| 00:00:50 | whardier | I need to kill you all |
| 00:00:56 | ljp | cat /dev/dsp >> kergoth |
| 00:01:04 | whardier | just be happy we are on IRC terms |
| 00:01:16 | whardier | except for you.. you aol lamer.. I am gonna blow up your monitor now |
| 00:01:23 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth i was "make openzaurus"-ing and it complained about openobex and opie being < 0.9.1 and timezones |
| 00:01:28 | ljp | whardier: get back to your blender |
| 00:01:46 | TheMasterMind1 | i managed to upgrade tinylogin and add udhcpc though |
| 00:01:50 | TheMasterMind1 | and fix up kismet |
| 00:03:09 | burtonator_ | fuck... my zaurus is locked on boOt. |
| 00:03:16 | burtonator_ | ... it just sits there.. |
| 00:03:32 | TheMasterMind1 | reflash |
| 00:03:37 | TheMasterMind1 | or do a hardreset |
| 00:03:41 | TheMasterMind1 | try a hardreset first |
| 00:03:45 | TheMasterMind1 | that fixed it for me once |
| 00:04:02 | whardier | does a hand reset all the time |
| 00:04:06 | whardier | :) |
| 00:04:07 | ljp | kick it |
| 00:04:10 | burtonator_ | which one is hard? Flipping the 'operation' switch on the back doEsn't do anything. |
| 00:04:27 | TheMasterMind1 | you have to press the button |
| 00:04:32 | TheMasterMind1 | inside the battery compartment |
| 00:04:46 | burtonator_ | there goes my FS right? |
| 00:04:49 | burtonator_ | I have to reinstall... |
| 00:04:51 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
| 00:04:54 | TheMasterMind1 | well |
| 00:04:56 | whardier | yes |
| 00:04:57 | TheMasterMind1 | just your software |
| 00:05:03 | TheMasterMind1 | anything on ram |
| 00:05:05 | TheMasterMind1 | and settings |
| 00:05:06 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 00:05:11 | TheMasterMind1 | better than reflashing |
| 00:05:12 | whardier | and any software you set up |
| 00:05:13 | TheMasterMind1 | arguably |
| 00:05:18 | whardier | I prefer reflashing |
| 00:05:20 | whardier | :) |
| 00:05:27 | TheMasterMind1 | why are ssh keys and settings wiped though? |
| 00:05:52 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: everything that isnt in flash is wiped. |
| 00:06:09 | TheMasterMind1 | ERROR: Package tinylogin wants to install file /home/zaurus/buildroot-oz/root/sbin/sulogin |
| 00:06:09 | TheMasterMind1 | But that file is already provided by package sysvinit |
| 00:06:13 | burtonator_ | why did it lock thoUgh... I should have been able to power cycle without blowing everything away. |
| 00:06:24 | TheMasterMind1 | burtonator_ maybe keep it off for a while |
| 00:06:27 | TheMasterMind1 | like a minute |
| 00:08:46 | burtonator_ | has had nothing but problems with his Zaurus |
| 00:08:49 | TheMasterMind1 | wow |
| 00:09:01 | TheMasterMind1 | sf even gives you an account |
| 00:09:02 | TheMasterMind1 | and ssh |
| 00:09:06 | TheMasterMind1 | that's amazing |
| 00:10:09 | burtonator_ | thinks about installing everything to sd |
| 00:10:18 | TheMasterMind1 | burtonator_ that's a good idea |
| 00:10:53 | ryan_ | does ANYONE know where i could find Jikes (java compiler) for the Zaurus? i've looked EVERYWHERE for the .ipk and can't find it |
| 00:10:56 | TheMasterMind1 | curses dhcpcd |
| 00:11:03 | TheMasterMind1 | ryan_ compile it :) |
| 00:11:17 | burtonator_ | ryan: you don't want jikes. |
| 00:11:22 | ryan_ | TheMasterMind1: i could, but i don't know how |
| 00:11:24 | burtonator_ | it won't help you run a Java app on the Zaurus |
| 00:11:25 | ryan_ | burtonator_: why not? |
| 00:11:35 | ryan_ | burtonator_: i don't want to RUN them, i want to COMPILE them on the Z |
| 00:11:47 | ryan_ | burtonator_: i want to be able to program ON my Z |
| 00:12:00 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 00:12:03 | TheMasterMind1 | isn't that what he said? |
| 00:12:07 | TheMasterMind1 | <burtonator_> it won't help you run a Java app on the Zaurus |
| 00:12:13 | TheMasterMind1 | ON the Zaurus |
| 00:12:21 | burtonator_ | you are crazy! ;) |
| 00:12:26 | ryan_ | why am i crazy! |
| 00:12:33 | burtonator_ | develop on your laptop! |
| 00:12:34 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth can i add a konqueror.mk :D |
| 00:12:36 | angry | bigboss been around lately? |
| 00:12:38 | ryan_ | i want to have a java compiler on my Z so that when i'm in class and get board i can program! |
| 00:12:43 | | bigboss was last seen on #zaurus 2 days, 4 hours, 2 minutes and 23 seconds ago, saying: kendrick2: use a commercial product - better support :) [Fri Aug 30 21:10:20 2002] |
| 00:12:43 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot seen bigboss |
| 00:13:14 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 00:13:21 | angry | so you want to be able to COMPILE java apps and then not be able to test/run them after? |
| 00:13:34 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: good luck, without opie and qt |
| 00:13:36 | ryan_ | angry: the Z already has a builtin runtime, obviouslly |
| 00:13:44 | angry | :-P |
| 00:13:48 | ryan_ | angry: therefore, i'd bet set if i could find Jikes |
| 00:13:50 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth you're supposed to get that working first |
| 00:14:07 | | Java compiler that translates Java source into bytecoded instruction sets. URL: http://www.alphaWorks.ibm.com/tech/jikes/ |
| 00:14:07 | angry | ibot, jikes |
| 00:14:09 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: well, you wont be able to add it until i do. so have some patience. |
| 00:14:21 | TheMasterMind1 | alright |
| 00:14:28 | TheMasterMind1 | what's new in today's opie? |
| 00:14:29 | scanline | I think TheMasterMind1 just volunteered to maintain Qt and Opie .mk's :) |
| 00:14:42 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: qt 2.3.3 |
| 00:14:52 | ryan_ | angry: thank you much : |
| 00:14:53 | TheMasterMind1 | scanline i already did, kergoth just has to add some stuff to make the interdependencies work |
| 00:14:54 | ryan_ | :) |
| 00:14:55 | TheMasterMind1 | ooh |
| 00:14:57 | TheMasterMind1 | new qt |
| 00:15:06 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: konq segfaults now |
| 00:15:08 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: fun stuff |
| 00:15:09 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 00:15:15 | TheMasterMind1 | konq can use a recompile |
| 00:15:15 | TheMasterMind1 | its old |
| 00:15:18 | kergoth | indeed |
| 00:15:26 | kergoth | it hasnt seen shit for development either |
| 00:15:30 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 00:15:32 | kergoth | cause tronical isnt working on it anymore |
| 00:15:39 | TheMasterMind1 | its still pretty decent |
| 00:15:42 | angry | ryan_: actually, im not sure if there's a .ipk there |
| 00:16:20 | TheMasterMind1 | why is there a qt-embedded-rotation and an opie-rotation.. does the opie use the qt package? |
| 00:16:28 | ryan_ | angry: yeah, there isn't :( i KNOW i saw it the other day, and yet it seems it has disappears |
| 00:16:48 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: qt-embedded-rotation is the necessary fonts to rotate. opie-rotation is the Settings app to do it |
| 00:16:50 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth some of the stuff we're using, (like wget) is provided by busybox but we're using a seperate .mk for it |
| 00:16:55 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: no kidding |
| 00:16:57 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: busybox wget blows |
| 00:16:59 | TheMasterMind1 | do we want to or not |
| 00:17:00 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 00:17:01 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: and ipkg will *not* work with it |
| 00:17:02 | TheMasterMind1 | thought so |
| 00:17:46 | TheMasterMind1 | and the mooview ipkg doesn't work |
| 00:17:49 | TheMasterMind1 | yet its in the feed! |
| 00:17:58 | kergoth | 'doesnt't work' is incredibly unhelpful |
| 00:18:00 | kergoth | details man |
| 00:18:16 | kergoth | i just threw it into the feed to help some guy out |
| 00:18:21 | kergoth | ill yank it in a few |
| 00:18:22 | ljp | hehe |
| 00:18:32 | TheMasterMind1 | i dunno. it didn't run from apps and i didn't mess with it much |
| 00:18:41 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll add an mk for it and stuff eventually |
| 00:18:57 | angry | if there are three apples and you take away 2, how many do you have |
| 00:19:04 | Fatbum | 5 |
| 00:19:04 | Fatbum | 5 |
| 00:19:05 | Fatbum | 5 |
| 00:19:05 | Fatbum | 5 |
| 00:19:07 | Fatbum | 5 is right |
| 00:19:11 | Fatbum | its RIIIGHT |
| 00:19:18 | Fatbum | oops.... |
| 00:19:18 | burtonator_ | ok... I think there is some problem between the integration of my CF card and my SD card. |
| 00:19:19 | Fatbum | its 7 |
| 00:19:20 | TheMasterMind1 | 2 |
| 00:19:20 | Fatbum | hehe |
| 00:19:22 | Fatbum | :-P |
| 00:19:30 | angry | TheMasterMind1 is a mastermind |
| 00:19:30 | burtonator_ | the Zaurus just stops responding and won't launch any apps. |
| 00:19:30 | angry | hehe |
| 00:19:36 | TheMasterMind1 | :D |
| 00:19:38 | angry | http://www.pressanykey.com/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/pak/jquiz.cgi |
| 00:19:39 | burtonator_ | reboots and enables syslog |
| 00:21:04 | burtonator_ | anyone ever have problems with Viking CF cards? |
| 00:22:40 | ljp | most of my problems is with buggy Viking code :) |
| 00:22:55 | whardier | I hate vikings |
| 00:22:58 | TheMasterMind1 | You scored 11 out of 12 - You are above normal! (Question 4 gets them every time!!) |
| 00:22:59 | TheMasterMind1 | w00t |
| 00:23:23 | TheMasterMind1 | too bad i don't know baseball |
| 00:24:20 | angry | You scored 10 out of 12 - You are smarter than the average bear! |
| 00:24:48 | TheMasterMind1 | How many members of each animal did Moses take on the ark? |
| 00:24:51 | TheMasterMind1 | that one is great |
| 00:25:06 | angry | hehe |
| 00:25:07 | TheMasterMind1 | Can a California man legally marry his widow's sister? |
| 00:25:07 | darienm | angry: I got 12 out of 12 |
| 00:25:07 | TheMasterMind1 | heheh |
| 00:25:20 | TheMasterMind1 | darienm what was the message? |
| 00:25:38 | darienm | You scored 12 out of 12 - You are a genius! |
| 00:25:54 | burtonator_ | ah... ok.. the CF card is having problems after a suspend. |
| 00:25:57 | burtonator_ | I have to eject and reinsert |
| 00:26:25 | darienm | I wonder if question 11 accepts 'beef' as well as 'meat' ? |
| 00:27:00 | darienm | nope, it definitely wants 'meat' |
| 00:28:03 | whardier | hmm |
| 00:28:05 | whardier | mine wants meat as well |
| 00:28:09 | whardier | but it ain;t gonna get any |
| 00:28:14 | scanline | hm.. is there a way to select a random file from a directory in bash? |
| 00:28:34 | Cloudchaser | ok has anyone resized movies...is there a way to crop off the black? |
| 00:28:36 | whardier | yes |
| 00:28:38 | whardier | and I ain't tellin |
| 00:28:40 | whardier | cause I don't know |
| 00:28:45 | macaroni7 | Recently flashed latest OZ release and power won't turn off except right after a restart of opie, anyone seen this? |
| 00:28:48 | scanline | hehe |
| 00:29:24 | Cloudchaser | ok how bout is there any way to tell the frame size of the original mpeg? with avi you can right click on it and view properties |
| 00:29:27 | whardier | damnitall to hell |
| 00:29:29 | TheMasterMind1 | You scored 0 out of 10. Your rating: Oh, this was a test?? |
| 00:30:09 | TheMasterMind1 | macaroni7 upgrade |
| 00:30:15 | TheMasterMind1 | macaroni7 to the latest packages |
| 00:30:19 | TheMasterMind1 | macaroni7 from the feed |
| 00:30:41 | macaroni7 | I got them from sourceforge, where's the feed? |
| 00:30:50 | | i guess oz3 feed is at http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/3.0/ |
| 00:30:50 | darienm | ibot oz3 feed |
| 00:30:51 | TheMasterMind1 | use software under settings |
| 00:30:55 | | feed is probably a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus or http://opie.net.wox.org for cvs Opie or something you give to cattle! |
| 00:30:55 | darienm | ibot feed |
| 00:31:23 | | ljp: i'm not following you... |
| 00:31:23 | ljp | ibot: feed me |
| 00:31:52 | TheMasterMind1 | configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler cannot create executables. |
| 00:31:53 | TheMasterMind1 | ouch |
| 00:32:02 | burtonator_ | who is behind the ZaurusZone feeds? |
| 00:32:20 | TheMasterMind1 | killefiz |
| 00:32:37 | darienm | no, benmeyer |
| 00:33:05 | TheMasterMind1 | damned postint errors |
| 00:35:20 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth release oz 2.9.9.9 with the new opie/qt |
| 00:36:31 | ljp | how about renaming the releases like openzaurus 2002! |
| 00:36:34 | burtonator_ | ? |
| 00:36:48 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 00:36:58 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth wanted a new kernel in oz3 |
| 00:37:06 | scanline | kergoth: are there code names for the releases yet? :) |
| 00:37:18 | TheMasterMind1 | since thats a whiles away, we can just start releasing 2.9.9.x |
| 00:37:22 | TheMasterMind1 | 2.9.9.1 |
| 00:37:25 | angry | NeoTron: ping! |
| 00:37:30 | ljp | this one's Gargemel |
| 00:37:32 | TheMasterMind1 | and adding .x until the kernel is done |
| 00:37:34 | scanline | just keep adding 9's :P |
| 00:37:34 | burtonator_ | kergoth: mailing list! |
| 00:37:37 | angry | sleep is for the weak! |
| 00:37:39 | scanline | 2.9.9.9.9.9.9.9.9.9.9.9 |
| 00:37:43 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 00:37:48 | whardier | I love that version |
| 00:37:57 | TheMasterMind1 | the kernel still won't be done |
| 00:38:07 | TheMasterMind1 | should i keep the sulogin from sysinit or tinylogin |
| 00:38:07 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 00:38:16 | TheMasterMind1 | someone tell me |
| 00:38:45 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: I was hoping to release 3.0 with 2.4.19, but i may release 3.0 with opie as nonroot and put off the kernel move for 3.5 or 4.0, given that it'll need a great deal of testing even after I get it finished. |
| 00:38:57 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 00:39:03 | TheMasterMind1 | which sulogin should i keep? |
| 00:39:07 | TheMasterMind1 | tinylogin or sysinit's |
| 00:39:07 | ljp | testing?!? |
| 00:39:13 | kergoth | ljp: hehe |
| 00:39:19 | ljp | isnt that what releases are for? |
| 00:39:23 | scanline | testing is for 3.0.0.1 :) |
| 00:39:23 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 00:39:23 | dan | hey |
| 00:39:23 | dan | that was fun |
| 00:39:24 | dan | I spent an hour listening to M$ rules |
| 00:39:28 | TheMasterMind1 | ? |
| 00:39:49 | dan | And how software cant survive unless it is sold |
| 00:39:56 | ljp | I once made a TTS MS EULA into an mp3 |
| 00:40:31 | scanline | ljp: with a cheesy techno elevator music background track? |
| 00:40:39 | dan | He also thinks that Linux sucks, b/c it sucks at games |
| 00:40:44 | ljp | nope.. just the faux voice |
| 00:41:03 | dan | anf that is why it is going to die |
| 00:41:04 | dan | b/c games push hardware.... which is true |
| 00:41:06 | ljp | sped up as fast as it could speak and be listenable |
| 00:41:17 | dan | , but games can only can get so realistic |
| 00:41:44 | scanline | If games were just like reality people wouldn't play them :) |
| 00:41:48 | dan | b4 hardware r and d as we know it grinds to a halt |
| 00:42:12 | dan | at which point "dumb machines take over |
| 00:42:12 | dan | and for that to work.... |
| 00:42:20 | DrBoB | MS doesn't know that people are still reading the classics despite te fact that the words are copyrigt free and not often sold |
| 00:42:37 | dan | standards must be adhered |
| 00:42:56 | dan | for dumb machines to work |
| 00:43:29 | dan | At which point M$ loses market share just like apple did |
| 00:43:57 | scanline | DAMN.. the only thing anime wallpaper does for me is make me wish every window on my desktop was 50% transparent! |
| 00:44:21 | dan | b/c they made their OWN crap rather then following standards |
| 00:44:46 | dan | The PC is going to die |
| 00:44:47 | dan | no what else I love.... |
| 00:45:11 | dan | He said "Software has to be bought to continue innovation." |
| 00:45:17 | TheMasterMind1 | who said |
| 00:45:18 | dan | I said "and how much warez do you own.... |
| 00:45:18 | TheMasterMind1 | and where? |
| 00:45:21 | scanline | hahaha |
| 00:45:30 | dan | He said that is NOT the point |
| 00:45:47 | dan | I am NO officially totally legal |
| 00:45:57 | scanline | did you ask him how hiding your source code and patenting your algorithms helps innovation? |
| 00:46:23 | dan | tommorow I am buying a winmodem and going all LINUX |
| 00:46:23 | dan | this is IT |
| 00:46:23 | dan | I AM DOING IT THIS TIME |
| 00:46:23 | dan | !@!!! |
| 00:46:34 | scanline | a winmodem? |
| 00:46:48 | dan | I tried it once b4 and I am doing it |
| 00:46:48 | dan | I mean a hardware |
| 00:47:05 | scanline | ah |
| 00:47:12 | dan | for my laptop |
| 00:47:24 | ljp | hehe winmodem |
| 00:47:36 | dan | Last time I had a game hangover... |
| 00:47:37 | dan | But Not this time |
| 00:47:37 | dan | I am angry at the world |
| 00:48:02 | dan | What distro to use |
| 00:48:07 | nasa | Has anyone gotten the zaurusskyexplorer to work? |
| 00:48:17 | ljp | suse |
| 00:48:20 | TheMasterMind1 | debian!! |
| 00:48:25 | ljp | gentoo |
| 00:48:25 | TheMasterMind1 | debian > suse |
| 00:48:26 | scanline | debian!! |
| 00:48:27 | dan | I now dual boot to SuSE |
| 00:48:27 | dan | but SuSE is somewhat propiertatart |
| 00:48:27 | dan | Nasa, I have |
| 00:48:27 | dan | It works fine for me |
| 00:48:32 | scanline | gentoo!! |
| 00:48:37 | scanline | LFS!! |
| 00:48:37 | TheMasterMind1 | debian is as gnu as you'll get |
| 00:48:45 | ljp | mandrake |
| 00:48:50 | ljp | slackware |
| 00:48:51 | dan | I may d/l gentoo |
| 00:48:56 | ljp | linuxone! |
| 00:49:01 | TheMasterMind1 | all the other distros include pine!! |
| 00:49:03 | TheMasterMind1 | and pico!! |
| 00:49:04 | nasa | dan: which z are you using (5000d or 5500)? |
| 00:49:04 | scanline | lycoris :P |
| 00:49:14 | nasa | dan: and where did you install it? |
| 00:49:16 | dan | MAndrake is good |
| 00:49:16 | dan | I may go that route |
| 00:49:40 | dan | 550 |
| 00:49:41 | dan | 0\ |
| 00:49:51 | ljp | linuxone is the RuleZ! |
| 00:49:51 | dan | nasa to my SD |
| 00:50:19 | dan | How hard is it to get the Z to sync to linux |
| 00:50:49 | TheMasterMind1 | mandrake?! |
| 00:50:52 | TheMasterMind1 | are you joking? |
| 00:51:35 | ljp | mandrake has a nice easy install |
| 00:52:30 | ljp | there's also Caldera |
| 00:52:39 | DrBoB | try Vector Linux if you want an easy install of a slackware-based systen |
| 00:52:47 | dan | How about a PNY usb card reader is that easy to get set up |
| 00:52:47 | dan | all I know is it needs ENLIGHTENMENT |
| 00:53:06 | ljp | bah.. go with fluxbox |
| 00:53:10 | TheMasterMind1 | flux++ |
| 00:53:21 | TheMasterMind1 | flux is teh own |
| 00:53:23 | dan | I may use red hat |
| 00:53:25 | scanline | pwm!! |
| 00:53:48 | dan | I need something w/ a lot of support |
| 00:53:52 | dan | I may go Debian |
| 00:53:59 | ljp | mandrake |
| 00:54:24 | dan | How about my PNY card reader |
| 00:54:33 | dan | CF card reader |
| 00:54:49 | dan | either USB or PCMCIA |
| 00:54:52 | ljp | dont know |
| 00:55:16 | ljp | usually they have a page that says what hardware is good |
| 00:55:19 | Onyx4|away | im back |
| 00:55:24 | ljp | or you can google |
| 00:55:27 | TheMasterMind1 | nooooo |
| 00:55:30 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4 is back! |
| 00:55:32 | TheMasterMind1 | run! |
| 00:55:36 | Onyx4 | who said was gonna do a ipk of the gnuchess engine? |
| 00:55:38 | Onyx4 | I don't remember |
| 00:55:41 | TheMasterMind1 | goddamit |
| 00:55:46 | TheMasterMind1 | too many interdependencies |
| 00:55:59 | Onyx4 | I got knights to compile, all I need is the gnuchessx engine |
| 00:56:31 | Onyx4 | my first cross-compile :) kind of a good learning experience |
| 00:56:33 | burtonator_ | ha... when you remove the preinst from the konq package it installs jut fine. |
| 00:56:33 | dan | CAn I do it |
| 00:56:42 | burtonator_ | ... and it isnt' the code... it is the presence of the file! |
| 00:56:56 | dan | all Linux |
| 00:56:58 | dan | ? |
| 00:56:58 | dan | should I do it |
| 00:57:08 | TheMasterMind1 | dan debian! |
| 00:57:15 | TheMasterMind1 | i run debian fulltime |
| 00:57:25 | dan | NO more propiertary sytems |
| 00:57:28 | TheMasterMind1 | i've installed it on 43 machines |
| 00:58:08 | burtonator_ | only runs debian as well.. |
| 00:58:15 | ljp | debian is over rated |
| 00:58:18 | burtonator_ | my laptops and servers |
| 00:58:18 | dan | I like SuSE |
| 00:58:18 | dan | arghhh |
| 00:58:19 | dan | It is hard |
| 00:58:22 | TheMasterMind1 | no its not |
| 00:58:24 | nasa | Isn't there a howto to setup vnc for the Z? |
| 00:58:25 | TheMasterMind1 | ddebian owns |
| 00:58:31 | TheMasterMind1 | nasa server or client? |
| 00:58:32 | ljp | debian is proprietary |
| 00:58:40 | burtonator_ | ipkg install vnc |
| 00:58:43 | dan | If I can install debian |
| 00:58:48 | nasa | server |
| 00:59:02 | burtonator_ | it is pretty easy. |
| 00:59:05 | nasa | I want to view the Z on my desktop... |
| 00:59:08 | burtonator_ | ... run the daemin... connect to the IP |
| 00:59:09 | dan | The install is insane |
| 00:59:22 | burtonator_ | the install is fine... just don't be a wimp! |
| 00:59:24 | burtonator_ | ;) |
| 00:59:36 | burtonator_ | there is work done to make the Debian install luser friendly |
| 00:59:40 | ljp | how about Lindows? ;) |
| 00:59:47 | burtonator_ | gah |
| 00:59:51 | ljp | hehe |
| 00:59:56 | Cloudchaser | nasa oz or sharp? |
| 01:00:05 | ljp | mandrake _still_ had the best/easiest install |
| 01:00:09 | burtonator_ | yeah... ok. All my problems seem to be related to the Viking CF |
| 01:00:13 | Cloudchaser | theres a readme file with the fnbvnc server on zsi |
| 01:00:15 | nasa | nm, that was really simple |
| 01:00:17 | TheMasterMind1 | prepares to perform the sacred ritual of reflashing |
| 01:00:28 | Cloudchaser | you have to reboot and calibrate after you install it |
| 01:00:30 | ljp | sacred? |
| 01:00:40 | whardier | the kitty litter |
| 01:00:42 | whardier | is changed |
| 01:00:43 | whardier | phew! |
| 01:00:44 | Cloudchaser | and you need zlib on the sharp rom, on oz its there |
| 01:00:45 | dan | No SUsE is |
| 01:01:48 | nasa | Cloudchaser: I got it working ... very nice |
| 01:02:32 | Cloudchaser | :) |
| 01:02:59 | ljp | ever watch Ren and Stimpy? |
| 01:03:34 | Cloudchaser | not me |
| 01:03:38 | whardier | I do |
| 01:03:41 | whardier | did |
| 01:03:53 | ljp | I loved that cartoon |
| 01:04:23 | TheMasterMind1 | reflashes with latest qt/opie |
| 01:04:35 | angry | i always used to :) |
| 01:04:36 | cranchy | are they going to make it so all documents installed to mtrdram don't show up in the Documents tab? |
| 01:04:54 | angry | and their rubber knee caps |
| 01:05:05 | burtonator_ | does it make sense to reformat my CF to ext2? |
| 01:05:09 | burtonator_ | is that better? |
| 01:05:12 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 01:05:17 | TheMasterMind1 | yes probably |
| 01:05:19 | dan | burt no |
| 01:05:20 | TheMasterMind1 | but |
| 01:05:27 | TheMasterMind1 | if you use it with a digicam |
| 01:05:29 | TheMasterMind1 | or for flashing |
| 01:05:32 | TheMasterMind1 | don't reformat |
| 01:05:49 | whardier | shouldn't the Z be using umsdos instead of vfat? |
| 01:05:50 | burtonator_ | I have a dedicated 128M CF for my camera and flashing |
| 01:05:54 | whardier | on CF |
| 01:05:59 | whardier | for any fat related stuff? |
| 01:06:03 | TheMasterMind1 | then you can probably ext2 it |
| 01:06:06 | burtonator_ | so I guess ext2 is better... |
| 01:06:12 | TheMasterMind1 | ext2 will support symlinks and stuff |
| 01:06:18 | TheMasterMind1 | permissions |
| 01:06:19 | burtonator_ | are there any stability reasons to do it? |
| 01:06:25 | TheMasterMind1 | ext2 is better than fat |
| 01:06:39 | TheMasterMind1 | if its being a bitch, ext2 might fix it |
| 01:06:40 | burtonator_ | oh.. hm.. maybe this is why my package manager is having problems with my SD |
| 01:06:42 | ljp | unless you want to use your cf to flash |
| 01:06:47 | burtonator_ | ... maybe I should convert it to ext2 |
| 01:06:53 | TheMasterMind1 | burtonator_ heh. yea, fat like symlinks |
| 01:07:32 | TheMasterMind1 | haha |
| 01:07:35 | TheMasterMind1 | i reflashed! |
| 01:07:43 | TheMasterMind1 | anyone want my initrd.bin/zImage ? |
| 01:08:09 | nasa | dan: when you installed the skyexplorer program is there a file '/..exclude'? |
| 01:08:12 | TheMasterMind1 | it has support for orinoco cards with kismet a newer tinylogin udhcpc and the latest opie/qt |
| 01:09:19 | dan | I got the ipks |
| 01:09:20 | cranchy | I want wepcrack, or Airsnort |
| 01:09:27 | dan | I clicked it and it went |
| 01:09:53 | nasa | ok |
| 01:10:02 | TheMasterMind1 | cranchy what will you do with it unless you find a crackable wep? |
| 01:10:19 | TheMasterMind1 | run kismet and if it finds any "interesting" packets, then get airsnort |
| 01:11:26 | cranchy | true |
| 01:13:10 | TheMasterMind1 | smacks the shit out of busybox |
| 01:13:13 | TheMasterMind1 | fucking udhcpc |
| 01:14:20 | dan | nasa: for me it was easy as pie |
| 01:14:33 | burtonator_ | thinks it would be nice to suport ext3 |
| 01:14:35 | Cloudchaser | wb kergoth |
| 01:14:43 | dan | i clicked on the ipkg and it worked |
| 01:14:50 | dan | are you using openZ? |
| 01:14:55 | kergoth | thanks cloud |
| 01:15:13 | dan | b/c it wont work w/ openz |
| 01:15:13 | kergoth | I decided to rewrite the beginnings of my pcm1741 audio driver |
| 01:15:15 | kergoth | i do that too oftne |
| 01:15:23 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 01:15:24 | dan | it is a jave prog |
| 01:15:26 | cranchy | hehe |
| 01:15:30 | burtonator_ | finds it funny that I can click on icon that doesn't have a proggy and it doesn't complain |
| 01:15:39 | cranchy | I hate the documents tab filing up with progs installed in mtdram |
| 01:17:19 | kergoth | cranchy: adding mtdram to documents was a good idea, but we shouldve fixed the docs tab adding installed apps problem first |
| 01:17:21 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:17:43 | cranchy | :P |
| 01:17:52 | cranchy | you know what I mean |
| 01:17:53 | cranchy | :) |
| 01:18:00 | cranchy | any idea how soon that'll be fixed |
| 01:18:06 | Onyx4 | why not treat mtdram with mediumount? like we do for the SD/CF cards? |
| 01:18:14 | burtonator_ | kergoth: this is your daily openzaurus-devel@lists.sf.net mailing list creation reminder ;) |
| 01:18:41 | burtonator_ | kergoth: I also figured out what they error was in konq |
| 01:18:53 | burtonator_ | it is the presence of the preinst file... ipkg is REALLY broken :( |
| 01:23:02 | ljp | naaa just that preinst file |
| 01:25:34 | dan | kergoth I am anxious to use opie whne it gains a few more features |
| 01:28:06 | dan | I have used it and switch back for a few small reasons here and their |
| 01:28:18 | dan | but you are getting there |
| 01:28:24 | dan | It is looking nice |
| 01:28:30 | ljp | what reasons? |
| 01:28:37 | dan | what language is it written in |
| 01:28:43 | dan | synching |
| 01:28:47 | kergoth | dan: fyi, I'm the openzaurus guy. the opie projects is a team of talented developers. |
| 01:28:49 | dan | come progs not working |
| 01:28:52 | dan | no JAVA |
| 01:28:52 | kergoth | darienm: syncing works fine |
| 01:28:54 | kergoth | er |
| 01:28:56 | kergoth | dan i mean |
| 01:29:12 | ljp | talented,, because we also sing and dance! |
| 01:29:36 | dan | I mean openz |
| 01:29:41 | dan | well I use both |
| 01:29:50 | dan | so you are humble |
| 01:30:04 | dan | what language it it written in? |
| 01:30:05 | dan | C |
| 01:30:09 | dan | or ? |
| 01:30:16 | ljp | c++ |
| 01:30:24 | ljp | qt embedded is the api |
| 01:31:28 | dan | I maay join..... |
| 01:31:36 | TheMasterMind1 | what does install -d do? |
| 01:31:42 | dan | I will probably not contribute much.... |
| 01:31:46 | dan | buthey |
| 01:32:58 | dan | To join Opie or OpenZaurus |
| 01:33:43 | TheMasterMind1 | smacks busybox |
| 01:33:48 | TheMasterMind1 | "work bitch!" |
| 01:33:52 | dan | ??? |
| 01:34:08 | dan | hmmmm |
| 01:34:25 | dan | This will be my first real open source experieance |
| 01:34:34 | TheMasterMind1 | what will |
| 01:34:55 | dan | I need to join an easy project |
| 01:35:00 | dan | what should I join |
| 01:35:14 | ljp | do yo uknow c++? |
| 01:36:43 | dan | mostly C |
| 01:36:55 | dan | w/ some C++ |
| 01:37:05 | dan | I could learn though |
| 01:37:16 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm making progress! |
| 01:38:10 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth interdependencies while "make openzaurus"-ing are crazy. half the stuff doesn't install because its dependencies are installed after it |
| 01:39:37 | dan | make a new package manager |
| 01:40:39 | dan | If you all complain about ipkg so much make a new one |
| 01:41:08 | dan | make it easier to make the packages so people will make new ones |
| 01:41:23 | oGMo | mmm, epkg |
| 01:41:31 | dan | also make it so that it works on qpe |
| 01:41:40 | dan | w/ a patch |
| 01:41:40 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth how do i make something that exists in staging move to root/ .. there's some dhcp files that are in /usr/share/udhcpc |
| 01:43:11 | dan | that way we can fix what compaq has doe |
| 01:43:13 | dan | done |
| 01:43:15 | TheMasterMind1 | nm, got it |
| 01:43:39 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm actually starting to understand this stuff! |
| 01:43:41 | TheMasterMind1 | its amazing |
| 01:44:33 | dan | I am going to bed |
| 01:44:38 | dan | night night |
| 01:44:50 | dan | make a new package manager |
| 01:44:53 | dan | Make it easier |
| 01:45:04 | dan | that is the key |
| 01:45:25 | ljp | sure |
| 01:45:29 | dan | making ipkgs aint the easiest thing to do |
| 01:45:50 | dan | so make it all automatic, and I will see you in 3 years |
| 01:45:52 | dan | hahha |
| 01:46:04 | TheMasterMind1 | dan oipkg already exists |
| 01:46:08 | TheMasterMind1 | its fairly good |
| 01:46:28 | dan | But it doesnt fix the format |
| 01:46:50 | dan | the format is what is messed up |
| 01:46:59 | dan | good night |
| 01:47:23 | dan | I am going to bed |
| 01:49:01 | ljp | heh... newbies... |
| 01:57:44 | Cloudchaser | - |
| 01:57:55 | mutexer | bbiab |
| 02:07:22 | DaWorm | re |
| 02:08:33 | Cloudchaser | hiya |
| 02:10:18 | whardier | howdy howdy howdy |
| 02:10:24 | whardier | everybody hates 3d pingi |
| 02:10:30 | whardier | so he will be discontinued |
| 02:11:53 | Cloudchaser | hmm i don't think the lated clipboard app is on oz feed or something else eating up the app cpu |
| 02:12:13 | Cloudchaser | that's "latest" |
| 02:18:18 | DaWorm | hrrmm |
| 02:18:21 | whardier | o |
| 02:18:23 | DaWorm | i just bought a large 256mb cf |
| 02:18:30 | DaWorm | thinking if i flash oz finally |
| 02:18:34 | DaWorm | and try out for myself |
| 02:21:03 | Cloudchaser | ah good luck |
| 02:21:12 | Cloudchaser | ;) |
| 02:21:30 | DaWorm | dohh... |
| 02:21:30 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 02:24:12 | TheMasterMind1 | hah |
| 02:24:18 | TheMasterMind1 | i taught that udhcpc |
| 02:25:06 | Wembly | gawd |
| 02:25:10 | Wembly | i need to port this game to the zaurus |
| 02:25:13 | Wembly | its soo cool |
| 02:25:15 | TheMasterMind1 | what game |
| 02:25:20 | Wembly | liquid wars |
| 02:25:25 | Wembly | its on freshmeat's frontpage |
| 02:25:51 | whardier | liquid wars is interesting |
| 02:25:51 | whardier | heh |
| 02:25:58 | whardier | while you are at it |
| 02:26:00 | whardier | bting NiL over |
| 02:26:03 | whardier | bring |
| 02:26:09 | whardier | I wan't Ni:! |
| 02:26:12 | whardier | NiL |
| 02:26:13 | whardier | yeah |
| 02:27:32 | TheMasterMind1 | i want _____ |
| 02:28:12 | TheMasterMind1 | anyone want an initrd? |
| 02:28:21 | whardier | geah! |
| 02:28:21 | TheMasterMind1 | freshly out of the compiler |
| 02:28:25 | whardier | green eggs and ham! |
| 02:28:28 | TheMasterMind1 | fresh even |
| 02:28:33 | TheMasterMind1 | nice and hot |
| 02:28:56 | whardier | likes being naked |
| 02:29:48 | TheMasterMind1 | uh oh |
| 02:30:46 | TheMasterMind1 | adds to his TODO |
| 02:30:52 | scanline | probably shouldn't get naked, he has a roommate :p |
| 02:30:54 | whardier | clothe me! |
| 02:31:07 | whardier | you know what I hate about students? |
| 02:31:14 | whardier | you lose all privacy around them |
| 02:31:22 | whardier | for instance |
| 02:31:27 | whardier | wake up.. walk to bathroom.. |
| 02:31:39 | whardier | feel okey dokey that you are naked right now on the way there |
| 02:31:39 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 02:31:51 | whardier | drop to knees behind desk as you realize a friend broke in to use your computer |
| 02:31:56 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 02:32:06 | TheMasterMind1 | rofl |
| 02:32:26 | whardier | I really hate it.. they just assume some single guy that works for a living is not gonna get his daily naked in! |
| 02:32:37 | whardier | anyhoot |
| 02:32:42 | whardier | thats what I think about students |
| 02:32:49 | whardier | and alittle what I think about nudism |
| 02:32:57 | whardier | let the wisdom soak |
| 02:35:41 | ljp | heh |
| 02:37:37 | ljp | its not nudism if you are at home |
| 02:37:59 | asterick | Anyone in here ever paid for strategic assault? |
| 02:38:04 | whardier | I have cats |
| 02:38:04 | asterick | I ordered it, but it doesn't register. |
| 02:39:46 | ljp | neotron would be the one to talk to |
| 02:41:52 | ljp | cats are always nude.. even outside |
| 02:42:04 | whardier | damn nudists |
| 02:43:46 | ljp | ya and they even lick themselves in public |
| 02:44:02 | fat-away | who doesnt |
| 02:44:09 | Fatbum | ho everyone! |
| 02:44:12 | Fatbum | hi that is |
| 02:45:58 | DaWorm | i paid for it |
| 02:49:13 | whardier | paid for ho? |
| 02:49:18 | asterick | Da: I ordered it from the myzaurus. |
| 02:49:29 | asterick | and I didn't get any registration info for it. :/ |
| 02:49:45 | whardier | thinks NeoTron sent you two in here to drive up sales :) |
| 02:50:57 | DaWorm | an email should arrive soon |
| 02:52:43 | asterick | Da: I ordered it days ago. |
| 02:52:55 | asterick | I just sent them an eMail. |
| 02:53:28 | DaWorm | hrrmm |
| 02:53:39 | DaWorm | you can try asking Neotron when he's here |
| 02:53:49 | DaWorm | he's probably out |
| 02:53:58 | DaWorm | he's the guy at eongames |
| 02:54:02 | | NeoTron is http://david.hedbor.org or http://eongames.com/ or mailto:david@eongames.com or mailto:david@hedbor.org |
| 02:54:02 | DaWorm | ibot NeoTron |
| 02:57:56 | | bbeattie: what? |
| 02:57:56 | bbeattie | ibot: url gps |
| 03:04:35 | | warmi was last seen on #zaurus 2 days, 3 hours, 12 minutes and 41 seconds ago, saying: porting something ? [Sat Aug 31 00:51:54 2002] |
| 03:04:35 | br33zy | ibot seen warmi |
| 03:04:45 | | ibot was last seen on #bzflag 6 days, 3 hours, 37 minutes and 30 seconds ago, saying: ibot insult ibot [Tue Aug 27 00:27:15 2002] |
| 03:04:45 | br33zy | ibot seen ibot |
| 03:04:47 | | fatbum was last seen on #zaurus 0 seconds ago, saying: ibot seen fatbum [Mon Sep 2 04:04:47 2002] |
| 03:04:47 | Fatbum | ibot seen fatbum |
| 03:04:53 | | fat-away was last seen on #zaurus 20 minutes and 51 seconds ago, saying: who doesnt [Mon Sep 2 03:44:02 2002] |
| 03:04:53 | Fatbum | ibot seen fat-away |
| 03:05:03 | | br33zy was last seen on #zaurus 0 seconds ago, saying: ibot seen br33zy [Mon Sep 2 04:05:03 2002] |
| 03:05:03 | br33zy | ibot seen br33zy |
| 03:05:10 | oGMo | causes harm to the bot abusers |
| 03:05:16 | Fatbum | hahaha |
| 03:05:20 | | Fatbum: i'm not following you... |
| 03:05:20 | Fatbum | ibot kill yourself |
| 03:06:46 | bbeattie | this ibot is really, really, stupid. |
| 03:06:59 | Fatbum | nah |
| 03:06:59 | bbeattie | he's an old version, not to much ai in him. |
| 03:07:34 | bbeattie | any one here a GPS user w/ the zaurus? |
| 03:07:46 | Fatbum | shit yea |
| 03:07:51 | Fatbum | i cant get anywhere with out it |
| 03:07:59 | Cloudchaser | didn't think there was a good one for the z yet |
| 03:08:08 | Fatbum | nah i dont |
| 03:08:11 | Fatbum | hehe i have no clue |
| 03:08:25 | Fatbum | like i do with getting my network to work in oz |
| 03:08:27 | Fatbum | :( |
| 03:08:28 | Fatbum | :'( |
| 03:08:42 | bbeattie | do you use a cf gps or garmin? |
| 03:08:52 | Cloudchaser | no |
| 03:09:10 | Cloudchaser | do you? |
| 03:09:45 | Fatbum | [23:14] <Fatbum> nah i dont |
| 03:09:46 | