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`00:55.43`	`*** topic/#zaurus is Sharp 5000d/5500/5600/A300/C700/etc Discussion - http://developer.sharpsec.com/ \|\| http://MyZaurus.com/ \|\| OpenZaurus 3.1rc1 now available for testing - #openzaurus \|\| SL-5600 announced \|\| NEW: www.zaurus.com open for business, with SourceForge features!`
`00:56.08`	`Com[Plex]`	`kergoth`
`00:57.01`	`Com[Plex]`	`I called ups for the 6th time. - they gave me the run around, but told me to call sharp and ask them if they received it`
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`00:57.35`	`Com[Plex]`	`I called sharp, they DID receive it, and are replacing the motherboard in it.`
`00:57.48`	`Com[Plex]`	`btu the part is backordered. :<`
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`01:10.45`	`Com[Plex]`	`Im surprised that they couldnt just reprogram it... but maybe thats just policy ?`
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`02:33.34`	`Com[Plex]`	`kergoth`
`02:33.40`	`Com[Plex]`	`you there?`
`02:33.54`	`Com[Plex]`	`I called ups for the 6th time. - they gave me the run around, but told me to call sharp and ask them if they received it`
`02:34.15`	`Com[Plex]`	`I called sharp, they DID receive it, and are replacing the motherboard in it. Im surprised that they couldnt just reprogram it... but maybe thats just policy ?`
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`02:34.50`	`Com[Plex]`	`although.. they didnt say "motherboard" - they said "board"- unspecific..`
`02:36.01`	`kergoth`	`Com[Plex]: heh, damn`
`02:37.45`	`Pendalar`	`can't get this damn thing to like my wifi card ;-)`
`02:37.58`	`Pendalar`	`I added the key with iwconfig but it laughs at me`
`02:38.46`	`Pendalar`	`laughs loudly I might add`
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`02:45.49`	`warmi`	`hi`
`02:47.41`	`mark`	`hi knights`
`02:47.49`	`mark`	`knights?`
`02:47.50`	`mark`	`warmi :P`
`02:47.55`	`mark`	`my brain is too preoccupied :)`
`02:49.43`	`warmi`	`mark: yeah .. making a lot of dough with this game`
`02:49.43`	`warmi`	`hehe`
`02:49.52`	`warmi`	`no wonder you are "preocupied"`
`02:50.07`	`mark`	`i just had a sale with a c-700 listed as the device, didn't realise they were for sale yet`
`02:50.55`	`treke\|home`	`might have been bigboss :)`
`02:50.55`	`warmi`	`I don't think they are out`
`02:51.02`	`mark`	`no, its japanese`
`02:51.02`	`warmi`	`at least that's what Jason said`
`02:51.14`	`warmi`	`there were only like 2 devices in the whole world according to him`
`02:52.50`	`mark`	`yeah. thats what i thought. and its not an @sharp.jp address`
`02:54.02`	`warmi`	`if you think of it ... you could get like 3 c700 for that money you made with Knights ..`
`02:54.23`	`warmi`	`and I remember you were wondering if it was worth it to charge for it ..`
`02:55.12`	`Neo\|Work`	`they are for sale`
`02:55.15`	`Neo\|Work`	`and mind you, sold out`
`02:55.21`	`warmi`	`where ?`
`02:55.28`	`Neo\|Work`	`In Japan of course. :P`
`02:55.43`	`warmi`	`I just read Jason comments about only 2 existing C700 like couple of weeks ago`
`02:55.49`	`Neo\|Work`	`went on sale last Friday`
`02:55.53`	`warmi`	`really ?`
`02:55.57`	`mark`	`warmi: yeah, i remember that :)`
`02:55.57`	`Neo\|Work`	`yes`
`02:55.58`	`DaWorm`	`yeah`
`02:56.02`	`DaWorm`	`they just went out`
`02:56.04`	`Neo\|Work`	`ditto with the SL-5600 equivalent`
`02:56.05`	`warmi`	`that quite fast - going from 2 prototypes to production`
`02:56.14`	`kergoth`	`b500, yeah i've got a user who wants OZ on it`
`02:56.17`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`02:56.21`	`kergoth`	`as if we even have kernel sources yet`
`02:56.27`	`DaWorm`	`hehe`
`02:56.34`	`DaWorm`	`let him donate stuff`
`02:56.53`	`Neo\|Work`	`ah, they just added the C700 and B500 to Handango`
`02:57.02`	`Neo\|Work`	`weren't there a few days ago when I added Motocross Stunt Racer`
`02:57.24`	`DaWorm`	`Neo\|Work: of course, you'll target those platforms as well when you get yours?`
`02:57.32`	`warmi`	`NeoTron: btw Motocross graphics looks really amazing`
`02:57.37`	`warmi`	`it is 2d , right ?`
`02:57.42`	`Neo\|Work`	`warmi: voxels..`
`02:57.47`	`DaWorm`	`volume pixel stuff`
`02:57.49`	`Neo\|Work`	`it's a rendered landscape yes`
`02:57.49`	`DaWorm`	`hehe`
`02:57.57`	`Neo\|Work`	`meaning not 3D landscape`
`02:58.14`	`DaWorm`	`it has a good perspective though`
`02:58.18`	`DaWorm`	`great illussion`
`02:58.20`	`Neo\|Work`	`yeah, quite`
`02:58.23`	`warmi`	`well, voxels are 3d 0 in the sense that you have height map + x + y position`
`02:58.28`	`warmi`	`so it is 3d of sorts`
`02:58.29`	`kergoth`	`MSR, i shoudl buy that`
`02:58.59`	`Neo\|Work`	`MSR is nice because the difficulty is imho quite good`
`02:59.03`	`DaWorm`	`i cant wait for Hyperspace too`
`02:59.07`	`DaWorm`	`yah`
`02:59.08`	`Neo\|Work`	`starts out relatively easy getting challenging in the end`
`02:59.14`	`DaWorm`	`i can't even go 1st place on the demo`
`02:59.27`	`kergoth`	`i never did buy IF or a couple others i wanted`
`02:59.29`	`Neo\|Work`	`DaWorm: ouch. :P But, you don't need first place to continue`
`02:59.32`	`warmi`	`these voxels look great .. normally you get effect of pixelation like old Commanche game for PC`
`02:59.35`	`warmi`	`but these look great`
`02:59.43`	`Neo\|Work`	`DaWorm: in either case, it's quite easy if you take the shortcut`
`02:59.52`	`DaWorm`	`yah`
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`03:00.05`	`kergoth`	`eek`
`03:00.24`	`Pendalar`	`that was funny.. enabled the zaurus in network, and it tried to route all inet functions through the Z`
`03:00.34`	`warmi`	`kergoth: well, considering how busy you are with OZ - I am surprised you have time for anything else at all`
`03:00.34`	`Pendalar`	`better start pimpin`
`03:00.38`	`Neo\|Work`	`kergoth: isn't house payments fun?`
`03:00.48`	`kergoth`	`Neo\|Work: ohhhh yeah`
`03:00.48`	`Neo\|Work`	`they ARE fun when it is time to pay taxes though`
`03:00.58`	`Neo\|Work`	`because you can save a heck of a whole lof`
`03:00.59`	`kergoth`	`i havent had my first year's tax time since buying the house yet`
`03:01.05`	`DaWorm`	`Neo\|Work: i just wonder though, my wife is a zaurus user too...can i install a single app in 2 devices?`
`03:01.06`	`Neo\|Work`	`anyhow, going home`
`03:01.25`	`Neo\|Work`	`you CAN. it's up to you to decide if you feel it to be morally correct`
`03:01.37`	`kergoth`	`warmi: trying to have a real life, work full time, manage OZ, and learn kernel dev, is tough`
`03:01.38`	`DaWorm`	`right gotcha..just making sure`
`03:01.43`	`mark`	`hmm, is networking two zaurii via IR possible?`
`03:01.50`	`Neo\|Work`	`it really ISN't but I obviously can't stop you (if I could I would - i.e if there was a unique user id or something)`
`03:01.55`	`warmi`	`kergoth: not to mention being in Minnesota ..`
`03:01.57`	`warmi`	`j/k`
`03:01.58`	`warmi`	`:-)`
`03:01.59`	`kergoth`	`warmi: hehe`
`03:02.12`	`kergoth`	`warmi: i'll never get out of tech support here. market is even more dead than it is elsewhere`
`03:02.33`	`warmi`	`you will , everything takes time`
`03:03.08`	`warmi`	`you can't expect to do cool shit as a 20 year old .... you got to do your share of shitty jobs .. :-)`
`03:03.21`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`03:03.28`	`DaWorm`	`yeah`
`03:03.30`	`DaWorm`	`hehe`
`03:03.35`	`kergoth`	`well i've done -retail- sales, cashiering, warehouse, and tech support so far`
`03:03.45`	`DaWorm`	`my 1st job after college wasn't even computer related`
`03:03.46`	`kergoth`	`is that enough shit jobs or do i need more? :P`
`03:03.48`	`DaWorm`	`i did legal research`
`03:03.50`	`DaWorm`	`hehe`
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`03:04.22`	`warmi`	`kergoth: well, you are getting closer to cooler stuff ..`
`03:04.31`	`kergoth`	`yeah, definately an improvement`
`03:04.40`	`warmi`	`I mean, just a couple of years ago you didn't even know what kernel was ..`
`03:04.47`	`warmi`	`heh`
`03:04.55`	`DaWorm`	`heh`
`03:04.57`	`kergoth`	`well, i was building them in 94/95 in HS`
`03:05.01`	`kergoth`	`so i knew what they were`
`03:05.02`	`kergoth`	`;)`
`03:05.06`	`warmi`	`HS ?`
`03:05.09`	`kergoth`	`course i didnt learn C until 2 years ago`
`03:05.10`	`kergoth`	`high school`
`03:05.10`	`DaWorm`	`wow`
`03:05.15`	`warmi`	`ah , right`
`03:05.17`	`DaWorm`	`in HS i was reading playboy`
`03:05.17`	`kergoth`	`14/15 at the time`
`03:05.22`	`kergoth`	`DaWorm: well that too`
`03:05.23`	`mark`	`kergoth: writing in what?`
`03:05.23`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`03:05.29`	`warmi`	`so what kind o language were you using ?`
`03:05.54`	`mark`	`;)`
`03:05.56`	`kergoth`	`at 8 i was coding in basic, wanted to learn c desperately but never did`
`03:05.59`	`warmi`	`DaWorm: reading? .. well, that's pushing it`
`03:06.05`	`kergoth`	`didnt code for about 6 years`
`03:06.10`	`DaWorm`	`ok i was reading the articles`
`03:06.11`	`kergoth`	`learned visual basic. eww.`
`03:06.12`	`DaWorm`	`hehe`
`03:06.20`	`kergoth`	`didnt code for another year, learned x86 assembly, had fun with that`
`03:06.26`	`kergoth`	`then didnt code again for about 4 years`
`03:06.29`	`kergoth`	`that brings us up to date`
`03:06.29`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`03:06.43`	`warmi`	`kergoth: yeah, the natural way is to start with asm and then progress to C and then to all that OO stuff`
`03:06.45`	`DaWorm`	`i almost went to law school after college`
`03:06.54`	`warmi`	`that way you know exactly dos and don'ts ...`
`03:07.00`	`kergoth`	`warmi: yep`
`03:07.02`	`warmi`	`stuff that objects just don't come out of nowhere etc ..`
`03:07.04`	`kergoth`	`warmi: basic fucked me up`
`03:07.18`	`kergoth`	`warmi: but learning asm, then c, then c++ has straightened me back out`
`03:07.19`	`kergoth`	`:)`
`03:07.24`	`mark`	`i've learnt in the worst possible way. basic straight to Qt stuff`
`03:07.26`	`warmi`	`a lot of coders , especially Java dudes, don't really understand what lies beneath`
`03:07.41`	`kergoth`	`i cant stand doing something without knowing whats going on underneith`
`03:07.43`	`kergoth`	`it just bothers me`
`03:07.47`	`warmi`	`hmm ... looks like everyone still starts with basic`
`03:08.07`	`warmi`	`just like it was 15 years ago when I started`
`03:08.27`	`warmi`	`except these days basic is kick ass OO with all kinds of nonsense on top of it`
`03:08.34`	`kergoth`	`i remember writing a app to calculate PI at 11, that was fun`
`03:08.42`	`kergoth`	`had to study a lot to understand what i needed to do`
`03:08.58`	`DaWorm`	`more than you needed to at the age i assume`
`03:09.01`	`DaWorm`	`:)`
`03:09.05`	`kergoth`	`of course`
`03:09.08`	`kergoth`	`it wouldve been boring otherwise`
`03:09.40`	`warmi`	`at 11 I was running from tree to tree fighting either Imperial Troopers or some other menace ..`
`03:09.47`	`DaWorm`	`ahhh when i was at that age, all i cared about was nintendo and bmx`
`03:09.57`	`warmi`	`DaWorm: same here`
`03:10.03`	`DaWorm`	`and transformers`
`03:10.05`	`DaWorm`	`hehe`
`03:10.20`	`DaWorm`	`and he-man`
`03:10.40`	`kergoth`	`well i did all that too`
`03:10.52`	`kergoth`	`just on the weekends, i'd go to my dads house. he had a computer :)`
`03:11.00`	`Pendalar`	`what is the default usb connection ip in qtopia?`
`03:11.23`	`warmi`	`mark: so , are you going to buy c700 ?`
`03:11.25`	`Pendalar`	`I seem to have messed with it and 'revert' doesn't revert`
`03:12.09`	`mark`	`warmi: tempted. but by the time i pay shipping/import tax its very expensive`
`03:12.30`	`kergoth`	`mark: wait for the english port`
`03:12.36`	`kergoth`	`mark: from dynamism`
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`03:12.47`	`kergoth`	`mark: pricy, but will be nice`
`03:12.50`	`warmi`	`it is going to be even more expensive`
`03:13.08`	`kergoth`	`yep.`
`03:13.09`	`mark`	`kergoth: or i could take up a challenge and try and get OZ running on it :)`
`03:13.18`	`warmi`	`and , if Sharp ever decides to release official US/European version of C700 there gonna be issues with compatibility etc ..`
`03:13.19`	`kergoth`	`mark: get me the kernel sources and we're done.`
`03:13.24`	`kergoth`	`mark: :)`
`03:13.41`	`mark`	`kergoth: not released yet?`
`03:13.59`	`kergoth`	`mark: itll be months no doubt`
`03:14.03`	`kergoth`	`mark: same way the 5000d was`
`03:14.08`	`DaWorm`	`developer site doesnt have it yet eh`
`03:14.09`	`mark`	`warmi: software hardcoded to 240x320?`
`03:14.18`	`warmi`	`neo said something about C700 being available on amazon ?`
`03:14.43`	`warmi`	`uh .. handango ..`
`03:14.45`	`warmi`	`never mind`
`03:14.59`	`mark`	`kergoth: hmm, just need to get someone to ask for it.. does the GPL allow them to take months? :)`
`03:14.59`	`warmi`	`as a category for developers`
`03:15.16`	`mark`	`chouimat: wine?`
`03:15.24`	`warmi`	`mark: not so much hardcoded screen size but there will be many other issues..`
`03:15.31`	`chouimat`	`mark: not winshit on another box`
`03:15.33`	`warmi`	`does anyone which Qte/Qtopia version C700 will run ?`
`03:15.44`	`mark`	`iirc harlekin thought it was 1.5 again`
`03:16.09`	`warmi`	`meaning good old qt 2.3.2 hehe`
`03:16.20`	`warmi`	`without all that "cool" qt 3.x stuff`
`03:17.02`	`mark`	`sharp shoulda moved to qt3 and gcc3.2 for the 5600 while the user base is still small.`
`03:17.39`	`warmi`	`well, perhaps ..`
`03:18.02`	`warmi`	`on the other hand they do have 500+ apps available for 5500 devices`
`03:18.04`	`mark`	`i just see the move getting harder and harder rather than easier and easier`
`03:18.15`	`kergoth`	`warmi: 90% of which only need slight changes to build with gcc3.2 and qt3`
`03:18.23`	`warmi`	`kergoth: yeah but someone has to do it`
`03:18.42`	`mark`	`someone would have to do it for commercial software if they wanted to continue selling. so they would`
`03:18.45`	`kergoth`	`warmi: the open source ones are easy. shit i'll do it and add half of them into the oz feeds directly`
`03:18.49`	`kergoth`	`mark: right`
`03:19.06`	`warmi`	`kergoth: well, I am not saying that it would be difficult but it would take some time`
`03:19.17`	`warmi`	`but perhaps mark is right .. better now than later`
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`03:19.58`	`warmi`	`mark: get yourself A300 or b500 or whatever the latest Zaurus is`
`03:20.26`	`warmi`	`mark: what percentage of your sales comes from Japanese users ?`
`03:20.28`	`warmi`	`is it a lot ?`
`03:20.32`	`mark`	`no`
`03:20.33`	`mark`	`tiny`
`03:20.52`	`warmi`	`well, chess is not exactly a national pastime in Japan`
`03:20.52`	`mark`	`<2%`
`03:21.00`	`mark`	`warmi: i'm working on that ;)`
`03:21.00`	`warmi`	`frankly, if you were to port go ..`
`03:21.08`	`warmi`	`you would make some serious money over there`
`03:21.18`	`warmi`	`gnu-go ?`
`03:21.28`	`TheMasterMind1`	`lol`
`03:21.33`	`mark`	`doesnt go ship with qtopia/`
`03:21.34`	`TheMasterMind1`	`opie-go exists no?`
`03:21.36`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i have it on my Z`
`03:21.41`	`mark`	`TheMasterMind1: yeah that what i was thinking`
`03:21.42`	`DaWorm`	`gomoku-moro is nice`
`03:21.50`	`TheMasterMind1`	`dunno about default rom`
`03:21.53`	`warmi`	`mark: I don't think it is any good`
`03:22.16`	`mark`	`http://home.no.net/morosoft/`
`03:22.30`	`warmi`	`I mean, how much time can your average Trolls developer spend developing go game for Qtopia`
`03:22.30`	`warmi`	`hehe`
`03:23.09`	`warmi`	`is gomoku the same as go ?`
`03:23.20`	`mark`	`variant maybe`
`03:23.36`	`DaWorm`	`its almost the same`
`03:23.41`	`warmi`	`The game is currently available for the Qtopia application environment for handheld computers on Linux, X11 on Linux and for MS Windows desktop systems.`
`03:23.41`	`DaWorm`	`except the chinese game has a smaller board`
`03:23.43`	`numatrix`	`warmi: board size is the difference`
`03:23.55`	`warmi`	`that's interesting .... windows version running under Qtopia enviroment ?`
`03:24.00`	`mark`	`how good are computers at go?`
`03:24.11`	`warmi`	`ah "and" for Windows desktop system`
`03:24.13`	`DaWorm`	`Go is 19x19`
`03:24.17`	`numatrix`	`mark: better than me. :-)`
`03:24.20`	`warmi`	`never mind ..`
`03:24.21`	`DaWorm`	`gomoku is 15x15`
`03:24.28`	`numatrix`	`mark: But that doesn't mean much.`
`03:25.01`	`mark`	`warmi: trying to work out a deal to port a golf game over with some firm in korea is being an absolute nightmare`
`03:25.01`	`numatrix`	`Hmm; didn't the original sharp rom come with go? Or did someone already mention that here.`
`03:25.13`	`numatrix`	`mark: pocketpc game?`
`03:25.22`	`mark`	`numatrix: yeah. iGolf`
`03:25.22`	`warmi`	`golf game ?`
`03:25.32`	`warmi`	`yeah, you said something about PocketPC port`
`03:25.53`	`mark`	`their english is awful which makes it near impossible`
`03:26.05`	`badl`	`ppc is arse ;)`
`03:26.09`	`numatrix`	`mark: Impossible to coordinate, or impossible to port?`
`03:26.19`	`mark`	`coordinate`
`03:26.58`	`warmi`	`http://www.handango.com/PlatformProductDetail.jsp?siteId=1&jid=BEB1FB9DAE455F22287952719B64D8D9&productId=32232&optionId=1_2_2&productType=2&catalog=30&txtSearch=igolf&sectionId=0&platformId=2`
`03:27.00`	`warmi`	`is that it ?`
`03:27.03`	`numatrix`	`http://www.pocketmatrix.com/reviews/iGolf/`
`03:27.07`	`numatrix`	`Little prettier link.`
`03:27.17`	`numatrix`	`It looks amazing.`
`03:27.19`	`warmi`	`well, yeah .. blame handango for that :-)`
`03:27.39`	`mark`	`numatrix: thats iGolf2, iGolf doesnt look quite as neat`
`03:27.42`	`numatrix`	`warmi: Believe me, I know. Sanitizing handango links on ZSI is on my todo list. ;-)`
`03:27.54`	`numatrix`	`mark: Really? Bummer. Why are you only going after the first one instead of the sequel?`
`03:28.06`	`mark`	`they want me to pay an upfront fee which includes a certain number of sales which i dont have to pay them commission and then split revenue after that`
`03:28.16`	`warmi`	`mark: that's risky ..`
`03:28.26`	`warmi`	`especially with Zaurus market/future being as it is now`
`03:28.26`	`mark`	`warmi: i know. i'm not gonna do it.`
`03:28.43`	`mark`	`numatrix: they have additional courses for iGolf and not for iGolf2 basically.`
`03:29.09`	`DaWorm`	`hey that game looks great`
`03:29.25`	`mark`	`and iGolf2 was too expensive for the market i think`
`03:29.36`	`badl`	`mark: are you wanting to port iGolf?`
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`03:31.43`	`mark`	`badl: yes. but communicating with barely english speakign koreans is far from easy`
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`03:31.58`	`badl`	`mark: would you do the port in Perl?`
`03:32.19`	`mark`	`badl: i hope thats a sick joke :P`
`03:32.41`	`badl`	`mark: along the lines of yours ;) (re: kern dev)`
`03:33.08`	`mark`	`badl: hehe`
`03:33.22`	`mark`	`damn its nearly 4am`
`03:33.59`	`badl`	`good stuff`
`03:37.51`	`numatrix`	`Holy cow: http://reviews.pocketnow.com/content.cgi?db=reviews&id=178 There really are some amazing pocketpc games.`
`03:38.10`	`DaWorm`	`yeah, have you seen age of empires`
`03:39.16`	`badl`	`yeah AGES is looking hot!`
`03:40.47`	`warmi`	`well, it looks hot but I am not sure playing AOE on 200x320 screen is so hot`
`03:40.56`	`numatrix`	`That's cool; it doesn't look too advanced beyond, say, strategic assault based on this screenshot: http://www.ppczone.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=287`
`03:41.04`	`warmi`	`and I am huge AOK fan .. frankly, I personally think that AOK is the best game ever`
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`03:47.54`	`warmi`	`mark: ask Neo about average sale figures for commercial quality games on Zaurus and see if porting deal makes any sense`
`03:49.58`	`mark`	`warmi: they're low - but apparently golf is very popular in japan.. so thats really what i'm aiming for`
`03:50.30`	`kergoth`	`someone needs to do a pinball game`
`03:50.49`	`mark`	`kergoth: if this golf goes ahead a pinball will follow`
`03:50.56`	`warmi`	`kergoth: yeah ... I thought about creating that for the Trolls contest but it was too much work`
`03:51.05`	`kergoth`	`mark: yay`
`03:51.05`	`numatrix`	`kergoth: Or even better, this pinball (sorta) game: http://www.pocketmatrix.com/reviews/rebound/`
`03:51.09`	`warmi`	`you need all the hand drawn backgrounds etc ..`
`03:51.27`	`kergoth`	`bah, i need regular pinball damnit`
`03:51.29`	`kergoth`	`:)`
`03:51.56`	`warmi`	`the physics engine would be relatively easy to do ..`
`03:52.02`	`warmi`	`the problem is the graphics etc .`
`03:52.16`	`kergoth`	`yep`
`03:52.18`	`warmi`	`mark: which pinball game would you be porting ?`
`03:52.20`	`kergoth`	`good sound..`
`03:52.24`	`numatrix`	`kergoth: Too bad linball never got too far: http://www.libsdl.org/pipermail/sdl/2001-December/040926.html That would have been nice.`
`03:53.03`	`warmi`	`numatrix: they wanna do this using Mesa and 3d`
`03:53.12`	`numatrix`	`warmi: Yeah, I just noticed that.`
`03:54.50`	`numatrix`	`hmm, or http://pinball.sourceforge.net/ That is opengl as well. Dang it, why can't someone do a straight up 2d pinball in sdl?`
`03:54.59`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`03:55.17`	`mark`	`warmi: one of these http://www.cecraft.com/product/pinball/default.asp`
`03:55.44`	`Pendalar`	`what's the best way to get unstable feed packages w/o using qtopia or the package manager`
`03:55.47`	`Pendalar`	`(ie via http)`
`03:55.56`	`Pendalar`	`I put in the url and it doesn't like me`
`03:56.00`	`mark`	`warmi: although they all look a bit odd to me`
`03:56.12`	`warmi`	`oh these look delicious .`
`03:56.16`	`warmi`	`hehe`
`03:56.40`	`mark`	`warmi: hehe. to me pinball is that strange machine in the corner ;)`
`03:58.22`	`warmi`	`well, I was never crazy about pinballs but I always liked that wicked, strange graphic themes they used on their tables/games`
`03:58.35`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`03:58.42`	`kergoth`	`I loved Epic Pinball in dos`
`03:58.45`	`kergoth`	`from epic megagames`
`03:58.53`	`Cloudchaser`	`that fade game looks kinda neat`
`03:59.02`	`numatrix`	`epic was awesome`
`03:59.04`	`numatrix`	`I loved that game.`
`03:59.14`	`treke\|home`	`epic pinball rocked`
`03:59.19`	`WormLunch`	`playman magazine`
`03:59.20`	`WormLunch`	`hehe`
`03:59.32`	`Cloudchaser`	`those pinball screenshots look nice too`
`03:59.33`	`numatrix`	`WormLunch: yeah, kinda funny, huh? (from the fade review)`
`03:59.40`	`treke\|home`	`although I hear it was written in pure asm`
`03:59.49`	`WormLunch`	`yeah..and they did the thing in Blender`
`03:59.51`	`WormLunch`	`wow`
`04:00.06`	`mark`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:00.35`	`numatrix`	`treke\|home: Fade was written in pure asm? Wow. I take it that it has a --crap, what was that game now; the really famous one with all the pre-rendered scenes in it. I'm retarded.`
`04:00.37`	`warmi`	`well. reply in Russian then ... perhaps that will be strong enough hint for them`
`04:00.39`	`WormLunch`	`maybe Piete can help you out, he's in Korea`
`04:00.45`	`treke\|home`	`numatrix: no epic pinball :)`
`04:00.54`	`mark`	`warmi: hehe, :)`
`04:01.04`	`kergoth`	`treke\|home: bah, that sucks. epic pinball on my Z would -rock-`
`04:01.07`	`kergoth`	`treke\|home: hehe`
`04:01.12`	`mark`	`WormLunch: is he? i didnt no that, thanks`
`04:01.15`	`kergoth`	`treke\|home: whatever happened to epic?`
`04:01.20`	`numatrix`	`treke\|home: hehe. Ahh. Bummer--not that I expected a port anyway...`
`04:01.27`	`treke\|home`	`kergoth: they got rich and famous :)`
`04:01.30`	`WormLunch`	`mark: he works in Korea, he's no Korean though`
`04:01.30`	`mark`	`right, its now 04:10. night all`
`04:01.46`	`numatrix`	`Nite, mark`
`04:02.09`	`Cloudchaser`	`'night`
`04:02.11`	`numatrix`	`kergoth: You might be able to get maxmame to do pinball.`
`04:02.24`	`Cloudchaser`	`but there sure are some nice looking games for pocket pc`
`04:02.27`	`kergoth`	`numatrix: hmm`
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`04:02.58`	`Cloudchaser`	`why is that.. is it easier to program for pocket pc?`
`04:03.12`	`treke\|home`	`its easier to sell for pocketpc`
`04:03.32`	`warmi`	`Cloudchaser: no it is not easier`
`04:03.35`	`Cloudchaser`	`oh..but open source people don't care about making money do they?`
`04:03.47`	`warmi`	`just bigger market - more programmers working on games for PocketPC`
`04:03.51`	`badl`	`Cloudchaser: i do ;)`
`04:03.51`	`warmi`	`some of them working full time`
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`04:04.27`	`treke\|home`	`never really seen much in the way of open source games`
`04:04.41`	`Cloudchaser`	`i was being sarcastic`
`04:04.51`	`Cloudchaser`	`:)`
`04:04.55`	`Cloudchaser`	`sorry`
`04:05.00`	`*** join/#zaurus angry (~angry@ool-4356628d.dyn.optonline.net)`
`04:06.01`	`Cloudchaser`	`still..i'd like to see some of those nice games on the zaurus`
`04:06.31`	`warmi`	`Neo works as fast as he can :-)`
`04:07.05`	`treke\|home`	`he needs to spend more time porting and less time with his family`
`04:07.18`	`badl`	`hahah`
`04:07.28`	`Cloudchaser`	`i know he does :) he makes nice games.. most are a bit hard for me`
`04:07.28`	`warmi`	`hehe`
`04:07.31`	`Cloudchaser`	`but i like IF`
`04:07.39`	`kergoth`	`i still havent bought IF`
`04:07.46`	`kergoth`	`own bust 'em and candy cruncher tho`
`04:08.08`	`warmi`	`Cloudchaser: well he doesn't make them .. he ports them which means, it was original developers who made them so hard to play`
`04:08.09`	`Cloudchaser`	`i'm buying IF right now`
`04:08.17`	`warmi`	`and frankly, I agree - they are too hard`
`04:08.19`	`warmi`	`at least for me`
`04:08.24`	`Cloudchaser`	`warmi: i unerstand`
`04:08.28`	`Cloudchaser`	`understand`
`04:08.43`	`warmi`	`well, Eligo was easy enough :-)`
`04:08.44`	`Cloudchaser`	`but IF i at least can play a bit before dying`
`04:08.49`	`warmi`	`heehhe`
`04:09.24`	`warmi`	`I guess these games were designed for ultrafast 15 year olds`
`04:11.10`	`treke\|home`	`,u cp,[;aomt with most of the games is that they take too much time`
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`04:11.20`	`treke\|home`	`whoops`
`04:11.24`	`treke\|home`	`my problem with...`
`04:11.31`	`Cloudchaser`	`hehe`
`04:11.34`	`kergoth`	`i love sfcave`
`04:11.44`	`*** join/#zaurus angry (~angry@ool-4356628d.dyn.optonline.net)`
`04:11.45`	`kergoth`	`and i didnt even pay anything for it. i wonder if andy has a paypal setup`
`04:11.46`	`Cloudchaser`	`i thought i was the only one who thought they were too hard`
`04:11.50`	`treke\|home`	`sfcave is nice. a bit sluggish for me though`
`04:11.55`	`warmi`	`sf cave ?`
`04:11.56`	`kergoth`	`treke\|home: we need stuff to shoot`
`04:11.58`	`Cloudchaser`	`kergoth: : i tried to download it but the link was bad`
`04:12.01`	`warmi`	`ah .. that vector based games`
`04:12.07`	`warmi`	`game`
`04:12.15`	`treke\|home`	`kergoth: sluggish as in runs slow`
`04:12.29`	`kergoth`	`treke\|home: really?`
`04:12.40`	`treke\|home`	`kergoth: yeah. not all the time, but sometimes`
`04:12.44`	`kergoth`	`weird`
`04:13.29`	`badl`	`the sfcave we have for the Z is poor`
`04:13.33`	`kergoth`	`?`
`04:13.47`	`badl`	`game play is crap`
`04:13.55`	`kergoth`	`badl: then tell him how he can improve it`
`04:14.00`	`kergoth`	`badl: he's on irc every day`
`04:14.02`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`04:14.05`	`badl`	`easy: www.sfcave.com`
`04:14.11`	`badl`	`and thats real game play!`
`04:14.23`	`badl`	`kergoth: whats his nick?`
`04:14.34`	`kergoth`	`badl: andyq. he's the aqpkg author`
`04:14.39`	`badl`	`ahhh`
`04:15.03`	`warmi`	`uh .. that link just hanged my Netscape window on Linux`
`04:15.27`	`warmi`	`not that it takes much to accomplish that anyway ..`
`04:15.28`	`warmi`	`but stil`
`04:15.30`	`kergoth`	`badl: other than color, i dont see what that has that opie-sfcave doesnt`
`04:16.28`	`H4NZ0`	`anyone using qpaint ?`
`04:16.31`	`treke\|home`	`I like the old lucasarts/sierra style advantures for pdas. You dont need to devote too much time in any one sitting to enjoy it`
`04:16.40`	`kergoth`	`yea`
`04:16.42`	`kergoth`	`me too`
`04:16.59`	`badl`	`kergoth: the actual worm is not responsive, in the same manner as that java applet online.... on the Z it feels as though it lags behind, and when you hold the "key/button" it should accelerate up, not just increase linearly`
`04:17.01`	`treke\|home`	`I ought to try sarien again`
`04:17.30`	`Cloudchaser`	`hmm i just bought IF`
`04:17.38`	`Cloudchaser`	`but it doesn't tell me how to download it`
`04:17.41`	`Cloudchaser`	`or where to`
`04:17.46`	`kergoth`	`badl: maybe just needs a algorithm change. talk to em`
`04:17.48`	`treke\|home`	`Cloudchaser: You'll get an email`
`04:17.56`	`Cloudchaser`	`i got the email.. from paypal`
`04:17.58`	`badl`	`kergoth: i will do`
`04:18.04`	`treke\|home`	`Cloudchaser: wait for the email from Neo\|Work`
`04:18.13`	`treke\|home`	`paypal doesnt give you instructions`
`04:18.15`	`Cloudchaser`	`ah ok thanks ;)`
`04:18.25`	`Cloudchaser`	`yeah i noticed paypal doesn't ;)`
`04:18.34`	`treke\|home`	`too bad scummvm and qt didnt get along`
`04:18.53`	`warmi`	`is bigboss still around these days ?`
`04:19.09`	`kergoth`	`yeah`
`04:19.36`	`Cloudchaser`	`got the email ;) thanks treke`
`04:19.49`	`kergoth`	`badl: i see what you mean`
`04:19.55`	`kergoth`	`badl: you can really dodge shit better`
`04:20.10`	`badl`	`kergoth: yep....`
`04:20.11`	`kergoth`	`badl: course its easier, which is why it needs more blocks in your way .. makes sense`
`04:20.32`	`badl`	`kergoth: wait until the cave gets narrow!`
`04:20.39`	`kergoth`	`badl: hehe`
`04:21.05`	`badl`	`once you get up to around 3000 (in score) it becomes interesting!`
`04:21.18`	`TheMasterMind1`	`eh?`
`04:21.23`	`TheMasterMind1`	`my highscore is... 730`
`04:21.30`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: on Z version or sfcave.com?`
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`04:22.10`	`TheMasterMind1`	`z version`
`04:23.21`	`H4NZ0`	`anyone using qpaint ?`
`04:24.23`	`Sniper1`	`lala`
`04:25.58`	`Cloudchaser`	`hi Sniper1`
`04:27.41`	`Sniper`	`hi!`
`04:29.03`	`Cloudchaser`	`how are you doing?`
`04:30.06`	`Cloudchaser`	`i just bought interstellar flames and downloaded couple more games`
`04:30.23`	`Cloudchaser`	`driving to florida thursday night for christmas so i'm loading up my z`
`04:30.56`	`Cloudchaser`	`we got a power inverter with 2 plugs for the car so we can plug in the z and the gameboy :)`
`04:31.10`	`Cloudchaser`	`or charge their batteries`
`04:31.14`	`Sniper`	`hehe cool..`
`04:31.23`	`Cloudchaser`	`or plug in laptop`
`04:31.25`	`Sniper`	`neo would be happy`
`04:31.31`	`Sniper`	`instant power makes those as well`
`04:31.35`	`Sniper`	`usb charger`
`04:31.46`	`Cloudchaser`	`i have a battery pack for the z`
`04:31.53`	`Cloudchaser`	`but this is just like..2 house outlets`
`04:32.00`	`Cloudchaser`	`and it plugs into the cigarette lighter`
`04:32.02`	`Sniper`	`thanks for being a loyal customer .. we need more people like you`
`04:32.22`	`Cloudchaser`	`i like the zaurus`
`04:32.42`	`Cloudchaser`	`i'd have bought my son one for christmas and my husband but..i'm unemployed at the moment`
`04:32.45`	`Cloudchaser`	`maybe next year`
`04:32.56`	`Sniper`	`ok - thats fine... prices are cheap...`
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`04:33.29`	`badl`	`Cloudchaser: no no, i think you mean, you'll give your son the sl5500 and buy yourself a 5600 ;)`
`04:33.35`	`Cloudchaser`	`not so cheap after you are laid off..but if i was working it wouldn't be so bad`
`04:33.40`	`Cloudchaser`	`hehe`
`04:33.51`	`darius`	`man, I just got 128M SD tonight`
`04:33.56`	`Cloudchaser`	`nice`
`04:33.58`	`Sniper`	`the 5600 ?? well i dunno... its a little bigger`
`04:34.07`	`badl`	`dariit sucks when you fill that up with apps though :(`
`04:34.07`	`darius`	`but several package won't install on it (though some will) .. but they install fine on the ram disk`
`04:34.10`	`Cloudchaser`	`you know what the cool thing about being a woman is?`
`04:34.18`	`Cloudchaser`	`we don't have to put the z in a pocket :)`
`04:34.21`	`Cloudchaser`	`we have purses for that`
`04:34.27`	`Sniper`	`ahh.. thats true`
`04:34.35`	`Cloudchaser`	`so if its a bit bigger..no biggie`
`04:34.40`	`badl`	`yeah`
`04:34.43`	`Sniper`	`i think you'rte the only woman user we have.. 99% users are male`
`04:34.50`	`Cloudchaser`	`and actually i'm holding out to see if the c700 is released in use`
`04:34.55`	`Sniper`	`the product really hasnt done that well with females`
`04:35.00`	`Cloudchaser`	`actually a woman i used to work with in nyc got one before i did`
`04:35.03`	`Cloudchaser`	`i was so jealous`
`04:35.09`	`Sniper`	`was she a linux user?`
`04:35.12`	`darius`	`anyone have ee, kismet, or nmap install on SD?`
`04:35.17`	`Cloudchaser`	`she''s not even a geek like me.. just an office type`
`04:35.24`	`Cloudchaser`	`no she wasnt sniper`
`04:35.34`	`Cloudchaser`	`she and her husband both got one`
`04:35.38`	`Cloudchaser`	`and this was back in may`
`04:35.44`	`Cloudchaser`	`when the first hit the streets`
`04:35.50`	`darius`	`was her husband a techie?`
`04:35.58`	`Cloudchaser`	`hmm he might have been`
`04:36.02`	`darius`	`probably :)`
`04:36.14`	`Sniper`	`hmm`
`04:36.44`	`H4NZ0`	`anyone using qpaint ? i cant get it to open image files..`
`04:36.59`	`Cloudchaser`	`having the zaurus made me make the final move to linux on my pc's at home..that and some nasty windows viruses`
`04:37.20`	`Cloudchaser`	`just a couple things i do now on windows and i use the hubby's pc for that`
`04:37.25`	`Cloudchaser`	`ooh`
`04:37.34`	`Cloudchaser`	`well you should :)`
`04:37.37`	`Sniper`	`but doesnt fit in my pocket`
`04:37.37`	`Cloudchaser`	`you work for sharp`
`04:37.44`	`Cloudchaser`	`i'll trade!`
`04:37.53`	`Sniper`	`you dont want the curent ROM i have..`
`04:37.57`	`Cloudchaser`	`hehe`
`04:37.59`	`Sniper`	`its still not tweaked`
`04:38.23`	`Cloudchaser`	`i want the clamshell ;)`
`04:38.28`	`Cloudchaser`	`that would be cool`
`04:38.34`	`badl`	`may -- i hate those kinda words ;)`
`04:38.40`	`Cloudchaser`	`i hope its optimized`
`04:38.41`	`Sniper`	`im pushing for it.. but we need to 'tweak' it for the US market`
`04:38.52`	`badl`	`Sniper: what needs tweaking?`
`04:38.58`	`Sniper`	`tweaking = add more features`
`04:39.10`	`Sniper`	`features=more technology`
`04:39.13`	`Cloudchaser`	`did they fix the problems with the xscale?`
`04:39.24`	`prpplague`	`Sniper: a battery that lasts more than 45 minutes?`
`04:39.25`	`badl`	`Sniper: one thing i do not like about the physical design of the c700 is the hinge where the screen is attached to the base/keyboard`
`04:39.40`	`Sniper`	`problems?? you mean intels bad flaw?`
`04:39.43`	`badl`	`Sniper: it looks out of proportion to the rest of the design`
`04:39.55`	`Cloudchaser`	`Sniper: i signed up for linux world in january.. will you have new models on display there?`
`04:40.06`	`Sniper`	`IF it comes to the US , we will need to make sure we modify it a bit ..`
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`04:40.16`	`prpplague`	`Cloudchaser: ya well the xscale silicon issues won't get fixed for atleast a year`
`04:40.18`	`badl`	`need a BIG battery for the c700 too`
`04:40.22`	`H4NZ0`	`yeah.. palm batteries are better`
`04:40.23`	`Cloudchaser`	`ack!!`
`04:40.29`	`Sniper`	`cloudchaser: no - we wont have a booth this year... but we'll be in IBM and Intel's booth (i'll be in intel) :-)`
`04:40.32`	`Cloudchaser`	`some things will be slower then on the 5500`
`04:40.36`	`Sniper`	`badl: yup, and maybe 802.11`
`04:40.43`	`Cloudchaser`	`aww`
`04:40.51`	`Cloudchaser`	`i was hoping sharp would have a booth`
`04:40.57`	`Cloudchaser`	`i always miss those ones ;(`
`04:40.58`	`Sniper`	`cloudchaser: we're not going to announce anything new`
`04:41.08`	`Sniper`	`go to CES - we have over 30 Zs on display`
`04:41.10`	`Cloudchaser`	`i know but i'd like to see the c700 and the 5600`
`04:41.16`	`Cloudchaser`	`whats CES?`
`04:41.17`	`Sniper`	`CES = consumer electronic show in early january`
`04:41.23`	`Cloudchaser`	`wheres that?`
`04:41.32`	`Sniper`	`it's a BIG show for us.. in VEgas.. this year we'll have acrobats`
`04:41.33`	`Sniper`	`haha`
`04:41.38`	`Sniper`	`last year were olympic divers`
`04:41.41`	`Cloudchaser`	`oh i can't go to vegas ;(`
`04:41.46`	`Cloudchaser`	`nyc i can`
`04:41.56`	`Cloudchaser`	`its only 60 miles`
`04:42.05`	`Cloudchaser`	`and i can take the train in`
`04:42.16`	`Sniper`	`honestly the shows havent been all that good for us`
`04:42.25`	`Sniper`	`or in general shows havent been that good`
`04:42.36`	`kergoth`	`i cant afford to hit CES or i would`
`04:42.40`	`Cloudchaser`	`well the economy isn't too good`
`04:42.41`	`kergoth`	`i hit comdex, but that was dead`
`04:42.50`	`Sniper`	`kergoth: comdex sucked.. did you drop by the sharp area?`
`04:42.55`	`Cloudchaser`	`i wanted to take some of those classes but they were 300.00 each`
`04:43.09`	`Cloudchaser`	`why did they suck?`
`04:43.12`	`kergoth`	`Sniper: never found it!`
`04:43.19`	`Sniper`	`kergoth: whoops.. haha`
`04:43.27`	`kergoth`	`Sniper: heh. i wanted to check out prpplague's backpack unit too`
`04:43.29`	`Sniper`	`comdex is going backrupt..`
`04:43.29`	`kergoth`	`Sniper: ah well`
`04:43.42`	`kergoth`	`Sniper: doesnt surprise me. everyone was talking about how dead it was this year`
`04:43.44`	`Cloudchaser`	`it is?`
`04:43.56`	`Sniper`	`well it's key3media.. the company that hosts these shows`
`04:43.59`	`prpplague`	`kergoth: i'm gonna assemble v3 this weekend`
`04:44.10`	`Sniper`	`prpplauge: whats your backpack?`
`04:44.24`	`Cloudchaser`	`i'd like a battery backpack for extra battery`
`04:44.33`	`Cloudchaser`	`but don't really need the scanner thingy`
`04:44.53`	`darius`	`anyone know what syntax the Install uses to install packages? I'd like to start with it and tweak at the command line`
`04:44.55`	`kergoth`	`prpplague: v3? oh version 3?`
`04:45.08`	`darius`	`er, the gui instaler`
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`04:45.35`	`Cloudchaser`	`hello killefiz`
`04:45.41`	`kergoth`	`hey killefiz_`
`04:46.22`	`prpplague`	`kergoth: i think i'm gonna use a sony camcorder battery this time`
`04:46.30`	`prpplague`	`kergoth: 3800mAh`
`04:46.42`	`badl`	`that will be some juice!`
`04:46.55`	`kergoth`	`badl: you got me hooked on this damn game`
`04:47.17`	`badl`	`kergoth: trust me i have wasted many hours in the past few months on that one!`
`04:47.27`	`badl`	`kergoth: whats your hiscore?`
`04:47.32`	`Cloudchaser`	`i played tickypip in the car the other day :)`
`04:47.37`	`Cloudchaser`	`that was pretty fun`
`04:47.47`	`ljp`	`tickypip?`
`04:47.51`	`Cloudchaser`	`hehe`
`04:47.53`	`Cloudchaser`	`yep`
`04:48.02`	`ljp`	`wtf is that?`
`04:48.26`	`kergoth`	`badl: only 1818 so far`
`04:48.38`	`badl`	`beginner ;0`
`04:48.47`	`kergoth`	`yeh`
`04:49.05`	`Cloudchaser`	`http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=760`
`04:49.39`	`badl`	`Cloudchaser: is it hard?`
`04:49.56`	`Cloudchaser`	`it kinda is at first`
`04:50.08`	`kergoth`	`badl: 2154.. gettign there`
`04:50.14`	`Cloudchaser`	`but not too bad, but then it gets harder each level`
`04:50.23`	`ljp`	`hnmm`
`04:50.59`	`Cloudchaser`	`i only got to level 3 then my battery died`
`04:51.06`	`Cloudchaser`	`i didn't have my battery pack with me`
`04:51.31`	`badl`	`kergoth: you should also try out 3dsfcave (available on the sfcave.com) -- that is also kewl, however it takes a little bit getting use to`
`04:51.39`	`kergoth`	`badl: k`
`04:51.51`	`badl`	`unfortunately its a win32 binary`
`04:52.06`	`Cloudchaser`	`i couldn't get andy's sfcave`
`04:52.39`	`Cloudchaser`	`the link was bad on zsi`
`04:52.40`	`kergoth`	`badl: thats what wine is for`
`04:52.55`	`kergoth`	`Cloudchaser: ah. i can build a sharp format ipk if you like`
`04:53.01`	`badl`	`kergoth: yeah but i dont like getting drunk ;)`
`04:53.05`	`kergoth`	`Cloudchaser: we've got it in the oz feeds, but thats the new format`
`04:53.15`	`Cloudchaser`	`there isn't one for sharp rom now kergoth?`
`04:53.59`	`kergoth`	`Cloudchaser: oz feeds? the classicfeed for oz isnt updated atm`
`04:54.03`	`kergoth`	`Cloudchaser: i need to update it`
`04:54.45`	`Sniper`	`gnite all`
`04:55.01`	`*** part/#zaurus Sniper (~Sniper@ool-43526eaa.dyn.optonline.net)`
`04:55.02`	`Cloudchaser`	`g'night Sniper`
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`04:55.12`	`H4NZ0`	`so.. will 5600 ROM installs on 5500 ?`
`04:55.22`	`TheMasterMind1`	`doubt it`
`04:55.24`	`TheMasterMind1`	`use OZ :)`
`04:55.27`	`Cloudchaser`	`kergoth: the link on zsi is to andy's feed`
`04:55.32`	`badl`	`H4NZ0: try it and let us know`
`04:55.44`	`kergoth`	`Cloudchaser: yea`
`04:56.04`	`kergoth`	`oGMo: well, it has to happen.. but havent decided on a name`
`04:56.16`	`kergoth`	`oGMo: imho we need a name submission form on the site where you can vote on user submitted names`
`04:56.16`	`oGMo`	`kergoth: ah, k`
`04:56.24`	`oGMo`	`that'd be neat`
`04:56.41`	`badl`	`openLizard`
`04:56.52`	`H4NZ0`	`why ?hnn`
`04:57.49`	`oGMo`	`Opium`
`04:57.52`	`oGMo`	`hehe`
`04:58.11`	`darius`	`does SD memory burn out after so many writes?`
`04:58.19`	`kergoth`	`hehe, i like jasons 'the Zorce'`
`04:58.22`	`oGMo`	`darius: it's flash, yeah`
`04:58.27`	`oGMo`	`kergoth: that rocks ;)`
`04:58.34`	`darius`	`ugh, how many writes?`
`04:58.39`	`kergoth`	`oGMo: we need a pingizauru in robes`
`04:58.41`	`chouimat`	`ok the zip is working`
`04:58.41`	`oGMo`	`darius: a hell of a lot`
`04:58.48`	`oGMo`	`kergoth: hehehe`
`04:58.52`	kergoth`movie	`bbl, two towers`
`04:58.59`	`oGMo`	kergoth`movie: have fun :)
`04:59.15`	`chouimat`	kergoth`movie: which movie?
`04:59.32`	`badl`	`haha 2 towers... i only saw the fellowship last friday.. and i fell asleep in it!`
`05:00.21`	`chouimat`	`badl: I fall asleep while reading it`
`05:00.35`	`badl`	`ive never read i`
`05:00.36`	`badl`	`t`
`05:01.04`	`darius`	`dangit.. the gui installer won't install many applications on my SD .. but it works at the command line. Anyone know what syntax the gui installer is using?`
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`05:03.03`	`treke\|home`	`darius: Hate to say it, but it's more than syntax`
`05:03.15`	`treke\|home`	`darius: The gui installer makes the necessarry symlinks`
`05:03.26`	`darius`	`oh :(`
`05:03.54`	`darius`	`this is odd .. does the gui installer usually have a high failure rate installing apps to SD?`
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`05:06.37`	`frogman`	`hey all, anyone know of a good site that could help me setup my new wcf11 wireless card with the 5500?`
`05:06.49`	`Cloudchaser`	`hehe i got 1265 points in IF :)`
`05:07.00`	`badl`	`frogman: zauruszone.com`
`05:07.01`	`TheMasterMind1`	`frogman: plug it in :)`
`05:07.06`	`Cloudchaser`	`the real version is a bit harder than the demo`
`05:07.10`	`Cloudchaser`	`and much faster i think`
`05:07.13`	`frogman`	`badl: thanks`
`05:07.20`	`frogman`	`TheMasterMind1: and that's it?`
`05:07.34`	`Cloudchaser`	`frogman: mine worked after i plugged it in`
`05:07.45`	`Cloudchaser`	`have to do the wireless configuration though`
`05:08.02`	`Cloudchaser`	`and add a lan/tcp ip setting in network configuration`
`05:08.07`	`frogman`	`Cloudchaser: cool, and I would plug it in with the power on?`
`05:08.07`	`Cloudchaser`	`on sharp rom that is`
`05:08.18`	`Cloudchaser`	`your wireless card?`
`05:08.23`	`frogman`	`that's the rom i'm using now`
`05:08.30`	`frogman`	`Cloudchaser: yes`
`05:08.37`	`Cloudchaser`	`with the power on is fine`
`05:08.58`	`Cloudchaser`	`just make sure to eject it with the taskbar applet`
`05:08.59`	`frogman`	`thanks...if it's that easy, i'm going to be really happy`
`05:09.05`	`frogman`	`ok`
`05:09.08`	`Cloudchaser`	`what kinda card?`
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`05:09.15`	`frogman`	`linksys wcf11`
`05:09.22`	`TheMasterMind1`	`the big one right?`
`05:09.35`	`badl`	`big one is ugly ;)`
`05:09.52`	`frogman`	`big one?`
`05:09.57`	`Cloudchaser`	`that one i think should work right off`
`05:10.03`	`TheMasterMind1`	`does it cover the audio port and the stylus hole?`
`05:10.06`	`Cloudchaser`	`the 12 has to have a line put in one of the files`
`05:10.19`	`Cloudchaser`	`http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/feed_howto.shtml`
`05:10.26`	`frogman`	`TheMasterMind1: i think it does, but that doesn't matter to me`
`05:10.26`	`Cloudchaser`	`bookmark that`
`05:10.29`	`Cloudchaser`	`its your best friend`
`05:11.08`	`frogman`	`cool`
`05:12.14`	`chouimat\|Zzzz`	`night`
`05:12.17`	`Cloudchaser`	`http://zaurus.knightfire.com/`
`05:12.31`	`Cloudchaser`	`thats for card compatibility`
`05:15.27`	`treke\|home`	`hmmm. looks like scummvm has been restructured a bit. Maybe its time to give it another shot`
`05:16.20`	`Cloudchaser`	`let me know how you make out ;)`
`05:17.02`	`Cloudchaser`	`well time for dreamland`
`05:17.07`	`Cloudchaser`	`g'night everyone`
`05:17.27`	`Cloudchaser`	kergoth`movie: have fun tonight!
