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02:04.27lsmithaloha
02:04.50lsmithso whats the easiest way to be able to play oggs on a stock zaurus?
02:05.38lsmithappearently the ogg plugin for the standard player has some issues (which might be related to the encoder i use, after having read that someone got his zaurus to play after using oggdrop instead of cdex)
02:06.59lsmithi tried to install op2 yesterday .. but somehow it didnt like to install zlib
02:07.08lsmithanyone tried ogg123?
02:07.18lsmithmplayer doesnt have a gui does it?
02:07.42TheMasterMind1lsmith: not yet
02:11.43kollalsmith: xmms
02:11.59kolladefinetly the easiest player to install to play oggs
02:12.08lsmiththat is what i was also thinking ... do you know where i can get an ipk for xmms?
02:13.18kollahttp://belnet.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/xmms-embedded/xmms-embedded-qtopia_0.00003_arm.ipk
02:13.42lsmithdoes it need any other libs?
02:13.47kollajust open the console and do a "ipkg install http://belnet.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/xmms-embedded/xmms-embedded-qtopia_0.00003_arm.ipk"
02:13.53kollano, it comes with everything
02:13.56lsmithgreat
02:14.00kollayup
02:14.05lsmithkolla: dont have net access configed
02:14.10kollaah, ok
02:14.16lsmithbut looks like you can do this via usb ppp
02:22.36lsmithdoes anyone in here know an easy way to disable the buttons underneath the screen?
02:22.52lsmithso that i can put the zaurus in my pocket while its playing music?
02:23.31lsmithhrmm .. gotta run to work
02:24.10lsmiththat for your helps folks
02:25.02kollalook, another one that's interested in some button locker
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03:21.42lsmithok .. i just installed xmms
03:21.55lsmithhow do i get it into the applications tab?
03:22.14DaWormit didnt appear?
03:22.39lsmithi dont see it ..
03:23.15lsmithi did "ipkg install xmms...ipk"
03:23.30lsmithand it seems to be doing ok during the install .. no errors at leasr
03:23.37DaWormhmmm
03:23.44DaWormi installed that before in gui
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03:31.37kollalsmith: restart qpe
03:31.47kollashould pop up an icon in the program tab
03:33.21kollaqtopia doesnt automaticly discover new files
03:33.52lsmithhow do i restart? .. soft reset?
03:33.56kollano..
03:34.05kollasettings, restart.. restart qtopia
03:34.47kollaqtopia should have a "refresh" gadget somewhere
03:34.55lsmithhmm i have the german version installed .. there is nothing like restart there .. only "turn off"
03:35.08kollaok, then that's the one
03:35.24lsmithah ..
03:35.24kollaand there should be a "restart qtopia" in there
03:35.29lsmithk .. found it
03:36.05lsmithkewl thx
03:36.10kollano prob
03:36.27kollanever graspedwhy qtopia cannot autorefresh when new files appear
03:37.02lsmithyeah .. the zaurus apps dont feel really polished .. but you do have the feeling that anythin can get fixed
03:37.04DaWormhmmm...i thought it refreshes, although its not perfect; the taskbar never gets refreshed unless rebooted
03:37.05lsmithwhich is reassuring
03:37.34kollaDaWorm: it doesnt see anything you do from the command line
03:37.44DaWormohh..right..bingo...
03:37.49DaWormthat slipped me
03:37.50DaWormhehe
03:38.00kollaall part of the "graphical interface not being part of the OS" thing
03:38.04lsmithpuh the default skin is a bit dark
03:38.30DaWormits been a while since i used the retail rom
03:38.43kollaDaWorm: OZ isnt any better in this regard
03:38.55DaWormtrue
03:39.20DaWormbut aqpkg is way better than the gui istaller of sharp
03:39.22kollasince underlying system has no way to tell opie that.. "hey.. new files here, refresh!"
03:39.40kollaopie has to find out on its own
03:39.52DaWormyeah
03:40.20kollabut probing the filesystem all the time isnt a solution either
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03:44.29kollalsmith: playing oggs yet? :)
03:44.48lsmithnope .. qtopia is being stupid about sending data to the zaurus
03:45.01lsmithso i can send an ogg file to the zaurus :-/
03:45.13lsmithi need to setup the net connection on the zaurus
03:45.17WintrePolling isn't the most elegant solution but it's not horrible.
03:45.21lsmithunfortunately i have to work atm :-/
03:45.47kollalsmith: notice that oggs most likely wont show up in the Dokuments tab
03:45.47kollalsmith: just open them from within xmms
03:46.03lsmithand i have to fight the temptations that being your own boss bring when you get a new toy :-)
03:46.12kolla:)
03:46.13noiddbah
03:46.13lsmithah ok
03:46.35noiddanyone know the --build --host flags for cross compiling using ./configure off the top of their head?
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03:52.15Hironimoi've got 18000 messages in pine - how to delete them all?
03:52.42WintreHironimo: Where are they stored?
03:53.29Hironimohm. somewhere on disk
03:53.29WintreIn an mbox file or an IMAP server or...?
03:53.29WintreOh, ls -l $MAIL
03:53.29WintreShould show your your mail spool
03:53.29Wintrecp /dev/null $MAIL
03:53.29WintreBut that will delete everything.
03:53.34noiddibot, xcompile
03:53.34hmm... xcompile is see oz toolchain
03:53.42scanlineHironimo: if you use mutt, you can press capital D to delete messages matching an expression
03:53.44noiddibot, oz toolchain
03:53.44somebody said oz toolchain was http://www.openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/, or mkdir /usr/local/arm and extract them in there.
03:53.49kollaecho "" > $MAIL
03:53.57kollain pine
03:54.04kolla;aax
03:54.30kolla;aad was it, I think
03:54.49kollaah yes
03:54.56kolla;aadx
03:55.41kolla; a(ll), a(ction), d(elete), ex(punge)
03:56.30kollaHironimo: got it?
03:56.57Hironimothink so
03:57.03Hironimotells me Expunging
03:57.15Hironimotakes some time tho
03:57.43Hironimoall those mails come from chronjobs
03:58.09noiddibot, oz toolchain
03:58.09somebody said oz toolchain was http://www.openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/, or mkdir /usr/local/arm and extract them in there.
03:58.19Hironimoit somehow writes them to mails. is it right that > /dev/null &2 > /dev/null doesnt send the mail?
04:01.31kollahm?
04:01.45kollaoh
04:02.20kollayes, if you make cronjobs that direct their output like that, you should not get mail about it
04:03.10WintreThough generally that's bad.
04:03.22WintreUnless you really don't care whether the cronjob succeeded or failed.
04:03.31Wintre(and how likely is that?)
04:03.54kollayes, better make smarter cronjobs that actually gives you exactly what you want
04:04.35kollawhich is an understandable error message if something fails, else outputs nothing
04:04.51WintrePrecisely
04:09.29lsmithhmm a good media player should have a lcd blind/lock keys mode
04:09.44kollayes
04:09.59kollaor there should be an applet for it :)
04:10.15kolla"lock everything unless I tap my magic tap code"
04:10.47lsmithwell doesnt that cover protect from such unwanted tabs?
04:11.42kollawhat do you mean?
04:12.02lsmithi mean if oyu got the cover on
04:12.07kollathe plastic cover protects yes
04:12.11lsmiththen no unwanted "tabs" should happen
04:12.15kollaindeed
04:12.20lsmiththerefore you only need to lock the keys
04:12.23kollatrue
04:12.24lsmithand you dont need a "magic tab"
04:12.47kollatrue
04:13.35lsmithtkc should have a subscription service
04:13.46lsmiththat allows you to use all their apps while you are subscribed
04:13.48kollatkc should make their own Z distro :)
04:14.00noiddlsmith: whats the point? their apps are so cheap already
04:14.14kollaI find it strange that they dont have more bundles
04:14.34lsmithnoidd: its does add up .. and they keep adding packages
04:14.41kolla"buy everything and get a freebie" or something
04:14.45lsmithi would be willing to pay 5$ a month
04:15.35lsmiththat way they have a few advantages: they would get a steady income
04:16.09kollathey dont have any demo versions do they?
04:16.13lsmithand more people would use their apps .. as alot of people might be reluctant to buy that next app .. but they would give apps a try that they get for free
04:16.19lsmithkolla: i dont think
04:16.32noiddibot, oz toolchain
04:16.32rumour has it, oz toolchain is http://www.openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/, or mkdir /usr/local/arm and extract them in there.
04:16.42noiddarse
04:16.47kollaleg
04:16.59noiddneed documention
04:17.06noiddno reference on the website i can find for it
04:18.57kollaoh.. tkc has freebies
04:19.04kollabuy more than 10 items and save 25%
04:19.42kollawouldnt know what to buy though :)
04:22.28lsmithok .. playing oggs
04:22.37lsmiththx kolla
04:23.26ljpthe tkc ogg ripper is free
04:28.14noiddibot, zaurus/
04:28.14noidd: I don't know, could you explain it?
04:28.17noiddibot, zaurus?
04:28.17from memory, zaurus is at http://developer.sharpsec.com/index.cfm or the closest thing to sex I can get in the palm of ibot's hand. or the Sharp PDA brand name. The SL-5000, SL-5500 and A300 run Linux. There are also other Japanese models running a proprietary operating system. or there are 12 screws holding it together - pop off th ekeyboard and the hidden one is beneath the email key
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04:29.55noidddamn, I just cant find a working cross-compile environment
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04:46.12Olegshi people
04:55.15Twiunibot: xcompile
04:55.16rumour has it, xcompile is see oz toolchain
04:55.59Twiunnoidd: what's wrong with the oz one?
04:57.11noiddello Twiun
04:57.15Twiunyo
04:57.20noiddhow did your test go?
04:59.03Twiunreally well, I was the second one out (of 8 people)
04:59.23Twiunjust waiting for the agency to get back to me now...
04:59.27noiddvery cool
04:59.30noiddgratz yadda
04:59.35noiddany surprises on the test?
05:00.01Twiunyeah... if *that's* the extent of multithreading they need... then I am indeed a multithreading expert :-)
05:00.23TwiunI was cramming all that high performance java computing stuff over the weekend... not needed it
05:00.38noiddhehe
05:00.45noiddthey need it to work - not work well :-)
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05:00.55Twiuntrue enough I suppose
05:01.13Twiunso... what's this problem you're having with the toolchain?
05:01.16Twiunmine's working fine
05:01.39noiddthe problem is that there are no docs i can find
05:01.45noiddall I want to be able to do is cross-compile
05:01.56noiddI don't actually care about the qtopia stuff (yet)
05:02.02noiddibot, oz toolchain
05:02.02i guess oz toolchain is http://www.openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/, or mkdir /usr/local/arm and extract them in there.
05:02.15noiddsee, just the url to get the sources and where to put them
05:02.25noiddnothing on the website to give any indication how to use them
05:02.56noiddso.. talk me through it :-)
05:02.59Twiunok... get the 2.95 tarball, I'll take you through it ;-)
05:03.35noiddok got it
05:03.37Twiunwhat version gcc do you have locally?
05:03.40noiddand its in /usr/local/arm
05:03.53noiddroot@citalopram root #gcc --version
05:03.53noidd2.95.3
05:03.57Twiuncool
05:04.18Twiunso you have a 2.95.3 dir in /usr/local/arm
05:04.23noiddyup
05:04.42Twiunall you do now is export PATH=${PATH}:/usr/local/arm/2.95.3/bin
05:05.13noiddok, thats makes sense
05:05.15Twiunand then any configure script that knows about crosscompiling will use the arm-linux bins
05:05.25noiddand i've deduced that already - BUT.
05:05.40noiddso, I untar my example proggie
05:05.45noiddexample is bash
05:05.54noiddso... ./configure --build=? --target=?
05:06.43noiddI had it aliased before on my old machine - but that machine is long gone
05:07.19noiddI used it to compile crit-gnupg and crit-socat pacakges which are on killefiz
05:07.37Twiunright
05:07.43Twiunusually, only --target is needed
05:07.57Twiun--target=arm-linux should work I believe
05:08.08WintreSince determining the architecture you're building on should be trivial
05:08.39TwiunWintre: you'd think so ;-) but some scripts are badly configured when it comes to xcompiling, and still get it wrong
05:08.49WintreHeh.
05:08.53noiddroot@citalopram bash-2.05 #./configure --target=arm-linux
05:09.04noiddBeginning configuration for bash-2.05 for i686-pc-linux-gnu
05:09.04noiddchecking for gcc... gcc
05:09.04noiddchecking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) works... yes
05:09.04noiddchecking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) is a cross-compiler... no
05:09.09noidd(seems not)
05:09.42Twiunok... try CC="arm-linux-gcc" ./configure --target=arm-linux
05:10.04Twiunhopefully you won't have to do that for the whole toolchain
05:10.25noiddhehe, I can guess what will happen if I do that but here goes
05:10.40noiddchecking host system type... ./support/config.guess: ./dummy-21353: cannot execute binary file
05:10.40noidd./support/config.guess: ./dummy-21353: cannot execute binary file
05:10.44Twiunrofl
05:10.44noiddhehe, as I guessed :-)
05:10.58Twiunyeah, get the impression it's not setup for xcompiling?
05:11.16Twiunit's not the fault of the toolchain though, it's the bash configure script
05:11.24noiddtrue
05:11.47noiddbut, there are options for configure script that stops it doing that
05:11.53noiddjust got to keep juggling I guess
05:12.13Twiunthose options only work if they've been configured properly by the source maintainer
05:12.19Twiunmost aren't
05:12.29Twiunwhat happened when you built natively?
05:12.31noiddok, let me test it on something I *know* works
05:13.26noiddI know it works on socat because i've compiled that before
05:13.34Twiunok
05:13.53noiddbetter fight with the options
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05:20.16noiddI think i'm misssing something else
05:20.43Twiunno luck?
05:20.45noiddI've tried 7-8 combinations now of flags and none of them cause configure to use the correct compiler.
05:20.50noiddno :-/
05:21.36Twiunthat is so weird
05:22.14lsmithkolla: do you know how to switch the skin on xmms on the zaurus?
05:22.28noiddyou in front of your xcompile environment now Tw?
05:24.06Twiunyup
05:24.31noiddyou have any ./configure style software on your box you can attempt to cross compile?
05:24.46noiddif it works for you with your --target flags, then I know I have a local problem
05:24.48Twiunquite a few... let me find a convenient one
05:24.52noiddprobably environmental
05:25.50kollalsmith: no can do yet, afaik
05:26.00noiddthere is probably an env variable or two missing perhaps
05:26.22Twiunprobably... hrmph... damn, gonna have to extract some of this stuff
05:27.33Twiunok... can't do openssl... not a standard configure script...
05:28.18noiddI am so annoyed at myself for not writing the flags down
05:28.33noiddso, I either have to try the broken HD in the corner
05:28.41noiddor wait for kergoth to wake up,
05:29.06Twiunchecking for gcc... gcc
05:29.06Twiunchecking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) works... yes
05:29.06Twiunchecking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) is a cross-compiler... no
05:29.19Twiunlooks like mine has the same issue atm
05:29.33TwiunBUT
05:29.43Twiunit does identify the target os:
05:29.45Twiunchecking host system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu
05:29.45Twiunchecking target system type... arm-unknown-linux-gnu
05:29.45Twiunchecking build system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu
05:29.57noiddso does mine
05:30.27noiddbut cross-compile=no means that it will use the compile method of aquireing values
05:30.53Twiunyep
05:31.35noiddI feel a lot better now :-)
05:33.26noiddibot, summon kergoth
05:33.26noidd: I give up, what is it?
05:33.40noiddtime to give ibot that module
05:34.16Twiunyah
05:34.44TwiunI give up... pounce on kergoth when he logs on ;-)
05:35.28noiddhaha
05:35.32noiddwimp
05:35.35noidd(but thanks) ;-)
05:45.29ljpboo!
05:47.53noiddheya ljp
05:47.57ljphi
05:48.06noiddyou know anything about using xcompiler?
05:49.01ljpsure
05:49.23ljpI usually install the rpms from the sharp site
05:49.43noiddyou know which flags to use with ./configure?
05:50.06ljpauto* ?
05:50.18ljpor for opie
05:50.28noiddfor example, bash
05:50.42noidd./configure --target=arm-linux etc...
05:53.14ljphmm maybe try -xplatform .. I'm not too sure for auto* stuff
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06:21.35Freddie_hello
06:21.44Freddie_anyone here have qtopia desktop 1.6 syncing to your Z?
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06:21.50Harlekinhi *
06:21.54lsmithFreddie_: yes
06:22.04Freddie_lsmith: Did you need to do anything special?
06:22.10lsmithnot really
06:22.23Freddie_do you run stock rom or OZ?
06:22.30lsmithstock rom
06:22.35Freddie_perhaps that is it then
06:22.43Freddie_since I have opie (through OZ)
06:22.48Freddie_it might be interfering in some way
06:23.04Freddie_When I go to the sync menu, everything is grayed out
06:23.10Freddie_yet I can ssh into my Z just fine
06:23.28Freddie_the IP address is correct
06:23.57Twiun[tv]Freddie_: did you go to the security app?
06:24.20Freddie_yes
06:24.22Freddie_it is set to:
06:24.30Freddie_192.168.129.0/24 (default)
06:24.37Freddie_which SHOULD allow my desktop access to sync
06:25.17Freddie_hrm
06:25.20Freddie_I set it to "Any"
06:25.26Freddie_and now it looks like it is going to attach
06:25.47Twiun[tv]ok... what's your desktop ip?
06:25.50Twiun[tv]129.1?
06:26.09Freddie_desktop ip is 192.168.129.200
06:26.15Twiunright, that's your problem
06:26.18Freddie_eh?
06:26.24Twiunset it to 192.168.129.1
06:26.30Freddie_but that is in the range of 192.168.129.0/24
06:26.33Freddie_so it SHOULD be allowed. . .
06:26.38Twiuntry it
06:27.18Freddie_well
06:27.28Freddie_I just set my security app back to 192.168.129.0/24 and it works now
06:27.39Twiunlol
06:28.16Twiuncould be a bug... best update OZ and see if the problem persists
06:28.28Twiunif it does, report it as an opie bug
06:29.12Freddie_ok
06:29.14Freddie_hrm
06:29.17Freddie_I did a sync all
06:29.31Freddie_my Z has a screen that says "Syncing ALL"
06:29.33Freddie_"Cancel"
06:29.42Freddie_and qtopia desktop seems to have finished its sync
06:30.37Freddie_there we go
06:30.39Twiunok, best take the conversation to #openzaurus then... it could be something they're aware of
06:30.48Freddie_ok
06:30.50Freddie_thanks!
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06:44.36nobsehi... I'm searching iptables for the sharp rom, can I use the package from oz?
07:01.06WintreBlah, where is benmeyer when I need him
07:01.43Twiunprobably got sent to yet another roadshow ;-)
07:30.38Com[Plex]lol
07:31.53Com[Plex]any progress made on fbvnc server? <since 0.3.2
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07:37.34ciao_linuxdid anyone manage to install lirc successfully here? (on a z of course)
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07:48.21Com[Plex]ciao_linux: its not ready yet. I tried. fiddled with the package some. there s aproblem with the modules not loading right.
07:49.38Com[Plex]its been a while tho. I dont know itf anyones made any progress since then.
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08:05.52pez2001the cf slot is ide pin compatible,right?
08:06.14pez2001so why is there no ide-cf adapter cable arround?
08:08.33Com[Plex]uh.. no its not ide pin compatable
08:09.14Com[Plex]if it is, this is the very first Ive heard of it. = however. you can probbaly do a search for "cf ide"
08:09.27Com[Plex]http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=cf+ide+adapter+
08:10.09Com[Plex]theres one for 21$
08:10.12Com[Plex]look at that.
