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02:04.27 | lsmith | aloha |
02:04.50 | lsmith | so whats the easiest way to be able to play oggs on a stock zaurus? |
02:05.38 | lsmith | appearently the ogg plugin for the standard player has some issues (which might be related to the encoder i use, after having read that someone got his zaurus to play after using oggdrop instead of cdex) |
02:06.59 | lsmith | i tried to install op2 yesterday .. but somehow it didnt like to install zlib |
02:07.08 | lsmith | anyone tried ogg123? |
02:07.18 | lsmith | mplayer doesnt have a gui does it? |
02:07.42 | TheMasterMind1 | lsmith: not yet |
02:11.43 | kolla | lsmith: xmms |
02:11.59 | kolla | definetly the easiest player to install to play oggs |
02:12.08 | lsmith | that is what i was also thinking ... do you know where i can get an ipk for xmms? |
02:13.18 | kolla | http://belnet.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/xmms-embedded/xmms-embedded-qtopia_0.00003_arm.ipk |
02:13.42 | lsmith | does it need any other libs? |
02:13.47 | kolla | just open the console and do a "ipkg install http://belnet.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/xmms-embedded/xmms-embedded-qtopia_0.00003_arm.ipk" |
02:13.53 | kolla | no, it comes with everything |
02:13.56 | lsmith | great |
02:14.00 | kolla | yup |
02:14.05 | lsmith | kolla: dont have net access configed |
02:14.10 | kolla | ah, ok |
02:14.16 | lsmith | but looks like you can do this via usb ppp |
02:22.36 | lsmith | does anyone in here know an easy way to disable the buttons underneath the screen? |
02:22.52 | lsmith | so that i can put the zaurus in my pocket while its playing music? |
02:23.31 | lsmith | hrmm .. gotta run to work |
02:24.10 | lsmith | that for your helps folks |
02:25.02 | kolla | look, another one that's interested in some button locker |
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03:21.42 | lsmith | ok .. i just installed xmms |
03:21.55 | lsmith | how do i get it into the applications tab? |
03:22.14 | DaWorm | it didnt appear? |
03:22.39 | lsmith | i dont see it .. |
03:23.15 | lsmith | i did "ipkg install xmms...ipk" |
03:23.30 | lsmith | and it seems to be doing ok during the install .. no errors at leasr |
03:23.37 | DaWorm | hmmm |
03:23.44 | DaWorm | i installed that before in gui |
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03:31.37 | kolla | lsmith: restart qpe |
03:31.47 | kolla | should pop up an icon in the program tab |
03:33.21 | kolla | qtopia doesnt automaticly discover new files |
03:33.52 | lsmith | how do i restart? .. soft reset? |
03:33.56 | kolla | no.. |
03:34.05 | kolla | settings, restart.. restart qtopia |
03:34.47 | kolla | qtopia should have a "refresh" gadget somewhere |
03:34.55 | lsmith | hmm i have the german version installed .. there is nothing like restart there .. only "turn off" |
03:35.08 | kolla | ok, then that's the one |
03:35.24 | lsmith | ah .. |
03:35.24 | kolla | and there should be a "restart qtopia" in there |
03:35.29 | lsmith | k .. found it |
03:36.05 | lsmith | kewl thx |
03:36.10 | kolla | no prob |
03:36.27 | kolla | never graspedwhy qtopia cannot autorefresh when new files appear |
03:37.02 | lsmith | yeah .. the zaurus apps dont feel really polished .. but you do have the feeling that anythin can get fixed |
03:37.04 | DaWorm | hmmm...i thought it refreshes, although its not perfect; the taskbar never gets refreshed unless rebooted |
03:37.05 | lsmith | which is reassuring |
03:37.34 | kolla | DaWorm: it doesnt see anything you do from the command line |
03:37.44 | DaWorm | ohh..right..bingo... |
03:37.49 | DaWorm | that slipped me |
03:37.50 | DaWorm | hehe |
03:38.00 | kolla | all part of the "graphical interface not being part of the OS" thing |
03:38.04 | lsmith | puh the default skin is a bit dark |
03:38.30 | DaWorm | its been a while since i used the retail rom |
03:38.43 | kolla | DaWorm: OZ isnt any better in this regard |
03:38.55 | DaWorm | true |
03:39.20 | DaWorm | but aqpkg is way better than the gui istaller of sharp |
03:39.22 | kolla | since underlying system has no way to tell opie that.. "hey.. new files here, refresh!" |
03:39.40 | kolla | opie has to find out on its own |
03:39.52 | DaWorm | yeah |
03:40.20 | kolla | but probing the filesystem all the time isnt a solution either |
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03:44.29 | kolla | lsmith: playing oggs yet? :) |
03:44.48 | lsmith | nope .. qtopia is being stupid about sending data to the zaurus |
03:45.01 | lsmith | so i can send an ogg file to the zaurus :-/ |
03:45.13 | lsmith | i need to setup the net connection on the zaurus |
03:45.17 | Wintre | Polling isn't the most elegant solution but it's not horrible. |
03:45.21 | lsmith | unfortunately i have to work atm :-/ |
03:45.47 | kolla | lsmith: notice that oggs most likely wont show up in the Dokuments tab |
03:45.47 | kolla | lsmith: just open them from within xmms |
03:46.03 | lsmith | and i have to fight the temptations that being your own boss bring when you get a new toy :-) |
03:46.12 | kolla | :) |
03:46.13 | noidd | bah |
03:46.13 | lsmith | ah ok |
03:46.35 | noidd | anyone know the --build --host flags for cross compiling using ./configure off the top of their head? |
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03:52.15 | Hironimo | i've got 18000 messages in pine - how to delete them all? |
03:52.42 | Wintre | Hironimo: Where are they stored? |
03:53.29 | Hironimo | hm. somewhere on disk |
03:53.29 | Wintre | In an mbox file or an IMAP server or...? |
03:53.29 | Wintre | Oh, ls -l $MAIL |
03:53.29 | Wintre | Should show your your mail spool |
03:53.29 | Wintre | cp /dev/null $MAIL |
03:53.29 | Wintre | But that will delete everything. |
03:53.34 | noidd | ibot, xcompile |
03:53.34 | | hmm... xcompile is see oz toolchain |
03:53.42 | scanline | Hironimo: if you use mutt, you can press capital D to delete messages matching an expression |
03:53.44 | noidd | ibot, oz toolchain |
03:53.44 | | somebody said oz toolchain was http://www.openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/, or mkdir /usr/local/arm and extract them in there. |
03:53.49 | kolla | echo "" > $MAIL |
03:53.57 | kolla | in pine |
03:54.04 | kolla | ;aax |
03:54.30 | kolla | ;aad was it, I think |
03:54.49 | kolla | ah yes |
03:54.56 | kolla | ;aadx |
03:55.41 | kolla | ; a(ll), a(ction), d(elete), ex(punge) |
03:56.30 | kolla | Hironimo: got it? |
03:56.57 | Hironimo | think so |
03:57.03 | Hironimo | tells me Expunging |
03:57.15 | Hironimo | takes some time tho |
03:57.43 | Hironimo | all those mails come from chronjobs |
03:58.09 | noidd | ibot, oz toolchain |
03:58.09 | | somebody said oz toolchain was http://www.openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/, or mkdir /usr/local/arm and extract them in there. |
03:58.19 | Hironimo | it somehow writes them to mails. is it right that > /dev/null &2 > /dev/null doesnt send the mail? |
04:01.31 | kolla | hm? |
04:01.45 | kolla | oh |
04:02.20 | kolla | yes, if you make cronjobs that direct their output like that, you should not get mail about it |
04:03.10 | Wintre | Though generally that's bad. |
04:03.22 | Wintre | Unless you really don't care whether the cronjob succeeded or failed. |
04:03.31 | Wintre | (and how likely is that?) |
04:03.54 | kolla | yes, better make smarter cronjobs that actually gives you exactly what you want |
04:04.35 | kolla | which is an understandable error message if something fails, else outputs nothing |
04:04.51 | Wintre | Precisely |
04:09.29 | lsmith | hmm a good media player should have a lcd blind/lock keys mode |
04:09.44 | kolla | yes |
04:09.59 | kolla | or there should be an applet for it :) |
04:10.15 | kolla | "lock everything unless I tap my magic tap code" |
04:10.47 | lsmith | well doesnt that cover protect from such unwanted tabs? |
04:11.42 | kolla | what do you mean? |
04:12.02 | lsmith | i mean if oyu got the cover on |
04:12.07 | kolla | the plastic cover protects yes |
04:12.11 | lsmith | then no unwanted "tabs" should happen |
04:12.15 | kolla | indeed |
04:12.20 | lsmith | therefore you only need to lock the keys |
04:12.23 | kolla | true |
04:12.24 | lsmith | and you dont need a "magic tab" |
04:12.47 | kolla | true |
04:13.35 | lsmith | tkc should have a subscription service |
04:13.46 | lsmith | that allows you to use all their apps while you are subscribed |
04:13.48 | kolla | tkc should make their own Z distro :) |
04:14.00 | noidd | lsmith: whats the point? their apps are so cheap already |
04:14.14 | kolla | I find it strange that they dont have more bundles |
04:14.34 | lsmith | noidd: its does add up .. and they keep adding packages |
04:14.41 | kolla | "buy everything and get a freebie" or something |
04:14.45 | lsmith | i would be willing to pay 5$ a month |
04:15.35 | lsmith | that way they have a few advantages: they would get a steady income |
04:16.09 | kolla | they dont have any demo versions do they? |
04:16.13 | lsmith | and more people would use their apps .. as alot of people might be reluctant to buy that next app .. but they would give apps a try that they get for free |
04:16.19 | lsmith | kolla: i dont think |
04:16.32 | noidd | ibot, oz toolchain |
04:16.32 | | rumour has it, oz toolchain is http://www.openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/, or mkdir /usr/local/arm and extract them in there. |
04:16.42 | noidd | arse |
04:16.47 | kolla | leg |
04:16.59 | noidd | need documention |
04:17.06 | noidd | no reference on the website i can find for it |
04:18.57 | kolla | oh.. tkc has freebies |
04:19.04 | kolla | buy more than 10 items and save 25% |
04:19.42 | kolla | wouldnt know what to buy though :) |
04:22.28 | lsmith | ok .. playing oggs |
04:22.37 | lsmith | thx kolla |
04:23.26 | ljp | the tkc ogg ripper is free |
04:28.14 | noidd | ibot, zaurus/ |
04:28.14 | | noidd: I don't know, could you explain it? |
04:28.17 | noidd | ibot, zaurus? |
04:28.17 | | from memory, zaurus is at http://developer.sharpsec.com/index.cfm or the closest thing to sex I can get in the palm of ibot's hand. or the Sharp PDA brand name. The SL-5000, SL-5500 and A300 run Linux. There are also other Japanese models running a proprietary operating system. or there are 12 screws holding it together - pop off th ekeyboard and the hidden one is beneath the email key |
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04:29.55 | noidd | damn, I just cant find a working cross-compile environment |
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04:46.12 | Olegs | hi people |
04:55.15 | Twiun | ibot: xcompile |
04:55.16 | | rumour has it, xcompile is see oz toolchain |
04:55.59 | Twiun | noidd: what's wrong with the oz one? |
04:57.11 | noidd | ello Twiun |
04:57.15 | Twiun | yo |
04:57.20 | noidd | how did your test go? |
04:59.03 | Twiun | really well, I was the second one out (of 8 people) |
04:59.23 | Twiun | just waiting for the agency to get back to me now... |
04:59.27 | noidd | very cool |
04:59.30 | noidd | gratz yadda |
04:59.35 | noidd | any surprises on the test? |
05:00.01 | Twiun | yeah... if *that's* the extent of multithreading they need... then I am indeed a multithreading expert :-) |
05:00.23 | Twiun | I was cramming all that high performance java computing stuff over the weekend... not needed it |
05:00.38 | noidd | hehe |
05:00.45 | noidd | they need it to work - not work well :-) |
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05:00.55 | Twiun | true enough I suppose |
05:01.13 | Twiun | so... what's this problem you're having with the toolchain? |
05:01.16 | Twiun | mine's working fine |
05:01.39 | noidd | the problem is that there are no docs i can find |
05:01.45 | noidd | all I want to be able to do is cross-compile |
05:01.56 | noidd | I don't actually care about the qtopia stuff (yet) |
05:02.02 | noidd | ibot, oz toolchain |
05:02.02 | | i guess oz toolchain is http://www.openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/, or mkdir /usr/local/arm and extract them in there. |
05:02.15 | noidd | see, just the url to get the sources and where to put them |
05:02.25 | noidd | nothing on the website to give any indication how to use them |
05:02.56 | noidd | so.. talk me through it :-) |
05:02.59 | Twiun | ok... get the 2.95 tarball, I'll take you through it ;-) |
05:03.35 | noidd | ok got it |
05:03.37 | Twiun | what version gcc do you have locally? |
05:03.40 | noidd | and its in /usr/local/arm |
05:03.53 | noidd | root@citalopram root #gcc --version |
05:03.53 | noidd | 2.95.3 |
05:03.57 | Twiun | cool |
05:04.18 | Twiun | so you have a 2.95.3 dir in /usr/local/arm |
05:04.23 | noidd | yup |
05:04.42 | Twiun | all you do now is export PATH=${PATH}:/usr/local/arm/2.95.3/bin |
05:05.13 | noidd | ok, thats makes sense |
05:05.15 | Twiun | and then any configure script that knows about crosscompiling will use the arm-linux bins |
05:05.25 | noidd | and i've deduced that already - BUT. |
05:05.40 | noidd | so, I untar my example proggie |
05:05.45 | noidd | example is bash |
05:05.54 | noidd | so... ./configure --build=? --target=? |
05:06.43 | noidd | I had it aliased before on my old machine - but that machine is long gone |
05:07.19 | noidd | I used it to compile crit-gnupg and crit-socat pacakges which are on killefiz |
05:07.37 | Twiun | right |
05:07.43 | Twiun | usually, only --target is needed |
05:07.57 | Twiun | --target=arm-linux should work I believe |
05:08.08 | Wintre | Since determining the architecture you're building on should be trivial |
05:08.39 | Twiun | Wintre: you'd think so ;-) but some scripts are badly configured when it comes to xcompiling, and still get it wrong |
05:08.49 | Wintre | Heh. |
05:08.53 | noidd | root@citalopram bash-2.05 #./configure --target=arm-linux |
05:09.04 | noidd | Beginning configuration for bash-2.05 for i686-pc-linux-gnu |
05:09.04 | noidd | checking for gcc... gcc |
05:09.04 | noidd | checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) works... yes |
05:09.04 | noidd | checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) is a cross-compiler... no |
05:09.09 | noidd | (seems not) |
05:09.42 | Twiun | ok... try CC="arm-linux-gcc" ./configure --target=arm-linux |
05:10.04 | Twiun | hopefully you won't have to do that for the whole toolchain |
05:10.25 | noidd | hehe, I can guess what will happen if I do that but here goes |
05:10.40 | noidd | checking host system type... ./support/config.guess: ./dummy-21353: cannot execute binary file |
05:10.40 | noidd | ./support/config.guess: ./dummy-21353: cannot execute binary file |
05:10.44 | Twiun | rofl |
05:10.44 | noidd | hehe, as I guessed :-) |
05:10.58 | Twiun | yeah, get the impression it's not setup for xcompiling? |
05:11.16 | Twiun | it's not the fault of the toolchain though, it's the bash configure script |
05:11.24 | noidd | true |
05:11.47 | noidd | but, there are options for configure script that stops it doing that |
05:11.53 | noidd | just got to keep juggling I guess |
05:12.13 | Twiun | those options only work if they've been configured properly by the source maintainer |
05:12.19 | Twiun | most aren't |
05:12.29 | Twiun | what happened when you built natively? |
05:12.31 | noidd | ok, let me test it on something I *know* works |
05:13.26 | noidd | I know it works on socat because i've compiled that before |
05:13.34 | Twiun | ok |
05:13.53 | noidd | better fight with the options |
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05:20.16 | noidd | I think i'm misssing something else |
05:20.43 | Twiun | no luck? |
05:20.45 | noidd | I've tried 7-8 combinations now of flags and none of them cause configure to use the correct compiler. |
05:20.50 | noidd | no :-/ |
05:21.36 | Twiun | that is so weird |
05:22.14 | lsmith | kolla: do you know how to switch the skin on xmms on the zaurus? |
05:22.28 | noidd | you in front of your xcompile environment now Tw? |
05:24.06 | Twiun | yup |
05:24.31 | noidd | you have any ./configure style software on your box you can attempt to cross compile? |
05:24.46 | noidd | if it works for you with your --target flags, then I know I have a local problem |
05:24.48 | Twiun | quite a few... let me find a convenient one |
05:24.52 | noidd | probably environmental |
05:25.50 | kolla | lsmith: no can do yet, afaik |
05:26.00 | noidd | there is probably an env variable or two missing perhaps |
05:26.22 | Twiun | probably... hrmph... damn, gonna have to extract some of this stuff |
05:27.33 | Twiun | ok... can't do openssl... not a standard configure script... |
05:28.18 | noidd | I am so annoyed at myself for not writing the flags down |
05:28.33 | noidd | so, I either have to try the broken HD in the corner |
05:28.41 | noidd | or wait for kergoth to wake up, |
05:29.06 | Twiun | checking for gcc... gcc |
05:29.06 | Twiun | checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) works... yes |
05:29.06 | Twiun | checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) is a cross-compiler... no |
05:29.19 | Twiun | looks like mine has the same issue atm |
05:29.33 | Twiun | BUT |
05:29.43 | Twiun | it does identify the target os: |
05:29.45 | Twiun | checking host system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu |
05:29.45 | Twiun | checking target system type... arm-unknown-linux-gnu |
05:29.45 | Twiun | checking build system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu |
05:29.57 | noidd | so does mine |
05:30.27 | noidd | but cross-compile=no means that it will use the compile method of aquireing values |
05:30.53 | Twiun | yep |
05:31.35 | noidd | I feel a lot better now :-) |
05:33.26 | noidd | ibot, summon kergoth |
05:33.26 | | noidd: I give up, what is it? |
05:33.40 | noidd | time to give ibot that module |
05:34.16 | Twiun | yah |
05:34.44 | Twiun | I give up... pounce on kergoth when he logs on ;-) |
05:35.28 | noidd | haha |
05:35.32 | noidd | wimp |
05:35.35 | noidd | (but thanks) ;-) |
05:45.29 | ljp | boo! |
05:47.53 | noidd | heya ljp |
05:47.57 | ljp | hi |
05:48.06 | noidd | you know anything about using xcompiler? |
05:49.01 | ljp | sure |
05:49.23 | ljp | I usually install the rpms from the sharp site |
05:49.43 | noidd | you know which flags to use with ./configure? |
05:50.06 | ljp | auto* ? |
05:50.18 | ljp | or for opie |
05:50.28 | noidd | for example, bash |
05:50.42 | noidd | ./configure --target=arm-linux etc... |
05:53.14 | ljp | hmm maybe try -xplatform .. I'm not too sure for auto* stuff |
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06:21.35 | Freddie_ | hello |
06:21.44 | Freddie_ | anyone here have qtopia desktop 1.6 syncing to your Z? |
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06:21.50 | Harlekin | hi * |
06:21.54 | lsmith | Freddie_: yes |
06:22.04 | Freddie_ | lsmith: Did you need to do anything special? |
06:22.10 | lsmith | not really |
06:22.23 | Freddie_ | do you run stock rom or OZ? |
06:22.30 | lsmith | stock rom |
06:22.35 | Freddie_ | perhaps that is it then |
06:22.43 | Freddie_ | since I have opie (through OZ) |
06:22.48 | Freddie_ | it might be interfering in some way |
06:23.04 | Freddie_ | When I go to the sync menu, everything is grayed out |
06:23.10 | Freddie_ | yet I can ssh into my Z just fine |
06:23.28 | Freddie_ | the IP address is correct |
06:23.57 | Twiun[tv] | Freddie_: did you go to the security app? |
06:24.20 | Freddie_ | yes |
06:24.22 | Freddie_ | it is set to: |
06:24.30 | Freddie_ | 192.168.129.0/24 (default) |
06:24.37 | Freddie_ | which SHOULD allow my desktop access to sync |
06:25.17 | Freddie_ | hrm |
06:25.20 | Freddie_ | I set it to "Any" |
06:25.26 | Freddie_ | and now it looks like it is going to attach |
06:25.47 | Twiun[tv] | ok... what's your desktop ip? |
06:25.50 | Twiun[tv] | 129.1? |
06:26.09 | Freddie_ | desktop ip is 192.168.129.200 |
06:26.15 | Twiun | right, that's your problem |
06:26.18 | Freddie_ | eh? |
06:26.24 | Twiun | set it to 192.168.129.1 |
06:26.30 | Freddie_ | but that is in the range of 192.168.129.0/24 |
06:26.33 | Freddie_ | so it SHOULD be allowed. . . |
06:26.38 | Twiun | try it |
06:27.18 | Freddie_ | well |
06:27.28 | Freddie_ | I just set my security app back to 192.168.129.0/24 and it works now |
06:27.39 | Twiun | lol |
06:28.16 | Twiun | could be a bug... best update OZ and see if the problem persists |
06:28.28 | Twiun | if it does, report it as an opie bug |
06:29.12 | Freddie_ | ok |
06:29.14 | Freddie_ | hrm |
06:29.17 | Freddie_ | I did a sync all |
06:29.31 | Freddie_ | my Z has a screen that says "Syncing ALL" |
06:29.33 | Freddie_ | "Cancel" |
06:29.42 | Freddie_ | and qtopia desktop seems to have finished its sync |
06:30.37 | Freddie_ | there we go |
06:30.39 | Twiun | ok, best take the conversation to #openzaurus then... it could be something they're aware of |
06:30.48 | Freddie_ | ok |
06:30.50 | Freddie_ | thanks! |
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06:44.36 | nobse | hi... I'm searching iptables for the sharp rom, can I use the package from oz? |
07:01.06 | Wintre | Blah, where is benmeyer when I need him |
07:01.43 | Twiun | probably got sent to yet another roadshow ;-) |
07:30.38 | Com[Plex] | lol |
07:31.53 | Com[Plex] | any progress made on fbvnc server? <since 0.3.2 |
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07:37.34 | ciao_linux | did anyone manage to install lirc successfully here? (on a z of course) |
