| 00:06:06 | ljp | frickin'frackin'-mumble..mumblemumble |
| 00:06:24 | Cloudchaser | s'matter? |
| 00:07:09 | ljp | grumble grumble |
| 00:07:42 | Cloudchaser | why are you mumbling and grumbling? |
| 00:08:22 | ljp | ohhh.. this thing that is supposed to work.. isnt |
| 00:08:29 | Cloudchaser | :( |
| 00:08:42 | Cloudchaser | can you fix it? |
| 00:08:42 | ljp | and I'm tired of fighting it |
| 00:08:59 | Cloudchaser | aww..maybe take a little break from it? |
| 00:09:13 | TheMasterMind1 | ljp what thing is this? |
| 00:09:14 | ljp | perhaps.. but I would think it would work 'out of the box' |
| 00:09:29 | ljp | this damn vercel bsp |
| 00:09:43 | Cloudchaser | bsp? |
| 00:10:04 | ljp | board support package |
| 00:10:16 | Cloudchaser | ah.. |
| 00:10:34 | TheMasterMind1 | [DrEvil] hey |
| 00:10:41 | [DrEvil] | hey |
| 00:10:46 | TheMasterMind1 | [DrEvil] update from cvs and do make openzaurus-minimal :D |
| 00:10:53 | TheMasterMind1 | loads of stuff has been fixed |
| 00:11:00 | TheMasterMind1 | and now it actually makes opie and qt |
| 00:11:04 | TheMasterMind1 | and all works |
| 00:11:10 | TheMasterMind1 | i just tried it and reflashed my Z |
| 00:11:12 | TheMasterMind1 | its great :D |
| 00:13:07 | Cloudchaser | what are the differences from the user standpoint? |
| 00:13:28 | kergoth | none, other than a bug fix here and there |
| 00:13:54 | [DrEvil] | was there a fix to tinylogin? |
| 00:13:55 | Cloudchaser | it makes things easier for you? |
| 00:14:00 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: on the plus side, I upgraded our jffs2 drivers to the version from 2.4.19 kernel, so we may gain some stability |
| 00:14:02 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: yeah, it does |
| 00:14:08 | Cloudchaser | :) |
| 00:14:12 | Cloudchaser | that's a good thing then |
| 00:14:20 | kergoth | VerxHome: you around? |
| 00:14:21 | whardier | watches "The Game" |
| 00:14:25 | | warmi was last seen on #zaurus 2 days, 10 hours, 22 minutes and 32 seconds ago, saying: tux_mike:" I recently bought 80 GB IDE at Circuit City for about $70 or so [Fri Sep 6 14:51:53 2002] |
| 00:14:25 | jbardin | ibot seen warmi |
| 00:14:31 | | benmeyer was last seen on #zaurus 2 days, 4 hours, 22 minutes and 43 seconds ago, saying: later [Fri Sep 6 20:51:48 2002] |
| 00:14:31 | jbardin | ibot seen benmeyer |
| 00:14:32 | kergoth | VerxHome: i look forward to test results from 2.4.7 ;-) |
| 00:14:32 | Cloudchaser | hullo whardier! |
| 00:14:36 | jbardin | urg |
| 00:14:43 | darienm | whardier: hey there ! |
| 00:14:50 | TheMasterMind1 | [DrEvil] yea tinylogin was udpated a while ago |
| 00:14:59 | Cloudchaser | and darienm: congrats on your new app |
| 00:15:00 | whardier | howdy |
| 00:15:06 | TheMasterMind1 | VerxHome is testing 2.4.7? |
| 00:15:06 | darienm | whardier: you lost your internet connection overnight two days ago |
| 00:15:07 | Cloudchaser | going to give it a try |
| 00:15:10 | darienm | Cloudchaser: thanks!! |
| 00:15:13 | [DrEvil] | ugh |
| 00:15:14 | Cloudchaser | :) |
| 00:15:14 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yeah, he was seeing flash corruption |
| 00:15:16 | [DrEvil] | make clean is ugly |
| 00:15:27 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: make clean just calls make clean in each of the sub builds |
| 00:15:31 | darienm | whardier: And how do I know this? Uh.. because I was keeping your connection busy..... ;) |
| 00:15:35 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: if you want to wipe the build dir, do make buildclean |
| 00:15:44 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: ( i changed the semantics some) |
| 00:15:49 | [DrEvil] | ahh |
| 00:15:55 | [DrEvil] | should I delete busybox source too? |
| 00:16:05 | kergoth | doesnt matter |
| 00:16:10 | kergoth | it'll update it from cvs automatically |
| 00:16:12 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:16:17 | [DrEvil] | it was bitching about moving files out of the way |
| 00:16:26 | kergoth | ah that issue, yeah wipe the tree then |
| 00:16:44 | TheMasterMind1 | you need to upgrade cvs |
| 00:16:49 | TheMasterMind1 | you have an old cvs version |
| 00:16:56 | TheMasterMind1 | and any tree it says to move files, you need to start over on |
| 00:16:57 | TheMasterMind1 | :D |
| 00:17:07 | [DrEvil] | that is nice to know |
| 00:17:34 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
| 00:17:39 | TheMasterMind1 | probalby want to wait a bit also |
| 00:17:44 | kergoth | [DrEvil], TheMasterMind1: buildroot discussion should probably be delegated to #openzaurus so as not to disturb the locals |
| 00:17:46 | kergoth | heheh |
| 00:17:48 | TheMasterMind1 | until kergoth fixes the re-update issue |
| 00:17:54 | TheMasterMind1 | since you're on a 56k |
| 00:18:00 | TheMasterMind1 | WHAT locals? |
| 00:18:01 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 00:18:02 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:18:10 | TheMasterMind1 | this channel is idle when we're not talking |
| 00:18:26 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: you can edit include.mk to disable autoupdate from cvs if you like.. that is, if it adds too much delay to the build |
| 00:18:30 | ljp | but its become the oz channel here |
| 00:18:46 | kergoth | nifty |
| 00:18:48 | kergoth | http://openzaurus.bkbits.net:8080/linux-2.4.7 |
| 00:18:50 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:18:55 | kergoth | thats the oz kernel tree now |
| 00:18:57 | [DrEvil] | doesn't everyone here use openzaurus? |
| 00:19:14 | ljp | hehehe not everyone |
| 00:19:27 | jbardin | what are oz's advantageS? |
| 00:19:29 | deevee | i dont even have a xaurus yet! |
| 00:19:34 | deevee | z* |
| 00:19:43 | darienm | OZ looks prettier |
| 00:19:47 | whardier | darienm: actually.. I got tired of you "accedentally" stealing my mp3's.. err.. more like.. I had no uplink :) |
| 00:19:50 | darienm | OZ is happier with Linux desktops |
| 00:20:14 | whardier | I don't mind.. but it was at a crucial moment.. |
| 00:20:22 | Cloudchaser | i had some trouble synching qtdesktop with oz |
| 00:20:22 | ljp | advantages? you can chat with the developers |
| 00:20:29 | jbardin | does oz still sync to win32 clients? |
| 00:20:30 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: what version? |
| 00:20:30 | darienm | whardier: Hey, if its ever a problem, let me know. Some of this stuff is good, and I'm buying the discs. The rest is not really to my liking. |
| 00:20:33 | kergoth | jbardin: yes |
| 00:20:34 | Cloudchaser | 1.6 |
| 00:20:38 | ljp | Cloudchaser: we may have that fixed in opie now |
| 00:20:43 | Cloudchaser | ah nice |
| 00:20:52 | darienm | whardier: I will probably attend the Ani DiFranco concert coming up... never heard of her before... |
| 00:20:55 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: have you tested syncing on a current opie build yet? |
| 00:21:05 | whardier | darienm |
| 00:21:06 | whardier | heh |
| 00:21:11 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth no, i don't sync. |
| 00:21:16 | TheMasterMind1 | syncing is useless to me |
| 00:21:17 | Onyx4 | kergoth: I did |
| 00:21:17 | Cloudchaser | it also had issues with tkc apps/oz/qt desktop for linux |
| 00:21:19 | TheMasterMind1 | i can try though |
| 00:21:19 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 00:21:21 | Onyx4 | kergoth: seems to work fine |
| 00:21:31 | whardier | anyhoot.. I can put the mp3's back up in a month.. right now I have lots of VPN stuff to be working on |
| 00:21:56 | darienm | whardier: no need... its completely mirrored :) |
| 00:22:02 | Cloudchaser | lol |
| 00:22:20 | whardier | heh |
| 00:22:23 | [DrEvil] | kergoth: is this going to download linux-2.4.7? |
| 00:22:25 | whardier | sneaky little geezer |
| 00:22:30 | extremis | someone say my name? |
| 00:22:35 | darienm | whardier: Hey, you weren't here to talk to... I kept looking for you. |
| 00:22:47 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: not yet, default is still 2.4.6 |
| 00:22:50 | whardier | its no problem.. I would have DESTROYED YOU AND YOUR FAMILY.. if it was |
| 00:22:52 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: to build 2.4.7, do make kernel-2.4.7 |
| 00:22:54 | whardier | :) |
| 00:23:07 | darienm | chuckles at whardier's attempt at a threat |
| 00:23:10 | [DrEvil] | what is the diff with the 2.4.7 kernel? |
| 00:23:23 | ljp | jffs2 |
| 00:23:24 | DaWorm | :) |
| 00:23:28 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: minor things, other than the update to the jffs2 from 2.4.19 |
| 00:23:37 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: so we should gain some filesystem stability |
| 00:23:41 | [DrEvil] | hrmmm |
| 00:23:47 | [DrEvil] | perhaps I will download the patch |
| 00:23:50 | extremis | woo woo, is the suspend/resume thing fixed? |
| 00:23:58 | extremis | kergoth: did you make a release? |
| 00:24:01 | kergoth | extremis: who knows, i havent tested current opie from cvs yet |
| 00:24:03 | kergoth | extremis: no, about to though |
| 00:24:07 | extremis | :) |
| 00:24:09 | extremis | *clap* |
| 00:25:14 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 00:25:15 | TheMasterMind1 | uhoh |
| 00:25:18 | TheMasterMind1 | my wifi card isn't working |
| 00:25:22 | TheMasterMind1 | i put it in and the modules weren't loaded |
| 00:25:35 | kergoth | is cardmgr running? |
| 00:25:44 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
| 00:25:48 | TheMasterMind1 | orinoco module doesn't exist |
| 00:25:49 | TheMasterMind1 | bah |
| 00:26:00 | Cloudchaser | did anyone see that post about the serial cable surgery? |
| 00:26:02 | kergoth | thats odd, the spectrum_cs patch shouldve applied to your kernel tree |
| 00:26:08 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: is kernel-modules installed? |
| 00:26:11 | TheMasterMind1 | not sure |
| 00:26:21 | TheMasterMind1 | how do i check |
| 00:26:32 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 00:26:39 | whardier | I need a fish |
| 00:26:39 | whardier | bad |
| 00:26:40 | TheMasterMind1 | the kernel-modules ipk wasn't built |
| 00:26:40 | TheMasterMind1 | grr |
| 00:26:58 | ljp | a fish? theres a dead bird in my yard you can have |
| 00:27:15 | whardier | naw |
| 00:27:16 | whardier | I need a fish |
| 00:27:43 | Onyx4 | kergoth: did you ever check for the serial cable connector part # I gave u? |
| 00:27:54 | ljp | you can tune a piano, but you cant tuna fish! |
| 00:28:09 | whardier | http://www.antbee.com/book.asp?book=1&page=0 |
| 00:28:10 | whardier | HEH |
| 00:28:25 | Cloudchaser | Onyx4: you found part that would fit z to make serial cable? |
| 00:28:30 | Onyx4 | yes |
| 00:28:44 | Cloudchaser | and you don't have to buy 10,000? |
| 00:28:56 | Onyx4 | I'm not sure about that, you'd have to check |
| 00:28:59 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 00:29:04 | Onyx4 | I can give you the info |
| 00:29:07 | Cloudchaser | ok thank you |
| 00:29:48 | | rumour has it serial is A means of operation meaning in series, or one after the other |
| 00:29:48 | Onyx4 | ibot: serial |
| 00:29:58 | | okay, Onyx4. |
| 00:29:58 | Onyx4 | ibot: serial is also http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/wiki/index.php?SerialPort |
| 00:30:23 | Onyx4 | see that link |
| 00:31:06 | Cloudchaser | i think thats the company that makes them for sharp |
| 00:31:11 | Cloudchaser | and won't sell less than 10,000 |
| 00:31:30 | Onyx4 | ah that sucks |
| 00:31:44 | | serial cable is at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/ActiveSync or mod my cable so that the keyboard opens: http://www.pellicosystems.com/demolinux/rs232mod/index.html |
| 00:31:44 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot serial cable |
| 00:32:36 | Cloudchaser | first one is for ipaq |
| 00:32:51 | Cloudchaser | the second one i saw |
| 00:33:00 | TheMasterMind1 | patch: **** Can't change to directory /zaurus/buildroot-oz/build/kernel-modules : No such file or directory |
| 00:33:01 | Cloudchaser | and it looks pretty scary |
| 00:33:02 | TheMasterMind1 | wtf |
| 00:33:05 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth ? |
| 00:33:09 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: hmm, thats odd |
| 00:33:23 | [DrEvil] | go to #openzaurus |
| 00:33:54 | Cloudchaser | would cost 100.00 or more to do that between buying the cable, soldering iron and dremel tool |
| 00:35:02 | Cloudchaser | was hoping by now there would be an alternative |
| 00:35:09 | Onyx4 | they should make a tiny cable that just has this connector and doesnt' even go over the power input |
| 00:35:27 | kergoth | Onyx4: it gives it power through that connector, fyi |
| 00:35:27 | Cloudchaser | oh i surely would like that :) |
| 00:35:36 | kergoth | Onyx4: it doesnt actually overlay and plug into the Z power plug |
| 00:35:48 | Cloudchaser | kergoth: why does it need power? |
| 00:35:59 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: becaues the connector is too wide, it blocks the regular power plug |
| 00:35:59 | Cloudchaser | do all serial cables need power? |
| 00:36:04 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: no, its power for the *Z* |
| 00:36:16 | Cloudchaser | hehe gotcha |
| 00:36:16 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:36:21 | Onyx4 | I see... just like the usb craddle then |
| 00:36:26 | Cloudchaser | couldn't it have been made smaller? |
| 00:36:33 | RUok | i have my gps hooked up to the sharp serial cable I bought, and several gps utils are not working. Do I have to disable pppd first? |
| 00:36:43 | kergoth | RUok: yes, disable everything else thats using the port |
| 00:36:50 | Onyx4 | I want to use my GPS eventually |
| 00:37:01 | Onyx4 | then I get can gpsdrive working on it |
| 00:37:06 | RUok | kergoth: Ok, figured that, but I cannot find how to stop pppd. Everytime I kill it, it starts up again |
| 00:37:12 | Cloudchaser | ooh i'd like to hear how your gps works once you get it working |
| 00:37:19 | kergoth | RUok: edit /etc/inittab |
| 00:37:20 | RUok | and its not in inittab which is what usually causes that |
| 00:37:24 | RUok | ;) |
| 00:37:26 | kergoth | RUok: yes, it is |
| 00:37:36 | RUok | all I see is a getty line for ttyS0 |
| 00:37:43 | kergoth | disable that, first of all |
| 00:37:43 | Onyx4 | that's the one |
| 00:37:48 | RUok | but isnt that for the boot? |
| 00:37:50 | kergoth | getty = issue login |
| 00:38:03 | kergoth | unless you think your GPS is going to log into your Z, you dont need that |
| 00:38:03 | RUok | yeah, but where does it run the pppd process? |
| 00:38:05 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:38:30 | Onyx4 | I wonder if sharp is really working on a new serial cable or not |
| 00:38:30 | kergoth | RUok: its another inittab entry, i dont recall which one offhand cause i dont use the sharprom |
| 00:38:41 | kergoth | Onyx4: somehow i doubt it, though itd be stupid for them not to |
| 00:38:46 | RUok | ahh, the serialctl one? |
| 00:38:49 | RUok | ill try that |
| 00:39:02 | kergoth | yep, thats the one |
| 00:39:19 | Cloudchaser | jason said they were working on another one, or someone was |
| 00:39:23 | Cloudchaser | but that was a while ago |
| 00:39:23 | RUok | ok, that made pppd go away :) |
| 00:39:23 | RUok | thanks |
| 00:40:01 | Onyx4 | so maybe it is available this new cable |
| 00:40:08 | Onyx4 | I gotta check with jason then |
| 00:40:32 | Onyx4 | I could also use my Z as a terminal for servers :) |
| 00:40:32 | Cloudchaser | haven't heard anything about one being available anywhere |
| 00:40:38 | Cloudchaser | but that would be awesome |
| 00:42:18 | TheMasterMind1 | kernel-modules-2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix-20011228_2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix-20011228-4d_arm.ipk |
| 00:42:23 | Wembly | hihihihi |
| 00:42:25 | Wembly | new cable? |
| 00:42:26 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth i think you messed up the naming |
| 00:42:41 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i changed it yes |
| 00:42:51 | Cloudchaser | Wembly: we're daydreaming |
| 00:42:55 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: because when it was kernel-modules, you coudlnt have both 2.4.6 and 2.4.7 modules installed at the same time. |
| 00:42:59 | Wembly | new cable for what tho? |
| 00:43:02 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: now its kernel-modules-[version] |
| 00:43:07 | TheMasterMind1 | err |
| 00:43:09 | TheMasterMind1 | but look |
| 00:43:12 | TheMasterMind1 | kernel-modules-2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix-20011228_2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix-20011228-4d_arm.ipk |
| 00:43:12 | kergoth | yes, i know |
| 00:43:14 | kergoth | you're not listneing |
| 00:43:16 | TheMasterMind1 | its repeating the name |
| 00:43:37 | kergoth | Name=kernel-modules-[version] where version is 2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embecdix-20011228 |
| 00:43:37 | Wembly | wtf is the 4d at theend of it for? |
| 00:43:49 | kergoth | filename = Name_Version-SubVersion_arm.ipk |
| 00:43:56 | kergoth | since Name contains Version, Version is in the ipk twice |
| 00:43:59 | kergoth | got it? |
| 00:43:59 | TheMasterMind1 | so why is it kernel-modules-<version>_<version> |
| 00:44:03 | TheMasterMind1 | oh |
| 00:44:03 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 00:44:06 | Onyx4 | is the kernel compiled with optimizations? |
| 00:44:08 | TheMasterMind1 | so fix it :d |
| 00:44:12 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4 no, nothing is afaik |
| 00:44:14 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: its not broken. |
| 00:44:16 | Onyx4 | ouch |
| 00:44:16 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: thats as designed. |
| 00:44:24 | TheMasterMind1 | alright |
| 00:44:29 | TheMasterMind1 | if you say so |
| 00:44:36 | kergoth | Onyx4: yes, the kernel is built with optimizations |
| 00:44:43 | Wembly | kergoth: you ever look into changing the naming scheme for the kernel images? |
| 00:44:43 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't want to type that into my Z to scp it over |
| 00:44:45 | TheMasterMind1 | :\ |
| 00:44:48 | kergoth | Onyx4: -mtune=strongarm1100 |
| 00:44:53 | Onyx4 | k |
| 00:44:56 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: tab is your friend |
| 00:45:03 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: so is * |
| 00:45:05 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:45:07 | Wembly | themaster: thats why you have tab compleation :P |
| 00:45:13 | kergoth | scp blah@bblah:/blah/kernel-modules*ipk . |
| 00:45:18 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 00:45:19 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:45:29 | TheMasterMind1 | i just realized |
| 00:45:31 | TheMasterMind1 | i can't scp it anyway |
| 00:45:34 | TheMasterMind1 | since the wlan doesn't work |
| 00:45:49 | kergoth | heres an idea, i'll change Version to be just Revision, not Version, in the kernel modules ipk |
| 00:45:57 | Onyx4 | brb |
| 00:45:58 | TheMasterMind1 | wonderful |
| 00:46:00 | Wembly | is there a review of wireless lan cf cards for the zaurus anywhere? |
| 00:46:53 | Wembly | kergoth: i take it as you havnt looked at the kernel image renameing thing have ya? :) |
| 00:47:31 | kergoth | Wembly: whats your proposal? |
| 00:47:36 | kergoth | Wembly: i havent had time to give it much thought |
| 00:47:49 | Wembly | kergoth: renameing insted of 32-32 to 32r-32d |
| 00:47:54 | kergoth | Wembly: ben meyer has a howto about Z wireless cards |
| 00:47:56 | | i think howto is at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ |
| 00:47:56 | kergoth | ibot: howto |
| 00:48:00 | Wembly | ker: k |
| 00:48:19 | kergoth | Wembly: note: ramdisk and ram both start with r |
| 00:48:21 | kergoth | :-P |
| 00:48:24 | Wembly | basicly postfixing or prefixing r and d to the two things respectively. |
| 00:48:33 | Wembly | kergoth: ram = r, disk = d |
| 00:48:41 | kergoth | but its not disk |
| 00:48:44 | kergoth | maybe s for storage? |
| 00:48:45 | Wembly | *shrug* |
| 00:48:46 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 00:48:46 | kergoth | hm |
| 00:48:50 | Wembly | does it matter? |
| 00:48:55 | kergoth | not really |
| 00:49:02 | Wembly | m32-s32 |
| 00:49:03 | Wembly | there |
| 00:49:07 | Wembly | memory 32 storage 32 |
| 00:49:08 | kergoth | but we want it as intuitive as possible |
| 00:49:10 | Wembly | and so on. |
| 00:49:17 | Wembly | or 32m 32s |
| 00:49:20 | kergoth | shit dood, m32-s32 doesnt mean anything to the layman either |
| 00:49:28 | kergoth | they have to read the FAQ anyway |
| 00:49:30 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:49:42 | Wembly | yea but then we can flipflop the 24-48's |
| 00:49:46 | Wembly | 48s and 48m |
| 00:50:18 | kergoth | we could do that now. 24-48, 48-24. since they dont know what the numbers mean regardless, they'll have to read the FAQ to understand anyway |
| 00:50:20 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:50:32 | Wembly | yea |
| 00:50:37 | Wembly | but this way i dont get confused :) |
| 00:50:47 | Wembly | and its blatently obvous if they do read the faq :) |
| 00:51:04 | Wembly | and they dont need to think uhhh which goes 1st? memory or disc? |
| 00:51:08 | kergoth | zImage-40ram-24storage :-P |
| 00:51:39 | Wembly | the alternative is name it after the total space and the space of storage they want. |
| 00:51:47 | kergoth | Wembly: fyi, #openzaurus is probably the preferable place to discuss this |
| 00:51:50 | Wembly | k |
| 00:53:51 | Com[Plex] | ,anyone know where to buy some friggin replacement styluss for the zaurus? |
| 00:54:00 | Com[Plex] | I broke mine. <grumble> |
| 00:55:06 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: kernel-modules-2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix-20011228_4d_arm.ipk .. hows that? |
| 00:55:27 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: 4d is Version, the rest is Name.. which makes sense, we dont need kernel version as part of Version if its already the filename |
| 00:55:29 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:55:35 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: er packagename i mean |
| 00:58:13 | jbardin | when sharp sends out the Z to the contest winners did they give yall the shipping tracking number |
| 00:58:23 | Com[Plex] | do they sell zauruss at best buy anymore? |
| 00:58:36 | Wembly | no |
| 00:58:38 | Wembly | its at compusa |
| 00:58:39 | deevee | i didnt see them on their website |
| 00:58:49 | Wembly | compusa sells the zaurus now |
| 00:59:00 | Wembly | and imho does it better. |
| 00:59:04 | Speedy2 | re |
| 00:59:05 | Wembly | its not in a little cage. |
| 00:59:07 | kergoth | re Speedy2 |
| 00:59:11 | Wembly | you can pick it up and play with it |
| 00:59:16 | Wembly | and open up the keyboard etc. |
| 00:59:36 | Speedy2 | re kergoth |
| 00:59:36 | Wembly | and you can feel how light it is etc. |
| 00:59:41 | Wembly | compusa does far better at selling pda's then bestbuy |
| 00:59:55 | Wembly | tho after some inspection bestbuy's return policy is better. |
| 00:59:57 | kergoth | Wembly: agreed, i was just up there yesterday |
| 01:00:00 | kergoth | indeed |
| 01:00:58 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 01:01:50 | Wembly | iv never talked to any of the tech people there with regards to pda |
| 01:01:51 | Wembly | 's |
| 01:02:05 | Wembly | cus well... im pritty happy with my pda and no where near in the market for a new one. |
| 01:02:18 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 01:02:27 | Wembly | esp given the wonderful xscale performance :) |
| 01:03:23 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 01:04:06 | Wembly | kergoth: i dont see anything decent with regards to wireless stuffs |
| 01:04:28 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth who are the other two oz project admins |
| 01:04:31 | Wembly | as far as products and which one is good/not so good |
| 01:05:37 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 01:06:12 | TheMasterMind1 | ah |
| 01:06:15 | TheMasterMind1 | tim = bzflag |
| 01:06:36 | TheMasterMind1 | not sure i know the other person though |
| 01:06:39 | TheMasterMind1 | oh well. i'll bbl |
| 01:07:12 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: whardier and bzflag, tim riker and shane spencer, iirc |
| 01:13:55 | Pentad | Ack! I'm having some problems cross compiling, can anybody help? |
| 01:14:36 | kergoth | Pentad: ask away |
| 01:15:28 | Pentad | I'm running SUSE 8.2 and I'm playing around with Comeback64's sourcecode and |
| 01:15:55 | Pentad | it compiles find but I'm not sure how to get the cross compiler to work, like do I have to |
| 01:16:11 | kergoth | what is comeback64? |
| 01:16:19 | kergoth | read the crosscompiler setup howto |
| 01:16:21 | | i think howto is at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ |
| 01:16:21 | kergoth | ibot: howto |
| 01:16:33 | Pentad | Oh, sorry, its a Commodore 64 emulator |
| 01:16:45 | Pentad | I haven't found anything on the howto's site |
| 01:16:52 | kergoth | look closer. |
| 01:17:22 | kergoth | http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/howtos/linux_compiler_setup_howto.shtml |
| 01:17:37 | kergoth | beyond that, google is your friend |
| 01:17:43 | Pentad | been there read that..nothing. |
| 01:18:01 | kergoth | nothing what? |
| 01:18:43 | Pentad | I want to compile this for the Z but I don't want to use Q but x11 |
| 01:19:05 | kergoth | okay, so figure out how to crosscompile using the bulidsystem in question |
| 01:19:16 | kergoth | each app you crosscompile is different, every buildsystem is slightly off |
| 01:19:33 | kergoth | if its autoconf/automake (./configure..) its one set of steps, if its a custom makefile deal, you edit the makefiles appropriately |
| 01:20:10 | kergoth | i'd recommend actually *trying* to crosscompile it, and use Google, its one of the best resources around. then come back and ask if you need further assistance |
| 01:21:10 | Verxion_Z | test |
| 01:21:27 | Verxion_Z | hrm, works, cool |
| 01:21:32 | Pentad | I'm trying to do that but I'm not sure what my next step is (hey I'm learning here). Do I have to recreate the makefile for cc? |
| 01:22:48 | VerxHome | q |
| 01:22:58 | kergoth | Pentad: your goal is to make it use arm-linux-gcc rather than gcc. |
| 01:23:47 | Pentad | Thats what I thought, what do I have to modify to do that? Or if you can point me in the right direction that would be great. |
| 01:25:54 | kergoth | Pentad: does it use ./configure? or is it just a makefile? i asked this earlier |
| 01:26:14 | Pentad | Just a makefile. |
| 01:27:29 | Com[Plex] | jeesus |
| 01:27:43 | Com[Plex] | they need to remake zic so it doesnt get the friggin motd when you connect with it |
| 01:28:31 | kergoth | Pentad: then edit the makefile and find where it sets CC or GCC |
| 01:28:45 | fatbum | thank god linux...i can breath |
| 01:29:03 | fusion94 | um dude... |
| 01:29:21 | fusion94 | i don;t think linux makes you breathe |
| 01:29:30 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:29:31 | fatbum | oh it does |
| 01:30:13 | Pentad | Kergoth: Ok, let me look at that. Thanks for the help! |
| 01:30:57 | fusion94 | then you should get out more |
| 01:31:05 | fusion94 | and/or go see a doctor |
| 01:31:12 | kergoth | Pentad: np |
| 01:31:13 | fatbum | never |
| 01:31:20 | fusion94 | last time i checked breathing was an involuntary reflex |
| 01:32:16 | fatbum | you should check back with the cvs then |
| 01:32:20 | fatbum | cuz i have no idea what a cvs is |
| 01:32:36 | Wembly | fusion94: if that were true why would we be able to hold it? |
| 01:33:42 | Wembly | com[plex] i think irc servers forcably send that to you |
| 01:33:44 | kergoth | Wembly: a lot of people develop the ability to control what are normally unconscious actions.. breathing is one that everyone can override |
| 01:33:48 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:34:04 | Wembly | kergoth: unconscious but not involuntary? |
| 01:34:10 | fusion94 | Wembly: yeah can hold it, until you pass out then guess what....you start breathing again.... |
| 01:34:24 | Wembly | fusion94: herm... |
| 01:34:33 | fatbum | geez who gives a kernel |
| 01:34:34 | fusion94 | unless the rest of us get lucky and you die |
| 01:34:34 | Wembly | for me when i think involuntary reflex i think heart. |
| 01:34:37 | Wembly | not so much breathing. |
| 01:35:39 | Wembly | anyhow |
| 01:35:45 | Wembly | *shrug* i failed biology :) |
| 01:35:49 | Wembly | or atleast hated it enough |
| 01:35:52 | Wembly | i dont think i failed it. |
| 01:35:54 | fatbum | lycoris desktop lx is cool |
| 01:35:56 | Wembly | but never wish to take it ever. |
| 01:36:09 | Wembly | anyhow have a cf wireless card review? |
| 01:36:12 | fatbum | the console has a bg image |
| 01:36:24 | fatbum | :) |
| 01:38:51 | TheMasterMind1 | im' back |
| 01:39:02 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth i see you updated some stuff |
| 01:39:08 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth is being super-productive today |
| 01:39:58 | TheMasterMind1 | VerxHome |
| 01:44:00 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yeah, tmake is in the build now, no more relying on /opt/Qtopia ;-) |
| 01:44:10 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 01:44:11 | TheMasterMind1 | nice |
| 01:45:48 | VerxHome | ok kergoth |
| 01:45:52 | VerxHome | I realize it is 8pm |
| 01:46:02 | VerxHome | but I had a ton of cleaning from the LAN party yesterday |
| 01:46:07 | VerxHome | I am actually still not done cleaning |
| 01:46:08 | VerxHome | but |
| 01:46:13 | VerxHome | I am TIRED of cleaning |
| 01:46:13 | VerxHome | rofl |
| 01:46:16 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: and wembly reminded me that we can build opie-login without pam, so i dropped that patch into place |
| 01:46:20 | VerxHome | where can I grab the kernel again? |
| 01:46:22 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: so that should be happy |
| 01:46:28 | kergoth | VerxHome: http://openzaurus.sf.net/testing/ |
| 01:46:49 | VerxHome | kergoth: Has it changed since we talked last? |
| 01:46:54 | VerxHome | or is it the same as before? |
| 01:47:02 | VerxHome | oh, and have you tested it any more since we talked last? |
| 01:47:07 | VerxHome | things I should look out for? |
| 01:47:50 | fatbum | any1 use jabber on their desktops? |
| 01:51:51 | kergoth | VerxHome: I've been running it on mine all weekend |
| 01:52:01 | kergoth | VerxHome: but my Z in OZ seems to be more stable than most, for some reason |
| 01:52:15 | VerxHome | kergoth: Is yours a 5500? |
| 01:52:17 | VerxHome | I can't remember |
| 01:53:16 | VerxHome | oh, and kergoth, I got paypal payments from every single person on ebay that bought stuff from me |
| 01:53:26 | VerxHome | so once I get the SD card I will mail you the MMC |
| 01:53:33 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth you didn't commit the nopam patch.. |
| 01:53:40 | VerxHome | please email me your snailmail address at verxion@pobox.com |
| 01:53:51 | VerxHome | is ljp around? |
| 01:54:02 | VerxHome | pokes ljp |
| 01:54:54 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i didnt? |
| 01:55:00 | TheMasterMind1 | nope |
| 01:55:01 | VerxHome | kergoth: Was the 2.5.x kernel sound driver that worked on the Z decent? I mean, did it sound ok for audio? |
| 01:55:07 | kergoth | VerxHome: yeah, mine is a 5500 using 40-24 |
| 01:55:08 | TheMasterMind1 | only the opie.mk that uses it |
| 01:55:22 | kergoth | VerxHome: there was no 2.5.x sound driver for the headphone output, and i havent tested the buzzer output driver yet |
| 01:55:35 | VerxHome | oh |
| 01:55:41 | VerxHome | must have remembered something wrong |
| 01:55:41 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i found that thing where it said "obtaining packages for opie..." three times |
| 01:55:44 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: fixed that |
| 01:55:51 | VerxHome | I thought you had a buzzer output driver that worked |
| 01:55:52 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 01:55:59 | VerxHome | and ended up thinking you killed your buzzer for a while |
| 01:56:04 | kergoth | VerxHome: well, i did echo blah > /dev/dsp once |
| 01:56:10 | kergoth | VerxHome: yeah, i had to reflash to get the buzzer back, you remember right |
| 01:56:20 | kergoth | VerxHome: i've avoided doing any further testing on it since. hehe. |
| 01:56:21 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 01:56:34 | VerxHome | kergoth: Ok, well, the ONLY thing I miss from my ipaq right now |
| 01:56:41 | VerxHome | is audio without headphones |
| 01:56:48 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 01:57:01 | VerxHome | kindof a pain to have to carry headphones all the time just to listen to things like movies |
| 01:57:02 | VerxHome | or games |
| 01:57:05 | chayim|home | does anybody know why I can't find the fontfactories (and hence apps die) on OZ? What package must be installed? I checked and don't have the directory. |
| 01:57:25 | VerxHome | and it is a LOT less impressive to demo something on the Z if you have to hand them the Z and a set of headphones |
| 01:57:27 | VerxHome | :) |
| 01:59:24 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 01:59:31 | TheMasterMind1 | make yourself a speaker? |
| 01:59:40 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm, bt+nas |
| 01:59:56 | TheMasterMind1 | i doubt they have bt enabled speakers though |
| 01:59:58 | VerxHome | ok |
| 02:00:01 | VerxHome | I just convinced myself |
| 02:00:06 | VerxHome | not to buy the 512MB SD card |
| 02:00:09 | kergoth | chayim|home: why do you need them? |
| 02:00:10 | TheMasterMind1 | why |
| 02:00:17 | VerxHome | I can't play divx from the MMC fast enough |
| 02:00:24 | kergoth | chayim|meeting: your problem is you're running apps without QTDIR and OPIEDIR set |
| 02:00:27 | VerxHome | I can play divx from CF fast enough tho |
| 02:00:29 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth commit the nopam patch |
| 02:00:32 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: k |
| 02:00:44 | chayim|home | kergoth : not to sure but keyring won't run b/c of this. |
| 02:00:53 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: done |
| 02:01:17 | kergoth | chayim|home: thats not the problem, or you dont have the right env variables set. |
| 02:01:28 | kergoth | chayim|home: paste met he exact error nad the circumstances under which you see it |
| 02:01:39 | chayim|home | kergoth : Sure 1 min |
| 02:01:46 | chayim|home | heads downstairs to pick up his Z |
| 02:02:21 | kergoth | k |
| 02:02:30 | VerxHome | hopefully I will receive my socket 802.11 card on Tuesday |
| 02:02:39 | VerxHome | eagerly anticipates it |
| 02:03:12 | chayim|home | kergoth: QDIR::readDirEntries: Cannot read the directory: /opt/QtPalmtop/plugins/fontfactories gdbm fatal: read error. |
| 02:03:16 | TheMasterMind1 | socket wifi++ |
| 02:03:22 | VerxHome | yeah |
| 02:03:26 | chayim|home | kergoth : ftr if I make the dir I just get the gdbm fatal error. |
| 02:03:32 | VerxHome | my school has wifi everywhere |
| 02:03:32 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 02:03:35 | VerxHome | my home does |
| 02:03:38 | TheMasterMind1 | buy.com is gonna gimme back $65 |
| 02:03:40 | kergoth | chayim|home: i have no idea what its trying to do. |
| 02:03:41 | TheMasterMind1 | on my zaurus purchase |
| 02:03:42 | TheMasterMind1 | w00t |
| 02:03:50 | kergoth | chayim|home: i'd need an strace or ltrace to nail it down |
| 02:03:59 | VerxHome | and work will once I rig my laptop to be my own little wifi gateway |
| 02:04:00 | VerxHome | :) |
| 02:04:12 | Neo|Laptop | There, |
| 02:04:21 | Neo|Laptop | now I have audio left for IF only |
| 02:04:21 | chayim|home | kergoth : I hear you, I'll have to go about finding & installing |
| 02:04:35 | kergoth | chayim|home: k. you should be able to grab the packge from famliiar |
| 02:04:42 | chayim|home | kergoth : btw I solved my wlan issue, turns out my airport hosed itself (I'm dealing with apple tomorrow). |
| 02:04:49 | chayim|home | kergoth : I'm checking my local mirror first. |
| 02:05:21 | kergoth | chayim|home: ah gotcha |
| 02:06:16 | VerxHome | kergoth: With the zImage-32 kernel, just fyi, I have not found ANYTHING I cannot run |
| 02:06:20 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth work on the kernel :D |
| 02:06:23 | VerxHome | so I currently don't see a need for the 5500 |
| 02:07:09 | phatcat | hey i downloaded the initrd-2.9.5.5.bin but it won't flash the rom |
| 02:07:11 | kergoth | VerxHome: great |
| 02:07:15 | kergoth | phatcat: rename it to initrd.bin |
| 02:07:17 | TheMasterMind1 | phatcat read the faq |
| 02:07:20 | kergoth | phatcat: and read the FAQ and INSTALL |
| 02:07:23 | phatcat | i know i need a Zimage but i tried that too |
| 02:08:12 | phatcat | kergoth: thanks |
| 02:09:21 | phatcat | where do i find my mac address? |
| 02:09:38 | kergoth | ifconfig -a |
| 02:11:00 | chayim|home | kergoth : the strace is at http://www.gnupower.net/key.out |
| 02:11:56 | VerxHome | crap |
| 02:12:00 | TheMasterMind1 | ? |
| 02:12:05 | VerxHome | oh |
| 02:12:11 | VerxHome | I accidentally reflashed the wrong stuff |
| 02:12:24 | extremis | I'm so sad |
| 02:12:27 | VerxHome | kergoth: Will 2.4.7 boot with the old modules? |
| 02:12:36 | kergoth | VerxHome: yeah, it'll boot |
| 02:12:48 | VerxHome | I am currently (accidentally) flashing both the old initrd and new kernel |
| 02:12:55 | VerxHome | I forgot to move the initrd.bin out of the way this time |
| 02:12:56 | VerxHome | :( |
| 02:13:01 | extremis | kergoth: your build machine must be slow |
| 02:13:05 | VerxHome | kergoth: But I probably can't mount CF, right? |
| 02:13:13 | Wembly | 2.4.7? |
| 02:13:21 | Wembly | kergoth: when did you upgrade the kernel? |
| 02:14:02 | VerxHome | Wembly: He has been working on it for quite a while |
| 02:14:06 | kergoth | extremis: nah just making numerous fixes here |
| 02:14:08 | VerxHome | but he got a test kernel done on Friday |
| 02:14:26 | kergoth | its only 2.4.7, but thats cause the entire motivation for this was to get us newer jffs2 drivers |
| 02:14:31 | kergoth | the other stuff is forthcoming |
| 02:15:47 | extremis | kergoth: are we going to see a release tonight? |
| 02:16:05 | kergoth | extremis: hopefully, it depends on how quick this goes |
| 02:16:09 | kergoth | extremis: its building opie now |
| 02:16:13 | extremis | I'm excited |
| 02:17:08 | kergoth | chayim|meeting: hm, i dont see a failure in that strace.. |
| 02:17:11 | kergoth | chayim|meeting: odd |
| 02:18:09 | chayim|home | kergoth : interesting, I did the standard -o |
| 02:18:34 | VerxHome | hrm |
| 02:18:36 | chayim|home | kergoth : it ends in a segfault when I run it. |
| 02:18:40 | VerxHome | I do not seem able to flash anymore |
| 02:18:50 | VerxHome | is a bit worried here |
| 02:19:07 | kergoth | chayim|home: oh it segfaults, we'd need gdb to nail it down |
| 02:19:10 | chayim|home | kergoth : the segfault might be because of the failed opens (173, 174) |
| 02:19:13 | kergoth | chayim|home: i didnt see you mention that |
| 02:19:18 | kergoth | chayim|home: doubtful |
| 02:19:24 | kergoth | chayim|home: gdb ./blah; run; bt; |
| 02:19:38 | VerxHome | kergoth |
| 02:19:38 | chayim|home | kergoth : I don't think I did. |
| 02:19:40 | TheMasterMind1 | VerxHome whats not working |
| 02:19:43 | VerxHome | well |
| 02:19:46 | chayim|home | kergoth : back to familiar =) |
| 02:19:49 | kergoth | chayim|home: hah |
| 02:19:49 | VerxHome | I hit c+d+full reset |
| 02:19:51 | VerxHome | nothing occurs |
| 02:19:57 | VerxHome | no led flashing of any kind |
| 02:20:00 | VerxHome | not solid |
| 02:20:02 | VerxHome | not partial |
| 02:20:02 | kergoth | thats pretty odd |
| 02:20:05 | VerxHome | not even a power light |
| 02:20:18 | VerxHome | not blinking |
| 02:20:19 | VerxHome | nothing |
| 02:21:06 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 02:21:11 | TheMasterMind1 | you probably didn't press em right |
| 02:21:13 | TheMasterMind1 | try again |
| 02:21:22 | TheMasterMind1 | i once killed the zaurus while flashing |
| 02:21:26 | TheMasterMind1 | and it still let me reflash |
| 02:21:38 | VerxHome | I have tried reflashing prolly 20 times |
| 02:21:44 | VerxHome | and it hasn't done ANYTHING any of these times |
| 02:22:03 | VerxHome | this is after I accidentally flashed 2.4.7 + my old initrd.bin without the 2.4.7 modules |
| 02:22:41 | VerxHome | and to give you an idea |
| 02:22:47 | VerxHome | the previous 30 times I have flashed |
| 02:22:51 | VerxHome | it worked perfect first try |
| 02:22:54 | VerxHome | so |
| 02:22:56 | VerxHome | I am worried now |
| 02:22:57 | VerxHome | :( |
| 02:24:41 | kergoth | VerxHome: worst case, try flashing an original sharp 'romimage' |
| 02:24:55 | VerxHome | hrm |
| 02:24:58 | VerxHome | ok |
| 02:24:59 | VerxHome | well |
| 02:24:59 | phatcat | do i have to include the bootflag.txt in the flash? |
| 02:25:03 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
| 02:25:06 | VerxHome | I tried an older cf card |
| 02:25:10 | VerxHome | which I used before |
| 02:25:20 | VerxHome | that had a perfect zimage+initrd.bin on it |
| 02:25:28 | VerxHome | that I had used successfully to flash before |
| 02:25:35 | VerxHome | it didn't work either |
| 02:25:41 | kergoth | VerxHome: try removing hte battery |
| 02:25:46 | kergoth | VerxHome: leave it out for about 30-60 seconds |
| 02:25:49 | kergoth | VerxHome: then try again |
| 02:25:49 | VerxHome | ok |
| 02:25:54 | VerxHome | that sounds like a good idea |
| 02:26:21 | phatcat | ok, we have liftoff, i'm switching over to oz |
| 02:28:44 | VerxHome | kergoth: Battery removal didn't help |
| 02:28:48 | VerxHome | lemme grab a sharp image |
| 02:28:51 | VerxHome | :((((( |
| 02:34:36 | extremis | what is this image talk I see? |
| 02:35:01 | TheMasterMind1 | VerxHome you sure you have the normal operation/battery removal switch right? |
| 02:35:19 | VerxHome | I have it on replace battery |
| 02:35:25 | VerxHome | that is where it should be when flashing, right? |
| 02:35:28 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
| 02:35:33 | VerxHome | I put it there |
| 02:35:35 | VerxHome | have the cf card in |
| 02:35:41 | VerxHome | I hold c and d and tap full reset |
| 02:35:45 | TheMasterMind1 | take out the battery |
| 02:35:47 | VerxHome | let go of all keys |
| 02:35:51 | TheMasterMind1 | and keep it in normal operation |
| 02:35:51 | VerxHome | TheMasterMind1: I did |
| 02:35:53 | TheMasterMind1 | for like am inute |
| 02:35:54 | TheMasterMind1 | minute |
| 02:35:56 | VerxHome | oh, ok |
| 02:36:09 | TheMasterMind1 | that might work |
| 02:36:13 | VerxHome | I didn't have it in "normal operation" |
| 02:36:15 | TheMasterMind1 | or you might have to take out the backup batter too |
| 02:36:28 | VerxHome | I didn't know you could |
| 02:38:08 | phatcat | anyone here have a mac? |
| 02:38:10 | VerxHome | (I mean - I didn't know you could take out the backup battery) |
| 02:38:42 | VerxHome | phatcat: I have one behind each of the back wheels of my car to keep it from rolling down the driveway |
| 02:39:22 | phatcat | you're a ton of help buddy |
| 02:39:27 | VerxHome | was a joke man |
| 02:39:32 | VerxHome | phatcat: What do you need? |
| 02:39:35 | VerxHome | ask it |
| 02:39:47 | VerxHome | I know that george has a mac |
| 02:39:59 | VerxHome | he is on #Gentoo right now |
| 02:40:07 | VerxHome | if that is him. . . |
| 02:40:09 | VerxHome | it might not be |
| 02:40:15 | VerxHome | george normally goes by george- |
| 02:41:15 | VerxHome | ok everyone |
| 02:41:20 | VerxHome | just for future reference |
| 02:41:27 | VerxHome | when your Z looks to be REALLY bad |
| 02:41:28 | VerxHome | yank the battery |
| 02:41:31 | phatcat | ok well i need to format my cf card |
| 02:41:31 | phatcat | cause my Z is out of commission at the moment |
| 02:41:40 | VerxHome | put the switch to normal operation |
| 02:41:50 | VerxHome | let it sit for over a minute |
| 02:41:51 | VerxHome | BUT |
| 02:41:56 | VerxHome | make sure you disconnect power first |
| 02:41:58 | VerxHome | heh |
| 02:42:23 | darienm|away | phatcat: I have a mac. |
| 02:42:42 | darienm|away | phatcat: In fact, I have dozens. |
| 02:42:44 | phatcat | have you formatted your cf on it? |
| 02:42:52 | VerxHome | so anyone know what happens if you flash your Z while it is set to "normal" instead of "replace battery"? I am just curious |
| 02:42:53 | darienm|away | heh, no. |
| 02:43:03 | phatcat | cool |
| 02:43:06 | VerxHome | does it write protect the ROM if it is in normal or something? |
| 02:43:40 | kergoth | not sure |
| 02:43:45 | kergoth | i know that the pda is still on when its in replace |
| 02:43:46 | phatcat | so darien, have you formatted the CF with your mac? |
| 02:43:51 | kergoth | its just a switch, doesnt physically cut power |
| 02:43:53 | darienm|away | phatcat: heh, no |
| 02:44:12 | darienm|away | phatcat: I've done most of my Zaurus playing with my Win XP laptop |
| 02:44:24 | darienm|away | phatcat: although I've developed software for it on the Mac :) |
| 02:44:36 | phatcat | hmm... guess i'll ask my roomate he has one |
| 02:44:56 | phatcat | i have a win2k desktop but the drivers for my sandisk reader are shit |
| 02:45:13 | VerxHome | kergoth, are you here? |
| 02:49:22 | phatcat | darienmlaway: do you use os x? |
| 02:49:29 | darienm|away | YUP |
| 02:50:35 | phatcat | is it just me or does 10.2 just appear faster on the user level but is actually slower? |
| 02:51:25 | darienm|away | I'm still on 10.1.5 because 10.2 has so many software incompatibilities that I rely on. (There is a designer in my office who is on 10.2, and it does seem faster) |
| 02:52:06 | darienm|away | But for things like opening HELP or SYSTEM PREFERENCES, yes -- there is a delay/lag that wasn't as obvious in pre 10.2. |
| 02:52:38 | phatcat | bootup is definitely slower |
| 02:53:06 | phatcat | and the usb devices are slow |
| 02:53:14 | darienm|away | is _really_ away now... bye |
| 02:55:35 | VerxHome | hrm |
| 02:56:27 | TheMasterMind1 | VerxHome all fixed? |
| 02:57:04 | VerxHome | heh |
| 02:57:05 | VerxHome | well |
| 02:57:08 | VerxHome | it is a lot better |
| 02:57:16 | VerxHome | but I am having some trouble with my desktop at the moment |
| 02:57:20 | VerxHome | gotta figure that out |
| 02:57:37 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 02:59:01 | VerxHome | I am prolly gonna lose my irc connection |
| 02:59:04 | VerxHome | gimme a bit here |
| 02:59:25 | VerxHome | ok |
| 02:59:29 | VerxHome | I am gonna log out |
| 02:59:31 | VerxHome | bbl |
| 03:00:43 | VerxHome | ok |
| 03:00:45 | VerxHome | I am back |
| 03:00:50 | VerxHome | ok |
| 03:00:52 | VerxHome | now I can confirm |
| 03:00:58 | VerxHome | my Z is running much better |
| 03:01:02 | VerxHome | my flash was successful |
| 03:01:19 | VerxHome | now I need to reinstall the 2.4.7 modules |
| 03:01:25 | VerxHome | and then reflash the 2.4.7 kernel |
| 03:06:24 | VerxHome | ok, reflashing |
| 03:07:54 | VerxHome | ok |
| 03:08:00 | VerxHome | I think I know what went wrong |
| 03:08:08 | VerxHome | for some reason, it downloaded the zImage as zImage.txt |
| 03:08:13 | VerxHome | I renamed it to zImage |
| 03:08:24 | VerxHome | but I think it must have downloaded it ascii |
| 03:08:30 | VerxHome | and so the zImage is likely corrupt |
| 03:08:36 | angry | tried to build the 2.5.8 kernel today |
| 03:08:37 | angry | hehe |
| 03:08:39 | angry | bad idea |
| 03:10:59 | VerxHome | hrm |
| 03:11:05 | VerxHome | could someone do a lastlog on "test" |
| 03:11:19 | VerxHome | I need the location for the 2.4.7 kernel again |
| 03:11:27 | VerxHome | I need to redownload it as binary |
| 03:13:14 | kergoth | VerxHome: http://openzaurus.sf.net/testing/ |
| 03:13:40 | | OK, kergoth. |
| 03:13:40 | kergoth | ibot: oz testing is Openzaurus testing kernels and packages (NOT for the faint of heart!) will often appear at http://openzaurus.sf.net/testing/ |
| 03:16:06 | nasa | kergoth: what is the process to get java from the sharp rom onto oz? |
| 03:16:37 | nasa | do I need to edit ld.so.conf? |
| 03:17:04 | VerxHome | kergoth: I was doing "test" |
| 03:17:07 | VerxHome | thanks |
| 03:17:08 | VerxHome | :) |
| 03:19:37 | VerxHome | nasa: Go to zauruszone it explains how |
| 03:21:21 | nasa | thanks |
| 03:23:02 | kendrick2 | re |
| 03:30:21 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 03:30:22 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm out |
| 03:30:24 | TheMasterMind1 | later everyone |
| 03:30:56 | kendrick2 | cya |
| 03:31:38 | VerxHome | ok |
| 03:31:51 | VerxHome | reflashing with a proper 2.4.7 (downloaded as binary instead of ascii) |
| 03:32:01 | kendrick2 | hah |
| 03:32:05 | VerxHome | well |
| 03:32:08 | VerxHome | for some reason |
| 03:32:21 | VerxHome | ie thought it would be best to download zImage as zImage.txt |
| 03:32:27 | VerxHome | I renamed it to zImage after it finished |
| 03:32:35 | kendrick2 | ouch |
| 03:32:35 | VerxHome | I didn't think about it grabbing it as ascii |
| 03:32:37 | kendrick2 | ie is a piece of crap |
| 03:32:39 | kendrick2 | (sorry :) ) |
| 03:32:40 | VerxHome | it was very very bad for the Z |
| 03:33:20 | VerxHome | ok |
| 03:33:20 | VerxHome | there we go |
| 03:33:25 | VerxHome | much much MUCH better |
| 03:33:34 | VerxHome | now I can see the openzaurus logo and everything |
| 03:33:41 | VerxHome | before, it would hang really horribly badly |
| 03:33:53 | VerxHome | I couldn't even reflash the Z afterwards |
| 03:34:57 | kendrick2 | yikes |
| 03:35:02 | kendrick2 | so how'd you get around it? |
| 03:35:10 | VerxHome | well |
| 03:35:19 | VerxHome | what I did (thanks to several people helping me on here) |
| 03:35:22 | VerxHome | was yank the battery |
| 03:35:25 | VerxHome | yank the power cord |
| 03:35:31 | VerxHome | put it on normal operation |
| 03:35:36 | VerxHome | and left it sit for three minutes |
| 03:35:39 | VerxHome | then it let me reflash |
| 03:35:45 | TheMasterMind1 | :D |
| 03:35:48 | VerxHome | I was real worried I had fried my Z when it wouldn't even flash |
| 03:36:22 | VerxHome | # uname -a |
| 03:36:23 | VerxHome | Linux zaurus 2.4.7-rmk3-np1-embedix #1 Fri Sep 6 15:28:23 CDT 2002 armv4l unknown |
| 03:36:25 | VerxHome | there we go |
| 03:37:19 | VerxHome | kergoth: Were you able to get embedix to do the SD module recompile, or were you able to do that bit yourself? |
| 03:38:58 | VerxHome | kergoth: Are you there? |
| 03:39:06 | treke|ho1e | probably asleep |
| 03:39:15 | VerxHome | k |
| 03:40:21 | Wembly | im guessing asleep as well |
| 03:40:24 | VerxHome | heh |
| 03:40:24 | VerxHome | well |
| 03:40:38 | VerxHome | the 2.4.7 kernel seems to run everything I have installed on / |
| 03:40:46 | VerxHome | but 99.99% of my apps are installed to MMC |
| 03:40:55 | VerxHome | and it doesn't have an MMC/SD driver |
| 03:40:58 | VerxHome | so I can't test very much |
| 03:42:41 | VerxHome | at least not until that driver is ported |
| 03:42:44 | kergoth | hold on |
| 03:42:48 | VerxHome | oh |
| 03:42:48 | kergoth | VerxHome: you can force it in, wait up |
| 03:42:50 | VerxHome | crap |
| 03:42:52 | MSpin | what's the difference between konqe-snapshot and konqe-snapshot-full? |
| 03:42:52 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:42:55 | VerxHome | I am reflashing right now |
| 03:42:57 | VerxHome | sorry |
| 03:42:59 | kergoth | MSpin: full has javascript and shit |
| 03:43:04 | MSpin | ahh ok |
| 03:43:08 | kergoth | VerxHome: np, i'll get a sdmmc ipk up to make it easier soon |
| 03:43:12 | kendrick2 | wanders |
| 03:43:13 | kendrick2 | cay |
| 03:43:13 | VerxHome | kergoth: heh, ok |
| 03:43:15 | kendrick2 | err.. cya |
| 03:43:24 | MSpin | the gifplugin depends on -full |
| 03:43:33 | VerxHome | sorry kergoth |
| 03:43:42 | VerxHome | I did run every single app from rom tho this time |
| 03:43:45 | VerxHome | everything seemed to work fine |
| 03:43:51 | VerxHome | I didn't see any problems |
| 03:43:57 | VerxHome | but then, they are all pretty simple apps |
| 03:43:58 | VerxHome | :) |
| 03:44:43 | VerxHome | kergoth: are you still here? |
| 03:44:48 | VerxHome | I need like 30 seconds of your time |
| 03:44:49 | kergoth | yup |
| 03:44:51 | kergoth | whats up |
| 03:44:52 | VerxHome | ok |
| 03:44:53 | Wembly | herm. |
| 03:44:54 | VerxHome | two things |
| 03:44:56 | Wembly | kendrick ran off |
| 03:44:59 | Wembly | *pout* |
| 03:45:02 | kergoth | I'm working on the 2.4.19/2.5.latest stuff |
| 03:45:05 | kergoth | k |
| 03:45:08 | VerxHome | #1: Email me your snail mail address to verxion@pobox.com |
| 03:45:26 | VerxHome | I will be mailing you the MMC card once I get my SD card |
| 03:45:32 | VerxHome | prolly late this week or early next week |
| 03:45:54 | kergoth | i thought you decided not to buy it for speed reasons? |
| 03:46:03 | [DrEvil] | strange things are amis at the Circle K |
| 03:46:04 | kergoth | brb quick, gotta grab my dinner |
| 03:46:15 | treke|ho1e | rather late aint it? |
| 03:46:16 | VerxHome | #2: The problem that kept me from flashing was that IE downloaded the zImage-32 as zImage-32.txt, which, while it can be renamed to zImage-32, doesn't fix the fact that it was downloaded as ascii |
| 03:46:36 | [DrEvil] | that'll teach you to use IE |
| 03:46:58 | VerxHome | kergoth: So if people have that problem, yank the battery, yank power, put it on "normal operation", and then wait a few minutes, and they will be able to reflash. I think this is very good info to know. |
| 03:49:05 | MSpin | I wish more apps could deal with not being installed on / better |
| 03:49:25 | Wembly | verxhome: ouch |
| 03:49:54 | VerxHome | kergoth: As far as the MMC/SD speed issue - I decided that I won't be able to use a 512MB SD card for EVERYTHING on my Z. I will still need a CF card for things like divx movies or anything that needs high speed transfers |
| 03:49:59 | kergoth | MSpin: i havent run into a single app that it is a problem with |
| 03:50:23 | br33zy | is there anybody here who works at sharp |
| 03:50:24 | br33zy | ? |
| 03:50:25 | kergoth | MSpin: that is, everything installs to mtdram. some need symlinks for libs so dont cooperate on a vfat partition |
| 03:50:26 | treke|ho1e | one or two of thekompany's apps do |
| 03:50:29 | kergoth | VerxHome: ah gotcha |
| 03:50:32 | VerxHome | kergoth: Regardless, the 64MB MMC isn't large enough, and 128MB is the largest MMC you can get, so I am gonna buy a 256MB SD, and will send you the 64MB MMC |
| 03:50:49 | kergoth | VerxHome: i'll add the accidentally flashed a text file faq entry ;-) |
| 03:50:51 | MSpin | yeah, it's the symlink problem |
| 03:50:53 | VerxHome | kergoth: so I will install apps to the SD, and data that requires high speed transfer on the CF |
| 03:50:59 | VerxHome | kergoth: Rofl |
| 03:51:39 | Wembly | kergoth: you think thats a problem with sf.net's web servers interperting no extention to mean that the file is text? |
| 03:51:49 | Wembly | aka gives it a mimetype? |
| 03:51:58 | Wembly | of plain/text? |
| 03:52:02 | VerxHome | kergoth: I have to wait until the paypal payments from ebay get to my bank account (3 to 5 days), and then for the SD card to arrive (I will likely order next day air), so hopefully I can mail you the MMC on Monday |
| 03:52:06 | Wembly | err is that text/plain? i forget hehe |
| 03:52:23 | treke|ho1e | text/plain is probably the right choice for files withoun an extention |
| 03:52:25 | VerxHome | oh |
| 03:52:34 | VerxHome | kergoth: I said rofl because I misread what you typed |
| 03:52:59 | VerxHome | kergoth: I thought you said "I've actually flashed a text file faq entry ;-)" |
| 03:53:04 | VerxHome | I had just glanced at it |
| 03:53:11 | VerxHome | and figured you flashed a faq as a zImage |
| 03:53:12 | VerxHome | heh |
| 03:53:15 | VerxHome | guess that would just be me |
| 03:53:27 | Wembly | verxhome: i read it the same way the 1st time :) |
| 03:53:32 | VerxHome | heh |
| 03:54:42 | VerxHome | kergoth: But don't forget to mail me your snail mail address |
| 03:54:50 | VerxHome | kergoth: To verxion@pobox.com |
| 03:55:04 | VerxHome | kergoth: I promise not to stalk you or anything. heheh |
| 03:55:31 | treke|ho1e | kergoth: dont trust hin |
| 03:55:36 | VerxHome | rofl treke |
| 03:56:27 | cdm | stalkers always say that. |
| 03:56:34 | cdm | normal people don't even think to cover that base. |
| 03:56:40 | VerxHome | mmhmm |
| 03:56:47 | VerxHome | decides to stalk cdm |
| 03:56:48 | VerxHome | just on principle |
| 03:56:49 | VerxHome | :) |
| 03:56:57 | cdm | bring it on baby - we can carry conceled hand-guns in this state. |
| 03:57:03 | VerxHome | heheheh |
| 03:57:03 | treke|ho1e | you give him your address, next thing you know he'll be drunk in your backyard rearranging lawn furniture |
| 03:57:04 | kergoth | hah |
| 03:57:06 | VerxHome | mine too actually |
| 03:57:20 | VerxHome | has taken the concealed carry course twice |
| 03:57:27 | cdm | does not and will not own a gun. |
| 03:57:32 | VerxHome | but has no pistol or permit as yet |
| 03:57:33 | VerxHome | heh |
| 03:57:59 | VerxHome | so I am guessing I am gonna make another $1000 or so on ebay |
| 03:58:03 | VerxHome | with my next set of auctions |
| 03:58:11 | VerxHome | I gotta figure out what I want to buy with the money |
| 03:58:16 | kergoth | i'm decidedly low on weapons myself |
| 03:58:18 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:58:24 | treke|ho1e | a gun! |
| 03:58:26 | VerxHome | looks for cool small gadgets |
| 03:58:29 | cdm | is hacking his irc client right now. |
| 03:58:32 | VerxHome | treke: Nah, I don't want a gun |
| 03:58:36 | cdm | http://qnx.wox.org/killerIRC/shots/toolbar.jpg |
| 03:58:40 | Neo|Laptop | I need some stuff to sell so I can make money... :0 |
| 03:58:56 | treke|ho1e | highly recommends some of the fine products from Birdman Weapon Systems |
| 03:59:01 | treke|ho1e | http://birdman.org/ |
| 04:00:26 | kergoth | treke|ho1e: Unfriendly products for an unfriendly world? lol |
| 04:00:36 | MSpin | kergoth: how are apps not install on root supposed to get their icons right? |
| 04:00:57 | kergoth | MSpin: hmm? the png files get symlinked back to root |
| 04:01:04 | VerxHome | http://birdman.org/images/jadedbig.jpg |
| 04:01:17 | NeoTron | cool music works in IF. :) |
| 04:01:19 | kergoth | MSpin: every file on an alternate dest gets symlinked back to its corresponding location in the root dest |
| 04:01:22 | MSpin | does ipkg do the symlinks? |
| 04:01:42 | kergoth | nope |
| 04:01:45 | kergoth | oipkg/qinstall/qipkg does |
| 04:01:52 | MSpin | ahh ok |
| 04:01:56 | kergoth | unless you do a quick & dirty shell script to do it |
| 04:02:04 | kergoth | i proposed that they add it into ipkg itself |
| 04:02:06 | kergoth | but no reply |
| 04:02:08 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:02:14 | VerxHome | http://birdman.org/images/uzimagbig.jpg |
| 04:02:20 | VerxHome | treke: Most excellent |
| 04:02:24 | MSpin | it just seems like I run out of space easily on / |
| 04:02:38 | VerxHome | treke: I mean, you can use that as a quarterstaff when it is empty! |
| 04:02:43 | kergoth | well yeah, you only have like 3 megs free in flash |
| 04:03:24 | MSpin | yeah, it's strange |
| 04:03:40 | MSpin | it seems like it goes faster than they |
| 04:03:42 | MSpin | that |
| 04:03:59 | treke|ho1e | VerxHome: http://birdman.org/products/homeboy1.htm <-- my favorite |
| 04:04:05 | MSpin | but I usually get burned by downloading something to the homedir... |
| 04:04:18 | MSpin | needs to move it to /mnt/ram/home :) |
| 04:04:33 | VerxHome | OH MY GOD |
| 04:04:38 | kergoth | MSpin: symlink /root/Documents, /root/Applications, and /root/Settings onto cf, then install your *base* apps to flash, and change your default dest to ram. then dont touch the config again |
| 04:04:40 | VerxHome | treke: I am gonna email that to my father in law |
| 04:04:42 | kergoth | MSpin: thats my take on it :-) |
| 04:04:42 | VerxHome | he is gonna die |
| 04:05:27 | MSpin | yup |
| 04:06:47 | MSpin | I wish the flash on the 5500 was 32meg |
| 04:07:04 | kergoth | thatd be nifty. |
| 04:07:08 | treke|ho1e | yeah 32 seems like the sweet spot right now |
| 04:07:17 | cdm | is surprised it ins't 32M. |
| 04:07:24 | cdm | although I know why all the other PDAs are 32M. |
| 04:07:30 | kergoth | well, ram is cheaper than flash |
| 04:07:35 | kergoth | so it makes a certain amount of sense |
| 04:07:36 | cdm | PPC2002 originally called for it originally. |
| 04:08:10 | MSpin | well, it makes more sense for the sharp side because they have a ro / |
| 04:08:33 | kergoth | MSpin: how so? |
| 04:08:42 | treke|ho1e | they could have done the ms thing and given users a chunk of flash as writable |
| 04:08:48 | treke|ho1e | er the compaq thing |
| 04:09:05 | MSpin | they don't need a huge flash because users don't install apps to it |
| 04:10:20 | cdm | flash is also expensive. |
| 04:10:32 | kergoth | MSpin: well, the user can install apps to RAM just as well |
| 04:10:42 | kergoth | MSpin: the only thing you lose with ram over flash is they cant *ship* it with as much |
| 04:10:51 | kergoth | cdm: exactly |
| 04:10:53 | fusion94 | bah |
| 04:11:13 | fusion94 | anyone here using XP, the Z, and intellisync ? |
| 04:11:19 | MSpin | kergoth: exactly my point, they only need as much flash as the size of the apps they want to ship |
| 04:11:30 | kergoth | yup |
| 04:11:58 | cdm | fusion94: I am using XP, the Z and my USB CF adaptor. ;) |
| 04:16:13 | VerxHome | fusion94: I do |
| 04:18:06 | NeoTron | I always get bit by forgetting to compile with debug |
| 04:18:15 | NeoTron | it gets really slow when I do and I wonder why. :) |
| 04:20:05 | treke|ho1e | shoot ran out of juice and all my data wen cablooey |
| 04:20:35 | NeoTron | wtf. |
| 04:20:47 | kergoth | treke|ho1e: huh? |
| 04:20:49 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:21:04 | treke|ho1e | kergoth: battery dead. Memory cleared :) |
| 04:21:08 | kergoth | oh |
| 04:21:19 | kergoth | i was going to say.. wtf does orange juice have to do with your data |
| 04:21:21 | kergoth | i must be tired. |
| 04:21:24 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:21:28 | treke|ho1e | hahaha |
| 04:21:43 | kergoth | lol |
| 04:21:45 | kergoth | brb |
| 04:22:02 | NeoTron | great |
| 04:22:15 | NeoTron | when I compile with optimizations it locks up. heh. :P |
| 04:22:52 | VerxHome | oh |
| 04:22:53 | VerxHome | my |
| 04:22:54 | VerxHome | god |
| 04:22:57 | VerxHome | I have seen it all |
| 04:23:07 | VerxHome | http://www.kopes.com/computer/internet-urinal.htm |
| 04:23:12 | phatcat | ok, i am having problems flashing OZ |
| 04:23:49 | phatcat | like it seems like it's ok but then when i go to boot for the first time it doesn't do anything |
| 04:24:29 | phatcat | can anyone help me out? |
| 04:24:48 | kergoth | VerxHome: oh my |
| 04:25:01 | MSpin | are you hitting reset before replacing the battery cover and switch? |
| 04:25:02 | VerxHome | kergoth: indeed |
| 04:25:18 | phatcat | yeah |
| 04:26:15 | MSpin | phatcat: you had all 3 files on th CF card? (bootflag.txt, zImage, initrd.bin) |
| 04:26:24 | phatcat | yup |
| 04:26:38 | MSpin | what's it do when it boots? |
| 04:26:53 | VerxHome | SD Cam |
| 04:26:54 | VerxHome | heh |
| 04:27:00 | VerxHome | that will probably never work for us eh? |
| 04:27:12 | phatcat | i get the sharp screen and a cursor |
| 04:27:45 | MSpin | it's like it never flashed the kernel |
| 04:28:08 | phatcat | exactly |
| 04:28:08 | W|GGL|T | wtf is up with that guy and his music group on the zg list |
| 04:28:11 | W|GGL|T | damn spammers |
| 04:29:57 | MSpin | phatcat: you sure the kernel is called zimage? did you downlaod it with ie perhaps? |
| 04:30:09 | phatcat | yeah ie on a mac |
| 04:30:28 | MSpin | it might have downloaded it as ascii |
| 04:31:34 | phatcat | so i have to redownload it? |
| 04:33:37 | phatcat | MSpin: ?? |
| 04:36:07 | Saihung | i've searched the faqs and google and I haven't found any info about cross-compiling for the zaurus on OS X |
| 04:36:18 | Saihung | anyone hear of success doing this? |
| 04:38:32 | NeoTron | dammit, I still compiled with debug!! |
| 04:38:49 | VerxHome | neotron, may I make a suggestion? |
| 04:38:52 | burtonator | does the OZ support ext3? |
| 04:38:56 | burtonator | there is a mkfs.ext3 |
| 04:38:57 | VerxHome | compile_with_debug.sh |
| 04:39:01 | VerxHome | compile_without_debug.sh |
| 04:39:03 | NeoTron | Nah. |
| 04:39:03 | VerxHome | ducks |
| 04:39:10 | NeoTron | It's a flag in the make file |
| 04:39:18 | NeoTron | I generally don't muck up |
| 04:39:30 | NeoTron | will be fun to compare |
| 04:39:34 | NeoTron | w/o debug: 11-12 fps |
| 04:39:35 | Saihung | i've been struggling with this stupid wifi cf card |
| 04:39:44 | Saihung | for two days |
| 04:39:46 | Saihung | with no success |
| 04:39:56 | burtonator | no... isn't compiled in... |
| 04:40:05 | phatcat | MSpin: so do i have to redownload it? |
| 04:40:16 | MSpin | yes |
| 04:40:49 | phatcat | hmm... that's a problem |
| 04:41:49 | phatcat | i can't alter the file? |
| 04:42:09 | Saihung | i'm thinking that there's a bug in the prism2_cs module |
| 04:42:33 | MSpin | phatcat: what do you mean by alter? |
| 04:42:33 | Saihung | but i don't understand how wlan-ng works at all, so i'm not confident testing it |
| 04:42:34 | Onyx4 | Saihung: what kind of card and what rom you running? |
| 04:42:37 | kergoth | phatcat: if it was downloaded in ascii mode, theres nothing you can do but redownload it correctly. |
| 04:42:43 | Saihung | linksys wcf12 |
| 04:42:53 | Saihung | sharp rom 2.38 |
| 04:43:14 | Onyx4 | it should work fine, openzaurus uses prism2_hostap driver so maybe it would work better there |
| 04:43:28 | Saihung | its very strange |
| 04:43:43 | Saihung | cardmgr hangs arbitrarily |
| 04:44:05 | phatcat | it says .bin |
| 04:44:12 | Saihung | so depending on how the zaurus feels, inserting the card might bring up ready status in cardctl or busy |
| 04:44:23 | Saihung | and then i have to kill HUP cardmgr to get it working again |
| 04:44:24 | kergoth | phatcat: what says .bin? |
| 04:44:35 | NeoTron | wtf |
| 04:44:43 | kergoth | phatcat: the filename *MUST* be 'zImage' .. not zImage.txt, not zImage.bin, not *anything* else. just 'zImage' |
| 04:44:46 | NeoTron | this seems like an optimization bug or something |
| 04:45:05 | Saihung | and actually communicating over the card doesn't work at all. once it looks like it will work, the whole screen goes screwey and stays that way until i pull the card |
| 04:45:15 | NeoTron | for (int gloop=0; gloop<MAXBULLETS*2; gloop++) |
| 04:45:15 | NeoTron | { |
| 04:45:15 | NeoTron | int loop = gloop; |
| 04:45:16 | NeoTron | if (loop>MAXBULLETS) |
| 04:45:16 | NeoTron | loop -= MAXBULLETS; |
| 04:45:20 | Saihung | onyx4: i'll borrow a cf card and try OZ tomorrow |
| 04:45:30 | NeoTron | it looks like loop is a uses as a reference to gloop here |
| 04:45:35 | phatcat | i'm on a mac, the extention is always hidden |
| 04:45:51 | NeoTron | which is odd |
| 04:46:05 | Onyx4 | Saihung: it sure looks odd, never heard of something like that before |
| 04:46:15 | Saihung | yeah, can't find reference to it anywhere |
| 04:46:25 | Saihung | i wish i had a CE device to test the card with |
| 04:46:27 | W|GGL|T | if you can't get the wifi card working, OZ itself may not be for you, IMO...OZ takes a good bit of tuning and catering |
| 04:46:38 | Saihung | just to make sure the damned thing works at all |
| 04:46:43 | kergoth | well, oz will use wireless-tools, not wlan-ng |
| 04:46:47 | kergoth | doesnt trust wlan-ng |
| 04:47:04 | Saihung | kergoth: this is my first stab on wifi on linux |
| 04:47:04 | kergoth | hm, yeah, definately sleep time |
| 04:47:05 | NeoTron | fudgesickes |
| 04:47:06 | Onyx4 | I like prism2_hostap much better |
| 04:47:10 | NeoTron | this MUST be an optimization bug |
| 04:47:14 | Saihung | airport, needless to say, is much easier |
| 04:47:19 | phatcat | the fact that it was downloaded as zImage-20-12 |
| 04:47:20 | W|GGL|T | everyone using that make of card have the same problems? |
| 04:47:23 | phatcat | is that the problem? |
| 04:47:30 | kergoth`zzz | phatcat: *RENAME* it to zImage |
| 04:47:31 | Saihung | not that i can find |
| 04:47:37 | kergoth`zzz | phatcat: and go back and read the INSTALL and FAQ again. |
| 04:47:41 | phatcat | ok |
| 04:47:46 | Saihung | the discussion groups indicate that prism2_cs should work fine |
| 04:47:49 | Saihung | but not for me |
| 04:47:51 | kergoth`zzz | phatcat: this is all fully documented |
| 04:47:57 | kergoth`zzz | okay im out. later all |
| 04:47:59 | Saihung | this might be a newer minor reviison |
| 04:48:03 | Saihung | card, that is |
| 04:48:03 | W|GGL|T | later kergoth |
| 04:49:04 | phatcat | well then, now that i've just gotten bitchslapped by kergoth... |
| 04:49:07 | W|GGL|T | my dlink was pretty much plugNplay |
| 04:49:14 | Saihung | hmm |
| 04:49:19 | Saihung | the price was too good to be true |
| 04:49:36 | Saihung | everything here is usually v. expensive, so i saw it in the store and the mailing lists suggested that it would work |
| 04:49:38 | Saihung | mistake, as always |
| 04:49:40 | Saihung | :) |
| 04:49:44 | W|GGL|T | where you at? |
| 04:49:49 | Saihung | hawaii |
| 04:49:53 | W|GGL|T | ah |
| 04:50:11 | Onyx4 | the WCF12 is fairly new and the sharp wlan-ng might not be recent enough |
| 04:50:19 | Saihung | that's what i'm thinking |
| 04:50:23 | Saihung | i have the source for wlan-ng |
| 04:50:32 | Saihung | but without a cross compiler for os x i can't do anything with it |
| 04:50:45 | Saihung | not to say that i might be able to do anything with it anyway |
| 04:50:47 | NeoTron | tries a bug workaroun |
| 04:51:06 | phatcat | saihung: os x user here, you format your cf cards on your mac? |
| 04:51:14 | Saihung | not using cf cards |
| 04:51:27 | Saihung | i've been using virtualpc to flash the rom so far |
| 04:51:30 | Saihung | without incident |
| 04:51:34 | Saihung | and MMC cards for the rest |
| 04:51:40 | phatcat | ah i see |
| 04:51:41 | Saihung | since that's what i have on hand |
| 04:52:16 | Saihung | phatcat: is it even possible to cross-compile under os x? |
| 04:52:21 | Saihung | for zaurus, i mean |
| 04:52:34 | phatcat | i have no idea |
| 04:52:45 | Saihung | there's only one page that i've found that even mentions it |
| 04:52:46 | phatcat | i want to be able to have ext2 formats |
| 04:52:51 | Saihung | his answer: no |
| 04:53:05 | NeoTron | there, now it works and it's "fast". |
| 04:53:15 | NeoTron | now to figure out how to do fps limiting |
| 04:53:33 | Saihung | i'll probably just install a bare mandrake image under VPC or something |
| 04:53:41 | Saihung | now where's my mandrake install cd.... |
| 04:53:46 | Saihung | in delaware. oops. |
| 04:53:46 | NeoTron | the pocket pc code uses Sleep but unfortunately the best resolution for sleeping I can get on the Zaurus is like 20 ms |
| 04:54:04 | MSpin | usleep? |
| 04:54:21 | NeoTron | nah, to sleep 20 ms you need select. usleep has a resolution of 50 ms (!) |
| 04:54:56 | NeoTron | the only REAL solution is /dev/rtc |
| 04:55:07 | MSpin | ya |
| 04:55:18 | NeoTron | I think I will use /dev/rtc |
| 04:55:23 | NeoTron | /etc/rc.d/init.d/atd stop |
| 04:55:28 | NeoTron | in the beginning and |
| 04:55:31 | NeoTron | /etc/rc.d/init.d/atd start |
| 04:55:33 | NeoTron | when exiting |
| 04:55:35 | NeoTron | nice eh? :) |
| 04:55:43 | MSpin | atd usesu rtc? |
| 04:55:43 | Saihung | ok, time for more chinese philosophy |
| 04:55:45 | Saihung | thanks guys |
| 04:55:45 | MSpin | uses |
| 04:59:40 | burtonator | What is this whole illegal seek message on ipkg install |
| 05:06:14 | NeoTron | MSpin: indeed it does |
| 05:08:18 | MSpin | ahh |
| 05:08:20 | NeoTron | works very nicely now |
| 05:08:23 | MSpin | burtonator: good question |
| 05:12:33 | burtonator | MSpin: you get it to? |
| 05:12:36 | MSpin | ya |
| 05:12:51 | burtonator | it also says ERROR which makes me think that the package isn't installed. |
| 05:26:33 | W|GGL|T | is away: I'm busy or asleep |
| 05:28:03 | Onyx4 | lol check this out http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2042049425 |
| 05:28:22 | Onyx4 | look at the picture |
| 05:30:04 | NeoTron | cool. IF actually doesn't use 100% CU |
| 05:30:15 | NeoTron | all the time that is |
| 05:32:30 | Wembly | CU? |
| 05:33:22 | burtonator | great... qpe dumped core while installing a bunch of packages |
| 05:34:13 | Onyx4 | yeah that happens |
| 05:34:24 | Onyx4 | if you had a fairly old opie |
| 05:34:56 | burtonator | no... I upgraded it. |
| 05:35:10 | burtonator | now I think I am having the same problems I had before :( |
| 05:35:12 | burtonator | great! :( |
| 05:35:22 | Onyx4 | when was last time you upgraded? |
| 05:35:34 | Onyx4 | because I think it was fixed around august 29th |
| 05:35:57 | burtonator | I just reflash, installed the latest ipkg, opie-oipkg, did an ipkg upgrade... |
| 05:36:09 | burtonator | ... then I tried to install the additional packages I require. |
| 05:36:36 | Onyx4 | I see... yeah I think we're due to get a new initrd :) |
| 05:36:58 | Onyx4 | upgrading from a more recent OZ feed to the latest doesn't cause it anymore |
| 05:37:19 | Onyx4 | but I think upgrading from the original initrd does it for me at least |
| 05:38:20 | burtonator | yeah... this probably needs to happen. |
| 05:39:47 | | jasonnj was last seen on #zaurus 2 days, 9 hours, 44 minutes and 57 seconds ago, saying: heartburn city. [Fri Sep 6 20:54:50 2002] |
| 05:39:47 | Onyx4 | ibot: seen jasonnj |
| 06:00:09 | burtonator | anyone notice that the new konq package-ful doesn't install any icon??? |
| 06:10:01 | burtonator | hm.. with an sdcard what is the best way to continually rewrite about 40M? |
| 06:10:23 | burtonator | should I setup a dedicated partitioN and continually mkfs it instead of doing an 'rm -f' ? |
| 06:10:28 | burtonator | er 'rm -rf' |
| 06:17:16 | Onyx4 | I noticed the thing about konq full with no icon |
| 06:17:33 | Onyx4 | it's in pics/konqueror/ instead |
| 06:21:48 | NeoTron | ah well, no IF beta or demo today |
| 06:21:58 | Onyx4 | IF? |
| 06:22:05 | NeoTron | Interstellar Flames |
| 06:22:16 | Onyx4 | do you have a url? |
| 06:22:29 | NeoTron | http://www.xengames.com/ |
| 06:23:20 | burtonator | do I have to cp the file somewhere? |
| 06:23:58 | Onyx4 | maybe cp it to just pics/ |
| 06:24:10 | Onyx4 | I haven't tried it, not sure if that is the icon actually or something else |
| 06:24:20 | NeoTron | is away: sleep |
| 06:24:23 | Onyx4 | then restart opie |
| 06:25:05 | Onyx4 | wow this IF looks graphic intensive |
| 06:32:15 | burtonator | I had to ln to it from pics... I think that did it... |
| 06:33:38 | burtonator | yup... that did it.... just needed to restart o |
| 06:33:43 | burtonator | er opie |
| 06:41:08 | ntropy | hey |
| 06:41:26 | ntropy | anyone true to use QUrlOperator (or other network ops) under qpe? |
| 06:52:29 | burtonator | Where is the script used to make the Packages file in the OZ feed? |
| 06:52:36 | burtonator | I want to make my own feed with misc stuff. |
| 06:53:55 | Onyx4 | I have it here |
| 06:54:06 | Onyx4 | i found it somewhere, I think in the howtos |
| 06:54:11 | | well, howtos is at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ |
| 06:54:11 | Onyx4 | ibot: howtos |
| 06:54:28 | Onyx4 | http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/feed_howto.shtml |
| 06:54:30 | Onyx4 | there we go |
| 06:55:36 | Onyx4 | is encoding fast&furious for Zaurus :) |
| 06:55:38 | ntropy | damnit |
| 06:55:46 | ntropy | why did they remove all the network stuff from qpe |
| 06:56:12 | fusion94 | ntropy: heh...issues ? |
| 06:56:57 | ntropy | fusion94: well, i was working on using QUrlOperator to fetch an xml doc |
| 06:57:06 | ntropy | but it seems that all of the network class were removed in qpe |
| 06:57:34 | ntropy | my choise are to 1) shell out to wget 2) compile the network classes into a lib of their own |
| 06:57:38 | ntropy | i may just do 2 |
| 06:57:47 | ntropy | because they'd be quite useful |
| 06:58:48 | ntropy | fusion94: suggestions? |
| 06:59:24 | fusion94 | #2 is the best route to go |
| 06:59:30 | ntropy | yeah |
| 06:59:43 | ntropy | because then i can have progress bar feedback |
| 06:59:49 | fusion94 | #1 assumes that wget is installed, and creates a separate dependency |
| 06:59:56 | fusion94 | heh |
| 07:00:07 | ntropy | yeah, though, wget is install default |
| 07:00:13 | ntropy | and the Package Manager uses it |
| 07:00:13 | fusion94 | dependecy is the issue |
| 07:00:17 | ntropy | (oddly enough) |
| 07:00:24 | fusion94 | is it default in OZ as well ? |
| 07:00:24 | ntropy | true |
| 07:00:30 | ntropy | not sure |
| 07:00:37 | fusion94 | me either |
| 07:00:40 | fusion94 | i'd assume so |
| 07:00:43 | fusion94 | but..... |
| 07:00:50 | ntropy | but it's still icky. |
| 07:00:54 | fusion94 | less dependencies is always better |
| 07:00:58 | ntropy | yeah |
| 07:01:19 | ntropy | they left a bunch of odd things out of libqpe |
| 07:01:40 | fusion94 | yep |
| 07:01:42 | fusion94 | they did... |
| 07:15:17 | tweek | are there any media players for the Z that can play OGG? |
| 07:15:35 | tweek | (and don't cost money like that tkc one?) |
| 07:19:59 | Wembly | tweek: yes |
| 07:20:05 | Wembly | tweek: but i dunno what they are |
| 07:20:24 | tweek | Wembly: ok, but the fact that there are helps, thanks |
| 07:20:32 | Wembly | and there is a integer based decoder as well. |
| 07:20:39 | Wembly | well |
| 07:20:42 | Wembly | i dont recall what they are. |
| 07:21:03 | Wembly | anyhow |
| 07:21:04 | Wembly | bibi |
| 07:21:49 | tweek | "integer based"? is that versus floating point based, and thus faser? |
| 07:21:54 | tweek | *faster |
| 07:22:57 | burtonator | this is sweet... my OZ is rock solid now. |
| 07:23:08 | burtonator | I think I found the magic dust needed for a clean install ;) |
| 07:28:06 | Onyx4 | yeah mine is pretty stable too with the latest feed |
| 07:41:28 | burtonator | there isn't any way to speed up SD IO is there? |
| 07:41:52 | burtonator | I am writing an AvantoGo style offline news package and I need to mirror about 20M to the Zaurus. |
| 07:42:00 | burtonator | It would be nice to avoid using the CF |
| 07:43:19 | tweek | does anyone know how i can hide my SD card from the Documents tab? |
| 07:43:29 | burtonator | I do! |
| 07:43:40 | tweek | burtonator: :) can you tell me? |
| 07:43:41 | burtonator | install medium mount |
| 07:43:46 | burtonator | then disable the SD card |
| 07:43:56 | burtonator | actually I disable it for everything... |
| 07:44:05 | tweek | install medium mount? huh? |
| 07:44:15 | burtonator | I still think it execs find on the SD so it takes a performance hit. |
| 07:44:26 | burtonator | The only reason I did it is cause I hate the performance hit. |
| 07:45:17 | tweek | how do i do what you're talking about though? |
| 07:47:24 | burtonator | huh? |
| 07:47:29 | burtonator | are you running OZ? |
| 07:47:39 | burtonator | go to the package manager and intall opie-medium-mount |
| 07:47:48 | burtonator | then it will appear on the 'settings' tabl |
| 07:48:00 | tweek | no, this is the regular sharp rom |
| 07:48:14 | burtonator | hm... |
| 07:48:28 | burtonator | well.. see if opie-medium-mount from the OZ installs on your OZ |
| 07:48:41 | tweek | ok |
| 07:49:07 | burtonator | also.. there is a file called medium.conf somewhere. |
| 07:49:18 | burtonator | if you say global=0 I think this will disable it. |
| 07:49:23 | burtonator | it is ini file style. |
| 07:49:53 | tweek | ok |
| 07:57:55 | burtonator | which evolution sync util should I use? |
| 08:12:42 | burtonator | is there an ftpd for the z? |
| 08:12:54 | burtonator | the guy that wrote zesync assumes I am running an SSHD. |
| 08:20:59 | burtonator | say my Zaurus has 64M of ram... if I create a 32M ramdisk, and use 0M of it, can apps still allocate 64M of memory? |
| 08:24:21 | sig | http://laer.nu/life.php |
| 08:57:10 | fusion94 | is away: napping |
| 09:37:47 | Speedy2 | re |
| 10:31:58 | Hironimo | hi. i have just recieved my zaurus and installed the rom update. now i cant access ftp anymore, even when connected over usb. |
| 10:35:03 | kolla | Hironimo: you see? they fixed the security issues :) |
| 10:36:43 | Hironimo | i know. but i understood that now it wound not be accessible from outside |
| 10:36:54 | Hironimo | but it is also not accessible from the inside |
| 10:37:58 | Hironimo | the syncronisation works via ftp and so syncronisation does not work anymore either (with the software that comes on the cd) |
| 10:44:02 | Hironimo | so how can i flash the old rom again? |
| 10:44:21 | ljp | why not just dl the updated qtopiadesktop? |
| 10:45:08 | Hironimo | oh, it works with that? |
| 10:45:45 | ljp | I think |
| 10:45:54 | ljp | 1.6 beta |
| 10:46:05 | Hironimo | where to get it best? |
| 10:46:28 | ljp | ftp://ftp.trolltech.com |
| 10:46:40 | ljp | but it only syncs through usb |
| 10:47:25 | Hironimo | thats ok. but i still want ftp. so if it doesnt work at all with the latest rom i'm going to the previous version |
| 10:49:19 | ljp | ftp is how sync works, but in the sharp rom, they closed it off to everything but the usb connection |
| 10:51:47 | Hironimo | ok. so why does it not work when I have it connected via usb? |
| 10:52:03 | Hironimo | cause thats currently the only way i can connect it |
| 11:20:41 | Harlekin | hi * |
| 11:39:55 | chayim | is back and ready for action. |
| 11:53:02 | | Something failed in connecting to the ZSI web server. Try again later. |
| 11:53:02 | darienm | ibot search zsi for appletmanager |
| 11:53:05 | | AppletManager 1.0 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=464 |
| 11:53:05 | darienm | ibot search zsi for appletmanager |
| 11:55:19 | Harlekin | takes the TT appletmanager |
| 11:58:53 | darienm | TT ? |
| 11:59:00 | darienm | Oh yeah |
| 11:59:04 | darienm | show it to me... |
| 11:59:13 | Harlekin | will appear this week in opie cvs |
| 11:59:20 | darienm | uh huh, vaporware. |
| 11:59:27 | Harlekin | allong with the laucher config tool |
| 11:59:32 | Harlekin | darienm: i dont care what you call it |
| 11:59:48 | Harlekin | we currently move the qt2.3.4 |
| 11:59:55 | Harlekin | afterwards |
| 12:02:10 | chayim | Harlekin : the problem with appletmanager is that it looks like I'll have to reboot my Z just to change applets. |
| 12:02:30 | Harlekin | chayim: with which one |
| 12:02:41 | darienm | not a reboot of the hardware, just a reload of qpe/opie -- same thing that happens after you install software. |
| 12:02:48 | phatcat | what packages/libraries do i need to install konqueror on OZ? |
| 12:03:07 | darienm | also the same thing that happens after using tabmanager. |
| 12:03:17 | bipolar | Hello everyone. |
| 12:03:45 | darienm | phatcat: there is a konq. ipkg |
| 12:03:50 | | bookmark_starter 0.1 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=335 |
| 12:03:51 | | Konqueror/Embedded >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=39 |
| 12:03:51 | darienm | ibot search zsi for konq |
| 12:04:24 | phatcat | that's it? no libraries? |
| 12:04:52 | darienm | correct |
| 12:05:02 | darienm | just download and install the most recent .ipk. |
| 12:05:09 | darienm | whatever it needs is in there. |
| 12:05:55 | Harlekin | phatcat: please use konq from oz feed |
| 12:05:58 | Harlekin | others will not work |
| 12:06:14 | darienm | I believe the info on the ZSI page says that also. |
| 12:06:14 | phatcat | so the one off of killefiz.de? |
| 12:06:32 | | oz3 feed is at http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/3.0/ |
| 12:06:32 | darienm | ibot oz3 feed |
| 12:06:36 | darienm | Get if from there. |
| 12:14:46 | imm | hi |
| 12:26:26 | chayim | Harlekin : which what? Don't you have to reboot the Z in between turning applets on and off? |
| 12:26:46 | Harlekin | only qpe |
| 12:26:49 | Harlekin | restart |
| 12:47:43 | quenda | hi |
| 12:48:31 | quenda | anyone here ? |
| 12:49:52 | bipolar | awfully quiet in here..... |
| 12:49:57 | chouimat|coffee | morning |
| 12:50:21 | bipolar | 'morning chouimat|coffee |
| 12:50:28 | tux_mike | blah |
| 12:50:33 | | warmi was last seen on #zaurus 2 days, 22 hours, 58 minutes and 40 seconds ago, saying: tux_mike:" I recently bought 80 GB IDE at Circuit City for about $70 or so [Fri Sep 6 14:51:53 2002] |
| 12:50:33 | jbardin | ibot seen warmi |
| 12:50:41 | | benmeyer was last seen on #zaurus 2 days, 16 hours, 58 minutes and 53 seconds ago, saying: later [Fri Sep 6 20:51:48 2002] |
| 12:50:41 | jbardin | ibot seen benmeyer |
| 12:52:08 | quenda | Has anyone else had troubles compiling java for the Z ? |
| 12:53:31 | quenda | specifically java.lang.ClassFormatError type errors |
| 13:02:26 | XavierXeon | W|GGL|T: ping |
| 13:06:44 | Hironimo | hi there. i just before installed ssh added the deamon to initd.conf and added the ttya's to securetty, when i connect via putty a window shows up for a second but wanishes again. what's wrong? |
| 13:08:48 | XavierXeon | haev you tried "ssh localhost" on your zaurus ? |
| 13:09:32 | Hironimo | not yet. one moment |
| 13:10:13 | imm | chouimat|coffee: hi |
| 13:10:17 | imm | chouimat|coffee: news ? |
| 13:10:38 | chouimat|coffee | imm: nope |
| 13:11:05 | Hironimo | it tells: Could not create directory '/root/.ssh/'. ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host |
| 13:11:46 | XavierXeon | you installed the ipk ? |
| 13:12:59 | Hironimo | yes |
| 13:13:06 | XavierXeon | get the newer tar.gz file and install that instead, it works better. (or you have to change /etc/passswd to make your home dir /home/root) |
| 13:14:00 | Hironimo | oh. so it would work if i edited /etc/passwd ? |
| 13:14:20 | XavierXeon | it should. i never tried it though |
| 13:14:30 | Hironimo | and if i would install the tar.gz, how to? |
| 13:15:11 | XavierXeon | get it from zaurus.sourceforge.net and unpack it on the z. then run the install script |
| 13:16:46 | Hironimo | aha. i can delete the directory where i unpacked it to after installingß |
| 13:16:47 | Hironimo | ? |
| 13:16:56 | XavierXeon | yes |
| 13:18:01 | tux_mike | hrm... they say ogg 128kbps is almost comparible with uncompressed audio... interesting |
| 13:18:37 | Hironimo | nah, cant believe that. |
| 13:18:44 | Hironimo | near cd quality |
| 13:18:55 | Hironimo | still way from the original uncompressed |
| 13:20:06 | XavierXeon | well if the sound on the cd is bad you will not notice the difference :) |
| 13:21:13 | Harlekin | darienm: hey, btw, opie restart is not needed |
| 13:21:18 | Harlekin | forgot to mention before |
| 13:21:45 | Hironimo | maybe, but technically bad sound is still made worse. |
| 13:22:34 | tux_mike | i wish that iomega actually put out a hipzip firmware that supports ogg |
| 13:24:07 | ljp_work | opie-restart is for developers like me who restart opie very often ;) |
| 13:24:42 | Harlekin | ljp_work: i ment in his "applet setting app" |
| 13:26:14 | ljp_work | ahh |
| 13:26:51 | Harlekin | ljp_work: he restart qpe at the end to apply the setting |
| 13:26:52 | Harlekin | s |
| 13:26:54 | Harlekin | thats not needed |
| 13:27:42 | whardier | poop |
| 13:27:43 | whardier | on |
| 13:27:43 | whardier | a |
| 13:27:43 | whardier | stick |
| 13:28:07 | tux_mike | whardier: it's crap on a stick. get it right |
| 13:28:21 | whardier | crap |
| 13:28:21 | whardier | on |
| 13:28:22 | whardier | a |
| 13:28:23 | whardier | tux_mike |
| 13:28:27 | tux_mike | no |
| 13:28:34 | whardier | so sorryu |
| 13:28:46 | tux_mike | hits wharder around with an old 21" monitor |
| 13:29:01 | whardier | defends with a 19inch |
| 13:29:05 | whardier | its not the size that counts |
| 13:29:08 | whardier | its how you parry with it |
| 13:29:56 | tux_mike | counters with a projector |
| 13:30:00 | ljp_work | slams a 56" tv on both |
| 13:30:06 | whardier | :( |
| 13:30:09 | tux_mike | ha ha. mine's brighter |
| 13:30:18 | whardier | heh! |
| 13:30:20 | Harlekin | ljp_work: take big boss tv |
| 13:30:21 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 13:30:34 | ljp_work | supposedly, he sold that |
| 13:30:37 | whardier | all we need is love!!! |
| 13:30:49 | tux_mike | grabs the vorbis 1.0 release |
| 13:31:19 | ljp_work | love? whats that? |
| 13:33:28 | | If you love <insert item> so much, why don't you marry it |
| 13:33:28 | treke|home | ibot, love? |
| 13:33:55 | whardier | I love all |
| 13:34:06 | whardier | and I need a shower.. or else all won't love me |
| 13:34:14 | treke|home | that you do |
| 13:34:22 | tux_mike | i love vanilla coke. and i love it more when it's made with vanilla twist :) |
| 13:34:36 | whardier | I have massive amounts of vanilla coke ATM |
| 13:34:49 | tux_mike | made with vanilla twist? |
| 13:35:02 | whardier | twist? |
| 13:35:07 | tux_mike | smirnoff |
| 13:35:11 | whardier | no |
| 13:35:12 | whardier | heh |
| 13:35:13 | tux_mike | damn |
| 13:35:21 | whardier | this is the stuff you buy for kiddies |
| 13:35:24 | tux_mike | it's better that way :) |
| 13:35:31 | whardier | I have had it that way a lot |
| 13:35:44 | whardier | I don't dig it as much |
| 13:35:53 | whardier | I have never had vanilla coke w/ vanilla vodka |
| 13:36:32 | tux_mike | you use regular coke, and mix in vanilla vodka. about 2 oz per 10oz of coke (to get the right flavor) |
| 13:38:12 | whardier | tux_mike: ok.. |
| 13:38:23 | whardier | I usually don't like that highly carbonated of drinks |
| 13:38:24 | whardier | heh |
| 13:38:41 | whardier | its a pain to chug in a hurry.. |
| 13:38:43 | whardier | heh |
| 13:38:53 | whardier | always think advantagiously.. |
| 13:39:02 | whardier | hugs a cat |
| 13:39:04 | tux_mike | i don't chug alcohol. |
| 13:39:08 | tux_mike | i savor it :) |
| 13:39:11 | whardier | because of my actions my cat is now safe |
| 13:39:26 | whardier | tux_mike I do to.. but not with vodka bubbles pouring up my nose |
| 13:39:36 | Harlekin | darienm: so if you need help on it tell me .-) |
| 13:39:59 | tux_mike | vodka bubbles? |
| 13:40:26 | whardier | tux_mike: well not bubbles.. heh.. coke does fizz y'know.. unless your coke comes flat |
| 13:41:08 | whardier | jmhodhes fizzes as well. |
| 13:41:12 | tux_mike | well, yah, but if you don't swallow any air with your drink, you won't have any problems (your stomach can handle a small amount of gas buildup) |
| 13:41:52 | whardier | but carbonated drinks come w/ air |
| 13:41:52 | whardier | hehe |
| 13:42:04 | whardier | do you sip it so slightly that you avoid all carbonation? |
| 13:42:29 | tux_mike | yes, but most people's stomachs can handle the carbonation that comes out. |
| 13:42:41 | whardier | :) |
| 13:42:43 | tux_mike | i can drink a whole can of soda normally without burping |
| 13:42:55 | tux_mike | taking 1/4 to 1/2 oz sips |
| 13:42:58 | whardier | I was mainly talking about the fizz coming up from the surface of the drink and going up your nose :) |
| 13:43:18 | tux_mike | that? use a little ice |
| 13:43:22 | tux_mike | that takes care of it |
| 13:43:31 | whardier | bah |
| 13:43:31 | whardier | I hate ice! |
| 13:43:36 | whardier | it flattens the drink! |
| 13:43:53 | whardier | anyhoot.. its a no win situation. :) |
| 13:43:57 | tux_mike | well, then, use a sipper top |
| 13:44:03 | whardier | it all just comes down to bad childhood memories |
| 13:44:04 | tux_mike | or make it in a can :) |
| 13:44:56 | whardier | I found a dvd rip of Spirited Away.. I had a screen rip that sucked |
| 13:45:09 | whardier | only problem is the dvd rip comes in two parts.. and I cannot find the other one :( |
| 13:45:26 | tux_mike | audio and video? |
| 13:45:46 | whardier | no |
| 13:45:50 | whardier | cd1 and cd2 |
| 13:45:59 | tux_mike | half and half, then? |
| 13:46:06 | whardier | basically |
| 13:46:13 | ljp_work | rips a loud one |
| 13:46:20 | whardier | I just did the same |
| 13:46:46 | whardier | I just wanna stop!!! |
| 13:46:49 | whardier | and thank you baby!!! |
| 13:46:55 | whardier | blah! |
| 13:48:09 | whardier | I am all worried |
| 13:48:21 | tux_mike | why? |
| 13:48:25 | whardier | I gave netflix back a DVD a while ago.. like 9 days ago |
| 13:48:34 | whardier | and they apparently have not recieved it |
| 13:48:48 | tux_mike | did you insure the shipment? |
| 13:48:54 | whardier | ? |
| 13:49:09 | whardier | ever had netflix? |
| 13:49:50 | tux_mike | did you ship it with the option "Yes, if you, the post office, fuck up and lose this or break it or whatever, you pay me back for it god damnit!" |
| 13:50:05 | whardier | uhm |
| 13:50:08 | ljp_work | oh, netflix is for hix |
| 13:50:40 | whardier | netflix gives you this little envelope for standard mail.. I didn't think I would wanna waste the time to go to the post office every few days I have one of their dvds to send back |
| 13:51:03 | tux_mike | well, do they insure it? |
| 13:51:14 | whardier | do you think I have ever talked to a person there? |
| 13:51:17 | whardier | heh |
| 13:51:26 | tux_mike | well, maybe you should. |
| 13:51:31 | whardier | MAYBE HUH! |
| 13:51:48 | whardier | timestamps tux_mike!! |
| 13:51:51 | whardier | take that! |
| 13:51:59 | whardier | the wild fury of the Epoch is against you! |
| 13:52:13 | tux_mike | bah. i fear no epoch |
| 13:52:18 | whardier | heh |
| 13:52:46 | whardier | fear my kitty |
| 13:52:51 | whardier | *lick* |
| 13:52:52 | whardier | *lick* |
| 13:52:53 | whardier | *lick* |
| 13:53:02 | tux_mike | no. you should fear my cats |
| 13:53:11 | whardier | heh |
| 13:53:16 | chouimat|coffee | whardier: mine is more lovely |
| 13:53:21 | whardier | NO SIR! |
| 13:53:33 | whardier | I have the abombidably cute cat |
| 13:53:46 | whardier | this is one gay conversation |
| 13:53:56 | chouimat|coffee | whardier: hehehe |
| 13:54:16 | tux_mike | my cats will go insane in your presence and will therefore drive you insane |
| 13:54:17 | whardier | anyhoot.. I have three cats.. two skinny and cute.. one fat and a brute.. |
| 13:54:34 | whardier | the fat one likes to make people think he owns their knees |
| 13:54:39 | chouimat|coffee | whardier: mine is a kitten |
| 13:54:53 | whardier | I have 2 ever kittens |
| 13:55:04 | chouimat|coffee | whardier: 3 months |
| 13:55:05 | whardier | Emma and Mia |
| 13:55:08 | whardier | daughter and mom |
| 13:55:23 | chouimat|coffee | whardier: mine is named Bob |
| 13:55:30 | whardier | daughter is a year old.. and about as big as she was 5 months ago |
| 13:55:39 | whardier | same with the mom when she was 5-6 months |
| 13:55:46 | imm | whardier: bonsai kitten ? |
| 13:55:49 | whardier | almost |
| 13:55:54 | whardier | just little cats |
| 13:56:02 | whardier | ninja stealth kitties |
| 13:56:08 | whardier | they can do the neko washi dashi |
| 13:56:22 | whardier | emma is freaky |
| 13:56:33 | ciaolinux | imm: any news about the Z? |
| 13:56:35 | imm | whardier: you could make funny things with them: http://www.bonsaikitten.com/ |
| 13:56:46 | whardier | she has a 5 foot vertical |
| 13:56:47 | chouimat|coffee | whardier: mine eat a chip bag in about a 5 minutes |
| 13:57:03 | whardier | chouimat|coffee !! haha.. my fat kitty can do that |
| 13:57:22 | whardier | rather |
| 13:57:25 | whardier | bag of chips |
| 13:57:31 | imm | ciaolinux: nope, nothing :( |
| 13:57:41 | whardier | he is a flippin fatso |
| 13:57:41 | tux_mike | one of my two cats can find the catnip /anywhere/ in the house |
| 13:57:59 | whardier | I found a glass catnip "wineglass" style container |
| 13:58:03 | darienm | Harlekin: If a qpe/opie restart is not needed, then what is the recommended way to force the taskbar to refresh (and works with both enabling and disabling applets) ? |
| 13:58:11 | whardier | it is overly frustraiting to MAx |
| 13:58:28 | whardier | because I always test him with catnip and he thinks this is a test |
| 13:58:48 | ciaolinux | imm: it has been more than 10 days... the email was saying that in this case we should contact them |
| 13:58:48 | whardier | putting a pint glass upside down over a glass of catnip |
| 13:58:54 | whardier | err |
| 13:58:58 | whardier | over a pile of catnip |
| 13:59:02 | chouimat|coffee | whardier: the only problem I have with bob it's I can't leave a bottle of beer when he's near |
| 13:59:08 | Harlekin | darienm: a qcop call to reloadApplets |
| 13:59:14 | whardier | chouimat|coffee likes to knock them over? |
| 13:59:30 | chouimat|coffee | whardier: no drink them |
| 13:59:39 | whardier | stout kitty? |
| 13:59:48 | chouimat|coffee | whardier: yup |
| 13:59:51 | whardier | heh |
| 14:00:04 | whardier | basically max is addicted to pringles |
| 14:00:07 | imm | ciaolinux: mine does not say something about contact them |
| 14:00:22 | whardier | which is funny cause his head is to fat nowadays to fit in the pringles can |
| 14:00:55 | whardier | my little ninja kitty often sits on my lap and I forget she is there |
| 14:01:02 | whardier | so I will stand up and hear a plop |
| 14:01:04 | ciaolinux | imm: you are right... bad memory! it just says that there will be an extension! :-( |
| 14:01:14 | whardier | she is soo light |
| 14:01:40 | | Sniper was last seen on #bzflag 5 hours, 1 minutes and 48 seconds ago, saying: ducati 59999 [Mon Sep 9 09:59:52 2002] |
| 14:01:40 | imm | ibot seen Sniper |
| 14:02:13 | whardier | anyhoot |
| 14:02:14 | whardier | shower |
| 14:02:22 | extremis | new oz release yet? |
| 14:02:30 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 14:04:58 | W|GGL|T | is back (gone 08:38:23) |
| 14:06:13 | warmi | hi |
| 14:06:34 | tux_mike | hey warmi |
| 14:07:01 | | xavierxeon was last seen on #zaurus 46 minutes and 55 seconds ago, saying: well if the sound on the cd is bad you will not notice the difference :) [Mon Sep 9 14:20:06 2002] |
| 14:07:01 | W|GGL|T | ibot seen xavierxeon |
| 14:07:25 | warmi | what's going on ? |
| 14:07:27 | tux_mike | warmi: any news, because i need a new video card now :) |
| 14:07:46 | warmi | well, he said he would contact you directly |
| 14:08:06 | tux_mike | yah, i haven't heard anything yet. :) |
| 14:08:16 | warmi | but I will check in a "a while we are at it " way :-) |
| 14:08:29 | tux_mike | i just hope they haven't lost my resume or something :) |
| 14:09:22 | warmi | send it again to me .. just in case they won't be able to find it |
| 14:09:27 | warmi | wrawdanik@tribune.com |
| 14:09:36 | tux_mike | that and i need this laptop more than ever. NWN is starting to hurt my "social life" :) |
| 14:10:18 | tux_mike | warmi: sure thing. as soon as my network connection to my system that has the file becomes unsaturated :) |
| 14:10:37 | tux_mike | hey jason |
| 14:10:40 | warmi | what are you doing there ? |
| 14:10:45 | warmi | downloading ISO images ? |
| 14:10:52 | tux_mike | downloading many source rpms |
| 14:10:59 | tux_mike | never downloads isos |
| 14:11:09 | tux_mike | if i need linux i get the files :) |
| 14:11:16 | NeoTron | is away: work |
| 14:11:24 | JasonNJ | morning |
| 14:11:39 | tux_mike | it's easier to do the newtork installs that way |
| 14:12:11 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin everyone |
| 14:12:13 | warmi | yeah .. since I got my DSL connection I spent less on the books |
| 14:12:20 | chouimat|coffee | hi JasonNJ Cloudchaser |
| 14:12:24 | warmi | toons of stuff is readily available on the net |
| 14:12:24 | numatrix | Nice; ZSI is goign to get slashdotted... |
| 14:12:43 | Cloudchaser | hey JasonNJ: is there any word on a modified serial cable for the z? |
| 14:12:56 | numatrix | Cloudchaser: excellent question, I'd like to know as well. |
| 14:13:00 | Cloudchaser | or any way to get a connector? |
| 14:13:03 | warmi | numatrix: well , isn't that a secret dream of any webmaster ? |
| 14:13:13 | warmi | to have his site slashdotted |
| 14:13:22 | tux_mike | modified serial cable? |
| 14:13:24 | numatrix | warmi: Actually, I'd think not. Not when killefiz is paying for overage bandwidth and trying to set up mirrors. :-0 |
| 14:13:30 | JasonNJ | cloud: yeah, we are currently working on getting one out. |
| 14:13:32 | Cloudchaser | one that lets you open your keyboard on the z |
| 14:13:38 | Cloudchaser | JasonNJ: any eta? |
| 14:13:43 | JasonNJ | dunno yet. |
| 14:13:50 | warmi | numatrix: obh, in that case I would agree |
| 14:13:51 | Cloudchaser | you had mentioned it a couple months ago that you were working on one |
| 14:13:55 | | Slashdot - Updated 2002-09-09 15:06:00 | Zaurus Sync Software (Finally) Available for Linux | BBC Hails "fair" Microsoft XP SP1 | UT 2003 Client For Linux? | Bruce Perens Canned by HP |
| 14:13:55 | numatrix | ibot: slashdot |
| 14:14:00 | tux_mike | numatrix: why is ZSI to be /.ed? |
| 14:14:06 | numatrix | tux_mike: :-) See above. |
| 14:14:11 | tux_mike | ugh |
| 14:14:12 | warmi | tux: check www.slashdot.org |
| 14:14:21 | JasonNJ | zaurus sync FINALLY? |
| 14:14:26 | JasonNJ | its been out since day 1 |
| 14:14:34 | tux_mike | warmi: but i don't want to... trolls live there |
| 14:14:43 | Hironimo | when i install ssh from sourceforge, do i need to install any orther program (ie, is zlib and ssl already there?) |
| 14:15:09 | warmi | numatrix: he should move zsi to sharp sponsored site ( if it is possible) |
| 14:15:26 | warmi | unless, of course, he want's to make it a commercial enterprise |
| 14:15:53 | Cloudchaser | JasonNJ: : hehe what's up with that. the 1.5 version of qtdesktop has been out since the beginning |
| 14:16:03 | Cloudchaser | and 1.6 has been out for a few weeks |
| 14:16:11 | Cloudchaser | and still in beta at that |
| 14:16:52 | numatrix | warmi: We've got a US mirror set up, we're just working on how to replicate the data quickly and efficiently. |
| 14:17:09 | W|GGL|T | well, i didn't know there was a QD for linux until i heard someone chatting in here about it |
| 14:17:41 | warmi | numatrix: are you in Germany ? |
| 14:17:45 | chouimat|coffee | whardier: my cat is in fly killing mode now , I hope I won't wreck my office |
| 14:18:05 | darienm | Harlekin: When I tried reloadApplets it only worked sporatically. Some applets would become disabled (as desired) and some would become disabled when they should not. Also, reloadApplets did NOT re-enable ANY applets. |
| 14:18:20 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 14:18:28 | Harlekin | then something in qpe is broken |
| 14:19:08 | darienm | quite possibly. But we did test it extensively before resorting to the qpe/restart as our solution. |
| 14:19:17 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 14:19:20 | Harlekin | i prefre fixing qpe |
| 14:19:22 | Harlekin | in such cases |
| 14:19:24 | darienm | I would ver much have liked to only reload the taskbar. |
| 14:19:33 | Harlekin | instead of having users to restart the whole opie |
| 14:19:35 | darienm | How do we fix it on the Sharp ROM ? |
| 14:19:43 | darienm | that's out of our hands, no? |
| 14:19:45 | Harlekin | darienm: install oz |
| 14:19:47 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 14:19:57 | darienm | Harlekin: but of course, why didn't I think of that. |
| 14:20:03 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 14:20:08 | Harlekin | ok, youre right for that |
| 14:20:17 | Harlekin | and the app is only needed to retail rom |
| 14:20:20 | darienm | Actually, I manage 5 Z's. 3 of them are Sharp, 2 are OZ currently. |
| 14:20:27 | warmi | 5 ? |
| 14:20:29 | warmi | man .. |
| 14:20:37 | darienm | mine, three friends, and my father's. |
| 14:20:51 | darienm | they all bought theirs on my recommendation. |
| 14:21:14 | darienm | I insisted that the dumbest one, and the most techie of them run OZ. |
| 14:21:15 | darienm | :) |
| 14:21:28 | JasonNJ | interesting |
| 14:21:30 | darienm | So my father, and a buddy named Rich are running OZ. |
| 14:21:45 | darienm | I want to see how it fares for them. |
| 14:22:32 | numatrix | warmi: Nope, US. |
| 14:23:00 | chouimat|coffee | darienm: who's the dumbest one? :) |
| 14:23:04 | darienm | my dad |
| 14:23:31 | chouimat|coffee | darienm: that's not nice for him |
| 14:23:39 | Cloudchaser | hehe poor dad |
| 14:23:41 | darienm | yes it is, if he has to hard-reset he doesn't lose his data. |
| 14:23:45 | Cloudchaser | i'm sure he's not dumb |
| 14:23:56 | warmi | oh zsi will die ... |
| 14:24:01 | darienm | between me and my three other buddies, he's not dumb. He's just the dumbest. |
| 14:24:05 | KallDrexx | hey hey |
| 14:24:12 | darienm | zsi will die ??? |
| 14:24:14 | Hironimo | when i install ssh from sourceforge, do i need to install any orther program (ie, is zlib and ssl already there?) |
| 14:24:14 | Cloudchaser | so your dad has oz? |
| 14:24:18 | warmi | or perhaps killefiz will pull the plug first to avoid huge bill |
| 14:24:20 | warmi | hehe |
| 14:24:27 | Hironimo | also, any options to provide? |
| 14:24:31 | darienm | Cloudchaser: yes, my dad's Zaurus is running OZ. |
| 14:24:32 | warmi | darienm: www.slashdot.org |
| 14:24:40 | darienm | ruh roh |
| 14:25:08 | Cloudchaser | did you say if he has to hard reset he won't lose his data? |
| 14:25:20 | tux_mike | . is just one big hack |
| 14:25:26 | tux_mike | /. even |
| 14:25:47 | darienm | Cloudchaser: that's my understanding... that a hard-reset on OZ doesn't lose data files. |
| 14:26:01 | darienm | Cloudchaser: you should confirm with kergoth before taking my word, though |
| 14:26:01 | warmi | tux: yeah . but it can be a dangerous hack, especially for folks who pay for their bandwith usage |
| 14:26:03 | warmi | hehe |
| 14:26:13 | chouimat|coffee | tux_mike: /. is full of moron who spend their lives on it and watching p0rn |
| 14:26:43 | darienm | Hironimo: I guess it depends which ssh you rinstall |
| 14:26:46 | warmi | you know it is bad for you but you still tend to go there from time to tiem |
| 14:26:56 | Cloudchaser | i will try oz again when there's a full backup program.. |
| 14:27:01 | darienm | Hironimo: one of them is an ipkg that has everything all in one bundle. |
| 14:27:03 | warmi | I mean /. is like a gossip site for geeks |
| 14:27:03 | warmi | heeh |
| 14:27:27 | Hironimo | as i mentioned, the one on zaurus.sourceforge.net (the latest |
| 14:27:40 | tux_mike | i'm kinda worried if i put the info on my mouse mod out on the internet, if it gets /.ed i'm in a world of hurt. my internet will be down for two days |
| 14:27:43 | warmi | I typed this sentence with "/." and it got "swallowed" by irc command interpreter |
| 14:28:29 | Hironimo | i did not manage to install the ipkg, on login it returned some error |
| 14:29:30 | Cloudchaser | Hironimo: you have 5500? |
| 14:29:34 | warmi | tux_mike: looks like I am going to be without my net connection for another 3 weeks |
| 14:29:34 | Hironimo | yes |
| 14:29:39 | Cloudchaser | with sharp rom? |
| 14:29:44 | tux_mike | warmi: why? |
| 14:29:46 | warmi | that just sucks |
| 14:29:54 | Hironimo | 5500g to pe exact, and the sharp rom 2.36g |
| 14:30:02 | warmi | I just moved and it takes 4 weeks for telocity to get it reconnected |
| 14:30:16 | Cloudchaser | ah i don't know about the g... |
| 14:30:26 | tux_mike | you need a dialup? |
| 14:30:28 | Hironimo | thats the german translation |
| 14:30:31 | Cloudchaser | but i did install ssh to sharp rom 2.37 with no problems |
| 14:30:35 | warmi | basically, telocity can do it in one day but AT&T is the bottleneck |
| 14:30:41 | tux_mike | i have one through speakeasy |
| 14:30:48 | Hironimo | aha. how did you install it? |
| 14:30:57 | warmi | they are not in the hurry to provide timely service for what is basically their competitor |
| 14:31:06 | warmi | AT&T provides its own DSL service |
| 14:31:07 | Cloudchaser | thinks |
| 14:31:38 | Cloudchaser | if i remember right |
| 14:31:40 | tux_mike | warmi: very true. speakeasy is better imho, because they push the telcos aggressivly |
| 14:31:42 | | C-Kermit 8.0.201 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=418 |
| 14:31:43 | | openssh_package 3.2.3p1 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=5 |
| 14:31:44 | | Server_Manager >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=165 |
| 14:31:45 | | 3 of 4 shown. See all at http://killefiz.de/zaurus/search.php?q=ssh |
| 14:31:45 | darienm | ibot search zsi for ssh |
| 14:31:48 | Cloudchaser | i downloaded the file |
| 14:31:56 | KallDrexx | does formatting take a lot of write cycles on the CF? |
| 14:32:00 | darienm | Hironimo: the openssh_package works, and is inclusive. |
| 14:32:12 | warmi | tux: yeah .. but I like my telocity - once it is set up it just works :-) they have no firewalls, nothing, you can run anything you want |
| 14:32:16 | Cloudchaser | i think i use the tar file |
| 14:32:22 | warmi | and I am not sure speak-easy is available where I live |
| 14:32:26 | tux_mike | same as speakeasy :) |
| 14:32:38 | Hironimo | yea, i downloaded that one now and could do a ./configure now |
| 14:32:41 | tux_mike | speakeasy is avaliable anywhere DSL is |
| 14:32:52 | warmi | how much are you paying for it ? |
| 14:32:59 | tux_mike | 60 |
| 14:32:59 | Dr_Who | kergoth`zzz: hmmm I'm guessing that means you're not around ... 8-) |
| 14:32:59 | Cloudchaser | why do that? |
| 14:33:07 | tux_mike | 2 static ip |
| 14:33:09 | Dr_Who | Sugar: seen Kergoth ? |
| 14:33:10 | Sugar | Dr_Who: I last saw Kergoth on IRC 9h 46m 2s ago changing nick to kergoth`zzz. |
| 14:33:15 | warmi | btw ... telocity is basically owned by DirectTV and these folks are big enough to be around a year from now .. |
| 14:33:32 | warmi | I am not sure what is the financial situation of speakeasy |
| 14:34:01 | Dr_Who | my sister worked for telocity... I wouldn't bet on them |
| 14:34:03 | tux_mike | speakeasy is a nation wide ISP that does dialup and DSL. they have been around for about 5 years and don't seem to be going anywhere. |
| 14:34:17 | warmi | Dr_Who: well, they were bought by DirectTV .. |
| 14:34:33 | Cloudchaser | you should be able to cd to the new ssh dir and do ./install.sh -s f or ./install.sh -c f |
| 14:34:46 | Cloudchaser | depending on where you want to install it.. there's a read me with the tar file |
| 14:34:46 | tux_mike | loves speakeasy and is their #1 unofficial pimp :) |
| 14:34:58 | Cloudchaser | but darienm says there is an ipkg for it |
| 14:35:09 | warmi | tux_mike: do they offer external gateways ( routers) ? |
| 14:35:14 | tux_mike | i've had to have suggested them to over a hundred people :) |
| 14:35:20 | warmi | or is it a PCI card or some such ? |
| 14:35:34 | W|GGL|T | i'll rely on cable until it pisses me off |
| 14:35:36 | tux_mike | just a standard DSL to ethernet bridge |
| 14:35:48 | Hironimo | darienm: which one do you mean? (url=) i know there are ipkg's - i tried one, but it did not work completely |
| 14:35:49 | warmi | ah ok |
| 14:35:53 | tux_mike | i wouldn't get any service that pulls the pci or usb Bull :) |
| 14:36:07 | tux_mike | oh, and they /support/ linux, bsd and any other OS :) |
| 14:36:42 | warmi | telocity router has aditional stuff like ip masquarading etc built in which you can use for additional fee .. |
| 14:36:49 | warmi | I don't use it cause I have my Linux box doing that |
| 14:36:57 | warmi | but still, some people might find it usefull |
| 14:37:21 | tux_mike | ah, they don't do that. but they reccomend getting a linksys or some other router, because it is cheaper in the long run :) |
| 14:37:34 | warmi | anyway ... I am pretty sure speakeasy is a very good provider .. I am just used to telocity |
| 14:37:37 | warmi | heheh |
| 14:37:43 | tux_mike | heh ::) |
| 14:37:53 | warmi | I was their customer since 2000 or so |
| 14:37:55 | tux_mike | anyway, if you want to borrow my dialup, lemme know |
| 14:38:04 | warmi | I have dialup connection from telocity |
| 14:38:09 | tux_mike | ah, cool |
| 14:38:13 | warmi | it is just I don't have any modems anymore |
| 14:38:33 | tux_mike | still has his old 56k hayes modem |
| 14:38:45 | warmi | in any case.. I transfered all my stuiff ( email, web etc) to my buddys server |
| 14:38:52 | warmi | and I am checking my email at work etc |
| 14:38:58 | warmi | workable solution for the time being |
| 14:38:59 | Harlekin | someone wake kergoth`zzz up |
| 14:39:12 | XavierXeon | needs an ISDN modem in case DSL breaks down again :( |
| 14:39:13 | tux_mike | warmi: well, whatever works :) |
| 14:39:58 | tux_mike | looks at rsync |
| 14:40:21 | Cloudchaser | has anyone tried that unison ipk? |
| 14:40:54 | tux_mike | nope |
| 14:41:42 | KallDrexx | what's a good low mem media player for oz that plays mp3's? |
| 14:41:51 | KallDrexx | testing |
| 14:41:53 | KallDrexx | |
| 14:42:08 | KallDrexx | stupid bitchx |
| 14:42:32 | KallDrexx | What's a good media player that i can use on the 5000d, that's low mem and plays mp3's? |
| 14:44:03 | W|GGL|T | there's xmms now |
| 14:44:16 | W|GGL|T | dunno if that's optimized yet tho |
| 14:44:18 | KallDrexx | yeah i saw, does it work good? |
| 14:44:24 | W|GGL|T | opie-player |
| 14:44:30 | W|GGL|T | i haven't tried it yet |
| 14:44:42 | KallDrexx | can't use opie |
| 14:44:48 | KallDrexx | well |
| 14:44:53 | KallDrexx | I coudln't for movies at least |
| 14:45:13 | Speedy2 | re |
| 14:45:17 | KallDrexx | er |
| 14:45:31 | W|GGL|T | what about the one that came with the Z? |
| 14:45:43 | KallDrexx | i'm using OZ |
| 14:45:47 | Harlekin | KallDrexx: mpg123 |
| 14:45:59 | KallDrexx | heh that wokr on the z? |
| 14:46:04 | Harlekin | sure, why not |
| 14:46:10 | Harlekin | if you get a version compiled for arm |
| 14:46:15 | Harlekin | mpg321 |
| 14:46:16 | Harlekin | in that case |
| 14:46:20 | Harlekin | since it uses libmad |
| 14:46:23 | Harlekin | which is fixed point |
| 14:47:24 | KallDrexx | ah |
| 14:50:43 | tux_mike | it's 11 already. waoh |
| 14:51:03 | W|GGL|T | time flies |
| 14:52:08 | tux_mike | i hate those things... where's the insecticide |
| 14:52:42 | darienm | is impressed. 64 downloads of AppletManager since it was released yesterday. |
| 14:53:00 | darienm | 82 page views. |
| 14:53:16 | XavierXeon | darienm: i was thinking about writing this app myself. now i dont have to :) |
| 14:53:29 | darienm | XavierXeon: Glad to be of service. Any others you don't have time to write? |
| 14:53:39 | XavierXeon | many ! |
| 14:53:44 | warmi | uh .. I din't know there were so many taskbar applets available .. |
| 14:53:45 | darienm | XavierXeon: of course, an applet that simply held the names of running programs would be nice too. |
| 14:53:54 | darienm | warmi: dozens and dozens |
| 14:54:02 | W|GGL|T | went to take out the trash and the trash bin was covered in ants...sprayed it with bug killer and moved it to the curb...now i keep finding ants on me, biting the hell outta me |
| 14:54:28 | darienm | XavierXeon: If you feel like sharing the list, perhaps Team Geek can help. |
| 14:55:19 | chouimat | re |
| 14:55:45 | XavierXeon | darienm: i will send you an email ;-) |
| 14:57:00 | W|GGL|T | is waiting for UPS to bring him his CF/SD cards |
| 14:57:05 | darienm | warmi: google points me to your site when I do a lookup on 'qcop messages'. Do you have a magic file somewhere? I can't find that reference anywhere else. |
| 14:57:25 | darienm | JasonNJ: You have any tracking information on those Z's sent from the challenge? |
| 14:58:13 | Speedy2 | warmi: Hello friend |
| 14:58:26 | imm | darienm: my # is still 000000 :( |
| 14:58:38 | darienm | imm: what does that mean? |
| 14:58:53 | darienm | imm: are you referring to some shipping tracker? |
| 14:59:09 | imm | darienm: to an inexistent one |
| 14:59:43 | ljp_work | anyone see /. yet? |
| 14:59:46 | asterick | Yep. |
| 14:59:49 | XavierXeon | why |
| 14:59:51 | asterick | Linux Sync Software. |
| 14:59:55 | asterick | (beta) |
| 14:59:55 | Speedy2 | Zaurus Sync |
| 15:00:08 | Dr_Who | amazing |
| 15:00:11 | W|GGL|T | someone should email the author so they can edit it |
| 15:00:16 | Cloudchaser | still (beta) |
| 15:00:28 | asterick | beta isn't terrible. |
| 15:00:42 | asterick | I've not tried it, might kill your PC, but hey, at least it's an option. |
| 15:00:50 | Speedy2 | Hi Cloud. |
| 15:00:59 | Cloudchaser | hiya Speedy2! |
| 15:01:11 | Speedy2 | I bought me a microscope. |
| 15:01:20 | asterick | gives speedy a cookie. |
| 15:01:23 | Cloudchaser | hehe cool.. whatcha looking at? |
| 15:01:27 | Cloudchaser | germs? |
| 15:01:31 | Speedy2 | PCBs |
| 15:01:39 | asterick | Why are you looking at PCBs? |
| 15:01:48 | Speedy2 | Because sometimes I solder parts to them |
| 15:01:48 | ljp_work | ya, like I havent been able to sync with linux for 9 months now |
| 15:01:54 | Speedy2 | (And other times I make the PCBs) |
| 15:02:08 | asterick | Are the leads that small? |
| 15:02:12 | Speedy2 | Yup |
| 15:02:17 | Cloudchaser | i can synch with linux |
| 15:02:26 | W|GGL|T | has installed QD-Linux 3 times with no hassle |
| 15:02:28 | asterick | christ. My hands shake too much to be soldering to something that tiny. |
| 15:02:42 | ljp_work | well, its a revalation for /. |
| 15:02:47 | Speedy2 | I've soldered 32MB of RAM to an SA-1110 board I worked on. It ran upto 33MHz! |
| 15:02:48 | alphablue | ok i have eth0 and eth1, i assigned eth1, 192.168.129.200 ip, but i can't ping it.. do i need to add a route to my linux box ? |
| 15:02:53 | Cloudchaser | hehe they're right on top of things |
| 15:03:09 | asterick | http://www.mindspring.com/~2600onachip/index.html |
| 15:03:15 | asterick | I want this guy to post more often. |
| 15:03:22 | Speedy2 | Hey Verx |
| 15:03:29 | VerxWork | hello |
| 15:03:30 | Speedy2 | Verx: I just bought a stereoscopic microscope |
| 15:03:31 | Speedy2 | Hee hee |
| 15:03:52 | Speedy2 | asterick: Some people have too much time on their hands! 2600 on a chip! |
| 15:03:52 | VerxWork | so now you can see 2d objects with both eyes |
| 15:03:54 | VerxWork | heh |
| 15:04:02 | Speedy2 | And solder those tiny tiny pins |
| 15:04:29 | asterick | Speedy: the 2600 can be done is aproximately 11000 gates. |
| 15:04:30 | VerxWork | what tiny pins are you soldering? |
| 15:04:54 | asterick | Speedy: and VHDL is being used, not schematic, so it's not really that big of an endevor. |
| 15:04:58 | Speedy2 | Specifying a design in terms of gates is useless |
| 15:05:07 | Speedy2 | In terms of CLBs, flops and RAM is more meaningful. |
| 15:05:21 | asterick | Well, just to give an idea of the size of the project. |
| 15:05:29 | asterick | The graphics / sound processor is a joke. |
| 15:05:35 | Speedy2 | VerxWork: Any tiny pins I have to. My next rev project will have some really small surface mount parts |
| 15:05:48 | Speedy2 | Besides, it's really imperative to check for solder bridges and stuff |
| 15:06:06 | Speedy2 | That and I can paint on the tops of needles |
| 15:08:21 | Speedy2 | asterick: You know the doing the 2600 on a chip? |
| 15:08:25 | Speedy2 | know the doing == know the guy doing |
| 15:08:35 | tux_mike | 2600 on a chip? |
| 15:08:38 | tux_mike | interesting :) |
| 15:08:45 | Speedy2 | <asterick> http://www.mindspring.com/~2600onachip/index.html |
| 15:08:51 | tux_mike | did that thing have a CPU on it? |
| 15:08:55 | Speedy2 | asterick: Frankly, doing it with schematics would make a lot of things easier! :) |
| 15:08:58 | Speedy2 | Mot 6502 |
| 15:09:12 | asterick | tux: it had a MOS 6507 |
| 15:09:14 | tux_mike | ah |
| 15:09:29 | asterick | the 6502 could do more. |
| 15:09:37 | asterick | It had interrupts and 3 more addressing lines. |
| 15:09:44 | tux_mike | i.e. NES :) |
| 15:09:54 | asterick | Actually, I don't think any other system used the 6507. |
| 15:10:01 | W|GGL|T | smoke break and coffee time |
| 15:10:09 | asterick | and the NES had a stripped down 6502 also. |
| 15:10:15 | asterick | (it couldn't do BCD mode) |
| 15:10:17 | tux_mike | yah |
| 15:10:30 | tux_mike | but i thought it had something added to it |
| 15:10:30 | Speedy2 | The SNES is basically dual6502 |
| 15:10:52 | asterick | Didn't it have a pseudo 16bit alu? |
| 15:10:58 | Speedy2 | SNES? |
| 15:11:05 | Speedy2 | Yeah, I think they did some funny things with it |
| 15:11:08 | Speedy2 | It's amazing since I play my SNES a lot |
| 15:11:09 | kergoth | greetings |
| 15:11:10 | tux_mike | no, i thought the SNES had a single TI chip that was the 16 bit sucessor to the 6502, the same chip the apple IIgs used |
| 15:11:15 | KallDrexx | TheMasterMind1: I like that today app that shows up when you come back from a suspend |
| 15:11:22 | Speedy2 | Hi kergoth |
| 15:11:24 | asterick | Well crud, I gotta walk to class. |
| 15:11:28 | W|GGL|T | morning kergoth |
| 15:11:28 | Speedy2 | RUN |
| 15:11:33 | kergoth | hah |
| 15:11:39 | asterick | Seems like every time I stear the conversation to something I like, I have to leave. :P |
| 15:11:46 | asterick | ANYWHO. |
| 15:11:46 | tux_mike | lol |
| 15:11:49 | asterick | TTFN. |
| 15:14:39 | whardier | Tittle Tottle Flop Noodle |
| 15:18:32 | Speedy2 | Later all |
| 15:24:59 | kergoth | man, its dead here tdoay |
| 15:25:59 | whardier | wanna see my fush? |
| 15:26:03 | whardier | fish |
| 15:26:03 | whardier | heh |
| 15:26:22 | ljp_work | your cats havent eatedn them yet? |
| 15:26:28 | whardier | its a rendered fish' |
| 15:26:33 | ljp_work | hahaha oh |
| 15:26:47 | Harlekin | ah kergoth |
| 15:26:54 | Harlekin | kergoth: you missed teh weekend briefing |
| 15:26:55 | kergoth | hey Harlekin |
| 15:27:00 | kergoth | ah, whats up |
| 15:27:08 | Harlekin | we move to qt2.3.4 -) |
| 15:28:01 | alphablue | i think i'll upgrade my oz this weekend, and then try to make it work with qtopiadesktop 1.6.. |
| 15:28:50 | whardier | just made an alphabluie |
| 15:28:52 | whardier | blue |
| 15:28:53 | whardier | heh |
| 15:28:56 | alphablue | uhhh |
| 15:29:00 | whardier | I did |
| 15:29:03 | whardier | I NEEEDED IT |
| 15:29:03 | alphablue | i can be made ? by humans ? |
| 15:29:10 | whardier | with a color picker |
| 15:29:12 | whardier | you sure can |
| 15:29:14 | kergoth | Harlekin: ah, figured that was coming ;-) |
| 15:29:17 | ljp_work | whardier is a kergoth shell script |
| 15:29:20 | kergoth | jaj |
| 15:29:22 | kergoth | hah |
| 15:29:33 | whardier | :( |
| 15:29:42 | whardier | Chiquita.. perfect for life |
| 15:29:48 | alphablue | he's buggy must be a csh script.. |
| 15:30:01 | Harlekin | kergoth: and tomorrows opie might not work right any more with older qt versions |
| 15:31:20 | whardier | I sometimes feel I am not part of this world. |
| 15:31:23 | kergoth | Harlekin: removing bug workarounds? |
| 15:31:45 | Harlekin | no only |
| 15:31:58 | Harlekin | qt2.3.4 bring feature additions id like to rely on |
| 15:32:21 | kergoth | ah |
| 15:33:05 | kergoth | rely on them in apps too? so the opie apps wont run on qtopia anymore? |
| 15:33:55 | Harlekin | nono |
| 15:34:00 | Harlekin | ist more about opie base |
| 15:34:04 | Harlekin | taskbar for exampel |
| 15:34:14 | Harlekin | qws finnaly got a call when apps close for exampel |
| 15:34:22 | Harlekin | no more left apps in taskbar |
| 15:34:33 | VerxWork | OH that will be nice |
| 15:34:34 | whardier | Welcome to the Dollhouse |
| 15:34:36 | VerxWork | so very very very nice |
| 15:34:36 | whardier | is an interesting movie |
| 15:39:47 | chouimat | imm: ping |
| 15:40:17 | imm | chouimat: podoing |
| 15:40:26 | chouimat | imm: any news? |
| 15:41:16 | imm | chouimat: from whom ? |
| 15:41:29 | chouimat | imm: for the z |
| 15:42:05 | imm | chouimat: no, i think i will wait another week then |
| 15:43:55 | kergoth | Harlekin: oh nice. |
| 15:45:57 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 64:22:17) |
| 15:46:44 | Neo|Work | mornign |
| 15:47:31 | darienm | kergoth: I think I figured out the logic to make a taskbar applet to show currently running applications. Now, where are the instructions for building an applet? |
| 15:48:13 | kergoth | darienm: good question.. i doubt any exist. take an existing applet and alter it :-) opie sources are a good tool |
| 15:48:48 | darienm | and what would be the call to "bring to front" an application -- other than just executing it again? |
| 15:49:32 | Neo|Work | Teaser: Interstellar Flames is quite awesome. :) |
| 15:50:34 | darienm | hrm, executing again doesnt work well. |
| 15:51:57 | kergoth | darienm: what means are you using to execute again? |
| 15:52:07 | darienm | don't ask... |
| 15:52:12 | darienm | was being stupid |
| 15:53:46 | kergoth | use QCop, not system() or anything ;-) |
| 15:54:02 | darienm | big help.... |
| 15:55:04 | Hironimo | hi there. i've got a problem. due to some error my sd card was filled recursively with directorys. so i tried to format the card. |
| 15:55:22 | Hironimo | now i cant use it anymore - it is not detected |
| 15:56:04 | darienm | that's... um... bad |
| 15:56:32 | XavierXeon | Hironimo: welcome to the club. i had the same problem a week ago. |
| 15:56:43 | kergoth | hey MSpin |
| 15:56:43 | Hironimo | and the mount command is somehow strange. tellimg me invalid argument |
| 15:56:51 | Hironimo | and did you solve it? |
| 15:57:02 | kergoth | busybox mount is a piece of crap, especially in the old version on the sharp rom |
| 15:57:02 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:57:10 | XavierXeon | Hironimo: what card are you using and what filesystem did you try to format it to ? |
| 15:58:03 | Hironimo | is a sandisk sd card, 128mb. used command mkfs.vfat /dev/mmcda |
| 15:58:23 | kergoth | Hironimo: you want to mkfs.vfat /dev/mmcda1, not /dev/mmcda |
| 15:58:38 | MSpin | howdy kergoth |
| 15:58:52 | MSpin | joy, procmail got borked overnight |
| 15:58:58 | kergoth | fun |
| 15:59:09 | Hironimo | i just notced that. its now tolling me Attemting to create too large file system |
| 15:59:11 | XavierXeon | ok i also got a scandisk. it does not like to be formated ext2 on any pda/pc. you need to type "mkfs.vfat /dev/mmcda1" to format it fat which works fine on my card |
| 15:59:34 | kergoth | Hironimo: fdisk /dev/mmcda, hit d to delete the existing partition, then n to creat ea new one |
| 15:59:46 | kergoth | Hironimo: then 'w' to write it out, then reformat /dev/mmcda1 |
| 15:59:53 | XavierXeon | kergoth: sharp rom does not have fdisk |
| 15:59:58 | kergoth | the mkfs.vfat /dev/mmcda overwrote the partition table |
| 16:00:06 | Hironimo | trying... |
| 16:00:07 | kergoth | well, he'll have to grab one then. there's an ipk around |
| 16:00:22 | Cloudchaser | its on zsi i think |
| 16:00:23 | Cloudchaser | fdisk is |
| 16:01:09 | Hironimo | damn, dont have fdisk installed yet |
| 16:01:11 | XavierXeon | i think it does not install on sharp rom. you have to take the ipk apart manually |
| 16:01:33 | kergoth | Hironimo: theres an ipk on ZSi, and the binary is avilable somewhere on the SF project (http://sf.net/projects/zaurus/) |
| 16:01:36 | kergoth | ah |
| 16:02:50 | Cloudchaser | it installs on sharp rom.. i used it |
| 16:03:17 | extremis | kergoth: release? |
| 16:03:25 | XavierXeon | good. i must have tried to install an older version |
| 16:03:36 | Cloudchaser | i used it a few days ago XavierXeon |
| 16:03:44 | Cloudchaser | pretty sure i got it from zsi |
| 16:04:02 | Cloudchaser | i fdisked then formatted sd card to ext 2 |
| 16:04:29 | extremis | I |
| 16:04:37 | XavierXeon | still hates sandisk for making sd cards that can not be formated ext2 |
| 16:04:37 | extremis | I'm tempted to buy the new toshiba e740 |
| 16:05:13 | W|GGL|T | crap...i forgot that i may need an adapter for the sd card :o( |
| 16:05:29 | Cloudchaser | they can't XavierXeon? |
| 16:06:34 | XavierXeon | Cloudchaser: i dont know if they can not be formated to ext2 in general but my card definetly cannot be formated. vfat and minix work fine, ext2 just gives loads of read/write errors |
| 16:06:48 | W|GGL|T | bought viking instead of sandisk this time |
| 16:07:14 | Cloudchaser | ah, mine seems to be working fine so far |
| 16:07:25 | W|GGL|T | what size? |
| 16:07:38 | Cloudchaser | just 64mb ;( |
| 16:07:51 | Cloudchaser | and i think its lexar |
| 16:08:10 | XavierXeon | i bought a 128 MB sandisk card. either i will sell it again or buy a camera for it |
| 16:08:28 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 16:08:39 | JasonNJ | extremis: I had the e740 for a week, dont bother, it has some real issues |
| 16:08:50 | Cloudchaser | some day i'll have to get a bigger sd card and bigger cf card |
| 16:09:00 | Cloudchaser | hiya JasonNJ |
| 16:09:07 | Cloudchaser | how goes the kitchen? |
| 16:09:13 | XavierXeon | good thing about it though is that after fdisk and mkfs on a pc my old lexar mmc works again :) |
| 16:09:13 | JasonNJ | slowly |
| 16:09:31 | JasonNJ | more cabinets go in tormorrow and they measure for the countertop |
| 16:09:41 | kergoth | extremis: i've got an initrd here, just want to test it out to confirm everything is happy first |
| 16:09:45 | kergoth | hey jason |
| 16:09:56 | ljp_work | test sync |
| 16:09:58 | W|GGL|T | after reading the ZG list, i think i shoulda bought mmc instead |
| 16:09:58 | JasonNJ | kergoth: anything new? |
| 16:10:09 | kergoth | ljp_work: planning on it |
| 16:10:17 | kergoth | JasonNJ: not much, working on the kernel stuff more today. |
| 16:10:22 | JasonNJ | coolio. |
| 16:10:23 | darienm | JasonNJ: Is there any tracking information on Zaurus units that were sent out from the challenge? |
| 16:10:47 | JasonNJ | yeah, but Spencer was in charge of him and he is at the intel show this week with ben. |
| 16:10:52 | fusion94 | JasonNJ: morning.... |
| 16:10:53 | JasonNJ | er, in charge of em. |
| 16:11:09 | darienm | thanks |
| 16:11:27 | Hironimo | it worked |
| 16:11:36 | Hironimo | my sd is working again |
| 16:12:12 | XavierXeon | Hironimo: good |
| 16:12:33 | kergoth | Harlekin: i was planning on releasing a new rootfs today with the latest opie, should i do it with qte2.3.3 or qte2.3.4? |
| 16:12:49 | Harlekin | use allready teh 2.3.4 |
| 16:12:58 | Harlekin | or wait 2 days |
| 16:13:01 | Harlekin | so we can test it |
| 16:13:05 | kergoth | k |
| 16:13:08 | Harlekin | throughout |
| 16:13:11 | Speedy2 | Yo kergoth |
| 16:13:16 | Hironimo | it got messed up in the first place as i tried to install ssh (with install.sh s f) |
| 16:13:22 | Hironimo | what could be wrong? |
| 16:15:50 | imm | JasonNJ: that means no Zs this week ? |
| 16:16:52 | XavierXeon | Hironimo: the script tries to create links which can not be done on fat |
| 16:17:54 | Hironimo | so it will only work when installing to ram? |
| 16:17:54 | Cloudchaser | it does XavierXeon? i had it installed before i used ext2 |
| 16:18:23 | Hironimo | oh, so i should format it to ext2 , then it works? |
| 16:19:12 | JasonNJ | imm: dunno |
| 16:19:31 | whardier | big dummy |
| 16:19:42 | XavierXeon | i always forget wich way around it does not work. either links from or to fat dont work |
| 16:20:18 | Cloudchaser | Hehe i think from |
| 16:20:37 | Hironimo | how to delete a directory in file manager? |
| 16:21:00 | Cloudchaser | i use tkc explorer so i'm not so sure |
| 16:21:27 | Cloudchaser | the read me should tell how to uninstall it |
| 16:21:30 | extremis | kergoth is so cool |
| 16:21:35 | extremis | = groopy |
| 16:21:37 | Cloudchaser | i don't have it on mine any more or i'd look |
| 16:21:53 | Cloudchaser | extremis: yes kergoth is cool :) |
| 16:21:59 | chouimat | imm: put picketflirt on hold |
| 16:22:03 | extremis | dances the new release dance |
| 16:22:57 | Speedy2 | kergoth++ |
| 16:23:17 | imm | chouimat: ? |
| 16:23:25 | extremis | kergoth++ |
| 16:23:33 | chouimat | imm: if no z this week |
| 16:24:35 | imm | chouimat: shure, nobody can release software without a single test on the target device :) |
| 16:25:21 | imm | ok, htg |
| 16:30:08 | kergoth | extremis: flattery wont get you a new release faster :-P |
| 16:34:55 | Dr_Who | hey ya kergoth |
| 16:37:17 | tux_mike | *shudder* polaris |
| 16:37:30 | Cloudchaser | why the shudder tux_mike? |
| 16:38:23 | tux_mike | because every polaris user on another network i chat on is a real moron. plus i hate irc scripts |
| 16:39:26 | diclophis | z0r |
| 16:41:10 | kergoth | jeu Dr_Who |
| 16:41:13 | kergoth | er |
| 16:41:14 | kergoth | hey |
| 16:41:14 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:41:40 | Dr_Who | heh |
| 16:44:38 | diclophis | anyone know of any other wireless internet providers for the zaurus? |
| 16:44:42 | diclophis | other than sharp mobile |
| 16:45:00 | Dr_Who | take it you don't wnat to set up your own 802.11 |
| 16:45:01 | Dr_Who | ? |
| 16:45:20 | diclophis | umm... well i would if i could put a hub on enry street corner |
| 16:45:27 | diclophis | well what is the range of those things... |
| 16:45:35 | diclophis | i live like ~1.5 miles off of campus |
| 16:45:44 | diclophis | if a wireless hub would work there that would be great |
| 16:46:06 | Dr_Who | hmmm at 1.5 miles away I'm assuming you want to connect to the campus net right? |
| 16:46:25 | diclophis | well it would be attached to my cable modem account at home |
| 16:46:28 | diclophis | if possible |
| 16:46:50 | Dr_Who | so you wanna connect from campus to home? |
| 16:46:54 | diclophis | yea |
| 16:47:03 | Dr_Who | 802.11 range is generally a couple hundred feet |
| 16:47:06 | diclophis | there might be open hubs on campus as well |
| 16:48:00 | Dr_Who | but for long haul there are hacks to do point to point over a few miles using a satellite minidish |
| 16:48:09 | Dr_Who | still for what I suspect you want, you're SOL |
| 16:48:13 | diclophis | mmmm |
| 16:48:23 | diclophis | did i mention i was a college student that has no money? |
| 16:48:54 | diclophis | i could push for 30 bucks / month i.e. what shaprmobile costs... BUT they dont proivde coverage in my area (of course) |
| 16:51:53 | Dr_Who | kergoth: say .. you never want me to push you patches so you can target other arches ? |
| 16:53:46 | kergoth | i never want? :-P |
| 16:53:59 | Dr_Who | errr |
| 16:54:06 | Dr_Who | english bad... brain ... hurt |
| 16:54:09 | Dr_Who | let me try that again |
| 16:54:28 | Dr_Who | would you EVER want me to push you some patches so you can target other cpus? |
| 16:54:58 | kergoth | hehe. that makes a lot more sense. certainly |
| 16:55:14 | Dr_Who | brain, brain and brain... what is brain!? |
| 17:00:43 | Harlekin | kergoth: ping |
| 17:01:03 | kergoth | Harlekin: pong |
| 17:01:35 | Harlekin | kergoth: go for 2.3.4 |
| 17:01:38 | Harlekin | looks very good |
| 17:01:45 | kergoth | k |
| 17:01:45 | Harlekin | only 3 patches are needed now |
| 17:01:48 | kergoth | nice |
| 17:01:54 | Harlekin | and according to TT they will be included soon |
| 17:02:09 | Harlekin | theres a laucher change upcoming |
| 17:02:13 | Harlekin | please test it |
| 17:02:16 | Harlekin | when are you home? |
| 17:02:31 | bbeattie | Does the latest (1.6 beta) of qtopia desktop still require usb ethernet enabled in the kernel? Or is not having to do that kernel mod one of the main/new features? |
| 17:03:37 | kergoth | Harlekin: not for another 5 hours.. but its quiet today, i might be able to test while at work |
| 17:04:02 | Harlekin | kergoth`lunch: commits come in the next 1h |
| 17:04:15 | Harlekin | kergoth`lunch: and a great library mergomanie tonight (cet) |
| 17:04:56 | kergoth`lunch | Harlekin: merges from qtopia 1.6 snapshots? |
| 17:07:29 | Harlekin | kergoth`lunch: even more |
| 17:07:51 | Harlekin | we have some kind of new relation to TT |
| 17:10:01 | whardier | is a sane poker |
| 17:10:09 | whardier | and I love you all |
| 17:11:13 | Harlekin | whardier: we you too |
| 17:14:22 | whardier | you me too!? |
| 17:15:52 | kergoth`lunch | lol |
| 17:19:18 | Cloudchaser | kergoth`lunch: you are actually eating lunch at lunch time??? |
| 17:19:36 | whardier | no |
| 17:19:51 | kergoth`lunch | Cloudchaser: no, i havent gone to get food yet,... |
| 17:19:58 | kergoth`lunch | but i am now, only 30 mins late |
| 17:19:59 | kergoth`lunch | yay |
| 17:20:01 | kergoth`lunch | bbl |
| 17:20:01 | kergoth`lunch | heh |
| 17:20:08 | Cloudchaser | hehe have a good one |
| 17:22:25 | whardier | you pushed him away :( |
| 17:27:53 | Neo|Work | http://www.pocketgamer.org/showthread.php?threadid=702 <-- that looks like a potentially cool game |
| 17:29:12 | asterick | Neo: Hey, I registered strategic assault, lost my registration info (had to reinstall after a rom update) and eon won't reply to my emails. |
| 17:29:17 | asterick | Someone told me to talk to you. |
| 17:29:44 | Neo|Work | that would be a good idea yes |
| 17:30:06 | Neo|Work | email? (did you email me? there's one support mail I haven't handled yet) |
| 17:31:10 | asterick | I emailed sales I think. |
| 17:31:37 | kolla | thinks someone perhaps should do a pinball for Z |
| 17:31:43 | kolla | just a suggestion :) |
| 17:31:51 | asterick | Heh. |
| 17:32:44 | whardier | hmm |
| 17:32:44 | whardier | you know |
| 17:33:01 | whardier | they could really use a radiosity renderer to precalc some amazing light maps for games |
| 17:33:59 | kolla | just a simple painball in the leage of pinball dreams/fantasi/illusions would be nice :) |
| 17:34:09 | kolla | pinball I mean.. too much paintball |
| 17:34:16 | whardier | I like painball |
| 17:34:20 | asterick | Hehe. |
| 17:34:21 | whardier | racks kolla |
| 17:34:31 | asterick | "You hit a bumper, you are missing a finger" |
| 17:34:44 | Neo|Work | asterick: ok, I'll check |
| 17:35:42 | kolla | ponders what "racks" mean |
| 17:35:54 | | okay, Onyx4. |
| 17:35:54 | Onyx4 | ibot: divx is also see mencoder |
| 17:35:57 | | Onyx4: excuse me? |
| 17:35:57 | Onyx4 | ibot: mencoder |
| 17:36:22 | Neo|Work | asterick: what is your email (msg if you wish) |
| 17:36:51 | Neo|Work | you know I think I sent you something already... |
| 17:36:56 | Neo|Work | I remember "asterick".. |
| 17:37:14 | ljp_work | racks = 'kicked in the balls' |
| 17:37:34 | kybu | hi |
| 17:37:51 | | OK, Onyx4. |
| 17:37:51 | Onyx4 | ibot: mencoder is an excellent mpeg4 encoder that can be used to encode movies for the zaurus, see http://www.mplayerhq.hu and for a frontend use kmencoder http://sourceforge.net/projects/kmencoder/ |
| 17:38:09 | whardier | kolla racks = kicks you in the jimmy! |
| 17:38:20 | kolla | my name isnt jimmy |
| 17:38:31 | whardier | jimmy punch! |
| 17:38:36 | whardier | heeya! |
| 17:38:38 | Harlekin | Onyx4: isnt transcode better? |
| 17:39:06 | Onyx4 | nope I did some tests yesterday with mencoder and libavcodec and VB3 mpe, man so awesome |
| 17:39:28 | Onyx4 | now I can still shrink a normal movie into 256mb with 44100/stereo VBR @ 112kbit and the video is awesome |
| 17:39:30 | Onyx4 | much much faster too |
| 17:39:36 | Neo|Work | might have another port soon. :) |
| 17:39:38 | Onyx4 | it runs at about 25fps compared to 15fps |
| 17:39:39 | Neo|Work | I hope I hope |
| 17:39:47 | Neo|Work | but I won't say what it is until I can of course |
| 17:40:09 | ljp_work | thinks whardier needs to start taking his zoloft again |
| 17:40:21 | Onyx4 | the command line is more simple as well I'm modifying my script to adapt it for mplayer |
| 17:40:37 | Onyx4 | the only problem I found is no gamma correction... |
| 17:40:50 | Onyx4 | but if you say that op2 will have it on the fly without much slowdown that should be ok |
| 17:41:00 | Harlekin | Onyx4: it allready has for window playback |
| 17:43:08 | Neo|Work | the only bad thing with all this porting work is that I get like no time for doing original work |
| 17:43:11 | Neo|Work | but that's ok |
| 17:45:19 | asterick | Grr... why can't the zaurus just have 24bit color. >:/ |
| 17:45:38 | Onyx4 | it's 16bit actually not 24 |
| 17:45:40 | Neo|Work | 16 bit is plenty |
| 17:45:56 | asterick | Neo: I know it's plenty... but doing gradients is a pain in the ass. : |
| 17:46:03 | Neo|Work | and 32 bit color would mean twice the data needed to update the screen for minimal benefit in visual quality |
| 17:46:13 | asterick | I just hate bit packing. |
| 17:46:28 | Neo|Work | well, perhaps, but still. I think the benefits greatly outweigh the drawbacks at this point |
| 17:46:44 | asterick | I know. Again, just hate bit packing. |
| 17:47:17 | asterick | Could be worse, we could be using 128bit color like the next Vidia chipset is supose to be using. |
| 17:49:51 | Neo|Work | 128 bit color - let me doubt that |
| 17:50:20 | asterick | It still displays as 32bit, they just added it for improved display accuracy. |
| 17:50:57 | oGMo | someone really needs to go display 64 or 128-bit though :P |
| 17:51:10 | oGMo | 64 really ought to be sufficient |
| 17:51:28 | asterick | personally, I don't see the need for anything more than 256 levels of each color + dithering |
| 17:51:42 | oGMo | then you must be colorblind or something ;) |
| 17:51:51 | oGMo | oh |
| 17:51:59 | oGMo | sorry thought you said 256 colors + ditherin |
| 17:52:01 | oGMo | +g |
| 17:52:05 | asterick | heh. |
| 17:52:22 | oGMo | but you DO need better than 32bit, banding is still apparent even at that level |
| 17:52:47 | asterick | that's what dithering is for. |
| 17:52:55 | oGMo | dithering halves resolution at best |
| 17:53:09 | asterick | Depends on how you perform it. |
| 17:53:17 | oGMo | not really :P |
| 17:53:22 | asterick | Sure it does. |
| 17:53:28 | Neo|Work | sun highend gfx card has 48 bit color |
| 17:53:41 | Neo|Work | I seriously doubt that nvidia will have 128 bit color at any stage |
| 17:53:43 | oGMo | you've still got to have N pixels to work with, so each time you do you halve resolution |
| 17:54:04 | oGMo | Neo|Work: i dunno, it's possible, it's just more numbers in memory |
| 17:54:20 | Neo|Work | well, the memory bandwidth need is increased 4 times |
| 17:54:23 | Neo|Work | that's A LOT |
| 17:54:30 | asterick | It's probibly for the frame buffer only. |
| 17:54:33 | Neo|Work | especially considering how often memory bandwidth is an issue |
| 17:54:50 | oGMo | yeah |
| 17:55:17 | asterick | nvidia is having problems with the radeons. They are starting to pull ahead. They will do just about anything to keep numbers up, and on top of the market. |
| 17:55:18 | Neo|Work | 30 MB for a 1600x1200 image. |
| 17:55:20 | oGMo | you could still push 32-bit textures over the bus, and it has 128 bits after that... that makes a lot of sense actually |
| 17:55:46 | Neo|Work | still on-card memory bandwidth is an issue to.. |
| 17:56:00 | asterick | http://www.nvmax.com/Articles/Previews/NV30_SNEAK_PREVIEW/ |
| 17:56:09 | oGMo | well, we'll see... who knows what's actually accurate |
| 17:56:20 | oGMo | it could be palm's "nearly 65k colors" too ;) |
| 17:56:31 | asterick | it will probibly be one of those "We can do this effect *" "*: Very very slowly" |
| 17:56:31 | Neo|Work | that said, it might include a 64 bit z-buffer too perhaps |
| 17:57:19 | asterick | It might also be internal calculations occur at that level. |
| 17:57:34 | asterick | use 128 bit floating point, round off and pump to storage. |
| 17:58:20 | Neo|Work | now floating point colors I can definitely see |
| 17:58:28 | asterick | O_o The vertex processor can now do branches and trig functions. |
| 17:59:21 | JasonNJ | heh and to thimk I just bought a new geforce4 to go with my new motherboard. |
| 17:59:30 | Neo|Work | I |
| 17:59:34 | asterick | This isn't due out till after christmas. |
| 17:59:41 | Neo|Work | I'll be upgrading probably sometime next spring |
| 18:00:00 | Neo|Work | so I'm hoping for a new NVidia card plus the hottest AMD or Intel CPU |
| 18:00:06 | Neo|Work | i.e a DOOM3 computer |
| 18:00:35 | asterick | All I have is my GeF4 Ti 4200 and AMD XP +1800 |
| 18:00:51 | Neo|Work | I have a GF2 + 1.2 GHz Athlon |
| 18:01:04 | asterick | Yep. It uses 128bit floating point numbers for the pixel shader, not 32bit integer. |
| 18:01:06 | Neo|Work | it's becoming somewhat aged as a computer |
| 18:01:10 | oGMo | Neo|Work: yeah i'm waiting for doom3 too :) |
| 18:01:22 | asterick | I was running a PII 400 about 4 months ago. |
| 18:01:28 | Neo|Work | it's not the only reason for upgrading but a major upgrade for sure |
| 18:01:34 | oGMo | "Doom 3 System Requirements will be available to the general market within 18 months." |
| 18:01:35 | Neo|Work | a major reason even |
| 18:01:37 | oGMo | ;) |
| 18:01:40 | fusion94 | asterick: um...welcome back from the mid 90's then |
| 18:02:08 | asterick | Heh. |
| 18:02:11 | oGMo | i'm STILL running on a p2 350 :P dual box, but still |
| 18:02:22 | asterick | Yea, my dad bought me a new one because the powersupply actually physically died. |
| 18:02:40 | Neo|Work | I got this box a bit over a year and a half ago or so |
| 18:02:41 | asterick | He thought it was a mother board issue. |
| 18:02:56 | fusion94 | oGMo: right now you are ? |
| 18:03:02 | Neo|Work | asterick: lucky you. :P A powersupply is like cheap. :P |
| 18:03:09 | oGMo | fusion94: ? |
| 18:03:13 | asterick | yep. |
| 18:03:28 | fusion94 | oGMo: you are still using a p2 350 as your primary box ? |
| 18:03:28 | asterick | Neo: It wasn't totally dead, it was supplying power, only not to everything at the same time. |
| 18:03:32 | oGMo | fusion94: yeah |
| 18:03:41 | oGMo | no real reason to upgrade since i play games on the ps2/cube |
| 18:03:50 | asterick | so some times, the computer would boot, and then the harddrives would go offline, and the video would randomly cut out or be staticy.. |
| 18:03:51 | fusion94 | um |
| 18:03:56 | asterick | it was a really odd problem. |
| 18:04:05 | fusion94 | oGMo: can you even compile anything on it :P |
| 18:04:09 | oGMo | fusion94: yeah |
| 18:04:12 | asterick | Got about $850 worth of parts out of the old koot. |
| 18:04:12 | oGMo | compiling is good enough |
| 18:04:28 | oGMo | C++ compiles suck, though |
| 18:04:30 | fusion94 | heh |
| 18:04:38 | fusion94 | i think this box is slow as hell |
| 18:04:52 | fusion94 | and it's just a dual p3 1ghz with 2gb of ram |
| 18:05:17 | oGMo | when i upgrade though i plan to get a box that can play doom 3 with power to spare |
| 18:05:23 | oGMo | fusion94: but p3's suck |
| 18:05:37 | oGMo | i've got a p3-700 notebook and i can't tell any major difference in most areas between that and this |
| 18:06:32 | fusion94 | oGMo: yes they do, but intel still doesn't have a dual p4 :) |
| 18:06:34 | Neo|Work | fusion94: you seems spoiled. :P |
| 18:06:53 | oGMo | fusion94: yeah |
| 18:06:59 | fusion94 | Neo|Work: i was...i worked for a hw company for 3+ years....remember ? |
| 18:07:06 | oGMo | i'd get a dual amd board first though |
| 18:07:10 | asterick | I must go do laundry. |
| 18:07:12 | asterick | BBL |
| 18:07:13 | fusion94 | Neo|Work: i actually bought my first hw in 3 years the other day |
| 18:07:14 | Neo|Work | yes yes. :P |
| 18:08:10 | fusion94 | Neo|Work: so it was easy to get spoiled.... |
| 18:08:13 | | OK, Onyx4. |
| 18:08:13 | Onyx4 | ibot: divx guide is at http://www.bunkus.org/dvdripping4linux/single/ |
| 18:08:30 | | Onyx4: huh? |
| 18:08:30 | Onyx4 | ibot: divx see also "divx guide" |
| 18:08:30 | | ...but divx is a forn of MPEG4. or see transcode or see mencoder... |
| 18:08:30 | Onyx4 | ibot divx is see also "divx guide" |
| 18:08:36 | | okay, Onyx4. |
| 18:08:36 | Onyx4 | ibot divx is also see also "divx guide" |
| 18:12:12 | Hironimo | i forgot my installation cd at work - are the usb drivers anywhere on the net? |
| 18:15:12 | kergoth`lunch | Hironimo: http://myzaurus.com/ |
| 18:27:31 | sambatron | hello |
| 18:27:46 | sambatron | how do I close the default open ports on my zaurus ? |
| 18:28:05 | sambatron | not the inetd ones... the qpe |
| 18:28:58 | sambatron | is there anybody alive ? |
| 18:29:05 | MagiCs | Hi to all |
| 18:29:11 | kergoth | sambatron: 4242 and 4243? they're only available via the usb interface on the sharp rom 2.38 .. beyond that there isnt much you can do other than putting something else on those ports, thereby preventing qpe from binding |
| 18:29:12 | MagiCs | sambatron :*** |
| 18:29:23 | kergoth | sambatron: or you can go wiht OZ, with which you can select what ip/mask (if any) is allowed to connect to those ports |
| 18:29:32 | sambatron | what about ip tables ? |
| 18:29:36 | sambatron | I'm running 2.37 |
| 18:29:49 | kergoth | sambatron: the modules arent included by default, nor are the utils |
| 18:30:01 | kergoth | sambatron: if you build them, it'll likely work. i have modules and the utils built for oz here |
| 18:30:01 | sambatron | is there any ipk with them ? |
| 18:30:05 | kergoth | check zsi |
| 18:30:06 | | zsi is http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ and you can search zsi right now by typing 'ibot search zsi for <searchtext>' or 'ibot show recent zsi' |
| 18:30:06 | kergoth | ibot: zsi |
| 18:30:25 | | Something failed in connecting to the ZSI web server. Try again later. |
| 18:30:25 | kergoth | ibot search zsi for iptables |
| 18:30:40 | kergoth | bah |
| 18:30:40 | | No results were found searching ZSI for 'iptables'. |
| 18:30:40 | kergoth | ibot search zsi for iptables |
| 18:30:58 | kergoth | guess not |
| 18:30:59 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:31:05 | sambatron | damn |
| 18:31:15 | sambatron | it's pretty shitty |
| 18:31:23 | kergoth | ? |
| 18:31:24 | sambatron | It should come with iptables |
| 18:31:29 | kergoth | thatd be stupid. |
| 18:31:39 | kergoth | the modules are large, a waste of space for 90% of the users |
| 18:31:57 | sambatron | well if they add support for wireless cards... |
| 18:32:05 | kergoth | what does that have to do with anything? |
| 18:32:18 | kergoth | wireless is used by a much larger portion of hte userbase than iptables would ever be |
| 18:32:21 | tux_mike | so, most people who use wireless have the machine behind a firewall anyway |
| 18:32:22 | sambatron | that if you plug a wireless card... you need to _close_ ports |
| 18:32:38 | tux_mike | you do not need to close them |
| 18:32:41 | kergoth | sambatron: i just told you, they're closed in 2.38 on wireless interfaces, and with Opie you can select a ip/mask |
| 18:32:54 | kergoth | sambatron: those are the options, other than building iptables yourself. |
| 18:33:03 | sambatron | :) anyway it's an AMAZING gadget |
| 18:33:41 | sambatron | I have it since friday and I'm really amazed with it |
| 18:34:03 | kergoth | indeed |
| 18:34:14 | tux_mike | i hate feeling uninspired. i need to finish my game. |
| 18:34:48 | kergoth | i'm uninspired 99% of the time |
| 18:34:50 | kergoth | unfortunately |
| 18:34:51 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:35:16 | sambatron | I'm outspired 100% of the time |
| 18:39:00 | | I can't find the headlines. |
| 18:39:00 | BigBoss | ibot slashdot |
| 18:39:08 | BigBoss | wow, slashdot is down |
| 18:39:11 | tux_mike | /. go boom |
| 18:39:15 | chouimat | hi BigBoss |
| 18:39:21 | BigBoss | hi chouimat |
| 18:39:29 | BigBoss | damn - Farscape got cancelled, that sucks |
| 18:39:34 | chouimat | BigBoss: Snow is goood |
| 18:39:37 | mutexer | I was wondering why evolution wasnt picking up slashdot headlines |
| 18:39:51 | Wintre | woohoo |
| 18:40:14 | BigBoss | chouimat: yes it is, I've probably listened to it 20 times so far |
| 18:40:23 | BigBoss | there are some realling shining moments on it |
| 18:40:35 | chouimat | BigBoss: same since last thursday |
| 18:40:39 | BigBoss | although the catch line in 'devils got my throat' is kind of lame |
| 18:40:59 | chouimat | BigBoss: that song is good, very good |
| 18:41:07 | mutexer | ... you talking about Snow the rapper? |
| 18:41:27 | numatrix | BigBoss: did it really? Bummer; some guy around work here has all the couple seasons on divx. I was watching an episode a day for a little while. |
| 18:41:43 | numatrix | BigBoss: that is... has a couple, not "all the" |
| 18:41:47 | Ksd | how i dump a sqlite database to a file? |
| 18:41:48 | chouimat | mutexer: no Spock'S Beard new album |
| 18:41:53 | sambatron | does any one of you know why my usb connection doesn'T set a default route ? |
| 18:42:09 | mutexer | ? |
| 18:42:21 | | okay, Onyx4. |
| 18:42:21 | Onyx4 | ibot mencoder is also use this simple script to convert your movies http://63.194.216.219/zmencoder.sh.txt |
| 18:42:25 | mutexer | There is a band called Spock's Beard? |
| 18:42:39 | chouimat | mutexer: yup |
| 18:42:42 | BigBoss | mutexer: yep, the most amazing band around |
| 18:42:53 | mutexer | what kind of music? |
| 18:42:57 | BigBoss | they have like 6 studio albums and about 5 live albums I think |
| 18:43:03 | chouimat | BigBoss: got the new Avantasia too :) |
| 18:43:15 | BigBoss | progressive - really the freshist and most amazing stuff you've heard |
| 18:43:21 | BigBoss | they are great live as well, they just really enjoy what they do |
| 18:43:30 | mutexer | like techno? |
| 18:43:46 | BigBoss | chouimat: I'm waiting on about 30 albums from InsideOut Music and Magna Carta for our radio station this week |
| 18:43:54 | BigBoss | mutexer: no,probably closer to gentle giant |
| 18:44:09 | mutexer | gentle giant doesnt ring a bell either |
| 18:44:21 | mutexer | is think this isnt something he would like |
| 18:44:25 | chouimat | BigBoss: hehe, I'm waiting for the new In flames |
| 18:44:30 | BigBoss | gentle giant is from the 70's - do you know what I mean when I say "progressive music" |
| 18:44:33 | BigBoss | ? |
| 18:44:39 | mutexer | nope |
| 18:44:45 | BigBoss | how old are you? |
| 18:44:48 | mutexer | 23 |
| 18:45:00 | BigBoss | ok, bit of history then - I'll keep it brief |
| 18:45:07 | mutexer | I dont listen to old music though |
| 18:45:17 | chouimat | BigBoss: hehe. I'm 28 |
| 18:45:22 | BigBoss | in the late 60's and early 70's there were bands like ELP, Yes, Genesis, etc that were considered to be Progressive |
| 18:45:26 | chouimat | mutexer: even Blasck Sabbath |
| 18:45:36 | mutexer | nope |
| 18:45:40 | BigBoss | bands like Queen, Kansas and Styx were considered pseudo-progressive as well as Rush |
| 18:46:12 | BigBoss | in the 80's there was rather a lull in this form of long songs and high musicianship, but in the last 10 to 15 years there has been a huge resurrgence |
| 18:46:14 | chouimat | BigBoss: Rush newest album is quite good |
| 18:46:27 | mutexer | I think its not my music |
| 18:46:28 | BigBoss | chouimat: I like it too, but it took me a bit to get used to it |
| 18:46:41 | mutexer | I like heavy metal and Gansta rap |
| 18:46:43 | chouimat | BigBoss: it's their heaviest |
| 18:46:49 | BigBoss | mutexer: possibly, but too bad because it really streatches the mind |
| 18:47:03 | BigBoss | mutexer: you might like Dream Theater and Symphony X and Karma |
| 18:47:11 | BigBoss | those guys play progressive metal |
| 18:47:23 | chouimat | mutexer: I'm listening to heavy metal and Progressive Metal like Opeth and Ayreon |
| 18:47:28 | BigBoss | no one on earth can play like Dream Theater, those guys raised the bar to a level you wouldn't believe |
| 18:47:37 | mutexer | all of these are "not big" artists Im guessing? |
| 18:47:44 | BigBoss | Ayreon is great - I like the Star One stuff he just did |
| 18:47:55 | BigBoss | Dream Theater is actually very well known, the sell out all over the place |
| 18:48:00 | mutexer | Ive never heard of any of them |
| 18:48:03 | chouimat | BigBoss: yup. But Opeth are very very great too |
| 18:48:05 | BigBoss | I really suggest finding some Dream Theater |
| 18:48:12 | mutexer | in what country? |
| 18:48:26 | BigBoss | Lemur Voice and Dali's Dilema are also very good |
| 18:48:29 | BigBoss | US and Europe |
| 18:48:44 | chouimat | BigBoss: Attention Deficit and Explorers Club |
| 18:48:57 | BigBoss | the problem is that all the radio stations are owned by 2 companies pretty much and they don't play crap |
| 18:49:09 | mutexer | I dont listen to the radio |
| 18:49:11 | BigBoss | chouimat: love EC but haven't really enjoyed AD that much |
| 18:49:14 | mutexer | all they play now is pop |
| 18:49:29 | chouimat | BigBoss: got the new EC? |
| 18:49:48 | mutexer | my friends wanted to start a local radiostation and play the music we like....never could find any info on it |
| 18:50:00 | BigBoss | chouimat: that's part of what I'm supposed to get this week from magna Carta as well as the new Bozzio album and the new Magellan one |
| 18:50:12 | BigBoss | we're playing Enchant right now on my station www.progrock.com |
| 18:50:36 | BigBoss | played all of the 2nd CD on 6 degrees of inner turbulance a little earlier, a nice 47 minute song :) |
| 18:52:00 | chouimat | BigBoss: try to get Green Carnantion's Light of day, Day of Darkness a little 60 minutes song :) |
| 18:52:35 | BigBoss | I'm sending emails to all the bands and labels I can find that are missing in my collection to get them on our rotation, but it's been hard getting any response |
| 18:53:37 | BigBoss | chouimat: a couple good sites if you don't know them, ghostland.com and http://www.cs.uu.nl/people/jur/progrock.html |
| 18:57:31 | chouimat | BigBoss: thnaks |
| 19:02:40 | Onyx4 | numatrix: hey |
| 19:02:42 | mutexer | can you get 56k wireless with the Z? |
| 19:03:05 | mutexer | or is it all less than 56k? |
| 19:04:48 | mutexer | would be sweet to plug my Z into my car and stream internet radio...actually have decent radio stations |
| 19:04:48 | sjohnson | mutexer: The wireless modem is a lot less then 56K. |
| 19:04:59 | BigBoss | yea, that would be cool |
| 19:05:00 | mutexer | that sucks |
| 19:07:21 | tux_mike | you may be able to get sprint 3g if they make a cf card |
| 19:07:37 | VerxWork | hey shawn |
| 19:07:39 | VerxWork | how goes it? |
| 19:07:46 | BigBoss | hey Joe - not bad |
| 19:07:51 | VerxWork | cool |
| 19:07:59 | BigBoss | how about yourself? you get the new mail beta? or were you on it? |
| 19:08:06 | VerxWork | yeah, I got the mail beta |
| 19:08:07 | Onyx4 | anyone wanna try my new mencoder script to convert DVD/Divx to the Z ? |
| 19:08:16 | rikkus | awakens |
| 19:08:26 | Onyx4 | I need beta testers :) |
| 19:08:26 | VerxWork | that and rekall are the most polished apps I have beta'd for you guys |
| 19:08:28 | VerxWork | oh, hi rikkus |
| 19:08:35 | VerxWork | rikkus: I was just talking bad about ya! :) |
| 19:08:48 | rikkus | VerxWork: heh, looks like a positive comment to me :P |
| 19:08:55 | VerxWork | rikkus: Yeah yeah |
| 19:08:56 | VerxWork | :) |
| 19:09:06 | rikkus | or has 'polished' changed meaning ? ;) |
| 19:09:11 | BigBoss | VerxHome: what about ToDo? |
| 19:09:17 | Harlekin | kergoth: ping |
| 19:09:30 | VerxWork | BigBoss: Todo is awesome, but what I really meant was the very first look at rekall and mail |
| 19:09:44 | VerxWork | todo is now (and got there VERY rapidly) just as polished |
| 19:10:02 | kergoth | Harlekin: pong |
| 19:10:05 | rikkus | mumbles something about todo needing 5 lines of code to be polished :} |
| 19:10:07 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: you should sell an application subscription. :P |
| 19:10:15 | rikkus | on top of the 5 existing ;) |
| 19:10:33 | VerxWork | rikkus: Heh, yeah, todo is a lot simpler by comparison |
| 19:10:34 | Harlekin | kergoth: ok, now would be a good time to build |
| 19:10:39 | BigBoss | VerxWork: true, you were involved with ToDo too early on :) |
| 19:10:41 | Harlekin | kergoth: or wait until qpe stuff is over |
| 19:10:55 | BigBoss | we've got like 4 or 5 new apps coming out in the next 2 weeks |
| 19:10:56 | VerxWork | BigBoss: Hey, I think it turned out for the best to be honest |
| 19:11:13 | BigBoss | yea, it's pretty darn cool |
| 19:11:16 | VerxWork | BigBoss: Did you ever get my test message from jabber? |
| 19:11:39 | BigBoss | VerxWork: I don't believe so - were you gatewayed or anything? |
| 19:11:41 | kergoth | Harlekin: I'm building now :-) |
| 19:11:43 | fusion94 | BigBoss: what type of apps ? |
| 19:11:52 | Neo|Work | so while there's people here - anyone know if one can query the keyboard state in Qtopia/ |
| 19:12:01 | VerxWork | BigBoss: Hrm. I am gatewayed, but "centericq" works fine |
| 19:12:06 | VerxWork | perhaps I need to open other ports |
| 19:12:14 | VerxWork | it correctly shows who is online and who isn't |
| 19:12:20 | Neo|Work | i.e query whether a specific key is pressed or get a list of all keys and whether they are pressed or not |
| 19:12:39 | BigBoss | fusion94: apps to sooth the soul and put hair on your head |
| 19:12:59 | VerxWork | BigBoss: Does jabber protocol mean that the jabber client itself doesn't do icq? It farms it out to a server using some other protocol and then that server sends the icq protocol message? |
| 19:13:02 | fusion94 | BigBoss: virtual hookers ?? cool |
| 19:13:15 | fusion94 | BigBoss: and i've got enough hair thanks.... |
| 19:13:28 | Neo|Work | my own code that keeps track of that tend to sometimes miss a key being released for some reason |
| 19:13:39 | Neo|Work | VerxWork: yes |
| 19:13:47 | VerxWork | oh, bigboss, did max tell you about our little tkcSync beta test on Saturday? |
| 19:13:53 | VerxWork | (or maybe it was Friday) |
| 19:14:03 | Neo|Work | VerxWork: Jabber uses an XML based protocol and the server handles all other protocols |
| 19:14:05 | BigBoss | VerxWork: the jabber server does the work of transporting to other IM services |
| 19:14:11 | Cloudchaser | Onyx4: i'd like to try your script |
| 19:14:15 | BigBoss | VerxWork: I think he did |
| 19:14:21 | | mencoder is an excellent mpeg4 encoder that can be used to encode movies for the zaurus, see http://www.mplayerhq.hu and for a frontend use kmencoder http://sourceforge.net/projects/kmencoder/ or use this simple script to convert my movies http://63.194.216.219/zmencoder.sh.txt |
| 19:14:21 | Onyx4 | ibot: mencoder |
| 19:14:23 | VerxWork | oh, ok, then yeah, I need to open other stuff on my firewall methinks |
| 19:14:28 | VerxWork | BigBoss: heh, it was pretty funny |
| 19:14:28 | Onyx4 | Cloudchaser: there you go |
| 19:14:43 | Onyx4 | I did a very nice encode last night of fast and furious , my first one with mencoder, much better so far |
| 19:14:56 | VerxWork | BigBoss: We thought it was in an infinite loop, but it turns out it was simply processing every single public folder in all of Boeing. :) |
| 19:15:11 | BigBoss | VerxWork: oh good god |
| 19:15:14 | VerxWork | heh |
| 19:15:14 | VerxWork | yeah |
| 19:15:25 | VerxWork | and today I got a security notice from Boeing Corporate |
| 19:15:27 | Ksd | Onyx4: is mencoder better than transcode? |
| 19:15:32 | Onyx4 | so far it seems so |
| 19:15:35 | VerxWork | wanting to know why I had inspected every single folder 3 times |
| 19:15:35 | VerxWork | heh |
| 19:15:45 | Onyx4 | still early to tell, I need more people to try it |
| 19:15:54 | Onyx4 | it's faster almost 1.5-2x |
| 19:17:00 | Onyx4 | plus it supports doing it from either dvd or divx so that's a bit better |
| 19:17:09 | BigBoss | VerxWork: oh shit - I hope you aren't in trouble |
| 19:17:18 | Onyx4 | but I tested only with divx->divx so far |
| 19:17:26 | VerxWork | nah |
| 19:17:37 | VerxWork | I am in the security group for Arizona |
| 19:17:55 | VerxWork | I told them I was testing security |
| 19:17:56 | VerxWork | heheh |
| 19:17:57 | | imm was last seen on #zaurus 2 hours, 52 minutes and 36 seconds ago, saying: ok, htg [Mon Sep 9 17:25:21 2002] |
| 19:17:57 | anselor | ibot seen imm |
| 19:18:15 | sjohnson | ponders "Who watches the watchmen?" |
| 19:18:19 | VerxWork | sjohnson: Oh, we watch ourselves |
| 19:18:19 | VerxWork | :) |
| 19:18:32 | kergoth | man, i love bitkeeper |
| 19:18:42 | kergoth | i just did something that wouldve taken over two hours with cvs in about 10 minutes |
| 19:18:49 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:18:50 | VerxWork | anyone here have an ipod? |
| 19:19:46 | BigBoss | yea, bitkeeper is cool, just really expensive |
| 19:20:22 | kergoth | BigBoss: indeed |
| 19:20:25 | kergoth | worth it though, imho ;-) |
| 19:21:03 | angry | Neo|Work: there? |
| 19:21:12 | Cloudchaser | what's bitkeeper? |
| 19:21:26 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: source control system, like cvs, only far superior |
| 19:21:46 | fusion94 | BigBoss: heh...i'm not a huge fan of bitkeeper, well i like bitkeeper, just not a fan of larry |
| 19:22:07 | kergoth | ibot: message for benmeyer: need to commit a .control, .desktop, and icon for opie-backup. :-) |
| 19:22:18 | BigBoss | I talked to alrry once on the phone, seemed nice enough |
| 19:22:50 | kergoth | i've never met the guy, but he seems competant in his mails to lkml |
| 19:22:51 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:25:09 | fusion94 | heh |
| 19:25:18 | fusion94 | he's just a flake sometimes is all... |
| 19:25:40 | fusion94 | doesn't show up for meetings, and didn't bother calling or emailing anyone to cancel...etc |
| 19:25:51 | fusion94 | just a pet peeve of mine |
| 19:26:15 | VerxWork | SOCKET WLS LAN CF CARD TYPE 1 FOR POCKET PC WINDOW WL6000-320 1 $135.00 $135.00 |
| 19:26:20 | VerxWork | awaits delivery |
| 19:26:21 | VerxWork | :) |
| 19:26:41 | BigBoss | fusion94: that would piss me off too |
| 19:27:46 | fusion94 | BigBoss: yeah, after 6 years in the military i got used to being punctual or at least notifying ppl if i was going to be late... |
| 19:28:08 | BigBoss | I'm really anal about that myself |
| 19:28:26 | rikkus | kergoth: what would have taken over 2 hours with CVS ? |
| 19:29:08 | kergoth | rikkus: painstaking merges involving shitloads of renames and moves, that wouldve been scripted, if not manual, with cvs |
| 19:29:22 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 19:29:30 | rikkus | kergoth: I see |
| 19:29:30 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: wheres benmeyer? |
| 19:29:44 | fusion94 | real programmers don't use CVS, they just email each other the source code and cut and paste alot |
| 19:29:48 | kergoth | fusion94: hah |
| 19:29:49 | rikkus | kergoth: CVS certainly chokes as soon as want to rename or move something |
| 19:29:57 | fusion94 | :) |
| 19:30:15 | kergoth | rikkus: indeed, and you lose file history if you just rm & add |
| 19:30:28 | kergoth | rikkus: so one has to often revert to physical moves on the repository itself, which is a pain |
| 19:30:34 | rikkus | kergoth: yep, at KDE we move stuff on the server itself |
| 19:30:35 | kergoth | (if you want to retain history anyway) |
| 19:30:35 | rikkus | indeed |
| 19:30:39 | kergoth | yeah |
| 19:31:14 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth sup |
| 19:31:19 | TheMasterMind1 | is back |
| 19:31:29 | fusion94 | rikkus: speaking of KDE, is Kurt Granroth still involved ? |
| 19:31:39 | BigBoss | I remember reading a while back of some OSS fork or new version of CVS that was supposed to solve a lot of things, but can't remember |
| 19:31:46 | BigBoss | fusion94: both Kurt and Rikkus work for me |
| 19:31:52 | fusion94 | what ?/ |
| 19:31:57 | fusion94 | awww.fuck me |
| 19:32:01 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth fix the multiple-cvs-update thing :D |
| 19:32:04 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: easier said than done |
| 19:32:05 | fusion94 | fires BigBoss |
| 19:32:36 | rikkus | BigBoss: I think it was called 'subversion' |
| 19:32:47 | fusion94 | BigBoss: you hire kurt as a programmer for ya ? |
| 19:32:47 | Dr_Who | kergoth: stumper of the day ... what's the next step after this: |
| 19:32:48 | Cloudchaser | hiya rikkus: |
| 19:32:54 | Dr_Who | building libc6 |
| 19:32:54 | rikkus | Cloudchaser: hi |
| 19:33:00 | BigBoss | fusion94: what's wrong with them working for me? Kurt is temp, basically I needed some help and he needed a short term job |
| 19:33:21 | BigBoss | Kurt mostly stopped doing things for KDE a while ago, he got burned pretty bad last year |
| 19:33:29 | numatrix | hey Onyx4, sorry, I'm kinda in and out. How goes it? |
| 19:33:37 | fusion94 | BigBoss: heh iwas joking, i like kurt, he was my POC when KDE was transitioning over to SF |
| 19:33:37 | Dr_Who | rm /home/tgall/oz/build/ipktemp/libc6/usr/share/locale/locale.alias |
| 19:33:38 | Onyx4 | I wrote a script for mencoder |
| 19:33:47 | Dr_Who | kergoth: things come to a complete halt after that |
| 19:33:55 | kergoth | Dr_Who: hm. hangs, or errors? |
| 19:34:01 | Dr_Who | make ends |
| 19:34:12 | Dr_Who | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/tgall/oz/ |
| 19:34:33 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 19:34:34 | Onyx4 | numatrix: so far much better results and speed, still testing |
| 19:34:34 | Dr_Who | o wait |
| 19:34:38 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth what else have you been up to? |
| 19:34:39 | Dr_Who | (rm $(STAGING_DIR)/usr/share/locale/locale.alias; true) && \ |
| 19:34:41 | BigBoss | fusion94: kurts a really good guy, I've always liked him, I was glad to have a chance to work with him directly |
| 19:34:43 | TheMasterMind1 | i saw that qt is now qte |
| 19:34:54 | Onyx4 | IF you guys downloaded my mencoder script, re-download it again, there was a small syntax bug |
| 19:34:55 | Dr_Who | think that might not be evaluating to true? |
| 19:35:11 | fusion94 | BigBoss: yeah he is. i didn't realize he had left SuSE though |
| 19:35:12 | W|GGL|T | damn...ups man is here, he's getting ready to get out of the truck then it starts raining hard as hell |
| 19:35:20 | W|GGL|T | he's been out there waiting like 10 min |
| 19:35:43 | Cloudchaser | hiya w |
| 19:35:46 | kergoth | Dr_Who: it runs that within a subshell, and immediately after that it runs 'true' to ensure the subshell returns a proper exit code |
| 19:35:51 | kergoth | Dr_Who: so thats odd. |
| 19:35:53 | Cloudchaser | er W|GGL|T that is |
| 19:35:54 | kergoth | Dr_Who: current cvs? |
| 19:35:58 | TheMasterMind1 | time to compile konq and mplayer and all the rest of that funstuff for OZ |
| 19:36:02 | TheMasterMind1 | op2 also |
| 19:36:03 | Onyx4 | http://63.194.216.219/zmencoder.sh.txt |
| 19:36:09 | whardier | wtf! |
| 19:36:10 | Cloudchaser | thanks Onyx4 |
| 19:36:23 | W|GGL|T | hi Cloudchaser |
| 19:36:36 | W|GGL|T | got my cf and sd now...box is all wet |
| 19:36:38 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: op2 might need patches from harlekin for xine |
| 19:36:40 | Dr_Who | kergoth: be a few weeks back cvs wise |
| 19:36:46 | Cloudchaser | aw dry it off |
| 19:36:49 | whardier | do you really do three pass encoding? |
| 19:36:54 | Dr_Who | kergoth: I need to get your next stuff into mystuff |
| 19:37:03 | Onyx4 | wow this mencoder is FAST, 55fps |
| 19:37:13 | Onyx4 | I can encode the movie in 2 pass for the same amount of times it takes to play it back |
| 19:37:18 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth ok |
| 19:37:20 | kergoth | Dr_Who: added bk support, added sourcetree depdencies (you can now depend on a source tree having been extracted), etc |
| 19:37:31 | kergoth | Dr_Who: iirc drevil saw the problem you're seeing, i dont think he does anymore |
| 19:37:43 | TheMasterMind1 | dr_who == drevil ? |
| 19:37:49 | Dr_Who | ok ... well I think I must just code around it in the meantime |
| 19:37:52 | kergoth | no |
| 19:37:54 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 19:37:59 | Dr_Who | naw.... I'm not that evil |
| 19:38:02 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:38:11 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: we use qt 2.3.4 now |
| 19:38:15 | TheMasterMind1 | oh? |
| 19:38:23 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: snapshot. opie wont be happy if we use anything previous now |
| 19:38:25 | TheMasterMind1 | are there opie patches now? |
| 19:38:28 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: it depends on qt 2.3.4 functions |
| 19:38:30 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yep |
| 19:38:34 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i'll commit this crap in a few |
| 19:38:36 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 19:38:36 | TheMasterMind1 | nice |
| 19:38:40 | TheMasterMind1 | fixor it |
| 19:38:58 | TheMasterMind1 | who changed sdmmc ? |
| 19:39:06 | kergoth | the snapshot is a tarball, no more extracting a src.rpm |
| 19:39:07 | kergoth | i did |
| 19:39:13 | TheMasterMind1 | its bitching at me |
| 19:39:19 | TheMasterMind1 | *** Warning: The following files have a UID greater than 99. |
| 19:39:19 | TheMasterMind1 | You probably want to chown these to a system user: |
| 19:39:19 | TheMasterMind1 | drwxr-sr-x 2 1000 src 4096 Aug 5 23:41 ./CONTROL |
| 19:39:28 | kergoth | now it forces the module in, to make sure it loads even if you're testing the new 2.4.7 kenrel |
| 19:39:28 | kergoth | er |
| 19:39:29 | kergoth | thats odd |
| 19:39:29 | kergoth | lemme sanity check |
| 19:39:49 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: you're building as root right? |
| 19:39:53 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
| 19:39:57 | kergoth | ah |
| 19:40:00 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 19:40:02 | TheMasterMind1 | it just updated |
| 19:40:06 | TheMasterMind1 | i did a cvs up |
| 19:40:15 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:40:32 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 19:40:46 | TheMasterMind1 | so what's new in qte2.3.4 |
| 19:41:11 | kergoth | fixes, and a nofitication on app exit, so we wont have the icons on the taskbar for apps that arent running anymore |
| 19:41:12 | TheMasterMind1 | and how do we get this to compile with optimizations :d |
| 19:41:27 | tux_mike | kergoth: thank god! |
| 19:41:32 | VerxWork | you know |
| 19:41:33 | TheMasterMind1 | Obtaining sources of opie... |
| 19:41:33 | TheMasterMind1 | Obtaining sources of opie... |
| 19:41:33 | TheMasterMind1 | Obtaining sources of opie... |
| 19:41:36 | TheMasterMind1 | i thought you fixed that? |
| 19:41:45 | numatrix | Onyx4: the memcoder script looks like it's working. I had memcoder workign, so I'm glad you did the rewrite. I'm trying it on the x-files movie now, I'll let you know how it goes. |
| 19:41:53 | VerxWork | I will -*NEVER*- -*EVER*- order anything from a company that doesn't have a phone number where people answer the phones |
| 19:41:53 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: tried to, but it didnt like me |
| 19:42:04 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth interesting |
| 19:42:06 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: so we just deal with it for now |
| 19:42:07 | TheMasterMind1 | oh well |
| 19:42:07 | Onyx4 | numatrix: cool |
| 19:42:08 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: heh |
| 19:42:09 | VerxWork | companies that do this "support through email only to keep our costs down" never answer their frigging email |
| 19:42:19 | TheMasterMind1 | anything i can read on making optimized stuff? |
| 19:42:23 | TheMasterMind1 | arm-v4l or whatever |
| 19:42:36 | Onyx4 | numatrix: mencoder seems to be better cause it has ABR with lame that I can get better sound quality and also libavcodec encodes real well with b frames |
| 19:42:47 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: gcc man page |
| 19:42:53 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: see the -march and -mcpu flags |
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| 19:43:14 | TheMasterMind1 | w00t |
| 19:43:29 | numatrix | TheMasterMind1: umm, what the heck? |
| 19:43:46 | BigBoss | isn't there an #opie channel or something? |
| 19:44:03 | kergoth | yep |
| 19:44:05 | kergoth | there's also #openzaurus |
| 19:44:08 | kergoth | hey BZFlag |
| 19:44:16 | whardier | you bastards |
| 19:44:20 | TheMasterMind1 | numatrix buy.com is gonna gimme $65 back on my zaurus purchase |
| 19:44:23 | ntropy | hey, look it's Tim (BZFlag) |
| 19:44:34 | Onyx4 | numatrix: it uses 3 pass , 1st=audio only, 2nd=mpeg4 1st pass, then 3rd=final pass |
| 19:44:36 | ntropy | TheMasterMind1: oh! how did you do that? |
| 19:44:37 | numatrix | TheMasterMind1: excellent. For a second, I thought it was a $65 zaurus. ;-) |
| 19:44:58 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 19:45:01 | Onyx4 | numatrix: let me know how much fps you're getting , it seems odd it's soo fast |
| 19:45:10 | TheMasterMind1 | ntropy i bought it for $400 and then they changed their price |
| 19:45:17 | ntropy | TheMasterMind1: ah, nice. |
| 19:45:17 | TheMasterMind1 | so i demanded a refund |
| 19:45:19 | rikkus | "Boss, I implemented this great cost saving measure. echo '> /dev/null' > ~support/.qmail' |
| 19:45:31 | Cloudchaser | numatrix: you are having good results resizing videos |
| 19:45:36 | Cloudchaser | ? |
| 19:45:45 | numatrix | Cloudchaser: let you know in a few minutues when this finishes... :-0 |
| 19:45:58 | Cloudchaser | hehe you used that script of Onyx4:? |
| 19:46:09 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 19:46:10 | numatrix | Yup; I had some trouble with his previous script, I'm trying the new one now. |
| 19:46:11 | TheMasterMind1 | what should i buy... |
| 19:46:19 | Cloudchaser | ah neat |
| 19:46:24 | Onyx4 | yeah transcode is a PITA to get working with xvid |
| 19:46:32 | Cloudchaser | i have to figure out how to get mcoder installed |
| 19:46:36 | Cloudchaser | mencoder |
| 19:46:42 | Onyx4 | mencoder has everything in it when you compile it so it's less prone to fail |
| 19:46:50 | | somebody said mencoder was an excellent mpeg4 encoder that can be used to encode movies for the zaurus, see http://www.mplayerhq.hu and for a frontend use kmencoder http://sourceforge.net/projects/kmencoder/ or use this simple script to convert my movies http://63.194.216.219/zmencoder.sh.txt |
| 19:46:50 | Cloudchaser | ibot mencoder |
| 19:48:11 | Neo|Work | anyone here had working conversion from say divx or svcd to vcd? I want to watch my SG-1 episodes on the tv but always fail to convert.. |
| 19:48:35 | Onyx4 | transcode can do that already |
| 19:48:55 | Onyx4 | but the cmdline is hard to figure out :) |
| 19:49:25 | Neo|Work | I tried with transcode and either it fails with some cryptic error or the output video is like one-coloroed |
| 19:49:26 | whardier | blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah |
| 19:49:28 | Neo|Work | and I don't get it |
| 19:49:34 | whardier | I would not have said that if I had anything funner to do at the moment |
| 19:49:39 | Neo|Work | and mencoder only outputs avis' it seems |
| 19:49:41 | whardier | but I don't |
| 19:49:41 | whardier | so |
| 19:49:43 | whardier | blah blah blah |
| 19:50:04 | whardier | Neo|Work avi or mpeg1 |
| 19:50:19 | whardier | avi using divx coded .. or any of the codecs that support encoding in the w32 package |
| 19:50:25 | whardier | codec |
| 19:50:25 | whardier | heh |
| 19:50:27 | Neo|Work | I haven't gotten mpeg1 out of it. avi packed using mpeg codec perhaps.. |
| 19:50:39 | whardier | what? |
| 19:50:45 | Neo|Work | if anyone has a working command line I'd be happy |
| 19:50:50 | whardier | -lavcops codec=mpeg1video |
| 19:50:50 | whardier | heh |
| 19:51:04 | Neo|Work | right. that uses mpeg1video as the coded but puts it in an avi file |
| 19:51:08 | Neo|Work | not an mpeg file |
| 19:51:10 | whardier | just make the output file have a .mpg extension if you encode with mpeg1video :) |
| 19:51:11 | Neo|Work | or something like that |
| 19:51:27 | whardier | it does not have avi headers |
| 19:51:28 | whardier | its an mpeg |
| 19:51:30 | whardier | mpeg1 |
| 19:51:31 | whardier | sorry |
| 19:52:36 | whardier | anybody feel like being insulted |
| 19:52:44 | whardier | I have a rampage going... and my feet aren't tired yet |
| 19:52:47 | Neo|Work | : 0 neotron@stellar file out/test.mpg |
| 19:52:47 | Neo|Work | out/test.mpg: RICE image v17990 (0 x 0) |
| 19:52:50 | Neo|Work | that is avi |
| 19:52:52 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth i don't see too much about optimization in the gcc manpage.. nothing about arm-v4l |
| 19:53:08 | Neo|Work | -ovc lavc -oac mp3lame -lameopts br=128:cbr -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg1video:vbitrate=1150 |
| 19:53:15 | whardier | Neo|work whats it say on an mpeg file you trust then? |
| 19:53:30 | Neo|Work | MPEG system stream data |
| 19:53:36 | whardier | funky |
| 19:53:38 | Onyx4 | actually for mpeg1 audio you need to use mp2 not mp3 |
| 19:53:54 | Harlekin | Onyx4: can that other encoder to ogm? |
| 19:54:03 | whardier | ffmpeg can produce vcd style mpegs |
| 19:54:12 | TheMasterMind1 | Harlekin where do i get patches etc to compile op2 myself? |
| 19:54:15 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: armv4l is the architecture setting, instead of just 'arm' which is general for all arm cpus, you set armv4l, which is just that, arm v4 |
| 19:54:28 | Onyx4 | Harlekin: you mean if mencoder will do ogm? |
| 19:54:30 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: which |
| 19:54:34 | Harlekin | Onyx4: yes |
| 19:54:44 | TheMasterMind1 | Harlekin i want to compile op2 for oz feed.. what do i need? |
| 19:54:48 | Onyx4 | Harlekin: I know they are big on ogg support, so haven't checked yet on ogm |
| 19:54:50 | Neo|Work | Onyx4: well, it still isn't right.. |
| 19:55:09 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: xine 0.9.13 header files |
| 19:55:10 | Onyx4 | Harlekin: I think you just do your audio and video and then use the ogmmerge tools |
| 19:55:18 | Harlekin | and take the lib from the ipk for linking |
| 19:55:31 | Harlekin | Onyx4: but since mplayer can decode ogm |
| 19:55:37 | Harlekin | maybe it can encode directly too |
| 19:55:42 | Onyx4 | true |
| 19:55:48 | Onyx4 | can op2 read ogm yet? |
| 19:57:04 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: fyi, i'm fighting with the old drivers from lineo's patch for 2.4.6 to make it work in 2.4.latest, then i'll start replacing drivers and code with my more sane versions.. decided to try a different approach |
| 19:57:08 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: heh |
| 19:59:59 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 20:00:01 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 20:00:02 | W|GGL|T | cool...sd card works like a charm |
| 20:00:06 | TheMasterMind1 | is it working any better? |
| 20:00:13 | Cloudchaser | :) thats great W|GGL|T |
| 20:00:16 | W|GGL|T | now, time for some mp3s :o) |
| 20:00:19 | Cloudchaser | going to fill it up now? |
| 20:00:27 | W|GGL|T | yeah |
| 20:00:27 | Cloudchaser | what size did you get? |
| 20:00:36 | W|GGL|T | 128mb |
| 20:00:37 | Cloudchaser | nice |
| 20:00:38 | whardier | spuff! |
| 20:00:40 | TheMasterMind1 | openzaurus-minimal is good! |
| 20:00:40 | whardier | err |
| 20:00:41 | whardier | spiff! |
| 20:00:45 | TheMasterMind1 | leaves 15megs free on / |
| 20:01:29 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth commit the qte2.3.4 stuff |
| 20:02:12 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth also, that guy you told me to talk to about knoq/e compiling is never online.. |
| 20:03:01 | Ksd | when i try to play some mp3 file with opieplayer_0.9.1 i get "no appropriate decoders found" |
| 20:03:11 | Ksd | what should i do? |
| 20:04:02 | phatcat | what's up with the package manager how am i suppose to get konqueror on my opie? |
| 20:04:24 | kergoth | phatcat: hit update, exit, rerun it, tap on konqueror, hit install |
| 20:04:32 | kergoth | phatcat: assuming you're installing over the network to the feed |
| 20:04:36 | Neo|Work | hmm "'mencvcd' script - helps creating VCD/SVCD with mencoder" |
| 20:04:41 | Neo|Work | I should upgrade my mplayer |
| 20:04:55 | phatcat | nope, from compact flash |
| 20:05:00 | TheMasterMind1 | ../xconfigure --disable-debug --enable-static --disable-shared |
| 20:05:01 | TheMasterMind1 | --enable-qt-embedded --enable-qpe --with-extra-libs=$PWD/../lib/ |
| 20:05:01 | TheMasterMind1 | --with-extra-includes=$PWD/../include -without-ssl |
| 20:05:01 | TheMasterMind1 | --prefix=$PWD/../install |
| 20:05:03 | TheMasterMind1 | yum |
| 20:05:04 | kergoth | phatcat: tap on it in the docs tab. |
| 20:05:11 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: whats that frmo? |
| 20:05:14 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: xine? |
| 20:05:16 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
| 20:05:21 | TheMasterMind1 | konqeror.com/embedded |
| 20:05:23 | kergoth | ah |
| 20:05:33 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: you realize you have to pull down kdelibs and the like right |
| 20:05:34 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: heh |
| 20:05:39 | TheMasterMind1 | eh? |
| 20:05:57 | phatcat | documents won't open |
| 20:06:03 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: you grabbing it from kde cvs? kdenox module? |
| 20:06:06 | kergoth | phatcat: huh? |
| 20:06:10 | TheMasterMind1 | source from the KDE CVS Repository , in the kdenox module. Note that besides this module you will also need the kdelibs module for building. Make sure your copy of kdelibs resides in the same directory as the kdenox module. |
| 20:06:13 | tux_mike | http://www.sgi.com/newsroom/press_releases/2002/september/stream.html 120GB/sec :P~~~~~~~~ |
| 20:06:18 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yep, precisely |
| 20:06:33 | phatcat | yeah it's not coming up |
| 20:06:43 | kergoth | phatcat: i need more information than that |
| 20:06:43 | TheMasterMind1 | does this even work with opie |
| 20:06:46 | TheMasterMind1 | ? |
| 20:06:47 | kergoth | phatcat: thats completely useless. |
| 20:06:48 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: of course |
| 20:06:53 | TheMasterMind1 | it requires QPEDIR to be set |
| 20:06:53 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 20:06:59 | phatcat | i'm going to reformat and try again |
| 20:06:59 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: groucho built new konq packages th other day |
| 20:07:05 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: most qtopia/opie apps require QPEDIR to be set |
| 20:07:14 | TheMasterMind1 | i see |
| 20:07:14 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: (just not the ones in opie itself, generally) |
| 20:07:27 | TheMasterMind1 | so QPEDIR would be set to opie's dir? |
| 20:07:30 | kergoth | yep |
| 20:08:33 | | Slashdot - Updated 2002-09-09 20:37:53 | Physics Books for the Novice? | Classic Computer Vulnerability Analysis Revisited | Printer Makers' Ploys | Ask Eric Blossom about Software-Defined Radio |
| 20:08:33 | BigBoss | ibot slashdot |
| 20:09:53 | phatcat | kergoth: i get nothing, no icons, no files |
| 20:10:07 | phatcat | like it acts like there are no docs |
| 20:11:12 | kergoth | phatcat: ugh, yep, its broken |
| 20:11:31 | phatcat | hmm... like really broken? |
| 20:11:40 | kergoth | phatcat: oipkg wont handle the new ipk format correctly. most ipks you get from zsi and the like will work fine, but hte oz and opie ipks are a new format, an its not handling it correctly |
| 20:12:07 | phatcat | ok so i have to update ipkf right? |
| 20:12:11 | kergoth | ? |
| 20:12:13 | phatcat | or ipkg |
| 20:12:16 | junxster | will work for cheap colo |
| 20:12:16 | kergoth | oipkg is *broken* |
| 20:12:22 | phatcat | oh |
| 20:12:25 | kergoth | there is *no* fix until tille fixes the bug |
| 20:12:25 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:12:43 | kergoth | you can install them into flash manually from the commandline, but you cant install them to sd/cf/mtdram from the command line without manually symlinking it |
| 20:12:49 | kergoth | 'ipkg install /mnt/cf/blah.ipk' |
| 20:12:59 | phatcat | ok, cool |
| 20:13:04 | kergoth | starts creating bug reports in the opie bug tracker |
| 20:13:13 | kergoth | extremis: i've got a initrd if you want to test it |
| 20:13:29 | kergoth | extremis: i'm not releasing it today, i found at least 3 opie bugs that need fixing |
| 20:14:57 | fusion94 | kergoth: opie bugs ?? no way....must be due to all the "cut and paste" commits... :P |
| 20:16:27 | numatrix | is away: I'm not here. |
| 20:17:30 | Harlekin | kergoth: i think i know what is happening |
| 20:19:41 | extremis | kergoth: dcc |
| 20:23:37 | umopapisdn | Regarding ipkg, if anyone is using the command line to install packages to cf/sd cards, I've written a little bashscript that can create/remove all the links for the ipk-packages installed to cf/sd cards. Just yell if you're interested. |
| 20:25:23 | Neo|Work | umopapisdn: nice |
| 20:27:41 | kergoth | Harlekin: hah, the oipkg problem was just that OZ didnt have 'ar' installed by default |
| 20:27:48 | Harlekin | hehe |
| 20:27:54 | Harlekin | so oipkg need a depend on ar? |
| 20:27:57 | kergoth | Harlekin; i just patched it to make it also try dpkg-deb if ar failss. |
| 20:28:06 | kergoth | Harlekin: Depends = dpkg-deb || ar maybe? |
| 20:28:06 | Harlekin | doesnt ipkg has it included? |
| 20:28:18 | Harlekin | your call |
| 20:28:26 | kergoth | k |
| 20:28:26 | Harlekin | just change it to what you think |
| 20:28:29 | kergoth | will do |
| 20:28:37 | kergoth | so you have an idea on why its prompting to close the apps? |
| 20:28:42 | Harlekin | hehe |
| 20:28:46 | Harlekin | its a security timer |
| 20:28:52 | Harlekin | which is supposed to catch crashed apps |
| 20:28:57 | Harlekin | not sure why it is triggered |
| 20:29:03 | kergoth | i figured that :) |
| 20:31:34 | kergoth | any idea on the font size list? wonder if that broke due to qt change |
| 20:32:54 | Harlekin | kergoth: maybe |
| 20:34:13 | kergoth | QValueList<int> smoothies = fdb.smoothSizes( fontfamily, fontstyle ); |
| 20:34:19 | kergoth | thats how it populates the list |
| 20:34:28 | kergoth | wonder if smoothSizes changed |
| 20:40:36 | KallDrexx | um |
| 20:40:38 | KallDrexx | question |
| 20:40:51 | KallDrexx | why does the latest initrd.bin that's posted on OZ site seem VERY slow? |
| 20:41:43 | W|GGL|T | good lord...uploading to sd card is slllooowww |
| 20:42:36 | kergoth | KallDrexx: shouldnt be. but upgrade your packages from the feed if you're concerned |
| 20:43:35 | sig | wow, my z went dead for the first time and I lost all my information... |
| 20:43:38 | sig | fuck! |
| 20:43:50 | W|GGL|T | how'd it go dead? battery? |
| 20:43:55 | sig | yeah |
| 20:44:00 | sig | :( |
| 20:44:04 | W|GGL|T | didn't back it up? |
| 20:44:13 | sig | lost all my stuff |
| 20:44:16 | W|GGL|T | i back up like there's no tomorrow |
| 20:44:19 | sig | nope, no windows machine |
| 20:44:37 | sig | wow, this sucks |
| 20:44:48 | sig | heh |
| 20:45:05 | sig | well, time to go type like a mofo and put all the crap back on... |
| 20:45:10 | mark | W|GGL|T: if there is no tomorrow, there is little need to back up |
| 20:45:18 | sig | is away, |
| 20:47:04 | sig | lol |
| 20:47:42 | W|GGL|T | mark: you missed a word....'like' |
| 20:47:48 | W|GGL|T | simile |
| 20:48:20 | W|GGL|T | later sig...might wanna back up from now on |
| 20:48:22 | W|GGL|T | :o) |
| 20:48:31 | sig | hehehe |
| 20:48:32 | sig | yup |
| 20:48:33 | sig | later |
| 20:48:33 | W|GGL|T | can the z handle cron jobs? |
| 20:48:38 | kergoth | ben meyer needs to add an icon for opie-backup |
| 20:48:55 | kergoth | W|GGL|T: if you install cron.. its a linux box like any other |
| 20:49:19 | mark | kergoth: will it run tasks while suspended? |
| 20:49:45 | W|GGL|T | so, that means there's a Z-specific cron or a any cron will fit on the Z? |
| 20:50:04 | KallDrexx | kergoth: nethack takes longer to laod than before, and i have slwodowns in solitar-jm |
| 20:50:11 | KallDrexx | it just feels slower but i'll upgrade anyway |
| 20:50:22 | kergoth | KallDrexx: *upgrade*. there was an issue with qpe using up 100% of hte cpu. |
| 20:50:23 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:50:48 | KallDrexx | heh |
| 20:50:50 | KallDrexx | ok i'll do that |
| 20:50:57 | KallDrexx | qpe? i thought OZ used opie |
| 20:51:00 | W|GGL|T | the z may be a linux box like any other but its also quite different...VERY limited resources |
| 20:51:00 | kergoth | it does |
| 20:51:08 | kergoth | the launcher binary is still called qpe for compatibility reasons |
| 20:51:22 | kergoth | W|GGL|T: dood, i ran linux on my p166 with no problems |
| 20:51:25 | KallDrexx | ah |
| 20:51:29 | kergoth | W|GGL|T: and my 486 and 386dx33 before that |
| 20:51:30 | W|GGL|T | in your pocket? |
| 20:51:35 | kergoth | no, thats irrelevant |
| 20:51:38 | W|GGL|T | heh |
| 20:51:48 | kergoth | this thing has more ram than those boxes did too |
| 20:51:49 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:51:56 | kergoth | yeah, i think it can handle a cron job |
| 20:52:45 | KallDrexx | btw kergoth, i love how that today app shows up except there's one problem with it |
| 20:53:03 | KallDrexx | it crashes any app that you were in on startup |
| 20:53:26 | KallDrexx | or it closes it in a bad way |
| 20:53:41 | KallDrexx | since qpe-nethack died on me after that (had to reinstall) and solitare-jm the game was restarted |
| 20:54:36 | kergoth | if you disable autostart of today does the problem go away? |
| 20:55:01 | KallDrexx | havne't tried.. how do i disable it? |
| 20:55:27 | kergoth | options in today |
| 20:55:36 | KallDrexx | ah yeah i see it |
| 20:55:44 | kergoth | tap on the wrench |
| 20:55:46 | kergoth | ah, k good |
| 20:56:12 | KallDrexx | erm actualy |
| 20:56:16 | KallDrexx | it still does it |
| 20:56:27 | KallDrexx | crashed out of solitare when i got out of suspend |
| 20:56:32 | kergoth | so apps dont survive suspend? thats a app issue |
| 20:56:40 | kergoth | the app gets a signal on suspend and on resume so it can behave itself |
| 20:56:41 | KallDrexx | but they've survived before |
| 20:56:49 | kergoth | (SIGSTP, SIGCONT) |
| 20:56:51 | kergoth | before when? |
| 20:57:04 | KallDrexx | with sharp rom and that other initrd.bin i had from TheMasterMind1 before |
| 20:57:21 | kergoth | well the suspend code in opie has changed |
| 20:57:27 | kergoth | i'll update the feed in a few, and see if that helps |
| 20:57:31 | KallDrexx | k |
| 20:58:32 | extremis | hrm, wireless bug |
| 20:58:38 | kergoth | ? |
| 20:58:58 | kergoth | hold on, i have an idea |
| 20:59:39 | KallDrexx | btw is there a way to tkae off that wireless icon on the taskbar? since i odn't have wirless it'sj ust taking up space |
| 20:59:54 | kergoth | KallDrexx: uninstall it. |
| 20:59:57 | kergoth | i dont see why people dont get this |
| 21:00:01 | kergoth | if you dont need it, *remove* it |
| 21:00:08 | kergoth | its taking up room in flash you can use |
| 21:00:17 | kergoth | in OZ the flash is writable, you can do what you like |
| 21:00:26 | KallDrexx | kergoth: whta pp is it/ |
| 21:00:30 | KallDrexx | app |
| 21:00:33 | kergoth | KallDrexx: 'opie-wirelessapplet' |
| 21:00:39 | KallDrexx | ah ok thanks |
| 21:00:42 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:00:58 | kergoth | extremis: ahah doh |
| 21:01:08 | kergoth | extremis: there's no kernel modules installed in that initrd i sent you |
| 21:01:09 | kergoth | extremis: lol |
| 21:01:15 | extremis | :) |
| 21:01:17 | extremis | neat |
| 21:01:29 | kergoth | new one coming up, with the 'do you want to kill this app' thing disabled |
| 21:01:30 | extremis | yeah, I see that modprobe is bitching |
| 21:01:34 | extremis | cool |
| 21:01:44 | extremis | I don't have my dev environment setup |
| 21:01:44 | kergoth | and oipkg should handle the new ipk format properly now |
| 21:01:45 | extremis | yet |
| 21:01:51 | kergoth | but the appearance font size list is still screwy |
| 21:01:52 | extremis | so, will you build it for me? |
| 21:01:56 | extremis | I feel helpless |
| 21:01:57 | extremis | heh |
| 21:01:57 | kergoth | yeah, i'm working on it now |
| 21:02:07 | kergoth | its building the kernel now |
| 21:02:12 | extremis | wonderful |
| 21:02:20 | extremis | typically how long does it take on your machine? |
| 21:03:52 | KallDrexx | oh yeah and kergoth, on the initrd.bin that TheMasterMind1 sent me it had a much better filemanager (advanced file manager or something lke that) is that in the feed? |
| 21:04:04 | extremis | yes |
| 21:04:11 | extremis | that is always the first thing I replace |
| 21:04:12 | extremis | :) |
| 21:04:52 | KallDrexx | hehe |
| 21:04:55 | kergoth | extremis: advancedfm is preinstalled in the initrd's i'm working on |
| 21:04:58 | KallDrexx | i gotta get connectivity working in linux |
| 21:05:05 | kergoth | extremis: i took themastermind1's cue on that |
| 21:05:05 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:05:12 | extremis | :) |
| 21:06:44 | KallDrexx | Onyx4: you here? |
| 21:36:47 | oGMo | gah |
| 21:36:50 | oGMo | i saved a hancomsheet document and now it won't load |
| 21:37:05 | oGMo | no error no nothing, hancomsheet just quits, although echo $? gives a 255 |
| 21:37:26 | oGMo | anyone know of a conversion tool or repair utility? :P |
| 21:41:22 | NappyRoots | yo yo whats up room? |
| 21:44:49 | KallDrexx | guess he wanted to talk badly |
| 21:45:13 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 21:45:29 | W|GGL|T | nice greeting...'yo yo whats up room?' |
| 21:45:50 | MagiCs | is away: * Coding * |
| 21:48:41 | jbwiv | hello all... |
| 21:50:42 | oGMo | any other apps open hancom stuff? |
| 22:03:49 | imm | hi |
| 22:07:11 | jbwivjedit | hello imm |
| 22:10:55 | ciaolinux | benmeyer: do you know what the situation with the Z is? |
| 22:11:13 | W|GGL|T | tomorrow im gonna see how long i can run down the battery playing mp3s with the backlight off |
| 22:12:04 | mutexer | anyone from canada? |
| 22:13:08 | W|GGL|T | tx |
| 22:13:37 | ibz | benmeyer: kinkattalite? |
| 22:16:49 | kergoth | someone here on a sharp rom? |
| 22:16:58 | Cloudchaser | i am |
| 22:17:06 | jbwivjedit | i am as well |
| 22:17:18 | kergoth | mind doing a find /etc/ -name S\*sd\* -print for me? |
| 22:17:21 | W|GGL|T | i am |
| 22:17:38 | kergoth | i'm curious as to where they put the sd driver start in the boot process |
| 22:18:05 | KallDrexx | jeez ipkg upgrade takes a long time |
| 22:18:25 | benmeyer | kergoth: i am |
| 22:20:12 | Cloudchaser | kergoth: /etc/rc.d/rc3.d/s04sd |
| 22:20:35 | Cloudchaser | /etc/rc.d/rc4.d/s04sd |
| 22:20:46 | Cloudchaser | /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/s04sd |
| 22:20:49 | W|GGL|T | you beat me to it! |
| 22:20:50 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 22:20:59 | Cloudchaser | :) |
| 22:21:18 | KallDrexx | heh |
| 22:21:21 | W|GGL|T | i was typing it, too, saw you, then quit |
| 22:21:34 | KallDrexx | waits patiently for ipkg upgrade to finish |
| 22:26:23 | kergoth | thanks Cloudchaser |
| 22:27:00 | Cloudchaser | anytime ;) |
| 22:27:10 | Cloudchaser | what was thats btw? |
| 22:27:23 | Ksd | when i try to play some mp3 file with opieplayer_0.9.1 i get "no appropriate decoders found" |
| 22:27:28 | kergoth | its the startup script that fires up the sdmgr daemon for sd/mmc, and loads the sd/mmc module |
| 22:27:32 | Ksd | what should i do? |
| 22:27:38 | kergoth | Ksd: install opie-libmadplugin |
| 22:27:39 | KallDrexx | is there an opei player 1? |
| 22:27:59 | kergoth | KallDrexx: 'opieplayer' is the first, then there's opieplayer2.. thats all there is |
| 22:28:08 | Ksd | kergoth: thanks |
| 22:28:10 | KallDrexx | is opieplayer as much of a memory hog as op2? |
| 22:28:39 | KallDrexx | is looking for a good media player for his 5000d |
| 22:28:41 | kergoth | no, but it cant play much for formats either |
| 22:28:46 | kergoth | wait for opieplayer2 to be optimized. |
| 22:28:48 | kergoth | :-) |
| 22:28:58 | KallDrexx | heh but what until then =P |
| 22:29:23 | kergoth | extremis: harlekin sent me a fix for the popup on every app prompting to kill it, thats fixed.. and the appearance font size list is correct again, and oipkg can handle the new ipk format again |
| 22:29:32 | KallDrexx | I need some ffree media player... at least to play mp3's |
| 22:29:37 | kergoth | extremis: so all the major bugs that i ran into today are fixed |
| 22:29:38 | extremis | svweet |
| 22:29:40 | kergoth | KallDrexx: use opieplayer then |
| 22:29:47 | kergoth | extremis: i'll probably release this initrd today then |
| 22:29:53 | | KallDrexx: sorry... |
| 22:29:53 | KallDrexx | ibot opieplayer |
| 22:29:53 | kergoth | extremis: i was hesitating due to the new bugs |
| 22:30:00 | KallDrexx | kergoth: url? |
| 22:30:18 | | opie is, like, the Open Palmtop Integrated Environment. More info at http://opie.handhelds.org/ http://www.opie.info/ http://www.opie.us/ or in the #opie channel. Installation instructions at http://opie.handhelds.org/wiki/index.php3?OpieInstallation |
| 22:30:18 | kergoth | ibot: opie |
| 22:30:21 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:30:29 | kergoth | KallDrexx: try the one from the oz feed |
| 22:30:32 | | openzaurus is, like, a Community version of the operating environment for the Sharp Zaurus SL-5x00[d] PDA. See http://openzaurus.sf.net/. or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ or see http://telia.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/openzaurus/FAQ |
| 22:30:32 | kergoth | ibot: openzaurus |
| 22:30:33 | KallDrexx | k |
| 22:31:13 | KallDrexx | heh ipkg gave me a seg fault |
| 22:31:29 | KallDrexx | this isn't working... |
| 22:31:49 | kergoth | ? |
| 22:32:12 | KallDrexx | I keep running out of space for ipkg |
| 22:32:14 | KallDrexx | ipkg upgrade |
| 22:32:36 | kergoth | so free some space |
| 22:32:36 | KallDrexx | i ahve to keep rerunnign it after upgradeding a few packages |
| 22:32:54 | KallDrexx | heh i don't know what to take off, sicne it's all the stuff that came with oz |
| 22:32:59 | kergoth | myself, i only set up a base set of packages in flash, then i change my default install destiantion to mtdram |
| 22:33:16 | kergoth | why dont you remove one of them, and reinstall it but to mtdram this time |
| 22:33:27 | kergoth | brb |
| 22:33:31 | KallDrexx | wonders if he should use 26--6 instead of 32 |
| 22:33:48 | kergoth | whew |
| 22:33:53 | kergoth | finally gonna get the hell out of work |
| 22:33:56 | kergoth | KallDrexx: -32 works fine. |
| 22:34:27 | KallDrexx | heh |
| 22:34:28 | kergoth | but if you dont have a cf or sd to install apps to, you may want to get one with a mtdram |
| 22:34:31 | KallDrexx | i mean for hte mtdram |
| 22:34:37 | KallDrexx | shrugs |
| 22:34:45 | KallDrexx | either way i'm fine, i just have to keep rerunning ipkg upgrdade |
| 22:34:53 | kergoth | weird |
| 22:35:18 | KallDrexx | yeah |
| 22:35:29 | KallDrexx | and some ofthese packages take a LONG time to upgrade |
| 22:35:38 | kergoth | yeah, qt especially |
| 22:35:40 | kergoth | flash is slow. |
| 22:36:14 | kergoth | extremis: with the new initrd i included default network configs for wlan0 and eth0 to use dhcp.. so for people using dhcp they just need to set up wlansetup, and they're done |
| 22:38:41 | kergoth | extremis: okay its uploading. it'll be in http://openzaurus.sf.net/testing/ when its done uploading, it'll take about 5-10 mins. i'm heading home |
| 22:40:40 | KallDrexx | ack qtopia desktop for linux spams the console |
| 22:41:26 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 22:41:43 | KallDrexx | something about wnating to log in as root ro somethign |
| 22:41:57 | KallDrexx | kicks ipkg |
| 22:42:08 | W|GGL|T | oh...thought you were talking about the regular debugging-type data |
| 22:50:44 | KallDrexx | fucking ipkg just gave me a memory low |
| 22:50:50 | KallDrexx | and it wont' go away |
| 22:50:56 | benmeyer | memory leaks |
| 22:50:58 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 22:51:02 | KallDrexx | fucki think it froze my z |
| 22:51:17 | KallDrexx | ok |
| 22:51:20 | KallDrexx | i can't click on anythign |
| 22:51:25 | KallDrexx | i can still do stuff via ssh tho |
| 22:51:27 | KallDrexx | stupid thing |
| 22:52:19 | KallDrexx | and ipkg from the console wnt' upgrade because of errors |
| 22:52:27 | KallDrexx | nmssome packages are installing |
| 23:00:33 | W|GGL|T | hi SirPsycho |
| 23:07:16 | KallDrexx | heh |
| 23:07:21 | KallDrexx | my zaurus is like half dead |
| 23:07:43 | W|GGL|T | get the defibrilator! |
| 23:07:46 | Harlekin | oh, down under gets up, time to go to bed .-) |
| 23:08:45 | imm | :) |
| 23:09:09 | Harlekin | imm: hey |
| 23:09:20 | raster | hehehhehe |
| 23:09:28 | Ksd | what's the battery life of the 5000d? |
| 23:09:33 | W|GGL|T | feels like playing Q3 |
| 23:09:35 | raster | 7 |
| 23:09:42 | imm | 9 |
| 23:10:02 | raster | Ksd: i've managed to have it go down to 50% abouts after a week of being asleep |
| 23:10:19 | benmeyer | hi raster |
| 23:10:22 | raster | runing withgout backlight playing mp3's it can do about 4 hrs |
| 23:10:28 | benmeyer | heard you are developihg some fun things |
| 23:10:44 | raster | otherwise using every now and again it can go a few days |
| 23:10:49 | raster | (ie using it as an goraniser) |
| 23:11:44 | chouimat | re |
| 23:12:12 | Cloudchaser | how's your conference going benmeyer? |
| 23:12:21 | extremis | raster: you know that opie can suspend the screen while playing mp3s? |
| 23:12:49 | raster | benmeyer: i ported evas to the z/qtopia |
| 23:13:09 | raster | extremis: yup - perfectly possible. |
| 23:13:14 | chouimat | hi imm |
| 23:13:14 | raster | (technically) |
| 23:13:23 | extremis | raster: well, opie does it now |
| 23:13:26 | raster | the screen withotu backlight tho doesnt eat much power |
| 23:13:42 | Harlekin | raster: not even the screen |
| 23:13:48 | Harlekin | raster: i turn it all off |
| 23:14:12 | jbwiv | anyone: I have a need to prompt a user for a string of text. Does qpe/qte provide any dialogs to handle user input such as this, or do I need to roll my own? thx! |
| 23:14:47 | imm | chouimat: some news ? |
| 23:15:06 | chouimat | imm: nope, you? |
| 23:16:15 | extremis | hrm, wireless applet no longer works |
| 23:16:40 | imm | chouimat: perhaps benmeyer knows something |
| 23:19:36 | imm | benmeyer: i need my Z ! :) |
| 23:20:28 | benmeyer | say again |
| 23:20:30 | chouimat | benmeyer: me too! :-D |
| 23:21:24 | treke|home | well since benmeyer is playing santa claus |
| 23:21:29 | treke|home | benmeyer: and I need a woman |
| 23:21:37 | Harlekin | hehe |
| 23:21:59 | imm | benmeyer: i need my Z ! :) |
| 23:22:28 | benmeyer | sorry, I only got one woman and she is more then enough for me :D |
| 23:22:41 | benmeyer | sorry imm: i am in ca at the intel conference |
| 23:22:45 | benmeyer | same with spencer |
| 23:23:01 | chouimat | benmeyer: so we will get an extension :) |
| 23:23:13 | jbwiv | raster: out of curiosity, what can I do with evas on the Z? |
| 23:23:15 | benmeyer | yes |
| 23:23:19 | imm | chouimat: there is not other way |
| 23:23:30 | benmeyer | imm what was your name? |
| 23:23:37 | benmeyer | I mean what was your app? |
| 23:23:45 | imm | benmeyer: pocketflirt |
| 23:23:49 | Harlekin | man qt3.1 is a bitch |
| 23:23:59 | treke|home | Harlekin: how so? |
| 23:24:01 | Harlekin | who had the idea to make moc bic |
| 23:24:04 | jbwiv | haven't gotten my Z either for the record ;-) |
| 23:24:09 | benmeyer | ok |
| 23:24:17 | benmeyer | yah we will delay the contest |
| 23:24:19 | benmeyer | they all havn |
| 23:24:22 | benmeyer | t been shipped |
| 23:24:31 | benmeyer | maybe 25 have been, maybe another 60 that hadnt |
| 23:24:34 | benmeyer | oops |
| 23:25:01 | chouimat | benmeyer: they will be shipped next week? |
| 23:25:03 | imm | benmeyer: Sniper seems not that fast ;) |
| 23:25:11 | Harlekin | imm: sniper |
| 23:25:18 | | i heard sniper was a Sharp marketing slave |
| 23:25:18 | Harlekin | ibot: sniper |
| 23:25:26 | jbwiv | benmeyer: will an email be sent out letting everyone know of the delay? |
| 23:25:33 | benmeyer | sniper is here at the intel conference with me |
| 23:25:36 | benmeyer | yes |
| 23:25:41 | Harlekin | benmeyer: i just like that message |
| 23:25:51 | chouimat | Harlekin: hehe |
| 23:26:09 | imm | was ? |
| 23:26:47 | kergoth | extremis: test it yet? ;-) |
| 23:27:36 | extremis | yeah |
| 23:27:41 | extremis | wireless app is missing |
| 23:27:46 | extremis | and the one on the feed doesn't work |
| 23:27:47 | extremis | the applet |
| 23:27:53 | kergoth | ? |
| 23:27:58 | raster | jbwiv: anythgin you can do with evas in X, directfb, windows ce and the linux framebuffer :) |
| 23:27:59 | extremis | sdmgr fails to copy on initial boot |
| 23:28:04 | kergoth | fails to copy what? |
| 23:28:06 | kergoth | it doesnt copy anything. |
| 23:28:14 | kergoth | to my knowledge anyway.. |
| 23:28:19 | extremis | [sdmgr] file not found |
| 23:28:27 | kergoth | ? |
| 23:28:37 | jbwiv | raster: lol. ok, it appears I have some reading to do ;-). sounds really cool so far though. |
| 23:28:37 | kergoth | is sdmgr not found, or is sdmgr saying something else isnt found? |
| 23:28:44 | extremis | I don't know |
| 23:28:47 | extremis | that is the first boot |
| 23:28:52 | extremis | where it extracts the image |
| 23:29:08 | kergoth | extremis: did the sdmmc module load |
| 23:29:10 | kergoth | ? |
| 23:29:26 | extremis | checking ... |
| 23:29:43 | kergoth | extremis: and wlansetup is installed, but you're right, the wireless applet is not.. people complained there were too many applets preinstalled, not enough room for running apps |
| 23:29:46 | imm | chouimat: so no news this week :) |
| 23:29:51 | extremis | I see sharp_mmcsd_m |
| 23:29:54 | kergoth | okay good |
| 23:29:57 | kergoth | is sdmgr running? |
| 23:30:09 | extremis | yes |
| 23:30:17 | chouimat | imm: it's seems :) |
| 23:30:17 | extremis | but on boot it doesn't show the card inserted |
| 23:30:22 | extremis | lemme reboot |
| 23:30:25 | kergoth | wait |
| 23:30:30 | kergoth | check 'mount' at the prompt |
| 23:30:32 | kergoth | does it show it? |
| 23:30:45 | extremis | well I ejected and reinsterted so the applet registered it |
| 23:30:49 | extremis | I'm rebooting now |
| 23:30:51 | kergoth | ah |
| 23:30:54 | kergoth | odd |
| 23:30:55 | kergoth | k |
| 23:31:11 | kergoth | did usbdmonitor load fine too? |
| 23:31:19 | extremis | just a sec |
| 23:31:26 | kergoth | k |
| 23:32:17 | extremis | I don't see usbd_monitor running |
| 23:32:23 | kergoth | its usbdmonitor, no underscore |
| 23:32:33 | kergoth | its a module, not aprocess |
| 23:32:35 | kergoth | is it loaded? |
| 23:32:49 | extremis | yes |
| 23:32:55 | extremis | ok, mount shows my sd |
| 23:32:58 | extremis | but the applet doesn't |
| 23:33:11 | raster | jbwiv: i need to work on conveneince apis for the diffrent display/event targets to make it easier to slot in - but on the z under qtopia you can use evas as just "another canvas widget" that is quite a bit faster than qcanvas, or you can juyst have your whole app be a canvas widget - the advanrtage is you can run in the framebuffer directly too and run in X natively, also in directfb etc. and when i get back to rewritign the opengl engine youl |
| 23:33:11 | raster | be able to get opengl acceleration too - and no change to your programs core code. |
| 23:33:23 | extremis | I ejected my CF and it said "SD Inserted" |
| 23:33:26 | kergoth | extremis: ah, does /etc/mtab contain an entry for the card? |
| 23:33:32 | | fusion94 was last seen on #zaurus 3 hours, 18 minutes and 35 seconds ago, saying: kergoth: opie bugs ?? no way....must be due to all the "cut and paste" commits... :P [Mon Sep 9 21:14:57 2002] |
| 23:33:32 | BigBoss | ibot seen fusion94 |
| 23:33:54 | extremis | I inserted my CF and it said "SD Removed" |
| 23:33:57 | extremis | and it powered off |
| 23:34:00 | jbwiv | raster: sweet! thanks for the expl. I'll take a look. |
| 23:34:11 | | I haven't seen 'datefingers', raster |
| 23:34:11 | raster | ibot seen datefingers |
| 23:34:12 | kergoth | extremis: errr powered off? |
| 23:34:23 | | OK, raster. |
| 23:34:23 | raster | ibot datefingers is fusion94 |
| 23:34:24 | extremis | suspended |
| 23:34:31 | extremis | kergoth: the sd is mounted fine |
| 23:34:31 | | rumour has it datefingers is fusion94 |
| 23:34:31 | raster | ibot datefingers |
| 23:34:35 | extremis | its the applet that is fudged |
| 23:34:39 | raster | excellent |
| 23:34:42 | extremis | or sdmgr |
| 23:34:46 | kergoth | extremis: so it only shows sd after eject and reinsert of sd? |
| 23:34:50 | kergoth | extremis: or..? |
| 23:35:10 | Cloudchaser | BigBoss: did you get that last pdf? |
| 23:35:14 | imm | BigBoss: what about your games ? |
| 23:35:16 | extremis | heh, this time it didn't say anything after eject/reinsert of the SD |
| 23:35:27 | extremis | wait |
| 23:35:28 | kergoth | extremis: verify its automounting |
| 23:35:29 | extremis | it locked up |
| 23:35:29 | BigBoss | CC: yes I did, thanks |
| 23:35:30 | kergoth | extremis: check 'mount' and /etc/mtab |
| 23:35:32 | kergoth | er |
| 23:35:33 | BigBoss | imm: working on them |
| 23:35:34 | Cloudchaser | ok great |
| 23:35:40 | kergoth | extremis: it could hang a sec, as it parses the Documents |
| 23:35:46 | Cloudchaser | extremis: i had that happen to me before too |
| 23:35:47 | extremis | its unresponsive |
| 23:35:48 | extremis | still |
| 23:35:53 | BigBoss | imm: one of the engineers working on the game was about done and he got a real bad case of the flu |
| 23:35:58 | BigBoss | the other is supposed to be done tomorrow |
| 23:36:08 | Cloudchaser | which one first BigBoss? |
| 23:36:09 | kergoth | extremis: thats pretty odd. can you get in over ssh over usb or wireles? |
| 23:36:24 | kergoth | extremis: harlekin verifies that theres something up with cardmon with sd, on the zaurus only, ipaq is fine |
| 23:36:30 | kergoth | extremis: so we need to nail this one down |
| 23:36:32 | kergoth | hm |
| 23:36:34 | kergoth | VerxHome: ping |
| 23:37:06 | extremis | heh, I ejected my cf and it started repsponding again |
| 23:37:39 | extremis | sd is ext2 and cf is vfat |
| 23:38:10 | extremis | heh, randomness with the sd |
| 23:38:23 | BigBoss | Cloudchaser: I'm not gonna pre-announce them ;) |
| 23:38:26 | extremis | last reinsert the applet showed the reinsert |
| 23:38:36 | Cloudchaser | hehe ok fair enough |
| 23:38:42 | kergoth | extremis: try eject/insert of sd 1) with cf, and 2) without cf |
| 23:38:42 | Cloudchaser | i'll wait impatiently |
| 23:39:28 | imm | BigBoss: #zaurus is not very privat :) |
| 23:39:45 | oGMo | gah. |
| 23:39:56 | imm | BigBoss: er is private |
| 23:40:20 | BigBoss | doesn't do any good to know about it now |
| 23:40:26 | BigBoss | one of them is on the website now though |
| 23:40:32 | BigBoss | www.thekompany.com/embedded/tkcrotator |
| 23:41:20 | BigBoss | is everyone off looking at it? |
| 23:41:52 | extremis | I had an error at b oot |
| 23:42:00 | imm | BigBoss: yep |
| 23:42:22 | BigBoss | i personally like this game a lot, very addictive |
| 23:42:33 | BigBoss | this is the one where the developer is sick, it was supposed to be out last week |
| 23:42:45 | extremis | starting at daemon: cannot create file or directory |
| 23:42:49 | extremis | something hrm, not at |
| 23:43:01 | extremis | how do I prevent opie from starting |
| 23:43:09 | extremis | what key do I hit on boot? |
| 23:43:26 | oGMo | pokes around with hancomsheet trying to get this to load |
| 23:43:27 | chouimat | BigBoss: yurk |
| 23:43:27 | imm | BigBoss: looks nice |
| 23:43:33 | KallDrexx | wihshes his screen on his z would unfreeze |
| 23:43:35 | BigBoss | chouimat: yurk? |
| 23:43:45 | oGMo | i swear, format publishing should be the _law_ ;) |
| 23:43:49 | chouimat | BigBoss: don't like that type of game |
| 23:43:53 | extremis | neat, with the CF in, inserting the SD caused it to suspend |
| 23:43:57 | BigBoss | that's fine - don't buy it :) |
| 23:44:07 | chouimat | BigBoss: exactly :) |
| 23:44:31 | BigBoss | well gotta have dinner - cya |
| 23:44:59 | Cloudchaser | bye |
| 23:45:54 | KallDrexx | wishes ipkg would go faster |
| 23:46:55 | KallDrexx | Where can I get opeiplayer (not op2) |
| 23:47:01 | KallDrexx | is it in the feed? |
| 23:47:31 | akk | I downloaded the .ipk for it but the file was apparently corrupt (wouldn't unpack). |
| 23:47:42 | KallDrexx | that's not good |
| 23:47:49 | kergoth | extremis: we dont have a boot menu yet |
| 23:48:00 | kergoth | extremis: sharp didnt release the code to theirs, and i havent gotten us a new one yet |
| 23:48:12 | KallDrexx | why would we need one? |
| 23:48:26 | akk | I got it from here: http://arachni.kiwi.uni-hamburg.de/~harlekin/op2/ (from the killefiz.de software index). |
| 23:48:54 | KallDrexx | tha't op2 tho |
| 23:49:13 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 23:49:14 | KallDrexx | and ipkg-make-build script thought it was currupt but op2 installed fine |
| 23:49:14 | TheMasterMind1 | what's up |
| 23:49:17 | KallDrexx | hey TheMasterMind1 |
| 23:49:20 | TheMasterMind1 | sup |
| 23:49:35 | KallDrexx | eh, my zuaurs is have dead, aand i'm ipkging through ssh :) |
| 23:50:34 | KallDrexx | which is taking a farking long time to do oz |
| 23:50:39 | KallDrexx | oz-base |
| 23:50:59 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth what's new? |
| 23:51:43 | oGMo | woo |
| 23:51:50 | TheMasterMind1 | ? |
| 23:51:56 | oGMo | nothing like CUTTING and PASTING in a BINARY FILE to recover your shit |
| 23:52:12 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 23:52:36 | oGMo | of course this is still utterly fuxored, but i think the numbers and stuff are right |
| 23:52:52 | TheMasterMind1 | i love this thing |
| 23:52:57 | KallDrexx | what thing? |
| 23:53:00 | TheMasterMind1 | it rebuilds when the cvs has changed |
| 23:53:10 | TheMasterMind1 | all the stuff kergoth and i fixed in the buildroot |
| 23:53:12 | TheMasterMind1 | works so well now |
| 23:53:20 | TheMasterMind1 | except for accessing the busybox cvs 43 times |
| 23:53:22 | KallDrexx | hehe yesterday it was all screwed up i remember you saying |
| 23:53:33 | extremis | bigboss, as much as I have bought from you, I should get tkctodo for free |
| 23:53:48 | KallDrexx | lol |
| 23:53:53 | TheMasterMind1 | hah |
| 23:54:06 | TheMasterMind1 | mnnnn |
| 23:54:09 | TheMasterMind1 | qte2.3.4 |
| 23:54:42 | KallDrexx | wishes wirting to flash was faster damnit >.< |
| 23:55:13 | extremis | I'd like to trade in my tkcvideo for other stuff. tkcvideo is too slow, drops too many frames |
| 23:55:21 | extremis | was a bad buy |
| 23:55:46 | TheMasterMind1 | have you tried op2/mplayer? |
| 23:55:48 | TheMasterMind1 | are they better? |
| 23:56:02 | extremis | probably not |
| 23:56:05 | KallDrexx | mplayer got annoying,since all the numbers interefrered with the movie and hte last frame just sat there |
| 23:56:29 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 23:56:36 | TheMasterMind1 | but that's always kinda fixable |
| 23:56:38 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 23:56:49 | KallDrexx | heh how do i get the scrolling numbers not to interfere? |
| 23:56:50 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll write up some good scripts when i put mplayer in the oz feed |
| 23:56:59 | TheMasterMind1 | i think you can redirect output to /dev/null |
| 23:56:59 | KallDrexx | good |
| 23:57:02 | TheMasterMind1 | haven't tried it yet |
| 23:57:12 | KallDrexx | if you do that i'll get it |
| 23:57:12 | Ksd | KallDrexx: you can use -quiet |
| 23:57:15 | KallDrexx | oh |
| 23:57:16 | TheMasterMind1 | ah yes |
| 23:57:20 | TheMasterMind1 | mplayer has -quiet |
| 23:57:38 | KallDrexx | will try that once his oz-base is done upgrading and he gets his z to wake up again |
| 23:57:45 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 23:57:53 | KallDrexx | ipkg (the gui) died on me |
| 23:57:55 | KallDrexx | and killed my z |
| 23:58:03 | Ksd | TheMasterMind1: what's new in initrd-2.9.6? |
| 23:58:40 | TheMasterMind1 | whoa? |
| 23:58:43 | TheMasterMind1 | new initrd released? |
| 23:58:44 | kergoth | Ksd: latest opie build, bug fixes all around, new default configs for wlan0 and eth0 as dhcp, etc.. qt/e 2.3.4.. |
| 23:58:55 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: http://openzaurus.sf.net/testing/initrd-2.9.6.bin |
| 23:58:58 | TheMasterMind1 | eh |
| 23:58:59 | TheMasterMind1 | nice |
| 23:59:01 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: its avail for testing purposes anyway |
| 23:59:04 | TheMasterMind1 | i was just about to compilemy own |
| 23:59:04 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 23:59:11 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: want to have some people test before i release it |
| 23:59:16 | TheMasterMind1 | does it use udhcpc ? |
| 23:59:25 | Ksd | kergoth: downloading that |
| 23:59:46 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth does the 2.4.7 have snax's patch? |
| 23:59:52 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yes it has his patch |
| 23:59:57 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