08:11.24pez2001see this ...http://www.dansdata.com/images/cfide/ready320.jpg
08:11.41pez2001and tell me its not compatible
08:12.02Com[Plex]hang on
08:12.28pez2001i know cf cards use the atapi interface to communicate with the host
08:13.26Com[Plex]that adapter is for reading cf cards in a pc. off the ide. not the other way around. sosry
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08:15.34pez2001not matter what way arround it means for me its compatible....and the platine doesnt have too much on it....
08:15.46pez2001so i hope someone builds a cable soon....
08:16.42pez2001power for the drive will still be a problem....
08:16.59Com[Plex]yeah. w3ill need a 5v and 12v adapter. lol
08:17.00pez2001batterie packs should work...but not too long....
08:17.07pez2001yepp
08:17.19pez2001;-))
08:18.32Com[Plex]I seriously doubt this will work.
08:19.16Com[Plex]I was thinking about making an extention cable for micrpodrives so they wont melt your screen, but I beleive the extra length on the cable would create too much interference.
08:20.23Pend-Gonedoh I wasn't marked away
08:20.30Pendalarsorry about that
08:20.37Com[Plex]hehe
08:20.49Pendalarhelps when you have coffee *before* the computer
08:21.09ljp_workanyone know where to find old mac software?
08:21.13ljp_work:)
08:21.26Com[Plex]like what ljp?
08:21.39Pendalarapple IIe?
08:21.40Pendalarfun
08:21.50Com[Plex]irc.efnet.org #oldmacsoftware
08:22.12ljp_workmac IIsi :)
08:22.19Com[Plex]ouch
08:22.28ljp_workheheh hey it was free
08:22.37ciao_linuxwho is taking care of http://www.rit.edu/~tfs1812/?
08:22.39Com[Plex]irc.efnet.org #wickedoldmacsoftware
08:22.42Pendalarnot worth the electricity it uses
08:22.49ljp_workand at least with a connector, I canuse the monitor on a pc
08:22.57ljp_workheheh
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08:23.44unconis there any docs on using bootmenu-dialog in oz?
08:24.00ljp_workall the mac software places are for that new fangled icrap stuff
08:24.06Com[Plex]uncon. I dont think its ready yet
08:24.18unconoooh
08:24.21Com[Plex]better to just terminate OPie to get to a console
08:24.26ljp_workguess I'll just have to write me own..
08:24.33unconCom[Plex], okay, thanks
08:24.35Com[Plex]lol
08:24.42ljp_workheh opie on motorola
08:24.44Com[Plex]np incon. I asked about it yesterday too
08:25.04PendalarI want to write something, if I can get a moments peace
08:26.27ljp_workjust a moment?
08:26.43Com[Plex]ciao. I dont know who is working on that, but Ill tell ya, that page hasnt changed in the three months since I last fixed the lirc package
08:28.30PendalarI don't ask for much
08:28.35Com[Plex]fixed = well. worked on,..
08:28.55Com[Plex]I might actually take another look at it.
08:29.07Com[Plex]hell. I should do that right now.
08:29.10Com[Plex]gotta love putty
08:29.17ljp_workyou are welcome to write opie docs :)
08:31.40ljp_workI like silly putty
08:33.15Cloudchaserso Com[Plex]: how did you end up with the vnc last night?
08:33.20Cloudchaserdid you get it working?
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08:34.09Com[Plex]noipe.
08:34.44Com[Plex]got some problems with the tssmid or whatever not actually grabbing screenttaps from the connected session
08:35.11Com[Plex]the calibration file is created. and the touch screen is very eratic.
08:35.44Com[Plex]hard toi describe.  but regardless. when I connect with tthe client. I cannot send screentaps to it. - key strokes are working fone tho./
08:35.47Com[Plex]fine
08:36.11Com[Plex]and since I have no idea what Im doing. Im gonna wait for treke and kergoth to look at it :>
08:36.22Com[Plex]I will help out by guineapigging for them.
08:36.23Com[Plex]hehe
08:37.21Cloudchaserok
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08:41.53PendalarAn Amish buggy driver was cited for improper passing. The buggy driver was trying to pass a slower buggy. The slower buggy was forced down an embankment and the horse was killed.
08:41.55Pendalarhrm
08:46.53Pendalarsup kergy
08:46.55pez2001what wifi cf cards could anyone recommend ???
08:47.10pez2001is the smc card good?
08:47.26Pendalarnot wfc11 if you want the stylus slot unblocked
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08:48.24Pendalarer wcf rather
08:49.00nodaI've got an SMC... it's nice. Doesn't block anything, works.
08:49.09nodaNothing to compare it to though
08:49.25pez2001smc EZ connect wireless compact flash card...
08:49.42s2nI just got a dlink this weekend, seems to work ok.  Doesn't block anything.  I am having a problem at my house though as there is another wireless net next door
08:49.50pez2001there is another from buffalo
08:50.05s2nand the card seems to not pick up the right one
08:50.36Pendalarthat's a common 2.4ghz band problem
08:51.07s2nreally?
08:51.08nodas2n: You can just tell it to use a specific ESSID.
08:51.09Pendalarmy phone and wifi fought for awhile
08:51.24nodaMy phone picks up some chinese people downstairs sometimes...
08:51.27pez2001do i need an accesspoint??? imho i only need to cards and a good masquerading routing table .....
08:51.33pez2001two
08:51.40Pendalarya, it's called ad-hoc
08:51.44nodapez2001: Right. Set up one of the cards as an access point and you're fine.
08:51.44s2nyeah, that didn't seem to do it...but i didn't have my laptop around to make sure the router was working...
08:51.49nodaPendalar: Nah, you can do managed mode.
08:52.03Pendalaryou could, but why?
08:52.12Pendalarevery body and their brother likes ad-hoc
08:52.15nick__when is the SL-5600 going to stat selling?
08:52.16nodaPendalar: Because ad-hoc needs every wifi card in the network to talk to every other.
08:52.25nodaManaged means they only have to talk with the access point.
08:52.27Pendalarwell if you only have 2... so?
08:52.31kergothnoda: not correct
08:52.31pez2001good ... this makes the whole investition a lil bit cheaper...
08:52.38nodakergoth: Not? You sure?
08:52.41kergothnoda: set up all your nodes as forwarders
08:52.47kergothnoda: i could to talk C via B
08:52.57nodakergoth: Oh, didn't know that :)
08:52.59kergothnoda: given A<->B<->C
08:53.11Pendalarircd style
08:53.20Pendalarbut seriously if you only have 2, it doesn't matter
08:53.24kergothyep
08:53.48kergothhah
08:54.32Pendalarheh don't confuse things
08:54.55kergothconfusing things is fun
08:55.14pez2001connecting more nodes to the private net adding forwarding dns and routing ...this would kick ass if some more people are involved that you cant reach otherwise
08:55.45nodaThere are some groups that do that kind of thing in some cities...
08:55.50Pendalarphreakin..
08:55.54nodaWith huge antennae and stuff...
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08:56.35Pendalarif it's not a cat sleeping on me it's a baby...
08:56.38pez2001yeah i want one or  huge antennae too.... ;-)))
08:56.41Pendalarno wonder I can't code =-P
08:57.13pez2001what do you code pendalar?
08:57.16PendalarI'd rather have a Internet connection -> ham radio convertor and decoder for the other side
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08:57.46Pendalarpez mostly I beta test and do IRCd related coding... 99% is just daemons
08:57.57PendalarI know jack about qtopia thus far
08:58.11Pendalarif I can get this limp child offa me... =-/
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08:58.58Razzledoes anyone use mplayer to play DivX movies?
08:59.02rapskati do
08:59.19Razzlethe sound is very slow.. do you know a way to fix this?
08:59.27nodaxine! :P
08:59.40rapskatRazzle: by slow, do you mean choppy?
08:59.45Razzleyes
08:59.52RazzleVERY choppy
09:00.01rapskatRazzle: you mean on the z right?
09:00.05Pendalarhrm no wonder everything is crashing... no free swap
09:00.08RazzleI tried to play the Terminator 3 trailer
09:00.10Razzleyeah
09:00.11Pendalarwonder why.. nothing is running
09:00.30Pendalargot 7mb left on internal storage, but swap is gone
09:00.33rapskatare you running it from console or in QT?
09:00.43Razzleconsole
09:00.54rapskatwhat's your cache set to?
09:01.00Razzle(i don't have OZ by the way if that's importatn)
09:01.06Pendalarkergoth, complex any ideas?
09:01.07RazzleI don't know,how do I find out?
09:01.14kergothPendalar: 'swap'?
09:01.19Com[Plex]uh
09:01.20Com[Plex]whastsdup?
09:01.24kergothPendalar: why would you have swap?
09:01.26kergothheh
09:01.32Pendalarwell whatever you want to call the ram part that isn't storage
09:01.35rapskatRazzle: if you don't explicitly have it set, then it's probably defaulting to 16K, which is really kinda low
09:01.40kergothPendalar: most of us call that 'ram'
09:01.42PendalarI generally call it swap
09:01.43Razzlehow can I change that?
09:01.44kergothPendalar: since thats what it is.
09:01.46Com[Plex]lol
09:01.51rapskattry invoking it with a -cache 192 or something like that
09:02.03Pendalarif I say 'ram' that doesn't denote whether I mean storage or the normal use of ram
09:02.07kergothPendalar: wrong
09:02.10kergothPendalar: ram is ram
09:02.14Razzleok I'll try
09:02.14kergothPendalar: ramdisk is ram used as storage
09:02.18kergothram, ramdisk
09:02.19kergothnot hard
09:02.22kergothpretty simple in fact
09:02.29Pendalarright
09:02.32rapskatRazzle: are you streaming it or playing local?
09:02.39Razzlelocal
09:02.44Razzle(in RAM)
09:02.48rapskatyeah, try to up that cache
09:02.57Pendalarlike palm os, it's all ram
09:02.58Com[Plex]simpler now that you say it kergoth. ye of great wisom... and cool terminology..
09:03.02Razzlewait a sec I'm gonna try
09:03.02rapskatit will take longer to load, but will play smoother
09:03.04kergothPendalar: wrong
09:03.05Pendalarjust some is used for storage some not
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09:03.14Com[Plex]damnit. I cant make a joke, because I cant friggin type.
09:03.14kergothPendalar: there is 16mb of internal flash
09:03.20kergothCom[Plex]: hehe
09:03.20Pendalarright
09:03.25kergothCom[Plex]: nice try though ;)
09:03.31kergothhey Harlekin_
09:03.36Com[Plex]thanks.
09:03.53Pendalarso you are saying my internal flash df is shrinking on it's own accord?
09:04.00kergotheh?
09:04.30Com[Plex]df?
09:04.39Com[Plex]lol
09:04.39Pendalardisk free.. linux command...
09:04.53Razzlerapskat: no, still the same
09:05.30rapskatRazzle: are you using the wrapper script or calling the binary  directly?
09:05.39Pendalarok lets try this again... what's eating up the ram?
09:05.46Razzlecalling it directly with mplayer -quiet -cache 192 filename
09:05.49Com[Plex]pendlar, probably symlinks
09:05.59rapskatok, just a sec...
09:06.00Com[Plex]they are very small. but if you have oodles of them. they take up some space.
09:06.01Pendalarby that I mean non storage
09:06.03kergothCom[Plex]: he's referring to ram, not ramdisk
09:06.08kergothPendalar: ps
09:06.15Com[Plex]but then, IM sick and have not had cooffee either. so I could be the bumbling idiot as well
09:06.17kergothPendalar: check the memory usage of the running processes
09:06.20Pendalarnothing is running that shouldn't be
09:06.26kergoththat means nothing
09:06.30Pendalarunless something I'm running has a mem leak
09:06.30kergothlook at the *memory* usage
09:06.31kergothheh
09:06.41Razzlehm should I try a nice?
09:06.44Com[Plex]where do you check that kjergoth?
09:06.50Com[Plex]whats a nice/>
09:06.53kergothps shows memory usage
09:06.55Razzlei mean the command
09:07.11RazzleCOm[Plex]: to raise process priority
09:07.20Razzle(against choppy sounds)
09:07.22Razzledidn't work
09:07.25Com[Plex]oh.
09:07.26Razzlestill choppy
09:08.17Pendalaror lower
09:08.30Pendalardang about everything is using ~1.2mb of ram
09:08.35rapskattry this:  /usr/local/bin/mplayerx -quiet -framedrop -vop list=resample,format:fout=44100 -sws 0 -cache 192 "$NXTFILE"
09:08.40kergothPendalar: thats not much..
09:08.46kergothPendalar: qpe normally uses around 10 megs
09:08.46Razzlemplayerx?
09:08.54kergothafaicr
09:08.56Pendalarwhen you have 10 things wanting a mb
09:09.11rapskatRazzle: that's the actual binary
09:09.14kergothPendalar: yes, thats only 10 megs, out of what? 26-40 depending on the kernel/model?
09:09.19Pendalarand qpe wanting 10
09:09.23Razzleok
09:09.38kergothright, so half your memory is used. thats pretty much expected
09:09.49kergothfeel free to kill off syslogd and klogd unless you need to debug a problem
09:09.53Com[Plex]I love the way this runs with the 32mb zimage. <sl5000d>  it works like a charm
09:09.54Pendalarin system info the 'cache' part is eating up everything
09:09.59kergothPendalar: no.
09:10.04kergothPendalar: cache is available for use by apps
09:10.18kergothPendalar: add free + cache to get a real sense of whats available
09:10.25PendalarI thought it could be also in use though
09:10.32kergothno. its cached.
09:10.33Pendalarand still shows up as cache
09:10.45Pendalarwonder why opera keeps refusing to load pages then
09:11.06Pendalarthe only things I have running that isn't stock rom is openssh and a applet or two
09:11.18Pendalarthe rest is games and what not, but not daemons
09:11.39kergothits not likely ram thats your problem
09:11.45kergoth5000d or 5500?
09:11.50Pendalar5500
09:12.19kergothyep, shouldnt be a problem
09:12.22kergotheven with ssh running
09:12.27PendalarI agree ;-)
09:12.41kergothyou could always run sshd out of inetd
09:12.50kergothsave a bit of ram, though you can run into timing issues with key authentication
09:12.53Razzlerapskat: is "$NXTFILE" supposed to be the video filename?
09:13.00Razzleor shall I just type "$NXTFILE"?
09:13.11PendalarI do that on my linux box, didn't really see much of an improvement in any area
09:13.23Pendalarmore trouble than it's worth imho
09:13.35nick__any oine know when the SL-5600 is goin on sale?
09:13.42kergothPendalar: i wouldnt say more trouble, but it can save a headache by preventing that timing issue
09:13.53kergothnick__: didnt it say in the announcement?
09:13.55kergothnick__: go read it
09:14.03nick__i guess i didnt see it
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09:14.06nick__ill look again
09:14.33rapskatRazzle: yes
09:14.41Razzleerr.. which one?
09:14.58Com[Plex]lol
09:15.01rapskatRazzle: oops, sorry, $NXTFILE is the name of the file to plat
09:15.03rapskatplay
09:15.05Com[Plex]I love to ssh into my zaurus. hehe
09:15.06Razzleok
09:15.19Com[Plex]I LOVE THIS STUPID PDA!!!
09:15.19Pendalarhow many channels can the buzzer handle?
09:15.35Com[Plex]I almost broke my stylus last night playing backgammon tho.
09:15.48Com[Plex]that little fucker ALLWAYS gets the EXACT roll to tqake my friggin peices.
09:15.52Com[Plex]GRUMBLe
09:16.11Pendalar<PROTECTED>
09:16.20Pendalardon't be mad it's smarter than you ;-)
09:16.46Razzlerapskat: /usr/local/bin/mplayerx: No such file or directory
09:16.47Com[Plex]lol
09:17.24Com[Plex]I have a temper problem. I like to break things when I get mad. - like keyboards. keyuboards are the coolest thing in the world. when you are really pissed off.
09:17.32Com[Plex]there are so many ways to break them.
09:17.42kergothtrue that
09:17.46rapskatRazzle:  are you using the ipk version?
09:17.55Razzleyes
09:17.59Pendalarthen you shouldn't code..
09:18.01kergothi remember slamming my fist on mine like 7 years ago, cracked the circuit board right in half
09:18.02Com[Plex]over the knee. karate chop,  the twist and scream, even over the head.
09:18.05kergothfun stuff
09:18.06kergothhah
09:18.08rapskathmm
09:18.19Com[Plex]my favorite is the karate chop -> defenestration maneuver
09:18.19Razzleused this one: mplayer_0.90pre10_arm.ipk
09:18.32rapskatRazzle: oooh, where's you get that?
09:18.40rapskatI have the pre5 version
09:18.47Com[Plex]gotta love throwing a keyboard out a window.
09:18.52Com[Plex]I lvoe to throw things out windows too
09:18.56Razzlehttp://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/
09:19.06PendalarI like throwing windows out of things
09:19.07rapskatthey must've just put that up
09:19.14Razzlehttp://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=727
09:19.15rapskatI just checked yesterday
09:19.22Com[Plex]I live on the third fgloor.  when I throw sutff out the  window, it makes a big mess outside on the street below.
09:19.26RazzleAdded: 11/14/2002
09:19.41rapskattry it without the full path or the x, just do mplayer
09:19.50Razzleok
09:19.56rapskatRazzle: hmmm
09:20.04rapskatmaybe I'm just blind then...lol
09:20.18Com[Plex]I threw a vcr out the window recently. oh that was satisfying.   stupid thing would eat every friggin tape I owned.. grrrr.  when that hit the street, there was nothing left of it. very nice.
09:20.53Pendalartape? eck
09:21.43Razzlethat slowed the movie majorly, the sound's still pretty much the same
09:21.54Com[Plex]hey guys. can anyone else here read japanese? it looks like the c700 is coming with embedix on it.
09:21.55Com[Plex]http://www.sharp.co.jp/products/slc700/text/office.html
09:22.06rapskatRazzle: crap
09:22.22Com[Plex]Pendalar: when you have been collecting vhs for years and years. you gotta keep a tape player around.
09:22.23rapskatwhat are the details of the clip?
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09:23.08rapskatrapskat: I've noticed some vids will not play well as they are encoded
09:23.31rapskatthat was meant for you Razzle, I need coffee...lol
09:23.34Razzle352 x 205, 25 pics/sec,  95 KB/Sek, should be divx
09:23.58Razzlehehe
09:24.14Razzlethe Terminator 3 Trailer
09:24.33rapskatare you sure it's divx?
09:24.36RazzleI can send it to you if you want
09:24.37Razzleno
09:24.44rapskatsure
09:24.45chouimatmorning
09:24.53Razzleit says unknown format here but windows is a bitch and  I don't know how to find out in linux
09:25.29rapskattry mplayer -identify <filename>
09:26.28rapskatRazzle: tx for the tip on the new version, btw :-)
09:27.04RazzleDiv3
09:27.13Razzleno problem :)
09:27.28kollamaybe I should try to watch buffy on my Z instead of laptop? heh
09:27.32Razzleaudio codec ffmp3
09:27.42rapskatthere's the prob
09:27.48Razzle?
09:27.54kergothCom[Plex], Cloudchaser: ping
09:27.57rapskatmp3 doesn't play well on the Z
09:28.05Razzleoh
09:28.07Cloudchaserhiya kergoth
09:28.09Razzlewhat now?
09:28.09rapskatfor movies I mean
09:28.14Cloudchaserhow are you today?
09:28.24rapskatwell, you could try reencding it...