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07:48.21 | Com[Plex] | ciao_linux: its not ready yet. I tried. fiddled with the package some. there s aproblem with the modules not loading right. |
07:49.38 | Com[Plex] | its been a while tho. I dont know itf anyones made any progress since then. |
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08:05.52 | pez2001 | the cf slot is ide pin compatible,right? |
08:06.14 | pez2001 | so why is there no ide-cf adapter cable arround? |
08:08.33 | Com[Plex] | uh.. no its not ide pin compatable |
08:09.14 | Com[Plex] | if it is, this is the very first Ive heard of it. = however. you can probbaly do a search for "cf ide" |
08:09.27 | Com[Plex] | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=cf+ide+adapter+ |
08:10.09 | Com[Plex] | theres one for 21$ |
08:10.12 | Com[Plex] | look at that. |
08:11.24 | pez2001 | see this ...http://www.dansdata.com/images/cfide/ready320.jpg |
08:11.41 | pez2001 | and tell me its not compatible |
08:12.02 | Com[Plex] | hang on |
08:12.28 | pez2001 | i know cf cards use the atapi interface to communicate with the host |
08:13.26 | Com[Plex] | that adapter is for reading cf cards in a pc. off the ide. not the other way around. sosry |
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08:15.34 | pez2001 | not matter what way arround it means for me its compatible....and the platine doesnt have too much on it.... |
08:15.46 | pez2001 | so i hope someone builds a cable soon.... |
08:16.42 | pez2001 | power for the drive will still be a problem.... |
08:16.59 | Com[Plex] | yeah. w3ill need a 5v and 12v adapter. lol |
08:17.00 | pez2001 | batterie packs should work...but not too long.... |
08:17.07 | pez2001 | yepp |
08:17.19 | pez2001 | ;-)) |
08:18.32 | Com[Plex] | I seriously doubt this will work. |
08:19.16 | Com[Plex] | I was thinking about making an extention cable for micrpodrives so they wont melt your screen, but I beleive the extra length on the cable would create too much interference. |
08:20.23 | Pend-Gone | doh I wasn't marked away |
08:20.30 | Pendalar | sorry about that |
08:20.37 | Com[Plex] | hehe |
08:20.49 | Pendalar | helps when you have coffee *before* the computer |
08:21.09 | ljp_work | anyone know where to find old mac software? |
08:21.13 | ljp_work | :) |
08:21.26 | Com[Plex] | like what ljp? |
08:21.39 | Pendalar | apple IIe? |
08:21.40 | Pendalar | fun |
08:21.50 | Com[Plex] | irc.efnet.org #oldmacsoftware |
08:22.12 | ljp_work | mac IIsi :) |
08:22.19 | Com[Plex] | ouch |
08:22.28 | ljp_work | heheh hey it was free |
08:22.37 | ciao_linux | who is taking care of http://www.rit.edu/~tfs1812/? |
08:22.39 | Com[Plex] | irc.efnet.org #wickedoldmacsoftware |
08:22.42 | Pendalar | not worth the electricity it uses |
08:22.49 | ljp_work | and at least with a connector, I canuse the monitor on a pc |
08:22.57 | ljp_work | heheh |
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08:23.44 | uncon | is there any docs on using bootmenu-dialog in oz? |
08:24.00 | ljp_work | all the mac software places are for that new fangled icrap stuff |
08:24.06 | Com[Plex] | uncon. I dont think its ready yet |
08:24.18 | uncon | oooh |
08:24.21 | Com[Plex] | better to just terminate OPie to get to a console |
08:24.26 | ljp_work | guess I'll just have to write me own.. |
08:24.33 | uncon | Com[Plex], okay, thanks |
08:24.35 | Com[Plex] | lol |
08:24.42 | ljp_work | heh opie on motorola |
08:24.44 | Com[Plex] | np incon. I asked about it yesterday too |
08:25.04 | Pendalar | I want to write something, if I can get a moments peace |
08:26.27 | ljp_work | just a moment? |
08:26.43 | Com[Plex] | ciao. I dont know who is working on that, but Ill tell ya, that page hasnt changed in the three months since I last fixed the lirc package |
08:28.30 | Pendalar | I don't ask for much |
08:28.35 | Com[Plex] | fixed = well. worked on,.. |
08:28.55 | Com[Plex] | I might actually take another look at it. |
08:29.07 | Com[Plex] | hell. I should do that right now. |
08:29.10 | Com[Plex] | gotta love putty |
08:29.17 | ljp_work | you are welcome to write opie docs :) |
08:31.40 | ljp_work | I like silly putty |
08:33.15 | Cloudchaser | so Com[Plex]: how did you end up with the vnc last night? |
08:33.20 | Cloudchaser | did you get it working? |
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08:34.09 | Com[Plex] | noipe. |
08:34.44 | Com[Plex] | got some problems with the tssmid or whatever not actually grabbing screenttaps from the connected session |
08:35.11 | Com[Plex] | the calibration file is created. and the touch screen is very eratic. |
08:35.44 | Com[Plex] | hard toi describe. but regardless. when I connect with tthe client. I cannot send screentaps to it. - key strokes are working fone tho./ |
08:35.47 | Com[Plex] | fine |
08:36.11 | Com[Plex] | and since I have no idea what Im doing. Im gonna wait for treke and kergoth to look at it :> |
08:36.22 | Com[Plex] | I will help out by guineapigging for them. |
08:36.23 | Com[Plex] | hehe |
08:37.21 | Cloudchaser | ok |
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08:41.53 | Pendalar | An Amish buggy driver was cited for improper passing. The buggy driver was trying to pass a slower buggy. The slower buggy was forced down an embankment and the horse was killed. |
08:41.55 | Pendalar | hrm |
08:46.53 | Pendalar | sup kergy |
08:46.55 | pez2001 | what wifi cf cards could anyone recommend ??? |
08:47.10 | pez2001 | is the smc card good? |
08:47.26 | Pendalar | not wfc11 if you want the stylus slot unblocked |
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08:48.24 | Pendalar | er wcf rather |
08:49.00 | noda | I've got an SMC... it's nice. Doesn't block anything, works. |
08:49.09 | noda | Nothing to compare it to though |
08:49.25 | pez2001 | smc EZ connect wireless compact flash card... |
08:49.42 | s2n | I just got a dlink this weekend, seems to work ok. Doesn't block anything. I am having a problem at my house though as there is another wireless net next door |
08:49.50 | pez2001 | there is another from buffalo |
08:50.05 | s2n | and the card seems to not pick up the right one |
08:50.36 | Pendalar | that's a common 2.4ghz band problem |
08:51.07 | s2n | really? |
08:51.08 | noda | s2n: You can just tell it to use a specific ESSID. |
08:51.09 | Pendalar | my phone and wifi fought for awhile |
08:51.24 | noda | My phone picks up some chinese people downstairs sometimes... |
08:51.27 | pez2001 | do i need an accesspoint??? imho i only need to cards and a good masquerading routing table ..... |
08:51.33 | pez2001 | two |
08:51.40 | Pendalar | ya, it's called ad-hoc |
08:51.44 | noda | pez2001: Right. Set up one of the cards as an access point and you're fine. |
08:51.44 | s2n | yeah, that didn't seem to do it...but i didn't have my laptop around to make sure the router was working... |
08:51.49 | noda | Pendalar: Nah, you can do managed mode. |
08:52.03 | Pendalar | you could, but why? |
08:52.12 | Pendalar | every body and their brother likes ad-hoc |
08:52.15 | nick__ | when is the SL-5600 going to stat selling? |
08:52.16 | noda | Pendalar: Because ad-hoc needs every wifi card in the network to talk to every other. |
08:52.25 | noda | Managed means they only have to talk with the access point. |
08:52.27 | Pendalar | well if you only have 2... so? |
08:52.31 | kergoth | noda: not correct |
08:52.31 | pez2001 | good ... this makes the whole investition a lil bit cheaper... |
08:52.38 | noda | kergoth: Not? You sure? |
08:52.41 | kergoth | noda: set up all your nodes as forwarders |
08:52.47 | kergoth | noda: i could to talk C via B |
08:52.57 | noda | kergoth: Oh, didn't know that :) |
08:52.59 | kergoth | noda: given A<->B<->C |
08:53.11 | Pendalar | ircd style |
08:53.20 | Pendalar | but seriously if you only have 2, it doesn't matter |
08:53.24 | kergoth | yep |
08:53.48 | kergoth | hah |
08:54.32 | Pendalar | heh don't confuse things |
08:54.55 | kergoth | confusing things is fun |
08:55.14 | pez2001 | connecting more nodes to the private net adding forwarding dns and routing ...this would kick ass if some more people are involved that you cant reach otherwise |
08:55.45 | noda | There are some groups that do that kind of thing in some cities... |
08:55.50 | Pendalar | phreakin.. |
08:55.54 | noda | With huge antennae and stuff... |
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08:56.35 | Pendalar | if it's not a cat sleeping on me it's a baby... |
08:56.38 | pez2001 | yeah i want one or huge antennae too.... ;-))) |
08:56.41 | Pendalar | no wonder I can't code =-P |
08:57.13 | pez2001 | what do you code pendalar? |
08:57.16 | Pendalar | I'd rather have a Internet connection -> ham radio convertor and decoder for the other side |
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08:57.46 | Pendalar | pez mostly I beta test and do IRCd related coding... 99% is just daemons |
08:57.57 | Pendalar | I know jack about qtopia thus far |
08:58.11 | Pendalar | if I can get this limp child offa me... =-/ |
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08:58.58 | Razzle | does anyone use mplayer to play DivX movies? |
08:59.02 | rapskat | i do |
08:59.19 | Razzle | the sound is very slow.. do you know a way to fix this? |
08:59.27 | noda | xine! :P |
08:59.40 | rapskat | Razzle: by slow, do you mean choppy? |
08:59.45 | Razzle | yes |
08:59.52 | Razzle | VERY choppy |
09:00.01 | rapskat | Razzle: you mean on the z right? |
09:00.05 | Pendalar | hrm no wonder everything is crashing... no free swap |
09:00.08 | Razzle | I tried to play the Terminator 3 trailer |
09:00.10 | Razzle | yeah |
09:00.11 | Pendalar | wonder why.. nothing is running |
09:00.30 | Pendalar | got 7mb left on internal storage, but swap is gone |
09:00.33 | rapskat | are you running it from console or in QT? |
09:00.43 | Razzle | console |
09:00.54 | rapskat | what's your cache set to? |
09:01.00 | Razzle | (i don't have OZ by the way if that's importatn) |
09:01.06 | Pendalar | kergoth, complex any ideas? |
09:01.07 | Razzle | I don't know,how do I find out? |
09:01.14 | kergoth | Pendalar: 'swap'? |
09:01.19 | Com[Plex] | uh |
09:01.20 | Com[Plex] | whastsdup? |
09:01.24 | kergoth | Pendalar: why would you have swap? |
09:01.26 | kergoth | heh |
09:01.32 | Pendalar | well whatever you want to call the ram part that isn't storage |
09:01.35 | rapskat | Razzle: if you don't explicitly have it set, then it's probably defaulting to 16K, which is really kinda low |
09:01.40 | kergoth | Pendalar: most of us call that 'ram' |
09:01.42 | Pendalar | I generally call it swap |
09:01.43 | Razzle | how can I change that? |
09:01.44 | kergoth | Pendalar: since thats what it is. |
09:01.46 | Com[Plex] | lol |
09:01.51 | rapskat | try invoking it with a -cache 192 or something like that |
09:02.03 | Pendalar | if I say 'ram' that doesn't denote whether I mean storage or the normal use of ram |
09:02.07 | kergoth | Pendalar: wrong |
09:02.10 | kergoth | Pendalar: ram is ram |
09:02.14 | Razzle | ok I'll try |
09:02.14 | kergoth | Pendalar: ramdisk is ram used as storage |
09:02.18 | kergoth | ram, ramdisk |
09:02.19 | kergoth | not hard |
09:02.22 | kergoth | pretty simple in fact |
09:02.29 | Pendalar | right |
09:02.32 | rapskat | Razzle: are you streaming it or playing local? |
09:02.39 | Razzle | local |
09:02.44 | Razzle | (in RAM) |
09:02.48 | rapskat | yeah, try to up that cache |
09:02.57 | Pendalar | like palm os, it's all ram |
09:02.58 | Com[Plex] | simpler now that you say it kergoth. ye of great wisom... and cool terminology.. |
09:03.02 | Razzle | wait a sec I'm gonna try |
09:03.02 | rapskat | it will take longer to load, but will play smoother |
09:03.04 | kergoth | Pendalar: wrong |
09:03.05 | Pendalar | just some is used for storage some not |
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09:03.14 | Com[Plex] | damnit. I cant make a joke, because I cant friggin type. |
09:03.14 | kergoth | Pendalar: there is 16mb of internal flash |
09:03.20 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: hehe |
09:03.20 | Pendalar | right |
09:03.25 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: nice try though ;) |
09:03.31 | kergoth | hey Harlekin_ |
09:03.36 | Com[Plex] | thanks. |
09:03.53 | Pendalar | so you are saying my internal flash df is shrinking on it's own accord? |
09:04.00 | kergoth | eh? |
09:04.30 | Com[Plex] | df? |
09:04.39 | Com[Plex] | lol |
09:04.39 | Pendalar | disk free.. linux command... |
09:04.53 | Razzle | rapskat: no, still the same |
09:05.30 | rapskat | Razzle: are you using the wrapper script or calling the binary directly? |
09:05.39 | Pendalar | ok lets try this again... what's eating up the ram? |
09:05.46 | Razzle | calling it directly with mplayer -quiet -cache 192 filename |
09:05.49 | Com[Plex] | pendlar, probably symlinks |
09:05.59 | rapskat | ok, just a sec... |
09:06.00 | Com[Plex] | they are very small. but if you have oodles of them. they take up some space. |
09:06.01 | Pendalar | by that I mean non storage |
09:06.03 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: he's referring to ram, not ramdisk |
09:06.08 | kergoth | Pendalar: ps |
09:06.15 | Com[Plex] | but then, IM sick and have not had cooffee either. so I could be the bumbling idiot as well |
09:06.17 | kergoth | Pendalar: check the memory usage of the running processes |
09:06.20 | Pendalar | nothing is running that shouldn't be |
09:06.26 | kergoth | that means nothing |
09:06.30 | Pendalar | unless something I'm running has a mem leak |
09:06.30 | kergoth | look at the *memory* usage |
09:06.31 | kergoth | heh |
09:06.41 | Razzle | hm should I try a nice? |
09:06.44 | Com[Plex] | where do you check that kjergoth? |
09:06.50 | Com[Plex] | whats a nice/> |
09:06.53 | kergoth | ps shows memory usage |
09:06.55 | Razzle | i mean the command |
09:07.11 | Razzle | COm[Plex]: to raise process priority |
09:07.20 | Razzle | (against choppy sounds) |
09:07.22 | Razzle | didn't work |
09:07.25 | Com[Plex] | oh. |
09:07.26 | Razzle | still choppy |
09:08.17 | Pendalar | or lower |
09:08.30 | Pendalar | dang about everything is using ~1.2mb of ram |
09:08.35 | rapskat | try this: /usr/local/bin/mplayerx -quiet -framedrop -vop list=resample,format:fout=44100 -sws 0 -cache 192 "$NXTFILE" |
09:08.40 | kergoth | Pendalar: thats not much.. |
09:08.46 | kergoth | Pendalar: qpe normally uses around 10 megs |
09:08.46 | Razzle | mplayerx? |
09:08.54 | kergoth | afaicr |
09:08.56 | Pendalar | when you have 10 things wanting a mb |
09:09.11 | rapskat | Razzle: that's the actual binary |
09:09.14 | kergoth | Pendalar: yes, thats only 10 megs, out of what? 26-40 depending on the kernel/model? |
09:09.19 | Pendalar | and qpe wanting 10 |
09:09.23 | Razzle | ok |
09:09.38 | kergoth | right, so half your memory is used. thats pretty much expected |
09:09.49 | kergoth | feel free to kill off syslogd and klogd unless you need to debug a problem |
09:09.53 | Com[Plex] | I love the way this runs with the 32mb zimage. <sl5000d> it works like a charm |
09:09.54 | Pendalar | in system info the 'cache' part is eating up everything |
09:09.59 | kergoth | Pendalar: no. |
09:10.04 | kergoth | Pendalar: cache is available for use by apps |
09:10.18 | kergoth | Pendalar: add free + cache to get a real sense of whats available |
09:10.25 | Pendalar | I thought it could be also in use though |
09:10.32 | kergoth | no. its cached. |
09:10.33 | Pendalar | and still shows up as cache |
09:10.45 | Pendalar | wonder why opera keeps refusing to load pages then |
09:11.06 | Pendalar | the only things I have running that isn't stock rom is openssh and a applet or two |
09:11.18 | Pendalar | the rest is games and what not, but not daemons |
09:11.39 | kergoth | its not likely ram thats your problem |
09:11.45 | kergoth | 5000d or 5500? |
09:11.50 | Pendalar | 5500 |
09:12.19 | kergoth | yep, shouldnt be a problem |
09:12.22 | kergoth | even with ssh running |
09:12.27 | Pendalar | I agree ;-) |
09:12.41 | kergoth | you could always run sshd out of inetd |
09:12.50 | kergoth | save a bit of ram, though you can run into timing issues with key authentication |
09:12.53 | Razzle | rapskat: is "$NXTFILE" supposed to be the video filename? |
09:13.00 | Razzle | or shall I just type "$NXTFILE"? |
09:13.11 | Pendalar | I do that on my linux box, didn't really see much of an improvement in any area |
09:13.23 | Pendalar | more trouble than it's worth imho |
09:13.35 | nick__ | any oine know when the SL-5600 is goin on sale? |
09:13.42 | kergoth | Pendalar: i wouldnt say more trouble, but it can save a headache by preventing that timing issue |
09:13.53 | kergoth | nick__: didnt it say in the announcement? |
09:13.55 | kergoth | nick__: go read it |
09:14.03 | nick__ | i guess i didnt see it |
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09:14.06 | nick__ | ill look again |
09:14.33 | rapskat | Razzle: yes |
09:14.41 | Razzle | err.. which one? |
09:14.58 | Com[Plex] | lol |
09:15.01 | rapskat | Razzle: oops, sorry, $NXTFILE is the name of the file to plat |
09:15.03 | rapskat | play |
09:15.05 | Com[Plex] | I love to ssh into my zaurus. hehe |
09:15.06 | Razzle | ok |
09:15.19 | Com[Plex] | I LOVE THIS STUPID PDA!!! |
09:15.19 | Pendalar | how many channels can the buzzer handle? |
09:15.35 | Com[Plex] | I almost broke my stylus last night playing backgammon tho. |
09:15.48 | Com[Plex] | that little fucker ALLWAYS gets the EXACT roll to tqake my friggin peices. |
09:15.52 | Com[Plex] | GRUMBLe |
09:16.11 | Pendalar | <PROTECTED> |
09:16.20 | Pendalar | don't be mad it's smarter than you ;-) |
09:16.46 | Razzle | rapskat: /usr/local/bin/mplayerx: No such file or directory |
09:16.47 | Com[Plex] | lol |
09:17.24 | Com[Plex] | I have a temper problem. I like to break things when I get mad. - like keyboards. keyuboards are the coolest thing in the world. when you are really pissed off. |
09:17.32 | Com[Plex] | there are so many ways to break them. |
09:17.42 | kergoth | true that |
09:17.46 | rapskat | Razzle: are you using the ipk version? |
09:17.55 | Razzle | yes |
09:17.59 | Pendalar | then you shouldn't code.. |
09:18.01 | kergoth | i remember slamming my fist on mine like 7 years ago, cracked the circuit board right in half |
09:18.02 | Com[Plex] | over the knee. karate chop, the twist and scream, even over the head. |
09:18.05 | kergoth | fun stuff |
09:18.06 | kergoth | hah |
09:18.08 | rapskat | hmm |
09:18.19 | Com[Plex] | my favorite is the karate chop -> defenestration maneuver |
09:18.19 | Razzle | used this one: mplayer_0.90pre10_arm.ipk |
09:18.32 | rapskat | Razzle: oooh, where's you get that? |
09:18.40 | rapskat | I have the pre5 version |
09:18.47 | Com[Plex] | gotta love throwing a keyboard out a window. |
09:18.52 | Com[Plex] | I lvoe to throw things out windows too |
09:18.56 | Razzle | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
09:19.06 | Pendalar | I like throwing windows out of things |
09:19.07 | rapskat | they must've just put that up |
09:19.14 | Razzle | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=727 |
09:19.15 | rapskat | I just checked yesterday |
09:19.22 | Com[Plex] | I live on the third fgloor. when I throw sutff out the window, it makes a big mess outside on the street below. |
09:19.26 | Razzle | Added: 11/14/2002 |
09:19.41 | rapskat | try it without the full path or the x, just do mplayer |
09:19.50 | Razzle | ok |
09:19.56 | rapskat | Razzle: hmmm |
09:20.04 | rapskat | maybe I'm just blind then...lol |
09:20.18 | Com[Plex] | I threw a vcr out the window recently. oh that was satisfying. stupid thing would eat every friggin tape I owned.. grrrr. when that hit the street, there was nothing left of it. very nice. |
09:20.53 | Pendalar | tape? eck |
09:21.43 | Razzle | that slowed the movie majorly, the sound's still pretty much the same |
09:21.54 | Com[Plex] | hey guys. can anyone else here read japanese? it looks like the c700 is coming with embedix on it. |
09:21.55 | Com[Plex] | http://www.sharp.co.jp/products/slc700/text/office.html |
09:22.06 | rapskat | Razzle: crap |
09:22.22 | Com[Plex] | Pendalar: when you have been collecting vhs for years and years. you gotta keep a tape player around. |
09:22.23 | rapskat | what are the details of the clip? |
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09:23.08 | rapskat | rapskat: I've noticed some vids will not play well as they are encoded |
09:23.31 | rapskat | that was meant for you Razzle, I need coffee...lol |
09:23.34 | Razzle | 352 x 205, 25 pics/sec, 95 KB/Sek, should be divx |
09:23.58 | Razzle | hehe |
09:24.14 | Razzle | the Terminator 3 Trailer |
09:24.33 | rapskat | are you sure it's divx? |
09:24.36 | Razzle | I can send it to you if you want |
09:24.37 | Razzle | no |
09:24.44 | rapskat | sure |
09:24.45 | chouimat | morning |
09:24.53 | Razzle | it says unknown format here but windows is a bitch and I don't know how to find out in linux |
09:25.29 | rapskat | try mplayer -identify <filename> |
09:26.28 | rapskat | Razzle: tx for the tip on the new version, btw :-) |
09:27.04 | Razzle | Div3 |
09:27.13 | Razzle | no problem :) |
09:27.28 | kolla | maybe I should try to watch buffy on my Z instead of laptop? heh |
09:27.32 | Razzle | audio codec ffmp3 |
09:27.42 | rapskat | there's the prob |
