| 00:04:17 | tux_mike | hey roge |
| 00:04:24 | roge99 | hey tux |
| 00:04:34 | roge99 | hows things this evening |
| 00:04:39 | tux_mike | crappy |
| 00:04:52 | roge99 | sorry to hear that |
| 00:05:23 | tux_mike | not your fault. unless you were driving on route 53 about 20 mins ago |
| 00:05:34 | tux_mike | illinois route 53 |
| 00:05:36 | kergoth | hey roger |
| 00:06:37 | tux_mike | people on the road sucked the life outta me |
| 00:20:44 | MSpin | kergoth: been fairly busy...I'm moving this weekend |
| 00:45:29 | nitup | hello all, If sandisk dropped off the face of the earth i'd be happy |
| 00:49:46 | raster | nitup: then the nice cheap cf cards they make wouldnt be there.. and i'd have to pay more for them. |
| 00:50:30 | nitup | ok, if the SD card half died... |
| 00:50:56 | raster | warranty |
| 00:50:58 | raster | get it replaced |
| 00:51:00 | raster | :) |
| 00:51:11 | nitup | did that... brand new card... can't read it after 3 writes... |
| 00:51:16 | nitup | rom 2.38 |
| 00:51:24 | raster | send it back again |
| 00:51:25 | raster | :) |
| 00:51:44 | nitup | well, that's great and all... but it sucks being out the card... |
| 00:52:04 | nitup | plus each time the price goes up by the price of shipping |
| 00:52:08 | raster | true |
| 00:52:17 | raster | tho i think its just you |
| 00:52:30 | raster | i've got a sandisk cf card |
| 00:52:33 | raster | working just dandy |
| 00:53:03 | nitup | it's not just me... other people have trouble with SD cards... I've not had any trouble with CF |
| 00:53:31 | nitup | and not just Z folks... I was looking around on some other threads... ppc2002 has trouble with some sd |
| 00:53:34 | raster | is this on the z? |
| 00:53:42 | raster | hmmm |
| 00:53:56 | raster | well just use cf cards |
| 00:54:04 | raster | they're a might cheaper |
| 00:54:07 | nitup | :) |
| 00:54:10 | raster | and store more |
| 00:54:11 | raster | :) |
| 00:54:17 | raster | biggest sd is 512bg |
| 00:54:21 | raster | biggest cf is 1gb |
| 00:54:27 | raster | err |
| 00:54:27 | raster | 512mb |
| 00:54:30 | raster | that is |
| 00:54:33 | badl | 512 BIGS! |
| 00:54:37 | raster | not to mention you can get a 2gb micordive cf now |
| 00:54:38 | raster | :) |
| 00:54:47 | nitup | yeah, flash cf goes to 512... the microdrive is cool... but a power hog |
| 00:55:05 | raster | nah |
| 00:55:08 | raster | you can get 1gb cf |
| 00:55:16 | nitup | really? cool |
| 00:55:21 | raster | yup |
| 00:55:24 | raster | expensive |
| 00:55:25 | raster | but its there |
| 00:55:32 | raster | spotted it in yodobshi |
| 00:55:58 | raster | tey have every concievable cf/sd/mms/xd etc. card there is |
| 00:57:20 | nitup | sandisk is getting a call tomorrow... grr |
| 00:57:37 | nitup | my win2k box can't even format it in a card reader |
| 00:57:49 | raster | hehehehe |
| 00:57:51 | raster | man |
| 00:57:52 | raster | it's you! |
| 00:58:02 | raster | it must be static you put into the card |
| 00:58:03 | raster | :) |
| 00:58:12 | nitup | right, yeah, good point :) |
| 00:58:29 | nitup | that's why my 64M mmc has just worked |
| 00:59:28 | raster | yup |
| 00:59:30 | raster | exactly1 |
| 00:59:33 | raster | :) |
| 00:59:34 | nitup | oh well, live and learn... if I wasn't impatient, I wouldn't have gotten this card |
| 00:59:43 | raster | actually |
| 00:59:55 | raster | i am building a collection of unused sotrage cards |
| 00:59:58 | raster | got 32mb mmc |
| 01:00:00 | Neo|Work | one benefit of SD is that, well, it can be used in conjunction with a network card |
| 01:00:07 | raster | and a 32mb cf i dont /cant use |
| 01:00:12 | nitup | i'd go for to CF slots |
| 01:00:26 | Neo|Work | yes, two CF slots would be nicer |
| 01:00:27 | nitup | forget the sd... it's too flakey eyt |
| 01:00:41 | Neo|Work | but there's most likely many issues with that other than space |
| 01:00:44 | nitup | besides... cf is a nice clean ata spec |
| 01:00:48 | raster | i hear slower than cf... right? |
| 01:01:18 | nitup | yeah, sd is very slow compared to cf |
| 01:01:34 | nitup | at least the way it's implemnted on the Z |
| 01:02:25 | raster | poopie pants |
| 01:02:34 | raster | need to beat sharp for that |
| 01:03:34 | nitup | dunno, it (in theory) is a good idea... sd is nice and small... I just wish the driver was more robust |
| 01:04:28 | raster | more smelly |
| 01:05:02 | ljp | in the Z its a hardware limitation. There's one one channel, even tho sd supports 4 |
| 01:05:22 | nitup | i'd just be happy for the card to work :) |
| 01:06:14 | raster | hheheheeh |
| 01:07:06 | treke|home | have any pda manufacturers actually gotten SD to work reliably? I've seen complaints from pocketpc users along with the Z |
| 01:07:15 | oGMo | they should just build 802.11b and BT in |
| 01:07:18 | nitup | not that I've seen |
| 01:07:39 | nitup | yeah, forget the sd... build in wireless and have a cf slot |
| 01:07:40 | treke|home | oGMo: 802.11b, BT, and 2 cf slots :) |
| 01:07:46 | oGMo | treke|home: >:) |
| 01:08:13 | raster | oGMo: some pdas do have those built in! |
| 01:08:13 | raster | :) |
| 01:08:17 | oGMo | treke|home: cept, there's not really enough room, but why let silly things like physics get in the way ;) |
| 01:08:28 | oGMo | raaaaaaster |
| 01:08:32 | treke|home | oGMo: about time someone understands that |
| 01:08:32 | raster | andf instead of a usb cradle |
| 01:08:33 | oGMo | raster: yeah, but i want a z |
| 01:08:35 | oGMo | well |
| 01:08:40 | raster | it shoudl be an 10/100 ethernet breakout cradle |
| 01:08:41 | oGMo | i want a z with them built in |
| 01:08:42 | raster | :) |
| 01:08:56 | raster | none of this usbnet shite |
| 01:09:01 | oGMo | raster: that'd be crazy, otoh, i don't know why not |
| 01:09:17 | raster | ethernet chips are smalla nd doirt cheap |
| 01:09:22 | raster | dime-a-dozen |
| 01:09:27 | oGMo | yeah |
| 01:09:35 | raster | cradle simply breaks out so a 10/100 rj-45 port |
| 01:09:43 | raster | that you just plug in5to your hub/switch |
| 01:09:46 | raster | or crossover |
| 01:09:53 | nitup | now taht would rock |
| 01:09:56 | oGMo | they'd need to keep the usb |
| 01:10:03 | oGMo | since not everyone has a network |
| 01:10:15 | raster | technicalyl they coudl have this all done in the cradle |
| 01:10:15 | oGMo | but i'd never use it if they had eth ;) |
| 01:10:17 | raster | bah |
| 01:10:24 | raster | everyeone SHOULd have a network! |
| 01:10:25 | raster | :) |
| 01:10:38 | nitup | actually, I would imagine most ppl buying a Z have ethernet |
| 01:10:51 | oGMo | raster: in fact, i dunno why even bother with wired networking |
| 01:10:54 | nitup | not to mention an eth card for a pc is CHEAP |
| 01:11:01 | treke|home | oGMo: the cradle is just a usb network card |
| 01:11:10 | oGMo | nitup: perhaps, but they intend a larger audience ;) |
| 01:11:21 | raster | oGMo: why? simple, secure, bandwidth. |
| 01:11:28 | oGMo | raster: good point |
| 01:11:38 | treke|home | oGMo: And usefull for more than just syncing |
| 01:11:51 | oGMo | treke|home: i never sync anymore |
| 01:11:55 | raster | wireless eithe rmeans insecure but easy (once youve figures whatchannel to broadcast on etc.) |
| 01:12:02 | oGMo | i just back up to cf or ftp over stuff |
| 01:12:07 | raster | or having to enter encryption keys for the network etc. |
| 01:12:10 | raster | and lots of setup |
| 01:12:23 | raster | wired si nice and simple, cheap. plug in, dhcp. go. |
| 01:12:36 | treke|home | wants an easy way to switch betweeen different wireless networks |
| 01:25:43 | plastik | are there any zaurus user groups (that meet in person) |
| 01:26:07 | badl | has any1 tried out the utility "Blind" (turns off LCD)... is there and stats on the acutal power savings? |
| 01:26:30 | nitup | it works... installed it yesterday... can't speak to the power savings yet |
| 01:26:51 | badl | nitup: some1 needs to do some testing... ;) |
| 01:31:37 | treke|home | power savings should be VERY significant |
| 01:32:15 | nitup | I would think blind would save much power... sweet for things like playing mp3's and kismet |
| 01:34:25 | ljp | is going to add that functionality to op2 |
| 01:34:49 | ljp | only problem is.. it creates a glitch in the audio |
| 01:35:10 | nitup | yeah, noticed that with blind... at just after the screen powers off |
| 01:35:23 | nitup | using the built in player with 2.38 rom |
| 01:35:44 | ljp | ya, that cant be helped |
| 01:37:20 | nitup | ljp: bummer |
| 01:37:55 | badl | ljp: gitch in the audio? what ya mean exactly |
| 01:38:25 | badl | ljp: you mean audio gets inturuptted for a second.. but then continues to play |
| 01:38:32 | ljp | when the screen blanks. there's a glitch.. a moment of no sound |
| 01:38:36 | ljp | yes |
| 01:38:43 | badl | thats nothing ;) |
| 01:38:59 | ljp | Thats one reason I have yet added it to op2 |
| 01:39:12 | badl | crappy DMA on my laptop freezes the whole computer when ejecting a cd ;) |
| 01:39:17 | ljp | and that I needed to handle the frontlight _and_ the fb |
| 01:45:29 | nitup | no more dell dude guy |
| 01:46:00 | badl | dell? |
| 01:46:24 | nitup | ever seen the "dude your gettin a dell" adds? |
| 01:46:34 | badl | nope |
| 01:47:31 | nitup | oh, hmm... you must not watch much tv |
| 01:48:39 | badl | no.. i live in a country where no such ads exist (even M$, Apple ads for that matter) |
| 01:48:56 | ljp | hmmm lucky |
| 01:49:02 | badl | probably only intel |
| 01:50:26 | nitup | badl: I'm used to the idea that you pay to watch ads^Wtv here in the US |
| 02:05:37 | jbardin | is there a google 'spy' page? |
| 02:16:37 | Bones3D | heya worm |
| 02:16:41 | DaWorm | hey Bones |
| 02:16:48 | Bones3D | how goes? |
| 02:16:49 | DaWorm | i noticed something after installing all the stuff last night |
| 02:17:10 | DaWorm | after a Qtopia suspend, it won't even resume |
| 02:17:18 | Bones3D | *nod* |
| 02:17:41 | DaWorm | and everytime i boot, i think my memory gets lower and lower by at least 6k |
| 02:18:14 | Bones3D | its one of the side effects of x11, unfortunately. Supposedly there's a way around it, but I haven't attempted it yet |
| 02:18:58 | DaWorm | interesting, but 6k every boot! hehehehe |
| 02:19:17 | DaWorm | i also thought it was x11 |
| 02:19:23 | Bones3D | may be some kind of log its keeping |
| 02:20:22 | Bones3D | http://www.mmhart.com/macz.htm <-- if you look under fixing x11 on here, it kinda explains how to correct the suspend issues |
| 02:20:52 | kergoth | Bones3D: part of the problem is that qtopia puts the power key handling into a certain state, and doesnt revert it on exit. |
| 02:21:01 | kergoth | Bones3D: fails to clean up after itself |
| 02:21:20 | Bones3D | hmm, so sloppy work on the part of QT? |
| 02:21:31 | kergoth | qtopia != qt |
| 02:22:15 | Bones3D | hmm... well, I wasn't aware there was a separate QT |
| 02:22:22 | kergoth | qtopia uses qt |
| 02:22:24 | kergoth | opie uses qt |
| 02:22:58 | kergoth | Cloudchaser_: that was fast |
| 02:23:06 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 02:25:28 | ljp | whats'd ya do? |
| 02:26:02 | kergoth | whats'd? wtf does that mean :P |
| 02:26:14 | chouimat | ljp: a quickie? |
| 02:26:47 | badl | chouimat: quickie=a slap of the monkey |
| 02:27:27 | chouimat | listens to Old Man's Child |
| 02:27:37 | kergoth | listens to dj tiesto |
| 02:27:56 | badl | listens to Wu-Tang -- 36 Chambers! |
| 02:28:17 | chouimat | yurk! |
| 02:28:24 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:29:25 | ljp | hmmm.. I _meant_ what'd |
| 02:36:42 | treke|home | ljp: must not be a large quilt |
| 02:52:36 | DaWorm | Bones3D: i got to fix the qtopia suspend/resume issue with those x11 scripts, but somehow, i still get eaten a fek kb during reboot |
| 02:53:28 | Bones3D | yeah... I'm looking into it |
| 03:00:37 | darienm | Hi Bones3D: You been playing with Mac on the Z ? |
| 03:00:44 | Bones3D | yep |
| 03:00:49 | darienm | sweet, ain't it? |
| 03:00:53 | darienm | saw my page? |
| 03:01:18 | Bones3D | its interesting... hoping to figure out how to get around a few issues with it |
| 03:01:28 | Bones3D | no, I don't think so |
| 03:01:39 | darienm | keep me informed of anything you learn, and I'll add it to http://zaurus.kruss.com/macemu.php |
| 03:02:32 | Bones3D | would full screen landscape mode interest ya? ;-) |
| 03:03:29 | Bones3D | http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/invboard/index.php?act=ST&f=3&t=3817&s=0415ca4f81c0a63862820ff80c0ace2d <-- 5th post down |
| 03:03:34 | DaWorm | hehehe |
| 03:03:39 | DaWorm | i got to test it as well |
| 03:07:52 | Cloudchaser | what does OS8 on teh z do for you? |
| 03:08:51 | Bones3D | has only had system 7.1 so far... need a larger cf card before moving to anything higher |
| 03:09:06 | Cloudchaser | but what does it do for you/ |
| 03:09:15 | DaWorm | we get a mac pda |
| 03:09:16 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 03:09:36 | Cloudchaser | does it run mac programs? |
| 03:09:50 | Cloudchaser | is a little confused by the idea of a mac emulator |
| 03:09:57 | Bones3D | its basically like having a fully functional mac you can put in your pocket |
| 03:10:04 | DaWorm | sure mac emlation has been around for a while |
| 03:10:13 | DaWorm | predominantly on windows |
| 03:10:21 | darienm | yes, it runs mac programs. |
| 03:10:25 | DaWorm | since basilisk can run on x11 |
| 03:10:31 | DaWorm | why not on the zaurus on x11? |
| 03:10:40 | Cloudchaser | do you have screenshot of it? |
| 03:10:44 | DaWorm | sure do |
| 03:10:54 | DaWorm | i have mine on 7.1 though |
| 03:10:58 | Cloudchaser | what kind of mac apps do you run on it? |
| 03:11:00 | Bones3D | http://www.bones3d.com/think/zmac.jpg |
| 03:11:11 | DaWorm | just started last night, haven't really tried installing apps |
| 03:11:19 | darienm | http://zaurus.kruss.com/macemu.php |
| 03:12:42 | Cloudchaser | how funny :) |
| 03:12:43 | Bones3D | afk a sec |
| 03:12:52 | Cloudchaser | thank you :) |
| 03:13:31 | DaWorm | its mac idolatry at its best |
| 03:13:32 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 03:13:45 | Cloudchaser | are the apps better than what you can find for the z? |
| 03:14:07 | DaWorm | well its really different you see |
| 03:14:30 | DaWorm | i don't really expect to run photoshop on it |
| 03:14:33 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 03:15:03 | Cloudchaser | is it a "just because you can" thing? or is it something you will use for real? |
| 03:15:18 | DaWorm | Bones3D plans to use it for real |
| 03:15:51 | badl | use a mac for real? |
| 03:16:22 | badl | looks like Bones3D loves the teletubbies too! |
| 03:16:23 | badl | :) |
| 03:18:52 | Cloudchaser | i guess i don't quite get it |
| 03:18:56 | Cloudchaser | but thats ok :0 |
| 03:18:56 | Bones3D | back |
| 03:19:06 | Bones3D | yeah, I use macs |
| 03:19:18 | Cloudchaser | no thats not it |
| 03:19:28 | badl | ? |
| 03:19:32 | Cloudchaser | using an old os emulator on the zaurus |
| 03:19:36 | Cloudchaser | thats what i don't get ;) |
| 03:19:49 | badl | i was meaning is the speed of the mac emulation on the Z useable? |
| 03:20:13 | Bones3D | because, despite the machine emulated, it's still fast enough to run quite a few popular apps |
| 03:20:26 | Cloudchaser | what apps? |
| 03:21:05 | badl | bbedit |
| 03:21:42 | DaWorm | even if it was emulation, it was surprisingly fast |
| 03:21:53 | Cloudchaser | what is bbedit? |
| 03:21:58 | Bones3D | hmm... well, earlier versions of adobe photoshop, Infini-D (a 3D modeling app), a few other odds and ends |
| 03:22:08 | badl | Cloudchaser: text editor |
| 03:22:16 | br33zy | ok |
| 03:22:20 | br33zy | what is everybody talking about |
| 03:22:22 | Cloudchaser | the z has text editors |
| 03:22:22 | br33zy | text editors? |
| 03:22:23 | badl | Cloudchaser: think aslong the lines of emacs i surpose |
| 03:22:28 | DaWorm | i had a friend who uses bbedit for everything |
| 03:22:35 | br33zy | how about anjuta? |
| 03:22:36 | DaWorm | even making documents |
| 03:22:37 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 03:22:39 | br33zy | i like anjuta, nice easy coding |
| 03:23:10 | badl | new rewrite of kate on kde 3.1 shall be fucken good! ;) |
| 03:23:25 | DaWorm | bbl Lunch |
| 03:24:37 | Bones3D | see ya worm |
| 03:59:38 | scanline | is back (gone 10:17:40) |
| 04:12:05 | Bones3D | hmm |
| 04:16:45 | DaWorm | whats up |
| 04:35:04 | Bones3D | worm, I posted instructions for restoring suspend mode in the UAE Port thread in general chat |
| 04:35:21 | Bones3D | works ok |
| 04:35:38 | DaWorm | i got to run suspend as well |
| 04:35:49 | DaWorm | but something's still eating a few kbs |
| 04:51:20 | Bones3D | :-P |
| 04:56:44 | DaWorm | hmm |
| 04:58:57 | hardwire | hmm? |
| 05:20:10 | Sniper1 | gnite |
| 05:51:39 | darienm | Bones3D: Thanks for suspend fix - works great! |
| 05:51:51 | darienm | Now I'm just deciding what legacy apps to load onto the Z. |
| 05:51:55 | Bones3D | great! glad to know it helped :-) |
| 05:51:56 | darienm | I'm thinking --- Soft PC :) |
| 05:52:01 | Bones3D | lol |
| 05:52:02 | darienm | or MS Word 5 |
| 05:52:28 | Bones3D | did they do a pc emulator for 68K macs? |
| 05:52:41 | darienm | or maybe HyperCard |
| 05:52:54 | darienm | Yeah - Soft PC was back for system 6 days, emulated Dos |
| 05:53:07 | darienm | fits on 2 floppies |
| 05:53:19 | darienm | (gawd, I have about 500 floppies here from those days) |
| 05:53:20 | Bones3D | ahh |
| 05:53:29 | Bones3D | hypercard is fun |
| 05:53:39 | darienm | Oooh. ClarisWorks! |
| 05:54:24 | Bones3D | if you really want to run it thru its courses, try something big like photoshop... I think v2.x was 68K based |
| 05:54:53 | darienm | I also have hundreds of Desk Accessories that do various things, from image editing, to spreadsheets, to you name it. |
| 05:55:10 | darienm | yeah - I have all versions of PS here somewhere -- looking. |
| 05:55:26 | Bones3D | I have a 3D modelling app I want to try on mine... called Infini-D. :-) |
| 05:56:11 | darienm | Filemaker pro |
| 05:56:23 | Bones3D | *nods* |
| 05:56:28 | darienm | I _still_ use Infini_D, but it wont work I guess, no FP on the Z. |
| 05:56:40 | Bones3D | hmm |
| 05:57:04 | Bones3D | actually, I think 68030 had an FPU option |
| 05:57:28 | darienm | mwhahaah - II in a Mac (apple II emulator) |
| 05:57:43 | Bones3D | meh... use stop the madness |
| 05:58:36 | Bones3D | I'm curious how games like Maelstrom and spectre will run |
| 06:00:16 | Bones3D | hmm... has anyone tried running multiple instances of Basilisk II yet? |
| 06:00:42 | darienm | I have spectre here |
| 06:01:05 | Bones3D | shufflepuck cafe would be awesome |
| 06:01:09 | darienm | I have that too |
| 06:01:21 | darienm | strata studio pro |
| 06:01:37 | darienm | Adobe Illustrator 1.0, '88 |
| 06:01:48 | Bones3D | aldus pagemaker |
| 06:01:57 | darienm | got pagemaker, but it takes 3 disks |
| 06:02:01 | Bones3D | superpaint was good too |
| 06:02:03 | darienm | multi-ad creator was just one |
| 06:02:28 | darienm | the days. |
| 06:03:42 | Bones3D | Macromedia director 4.x |
| 06:05:48 | Bones3D | Quicktime might be interesting if you can find a 68k version still |
| 06:07:29 | darienm | uh oh -- two more boxes of floppies, 500 in each one *sigh* |
| 06:07:49 | Bones3D | someone suggested to me earlier that if the network connect in linux can be mapped to Basilisk II, you could probably mount other computers drives on the desktop via appletalk |
| 06:07:51 | darienm | haha - marathon |
| 06:09:19 | darienm | here it is - Infini-D 2.5 |
| 06:09:22 | Bones3D | hehe... marathon lan party with a bunch of zauruses emulating Mac OS |
| 06:29:33 | darienm | I'm running MICROSOFT WORKS !!! |
| 06:29:41 | darienm | hahaha |
| 06:30:36 | Bones3D | l33t ;-) |
| 06:33:30 | Saurian | Anyone used a Zaurus with a really big SD card? }:) |
| 06:34:15 | vilmund | super duper big? |
| 06:34:43 | Saurian | I've seen a few companies selling 512MB |
| 06:34:58 | vilmund | what's the cost? |
| 06:35:06 | Saurian | would love 512MB of storage, but doesn |
| 06:35:14 | Saurian | 't wanna lay out the cash if it won't work. |
| 06:35:26 | Saurian | Erm....something like $250 or so, IIRC |
| 06:35:33 | vilmund | I'm actually looking myself just got this 56k ambicom modem working |
| 06:36:06 | vilmund | how much can i get for $100? |
| 06:36:19 | Saurian | Prolly about 128MB |
| 06:36:31 | Saurian | Check on www.pricewatch.com |
| 06:36:46 | vilmund | did you ever buy a z? |
| 06:37:09 | Saurian | I will order one tomorrow. BestBuy and CircuitCity don't seem to be carrying them anymore. }:P |
| 06:37:26 | vilmund | one of the first things I saw when I got my modem connected was you saying you're pondering it |
| 06:37:39 | Saurian | chuckles. |
| 06:37:43 | vilmund | right now i'm on my laptop though |
| 06:37:49 | Saurian | I pondered very hard. I can't resist a linux PDA. }:) |
| 06:38:10 | vilmund | yeah it's pretty cool what are they going for now? |
| 06:38:21 | vilmund | 5500? |
| 06:38:42 | vilmund | or the 5800 model? |
| 06:39:37 | Saurian | 5800? |
| 06:40:20 | vilmund | isn't there a new model coming out? the guys at compusa said they didn't have the old model because they were waiting on shipment of a new model |
| 06:40:47 | Saurian | Funny...BestBuy said something similar, but I thought it was just the usual 'shutup and go away' line... Hrm.... |
| 06:41:03 | vilmund | I got my 5500 for about $350 a couple of months ago |
| 06:41:07 | Saurian | Now I may have to wait for a Zaurus dammit. }:) |
| 06:41:53 | vilmund | oh well you can learn more about it in the meantime so you'll be ready to fly when ya get it |
| 06:42:00 | | Ask me about SL-5600 instead |
| 06:42:00 | mark | ibot: 5600 |
| 06:42:05 | | i think SL-5600 is the rumoured next version of the Zaurus that would feature a 400 MHz XScale processor and have better battery time than the SL-5500. Note that the model number is just a guess at this point in time. or the next US model to be released or rumors indicate the next zaurus version will be released on nov 1st |
| 06:42:05 | mark | ibot: SL-5600 |
| 06:42:45 | | vilmund: huh? |
| 06:42:45 | vilmund | ibot SL-5800 |
| 06:43:04 | Saurian | While looking at the 5500, I desperatelu wished they'd used 2 CF slots... |
| 06:43:04 | Saurian | Okay...that's mine. }:) |
| 06:43:14 | | vilmund: huh? |
| 06:43:14 | vilmund | ibot: SL-5800 |
| 06:43:36 | vilmund | you mean in addition to an sd? |
| 06:44:08 | Saurian | I don't really care about the SD...SD is only usable as memory anyway. }:) |
| 06:44:44 | Saurian | Zaurus + 802.11 CF card + 1GB IBM microdrive == Kick ass PDA. }:) |
| 06:44:59 | mark | Saurian: and about 3 mins battery life |
| 06:45:17 | Saurian | Prolly, but I'd mostly be using it where I have AC power anyway. |
| 06:45:24 | vilmund | you can get the 5500 from Advanced Computers for $325 |
| 06:45:35 | Saurian | Harmony has them for the same price. |
| 06:54:05 | scanline | I need an opinion... in which of these screenshots do the fonts look better: |
| 06:54:09 | scanline | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.11229.png |
| 06:54:12 | scanline | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.11672.png |
| 06:54:26 | darienm | Second one |
| 06:54:30 | darienm | 11672 |
| 06:54:41 | scanline | All of it, or just the terminal text? |
| 06:54:53 | scanline | To me, the terminal text looks best in the second, but everything else is better in the first |
| 06:55:00 | darienm | well.... |
| 06:55:41 | darienm | only because the stuff in the taskbar(?) is a font that doesn't anti-alias well.. |
| 06:55:59 | darienm | the word 'TERMINAL' for instance is all orthogonal lines |
| 06:56:07 | scanline | It's all antialiased. The first screenshot is with forced autohint on, the second with it off |
| 06:56:28 | scanline | I'm thinking I should have forced autohint on by default, but override it for that terminal font |
| 06:56:34 | | i haven't a clue, piete |
| 06:56:34 | Piete | ibot When is my zaurus finally going to arrive? |
| 06:56:39 | darienm | force autohint only for font sizes above size X ? |
| 06:56:55 | scanline | darienm: that's a good idea |
| 06:57:42 | scanline | The Andale Mono font would look beautiful in that terminal, but it's microsoft and not freely redistributable |
| 06:58:03 | scanline | These screenshots show Nimbus Mono L, a font from Ghostscript |
| 06:58:10 | psylon | You guys have any idea when the next "official" bet is due out? |
| 06:58:18 | psylon | whoops beta |
| 06:58:27 | darienm | scanline: there are some fonts called 'tiny' that would work well also, methinks. and they are free. |
| 06:58:59 | scanline | darienm: what format? |
| 06:59:05 | darienm | what do you need? |
| 06:59:14 | scanline | Anything freetype can handle, preferably Truetype or Type1 |
| 06:59:17 | darienm | http://www.dsg4.com/04/extra/bitmap/index.html |
| 06:59:49 | scanline | ah.. bitmap fonts |
| 07:00:07 | scanline | Schumacher Clean is a nice bitmap font for small terminals |
| 07:00:29 | scanline | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.25796.png <-- clean8 I think |
| 07:00:43 | darienm | that is nice. |
| 07:00:52 | scanline | better than the antialiased font? |
| 07:01:00 | darienm | hell yeah |
| 07:01:09 | scanline | k |
| 07:01:29 | darienm | bigger though, methinks |
| 07:01:43 | scanline | I think they're both 8 pixel high |
| 07:01:59 | darienm | you should try that first listing on the page I sent ya. |
| 07:02:09 | scanline | ok |
| 07:02:21 | scanline | oh.. they're in truetype format |
| 07:02:22 | scanline | hmm |
| 07:02:26 | scanline | neat |
| 07:02:33 | darienm | yeah - that's why I asked what you needed. |
| 07:02:37 | | ibot is, like, an infobot http://infobot.org/ run by BZFlag on Tangent's hardware or a firewire web cam http://www.orangemicro.com/ibot.html or the coolest thing since pre-grated cheese |
| 07:02:37 | Piete | ibot ibot |
| 07:02:58 | darienm | check the one down the page, 04B-24 |
| 07:03:14 | darienm | all caps tho. |
| 07:03:33 | darienm | I think the first on that page is your best bet to try. |
| 07:03:42 | scanline | yep |
| 07:03:52 | scanline | what license are these under? |
| 07:03:54 | darienm | 1K for a font ain't bad. |
| 07:04:13 | darienm | FREEWARE "You may use them as you like" |
| 07:04:23 | darienm | if you click "About" bottom of the page on the left. |
| 07:04:25 | scanline | cool |
| 07:04:28 | scanline | thanks a bunch! |
| 07:04:51 | darienm | is anxious to see the next screenie. |
| 07:04:54 | scanline | I think I'll make a collection of free fonts from this site, openoffice, and ghostscript, stick them in CVS as standard fonts for picogui |
| 07:05:20 | darienm | wanna see something wacky? |
| 07:05:24 | scanline | sure |
| 07:05:29 | darienm | http://www.dsg4.com/04/extra/font/index.html |
| 07:05:47 | scanline | hehe |
| 07:07:55 | Piete | darienm: nice... :) |
| 07:08:07 | darienm | not mine... |
| 07:08:59 | scanline | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.16779.png |
| 07:09:12 | darienm | that's with hint on I assume? |
| 07:09:24 | scanline | the lowercase i is too far to the left in the character cell.. I think that's a bug in my terminal |
| 07:09:29 | Piete | I can't read that last font... it looks weird |
| 07:09:29 | scanline | Yes, forced hint on |
| 07:09:38 | scanline | it shouldn't affect the terminal though, since it's using a bitmap font |
| 07:10:44 | darienm | its very clean - eats up more horizontal space, but very clean |
| 07:11:02 | scanline | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.25796.png <-- better or worse than this font? |
| 07:12:21 | darienm | different context, hard to tell. |
| 07:12:38 | darienm | I do like the green one lots. |
| 07:12:49 | Piete | I think the latter is the best |
| 07:12:51 | scanline | the color scheme or the font itself? |
| 07:13:01 | scanline | tries clean8 with the freetype engine |
| 07:13:06 | darienm | again, hard to tell out of context. can you do an ls -l with the green one? |
| 07:13:17 | scanline | working on that |
| 07:13:34 | scanline | that one was taken with the old font engine, I need to convert that font to something I can load in the new engine |
| 07:16:01 | scanline | gah... |
| 07:16:06 | scanline | font engine chokes on that one :-/ |
| 07:16:22 | scanline | don't think I've tested it on .bdf fonts yet |
| 07:18:31 | Piete | wow, thanks for those fonts darienm, they look great ;) |
| 07:18:38 | Piete | (on my slackware box) |
| 07:19:40 | darienm | I only provided the link... but you're welcome |
| 07:21:31 | scanline | cooks some ramen noodles |
| 07:25:47 | Piete | scanline: make me some too? I'll give you some cheese to put over it ;) |
| 07:25:59 | scanline | DCCs Piete some ramens |
| 07:26:16 | Piete | DCCs scanline some cheddar cheese |
| 07:26:24 | scanline | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.17069.png <-- what do you think about this one? Familiar uses the microsoft Andale Mono font, not freely redistributable |
| 07:26:55 | Piete | no offence, but that font is butt-ugly ;) |
| 07:27:15 | scanline | that isn't my screenshot, so no need to say no offence :) |
| 07:27:39 | Piete | no offence to whomever's screen that is ;) |
| 07:27:54 | scanline | http://picogui.org/download/gamma_corrected_pterm.png <-- this is the same font, larger |
| 07:29:37 | Piete | ah ok, on the back bg it looks better |
| 07:30:06 | scanline | it's hard to get enough contrast with an antialiased font on a black background at small sizes |
| 07:30:58 | Piete | ya |
| 07:34:02 | scanline | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.27648.png |
| 08:12:55 | Piete | is it a good idea to run picogui on the Z? |
| 08:13:51 | scanline | you can't really do much with it yet |
| 08:18:40 | | wembly: i don't know |
| 08:18:40 | Wembly | ibot ozprerelease? |
| 08:58:52 | Piete | ibot how are you: |
| 08:58:56 | | peachy |
| 08:58:56 | Piete | ibot how are you? |
| 09:17:46 | Piete | is away: brb |
| 11:24:12 | Mickey|away | is leaving for a while... |
| 12:14:23 | badl | my Z is fucking me off... |
| 12:15:34 | Dataken | i hope it's a female one... |
| 12:22:02 | badl | heh |
| 12:22:10 | badl | nah the battery is lasting for ages! |
| 12:22:31 | badl | just over 5 hours continuously playing an mp3 |
| 12:23:47 | akawaka | anyone having problems with sd cards? |
| 12:23:56 | badl | no |
| 12:24:00 | akawaka | my zaurus just freezes when I try to write to it |
| 12:24:12 | badl | what brand? |
| 12:24:17 | akawaka | sandisc |
| 12:24:27 | badl | what format is the filesystem? |
| 12:24:48 | akawaka | vfat |
| 12:25:01 | akawaka | i tried to make it ext2, but it froze |
| 12:25:09 | badl | hmmm |
| 12:25:24 | badl | what rom version you running |
| 12:26:20 | akawaka | not sure |
| 12:26:29 | badl | check system info |
| 12:26:36 | badl | and it will tell you |
| 12:26:42 | badl | hello PascalS |
| 12:26:56 | PascalS | Hi badl |
| 12:27:53 | akawaka | don't have my Z here with me |
| 12:28:39 | badl | akawaka: well all i can suggest is, that there are known problems with sandisk SD cards and the Z.... try upgrading to the lastest rom version to see if it fixes your problem |
| 12:30:45 | PascalS | You should never be found without your Z! That is almost as bad as misplacing your towel! |
| 12:31:43 | badl | ahhh good my Z is running out of battery :) |
| 12:32:52 | PascalS | Hey, but you still have it! You can still use it as an expensive paperweight! |
| 12:33:44 | badl | grins away and ponders the question... |
| 12:33:52 | badl | DaJoker: do you like to joke around? ;) |
| 12:34:25 | DaJoker | badl: yup |
| 12:34:36 | badl | heh heh! |
| 12:54:07 | jbwiv | hello all... |
| 12:58:39 | scanline | is away: food + homework |
| 12:58:44 | benmeyer | Morning |
| 12:59:47 | badl | very early morning benmeyer |
| 13:01:05 | noidd | ello |
| 13:01:10 | jbwiv | hey guys...any way to make the SL-5000D an SL-5500 equivalent, with SD/CF expansions ? |
| 13:01:18 | tux_mike | yes, it is morning. now let's never mention it again |
| 13:01:29 | badl | wtf tux_mike? |
| 13:01:46 | tux_mike | morning == the root of all evil |
| 13:01:48 | jbwiv | in other words....a way to trick it into using the 32 mb for RAM and SD/CF for filesystem, etc. |
| 13:01:55 | badl | ohhh it is? |
| 13:02:00 | tux_mike | yup |
| 13:02:05 | badl | whys that |
| 13:02:43 | PascalS | jbwiv: yes, you can. |
| 13:02:43 | noidd | this is a dull "out of the blue" question |
| 13:02:59 | noidd | but any of you use directfb (www.directfb.org) |
| 13:03:13 | jbwiv | PascalS: how would I go about that? (urls would be helpful) ;-) |
| 13:03:44 | tux_mike | noooooooo! my pretzels! all over the floor! |
| 13:03:58 | badl | noidd: i don't use it.. but have played with it before |
| 13:04:34 | noidd | badl: which graphics card did you use? |
| 13:04:47 | badl | noidd: geforce 256 |
| 13:04:49 | noidd | I like the idea of windows with alpha :-) |
| 13:05:05 | noidd | is that above or below a gforce 2 in spec? do you know? |
| 13:05:16 | badl | it is a geforce 1 card... DDR |
| 13:05:24 | noidd | did it work ok? |
| 13:05:24 | badl | lower |
| 13:05:42 | ciaolinux | jbwiv: i don't think you can... unless you have a minidisk and use virtual ram (but it wouldn't be the same) |
| 13:05:51 | badl | yes it worked... however the performance advantage was minimal |
| 13:06:09 | noidd | did you get fading windows? :-) |
| 13:06:13 | noidd | thats all I care about |
| 13:06:22 | ciaolinux | jbwiv: if you use the cf as a ram, it will be spoilt soon... anyway you can read the faq for it... |
| 13:07:12 | jbwiv | ciaolinux: alright...cool. I checked the faq this morning but must have overlooked it. thanks. |
| 13:07:50 | PascalS | jbwiv: you don't want to do that |
| 13:07:52 | badl | noidd: yes but i didn't care about them... my main reason for trying it out was to have a nice tux logo on console boot up |
| 13:07:52 | noidd | well, i'm going to give that a go |
| 13:07:59 | noidd | hehe |
| 13:08:10 | benmeyer | Where are the 5000 roms kept? |
| 13:08:12 | noidd | prettyness > all :-) |
| 13:08:19 | PascalS | jbwiv: You will ruin your flash memory in no time. |
| 13:08:23 | noidd | benmeyer: you're asking us? :-) |
| 13:08:28 | benmeyer | yup |
| 13:08:33 | badl | hehe .... its always work a try ;) |
| 13:09:09 | jbwiv | PascalS: what about with a microdrive? |
| 13:09:16 | noidd | ok, i'm going to try this now |
| 13:09:20 | noidd | later :-) |
| 13:09:38 | ciaolinux | jbwiv: ppl say that it would be too battery consuming |
| 13:09:43 | PascalS | jbwiv: That would not be a problem. Flash doesn't have very many write cycles before it doesn't work anymore. |
| 13:10:20 | PascalS | There is a rom images out there that uses SD for filesystem and the full 32MB for RAM |
| 13:10:32 | PascalS | I just can't find it right now. |
| 13:11:09 | ciaolinux | PascalS: oz does that |
| 13:11:17 | | it has been said that oz prerelease is http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021015_1642/ |
| 13:11:17 | ciaolinux | ibot: oz prerelease |
| 13:13:09 | jbwiv | alright guys...thanks for the help. From what I gather, it can be done, but it's a Bad Idea... |
| 13:13:28 | PascalS | jbwiv: no, it isn't |
| 13:13:54 | PascalS | just use an SD card for your filesystem, and your ram for, well, ram. |
| 13:13:59 | benmeyer | Hey WTF |
| 13:14:06 | benmeyer | there is a "special" rom now? |
| 13:14:08 | benmeyer | 1.3a |
| 13:14:16 | tux_mike | huh? |
| 13:14:19 | jbwiv | PascalS: so as long as I use CF for filesystem, I should be ok.... |
| 13:14:19 | benmeyer | why the hell would we call it 1.3a |
| 13:14:20 | PascalS | No problem there, just be careful not to eject the SD card :) |
| 13:14:21 | ciaolinux | benmeyer: been there for at least 1 month |
| 13:14:40 | jbwiv | PascalS: lol, alright...thanks ;-) |
| 13:14:45 | ciaolinux | PascalS: wouldn't it spoil the sd card? isn't the sd card too slow? |
| 13:15:06 | PascalS | I know there is a rom that uses the SD for rootfs, I don't know about rootfs on CF |
| 13:16:14 | PascalS | ciaolinux: it is slow, but linux will cache the recently used data in RAM. Normal filesystem activity won't kill an SD card faster than it's intended lifetime (5 years or so) |
| 13:16:56 | PascalS | jbwiv: Start searching from the sharp developer site, should be three or four clicks away from that page. |
| 13:17:38 | ciaolinux | PascalS: interesting... thanks for the info... i will check that |
| 13:18:16 | PascalS | ciaolinux: Typical flash erase/rewrite (googled) cycles are 10.000-50.000 times. |
| 13:18:44 | PascalS | ciaolinux: that is /per/ 512/1024/2048 byte'sector' |
| 13:20:17 | tux_mike | sets his phone to remind him about the DMCA public comment submissions |
| 13:20:18 | PascalS | ciaolinux: although you should be able to write far more often than that (upto 1.000.000 times) |
| 13:20:35 | tux_mike | i should work on writing up my draft right now |
| 13:20:46 | PascalS | It all depends on your manufacturer |
| 13:30:40 | jbwiv | PascalS: thanks for all the info man...I appreciate it! |
| 13:31:24 | PascalS | You're welc... NO CARIER |
| 13:32:27 | akawaka | hmmm, how do i go about doing a rom upgrade? |
| 13:32:47 | | pascals: wish i knew |
| 13:32:47 | PascalS | ibot rom upgrade? |
| 13:32:56 | brontos | I have a problem I tried to install the patches and then recompiled now when I turn on my zaurus in the cradle I get: usb.c: USB device 5 (vend... product...) is not claimed by any active driver. |
| 13:33:03 | brontos | can anyone help me? |
| 13:33:50 | PascalS | akawaka: http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/rom_upgrade_howto.shtml |
| 13:33:57 | PascalS | ibot help |
| 13:35:11 | akawaka | brontos: insmod usbdnet |
| 13:35:20 | PascalS | brontos: have you followed http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/linux_ethernet-over-usb-howto.shtml |
| 13:37:00 | brontos | PascalS: yes I have... |
| 13:37:27 | PascalS | do you have usb-[u/o]ohci loaded? |
| 13:37:40 | PascalS | brontos: cat /proc/modules |
| 13:37:48 | brontos | PascalS: yup |
| 13:38:28 | akawaka | do you have usbdnet loaded? |
| 13:38:40 | PascalS | brontos: and you did a 'make modules_install'? |
| 13:38:59 | brontos | yup |
| 13:39:01 | PascalS | akawaka: usb should autodetect that |
| 13:39:29 | brontos | usbdnet I am not sure if it is loaded. I followed those directions step by step |
| 13:39:38 | PascalS | try turn it on, _then_ put it on the cradle |
| 13:40:05 | brontos | same thing |
| 13:40:16 | PascalS | usbdnet should show up in '/proc/modules' if it is loaded. |
| 13:40:28 | akawaka | or lsmod |
| 13:40:33 | brontos | PascalS: I didn't see it in there |
| 13:41:08 | brontos | I am not sure why it isn't in there |
| 13:41:12 | PascalS | what does 'modprobe usbdnet' say? |
| 13:41:45 | brontos | when I boot my computer kudzu says 'SL Series...' has been removed if the zaurus is not on. |
| 13:42:11 | brontos | says it can't locate the module |
| 13:42:15 | PascalS | doesn't use kudzu for this. |
| 13:42:39 | PascalS | brontos: have your recompiled your own kernel or used an rpm? |
| 13:42:40 | brontos | I don't use kudzu either but I am just saying that it shows up |
| 13:43:05 | brontos | I made sure the kernel-source rpm was on the computer |
| 13:43:20 | brontos | did the patch and then make menuconfig |
| 13:43:57 | brontos | then did the cd /usr/src/linux && make clean dep modules modules_install. |
| 13:44:39 | PascalS | try to find usbdnet.o in /lib/modules/<kernelversion>/.... |
| 13:45:45 | brontos | it isn't in the dir |
| 13:46:02 | brontos | isn't that patch supposed to put it there? |
| 13:46:21 | PascalS | Then you did not correcty configure and build your kernel(modules) |
| 13:46:54 | brontos | I did just like that page on zaruszone said to do it... :( |
| 13:46:57 | brontos | hmmm |
| 13:47:19 | PascalS | _sure_? it is easy to forget one tiny thing. |
| 13:48:01 | brontos | I also used the usbdnet-Redhat-2.4.18.4 and I have 2.4.18.3 but I modified everything in the file from 2.4.28.4 to 2.4.28.3 do you think that could be the problem? |
| 13:48:36 | PascalS | You should not need to edit the patch. |
| 13:48:43 | brontos | I will double check but I did before I remade them becuase I didn't want to mess up |
| 13:49:12 | brontos | well it was trying to put things in places I didn't have... |
| 13:49:52 | PascalS | BTW, try doing a 'make xconfig' next time, it's easy to make mistakes in menuconfig. xconfig is more obvious. |
| 13:50:13 | PascalS | Hmm, then the patch was not the right one! |
| 13:50:29 | brontos | hmm ok |
| 13:51:36 | brontos | Where do I get the right patch then? that ruault.com/Zaurus/patches/ doesn't have one for 2.4.28.3 |
| 13:51:52 | brontos | should I use 2.4.18? |
| 13:52:05 | PascalS | 2.4.28.3 does not exists. |
| 13:52:14 | brontos | i meant 18 |
| 13:52:17 | PascalS | ok. |
| 13:52:30 | PascalS | 2.4.18-3 should work |
| 13:52:39 | PascalS | (that is the RH kernel, right? |
| 13:52:45 | brontos | but I didn't see 18-3 |
| 13:52:48 | brontos | right |
| 13:53:44 | brontos | Is there another site I should go to? |
| 13:53:58 | PascalS | Nope. |
| 13:54:21 | PascalS | Can you download and install redhat kernel 2.4.18-4? |
| 13:54:41 | brontos | hmmm ok |
| 13:55:03 | brontos | Man... I haven't ever upgraded a kernel... |
| 13:55:14 | PascalS | You have a modem or cable? |
| 13:55:16 | brontos | I like this it is forcing me to learn some other things |
| 13:55:21 | brontos | modem |
| 13:55:24 | PascalS | :( |
| 13:55:28 | brontos | its big isn't? |
| 13:55:33 | PascalS | That will be a long download. |
| 13:55:33 | brontos | ugh |
| 13:56:13 | PascalS | Yes. It is quite big, but you could first try the 2.4.18 patch, see if that applies cleanly. |
| 13:56:44 | brontos | ok |
| 13:56:51 | PascalS | The upgrade itself is rather painless, if you use the rpms. |
| 13:57:06 | brontos | I think I have tried it before and get something like find file to patch |
| 13:57:13 | brontos | oh ok |
| 13:57:15 | brontos | cool |
| 13:57:46 | PascalS | just a sec |
| 13:58:25 | brontos | k |
| 13:58:32 | PascalS | Did the other patch apply cleanly after you changed the paths? |
| 13:59:02 | brontos | yeah |
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| 14:13:48 | Piete | ibot slashdot |
| 14:16:18 | kergoth`zzz | hey |
| 14:16:33 | benmeyer | hey |
| 14:17:00 | Piete | yo kergoth :) |
| 14:17:14 | benmeyer | needs big ass lightnightning painting in cube: http://www.csh.rit.edu/~benjamin/gallery/photo.php?gallery=1999/Day%202%20At%20High%20School/&file=PIC00014.JPG |
| 14:17:33 | benmeyer | My high school physics classroom was filled with huge well done paintings |
| 14:17:39 | kergoth | hah, nice |
| 14:17:53 | Piete | cool :) |
| 14:18:17 | benmeyer | The entire back wall was of the solor system, and when you pulled down the shades it made a mural covering the entire side |
| 14:19:07 | benmeyer | ah, high school, pointless work |
| 14:19:19 | benmeyer | Nothing like learning things three times |
| 14:19:37 | kergoth | no kidding |
| 14:19:49 | benmeyer | thinks high school is really just to have the stupid kids catch up |
| 14:19:55 | kergoth | college teaches you it once, but still spends too damn much time on things |
| 14:20:09 | benmeyer | sense the "honor" classes mean squat sense you have to take them over in college |
| 14:20:46 | benmeyer | If I had gone to collage instead of my junoir high school year I would have learned the exact same thing |
| 14:20:51 | benmeyer | and had shitloads more fun |
| 14:20:52 | benmeyer | ! |
| 14:20:53 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 14:21:18 | numatrix | is back (gone 17:13:47) |
| 14:22:04 | | I'm a nuclear submarine under the polar ice cap and I need a Kleenex! |
| 14:22:04 | Piete | ibot be zippy |
| 14:22:13 | | Do you have exactly what I want in a plaid poindexter bar bat?? |
| 14:22:13 | Piete | ibot be zippy |
| 14:22:21 | benmeyer | http://www.csh.rit.edu/~benjamin/gallery/photo.php?gallery=2001/CSH/&file=10250026.JPG |
| 14:22:25 | benmeyer | Ping our soda machine |
| 14:22:28 | benmeyer | drink.csh.rit.edu |
| 14:22:40 | benmeyer | Spent freshman fall year wireing it |
| 14:22:43 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 14:22:47 | chouimat | morning |
| 14:23:07 | Piete | benmeyer: you mean ping -f it ? |
| 14:23:18 | Piete | :-p~ |
| 14:23:22 | benmeyer | :( |
| 14:23:38 | Piete | hey, i got an idea, why not post that link on slashdot? |
| 14:23:41 | benmeyer | you can actually tenet it |
| 14:23:51 | Piete | your gonna have some pretty warm sodas :-P |
| 14:23:53 | benmeyer | works like a smtp server |
| 14:23:59 | benmeyer | no it has a compressor in it |
| 14:24:02 | benmeyer | very cold |
| 14:24:09 | benmeyer | go ahead and post it to slashdot |
| 14:24:18 | Piete | heh cool :) |
| 14:24:28 | Piete | can you controll the machine with it? |
| 14:25:06 | benmeyer | yah |
| 14:25:09 | benmeyer | drop drinks |
| 14:25:13 | Piete | cool :) |
| 14:25:14 | benmeyer | stat |
| 14:25:20 | benmeyer | actually you can login and get the stats |
| 14:25:29 | Piete | anon? |
| 14:25:57 | benmeyer | telnet drink.csh.rit.edu 4242 |
| 14:26:03 | benmeyer | then send "stat" |
| 14:26:20 | benmeyer | 3 CherryCoke 60 1 12 |
| 14:26:33 | benmeyer | Slot #3, Soda Name, Price, sold, left |
| 14:26:51 | Piete | neat! |
| 14:26:54 | ljp_work | thats twisted |
| 14:27:06 | ljp_work | can ou root that machine? |
| 14:27:09 | akawaka | hah |
| 14:27:24 | benmeyer | http://www.csh.rit.edu/~benjamin/desktop/programs/megadrink/ |
| 14:27:29 | ljp_work | change the prices |
| 14:27:37 | Piete | lol! |
| 14:27:47 | benmeyer | you can change the prices, send code drops, time drops etc |
| 14:28:01 | benmeyer | i.e. delay drop of 30 seconds, walk there and have it drop just as you get there |
| 14:28:03 | ljp_work | make it talk back to customers |
| 14:28:21 | benmeyer | code drop would be walk there and hit certian keys in a row and it drops the soda |
| 14:28:48 | Piete | 'give me a sode please' <evil>'hello dave'</evil> |
| 14:29:11 | benmeyer | someone wrote a simon module to play simon with the soda machine lights when there was no code drops |
| 14:29:22 | benmeyer | the buttons |
| 14:29:27 | Piete | <evil>I'm sorry dave, you can't have one<evil> |
| 14:29:43 | benmeyer | http://www.csh.rit.edu/~benjamin/gallery/photo.php?gallery=2001/CSH/&file=10250038.JPG |
| 14:29:48 | benmeyer | Inside the machine ^ |
| 14:30:07 | Piete | so the machine's running bsd? |
| 14:30:10 | benmeyer | http://www.csh.rit.edu/~benjamin/gallery/photo.php?gallery=2001/CSH/&file=10250037.JPG |
| 14:30:14 | benmeyer | it used to |
| 14:30:22 | benmeyer | now it runs a tiny board |
| 14:30:24 | benmeyer | i.e. java |
| 14:30:41 | benmeyer | ran linux for a year |
| 14:30:47 | benmeyer | depended on who donated a laptop |
| 14:30:55 | Piete | ah |
| 14:31:11 | benmeyer | Back in the 80's we actually made a board ourselves for it |
| 14:31:22 | benmeyer | before my time |
| 14:31:37 | Piete | I wish I had a school like that... |
| 14:31:39 | Piete | sounds fun ;) |
| 14:31:40 | benmeyer | the house finally bought a dedicated board |
| 14:31:59 | benmeyer | http://www.csh.rit.edu/~benjamin/gallery/photo.php?gallery=2001/CSH/&file=10250056.JPG |
| 14:32:01 | benmeyer | ^ little drink |
| 14:32:12 | benmeyer | on the other end of the house |
| 14:32:27 | benmeyer | the third machine was gutted for an overclocking experiment |
| 14:32:54 | benmeyer | held chilled minieral oil as a 486 was overclocked |
| 14:33:55 | benmeyer | no house is complete without your own mame boxes |
| 14:33:56 | benmeyer | http://www.csh.rit.edu/~benjamin/gallery/photo.php?gallery=2001/CSH/&file=10250021.JPG |
| 14:34:30 | Piete | thinks he's gonna try out phoenix |
| 14:34:40 | benmeyer | using it right now |
| 14:34:42 | benmeyer | not bad |
| 14:34:48 | benmeyer | don't see much over konq though |
| 14:35:05 | Piete | kong? |
| 14:35:10 | benmeyer | konq |
| 14:35:13 | benmeyer | konquror |
| 14:35:14 | Piete | lol |
| 14:35:15 | Piete | sorry |
| 14:35:16 | tux_mike | phoenix is a good alternative on windows |
| 14:35:18 | Piete | ya |
| 14:35:19 | Piete | :) |
| 14:35:40 | Piete | I primarily use Opera and Moz over ehre |
| 14:35:46 | Piete | s/ehre/here |
| 14:36:17 | scanline | screenshot of the day: http://picogui.org/download/fluidity_freetype.png |
| 14:36:19 | Piete | heh, looks cool :) |
| 14:36:34 | Piete | scanline: duude :) awesome :) |
| 14:36:59 | scanline | Still lots of bugs to hammer out, but freetype on the zaurus definitely rocks :) |
| 14:37:15 | Piete | scanline: will it work with qtopia? |
| 14:37:18 | scanline | no |
| 14:37:34 | scanline | Qtopia could be modified to use freetype, but that's not what I'm working on |
| 14:37:51 | benmeyer | what are you working on? |
| 14:37:56 | scanline | picogui |
| 14:38:00 | benmeyer | ah yes |
| 14:38:11 | scanline | my pet project =) |
| 14:38:24 | Piete | hrmm :/ |
| 14:38:37 | Piete | meesa wants pretty fonts |
| 14:38:58 | Piete | cool, phoenix looks great :) |
| 14:39:05 | tux_mike | scan: how far does picogui go? is it winsys plus wm? |
| 14:39:13 | scanline | This freetype engine is running nice and fast too. only downside really besides the bugs is using an extra megabyte of storage for the fonts |
| 14:39:36 | scanline | tux_mike: it's everything really, from low-level graphics code to application management |
| 14:39:52 | tux_mike | does it provide some sort of IPC? |
| 14:39:53 | | well, picogui faq is at http://picogui.org/wiki/view/Main/FAQ |
| 14:39:53 | scanline | ibot: picogui faq? |
| 14:40:03 | scanline | tux_mike: yes |
| 14:40:07 | tux_mike | cool |
| 14:40:09 | Piete | scanline: is it a pain to get it to work on the Zaurus? can it run alongside qtopia? |
| 14:40:17 | tux_mike | widget set? |
| 14:40:27 | scanline | tux_mike: apps can send messages to each other, and support for high level IPC like clipboard and drag&drop is planned |
| 14:40:41 | tux_mike | cool |
| 14:40:45 | scanline | tux_mike: basically... but in picogui nearly everything is a widget, and widgets are on the server side |
| 14:40:56 | scanline | tux_mike: if you're familiar with fresco or QNX, the architecture is similar |
| 14:41:02 | tux_mike | hrm... |
| 14:41:14 | tux_mike | not familiar with them :) |
| 14:41:32 | Piete | damn!! phoenix rocks :) its everything good about moz, but its small and fast, and uses gtk themes :)) |
| 14:41:41 | tux_mike | C or C++? |
| 14:41:48 | scanline | There's a server that handles all rendering and widgets in one process, and clients communicate with it using high-level requests. The server always has enough info in memory to render the screen without any intervention from apps |
| 14:41:55 | scanline | tux_mike: server is in C, apps can be in any language |
| 14:42:11 | scanline | tux_mike: In that screenshot, the terminal and calculator are in C, and the text app is in python |
| 14:42:12 | tux_mike | cool |
| 14:42:19 | tux_mike | hm... |
| 14:42:51 | Piete | ohhhhh pretty!!!!!! http://www.picogui.org/scrshots/20021012_freetype.png |
| 14:43:01 | scanline | :) |
| 14:43:33 | Piete | damn that looks better than my desktop :-O |
| 14:43:38 | scanline | mine too :) |
| 14:44:19 | scanline | Damn.. ever since I whipped up this "Fluidity" theme the others don't get used so much :) |
| 14:44:57 | tux_mike | scan: how fast are graphics? |
| 14:45:20 | Piete | my bet is fast... |
| 14:45:21 | Piete | :) |
| 14:46:27 | Piete | shit, this is amazing... : http://www.picogui.org/sshotdetail.php?index=86 |
| 14:47:54 | scanline | tux_mike: Everything still needs optimizing, but in general it's very fast. Much snappier response than Qt on most things, and I've run picogui on some really low end hardware just fine |
| 14:48:36 | scanline | Piete: "Fun with Alpha Blending 101" :) |
| 14:51:28 | bipolar | kergoth`mtg: ping |
| 14:52:40 | scanline | ooh.. I hadn't tried the LCARS theme with alpha blending before |
| 14:53:01 | scanline | err, antialiasing I mean |
| 14:53:12 | scanline | I should get around to finishing those antialiased ellipses and lines |
| 14:55:06 | scanline | http://picogui.org/download/aa_lcars.png |
| 14:55:18 | scanline | hehe |
| 14:55:55 | chouimat | scanline: :) |
| 15:01:59 | scanline | chouimat: http://www.picogui.org/download/all_your_base.jpeg |
| 15:02:46 | chouimat | scanline: hehe |
| 15:06:07 | kergoth | bipolar: pong |
| 15:06:13 | scanline | wb kergoth |
| 15:06:20 | bipolar | kergoth: hiya. |
| 15:06:22 | kergoth | thanks |
| 15:06:25 | kergoth | meetings suck |
| 15:06:28 | kergoth | especially when half asleep |
| 15:06:44 | bipolar | kergoth: are you building kde beta2 on your debain box or do you have a source for packages? |
| 15:06:55 | kergoth | generally build it |
| 15:07:00 | kergoth | since beta1/2 packages arent avil yet |
| 15:07:09 | bipolar | kergoth: ahh. ok. |
| 15:07:25 | chouimat | kergoth: was working for the gov here for 3 months and we spend more time in meeting that doing any code |
| 15:07:27 | bipolar | kergoth: Do you have a build system, or just go thorugh the whole mess every time? |
| 15:08:17 | kergoth | bipolar: ask ibot about oz bk or oz snapshots |
| 15:08:29 | | oz bk is bk clone http://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/openzaurus .config; make oldconfig; make or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you don't want to use bk |
| 15:08:29 | bipolar | ibot: oz bk? |
| 15:08:46 | scanline | people actually use the snapshots? :) |
| 15:09:00 | | bipolar: what? |
| 15:09:00 | bipolar | ibot: oz snapshots |
| 15:09:05 | | i don't know, bipolar |
| 15:09:05 | bipolar | ibot: oz snapshots? |
| 15:09:11 | bipolar | er...ok |
| 15:09:15 | | OK, scanline. |
| 15:09:15 | scanline | ibot: oz snapshots are see "oz snapshot" |
| 15:09:27 | | i think oz snapshot is http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/snapshot/ or updated every 4 hours by Navi (scanline's server, not a person :) |
| 15:09:27 | bipolar | ibot: oz snapshot? |
| 15:09:32 | bipolar | hehe |
| 15:10:09 | bipolar | kergoth: I've decided to switch all my servers to Debain when I upgrade them. |
| 15:10:38 | | I'm QUIETLY reading the latest issue of "BOWLING WORLD" while my wife and two children stand QUIETLY BY ... |
| 15:10:38 | Piete | ibot: be zippy |
| 15:12:01 | | I request a weekend in Havana with Phil Silvers! |
| 15:12:01 | chouimat | ibot be zippy |
| 15:12:12 | | Concentrate on th'cute, li'l CARTOON GUYS! Remember the SERIAL NUMBERS!! Follow the WHIPPLE AVE. EXIA can of ASPARAGUS, 73 pigeons, some LIVE ammo, and a FROZEN DAQUIRI!! |
| 15:12:12 | scanline | ibot: yow |
| 15:12:21 | bipolar | finds himself wishing that KDE would integrate Openoffice and Mozilla into itself.... |
| 15:12:29 | | Do you guys know we just passed thru a BLACK HOLE in space? |
| 15:12:29 | chouimat | ibot be zippy |
| 15:13:04 | chouimat | bipolar: you don't like koffice? |
| 15:13:07 | scanline | bipolar: so it would take even longer to compile? |
| 15:13:11 | scanline | :) |
| 15:13:25 | bipolar | chouimat: it's not as good. |
| 15:13:33 | chouimat | bipolar: give them time |
| 15:13:52 | bipolar | scanline: yeah, well.... uh... |
| 15:14:51 | bipolar | chouimat: OpenOffice is more crossplatform. I'm switched EVERYONE in my office from MS to OO. |
| 15:15:37 | bipolar | chouimat: I guess the only thing I really want is printing system, addressbook, etc, integration. |
| 15:15:46 | noda | bipolar: Wow, sweet :). I tried to convince my office to switch, but spending $70000 just seemed more appealing somehow :) |
| 15:16:18 | kergoth | hugs openoffice.org |
| 15:16:27 | chouimat | bipolar: here we use FreeBSD,Linux,Winshit and all we wants |
| 15:16:29 | bipolar | noda: I work for the family business and we have about 50-60 employees. |
| 15:16:53 | bipolar | noda: it was a bit easier to convice my boss. :) |
| 15:17:26 | chouimat | bipolar: I just put the cvs server on qnx for testing purpose, need some numbers :) |
| 15:17:50 | bipolar | chouimat: well, I'd be happy if I just could use KDE's printing system in OO, thats the big one :) |
| 15:18:03 | chouimat | bipolar: daddy, I found a way to make you economise $$$$$$$ |
| 15:18:10 | chouimat | :) |
| 15:18:38 | chouimat | bipolar: you can't add kprinter to OO? |
| 15:18:56 | noda | bipolar: Heh :) |
| 15:19:10 | bipolar | chouimat: more like "I have a way to get away from having to upgrade every 2 years and sandardize on one file format for everyone" |
| 15:19:20 | bipolar | chouimat: is that possible? |
| 15:19:25 | Morkeleb | i have read mention of playing video on Z over the network - how is this possible? |
| 15:19:44 | chouimat | bipolar: don't know how OO print? it's use lpr? |
| 15:20:10 | bipolar | chouimat: I guess I just never dug deep enough.... |
| 15:20:57 | chouimat | bipolar: I used to work for my father co before he sells it (the Cable co law in canada is just stupid right now) |
| 15:25:12 | noda | Morkeleb: I think so, with opie-mediaplayer2 |
| 15:27:18 | Morkeleb | where to find and which formats does it support? how about audio? |
| 15:27:29 | noda | Just about anything xine can play :) |
| 15:27:33 | noda | Which is a hell of a lot. |
| 15:27:43 | noda | I *know* it can stream audio, not sure about streaming video. |
| 15:27:56 | Morkeleb | aha. ok. |
| 15:28:12 | Morkeleb | and which resource does it use? http? |
| 15:28:33 | Morkeleb | is samba possible? (how about samba outside the lan?) |
| 15:29:44 | noda | samba is possible. |
| 15:29:50 | noda | http is easy. |
| 15:30:46 | Morkeleb | where to find opie mediaplayer2 |
| 15:30:55 | | rumour has it op2 is opieplayer2, a mediaplayer which is currently in beta stage which will be able to play streaming mp3, ogg and MPEG4(DivX/XviD) movies (and many other formats). It is based mostly from the xine code. http://www.adamhooper.com:4242/zaurus/op2_howto.php |
| 15:30:55 | noda | ibot op2 |
| 15:31:40 | Morkeleb | thanx |
| 15:32:16 | Morkeleb | so far i only used Samba on a lan - is it possible over the internet? |
| 15:32:58 | noda | I imagine so, never done it. I like to keep my security holes as nonexistent as possible. |
| 15:33:08 | tux_mike | morkeleb: it's possible |
| 15:33:22 | tux_mike | but very very difficult and touch |
| 15:33:26 | tux_mike | touchy |
| 15:33:28 | tux_mike | brb |
| 15:33:29 | kergoth | yawns |
| 15:34:38 | tux_mike | you are best off doing a vpn for SMB support |
| 15:35:01 | noda | mmmmm, vpn. FreeS/WAN! :) |
| 15:35:07 | Morkeleb | is there a guide or howto on that issue tux_mike? what are difficulties with it? |
| 15:35:16 | kergoth | vtun works great too :) |
| 15:35:20 | tux_mike | not afaik, and yes |
| 15:35:30 | tux_mike | i'd use CIPE over the internet, personally |
| 15:35:32 | noda | rofl, frees/wan? There are probably tons of books. And none of them make configuration easy :P |
| 15:35:58 | Morkeleb | anything that is supported on the zaurus? ^-^ |
| 15:36:14 | tux_mike | there are freeS/wan drivers for the Z |
| 15:36:20 | Morkeleb | aha |
| 15:36:20 | tux_mike | not sure on the performance |
| 15:36:23 | noda | vtun works on the Z too, right? |
| 15:36:35 | tux_mike | not sure |
| 15:36:45 | ljp_work | sure |
| 15:36:46 | kergoth | noda: yep |
| 15:37:14 | noda | I've never used anything on the Z. I'm not that good at frees/wan either, only set it up to bridge three locations. |
| 15:37:21 | noda | (which it has faithfully done, with compression, for a few years now) |
| 15:37:37 | benmeyer | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=639 |
| 15:38:12 | noda | Hey, now that is a neat idea :) |
| 15:38:23 | noda | What kind of compression do you get with that? |
| 15:38:33 | scanline | hmm... not much point for apps in jffs2 though, as that's already compressed |
| 15:40:41 | benmeyer | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=639 |
| 15:40:45 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 15:41:28 | kolla | VPN and Zaurus.. anyone? |
| 15:42:26 | benmeyer | you really have to wonder though... |
| 15:42:53 | kolla | about time |
| 15:43:30 | numatrix | kolla: Unless the vpn in question is a cisco vpn concentrator. :-( |
| 15:43:41 | chouimat | wonders if that will work on BSD |
| 15:43:51 | kolla | numatrix: I suspect it is |
| 15:44:09 | kolla | benmeyer: has been wondering why it hasnt been done already.. |
| 15:44:20 | kolla | have |
| 15:44:49 | numatrix | kolla: It has been. |
| 15:44:54 | Lone | numatrix: Couldn't the Cisco modules be re-compiled for ARM, and just distributed as binary-only modules? |
| 15:45:00 | kolla | numatrix: on the Z |
| 15:45:08 | numatrix | Lone: yes, if you know someone at cisco willing to do it. :-) |
| 15:45:24 | kolla | numatrix: been doing for 15 years on amiga, and newtonOS comes with freeze/melt buildt in :) |
| 15:45:25 | numatrix | kolla: For cisco or freeswan? I might have gotten confused. |
| 15:45:39 | numatrix | kolla: Ahh; nevermind, I thought you were talking about vpn. |
| 15:45:45 | Lone | numatrix: I don't think the modules are arch specific, so the actual technical end might be simple., |
| 15:45:58 | kolla | numatrix: oh |
| 15:46:04 | Lone | numatrix: Its the distribution end that would suck. |
| 15:46:40 | numatrix | Lone: Right; unless someone has some good connections in cisco and convinces them to do it, I don't see it as happening. |
| 15:46:44 | kolla | numatrix: but well, might be freeswan compatible, I really dont know |
| 15:46:57 | kolla | all they say on the web pages here is "download this from cisco" |
| 15:47:02 | numatrix | kolla: Cisco's can be made to be freeswan compatible, but not in most configurations. |
| 15:47:04 | kolla | ofcourse nothing for linux/arm |
| 15:47:14 | kolla | ok |
| 15:47:29 | numatrix | kolla: Exactly; cisco has a linux client for x86, but no arm compiles currently. I've asked them before, and will continue to, but really don't expect it. |
| 15:47:42 | chouimat | got some problem here with BSD |
| 15:47:49 | chouimat | and cisco |
| 15:47:52 | Lone | numatrix: I'll have a nice chat with my Cisco CE... He likes little side projects. |
| 15:48:13 | kolla | numatrix: well, it's not just linux/arm.. got the same problem with linux/ppc and /m68k |
| 15:48:20 | kolla | and *BSD |
| 15:48:27 | kolla | and AmigaOS for that matter |
| 15:48:41 | numatrix | Lone: please do, the more pressure, the better. |
| 15:48:49 | chouimat | kolla: Cisco sucks! |
| 15:49:13 | Lone | choimat: Cisco makes nice routers, but they're a shitty software company. |
| 15:49:19 | kolla | yep |
| 15:49:48 | chouimat | Lone: I'm currently using some BSD boxes as routers |
| 15:50:22 | chouimat | easier to maintaint |
| 15:50:48 | Lone | chouimat: Thats cool... My company operates a nation-wide Tier 1 network. |
| 15:51:00 | Lone | chouimat: Not really an option for us. |
| 15:51:20 | kolla | benmeyer: why not just use a compressed filesystem? :) |
| 15:51:39 | brontos | Lone who do you work for if you do not mind me asking? |
| 15:52:30 | kergoth | benmeyer: ping |
| 15:52:57 | kergoth | benmeyer: wlanmodule works in networksetup, but when you hit OK it exits networksetup completely rather than returning to networksetup, and does not write the wireless.opts out. |
| 15:53:16 | benmeyer | interesting |
| 15:53:16 | benmeyer | ok |
| 15:53:24 | kolla | netsetup works ok here |
| 15:53:24 | kergoth | benmeyer: i'll look into it myself if you dont have time |
| 15:53:30 | kergoth | kolla: netWORKsetup |
| 15:53:35 | numatrix | kolla: New app. |
| 15:53:40 | kergoth | :) |
| 15:53:41 | benmeyer | more like I need to get opie on a z here |
| 15:53:42 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 15:53:44 | kolla | oh.. so it's supposed to WORK? :) |
| 15:54:04 | chouimat | kergoth: does the benmeyer apps support usb network? |
| 15:54:11 | kergoth | benmeyer: i'd prefer this for configuring wireless to the old one for the next oz release if we can get wlanmodule behaving, and disable profiles for now |
| 15:54:19 | kergoth | chouimat: yes |
| 15:55:16 | kergoth | benmeyer: found another bug :) |
| 15:55:38 | benmeyer | add any bugs to the TODO file |
| 15:55:41 | kergoth | benmeyer: usbd0 is pre-setup in interfaces with a hardcoded ip, but 'configure' on the inteface has dhcp selected. its not showing the parsed out config info for it fro interfaces |
| 15:55:44 | kergoth | k |
| 15:55:45 | benmeyer | I will try to work on it this afternoon |
| 15:55:55 | benmeyer | interesting |
| 15:55:58 | benmeyer | I wonder why |
| 15:56:11 | benmeyer | cat the file to me? |
| 15:56:23 | kolla | how's the pppd syntax again.. |
| 15:56:41 | kolla | I want to test it from shell with the irda dialup profile |
| 15:57:23 | kolla | chouimat: I have recieved positiv repons on the question on wether the wlan is freeswan compatible |
| 15:57:27 | benmeyer | odd, I will have to look at it |
| 15:57:37 | benmeyer | syntax look correct |
| 15:57:40 | chouimat | kolla: I don't have wlan yet |
| 15:57:52 | kolla | ok |
| 15:58:12 | chouimat | kolla: and probably won't have |
| 15:59:30 | kolla | I assume freeswan is not in oz either |
| 15:59:41 | chouimat | wonders why the previous sysadmin wrote that app in TCL |
| 16:02:22 | Lone | chouimat: Just talked to my Cisco CE. He's going to bridge in the UNIX VPN Client project leader this afternoon, to discus my concerns. |
| 16:04:25 | chouimat | Lone: currently debug an ipsec vpn BSD -> SSH sentinel |
| 16:05:17 | treke|laptop | kergoth: ooh. vim can do commnd completion :) |
| 16:05:24 | kergoth | treke|laptop: it can? |
| 16:05:26 | kergoth | nifty |
| 16:05:48 | treke|laptop | kergoth: yup. Setting it up for php right now. |
| 16:07:58 | benmeyer | wee |
| 16:08:03 | benmeyer | Just played KTouch |
| 16:08:07 | benmeyer | what is a good typing time? |
| 16:08:14 | benmeyer | speed I mean |
| 16:08:25 | mark | benmeyer: i get about 80-90 wpm |
| 16:08:30 | chouimat | benmeyer: like your new gui for kaudiocreator |
| 16:08:34 | benmeyer | Thanks |
| 16:08:44 | benmeyer | I was geting around 240wpm |
| 16:08:52 | benmeyer | with a 98% correctness |
| 16:09:02 | mark | benmeyer: erm, thats sorta world recordish level iirc |
| 16:09:05 | kolla | 240wpm?? |
| 16:09:05 | chouimat | benmeyer: good |
| 16:09:09 | benmeyer | haha I doubt it |
| 16:09:22 | benmeyer | hugs his kinesis keyboard |
| 16:09:32 | hardwire | heh |
| 16:09:41 | kolla | what did you type? a a a a a a a a a a a a a... ? :) |
| 16:09:44 | mark | hehe |
| 16:10:06 | benmeyer | zirconiums xvii xiv zealot.... |
| 16:10:07 | benmeyer | etc |
| 16:10:32 | benmeyer | the first level is ll and dd, but after level 3 or so then it is big words |
| 16:10:49 | benmeyer | stopped doing it after level 13 |
| 16:10:52 | chouimat | dam! 5 wpm :) |
| 16:11:05 | kolla | 4 words per sec is kinda fast I suspect |
| 16:11:20 | chouimat | fscking phone |
| 16:11:27 | treke|laptop | kergoth: oh this is sooo nice |
| 16:11:42 | kergoth | treke|laptop: how do you set it up? |
| 16:11:55 | treke|laptop | kergoth: http://www.vim.org/tip_view.php?tip_id=91 |
| 16:14:35 | treke|laptop | kergoth: doesnt do stuff like realize the foo is a pointer to a QImage and look up members of QImage, but still handy |
| 16:17:33 | chouimat | noda: MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! |
| 16:17:38 | noda | Moo! |
| 16:19:46 | noda | chouimat: What's new? |
| 16:20:11 | chouimat | noda: bien mes voisins sont partie sans barre la porte |
| 16:20:39 | noda | chouimat: Ooh :) |
| 16:20:53 | chouimat | noda: they're weird |
| 16:21:56 | benmeyer | kergoth: what is the wlan tool? |
| 16:22:04 | kergoth | benmeyer: ? |
| 16:22:05 | benmeyer | for wireless extensions |
| 16:22:13 | kergoth | which one? |
| 16:22:14 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:22:15 | kergoth | iwconfig |
| 16:22:17 | kergoth | iwpriv |
| 16:22:17 | benmeyer | to tell if a device is 802.11 or not |
| 16:22:22 | kergoth | iwconfig wlan0 will do it |
| 16:22:24 | kergoth | check exit status |
| 16:22:27 | kergoth | real easy test |
| 16:22:35 | kergoth | was going to add it myself if you didnt :) |
| 16:22:53 | benmeyer | hmm what is the package name? |
| 16:23:38 | benmeyer | wireless-tools? |
| 16:24:35 | kergoth | yep |
| 16:25:43 | chouimat | benmeyer: any screenshot of your networksetup app? |
| 16:27:19 | benmeyer | yah.... one sec |
| 16:27:54 | benmeyer | bla iwconfig doesn't return -1 if you do iwconfig eth0 |
| 16:28:13 | kergoth | ? |
| 16:28:21 | kergoth | even if the device isnt a wlan device? |
| 16:28:24 | benmeyer | when eth0 isn't a wlan device |
| 16:28:30 | kergoth | btw in shell you cant return negative numbers |
| 16:28:36 | kergoth | zero is success, nonzero is failure |
| 16:28:37 | benmeyer | I mean 1 |
| 16:28:42 | benmeyer | non-zero |
| 16:28:47 | kergoth | gotcha |
| 16:28:48 | kergoth | hrm |
| 16:29:02 | kergoth | check for non-null output? if it outputs "" you know it failed |
| 16:29:30 | benmeyer | http://www.csh.rit.edu/~benjamin/ns/ |
| 16:29:31 | kergoth | or rather, you know it isnt a device that it can deal with |
| 16:29:42 | kergoth | i wonder if theres a way to check whether a device supports wireless extensions in /proc? |
| 16:29:48 | benmeyer | eth0 no wireless extensions. |
| 16:29:52 | benmeyer | that is the output |
| 16:29:52 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 16:29:55 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:30:11 | benmeyer | chouimat: |
| 16:30:11 | benmeyer | eth0 no wireless extensions. |
| 16:30:22 | benmeyer | chouimat: http://www.csh.rit.edu/~benjamin/ns/ |
| 16:30:29 | chouimat | benmeyer: very nice |
| 16:32:08 | benmeyer | if I run echo $? will it return echo's return val or the last app? |
| 16:32:29 | benmeyer | bla iwlist also always ruturns 0 |
| 16:32:37 | kergoth | that sucks |
| 16:32:43 | benmeyer | I would simply submit a patch |
| 16:32:54 | benmeyer | sense that is pretty much a bug |
| 16:32:59 | kergoth | to make the exit codes useful? yeah |
| 16:33:02 | benmeyer | yah |
| 16:33:04 | kergoth | right now its useless |
| 16:33:07 | kergoth | for scripts |
| 16:33:12 | | bigboss was last seen on #zaurus 22 hours, 7 minutes and 32 seconds ago, saying: hehe [Tue Oct 15 12:25:40 2002] |
| 16:33:12 | erikd | ibot seen bigboss |
| 16:33:20 | benmeyer | jt@hpl.hp.com |
| 16:33:22 | erikd | hmm, at least i didn't miss him this time |
| 16:33:26 | benmeyer | seems to be the maintainer |
| 16:34:01 | erikd | does anyone know the device name of a usb mass storage device in linux? the device was detected but i can't find the name :) |
| 16:34:10 | kergoth | erikd: its as scsi device |
| 16:34:19 | kergoth | erikd: naming depends on what scsi devices you have in the system |
| 16:34:25 | kergoth | erikd: if you dont have any, its probably sda1 |
| 16:34:36 | benmeyer | erikd: it would be a scsi device |
| 16:34:41 | erikd | ah, ok |
| 16:34:43 | erikd | thanks |
| 16:36:40 | kolla | tries to put up his laptop to do some ethernet<->wlan bridging |
| 16:38:10 | hardwire | heheh |
| 16:38:17 | hardwire | kolla what wifi card do you have? |
| 16:38:25 | chouimat | kolla: just booted AROS in vmware |
| 16:39:23 | kolla | chouimat: cute, got it on the laptop here |
| 16:40:03 | kolla | hardwire: smc ez-connect on the Z and cisco 350 on the laptop |
| 16:41:53 | hardwire | heh |
| 16:42:05 | hardwire | do the 350s have an AP mode? |
| 16:42:29 | hardwire | with ap bridging ? |
| 16:42:31 | hardwire | if not |
| 16:42:34 | hardwire | here is my suggesting |
| 16:42:37 | hardwire | check out parprouted |
| 16:42:40 | BigBoss | howdy |
| 16:42:45 | treke|laptop | howdy |
| 16:42:47 | tux_mike | hey bb |
| 16:43:14 | erikd | bigboss! |
| 16:43:15 | erikd | finally! |
| 16:43:31 | BigBoss | what's up erikd? |
| 16:44:03 | chouimat | hi BigBoss |
| 16:44:17 | BigBoss | howdy ChanServ |
| 16:44:19 | BigBoss | oops |
| 16:44:52 | benmeyer | kergoth: /proc/net/wireless |
| 16:45:03 | chouimat | BigBoss: :) |
| 16:45:45 | erikd | my cf reader doesn't like me :( |
| 16:46:04 | BigBoss | did you get it drunk first? |
| 16:46:15 | erikd | hehe |
| 16:46:17 | erikd | not yet |
| 16:46:42 | erikd | it's not showing up as a device, but it shows in /proc/bus/usb/devices |
| 16:47:04 | chouimat | erikd: remember a yes of a drunk person is a no in court |
| 16:48:14 | erikd | hmm... |
| 16:48:27 | erikd | makes note not to mount his drunken cf reader |
| 16:48:58 | ljp_work | but mounting drunken wife is ok |
| 16:49:10 | chouimat | lol |
| 16:50:00 | erikd | bleh.. has anyone gotten the pny usb cf reader working in linux? |
| 16:50:07 | erikd | gentoo specifically |
| 16:50:15 | benmeyer | kergoth: around? |
| 16:50:22 | chouimat | erikd: multislot? |
| 16:50:23 | benmeyer | you removed wlansetup.pro |
| 16:50:27 | kergoth | benmeyer: for a few minutes, yeah |
| 16:50:31 | kergoth | benmeyer: its wlan.pro now to match dir naming |
| 16:50:34 | erikd | no, just a single cf card |
| 16:50:34 | kergoth | benmeyer: so ./configure works |
| 16:50:48 | benmeyer | ah ok |
| 16:50:50 | kergoth | benmeyer: so just add the dirs to the root makefile and it builds |
| 16:50:50 | chouimat | erikd: got a sandisk SDDR-31 working here |
| 16:50:51 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:51:00 | benmeyer | been reading the debian packages stuff |
| 16:51:08 | kergoth | they document it well |
| 16:51:13 | kergoth | we need a policy manual for ipkg |
| 16:51:14 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:51:18 | chouimat | erikd: when you plug it what demsg give you? |
| 16:51:21 | benmeyer | it probably wont be too hard to write a script to makde debian source packages from opie's cvs |
| 16:51:36 | benmeyer | kergoth: it is called the debian police manual |
| 16:51:41 | kergoth | benmeyer: nah itd be pretty easy actually. just create control and rules and the like |
| 16:51:45 | kergoth | benmeyer: yeah, i know i've read it too |
| 16:51:46 | erikd | usb.c: USB disconnect on device 4 |
| 16:51:46 | erikd | hub.c: USB new device connect on bus1/2, assigned device number 5 |
| 16:51:46 | erikd | usb.c: USB device 5 (vend/prod 0x5e3/0x700) is not claimed by any active driver. |
| 16:51:47 | benmeyer | it is the exact same thing |
| 16:51:54 | chouimat | kergoth: we need docs. period. |
| 16:51:58 | kergoth | chouimat: true that |
| 16:51:59 | erikd | but it shows up as a mass storage device in /proc |
| 16:52:06 | kergoth | erikd: modprobe usb-storage |
| 16:52:06 | benmeyer | hehe, why doesn't oz move to deb? |
| 16:52:10 | benmeyer | dump ipk? |
| 16:52:16 | kergoth | benmeyer: dpkg is too large for an embedded system |
| 16:52:24 | chouimat | erikd: ok plug a CF card in it |
| 16:52:26 | benmeyer | so make dpkg-lite |
| 16:52:34 | kergoth | benmeyer: theres a project to do that already |
| 16:52:35 | benmeyer | but have it be the same in other words |
| 16:52:38 | benmeyer | ok |
| 16:52:44 | kergoth | benmeyer: and when its solid, i'll likely think about switching |
| 16:52:44 | benmeyer | so eventually everything will be debs? |
| 16:52:45 | erikd | chouimat: ok |
| 16:52:54 | sjohnson | benmeyer: ipk's are basically .deb's now |
| 16:52:55 | kergoth | benmeyer: unless jamey suddenly fixes all the ipkg bugs :) |
| 16:52:55 | chouimat | erikd: and do dmesg again |
| 16:53:00 | benmeyer | hahah |
| 16:53:22 | kergoth | makes a note to pester jamey |
| 16:53:35 | erikd | i don't think my dmesg is working correctly :) |
| 16:54:32 | chouimat | erikd: what is the output? |
| 16:55:12 | erikd | it's the same as before |
| 16:55:22 | erikd | uses metalog ... |
| 16:55:28 | benmeyer | kergoth: the wireless tools guy said to submit a patch |
| 16:55:30 | erikd | so maybe it hasn't flushed its cache yet |
| 16:55:32 | benmeyer | for the return bug |
| 16:55:36 | benmeyer | and he will incorperate it |
| 16:55:42 | kergoth | benmeyer: woot |
| 16:55:45 | kergoth | benmeyer: :) |
| 16:55:46 | benmeyer | Can you do that? |
| 16:55:52 | benmeyer | http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/Tools.html |
| 16:55:59 | benmeyer | I will work on the rest of networksetup |
| 16:56:09 | kergoth | benmeyer: yeah, i'll take care of it |
| 16:56:29 | benmeyer | Jean Tourrilhes <jt@bougret.hpl.hp.com> |
| 16:56:32 | benmeyer | is his e-mail |
| 16:56:59 | erikd | relizes he doesn't like metalog much |
| 16:57:04 | erikd | realizes* |
| 17:01:27 | erikd | gives up on his cf reader |
| 17:06:34 | kergoth | benmeyer: we need an icon too :) |
| 17:07:15 | chouimat | back |
| 17:07:36 | chouimat | erikd: does your cf reader work now? |
| 17:08:49 | chouimat | erikd: do you have cdrecord install? |
| 17:10:16 | erikd | no and yes, i have it installed |
| 17:10:23 | erikd | well, it works on red hat 8 |
| 17:10:26 | erikd | i just tried it there |
| 17:10:50 | chouimat | erikd: do a cdrecord -scanbus on gentoo |
| 17:11:10 | chouimat | erikd: I'm using gentoo here and my CF reader work |
| 17:11:14 | erikd | ah |
| 17:11:16 | erikd | tries |
| 17:11:28 | erikd | nothing |
| 17:11:29 | erikd | =/ |
| 17:11:34 | erikd | hmm |
| 17:11:43 | erikd | i might not have generic scsi in my kernel |
| 17:11:43 | kergoth | is usb-storage loaded? |
| 17:11:52 | kergoth | modprobe sg for that |
| 17:11:58 | kergoth | (generic scsi) |
| 17:11:58 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:12:49 | chouimat | erikd: do you see something in /dev/scsi? |
| 17:13:02 | erikd | chouimat: just my cdrom drives |
| 17:13:10 | erikd | tries loading the modules kergoth said |
| 17:13:10 | kergoth | *ahem* |
| 17:13:13 | kergoth | is usb-storage loaded? |
| 17:13:14 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:13:32 | erikd | it wasn't |
| 17:13:37 | erikd | i just loaded sg and usb-storage |
| 17:13:40 | erikd | tries cf again |
| 17:13:57 | chouimat | erikd: should see /dev/scsi/host1 now |
| 17:14:21 | kolla | heh.. usb storage.. with the intention of using the Z as a usb disk? :) |
| 17:14:29 | erikd | i have a /dev/scsi/host2 |
| 17:14:54 | erikd | there it is |
| 17:14:59 | erikd | tries mounting |
| 17:15:32 | erikd | BAH |
| 17:15:39 | erikd | forgot to compile in vfat :( |
| 17:15:45 | erikd | smacks forehead |
| 17:15:52 | kergoth | not even as a module? |
| 17:15:53 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:16:15 | kolla | speaking of... |
| 17:16:20 | kolla | where's ext3? |
| 17:16:31 | kergoth | ? |
| 17:16:32 | kergoth | where? |
| 17:16:33 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:16:44 | erikd | well, the last 3-4 times i installed linux i forgot to back up my .config for the kernel. so i'm still getting it back to where it was :) |
| 17:17:20 | kolla | well, formatted my SD card yesterday and thought.. "hey, now I can probably use ext3" so I had a look in /proc/filesystems, but.. no ext3 :) |
| 17:17:30 | erikd | i do have reiserfs, xfs and ext3 compiled in, though |
| 17:18:01 | kolla | erikd: you know you can back it up inside the kernel itself? |
| 17:18:18 | kergoth | kolla: /proc/filesystems only includes items compiled in monolithically, btw. |
| 17:18:20 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:18:51 | kergoth | brb |
| 17:18:57 | kolla | kergoth: I know, but I didnt find any modules either, besides.. ext3 support shouldnt be as module |
| 17:18:57 | erikd | kolla: well, i didn't back up the kernels either |
| 17:19:05 | kolla | erikd: oh :) |
| 17:19:08 | erikd | :) |
| 17:19:15 | erikd | time to head off to work |
| 17:19:18 | erikd | bb in about 30 |
| 17:19:20 | kergoth | generally loads ext3 as a module with no problems |
| 17:19:22 | kergoth | brb |
| 17:19:28 | kolla | kergoth: if you load a fs module, it will show in /proc/filesystems |
| 17:20:51 | kolla | I would have thought that ext3 would be preferable over ext2 on a PDA |
| 17:21:32 | kergoth | kolla: yes, it will show once its loaded |
| 17:22:18 | kolla | but there arent any modules to load here :) |
| 17:23:05 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:23:10 | kergoth | okay okay i'll check our config |
| 17:23:21 | numatrix|lunch | is away: I'm not here. |
| 17:23:31 | numatrix | is back (gone 00:00:02) |
| 17:24:08 | chouimat | numatrix: wow that was fast |
| 17:24:18 | kergoth | he's a quick eater |
| 17:24:18 | numatrix | is quick |
| 17:24:34 | numatrix | I can never remember if I set away or just changed my nick. :-) |
| 17:24:47 | chouimat | numatrix: away |
| 17:57:08 | | it has been said that zsi is http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ and you can search zsi right now by typing 'ibot search zsi for <searchtext>' or 'ibot show recent zsi' |
| 17:57:08 | BigBoss | ibot zsi |
| 17:57:38 | | Something failed in connecting to the ZSI web server. Try again later. |
| 17:57:38 | BigBoss | ibot search zsi for screenshot |
| 17:59:59 | | Blind 1.0.0 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=627 |
| 18:00:00 | | busybox 0.60.4 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=566 |
| 18:00:01 | | busybox_0.60.3 0.60.3 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=167 |
| 18:00:02 | | 3 of 9 shown. See all at http://killefiz.de/zaurus/search.php?q=screenshot |
| 18:00:02 | ciaolinux | ibot search zsi for screenshot |
| 18:00:09 | chouimat | BigBoss: got something for you on my www server |
| 18:00:13 | | well, feed is a package repository. See http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds, http://www.zauruszone.com/feed, http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/unstable/, or http://www.zauruii.com/zfi |
| 18:00:13 | ciaolinux | ibot: feed |
| 18:01:14 | BigBoss | chouimat: show me :) |
| 18:01:33 | chouimat | BigBoss: http://ulyx.homeunix.org:12000/ogg |
| 18:03:12 | chouimat | BigBoss: I love the bass player |
| 18:03:40 | BigBoss | in a biblical way? :) |
| 18:03:54 | chouimat | BigBoss: like |
| 18:04:12 | chouimat | BigBoss: in French aime=love and like |
| 18:04:15 | BigBoss | I've heard of these guys a lot, but never listened |
| 18:04:35 | chouimat | BigBoss: maybe you will say WOW |
| 18:04:53 | BigBoss | i hope so :) |
| 18:06:55 | chouimat | BigBoss: currently ripping some Theory in Pratice |
| 18:07:53 | BigBoss | chouimat: do you have any Savatage from Magellan album? |
| 18:08:39 | BigBoss | anyone here with a network connection on their Zaurus want to test a new application? |
| 18:08:47 | chouimat | BigBoss: only have Gutter Ballet and the last one, my ex-wife keeped the others (Winter and Magellan) |
| 18:09:23 | BigBoss | damn her |
| 18:09:37 | BigBoss | I've never heard the band, but I've heard good things about some of their albums |
| 18:09:57 | chouimat | I also have the one with all with hall of the mountain king |
| 18:10:10 | chouimat | BigBoss: Savatage? |
| 18:10:25 | BigBoss | yes |
| 18:10:42 | chouimat | BigBoss: know trans-siberian orchestra? |
| 18:11:16 | kolla | dovregubbens hall |
| 18:11:25 | BigBoss | I know it's kind of a 'christmas' version of Savatage |
| 18:11:28 | BigBoss | never hard them either |
| 18:11:43 | chouimat | BigBoss: more like a Musical |
| 18:12:46 | chouimat | BigBoss: did you get Spiral? |
| 18:13:02 | BigBoss | just finished downloading, gonna listen now - was just finishing Ryo Okumuto's solo album |
| 18:13:16 | chouimat | BigBoss: and? |
| 18:13:37 | BigBoss | it's a good album |
| 18:13:50 | BigBoss | takes a couple listens to appreciate it, but there is some rocking stuff on there |
| 18:13:56 | BigBoss | what label is spiral with? |
| 18:13:59 | chouimat | BigBoss: very keyboard oriented? |
| 18:14:15 | chouimat | BigBoss: sensory |
| 18:14:16 | BigBoss | it's really song oriented, but there is some ripping hammond organ |
| 18:14:29 | chouimat | BigBoss: like Spiral? |
| 18:14:30 | BigBoss | yea, this bass player is all over, sounds like a fretless bass |
| 18:14:41 | chouimat | BigBoss: very jazzy |
| 18:15:11 | chouimat | BigBoss: not according to the album photo |
| 18:15:19 | BigBoss | Dave Meros from SB plays on Ryo's album, his Rickenbaker is right in your face - it's cool |
| 18:15:48 | chouimat | BigBoss: Spiral bass just use a standard 4 four strings |
| 18:16:32 | chouimat | BigBoss: trying to find a good Savatage song |
| 18:16:34 | BigBoss | is it fretless? it has that tone |
| 18:16:40 | BigBoss | like Bunny Brunel |
| 18:16:49 | chouimat | BigBoss: not fretless |
| 18:16:54 | BigBoss | A friend of mine played in a band with Bunny years ago |
| 18:17:03 | BigBoss | I use to hang out, that guy was just a god on bass |
| 18:17:34 | chouimat | BigBoss: don't know him |
| 18:17:49 | BigBoss | oh man, more of a jazz guy, but try to find his solo album Ivanhoe, it's amazing |
| 18:18:13 | BigBoss | is this a P-Bass? it's bugging me because it sounds so familiar tone wise |
| 18:18:23 | chouimat | BigBoss: quite like Bozzio Levin Steven |
| 18:18:29 | chouimat | BigBoss: don't know |
| 18:18:51 | BigBoss | I liked the 2nd album they did a lot, the first one just didn't grab me |
| 18:18:57 | BigBoss | so SA is from norway? |
| 18:19:24 | chouimat | BigBoss: yes |
| 18:19:46 | BigBoss | hey, they are in the same town as Trolltech :) |
| 18:19:52 | BigBoss | yea, that was a grabber tune |
| 18:20:05 | BigBoss | i gotta find their label and get on their distro list |
| 18:20:22 | chouimat | BigBoss: all the album is like that |
| 18:20:59 | chouimat | BigBoss: try www.lasercd.com |
| 18:21:16 | ciaolinux | did anyone try this: http://www.colorgraphic.co.uk/voyager.htm? |
| 18:23:00 | kolla | ciaolinux: according to what I heard here earlier "that's not possible" |
| 18:23:09 | kolla | but you never know |
| 18:24:04 | chouimat | BigBoss: update the ogg directory |
| 18:24:31 | ciaolinux | kolla: why not? not supported or no way to make it work? |
| 18:24:51 | BigBoss | checking |
| 18:25:36 | chouimat | BigBoss: theory is very heavy |
| 18:26:07 | BigBoss | cool |
| 18:28:01 | erikd | which gui ftp client would you guys recommend for linux? (free :) ) |
| 18:28:26 | chouimat | erikd: I use ncftp |
| 18:28:41 | erikd | does that support wildcards? |
| 18:28:43 | chouimat | erikd: konqueror :) |
| 18:28:43 | erikd | never tried |
| 18:28:44 | inomine | standard command line ftp rocks |
| 18:28:54 | erikd | i want to do get *.php |
| 18:29:00 | erikd | or something like that |
| 18:29:06 | chouimat | erikd: mget |
| 18:29:13 | erikd | k |
| 18:29:19 | Neo|Work | erikd: lftp is the best client by far |
| 18:29:24 | ciaolinux | erikd: before that 'prompt' might be useful |
| 18:29:36 | Neo|Work | no gui but it's powerful as a shell |
| 18:29:39 | DaJoker | if you want gui, kbear is pretty nice |
| 18:29:41 | inomine | the religious wars have begun... |
| 18:29:49 | kolla | ciaolinux: the last I heard was that the CF couldnt do stuff like that :) |
| 18:29:56 | Neo|Work | lftp also handles http, https, sftp, ftp-like UI over ssh... |
| 18:30:24 | chouimat | BigBoss: Savataga have 17 albums :) |
| 18:30:50 | ciaolinux | kolla: so it doesn't work at all? |
| 18:31:34 | BigBoss | 17? geeze |
| 18:31:38 | | chouimat: sorry... |
| 18:31:38 | chouimat | ibot: start a flamewar |
| 18:31:49 | BigBoss | ncftp is the best, even if it is command line |
| 18:31:51 | chouimat | BigBoss: yup |
| 18:32:19 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: ncftp is lame compared to lftp |
| 18:32:33 | Neo|Work | let me put it this way, before lftp I used ncftp |
| 18:32:33 | kolla | ciaolinux: I assume it does.. I was just _told_ earlire here that no such thing exists :) |
| 18:32:39 | kolla | earlier |
| 18:32:48 | Neo|Work | lftp also has job control so you start a download, put it in the background and go on browsing |
| 18:32:52 | chouimat | as kergorth said " I have too much blood in my caffeine stream" |
| 18:33:03 | Neo|Work | and when you exit the client the download(s) continues in the background |
| 18:33:08 | BigBoss | NeoTron: lftp is gui? |
| 18:33:22 | Neo|Work | no |
| 18:33:24 | Neo|Work | command line |
| 18:34:18 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: being able to "ftp" via an ssh login is just so very cool |
| 18:34:26 | kolla | zsh has buildt in ftp support |
| 18:35:02 | Neo|Work | kolla: how does it work? |
| 18:35:17 | chouimat | does emerge lftp |
| 18:35:21 | BigBoss | Neo|Work: I'll check it out then, sounds pretty nifty |
| 18:35:46 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: be sure to check out 'lftp -u <user> fish://some.ssh.host.com/' |
| 18:36:11 | BigBoss | why? |
| 18:36:14 | Neo|Work | and you can replace fish (ssh) with http, https, ftp, sftp.. |
| 18:36:19 | Neo|Work | because it's awesome |
| 18:36:22 | BigBoss | chouimat: holy crap Theory is VERY heavy |
| 18:36:25 | Neo|Work | download files over ssh |
| 18:36:38 | kolla | man zshzftpsys :) |
| 18:36:39 | BigBoss | oh, sorry, thought you had some specific url there |
| 18:36:40 | Neo|Work | like sftp but not requiring a special server and with a good interface |
| 18:36:45 | chouimat | BigBoss: did you heard the solo? |
| 18:37:09 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: nope, just the 'fish' protocol |
| 18:37:26 | BigBoss | chouimat: just came on |
| 18:37:38 | BigBoss | my god they are fast |
| 18:37:48 | chouimat | Neo|Work: lftp can replace scp? |
| 18:37:52 | Neo|Work | chouimat: yes |
| 18:37:57 | BigBoss | that drummer must be on stimulants |
| 18:38:06 | chouimat | BigBoss: hehe |
| 18:38:12 | Neo|Work | it doesn't replace it per se but it gives an ftp-like interface to file transfers over ssh |
| 18:40:05 | chouimat | BigBoss: it's not the fastest song of the album :) |
| 18:40:19 | BigBoss | my gosh |
| 18:40:29 | Twiun | evening guys |
| 18:40:50 | chouimat | BigBoss: sweden |
| 18:41:26 | chouimat | BigBoss: updated again |
| 18:43:01 | BigBoss | pulling |
| 18:43:29 | chouimat | is debugging a network management script written in a odd mix or TCL/TK, AWK,PERL, and someother thing he don't know |
| 18:43:49 | BigBoss | yikes |
| 18:43:53 | chouimat | BigBoss: liked Theory? |
| 18:44:14 | BigBoss | chouimat: I was impressed by it, but it's a bit heavy for me to listen to more than a couple songs in a row |
| 18:44:22 | BigBoss | i think Rikkus would love it |
| 18:44:38 | chouimat | BigBoss: in reality or jokes? |
| 18:44:50 | chouimat | ok the other things is csh |
| 18:44:52 | BigBoss | in reality - he likes heavy dark sounding stuff |
| 18:45:26 | chouimat | BigBoss: tell him to find Gorguts |
| 18:47:44 | BigBoss | the savatage was pretty cool |
| 18:47:59 | chouimat | BigBoss: as I said more like a musical |
| 18:51:55 | chouimat | BigBoss: tell rikkus to listen to some: Cryptopsy, Gorguts and Kataklysm |
| 18:53:06 | BigBoss | ok |
| 18:53:18 | BigBoss | but not till after he finishes tkcMail |
| 18:53:41 | chouimat | BigBoss: hehe, I ripping some sample of them :) |
| 18:56:14 | chouimat | like spaghetti code in TCL |
| 18:58:50 | benmeyer | Does OZ's password thingy utilize's linux password file? |
| 18:58:54 | ljp_work | hmm I never got no Lineo calculator or "Put Linux Anywhere" tshirt with the Lineo's Embedix SDK |
| 18:58:59 | benmeyer | or still the 4096 key junk? |
| 18:59:58 | ljp_work | BZFlag: do I get a tshirt? ;) |
| 19:00:07 | ljp_work | ben: it uses pam |
| 19:00:22 | chouimat | I need some coffee |
| 19:01:28 | kergoth | benmeyer: what password thingy? |
| 19:01:30 | kergoth | hey BZFlag |
| 19:01:48 | chouimat | kergoth: still alive! |
| 19:01:49 | benmeyer | on sharps rom it simply saves it to a file |
| 19:02:06 | benmeyer | some stupid way that is easily hackable |
| 19:02:09 | kergoth | benmeyer: you mean the 'security' passcode thing? the #? |
| 19:02:16 | benmeyer | yah |
| 19:02:21 | ljp_work | oh |
| 19:02:25 | kergoth | benmeyer: thats not secure at all. i hope we switch to using opie-login for a lockout |
| 19:02:33 | ljp_work | I thought you were talking about the login |
| 19:02:36 | benmeyer | ok, that is what I was curius about |
| 19:02:50 | benmeyer | on suspend it automaticly launches the login? |
| 19:02:51 | kergoth | opie-login doesnt use pam in OZ |
| 19:02:58 | benmeyer | ? |
| 19:03:01 | ljp_work | hmm |
| 19:03:02 | benmeyer | what does it use? |
| 19:03:05 | kergoth | its using standard unix auth methods |
| 19:03:09 | kergoth | getpwent |
| 19:03:12 | kergoth | and friend |
| 19:03:12 | kergoth | s |
| 19:03:17 | benmeyer | ok |
| 19:03:35 | ljp_work | I thought the login used PAM |
| 19:03:44 | kergoth | ljp_work: it does. i disable it |
| 19:03:53 | kergoth | ljp_work: its just a define .. -DNO_USEPAM or some shit |
| 19:04:04 | treke|laptop | anyone in here used qtjim? |
| 19:04:25 | chouimat | BigBoss: update again :) |
| 19:04:29 | ljp_work | you dont like pam, then? |
| 19:04:39 | n57673711 | BigBoss: I'm happily using your program Jabber |
| 19:05:22 | kergoth | ljp_work: no need for it.. its overkill on an embedded system |
| 19:05:29 | kergoth | pam is great |
| 19:05:34 | kergoth | but i wont use it on a pda |
| 19:05:34 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:05:59 | sjborch | Sorry, my nickname was in use. |
| 19:06:00 | BigBoss | n576...: glad to har it :) |
| 19:06:07 | ljp_work | ya, I never really understood why they added that anyway |
| 19:06:58 | sjborch | BigBoss: which 802.11 card are you using? |
| 19:07:23 | BigBoss | linksys at the moment |
| 19:07:38 | BigBoss | anyone here got a network connection on their Z that wants to help test something real quick? |
| 19:08:01 | sjborch | I'm plugged in right now. |
| 19:08:03 | chouimat | BigBoss: testing what? |
| 19:08:40 | BigBoss | whiteboard application |
| 19:08:52 | BigBoss | i want to make sure it's right, all my guys are gone for the night |
| 19:08:56 | sjborch | for the Z? |
| 19:09:09 | BigBoss | yes |
| 19:09:14 | treke|laptop | nm. figured it out. You have to get the user to accept your request to add to buddy list :) |
| 19:09:16 | chouimat | BigBoss: stop hiring guys in europe :) |
| 19:09:23 | BigBoss | oh well :) |
| 19:09:27 | sjborch | :) |
| 19:09:59 | treke|laptop | BigBoss: you let them go home for the night? |
| 19:10:23 | treke|laptop | I thought that was the whole benefit of eastern european labor. |
| 19:10:33 | chouimat | treke|laptop: he must have big plane fee :) |
| 19:10:54 | sjborch | bigboss: i'm off to lunch, but will be back later. |
| 19:11:18 | BigBoss | actually we just hire the right people for the job, and then we get lots of personal referrals, it's just an accident that most are in eastern europe |
| 19:11:26 | BigBoss | we have a lot in england and a few in the states |
| 19:11:41 | chouimat | BigBoss: I may test it but I must fix that fscinkg script before |
| 19:11:53 | erikd | submits a resume |
| 19:12:11 | chouimat | search his resume |
| 19:12:27 | BigBoss | ok |
| 19:14:36 | scanline | is back (gone 06:15:57) |
| 19:14:45 | scanline | is away: Dave... my mind is going... |
| 19:16:46 | chouimat | justs realized that he doesn't have an english version of his resume :( |
| 19:20:03 | chouimat | ARGGGGGGGG |
| 19:20:37 | | http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ |
| 19:20:37 | BZFlag | ibot logs |
| 19:20:51 | | BZFlag: what? |
| 19:20:51 | BZFlag | ibot zaurus logs |
| 19:21:07 | BZFlag | zaurus logs is http://ibot.rikers.org/zaurus/ |
| 19:22:18 | chouimat | wonders if rewriting the script from scratch would not be easier |
| 19:23:23 | Cloudchaser | hiya everyone |
| 19:23:52 | kergoth | hi cloud |
| 19:23:53 | kergoth | how goes it? |
| 19:23:59 | chouimat | hi cc |
| 19:24:18 | Cloudchaser | going ok |
| 19:27:17 | Cloudchaser | how are you doing? |
| 19:27:28 | Cloudchaser | i'm watching the lawyer for arthur anderson |
| 19:27:37 | Cloudchaser | 5 years probation 500k fine |
| 19:28:01 | Cloudchaser | and he's showing no remorse whatsoever, just saying now the company goes under and blames the government for it |
| 19:28:08 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: just that? |
| 19:28:38 | Cloudchaser | saying they told the government that if they were indicted it would mean the end of the company |
| 19:28:47 | Cloudchaser | and innocent people would lose their jbs |
| 19:28:58 | Cloudchaser | and that wasn't the "right" way to deal with it |
| 19:29:54 | chouimat | come on they fscked a lot of people |
| 19:30:25 | Cloudchaser | he said "we feel no remorse because we didn't destroy documents to keep them from the sec" |
| 19:30:54 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: ya! right! but they falsified document |
| 19:30:56 | Cloudchaser | the 500k is a slap on the wrist |
| 19:31:05 | Cloudchaser | and they destroyed documents |
| 19:31:11 | Cloudchaser | but for some other reason i guess |
| 19:31:19 | Cloudchaser | so therefore, they feel no remorse |
| 19:31:34 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: I would refuse the right to work for 25 yrs |
| 19:31:49 | chouimat | add them where it fit |
| 19:32:48 | benmeyer | kergoth: have you tried objprelinking or gcc 3.1 with prelinking? |
| 19:36:37 | kergoth | benmeyer: no. harlekin has, says the benefits are noticable |
| 19:36:51 | benmeyer | sweet |
| 19:37:05 | chouimat | kergoth: what a prelinked OZ? |
| 19:37:19 | benmeyer | when do you plan on moving oz to gcc 3.2 and QT3? |
| 19:37:24 | chouimat | BigBoss: ping |
| 19:37:53 | kergoth | benmeyer: not soon. but i'll build a oz initrd.bin built that way for those willing to switch |
| 19:37:58 | kergoth | benmeyer: will give them both options |
| 19:39:05 | BigBoss | chouimat: pong |
| 19:39:14 | BigBoss | cool, I'm war chalking my neighborhood |
| 19:39:29 | BigBoss | I'm having some problems with my wireless lan, but I have 2 neighbors that are bleeding out to the sidewalk :) |
| 19:39:31 | chouimat | BigBoss: did you download all the ogg |
| 19:39:37 | BigBoss | yes |
| 19:39:41 | chouimat | BigBoss: hehe |
| 19:39:48 | chouimat | BigBoss: even Gorguts ? |
| 19:40:16 | BigBoss | oh, no I didn't get the new ones |
| 19:40:17 | BigBoss | hang on |
| 19:42:16 | benmeyer | when I went to Boston I parked in front of my friends house whom was away for the week to get access |
| 19:42:19 | benmeyer | was quite cool |
| 19:42:34 | benmeyer | funny thing was he had wep enabled, but his neighbor didn't! |
| 19:48:21 | benmeyer | Bla, Qtella needs work |
| 19:48:26 | benmeyer | a lot of work |
| 19:48:40 | chouimat | benmeyer: true |
| 19:49:37 | benmeyer | took me all day to download a stupid song |
| 19:49:47 | benmeyer | it became almost a quest |
| 19:50:21 | ljp_work | try wget ;) |
| 19:50:35 | benmeyer | har har |
| 19:50:38 | chouimat | benmeyer: It doesn't work anymore here |
| 19:50:51 | benmeyer | what doesn't? |
| 19:51:13 | chouimat | benmeyer: qtella |
| 19:51:19 | benmeyer | upgrade |
| 19:51:33 | benmeyer | kergoth: is telnet enabled by default on oz? |
| 19:51:41 | benmeyer | and is nfs enabled? |
| 19:51:53 | kergoth | no, and no |
| 19:51:55 | chouimat | benmeyer: I just installed kazaa and Morpheus on win2k :( |
| 19:52:01 | kergoth | nfs client will work fine |
| 19:52:09 | kergoth | we dont include portmapper or a nfs daemon |
| 19:52:12 | benmeyer | nfs client |
| 19:52:21 | kergoth | client is just a matter of mounting |
| 19:52:24 | benmeyer | enable telnet via the same way as on sz? |
| 19:52:25 | kergoth | should work |
| 19:52:26 | kergoth | i havent tested it |
| 19:52:31 | kergoth | telnet server or client? |
| 19:52:34 | benmeyer | That is how I develop |
| 19:52:37 | kergoth | OZ doesnt have a telnet server. at all. |
| 19:52:38 | benmeyer | telnet and then nfs moutn |
| 19:52:41 | benmeyer | wait you have ssh |
| 19:52:42 | kergoth | use ssh |
| 19:52:42 | benmeyer | doh |
| 19:52:43 | kergoth | :) |
| 19:53:41 | ljp_work | telnet is for people that dont know any better :) |
| 19:54:19 | chouimat | that telnet discussion remind me something |
| 19:55:33 | ljp_work | not to start telnet server? |
| 19:55:42 | chouimat | ljp_work: worse |
| 19:55:58 | ciaolinux | not to use win2k |
| 19:58:20 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:58:24 | chouimat | ljp_work: when I was in university (the CS network admins (the windows guys)) just found that something was on let said 192.168.2.211, and they spend 2 weeks try to find what was on that ip. Then the unix sysadmin found out that the telnet port was open. So he justs login and found it was a HP print server in one of the teacher labs |
| 19:58:40 | kergoth | it took them 2 weeks? |
| 19:58:41 | kergoth | lol |
| 19:58:56 | ljp_work | heh 2 weeks |
| 19:59:08 | chouimat | kergoth: yes. they try every computer and appliance in the dep |
| 19:59:33 | kergoth | thats pathetic |
| 19:59:42 | chouimat | kergoth: after 2 weeks they asked the unix sysadmin :) took him 3 minutes |
| 20:00:01 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:00:08 | ljp_work | someone needs to write a daemon that says, "this machine is at..." some location.. like in a wall or where ever |
| 20:00:31 | ljp_work | gpl coords |
| 20:00:35 | ljp_work | err |
| 20:00:38 | ljp_work | not gpl |
| 20:00:40 | kergoth | gpl coords? |
| 20:00:42 | kergoth | lol |
| 20:00:45 | chouimat | those sames sysadmin, spend a day with chronometer just to see which printer (dot matrix) was the fastest with win2k |
| 20:00:46 | ljp_work | heh |
| 20:01:08 | ljp_work | hehe |
| 20:01:47 | ljp_work | note to self: gps != gpl |
| 20:02:32 | chouimat | ljp_work: and we students (well the unix geeks) have to pass behind them just to get working computers in the labs |
| 20:03:22 | chouimat | gots a lot of those stories |
| 20:03:23 | benmeyer | Do I have to do anything to enable ssh on oz? |
| 20:03:29 | kergoth | no |
| 20:03:36 | kergoth | its running with generated host keys out of the box |
| 20:03:42 | ljp_work | cool, star trek game |
| 20:04:01 | benmeyer | bla, it is just hanging |
| 20:04:10 | ljp_work | one thing you might want to do is run passwd |
| 20:04:24 | kergoth | benmeyer: -v -v -v |
| 20:24:01 | Harlekin | hi * |
| 20:28:57 | ljp_work | hi |
| 20:33:40 | benmeyer | reflashes his z with sr |
| 20:34:00 | kergoth | sr? |
| 20:34:05 | kergoth | sharp rom, gotcha |
| 20:34:06 | benmeyer | Sharp's ROM |
| 20:34:06 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:34:13 | benmeyer | can't ftp, can't ssh, can't reset |
| 20:34:24 | benmeyer | sorry, but that is a bit screwed up for mem |
| 20:35:22 | kergoth | weird |
| 20:35:54 | benmeyer | can't even upgrade packages |
| 20:37:09 | benmeyer | Why are you waiting for Nov for a feature frezze? Go ahead a do it now :-D |
| 20:37:54 | ljp_work | too many things changing at the moment in opie |
| 20:39:54 | Harlekin | benmeyer: i dont think that opie is your problem |
| 20:39:59 | Harlekin | "cant ftp" etc |
| 20:40:42 | Bones3D | hmm |
| 20:43:49 | Twiun | here's a funny one... http://adorphuye.com/files/hmm_1.mpg |
| 20:43:51 | benmeyer | I will work on it from sharp's roms for now |
| 20:45:21 | kergoth | benmeyer: #openzaurus, btw |
| 20:46:23 | ljp_work | but watch out, they harrass people |
| 20:46:41 | Harlekin | ? |
| 20:46:49 | ljp_work | in #openzaurus :) |
| 20:46:53 | Harlekin | who |
| 20:46:58 | ljp_work | 'they' |
| 20:47:14 | ljp_work | :D |
| 20:48:03 | benmeyer | Harlekin: I can't ftp, because when I tried I got a message saying someone was trying to FTP and my ONLY option was to deny |
| 20:48:09 | benmeyer | Does anyoen else see that a retareded? |
| 20:48:32 | kergoth | benmeyer: you used the wrong password |
| 20:48:40 | numatrix | ljp_work: yeah, I hear 'they' are bastards. |
| 20:48:41 | kergoth | benmeyer: the pass is rootme, which is what qtopia desktop sends |
| 20:49:15 | benmeyer | that I relized, but at that point I had already denied it |
| 20:49:25 | kergoth | oh, and it caches its info about the host |
| 20:49:25 | kergoth | right |
| 20:49:29 | kergoth | so it doesnt prompt again |
| 20:49:42 | kergoth | ask harlekin how to handle that |
| 20:49:53 | kergoth | theres gotta be a way to change your existing deny/accept settings |
| 20:50:05 | ciaolinux | benmeyer: i can't ftp to a sharp rom |
| 20:50:08 | Harlekin | benmeyer: ah, you try to cheat |
| 20:50:18 | Harlekin | kergoth: we should disable that "ftp" in launcher |
| 20:50:21 | Harlekin | to dangerous |
| 20:50:23 | Harlekin | people use it |
| 20:50:24 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 20:50:35 | ljp_work | ftp in launcher? |
| 20:50:51 | ljp_work | you mean 4242? |
| 20:50:53 | kergoth | yeah, the launcher's ftp server |
| 20:50:53 | Harlekin | yes |
| 20:50:53 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:51:00 | Harlekin | kergoth: thats _not_ a ftp server |
| 20:51:12 | kergoth | well, it doesnt even comply with the ftp rfcs |
| 20:51:14 | kergoth | so limited |
| 20:51:16 | kolla | hehe |
| 20:51:21 | kolla | VNC server on the C64 :) |
| 20:51:23 | ljp_work | but then there's no sync |
| 20:51:36 | kergoth | ljp_work: user other file transfer methods for sync. maybe plugin |
| 20:51:43 | kergoth | ljp_work: think scp ... or ftp to a normal ftp daemon |
| 20:51:50 | kergoth | s/user/use/ |
| 20:51:56 | ljp_work | but we have no control over qtopiadesktop |
| 20:51:57 | kergoth | eh Harlekin ? |
| 20:52:11 | kergoth | ljp_work: well for qtopia desktop, you'd need a ftp server on 4242 |
| 20:52:19 | kergoth | ljp_work: you could use a normal ftp server, not launcher for that |
| 20:52:23 | kergoth | i'd think anyway |
| 20:52:38 | ljp_work | there's special functions to handle data exchange |
| 20:52:46 | kergoth | ? |
| 20:52:52 | ljp_work | in launcher |
| 20:53:00 | | Bovine: huh? |
| 20:53:00 | Bovine | ibot restore original ROM |
| 20:53:04 | ljp_work | transferserver |
| 20:53:14 | | Bovine: excuse me? |
| 20:53:14 | Bovine | ibot Zaurus ROM |
| 20:53:20 | Bovine | heh |
| 20:53:37 | kergoth | ljp_work: what i'm saying is, you could made the launcher aspect plugin'able |
| 20:53:39 | Bovine | ok, Is it possible to restore the original Zaurus ROM - I've been using OZ |
| 20:53:47 | kergoth | Bovine: yep |
| 20:54:06 | Shayde | 'lo folks. |
| 20:54:07 | Bovine | kergoth: great, any instructions somewhere? :) |
| 20:54:17 | Twiun | hiya Shayde |
| 20:54:23 | Bones3D | http://www.myzaurus.com/ROMupdate4.asp |
| 20:54:33 | kergoth | Bovine: download ospack. put it on cf. flash with the same procedure you used to flash oz. remember to remove zImage and initrd.bin |
| 20:54:52 | kolla | *spit*.. asp.. |
| 20:54:56 | Shayde | is there a functional streaming audio function for the Z? i'm listening to mp3's on my microdrive, but i have 30+ gig worth of mp3's on the NFS / Samba server. can i listen to 'em without downloading? (yes, i have wireless :) |
| 20:55:20 | Bovine | ahh, didn't think it would be that simple :) |
| 20:55:21 | Bovine | thanks |
| 20:55:37 | Bovine | any word on the next OZ release? |
| 20:55:38 | Bovine | ducks |
| 20:55:38 | kergoth | Shayde: opieplayer2 can play off icecast streams and the like |
| 20:55:39 | Bovine | :P |
| 20:55:43 | kergoth | Bovine: /j #openzaurus |
| 20:55:51 | Shayde | hmm. |
| 20:56:03 | Shayde | idont have icecast set up. well i do, but its cumbersome and i haven't fiddled with it in ages. |
| 20:56:10 | Shayde | wouldn't mind being able to listen to some of the online sites though. |
| 20:56:12 | kergoth | fiddle away |
| 20:56:29 | Shayde | :) |
| 20:56:46 | Shayde | will opieplayer work on the sharp roms? i haven't gone OZ yet. |
| 20:57:21 | benmeyer | kergoth: found the segfault |
| 20:57:29 | ljp_work | shayde: yes |
| 20:57:31 | benmeyer | someone changed my design of the wlan config |
| 20:57:39 | benmeyer | passes around a config |
| 20:57:40 | Shayde | hms |
| 20:57:42 | benmeyer | how stupid |
| 20:57:48 | Shayde | zsis. |
| 20:57:54 | kergoth | benmeyer: passes around a config? huh? |
| 20:57:57 | kergoth | is confused |
| 20:58:05 | benmeyer | the constructor required a Config() |
| 20:58:11 | benmeyer | which I made, but not a pointer |
| 20:58:29 | benmeyer | thus later on exit is tried to reference that Config and died |
| 20:58:42 | benmeyer | so it is a memory leak for the time being |
| 20:59:16 | kergoth | benmeyer: er, thats odd. i dont think i did that. the only chagnes i did to wlansetup were to alter the wireless.opts text parsing code. |
| 20:59:40 | kergoth | as it made a cuple assumptions and certain config files made it go ECK! |
| 20:59:41 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:59:51 | benmeyer | yah, that was my bad |
| 20:59:56 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:00:00 | benmeyer | I remmeber thinking of them when I drove home that day |
| 21:00:06 | kergoth | not a prob, didnt take long to revamp the parsing |
| 21:00:12 | kergoth | its still not optimal, but what the hell |
| 21:00:18 | kergoth | at least it works :) |
| 21:00:24 | benmeyer | update |
| 21:00:28 | benmeyer | no segfault now |
| 21:00:41 | kergoth | benmeyer: thanks |
| 21:00:58 | benmeyer | kergoth can you cat me that interfaces file again? |
| 21:01:07 | kergoth | benmeyer: yeah, hold |
| 21:01:09 | kergoth | .. |
| 21:01:13 | kolla | can I safely remove the opie-login thing? |
| 21:01:27 | kolla | I cant find a way to go to console mode properly |
| 21:01:28 | kergoth | kolla: yep, itll work fine without it if you doont need multiuser |
| 21:01:40 | kergoth | kolla: itll just spawn opie directly |
| 21:01:42 | ciaolinux | kergoth: does multiuser work now? |
| 21:01:45 | kolla | would nice if it worked, but as it is.. |
| 21:01:57 | ciaolinux | kergoth: mine doesn't |
| 21:02:21 | kolla | the keyboard layout get messed up if I select "quit" from opie-login menu |
| 21:02:24 | Twiun | benmeyer: Hey ben... do you know if Sharp's a Sun licensee? |
| 21:02:24 | kergoth | ciaolinux: multiuser works fine, if you do the right things. |
| 21:02:30 | kergoth | kolla: yeah, i noticed.. not sure whats up with that |
| 21:02:36 | ciaolinux | kergoth: what are the right things? ;-) |
| 21:02:39 | kergoth | ciaolinux: i havent looked into it recently |
| 21:02:41 | kolla | ok, I'll simply remove the package for now |
| 21:02:41 | benmeyer | Twiun: why would Sharp be a Sun licensee? |
| 21:02:45 | kergoth | ciaolinux: when i have a chance, i'll do it and docuemtn it |
| 21:02:49 | benmeyer | Java is through insignia |
| 21:02:51 | ciaolinux | kergoth: great |
| 21:02:57 | Twiun | benmeyer: god yeah... d'oh |
| 21:02:58 | benmeyer | Twiun: not that I know |
| 21:02:59 | kolla | if I can find a way to get in now ... uhmf |
| 21:03:11 | Twiun | benmeyer: /me tears his hair out |
| 21:03:15 | Twiun | lol |
| 21:03:16 | Shayde | huh. which opie mediaplayer2 ipk should i get? arm.ipk, classic_rom_arm.ipk, or retail_rom_arm.ipk? |
| 21:03:30 | wParam | hey, has anyone seen the source to that blink app on ZSI? (THe one that supposedly turns off the screen) |
| 21:03:38 | kergoth | Shayde: what rom are you using, is the obvious quesiton for one to ask here. .:) |
| 21:03:45 | kergoth | wParam: ljp has the code |
| 21:03:54 | Twiun | benmeyer: oh well... nevermind then - I'll just have to hope the Sun guys think by bug is serious enough to fix before the public release of their J2ME vm |
| 21:04:02 | Shayde | Info says 'ROM Version 2.37' |
| 21:04:22 | ljp_work | wParam: you mean Blind? yes its at his web site |
| 21:04:25 | kolla | classic and retail is the same I guess |
| 21:04:34 | kergoth | Shayde: classic or retail, dunno which |
| 21:04:37 | Shayde | k |
| 21:04:41 | Shayde | its pretty new |
| 21:05:39 | wParam | oh yeah, heh, it is called blind |
| 21:05:44 | ljp_work | wParam: just handles both /dev/fb0 and /dev/fl |
| 21:06:27 | wParam | aah, here we go. his site wasn't responding a few minutes ago |
| 21:06:57 | benmeyer | kergoth: you said that it got usbd0 wrong? |
| 21:07:03 | benmeyer | it gets it right here |
| 21:07:08 | wParam | neat, thanks. I was wondering if this was even possible. It will be good for car mp3 player |
| 21:07:15 | kergoth | benmeyer: yep, configure on it showed dhcp checked, and nothing filled iin.. same as an unconfigured interface |
| 21:07:28 | benmeyer | update |
| 21:07:29 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 21:07:39 | kergoth | k :) |
| 21:07:59 | benmeyer | me goes home for dinner |
| 21:08:00 | benmeyer | night |
| 21:08:06 | ljp_work | wParam: ya, I was going to add screen blanking to opie player2, but never did get it working correctly, cause I was only handling /dev/fd0, and not both that and frontlight |
| 21:08:08 | kergoth | night ben |
| 21:08:36 | Harlekin | ljp_work: fix zaurus kernel |
| 21:08:40 | Harlekin | -) |
| 21:08:44 | ljp_work | hahaha |
| 21:08:46 | Shayde | oh FUCK ME |
| 21:08:58 | Shayde | you'd think an opie goddamned developer could set his goddamned mime types correctly |
| 21:09:10 | Shayde | watches his Opera screen on the Z fill up with garbage. |
| 21:09:10 | kergoth | Shayde: whats wrong with the mime types? |
| 21:09:13 | ljp_work | I'll have to test screenblank in op2 to see if it works on zaurus |
| 21:09:19 | kergoth | Shayde: oh, on a web server, gotcha |
| 21:09:24 | Shayde | http://arachni.kiwi.uni-hamburg.de/~harlekin/op2/ |
| 21:11:56 | Shayde | grumpgrumpgrumps. |
| 21:12:03 | Harlekin | Shayde: grow up |
| 21:12:16 | Shayde | grumpgrumpgrump. :) |
| 21:12:26 | Harlekin | if youre not able to webbrowse right |
| 21:12:36 | kolla | hm.. is there a way to send the Z in suspend when it's in console mode? |
| 21:12:49 | Shayde | ooo. sorry mister scary geek! i must be a 14 year old kiddie who doesn't know how to click a link! boo hoo! |
| 21:12:52 | hobbs | kolla: "apm -s" |
| 21:13:07 | Harlekin | Shayde: me too |
| 21:14:19 | Shayde | whee. opie-mediaplayer....ipk.txt |
| 21:14:30 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:14:46 | kergoth | Shayde: wget is your friend |
| 21:14:51 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:14:54 | Harlekin | [x] i dont know what an ipk file is |
| 21:15:23 | Shayde | yah, i'll wget it. that seems to be apache's default mode. annoying. |
| 21:15:24 | chouimat | kergoth: so was newssucks for some news groups :) |
| 21:15:31 | erikd | i would be able to use op2 on the sharp rom, right? |
| 21:15:35 | kolla | hm.. |
| 21:15:46 | kergoth | erikd: if you use the classic or retail ipk yeeah |
| 21:15:53 | kergoth | Harlekin: btw, whats the diff between classic and retail ipks? |
| 21:15:54 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:15:55 | kolla | isnt the first app key "ctrl" in console mode? |
| 21:16:09 | ljp_work | kergoth: ipkg |
| 21:16:18 | ljp_work | oh.. hmm |
| 21:16:27 | Harlekin | kergoth: not sure |
| 21:16:29 | bipolar_away | is away: I went home |
| 21:16:34 | chouimat | kergoth: one is the classic one and the other is the retail one |
| 21:16:41 | kergoth | smacks chouimat |
| 21:16:42 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:16:45 | chouimat | ouch |
| 21:16:48 | Harlekin | kergoth: if it would not be so crashy right now id put up some new |
| 21:16:49 | erikd | kergoth: k |
| 21:17:09 | erikd | lubs his z with the 128MB cf |
| 21:17:09 | Harlekin | all packages are same files |
| 21:17:18 | Harlekin | just some are for the ancient ipkg on sharp rom |
| 21:17:21 | erikd | i use it as an mp3 player on the way to/from work :) |
| 21:17:32 | Shayde | hey, has anyone ever gotten the framebuffer VNC server working on the Z? mine just starts and terminates immediately, either from Qtopia or from bash. :-/ |
| 21:17:37 | kolla | feh.. got a script running and I cannt kill it :P |
| 21:17:46 | kergoth | Shayde: works flawless here in both sharp and oz when i use it |
| 21:17:49 | kolla | cant find anything that sends ctrl |
| 21:17:50 | erikd | what does the non-retail/classic one have that the retail/classic ones don't? |
| 21:18:01 | kergoth | erikd: classic is the old ipk format |
| 21:18:03 | Shayde | dang, kerg. :-/ |
| 21:18:11 | kergoth | erikd: old versions of ipkg dont support the new format |
| 21:18:16 | erikd | shayde: install zlib |
| 21:18:22 | erikd | kergoth: gotcha |
| 21:18:27 | Shayde | dang. |
| 21:18:30 | Shayde | i have zlib. |
| 21:18:31 | erikd | does it use libopie? |
| 21:18:37 | Harlekin | erikd: yes |
| 21:18:44 | erikd | where do i get that? :) |
| 21:18:51 | Harlekin | good question |
| 21:18:52 | Shayde | dang, and in other news, opeplayer2: error while loading shared libraryes: libxine.so.0: cannot load shared object file: no such file or directory |
| 21:18:59 | kergoth | libopie in old ipk format? hmm |
| 21:18:59 | Shayde | (typos are mine :) |
| 21:19:06 | wParam | I had heard that the VNC serrver only ever worked under openzaurus |
| 21:19:11 | kergoth | wParam: thats wrong. |
| 21:19:14 | Harlekin | [x] i want to install some codecs too |
| 21:19:21 | kergoth | wParam: works flawless under sharp as well |
| 21:19:24 | hobbs | wParam: that couldn't be. |
| 21:19:27 | hobbs | wParam: I use it all the time. |
| 21:19:28 | ljp_work | shayde: you need the xine codes |
| 21:19:30 | kergoth | smacks Harlekin with a [x] |
| 21:19:32 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:19:35 | Shayde | apparently :) |
| 21:19:47 | Shayde | oh, i see them. /me slurps |
| 21:20:02 | ljp_work | [x] Harlekin needs a smack |
| 21:20:06 | wParam | hmm. I've never gotten it to work either. It always says "Qsocket disconnected" or something for remote connections, or it displays with REALLY odd colors if i use the local x vnc server |
| 21:20:08 | Shayde | AHHH! dead battery! damned world is against me today. |
| 21:20:21 | Shayde | wParam: i don't even get that far. just start/immediate exit |
| 21:20:24 | Harlekin | ljp_work: ? |
| 21:20:29 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:20:34 | chouimat | smacks kergoth to remind him to update buildroot |
| 21:20:35 | ljp_work | :D |
| 21:20:41 | kergoth | [x] harlekin uses [x]'s too much :P |
| 21:20:46 | kergoth | chouimat: okay okay ;) |
| 21:20:46 | Harlekin | send ljp_work a "how to indent code right" manual |
| 21:20:47 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 21:20:55 | Shayde | so what's with the [x]? |
| 21:20:58 | Harlekin | [x] me likes x |
| 21:21:11 | kergoth | Shayde: its just a filled in checkbox |
| 21:21:15 | oGMo | kergoth: you do any kernel debugging? |
| 21:21:15 | ljp_work | I indent correctly, its YOU guys that have some weird idea of indents ;) |
| 21:21:21 | kergoth | oGMo: yep. whats up |
| 21:21:23 | oGMo | or drivers |
| 21:21:28 | kergoth | oGMo: that too |
| 21:21:29 | Shayde | sits on kergoth |
| 21:21:32 | kergoth | oGMo: though i havent in a while |
| 21:21:44 | kergoth | stabs Shayde in the ass with his throwing knife |
| 21:21:50 | chouimat | given Shayde and kergoth some privacy |
| 21:21:51 | oGMo | kergoth: i'm wondering how you go about it, i'm trying to fix this alsa driver, and commenting out and rebooting is... time consuming |
| 21:22:02 | Shayde | those are for -throwing- silly! |
| 21:22:14 | oGMo | i've never done real kernel work before |
| 21:22:24 | kergoth | oGMo: build it as a module, then you can test without rebooting |
| 21:22:33 | kergoth | oGMo: printk is generally the debugging method of choice |
| 21:22:46 | kergoth | oGMo: UML is great if you're not doing hardware level stuff |
| 21:22:49 | erikd | so... can i install the new ipkg on the sharp rom? :) |
| 21:22:57 | oGMo | kergoth: yeah, it is, except the reboot part comes from the driver-solid-locks-the-box bug ;) |
| 21:22:59 | kergoth | oGMo: and the kernel debugger works if you're into that kind of thing |
| 21:23:02 | kergoth | oGMo: haha |
| 21:23:07 | hobbs | the trick to kernel hacking is knowing which parts you can screw with without breaking everything, and which you shouldn't touch, because you're clueless. :) |
| 21:23:33 | chouimat | thinks he would need to smacks kergoth harder |
| 21:23:41 | chouimat | ;) |
| 21:23:49 | oGMo | kergoth: i was thinking uml, but this is a sound driver, and while i don't think the bug is in the hardware part, i'm not sure and i don't know if it'd work anyway |
| 21:23:57 | oGMo | hobbs: hehe |
| 21:24:10 | kergoth | oGMo: yep. uml doesnt help if you're dealing with hardware, generally |
| 21:24:33 | oGMo | i believe i've found what area the bug is in, but it's a pita dealing with |
| 21:24:50 | hobbs | I'm only a little kernel-savvy. But I did write one patch that got into -ac. >:) |
| 21:24:51 | oGMo | kergoth: yeah figured ;/ |
| 21:24:53 | kergoth | printk is your friend :) |
| 21:24:59 | oGMo | hobbs: cool ;) |
| 21:25:10 | oGMo | kergoth: those get written synchronously right? |
| 21:25:14 | kergoth | or kgdb |
| 21:25:17 | hobbs | It's... TEH EVIL MORSE CODE PATCH. >:) |
| 21:25:17 | oGMo | hrm |
| 21:25:27 | oGMo | hobbs: haha, you did that? |
| 21:25:38 | kergoth | oGMo: its in the mainline kernel tree nowadays (2.5 anyway) |
| 21:25:39 | hobbs | that's me. My 15 minutes of fame. :) |
| 21:25:40 | oGMo | that was funny :) |
| 21:25:49 | oGMo | kergoth: hrmm |
| 21:25:59 | Harlekin | ljp_work: btw, saw some funny comments from you today |
| 21:26:11 | chouimat | search a bigger stick to smacks kergoth |
| 21:26:17 | hobbs | for a while, there was actually a little bit of serious conversation -- some people thought it was actually useful. 'magine that. |
| 21:26:27 | oGMo | hobbs: it might be |
| 21:28:11 | ljp_work | harlekin: funny? me? how so? |
| 21:28:21 | ljp_work | heh ya, I'm in a funny mood |
| 21:28:48 | Harlekin | ljp_work: "If you where a woman, i would .. i would marry you" (Lorn Potter, speaking about QT) |
| 21:29:09 | kergoth | lol |
| 21:29:11 | ljp_work | no... thats not correct |
| 21:29:16 | kergoth | that from that pamphlet? |
| 21:29:28 | Harlekin | kergoth: that was on a large poster on TT booth |
| 21:29:29 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 21:29:30 | ljp_work | I said, "If you were a woman, I'd take you out for dinner and a movie" |
| 21:29:42 | ljp_work | ya.. they used my quotes :) |
| 21:29:46 | chouimat | that would help QT sells |
| 21:30:18 | kergoth | ibot message for benmeyer: have you decided how to handle interfaces that dont exist yet? like ones you add, usbd for example. and showing interfaces that are configured, but the card isnt inserted (i.e. insert card, configure wlan0, eject card, does it still show the configuration in networksetup?) |