09:28.25Razzlehm most movies have mp3 sound, don't they?
09:28.36kergothCom[Plex], Cloudchaser: I just installed the fbvncserver ipk i sent you guys. I removed /etc/rcS.d/*fbvnc* just to be safe, but i rebooted, calibrated, and connected.
09:28.44Razzlethat's gonna increase the filesize not just a bit I guess
09:28.46kergothCom[Plex], Cloudchaser: and its working flawlessly. ts input, the whole deal
09:28.56rapskatRazzle: yeah, it will
09:29.01Razzledamn
09:29.11rapskatRazzle:  you playing from SD or CF?
09:29.14Cloudchaserok so you're saying it works fine for you but not for us?
09:29.17Cloudchaseror you fixed it?
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09:29.23fatbumhello
09:29.29Razzleneither, i got my z yesterday and didn't buy and cards yet
09:29.33kergothCloudchaser: not sure if my removing that symlink affected it or not
09:29.36RazzleI'm playing form RAM
09:29.38kergothCloudchaser: about to reinstall the package and check
09:29.42Cloudchaserok
09:29.44fatbumany get socket errors in opie irc????
09:29.48rapskatRazzle: wow
09:29.59kollato play video files on zaurus one better rescale them, right?
09:30.01Razzle(it's just a 10 MB movie)
09:30.19kollathat is, decode, scale, encode
09:30.30rapskatkolla: it's better for some flix
09:30.40fatbumkerg is opieirc broke??
09:30.41Razzleit's rather easy with vdub
09:30.42Com[Plex]would anyone \take a chance, and guess if this japanese z could be flashed with the linux rom?
09:30.43Com[Plex]<PROTECTED>
09:30.54kergothCom[Plex]: 'the linux rom'?
09:31.04Com[Plex]http://www.sharp.co.jp/corporate/news/020305.html
09:31.17Com[Plex]hits a japanese z, without embedix
09:31.25rapskatRazzle: you could try reencoding it for 320x240 with pcm audio?
09:31.32Com[Plex]<PROTECTED>
09:31.55kergothCom[Plex]: certainly could be done. dunno what would be involved
09:32.13RazzleI'll try.. do you think ogg vorbis works with videos?
09:32.14rapskatRazzle: if you want, send to me and I can do it....
09:32.28rapskatwith pre10 maybe, IDK, not with pre5
09:32.43Cloudchaserwish i could just buy already z encoded movies ;)
09:32.59RazzleiAH
09:33.06Com[Plex]I got a japanese friend who is tempted to buy a Z, but wants to explore his options. - he really wants this one with the camera. and he really wants linux.
09:33.08Razzlei should've read the description before downloading
09:33.09RazzleEncode vorbis audio in movies by downsampling sound at 22050 and quality 2 to avoid slow downs
09:33.16Razzlethey support vorbis
09:33.21Razzlehm
09:33.28Com[Plex]cloud, whats involved in making a movie encoded for a z?
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09:33.45rapskatRazzle: that would save a chunk of space...it's even smaller than mp3
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09:34.27Razzlehm what do I need to encode a movie with vorbis?
09:34.32Razzledoes vdub do it?
09:34.33I-Ballwoo-hoo, got a POP3 client for OZ and just switched
09:35.11I-Balltoo bad Opera is broke...oh well, konq works
09:36.53rapskatRazzle: is oyur main box windows then?
09:37.08Razzleboth
09:37.19Razzlerunning win atm
09:37.26rapskatRazzle: for linux, I would suggest mplayer/mencoder
09:37.26Com[Plex]why  would anyone want to use pop3 on the z? wouldnt you wanna use imap?
09:37.44Razzleok
09:37.47nick__why would any one want to use pop3 ever
09:38.08nick__imap is much nice imo
09:38.22I-Ballnot if your mail provider doesn't have it (friggin' T-Online monopy!)
09:38.32I-Ballmonopoly, even
09:38.54nick__humm run my own mail server so i can have whatever services i want :P
09:38.55kergothCom[Plex], Cloudchaser: i just installed that ipk without changing anything
09:39.02Cloudchaserand it worked?
09:39.10Cloudchasercalibrated and all?
09:39.13kergothCom[Plex], Cloudchaser: rebooted, calibrated as the first thing i did with the touchscreen, then started a vnc server, and it works flawlessly
09:39.24Cloudchaserdoesn't work for me
09:39.29Com[Plex]WOOHOO!
09:39.38Cloudchaserunless you made a change
09:39.42kergothnope
09:39.43Com[Plex]wait.. the same one I was trying yesterday?
09:39.44kergothsame packge
09:39.46CloudchaserCom[Plex]: you got it tow ork?
09:39.47kergothexact same ipk
09:39.51kergothhere are the steps
09:39.54Com[Plex]wtf?
09:39.58kergothto ensure you're at a clean slate
09:40.01kergothkillall tssimd
09:40.04Com[Plex]k
09:40.10kergothrm /etc/*tss*
09:40.17Cloudchaserok but it was never running
09:40.20kergothreboot
09:40.32kergothfirst time you use teh touchscreen, calibrate
09:40.38kergoththen check the process list
09:41.52Com[Plex]wait. at wich point do we install the ipk?
09:42.33kergothbefore reboot in that step
09:42.39kergothremove the calibration file
09:42.40kergothinstall ipk
09:42.44kergothreboot immediately after
09:42.50Com[Plex]k
09:42.51kergothcalibrate as first thing you do with the touchscreen
09:42.54kergothupper left, lower right
09:43.02kergoththen check process list, ensure tssimd is running
09:43.07Com[Plex]uno momento
09:43.10kergothif so, run a vnc server, then test
09:43.10kergothk
09:43.17Cloudchaserok keroght i had no proccess killed and i don't have that /etc file
09:43.22chouimatFreeBSD-5.0-DP2 is out
09:43.27kergothhaha, our sysvinit package built with gcc3.2 is .. 3 megs!
09:43.28kergotheek
09:43.41Cloudchaserrebooting now
09:44.33I-Ballshit thats big
09:44.33kergothI-Ball: it must have statically linked it or something
09:45.02I-Ballouch
09:45.31I-BallDYNAMIC is today's secret word :)
09:46.19Cloudchaserok i rebooted, calibrated,
09:46.23Cloudchaserno process running
09:46.50kergothstarts flawlessly here
09:46.54kergothno problems whatsoever
09:46.59kergoththats pretty strange
09:47.04Cloudchaserdoesn't start here
09:47.18kergothyes, you said that already
09:47.19kergothat least 3 times
09:47.27Com[Plex]kergoth, you sure you got the exact same file?
09:47.29I-Ballwhat's a good terminal gui to use for connecting to routers and switches with the Z?
09:47.34Com[Plex]gotta check.
09:47.40Cloudchasereither that or he's got updated files that we don't have
09:47.46kergotheh?
09:47.48kergothi'm using an ipk
09:47.52kergotheither its the same as yours, or its not
09:47.54Cloudchaseri mean on your z
09:47.54Com[Plex]hmm..
09:47.57kergoth?
09:48.04kergothfbvncserver doesnt depend on anythign else in the system
09:48.06Cloudchaserlike i'm using just the stable version of oz
09:48.07kergothits independent
09:48.09kergothno
09:48.10Cloudchaserok
09:48.17Cloudchaserdunno then
09:48.22Com[Plex]must be a symlink or something then?
09:48.31kergoth?
09:48.32kergothno
09:48.36kergothall the paths are correct for OZ
09:48.38Com[Plex]too many nested symlinks or something?
09:48.39I-Balldidnt someone post a new and improved fbvncserver on the ZSI in past few days?
09:48.43kergothI-Ball: yes
09:48.53Com[Plex]k kergoth.. what could it be?
09:48.56I-Ballthat the you working with?
09:48.58kergothI-Ball: we're talking about a version i created based on that with proper paths for OZ
09:49.02kergothCom[Plex]: is your tssimd running?
09:49.32I-Balloh hell yeah...I'll be your bit...uhhh...guinea pig!
09:49.34Com[Plex]no, my tssimd isnt starting on bootup.
09:49.41I-Ballbeen waitin for oz version
09:49.47kergothCom[Plex]: and does S97fbvncinput exist in /etc/rc2.d?
09:50.00Com[Plex]let me check.
09:50.01kergothI-Ball: email?
09:50.18I-Balliball@intrstar.net
09:50.36Cloudchaserdoesn't exist in mine
09:50.52Com[Plex]wtf
09:50.55kergoththats why it isnt starting.
09:50.59I-BallIIRC there was aone
09:51.01Com[Plex]hang on. I got another issue here.
09:51.07kergothdoes /etc/default/functions exist?
09:51.23kergothCom[Plex]: email addy? i'm resending the ipk, the identical one i'm using
09:51.30I-BallIIRC there was thread on ZZ about tssimd and how to fix it
09:51.40Cloudchaseryes mine does work
09:51.41kergothI-Ball: just be quiet until you understand the entirety of hte situation
09:51.44I-Ballto get fbvncserver running
09:51.48Cloudchasercan you send it to me too kergoth?
09:51.51I-Ballok
09:51.55Cloudchaseri'll uninstall and re-install
09:51.56kergothCloudchaser: yep, I am doing so
09:52.02Cloudchaserthank you
09:52.26kergothI-Ball, Cloudchaser, Com[Plex]: sent
09:52.47I-Ballchecking....
09:53.20I-Ballgot it...cranking samba now
09:53.35Com[Plex]kergoth, Im having issues with this ipk. Im not seeing it from my sd card.. trying something else. aqpkg might be seeing the wrong ipk.. hmm..
09:53.51kergothI-Ball, Cloudchaser, Com[Plex]: proper install procedure: remove /etc/*tss*, killall tssimd, ipkg remove fbvncserver fbvncserver-oz; ipkg install new package, then reboot, immediately upon seeing opie, calibrate. upper left, lower right. then run the vnc server and test.
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09:54.19kergothhey prpplague
09:54.22I-Balllemme write that down
09:54.27prpplaguekergoth: lo
09:54.37prpplaguekergoth: what's burnning at digi today?
09:54.56kergothsame shit as always
09:54.57kergothyou?
09:55.12trekeanyone know what the real licensing is on qtmail? I doubt its gpl
09:55.21kergothno idea
09:55.41prpplaguekergoth: dd if=/tmp/yesterday of=/dev/today
09:55.49kergothyeeap
09:56.05Com[Plex]kergoth, Ive been trying to install to SD
09:56.34kergothCom[Plex]: i know what the problem is
09:56.42trekehmm. zmoney looks nifty
09:56.48Com[Plex]I should install to root?
09:56.49kergoth<PROTECTED>
09:56.57kergothits not returning true on -x as its a symlink
09:57.04kergothi'll change that to -e, check for existance
09:57.05Com[Plex]lol
09:57.14kergothit works fine in flash
09:57.15kergothconfirmed, tested
09:57.23kergothI'll correct that and upload into the unstable feed
09:57.44chouimatinsanity is hereditary. you get it from kids
09:58.33Cloudchaserok i was trying to install to sd also
09:59.06Com[Plex]hpkg_run_script:'/mnt/card/usr/lib/ipkg/info/fbvncserver.postinst.configure' failed : illegal seek
09:59.14Com[Plex]this is whwhn I install to root
09:59.17kergothCom[Plex]: harmless
09:59.28Com[Plex]k
09:59.45Cloudchaserso..wait or install to root?
09:59.51I-Ballk, works for me :) THANKS!
09:59.55kergothI-Ball: np
10:00.16chouimatkergoth: ETA for QT3 in OZ
10:00.18I-Ballyour instructions will be a BITCH for noobs tho
10:00.32I-Ball:)
10:00.38Com[Plex]kergoth, what file needs that changed from -x to -e?
10:00.39kergotheh?
10:00.42kergoththey arent required
10:00.52kergoththat was just to ensure things were in a sane state, as you're testing
10:00.53kergothCom[Plex]: postinst
10:00.57kergothCom[Plex]: and startup script both
10:00.57Com[Plex]postinst?
10:00.59Com[Plex]k
10:01.14I-Ballcool....chatting on the Z via wireless and using my pc keyboard
10:01.24Cloudchaserok i did your instsructions and the icons are still on the desktop for vnc
10:01.39kergotheh?
10:01.43kergothof course the icons are there
10:01.53I-Ballnice that it doesn't crash under the load of BOTH VNC and opie chat
10:01.54Cloudchaserthe uninstall instructions
10:02.03kergothCloudchaser: ipkg remove doesnt update opie
10:02.05kergothCloudchaser: aqpkg does
10:02.22I-Ballbbiab
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10:02.37Cloudchaserok so i need to go delete those manually
10:02.39kergothno
10:02.44kergothjust restart opie
10:02.48kergoththose files dont exist
10:02.55Cloudchaserok
10:02.56kergoththe launcher just hasnt refreshed its links
10:03.39Com[Plex]okay, isntalling now with new change
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10:06.01Com[Plex]corection, grabbinbg file to install with. lol
10:07.00Cloudchaserok is new one on unstable feed then?
10:07.03Pendalaross vs qsound v sound.h ...
10:07.21kergothCloudchaser: updating the feeds now
10:07.34Cloudchaseroki
10:08.06Cloudchaserand the change allows it to be installed to sd card?
10:08.21kergothyep
10:08.27Cloudchaseryou guys are awesome
10:08.29Cloudchaserthank you
10:08.56Com[Plex]k. instaling now.. chug chug chug chug
10:09.16Com[Plex]I dont know why the aqopkg isnt seeing my ipks on the sd card.
10:09.18Com[Plex]weird
10:09.33Cloudchaseri had that happen yesterday
10:09.47Cloudchaserafter i shut off the media mount
10:09.54Com[Plex]rebooting
10:10.02Pendalaranyone use qsound?
10:10.10Cloudchaseri ended up reinstalling the media mount with the same version and that did the trick
10:10.31Com[Plex]shit, im late for lunch!
10:11.04kergothCloudchaser: fbvncserver is in unstable
10:11.19Cloudchaserthanks i will get it now ;)
10:11.29kergoththanks, let me know if it works for you
10:11.38Com[Plex]damnit
10:11.41Com[Plex]still no tssimd
10:11.42Cloudchaseri will
10:11.51Cloudchaserhmmm
10:12.29Razzlerapskat: I resized the movie and converted the sound to 22 khz (mp3, somehow couldn't manage to convert to vorbis). it runs better now, the sound is a bit slower than the movie though. I guess it needs some tweaking but that's at least something
10:13.00Cloudchaserwhats libvncserver kergoth?
10:13.16kergothCloudchaser: its only for development
10:13.29kergothi forgot to remove 'libvncserver', it should be 'libvncserver-dev'
10:13.33Cloudchaserk
10:13.49rapskatRazzle: I was reading and it seems that stereo mp3 is too much for the Z
10:14.02rapskatRazzle: if you use mono it should run better
10:14.18Razzle:(
10:14.35Cloudchasergrr i got error from feed
10:14.55Razzlemaybe if i get vorbis running it might work with stereo, what do you think?
10:15.00rapskatRazzle: or you could use pcm (wav) format...
10:15.10Cloudchaserfailed to download fbvnc
10:15.23Razzleyeah then I'll need a big CF card
10:15.27kergoths/fbvnc/fbvncserver/?
10:15.37rapskatRazzle: from what I read vorbis works great, but it is a pia to convert
10:15.56rapskatcheck here for more info:  http://www.zeb.uklinux.net/encoding.html
10:15.58Razzlei couldn't manage with vdub so I'll try mencoder later
10:17.20Cloudchaseri needed to refresh my list
10:17.22rapskatRazzle: I stream all of my flix from my main box using samba, so size itsn't much of an issue for me ;-)
10:17.28Pendalarugh
10:17.45PendalarI need another CF card.. qtopia desktop keeps crashing reading all the gcc files
10:17.55RazzleI don't have a fast enough connection for video streaming while i'm not at home (16 kb/s up) :(
10:19.34Cloudchasertaking a while to download it
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10:20.24CloudchaserCom[Plex]: did you have any luck?
10:21.18Cloudchaseraqpkg locked up on me
10:21.30Cloudchaserthen opie crashaed when i said to kill it
10:21.42kergothopie always crashes when you tell it to kill an app
10:21.44kergothknown bug
10:21.47kergothannoying
10:22.24Cloudchasergreat
10:22.34trekethat hasnt been fixed yet?
10:22.34Razzleafk
10:22.39kergothtreke: not afaik
10:22.41Cloudchaserapprently not
10:22.54trekeweird. Sandman sounded like he know what the problem was :)
10:23.04kergothmaybe it is, dunno
10:23.08kergothI'll try today's cvs in a few
10:23.37sandman_had no time to look at this yet
10:23.50trekeah
10:24.05Cloudchaserdon't seem to have any luck downloading it kergoth
10:24.10Cloudchaseri'll try from my pc
10:30.41Com[Plex]sorry I dissapeared like that, I had to take my kids up to lunch
10:31.05Cloudchaser:)
10:31.10Cloudchaserhow many kids do you have?
10:31.36Com[Plex]I installed the fbvnc server with the modified postinst. and still no tssmid when installing to sd.
10:31.43Com[Plex]cloud, I have 12 this period :>
10:31.49Com[Plex]im a techer
10:31.50Cloudchaseroh, lol
10:31.58Cloudchasernot a spelling teacher i hope ;)
10:31.58Com[Plex]teecher
10:32.02Com[Plex]:>
10:32.16Com[Plex]well. I can spell perfectly. its typing that I really suck at.
10:32.27trekeI knew it. those teachers werent doing anything productive after all :)
10:32.34Com[Plex]:>
10:32.45Com[Plex]how far did you get with yorus cloud?
10:32.48Com[Plex]yours
10:33.02Com[Plex]I twhere is this new one kergoth made?
10:33.25kergothCom[Plex]: unstable feed
10:33.54Cloudchaser_1WOOOHOOO
10:33.58Com[Plex]uh. IM sorry, I dont know where that is
10:33.59Cloudchaser_it works for me!
10:34.04kergothCloudchaser_: sweet
10:34.06kergothibot: oz feed
10:34.06i guess oz feed is http://www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/feed/
10:34.12Com[Plex]what did you do differently cloud?
10:34.20kergothCom[Plex]: she used my new ipk
10:34.23Cloudchaser_i got the new one from the unstable feed 0
10:34.27Com[Plex]ahh. okay.
10:34.41Cloudchaser_which btw, locked up the z when i tried to gget it from the feed with aqpkg
10:34.48Cloudchaser_i had to get it on laptop
10:34.54kergothweird
10:35.13Cloudchaser_but hell it works! :)
10:35.42Cloudchaser_only biggie now is display problem for tkcApps which is ok til next time i have to do docs
10:36.57Cloudchaser_this is great :) thanks so much kergoth!
10:37.06kergothno problem, sorry it took so long
10:37.27Cloudchaser_i know you're extremely busy
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10:38.59Com[Plex]testing
10:39.35Com[Plex]attempting to isntall to sd.
10:40.31Com[Plex]rebooting
10:42.06Com[Plex]still no
10:42.15Cloudchaserworked for me
10:42.20kergothworks for 3 people so far
10:42.40Com[Plex]damnit.
10:42.51Com[Plex]the oinly thing I can think of, is that I made a symlink yesterday]
10:42.55Cloudchaseri didnt' even look in the processes, i just calibrated and connected and it worked
10:43.33kergothCom[Plex]: does /etc/rc2.d/S97fbvncinput exist?
10:43.50Com[Plex]no
10:43.57Com[Plex]wait
10:44.00Com[Plex]rc2.d?