09:27.48 | Razzle | ? |
09:27.54 | kergoth | Com[Plex], Cloudchaser: ping |
09:27.57 | rapskat | mp3 doesn't play well on the Z |
09:28.05 | Razzle | oh |
09:28.07 | Cloudchaser | hiya kergoth |
09:28.09 | Razzle | what now? |
09:28.09 | rapskat | for movies I mean |
09:28.14 | Cloudchaser | how are you today? |
09:28.24 | rapskat | well, you could try reencding it... |
09:28.25 | Razzle | hm most movies have mp3 sound, don't they? |
09:28.36 | kergoth | Com[Plex], Cloudchaser: I just installed the fbvncserver ipk i sent you guys. I removed /etc/rcS.d/*fbvnc* just to be safe, but i rebooted, calibrated, and connected. |
09:28.44 | Razzle | that's gonna increase the filesize not just a bit I guess |
09:28.46 | kergoth | Com[Plex], Cloudchaser: and its working flawlessly. ts input, the whole deal |
09:28.56 | rapskat | Razzle: yeah, it will |
09:29.01 | Razzle | damn |
09:29.11 | rapskat | Razzle: you playing from SD or CF? |
09:29.14 | Cloudchaser | ok so you're saying it works fine for you but not for us? |
09:29.17 | Cloudchaser | or you fixed it? |
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09:29.23 | fatbum | hello |
09:29.29 | Razzle | neither, i got my z yesterday and didn't buy and cards yet |
09:29.33 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: not sure if my removing that symlink affected it or not |
09:29.36 | Razzle | I'm playing form RAM |
09:29.38 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: about to reinstall the package and check |
09:29.42 | Cloudchaser | ok |
09:29.44 | fatbum | any get socket errors in opie irc???? |
09:29.48 | rapskat | Razzle: wow |
09:29.59 | kolla | to play video files on zaurus one better rescale them, right? |
09:30.01 | Razzle | (it's just a 10 MB movie) |
09:30.19 | kolla | that is, decode, scale, encode |
09:30.30 | rapskat | kolla: it's better for some flix |
09:30.40 | fatbum | kerg is opieirc broke?? |
09:30.41 | Razzle | it's rather easy with vdub |
09:30.42 | Com[Plex] | would anyone \take a chance, and guess if this japanese z could be flashed with the linux rom? |
09:30.43 | Com[Plex] | <PROTECTED> |
09:30.54 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: 'the linux rom'? |
09:31.04 | Com[Plex] | http://www.sharp.co.jp/corporate/news/020305.html |
09:31.17 | Com[Plex] | hits a japanese z, without embedix |
09:31.25 | rapskat | Razzle: you could try reencoding it for 320x240 with pcm audio? |
09:31.32 | Com[Plex] | <PROTECTED> |
09:31.55 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: certainly could be done. dunno what would be involved |
09:32.13 | Razzle | I'll try.. do you think ogg vorbis works with videos? |
09:32.14 | rapskat | Razzle: if you want, send to me and I can do it.... |
09:32.28 | rapskat | with pre10 maybe, IDK, not with pre5 |
09:32.43 | Cloudchaser | wish i could just buy already z encoded movies ;) |
09:32.59 | Razzle | iAH |
09:33.06 | Com[Plex] | I got a japanese friend who is tempted to buy a Z, but wants to explore his options. - he really wants this one with the camera. and he really wants linux. |
09:33.08 | Razzle | i should've read the description before downloading |
09:33.09 | Razzle | Encode vorbis audio in movies by downsampling sound at 22050 and quality 2 to avoid slow downs |
09:33.16 | Razzle | they support vorbis |
09:33.21 | Razzle | hm |
09:33.28 | Com[Plex] | cloud, whats involved in making a movie encoded for a z? |
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09:33.45 | rapskat | Razzle: that would save a chunk of space...it's even smaller than mp3 |
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09:34.27 | Razzle | hm what do I need to encode a movie with vorbis? |
09:34.32 | Razzle | does vdub do it? |
09:34.33 | I-Ball | woo-hoo, got a POP3 client for OZ and just switched |
09:35.11 | I-Ball | too bad Opera is broke...oh well, konq works |
09:36.53 | rapskat | Razzle: is oyur main box windows then? |
09:37.08 | Razzle | both |
09:37.19 | Razzle | running win atm |
09:37.26 | rapskat | Razzle: for linux, I would suggest mplayer/mencoder |
09:37.26 | Com[Plex] | why would anyone want to use pop3 on the z? wouldnt you wanna use imap? |
09:37.44 | Razzle | ok |
09:37.47 | nick__ | why would any one want to use pop3 ever |
09:38.08 | nick__ | imap is much nice imo |
09:38.22 | I-Ball | not if your mail provider doesn't have it (friggin' T-Online monopy!) |
09:38.32 | I-Ball | monopoly, even |
09:38.54 | nick__ | humm run my own mail server so i can have whatever services i want :P |
09:38.55 | kergoth | Com[Plex], Cloudchaser: i just installed that ipk without changing anything |
09:39.02 | Cloudchaser | and it worked? |
09:39.10 | Cloudchaser | calibrated and all? |
09:39.13 | kergoth | Com[Plex], Cloudchaser: rebooted, calibrated as the first thing i did with the touchscreen, then started a vnc server, and it works flawlessly |
09:39.24 | Cloudchaser | doesn't work for me |
09:39.29 | Com[Plex] | WOOHOO! |
09:39.38 | Cloudchaser | unless you made a change |
09:39.42 | kergoth | nope |
09:39.43 | Com[Plex] | wait.. the same one I was trying yesterday? |
09:39.44 | kergoth | same packge |
09:39.46 | Cloudchaser | Com[Plex]: you got it tow ork? |
09:39.47 | kergoth | exact same ipk |
09:39.51 | kergoth | here are the steps |
09:39.54 | Com[Plex] | wtf? |
09:39.58 | kergoth | to ensure you're at a clean slate |
09:40.01 | kergoth | killall tssimd |
09:40.04 | Com[Plex] | k |
09:40.10 | kergoth | rm /etc/*tss* |
09:40.17 | Cloudchaser | ok but it was never running |
09:40.20 | kergoth | reboot |
09:40.32 | kergoth | first time you use teh touchscreen, calibrate |
09:40.38 | kergoth | then check the process list |
09:41.52 | Com[Plex] | wait. at wich point do we install the ipk? |
09:42.33 | kergoth | before reboot in that step |
09:42.39 | kergoth | remove the calibration file |
09:42.40 | kergoth | install ipk |
09:42.44 | kergoth | reboot immediately after |
09:42.50 | Com[Plex] | k |
09:42.51 | kergoth | calibrate as first thing you do with the touchscreen |
09:42.54 | kergoth | upper left, lower right |
09:43.02 | kergoth | then check process list, ensure tssimd is running |
09:43.07 | Com[Plex] | uno momento |
09:43.10 | kergoth | if so, run a vnc server, then test |
09:43.10 | kergoth | k |
09:43.17 | Cloudchaser | ok keroght i had no proccess killed and i don't have that /etc file |
09:43.22 | chouimat | FreeBSD-5.0-DP2 is out |
09:43.27 | kergoth | haha, our sysvinit package built with gcc3.2 is .. 3 megs! |
09:43.28 | kergoth | eek |
09:43.41 | Cloudchaser | rebooting now |
09:44.33 | I-Ball | shit thats big |
09:44.33 | kergoth | I-Ball: it must have statically linked it or something |
09:45.02 | I-Ball | ouch |
09:45.31 | I-Ball | DYNAMIC is today's secret word :) |
09:46.19 | Cloudchaser | ok i rebooted, calibrated, |
09:46.23 | Cloudchaser | no process running |
09:46.50 | kergoth | starts flawlessly here |
09:46.54 | kergoth | no problems whatsoever |
09:46.59 | kergoth | thats pretty strange |
09:47.04 | Cloudchaser | doesn't start here |
09:47.18 | kergoth | yes, you said that already |
09:47.19 | kergoth | at least 3 times |
09:47.27 | Com[Plex] | kergoth, you sure you got the exact same file? |
09:47.29 | I-Ball | what's a good terminal gui to use for connecting to routers and switches with the Z? |
09:47.34 | Com[Plex] | gotta check. |
09:47.40 | Cloudchaser | either that or he's got updated files that we don't have |
09:47.46 | kergoth | eh? |
09:47.48 | kergoth | i'm using an ipk |
09:47.52 | kergoth | either its the same as yours, or its not |
09:47.54 | Cloudchaser | i mean on your z |
09:47.54 | Com[Plex] | hmm.. |
09:47.57 | kergoth | ? |
09:48.04 | kergoth | fbvncserver doesnt depend on anythign else in the system |
09:48.06 | Cloudchaser | like i'm using just the stable version of oz |
09:48.07 | kergoth | its independent |
09:48.09 | kergoth | no |
09:48.10 | Cloudchaser | ok |
09:48.17 | Cloudchaser | dunno then |
09:48.22 | Com[Plex] | must be a symlink or something then? |
09:48.31 | kergoth | ? |
09:48.32 | kergoth | no |
09:48.36 | kergoth | all the paths are correct for OZ |
09:48.38 | Com[Plex] | too many nested symlinks or something? |
09:48.39 | I-Ball | didnt someone post a new and improved fbvncserver on the ZSI in past few days? |
09:48.43 | kergoth | I-Ball: yes |
09:48.53 | Com[Plex] | k kergoth.. what could it be? |
09:48.56 | I-Ball | that the you working with? |
09:48.58 | kergoth | I-Ball: we're talking about a version i created based on that with proper paths for OZ |
09:49.02 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: is your tssimd running? |
09:49.32 | I-Ball | oh hell yeah...I'll be your bit...uhhh...guinea pig! |
09:49.34 | Com[Plex] | no, my tssimd isnt starting on bootup. |
09:49.41 | I-Ball | been waitin for oz version |
09:49.47 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: and does S97fbvncinput exist in /etc/rc2.d? |
09:50.00 | Com[Plex] | let me check. |
09:50.01 | kergoth | I-Ball: email? |
09:50.18 | I-Ball | iball@intrstar.net |
09:50.36 | Cloudchaser | doesn't exist in mine |
09:50.52 | Com[Plex] | wtf |
09:50.55 | kergoth | thats why it isnt starting. |
09:50.59 | I-Ball | IIRC there was aone |
09:51.01 | Com[Plex] | hang on. I got another issue here. |
09:51.07 | kergoth | does /etc/default/functions exist? |
09:51.23 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: email addy? i'm resending the ipk, the identical one i'm using |
09:51.30 | I-Ball | IIRC there was thread on ZZ about tssimd and how to fix it |
09:51.40 | Cloudchaser | yes mine does work |
09:51.41 | kergoth | I-Ball: just be quiet until you understand the entirety of hte situation |
09:51.44 | I-Ball | to get fbvncserver running |
09:51.48 | Cloudchaser | can you send it to me too kergoth? |
09:51.51 | I-Ball | ok |
09:51.55 | Cloudchaser | i'll uninstall and re-install |
09:51.56 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: yep, I am doing so |
09:52.02 | Cloudchaser | thank you |
09:52.26 | kergoth | I-Ball, Cloudchaser, Com[Plex]: sent |
09:52.47 | I-Ball | checking.... |
09:53.20 | I-Ball | got it...cranking samba now |
09:53.35 | Com[Plex] | kergoth, Im having issues with this ipk. Im not seeing it from my sd card.. trying something else. aqpkg might be seeing the wrong ipk.. hmm.. |
09:53.51 | kergoth | I-Ball, Cloudchaser, Com[Plex]: proper install procedure: remove /etc/*tss*, killall tssimd, ipkg remove fbvncserver fbvncserver-oz; ipkg install new package, then reboot, immediately upon seeing opie, calibrate. upper left, lower right. then run the vnc server and test. |
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09:54.19 | kergoth | hey prpplague |
09:54.22 | I-Ball | lemme write that down |
09:54.27 | prpplague | kergoth: lo |
09:54.37 | prpplague | kergoth: what's burnning at digi today? |
09:54.56 | kergoth | same shit as always |
09:54.57 | kergoth | you? |
09:55.12 | treke | anyone know what the real licensing is on qtmail? I doubt its gpl |
09:55.21 | kergoth | no idea |
09:55.41 | prpplague | kergoth: dd if=/tmp/yesterday of=/dev/today |
09:55.49 | kergoth | yeeap |
09:56.05 | Com[Plex] | kergoth, Ive been trying to install to SD |
09:56.34 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: i know what the problem is |
09:56.42 | treke | hmm. zmoney looks nifty |
09:56.48 | Com[Plex] | I should install to root? |
09:56.49 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
09:56.57 | kergoth | its not returning true on -x as its a symlink |
09:57.04 | kergoth | i'll change that to -e, check for existance |
09:57.05 | Com[Plex] | lol |
09:57.14 | kergoth | it works fine in flash |
09:57.15 | kergoth | confirmed, tested |
09:57.23 | kergoth | I'll correct that and upload into the unstable feed |
09:57.44 | chouimat | insanity is hereditary. you get it from kids |
09:58.33 | Cloudchaser | ok i was trying to install to sd also |
09:59.06 | Com[Plex] | hpkg_run_script:'/mnt/card/usr/lib/ipkg/info/fbvncserver.postinst.configure' failed : illegal seek |
09:59.14 | Com[Plex] | this is whwhn I install to root |
09:59.17 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: harmless |
09:59.28 | Com[Plex] | k |
09:59.45 | Cloudchaser | so..wait or install to root? |
09:59.51 | I-Ball | k, works for me :) THANKS! |
09:59.55 | kergoth | I-Ball: np |
10:00.16 | chouimat | kergoth: ETA for QT3 in OZ |
10:00.18 | I-Ball | your instructions will be a BITCH for noobs tho |
10:00.32 | I-Ball | :) |
10:00.38 | Com[Plex] | kergoth, what file needs that changed from -x to -e? |
10:00.39 | kergoth | eh? |
10:00.42 | kergoth | they arent required |
10:00.52 | kergoth | that was just to ensure things were in a sane state, as you're testing |
10:00.53 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: postinst |
10:00.57 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: and startup script both |
10:00.57 | Com[Plex] | postinst? |
10:00.59 | Com[Plex] | k |
10:01.14 | I-Ball | cool....chatting on the Z via wireless and using my pc keyboard |
10:01.24 | Cloudchaser | ok i did your instsructions and the icons are still on the desktop for vnc |
10:01.39 | kergoth | eh? |
10:01.43 | kergoth | of course the icons are there |
10:01.53 | I-Ball | nice that it doesn't crash under the load of BOTH VNC and opie chat |
10:01.54 | Cloudchaser | the uninstall instructions |
10:02.03 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: ipkg remove doesnt update opie |
10:02.05 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: aqpkg does |
10:02.22 | I-Ball | bbiab |
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10:02.37 | Cloudchaser | ok so i need to go delete those manually |
10:02.39 | kergoth | no |
10:02.44 | kergoth | just restart opie |
10:02.48 | kergoth | those files dont exist |
10:02.55 | Cloudchaser | ok |
10:02.56 | kergoth | the launcher just hasnt refreshed its links |
10:03.39 | Com[Plex] | okay, isntalling now with new change |
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10:06.01 | Com[Plex] | corection, grabbinbg file to install with. lol |
10:07.00 | Cloudchaser | ok is new one on unstable feed then? |
10:07.03 | Pendalar | oss vs qsound v sound.h ... |
10:07.21 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: updating the feeds now |
10:07.34 | Cloudchaser | oki |
10:08.06 | Cloudchaser | and the change allows it to be installed to sd card? |
10:08.21 | kergoth | yep |
10:08.27 | Cloudchaser | you guys are awesome |
10:08.29 | Cloudchaser | thank you |
10:08.56 | Com[Plex] | k. instaling now.. chug chug chug chug |
10:09.16 | Com[Plex] | I dont know why the aqopkg isnt seeing my ipks on the sd card. |
10:09.18 | Com[Plex] | weird |
10:09.33 | Cloudchaser | i had that happen yesterday |
10:09.47 | Cloudchaser | after i shut off the media mount |
10:09.54 | Com[Plex] | rebooting |
10:10.02 | Pendalar | anyone use qsound? |
10:10.10 | Cloudchaser | i ended up reinstalling the media mount with the same version and that did the trick |
10:10.31 | Com[Plex] | shit, im late for lunch! |
10:11.04 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: fbvncserver is in unstable |
10:11.19 | Cloudchaser | thanks i will get it now ;) |
10:11.29 | kergoth | thanks, let me know if it works for you |
10:11.38 | Com[Plex] | damnit |
10:11.41 | Com[Plex] | still no tssimd |
10:11.42 | Cloudchaser | i will |
10:11.51 | Cloudchaser | hmmm |
10:12.29 | Razzle | rapskat: I resized the movie and converted the sound to 22 khz (mp3, somehow couldn't manage to convert to vorbis). it runs better now, the sound is a bit slower than the movie though. I guess it needs some tweaking but that's at least something |
10:13.00 | Cloudchaser | whats libvncserver kergoth? |
10:13.16 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: its only for development |
10:13.29 | kergoth | i forgot to remove 'libvncserver', it should be 'libvncserver-dev' |
10:13.33 | Cloudchaser | k |
10:13.49 | rapskat | Razzle: I was reading and it seems that stereo mp3 is too much for the Z |
10:14.02 | rapskat | Razzle: if you use mono it should run better |
10:14.18 | Razzle | :( |
10:14.35 | Cloudchaser | grr i got error from feed |
10:14.55 | Razzle | maybe if i get vorbis running it might work with stereo, what do you think? |
10:15.00 | rapskat | Razzle: or you could use pcm (wav) format... |
10:15.10 | Cloudchaser | failed to download fbvnc |
10:15.23 | Razzle | yeah then I'll need a big CF card |
10:15.27 | kergoth | s/fbvnc/fbvncserver/? |
10:15.37 | rapskat | Razzle: from what I read vorbis works great, but it is a pia to convert |
10:15.56 | rapskat | check here for more info: http://www.zeb.uklinux.net/encoding.html |
10:15.58 | Razzle | i couldn't manage with vdub so I'll try mencoder later |
10:17.20 | Cloudchaser | i needed to refresh my list |
10:17.22 | rapskat | Razzle: I stream all of my flix from my main box using samba, so size itsn't much of an issue for me ;-) |
10:17.28 | Pendalar | ugh |
10:17.45 | Pendalar | I need another CF card.. qtopia desktop keeps crashing reading all the gcc files |
10:17.55 | Razzle | I don't have a fast enough connection for video streaming while i'm not at home (16 kb/s up) :( |
10:19.34 | Cloudchaser | taking a while to download it |
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10:20.24 | Cloudchaser | Com[Plex]: did you have any luck? |
10:21.18 | Cloudchaser | aqpkg locked up on me |
10:21.30 | Cloudchaser | then opie crashaed when i said to kill it |
10:21.42 | kergoth | opie always crashes when you tell it to kill an app |
10:21.44 | kergoth | known bug |
10:21.47 | kergoth | annoying |
10:22.24 | Cloudchaser | great |
10:22.34 | treke | that hasnt been fixed yet? |
10:22.34 | Razzle | afk |
10:22.39 | kergoth | treke: not afaik |
10:22.41 | Cloudchaser | apprently not |
10:22.54 | treke | weird. Sandman sounded like he know what the problem was :) |
10:23.04 | kergoth | maybe it is, dunno |
10:23.08 | kergoth | I'll try today's cvs in a few |
10:23.37 | sandman_ | had no time to look at this yet |
10:23.50 | treke | ah |
10:24.05 | Cloudchaser | don't seem to have any luck downloading it kergoth |
10:24.10 | Cloudchaser | i'll try from my pc |
10:30.41 | Com[Plex] | sorry I dissapeared like that, I had to take my kids up to lunch |
10:31.05 | Cloudchaser | :) |
10:31.10 | Cloudchaser | how many kids do you have? |
10:31.36 | Com[Plex] | I installed the fbvnc server with the modified postinst. and still no tssmid when installing to sd. |
10:31.43 | Com[Plex] | cloud, I have 12 this period :> |
10:31.49 | Com[Plex] | im a techer |
10:31.50 | Cloudchaser | oh, lol |
10:31.58 | Cloudchaser | not a spelling teacher i hope ;) |
10:31.58 | Com[Plex] | teecher |
10:32.02 | Com[Plex] | :> |
10:32.16 | Com[Plex] | well. I can spell perfectly. its typing that I really suck at. |
10:32.27 | treke | I knew it. those teachers werent doing anything productive after all :) |
10:32.34 | Com[Plex] | :> |
10:32.45 | Com[Plex] | how far did you get with yorus cloud? |
10:32.48 | Com[Plex] | yours |
10:33.02 | Com[Plex] | I twhere is this new one kergoth made? |
10:33.25 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: unstable feed |
10:33.54 | Cloudchaser_ | 1WOOOHOOO |
10:33.58 | Com[Plex] | uh. IM sorry, I dont know where that is |
10:33.59 | Cloudchaser_ | it works for me! |
10:34.04 | kergoth | Cloudchaser_: sweet |
10:34.06 | kergoth | ibot: oz feed |
10:34.06 | | i guess oz feed is http://www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/feed/ |
10:34.12 | Com[Plex] | what did you do differently cloud? |
10:34.20 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: she used my new ipk |
10:34.23 | Cloudchaser_ | i got the new one from the unstable feed 0 |
10:34.27 | Com[Plex] | ahh. okay. |
10:34.41 | Cloudchaser_ | which btw, locked up the z when i tried to gget it from the feed with aqpkg |
10:34.48 | Cloudchaser_ | i had to get it on laptop |
10:34.54 | kergoth | weird |
10:35.13 | Cloudchaser_ | but hell it works! :) |
10:35.42 | Cloudchaser_ | only biggie now is display problem for tkcApps which is ok til next time i have to do docs |
10:36.57 | Cloudchaser_ | this is great :) thanks so much kergoth! |
10:37.06 | kergoth | no problem, sorry it took so long |
10:37.27 | Cloudchaser_ | i know you're extremely busy |
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10:38.59 | Com[Plex] | testing |
10:39.35 | Com[Plex] | attempting to isntall to sd. |
10:40.31 | Com[Plex] | rebooting |
10:42.06 | Com[Plex] | still no |
10:42.15 | Cloudchaser | worked for me |
10:42.20 | kergoth | works for 3 people so far |
10:42.40 | Com[Plex] | damnit. |
10:42.51 | Com[Plex] | the oinly thing I can think of, is that I made a symlink yesterday] |
10:42.55 | Cloudchaser | i didnt' even look in the processes, i just calibrated and connected and it worked |
10:43.33 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: does /etc/rc2.d/S97fbvncinput exist? |
10:43.50 | Com[Plex] | no |
10:43.57 | Com[Plex] | wait |
10:44.00 | Com[Plex] | rc2.d? |
10:44.03 | kergoth | yes |
10:44.32 | hardwire | <PROTECTED> |
10:44.32 | hardwire | | |__ ___ _ __ | | ___ _ ___ _ __ ___| |__ (_)_ __ ___ |
10:44.32 | hardwire | | '_ \ / _ \| '_ \| |/ / | | |/ _ \ '__/ __| '_ \| | '_ \/ __| |
10:44.32 | hardwire | | |_) | (_) | | | | <| |_| | __/ | \__ \ | | | | | | \__ \ |
