job most likely |
20:06.27 | Neo|Work | well, such simple things as playing games for 24 hours in a row |
20:06.32 | djk | wise move you can alway look |
20:06.42 | Neo|Work | right |
20:07.29 | djk | oh for the 90's and you could change jobs every week ;-) of I never did but at least I am still employeed |
20:07.35 | Neo|Work | I was tempted though |
20:07.42 | kergoth | JasonNJ: ping |
20:07.43 | Neo|Work | spending time with the kids and stuff would have been really nice |
20:08.00 | Neo|Work | back then I worked from home |
20:08.00 | Neo|Work | :P |
20:08.08 | Neo|Work | and had no kids. heh |
20:08.47 | djk | kids are fun, drive you nuts and thrill you at the same time |
20:10.22 | Neo|Work | almost 20 months old, and absolutely crazy. :P |
20:10.24 | Neo|Work | times two |
20:10.49 | Neo|Work | as they say, you never knew what pure and unconditional love is until you have kids. :) |
20:11.06 | djk | bummer |
20:11.46 | kergoth | ibot: message for JasonNJ: my account on zaurus.com doesnt seem to have forums access, can you fix that? thanks |
20:11.50 | djk | you just have the 20 mo old |
20:12.45 | Neo|Work | twins |
20:12.57 | djk | oh the fun ahead of you |
20:13.05 | Neo|Work | indeed |
20:13.09 | Neo|Work | looking forward to that |
20:13.16 | Neo|Work | I just want them to come out of the "eat everything' |
20:13.18 | Neo|Work | <PROTECTED> |
20:13.20 | ZzzTiger | anyone successfully using an icq clinet on his Z? if so, which one? |
20:13.39 | Neo|Work | I hope that by summer we can play in the backyard, got to the beach etc w/o them eating bark, sand or other stuff |
20:13.52 | djk | I used ZIC at one for IRC |
20:14.02 | ZzzTiger | ICQ |
20:14.11 | Neo|Work | djk: iCQ not iRC |
20:14.12 | Neo|Work | :) |
20:14.13 | ZzzTiger | != IRC |
20:14.24 | djk | sorry I am blind |
20:14.35 | ZzzTiger | got a braille display? |
20:14.41 | djk | there a couple of jabber clients |
20:14.49 | Neo|Work | Evan likes to eat anything fuzzy/furry. he eats fuzz of his pj's, fur from stuffed toys, cat fur off the floow |
20:14.53 | ZzzTiger | jabber... supports icq? |
20:15.05 | Locutus4242 | djk: btw, what 802.11 card do you use and how's the battery life? |
20:15.10 | Neo|Work | and interestingly enough (this was very funny) fur directly from the source - pulling it off the cat |
20:15.16 | Neo|Work | ZzzTiger: yes |
20:15.24 | ZzzTiger | Neo|Work : lol |
20:15.31 | Neo|Work | and we got that on tape too |
20:15.32 | djk | Ah now that you mention maybe not. I am hoping to see a GAIM client |
20:15.38 | Neo|Work | cat got rather irritated at him. :P |
20:15.48 | ZzzTiger | Neo|Work which one could u recommend at killefiz? |
20:16.08 | Neo|Work | the gabber SERVER has agent support, one of them being icq (and AIM, MSN, Yahoo, IRC etc) |
20:16.10 | djk | I got the Ambicom works well has a low 17ma draw in idle state |
20:16.11 | Locutus4242 | you guys heard that AOL got a patent on instant messaging? |
20:16.38 | djk | If you are using for a long time get a battery pack |
20:16.43 | Neo|Work | ZzzTiger: for Jabber? try the free one first. :P |
20:16.56 | djk | when did they get the patent |
20:17.01 | Neo|Work | I never personally use my Z for that since I don't have wireless and never use it networked unless I'm near a computer |
20:17.20 | Locutus4242 | djl: I think it was just awarded. they filed in Jan 1997. |
20:17.41 | Neo|Work | when did ICQ and all those come? |
20:18.22 | Locutus4242 | Actually, I know of something that predates ICQ( Nov 1996 ) and could invalidate the AOL patent. ;) |
20:18.28 | Neo|Work | mirabilis.com was Dec 1998 at least |
20:18.42 | Neo|Work | I doubt it can be enforced |
20:18.49 | djk | I wonder what their patent states IRC could be considered IM |
20:18.51 | Neo|Work | unless it's something specific unique to aim or whatever |
20:19.03 | Neo|Work | not to mention things like unix 'talk' |
20:19.40 | Neo|Work | n November 1996, only four months after the establishment of Mirabilis, the first version of the ICQ ("I Seek You") product was deployed over the Internet. |
20:19.41 | Locutus4242 | they went after finding other users( registering with a name and getting an id(IP) ) plus some other stuff. |
20:20.03 | Neo|Work | if the AOL patent is from 1998 and is broad enough or whatever, it will never hold up |
20:20.09 | djk | got be the 'AOL' only stuff that is protected. Anything at a concept level was in public domain long before |
20:20.21 | Neo|Work | got any links for the patent? |
20:20.59 | Locutus4242 | They filed in the US in Jan 1997 |
20:21.12 | ZzzTiger | [Note:] You will need to install libexpat1_1.95.2-fam1_arm.ipk in the pda first! <-- where can i get that?? |
20:21.41 | Locutus4242 | hang on, I'll get a uspto.gov link to the patent.... |
20:24.13 | Locutus4242 | http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=6449344.WKU.&OS=PN/6449344&RS=PN/6449344 |
20:24.40 | Locutus4242 | here's the news.com article: |
20:24.43 | Locutus4242 | http://news.com.com/2100-1023-978234.html |
20:25.35 | Neo|Work | so it's actually ICQ that filed it or something |
20:25.40 | Neo|Work | which might make more sense |
20:25.43 | Neo|Work | ICQ was before AIM |
20:25.50 | Neo|Work | and of course is today owned by AOL |
20:26.55 | Locutus4242 | There is something that predates ICQ by a couple of months so it could be that the patend is void. Prior art in the public domain... |
20:26.57 | djk | Reads a bit broad and seems late in the game since there were several 'IM' program out years before in the public domain |
20:27.27 | Neo|Work | now of course I wouldn't mind if they sued Microsoft or Yahoo so much |
20:27.36 | Neo|Work | but if they fscked up Jabber I'd be pissed |
20:27.43 | djk | as stated before talk, IRC, old fashioned BBS Live Chat |
20:27.51 | Neo|Work | right |
20:28.10 | Neo|Work | The claim is it's a system where you have a network; you have a way to monitor who's on the network; and if you want to talk to them you hook them up," said Gregory Aharonian, publisher of Internet Patent News Service, a newsletter that's critical of technology patents. "If you're doing something like that, you're potentially infringing." |
20:28.15 | Neo|Work | that describes IRC |
20:28.18 | Locutus4242 | It reads to me like they think they invened using a server and an ID or naming system for finding a users IP address. Plus stuff about user data and notifications on connection. |
20:28.35 | ZzzTiger | qtjim needs some library.. i cant find it... where could i look? qpe-base (1.5.0) libexpat1_1.95.2-fam1_arm.ipk <- this one |
20:28.50 | kergoth | ZzzTiger: qpe-base you just -force-depends |
20:28.53 | kergoth | ZzzTiger: the package is flawed |
20:28.54 | Neo|Work | ZzzTiger: part of familiar, on handhelds.org somewhere perhaps? |
20:29.02 | kergoth | ZzzTiger: expat you can get from ipkgfind.handhelds.org |
20:29.04 | Neo|Work | kergoth: he needs expat |
20:29.22 | ZzzTiger | hmm |
20:29.34 | djk | I would rather they keep pounding spammers with suites. I liked hearing yesterdays win of $7M against a porn spammer |
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20:34.21 | JasonNJ | have you guys ever sat down in a public bathroom stall, and then get the chilling feeling youve gone into the ladies room? |
20:34.37 | Cloudchaser | lol |
20:34.41 | Cloudchaser | you didn't! |
20:34.47 | djk | no but I have a friend that did |
20:34.52 | JasonNJ | no, but it still freaks me out |
20:34.55 | kergoth | lol |
20:35.01 | JasonNJ | the light hit th paint a certain way |
20:35.05 | Locutus4242 | did you see a cross dresser sit next to you? |
20:35.06 | JasonNJ | it didnt look right |
20:35.14 | djk | of course that friend has lots of stories he can tell on himself |
20:35.25 | kergoth | JasonNJ: get my botmail message? |
20:35.27 | JasonNJ | well, I kept looking underneath the door gap to see what their shoes look like |
20:35.32 | JasonNJ | botmail? |
20:35.39 | JasonNJ | which bot |
20:35.59 | kergoth | JasonNJ: ibot. stupid thing, you have to cycle to get notified |
20:36.07 | kergoth | JasonNJ: my account on zaurus.com doesnt have forums access |
20:36.15 | JasonNJ | huh? |
20:36.19 | JasonNJ | whats your userid |
20:36.23 | kergoth | JasonNJ: i cant login to forums, says the pass is wrong |
20:36.26 | kergoth | JasonNJ: i can login to the main site |
20:36.28 | JasonNJ | kergoth |
20:36.35 | JasonNJ | ok gimme a password let me fix it |
20:36.50 | JasonNJ | gimme the same one on the sourceforge |
20:37.00 | kergoth | hold, let me remember which it was |
20:38.23 | kergoth | oh, i cant login to the root dev site either, just sf |
20:38.29 | kergoth | alright let me check the pass |
20:44.11 | djk | JasonNJ: you seen the Zaurus case in any stores yet? Could you ask your Sharp buddies if it is? |
20:45.11 | Cloudchaser | JasonNJ: is the zaurus general list in the process of moving? |
20:45.15 | JasonNJ | kergoth: you gonna upload OZ to the sourceforge site? |
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20:45.25 | JasonNJ | Cloud: yeah, but we havent done it yet |
20:45.40 | JasonNJ | we gotta get all the mailinglist functionality working |
20:45.49 | Cloudchaser | ok..thought maybe it was..couldn't get to it via news.le.org as i usually do |
20:45.54 | kergoth | JasonNJ: not sure, it doesnt match proper structure in order to add it to our download page as a mirror on the site |
20:46.27 | Cloudchaser | JasonNJ: would there be any possible way to...allow more than 8 letters for a login on the new boards? |
20:46.45 | Cloudchaser | and also allow an option for non-dev folks? |
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20:52.17 | djk | JasonNJ: I guess you have no comment on the case :-( |
20:56.36 | Cloudchaser | that golf scorz program looks nice for golferes |
20:56.39 | Cloudchaser | golfers |
20:56.49 | Neo|Work | Cloudchaser: you don't need to sign up as a developer afaik |
20:56.56 | Cloudchaser | i did have to neo |
20:57.15 | Cloudchaser | i went to register and it only have dev, then 3 pages of questionaire |
20:57.19 | Cloudchaser | that i had to lie on |
20:57.23 | Cloudchaser | :) |
20:57.32 | Cloudchaser | and..my name was toooo long :) |
20:57.36 | Neo|Work | you just ignore those pages |
20:57.40 | Neo|Work | that's the part that isn't clear |
20:57.43 | Cloudchaser | ah |
20:57.51 | Cloudchaser | i didn't know i could.. had a pile of required fields |
20:57.51 | Neo|Work | i.e once you get to those three pages, you're already signed up for the forums etc |
20:57.55 | Neo|Work | just not the sourceforge page |
20:57.56 | Neo|Work | right |
20:58.07 | Neo|Work | it's very unclear - I complained about that already. :P |
20:58.35 | Cloudchaser | ah well i'm signed up for everything now i guess |
20:59.04 | Cloudchaser | but if anyone actually reads that stuff they'll know its all garbage ;) |
20:59.39 | Neo|Work | much/most of it doesn't apply to open source developers either |
20:59.46 | Neo|Work | very enterprise-geared |
21:02.26 | benmeyer | yup |
21:02.31 | benmeyer | sorry |
21:02.45 | benmeyer | that is the "target" |
21:04.43 | benmeyer | He accidentally got involved with drivers for flash devices during a vacation placement at Nortel, and since playing with embedded Linux seems to mean that lots of people send him cute toys to play with, he hasn't given it up yet. |
21:04.45 | benmeyer | haha |
21:05.07 | benmeyer | speaking about David Woodhouse |
21:05.15 | kergoth | lol |
21:05.16 | kergoth | thats great |
21:05.26 | benmeyer | David now works for Red Hat in Cambridge, England, where as an added bonus they actually pay him a salary as well as providing toys. |
21:06.34 | kergoth | hehe |
21:07.02 | kergoth | david's a cool guy |
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21:27.15 | benmeyer | What would be good to have in an application cirtification program? |
21:27.23 | benmeyer | run valengrind on it |
21:27.29 | benmeyer | check install uninstall |
21:27.41 | benmeyer | what else? |
21:27.52 | kergoth | s/valen/val/; |
21:27.54 | kergoth | :) |
21:28.03 | chouimat | benmeyer: you will do an arm valgrind in the xmas holiday? thanks man |
21:28.14 | chouimat | :) |
21:28.16 | kergoth | hehe |
21:28.26 | benmeyer | na, just recompile for x86 and test there |
21:28.40 | chouimat | benmeyer: and he must run on the x86 :) |
21:28.45 | chouimat | s/he/it |
21:28.46 | benmeyer | yup |
21:29.12 | chouimat | benmeyer: I was thinking about cachegrind |
21:29.44 | JasonNJ | how the hell do you read botmail |
21:30.06 | kergoth | JasonNJ: /msg ibot botmail check |
21:30.10 | kergoth | JasonNJ: /msg ibot botmail read |
21:30.16 | kergoth | JasonNJ: (repeat read command) |
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21:32.01 | rw2 | anyone know if the source for qtopia desktop is available? |
21:32.10 | benmeyer | nopoe |
21:32.15 | benmeyer | it is not, never will be |
21:32.27 | benmeyer | TrollTech though they could make money with it |
21:32.30 | rw2 | benmeyer: bummer. |
21:32.45 | benmeyer | yup |
21:33.04 | rw2 | benmeyer: any alternatives? |
21:33.16 | benmeyer | nope |
21:33.33 | Johnmcl7 | :O |
21:33.43 | rw2 | benmeyer: BTW, I see you on the mail list a lot. Thanks for your help on a number of issues in the past. |
21:33.56 | benmeyer | sure thing |
21:33.59 | benmeyer | I get paid to do it |
21:34.00 | benmeyer | :-D |
21:34.06 | rw2 | benmeyer: oh, never mind then... ;-) |
21:34.07 | benmeyer | meyerb@sharpsec.com |
21:34.10 | benmeyer | haha |
21:34.15 | benmeyer | no I enjoy working on linux |
21:34.24 | benmeyer | http://www.csh.rit.edu/~benjamin/ |
21:34.32 | benmeyer | I have many open source applications |
21:34.37 | benmeyer | I am also the howtos guy |
21:34.43 | benmeyer | ibot howtos |
21:34.44 | | howtos is, like, at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ |
21:35.00 | benmeyer | so I really try to do a lot for the community |
21:35.01 | Cloudchaser | benmeyer: that accuweather thing sounds kinda neat |
21:35.03 | rw2 | benmeyer: Yeah, I'm with you. I get to hack petabyte scale data systems and gridware *and* pay my mortgage |
21:36.05 | rw2 | benmeyer: Answer this then. My understanding is that the "sync" is nothing more than an ftp connection to the xml files and the smarts is PC side, right so far? |
21:36.23 | benmeyer | yup |
21:36.29 | benmeyer | a few dcop calls also |
21:36.34 | benmeyer | to stop the pim |
21:36.42 | kergoth | s/d/q/ |
21:36.46 | benmeyer | port 4343 |
21:36.54 | chouimat | benmeyer: do you use kitchensync? |
21:37.07 | rw2 | dcop calls? |
21:37.15 | benmeyer | nope, I hit reset so often that sync isn't really any point to me |
21:37.21 | benmeyer | qcop, sorry |
21:37.24 | kergoth | benmeyer: i have the same prob |
21:37.44 | chouimat | kergoth: my palm is more uptodate than my z |
21:37.45 | benmeyer | sad thing is I have 5 z's so I should at least be able to save 1 of them hehe |
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21:38.00 | kergoth | hehe |
21:38.03 | kergoth | hey twiun__ |
21:38.19 | numatrix | Yay! Finally installed spamassasin. I don't know what I was waiting for. That was so nice... |
21:38.20 | Cloudchaser | twiun! you home from your vacation? |
21:38.27 | rw2 | benmeyer: is this documented somewhere? |
21:38.30 | kergoth | numatrix: hehe |
21:38.34 | Cloudchaser | numatrix: i need to get that too! |
21:38.44 | benmeyer | rw2: the sync? |
21:38.47 | numatrix | Cloudchaser: it really is nice |
21:38.48 | chouimat | numatrix: work very well |
21:38.53 | rw2 | benmeyer: Yup. |
21:39.07 | chouimat | numatrix: even flag my ex-wife email as spam |
21:39.12 | Cloudchaser | haha |
21:39.18 | benmeyer | sorry, not that I know. Check TrollTech's site for some more info and maybe they have it. |
21:39.27 | Cloudchaser | did anyone try that game sea strike yet? |
21:39.33 | numatrix | No, but it looks cute. |
21:40.01 | rw2 | `benmeyer Hmm. I don't even know what a qcop is... |
21:40.07 | benmeyer | like dcop |
21:40.14 | benmeyer | but with not as many features |
21:40.22 | chouimat | rw2: remote app control |
21:40.31 | numatrix | benmeyer: I've got a link for 'em somewhere... one sec. |
21:41.11 | nostromo | numatrix: spamassassin is *great*. I installed it just two weeks ago (and my life has already changed) :-) |
21:41.47 | rw2 | nostromo: yeah, it's sweet. |
21:41.58 | rw2 | nostromo: http://wellner.org/email-scores.png |
21:42.07 | rw2 | nostromo: it's changed my life as well! |
21:42.23 | nostromo | Just a couple of fake positives (list trash, in fact). |
21:42.30 | Cloudchaser | numatrix: i might get that game after christmas..i'd have liked a little demo though |
21:42.48 | benmeyer | rw2: what is that graph? |
21:43.04 | rw2 | benmeyer: the scores of my email as filtered by spamassassin. |
21:43.23 | rw2 | benmeyer: 5, 7, 10 are commonly used thresholds to label something as a spam. |
21:43.31 | benmeyer | ah |
21:43.45 | kergoth | nostromo: kernel panic dumps always get false tagged |
21:43.54 | kergoth | nostromo: had to tweak my settings abit |
21:44.06 | rw2 | benmeyer: Since April spamassassin has blocked 44300 spams for me. |
21:44.18 | benmeyer | wow |
21:44.18 | numatrix | Cloudchaser: The sub game? Yeah, a demo would be nice. |
21:44.37 | benmeyer | took almost 4 years, but I am starting to get spam in my e-mail |
21:44.54 | benmeyer | Tried really hard to conceal it |
21:44.59 | rw2 | benmeyer: And I'm not only the president of hair club for mean, I'm also a customer. (or something like that, I'm building spamassassin.net to offer filtering services) |
21:45.07 | benmeyer | hehe |
21:45.18 | numatrix | qcop info is here: http://zaurus.loveslinux.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=XForum&file=viewthread&tid=31#pid283 |
21:45.29 | rw2 | numatrix: Cool, thanks. |
21:45.36 | numatrix | rw2: no problem |
21:46.08 | benmeyer | ibot warmi |
21:46.09 | | i heard warmi is here |
21:46.13 | benmeyer | bummer |
21:46.15 | nostromo | I have it running at 5. It blocking around 10 messages a day in my personal account, saving me... |
21:46.18 | rw2 | numatrix: I see the sync calls are *very* complex. ;-) |
21:46.24 | benmeyer | haha |
21:47.10 | benmeyer | http://www.warmi.net/zaurus/blits.shtml |
21:47.16 | benmeyer | hey he did put up his blits |
21:47.18 | numatrix | heh. Nobody ever accused them of good syncing |
21:47.37 | benmeyer | nice! |
21:48.09 | numatrix | benmeyer: definitely; very cool. though you could have pulled them from the qtopiagnuboy source earlier, that is nice |
21:48.38 | benmeyer | nonless I didn't know he had put them up |
21:48.55 | numatrix | yeah, I didn't either; that's cool |
21:49.06 | numatrix | Out for the day, see y'all later. |
21:49.11 | benmeyer | it would be nice to get those into the qvfb or base QWidget class |
21:49.28 | numatrix|away | benmeyer: you really can't since they're assembly... |
21:49.37 | benmeyer | so? |
21:49.56 | kergoth | benmeyer: you feel like writing it in x86 asm? |
21:50.04 | benmeyer | have an ifdef |
21:50.09 | numatrix|away | Well, the libraries are supposed to be archetecture independant, it's not very convienant. You'd have to rewrite it for all the other architectures. |
21:50.10 | benmeyer | if arm |
21:50.12 | kergoth | benmeyer: it uses ARM specific instructions afaicr. multiple register load/storefor example |
21:50.23 | benmeyer | yah |
21:50.31 | benmeyer | so on the arm it would be really fast |
21:50.38 | benmeyer | what would be bad about that? |
21:50.38 | benmeyer | :-D |
21:52.45 | kergoth | hehe |
21:52.55 | ZzzTiger | ´:( igot hte jabber client to work, but it cant regsiter icq stuff, yet... is there any other icq client? what about micq? there only a bla.gz available.. how should i install it? |