10:44.03kergothyes
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10:44.37Com[Plex]no. it doiesnt
10:44.45kergothCom[Plex]: then you didnt install my ipk
10:44.56Cloudchaserhello hardwire
10:45.14Com[Plex]uh...
10:45.18Com[Plex]okay then...
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10:45.51edgarwhat does qpe stand for?
10:45.59kergothqpe = qtopia
10:46.03CloudchaserCom[Plex]: what is the filename of the file you installed?
10:46.24Com[Plex]fbvncserver_0.3-2a_arm.ipk
10:46.27edgarwhere can i find the api docs for the Config class which is part of qpe
10:46.33edgardefined in qpe/config.h
10:46.46trekeedgar: qt palmtop environment
10:46.52kergothedgar: in the sdk
10:47.11Cloudchaserok thats the one i got Com[Plex]
10:47.17kergothhmm
10:47.20kergothCom[Plex]: i have an idea, hold on
10:47.41edgarthanks, found it.
10:48.02Com[Plex]I jsut tried something, I had created a directory called rc.d with a symlink in it for init.d yesterday., I jsut removed it, gonna uninstall fbvnc server and try installing it from the command line using ipkg instead of aqpkg
10:48.27Com[Plex]hang on. brbr duty calls/
10:49.22Com[Plex]k. that was easy
10:50.19Com[Plex]okay, uninstalling, and reinstLlinfg
10:50.23hardwirehelo all
10:50.26Com[Plex]= reinstalling
10:51.46Com[Plex]whats the command to install to sd card from the command prompt? lol. I havent done it before.
10:52.13pez2001how do i install oz?
10:52.55kergothpez2001: you read the install guide.
10:52.55Cloudchaserhttp://www.openzaurus.org
10:53.14trekeibot, how do i install oz?
10:53.14Read http://openzaurus.org/oz_website/content/installguide.php
10:53.29Com[Plex]pezx. you select the appropriate zimage file. grab the oz3 initrd.bin file. put thenm in the root dir of your cf card, pclear out any other files from the root of your cf card, put the cf card in your z. and do the reflashdance.
10:54.12trekeanyone know where the name qt came from?
10:54.43pez2001zImage renaming important case sensitive???
10:55.05edgarno, but my guess is its not english - where is trolltech? sweden?
10:55.13kergothnorway afaicr
10:55.16trekeedgar: norway
10:55.27edgarits must be in norwayish then
10:55.34kergothnorwayish?
10:55.35kergothlol
10:56.02Com[Plex]pez. uh. I call it zImage, but I dont know if it mnatters if the I is caps
10:56.36kergothCom[Plex]: i had an idea. try the -2b package from unstable.
10:56.39trekepez2001: Follow the instructions to the letter. if it says zImage, use zImage and not zimage
10:57.08Com[Plex]k.
10:57.15Com[Plex]wgeting
10:57.29kergothk
10:57.46Com[Plex]quesrtion. should that S97 file appear immediately after installing? or only after rebooting?
10:57.54kergothimmediately
10:58.24Com[Plex]k
10:58.37Com[Plex]this last install did not create one. so IM gettin 2b
10:58.49Cloudchaser2b?
10:59.16kergothyeah, 2b
10:59.30kergoth-2b, as in, the revision in the version
10:59.41Cloudchaserright.. did you make another change then?
11:00.15kergothyeah, it doesnt check for the existance of /etc/init.d/fbvncinput
11:00.34kergothwhich is as it should be, because at postinst runtime aqpkg/ipkg-link havent done the symlink back to root yet
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11:02.36kergothzaurus: what a creative nick </smartass>
11:03.06nodaMaybe he typed /nick instead of /join or something :)
11:03.19zaurus:)
11:04.16zaurusanybody here use enforas spyder CF modem and sharp mobile servies?
11:04.36zaurusgot it running with jabber today hehe sweet
11:05.30Com[Plex]okay, installing 2b now
11:05.42Com[Plex]to sd
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11:06.04Com[Plex]grrr.
11:06.07Com[Plex]still no S97
11:06.22kergothsomething is hosed in your system, badly.
11:06.37kergothsh -x /usr/lib/ipkg/info/fbvncserver.postinst configure
11:06.38kergothrun that
11:06.41Com[Plex]jee. I wonder what. since I havemnt screwed wiuth anything to speak of..
11:06.51Com[Plex]sh -x? whats this do?
11:06.55kergothjust run it
11:06.59kergothsame thing set -x does
11:07.06kergothshows commands that get executed
11:07.08Com[Plex]k
11:07.33Com[Plex]file not there.
11:07.42kergothoh
11:07.53kergothsh -x /mnt/card/usr/lib/ipkg/info/fbvncserver.postinst configure
11:07.58kergothheh
11:08.34trekehttp://handhelds.org/scap/port.29126.png
11:09.00kergothegad, how very .. green
11:09.24Com[Plex]okay looks okay till the end when it says "cannot create /usr/local/lib/X11/icewm/menu: no such file or directory
11:09.30kergothCom[Plex]: harmless
11:09.39trekekergoth: maybe it's just me though :)
11:09.40kergothfind /etc -name \*fbvnc\*
11:10.22Com[Plex]how do I do that backward slash?
11:10.25Com[Plex]\
11:11.13kergothyou cant on the hw keyboard afaicr, use an inputmethod
11:11.59Com[Plex]it looks like its there now
11:12.17kergoth?
11:12.18Com[Plex]it is.
11:12.21kergothipkg runs the postinst scripts itself..
11:12.26kergothare you sure this is 2b?
11:12.36Com[Plex]yes. I instaleld it with Aqpkg
11:12.57kergothcat /mnt/card/usr/lib/ipkg/info/fbvncserver.postinst|grep 'init.d'
11:13.02kergothis there a -e or -x test?
11:13.02Com[Plex]2b. abnsoluytley positive. I removed all other vnc foles before I did the install
11:13.17kergothwell itll start next time you reboot
11:13.43Com[Plex]-e
11:13.50kergotheh?
11:14.11kergothweird
11:14.11Com[Plex]cat /mnt/card/usr/lib/ipkg/info/fbvncserver.postinst|grep 'init.d'
11:14.11Com[Plex][13:16] <kergoth> is there a -e or -x test?
11:14.14Com[Plex]there is an -e
11:14.17kergothyes, i get it
11:14.20kergothand i dont see why
11:14.28Com[Plex]if [ -e /etc blah blagh
11:14.34kergothyes, i fucking got it
11:14.36kergoththe first ime
11:14.39kergothjeeze
11:14.41kergothheh
11:14.43Com[Plex]doh. sorry /me dfucks
11:14.45Com[Plex]ducks
11:14.50kergothdfucks?
11:14.55Com[Plex]I CANT TYPE!
11:14.57Com[Plex]lol
11:14.58kergothheheh
11:15.04Com[Plex]plus im on vnc.
11:15.08Com[Plex]cant irc from work..
11:15.57Com[Plex]rebooting the z
11:17.38Com[Plex]tssimd is running
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11:24.54Com[Plex]it works
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11:25.37Cloudchasercool!
11:25.41ComPlxzweeee
11:25.46Cloudchaserso what was the issue in the end?
11:26.00ComPlxzdoesnt look like the postinst ran properly..
11:26.02ComPlxzI dunno.
11:26.41kergothokay heres the issue
11:26.46kergothaqpkg symlinks after running ipkg
11:26.51kergothbut  ipkg runs postinst
11:27.01ComPlxzit wasnt until I ran sh /mnt/card/usr/lib blah blah fbvncserver.postinst configure  that it worke3d
11:27.03kergothin other words, when postinst runs, the /etc/init.d/fbvncinput symlink to your sd card doesnt exist yet
11:27.13kergothwhen you ran it again, you ran it after the symlink was in place
11:27.17kergothso it linked it
11:27.24ComPlxzaaahh
11:27.31ComPlxzso we need a preinst?
11:27.35kergoththe fix i just put into -2c, it creates the rcX.d links regardless of whether /etc/init.d/fbvncinput exists at the time
11:27.39kergothnope
11:27.45ComPlxzahhh
11:27.46ComPlxzcool
11:28.07ComPlxzokay, Ill uninstall and try7 out this 2c :>
11:28.10kergothcool
11:28.14ComPlxzexit
11:28.17ComPlxzuh
11:28.29ComPlxzhnn
11:28.38kergothhehe
11:30.42Com[Plex]now,. do I have to reboot before this S97fbvnc file goes away?>
11:31.17Com[Plex]after uninstalling. the file still exsists.
11:31.20Com[Plex]IM rebooting to see.
11:32.02kergothreboot wont do anything
11:32.09kergothunless you removed with aqpkg, the links wont be removed
11:32.27Com[Plex]uh.. well how will I get rid of that file?
11:32.38Com[Plex]and I just did. remove with aqpkg
11:32.51kergothhmm, prerm should have removed it
11:33.09kergothfind /etc -name \*fbvncinput\* | xargs rm -f
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11:33.34Com[Plex]lol. what the hell is xargs?
11:33.53nodaman xargs
11:33.59kergothnoda: exactly
11:34.00kergothheheh
11:34.05trekea very useful program :)
11:34.10Com[Plex]whos idea of a smart move was it to use \*bname\* in the "find" command?
11:34.20kergothhuh?
11:34.30kergothi dont think you understand why thats being done
11:34.39kergothfind /etc -name "*fbvncinput" would work just as well
11:34.47kergoths/t",t*"
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11:34.55kergothblah
11:34.56benmeyerHey there
11:34.59kergothhey ben
11:35.35I-Ballanybody ever run fbcvnc multiple times?
11:35.37benmeyeranything new going on/
11:35.46trekeCom[Plex]: you are escaping the * so it doesnt try doing find <any files in the current directory that mach *bname*
11:35.57Com[Plex]ahh
11:36.27kergothbingo. need to pass * to find, not have the shell doing substitution
11:36.35trekewhich will usually be no files :)
11:36.41kergothusually
11:36.47kergothheh
11:36.50I-Ballack
11:36.54kergothI-Ball: probs?
11:37.25Com[Plex]k
11:38.05I-Ballno, just wondering...
11:38.37I-Balltake over z with pc, then thru the pc to the z, take over the pc
11:38.55I-Balllike the nested wine trick
11:39.03Cloudchaserand you want to do that why?
11:39.08kergothI-Ball: i did that
11:39.11kergothI-Ball: its funny as hell
11:39.14I-Ballgiggles?
11:39.17nodaBah, too easy :)
11:39.25kergothI-Ball: looks like the infinate recursion when you put two mirrors against one another
11:39.41I-BallK: EXACTLY
11:40.30I-Balljust wondering how many it would take before the z bombs out
11:40.30kergothhah, dunno
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11:41.04I-Balldamn....about an hour to copy my mp3 collection to a new server..
11:41.36I-Ballbought a shuttle xpc for use as an entertainment center :)
11:42.20Com[Plex]k
11:42.27Com[Plex]installing
11:43.04I-Ballare youse guys still playing kergoth's fbvnc ipk?
11:43.22I-Ballplaying WITH rather
11:43.55Com[Plex]no luck kergoth
11:44.05Com[Plex]yes iball
11:44.38I-Balli don't get it....i got it working in like five minutes...
11:45.22Com[Plex]did you use the aqpkg t install it?
11:45.47Com[Plex]I can make it work in two seconds. by running fbvncserver.postinst configure now
11:45.53I-Balli just followed K's quick install he wrote here
11:46.09I-Ballcommand line
11:46.11kergothCom[Plex]: S97fbvncinput doesnt exist?
11:46.18kergothCom[Plex]: cat the postinst, is -e there?
11:46.26Com[Plex]what we are trying here, is for the ipk to be instlalable from a stock system in one shot.
11:46.32kergothright
11:46.41I-Ballgotcha
11:46.48kergothi should reflash so mine is back in a stock state
11:46.55I-Ballcarry on then lads
11:47.09kergothi love how in opie you can drop the icon size down on your tabs
11:47.15kergothgreat when your app list is too damn long
11:47.29Com[Plex]kergoth, S97 does not exsuist.
11:47.31Cloudchaserhmm there's a post on zauruszone about a guy going to japan, and anther guy posted some pics of things that he wanted
11:47.32Com[Plex]catting postinsts
11:47.54Com[Plex]cant find -e
11:48.04kergothso it should work..
11:48.04Cloudchasertheres a neat looking case pictured
11:48.21I-Ballhmmm...maybe i should hop a MAC flight to there..
11:48.39Cloudchaseri would like to find how to get that case
11:48.43Cloudchaserits on a string :)
11:48.58Cloudchaserthere's also a head set too
11:49.23Cloudchaserunfortunately  i can't read japanese
11:49.53Com[Plex]babelfish.altavista.com/tr
11:49.53zauruscan u send link to pic of case?
11:50.02Cloudchasersure
11:50.04zaurusi got case out of japan
11:50.38Cloudchaserhttp://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/invboard/index.php?s=9d4c1f5af149af0888766157c39c1807&&act=Post&CODE=02&f=9&t=4620
11:50.51Cloudchaserbut i'm not sure what store he saw all those things at
11:51.11Cloudchaserthere's one place mentioned there in the first post
11:51.16zaurusill send u pic of my case and u can tell me if thats it? it has area where string can be attached
11:51.40Cloudchaserok
11:51.47Cloudchaseryou have a link to where you got it?
11:51.48I-Ballyeah, i really need a case for this thing
11:51.58Cloudchaseri have a case i got from radio shack
11:52.00Cloudchasergeneric
11:52.11Cloudchaserits nice for when its in my purse
11:52.12kergothCom[Plex]: weird. i'm going to reflash my Z and install it
11:52.27Com[Plex]k
11:52.44kergothman, its nice having fbvncserver working again
11:52.45kergothheh
11:52.49kergothforgot how useful that was
11:52.52Cloudchaserits awesome!
11:53.27Com[Plex]lol
11:54.02Cloudchaserzaurus: i'm trying to accept but its not coming through
11:54.03kergothI'm using my pda as a pda again
11:54.04kergothits weird
11:54.34chouimatkergoth: hehe
11:54.38zaurusemail?
11:54.46Cloudchasernot sure what that means zaurus
11:55.06Cloudchaserwhats dccchat?
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11:56.12I-Balli use mine for everything BUT PIM
11:56.34lsmithyou wipe your ass with your zaurus? ;-)
11:56.49trekelsmith: why not?
11:57.02I-Ballscan for rogue wireless at work, portscan new baselined machines, email, chat, Ultima 7 (not with OZ tho)
11:57.07lsmithcan the display handle it?
11:57.25trekelsmith: compact flash toilet paper roll
11:57.46I-Ballits a little rough around the edges and the wireless gets in the way
11:57.49chouimat|lunchI-Ball: playing exult on the Z is not quite as playing on the desktop
11:57.54ljp_workautomatic cf toilet paper roll
11:58.22Cloudchaserhas anyone used zmame?
11:58.24I-BallOOOOOOOOWWWWWW!
11:58.34I-Ballcloud: me
11:58.36Cloudchaseri see that there's one someone did work on but it doesn't work on oz
11:58.38I-Ballworks fine
11:58.49chouimat|lunchI-Ball: you had problem with the stylus?
11:58.51Cloudchaseron oz?
11:58.55I-BallLordDevon has recompiled a new one
11:59.09I-Ballnot yet....just reflashed today
11:59.25trekeactually two apps. If it could handle being a cellphone and having some sort of universal store shit here app, I'd be happy
12:00.12I-Ballthen you wouldn't need a bathroom (just store "shit" here app)
12:00.20trekeblah
12:00.25Com[Plex]time to go home. cya in ten
12:00.38I-Ballnine
12:00.44I-Balleight
12:00.48I-Ballseven
12:00.50I-Ballsix
12:00.52I-Ballfive
12:00.54I-Ballfour
12:00.56I-Ballthree
12:00.58I-Balltwo
12:01.00I-Ballone
12:01.08I-Ball...you home yet?
12:01.35I-BallFarscape season one...here I go.
12:02.42trekewhat I'd like is some form of app with a useful searching interface that I can use to store all the miscellaneous tidbits I currently record in the note pad
12:02.57trekeand maybe link them together
12:03.45ljp_worknotesapplet?
12:03.54trekeljp_work: not quite
12:04.19trekeljp_work: dont forget the searching part
12:05.43trekeproblem is I know a few things I want it to do without knowing how I really want it to work
12:06.09ljp_worksearching part is you looking through the file :)
12:06.34ljp_worksearching through a note? or through the filesystem?
12:06.42trekeljp_work: searching for a note
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12:06.53I-BallFarscape season one-fest
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12:07.01ljp_workahh.. hmmm..
12:07.02trekethe note itself may only be a dozen words, but there would be a lot of them
12:07.30ljp_workya like a grep fucntion
12:08.08trekeMaybe it would be easier to describe ( and for me to write ) if I could actually figure out what I want :)
12:08.22trekewhat I have ind mine is vaguely wikish
12:08.54ljp_workfine. searching is you looking through all the files. :)
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12:10.56BigBossgreetings earthlings
12:11.04xml0evening
12:11.11BigBossanyone else get spammed by pdapointer.com?
12:11.23BigBosswhich is?
12:11.51trekeBigBoss: not really sure :) You missed that part of this conversation
12:11.55xml0a question for you. would it be possible for your contacts app to initiate the dialing of a phone?
12:12.37BigBossxml0: I had a watch that could do that years ago by issuing the tones into the receiver, but there is really no way to modulate the tone out of the buzzer on the zaurus
12:12.42BigBossis that what you mean?
12:12.56trekemy old nino used to do that also. it rocked :)
12:13.21ljp_workhe wants one app that does everything
12:13.24trekeparticularly with its voice control software
12:13.24xml0no, I mean by issuing AT commands over IR or bluetooth
12:13.40trekeljp_work: now you've got the idea :)
12:13.49BigBosswhy do you want to issue modem commands?
12:14.03xml0I want to tell my phone to dial the contact
12:14.33BigBossthe only generic way to do that is by generating the tones
12:14.53xml0you can tell just about any GSM phone to dial a number
12:15.19BigBosswell telling a GSM phone is different than just telling a phone
12:15.31xml0sorry. that's what I meant. a mobile phone
12:15.37BigBossif you are talking about a specific feature, you could probably beam something to an ir enabled phone
12:16.14BigBossif you want tkcAddressBook to have that feature, log it in Mantis with some specifics and we'll check it.
12:16.28BigBossI know Max talks to his cell phone over infrared all the time from the zaurus
12:16.34BigBossthat is how he uses tkcJabber
12:17.19xml0ok. I'll do that. cheers
12:19.59xml0though I haven't had time to get bluetooth working on my z yet
12:20.02xml0need to do that first
12:20.11BigBossgood luck :)
12:21.43xml0works fine on my laptop, but getting it working on an ancient kernel is more tricky
12:22.54Com[Plex]...
12:23.11Cloudchaserheya BigBoss :0 how are you doing today?
12:23.19CloudchaserCom[Plex]: did you get it all working, the vnc?
12:23.56Com[Plex]I have it working yes, the problem is, that it doesnt just work 'ootb'
12:24.16Com[Plex]its gotta run, from a stock install. run from within aqpkg, and go. ya know?
12:24.21BigBossCloudchaser: not bad, just taking care of business
12:24.33Com[Plex]itsw running tho. so we are almost there.
12:24.48Cloudchaserwill the changes you make affect someone who doesn't have the same issues?
12:25.07BigBossoh, we updated the tkcRadio database, the free version of tkcRadio now has about 7 stations in it.  It's a bugger finding ogg stations
12:25.13Com[Plex]?
12:25.25Cloudchaserso is the big list updated?
12:25.38Cloudchaserit will update on its own on our end, right?