10:44.32 | hardwire | |_.__/ \___/|_| |_|_|\_\\__, |\___|_| |___/_| |_|_|_| |_|___/ |
10:44.33 | hardwire | <PROTECTED> |
10:44.37 | Com[Plex] | no. it doiesnt |
10:44.45 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: then you didnt install my ipk |
10:44.56 | Cloudchaser | hello hardwire |
10:45.14 | Com[Plex] | uh... |
10:45.18 | Com[Plex] | okay then... |
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10:45.51 | edgar | what does qpe stand for? |
10:45.59 | kergoth | qpe = qtopia |
10:46.03 | Cloudchaser | Com[Plex]: what is the filename of the file you installed? |
10:46.24 | Com[Plex] | fbvncserver_0.3-2a_arm.ipk |
10:46.27 | edgar | where can i find the api docs for the Config class which is part of qpe |
10:46.33 | edgar | defined in qpe/config.h |
10:46.46 | treke | edgar: qt palmtop environment |
10:46.52 | kergoth | edgar: in the sdk |
10:47.11 | Cloudchaser | ok thats the one i got Com[Plex] |
10:47.17 | kergoth | hmm |
10:47.20 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: i have an idea, hold on |
10:47.41 | edgar | thanks, found it. |
10:48.02 | Com[Plex] | I jsut tried something, I had created a directory called rc.d with a symlink in it for init.d yesterday., I jsut removed it, gonna uninstall fbvnc server and try installing it from the command line using ipkg instead of aqpkg |
10:48.27 | Com[Plex] | hang on. brbr duty calls/ |
10:49.22 | Com[Plex] | k. that was easy |
10:50.19 | Com[Plex] | okay, uninstalling, and reinstLlinfg |
10:50.23 | hardwire | helo all |
10:50.26 | Com[Plex] | = reinstalling |
10:51.46 | Com[Plex] | whats the command to install to sd card from the command prompt? lol. I havent done it before. |
10:52.13 | pez2001 | how do i install oz? |
10:52.55 | kergoth | pez2001: you read the install guide. |
10:52.55 | Cloudchaser | http://www.openzaurus.org |
10:53.14 | treke | ibot, how do i install oz? |
10:53.14 | | Read http://openzaurus.org/oz_website/content/installguide.php |
10:53.29 | Com[Plex] | pezx. you select the appropriate zimage file. grab the oz3 initrd.bin file. put thenm in the root dir of your cf card, pclear out any other files from the root of your cf card, put the cf card in your z. and do the reflashdance. |
10:54.12 | treke | anyone know where the name qt came from? |
10:54.43 | pez2001 | zImage renaming important case sensitive??? |
10:55.05 | edgar | no, but my guess is its not english - where is trolltech? sweden? |
10:55.13 | kergoth | norway afaicr |
10:55.16 | treke | edgar: norway |
10:55.27 | edgar | its must be in norwayish then |
10:55.34 | kergoth | norwayish? |
10:55.35 | kergoth | lol |
10:56.02 | Com[Plex] | pez. uh. I call it zImage, but I dont know if it mnatters if the I is caps |
10:56.36 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: i had an idea. try the -2b package from unstable. |
10:56.39 | treke | pez2001: Follow the instructions to the letter. if it says zImage, use zImage and not zimage |
10:57.08 | Com[Plex] | k. |
10:57.15 | Com[Plex] | wgeting |
10:57.29 | kergoth | k |
10:57.46 | Com[Plex] | quesrtion. should that S97 file appear immediately after installing? or only after rebooting? |
10:57.54 | kergoth | immediately |
10:58.24 | Com[Plex] | k |
10:58.37 | Com[Plex] | this last install did not create one. so IM gettin 2b |
10:58.49 | Cloudchaser | 2b? |
10:59.16 | kergoth | yeah, 2b |
10:59.30 | kergoth | -2b, as in, the revision in the version |
10:59.41 | Cloudchaser | right.. did you make another change then? |
11:00.15 | kergoth | yeah, it doesnt check for the existance of /etc/init.d/fbvncinput |
11:00.34 | kergoth | which is as it should be, because at postinst runtime aqpkg/ipkg-link havent done the symlink back to root yet |
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11:02.36 | kergoth | zaurus: what a creative nick </smartass> |
11:03.06 | noda | Maybe he typed /nick instead of /join or something :) |
11:03.19 | zaurus | :) |
11:04.16 | zaurus | anybody here use enforas spyder CF modem and sharp mobile servies? |
11:04.36 | zaurus | got it running with jabber today hehe sweet |
11:05.30 | Com[Plex] | okay, installing 2b now |
11:05.42 | Com[Plex] | to sd |
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11:06.04 | Com[Plex] | grrr. |
11:06.07 | Com[Plex] | still no S97 |
11:06.22 | kergoth | something is hosed in your system, badly. |
11:06.37 | kergoth | sh -x /usr/lib/ipkg/info/fbvncserver.postinst configure |
11:06.38 | kergoth | run that |
11:06.41 | Com[Plex] | jee. I wonder what. since I havemnt screwed wiuth anything to speak of.. |
11:06.51 | Com[Plex] | sh -x? whats this do? |
11:06.55 | kergoth | just run it |
11:06.59 | kergoth | same thing set -x does |
11:07.06 | kergoth | shows commands that get executed |
11:07.08 | Com[Plex] | k |
11:07.33 | Com[Plex] | file not there. |
11:07.42 | kergoth | oh |
11:07.53 | kergoth | sh -x /mnt/card/usr/lib/ipkg/info/fbvncserver.postinst configure |
11:07.58 | kergoth | heh |
11:08.34 | treke | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.29126.png |
11:09.00 | kergoth | egad, how very .. green |
11:09.24 | Com[Plex] | okay looks okay till the end when it says "cannot create /usr/local/lib/X11/icewm/menu: no such file or directory |
11:09.30 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: harmless |
11:09.39 | treke | kergoth: maybe it's just me though :) |
11:09.40 | kergoth | find /etc -name \*fbvnc\* |
11:10.22 | Com[Plex] | how do I do that backward slash? |
11:10.25 | Com[Plex] | \ |
11:11.13 | kergoth | you cant on the hw keyboard afaicr, use an inputmethod |
11:11.59 | Com[Plex] | it looks like its there now |
11:12.17 | kergoth | ? |
11:12.18 | Com[Plex] | it is. |
11:12.21 | kergoth | ipkg runs the postinst scripts itself.. |
11:12.26 | kergoth | are you sure this is 2b? |
11:12.36 | Com[Plex] | yes. I instaleld it with Aqpkg |
11:12.57 | kergoth | cat /mnt/card/usr/lib/ipkg/info/fbvncserver.postinst|grep 'init.d' |
11:13.02 | kergoth | is there a -e or -x test? |
11:13.02 | Com[Plex] | 2b. abnsoluytley positive. I removed all other vnc foles before I did the install |
11:13.17 | kergoth | well itll start next time you reboot |
11:13.43 | Com[Plex] | -e |
11:13.50 | kergoth | eh? |
11:14.11 | kergoth | weird |
11:14.11 | Com[Plex] | cat /mnt/card/usr/lib/ipkg/info/fbvncserver.postinst|grep 'init.d' |
11:14.11 | Com[Plex] | [13:16] <kergoth> is there a -e or -x test? |
11:14.14 | Com[Plex] | there is an -e |
11:14.17 | kergoth | yes, i get it |
11:14.20 | kergoth | and i dont see why |
11:14.28 | Com[Plex] | if [ -e /etc blah blagh |
11:14.34 | kergoth | yes, i fucking got it |
11:14.36 | kergoth | the first ime |
11:14.39 | kergoth | jeeze |
11:14.41 | kergoth | heh |
11:14.43 | Com[Plex] | doh. sorry /me dfucks |
11:14.45 | Com[Plex] | ducks |
11:14.50 | kergoth | dfucks? |
11:14.55 | Com[Plex] | I CANT TYPE! |
11:14.57 | Com[Plex] | lol |
11:14.58 | kergoth | heheh |
11:15.04 | Com[Plex] | plus im on vnc. |
11:15.08 | Com[Plex] | cant irc from work.. |
11:15.57 | Com[Plex] | rebooting the z |
11:17.38 | Com[Plex] | tssimd is running |
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11:24.54 | Com[Plex] | it works |
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11:25.37 | Cloudchaser | cool! |
11:25.41 | ComPlxz | weeee |
11:25.46 | Cloudchaser | so what was the issue in the end? |
11:26.00 | ComPlxz | doesnt look like the postinst ran properly.. |
11:26.02 | ComPlxz | I dunno. |
11:26.41 | kergoth | okay heres the issue |
11:26.46 | kergoth | aqpkg symlinks after running ipkg |
11:26.51 | kergoth | but ipkg runs postinst |
11:27.01 | ComPlxz | it wasnt until I ran sh /mnt/card/usr/lib blah blah fbvncserver.postinst configure that it worke3d |
11:27.03 | kergoth | in other words, when postinst runs, the /etc/init.d/fbvncinput symlink to your sd card doesnt exist yet |
11:27.13 | kergoth | when you ran it again, you ran it after the symlink was in place |
11:27.17 | kergoth | so it linked it |
11:27.24 | ComPlxz | aaahh |
11:27.31 | ComPlxz | so we need a preinst? |
11:27.35 | kergoth | the fix i just put into -2c, it creates the rcX.d links regardless of whether /etc/init.d/fbvncinput exists at the time |
11:27.39 | kergoth | nope |
11:27.45 | ComPlxz | ahhh |
11:27.46 | ComPlxz | cool |
11:28.07 | ComPlxz | okay, Ill uninstall and try7 out this 2c :> |
11:28.10 | kergoth | cool |
11:28.14 | ComPlxz | exit |
11:28.17 | ComPlxz | uh |
11:28.29 | ComPlxz | hnn |
11:28.38 | kergoth | hehe |
11:30.42 | Com[Plex] | now,. do I have to reboot before this S97fbvnc file goes away?> |
11:31.17 | Com[Plex] | after uninstalling. the file still exsists. |
11:31.20 | Com[Plex] | IM rebooting to see. |
11:32.02 | kergoth | reboot wont do anything |
11:32.09 | kergoth | unless you removed with aqpkg, the links wont be removed |
11:32.27 | Com[Plex] | uh.. well how will I get rid of that file? |
11:32.38 | Com[Plex] | and I just did. remove with aqpkg |
11:32.51 | kergoth | hmm, prerm should have removed it |
11:33.09 | kergoth | find /etc -name \*fbvncinput\* | xargs rm -f |
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11:33.34 | Com[Plex] | lol. what the hell is xargs? |
11:33.53 | noda | man xargs |
11:33.59 | kergoth | noda: exactly |
11:34.00 | kergoth | heheh |
11:34.05 | treke | a very useful program :) |
11:34.10 | Com[Plex] | whos idea of a smart move was it to use \*bname\* in the "find" command? |
11:34.20 | kergoth | huh? |
11:34.30 | kergoth | i dont think you understand why thats being done |
11:34.39 | kergoth | find /etc -name "*fbvncinput" would work just as well |
11:34.47 | kergoth | s/t",t*" |
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11:34.55 | kergoth | blah |
11:34.56 | benmeyer | Hey there |
11:34.59 | kergoth | hey ben |
11:35.35 | I-Ball | anybody ever run fbcvnc multiple times? |
11:35.37 | benmeyer | anything new going on/ |
11:35.46 | treke | Com[Plex]: you are escaping the * so it doesnt try doing find <any files in the current directory that mach *bname* |
11:35.57 | Com[Plex] | ahh |
11:36.27 | kergoth | bingo. need to pass * to find, not have the shell doing substitution |
11:36.35 | treke | which will usually be no files :) |
11:36.41 | kergoth | usually |
11:36.47 | kergoth | heh |
11:36.50 | I-Ball | ack |
11:36.54 | kergoth | I-Ball: probs? |
11:37.25 | Com[Plex] | k |
11:38.05 | I-Ball | no, just wondering... |
11:38.37 | I-Ball | take over z with pc, then thru the pc to the z, take over the pc |
11:38.55 | I-Ball | like the nested wine trick |
11:39.03 | Cloudchaser | and you want to do that why? |
11:39.08 | kergoth | I-Ball: i did that |
11:39.11 | kergoth | I-Ball: its funny as hell |
11:39.14 | I-Ball | giggles? |
11:39.17 | noda | Bah, too easy :) |
11:39.25 | kergoth | I-Ball: looks like the infinate recursion when you put two mirrors against one another |
11:39.41 | I-Ball | K: EXACTLY |
11:40.30 | I-Ball | just wondering how many it would take before the z bombs out |
11:40.30 | kergoth | hah, dunno |
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11:41.04 | I-Ball | damn....about an hour to copy my mp3 collection to a new server.. |
11:41.36 | I-Ball | bought a shuttle xpc for use as an entertainment center :) |
11:42.20 | Com[Plex] | k |
11:42.27 | Com[Plex] | installing |
11:43.04 | I-Ball | are youse guys still playing kergoth's fbvnc ipk? |
11:43.22 | I-Ball | playing WITH rather |
11:43.55 | Com[Plex] | no luck kergoth |
11:44.05 | Com[Plex] | yes iball |
11:44.38 | I-Ball | i don't get it....i got it working in like five minutes... |
11:45.22 | Com[Plex] | did you use the aqpkg t install it? |
11:45.47 | Com[Plex] | I can make it work in two seconds. by running fbvncserver.postinst configure now |
11:45.53 | I-Ball | i just followed K's quick install he wrote here |
11:46.09 | I-Ball | command line |
11:46.11 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: S97fbvncinput doesnt exist? |
11:46.18 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: cat the postinst, is -e there? |
11:46.26 | Com[Plex] | what we are trying here, is for the ipk to be instlalable from a stock system in one shot. |
11:46.32 | kergoth | right |
11:46.41 | I-Ball | gotcha |
11:46.48 | kergoth | i should reflash so mine is back in a stock state |
11:46.55 | I-Ball | carry on then lads |
11:47.09 | kergoth | i love how in opie you can drop the icon size down on your tabs |
11:47.15 | kergoth | great when your app list is too damn long |
11:47.29 | Com[Plex] | kergoth, S97 does not exsuist. |
11:47.31 | Cloudchaser | hmm there's a post on zauruszone about a guy going to japan, and anther guy posted some pics of things that he wanted |
11:47.32 | Com[Plex] | catting postinsts |
11:47.54 | Com[Plex] | cant find -e |
11:48.04 | kergoth | so it should work.. |
11:48.04 | Cloudchaser | theres a neat looking case pictured |
11:48.21 | I-Ball | hmmm...maybe i should hop a MAC flight to there.. |
11:48.39 | Cloudchaser | i would like to find how to get that case |
11:48.43 | Cloudchaser | its on a string :) |
11:48.58 | Cloudchaser | there's also a head set too |
11:49.23 | Cloudchaser | unfortunately i can't read japanese |
11:49.53 | Com[Plex] | babelfish.altavista.com/tr |
11:49.53 | zaurus | can u send link to pic of case? |
11:50.02 | Cloudchaser | sure |
11:50.04 | zaurus | i got case out of japan |
11:50.38 | Cloudchaser | http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/invboard/index.php?s=9d4c1f5af149af0888766157c39c1807&&act=Post&CODE=02&f=9&t=4620 |
11:50.51 | Cloudchaser | but i'm not sure what store he saw all those things at |
11:51.11 | Cloudchaser | there's one place mentioned there in the first post |
11:51.16 | zaurus | ill send u pic of my case and u can tell me if thats it? it has area where string can be attached |
11:51.40 | Cloudchaser | ok |
11:51.47 | Cloudchaser | you have a link to where you got it? |
11:51.48 | I-Ball | yeah, i really need a case for this thing |
11:51.58 | Cloudchaser | i have a case i got from radio shack |
11:52.00 | Cloudchaser | generic |
11:52.11 | Cloudchaser | its nice for when its in my purse |
11:52.12 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: weird. i'm going to reflash my Z and install it |
11:52.27 | Com[Plex] | k |
11:52.44 | kergoth | man, its nice having fbvncserver working again |
11:52.45 | kergoth | heh |
11:52.49 | kergoth | forgot how useful that was |
11:52.52 | Cloudchaser | its awesome! |
11:53.27 | Com[Plex] | lol |
11:54.02 | Cloudchaser | zaurus: i'm trying to accept but its not coming through |
11:54.03 | kergoth | I'm using my pda as a pda again |
11:54.04 | kergoth | its weird |
11:54.34 | chouimat | kergoth: hehe |
11:54.38 | zaurus | email? |
11:54.46 | Cloudchaser | not sure what that means zaurus |
11:55.06 | Cloudchaser | whats dccchat? |
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11:56.12 | I-Ball | i use mine for everything BUT PIM |
11:56.34 | lsmith | you wipe your ass with your zaurus? ;-) |
11:56.49 | treke | lsmith: why not? |
11:57.02 | I-Ball | scan for rogue wireless at work, portscan new baselined machines, email, chat, Ultima 7 (not with OZ tho) |
11:57.07 | lsmith | can the display handle it? |
11:57.25 | treke | lsmith: compact flash toilet paper roll |
11:57.46 | I-Ball | its a little rough around the edges and the wireless gets in the way |
11:57.49 | chouimat|lunch | I-Ball: playing exult on the Z is not quite as playing on the desktop |
11:57.54 | ljp_work | automatic cf toilet paper roll |
11:58.22 | Cloudchaser | has anyone used zmame? |
11:58.24 | I-Ball | OOOOOOOOWWWWWW! |
11:58.34 | I-Ball | cloud: me |
11:58.36 | Cloudchaser | i see that there's one someone did work on but it doesn't work on oz |
11:58.38 | I-Ball | works fine |
11:58.49 | chouimat|lunch | I-Ball: you had problem with the stylus? |
11:58.51 | Cloudchaser | on oz? |
11:58.55 | I-Ball | LordDevon has recompiled a new one |
11:59.09 | I-Ball | not yet....just reflashed today |
11:59.25 | treke | actually two apps. If it could handle being a cellphone and having some sort of universal store shit here app, I'd be happy |
12:00.12 | I-Ball | then you wouldn't need a bathroom (just store "shit" here app) |
12:00.20 | treke | blah |
12:00.25 | Com[Plex] | time to go home. cya in ten |
12:00.38 | I-Ball | nine |
12:00.44 | I-Ball | eight |
12:00.48 | I-Ball | seven |
12:00.50 | I-Ball | six |
12:00.52 | I-Ball | five |
12:00.54 | I-Ball | four |
12:00.56 | I-Ball | three |
12:00.58 | I-Ball | two |
12:01.00 | I-Ball | one |
12:01.08 | I-Ball | ...you home yet? |
12:01.35 | I-Ball | Farscape season one...here I go. |
12:02.42 | treke | what I'd like is some form of app with a useful searching interface that I can use to store all the miscellaneous tidbits I currently record in the note pad |
12:02.57 | treke | and maybe link them together |
12:03.45 | ljp_work | notesapplet? |
12:03.54 | treke | ljp_work: not quite |
12:04.19 | treke | ljp_work: dont forget the searching part |
12:05.43 | treke | problem is I know a few things I want it to do without knowing how I really want it to work |
12:06.09 | ljp_work | searching part is you looking through the file :) |
12:06.34 | ljp_work | searching through a note? or through the filesystem? |
12:06.42 | treke | ljp_work: searching for a note |
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12:06.53 | I-Ball | Farscape season one-fest |
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12:07.01 | ljp_work | ahh.. hmmm.. |
12:07.02 | treke | the note itself may only be a dozen words, but there would be a lot of them |
12:07.30 | ljp_work | ya like a grep fucntion |
12:08.08 | treke | Maybe it would be easier to describe ( and for me to write ) if I could actually figure out what I want :) |
12:08.22 | treke | what I have ind mine is vaguely wikish |
12:08.54 | ljp_work | fine. searching is you looking through all the files. :) |
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12:10.56 | BigBoss | greetings earthlings |
12:11.04 | xml0 | evening |
12:11.11 | BigBoss | anyone else get spammed by pdapointer.com? |
12:11.23 | BigBoss | which is? |
12:11.51 | treke | BigBoss: not really sure :) You missed that part of this conversation |
12:11.55 | xml0 | a question for you. would it be possible for your contacts app to initiate the dialing of a phone? |
12:12.37 | BigBoss | xml0: I had a watch that could do that years ago by issuing the tones into the receiver, but there is really no way to modulate the tone out of the buzzer on the zaurus |
12:12.42 | BigBoss | is that what you mean? |
12:12.56 | treke | my old nino used to do that also. it rocked :) |
12:13.21 | ljp_work | he wants one app that does everything |
12:13.24 | treke | particularly with its voice control software |
12:13.24 | xml0 | no, I mean by issuing AT commands over IR or bluetooth |
12:13.40 | treke | ljp_work: now you've got the idea :) |
12:13.49 | BigBoss | why do you want to issue modem commands? |
12:14.03 | xml0 | I want to tell my phone to dial the contact |
12:14.33 | BigBoss | the only generic way to do that is by generating the tones |
12:14.53 | xml0 | you can tell just about any GSM phone to dial a number |
12:15.19 | BigBoss | well telling a GSM phone is different than just telling a phone |
12:15.31 | xml0 | sorry. that's what I meant. a mobile phone |
12:15.37 | BigBoss | if you are talking about a specific feature, you could probably beam something to an ir enabled phone |
12:16.14 | BigBoss | if you want tkcAddressBook to have that feature, log it in Mantis with some specifics and we'll check it. |
12:16.28 | BigBoss | I know Max talks to his cell phone over infrared all the time from the zaurus |
12:16.34 | BigBoss | that is how he uses tkcJabber |
12:17.19 | xml0 | ok. I'll do that. cheers |
12:19.59 | xml0 | though I haven't had time to get bluetooth working on my z yet |
12:20.02 | xml0 | need to do that first |
12:20.11 | BigBoss | good luck :) |
12:21.43 | xml0 | works fine on my laptop, but getting it working on an ancient kernel is more tricky |
12:22.54 | Com[Plex] | ... |
12:23.11 | Cloudchaser | heya BigBoss :0 how are you doing today? |
12:23.19 | Cloudchaser | Com[Plex]: did you get it all working, the vnc? |
12:23.56 | Com[Plex] | I have it working yes, the problem is, that it doesnt just work 'ootb' |
12:24.16 | Com[Plex] | its gotta run, from a stock install. run from within aqpkg, and go. ya know? |
12:24.21 | BigBoss | Cloudchaser: not bad, just taking care of business |
12:24.33 | Com[Plex] | itsw running tho. so we are almost there. |
12:24.48 | Cloudchaser | will the changes you make affect someone who doesn't have the same issues? |
12:25.07 | BigBoss | oh, we updated the tkcRadio database, the free version of tkcRadio now has about 7 stations in it. It's a bugger finding ogg stations |
12:25.13 | Com[Plex] | ? |
12:25.25 | Cloudchaser | so is the big list updated? |
12:25.38 | Cloudchaser | it will update on its own on our end, right? |
12:25.42 | Com[Plex] | uh... are you still talking to me or to bb? |
12:25.50 | Cloudchaser | hehe that time bb |
12:25.56 | Com[Plex] | ahh. IM lost. hehe |
12:26.28 | chouimat | back |
12:26.51 | Cloudchaser | Com[Plex]: Well i'll stick with version a since it works :) |
12:27.09 | chouimat | BigBoss: ogg stations exist? :P |
12:27.17 | DaJoker | yes, they do |
12:27.18 | DaJoker | ;) |
12:27.31 | Com[Plex] | cloud, at this point the only thing getting changed is the post inst script. |
12:27.52 | Com[Plex] | it works for you, but anyone who coms out with a stock fresh OZ3 install will not be able to just use that |
12:27.56 | BigBoss | chouimat: yes, just hard to find |
12:28.10 | BigBoss | and at least 1 stopped transmitting in the week between finding it and trying to add it |
12:28.38 | Com[Plex] | they will have to install it with aqpkg, and then run; sh -x /installpath/usr/lib/ipkg/info/fbvncserver.postinst configure |
12:28.42 | Cloudchaser | Com[Plex]: what do i have if not a stock oz install? |
12:28.43 | Com[Plex] | that makes it go. |
12:28.58 | Cloudchaser | i only updated the volume applet |
12:28.59 | Com[Plex] | cloud, stock I mean, without anything else isntalled. |
12:29.13 | Com[Plex] | *sigh* did you use aqpkg to install it? |
12:29.13 | chouimat | BigBoss: any news? |
12:29.17 | Cloudchaser | yes i did |
12:29.22 | Com[Plex] | how many tims did you try installing? |
12:29.36 | Cloudchaser | version a? just once |
12:29.40 | Com[Plex] | did you install to SD? or root? |
12:29.42 | Cloudchaser | all the versions probly 10 |
12:29.44 | Cloudchaser | SD |
12:30.03 | Com[Plex] | something you tried before. left remnants behind that put the symlink where it needed to be. |
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12:30.14 | Com[Plex] | I cleaned up my install. removing that symlink each time. |
12:30.18 | Cloudchaser | oh i see |
12:30.38 | Cloudchaser | i removedd manually alot of things, but not any symlinks, just vnc files |
12:30.50 | Razzle | is there a way to password-protect individual files? |
12:30.52 | Cloudchaser | ok thanks for explaining that to me |
12:30.53 | Com[Plex] | yesterday kergoth said to ln -sf /etc/rc.d ../init.d - did you perform that command? |
12:31.06 | Cloudchaser | can anyone here read japanese? |
12:31.14 | Com[Plex] | I can translate a little. |
12:31.16 | Razzle | my gf can |
12:31.17 | Com[Plex] | link me |
12:31.20 | BigBoss | chouimat: nothing specific to annouceyet |
12:31.21 | Razzle | link |
12:32.18 | chouimat | BigBoss: ok |
12:32.21 | Com[Plex] | bb |
12:32.29 | Cloudchaser | Com[Plex]: no |
12:32.34 | chouimat | shit! 9 weeks before getting that board :( |
12:32.38 | Com[Plex] | the updates to your software. I beleive I do detect a marginal improvement on speed. |
12:32.55 | Com[Plex] | marginal = considerable |
12:33.00 | Com[Plex] | well done |
12:33.09 | Cloudchaser | which ones Com[Plex]:? |
12:33.21 | Com[Plex] | editor, mahjong. uh.. some tohers.. |
12:33.23 | Com[Plex] | others. |
12:33.28 | BigBoss | Com[Plex]: excellent |
12:33.30 | Com[Plex] | mahjong sped up a ton |
12:33.41 | Com[Plex] | no more making coffee while trying to load a new board. |
12:33.44 | BigBoss | yes, I don't see any delayes in mahjongg at all |
12:33.49 | Com[Plex] | takes like two seconds flat. |
12:33.53 | Cloudchaser | cool |
12:33.59 | Razzle | does anyone know if there is a way to password-protect individual files? |
12:34.13 | Com[Plex] | in the zaurus Razzle? |
12:34.13 | kergoth`lunch | Razzle: pgp? |
12:34.17 | Cloudchaser | editor is the one that i'll like the best |
12:34.28 | Razzle | yeah, in the z |
12:34.36 | Razzle | pgp works on the Z? |
12:34.43 | Cloudchaser | have a nice lunch kergoth? |
12:34.45 | BigBoss | there are some other updates to tkcEditor coming, like the wordwrap and possibly some more speed improvements |
12:34.54 | Cloudchaser | that will be great |
12:34.55 | kergoth | gnupg does, but the Z doesnt produce much for entropy |
12:35.02 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: yeah, i did, thanks :) |
12:35.25 | Com[Plex] | cloud, yeah, editor owns. - its kind of ironic, I actually end up using vi more than anything. and Imm allways like 20 changes into it, and saying " Man, why didnt i just use editor?" |
12:36.28 | Razzle | i just need to protect some certain files from someone's eyes |
12:36.30 | Com[Plex] | Razzle: try hiding them. hehe. |
12:36.30 | Cloudchaser | vi on the z is icky |
12:36.30 | treke | try not giving them the z |
12:36.30 | kergoth | busybox vi is crap |
12:36.30 | Com[Plex] | bury them, and rename them to .filename |
12:36.39 | Com[Plex] | kergoth. Im used to it. therefore I use it. |
12:36.48 | Razzle | i have to give away the z and hiding them won't do the job I think |
12:36.50 | Razzle | hm |
12:36.52 | Com[Plex] | I dont feel like trying to learn yet another viewer. |
12:37.04 | Com[Plex] | why would you want to leave files on a z your giving away? |
12:37.13 | Com[Plex] | viewer = editor. |
12:38.08 | Cloudchaser | delete them or copy them to your pc and then delete them |
12:38.11 | Razzle | they're pictures I want to show to someone but someone else sometimes gets his (her) hands on my z so I want to make sure she won't see them |
12:38.17 | Com[Plex] | raz : if you want to leave your files on a z your giving away. you are joining the "I got no idea what your talking about club" |
12:38.32 | Cloudchaser | put them on a cf card |
12:38.39 | treke | Razzle: just use the password locking app thingy |
12:38.39 | Com[Plex] | raz. then change the name to .filename |
12:38.47 | Com[Plex] | put a . in front of the name and they dissapear |
12:38.54 | Razzle | I know |
12:39.02 | Razzle | they still can be listed |
12:39.02 | Com[Plex] | bury then in something like /usr/lib/ipkg/info/lists or something |
12:39.03 | Razzle | anyway |
12:39.11 | Razzle | maybe that's a bit too much security |
12:39.15 | Com[Plex] | lol |
12:39.56 | Cloudchaser | or if you're that worried..don't put them on the z |
12:40.20 | Razzle | but I COULD encrypt them with gnupg, right? |
12:40.43 | Razzle | just curious |
12:40.45 | treke | yes |
12:40.55 | Razzle | ok |
12:41.01 | Razzle | thx |
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12:43.27 | Bovine | ibot xcompile |
12:43.27 | | rumour has it, xcompile is see oz toolchain |
12:43.31 | benmeyer | Is the liquid sytle commercial? |
12:43.39 | Bovine | ibot toolchain |
12:43.39 | | it has been said that toolchain is at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/Toolchains |
12:43.40 | kergoth | benmeyer: ? |
12:43.55 | benmeyer | Someone changed it on killefiz to Commercial |
12:44.09 | benmeyer | aprrove/disaprove etc |
12:44.17 | kergoth | dunno what license it is, but the source is avail |
12:44.27 | BigBoss | liquid is gpl |
12:44.30 | treke | benmeyer: its gpl |
12:44.33 | kergoth | heh |
12:44.36 | kergoth | :) |
12:45.04 | benmeyer | I think that is dual |
12:45.21 | benmeyer | I doubt it is as good |
12:45.26 | benmeyer | Sharp probably fixed bugs. |
12:45.38 | treke | but thats mainly based off its nonexistance in the sf source tree |
12:45.47 | kergoth | treke: its in the sf source tree |
12:45.52 | kergoth | treke: in the Attic. it was cvs rm'd |
12:46.03 | treke | kergoth: oh |
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12:51.03 | Com[Plex] | hey kergoth: did you flash your z to stock? |
12:51.22 | Com[Plex] | I got a question. |
12:51.25 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: nah, relaxing a bit, am on my lunch |
12:51.39 | Com[Plex] | oh.. well. I coudl wait till after. |
12:53.46 | Com[Plex] | actually. breifly. : in the postinst script, here it says "if [ -e /etc/init.d/fbvncserver ]; then, if its having a hard time finding that link, couldn yuo ditch the if part entirely? like. why bother if its there or not. why not just do it anyway? |
12:54.06 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: huh? |
12:54.07 | Com[Plex] | let me guess.. if its not there, it wont run |
12:54.14 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: it doesnt do that if in -2c |
12:54.26 | Com[Plex] | uh.. really.. |
12:54.29 | Com[Plex] | hang on. let me see |
12:54.40 | Com[Plex] | omg |
12:56.46 | Com[Plex] | what is this x11 stuff for anyway? |
12:57.05 | kergoth | ? |
12:57.13 | Com[Plex] | echo "prog \"VNC server\" vncserver vncserver_x11" >> /usr/local/lib/X11/icewm/menu |
12:57.24 | kergoth | the fbvncserver works all the time |
12:57.29 | kergoth | whether in console, x, opie, what have you |
12:57.32 | Com[Plex] | ahh |
12:57.39 | kergoth | that adds a menu item to the icewm menu |
12:57.51 | kergoth | but i need to put that within an if [ -e /usr/lib/X11/icewm/menu ] or something |
12:57.58 | kergoth | somethign like that |
12:57.59 | Com[Plex] | ahh. yes.. |
12:58.12 | kergoth | that'll silence those errors |
12:58.17 | Com[Plex] | I can do that right now. |
12:58.27 | kergoth | we can just comment that stuff out for now, as i dont have a means of testing it atm anyway |
12:58.39 | kergoth | and we should be using the debian menus system for menu stuff anyway |
12:59.45 | Com[Plex] | hmm. |
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13:11.46 | kergoth | benmeyer: /window 12 |
13:11.47 | kergoth | er |
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13:21.07 | ljp_work | great googli moogli! |
13:21.52 | chouimat | ljp_work: google's god? |
13:22.34 | BigBoss | chouimat: we are getting some Symphony X stuff as giveaways from progrock.com soon |
13:22.53 | BigBoss | some tour posters and the live album |
13:23.13 | chouimat | BigBoss: Steven Wilson is appering on the new Opeth album |
13:23.58 | BigBoss | oh cool |
13:24.12 | BigBoss | did you hear Gildenow on the new Flower Kings? |
13:24.17 | chouimat | BigBoss: and he produced the album with them |
13:24.19 | BigBoss | the main dude from Pain of Salvation |
13:24.25 | chouimat | BigBoss: no |
13:24.47 | BigBoss | the darn CD is over 2 hours |
13:24.49 | BigBoss | 2 CD's |
13:24.54 | chouimat | BigBoss: did you receive the odyssey? |
13:25.36 | BigBoss | not yet - might be in my PO box though, I haven't been to check in a few days |
13:25.44 | BigBoss | chouimat: are you near Toronto? |
13:26.07 | chouimat | BigBoss: yup. Quebec City :P |
13:26.29 | BigBoss | have you hear about this Real World Linux expo coming up in April? |
13:26.38 | chouimat | no |
13:26.57 | ljp_work | my high school drummers current band http://www.singularitymusic.com/sounds.html |
13:27.50 | BigBoss | www.realworldlinux.com |
13:28.06 | BigBoss | i'm thinking about doing a booth there |
13:28.17 | chouimat | cool |
13:28.27 | BigBoss | but I don't know with all those crazy canadians running around - they are mad, MAD I tell you :) |
13:28.52 | chouimat | yup toronto inhabitant don't know how to drink |
13:29.12 | chouimat | and montrealers too |
13:29.39 | chouimat | oufff! noda not here |
13:29.52 | BigBoss | I can get air fare for about $400 round trip, which doesn't seem terribly bad |
13:30.06 | chouimat | BigBoss: very good |
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13:30.51 | BigBoss | I can probably get it cheaper hunting around. I'm just so adverse to spending any money whatsoever |
13:31.10 | BigBoss | then I've got to do brochures and products for the show |
13:31.14 | BigBoss | yikes - it just never ends |
13:32.01 | chouimat | BigBoss: haha. I don't like to spend money too. My ex-wife spended my pay check faster than me drinking 24 beers |
13:32.19 | Cloudchaser | hey neo, you by chance here? |
13:33.47 | BigBoss | oh boy, that oil tanker off of spain has totally sunk |
13:33.51 | BigBoss | that is going to be a nightmare |
13:34.08 | chouimat | BigBoss: yup |
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13:34.30 | treke | an oil tanker sunk? |
13:34.38 | noidd | yeah - 70,000 tonnes |
13:34.38 | BigBoss | http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,70813,00.html |
13:34.49 | BigBoss | this is gonna make the Exxon Valdez look like a picnic |
13:34.51 | noidd | we've had live feed of it sinking for days |
13:35.14 | noidd | its funny - cos ports in every country refused it entry |
13:35.42 | BigBoss | so now the problem will be millions of times worse |
13:35.48 | noidd | then a portugese battleship pushed it into international waters off spain where it broke up in bad weather |
13:35.58 | noidd | the spanish *HATE* the portugese right now :-) |
13:36.02 | BigBoss | that thing sinks and if the tanks don't totally rupture immediately, it will leak slowly for years |
13:36.21 | BigBoss | it was Bahammas flagged - I didn't know they exported oil from teh bahamas |
13:36.29 | noidd | its twice to three times the exon valdese |
13:37.09 | BigBoss | pretty stupid of portagal since most of their country is coast line |
13:37.24 | ljp_work | havent the spanish always hated the portugese? |
13:37.30 | noidd | they wanted to make sure it sunk in someone elses waters |
13:37.33 | noidd | and they succeeded |
13:38.22 | ljp_work | thats not crude oil either, its fuel oil |
13:38.33 | noidd | yup |
13:38.59 | BigBoss | well, I suppose they could burn it off |
13:39.15 | BigBoss | don't they have some parasites or something that eat oil? |
13:39.15 | noidd | I grew up on the Cleddau river, which is the third largest deep water harbour in the world |
13:39.23 | BigBoss | or was that a science fiction story I read |
13:39.32 | noidd | has 5 oil refineries on it - so we saw those tankers - up close - day in, day out |
13:39.37 | noidd | they are *ammazing |
13:40.28 | sandman_ | ibot: sandman |
13:40.28 | | well, sandman is the author of the QPdf PDF viewer or available at mailto:sandman@handhelds.org or doing busybox hacks, or the OPIE programming god |
13:40.28 | noidd | you just cannot describe how big they are |
13:40.28 | BigBoss | yea, they are damn huge |
13:40.28 | BigBoss | I use to sail my boat out to Catalina Island and go by them all the time |
13:41.49 | noidd | very cool |
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14:05.06 | lsmith | anyone use drzblind? |
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14:07.27 | benmeyer | yup |
14:07.42 | benmeyer | anyone know how it works? |
14:08.09 | lsmith | "Tap the gray applet icon on the Taskbar to turn off the LCD. Turn on hardware buttons are [Cancel], [OK], [Up], [Down], [Left], [Right] and [Select]. Other hardware buttons won't turn on the LCD anymore." |
14:08.15 | lsmith | i just cant find the tab |
14:08.27 | benmeyer | I mean programing wise |
14:08.31 | benmeyer | what kernel call |
14:08.34 | lsmith | ah |
14:08.35 | lsmith | :-) |
14:08.38 | kergoth | benmeyer: oh, i could tell you that |
14:08.39 | kergoth | benmeyer: heh |
14:08.46 | lsmith | are you using stock rom or oz? |
14:08.53 | kergoth | lsmith: irrelevant |
14:08.55 | benmeyer | both |
14:09.07 | benmeyer | I have 4 z's :-DF |
14:09.11 | lsmith | kergoth: well i restarted qpe but it still does not show the tab |
14:09.12 | Twiun | cat something > /proc/collie_blah? |
14:10.20 | noidd | ello |
14:10.38 | noidd | sorry, got dragged into a political debate next door |
14:11.21 | noidd | they were talking about gun control |
14:11.23 | noidd | so I shot them |
14:11.24 | lsmith | kergoth: but it simply doesnt show up in any tab |
14:11.25 | noidd | :-) |
14:11.31 | kergoth | noidd: nice. |
14:11.41 | noidd | we try |
14:12.07 | lsmith | is there a way to check or manually add an app to one of the qpe tabs? |
14:12.11 | noidd | oh kergoth, quick one line question... The flags to pass to ./configure for cross compiling to the Z is.... ? :-) |
14:12.13 | lsmith | hmm isnt there an app for that? |
14:12.19 | noidd | been fighting with my compiler all day |
14:12.22 | kergoth | noidd: --host=arm-linux --build=x86-linux |
14:12.57 | lsmith | doh! |
14:13.00 | lsmith | its in the taskbar |
14:13.16 | lsmith | narf ... |
14:13.49 | lsmith | so now i am one step closer to making my zaurus a decent portable music player |
14:14.02 | noidd | kergoth: its not picking up the fact its a cross compiler |
14:14.09 | lsmith | but now i have the problem that any key activates the screen |
14:14.15 | kergoth | noidd: then you need to set CC, CXX, LD, et cetera |
14:14.16 | lsmith | which means i cant put the thing in my pocket |
14:14.21 | bipolar | kergoth: I give up. KDE just won't build. I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong. |
14:14.28 | noidd | ah ha! |
14:14.30 | noidd | thanks :-) |
14:14.51 | lsmith | anyone know an app that can help me there ... like some app that locks the keys unless you press a special key kombo .. |
14:14.59 | noidd | kergoth: do you use the rpmed compiler environment or the toolchain in /usr/local/arm |
14:14.59 | noidd | ? |
14:15.23 | noidd | <PROTECTED> |
14:15.32 | noidd | doh, i just realised how stupid that question was :-) |
14:15.40 | kergoth | hehe |
14:15.48 | noidd | was probably you that packaged this one |
14:15.53 | noidd | ibot, oz toolchain? |
14:15.53 | | i guess oz toolchain is http://www.openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/, or mkdir /usr/local/arm and extract them in there. |
14:15.57 | kergoth | nah, the 2.95 one was done by erikm |
14:16.02 | kergoth | the 3.2 toolchain there i built |
14:16.10 | noidd | kergoth: any docs for those - couldn't find any refernce to it on the website |
14:16.19 | kergoth | noidd: docs what docs? |
14:16.22 | kergoth | *ahem* |
14:16.27 | kergoth | tar zxvf cross-2.95.3.tar.bz2 |
14:16.31 | kergoth | ... |
14:16.38 | kergoth | export PATH=/usr/local/arm/2.95.3/bin:$PATH |
14:16.44 | kergoth | </instructions> |
14:17.16 | noidd | yeah - except that still doesn't stop configure using /usr/bin/gcc |
14:17.33 | kergoth | i just told you |
14:17.35 | kergoth | set CC |
14:17.41 | kergoth | export CC=arm-linux-gcc; |
14:17.49 | kergoth | ./configure --host=arm-linux --build=x86-linux |
14:17.50 | kergoth | done |
14:17.55 | noidd | ok, lets get that a go |
14:18.13 | kergoth | as i said, you need to set CC, CXX, LD, STRIP, et cetera |
14:18.32 | noidd | any idea where I would find a list of those env variable |
14:18.38 | noidd | since I don't know what the etc would be |
14:18.42 | kergoth | they arent standard. |
14:18.48 | kergoth | its dependent on the buildsystem in question |
14:19.11 | noidd | ugh, ok - i'll see what I can fight with |
14:19.21 | noidd | i'll let you know how it goes (or doesn't) |
14:19.33 | kergoth | hehe |
14:19.33 | kergoth | k |
14:23.41 | noidd | creating an environment variable for every binary in 2.95/bin |
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14:34.36 | Com[Plex] | lol |
14:35.36 | Com[Plex] | *bonk* |
14:36.12 | Com[Plex] | sup kergoth |
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14:46.15 | Yolk | have problems with zaurus -> linux-desktop connection, can anyone help? |
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14:46.15 | Com[Plex] | sure |
14:46.15 | Com[Plex] | you got the latest qtdesktop? |
14:46.15 | Com[Plex] | 1.6 |
14:46.33 | Yolk | i don't use qtdesktop at all, the problem is the usb-connection |
14:46.46 | Com[Plex] | got your IPS set right? the desktop should be set for 192.168.whatever.1 and the z should be 200 I think.. |
14:47.37 | Yolk | i set up the correction correctly, but the system hangs after approx. 200kb data transfer to the zaurus, the other direction works |
14:47.47 | Com[Plex] | !? |
14:47.50 | Com[Plex] | erally |
14:48.13 | Yolk | i mean the desktop hangs, not the z |
14:49.05 | Com[Plex] | wow... |
14:49.08 | Com[Plex] | thats sucky! |
14:49.12 | Com[Plex] | anyone wanan take this one? |
14:49.16 | Yolk | i use 2.4.19 with latest usbdnet, but i tried 2.4.20 with usbnet, same effects |
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14:49.31 | CrazyGogo | heyas |
14:49.41 | pez2001 | big files are a problem in my case.... |
14:50.01 | Com[Plex] | after only 200k? |
14:50.03 | Com[Plex] | yikes.. |
14:50.12 | TheMasterMind1 | basically, the problem is that usbdnet is absolute shit |
14:50.15 | Yolk | maximum is 400kb |
14:50.15 | Com[Plex] | from the z to the pc? or vice versa? |
14:50.21 | pez2001 | if it goes above 8 mb its critical although i copied the monster.so3 of dott on a cf without problems ;-) |
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14:50.36 | TheMasterMind1 | there's a patch for usbnet with zaurus capability for the 2.4.prex kernels |
14:50.42 | Com[Plex] | dottt = pwn |
14:50.46 | TheMasterMind1 | if you feel like updating kernels and all |
14:50.53 | Yolk | i mean from pc to zaurus |
14:50.55 | Com[Plex] | very cool game. I played that all the way through |
14:51.13 | TheMasterMind1 | dottt ? |
14:51.22 | TheMasterMind1 | oh, i got stuck after 4 mins of playing |
14:51.24 | TheMasterMind1 | had no idea what to do |
14:51.40 | TheMasterMind1 | and wtf is pwn ? |
14:51.43 | lsmith | are there any good zaurus related ML's? |
14:51.45 | CrazyGogo | hmmm... i cant see any tkc merchandise in the shop.... !? |
14:51.47 | pez2001 | i played every lucas arts adventure thru most of them 2 or 3 times... |
14:52.12 | pez2001 | mastermind : the clock;-) |
14:52.32 | Yolk | no idea to fix this? |
14:52.34 | TheMasterMind1 | i tried the clock |
14:52.36 | TheMasterMind1 | nothing happened |
14:52.41 | TheMasterMind1 | it wouldn't move or anything |
14:52.48 | pez2001 | open clock.... |
14:52.52 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
14:52.53 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
14:53.05 | pez2001 | there you go ;-) |
14:54.09 | Com[Plex] | tmm: pwn is a type of own. own = rules = awesome. ya know.. |
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14:56.17 | kryhme_work | kergoth, you around? |