| 21:30:52 | ljp_work | Aron sent me the first brochure that was on.. there with quotes by HP and other compaines like that |
| 21:31:32 | chouimat | goes back to that braindead network script (tcl/tk,perl,awk,csh) |
| 21:31:40 | ljp_work | I have it at home |
| 21:31:56 | ljp_work | its on their web site somewhere also |
| 21:32:18 | ljp_work | Aron's 'da man! |
| 21:32:45 | ljp_work | got deported from US, so they sent him to Norway |
| 21:33:01 | ljp_work | well, not deported.. visa ended |
| 21:35:02 | ljp_work | frickin' aslow day here at work |
| 21:35:21 | Twiun | lol... love this quote from /. ... "Politicians are like diapers and need to be changed often - for the same reason" |
| 21:38:13 | ljp_work | harlekin: where was that TT booth? |
| 21:38:52 | Harlekin | ljp_work: systems |
| 21:39:43 | ljp_work | systems?! whats that? |
| 21:39:54 | Harlekin | ljp_work: look at TT homepage |
| 21:42:54 | ljp_work | ahhh nice |
| 21:43:35 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 21:43:41 | Harlekin | he helped them today a bit |
| 21:43:53 | ljp_work | sandman? |
| 21:47:09 | Harlekin | we |
| 21:47:15 | Harlekin | not he |
| 21:47:16 | Harlekin | -) |
| 21:47:22 | Harlekin | sandman was there too |
| 21:47:22 | Harlekin | yes |
| 21:48:01 | kolla | hm.. maybe I should prod paul nolan to do photogenics for opie |
| 21:48:26 | Harlekin | ? |
| 21:49:03 | Harlekin | kergoth: its payware |
| 21:49:06 | Harlekin | photogenics |
| 21:49:48 | treke|laptop | did it ever get released? |
| 21:49:54 | kergoth | Harlekin: ? |
| 21:50:22 | Harlekin | treke|laptop: the pocketpc version? |
| 21:50:37 | treke|laptop | Harlekin: The linux version is the one I was thinking of :) |
| 21:50:42 | Harlekin | no idea |
| 21:50:52 | Harlekin | but if somebody would do an app like that for opie |
| 21:50:57 | Harlekin | it would be cooooool |
| 21:51:08 | Harlekin | treke|laptop: btw, can you start documenting too? .-) |
| 21:52:26 | ljp_work | my docs-> echo "poke and prod your stylus on various parts of the app to get it to do stuff" >> myDocs.html |
| 21:52:35 | ljp_work | done |
| 21:52:44 | treke|laptop | hehe |
| 21:52:52 | Harlekin | ljp_work: and youre proud of that? |
| 21:52:58 | ljp_work | haha.. sure |
| 21:53:36 | ljp_work | that will work for _any_ opie app |
| 21:53:46 | kergoth | Harlekin: confedit displays in a window, not full screen.. its just doing showMainWidget() .. shouldnt be a problem.. |
| 21:53:51 | kergoth | Harlekin: mind looking into that for me? ;) |
| 21:54:03 | Harlekin | into what |
| 21:54:08 | kergoth | why its not full screen |
| 21:54:12 | Harlekin | btw, did you build citytime lately? |
| 21:54:12 | kergoth | its a stupid thing, but its annoying |
| 21:54:17 | kergoth | Harlekin: yeah, nice work on that |
| 21:54:19 | kergoth | Harlekin: :) |
| 21:54:23 | Harlekin | i ment is it working? |
| 21:54:33 | kergoth | seems to be |
| 21:54:33 | Harlekin | crashing in grouchos feed |
| 21:54:35 | kergoth | hmm |
| 21:54:39 | kergoth | tests again |
| 21:54:42 | Harlekin | but not if i build it myself |
| 21:55:00 | kergoth | craashes when? |
| 21:55:09 | scanline | is back (gone 02:40:29) |
| 21:55:11 | kergoth | works fine for me |
| 21:55:18 | Harlekin | good |
| 21:55:29 | Harlekin | so again grouchos build chain |
| 21:55:43 | kergoth | what is he using? |
| 21:55:57 | kergoth | i've stuck with the one erikm built on ftp.arm.linux.org.uk, the 2.95.3... its solid.. |
| 21:56:01 | Harlekin | not sure |
| 21:56:12 | Harlekin | i think what onyx suggested |
| 21:57:21 | kergoth | onyx is using erikms |
| 21:57:23 | kergoth | same as me |
| 21:59:30 | Harlekin | good |
| 21:59:40 | Harlekin | so something else is wrong on his build computer |
| 22:03:57 | mickeyl | is leaving for a while... |
| 22:22:20 | sjborch | It's quiet. . . too quiet. |
| 22:22:51 | ljp_work | shhhh! developers working! |
| 22:23:02 | ljp_work | heh fine.. be that way |
| 22:23:17 | ljp_work | you missed my comment |
| 22:30:22 | | qnx is a realtime platform - a hybrid that represents a cross between a realtime operating system and a platform OS. or at http://www.eugeneteo.net/files/sites/ipaq/ or at http://www.qnx.com |
| 22:30:22 | kolla | ibot qnx |
| 22:30:32 | kolla | hm |
| 22:31:14 | badl^Zzzz | kolla: you can download for free a copy of qnx too |
| 22:31:21 | kolla | already doing that |
| 22:31:24 | badl^Zzzz | for your playing! |
| 22:31:27 | kolla | slowly :P |
| 22:31:48 | chouimat | I have it installed on a p200 |
| 22:31:50 | kolla | been running rtp quite a bit, was debugging pcmcia ethernet for it for a while |
| 22:32:06 | kolla | for one of the guys at qssl |
| 22:32:11 | badl^Zzzz | ahhh |
| 22:32:55 | kolla | but.. I moved on to OSX on an ibook, but now I'm stuck with PC again.. wandering if AmigaOSXL supports amithlon partition.. |
| 22:33:02 | kolla | amigaOSXL runs on RTP |
| 22:33:10 | kolla | wondering |
| 22:33:22 | badl | heh amiga ;) |
| 22:33:27 | kolla | wandering around wondering |
| 22:33:31 | kolla | yep |
| 22:33:47 | badl | peagusOS WILL SEE THE LIGHT OF DAY FIRST! |
| 22:34:00 | kolla | I'm an amigaoid.. all other systems serves but the perpuse of running an amiga emulator ontop of them ;) |
| 22:34:01 | badl | ERRR morphOs |
| 22:34:08 | chouimat | AROS |
| 22:34:10 | kolla | hehe |
| 22:34:20 | badl | kolla: i am from an amiga background too ;) |
| 22:34:44 | chouimat | i am from a Color Computer 3 OS-9 background |
| 22:34:48 | kolla | morphos.. aros.. os4.. amithlon.. why argue, finally a nice little range of options to pick from :) |
| 22:34:49 | badl | then one day my a4000 didn't cut it a anymore |
| 22:35:12 | chouimat | hmmm need to move cat from mouse pad |
| 22:35:12 | kolla | sad sad sad :) |
| 22:35:23 | badl | not really |
| 22:36:28 | kolla | I'm getting 2-3 A4000 machines next week or so |
| 22:36:41 | kolla | something to play around with |
| 22:36:43 | badl | hehe just to put on your desk ;) |
| 22:37:07 | kolla | put them in the shelves, almost like a rack |
| 22:37:19 | badl | i still have my a4k and will never get rid of it |
| 22:37:32 | kolla | :) |
| 22:37:44 | badl | and all the thousands of discs of SHAREwarez software ;) |
| 22:38:41 | kolla | badl: what would be king would something amigaos-like on a PDA |
| 22:38:57 | badl | how about a port of aros? |
| 22:39:04 | kolla | already on it, sort of |
| 22:39:19 | kolla | struggling to get a working developer environment |
| 22:39:19 | badl | a project started but never finished aye? ;) |
| 22:39:35 | kolla | "started" just a few weeks ago |
| 22:39:39 | badl | ic |
| 22:39:56 | badl | so you have nothing compiled yet? |
| 22:40:02 | kolla | asking aroun on the aros list was kind of depressing.. allthough being C it's quite bound to ix86 architecture |
| 22:40:41 | kolla | I hada very nice environment on the Z itself, but an OZ upgrade killed it off and I didnt bother pulling it back together |
| 22:40:54 | sjborch | BigBoss: Oops! Jabber deleted my server settings. (Fortunately, I have the PC to restore them). |
| 22:40:56 | kolla | bloody busybox :) |
| 22:41:09 | badl | :) |
| 22:41:34 | badl | kolla: do you still visit ann.lu? |
| 22:41:51 | kolla | sure.. entertainment :) |
| 22:42:23 | badl | i still can't beat the daily visit... even though i can't used my amiga regular since '99 |
| 22:42:38 | badl | can't=haven't |
| 22:42:42 | kolla | when having nothing to do.. ann.lu and www.<random norwegian profanity word>.(com|org|net) |
| 22:43:20 | kolla | I actually have my A3000 as the desktop computer in my office |
| 22:43:37 | kolla | since they havent got around to buy me a PC yet :) |
| 22:43:43 | badl | kolla: ohhh profanity? check out this site then http://urinalpoop.org/gallery |
| 22:44:10 | kolla | haha |
| 22:44:20 | badl | yeah... what are you doing on the a3k? |
| 22:45:06 | kolla | fire up a bunchload of ssh windows |
| 22:45:14 | kolla | and amirc and aweb |
| 22:45:23 | badl | system admin? |
| 22:45:32 | kolla | and listen to shoutcast |
| 22:45:33 | kolla | yes |
| 22:45:39 | badl | ahh |
| 22:46:58 | kolla | just bought the highway usb controller, so now I have a wireless usb mouse working with it :) |
| 22:47:09 | badl | kewl |
| 22:47:20 | badl | you runing a cyberstorm in it? |
| 22:47:50 | kolla | csppc |
| 22:48:13 | badl | .. a little more grunter than my 030 ;) |
| 22:48:16 | kolla | with a cvppc on |
| 22:48:26 | kolla | 060 and 604e |
| 22:48:49 | badl | pity that phase 5 run themselves into the ground... they produced good products |
| 22:49:21 | kolla | also there's a CV64 in there.. have the cvppc going to the loopback of the cv64, so I can have screens from both cards up on the monitor |
| 22:49:38 | kolla | badl: well.. phase5.. bplan.. |
| 22:49:48 | kolla | mostly the same techs |
| 22:49:53 | badl | true |
| 22:50:44 | kolla | I'm watching the morphos development quite closely, hanging around on #morphos etc.. know most of the developers through years on irc |
| 22:50:54 | kolla | also got it running on my box |
| 22:51:03 | kolla | the ancient 0.2 release :) |
| 22:51:08 | badl | heh |
| 22:51:08 | kolla | but I rarely use it |
| 22:51:21 | badl | remember proDAD's pOS effort ;) |
| 22:52:07 | kolla | oh yes.. got the prodad CD back home somewhere |
| 22:52:12 | kolla | not that bad :) |
| 22:52:45 | badl | i didn't like it.... nothing wrong with the tech... but prodad where famous for ugly as fuck gui's ;) |
| 22:54:41 | badl | hmm come to think of it.... were you ever on #amiga_warez? |
| 22:58:39 | kolla | no, not a warez dude really |
| 22:58:55 | kolla | actually thrown a lot of money after amiga software developers :) |
| 22:59:21 | badl | can't say the same thing |
| 22:59:36 | kolla | especially since I started working |
| 22:59:40 | badl | would it be bad of me to day that i never once brought 1 title ;) |
| 23:00:17 | kolla | ew :) |
| 23:01:01 | badl | those were the days... now i have GPL ;) |
| 23:01:54 | kolla | well, I find most *ix stuff tedious |
| 23:02:12 | kolla | it works, but it's not elegant or anything |
| 23:02:51 | badl | unfortunately the mainstream stuff is never elegant |
| 23:03:17 | kolla | indeed |
| 23:05:21 | Coup-Laptop | quick question, i want something to play on the train tommorow, and zmame is going to be it |
| 23:05:28 | Coup-Laptop | however, i cant seem to get it workin |
| 23:05:35 | Coup-Laptop | needs zLib, got that, no worries |
| 23:05:39 | badl | have you zlib installed? |
| 23:05:43 | badl | ahh |
| 23:05:50 | Coup-Laptop | ;) |
| 23:06:04 | badl | what error msg does it output on startup? |
| 23:06:10 | Coup-Laptop | downloading it again, then will try and let you know the error :) |
| 23:06:30 | Coup-Laptop | presuming i want the FULL binary? :) |
| 23:06:38 | badl | yep |
| 23:07:09 | Coup-Laptop | coolio, 59% |
| 23:07:14 | Coup-Laptop | damn slow connection |
| 23:12:36 | Coup-Laptop | ok, realised why it's slow :) /me closes Kazza, damn housemate been downloading things again!! |
| 23:13:02 | badl | .. and viruses to go with them too! |
| 23:13:47 | Coup-Laptop | aye |
| 23:14:15 | Coup-Laptop | fortunately i only use windows on this here laptop for synching my Z at the moment, till i get round to sorting it out in Linux :) |
| 23:22:07 | Neo|Work | how odd this is - I am not starting to receive orders again with about 1 week of NO orders |
| 23:22:10 | Neo|Work | that's just strange |
| 23:22:23 | Coup-Laptop | orders for what? :) |
| 23:23:55 | treke|laptop | maybe it meansyou need more products :) |
| 23:24:35 | Coup-Laptop | bah! dabs have been awaiting stock (25 available in 1 to 3 days) on my MA701 card for just over a week now! |
| 23:25:20 | Coup-Laptop | though amusingly it's now 23 in 1-3 days, so i guess 2 people have them on order along with me <sigh> |
| 23:25:35 | Coup-Laptop | i hate most online retailers, but they are cheap to go along with their awful service! |
| 23:28:10 | Coup-Laptop | also, dabs have "free delivery" but a £3 handling charge - cheeky bastids |
| 23:31:26 | cerezu | question: should I set up my new linux box with ext2 or the journaling version, ext3? |
| 23:32:03 | Coup-Laptop | do you need a journaling FS? |
| 23:32:37 | cerezu | well, not really, but it would be nice. |
| 23:32:42 | Coup-Laptop | :) |
| 23:32:51 | cerezu | but ext2 is faster and more stable, what ya think? |
| 23:33:08 | kergoth | how is ext2 more stable? |
| 23:33:12 | kergoth | i dont think that is the case. |
| 23:33:20 | cerezu | that is what the damn info says, heh. |
| 23:33:32 | Coup-Laptop | ext3 is newer, so, in that respect, riskier |
| 23:33:37 | kergoth | i've never had a problem with it myself |
| 23:33:59 | Coup-Laptop | me eiter, but, the risk remains |
| 23:33:59 | kergoth | and booting without wiating an hour to fsck occasionally is nice |
| 23:34:04 | kergoth | indeed |
| 23:34:06 | kergoth | hey prpplague |
| 23:34:08 | Coup-Laptop | :) |
| 23:34:23 | prpplague | kergoth: evening |
| 23:34:26 | cerezu | I suppose I could try ext3, It allows for different read/write as well as booting/shutting down a process is recorded so that reading/writing is recorded. And thus it does not have to check sectors at boot? |
| 23:34:37 | cerezu | kergoth: yeah |
| 23:34:45 | kergoth | cerezu: its journaling, with all that journaling entails |
| 23:34:50 | kergoth | prpplague: got my message from ibot? |
| 23:35:03 | cerezu | kergoth: oh yeah, I finally got my universal reader/writer. Finally can reflash the Z |
| 23:35:05 | prpplague | kergoth: yep just now |
| 23:35:27 | prpplague | kergoth: what was the deal? |
| 23:35:38 | chouimat | cerezu: usb reader? |
| 23:35:41 | kergoth | prpplague: we dont even know.. we just pulled from cvs.. dug through the *shitty ass* code |
| 23:35:48 | kergoth | prpplague: and teested it again after a cvs up, and it worked |
| 23:35:54 | kergoth | prpplague: so somebody fixed it.. |
| 23:35:58 | kergoth | prpplague: havent checked the cvs logs :) |
| 23:35:59 | badl | ext3 is ext2 + journaling |
| 23:36:01 | prpplague | kergoth: lol |
| 23:36:17 | cerezu | chouimat: yeah |
| 23:36:35 | kergoth | prpplague: the engineer likes those kinds of bugs, the ones he comes up here and finds were fixed already before by someone else :) |
| 23:36:42 | Cloudchaser | hey i have a general pc question for someone |
| 23:37:03 | Cloudchaser | i have laptop pc that refuses to read some cd's |
| 23:37:05 | prpplague | kergoth: i bet |
| 23:37:06 | chouimat | cerezu: which brand? |
| 23:37:12 | Cloudchaser | but i don't know why so i can fix the problem |
| 23:37:15 | badl | Cloudchaser: maybe the cds are fuct ;) |
| 23:37:19 | Cloudchaser | nope |
| 23:37:24 | Cloudchaser | installed to 3 other pc's with them |
| 23:37:25 | cerezu | chouimat: smartdisk |
| 23:37:38 | badl | Cloudchaser: you brought a dell dude! |
| 23:37:43 | Cloudchaser | no |
| 23:37:45 | prpplague | kergoth: man i gotta know, what does jeanne look like, man she sounds sweet on the phone |
| 23:37:48 | chouimat | cerezu: sandisk? |
| 23:37:51 | Cloudchaser | i got laid off and had to give the dell back |
| 23:38:08 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: either the cds are bad media, or the cdrom is crap and doesnt support them, like perhaps those disks were packet written |
| 23:38:10 | Cloudchaser | now i'm trying to put rh 7.3 on old toshiba 366 mhz |
| 23:38:13 | badl | Cloudchaser: why not mount the cd drive of one of the working computers on your laptop and install from there? |
| 23:38:20 | Cloudchaser | kergoth: that may be the case |
| 23:38:30 | Cloudchaser | but how do i fix it? |
| 23:38:39 | chouimat | cerezu: which model? |
| 23:38:52 | kergoth | prpplague: uhm.. how to put this.. she's great to 'hang out with'.. not exactly a looker. say, 35-45, crooked teeth.. blah |
| 23:39:13 | cerezu | chouimat: hold on |
| 23:39:16 | Cloudchaser | kergoth: what does that mean exactly..packet written |
| 23:39:30 | kergoth | prpplague: she's fun, but not someone i'd be interested in :) besides, she's married |
| 23:39:35 | prpplague | kergoth: doh |
| 23:39:43 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: different type of writing. dont know the details on how it works |
| 23:40:06 | Cloudchaser | damn |
| 23:40:15 | prpplague | kergoth: the ones with crooked teeth are the best, you can use them to open bottle caps and not worry about it |
| 23:40:24 | kergoth | prpplague: haha, you're so nice |
| 23:40:24 | cerezu | chouimat: 6IN1USB |
| 23:41:13 | chouimat | cerezu: ok. I can have the Dazzle 6in1 for 80$ CDN here |
| 23:41:33 | cerezu | chouimat: ? |
| 23:42:02 | chouimat | cerezu: your read CF,SM.MMC/SD,memorystick etc ... |
| 23:42:08 | cerezu | chouimat: the bad thing about it, is that the green LEDs are on all the time |
| 23:42:44 | chouimat | cerezu: how much did you pay for it? |
| 23:42:52 | cerezu | chouimat: 30$ |
| 23:43:06 | cerezu | chouimat: USD |
| 23:43:19 | chouimat | cerezu: here it's cost me 79.99$ |
| 23:43:28 | cerezu | chouimat: damn. |
| 23:43:42 | cerezu | chouimat: I got it from tigerdirect.com |
| 23:43:47 | cerezu | chouimat: it was a special |
| 23:44:10 | prpplague | anyone know if pcmcia2usb cards work under linux? |
| 23:44:11 | chouimat | cerezu: wow |
| 23:44:28 | chouimat | cerezu: 79.9 CND |
| 23:46:42 | cerezu | chouimat: yeah, ouch |
| 23:51:33 | cerezu | chouimat: reflashing my zaurus now :) and it works flawlessly to me, so its all good |