12:25.42Com[Plex]uh... are you still talking to me or to bb?
12:25.50Cloudchaserhehe that time bb
12:25.56Com[Plex]ahh. IM lost. hehe
12:26.28chouimatback
12:26.51CloudchaserCom[Plex]: Well i'll stick with version a since it works :)
12:27.09chouimatBigBoss: ogg stations exist? :P
12:27.17DaJokeryes, they do
12:27.18DaJoker;)
12:27.31Com[Plex]cloud, at this point the only thing getting changed is the post inst script.
12:27.52Com[Plex]it works for you, but anyone who coms out with a stock fresh OZ3 install will not be able to just use that
12:27.56BigBosschouimat: yes, just hard to find
12:28.10BigBossand at least 1 stopped transmitting in the week between finding it and trying to add it
12:28.38Com[Plex]they will have to install it with aqpkg, and then run; sh -x /installpath/usr/lib/ipkg/info/fbvncserver.postinst configure
12:28.42CloudchaserCom[Plex]: what do i have if not a stock oz install?
12:28.43Com[Plex]that makes it go.
12:28.58Cloudchaseri only updated the volume applet
12:28.59Com[Plex]cloud, stock I mean, without anything else isntalled.
12:29.13Com[Plex]*sigh* did you use aqpkg to install it?
12:29.13chouimatBigBoss: any news?
12:29.17Cloudchaseryes i did
12:29.22Com[Plex]how many tims did you try installing?
12:29.36Cloudchaserversion a? just once
12:29.40Com[Plex]did you install to SD? or root?
12:29.42Cloudchaserall the versions probly 10
12:29.44CloudchaserSD
12:30.03Com[Plex]something you tried before. left remnants behind that put the symlink where it needed to be.
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12:30.14Com[Plex]I cleaned up my install. removing that symlink each time.
12:30.18Cloudchaseroh i see
12:30.38Cloudchaseri removedd manually alot of things, but not any symlinks, just vnc files
12:30.50Razzleis there a way to password-protect individual files?
12:30.52Cloudchaserok thanks for explaining that to me
12:30.53Com[Plex]yesterday kergoth said to ln -sf /etc/rc.d ../init.d - did you perform that command?
12:31.06Cloudchasercan anyone here read japanese?
12:31.14Com[Plex]I can translate a little.
12:31.16Razzlemy gf can
12:31.17Com[Plex]link me
12:31.20BigBosschouimat: nothing specific to annouceyet
12:31.21Razzlelink
12:32.18chouimatBigBoss: ok
12:32.21Com[Plex]bb
12:32.29CloudchaserCom[Plex]: no
12:32.34chouimatshit! 9 weeks before getting that board :(
12:32.38Com[Plex]the updates to your software. I beleive I do detect a marginal improvement on speed.
12:32.55Com[Plex]marginal = considerable
12:33.00Com[Plex]well done
12:33.09Cloudchaserwhich ones Com[Plex]:?
12:33.21Com[Plex]editor, mahjong. uh.. some tohers..
12:33.23Com[Plex]others.
12:33.28BigBossCom[Plex]: excellent
12:33.30Com[Plex]mahjong sped up a ton
12:33.41Com[Plex]no more making coffee while trying to load a new board.
12:33.44BigBossyes, I don't see any delayes in mahjongg at all
12:33.49Com[Plex]takes like two seconds flat.
12:33.53Cloudchasercool
12:33.59Razzledoes anyone know if there is a way to password-protect individual files?
12:34.13Com[Plex]in the zaurus Razzle?
12:34.13kergoth`lunchRazzle: pgp?
12:34.17Cloudchasereditor is the one that i'll like the best
12:34.28Razzleyeah, in the z
12:34.36Razzlepgp works on the Z?
12:34.43Cloudchaserhave a nice lunch kergoth?
12:34.45BigBossthere are some other updates to tkcEditor coming, like the wordwrap and possibly some more speed improvements
12:34.54Cloudchaserthat will be great
12:34.55kergothgnupg does, but the Z doesnt produce much for entropy
12:35.02kergothCloudchaser: yeah, i did, thanks :)
12:35.25Com[Plex]cloud, yeah, editor owns. - its kind of ironic, I actually end up using vi more than anything. and Imm allways like 20 changes into it, and saying " Man, why didnt i just use editor?"
12:36.28Razzlei just need to protect some certain files from someone's eyes
12:36.30Com[Plex]Razzle: try hiding them. hehe.
12:36.30Cloudchaservi on the z is icky
12:36.30treketry not giving them the z
12:36.30kergothbusybox vi is crap
12:36.30Com[Plex]bury them, and rename them to .filename
12:36.39Com[Plex]kergoth. Im used to it. therefore I use it.
12:36.48Razzlei have to give away the z and hiding them won't do the job I think
12:36.50Razzlehm
12:36.52Com[Plex]I dont feel like trying to learn yet another viewer.
12:37.04Com[Plex]why would you want to leave files on a z your giving away?
12:37.13Com[Plex]viewer = editor.
12:38.08Cloudchaserdelete them or copy them to your pc and then delete them
12:38.11Razzlethey're pictures I want to show to someone but someone else sometimes gets his (her) hands on my z so I want to make sure she won't see them
12:38.17Com[Plex]raz : if you want to leave your files on a z your giving away. you are joining the "I got no idea what your talking about club"
12:38.32Cloudchaserput them on a cf card
12:38.39trekeRazzle: just use the password locking app thingy
12:38.39Com[Plex]raz. then change the name to .filename
12:38.47Com[Plex]put a . in front of the name and they dissapear
12:38.54RazzleI know
12:39.02Razzlethey still can be listed
12:39.02Com[Plex]bury then in something like /usr/lib/ipkg/info/lists or something
12:39.03Razzleanyway
12:39.11Razzlemaybe that's a bit too much security
12:39.15Com[Plex]lol
12:39.56Cloudchaseror if you're that worried..don't put them on the z
12:40.20Razzlebut I COULD encrypt them with gnupg, right?
12:40.43Razzlejust curious
12:40.45trekeyes
12:40.55Razzleok
12:41.01Razzlethx
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12:43.27Bovineibot xcompile
12:43.27rumour has it, xcompile is see oz toolchain
12:43.31benmeyerIs the liquid sytle commercial?
12:43.39Bovineibot toolchain
12:43.39it has been said that toolchain is at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/Toolchains
12:43.40kergothbenmeyer: ?
12:43.55benmeyerSomeone changed it on killefiz to Commercial
12:44.09benmeyeraprrove/disaprove etc
12:44.17kergothdunno what license it is, but the source is avail
12:44.27BigBossliquid is gpl
12:44.30trekebenmeyer: its gpl
12:44.33kergothheh
12:44.36kergoth:)
12:45.04benmeyerI think  that is dual
12:45.21benmeyerI doubt it is as good
12:45.26benmeyerSharp probably fixed bugs.
12:45.38trekebut thats mainly based off its nonexistance in the sf source tree
12:45.47kergothtreke: its in the sf source tree
12:45.52kergothtreke: in the Attic. it was cvs rm'd
12:46.03trekekergoth: oh
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12:51.03Com[Plex]hey kergoth: did you flash your z to stock?
12:51.22Com[Plex]I got a question.
12:51.25kergothCom[Plex]: nah, relaxing a bit, am on my lunch
12:51.39Com[Plex]oh.. well. I coudl wait till after.
12:53.46Com[Plex]actually. breifly. : in the postinst script, here it says "if [ -e /etc/init.d/fbvncserver ]; then, if its having a hard time finding that link, couldn yuo ditch the if part entirely? like. why bother if its there or not. why not just do it anyway?
12:54.06kergothCom[Plex]: huh?
12:54.07Com[Plex]let me guess.. if its not there, it wont run
12:54.14kergothCom[Plex]: it doesnt do that if in -2c
12:54.26Com[Plex]uh.. really..
12:54.29Com[Plex]hang on. let me see
12:54.40Com[Plex]omg
12:56.46Com[Plex]what is this x11 stuff for anyway?
12:57.05kergoth?
12:57.13Com[Plex]echo "prog \"VNC server\" vncserver vncserver_x11" >> /usr/local/lib/X11/icewm/menu
12:57.24kergoththe fbvncserver works all the time
12:57.29kergothwhether in console, x, opie, what have you
12:57.32Com[Plex]ahh
12:57.39kergoththat adds a menu item to the icewm menu
12:57.51kergothbut i need to put that within an if [ -e /usr/lib/X11/icewm/menu ] or something
12:57.58kergothsomethign like that
12:57.59Com[Plex]ahh. yes..
12:58.12kergoththat'll silence those errors
12:58.17Com[Plex]I can do that right now.
12:58.27kergothwe can just comment that stuff out for now, as i dont have a means of testing it atm anyway
12:58.39kergothand we should be using the debian menus system for menu stuff anyway
12:59.45Com[Plex]hmm.
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13:11.46kergothbenmeyer: /window 12
13:11.47kergother
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13:21.07ljp_workgreat googli moogli!
13:21.52chouimatljp_work: google's god?
13:22.34BigBosschouimat: we are getting some Symphony X stuff as giveaways from progrock.com soon
13:22.53BigBosssome tour posters and the live album
13:23.13chouimatBigBoss: Steven Wilson is appering on the new Opeth album
13:23.58BigBossoh cool
13:24.12BigBossdid you hear Gildenow on the new Flower Kings?
13:24.17chouimatBigBoss: and he produced the album with them
13:24.19BigBossthe main dude from Pain of Salvation
13:24.25chouimatBigBoss: no
13:24.47BigBossthe darn CD is over 2 hours
13:24.49BigBoss2 CD's
13:24.54chouimatBigBoss: did you receive the odyssey?
13:25.36BigBossnot yet - might be in my PO box though, I haven't been to check in a few days
13:25.44BigBosschouimat: are you near Toronto?
13:26.07chouimatBigBoss: yup. Quebec City :P
13:26.29BigBosshave you hear about this Real World Linux expo coming up in April?
13:26.38chouimatno
13:26.57ljp_workmy high school drummers current band http://www.singularitymusic.com/sounds.html
13:27.50BigBosswww.realworldlinux.com
13:28.06BigBossi'm thinking about doing a booth there
13:28.17chouimatcool
13:28.27BigBossbut I don't know with all those crazy canadians running around - they are mad, MAD I tell you :)
13:28.52chouimatyup toronto inhabitant don't know how to drink
13:29.12chouimatand montrealers too
13:29.39chouimatoufff! noda not here
13:29.52BigBossI can get air fare for about $400 round trip, which doesn't seem terribly bad
13:30.06chouimatBigBoss: very good
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13:30.51BigBossI can probably get it cheaper hunting around.  I'm just so adverse to spending any money whatsoever
13:31.10BigBossthen I've got to do brochures and products for the show
13:31.14BigBossyikes - it just never ends
13:32.01chouimatBigBoss: haha. I don't like to spend money too. My ex-wife spended my pay check faster than me drinking 24 beers
13:32.19Cloudchaserhey neo, you by chance here?
13:33.47BigBossoh boy, that oil tanker off of spain has totally sunk
13:33.51BigBossthat is going to be a nightmare
13:34.08chouimatBigBoss: yup
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13:34.30trekean oil tanker sunk?
13:34.38noiddyeah - 70,000 tonnes
13:34.38BigBosshttp://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,70813,00.html
13:34.49BigBossthis is gonna make the Exxon Valdez look like a picnic
13:34.51noiddwe've had live feed of it sinking for days
13:35.14noiddits funny - cos ports in every country refused it entry
13:35.42BigBossso now the problem will be millions of times worse
13:35.48noiddthen a portugese battleship pushed it into international waters off spain where it broke up in bad weather
13:35.58noiddthe spanish *HATE* the portugese right now :-)
13:36.02BigBossthat thing sinks and if the tanks don't totally rupture immediately, it will leak slowly for years
13:36.21BigBossit was Bahammas flagged - I didn't know they exported oil from teh bahamas
13:36.29noiddits twice to three times the exon valdese
13:37.09BigBosspretty stupid of portagal since most of their country is coast line
13:37.24ljp_workhavent the spanish always hated the portugese?
13:37.30noiddthey wanted to make sure it sunk in someone elses waters
13:37.33noiddand they succeeded
13:38.22ljp_workthats not crude oil either, its fuel oil
13:38.33noiddyup
13:38.59BigBosswell, I suppose they could burn it off
13:39.15BigBossdon't they have some parasites or something that eat oil?
13:39.15noiddI grew up on the Cleddau river, which is the third largest deep water harbour in the world
13:39.23BigBossor was that a science fiction story I read
13:39.32noiddhas 5 oil refineries on it - so we saw those tankers - up close - day in, day out
13:39.37noiddthey are *ammazing
13:40.28sandman_ibot: sandman
13:40.28well, sandman is the author of the QPdf PDF viewer or available at mailto:sandman@handhelds.org or doing busybox hacks, or the OPIE programming god
13:40.28noiddyou just cannot describe how big they are
13:40.28BigBossyea, they are damn huge
13:40.28BigBossI use to sail my boat out to Catalina Island and go by them all the time
13:41.49noiddvery cool
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14:05.06lsmithanyone use drzblind?
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14:07.27benmeyeryup
14:07.42benmeyeranyone know how it works?
14:08.09lsmith"Tap the gray applet icon on the Taskbar to turn off the LCD. Turn on hardware buttons are [Cancel], [OK], [Up], [Down], [Left], [Right] and [Select]. Other hardware buttons won't turn on the LCD anymore."
14:08.15lsmithi just cant find the tab
14:08.27benmeyerI mean programing wise
14:08.31benmeyerwhat kernel call
14:08.34lsmithah
14:08.35lsmith:-)
14:08.38kergothbenmeyer: oh, i could tell you that
14:08.39kergothbenmeyer: heh
14:08.46lsmithare you using stock rom or oz?
14:08.53kergothlsmith: irrelevant
14:08.55benmeyerboth
14:09.07benmeyerI have 4 z's :-DF
14:09.11lsmithkergoth: well i restarted qpe but it still does not show the tab
14:09.12Twiuncat something > /proc/collie_blah?
14:10.20noiddello
14:10.38noiddsorry, got dragged into a political debate next door
14:11.21noiddthey were talking about gun control
14:11.23noiddso I shot them
14:11.24lsmithkergoth: but it simply doesnt show up in any tab
14:11.25noidd:-)
14:11.31kergothnoidd: nice.
14:11.41noiddwe try
14:12.07lsmithis there a way to check or manually add an app to one of the qpe tabs?
14:12.11noiddoh kergoth, quick one line question... The flags to pass to ./configure for cross compiling to the Z is.... ? :-)
14:12.13lsmithhmm isnt there an app for that?
14:12.19noiddbeen fighting with my compiler all day
14:12.22kergothnoidd: --host=arm-linux --build=x86-linux
14:12.57lsmithdoh!
14:13.00lsmithits in the taskbar
14:13.16lsmithnarf ...
14:13.49lsmithso now i am one step closer to making my zaurus a decent portable music player
14:14.02noiddkergoth: its not picking up the fact its a cross compiler
14:14.09lsmithbut now i have the problem that any key activates the screen
14:14.15kergothnoidd: then you need to set CC, CXX, LD, et cetera
14:14.16lsmithwhich means i cant put the thing in my pocket
14:14.21bipolarkergoth: I give up. KDE just won't build. I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong.
14:14.28noiddah ha!
14:14.30noiddthanks :-)
14:14.51lsmithanyone know an app that can help me there ... like some app that locks the keys unless you press a special key kombo ..
14:14.59noiddkergoth: do you use the rpmed compiler environment or the toolchain in /usr/local/arm
14:14.59noidd?
14:15.23noidd<PROTECTED>
14:15.32noidddoh, i just realised how stupid that question was :-)
14:15.40kergothhehe
14:15.48noiddwas probably you that packaged this one
14:15.53noiddibot, oz toolchain?
14:15.53i guess oz toolchain is http://www.openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/, or mkdir /usr/local/arm and extract them in there.
14:15.57kergothnah, the 2.95 one was done by erikm
14:16.02kergoththe 3.2 toolchain there i built
14:16.10noiddkergoth: any docs for those - couldn't find any refernce to it on the website
14:16.19kergothnoidd: docs what docs?
14:16.22kergoth*ahem*
14:16.27kergothtar zxvf cross-2.95.3.tar.bz2
14:16.31kergoth...
14:16.38kergothexport PATH=/usr/local/arm/2.95.3/bin:$PATH
14:16.44kergoth</instructions>
14:17.16noiddyeah - except that still doesn't stop configure using /usr/bin/gcc
14:17.33kergothi just told you
14:17.35kergothset CC
14:17.41kergothexport CC=arm-linux-gcc;
14:17.49kergoth./configure --host=arm-linux --build=x86-linux
14:17.50kergothdone
14:17.55noiddok, lets get that a go
14:18.13kergothas i said, you need to set CC, CXX, LD, STRIP, et cetera
14:18.32noiddany idea where I would find a list of those env variable
14:18.38noiddsince I don't know what the etc would be
14:18.42kergoththey arent standard.
14:18.48kergothits dependent on the buildsystem in question
14:19.11noiddugh, ok - i'll see what I can fight with
14:19.21noiddi'll let you know how it goes (or doesn't)
14:19.33kergothhehe
14:19.33kergothk
14:23.41noiddcreating an environment variable for every binary in 2.95/bin
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14:34.36Com[Plex]lol
14:35.36Com[Plex]*bonk*
14:36.12Com[Plex]sup kergoth
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14:46.15Yolkhave problems with zaurus -> linux-desktop connection, can anyone help?
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14:46.15Com[Plex]sure
14:46.15Com[Plex]you got the latest qtdesktop?
14:46.15Com[Plex]1.6
14:46.33Yolki don't use qtdesktop at all, the problem is the usb-connection
14:46.46Com[Plex]got your IPS set right? the desktop should be set for 192.168.whatever.1 and the z should be 200 I think..
14:47.37Yolki set up the correction correctly, but the system hangs after approx. 200kb data transfer to the zaurus, the other direction works
14:47.47Com[Plex]!?
14:47.50Com[Plex]erally
14:48.13Yolki mean the desktop hangs, not the z
14:49.05Com[Plex]wow...
14:49.08Com[Plex]thats sucky!
14:49.12Com[Plex]anyone wanan take this one?
14:49.16Yolki use 2.4.19 with latest usbdnet, but i tried 2.4.20 with usbnet, same effects
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14:49.31CrazyGogoheyas
14:49.41pez2001big files are a problem in my case....
14:50.01Com[Plex]after only 200k?
14:50.03Com[Plex]yikes..
14:50.12TheMasterMind1basically, the problem is that usbdnet is absolute shit
14:50.15Yolkmaximum is 400kb
14:50.15Com[Plex]from the z to the pc? or vice versa?
14:50.21pez2001if it goes above 8 mb its critical although i copied the monster.so3 of dott on a cf without problems ;-)
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14:50.36TheMasterMind1there's a patch for usbnet with zaurus capability for the 2.4.prex kernels
14:50.42Com[Plex]dottt = pwn
14:50.46TheMasterMind1if you feel like updating kernels and all
14:50.53Yolki mean from pc to zaurus
14:50.55Com[Plex]very cool game. I played that all the way through
14:51.13TheMasterMind1dottt ?
14:51.22TheMasterMind1oh, i got stuck after 4 mins of playing
14:51.24TheMasterMind1had no idea what to do
14:51.40TheMasterMind1and wtf is pwn ?
14:51.43lsmithare there any good zaurus related ML's?
14:51.45CrazyGogohmmm... i cant see any tkc merchandise in the shop.... !?