21:53.24 | kergoth | ZzzTiger: the ability to connect to icq depnds on the jabber server, not the client .. |
21:53.45 | ZzzTiger | kergoth: u cant input a gateway in this client... |
21:53.51 | ZzzTiger | thats the thing |
21:54.21 | kergoth | ZzzTiger: ahh |
21:54.25 | ZzzTiger | what about this? http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=657 |
21:54.25 | kergoth | ZzzTiger: that sucks. |
21:54.31 | JasonNJ | hmm. I like the new Nestle Crunch bar with Caramel. |
21:54.44 | benmeyer | me goes home |
21:54.44 | benmeyer | night |
21:54.45 | ZzzTiger | unpack/rename and run... i tried all that ... ipk doesnt seem to be valid afterwards |
22:22.32 | Locutus4242 | Jason, Ben; got any thoughts on this Stackless Bluetooth kit Pellico Systems has? |
22:23.01 | Locutus4242 | http://www.pellicosystems.com/zaurus/hardware/bluetoothDevKit.html |
22:23.18 | Neo|Work | Locutus4242: they are both not here.. |
22:23.50 | Locutus4242 | doh, sorry bout that. Thanks |
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22:48.44 | PorkySpine | is the problem with Sandisk 128Mb resolved in Openzaurus 3? |
22:49.29 | PorkySpine | because i dont have a cf card, so i have to install through SD |
22:49.43 | Pendalar | most of the problems with Sandisk chips isn't the OS's fault ;-) |
22:50.09 | PorkySpine | ok :) |
22:50.41 | Pendalar | bad clusters or something or other.. in the forums |
22:50.57 | Pendalar | I bought lexar since they are cheaper and most people have no problems with them |
22:51.24 | PorkySpine | its working in my current kernel |
22:51.42 | PorkySpine | but i had to reinstall the driver |
22:52.34 | Pendalar | not all the cards had the problem, it was certain batches |
22:52.48 | Pendalar | afaik, but like I said I didn't read much about it since I wasn't affected |
22:53.09 | PorkySpine | but if i flashed the rom, and lose my internal memory then i couldn't use my SD to install OpenZAurus |
22:53.34 | kergoth | PorkySpine: eh? |
22:53.46 | kergoth | PorkySpine: theres no supported method to install oz without CF |
22:53.48 | kergoth | PorkySpine: read the faq |
22:54.14 | PorkySpine | supose i wanted to install OpenZaurus 3 |
22:54.19 | kergoth | ? |
22:54.29 | kergoth | yes, and there's no supported way to install it without a cf card |
22:54.31 | kergoth | like i just said |
22:54.40 | PorkySpine | i don't have a CF card, but i have a SD |
22:55.00 | kergoth | are you not listening? |
22:55.05 | PorkySpine | ok! |
22:55.08 | Pendalar | heh |
22:55.18 | kergoth | 17:07 <@kergoth> yes, and there's no supported way to install it without a cf |
22:55.19 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
22:55.26 | kergoth | ^^-is there some part of this you dont understand? |
22:55.35 | Pendalar | it's not a OZ thing, blame sharp ;-) |
22:56.02 | PorkySpine | man! I am in Portugal!! in a modem! my writen english is not very fluid |
22:56.11 | PorkySpine | and dos't forgat the LAG |
22:56.20 | PorkySpine | and don't forget the LAG |
22:57.14 | Neo|Work | bah, being abroad / non-native English speaker is not an excuse. ;-) |
22:58.34 | Pendalar | type slowly and babblefish is your friend |
22:58.46 | Pendalar | I know some japanese if that helps |
22:59.17 | PorkySpine | man! you guys suck! |
22:59.56 | Pendalar | being on sorcerynet if fun sometimes, seems like it's all romanians |
22:59.59 | PorkySpine | i came here for some help! and this is what i get! |
23:00.17 | Pendalar | heh we are helping ;-) know you know that you can't flash via SD |
23:00.47 | kergoth | PorkySpine: http://openzaurus.org/ |
23:01.00 | kergoth | PorkySpine: if you read the faq before asking, it'll help |
23:01.21 | Pendalar | why isn't http://www.openzaurus.com/offical/unstable/feed/ opening up? |
23:01.36 | kergoth | Pendalar: um, because its .org not .com? :P |
23:01.39 | Pendalar | doh |
23:01.46 | Pendalar | damn I got to sleep soon |
23:03.21 | Pendalar | http://www.openzaurus.org/offical/unstable/feed/ doesn't like me either |
23:03.30 | Pendalar | what other typo have I made =-/ |
23:03.50 | kergoth | its official |
23:03.52 | kergoth | not offical |
23:04.27 | troffasky | Pendalar: load mod_speling ;-) |
23:04.44 | Pendalar | I'm on a windows machines atm, sadly |
23:04.50 | Pendalar | part of my defunction |
23:05.16 | Pendalar | /feeds/unstable was easier ;-) |
23:07.07 | kergoth | yea yea, well theres multiple unstable feeds :) |
23:07.17 | kergoth | feeds/ has been a dir full of symlinks into the other dirs for a while now :) |
23:07.21 | troffasky | mod_speling is an apache module that corrects typo |
23:07.26 | kergoth | then i just ditched it |
23:07.28 | troffasky | s in URLs |
23:11.09 | Pendalar | siily you |
23:11.16 | Pendalar | be good to us that never sleep |
23:11.28 | kergoth | silly you |
23:11.30 | kergoth | you should sleep |
23:11.34 | Pendalar | never! |
23:11.55 | Pendalar | not til OZ let me use my wifi |
23:12.06 | Pendalar | then I can sleep happily |
23:16.35 | Pendalar | kergoth it detects my wifi, even apparently finds the channel.. worked through the WEP issue.. |
23:16.44 | kergoth | Pendalar: whats the behavior? |
23:16.48 | Pendalar | but still says net unreachable like I had the gateway or something wrong |
23:16.59 | kergoth | can you ping the AP? |
23:16.59 | Pendalar | I've got a solid light, but can't ping anything, including LAN ips |
23:17.02 | Pendalar | no |
23:17.10 | Pendalar | net unreachable, doesn't even try |
23:17.21 | Pendalar | played with network.opts and wireless.opts /conf |
23:17.48 | kergoth | ifconfig -a? |
23:17.51 | kergoth | do you have an ip? |
23:18.30 | Pendalar | usb one |
23:18.37 | Pendalar | lemme see if there's the other in this dump |
23:18.41 | kergoth | i'm talking about your wlan0 interface |
23:18.45 | kergoth | do ifconfig wlan0 then |
23:18.56 | kergoth | then it'll only show you that interface |
23:19.02 | kergoth | hrm, left my Z at home today |
23:19.09 | kergoth | guess i'll test this kernel when i get home |
23:19.31 | Pendalar | no |
23:19.37 | kergoth | no ip? |
23:19.40 | kergoth | are you using dhcp or static? |
23:19.46 | Pendalar | says it's up and all but no ip |
23:20.01 | Pendalar | well I've tried both, I prefer static but I'm doing dhcp to cut down on problems |
23:20.29 | kergoth | the question isnt what you've tried, its how is it setup right now |
23:20.30 | kergoth | : |
23:20.32 | kergoth | :) |
23:20.47 | Pendalar | I'm sure it's prob something in wireless.opts |
23:21.03 | kergoth | Pendalar: does iwconfig wlan0 output look correct? |
23:21.22 | *** join/#zaurus boulez (~boulez@roc-24-58-67-49.rochester.rr.com) |
23:21.47 | Pendalar | other than it saying encryption key : off |
23:21.56 | Pendalar | I tell it to turn it on but it won't listen =-/ |
23:22.14 | boulez | hmm....anyone want to help a Zaurus noob get TCP/IP over USB working..? |
23:22.19 | kergoth | then your wireless.opts isnt correct |
23:22.22 | kergoth | edit it with a text editor |
23:22.28 | kergoth | ibot: tell boulez about howtos |
23:22.34 | *** join/#zaurus rabbit_uk (~chatzilla@host213-121-71-83.surfport24.v21.co.uk) |
23:23.00 | Pendalar | I tell it to turn on, and it says GET failed on device wlan0 ; no such device |
23:23.22 | Pendalar | when I play with udhcpc, it says it doesn't know what wlan0 is either |
23:23.24 | kergoth | 'tell it to turn on' how? |
23:23.24 | boulez | I've seen that page...it covers tons of linux usb connections and Windows serial, but I don't see Windows usb on there... |
23:23.34 | kergoth | boulez: theres nothing to windows usb. |
23:23.42 | kergoth | boulez: you plug it in and install the driver and you're done.. |
23:23.55 | Pendalar | no you have to enable ICS |
23:23.58 | Pendalar | ;-) |
23:24.10 | kergoth | only if you need your Z to get internet access :) |
23:24.19 | boulez | Well, the tricky part, maybe, is that I'm connecting to a box that's already connected to another box via ICS |
23:24.28 | boulez | Right, that's what I'm trying to do |
23:24.36 | boulez | Sync works fine |
23:24.41 | kergoth | boulez: -this- box is using ICS, or its going through antoher box which has ICS enabled? |
23:25.19 | boulez | THe flowchart is: Zaurus connected to laptop. Laptop connected to desktop. Desktop connected to cable modem. |
23:25.34 | kergoth | boulez: okay, nothing wrong with that |
23:26.36 | *** join/#zaurus ibz (~Ibz@host217-39-2-191.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
23:26.52 | Pendalar | argh make it work |
23:26.54 | Pendalar | silly thing |
23:27.26 | Pendalar | kergoth why would turning on the key, or messing with udhcpc say 'wlan0 : no such device' |
23:27.36 | Pendalar | opie finds it fine |
23:27.38 | boulez | I've read some pages that say I need to use a proxy...trying that now and it still doesn't seem to work. |
23:27.41 | kergoth | Pendalar: ifconfig -a shows the device? |
23:27.49 | kergoth | boulez: you dont. just turn on ICS |
23:27.57 | kergoth | boulez: unless of course you're on 95/98 |
23:28.00 | boulez | on the laptop? |
23:28.04 | boulez | no, win2k |
23:28.12 | Pendalar | yes it does |
23:28.17 | kergoth | boulez: then enable ICS |
23:28.22 | kergoth | Pendalar: odd |
23:28.27 | Pendalar | I've never had parts of the OS find it, and others not |
23:28.28 | kergoth | Pendalar: anything useful in 'dmesg'? |
23:28.37 | Pendalar | maybe I need a real aliases file |
23:28.37 | kergoth | Pendalar: its not about finding it |
23:28.42 | kergoth | Pendalar: the device is there, but unusable |
23:28.46 | kergoth | Pendalar: aliases matters not |
23:29.10 | Pendalar | h, |
23:29.18 | kergoth | j. |
23:29.21 | Pendalar | hm rather this is interesting |
23:29.28 | Pendalar | take me a min to copy |
23:30.58 | Pendalar | wlan0: INFO - fid=0x02cf - len=2 type=0xf200 LinkStatus=6 (Association failed) |
23:31.09 | Pendalar | that would prob have something to do with it |
23:31.33 | kergoth | yep. failed to associate w/ the AP |
23:31.42 | kergoth | but iwconfig should still function.. |
23:32.09 | Pendalar | k that may have something to do with the encryption thing or not? |
23:32.15 | Pendalar | sounds more hardware'y |
23:33.40 | kergoth | Pendalar: just edit /etc/pcmcia/wireless.opts and confirm its correct first |
23:35.08 | *** join/#zaurus oob (~oob@81-5-138-97.dsl.eclipse.net.uk) |
23:35.48 | Pendalar | hm |
23:35.53 | Pendalar | all I see is the key part |
23:36.09 | Pendalar | opie added ~restricted after my key |
23:36.21 | Pendalar | I editted that out before |
23:36.27 | Pendalar | it seems to like putting it back |
23:38.36 | *** part/#zaurus prpplague (~JoeBob1@12.148.134.9) |
23:38.53 | Pendalar | if I change it from shared to open etc it addeds either ~restricted or ~open to it |
23:39.20 | Pendalar | I don't remember that from before but after I got it going I didn't mess with it much |
23:41.21 | Pendalar | oh hell.. just saved wireless.opts over wireless.conf |
23:41.34 | Pendalar | now how am I going to get my wireless.conf back |
23:41.48 | *** join/#zaurus boulez (~boulez@roc-24-58-67-49.rochester.rr.com) |
23:41.51 | boulez | oops |
23:42.02 | boulez | got kicked off the net when I tried to change ics settings |
23:42.11 | boulez | I'm evidently missing something fundamental... |
23:46.18 | Cloudchaser | reading is fundamental |
23:46.29 | boulez | I can ping the Zaurus from Windows, I can sync...i just can't get it on the net |
23:50.14 | *** join/#zaurus kolla (kolla@eto.home.uninett.no) |
23:52.13 | Cloudchaser | boulez: are you on cable or dialup and what version of windows? |
23:55.43 | boulez | cable |
23:55.45 | boulez | win2k pro |
23:56.34 | boulez | on both the desktop (directly connected) and the laptop (connected to the desktop and on the net through ICS) |
23:56.48 | boulez | I'm attempting to get the Zaurus on the net via the laptop |