`05:17.37`	`Cloudchaser`	`oh he's gone already :)`
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`05:25.01`	`treke\|home`	`sweeet`
`05:25.09`	`treke\|home`	`opie properly styles tkc apps now`
`05:27.45`	`Cloudchaser`	`:)`
`05:28.23`	`treke\|home`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:29.46`	`TheMasterMind1`	`treke\|home: mnnn`
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`05:35.30`	`treke\|home`	`TheMasterMind1: rather spiffy :)`
`05:35.38`	`TheMasterMind1`	`indeed`
`05:35.45`	`TheMasterMind1`	`works great with hancom apps too now`
`05:35.56`	`TheMasterMind1`	`oz users are very happy`
`05:37.23`	`treke\|home`	`if op2 streams again, I'm gonna be a very happy camper`
`05:41.18`	`treke\|home`	`I am a happy camper!`
`05:42.45`	`TheMasterMind1`	`heheh`
`05:42.48`	`TheMasterMind1`	`goodstuff`
`05:43.09`	`treke\|home`	`time to do a CVS build and break something :)`
`05:44.00`	`H4NZ0`	`im waiting for oz 31`
`05:46.24`	`treke\|home`	`now I just need php, apache, and mysql :)`
`05:46.32`	`TheMasterMind1`	`why apache?`
`05:46.34`	`TheMasterMind1`	`use nanoweb`
`05:46.53`	`treke\|home`	`TheMasterMind1: Because I'm developing for apache :)`
`05:47.01`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ohok`
`05:47.44`	`treke\|home`	`besides, with php and mysql, we're long past being space conscious :)`
`05:47.58`	`H4NZ0`	`so when 31 will be released ?`
`05:48.10`	`TheMasterMind1`	`not for a while`
`05:48.12`	`TheMasterMind1`	`rc1 is pretty stable`
`05:48.26`	`TheMasterMind1`	`oz3.1 might even come out with 2.4.19`
`05:48.28`	`TheMasterMind1`	`in a month or so`
`05:48.59`	`H4NZ0`	`a month.. hmm.. ok`
`05:49.14`	`TheMasterMind1`	`probably longer`
`05:49.14`	`H4NZ0`	`i want a very stable one :)`
`05:51.06`	`badl`	`treke\|home: bah... C and SQLlite ;)`
`05:51.24`	`treke\|home`	`badl: hehehe. too late :)`
`05:51.37`	`badl`	`treke\|home: what is it your developing?`
`05:51.46`	`treke\|home`	`badl: worklist software`
`05:52.02`	`badl`	`worklist? like what jobs i have todo today?`
`05:52.10`	`treke\|home`	`basically.`
`05:52.18`	`treke\|home`	`thats one of a few apps`
`05:52.25`	`badl`	`ahhh`
`05:53.12`	`treke\|home`	`badl: not intended for use on the Z`
`05:53.22`	`treke\|home`	`just wanted to see if I could get it running there`
`05:53.28`	`badl`	`ic`
`05:53.41`	`treke\|home`	`and maybe get a bit of work done while waiting in line for Two Towers`
`05:53.50`	`H4NZ0`	`web based I assume`
`05:53.55`	`badl`	`hehe yeah`
`05:56.12`	`frogman`	`setting up the wireless lan card, how would i know what keys to use? i know i'm using 128 bit encryption for the access point, but linksys generated the key automatically from the password i gave to it`
`05:56.24`	`frogman`	`on my laptop, that is`
`05:56.27`	`TheMasterMind1`	`just enter the key..`
`05:56.37`	`frogman`	`just one key?`
`05:56.42`	`TheMasterMind1`	`there should only be one`
`05:56.45`	`TheMasterMind1`	`for your network`
`05:56.51`	`TheMasterMind1`	`all the nodes on the wifi network use the same key`
`05:59.25`	`frogman`	`ok, i think i can get to it`
`05:59.39`	`frogman`	`i remember the password i used for the laptops, but not the key`
`05:59.57`	`TheMasterMind1`	`hmm`
`06:00.01`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i think you need to enter the pass`
`06:00.04`	`TheMasterMind1`	`not the key`
`06:00.49`	`frogman`	`that's the problem. if i enter the password, it isn't accepted`
`06:01.09`	`frogman`	`also, is it necessary to setup the software on windows?`
`06:01.18`	`TheMasterMind1`	`shouldn't be`
`06:01.23`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i dunno much about the sharp rom though`
`06:01.25`	`TheMasterMind1`	`so dont' ask me`
`06:01.46`	`frogman`	`ok, you've been a big help. thanks.`
`06:01.50`	`TheMasterMind1`	`anytime`
`06:02.09`	`frogman`	`i plan on converting to the openz rom when i get more sd memory`
`06:02.40`	`TheMasterMind1`	`good choice :)`
`06:04.20`	`H4NZ0`	`you'll run out of battery first`
`06:04.20`	`H4NZ0`	`:P`
`06:06.32`	`Com[Plex]`	`hey TheMasterMind1`
`06:07.06`	`TheMasterMind1`	`Com[Plex]: sup`
`06:07.14`	`Com[Plex]`	`called ups for the 6th time, and they still hadnt found my package. - so I called Sharp, and they DID have it. they had even logged that it was worked on this afternoon.`
`06:07.22`	`TheMasterMind1`	`heh`
`06:07.23`	`Com[Plex]`	`UPS doesnt know they even have it`
`06:07.27`	`TheMasterMind1`	`lol`
`06:07.28`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ouch`
`06:07.39`	`TheMasterMind1`	`atleast sharp has it now`
`06:07.50`	`Com[Plex]`	`only problem now, is that sharp is replacing some board in it, and the part is backordered`
`06:07.56`	`TheMasterMind1`	`oh joy`
`06:08.30`	`Com[Plex]`	`badl : Com[Plex] is actually derivitave fo a typo. I almost allways hit [p when I mean to just hit p`
`06:08.43`	`badl`	`ic`
`06:09.16`	`Com[Plex]`	`I have a neurological disorder, its like a parity error between my brain and my fingers. - my fingers dont do what I tell them to`
`06:09.29`	`badl`	`yeah i remember reading about that on your site`
`06:09.39`	`Com[Plex]`	`ut anyway, as far as nicks are concerned, I thought it looked cool :>`
`06:09.45`	`Com[Plex]`	`yeah?`
`06:09.49`	`TheMasterMind1`	`heheh`
`06:10.00`	`badl`	`the alice in wonderland stuff.. right?`
`06:10.11`	`Com[Plex]`	`uhhh...`
`06:10.39`	`Com[Plex]`	`not sure if Im on the same page as you are. but hey, I got the memory issues too.`
`06:10.53`	`badl`	`heheh`
`06:11.23`	`badl`	`memory issues are a problem, espically when i loook at code i wrote a few weeks ago - i have no clue what is going on!`
`06:11.31`	`Com[Plex]`	`what do you mean by alice and wonderland stuff... - refresh my memory and Ill probably click..`
`06:11.37`	`Com[Plex]`	`lol`
`06:11.39`	`badl`	`ohh`
`06:12.00`	`badl`	`maybe your not the person i am think of.... there is a dude here which has alice in wonderland syndrome`
`06:12.15`	`badl`	`i forget his nick`
`06:12.20`	`Com[Plex]`	`"alice in wonderland syndrome" ? never heard of it....`
`06:12.36`	`badl`	`yeah, neither had i`
`06:13.10`	`badl`	`something which effects vision, it distorts it into a strange perspective`
`06:13.30`	`Com[Plex]`	`Oh hey, Im looking it up right now.`
`06:13.43`	`Com[Plex]`	`I experienced this once, when smoking pcp when I was like 17.`
`06:13.53`	`Com[Plex]`	`- by accident -`
`06:14.03`	`badl`	`hehe.. yeah I have similar experience on shrooms`
`06:14.09`	`Com[Plex]`	`take my word for it. that was a horrific experience`
`06:15.47`	`badl`	`check this page out http://rikkus.info/rikkus.html`
`06:16.21`	`Com[Plex]`	`yweah, im on it allready :>`
`06:16.26`	`Com[Plex]`	`http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=alice+in+wonderland+syndrome+`
`06:16.31`	`Com[Plex]`	`I got an alias :.`
`06:16.33`	`Com[Plex]`	`:>`
`06:17.02`	`Com[Plex]`	`google //say http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q= $+ $1+ $+ $2+ $+ $3+ $+ $4+ $+ $5+ $+ $6+ $+ $7+ $+ $8+ $+ $9+ $+ $10`
`06:17.14`	`Com[Plex]`	`add /alias in front of that and you got it`
`06:17.27`	`TheMasterMind1`	`lol`
`06:17.31`	`badl`	`heh`
`06:17.33`	`TheMasterMind1`	`mirc scriptkiddies`
`06:17.57`	`badl`	`xchat is a good clone ;)`
`06:19.27`	`frogman`	`TheMasterMind1: got it working. thanks again.`
`06:19.28`	`Com[Plex]`	`lol`
`06:19.33`	`TheMasterMind1`	`frogman: np`
`06:39.55`	`H4NZ0`	`can Z receive beam from PalmOS ?`
`06:41.27`	`badl`	`H4NZ0: if you write a driver to do that, then yes`
`06:43.52`	`H4NZ0`	`no wonder..`
`06:43.56`	`H4NZ0`	`^_^`
`06:44.29`	`badl`	`H4NZ0: what did you have in mind by wanting the Z to talk to the Palm?`
`06:47.09`	`H4NZ0`	`exchanging contacts ? :)`
`06:49.02`	`badl`	`that sounds con-tastic`
`06:49.47`	`H4NZ0`	`and my friends palm can transfer contacts, SMSs from cellphones too..`
`06:56.25`	`NeoTron`	`evening`
`06:57.43`	`H4NZ0`	`what history ?`
`06:57.44`	`NeoTron`	`although I had done some programming earlier I didn't really start until... uhm. 93 or so when I wizzed in an LPMUD`
`06:57.49`	`NeoTron`	`of this channel`
`06:59.14`	`H4NZ0`	`ic`
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`07:09.13`	`noidd`	`so, BZFlag buying the beers?`
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`08:17.37`	`paperclip`	`does the zaurus act as a usb host/master`
`08:17.40`	`paperclip`	`?`
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`08:24.22`	`kolla`	`paperclip: no`
`08:24.28`	`kolla`	`it's a dummy`
`08:24.31`	`paperclip`	`yeah`
`08:24.40`	`paperclip`	`i just read a faq`
`08:24.47`	`paperclip`	`lame eh?`
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`08:24.51`	`kolla`	`yes`
`08:25.30`	`kolla`	`would be nice if one could get it to act as a USB storage device though :)`
`08:25.41`	`paperclip`	`very cool =)`
`08:25.54`	`kolla`	`but I doubt it is possible`
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`09:30.56`	`BZFlag`	`kolla: afaik usb storage devices are raw block devices that normally have vfat filesystems on them. if you mapped to the jffs2 storage, that would not do windows users much good.`
`09:31.19`	`BZFlag`	`should be possible to map to a vfat mmc/sd/cf card but that's not as useful.`
`09:31.47`	`kolla`	`usb storage can be any filesystem`
`09:32.33`	`kolla`	`but the idea was to simulate a usb storage, so..`
`09:33.11`	`kolla`	`but it wont happen anyways :)`
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`10:01.58`	`GlaD`	`hi`
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`10:57.41`	`Piete`	`Hey all`
`10:57.43`	`smee\|wrk`	`hm...cant get this card working with affix on oz - tried all the packages I can find and built my own affix-kernel and affix`
`10:57.50`	`smee\|wrk`	`hey Piete`
`10:57.50`	`George-`	`hello`
`10:57.53`	`Piete`	`:)`
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`10:58.13`	`Piete`	`Anyone went to see TTT?`
`10:58.32`	`smee\|wrk`	`seeing it on Thursday`
`10:58.39`	`Piete`	`cool :)`
`10:58.55`	`Piete`	`I think I'm gonna go see it this weekend`
`10:59.09`	`smee\|wrk`	`cool`
`10:59.39`	`smee\|wrk`	`christmas party last night...head hurts inside where my brain is :)`
`10:59.46`	`Piete`	`hehe`
`11:00.30`	`George-`	`smee\|wrk: Took photos? :)`
`11:00.35`	`George-`	`smee\|wrk: bribe ur boss =P`
`11:00.39`	`Piete`	`hmm, TTT releases here in korea on the 19th`
`11:00.47`	`Piete`	`a WHOLE DAY later :P`
`11:00.54`	`smee\|wrk`	`George-: lol`
`11:01.22`	`smee\|wrk`	`Piete: better book a flight ;)`
`11:01.48`	`George-`	`smee\|wrk: hahaha`
`11:01.51`	`smee\|wrk`	`I do have photos..havent looked yet`
`11:01.52`	`Piete`	`lol, nah, I'll just walk 3 minutes :) I'm here already :P`
`11:02.20`	`George-`	`smee\|wrk: heh`
`11:02.30`	`George-`	`smee\|wrk: don't faint when you look at them :)`
`11:03.38`	`smee\|wrk`	`hehe...drinking those shots really wasnt necessary`
`11:03.42`	`George-`	`I miss my tibook`
`11:03.44`	`George-`	`BOOOHOOO`
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`11:03.55`	`smee\|wrk`	`where'd it go?`
`11:03.59`	`George-`	`repair`
`11:04.00`	`Piete`	`hey zxcvb`
`11:04.04`	`smee\|wrk`	`ah`
`11:04.19`	`Zxcvb`	`yeh`
`11:04.25`	`Zxcvb`	`any chance of a new exult release?`
`11:04.37`	`Piete`	`George-: I thought you didnt like them? (Or was it someone else.. damn my short memory)`
`11:05.02`	`George-`	`I said I wouldn't recommend someone buy a powerbook`
`11:05.14`	`George-`	`But I've become so dependant on it`
`11:05.17`	`George-`	`heh`
`11:05.25`	`George-`	`(well it's better than this crappy K6-2 :)`
`11:05.29`	`Piete`	`lol`
`11:05.37`	`Zxcvb`	`k6-2?`
`11:05.43`	`Piete`	`nah, I'll just wait for my Athlon 64, and Geforce FX :)`
`11:05.51`	`Piete`	`Zxcvb: pre athlon AMDs`
`11:05.55`	`Zxcvb`	`burn your sensitive parts`
`11:05.59`	`George-`	`Zxcvb: The older AMD processor. Two generations before the Athlon Classic`
`11:06.20`	`George-`	`Piete: heh. I'm gonna wait for a SledgeHammer too :)`
`11:06.31`	`Zxcvb`	`Piete: yeah`
`11:06.41`	`Zxcvb`	`Piete: got a 2nd degree burn from one, even with the fan/heatsink on`
`11:06.59`	`George-`	`Zxcvb: from what?`
`11:07.21`	`Zxcvb`	`k6-2`
`11:07.22`	`Zxcvb`	`or was that k6`
`11:07.31`	`George-`	`oh right`
`11:07.32`	`Piete`	`yea, I had a cyrix once that burned me 10 minutes after the system was powered down`
`11:07.38`	`George-`	`This K6-2 is very cold :)`
`11:07.46`	`George-`	`The G4 PowerBook gets VERY hot`
`11:08.00`	`Zxcvb`	`George-: enough to burn your dick?`
`11:08.04`	`George-`	`probably`
`11:08.07`	`Zxcvb`	`George-: like the P4 laptops`
`11:08.09`	`George-`	`But I'm not stupid :)`
`11:08.09`	`Piete`	`hahahaha`
`11:08.33`	`Johnmcl7`	`laptop*`
`11:08.44`	`Zxcvb`	`George-: what's the point of a laptop if you can't use it on top of your lap?`
`11:08.46`	`George-`	`All my machines with the exception of 2 are AMDs`
`11:08.53`	`George-`	`Zxcvb: I dunno`
`11:09.04`	`Johnmcl7`	`I like my one a lot, it's the only PC I've kept for over a year`
`11:09.05`	`George-`	`Zxcvb: I normally put a book on my lap then put the laptop on top of it`
`11:09.22`	`George-`	`Zxcvb: I don't like using my laptop as a heat source :)`
`11:09.41`	`George-`	`Johnmcl7: I kept my Athlon 600 for 3 years`
`11:09.48`	`George-`	`Johnmcl7: then I decided to go and upgrade it`
`11:10.00`	`smee\|wrk`	`my i8100 is like that; lap + cushion + laptop`
`11:10.21`	`George-`	`My tibook has never burnt me though`
`11:10.29`	`George-`	`given me an electric shock: yes, burned me: no`
`11:10.45`	`Zxcvb`	`at least the Z is cool`
`11:10.51`	`Zxcvb`	`how long does the Z battery last?`
`11:10.52`	`George-`	`lol`
`11:10.55`	`George-`	`2-3 hours`
`11:10.59`	`George-`	`bbiab`
`11:11.12`	`smee\|wrk`	`can control the fans though - both on full all the time gets it cool :)`
`11:11.12`	`Zxcvb`	`even when running SDL software like exult/doom?`
`11:14.11`	`Piete`	`Zxcvb: well, I get around 1:30 when I use the CPU extensively and at low brightness`
`11:14.23`	`Piete`	`Zxcvb: but I have a battery pack in my backpack`
`11:14.42`	`Zxcvb`	`Piete: do exult and doom use the CPU extensively?`
`11:15.00`	`Piete`	`Zxcvb: so I just have a think wire from the backpack to the zaurus, and I have enought power to last me at least 12 hours at full bright + wireless`
`11:15.25`	`Piete`	`Zxcvb: hmm, lemme see, I havent run them since I got the zaurus`
`11:16.35`	`Piete`	`Zxcvb: sorry, my zaurus is offline right now,, I'll brb`
`11:17.23`	`George-`	`back`
`11:17.50`	`Zxcvb`	`Piete: what battery pack do you use?`
`11:17.57`	`Zxcvb`	`Piete: and how do you keep it at 5V?`
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`11:24.01`	`George-`	`wtf?`
`11:24.06`	`George-`	`Lineo's being taken over`
`11:24.20`	`Piete`	`yea`
`11:24.20`	`Zxcvb`	`Piete: what battery pack do you use?`
`11:24.27`	`Zxcvb`	`Piete: and how do you keep it at 5V`
`11:25.13`	`George-`	`Zxcvb: don't repeat`
`11:25.25`	`Zxcvb`	`George-: he wasn't here`
`11:26.16`	`George-`	`k`
`11:26.39`	`Piete`	`Zxcvb: its a homebrew pack that uses 4 C cells, and I have a resistor to bring it down a bit`
`11:26.51`	`Piete`	`Zxcvb: I have an article on how to make one somewhere`
`11:26.56`	`Piete`	`lemme just dig it out`
`11:26.58`	`Zxcvb`	`Piete: ah, no voltage regulator?`
`11:28.31`	`Piete`	`well, I just keep it below 5v, and it seems to work pretty well`
`11:29.07`	`Zxcvb`	`Piete: you won't be able to fully run the Z with that`
`11:29.14`	`George-`	`http://www.gamespy.com/top10/december02/grails/index4.shtml`
`11:29.14`	`George-`	`hah`
`11:29.31`	`Zxcvb`	`Piete: the Z's charging system can handle too low power?`
`11:29.46`	`Piete`	`Zxcvb: I know, its does not 'run' of the battery back, it basicaly just extends the normal battery`
`11:30.13`	`Zxcvb`	`Piete: won't that damage the charging system?`
`11:30.36`	`George-`	`Zxcvb: it just acts in the same way as a power cord`
`11:30.44`	`Piete`	`I've been using it for well over a month, and everything seems happy`
`11:30.46`	`Zxcvb`	`George-: except that it could be 4V`
`11:30.55`	`Zxcvb`	`George-: the power cord is 5V`
`11:31.00`	`George-`	`Zxcvb: instead of sticking it into the mains with a whacking great transformer, it runs off batteries`
`11:31.11`	`Zxcvb`	`George-: some devices can be damaged by too low voltage`
`11:31.32`	`George-`	`hrmm`
`11:31.37`	`Zxcvb`	`George-: is the Z that way?`
`11:31.37`	`George-`	`It takes a 6V DC input irrc`
`11:31.41`	`George-`	`s/irrc/iirc`
`11:31.42`	`Zxcvb`	`George-: 5V`
`11:31.49`	`Zxcvb`	`George-: but what if you only input say, 4V`
`11:32.10`	`George-`	`I dunno`
`11:32.24`	`George-`	`He said he only just keeps it below 5V`
`11:32.38`	`George-`	`so it's prolly at like, 4.7V which wouldn't really make a difference`
`11:32.57`	`Zxcvb`	`George-: until the batteries start to drain`
`11:33.05`	`Zxcvb`	`George-: he uses a resistor, not a voltage regulator`
`11:33.35`	`George-`	`what's wrong with using a resistor`