14:51.47pez2001i played every lucas arts adventure thru most of them 2 or 3 times...
14:52.12pez2001mastermind : the clock;-)
14:52.32Yolkno idea to fix this?
14:52.34TheMasterMind1i tried the clock
14:52.36TheMasterMind1nothing happened
14:52.41TheMasterMind1it wouldn't move or anything
14:52.48pez2001open clock....
14:52.52TheMasterMind1hmm
14:52.53TheMasterMind1ok
14:53.05pez2001there you go ;-)
14:54.09Com[Plex]tmm: pwn is a type of own. own = rules = awesome. ya know..
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14:56.17kryhme_workkergoth, you around?
14:57.11Yolkwhich 2.5.x-kernel is quite stable and definitly works with the zaurus?
14:57.18pez2001is there free space left in the initrd.bin of oz3?
14:58.18pez2001and who in hell invented the /opt tree ??? ;-)
14:58.34kryhme_worklinus torvalds
14:58.39kryhme_work:0)
14:58.45pez2001i mean whats /usr/local be for ??
14:58.54kryhme_worknot really, but he's the only name i know
14:58.59trekepez2001: usr local is for admin installed packages
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14:59.00kryhme_worki'm sure it was some dudes at hp
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14:59.09pez2001and opt ?
14:59.12pez2001<PROTECTED>
14:59.26treke<PROTECTED>
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14:59.49trekethings like qtopia
14:59.56pez2001hmm i dont like this structure.... bloated in my eyes...
15:00.04pez2001should be much simpler....
15:00.24pez2001usr/local and opt should be killed.....
15:00.30trekewhy?
15:00.40Yolkis there nobody here with a working zaurus-connection?
15:00.43pez2001for a cleaner directory view ;-)
15:01.12pez2001or why not /usr/opt
15:01.12treke<PROTECTED>
15:01.31pez2001could also go into /usr
15:02.06pez2001i thought its more a location for the users to install their own compiled libs and stuff
15:02.19trekepez2001: Thats exactly what I said
15:02.43trekeexcept I group libraries and applications together :)
15:03.07pez2001hmmm i just think this local crap could all be in /usr
15:03.30trekepez2001: /usr isnt necesarrily a local partition. It may be network mounted
15:03.39pez2001right...
15:04.02treke<PROTECTED>
15:05.17trekepez2001: If its network mounted, you dont necesarrily want to put libraries and applications specific to one machine on it, more than one machine may be mounting it. It may even be read only
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15:06.28pez2001i understand
15:07.04pez2001i saw the seperation in the installation but i never thought a step further in conjunction with local
15:08.06trekepersonally, i dont like or use opt.
15:08.34pez2001me either... it all belongs in local or usr
15:11.46trekeI just cludge /opt stuff into /usr/local, which while not necesarrily a good thing, makes a better use of my space
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15:15.09Razzlehm I think my Z just crashed..it doesn't react anymore
15:15.43Razzlehow can I reset it without losing data?
15:16.20fiermanjust open the battery lid, dont press the reset button, and close the lid again
15:16.57Razzleok...booting.....
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15:17.07Razzlewtf
15:17.13Razzle?
15:17.22Razzlei just got a bunch of error messages on my screen
15:17.45Razzledirectories being invalid and some other stuff
15:17.53fiermanit should boot further?
15:18.09Razzleyeah it did
15:18.45Razzleit seems to be alright again. Battery's empty though. That might've been the reason for the crash (while I synced it)
15:20.08fierman*phew*
15:20.46Razzlethanks for your help
15:20.51RazzleI'll go recharge it
15:24.28guiseddoes anyone know how i can get a background pic to work on OZ
15:24.34kergothguised: rtfm
15:24.40guisedibot faq
15:24.40faq is, like, at http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/ or at http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/handhelds-faq.html or at http://adorphuye.com/zaurus/java/faq.jsp or at http://www.travellingkiwi.com/zarus/faq/faq.html or at http://www.openzaurus.org/
15:24.40kergothguised: its in launcher settings
15:24.52kergothguised: click on all tabs, hit edit, select a background image
15:24.57guisedi did that
15:25.02kergothand?
15:25.04kergothworks flawless here
15:25.09guisedall i got was a clear background
15:25.10kergothwhat format is the image you're trying to use?
15:25.18guisedi tried jpeg and bmp
15:25.24guisedwhat should i have used?
15:25.29kergothjpeg works fine
15:25.36kergoththe default background is jpeg
15:25.57guisedhmm
15:26.10guisedmaybe if i degrade the quality of the jpeg
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15:26.37TheMasterMind1maybe its too big in size
15:27.05guisedits 320 240
15:29.33guisedhmm
15:29.46guiseddoes it need to be in a specific folder?
15:30.39fierman!
15:31.02Cloudchaserhey TheMasterMind1: where do you get those icons?
15:31.02TheMasterMind1fierman: %
15:31.42fiermanoddness
15:31.49TheMasterMind1Cloudchaser: http://www.crystalicons.kit.net/downloads.html .. you'll have to install them yourself. edit .desktop files and change what icons are used. or just wait for DaWorm to make a theme/ipks from it
15:32.06Cloudchaserok thanks
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15:47.14prpplagueoGMo: lo
15:47.14oGMoprpplague: hey :)
15:47.14oGMoprpplague: got em? ;)
15:47.46kergothGAH
15:47.48kergothtoday sucks too
15:48.14trekewelcome to tuesday. also known as monday version2
15:48.16WintreAhh
15:48.19WintreThere is benmeyer
15:48.23kergothmonday continued.
15:48.24chouimatkergoth: got the source of VisualBoyAdvance
15:48.39ljp_workits all the same day, man
15:49.10oGMokergoth: that's _exactly_ what tuesday is
15:49.14chouimatkergoth: you need vacations
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15:49.19oGMoMonday: the Sequel
15:49.22Hironimo:)
15:49.23kergothchouimat: yes. this weekend i'm having one
15:49.50chouimatkergoth: I'm on vacations: Dec 19-January 3
15:50.16treke<kergoth> bastard
15:50.20kergothheeh
15:50.21guisedi don't get it... why isn't the background coming up
15:50.29kergoth!dratsab
15:50.43Hironimocan someone explain me why i need two exclusive dns server for a domain name to have it resolve to an IP?
15:50.51kergothHironimo: ?
15:51.17nodaHironimo: You don't.
15:51.27Hironimoyea - when you have a firstlevel domain like somedomain.com and want it to resolve to some ip.
15:51.31WintreStrictly speaking you don't.
15:51.40kergothHironimo: no, you dont.
15:51.41nodaErm. I don't understand the question.
15:51.42chouimatarrrrrrrrrrggggggggggg snow tomorrow
15:51.43WintreFor the sake of reliability you should.
15:51.59trekeHironimo: you want more than one so your domain will continue to resolve should one machine die
15:51.59noda"firstlevel"? "exclusive"?
15:52.01chouimatand rain thursday wtf
15:52.02Hironimook, theoretically it would work with one too, but would it work with just some dns server?
15:52.12kergoth?
15:52.13WintreIt's the difference between a technical requirement and a good practice
15:52.16nodaJust some DNS server?
15:52.18Hironimohm..
15:52.22Hironimodarn
15:52.29trekeHironimo: It has to be a dns server configured to serve that domain
15:52.32WintreNo, both must be authoritative for your domain
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15:52.37kergothHironimo: buy a book
15:52.46kergothHironimo: the one i just smacked you with is pretty good
15:52.53nodaHironimo: You can install BIND on whatever computer you're running right now, register it, and bingo, a day from now you've got a domain.
15:52.58WintreOr at the very least read the DNS-HOWTO
15:53.04Hironimoaha. well i dont want to get expert on it
15:53.05kergothhehe
15:53.08noda(Only real requirement is a computer with a static IP)
15:53.12Hironimoi'm no network admin
15:53.21WintreHironimo: If you want a domain it helps a lot to understand the concepts
15:53.29trekeHironimo: then get one to set it up for you
15:53.30Hironimoi just want to run a server on a public domain
15:53.31kergothHironimo: read the howto at least
15:53.35Wintrenoda: Boo, that's crappy ad-hockery
15:53.39kergothHironimo: i would recommend reading the book, if you want to run it yourself
15:53.47Hironimoaha
15:53.47trekeHironimo: or pay somebody to handle it for you
15:53.48nodaWintre: Heh, works :)
15:53.49kergothHironimo: otherwise pay someone to do it
15:53.51kergothexactly
15:53.54Hironimoaha.
15:53.55Wintrenoda: Boo, that's crappy ad-hockery
15:54.02Wintre"It works" isn't much of a criterion.
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15:54.09TheMasterMind1no, not necessarily
15:54.12TheMasterMind1you can use hostAP
15:54.13nodaYeah, I'm just pointing out you don't really NEED anything.
15:54.14Hironimobut it will work without dns server for secondary domain?
15:54.26TheMasterMind1eh, nm
15:54.26nodaHironimo: You mean a secondary DNS server for the ONE domain?
15:54.32Wintrewhat noda said
15:54.35trekeHironimo: Most registrars wont let you register without a second server
15:54.36WintreYes, it will work.
15:54.41WintreIt's a bad idea.
15:54.46trekeat least most of the ones I've used
15:54.49nodatreke: You sure about that?
15:54.50Hironimoright, thats also like that with mine
15:54.56WintreEasyDNS for example will provide you with secondary service
15:54.58trekenoda: Like I said, the ones I've used
15:55.15WintreSo you can use them as a registrar and they'll slave to your master server
15:55.21nodaHere, let's see, I'm gonna go register apollo-computers.com.
15:55.23kergotheasyDNS is nice
15:55.30nodaFuck, it's taken :(
15:55.34kergothI have most of my dns run by them atm
15:55.37Hironimoi also have a secondary name. but thats not pretty. now i got myself a first level domain and want to use it the best way
15:55.39nodaErm... hrm.
15:55.43trekereasonably priced. good service
15:55.46Wintrekergoth: We're using them almost exclusively
15:55.52chouimatnoda: assramingcomputer.com is avalaible
15:55.59WintreHironimo: "secondary name"?
15:56.00kergothchouimat: you're always so helpful
15:56.02nodaHironimo: You *should* have two servers, you can live with one. You don't need more than one domain name.
15:56.26Wintreassramingcomputer.com isn't even spelled correctly
15:56.36chouimatnoda: they request you have two servers
15:56.41trekeHironimo: look at it this way. You only need one lung to live. But you have two of them for a reason
15:56.48TheMasterMind1lol
15:56.56kergothtreke: nice analogy
15:56.58kergothtreke: i like that
15:57.00kergothheheh
15:57.03TheMasterMind1indeed
15:57.05trekehehe
15:57.05Hironimoyea. say i've registered mydom.net and i'd create subdomain mypc.mydom.net, could i just enter the ip and thats it, no additional servers needed?
15:57.10WintreHah
15:57.11kergothsysvinit hates me
15:57.13Wintrewell put.
15:57.25Hironimokreke: i have got it till know why two servers
15:57.32WintreHironimo: No, because you still need a server to be authoritative for mydom.net
15:57.35kergothHironimo: 'create mypc.mydom.net'?
15:57.36Hironimothats not the prob. i couldnt provide even one
15:57.57WintreHironimo: go read the HOWTO instead of asking #zaurus
15:58.01Hironimohm
15:58.16nodaYou could always register your second computer as 1.2.3.4, it won't get queried as long as the first one's up.
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15:58.18kergoth*ahem*
15:58.21kergothHironimo: RTFM
15:58.26kergothheheh
15:58.29nodaHironimo: You only need two in case the first goes down.
15:58.29Hironimook. where is that RTFM then
15:58.30Wintrenoda: I wouldn't count on that.
15:58.37nodaWintre: You're right, that'd be a stretch :P
15:59.03WintreAhhhh, RTFM. There are so few who remember that these days
15:59.20kergothibot: rtfm
15:59.20it has been said that rtfm is Read The Fine Product Documentation
15:59.28nodaYou can register both as the same server.
15:59.30Hironimoso where do i find that manual you spoke about, saw no url
15:59.31kergothibot: emulate kergoth
15:59.31ACTION mutters about buildsystems and tells people to rtfm or tells ibot to tell people to RTFM
15:59.39kergothHironimo: google is your friend. i'm not going to hold your hand
15:59.42nodaOh, damn, I take it back.
15:59.42chouimatWintre: yup, a nice song from Dick hass BAND
15:59.51nodaWhatever, get yourself two IPs and do some IP aliasing :P
15:59.56WintreHironimo: Your local LDP mirror?
16:00.03Wintrenoda: kludgy crap.
16:00.07nodaWintre: I agree :)
16:00.12WintreHironimo: google for "DNS HOWTO"?
16:00.22Hironimohmm
16:00.29nodaDamn, this sucks that I can't get apollo-computers.com :(
16:00.31Hironimosorry. i deserved the flaming i guess ^-^
16:00.38nodaMaybe I'll have go to for apollo-computers.ca.
16:00.50kergothgeh finally
16:00.52nodaBah, that'll be when I actually want business I guess :)
16:00.58kergothdamn people arent willing to do a damn thing themselves nowadays
16:01.00chouimatareuH!
16:01.00kergothslackers
16:01.29kergothchouimat: ?
16:02.09chouimatfuck! I have no keyboaerd support in the server
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16:05.13nodaMmm, Back to the Future Trilogy comes out on DVD next month :)
16:05.21DaJokerchouimat: hehe.. 2.5.47? :)
16:05.26chouimatnoda: TQS
16:05.31chouimatDaJoker: yes
16:05.43DaJokerchouimat: heh.. have the same thing.. warned you earlier about it :)
16:05.47trekenoda: yummy
16:06.00kergothback to the future trilogy on dvd?
16:06.01chouimatDaJoker: how do you use it?
16:06.02kergothsweet
16:06.05kergothi gotta buy that
16:06.19kergoth2.5.47 works fine with keyboards
16:06.20DaJokerchouimat: don't need to "use" the keyboard on my server..  it's a server..
16:06.21kergothif you enable the right options
16:06.43chouimatDaJoker: I'm setting it :)
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16:08.28chouimatDaJoker: tried 2.5.48? devfs don't compile under it
16:08.43DaJokernope.. haven't//.
16:08.58DaJokerthat would be bad though.. I use devfs on all my servers
16:11.28chouimatDaJoker: you must enable explicitly the keyboard
16:11.58kergoththey use the input layer now
16:12.05kergothyou have to enable the input layer keyboard support
16:12.07kergothand friends
16:12.16chouimatkergoth: just found out :(
16:13.13chouimatkergoth: unified input subsystem?
16:13.21kergothchouimat: yep. input layer is -very- nice
16:13.55chouimathmmm I see the possibilties of that for my future embedded works
16:14.18kergothchouimat: i already started on a Z keyboard driver for it, never finished though
16:14.20noda"Automatic rain sensing wiper operation" :P
16:14.20kergothnever enough time
16:14.35billytwowillykeyboard driver?
16:15.27kergothyeah
16:15.53billytwowillysorry, didn't read the previous stuff. thought you were talking about keybaord for the zaurus.
16:16.01chouimatnoda: I want her :)
16:16.10nodachouimat: Heh, nice perspective :P
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16:16.46chouimatnoda: yup, found it on the net with others pictures of her :)
16:19.02benmeyerweeee
16:19.08benmeyerJust got my car back from the shop
16:19.17kergothbenmeyer: nice
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16:19.41benmeyerpull the clutch up just 2 inches and the clutch catches and propells the car forward
16:19.44pez2001im trying to flash oz3 onto the z....
16:19.52benmeyerwhat fun
16:19.57benmeyerI can't wait to drive to work tomarrow
16:19.58benmeyerhehe
16:20.03pez2001the lights are flashing all the time ...something wrong?
16:20.22kergothpez2001: your card
16:20.23TheMasterMind1benmeyer: hey, kinkattalite is extemely slow with my 100contacts.. it just sits there showing them signing on a few at a time and its all laggy and stuff
16:20.24trekebenmeyer: wow. I dont think I've ever seen or heard that phrase before
16:20.33chouimatkergoth: check the nice perspective email :P (but make sure there is nobody around ;)
16:20.42benmeyeryah I know
16:20.51benmeyeronce I get to work it wont be as much fun
16:20.52pez2001kergoth: ?
16:20.53benmeyerTheMasterMind1: yah I need to fix that
16:21.00TheMasterMind1benmeyer: what causes it do you know?
16:21.00benmeyerbut driving there should be
16:21.01kergothpez2001: format the card. fat16.
16:21.10benmeyerthat combined with the new fule injectors....
16:21.20benmeyerwhich by the way cost an arm, $900
16:21.42benmeyerTheMasterMind1: yah update upon update
16:21.45pez2001kergoth: can i safely turn it off now??   btw i didnt reformat the cf card
16:21.48benmeyerfixed in kinkatta cvs
16:21.53kergothpez2001: i know. i'm telling you to
16:22.03kergothpez2001: either thte images are corrupt, or the card is something other than fat16
16:23.09pez2001kergoth: can i safely turn it off now??
16:23.14kergothpez2001: yes
16:23.44pez2001ok... the sharp rom has a mkfs.fat16 tool ?
16:24.13kergothmkfs.msdos -F 16 /dev/hda1
16:25.55TheMasterMind1benmeyer: oh, awesome. can i compile kinkattalite via cvs?
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16:27.39ZERO_Kis the c700 or c300 zaurus avalible anywhere in the us yet?
16:28.37trekeZERO_K: no
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16:28.51trekeZERO_K: And it wont be for a long while if ever
16:30.39I-Balldid anyone pickup farscape tv show yet?
16:30.55kergothfarscape rocks
16:31.01kergothdvds out/
16:31.12I-Balli know they stopped it due to money, but did anyone else get it?
16:31.24I-BallI gots all the dvds out
16:31.55I-Balli saw one show and got hooked
16:31.56kergothi loved that show
16:32.07I-Ball1 mil per episode
16:32.22I-Ballsparky
16:33.09I-Balla buddy of mine is burning the last ones for me
16:33.35I-Ballso no other network picked it up huh?
16:34.05I-Ballcreighton rocked
16:34.08I-Balloh well
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16:35.44I-Balli loved the crackers one
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16:38.12pez2001if i call mount ...it still says vfat... and the format gave barely any output or took time....
16:40.12TheMasterMind1benmeyer: ?
16:40.19pez2001kergoth?
16:40.21kergothpez2001: of course
16:40.34kergothpez2001: 'vfat' can be fat12, fat16, or fat32
16:40.39kergothpez2001: that driver supports all of them
16:40.45pez2001ok
16:41.57pez2001and format is so super fast?
16:42.02kergoth?
16:42.13kergothyou formatted it when it was unmounted right?
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16:42.40pez2001its not too much to do if formating fat but i was very fast
16:42.43pez2001hmmmm
16:42.50kergoth?
16:43.42pez2001i checked it twice ...seems to work.....
16:44.00kergoth?
16:53.33pez2001should it be set to normal operation before cd reset?
16:55.09pez2001kergoth?
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16:56.08pez2001it just keeps flashing the light....doesnt work...
16:58.59pez2001what could be wrong ... im using a 192mb cf card....
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17:01.02TheMasterMind1192?
17:01.04TheMasterMind1hmm
17:01.23TheMasterMind1pez2001: the card needs to be fat16, and have the two files "initrd.bin" and "zImage" on it
17:02.21pez2001so far i did everything kergoth told me....
17:02.36pez2001initrd.bin and zImage are the only files on the cf
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17:07.54JupiterJoewhat could be wrong?
17:08.06JupiterJoei getting the binaries again now.....