14:57.11 | Yolk | which 2.5.x-kernel is quite stable and definitly works with the zaurus? |
14:57.18 | pez2001 | is there free space left in the initrd.bin of oz3? |
14:58.18 | pez2001 | and who in hell invented the /opt tree ??? ;-) |
14:58.34 | kryhme_work | linus torvalds |
14:58.39 | kryhme_work | :0) |
14:58.45 | pez2001 | i mean whats /usr/local be for ?? |
14:58.54 | kryhme_work | not really, but he's the only name i know |
14:58.59 | treke | pez2001: usr local is for admin installed packages |
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14:59.00 | kryhme_work | i'm sure it was some dudes at hp |
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14:59.09 | pez2001 | and opt ? |
14:59.12 | pez2001 | <PROTECTED> |
14:59.26 | treke | <PROTECTED> |
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14:59.49 | treke | things like qtopia |
14:59.56 | pez2001 | hmm i dont like this structure.... bloated in my eyes... |
15:00.04 | pez2001 | should be much simpler.... |
15:00.24 | pez2001 | usr/local and opt should be killed..... |
15:00.30 | treke | why? |
15:00.40 | Yolk | is there nobody here with a working zaurus-connection? |
15:00.43 | pez2001 | for a cleaner directory view ;-) |
15:01.12 | pez2001 | or why not /usr/opt |
15:01.12 | treke | <PROTECTED> |
15:01.31 | pez2001 | could also go into /usr |
15:02.06 | pez2001 | i thought its more a location for the users to install their own compiled libs and stuff |
15:02.19 | treke | pez2001: Thats exactly what I said |
15:02.43 | treke | except I group libraries and applications together :) |
15:03.07 | pez2001 | hmmm i just think this local crap could all be in /usr |
15:03.30 | treke | pez2001: /usr isnt necesarrily a local partition. It may be network mounted |
15:03.39 | pez2001 | right... |
15:04.02 | treke | <PROTECTED> |
15:05.17 | treke | pez2001: If its network mounted, you dont necesarrily want to put libraries and applications specific to one machine on it, more than one machine may be mounting it. It may even be read only |
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15:06.28 | pez2001 | i understand |
15:07.04 | pez2001 | i saw the seperation in the installation but i never thought a step further in conjunction with local |
15:08.06 | treke | personally, i dont like or use opt. |
15:08.34 | pez2001 | me either... it all belongs in local or usr |
15:11.46 | treke | I just cludge /opt stuff into /usr/local, which while not necesarrily a good thing, makes a better use of my space |
15:14.07 | ZzzGogo | streaming progrock@128 : http://starstream.musiconnect.com:8000/listen.pls |
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15:15.09 | Razzle | hm I think my Z just crashed..it doesn't react anymore |
15:15.43 | Razzle | how can I reset it without losing data? |
15:16.20 | fierman | just open the battery lid, dont press the reset button, and close the lid again |
15:16.57 | Razzle | ok...booting..... |
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15:17.07 | Razzle | wtf |
15:17.13 | Razzle | ? |
15:17.22 | Razzle | i just got a bunch of error messages on my screen |
15:17.45 | Razzle | directories being invalid and some other stuff |
15:17.53 | fierman | it should boot further? |
15:18.09 | Razzle | yeah it did |
15:18.45 | Razzle | it seems to be alright again. Battery's empty though. That might've been the reason for the crash (while I synced it) |
15:20.08 | fierman | *phew* |
15:20.46 | Razzle | thanks for your help |
15:20.51 | Razzle | I'll go recharge it |
15:24.28 | guised | does anyone know how i can get a background pic to work on OZ |
15:24.34 | kergoth | guised: rtfm |
15:24.40 | guised | ibot faq |
15:24.40 | | faq is, like, at http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/ or at http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/handhelds-faq.html or at http://adorphuye.com/zaurus/java/faq.jsp or at http://www.travellingkiwi.com/zarus/faq/faq.html or at http://www.openzaurus.org/ |
15:24.40 | kergoth | guised: its in launcher settings |
15:24.52 | kergoth | guised: click on all tabs, hit edit, select a background image |
15:24.57 | guised | i did that |
15:25.02 | kergoth | and? |
15:25.04 | kergoth | works flawless here |
15:25.09 | guised | all i got was a clear background |
15:25.10 | kergoth | what format is the image you're trying to use? |
15:25.18 | guised | i tried jpeg and bmp |
15:25.24 | guised | what should i have used? |
15:25.29 | kergoth | jpeg works fine |
15:25.36 | kergoth | the default background is jpeg |
15:25.57 | guised | hmm |
15:26.10 | guised | maybe if i degrade the quality of the jpeg |
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15:26.37 | TheMasterMind1 | maybe its too big in size |
15:27.05 | guised | its 320 240 |
15:29.33 | guised | hmm |
15:29.46 | guised | does it need to be in a specific folder? |
15:30.39 | fierman | ! |
15:31.02 | Cloudchaser | hey TheMasterMind1: where do you get those icons? |
15:31.02 | TheMasterMind1 | fierman: % |
15:31.42 | fierman | oddness |
15:31.49 | TheMasterMind1 | Cloudchaser: http://www.crystalicons.kit.net/downloads.html .. you'll have to install them yourself. edit .desktop files and change what icons are used. or just wait for DaWorm to make a theme/ipks from it |
15:32.06 | Cloudchaser | ok thanks |
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15:47.14 | prpplague | oGMo: lo |
15:47.14 | oGMo | prpplague: hey :) |
15:47.14 | oGMo | prpplague: got em? ;) |
15:47.46 | kergoth | GAH |
15:47.48 | kergoth | today sucks too |
15:48.14 | treke | welcome to tuesday. also known as monday version2 |
15:48.16 | Wintre | Ahh |
15:48.19 | Wintre | There is benmeyer |
15:48.23 | kergoth | monday continued. |
15:48.24 | chouimat | kergoth: got the source of VisualBoyAdvance |
15:48.39 | ljp_work | its all the same day, man |
15:49.10 | oGMo | kergoth: that's _exactly_ what tuesday is |
15:49.14 | chouimat | kergoth: you need vacations |
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15:49.19 | oGMo | Monday: the Sequel |
15:49.22 | Hironimo | :) |
15:49.23 | kergoth | chouimat: yes. this weekend i'm having one |
15:49.50 | chouimat | kergoth: I'm on vacations: Dec 19-January 3 |
15:50.16 | treke | <kergoth> bastard |
15:50.20 | kergoth | heeh |
15:50.21 | guised | i don't get it... why isn't the background coming up |
15:50.29 | kergoth | !dratsab |
15:50.43 | Hironimo | can someone explain me why i need two exclusive dns server for a domain name to have it resolve to an IP? |
15:50.51 | kergoth | Hironimo: ? |
15:51.17 | noda | Hironimo: You don't. |
15:51.27 | Hironimo | yea - when you have a firstlevel domain like somedomain.com and want it to resolve to some ip. |
15:51.31 | Wintre | Strictly speaking you don't. |
15:51.40 | kergoth | Hironimo: no, you dont. |
15:51.41 | noda | Erm. I don't understand the question. |
15:51.42 | chouimat | arrrrrrrrrrggggggggggg snow tomorrow |
15:51.43 | Wintre | For the sake of reliability you should. |
15:51.59 | treke | Hironimo: you want more than one so your domain will continue to resolve should one machine die |
15:51.59 | noda | "firstlevel"? "exclusive"? |
15:52.01 | chouimat | and rain thursday wtf |
15:52.02 | Hironimo | ok, theoretically it would work with one too, but would it work with just some dns server? |
15:52.12 | kergoth | ? |
15:52.13 | Wintre | It's the difference between a technical requirement and a good practice |
15:52.16 | noda | Just some DNS server? |
15:52.18 | Hironimo | hm.. |
15:52.22 | Hironimo | darn |
15:52.29 | treke | Hironimo: It has to be a dns server configured to serve that domain |
15:52.32 | Wintre | No, both must be authoritative for your domain |
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15:52.37 | kergoth | Hironimo: buy a book |
15:52.46 | kergoth | Hironimo: the one i just smacked you with is pretty good |
15:52.53 | noda | Hironimo: You can install BIND on whatever computer you're running right now, register it, and bingo, a day from now you've got a domain. |
15:52.58 | Wintre | Or at the very least read the DNS-HOWTO |
15:53.04 | Hironimo | aha. well i dont want to get expert on it |
15:53.05 | kergoth | hehe |
15:53.08 | noda | (Only real requirement is a computer with a static IP) |
15:53.12 | Hironimo | i'm no network admin |
15:53.21 | Wintre | Hironimo: If you want a domain it helps a lot to understand the concepts |
15:53.29 | treke | Hironimo: then get one to set it up for you |
15:53.30 | Hironimo | i just want to run a server on a public domain |
15:53.31 | kergoth | Hironimo: read the howto at least |
15:53.35 | Wintre | noda: Boo, that's crappy ad-hockery |
15:53.39 | kergoth | Hironimo: i would recommend reading the book, if you want to run it yourself |
15:53.47 | Hironimo | aha |
15:53.47 | treke | Hironimo: or pay somebody to handle it for you |
15:53.48 | noda | Wintre: Heh, works :) |
15:53.49 | kergoth | Hironimo: otherwise pay someone to do it |
15:53.51 | kergoth | exactly |
15:53.54 | Hironimo | aha. |
15:53.55 | Wintre | noda: Boo, that's crappy ad-hockery |
15:54.02 | Wintre | "It works" isn't much of a criterion. |
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15:54.09 | TheMasterMind1 | no, not necessarily |
15:54.12 | TheMasterMind1 | you can use hostAP |
15:54.13 | noda | Yeah, I'm just pointing out you don't really NEED anything. |
15:54.14 | Hironimo | but it will work without dns server for secondary domain? |
15:54.26 | TheMasterMind1 | eh, nm |
15:54.26 | noda | Hironimo: You mean a secondary DNS server for the ONE domain? |
15:54.32 | Wintre | what noda said |
15:54.35 | treke | Hironimo: Most registrars wont let you register without a second server |
15:54.36 | Wintre | Yes, it will work. |
15:54.41 | Wintre | It's a bad idea. |
15:54.46 | treke | at least most of the ones I've used |
15:54.49 | noda | treke: You sure about that? |
15:54.50 | Hironimo | right, thats also like that with mine |
15:54.56 | Wintre | EasyDNS for example will provide you with secondary service |
15:54.58 | treke | noda: Like I said, the ones I've used |
15:55.15 | Wintre | So you can use them as a registrar and they'll slave to your master server |
15:55.21 | noda | Here, let's see, I'm gonna go register apollo-computers.com. |
15:55.23 | kergoth | easyDNS is nice |
15:55.30 | noda | Fuck, it's taken :( |
15:55.34 | kergoth | I have most of my dns run by them atm |
15:55.37 | Hironimo | i also have a secondary name. but thats not pretty. now i got myself a first level domain and want to use it the best way |
15:55.39 | noda | Erm... hrm. |
15:55.43 | treke | reasonably priced. good service |
15:55.46 | Wintre | kergoth: We're using them almost exclusively |
15:55.52 | chouimat | noda: assramingcomputer.com is avalaible |
15:55.59 | Wintre | Hironimo: "secondary name"? |
15:56.00 | kergoth | chouimat: you're always so helpful |
15:56.02 | noda | Hironimo: You *should* have two servers, you can live with one. You don't need more than one domain name. |
15:56.26 | Wintre | assramingcomputer.com isn't even spelled correctly |
15:56.36 | chouimat | noda: they request you have two servers |
15:56.41 | treke | Hironimo: look at it this way. You only need one lung to live. But you have two of them for a reason |
15:56.48 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
15:56.56 | kergoth | treke: nice analogy |
15:56.58 | kergoth | treke: i like that |
15:57.00 | kergoth | heheh |
15:57.03 | TheMasterMind1 | indeed |
15:57.05 | treke | hehe |
15:57.05 | Hironimo | yea. say i've registered mydom.net and i'd create subdomain mypc.mydom.net, could i just enter the ip and thats it, no additional servers needed? |
15:57.10 | Wintre | Hah |
15:57.11 | kergoth | sysvinit hates me |
15:57.13 | Wintre | well put. |
15:57.25 | Hironimo | kreke: i have got it till know why two servers |
15:57.32 | Wintre | Hironimo: No, because you still need a server to be authoritative for mydom.net |
15:57.35 | kergoth | Hironimo: 'create mypc.mydom.net'? |
15:57.36 | Hironimo | thats not the prob. i couldnt provide even one |
15:57.57 | Wintre | Hironimo: go read the HOWTO instead of asking #zaurus |
15:58.01 | Hironimo | hm |
15:58.16 | noda | You could always register your second computer as 1.2.3.4, it won't get queried as long as the first one's up. |
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15:58.18 | kergoth | *ahem* |
15:58.21 | kergoth | Hironimo: RTFM |
15:58.26 | kergoth | heheh |
15:58.29 | noda | Hironimo: You only need two in case the first goes down. |
15:58.29 | Hironimo | ok. where is that RTFM then |
15:58.30 | Wintre | noda: I wouldn't count on that. |
15:58.37 | noda | Wintre: You're right, that'd be a stretch :P |
15:59.03 | Wintre | Ahhhh, RTFM. There are so few who remember that these days |
15:59.20 | kergoth | ibot: rtfm |
15:59.20 | | it has been said that rtfm is Read The Fine Product Documentation |
15:59.28 | noda | You can register both as the same server. |
15:59.30 | Hironimo | so where do i find that manual you spoke about, saw no url |
15:59.31 | kergoth | ibot: emulate kergoth |
15:59.31 | | ACTION mutters about buildsystems and tells people to rtfm or tells ibot to tell people to RTFM |
15:59.39 | kergoth | Hironimo: google is your friend. i'm not going to hold your hand |
15:59.42 | noda | Oh, damn, I take it back. |
15:59.42 | chouimat | Wintre: yup, a nice song from Dick hass BAND |
15:59.51 | noda | Whatever, get yourself two IPs and do some IP aliasing :P |
15:59.56 | Wintre | Hironimo: Your local LDP mirror? |
16:00.03 | Wintre | noda: kludgy crap. |
16:00.07 | noda | Wintre: I agree :) |
16:00.12 | Wintre | Hironimo: google for "DNS HOWTO"? |
16:00.22 | Hironimo | hmm |
16:00.29 | noda | Damn, this sucks that I can't get apollo-computers.com :( |
16:00.31 | Hironimo | sorry. i deserved the flaming i guess ^-^ |
16:00.38 | noda | Maybe I'll have go to for apollo-computers.ca. |
16:00.50 | kergoth | geh finally |
16:00.52 | noda | Bah, that'll be when I actually want business I guess :) |
16:00.58 | kergoth | damn people arent willing to do a damn thing themselves nowadays |
16:01.00 | chouimat | areuH! |
16:01.00 | kergoth | slackers |
16:01.29 | kergoth | chouimat: ? |
16:02.09 | chouimat | fuck! I have no keyboaerd support in the server |
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16:05.13 | noda | Mmm, Back to the Future Trilogy comes out on DVD next month :) |
16:05.21 | DaJoker | chouimat: hehe.. 2.5.47? :) |
16:05.26 | chouimat | noda: TQS |
16:05.31 | chouimat | DaJoker: yes |
16:05.43 | DaJoker | chouimat: heh.. have the same thing.. warned you earlier about it :) |
16:05.47 | treke | noda: yummy |
16:06.00 | kergoth | back to the future trilogy on dvd? |
16:06.01 | chouimat | DaJoker: how do you use it? |
16:06.02 | kergoth | sweet |
16:06.05 | kergoth | i gotta buy that |
16:06.19 | kergoth | 2.5.47 works fine with keyboards |
16:06.20 | DaJoker | chouimat: don't need to "use" the keyboard on my server.. it's a server.. |
16:06.21 | kergoth | if you enable the right options |
16:06.43 | chouimat | DaJoker: I'm setting it :) |
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16:08.28 | chouimat | DaJoker: tried 2.5.48? devfs don't compile under it |
16:08.43 | DaJoker | nope.. haven't//. |
16:08.58 | DaJoker | that would be bad though.. I use devfs on all my servers |
16:11.28 | chouimat | DaJoker: you must enable explicitly the keyboard |
16:11.58 | kergoth | they use the input layer now |
16:12.05 | kergoth | you have to enable the input layer keyboard support |
16:12.07 | kergoth | and friends |
16:12.16 | chouimat | kergoth: just found out :( |
16:13.13 | chouimat | kergoth: unified input subsystem? |
16:13.21 | kergoth | chouimat: yep. input layer is -very- nice |
16:13.55 | chouimat | hmmm I see the possibilties of that for my future embedded works |
16:14.18 | kergoth | chouimat: i already started on a Z keyboard driver for it, never finished though |
16:14.20 | noda | "Automatic rain sensing wiper operation" :P |
16:14.20 | kergoth | never enough time |
16:14.35 | billytwowilly | keyboard driver? |
16:15.27 | kergoth | yeah |
16:15.53 | billytwowilly | sorry, didn't read the previous stuff. thought you were talking about keybaord for the zaurus. |
16:16.01 | chouimat | noda: I want her :) |
16:16.10 | noda | chouimat: Heh, nice perspective :P |
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16:16.46 | chouimat | noda: yup, found it on the net with others pictures of her :) |
16:19.02 | benmeyer | weeee |
16:19.08 | benmeyer | Just got my car back from the shop |
16:19.17 | kergoth | benmeyer: nice |
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16:19.41 | benmeyer | pull the clutch up just 2 inches and the clutch catches and propells the car forward |
16:19.44 | pez2001 | im trying to flash oz3 onto the z.... |
16:19.52 | benmeyer | what fun |
16:19.57 | benmeyer | I can't wait to drive to work tomarrow |
16:19.58 | benmeyer | hehe |
16:20.03 | pez2001 | the lights are flashing all the time ...something wrong? |
16:20.22 | kergoth | pez2001: your card |
16:20.23 | TheMasterMind1 | benmeyer: hey, kinkattalite is extemely slow with my 100contacts.. it just sits there showing them signing on a few at a time and its all laggy and stuff |
16:20.24 | treke | benmeyer: wow. I dont think I've ever seen or heard that phrase before |
16:20.33 | chouimat | kergoth: check the nice perspective email :P (but make sure there is nobody around ;) |
16:20.42 | benmeyer | yah I know |
16:20.51 | benmeyer | once I get to work it wont be as much fun |
16:20.52 | pez2001 | kergoth: ? |
16:20.53 | benmeyer | TheMasterMind1: yah I need to fix that |
16:21.00 | TheMasterMind1 | benmeyer: what causes it do you know? |
16:21.00 | benmeyer | but driving there should be |
16:21.01 | kergoth | pez2001: format the card. fat16. |
16:21.10 | benmeyer | that combined with the new fule injectors.... |
16:21.20 | benmeyer | which by the way cost an arm, $900 |
16:21.42 | benmeyer | TheMasterMind1: yah update upon update |
16:21.45 | pez2001 | kergoth: can i safely turn it off now?? btw i didnt reformat the cf card |
16:21.48 | benmeyer | fixed in kinkatta cvs |
16:21.53 | kergoth | pez2001: i know. i'm telling you to |
16:22.03 | kergoth | pez2001: either thte images are corrupt, or the card is something other than fat16 |
16:23.09 | pez2001 | kergoth: can i safely turn it off now?? |
16:23.14 | kergoth | pez2001: yes |
16:23.44 | pez2001 | ok... the sharp rom has a mkfs.fat16 tool ? |
16:24.13 | kergoth | mkfs.msdos -F 16 /dev/hda1 |
16:25.55 | TheMasterMind1 | benmeyer: oh, awesome. can i compile kinkattalite via cvs? |
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16:27.39 | ZERO_K | is the c700 or c300 zaurus avalible anywhere in the us yet? |
16:28.37 | treke | ZERO_K: no |
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16:28.51 | treke | ZERO_K: And it wont be for a long while if ever |
16:30.39 | I-Ball | did anyone pickup farscape tv show yet? |
16:30.55 | kergoth | farscape rocks |
16:31.01 | kergoth | dvds out/ |
16:31.12 | I-Ball | i know they stopped it due to money, but did anyone else get it? |
16:31.24 | I-Ball | I gots all the dvds out |
16:31.55 | I-Ball | i saw one show and got hooked |
16:31.56 | kergoth | i loved that show |
16:32.07 | I-Ball | 1 mil per episode |
16:32.22 | I-Ball | sparky |
16:33.09 | I-Ball | a buddy of mine is burning the last ones for me |
16:33.35 | I-Ball | so no other network picked it up huh? |
16:34.05 | I-Ball | creighton rocked |
16:34.08 | I-Ball | oh well |
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16:35.44 | I-Ball | i loved the crackers one |
16:36.08 | I-Ball | sleep |
16:36.10 | I-Ball | bye |
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16:38.12 | pez2001 | if i call mount ...it still says vfat... and the format gave barely any output or took time.... |
16:40.12 | TheMasterMind1 | benmeyer: ? |
16:40.19 | pez2001 | kergoth? |
16:40.21 | kergoth | pez2001: of course |
16:40.34 | kergoth | pez2001: 'vfat' can be fat12, fat16, or fat32 |
16:40.39 | kergoth | pez2001: that driver supports all of them |
16:40.45 | pez2001 | ok |
16:41.57 | pez2001 | and format is so super fast? |
16:42.02 | kergoth | ? |
16:42.13 | kergoth | you formatted it when it was unmounted right? |
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16:42.40 | pez2001 | its not too much to do if formating fat but i was very fast |
16:42.43 | pez2001 | hmmmm |
16:42.50 | kergoth | ? |
16:43.42 | pez2001 | i checked it twice ...seems to work..... |
16:44.00 | kergoth | ? |
16:53.33 | pez2001 | should it be set to normal operation before cd reset? |
16:55.09 | pez2001 | kergoth? |
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16:56.08 | pez2001 | it just keeps flashing the light....doesnt work... |
16:58.59 | pez2001 | what could be wrong ... im using a 192mb cf card.... |
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17:01.02 | TheMasterMind1 | 192? |
17:01.04 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
17:01.23 | TheMasterMind1 | pez2001: the card needs to be fat16, and have the two files "initrd.bin" and "zImage" on it |
17:02.21 | pez2001 | so far i did everything kergoth told me.... |
17:02.36 | pez2001 | initrd.bin and zImage are the only files on the cf |
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17:07.54 | JupiterJoe | what could be wrong? |
17:08.06 | JupiterJoe | i getting the binaries again now..... |
17:08.23 | JupiterJoe | i dont believe its the cause but ill give it a try |
17:10.34 | Com[Plex] | hey kergoth |
17:10.37 | SnoozyMoo | nn |
17:10.51 | Com[Plex] | whats new |
17:14.31 | JupiterJoe | how could i do a md5 check on my oz3 roms? |
17:20.05 | JupiterJoe | checksums match perfectly.... |
17:20.25 | JupiterJoe | what in gods name am i doing wrong? |
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18:00.32 | ivan | is the xscale proccessor on the SL-5600 fixed yet? |
18:00.55 | treke | fixed yet? |
18:01.05 | ivan | the cpu was running half speed? |
18:01.20 | treke | ivan: you'll find out when its release :) |
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18:01.35 | ivan | oh |
18:01.41 | treke | as far as I've heard it isnt, but who knows |
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18:11.14 | Neo|Work | ibot SL-5600 |
18:11.14 | | well, sl-5600 is the newest zaurus, announced Nov12. More info available at http://www.sharpusa.com/products/FunctionPressReleases/0,1079,32,00.html and http://www.sharpusa.com/products/ModelLanding/0,1058,1016,00.html and photos available at http://psifertex.com/gallery/sl5600 |
18:14.23 | ivan | meh i need a laptop not a zaurus? |
18:14.30 | ivan | err s/?/. |
18:15.38 | oGMo | i want a wearable computer |
18:16.15 | oGMo | something with a really tiny HUD you'd barely notice and a CPU unit about half the size of the Z |
18:16.19 | oGMo | that'd be nice |
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18:29.52 | DaWorm | mornin' |
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20:05.57 | omoore | anyone here know of a good howto for writing java apps for the Z? |
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20:06.17 | kergoth_ | DIE IN WINTER! |
20:06.22 | kergoth_ | man, i'm in a good mood tonight |
20:06.24 | kergoth_ | heheh |
20:06.26 | kergoth_ | whats goin on people |
20:06.31 | Cloudchaser | hiya |
20:06.43 | Cloudchaser | i'm in a good mood too :) thanks to you ;) |
20:06.50 | chouimat | TABARNACK!!!!! CALICE!!!! CIBOIRE D'HOSTIE DE TABARNACK!!! |
20:06.50 | kergoth_ | hah, glad to hear it |
20:07.05 | ljp | thats inconceivable! |
20:07.07 | kergoth_ | eheh |
20:07.21 | kergoth_ | ljp: You keep using that word. I dont think it means what you think it means. |
20:07.26 | kergoth_ | i should go wtach a movie |
20:07.27 | ljp | :D |
20:07.45 | treke|laptop | its a good night for a movie |
20:07.55 | kergoth_ | the time has come to close your eyes. the time has come to realize. time has come for settling down. from life. this was your life. |
20:07.59 | kergoth_ | if you should die, die in winter |
20:08.01 | kergoth_ | heheh |
20:08.03 | kergoth_ | chouimat: probs? |
20:08.20 | chouimat | that fucking modules don't load |
20:09.06 | chouimat | so I'm rebuilding the kernel with it compiled in |
20:09.45 | omoore | anyone know of a howto for writing a java app for the z? |
20:09.47 | omoore | i know java... |
20:09.58 | omoore | just not for the z |
20:09.59 | ljp | I drink java |
20:10.03 | omoore | heh |
20:10.13 | kergoth_ | yes, drinking java is good |
20:10.23 | omoore | yeah yeah |
20:10.25 | omoore | :-) |
20:10.36 | ljp | twuin is the java dude around here |
20:10.41 | DaWorm | its only an applet right |
20:10.47 | DaWorm | so any applet should run |
20:10.48 | omoore | well.. not sure... |
20:10.58 | omoore | the apps don't look like awt applets |
20:11.04 | omoore | more like swing..... |
20:11.09 | omoore | but dont' know if it's full java... |
20:11.12 | kergoth_ | its not swing, i remember that much |
20:11.15 | omoore | or a sub set... |
20:11.16 | omoore | or what |
20:11.36 | DaWorm | try looking for the jeode site |
20:11.48 | treke|laptop | omoore: go look up personal java |
20:12.04 | omoore | cool.. i'm aware of that... |
20:12.08 | omoore | havn't used it... |
20:12.12 | omoore | but know where to go for that |
20:12.21 | omoore | (personal java that is) |
20:12.32 | DaWorm | t incorporates the Jeode EVMTM runtime engine, a "Sun Authorized Virtual Machine" that is fully compatible with the PersonalJavaTM specification, and supports all PersonalJava 1.2 class libraries, including optional classes. |
20:12.44 | DaWorm | there ya go |
20:12.53 | omoore | cool... |
20:12.55 | kergoth_ | hmm |
20:13.00 | DaWorm | so its ALL Personal Java 1.2 |
20:13.01 | kergoth_ | I've got an adrenaline rush going for some reason |
20:13.06 | omoore | and packageing the software into an ipkg... |
20:13.13 | omoore | er.. packaging... |
20:13.19 | DaWorm | oh that's another lesson |
20:13.22 | omoore | that can be found on the zaurus dev site? |
20:13.22 | kergoth_ | omoore: google for ipkg. first link. |
20:13.31 | omoore | fantastic.. thanks... |
20:14.02 | DaWorm | why not hello zaurus |
20:14.11 | DaWorm | :) |
20:14.22 | kergoth_ | i am your worst enemy. i am of divine descent. i am your apolocalypse. i am your belief and rot. monolithic juggernaut. i'm the illegitimate son of god. stray bullet. |
20:14.39 | omoore | wow |
20:14.42 | kergoth_ | kmfdm |
20:14.44 | kergoth_ | good shit, that |
20:14.47 | DaWorm | hehehe |
20:14.54 | DaWorm | that sounded something like hp lovecraft |
20:14.55 | DaWorm | hehe |
20:14.57 | kergoth_ | hehe |
20:15.05 | kergoth_ | chouimat: nice |
20:18.04 | chouimat | kergoth: did you compile ethernet bridge in your 2.5.x kernel? |
20:18.18 | kergoth_ | let me check |
20:18.20 | kergoth_ | i'm not on it atm |
20:18.44 | rizla | quick q, has anyone got qcopilot running on OZ? and is there a fix for hancom word? |
20:18.57 | chouimat | kergoth: just compiled it as a modules |
20:19.13 | chouimat | I want my tv support damn it |
20:19.24 | kergoth_ | rizla: someone figured out the hancom word problem, expect a resolution soon. |
20:20.20 | rizla | is that the same solution as on the zauruszone site? because my zaurus wont let me flash out from open zaurus to sharp to get the libraries and ipks |
20:20.31 | rizla | it gets stuck in a continuous loop |
20:20.45 | kergoth_ | rizla: no, its not that |
20:20.49 | kergoth_ | rizla: thats a hack, not a solution |
20:21.04 | rizla | kergoth_: sorry, newbie to irc.. |
20:21.06 | kergoth_ | rizla: a real solution is underway |
20:21.08 | kergoth_ | :) |
20:21.27 | rizla | kergoth_: is there any way for me to flash back to the sharp rom again |
20:21.35 | kergoth_ | rizla: rtfm |
20:21.44 | kergoth_ | rizla: theres an faq on the site on flashing sharp |
20:21.51 | DaWorm | yeah, just slam the image file on your cf card |
20:22.00 | rizla | kergoth_: before oz3 it worked always, i have flashed back and forth loads of times. now it refuses to |
20:22.09 | rizla | not that much of a newbie :-) |
20:22.12 | DaWorm | its your card, not oz3 |
20:22.16 | kergoth_ | DaWorm: exactly |
20:22.19 | kergoth_ | heh |
20:22.22 | rizla | you sure? |
20:22.30 | DaWorm | you said it worked in oz3 |
20:22.35 | DaWorm | so flashing works |
20:22.38 | rizla | because the card worked previous to oz3 |
20:22.48 | rizla | now i cant get back to the sharp rom |
20:22.55 | kergoth_ | well, oz3 didnt do a damn thing |
20:23.01 | kergoth_ | flashing oz3 is just like flashing anything else |
20:23.10 | DaWorm | bet you i can reflash my oz3 to sharp now without any problems |
20:23.17 | DaWorm | but that's not a good idea |
20:23.21 | rizla | it gives me mtdblock errors. No i love oz, i am sticking with it, just wanted to rip jeode etc |
20:23.29 | kergoth_ | I've flashed my zaurus at least 500-1000 times to date. |
20:23.50 | kergoth_ | sharp, and a quadrillion variations of openzaurus, from hacked sharp roms to oz running on a 2.5 kernel |
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20:24.01 | rizla | wouldnt blame oz for it, just thought someone might have seen similar symptoms |
20:24.12 | kergoth_ | the lights staying on is indicative of a card problem |
20:24.18 | kergoth_ | you did remove initrd.bin and zImage from teh card right? |
20:24.39 | DaWorm | well i have jeode here, i can just dcc it to you and stuff to save you from flashing, not that everyone approves of that practice here though |
20:25.00 | rizla | the lights are fine. i took the card out as far as i remember :-0 |
20:25.17 | kergoth_ | ? |
20:25.21 | kergoth_ | then whats the behavior? |
20:25.27 | kergoth_ | telling me its a continuous loop tells me nothing |
20:25.29 | rizla | i'll try it without the card |
20:25.35 | kergoth_ | huh? |
20:25.36 | rapskat | #cola |
20:25.41 | kergoth_ | you cant flash from oz to sharp without a card |
20:25.43 | rizla | it gave me mtdblock errors and told me to press control d to continue |
20:25.46 | kergoth_ | i dunno what you're talking about |
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20:25.56 | kergoth_ | you probably didnt full reset after flashing |
20:26.15 | DaWorm | always reset! |
20:26.17 | kergoth_ | yeap |
20:26.24 | kergoth_ | whether the card is in or not when you turn it on doesnt matter |
20:26.36 | Cloudchaser | i had something like that on my sd card after the sharp rom crash i had |
20:26.40 | Cloudchaser | i had to reformat my card |
20:27.03 | rizla | ok. sorry i am a bit stoned but i will start from the beginning. I did full reset. The flash worked fine but when the sharp rom boots i get a menu giving me options for gui and then i get a continuous loop of the sharp zaurus screen... tried reformatting |
20:27.26 | DaWorm | hehe don't flash when you are stoned, no no no |
20:27.33 | rizla | im not so new to linux and i have read everything i can find on the internet |
20:27.38 | kergoth_ | rizla: if it refuses to boot 1) the image was corrupt, 2) card/filesystme problems, or 3) failure to full reset |
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20:27.43 | rizla | i flashed when sober :-) |
20:28.11 | rizla | ok cool, i will go try again step by step..... |
20:28.41 | rizla | thx |
20:28.53 | DaWorm | np |
20:29.18 | rizla | ill use a fresh cf card |
20:29.31 | DaWorm | hmm |
20:29.33 | rizla | and ill report the full error if it happens again |
20:29.45 | DaWorm | why would anyone pay for $5k for a segway |
20:29.56 | kergoth_ | seems stupid |
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20:29.59 | rizla | should ospack be in small latters or caps? |
20:30.07 | DaWorm | im sure you can't even use it in the cities |
20:30.12 | DaWorm | rizla it doesnt matter |
20:30.37 | DaWorm | just slam it in the fresh card as is and flash |
20:30.39 | DaWorm | should work |
20:31.35 | DaWorm | <PROTECTED> |
20:31.35 | DaWorm | Using Segway HT instead of walking increases the area you can cover 50-fold--whether you're working or running errands. Segway HT enables you to accomplish things that were once impractical or impossible on foot. This new mobility will generate economic benefits. |
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20:32.06 | Pendalar | bah you guys know what the latest qt/desktop for windows is buggier than a mofo? |
20:32.08 | kergoth_ | new mobility? |
20:32.15 | kergoth_ | jesus, havent these people heard of a damn bicycle? |
20:32.16 | DaWorm | strange logic |
20:32.16 | Pendalar | the older worked better if I still had the CD |
20:32.17 | kergoth_ | stupid motherfuckers |
20:32.40 | DaWorm | no exercise standing up and get transported |
20:32.41 | DaWorm | hehe |
20:32.51 | chouimat | kergoth: ? |
20:32.53 | omoore | Pendalar: that is the one part of the z that has been very disapointing.. the desktop app |
20:32.55 | kergoth_ | yeah |
20:32.57 | kergoth_ | segway is stupid |
20:33.00 | DaWorm | check it out youself: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/feature/-/414084/103-0513242-0285446 |
20:33.05 | kergoth_ | give me a pair of rollerblades or a bicycle, thanks |
20:33.14 | omoore | Pendalar: silly things like it not remembering the ip of my z (i use 802.11b nic) |
20:33.20 | chouimat | kergoth: sidewalk rage :) |
20:33.25 | kergoth_ | chouimat: hehe |
20:33.32 | Pendalar | it's not that, it finds it, connects to it.. most of the time can install via feeds |
20:33.34 | omoore | Pendalar: the desktop client is absolutely 'B' quality at best |
20:33.42 | Pendalar | but if I just copy something to the documents part.. it dies |
20:33.53 | kergoth_ | omoore: my desktop software is my Z itself viewed through vnc |
20:33.54 | omoore | i am going to get my z syncing with evolution as soon as i get a moment or two |
20:33.55 | kergoth_ | omoore: HEH |
20:34.04 | omoore | kergoth_ me too now |
20:34.07 | Pendalar | might be because the CF has a million documents (gcc) |
20:34.19 | omoore | kergoth_: i sync for safety, but don't use the desktop app at all anytmore |
20:34.28 | kergoth_ | omoore: yup, same here |
20:34.44 | omoore | kergoth_: vnc makes it soo easy.. not to mention you can turn the light off and the z with no light on but... |
20:34.53 | kergoth_ | RAISE UP! everybody, get together, dont be afraid to raise up. |
20:34.56 | kergoth_ | omoore: yup |
20:35.14 | omoore | kergoth_ controled vi vnc wil run for 4-5 hours even with constant 802.11b nic connection |
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20:37.01 | guised | ibot rotation |
20:37.01 | | guised: are you smoking crack? |
20:37.07 | guised | hmm |
20:39.13 | Pendalar | ok that's wacked |
20:39.31 | Pendalar | it doesn't crash when I write to the ram |
20:39.36 | Pendalar | but does when I write to the cf |
20:39.54 | Pendalar | cf has oh.. 100mb free.. so it must not be able to handle that many documents |
20:40.59 | Pendalar | anyone happen to know what the max document limit is that the desktop can support? |
20:41.44 | rizla | Here is the error message i get when reflashing. Cleanly formatted cf card new download of ospack. full reset etc.pd respawning too fast: disabled for 5 mins. Wait 1. q(x) Qtopia a(e) linux console e(e) init 3(ttyso:-free-) and more ttys errors. Followed by Input Key ==> Launch (by q): /sbin/qt qt then i get the zaurus logo then it loops. any ideas? |
20:42.22 | noda | rizla: Sounds like it could be a corrupt image, maybe it wasn't written to your CF card properly. |
20:42.36 | rizla | i tried downloading it a few times |
20:42.41 | noda | rizla: (in which case I hope you've got a CF writer for your desktop computer, or a digital camera or something) |
20:42.51 | noda | Copying from your desktop to your CF you mean? |
20:42.53 | rizla | and have tried both my cf cards. yep i have a usb one |
20:43.11 | Pendalar | brb |
20:43.17 | rizla | i have reflashed many times, just this time it didnt wanna flash back to sharp rom |
20:43.20 | noda | Okay, put your CF card in your computer now and get the md5sum for your initrd. Then compare to the one on Sharp's website. |
20:44.14 | rizla | good call, didn't think of that |
20:44.14 | rizla | noda: just flashing back to rip jeode and hancom |
20:44.14 | noda | :) |
20:44.14 | noda | Yeah, check md5sum. |
20:44.14 | chouimat|bored | hmmm gcc 3.2.1 is anounced on freshmeat |
20:44.14 | rizla | brb |
20:44.19 | kergoth_ | chouimat|bored: goddamnit, just after i built my toolchain? |
20:44.26 | noda | Bah, I won't be upgrading 'til gcc-3.3 is released :) |
20:44.35 | noda | I'm on gcc-3.2.1-cvs from a couple of weeks ago. |
20:44.40 | noda | 11/02 |
20:44.42 | chouimat|bored | noda: even for fixed bugs |
20:44.48 | kergoth_ | I'm on gcc 3.2.1 from debian sid with debian's patches |
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20:48.51 | rizla | where is the md5 on the sharp site? |
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20:49.30 | noda | Erm... dunno. Try an md5 from where you downloaded the file. |
20:49.40 | noda | Not as accurate, but if it's different you've found your problem already. |
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20:51.27 | rizla | i got it from sharp, can i md5 on a remote server? |
20:51.36 | rizla | how would i get the md5? |
20:51.46 | noda | md5sum <file> |
20:52.03 | rizla | i get 7fdeac14f38ed60b675af889d7cebc9a *OSPACK on the file i downloaded |
20:52.07 | kergoth_ | noda: i think he wants the md5sum of the file on the site |
20:52.15 | kergoth_ | noda: not on his local copy, as his local copy isnt known good |
20:52.24 | kergoth_ | noda: and sharp doesnt post md5sums |
20:52.26 | noda | Yeah... I dunno where to find it on Sharp's site though. |
20:52.30 | noda | Oh, it doesn't post them? ICK. |
20:52.34 | kergoth_ | not afaik |
20:52.35 | WormLunch | tsk tsk tsk |
20:52.35 | noda | Man, our site is much better :) |
20:52.40 | kergoth_ | noda: no kidding ;) |
20:52.43 | PenZ | hrm forgot to get my cf card |
20:52.47 | rizla | i thought it could be a corrupted rom but i downloaded it loadsa times |
20:53.01 | kergoth_ | rizla: doesnt mean much |
20:53.02 | noda | kergoth_: btw, have you read 'why oz?' lately? I put a nice comment at the bottom when I went over fixing XHTML grammar. |
20:53.08 | kergoth_ | noda: nah i ahvent. oh spiffy |
20:53.18 | kergoth_ | noda: i wonder how our site stats are looking. should check sf |
20:53.31 | noda | kergoth_: sf shows site stats? :) |
20:53.40 | WormLunch | <PROTECTED> |
20:53.41 | WormLunch | <PROTECTED> |
20:53.43 | rizla | i am really impressed by oz |
20:53.52 | PenZ | I need a mmc card.. keep forgetting when I put the wifi in I lose GCC |
20:53.54 | noda | :) |
20:54.16 | rizla | ok i am gonna give up on this till tomorrow its 4am and i have work in the morning |
20:54.16 | noda | 98.94% activity... nice ;) |
20:54.42 | kergoth_ | noda: our rank has been floating between 85 and 115 |
20:54.57 | chouimat|tv | be back 1 hr Babylon 5 on tv |
20:54.58 | kergoth_ | noda: weird, it shows a rank of 0 for 15, 14.. guess they arent done updating the stats |
20:54.58 | noda | kergoth_: I've noticed, quite sweet :) |
20:54.59 | WormLunch | http://www.gotangco.com/oz3/oz3-03.png |
20:55.05 | rizla | noda: but the site does rock :-) |
20:55.11 | noda | rizla: :) |
20:55.46 | kergoth_ | WormLunch: those icons rock |
20:55.47 | noda | kergoth_: Where can you see site stats on sf? |
20:56.09 | WormLunch | kergoth: i'm trying to package stuff into a theme of sorts and just symlink stuff |
20:56.27 | rizla | my problems are with the sharp one. oz installs time and time again like a dream |
20:56.42 | noda | Weird. |
20:56.43 | kergoth_ | rizla: hm, just for shits, you could use romburst to rip it apart |
20:56.44 | Cloudchaser | i want some nice icons :) those look nice :) |
20:56.48 | kergoth_ | rizla: and flash sharp rom with a zImage and initrd.bin |
20:56.57 | kergoth_ | rizla: the same way you flash oz |
20:57.34 | WormLunch | Cloudchaser: ripped them from connectiva :) gotta ask permission to use them though when i package it |
20:57.40 | kergoth_ | WormLunch: crystal? |
20:57.45 | WormLunch | yeah |
20:57.49 | kergoth_ | nice |
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20:58.32 | noda | kergoth_: Oh, I see the stats... hrm, is "Page Views" for openzaurus.org, or only for the project page? |
20:59.13 | kergoth_ | noda: i've been wondering that myself |
20:59.13 | Cloudchaser | good luck with it WormLunch.. that would be nice if they say yes |
20:59.15 | kergoth_ | noda: no idea :) |
20:59.27 | noda | Well, I'll see how many page views we've had today :P |
20:59.46 | rizla | kergoth_: can i get romburst running on windows? i am on my gf's machine |
20:59.57 | kergoth_ | rizla: doubt it. |
21:00.04 | kergoth_ | rizla: but i do have a c file that does the same thing it does |
21:00.12 | kergoth_ | rizla: which you could compile on a cygwin install |
21:00.40 | rizla | kergoth_: thats true, but i have to get some sleep at some point :-) perhaps in the morning... |
21:00.41 | noda | Holy MAMA... I STRONGLY doubt it's page views on openzaurus.org! |
21:00.53 | kergoth_ | noda: eh? what's our views for today? |
21:01.06 | noda | kergoth_: Just a sec, will do a bit of timestamp math and stuff :P |
21:01.09 | kergoth_ | k |
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21:01.25 | noda | Timestamps are a pain, but much faster in mysql than their proprietary date thing, more portable, and better in PHP :) |
21:01.33 | rizla | for the moment its back to oz! one q though are qtopia/opie apps compatible with picogui |
21:01.43 | PenZ | hrm the led src app won't light up the charge light.. |
21:01.49 | kergoth_ | rizla: picogui's a completely different animal |
21:01.58 | PenZ | but will the mail.. what gives |
21:02.41 | noda | 6162 page views today. |
21:02.44 | noda | I kid not. |
21:03.10 | noda | From 549 separate hosts. |
21:03.26 | Cloudchaser | hehe thats alot of repeats |
21:03.30 | noda | Wow, that's much more than I was expecting. |
21:03.41 | noda | Cloudchaser: Repeats? Nah, about 12 pages per viewer, that sounds reasonable. |
21:03.42 | PenZ | I need br33zy =-( |
21:03.59 | noda | I've personally visited probably around 30 today... but that's just me. |
21:03.59 | kergoth_ | so 549 unique hits |
21:04.08 | kergoth_ | approx |
21:04.14 | noda | 549 unique hosts. 6162 unique page views. |
21:04.48 | kergoth_ | spiffy |
21:05.04 | noda | I don't know how many hits, but I imagine it'd be a bit over 7260 (which would be if each user only downloaded the stylesheet and pingizauru once) |
21:05.52 | noda | This is well over my last site. On my last big job we're getting less than 1500 pages/day. |
21:06.03 | PenZ | kergoth did sharp change how the led is handled in the latest rom? |
21:06.08 | kergoth_ | PenZ: no |
21:06.21 | noda | Guess there's more interest in cool gadgets than in toner these days :) |
21:06.26 | kergoth_ | hehe |
21:06.48 | PenZ | hrm... then why might the batt led not work with the app? |
21:06.58 | kergoth_ | badly designed app? |
21:07.00 | kergoth_ | no idea |
21:07.01 | PenZ | it does light up when charging |
21:08.23 | noda | Uh-oh... if a table says "Data_length 2877832" I guess that means that's almost 3 meg of data? |
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21:09.45 | PenZ | anyone willing to verify the app works for them? ;-) |
21:10.23 | noda | um um um... how much database space is one allowed on sf.net? |
21:10.46 | kergoth_ | noda: good question |
21:11.01 | noda | Hopefully they don't have a limit. This log file is growing WAY too fast. |
21:11.37 | PenZ | yep like wget on a bad day... |
21:11.55 | PenZ | sorry I had to, so sick of hearing about it |
21:12.27 | PenZ | err wtmp |
21:12.29 | PenZ | sorry |
21:15.30 | kryhme | you would think there would be some sort of limit |
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21:15.58 | kryhme | like 50 megs or so... maybe not that high, but a reasonable amount |
21:16.36 | br33zy | PenZ needs me? |
21:16.41 | br33zy | why is that? |
21:17.19 | PenZ | yeah.. I'll msg |
21:17.20 | noda | The log is growing at a rate of 416k per day... |
21:17.38 | noda | I had no clue... I think I can knock off 10 chars per row pretty easily. |
21:18.04 | noda | Ah well, time for a midnight snack, a bit of movie, and a lot of sleep. |
21:18.16 | kryhme | see ya |
21:18.24 | kergoth_ | night noda |
21:18.39 | kergoth_ | night noda, sleep well, good work, i'll most likely kill you in the morning |
21:18.40 | noda | Damn, 416k/day... |
21:18.45 | kergoth_ | </princess bride quote> |
21:18.48 | kergoth_ | eheh |
21:18.50 | noda | :) |
21:19.09 | noda | This stuff most likely will. I gotta allow arbitrary HTML tags in my form inputs tomorrow. |
21:19.28 | noda | And then make some admin pages... maybe the FAQ one first since it's the hardest (since normal people get to access it) |
21:20.57 | PenZ | writing faqs are always fun, you don't know the targets intelligence level |
21:21.37 | PenZ | don't want to over-explain.. but then again if it doesn't make it clear to them.. you missed the point of the faq |
21:22.01 | kergoth_ | PenZ: this is the same with supporting people in any way. whether via text or voice |
21:22.36 | omoore | ok.. are there any zaurus + java gurus awake? |
21:23.00 | kryhme | omoore: not a guru, but what did you need |
21:23.28 | omoore | trying to understand what i need to do to develop for the zaurus using java... here is what i know... |
21:23.44 | omoore | i know it use Java Personal Edition... |
21:23.45 | kergoth_ | ibot: java faq |
21:23.45 | | java faq is, like, the Zaurus Java FAQ at http://adorphuye.com/zaurus/java/faq.jsp |
21:23.51 | omoore | ahh. thanks |
21:23.51 | kergoth_ | omoore: go there. |
21:24.03 | PenZ | not really kergoth.. here in a few sentences you can gather info about the level of help needed |
21:24.10 | PenZ | web help you do not |
21:24.28 | kergoth_ | PenZ: true that, its definately worse in text |
21:24.57 | kryhme | anyone here ever mess with tinyx, not just on the zaurus, but in general? |
21:25.26 | PenZ | I prefer irc heh |
21:31.46 | omoore | kergoth_: ok.. since "Personal Java" is, esentially 1.1.8, must i load 1.1.8? or can i use my current 1.4.x environment... |
21:32.05 | omoore | kergoth_: but use caution in the classes i use? |
21:32.28 | omoore | kergoth_: (my current 1.4.x development environment) |
21:32.41 | kergoth_ | ;) |
21:32.44 | omoore | i see |
21:32.45 | omoore | thx |
21:32.56 | kergoth_ | talk to Twiun[Zzzzz] when he wakes up |
21:33.17 | kergoth_ | (he runs that faq site) |
21:33.34 | dep | omoore: you can use your 1.4 environment but can only call 1.1 classes (and don't use anything deprecated) |
21:33.46 | omoore | dep: thx... |
21:33.55 | omoore | dep: you a java coder for the z? |
21:33.57 | dep | when you javac you specify that the compiler use version 1.1 |
21:34.20 | dep | um....not quite yet...the z arrives sometime this week |
21:34.39 | omoore | dep: i see.. but youve done Personal Edition work? |
21:34.41 | dep | i teach java programming and linux at a community college |
21:34.59 | omoore | dep: cool.. i know java but havn't done much gui work.. |
21:35.07 | dep | not yet...about to despise personal edition since i like 1.4 a lot better |
21:35.19 | dep | 1.1 you're restricted to awt. sigh |
21:35.22 | omoore | dep: yeah.. me too.. ahh well.. anyway... |
21:35.35 | omoore | dep: so long as i develop using awt and 1.1 calls... |
21:36.02 | omoore | dep: i compile to a normal class file, then assume i use the ipkg pakaging tool fro linux to create an installer |
21:36.14 | omoore | dep: the question there is with the class file... |
21:36.44 | omoore | dep: seems like i read somewhere that you have to compile your class then do something else when you are making a Personal Edition app... |
21:36.50 | omoore | dep: but that might have been for ME? |
21:37.09 | omoore | dep: not real sure |
21:37.42 | dep | omoore: for an example see http://wireless.java.sun.com/personal/articles/ztutorial/ |
21:38.00 | omoore | dep: ahhhh what ive been loking for.. an actuall tutorial |
21:38.25 | dep | it's pretty good...has a lot of missing pieces in one place |
21:38.59 | PenZ | kergoth I've never set up 2 dev environments on a box, say I set my linux box to cross compile later |
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21:39.19 | PenZ | how do you switch betwwen, with a flag? |
21:39.19 | kergoth_ | PenZ: ? |
21:39.29 | omoore | dep: the link isn't good... |
21:39.31 | kergoth_ | environment variables |
21:39.33 | omoore | can you repost? |
21:39.40 | kergoth_ | i use a set of shell script functions in my .bashrc |
21:39.47 | dep | http://wireless.java.sun.com/personal/articles/ztutorial/ |
21:40.14 | dep | or go to java.sun.com and search for zaurus |
21:40.17 | omoore | thx |
21:40.20 | omoore | got it |
21:40.21 | PenZ | like say I have a program 'test'.. normally I'd 'make test.c test' |
21:40.30 | kergoth_ | PenZ: read the dev howto |
21:40.45 | PenZ | yer no fun =-P |
21:40.55 | kergoth`movie | ibot: emulate kergoth |
21:40.55 | | ACTION mutters about buildsystems and tells people to rtfm or tells ibot to tell people to RTFM |
21:41.10 | PenZ | I'm nice to you dammit! j/k |
21:41.12 | kryhme | hahahaha |
21:41.38 | PenZ | rtmfgdm actually.. |
21:41.54 | kryhme | what's gdm |
21:42.00 | kryhme | god damn something |
21:42.07 | PenZ | yep |
21:42.14 | PenZ | manual... |
21:42.17 | omoore | gdm is gnome's 'xdm' |
21:42.51 | kergoth`movie | and with that, i'm out |
21:42.53 | kergoth`movie | ;) |
21:42.55 | kergoth`movie | bbl |
21:42.57 | kryhme | you just wait till i find your mother |
21:43.00 | PenZ | heh |
21:44.38 | kryhme | i think i might put on a movie myself |
21:44.50 | kryhme | anyone else here get a lot of migranes? |
21:45.26 | PenZ | I take 4 migrane pills every morning |
21:45.32 | kryhme | which ones? |
21:45.39 | PenZ | building up an immunity sadly |
21:45.55 | kryhme | i usually take like 4 ibuprofen when i feel one coming on |
21:46.04 | PenZ | not sure ... k something, sort of green looking |
21:46.12 | PenZ | brown-green I guess |
21:46.28 | kryhme | i think i'm getting them more often as i get older |
21:46.48 | PenZ | start taking niacin, will help a bit |
21:46.54 | PenZ | if you can stand it |
21:47.17 | kryhme | if you take your vitamins in the morning, it will help a lot... especially those "brain enhancing" suppliments |
21:47.22 | kryhme | i just gotta get in the habit |
21:47.38 | kryhme | according to my father who is a doctor anyways |
21:47.45 | kryhme | who also has migranes |
21:47.54 | kryhme | it's like some sort of evil plague |
21:48.17 | PenZ | heh |
21:48.25 | PenZ | nah that didn't help me |
21:48.30 | PenZ | take niacn |
21:48.37 | PenZ | niacin rather |
21:48.50 | kryhme | thanks for the tip. you ever try ibuprofen? |
21:49.10 | kryhme | if you take enough of it, it seems to do the job, especially early on |
21:49.17 | kryhme | anti-inflammatory and all that |
21:49.22 | PenZ | yes but any of that you will build up an immunity to it after a year or two |
21:49.37 | kryhme | yeah, i can tell i'm starting to |
21:49.46 | kryhme | crap |
21:49.47 | PenZ | besides yer killing your liver and/or kidneys |
21:49.52 | kryhme | ah |
21:50.10 | treke|home | bah. who needs a liver and/or kidneys |
21:50.16 | PenZ | niacin heats up your body and cleans your vessles.. powerful shit |
21:50.34 | PenZ | feels like yoy are on fire for about 15 minutes |
21:50.46 | kryhme | my vessles could always use a good cleaning |
21:50.49 | PenZ | your skin will turn red probably. but it helps a lot |
21:51.07 | kryhme | niacin sounds like agent orange |
21:51.16 | kryhme | or zyclon b |
21:51.18 | PenZ | yeah vessles near the brain especially is prob the problem anyways |
21:51.40 | PenZ | plus this is cheap.. like 100 pills for $3 |
21:51.51 | PenZ | prob find it cheaper if you looked |
21:52.03 | kryhme | i had a bad one earlier. $3 is cheap enough |
21:52.20 | kryhme | no sense in shopping around for things under 5 bucks |
21:52.30 | PenZ | yeah $3.. try it... if it doesn't help yer not out much |
21:52.39 | kryhme | i appreciate the advice |
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21:53.26 | PenZ | some say it might be used in the future to help with cancer cells |
21:54.43 | PenZ | not that I believe that but.. heh |
21:54.45 | PenZ | bbiaf |
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21:56.36 | omoore | dep: thx! did my first java app for the Z :-) |
21:56.54 | omoore | dep: no diff really from coding for a desktop .. other than the jdk version |
21:57.02 | kryhme | that was quick |
21:57.06 | kryhme | what did you make? |
21:57.08 | Pendalar | yey no small keyboard |
21:57.09 | dep | wow...good work |
21:57.16 | omoore | Hello Zaurus :-) |
21:57.23 | omoore | then did a simple gui app |
21:57.28 | kryhme | nice |
21:57.31 | omoore | rip off from the tutorial |
21:57.44 | omoore | jsut wanted to go thru the steps b4 i do my own stuff... |
21:58.06 | omoore | have been wanting to extend some Livelink utilities to pda devices. :-) money money money :-D |
21:58.44 | omoore | we (Stonebridge Technologies) have some utilities for working with Livelink (document mgmt sys)... |
21:59.01 | omoore | i've been wanting to make them work on the Z :-D |
21:59.08 | Pendalar | stonebridge makes some pretty decent stuffit |
21:59.08 | omoore | now i can thx again dep |
21:59.39 | omoore | the performance is just fine on the z too.. good java platform |
21:59.50 | dep | no problem...good luck with the difficult stuff now |
21:59.59 | omoore | heh |
22:00.10 | Pendalar | I detest java.. why can't we just use C++ forever? |
22:00.23 | omoore | to each their own |
22:00.30 | omoore | java is nice for my work... |
22:00.44 | kryhme | speaking of which, what's different in c# than c++ |
22:00.47 | omoore | software has to run on win/mac/solaris/linux |
22:00.52 | omoore | much |
22:00.58 | omoore | c# = MS version of Java |
22:01.06 | omoore | extended it a bit tho |
22:01.12 | Pendalar | == MS in general == crap |
22:01.12 | omoore | and it can talk to COM |
22:01.14 | Pendalar | ;-) |
22:01.21 | omoore | c# isn't crap tho |
22:01.23 | kryhme | crap |
22:01.48 | omoore | to give some idea of "difference" between c# and java... |
22:01.56 | br33zy | hmm |
22:01.57 | br33zy | well |
22:02.00 | br33zy | java can be run in an applet |
22:02.05 | omoore | i "converted" some java bench marks to c# using search/replace |
22:02.06 | br33zy | c# is just different |
22:02.09 | br33zy | andmoo |
22:02.13 | dep | omoore: did you see that ibm is getting behind zaurus....websphere stuff |
22:02.18 | omoore | yep |
22:02.21 | kryhme | wow |
22:02.27 | omoore | read that on eWeek today |
22:02.37 | kryhme | you see those supercomputers they are building? |
22:02.43 | omoore | yep |
22:02.47 | kryhme | man, i can't imagine |
22:02.51 | omoore | IBM rocks |
22:03.01 | kryhme | HAL is not too far away |
22:03.10 | Pendalar | erm... they're always building supercomputers.. |
22:03.15 | omoore | heh.. HAL's successor is not too far away |
22:03.19 | dep | webspehere/eclipse is nice...i make my students use it |
22:03.23 | kryhme | Pendalar: not ones faster than the brain |
22:03.36 | omoore | i'm just getting into eclipse.. i love the gui widgets |
22:03.40 | Pendalar | faster than my brain =-/ |
22:03.49 | omoore | eclipse is nice IDE |
22:03.56 | kryhme | yeah, my athalon 750 is faster than my brain |
22:04.08 | Pendalar | my z is a bit faster I think |
22:04.20 | kryhme | heh |
22:04.21 | Pendalar | can you compile code into machine language faster? I think not |
22:04.42 | omoore | i run a 350MHz + 1GB RAM + 3 10K SCSI drives in RAID 0.... faster than my 600MHZ, 512MB laptop |
22:04.53 | omoore | processor isn't the main performance factor |
22:05.24 | omoore | as my desktop smokes the laptop overall |
22:05.37 | kryhme | 350 huh, why so slow? |
22:06.08 | omoore | cause it runs linux and 350MHz is plenty fast with the ram + SCSI RAID array... even with full gui & multi user |
22:06.26 | omoore | (my daughter works off my box from her 300MHz terminal pc in her bedroom |
22:06.27 | omoore | ) |
22:06.37 | kryhme | i found my 750 processor and motherboard somewhere on the net for $50 |
22:06.57 | kryhme | so i bought a bunch of them and upgraded peoples computers for them |
22:07.02 | omoore | heh.. but i just don't need anything more.. granted.. i went quality when i bought it |
22:07.15 | kryhme | that's all ya need then |
22:07.22 | omoore | it's a Slot 1 (copermine? i think?) |
22:07.31 | omoore | PowerEdge 1300 server |
22:07.38 | kryhme | mine's a slot 1 |
22:07.43 | treke|home | coppermine didnt come in slot one, as far as I know |
22:07.58 | treke|home | I think that was just deschutes and klamath |
22:07.59 | omoore | i may be wrong.. just know its a server, not a desktop unit |
22:08.16 | Pendalar | "with what?" '...napalm.. lots and lots of napalm' |
22:08.28 | omoore | the only thing i cant really do is play games |
22:08.33 | omoore | but i don't do games |
22:08.57 | treke|home | hehe. lgp's new game ought to run fine on it :) |
22:09.16 | omoore | heck.. i even run vmware environments ontop of my linux host OS |
22:09.26 | omoore | and they work well... |
22:09.33 | treke|home | ouch :) |
22:09.46 | omoore | unless i hammer the hd.. then they drop to aobut 50% performance |
22:10.11 | omoore | but if it jsut processor or ram intensive, the vmware session runs about 80% performance |
22:10.36 | omoore | only thing iv considered is pluginging in another 350MHz Slot 1 (dual proc system) |
22:11.18 | omoore | anyway.. off topic :-).. going back to work with the Z... |
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22:21.01 | TheRedder | Anyone else had problems with the VNC server (running on the Zaurus) not allowing input from win2k desktop vnc client? I've tried various versions of both server and client, and I can only get the client to show what's on the Zaurus...no interaction allowed. |
22:22.22 | Pendalar | try 'restart the z and recalibrate ' ? |
22:22.51 | TheRedder | not yet...I'll give it a shot tho |
22:22.52 | Pendalar | no br333zzyyy |
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22:26.12 | TheRedder | no workie :( |
22:27.18 | TheRedder | I don't even get the arrow that I normally get when connecting to other VNC servers. i just get the mouse-dot that usually indicates lag. Client isn't in "view-only" mode, of course :) |
22:27.42 | Pendalar | wb breezy |
22:28.04 | Pendalar | I don't use vnc but there's many problems with it, load up zauruszone and check the forums for 'vnc' |
22:28.47 | TheRedder | aha! that's where are all the zaurus forums are! thanks! |
22:29.23 | Pendalar | heh |
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22:31.00 | TheRedder | oh man... tons of info here on this problem. thanks! |
22:31.05 | Pendalar | np |
22:31.13 | guised | does anyone know how i would do ftp to my sd card? |
22:31.25 | Pendalar | ftp like normal then go to /mnt/card |
22:31.43 | Pendalar | afaik, I use cf's.. which is /mnt/cf |
22:32.23 | guised | Pendalar: it says i dont have the permission to access that folder |
22:32.29 | Pendalar | root? |
22:33.14 | guised | yep |
22:33.18 | Pendalar | that or maybe it's not mounted |
22:33.19 | Pendalar | etc |
22:33.46 | guised | its mounted... i can read it in the zaurus... |
22:33.52 | guised | perhaps its the ftp program im using? |
22:34.01 | Pendalar | can you read say /home/root/ 's files? |
22:35.20 | guised | which file |
22:35.21 | guised | ? |
22:35.31 | Pendalar | any.. can you upload or download from /home/root/ |
22:35.52 | Pendalar | copy a profile or something for all it matters.. does ftp work outside of /mnt/ is what I want to know |
22:37.36 | guised | i copied a profile from /home/root |
22:37.47 | guised | but that and its subfolders are apparently all i can see |
22:38.37 | guised | i dont know why |
22:39.02 | guised | i can copy back and forth, but not to /root |
22:39.07 | guised | err |
22:39.17 | guised | "/" rather |
22:41.39 | Pendalar | hrm |
22:41.47 | Pendalar | then you should be able to /mnt/ dirs |
22:41.53 | Pendalar | as long as it's mounted etc |
22:43.03 | guised | if i follow through with the instructions to oz like the crow rom, would it copy files to the sd? |
22:44.13 | Pendalar | you'd have to as kergoth or someone who uses oz or crow |
22:44.13 | Pendalar | as long as those SD issues were worked out, I assume |
22:44.16 | guised | cool |
22:44.16 | Pendalar | btw save yourself some money next time and get MMC's or CF's |
22:44.55 | guised | looking back, i should have |
22:45.49 | Pendalar | MMC doesn't have the legal issues that SD does, and is the same speed on the zaurus |
22:45.49 | omoore | Pendalar: i have a 5600.. i have a 32MB MMC from an old camera.. it will work ? |
22:46.01 | Pendalar | you have a 5600? |
22:46.07 | omoore | sorry... |
22:46.12 | Pendalar | how the crap do you have a 5600 |
22:46.16 | omoore | 5500 :) dreaming there |
22:46.21 | Pendalar | ah |
22:46.28 | omoore | getting one when it is available |
22:46.33 | Pendalar | it will work but it may have to be formatted |
22:46.39 | Pendalar | that depends on the camera |
22:46.45 | omoore | ahh.. cool... will be an extra one for me |
22:46.48 | Pendalar | but if windows can read it natively, probably be fine |
22:46.53 | omoore | i have a 64MB SD... |
22:47.14 | omoore | but would be nice to have one purely for backup on the road |
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22:47.56 | Pendalar | I need to put gcc on a mmc so I don't lose it when I use my wifi cf |
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23:01.16 | Pendalar | br33zy you still around? |
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23:10.17 | Pendalar | http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/official/unstable/feed/libpcap_0.7.1-1b_arm.ipk <-- I need that |
23:10.27 | Pendalar | make it come back up ;-) |
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23:12.26 | ca1vin | anyone know of a free terminal services client for zaurus? |
23:12.48 | treke|home | ca1vin: there isnt one |
23:13.01 | ca1vin | ok, guess I will fork up the 40 bucks |
23:13.22 | ca1vin | I wonder if I could get rdesktop to compile and work |
23:13.22 | br33zy | i gtg guys |
23:13.23 | br33zy | later |
23:13.25 | br33zy | :) |
23:14.00 | ca1vin | how about a better terminal than the one sharp offers |
23:14.09 | ca1vin | I havn't come across one yet |
23:14.16 | treke|home | ca1vin: its on zsi |
23:14.34 | ca1vin | zsi? |
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23:15.26 | Pendalar | nooo br33zy.. |
23:15.27 | Pendalar | dang it |
23:16.38 | ca1vin | ahh |
23:16.49 | ca1vin | zaurus software index, sorry I am a bit new to all of this |
23:17.04 | ca1vin | I didn't see one on there though |
23:17.14 | treke|home | its on there |
23:18.19 | guised | does anyone use mplayer? |
23:18.24 | Pendalar | are you refering to konsole? |
23:19.01 | ca1vin | ahh |
23:19.04 | ca1vin | found it |
23:19.14 | ca1vin | thanks treke |
23:19.32 | guised | Pendalar: if you're talking to me about mplayer, im having trouble figuring out to use it because it doesn't have a gui |
23:19.32 | ca1vin | now to see if it can deal with my screen sessions |
23:19.50 | Pendalar | no to treke |
23:19.57 | guised | ah |
23:20.20 | Pendalar | I haven't tried it yet as I have no divx rips, etc |
23:20.25 | Pendalar | or anything worth watching |
23:21.14 | guised | ah |
23:21.21 | Pendalar | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=468 |
23:21.25 | Pendalar | bah nothing works |
23:21.30 | Pendalar | I *need* pcap |
23:21.36 | guised | heh |
23:22.13 | guised|sleep | night, thanks for the help |
23:22.16 | guised|sleep | :) |
23:35.37 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
23:44.39 | ca1vin | Embeddedkonsole is what i found but it doesn't seem to install to the point of making an icon |
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