`11:33.54`	`Zxcvb`	`George-: 4.7V at full charge`
`11:34.02`	`George-`	`0V empty..`
`11:34.03`	`Piete`	`Zxcvb: on the back of the AC adapter it says output 5v, 2A`
`11:34.15`	`Zxcvb`	`George-: then it could drop to 4V or even 3.5V before you know something is wrong`
`11:35.14`	`Piete`	`argh, I meant a diode :)`
`11:35.15`	`Piete`	`sorry`
`11:35.32`	`George-`	`Piete: a diode?`
`11:35.47`	`George-`	`erm.. what help is a diode?:)`
`11:36.00`	`Johnmcl7`	`Makes AC into DC`
`11:36.11`	`Piete`	`George-: just as sec, and I'll give you all the details`
`11:36.17`	`Johnmcl7`	`the current can only flow through a diode in one direction`
`11:36.26`	`George-`	`Johnmcl7: I know`
`11:36.34`	`Johnmcl7`	`<- idiot`
`11:36.39`	`George-`	`Johnmcl7: but what help is that to regulate voltage?`
`11:37.01`	`Johnmcl7`	`This from a dc power supply isn't it?`
`11:37.09`	`Piete`	`http://www.pocketpcpassion.com/General/BatteryExtenderBySJ/BatteryExtenderSJ.htm`
`11:37.14`	`Piete`	`thats basically what I have`
`11:38.01`	`Piete`	`and I feel really stupid now, since I assembled the thing a while back, it uses both an resistor, and a diode blush`
`11:39.56`	`Zxcvb`	`a diode will also eat 0.7V`
`11:40.22`	`Piete`	`yea, but its neccesary in the circut`
`11:40.54`	`Piete`	`anyway, I like it, I get to surf the net wirelessly the whole day when I'm out`
`11:42.03`	`Zxcvb`	`Piete: that's probably why it is used`
`11:42.16`	`Zxcvb`	`Piete: 1.2 volts * 4`
`11:42.42`	`Zxcvb`	`how much power does the Z use when it's off?`
`11:43.19`	`troffasky`	`Piete: why do you use the resistor?`
`11:43.45`	`Johnmcl7`	`Morning troffasky`
`11:43.49`	`troffasky`	`mornin'`
`11:44.54`	`troffasky`	`gotta love Citylink [aka Shittylink]: left ~150 quid of kit with the next door neighbours...`
`11:45.09`	`Johnmcl7`	`Yeah`
`11:45.23`	`Johnmcl7`	`They left the note saying they had tried to deliver through the main door to the flat`
`11:45.26`	`Johnmcl7`	`Not the flat door`
`11:45.33`	`Johnmcl7`	`Where all the junkmail is left`
`11:45.37`	`Johnmcl7`	`I just happened to see it`
`11:45.37`	`troffasky`	`lol`
`11:45.47`	`Johnmcl7`	`When I went to collect it, they didn't even ask for ID!`
`11:46.02`	`Johnmcl7`	`Anyone could have taken and collected my wi-fi card`
`11:46.05`	`Johnmcl7`	`Not impressed at all`
`11:46.24`	`troffasky`	`there's a reason they're called ShittLink`
`11:46.35`	`troffasky`	`*Shittylink`
`11:47.27`	`George-`	`Johnmcl7: your WCF12?`
`11:47.33`	`Johnmcl7`	`Yeah`
`11:48.01`	`troffasky`	`2"x1.5" and it comes in a 2cu ft box.....`
`11:48.10`	`George-`	`lol`
`11:48.17`	`George-`	`I've never had trouble with deliveries`
`11:48.23`	`Johnmcl7`	`Well, when they handed a huge box to me I was thinking...this can't be mine...`
`11:49.04`	`troffasky`	`anyone else noticed how wildly the clock drifts on the zaurus?`
`11:50.12`	`ZzzTiger`	`yes!`
`11:50.51`	`Zxcvb`	`troffasky: either sync with a time server every so often or pay $7.00 for the bugfix`
`11:51.12`	`troffasky`	`pay for a bugfix....lol. NTP in a cronjob for me!`
`11:51.32`	`Zxcvb`	`troffasky: you using sharp or OZ?`
`11:51.37`	`troffasky`	`or not, seeing as I don't have crond installed`
`11:51.39`	`troffasky`	`OZ`
`11:51.50`	`Zxcvb`	`troffasky: i'm suprised OZ hasn't fixed that drift yet`
`11:52.09`	`George-`	`troffasky: of course`
`11:52.26`	`Zxcvb`	`troffasky: probably don't want to piss off the guy who wrote drifter`
`11:52.37`	`troffasky`	`Zxcvb: ?`
`11:53.10`	`Zxcvb`	`troffasky: well, if OZ fixed the clock drift, who would purchase drifter?`
`11:53.31`	`George-`	`ppl on the sharp rom?`
`11:53.34`	`troffasky`	`I'm guessing that drifter is a 3rd party fix for clock drift?`
`11:53.44`	`George-`	`OZ developers are entitled to fix bugs =P`
`11:53.52`	`Zxcvb`	`troffasky: yes`
`11:54.02`	`Zxcvb`	`George-: then why hasn't it been fixed in OZ`
`11:54.31`	`George-`	`Zxcvb: Does it look like I know?`
`11:54.33`	`George-`	`heh`
`11:55.39`	`troffasky`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`11:56.46`	`Zxcvb`	`troffasky: there is a gui sync app`
`11:57.22`	`George-`	`I don't have any drift on my Z, btw`
`11:57.26`	`George-`	`Running OZ 3.0`
`11:57.39`	`Zxcvb`	`troffasky: a gui for rdate`
`11:57.50`	`troffasky`	`is rdate like ntp?`
`11:58.06`	`Zxcvb`	`troffasky: sort of`
`11:58.25`	`Zxcvb`	`troffasky: it's not quite as accurate, but you don't have to keep it running for several hours/days to make it accurate`
`11:58.33`	`Zxcvb`	`troffasky: it's accurate to within a second or so`
`11:58.48`	`Zxcvb`	`troffasky: ntp is much more accurate, but requires days to stabilize`
`11:59.34`	`Zxcvb`	`troffasky: one second off isn't that big of a deal for me`
`11:59.49`	`troffasky`	`well me neither`
`12:00.15`	`George-`	`It is for me!!!`
`12:00.16`	`Zxcvb`	`troffasky: get rdate and syncronizeclock`
`12:00.17`	`George-`	`:)`
`12:00.32`	`Zxcvb`	`troffasky: and sync the clocks every so often`
`12:01.15`	`troffasky`	`well I've got ntp working now, and I'm too lazy change it ;-)`
`12:02.53`	`Zxcvb`	`troffasky: until you do a soft reset`
`12:03.05`	`Zxcvb`	`troffasky: and have to keep the Z internet connected for a day or so to stablize ntp`
`12:03.16`	`George-`	`this is weird`
`12:03.22`	`George-`	`I've not had any clock drift ever`
`12:05.16`	`ZzzTiger`	`i reda that the z has a mono-microphone (jack!?) - where is it?`
`12:05.20`	`ZzzTiger`	`read`
`12:05.48`	`smee\|wrk`	`ZzzTiger: top left`
`12:05.54`	`George-`	`It's the same as the headphone`
`12:06.03`	`ZzzTiger`	`hmm...`
`12:06.39`	`ZzzTiger`	`how am i supposed to use zmeeting... is there a special connector that i can use headphone and mic at once?`
`12:07.06`	`troffasky`	`ZzzTiger: It's pronounced "soldering iron" ;-)`
`12:08.13`	`George-`	`hahaha`
`12:08.42`	`ZzzTiger`	`troff... sure.. but which pin is which.. a stereo connectors got three pins.. used for the headpohines... are the same used for the mic? is it mono headpjones + mono mic after all?`
`12:08.58`	`troffasky`	`i think the left one is the mic`
`12:09.07`	`George-`	`ZzzTiger: both sides can be used as output`
`12:09.13`	`George-`	`ZzzTiger: the left side doubles as input`
`12:09.25`	`troffasky`	`get a 3.5mm stereo to 2-mono Y connector`
`12:09.51`	`ZzzTiger`	`i guess i'll just modify some old headset...`
`12:10.39`	`ZzzTiger`	`left side is mic.. ok... is that he pin in the middle or the pin way down.. ?`
`12:11.00`	`troffasky`	`suck it and see`
`12:11.17`	`ZzzTiger`	`need for fora guitar tuner, too :)`
`12:12.50`	`troffasky`	`we need to set up a 'list of uses for the zaurus that sharp never thought of' pag`
`12:12.51`	`troffasky`	`e`
`12:13.12`	`troffasky`	`#1: mobile computing device ;-)`
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`12:17.01`	`Zxcvb`	`ack, how can masq my Z?`
`12:17.15`	`Zxcvb`	`iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE doesn't work`
`12:18.06`	`tez`	`Have you enabled forwarding?`
`12:19.01`	`Zxcvb`	`yes`
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`12:19.31`	`Zxcvb`	`echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward`
`12:19.38`	`Zxcvb`	`iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE`
`12:20.34`	`tez`	`I mean in iptables.`
`12:20.44`	`Zxcvb`	`yes`
`12:21.17`	`tez`	`iptables -A FORWARDING -i eth0 -o ppp0 -j allow`
`12:21.31`	`tez`	`(I'm not sure of the syntax, I'm not at my linux box)`
`12:22.05`	`Zxcvb`	`tez: that's usb0`
`12:24.59`	`tez`	`Have you added a FORWARD rule the other way?`
`12:25.44`	`tez`	`-i ppp0 -o usb0 -j allow ?`
`12:29.16`	`tez`	`Oh, it's not allow, it's ACCEPT, of course.`
`12:29.34`	`Zxcvb`	`no effect`
`12:29.44`	`Zxcvb`	`iptables -A FORWARD -i usb0 -o ppp0 -j ACCEPT`
`12:29.45`	`Zxcvb`	`iptables -A FORWARD -i ppp0 -o usb0 -j ACCEPT`
`12:29.45`	`Zxcvb`	`iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE`
`12:29.49`	`Zxcvb`	`after the echo`
`12:29.51`	`kybu`	`c!last`
`12:29.53`	`kybu`	`ups`
`12:30.59`	`Zxcvb`	`what am i doing wrong?`
`12:31.22`	`tez`	`Hmm. That's a stumper. The gateway box has no connection problems itself, presumably.`
`12:31.29`	`Zxcvb`	`no`
`12:31.34`	`Zxcvb`	`connecting through USB`
`12:31.48`	`tez`	`Have you told the zaurus the correct default route?`
`12:33.31`	`ZzzTiger`	`anyone successfully using some sms applikation via irda? if so. which?`
`12:37.54`	`Zxcvb`	`now i can't even ping the Z`
`12:39.18`	`tez`	`lol. Hmm, mysterious.`
`12:39.58`	`Zxcvb`	`rebootingh`
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`12:49.31`	`Zxcvb`	`got it working`
`12:49.46`	`Zxcvb`	`when using masq on my Z, no one can access the ftp on port 4242, right?`
`12:50.45`	`ZzzTiger`	`u have to load a masq module for ftp, too`
`12:51.12`	`Zxcvb`	`but by default, can someone on the internet access the ftp server on port 4242?`
`12:51.23`	`ZzzTiger`	`or sumhow the active/passive thingy is a little hrad to figure out...seems to hang at the LIST command with one of the options,...`
`12:51.39`	`Zxcvb`	`ZzzTiger: no, the ftp server on the Z`
`12:51.51`	`ZzzTiger`	`Zxcvb should if u allowed the ip in the security settings`
`12:51.52`	`Zxcvb`	`ZzzTiger: i have zaurus --> laptop --> internet`
`12:51.54`	`Zxcvb`	`ZzzTiger: the laptop is the gateway`
`12:52.06`	`tez`	`Zxcvb: Unless you explicitly port-forward, someone on the otherside of your gateway wouldn't be able to get to your Zaurus' ftp serer.`
`12:52.22`	`Zxcvb`	`tez: even with iptables?`
`12:52.27`	`Zxcvb`	`tez: if so, that's great`
`12:54.28`	`tez`	`iptables won't make your Zaurus visible by default to the outside world.`
`12:54.51`	`Zxcvb`	`tez: nice`
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`13:27.22`	`Com[Plex]`	`you could allways shut off the ftp server service`
`13:29.04`	`Com[Plex]`	`I connect mine directly to the internet. - static Ip address too. heh - probably not the safest thign to do, but I havent had anything on there that needed to eb saved or protected. - in fact, I usually invite people into the z to have a look around.`
`13:29.32`	`Zxcvb`	`isn't the ftp server only accessable through USB?`
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`13:30.11`	`Com[Plex]`	`Im allways setting up vnc for people to get a demo of the zaurus. - in fact, Ill bet Ive convered almost a dozen people to zaurus who were thinking about getting something else.`
`13:30.32`	`Zxcvb`	`i hope strongarm CPUs can't be overclocked in software`
`13:30.39`	`Zxcvb`	`or someone will set your Z to run at 2GHz`
`13:30.53`	`Com[Plex]`	`uh.. in the latest sharp roms, yes, its only accessable through usb. but previous versions let you connect, sync, etc over wifi or nic.`
`13:31.04`	`Com[Plex]`	`lol`
`13:31.34`	`George-`	`why the fuck did they do that?`
`13:31.49`	`Zxcvb`	`George-: so people don't rm -rf / your Z`
`13:32.07`	`Com[Plex]`	`http://wwwapps.ups.com/WebTracking/processInputRequest?HTMLVersion=5.0&sort_by=status&tracknums_displayed=5&TypeOfInquiryNumber=T&loc=en_US&InquiryNumber1=1z5ar2051200035075&InquiryNumber2=&InquiryNumber3=&InquiryNumber4=&InquiryNumber5=&AgreeToTermsAndConditions=yes&track.x=23&track.y=15`
`13:32.18`	`George-`	`how fucked up can you get`
`13:32.21`	`Com[Plex]`	`my zaurus is still listed as "in transit"`
`13:32.24`	`Zxcvb`	`George-: though implementing a password would have been better`
`13:32.25`	`George-`	`just put a frickin' passwd there`
`13:32.36`	`Com[Plex]`	`George-: there wasnt a passwrd`
`13:32.38`	`Zxcvb`	`George-: can't do without rewriting qtopia desktop and the ftp server`
`13:32.58`	`Com[Plex]`	`Im still annoyed that vnc dosnt have a password tho`
`13:33.09`	`George-`	`wtf?!?!!?!?`
`13:33.44`	`Com[Plex]`	`george: the original sharp roms were just beta`
`13:34.23`	`Com[Plex]`	`they never suspetd that the hand held needed to eb "secure" - when it became obvious, they built an updated rom. much more "secure"`
`13:34.49`	`Zxcvb`	`but they didn't think of a password to control syncing?`
`13:34.51`	`Zxcvb`	`i should patent that`
`13:35.17`	`Com[Plex]`	`heh. doesnt that go against the whole gpl idea ?`
`13:35.42`	`Zxcvb`	`not if the patent is licensed as free for use on all Free Software`
`13:39.25`	`George-`	`who was it that had his Z lost by UPS?`
`13:40.44`	`Com[Plex]`	`me`
`13:40.55`	`Com[Plex]`	`I found it tho. but UPS doesnt know it yet`
`13:42.02`	`George-`	`?`
`13:42.11`	`Com[Plex]`	`sharp has it. I called them yesterday, and they had it, had even worked on it that aternoon. - backordered parts tho :< - UPS delivered it monday without tracking it.`
`13:42.38`	`Com[Plex]`	`so the reason they coudlnt find it when I called them over and over again was because they didnt have it anymore.`
`13:42.40`	`George-`	`what's wrong with your Z?`
`13:43.47`	`Com[Plex]`	`well. initially I thought it just needed to be reflashed. I stuf a cf card in there to put the sharp rom on it for testing, and the damned thing crapped out. - after a ten mnute flash, I tested the cf card in mywriter, and it said it was unformatted.`
`13:44.01`	`Com[Plex]`	`- Id been using the same cf card since january last year`
`13:44.35`	`Com[Plex]`	`anwyay, the zaurus went dead. - but when I talked to sharp yesterday,they said they were replacing a board in it..`
`13:45.18`	`Com[Plex]`	`I wish I lived in naperville illinois,. I would dumpster dive that place every day`
`13:45.20`	`George-`	`ok`
`13:45.31`	`Com[Plex]`	`lol`
`13:46.04`	`Com[Plex]`	`I should have kept my battery and screen protector tho. - I got bad luck with things like that. - my extras tend toget "lost"`
`13:46.26`	`Com[Plex]`	`just like my packages from ups`
`13:46.33`	`George-`	`lol`
`13:46.40`	`Com[Plex]`	`man, I dont wanna go to work today`
`13:46.58`	`Com[Plex]`	`sigh. I can be such a sissy.- I ot the easiest job in the world.`
`13:47.10`	`George-`	`which is?`
`13:47.33`	`Com[Plex]`	`I teach alternative ed computer literacy. high school level.`
`13:47.51`	`Com[Plex]`	`dropout recovery program, with the vocational center and stuff.`
`13:47.52`	`George-`	`arggh!!! teacher!!!`
`13:48.03`	`Com[Plex]`	`I get all the bad kids.`
`13:48.13`	`Com[Plex]`	`they love me tho, because I was a bad kid too :>`
`13:48.58`	`Com[Plex]`	`these kisd teach themselves, - I just keep em occupied. all they need is someone to stick up for them, and to teach em a little self respect. - Im good at that.`
`13:49.08`	`George-`	`lol`
`13:49.14`	`George-`	`you're..a..teacher...`
`13:49.18`	`George-`	`EVIL`
`13:49.19`	`George-`	`;)`
`13:51.52`	`Com[Plex]`	`why do you say that?`
`13:52.10`	`Com[Plex]`	`your problem is that the teachers you have had in the past didnt like there jobs.`
`13:52.27`	`Com[Plex]`	`I DO like my job, and I feel like IM doing somehting good forthe world.`
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`13:53.11`	`Com[Plex]`	`most teachers nowdays are sick of it, but they wont quit because thats all they know how to do, and its secure. - but they take it out on there kids.`
`13:53.39`	`Com[Plex]`	`as soon as I start acting like that, Ill quit. - I can do all kinds of other things.`
`13:54.22`	`Com[Plex]`	`ahh well. time for me to go. cya later`
`13:54.34`	`George-`	`Com[Plex]: I'm still at school :)`
`13:54.43`	`George-`	`Com[Plex]: And I've just received my school report...`
`13:54.46`	`George-`	`=P`
`13:55.13`	`George-`	`some people bitch about the most annoying things`
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`14:14.02`	`benmeyer`	`Morning`
`14:14.34`	`Johnmcl7`	`Afternoon ;)`
`14:15.03`	`benmeyer`	`hmm /. doesn't seem to be working`
`14:15.16`	`George-`	`benmeyer: it's prolly been /.'d`
`14:16.23`	`Cloudchaser`	`'mornin`
`14:16.36`	`Cloudchaser`	`hey benmeyer..did you find a good place to get tickypip levels?`
`14:16.45`	`benmeyer`	`google`
`14:16.46`	`benmeyer`	`:-D`
`14:16.50`	`Cloudchaser`	`i did`
`14:16.55`	`Cloudchaser`	`lot of bad links and the like`
`14:17.05`	`Cloudchaser`	`found one place, downloaded netwalk demo`
`14:17.05`	`benmeyer`	`yah`
`14:17.18`	`Cloudchaser`	`unzipped it and took the levels .. so i have 33 at the moment`
`14:17.20`	`benmeyer`	`but I eneded up with 2 packs each with 20 or so levels`
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`14:17.46`	`Cloudchaser`	`i think the other way is to buy netwalk and get free levels from there`
`14:18.05`	`Cloudchaser`	`i might look into that`
`14:18.59`	`Cloudchaser`	`its 10.00 for the game, and it looks like the extra levels are free`
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`14:51.49`	`chouimat`	`morning`
`14:52.28`	`chouimat`	`benmeyer: the zip works`
`14:58.30`	`mark`	`hi Cloudchaser, chouimat`
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`15:20.05`	`warmi`	`hi`
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`15:21.44`	`Tha-Saint`	`hi`
`15:22.29`	`Tha-Saint`	`nobody here ?`
`15:22.32`	`Tha-Saint`	`:)`
`15:24.28`	`Tha-Saint`	`someoneeith a german sl5500g here and openzaurusinstalled ?`
`15:39.51`	`ZzzTiger`	`yes`
`15:40.37`	`Tha-Saint`	`ZzzTiger: can i query you ?`
`15:40.47`	`ZzzTiger`	`sure`
`15:48.07`	`ZzzTiger`	`zauruszone.com/feed`
`15:52.10`	`cor`	`ZzzTiger: what's at that address? aren't ppl suppose to pay for those software packages?`
`15:53.19`	`ZzzTiger`	`?`
`15:53.31`	`ZzzTiger`	`no`
`15:53.35`	`ZzzTiger`	`they are not`
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`15:53.49`	`ZzzTiger`	`theres a lot of freewar in there`
`15:53.52`	`ZzzTiger`	`+e`
`15:53.54`	`Piete`	`hey all`
`15:54.19`	`ZzzTiger`	`hi Piete`
`15:54.21`	`cor`	`ZzzTiger: oh, i thought i seen some packages that were for sale elsewhere, maybe not`
`15:54.46`	`ZzzTiger`	`cor: which e.g. ?`
`15:56.28`	`cor`	`BDicty?`
`15:56.51`	`ZzzTiger`	`is on sale?`
`15:57.07`	`ZzzTiger`	`maybe sumething like graphit! (lite and full...)`
`15:58.27`	`cor`	`no emacs :(`
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`16:08.49`	`sebd`	`hello`
`16:09.54`	`sebd`	`last week I talked here with someone who could not get his zaurus talk with his linux box - I can't remember his nickname. Are you here ?`
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`16:15.14`	`benmeyer`	`hi sebd`
`16:15.23`	`benmeyer`	`yah I got it working with my linux box`
`16:15.26`	`benmeyer`	`what distro?`
`16:15.52`	`sebd`	`benmeyer: hi - i am with mandrake 9.0`
`16:16.13`	`benmeyer`	`http://us.mandrakesoft.com/zaurus/zaurus.html`
`16:16.23`	`benmeyer`	`there is a good howto`
`16:16.26`	`benmeyer`	`for mandrake 9`
`16:16.29`	`sebd`	`excellent :)`
`16:16.31`	`sebd`	`thanks`
`16:17.02`	`benmeyer`	`brb`
`16:24.28`	`Piete`	`nite`
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`16:27.38`	`darius`	`does anyone move and link their bin directories to CF or SD?`
`16:28.26`	`Com[Plex]`	`I have a bin dir on my sd card. but I didnt Move it there. - I dont know why anyone would want to with Oz.`
`16:29.04`	`darius`	`I'm not using Oz... but I want to make my PDA as restorable as possible if it crashes and I lose the RAM contents`
`16:31.53`	`darius`	`I'm thinking of moving/linking the root home directory too .. is that sane to do?`
`16:34.03`	`GlaD`	`bye`
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`16:44.33`	`kergoth`	`yo`
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`17:03.50`	`mark`	`ibot seen george-`
`17:03.50`		`george- <~Test@m168-mp1.cvx2-b.bre.dial.ntli.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #zaurus, 2h 48m 34s ago, saying: 'benmeyer: it's prolly been /.'d'.`
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`17:34.07`	`kergoth`	`hey JasonNJ`
`17:34.31`	`JasonNJ`	`blah.`
`17:34.50`	`JasonNJ`	`this dynamism thing is one big headache`
`17:35.00`	`kergoth`	`how so?`
`17:35.38`	`JasonNJ`	`because I cant support the SL-C700 in the us`
`17:35.57`	`JasonNJ`	`the problem is that end users perceive sharp as one big entity, not two separate companies`
`17:35.59`	`kergoth`	`they'll have to do their own support .. course it reflects on Sharp`
`17:36.03`	`JasonNJ`	`sharp japan and sharp US`
`17:36.04`	`kergoth`	`yeah, exactly`
`17:37.10`	`numatrix`	`JasonNJ: they're pretty explicit that the language change and support is all in their shop, isn't it?`
`17:37.51`	`JasonNJ`	`yeah, but it reflects badly on us if anything goes wrong.`
`17:38.57`	`chouimat`	`JasonNJ: peoples are assholes. and that will be worst in the future ... come on they don't know how to read`
`17:47.43`	`mark`	`JasonNJ: u'll just have to release it in the US officially then ;)`
`17:48.10`	`JasonNJ`	`mark: easier said than done.`
`17:48.23`	`JasonNJ`	`the C700 has a battery life of about 20 minutes.`
`17:48.38`	`mark`	`heh, yeah. that sucks`
`17:48.50`	`JasonNJ`	`thats the main reason why we didnt accept it in the US`
`17:49.00`	`JasonNJ`	`in Japan, they use PDA's hooked up to AC power`
`17:49.02`	`JasonNJ`	`they are used to that`
`17:49.14`	`JasonNJ`	`as sorta desktop electronic rolodexes.`
`17:50.06`	`mark`	`why the awful battery life? is it that screen?`
`17:53.12`	`JasonNJ`	`the C700 has a 1000ma battery`
`17:53.28`	`JasonNJ`	`thats about the same size as a SL-5500 battery`
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`17:53.40`	`JasonNJ`	`the CG screen draws a lot of power`
`17:54.13`	`ZzzTiger`	`JasonNJ: what about the battery size of the 5600 - wh didnt they use that - its supposed to have 1750 mAh or so!?`
`17:54.52`	`mark`	`its bigger`
`17:55.09`	`ZzzTiger`	`than the 5500's ?`
`17:55.51`	`ZzzTiger`	`didnt look like it actualy....`
`17:55.56`	`ZzzTiger`	`+l`
`17:56.41`	`mark`	`doesn't it stick out of the back?`
`17:56.48`	`mark`	`or somethign?`
`17:56.56`	`tez`	`I've heard it will bulge slightly.`
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`17:57.04`	`ZzzTiger`	`hmmm`
`17:57.38`	`tez`	`I'm hoping I can get the new battery and appropriate battery cover for the 5500...`
`17:57.54`	`ZzzTiger`	`someone posted a link to pictures of the 5600... on one of them i could read the battery ID number.. EA...blah... couldnt find it at elctronic stores though`
`17:58.28`	`ZzzTiger`	`i dont think that sharp invented a whole new battery stadard... so we just have to find the electronic device where this battery is already being used................`
`17:58.47`	`tez`	`Yes, that seems reasonable.`
`17:59.21`	`tez`	`Anyway, Sharp supply replacement 5500 batteries, so I assume they will for the 5600 when it comes out. I hope.`
`17:59.34`	`ZzzTiger`	`yes they should`
`17:59.44`	`mark`	`i just purchased another battery for my 5000`
`17:59.44`	`ZzzTiger`	`but prolly way too expensive... dont u think?`
`17:59.55`	`tez`	`Hmm. Don't know...`
`18:00.58`	`tez`	`I'm going to have to wait and see, I guess.`
`18:01.33`	`tez`	`How come?`
`18:01.40`	`ZzzTiger`	`europe`
`18:01.47`	`tez`	`I'll be in the UK.`
`18:02.00`	`ZzzTiger`	`ok... maybe same $hit over there...`
`18:02.10`	`tez`	`Yeah, most probably!`
`18:02.19`	`mark`	`tez: heh, we dont know if the new Z is gonna be sold here`
`18:02.33`	`ZzzTiger`	`when its supposed to hit the us in january... its gonna hit our stores in march or so.. if at all`
`18:02.38`	`tez`	`But when the 5600 does come out, I think the battery model number will be easy to find.`
`18:02.53`	`ZzzTiger`	`tez: i alread had the battery modell number!!!`
`18:03.05`	`ZzzTiger`	`just have to find the pictures again... on the net`
`18:03.08`	`mark`	`ZzzTiger: i'm gonna phone sharp and try and find out`
`18:03.17`	`ZzzTiger`	`jo mark!`
`18:03.20`	`tez`	`ZzzTiger: Oh, I thoght you said you only got a little part of it.`
`18:03.41`	`ZzzTiger`	`whats the model number of the current battery?`
`18:03.49`	`tez`	`mark: I think grey market importers will bring it into the UK. Just very late, that's all.`
`18:03.52`	`ZzzTiger`	`i kinda remember numbers...`
`18:04.36`	`tez`	`EA-BL06`
`18:04.43`	`ZzzTiger`	`ok`
`18:04.50`	`ZzzTiger`	`then the new one is EA-BL08`
`18:05.17`	`tez`	`Nice one!`
`18:05.33`	`tez`	`(time for froogle)`
`18:06.02`	`tez`	`Damn, no such luck.`
`18:06.43`	`ZzzTiger`	`only thing u find are the specs for the 5600 or sl-b500 how it is called in japan...`
`18:07.19`	`tez`	`Yeah, I just tried a search. Anyway, if what I heard about the new battery beig physically larger, I would need to get a new battery cover too.`
`18:07.44`	`ZzzTiger`	`well i dont know about physically larger...`
`18:08.14`	`ZzzTiger`	`dont think that they would sell a single battery cover, too...`
`18:08.24`	`ZzzTiger`	`or do they for the 5500 ?`
`18:08.33`	`tez`	`I have no idea.`
`18:08.52`	`tez`	`I suppose I'd have to email/phone and find out if they could send one or something.`
`18:09.06`	`ZzzTiger`	`yes... just try to be stupid :)`
`18:09.13`	`ZzzTiger`	`to sound stupid`
`18:09.14`	`ZzzTiger`	`:)`
`18:09.21`	`tez`	`Exactly.`
`18:09.33`	`tez`	`"I keep it off to keep it running cool"`
`18:09.36`	`tez`	`or something.`
`18:09.50`	`ZzzTiger`	`EA-BL08 might be sharps internal ID'S ... i bet the same batters is ubeing used it multiple other devices... just under different names`
`18:10.25`	`ZzzTiger`	`"oh, so then we better dont send u a new one, because u wont be able to let u'r Z stay cool anymore"`
`18:10.38`	`tez`	`Ah, I really am stupid.`
`18:10.40`	`ZzzTiger`	`no... u'r dog ate it or sumfin`
`18:10.51`	`ZzzTiger`	`or your cute little sister`
`18:11.27`	`ZzzTiger`	`or so.. sumfin humanly interesting for the call center employee....`
`18:11.37`	`ZzzTiger`	`humnaly... does this word exist at all?`
`18:11.39`	`ZzzTiger`	`:)`
`18:12.28`	`ZzzTiger`	`shaps internal ID's all seem to start with 'EA' ... the AC adapter is called EA-72 ... grrrrrr`
`18:13.17`	`tez`	`I starting to lose hope with this idea that other manufacturers make the same battery under a different name.`
`18:13.37`	`__darius_`	`If I linked /home to my SD card .. would that be bad? Are there a lot of various write operations that would burn up my memory card?`
`18:13.44`	`tez`	`Google's not revealing any sites that sell alteratives to sharp's battery.`
`18:14.04`	`ZzzTiger`	`tez: because of the diffrent name!`
`18:14.35`	`ZzzTiger`	`tez: dont think that they had the money to develop and get permissions for a wholne new kind of battery`
`18:14.43`	`tez`	`ZzzTiger: Yeah, but I'd imagine some site would at least mention "compatible with the EA-BL06"`
`18:14.50`	`ZzzTiger`	`hmm`
`18:14.54`	`ZzzTiger`	`right`
`18:15.05`	`ZzzTiger`	`the Z is not that 'famous' though`
`18:15.19`	`ZzzTiger`	`seems to be more of an insinder thingy :)`
`18:22.53`	`Cloudchaser`	`hello. does anyone know if zaurus general moved?`
`18:29.07`	`benmeyer`	`it will if it hasn't`
`18:29.18`	`Cloudchaser`	`i thought maybe that was the case`
`18:29.31`	`Cloudchaser`	`i was getting to the list from news.le.org`
`18:29.35`	`Cloudchaser`	`but..no more`
`18:29.43`	`Cloudchaser`	`so i thought maybe it was moving`
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`18:43.21`	`Neo\|Work`	`kergoth: hows that gcc 3.2 toolset/sdk coming along?`
`18:44.53`	`kergoth`	`Neo\|Work: havent had a chance to mess with it`
`18:45.02`	`kergoth`	`Neo\|Work: working on 2.4.19`
`18:45.15`	`kergoth`	`Neo\|Work: boots, and mtd works, and the LCD turns on and i see a perty penguin`
`18:45.30`	`kergoth`	`;)`
`18:46.09`	`Neo\|Work`	`good good. :P`
`18:46.20`	`Neo\|Work`	`even though I still need to get a new CF righ`
`18:46.27`	`Neo\|Work`	`I don't know how I can keep from losing stuff`
`18:46.32`	`benmeyer`	`haha`
`18:46.37`	`benmeyer`	`There was a Tekken movie`
`18:46.39`	`benmeyer`	`http://animeworld.com/reviews/tekken.html`
`18:47.01`	`benmeyer`	`as for how that came up for when I search for Sharp Motion Art I am not sure`
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`18:53.30`	`Cloudchaser`	`hello Neo\|Work: i finally got IF last night :)...still haven't gotten past the first level but i'm having fun with it`
`18:53.39`	`Cloudchaser`	`thank you :)`
`18:54.17`	`Neo\|Work`	`Cloudchaser: I saw that. Thank you. :)`
`18:54.49`	`Cloudchaser`	`hehe i'd have done it sooner if i was employed...but going on long car trip tomorrow so i wanted something to play along the way`
`18:55.37`	`Neo\|Work`	`I am employed and I still understand.`
`18:56.03`	`Cloudchaser`	`its tough sometimes`
`19:00.18`	`ljp_work`	`meow`
`19:00.59`	`Neo\|Work`	`talking about cats`
`19:01.40`	`Neo\|Work`	`a week or so ago, my mother-in-law was leaving (she had stayed the night to take care of the kids because we had a christmas party to attend)`
`19:02.01`	`Neo\|Work`	`and when she got into her car and turned it on a tiny kitten ran out straight to my wife and jumped into her arms`
`19:02.11`	`Neo\|Work`	`cutest thing I've seen in a long time`
`19:02.26`	`Neo\|Work`	`we had it throughout the day but (unfortunately? :-) found the owner, a neighbour, in the evening`
`19:02.33`	`Cloudchaser`	`aww`
`19:02.44`	`Cloudchaser`	`glad it didn't get hurt in the fan!`
`19:02.46`	`Neo\|Work`	`they don't deserve to have pets - it had run out and they didn't even know (it was way too little to be outside on the street by itself)`
`19:03.00`	`Cloudchaser`	`poor little thing`
`19:03.02`	`Neo\|Work`	`it was under the car, not in it..`
`19:03.10`	`Neo\|Work`	`it had been out all night and was absolutely starving`
`19:03.24`	`Cloudchaser`	`poor baby :( my kitty stays in the house and gets fat`
`19:03.42`	`kergoth`	`mine too. he needs more exercise`
`19:03.48`	`kergoth`	`i try to play with him, but he gets bored easy`
`19:03.55`	`Cloudchaser`	`hehe`
`19:03.59`	`Cloudchaser`	`my kitty still plays`
`19:04.04`	`kergoth`	`i throw a ball across the room.. he chases it.. but hwen it stops moving, he'll stop chasing it dead in his tracks`
`19:04.08`	`kergoth`	`wont even bother catching up to it`
`19:04.12`	`Cloudchaser`	`hehe`
`19:04.13`	`kergoth`	`he's like, ahhh fuck it`
`19:04.16`	`benmeyer`	`haha, I think it is the destiny of all cats to stay indoors and get fat`
`19:04.17`	`kergoth`	`its amusing`
`19:04.24`	`Cloudchaser`	`i use a laser pointer and my kitty chases that`
`19:04.32`	`kergoth`	`Cloudchaser: i should pick up one of those`
`19:04.39`	`kergoth`	`i need like a motorized mouse`
`19:04.41`	`benmeyer`	`combine it with catnip`
`19:04.43`	`kergoth`	`that moves when it picks up motion`
`19:04.43`	`Cloudchaser`	`hehe`
`19:04.44`	`kergoth`	`or something`
`19:05.07`	`Cloudchaser`	`i have an animated santa sitting at a computer holding a mouse`
`19:05.20`	`Cloudchaser`	`caught my kitty batting at the mouse today :)`
`19:05.31`	`benmeyer`	`or even better yet buy a catnip bush and grow it from a plant hanging from the celine. Months of entertainment (asuming that the celien is high enough) right there`
`19:05.34`	`Neo\|Work`	`all our cats end up rather chubby`
`19:05.55`	`Cloudchaser`	`you'd be hiding that catnip after a couple days ;)`
`19:06.03`	`Neo\|Work`	`kergoth: if you have hard floors get a mini-rc car`
`19:06.05`	`Cloudchaser`	`if there was anything left of it`
`19:06.05`	`Neo\|Work`	`works wonders`
`19:06.52`	`Neo\|Work`	`I'd love having a room which had fuzzy walls, walkways and stuff`
`19:07.57`	`benmeyer`	`hell 24 of them: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3100553446`
`19:07.58`	`benmeyer`	`haha`
`19:08.13`	`Neo\|Work`	`like one big cat toy`
`19:08.14`	`benmeyer`	`Neo\|Work: jsut have a kid`
`19:09.10`	`Neo\|Work`	`benmeyer: that's quite a good deal if you're into reselling I guess. :P`
`19:09.15`	`Neo\|Work`	`and I have two kids`
`19:09.24`	`Neo\|Work`	`they climb but not on the walls yet`
`19:10.09`	`benmeyer`	`:-D`
`19:10.41`	`Neo\|Work`	`but man do they climb`
`19:11.01`	`kergoth`	`i remember climbing everything as a kid, always freaking out my mom`
`19:11.03`	`kergoth`	`that was fun`
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`19:11.14`	`kergoth`	`"Chris, get down from the roof, NOW!"`
`19:11.19`	`kergoth`	`"why?"`
`19:13.26`	`Neo\|Work`	`they aren't quite old enough for that yet, but they climb everything inside the house if we let them`
`19:13.29`	`benmeyer`	`http://freshmeat.net/projects/ziproxy/?topic_id=907`
`19:13.32`	`benmeyer`	`cool`
`19:13.35`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`19:13.37`	`kergoth`	`Neo\|Work: how old?`
`19:20.16`	`mark`	`hehe, i could never climb anything`
`19:22.13`	`Neo\|Work`	`kergoth: 19.5 months`
`19:22.33`	`kergoth`	`Neo\|Work: ah :) they wreaking havok yet?`
`19:23.29`	`Neo\|Work`	`++yes`
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`19:55.11`	`Neo\|Work`	`man, quiet today`
`19:55.44`	`Dilb`	`hi`
`19:55.45`	`djk`	`very`
`19:56.03`	`djk`	`I say some people are cramming for exams ;-)`
`19:58.46`	`djk`	`anybody seen the Zaurus case in a store. I know they have it available online but I would like to try it before buying it.`
`19:58.58`	`Neo\|Work`	`school. I seem to remember doing that a long time ago`
`19:59.29`	`Locutus4242`	`Any of you interested in a stackless Bluetooth solution for the Z?`
`19:59.35`	`djk`	`yes the end of the semester holiday pressure can't wait to get home`
`20:00.16`	`djk`	`no use for bluetooth not sure I ever will either`
`20:00.43`	`Locutus4242`	`djk: got 802.11?`
`20:00.49`	`djk`	`yes`
`20:01.04`	`djk`	`nice to walk around the house and yard`
`20:02.14`	`Neo\|Work`	`and I work dang it. :P`
`20:02.16`	`Locutus4242`	`I hear ya and like the 802.11 also. If using barcode scanner, DMM, etc though Bluetooth makes for a nice addition.`
`20:02.23`	`Neo\|Work`	`all these kids ahve more toys I have. that's WRONG! :)`
`20:02.40`	`djk`	`I didn't until a month ago got tease too much with the idea of wire free Z and laptop`
`20:03.26`	`djk`	`I agree but they aren't paying a mortage`
`20:04.11`	`Neo\|Work`	`right`
`20:04.15`	`Neo\|Work`	`or supporting a family etc`
`20:04.21`	`djk`	`yeap`
`20:04.48`	`djk`	`though it is good to have a job. too many friends looking for one`
`20:05.02`	`Neo\|Work`	`I never realized how nice it was to be a kid / teenager until I was past that '`
`20:05.13`	`Neo\|Work`	`now I regret wasting so much time. :P`
`20:05.24`	`Neo\|Work`	`djk: indeed`
`20:05.55`	`Neo\|Work`	`some time back I had the choice of being laid off with 2-3 months pay total (ro something along those lines) or take a position in the company that I really didn't want`
`20:06.01`	`djk`	`I knew at the time just couldn't figure out how to stop the clock ;-)`
`20:06.08`	`Neo\|Work`	`took it naturally since I couldn't have found a job most likely`
`20:06.27`	`Neo\|Work`	`well, such simple things as playing games for 24 hours in a row`
`20:06.32`	`djk`	`wise move you can alway look`
`20:06.42`	`Neo\|Work`	`right`
`20:07.29`	`djk`	`oh for the 90's and you could change jobs every week ;-) of I never did but at least I am still employeed`
`20:07.35`	`Neo\|Work`	`I was tempted though`
`20:07.42`	`kergoth`	`JasonNJ: ping`
`20:07.43`	`Neo\|Work`	`spending time with the kids and stuff would have been really nice`
`20:08.00`	`Neo\|Work`	`back then I worked from home`
`20:08.00`	`Neo\|Work`	`:P`
`20:08.08`	`Neo\|Work`	`and had no kids. heh`
`20:08.47`	`djk`	`kids are fun, drive you nuts and thrill you at the same time`
`20:10.22`	`Neo\|Work`	`almost 20 months old, and absolutely crazy. :P`
`20:10.24`	`Neo\|Work`	`times two`
`20:10.49`	`Neo\|Work`	`as they say, you never knew what pure and unconditional love is until you have kids. :)`
`20:11.06`	`djk`	`bummer`
`20:11.46`	`kergoth`	`ibot: message for JasonNJ: my account on zaurus.com doesnt seem to have forums access, can you fix that? thanks`
`20:11.50`	`djk`	`you just have the 20 mo old`
`20:12.45`	`Neo\|Work`	`twins`
`20:12.57`	`djk`	`oh the fun ahead of you`
`20:13.05`	`Neo\|Work`	`indeed`
`20:13.09`	`Neo\|Work`	`looking forward to that`
`20:13.16`	`Neo\|Work`	`I just want them to come out of the "eat everything'`
`20:13.18`	`Neo\|Work`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:13.20`	`ZzzTiger`	`anyone successfully using an icq clinet on his Z? if so, which one?`
`20:13.39`	`Neo\|Work`	`I hope that by summer we can play in the backyard, got to the beach etc w/o them eating bark, sand or other stuff`
`20:13.52`	`djk`	`I used ZIC at one for IRC`
`20:14.02`	`ZzzTiger`	`ICQ`
`20:14.11`	`Neo\|Work`	`djk: iCQ not iRC`
`20:14.12`	`Neo\|Work`	`:)`
`20:14.13`	`ZzzTiger`	`!= IRC`
`20:14.24`	`djk`	`sorry I am blind`
`20:14.35`	`ZzzTiger`	`got a braille display?`
`20:14.41`	`djk`	`there a couple of jabber clients`
`20:14.49`	`Neo\|Work`	`Evan likes to eat anything fuzzy/furry. he eats fuzz of his pj's, fur from stuffed toys, cat fur off the floow`
`20:14.53`	`ZzzTiger`	`jabber... supports icq?`
`20:15.05`	`Locutus4242`	`djk: btw, what 802.11 card do you use and how's the battery life?`
`20:15.10`	`Neo\|Work`	`and interestingly enough (this was very funny) fur directly from the source - pulling it off the cat`
`20:15.16`	`Neo\|Work`	`ZzzTiger: yes`
`20:15.24`	`ZzzTiger`	`Neo\|Work : lol`
`20:15.31`	`Neo\|Work`	`and we got that on tape too`
`20:15.32`	`djk`	`Ah now that you mention maybe not. I am hoping to see a GAIM client`
`20:15.38`	`Neo\|Work`	`cat got rather irritated at him. :P`
`20:15.48`	`ZzzTiger`	`Neo\|Work which one could u recommend at killefiz?`
`20:16.08`	`Neo\|Work`	`the gabber SERVER has agent support, one of them being icq (and AIM, MSN, Yahoo, IRC etc)`
`20:16.10`	`djk`	`I got the Ambicom works well has a low 17ma draw in idle state`
`20:16.11`	`Locutus4242`	`you guys heard that AOL got a patent on instant messaging?`
`20:16.38`	`djk`	`If you are using for a long time get a battery pack`
`20:16.43`	`Neo\|Work`	`ZzzTiger: for Jabber? try the free one first. :P`
`20:16.56`	`djk`	`when did they get the patent`
`20:17.01`	`Neo\|Work`	`I never personally use my Z for that since I don't have wireless and never use it networked unless I'm near a computer`
`20:17.20`	`Locutus4242`	`djl: I think it was just awarded. they filed in Jan 1997.`
`20:17.41`	`Neo\|Work`	`when did ICQ and all those come?`
`20:18.22`	`Locutus4242`	`Actually, I know of something that predates ICQ( Nov 1996 ) and could invalidate the AOL patent. ;)`
`20:18.28`	`Neo\|Work`	`mirabilis.com was Dec 1998 at least`
`20:18.42`	`Neo\|Work`	`I doubt it can be enforced`
`20:18.49`	`djk`	`I wonder what their patent states IRC could be considered IM`
`20:18.51`	`Neo\|Work`	`unless it's something specific unique to aim or whatever`
`20:19.03`	`Neo\|Work`	`not to mention things like unix 'talk'`
`20:19.40`	`Neo\|Work`	`n November 1996, only four months after the establishment of Mirabilis, the first version of the ICQ ("I Seek You") product was deployed over the Internet.`
`20:19.41`	`Locutus4242`	`they went after finding other users( registering with a name and getting an id(IP) ) plus some other stuff.`
`20:20.03`	`Neo\|Work`	`if the AOL patent is from 1998 and is broad enough or whatever, it will never hold up`
`20:20.09`	`djk`	`got be the 'AOL' only stuff that is protected. Anything at a concept level was in public domain long before`
`20:20.21`	`Neo\|Work`	`got any links for the patent?`
`20:20.59`	`Locutus4242`	`They filed in the US in Jan 1997`
`20:21.12`	`ZzzTiger`	`[Note:] You will need to install libexpat1_1.95.2-fam1_arm.ipk in the pda first! <-- where can i get that??`
`20:21.41`	`Locutus4242`	`hang on, I'll get a uspto.gov link to the patent....`
`20:24.13`	`Locutus4242`	`http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=6449344.WKU.&OS=PN/6449344&RS=PN/6449344`
`20:24.40`	`Locutus4242`	`here's the news.com article:`
`20:24.43`	`Locutus4242`	`http://news.com.com/2100-1023-978234.html`
`20:25.35`	`Neo\|Work`	`so it's actually ICQ that filed it or something`
`20:25.40`	`Neo\|Work`	`which might make more sense`
`20:25.43`	`Neo\|Work`	`ICQ was before AIM`
`20:25.50`	`Neo\|Work`	`and of course is today owned by AOL`
`20:26.55`	`Locutus4242`	`There is something that predates ICQ by a couple of months so it could be that the patend is void. Prior art in the public domain...`
`20:26.57`	`djk`	`Reads a bit broad and seems late in the game since there were several 'IM' program out years before in the public domain`
`20:27.27`	`Neo\|Work`	`now of course I wouldn't mind if they sued Microsoft or Yahoo so much`
`20:27.36`	`Neo\|Work`	`but if they fscked up Jabber I'd be pissed`
`20:27.43`	`djk`	`as stated before talk, IRC, old fashioned BBS Live Chat`
`20:27.51`	`Neo\|Work`	`right`
`20:28.10`	`Neo\|Work`	`The claim is it's a system where you have a network; you have a way to monitor who's on the network; and if you want to talk to them you hook them up," said Gregory Aharonian, publisher of Internet Patent News Service, a newsletter that's critical of technology patents. "If you're doing something like that, you're potentially infringing."`
`20:28.15`	`Neo\|Work`	`that describes IRC`
`20:28.18`	`Locutus4242`	`It reads to me like they think they invened using a server and an ID or naming system for finding a users IP address. Plus stuff about user data and notifications on connection.`
`20:28.35`	`ZzzTiger`	`qtjim needs some library.. i cant find it... where could i look? qpe-base (1.5.0) libexpat1_1.95.2-fam1_arm.ipk <- this one`
`20:28.50`	`kergoth`	`ZzzTiger: qpe-base you just -force-depends`
`20:28.53`	`kergoth`	`ZzzTiger: the package is flawed`
`20:28.54`	`Neo\|Work`	`ZzzTiger: part of familiar, on handhelds.org somewhere perhaps?`
`20:29.02`	`kergoth`	`ZzzTiger: expat you can get from ipkgfind.handhelds.org`
`20:29.04`	`Neo\|Work`	`kergoth: he needs expat`
`20:29.22`	`ZzzTiger`	`hmm`
`20:29.34`	`djk`	`I would rather they keep pounding spammers with suites. I liked hearing yesterdays win of $7M against a porn spammer`
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`20:34.21`	`JasonNJ`	`have you guys ever sat down in a public bathroom stall, and then get the chilling feeling youve gone into the ladies room?`
`20:34.37`	`Cloudchaser`	`lol`
`20:34.41`	`Cloudchaser`	`you didn't!`
`20:34.47`	`djk`	`no but I have a friend that did`
`20:34.52`	`JasonNJ`	`no, but it still freaks me out`
`20:34.55`	`kergoth`	`lol`
`20:35.01`	`JasonNJ`	`the light hit th paint a certain way`
`20:35.05`	`Locutus4242`	`did you see a cross dresser sit next to you?`
`20:35.06`	`JasonNJ`	`it didnt look right`
`20:35.14`	`djk`	`of course that friend has lots of stories he can tell on himself`
`20:35.25`	`kergoth`	`JasonNJ: get my botmail message?`
`20:35.27`	`JasonNJ`	`well, I kept looking underneath the door gap to see what their shoes look like`
`20:35.32`	`JasonNJ`	`botmail?`
`20:35.39`	`JasonNJ`	`which bot`
`20:35.59`	`kergoth`	`JasonNJ: ibot. stupid thing, you have to cycle to get notified`
`20:36.07`	`kergoth`	`JasonNJ: my account on zaurus.com doesnt have forums access`
`20:36.15`	`JasonNJ`	`huh?`
`20:36.19`	`JasonNJ`	`whats your userid`
`20:36.23`	`kergoth`	`JasonNJ: i cant login to forums, says the pass is wrong`
`20:36.26`	`kergoth`	`JasonNJ: i can login to the main site`
`20:36.28`	`JasonNJ`	`kergoth`
`20:36.35`	`JasonNJ`	`ok gimme a password let me fix it`
`20:36.50`	`JasonNJ`	`gimme the same one on the sourceforge`
`20:37.00`	`kergoth`	`hold, let me remember which it was`
`20:38.23`	`kergoth`	`oh, i cant login to the root dev site either, just sf`
`20:38.29`	`kergoth`	`alright let me check the pass`
`20:44.11`	`djk`	`JasonNJ: you seen the Zaurus case in any stores yet? Could you ask your Sharp buddies if it is?`
`20:45.11`	`Cloudchaser`	`JasonNJ: is the zaurus general list in the process of moving?`
`20:45.15`	`JasonNJ`	`kergoth: you gonna upload OZ to the sourceforge site?`
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`20:45.25`	`JasonNJ`	`Cloud: yeah, but we havent done it yet`
`20:45.40`	`JasonNJ`	`we gotta get all the mailinglist functionality working`
`20:45.49`	`Cloudchaser`	`ok..thought maybe it was..couldn't get to it via news.le.org as i usually do`
`20:45.54`	`kergoth`	`JasonNJ: not sure, it doesnt match proper structure in order to add it to our download page as a mirror on the site`
`20:46.27`	`Cloudchaser`	`JasonNJ: would there be any possible way to...allow more than 8 letters for a login on the new boards?`
`20:46.45`	`Cloudchaser`	`and also allow an option for non-dev folks?`
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`20:52.17`	`djk`	`JasonNJ: I guess you have no comment on the case :-(`
`20:56.36`	`Cloudchaser`	`that golf scorz program looks nice for golferes`
`20:56.39`	`Cloudchaser`	`golfers`
`20:56.49`	`Neo\|Work`	`Cloudchaser: you don't need to sign up as a developer afaik`
`20:56.56`	`Cloudchaser`	`i did have to neo`
`20:57.15`	`Cloudchaser`	`i went to register and it only have dev, then 3 pages of questionaire`
`20:57.19`	`Cloudchaser`	`that i had to lie on`
`20:57.23`	`Cloudchaser`	`:)`
`20:57.32`	`Cloudchaser`	`and..my name was toooo long :)`
`20:57.36`	`Neo\|Work`	`you just ignore those pages`
`20:57.40`	`Neo\|Work`	`that's the part that isn't clear`
`20:57.43`	`Cloudchaser`	`ah`
`20:57.51`	`Cloudchaser`	`i didn't know i could.. had a pile of required fields`
`20:57.51`	`Neo\|Work`	`i.e once you get to those three pages, you're already signed up for the forums etc`
`20:57.55`	`Neo\|Work`	`just not the sourceforge page`
`20:57.56`	`Neo\|Work`	`right`
`20:58.07`	`Neo\|Work`	`it's very unclear - I complained about that already. :P`
`20:58.35`	`Cloudchaser`	`ah well i'm signed up for everything now i guess`
`20:59.04`	`Cloudchaser`	`but if anyone actually reads that stuff they'll know its all garbage ;)`
`20:59.39`	`Neo\|Work`	`much/most of it doesn't apply to open source developers either`
`20:59.46`	`Neo\|Work`	`very enterprise-geared`
`21:02.26`	`benmeyer`	`yup`
`21:02.31`	`benmeyer`	`sorry`
`21:02.45`	`benmeyer`	`that is the "target"`
`21:04.43`	`benmeyer`	`He accidentally got involved with drivers for flash devices during a vacation placement at Nortel, and since playing with embedded Linux seems to mean that lots of people send him cute toys to play with, he hasn't given it up yet.`
`21:04.45`	`benmeyer`	`haha`
`21:05.07`	`benmeyer`	`speaking about David Woodhouse`
`21:05.15`	`kergoth`	`lol`
`21:05.16`	`kergoth`	`thats great`
`21:05.26`	`benmeyer`	`David now works for Red Hat in Cambridge, England, where as an added bonus they actually pay him a salary as well as providing toys.`
`21:06.34`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`21:07.02`	`kergoth`	`david's a cool guy`
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`21:27.15`	`benmeyer`	`What would be good to have in an application cirtification program?`
`21:27.23`	`benmeyer`	`run valengrind on it`
`21:27.29`	`benmeyer`	`check install uninstall`
`21:27.41`	`benmeyer`	`what else?`
`21:27.52`	`kergoth`	`s/valen/val/;`
`21:27.54`	`kergoth`	`:)`
`21:28.03`	`chouimat`	`benmeyer: you will do an arm valgrind in the xmas holiday? thanks man`
`21:28.14`	`chouimat`	`:)`
`21:28.16`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`21:28.26`	`benmeyer`	`na, just recompile for x86 and test there`
`21:28.40`	`chouimat`	`benmeyer: and he must run on the x86 :)`
`21:28.45`	`chouimat`	`s/he/it`
`21:28.46`	`benmeyer`	`yup`
`21:29.12`	`chouimat`	`benmeyer: I was thinking about cachegrind`
`21:29.44`	`JasonNJ`	`how the hell do you read botmail`
`21:30.06`	`kergoth`	`JasonNJ: /msg ibot botmail check`
`21:30.10`	`kergoth`	`JasonNJ: /msg ibot botmail read`
`21:30.16`	`kergoth`	`JasonNJ: (repeat read command)`
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`21:32.01`	`rw2`	`anyone know if the source for qtopia desktop is available?`
`21:32.10`	`benmeyer`	`nopoe`
`21:32.15`	`benmeyer`	`it is not, never will be`
`21:32.27`	`benmeyer`	`TrollTech though they could make money with it`
`21:32.30`	`rw2`	`benmeyer: bummer.`
`21:32.45`	`benmeyer`	`yup`
`21:33.04`	`rw2`	`benmeyer: any alternatives?`
`21:33.16`	`benmeyer`	`nope`
`21:33.33`	`Johnmcl7`	`:O`
`21:33.43`	`rw2`	`benmeyer: BTW, I see you on the mail list a lot. Thanks for your help on a number of issues in the past.`
`21:33.56`	`benmeyer`	`sure thing`
`21:33.59`	`benmeyer`	`I get paid to do it`
`21:34.00`	`benmeyer`	`:-D`
`21:34.06`	`rw2`	`benmeyer: oh, never mind then... ;-)`
`21:34.07`	`benmeyer`	`meyerb@sharpsec.com`
`21:34.10`	`benmeyer`	`haha`
`21:34.15`	`benmeyer`	`no I enjoy working on linux`
`21:34.24`	`benmeyer`	`http://www.csh.rit.edu/~benjamin/`
`21:34.32`	`benmeyer`	`I have many open source applications`
`21:34.37`	`benmeyer`	`I am also the howtos guy`
`21:34.43`	`benmeyer`	`ibot howtos`
`21:34.44`		`howtos is, like, at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/`
`21:35.00`	`benmeyer`	`so I really try to do a lot for the community`
`21:35.01`	`Cloudchaser`	`benmeyer: that accuweather thing sounds kinda neat`
`21:35.03`	`rw2`	`benmeyer: Yeah, I'm with you. I get to hack petabyte scale data systems and gridware and pay my mortgage`
`21:36.05`	`rw2`	`benmeyer: Answer this then. My understanding is that the "sync" is nothing more than an ftp connection to the xml files and the smarts is PC side, right so far?`
`21:36.23`	`benmeyer`	`yup`
`21:36.29`	`benmeyer`	`a few dcop calls also`
`21:36.34`	`benmeyer`	`to stop the pim`
`21:36.42`	`kergoth`	`s/d/q/`
`21:36.46`	`benmeyer`	`port 4343`
`21:36.54`	`chouimat`	`benmeyer: do you use kitchensync?`
`21:37.07`	`rw2`	`dcop calls?`
`21:37.15`	`benmeyer`	`nope, I hit reset so often that sync isn't really any point to me`
`21:37.21`	`benmeyer`	`qcop, sorry`
`21:37.24`	`kergoth`	`benmeyer: i have the same prob`
`21:37.44`	`chouimat`	`kergoth: my palm is more uptodate than my z`
`21:37.45`	`benmeyer`	`sad thing is I have 5 z's so I should at least be able to save 1 of them hehe`
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`21:38.00`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`21:38.03`	`kergoth`	`hey twiun__`
`21:38.19`	`numatrix`	`Yay! Finally installed spamassasin. I don't know what I was waiting for. That was so nice...`
`21:38.20`	`Cloudchaser`	`twiun! you home from your vacation?`
`21:38.27`	`rw2`	`benmeyer: is this documented somewhere?`
`21:38.30`	`kergoth`	`numatrix: hehe`
`21:38.34`	`Cloudchaser`	`numatrix: i need to get that too!`
`21:38.44`	`benmeyer`	`rw2: the sync?`
`21:38.47`	`numatrix`	`Cloudchaser: it really is nice`
`21:38.48`	`chouimat`	`numatrix: work very well`
`21:38.53`	`rw2`	`benmeyer: Yup.`
`21:39.07`	`chouimat`	`numatrix: even flag my ex-wife email as spam`
`21:39.12`	`Cloudchaser`	`haha`
`21:39.18`	`benmeyer`	`sorry, not that I know. Check TrollTech's site for some more info and maybe they have it.`
`21:39.27`	`Cloudchaser`	`did anyone try that game sea strike yet?`
`21:39.33`	`numatrix`	`No, but it looks cute.`
`21:40.01`	`rw2`	`benmeyer Hmm. I don't even know what a qcop is...
`21:40.07`	`benmeyer`	`like dcop`
`21:40.14`	`benmeyer`	`but with not as many features`
`21:40.22`	`chouimat`	`rw2: remote app control`
`21:40.31`	`numatrix`	`benmeyer: I've got a link for 'em somewhere... one sec.`
`21:41.11`	`nostromo`	`numatrix: spamassassin is great. I installed it just two weeks ago (and my life has already changed) :-)`
`21:41.47`	`rw2`	`nostromo: yeah, it's sweet.`
`21:41.58`	`rw2`	`nostromo: http://wellner.org/email-scores.png`
`21:42.07`	`rw2`	`nostromo: it's changed my life as well!`
`21:42.23`	`nostromo`	`Just a couple of fake positives (list trash, in fact).`
`21:42.30`	`Cloudchaser`	`numatrix: i might get that game after christmas..i'd have liked a little demo though`
`21:42.48`	`benmeyer`	`rw2: what is that graph?`
`21:43.04`	`rw2`	`benmeyer: the scores of my email as filtered by spamassassin.`
`21:43.23`	`rw2`	`benmeyer: 5, 7, 10 are commonly used thresholds to label something as a spam.`
`21:43.31`	`benmeyer`	`ah`
`21:43.45`	`kergoth`	`nostromo: kernel panic dumps always get false tagged`
`21:43.54`	`kergoth`	`nostromo: had to tweak my settings abit`
`21:44.06`	`rw2`	`benmeyer: Since April spamassassin has blocked 44300 spams for me.`
`21:44.18`	`benmeyer`	`wow`
`21:44.18`	`numatrix`	`Cloudchaser: The sub game? Yeah, a demo would be nice.`
`21:44.37`	`benmeyer`	`took almost 4 years, but I am starting to get spam in my e-mail`
`21:44.54`	`benmeyer`	`Tried really hard to conceal it`
`21:44.59`	`rw2`	`benmeyer: And I'm not only the president of hair club for mean, I'm also a customer. (or something like that, I'm building spamassassin.net to offer filtering services)`
`21:45.07`	`benmeyer`	`hehe`
`21:45.18`	`numatrix`	`qcop info is here: http://zaurus.loveslinux.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=XForum&file=viewthread&tid=31#pid283`
`21:45.29`	`rw2`	`numatrix: Cool, thanks.`
`21:45.36`	`numatrix`	`rw2: no problem`
`21:46.08`	`benmeyer`	`ibot warmi`
`21:46.09`		`i heard warmi is here`
`21:46.13`	`benmeyer`	`bummer`
`21:46.15`	`nostromo`	`I have it running at 5. It blocking around 10 messages a day in my personal account, saving me...`
`21:46.18`	`rw2`	`numatrix: I see the sync calls are very complex. ;-)`
`21:46.24`	`benmeyer`	`haha`
`21:47.10`	`benmeyer`	`http://www.warmi.net/zaurus/blits.shtml`
`21:47.16`	`benmeyer`	`hey he did put up his blits`
`21:47.18`	`numatrix`	`heh. Nobody ever accused them of good syncing`
`21:47.37`	`benmeyer`	`nice!`
`21:48.09`	`numatrix`	`benmeyer: definitely; very cool. though you could have pulled them from the qtopiagnuboy source earlier, that is nice`
`21:48.38`	`benmeyer`	`nonless I didn't know he had put them up`
`21:48.55`	`numatrix`	`yeah, I didn't either; that's cool`
`21:49.06`	`numatrix`	`Out for the day, see y'all later.`
`21:49.11`	`benmeyer`	`it would be nice to get those into the qvfb or base QWidget class`
`21:49.28`	`numatrix\|away`	`benmeyer: you really can't since they're assembly...`
`21:49.37`	`benmeyer`	`so?`
`21:49.56`	`kergoth`	`benmeyer: you feel like writing it in x86 asm?`
`21:50.04`	`benmeyer`	`have an ifdef`
`21:50.09`	`numatrix\|away`	`Well, the libraries are supposed to be archetecture independant, it's not very convienant. You'd have to rewrite it for all the other architectures.`
`21:50.10`	`benmeyer`	`if arm`
`21:50.12`	`kergoth`	`benmeyer: it uses ARM specific instructions afaicr. multiple register load/storefor example`
`21:50.23`	`benmeyer`	`yah`
`21:50.31`	`benmeyer`	`so on the arm it would be really fast`
`21:50.38`	`benmeyer`	`what would be bad about that?`
`21:50.38`	`benmeyer`	`:-D`
`21:52.45`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`21:52.55`	`ZzzTiger`	`�:( igot hte jabber client to work, but it cant regsiter icq stuff, yet... is there any other icq client? what about micq? there only a bla.gz available.. how should i install it?`
`21:53.24`	`kergoth`	`ZzzTiger: the ability to connect to icq depnds on the jabber server, not the client ..`
`21:53.45`	`ZzzTiger`	`kergoth: u cant input a gateway in this client...`
`21:53.51`	`ZzzTiger`	`thats the thing`
`21:54.21`	`kergoth`	`ZzzTiger: ahh`
`21:54.25`	`ZzzTiger`	`what about this? http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=657`
`21:54.25`	`kergoth`	`ZzzTiger: that sucks.`
`21:54.31`	`JasonNJ`	`hmm. I like the new Nestle Crunch bar with Caramel.`
`21:54.44`	`benmeyer`	`me goes home`
`21:54.44`	`benmeyer`	`night`
`21:54.45`	`ZzzTiger`	`unpack/rename and run... i tried all that ... ipk doesnt seem to be valid afterwards`
`22:22.32`	`Locutus4242`	`Jason, Ben; got any thoughts on this Stackless Bluetooth kit Pellico Systems has?`
`22:23.01`	`Locutus4242`	`http://www.pellicosystems.com/zaurus/hardware/bluetoothDevKit.html`
`22:23.18`	`Neo\|Work`	`Locutus4242: they are both not here..`
`22:23.50`	`Locutus4242`	`doh, sorry bout that. Thanks`
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`22:48.44`	`PorkySpine`	`is the problem with Sandisk 128Mb resolved in Openzaurus 3?`
`22:49.29`	`PorkySpine`	`because i dont have a cf card, so i have to install through SD`
`22:49.43`	`Pendalar`	`most of the problems with Sandisk chips isn't the OS's fault ;-)`
`22:50.09`	`PorkySpine`	`ok :)`
`22:50.41`	`Pendalar`	`bad clusters or something or other.. in the forums`
`22:50.57`	`Pendalar`	`I bought lexar since they are cheaper and most people have no problems with them`
`22:51.24`	`PorkySpine`	`its working in my current kernel`
`22:51.42`	`PorkySpine`	`but i had to reinstall the driver`
`22:52.34`	`Pendalar`	`not all the cards had the problem, it was certain batches`
`22:52.48`	`Pendalar`	`afaik, but like I said I didn't read much about it since I wasn't affected`
`22:53.09`	`PorkySpine`	`but if i flashed the rom, and lose my internal memory then i couldn't use my SD to install OpenZAurus`
`22:53.34`	`kergoth`	`PorkySpine: eh?`
`22:53.46`	`kergoth`	`PorkySpine: theres no supported method to install oz without CF`
`22:53.48`	`kergoth`	`PorkySpine: read the faq`
`22:54.14`	`PorkySpine`	`supose i wanted to install OpenZaurus 3`
`22:54.19`	`kergoth`	`?`
`22:54.29`	`kergoth`	`yes, and there's no supported way to install it without a cf card`
`22:54.31`	`kergoth`	`like i just said`
`22:54.40`	`PorkySpine`	`i don't have a CF card, but i have a SD`
`22:55.00`	`kergoth`	`are you not listening?`
`22:55.05`	`PorkySpine`	`ok!`
`22:55.08`	`Pendalar`	`heh`
`22:55.18`	`kergoth`	`17:07 <@kergoth> yes, and there's no supported way to install it without a cf`
`22:55.19`	`kergoth`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:55.26`	`kergoth`	`^^-is there some part of this you dont understand?`
`22:55.35`	`Pendalar`	`it's not a OZ thing, blame sharp ;-)`
`22:56.02`	`PorkySpine`	`man! I am in Portugal!! in a modem! my writen english is not very fluid`
`22:56.11`	`PorkySpine`	`and dos't forgat the LAG`
`22:56.20`	`PorkySpine`	`and don't forget the LAG`
`22:57.14`	`Neo\|Work`	`bah, being abroad / non-native English speaker is not an excuse. ;-)`
`22:58.34`	`Pendalar`	`type slowly and babblefish is your friend`
`22:58.46`	`Pendalar`	`I know some japanese if that helps`
`22:59.17`	`PorkySpine`	`man! you guys suck!`
`22:59.56`	`Pendalar`	`being on sorcerynet if fun sometimes, seems like it's all romanians`
`22:59.59`	`PorkySpine`	`i came here for some help! and this is what i get!`
`23:00.17`	`Pendalar`	`heh we are helping ;-) know you know that you can't flash via SD`
`23:00.47`	`kergoth`	`PorkySpine: http://openzaurus.org/`
`23:01.00`	`kergoth`	`PorkySpine: if you read the faq before asking, it'll help`
`23:01.21`	`Pendalar`	`why isn't http://www.openzaurus.com/offical/unstable/feed/ opening up?`
`23:01.36`	`kergoth`	`Pendalar: um, because its .org not .com? :P`
`23:01.39`	`Pendalar`	`doh`
`23:01.46`	`Pendalar`	`damn I got to sleep soon`
`23:03.21`	`Pendalar`	`http://www.openzaurus.org/offical/unstable/feed/ doesn't like me either`
`23:03.30`	`Pendalar`	`what other typo have I made =-/`
`23:03.50`	`kergoth`	`its official`
`23:03.52`	`kergoth`	`not offical`
`23:04.27`	`troffasky`	`Pendalar: load mod_speling ;-)`
`23:04.44`	`Pendalar`	`I'm on a windows machines atm, sadly`
`23:04.50`	`Pendalar`	`part of my defunction`
`23:05.16`	`Pendalar`	`/feeds/unstable was easier ;-)`
`23:07.07`	`kergoth`	`yea yea, well theres multiple unstable feeds :)`
`23:07.17`	`kergoth`	`feeds/ has been a dir full of symlinks into the other dirs for a while now :)`
`23:07.21`	`troffasky`	`mod_speling is an apache module that corrects typo`
`23:07.26`	`kergoth`	`then i just ditched it`
`23:07.28`	`troffasky`	`s in URLs`
`23:11.09`	`Pendalar`	`siily you`
`23:11.16`	`Pendalar`	`be good to us that never sleep`
`23:11.28`	`kergoth`	`silly you`
`23:11.30`	`kergoth`	`you should sleep`
`23:11.34`	`Pendalar`	`never!`
`23:11.55`	`Pendalar`	`not til OZ let me use my wifi`
`23:12.06`	`Pendalar`	`then I can sleep happily`
`23:16.35`	`Pendalar`	`kergoth it detects my wifi, even apparently finds the channel.. worked through the WEP issue..`
`23:16.44`	`kergoth`	`Pendalar: whats the behavior?`
`23:16.48`	`Pendalar`	`but still says net unreachable like I had the gateway or something wrong`
`23:16.59`	`kergoth`	`can you ping the AP?`
`23:16.59`	`Pendalar`	`I've got a solid light, but can't ping anything, including LAN ips`
`23:17.02`	`Pendalar`	`no`
`23:17.10`	`Pendalar`	`net unreachable, doesn't even try`
`23:17.21`	`Pendalar`	`played with network.opts and wireless.opts /conf`
`23:17.48`	`kergoth`	`ifconfig -a?`
`23:17.51`	`kergoth`	`do you have an ip?`
`23:18.30`	`Pendalar`	`usb one`
`23:18.37`	`Pendalar`	`lemme see if there's the other in this dump`
`23:18.41`	`kergoth`	`i'm talking about your wlan0 interface`
`23:18.45`	`kergoth`	`do ifconfig wlan0 then`
`23:18.56`	`kergoth`	`then it'll only show you that interface`
`23:19.02`	`kergoth`	`hrm, left my Z at home today`
`23:19.09`	`kergoth`	`guess i'll test this kernel when i get home`
`23:19.31`	`Pendalar`	`no`
`23:19.37`	`kergoth`	`no ip?`
`23:19.40`	`kergoth`	`are you using dhcp or static?`
`23:19.46`	`Pendalar`	`says it's up and all but no ip`
`23:20.01`	`Pendalar`	`well I've tried both, I prefer static but I'm doing dhcp to cut down on problems`
`23:20.29`	`kergoth`	`the question isnt what you've tried, its how is it setup right now`
`23:20.30`	`kergoth`	`:`
`23:20.32`	`kergoth`	`:)`
`23:20.47`	`Pendalar`	`I'm sure it's prob something in wireless.opts`
`23:21.03`	`kergoth`	`Pendalar: does iwconfig wlan0 output look correct?`
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`23:21.47`	`Pendalar`	`other than it saying encryption key : off`
`23:21.56`	`Pendalar`	`I tell it to turn it on but it won't listen =-/`
`23:22.14`	`boulez`	`hmm....anyone want to help a Zaurus noob get TCP/IP over USB working..?`
`23:22.19`	`kergoth`	`then your wireless.opts isnt correct`
`23:22.22`	`kergoth`	`edit it with a text editor`
`23:22.28`	`kergoth`	`ibot: tell boulez about howtos`
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`23:23.00`	`Pendalar`	`I tell it to turn on, and it says GET failed on device wlan0 ; no such device`
`23:23.22`	`Pendalar`	`when I play with udhcpc, it says it doesn't know what wlan0 is either`
`23:23.24`	`kergoth`	`'tell it to turn on' how?`
`23:23.24`	`boulez`	`I've seen that page...it covers tons of linux usb connections and Windows serial, but I don't see Windows usb on there...`
`23:23.34`	`kergoth`	`boulez: theres nothing to windows usb.`
`23:23.42`	`kergoth`	`boulez: you plug it in and install the driver and you're done..`
`23:23.55`	`Pendalar`	`no you have to enable ICS`
`23:23.58`	`Pendalar`	`;-)`
`23:24.10`	`kergoth`	`only if you need your Z to get internet access :)`
`23:24.19`	`boulez`	`Well, the tricky part, maybe, is that I'm connecting to a box that's already connected to another box via ICS`
`23:24.28`	`boulez`	`Right, that's what I'm trying to do`
`23:24.36`	`boulez`	`Sync works fine`
`23:24.41`	`kergoth`	`boulez: -this- box is using ICS, or its going through antoher box which has ICS enabled?`
`23:25.19`	`boulez`	`THe flowchart is: Zaurus connected to laptop. Laptop connected to desktop. Desktop connected to cable modem.`
`23:25.34`	`kergoth`	`boulez: okay, nothing wrong with that`
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`23:26.52`	`Pendalar`	`argh make it work`
`23:26.54`	`Pendalar`	`silly thing`
`23:27.26`	`Pendalar`	`kergoth why would turning on the key, or messing with udhcpc say 'wlan0 : no such device'`
`23:27.36`	`Pendalar`	`opie finds it fine`
`23:27.38`	`boulez`	`I've read some pages that say I need to use a proxy...trying that now and it still doesn't seem to work.`
`23:27.41`	`kergoth`	`Pendalar: ifconfig -a shows the device?`
`23:27.49`	`kergoth`	`boulez: you dont. just turn on ICS`
`23:27.57`	`kergoth`	`boulez: unless of course you're on 95/98`
`23:28.00`	`boulez`	`on the laptop?`
`23:28.04`	`boulez`	`no, win2k`
`23:28.12`	`Pendalar`	`yes it does`
`23:28.17`	`kergoth`	`boulez: then enable ICS`
`23:28.22`	`kergoth`	`Pendalar: odd`
`23:28.27`	`Pendalar`	`I've never had parts of the OS find it, and others not`
`23:28.28`	`kergoth`	`Pendalar: anything useful in 'dmesg'?`
`23:28.37`	`Pendalar`	`maybe I need a real aliases file`
`23:28.37`	`kergoth`	`Pendalar: its not about finding it`
`23:28.42`	`kergoth`	`Pendalar: the device is there, but unusable`
`23:28.46`	`kergoth`	`Pendalar: aliases matters not`
`23:29.10`	`Pendalar`	`h,`
`23:29.18`	`kergoth`	`j.`
`23:29.21`	`Pendalar`	`hm rather this is interesting`
`23:29.28`	`Pendalar`	`take me a min to copy`
`23:30.58`	`Pendalar`	`wlan0: INFO - fid=0x02cf - len=2 type=0xf200 LinkStatus=6 (Association failed)`
`23:31.09`	`Pendalar`	`that would prob have something to do with it`
`23:31.33`	`kergoth`	`yep. failed to associate w/ the AP`
`23:31.42`	`kergoth`	`but iwconfig should still function..`
`23:32.09`	`Pendalar`	`k that may have something to do with the encryption thing or not?`
`23:32.15`	`Pendalar`	`sounds more hardware'y`
`23:33.40`	`kergoth`	`Pendalar: just edit /etc/pcmcia/wireless.opts and confirm its correct first`
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`23:35.48`	`Pendalar`	`hm`
`23:35.53`	`Pendalar`	`all I see is the key part`
`23:36.09`	`Pendalar`	`opie added ~restricted after my key`
`23:36.21`	`Pendalar`	`I editted that out before`
`23:36.27`	`Pendalar`	`it seems to like putting it back`
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`23:38.53`	`Pendalar`	`if I change it from shared to open etc it addeds either ~restricted or ~open to it`
`23:39.20`	`Pendalar`	`I don't remember that from before but after I got it going I didn't mess with it much`
`23:41.21`	`Pendalar`	`oh hell.. just saved wireless.opts over wireless.conf`
`23:41.34`	`Pendalar`	`now how am I going to get my wireless.conf back`
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`23:41.51`	`boulez`	`oops`
`23:42.02`	`boulez`	`got kicked off the net when I tried to change ics settings`
`23:42.11`	`boulez`	`I'm evidently missing something fundamental...`
`23:46.18`	`Cloudchaser`	`reading is fundamental`
`23:46.29`	`boulez`	`I can ping the Zaurus from Windows, I can sync...i just can't get it on the net`
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`23:52.13`	`Cloudchaser`	`boulez: are you on cable or dialup and what version of windows?`
`23:55.43`	`boulez`	`cable`
`23:55.45`	`boulez`	`win2k pro`
`23:56.34`	`boulez`	`on both the desktop (directly connected) and the laptop (connected to the desktop and on the net through ICS)`
`23:56.48`	`boulez`	`I'm attempting to get the Zaurus on the net via the laptop`

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