17:08.23JupiterJoei dont believe its the cause but ill give it a try
17:10.34Com[Plex]hey kergoth
17:10.37SnoozyMoonn
17:10.51Com[Plex]whats new
17:14.31JupiterJoehow could i do a md5 check on my oz3 roms?
17:20.05JupiterJoechecksums match perfectly....
17:20.25JupiterJoewhat in gods name am i doing wrong?
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18:00.32ivanis the xscale proccessor on the SL-5600 fixed yet?
18:00.55trekefixed yet?
18:01.05ivanthe cpu was running half speed?
18:01.20trekeivan: you'll find out when its release :)
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18:01.35ivanoh
18:01.41trekeas far as I've heard it isnt, but who knows
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18:11.14Neo|Workibot SL-5600
18:11.14well, sl-5600 is the newest zaurus, announced Nov12.  More info available at http://www.sharpusa.com/products/FunctionPressReleases/0,1079,32,00.html and http://www.sharpusa.com/products/ModelLanding/0,1058,1016,00.html and photos available at http://psifertex.com/gallery/sl5600
18:14.23ivanmeh i need a laptop not a zaurus?
18:14.30ivanerr s/?/.
18:15.38oGMoi want a wearable computer
18:16.15oGMosomething with a really tiny HUD you'd barely notice and a CPU unit about half the size of the Z
18:16.19oGMothat'd be nice
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18:29.52DaWormmornin'
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20:05.57omooreanyone here know of a good howto for writing java apps for the Z?
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20:06.17kergoth_DIE IN WINTER!
20:06.22kergoth_man, i'm in a good mood tonight
20:06.24kergoth_heheh
20:06.26kergoth_whats goin on people
20:06.31Cloudchaserhiya
20:06.43Cloudchaseri'm in a good mood too :) thanks to you ;)
20:06.50chouimatTABARNACK!!!!! CALICE!!!! CIBOIRE D'HOSTIE DE TABARNACK!!!
20:06.50kergoth_hah, glad to hear it
20:07.05ljpthats inconceivable!
20:07.07kergoth_eheh
20:07.21kergoth_ljp: You keep using that word. I dont think it means what you think it means.
20:07.26kergoth_i should go wtach a movie
20:07.27ljp:D
20:07.45treke|laptopits a good night for a movie
20:07.55kergoth_the time has come to close your eyes. the time has come to realize. time has come for settling down. from life. this was your life.
20:07.59kergoth_if you should die, die in winter
20:08.01kergoth_heheh
20:08.03kergoth_chouimat: probs?
20:08.20chouimatthat fucking modules don't load
20:09.06chouimatso I'm rebuilding the kernel with it compiled in
20:09.45omooreanyone know of a howto for writing a java app for the z?
20:09.47omoorei know java...
20:09.58omoorejust not for the z
20:09.59ljpI drink java
20:10.03omooreheh
20:10.13kergoth_yes, drinking java is good
20:10.23omooreyeah yeah
20:10.25omoore:-)
20:10.36ljptwuin is the java dude around here
20:10.41DaWormits only an applet right
20:10.47DaWormso any applet should run
20:10.48omoorewell.. not sure...
20:10.58omoorethe apps don't look like awt applets
20:11.04omooremore like swing.....
20:11.09omoorebut dont' know if it's full java...
20:11.12kergoth_its not swing, i remember that much
20:11.15omooreor a sub set...
20:11.16omooreor what
20:11.36DaWormtry looking for the jeode site
20:11.48treke|laptopomoore: go look up personal java
20:12.04omoorecool.. i'm aware of that...
20:12.08omoorehavn't used it...
20:12.12omoorebut know where to go for that
20:12.21omoore(personal java that is)
20:12.32DaWormt incorporates the Jeode EVMTM runtime engine, a "Sun Authorized Virtual Machine" that is fully compatible with the PersonalJavaTM specification, and supports all PersonalJava 1.2 class libraries, including optional classes.
20:12.44DaWormthere ya go
20:12.53omoorecool...
20:12.55kergoth_hmm
20:13.00DaWormso its ALL Personal Java 1.2
20:13.01kergoth_I've got an adrenaline rush going for some reason
20:13.06omooreand packageing the software into an ipkg...
20:13.13omooreer.. packaging...
20:13.19DaWormoh that's another lesson
20:13.22omoorethat can be found on the zaurus dev site?
20:13.22kergoth_omoore: google for ipkg. first link.
20:13.31omoorefantastic.. thanks...
20:14.02DaWormwhy not hello zaurus
20:14.11DaWorm:)
20:14.22kergoth_i am your worst enemy. i am of divine descent. i am your apolocalypse. i am your belief and rot. monolithic juggernaut. i'm the illegitimate son of god. stray bullet.
20:14.39omoorewow
20:14.42kergoth_kmfdm
20:14.44kergoth_good shit, that
20:14.47DaWormhehehe
20:14.54DaWormthat sounded something like hp lovecraft
20:14.55DaWormhehe
20:14.57kergoth_hehe
20:15.05kergoth_chouimat: nice
20:18.04chouimatkergoth: did you compile ethernet bridge in your 2.5.x kernel?
20:18.18kergoth_let me check
20:18.20kergoth_i'm not on it atm
20:18.44rizlaquick q, has anyone got qcopilot running on OZ? and is there a fix for hancom word?
20:18.57chouimatkergoth: just compiled it as a modules
20:19.13chouimatI want my tv support damn it
20:19.24kergoth_rizla: someone figured out the hancom word problem, expect a resolution soon.
20:20.20rizlais that the same solution as on the zauruszone site? because my zaurus wont let me flash out from open zaurus to sharp to get the libraries and ipks
20:20.31rizlait gets stuck in a continuous loop
20:20.45kergoth_rizla: no, its not that
20:20.49kergoth_rizla: thats a hack, not a solution
20:21.04rizlakergoth_: sorry, newbie to irc..
20:21.06kergoth_rizla: a real solution is underway
20:21.08kergoth_:)
20:21.27rizlakergoth_: is there any way for me to flash back to the sharp rom again
20:21.35kergoth_rizla: rtfm
20:21.44kergoth_rizla: theres an faq on the site on flashing sharp
20:21.51DaWormyeah, just slam the image file on your cf card
20:22.00rizlakergoth_: before oz3 it worked always, i have flashed back and forth loads of times. now it refuses to
20:22.09rizlanot that much of a newbie :-)
20:22.12DaWormits your card, not oz3
20:22.16kergoth_DaWorm: exactly
20:22.19kergoth_heh
20:22.22rizlayou sure?
20:22.30DaWormyou said it worked in oz3
20:22.35DaWormso flashing works
20:22.38rizlabecause the card worked previous to oz3
20:22.48rizlanow i cant get back to the sharp rom
20:22.55kergoth_well, oz3 didnt do a damn thing
20:23.01kergoth_flashing oz3 is just like flashing anything else
20:23.10DaWormbet you i can reflash my oz3 to sharp now without any problems
20:23.17DaWormbut that's not a good idea
20:23.21rizlait gives me mtdblock errors. No i love oz, i am sticking with it, just wanted to rip jeode etc
20:23.29kergoth_I've flashed my zaurus at least 500-1000 times to date.
20:23.50kergoth_sharp, and a quadrillion variations of openzaurus, from hacked sharp roms to oz running on a 2.5 kernel
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20:24.01rizlawouldnt blame oz for it, just thought someone might have seen similar symptoms
20:24.12kergoth_the lights staying on is indicative of a card problem
20:24.18kergoth_you did remove initrd.bin and zImage from teh card right?
20:24.39DaWormwell i have jeode here, i can just dcc it to you and stuff to save you from flashing, not that everyone approves of that practice here though
20:25.00rizlathe lights are fine. i took the card out as far as i remember :-0
20:25.17kergoth_?
20:25.21kergoth_then whats the behavior?
20:25.27kergoth_telling me its a continuous loop tells me nothing
20:25.29rizlai'll try it without the card
20:25.35kergoth_huh?
20:25.36rapskat#cola
20:25.41kergoth_you cant flash from oz to sharp without a card
20:25.43rizlait gave me mtdblock errors and told me to press control d to continue
20:25.46kergoth_i dunno what you're talking about
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20:25.56kergoth_you probably didnt full reset after flashing
20:26.15DaWormalways reset!
20:26.17kergoth_yeap
20:26.24kergoth_whether the card is in or not when you turn it on doesnt matter
20:26.36Cloudchaseri had something like that on my sd card after the sharp rom crash i had
20:26.40Cloudchaseri had to reformat my card
20:27.03rizlaok. sorry i am a bit stoned but i will start from the beginning. I did full reset. The flash worked fine but when the sharp rom boots i get a menu giving me options for gui and then i get a continuous loop of the sharp zaurus screen... tried reformatting
20:27.26DaWormhehe don't flash when you are stoned, no no no
20:27.33rizlaim not so new to linux and i have read everything i can find on the internet
20:27.38kergoth_rizla: if it refuses to boot 1) the image was corrupt, 2) card/filesystme problems, or 3) failure to full reset
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20:27.43rizlai flashed when sober :-)
20:28.11rizlaok cool, i will go try again step by step.....
20:28.41rizlathx
20:28.53DaWormnp
20:29.18rizlaill use a fresh cf card
20:29.31DaWormhmm
20:29.33rizlaand ill report the full error if it happens again
20:29.45DaWormwhy would anyone pay for $5k for a segway
20:29.56kergoth_seems stupid
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20:29.59rizlashould ospack be in small latters or caps?
20:30.07DaWormim sure you can't even use it in the cities
20:30.12DaWormrizla it doesnt matter
20:30.37DaWormjust slam it in the fresh card as is and flash
20:30.39DaWormshould work
20:31.35DaWorm<PROTECTED>
20:31.35DaWormUsing Segway HT instead of walking increases the area you can cover 50-fold--whether you're working or running errands. Segway HT enables you to accomplish things that were once impractical or impossible on foot. This new mobility will generate economic benefits.
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20:32.06Pendalarbah you guys know what the latest qt/desktop for windows is buggier than a mofo?
20:32.08kergoth_new mobility?
20:32.15kergoth_jesus, havent these people heard of a damn bicycle?
20:32.16DaWormstrange logic
20:32.16Pendalarthe older worked better if I still had the CD
20:32.17kergoth_stupid motherfuckers
20:32.40DaWormno exercise standing up and get transported
20:32.41DaWormhehe
20:32.51chouimatkergoth: ?
20:32.53omoorePendalar: that is the one part of the z that has been very disapointing.. the desktop app
20:32.55kergoth_yeah
20:32.57kergoth_segway is stupid
20:33.00DaWormcheck it out youself: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/feature/-/414084/103-0513242-0285446
20:33.05kergoth_give me a pair of rollerblades or a bicycle, thanks
20:33.14omoorePendalar: silly things like it not remembering the ip of my z (i use 802.11b nic)
20:33.20chouimatkergoth: sidewalk rage :)
20:33.25kergoth_chouimat: hehe
20:33.32Pendalarit's not that, it finds it, connects to it.. most of the time can install via feeds
20:33.34omoorePendalar: the desktop client is absolutely 'B' quality at best
20:33.42Pendalarbut if I just copy something to the documents part.. it dies
20:33.53kergoth_omoore: my desktop software is my Z itself viewed through vnc
20:33.54omoorei am going to get my z syncing with evolution as soon as i get a moment or two
20:33.55kergoth_omoore: HEH
20:34.04omoorekergoth_ me too now
20:34.07Pendalarmight be because the CF has a million documents (gcc)
20:34.19omoorekergoth_: i sync for safety, but don't use the desktop app at all anytmore
20:34.28kergoth_omoore: yup, same here
20:34.44omoorekergoth_: vnc makes it soo easy.. not to mention you can turn the light off and the z with no light on but...
20:34.53kergoth_RAISE UP! everybody, get together, dont be afraid to raise up.
20:34.56kergoth_omoore: yup
20:35.14omoorekergoth_ controled vi vnc wil run for 4-5 hours even with constant 802.11b nic connection
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20:37.01guisedibot rotation
20:37.01guised: are you smoking crack?
20:37.07guisedhmm
20:39.13Pendalarok that's wacked
20:39.31Pendalarit doesn't crash when I write to the ram
20:39.36Pendalarbut does when I write to the cf
20:39.54Pendalarcf has oh.. 100mb free.. so it must not be able to handle that many documents
20:40.59Pendalaranyone happen to know what the max document limit is that the desktop can support?
20:41.44rizlaHere is the error message i get when reflashing. Cleanly formatted cf card new download of ospack. full reset etc.pd respawning too fast: disabled for 5 mins. Wait 1. q(x) Qtopia a(e) linux console e(e) init 3(ttyso:-free-) and more ttys errors. Followed by Input Key ==> Launch (by q): /sbin/qt qt then i get the zaurus logo then it loops. any ideas?
20:42.22nodarizla: Sounds like it could be a corrupt image, maybe it wasn't written to your CF card properly.
20:42.36rizlai tried downloading it a few times
20:42.41nodarizla: (in which case I hope you've got a CF writer for your desktop computer, or a digital camera or something)
20:42.51nodaCopying from your desktop to your CF you mean?
20:42.53rizlaand have tried both my cf cards. yep i have a usb one
20:43.11Pendalarbrb
20:43.17rizlai have reflashed many times, just this time it didnt wanna flash back to sharp rom
20:43.20nodaOkay, put your CF card in your computer now and get the md5sum for your initrd. Then compare to the one on Sharp's website.
20:44.14rizlagood call, didn't think of that
20:44.14rizlanoda: just flashing back to rip jeode and hancom
20:44.14noda:)
20:44.14nodaYeah, check md5sum.
20:44.14chouimat|boredhmmm gcc 3.2.1 is anounced on freshmeat
20:44.14rizlabrb
20:44.19kergoth_chouimat|bored: goddamnit, just after i built my toolchain?
20:44.26nodaBah, I won't be upgrading 'til gcc-3.3 is released :)
20:44.35nodaI'm on gcc-3.2.1-cvs from a couple of weeks ago.
20:44.40noda11/02
20:44.42chouimat|borednoda: even for fixed bugs
20:44.48kergoth_I'm on gcc 3.2.1 from debian sid with debian's patches
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20:48.51rizlawhere is the md5 on the sharp site?
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20:49.30nodaErm... dunno. Try an md5 from where you downloaded the file.
20:49.40nodaNot as accurate, but if it's different you've found your problem already.
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20:51.27rizlai got it from sharp, can i md5 on a remote server?
20:51.36rizlahow would i get the md5?
20:51.46nodamd5sum <file>
20:52.03rizlai get 7fdeac14f38ed60b675af889d7cebc9a *OSPACK on the file i downloaded
20:52.07kergoth_noda: i think he wants the md5sum of the file on the site
20:52.15kergoth_noda: not on his local copy, as his local copy isnt known good
20:52.24kergoth_noda: and sharp doesnt post md5sums
20:52.26nodaYeah... I dunno where to find it on Sharp's site though.
20:52.30nodaOh, it doesn't post them? ICK.
20:52.34kergoth_not afaik
20:52.35WormLunchtsk tsk tsk
20:52.35nodaMan, our site is much better :)
20:52.40kergoth_noda: no kidding ;)
20:52.43PenZhrm forgot to get my cf card
20:52.47rizlai thought it could be a corrupted rom but i downloaded it loadsa times
20:53.01kergoth_rizla: doesnt mean much
20:53.02nodakergoth_: btw, have you read 'why oz?' lately? I put a nice comment at the bottom when I went over fixing XHTML grammar.
20:53.08kergoth_noda: nah i ahvent. oh spiffy
20:53.18kergoth_noda: i wonder how our site stats are looking. should check sf
20:53.31nodakergoth_: sf shows site stats? :)
20:53.40WormLunch<PROTECTED>
20:53.41WormLunch<PROTECTED>
20:53.43rizlai am really impressed by oz
20:53.52PenZI need a mmc card.. keep forgetting when I put the wifi in I lose GCC
20:53.54noda:)
20:54.16rizlaok i am gonna give up on this till tomorrow its 4am and i have work in the morning
20:54.16noda98.94% activity... nice ;)
20:54.42kergoth_noda: our rank has been floating between 85 and 115
20:54.57chouimat|tvbe back 1 hr Babylon 5 on tv
20:54.58kergoth_noda: weird, it shows a rank of 0 for 15, 14.. guess they arent done updating the stats
20:54.58nodakergoth_: I've noticed, quite sweet :)
20:54.59WormLunchhttp://www.gotangco.com/oz3/oz3-03.png
20:55.05rizlanoda: but the site does rock :-)
20:55.11nodarizla: :)
20:55.46kergoth_WormLunch: those icons rock
20:55.47nodakergoth_: Where can you see site stats on sf?
20:56.09WormLunchkergoth: i'm trying to package stuff into a theme of sorts and just symlink stuff
20:56.27rizlamy problems are with the sharp one. oz installs time and time again like a dream
20:56.42nodaWeird.
20:56.43kergoth_rizla: hm, just for shits, you could use romburst to rip it apart
20:56.44Cloudchaseri want some nice icons :) those look nice :)
20:56.48kergoth_rizla: and flash sharp rom with a zImage and initrd.bin
20:56.57kergoth_rizla: the same way you flash oz
20:57.34WormLunchCloudchaser: ripped them from connectiva :) gotta ask permission to use them though when i package it
20:57.40kergoth_WormLunch: crystal?
20:57.45WormLunchyeah
20:57.49kergoth_nice
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20:58.32nodakergoth_: Oh, I see the stats... hrm, is "Page Views" for openzaurus.org, or only for the project page?
20:59.13kergoth_noda: i've been wondering that myself
20:59.13Cloudchasergood luck with it WormLunch.. that would be nice if they say yes
20:59.15kergoth_noda: no idea :)
20:59.27nodaWell, I'll see how many page views we've had today :P
20:59.46rizlakergoth_: can i get romburst running on windows? i am on my gf's machine
20:59.57kergoth_rizla: doubt it.
21:00.04kergoth_rizla: but i do have a c file that does the same thing it does
21:00.12kergoth_rizla: which you could compile on a cygwin install
21:00.40rizlakergoth_: thats true, but i have to get some sleep at some point :-) perhaps in the morning...
21:00.41nodaHoly MAMA... I STRONGLY doubt it's page views on openzaurus.org!
21:00.53kergoth_noda: eh? what's our views for today?
21:01.06nodakergoth_: Just a sec, will do a bit of timestamp math and stuff :P
21:01.09kergoth_k
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21:01.25nodaTimestamps are a pain, but much faster in mysql than their proprietary date thing, more portable, and better in PHP :)
21:01.33rizlafor the moment its back to oz! one q though are qtopia/opie apps compatible with picogui
21:01.43PenZhrm the led src app won't light up the charge light..
21:01.49kergoth_rizla: picogui's a completely different animal
21:01.58PenZbut will the mail.. what gives
21:02.41noda6162 page views today.
21:02.44nodaI kid not.
21:03.10nodaFrom 549 separate hosts.
21:03.26Cloudchaserhehe thats alot of repeats
21:03.30nodaWow, that's much more than I was expecting.
21:03.41nodaCloudchaser: Repeats? Nah, about 12 pages per viewer, that sounds reasonable.
21:03.42PenZI need br33zy =-(
21:03.59nodaI've personally visited probably around 30 today... but that's just me.
21:03.59kergoth_so 549 unique hits
21:04.08kergoth_approx
21:04.14noda549 unique hosts. 6162 unique page views.
21:04.48kergoth_spiffy
21:05.04nodaI don't know how many hits, but I imagine it'd be a bit over 7260 (which would be if each user only downloaded the stylesheet and pingizauru once)
21:05.52nodaThis is well over my last site. On my last big job we're getting less than 1500 pages/day.
21:06.03PenZkergoth did sharp change how the led is handled in the latest rom?
21:06.08kergoth_PenZ: no
21:06.21nodaGuess there's more interest in cool gadgets than in toner these days :)
21:06.26kergoth_hehe
21:06.48PenZhrm... then why might the batt led not work with the app?
21:06.58kergoth_badly designed app?
21:07.00kergoth_no idea
21:07.01PenZit does light up when charging
21:08.23nodaUh-oh... if a table says "Data_length 2877832" I guess that means that's almost 3 meg of data?
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21:09.45PenZanyone willing to verify the app works for them? ;-)
21:10.23nodaum um um... how much database space is one allowed on sf.net?
21:10.46kergoth_noda: good question
21:11.01nodaHopefully they don't have a limit. This log file is growing WAY too fast.
21:11.37PenZyep like wget on a bad day...
21:11.55PenZsorry I had to, so sick of hearing about it
21:12.27PenZerr wtmp
21:12.29PenZsorry
21:15.30kryhmeyou would think there would be some sort of limit
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21:15.58kryhmelike 50 megs or so... maybe not that high, but a reasonable amount
21:16.36br33zyPenZ needs me?
21:16.41br33zywhy is that?
21:17.19PenZyeah.. I'll msg
21:17.20nodaThe log is growing at a rate of 416k per day...
21:17.38nodaI had no clue... I think I can knock off 10 chars per row pretty easily.
21:18.04nodaAh well, time for a midnight snack, a bit of movie, and a lot of sleep.
21:18.16kryhmesee ya
21:18.24kergoth_night noda
21:18.39kergoth_night noda, sleep well, good work, i'll most likely kill you in the morning
21:18.40nodaDamn, 416k/day...
21:18.45kergoth_</princess bride quote>
21:18.48kergoth_eheh
21:18.50noda:)
21:19.09nodaThis stuff most likely will. I gotta allow arbitrary HTML tags in my form inputs tomorrow.
21:19.28nodaAnd then make some admin pages... maybe the FAQ one first since it's the hardest (since normal people get to access it)
21:20.57PenZwriting faqs are always fun, you don't know the targets intelligence level
21:21.37PenZdon't want to over-explain.. but then again if it doesn't make it clear to them.. you missed the point of the faq
21:22.01kergoth_PenZ: this is the same with supporting people in any way. whether via text or voice
21:22.36omooreok.. are there any zaurus + java gurus awake?
21:23.00kryhmeomoore: not a guru, but what did you need
21:23.28omooretrying to understand what i need to do to develop for the zaurus using java... here is what i know...
21:23.44omoorei know it use Java Personal Edition...
21:23.45kergoth_ibot: java faq
21:23.45java faq is, like, the Zaurus Java FAQ at http://adorphuye.com/zaurus/java/faq.jsp
21:23.51omooreahh. thanks
21:23.51kergoth_omoore: go there.
21:24.03PenZnot really kergoth.. here in a few sentences you can gather info about the level of help needed
21:24.10PenZweb help you do not
21:24.28kergoth_PenZ: true that, its definately worse in text
21:24.57kryhmeanyone here ever mess with tinyx, not just on the zaurus, but in general?
21:25.26PenZI prefer irc heh
21:31.46omoorekergoth_:  ok.. since "Personal Java" is, esentially 1.1.8, must i load 1.1.8? or can i use my current 1.4.x environment...
21:32.05omoorekergoth_: but use caution in the classes i use?
21:32.28omoorekergoth_: (my current 1.4.x development environment)
21:32.41kergoth_;)
21:32.44omoorei see
21:32.45omoorethx
21:32.56kergoth_talk to Twiun[Zzzzz] when he wakes up
21:33.17kergoth_(he runs that faq site)
21:33.34depomoore: you can use your 1.4 environment but can only call 1.1 classes (and don't use anything deprecated)
21:33.46omooredep: thx...
21:33.55omooredep: you a java coder for the z?
21:33.57depwhen you javac you specify that the compiler use version 1.1
21:34.20depum....not quite yet...the z arrives sometime this week
21:34.39omooredep: i see.. but youve done Personal Edition work?
21:34.41depi teach java programming and linux at a community college
21:34.59omooredep: cool.. i know java but havn't done much gui work..
21:35.07depnot yet...about to despise personal edition since i like 1.4 a lot better
21:35.19dep1.1 you're restricted to awt. sigh
21:35.22omooredep: yeah.. me too.. ahh well.. anyway...
21:35.35omooredep: so long as i develop using awt and 1.1 calls...
21:36.02omooredep: i compile to a normal class file, then assume i use the ipkg pakaging tool fro linux to create an installer
21:36.14omooredep: the question there is with the class file...
21:36.44omooredep: seems like i read somewhere that you have to compile your class then do something else when you are making a Personal Edition app...
21:36.50omooredep: but that might have been for ME?
21:37.09omooredep: not real sure
21:37.42depomoore: for an example see http://wireless.java.sun.com/personal/articles/ztutorial/
21:38.00omooredep: ahhhh what ive been loking for.. an actuall tutorial
21:38.25depit's pretty good...has a lot of missing pieces in one place
21:38.59PenZkergoth I've never set up 2 dev environments on a box, say I set my linux box to cross compile later
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21:39.19PenZhow do you switch betwwen, with a flag?
21:39.19kergoth_PenZ: ?
21:39.29omooredep: the link isn't good...
21:39.31kergoth_environment variables
21:39.33omoorecan you repost?
21:39.40kergoth_i use a set of shell script functions in my .bashrc
21:39.47dephttp://wireless.java.sun.com/personal/articles/ztutorial/
21:40.14depor go to java.sun.com and search for zaurus
21:40.17omoorethx
21:40.20omooregot it
21:40.21PenZlike say I have a program 'test'.. normally I'd 'make test.c test'
21:40.30kergoth_PenZ: read the dev howto
21:40.45PenZyer no fun =-P
21:40.55kergoth`movieibot: emulate kergoth
21:40.55ACTION mutters about buildsystems and tells people to rtfm or tells ibot to tell people to RTFM
21:41.10PenZI'm nice to you dammit! j/k
21:41.12kryhmehahahaha
21:41.38PenZrtmfgdm actually..
21:41.54kryhmewhat's gdm
21:42.00kryhmegod damn something
21:42.07PenZyep
21:42.14PenZmanual...
21:42.17omooregdm is gnome's 'xdm'
21:42.51kergoth`movieand with that, i'm out
21:42.53kergoth`movie;)
21:42.55kergoth`moviebbl
21:42.57kryhmeyou just wait till i find your mother
21:43.00PenZheh
21:44.38kryhmei think i might put on a movie myself
21:44.50kryhmeanyone else here get a lot of migranes?
21:45.26PenZI take 4 migrane pills every morning
21:45.32kryhmewhich ones?
21:45.39PenZbuilding up an immunity sadly
21:45.55kryhmei usually take like 4 ibuprofen when i feel one coming on
21:46.04PenZnot sure ... k something, sort of green looking
21:46.12PenZbrown-green I guess
21:46.28kryhmei think i'm getting them more often as i get older
21:46.48PenZstart taking niacin, will help a bit
21:46.54PenZif you can stand it
21:47.17kryhmeif you take your vitamins in the morning, it will help a lot... especially those "brain enhancing" suppliments
21:47.22kryhmei just gotta get in the habit
21:47.38kryhmeaccording to my father who is a doctor anyways
21:47.45kryhmewho also has migranes
21:47.54kryhmeit's like some sort of evil plague
21:48.17PenZheh
21:48.25PenZnah that didn't help me
21:48.30PenZtake niacn
21:48.37PenZniacin rather
21:48.50kryhmethanks for the tip.  you ever try ibuprofen?  
21:49.10kryhmeif you take enough of it, it seems to do the job, especially early on
21:49.17kryhmeanti-inflammatory and all that
21:49.22PenZyes but any of that you will build up an immunity to it after a year or two
21:49.37kryhmeyeah, i can tell i'm starting to
21:49.46kryhmecrap
21:49.47PenZbesides yer killing your liver and/or kidneys
21:49.52kryhmeah
21:50.10treke|homebah. who needs a liver and/or kidneys
21:50.16PenZniacin heats up your body and cleans your vessles.. powerful shit
21:50.34PenZfeels like yoy are on fire for  about 15 minutes
21:50.46kryhmemy vessles could always use a good cleaning
21:50.49PenZyour skin will turn red probably. but it helps a lot
21:51.07kryhmeniacin sounds like agent orange
21:51.16kryhmeor zyclon b
21:51.18PenZyeah vessles near the brain especially is prob the problem anyways
21:51.40PenZplus this is cheap.. like 100 pills for $3
21:51.51PenZprob find it cheaper if you looked
21:52.03kryhmei had a bad one earlier.  $3 is cheap enough
21:52.20kryhmeno sense in shopping around for things under 5 bucks
21:52.30PenZyeah $3.. try it... if it doesn't help yer not out much
21:52.39kryhmei appreciate the advice
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21:53.26PenZsome say it might be used in the future to help with cancer cells
21:54.43PenZnot that I believe that but.. heh
21:54.45PenZbbiaf
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21:56.36omooredep: thx! did my first java app for the Z :-)
21:56.54omooredep: no diff really from coding for a desktop .. other than the jdk version
21:57.02kryhmethat was quick
21:57.06kryhmewhat did you make?
21:57.08Pendalaryey no small keyboard
21:57.09depwow...good work
21:57.16omooreHello Zaurus :-)
21:57.23omoorethen did a simple gui app
21:57.28kryhmenice
21:57.31omoorerip off from the tutorial
21:57.44omoorejsut wanted to go thru the steps b4 i do my own stuff...
21:58.06omoorehave been wanting to extend some Livelink utilities to pda devices. :-) money money money :-D
21:58.44omoorewe (Stonebridge Technologies) have some utilities for working with Livelink (document mgmt sys)...
21:59.01omoorei've been wanting to make them work on the Z :-D
21:59.08Pendalarstonebridge makes some pretty decent stuffit
21:59.08omoorenow i can thx again dep
21:59.39omoorethe performance is just fine on the z too.. good java platform
21:59.50depno problem...good luck with the difficult stuff now
21:59.59omooreheh
22:00.10PendalarI detest java.. why can't we just use C++ forever?
22:00.23omooreto each their own
22:00.30omoorejava is nice for my work...
22:00.44kryhmespeaking of which, what's different in c# than c++
22:00.47omooresoftware has to run on win/mac/solaris/linux
22:00.52omooremuch
22:00.58omoorec# = MS version of Java
22:01.06omooreextended it a bit tho
22:01.12Pendalar== MS in general == crap
22:01.12omooreand it can talk to COM
22:01.14Pendalar;-)
22:01.21omoorec# isn't crap tho
22:01.23kryhmecrap
22:01.48omooreto give some idea of "difference" between c# and java...
22:01.56br33zyhmm
22:01.57br33zywell
22:02.00br33zyjava can be run in an applet
22:02.05omoorei "converted" some java bench marks to c# using search/replace
22:02.06br33zyc# is just different
22:02.09br33zyandmoo
22:02.13depomoore: did you see that ibm is getting behind zaurus....websphere stuff
22:02.18omooreyep
22:02.21kryhmewow
22:02.27omooreread that on eWeek today
22:02.37kryhmeyou see those supercomputers they are building?
22:02.43omooreyep
22:02.47kryhmeman, i can't imagine
22:02.51omooreIBM rocks
22:03.01kryhmeHAL is not too far away
22:03.10Pendalarerm... they're always building supercomputers..
22:03.15omooreheh.. HAL's successor is not too far away
22:03.19depwebspehere/eclipse is nice...i make my students use it
22:03.23kryhmePendalar: not ones faster than the brain
22:03.36omoorei'm just getting into eclipse.. i love the gui widgets
22:03.40Pendalarfaster than my brain =-/
22:03.49omooreeclipse is nice IDE
22:03.56kryhmeyeah, my athalon 750 is faster than my brain
22:04.08Pendalarmy z is a bit faster I think
22:04.20kryhmeheh
22:04.21Pendalarcan you compile code into machine language faster? I think not
22:04.42omoorei run a 350MHz + 1GB RAM + 3 10K SCSI drives in RAID 0.... faster than my 600MHZ, 512MB laptop
22:04.53omooreprocessor isn't the main performance factor
22:05.24omooreas my desktop smokes the laptop overall
22:05.37kryhme350 huh, why so slow?
22:06.08omoorecause it runs linux and 350MHz is plenty fast with the ram + SCSI RAID array... even with full gui & multi user
22:06.26omoore(my daughter works off my box from her 300MHz terminal pc in her bedroom
22:06.27omoore)
22:06.37kryhmei found my 750 processor and motherboard somewhere on the net for $50
22:06.57kryhmeso i bought a bunch of them and upgraded peoples computers for them
22:07.02omooreheh.. but i just don't need anything more.. granted.. i went quality when i bought it
22:07.15kryhmethat's all ya need then
22:07.22omooreit's a Slot 1 (copermine? i think?)
22:07.31omoorePowerEdge 1300 server
22:07.38kryhmemine's a slot 1
22:07.43treke|homecoppermine didnt come in slot one, as far as I know
22:07.58treke|homeI think that was just deschutes and klamath
22:07.59omoorei may be wrong.. just know its a server, not a desktop unit
22:08.16Pendalar"with what?" '...napalm.. lots and lots of napalm'
22:08.28omoorethe only thing i cant really do is play games
22:08.33omoorebut i don't do games
22:08.57treke|homehehe. lgp's new game ought to run fine on it :)
22:09.16omooreheck.. i even run vmware environments ontop of my linux host OS
22:09.26omooreand they work well...
22:09.33treke|homeouch :)
22:09.46omooreunless i hammer the hd.. then they drop to aobut 50% performance
22:10.11omoorebut if it jsut processor or ram intensive, the vmware session runs about 80% performance
22:10.36omooreonly thing iv considered is pluginging in another 350MHz Slot 1 (dual proc system)
22:11.18omooreanyway.. off topic :-).. going back to work with the Z...
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22:21.01TheRedderAnyone else had problems with the VNC server (running on the Zaurus) not allowing input from win2k desktop vnc client?  I've tried various versions of both server and client, and I can only get the client to show what's on the Zaurus...no interaction allowed.
22:22.22Pendalartry 'restart the z and recalibrate ' ?
22:22.51TheReddernot yet...I'll give it a shot tho
22:22.52Pendalarno br333zzyyy
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22:26.12TheRedderno workie :(
22:27.18TheRedderI don't even get the arrow that I normally get when connecting to other VNC servers.  i just get the mouse-dot that usually indicates lag.  Client isn't in "view-only" mode, of course :)
22:27.42Pendalarwb breezy
22:28.04PendalarI don't use vnc but there's many problems with it, load up zauruszone and check the forums for 'vnc'
22:28.47TheRedderaha!  that's where are all the zaurus forums are! thanks!
22:29.23Pendalarheh
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22:31.00TheRedderoh man...  tons of info here on this problem. thanks!
22:31.05Pendalarnp
22:31.13guiseddoes anyone know how i would do ftp to my sd card?
22:31.25Pendalarftp like normal then go to /mnt/card
22:31.43Pendalarafaik, I use cf's.. which is /mnt/cf
22:32.23guisedPendalar: it says i dont have the permission to access that folder
22:32.29Pendalarroot?
22:33.14guisedyep
22:33.18Pendalarthat or maybe it's not mounted
22:33.19Pendalaretc
22:33.46guisedits mounted... i can read it in the zaurus...
22:33.52guisedperhaps its the ftp program im using?
22:34.01Pendalarcan you read say /home/root/ 's files?
22:35.20guisedwhich file
22:35.21guised?
22:35.31Pendalarany.. can you upload or download from /home/root/
22:35.52Pendalarcopy a profile or something for all it matters.. does ftp work outside of /mnt/ is what I want to know
22:37.36guisedi copied a profile from /home/root
22:37.47guisedbut that and its subfolders are apparently all i can see
22:38.37guisedi dont know why
22:39.02guisedi can copy back and forth, but not to /root
22:39.07guisederr
22:39.17guised"/" rather
22:41.39Pendalarhrm
22:41.47Pendalarthen you should be able to /mnt/ dirs
22:41.53Pendalaras long as it's mounted etc
22:43.03guisedif i follow through with the instructions to oz like the crow rom, would it copy files to the sd?
22:44.13Pendalaryou'd have to as kergoth or someone who uses oz or crow
22:44.13Pendalaras long as those SD issues were worked out, I assume
22:44.16guisedcool
22:44.16Pendalarbtw save yourself some money next time and get MMC's or CF's
22:44.55guisedlooking back, i should have
22:45.49PendalarMMC doesn't have the legal issues that SD does, and is the same speed on the zaurus
22:45.49omoorePendalar: i have a 5600.. i have a 32MB MMC from an old camera.. it will work ?
22:46.01Pendalaryou have a 5600?
22:46.07omooresorry...
22:46.12Pendalarhow the crap do you have a 5600
22:46.16omoore5500 :) dreaming there
22:46.21Pendalarah
22:46.28omooregetting one when it is available
22:46.33Pendalarit will work but it may have to be formatted
22:46.39Pendalarthat depends on the camera
22:46.45omooreahh.. cool... will be an extra one for me
22:46.48Pendalarbut if windows can read it natively, probably be fine
22:46.53omoorei have a 64MB SD...
22:47.14omoorebut would be nice to have one purely for backup on the road
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22:47.56PendalarI need to put gcc on a mmc so I don't lose it when I use my wifi cf
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23:01.16Pendalarbr33zy you still around?
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23:10.17Pendalarhttp://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/official/unstable/feed/libpcap_0.7.1-1b_arm.ipk  <-- I need that
23:10.27Pendalarmake it come back up ;-)
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23:12.26ca1vinanyone know of a free terminal services client for zaurus?
23:12.48treke|homeca1vin: there isnt one
23:13.01ca1vinok, guess I will fork up the 40 bucks
23:13.22ca1vinI wonder if I could get rdesktop to compile and work
23:13.22br33zyi gtg guys
23:13.23br33zylater
23:13.25br33zy:)
23:14.00ca1vinhow about a better terminal than the one sharp offers
23:14.09ca1vinI havn't come across one yet
23:14.16treke|homeca1vin: its on zsi
23:14.34ca1vinzsi?
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23:15.26Pendalarnooo br33zy..
23:15.27Pendalardang it
23:16.38ca1vinahh
23:16.49ca1vinzaurus software index, sorry I am a bit new to all of this
23:17.04ca1vinI didn't see one on there though
23:17.14treke|homeits on there
23:18.19guiseddoes anyone use mplayer?
23:18.24Pendalarare you refering to konsole?
23:19.01ca1vinahh
23:19.04ca1vinfound it
23:19.14ca1vinthanks treke
23:19.32guisedPendalar: if you're talking to me about mplayer, im having trouble figuring out to use it because it doesn't have a gui
23:19.32ca1vinnow to see if it can deal with my screen sessions
23:19.50Pendalarno to treke
23:19.57guisedah
23:20.20PendalarI haven't tried it yet as I have no divx rips, etc
23:20.25Pendalaror anything worth watching
23:21.14guisedah
23:21.21Pendalarhttp://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=468
23:21.25Pendalarbah nothing works
23:21.30PendalarI *need* pcap
23:21.36guisedheh
23:22.13guised|sleepnight, thanks for the help
23:22.16guised|sleep:)
23:35.37chouimat|Zzzznight
23:44.39ca1vinEmbeddedkonsole is what i found but it doesn't seem to install to the point of making an icon
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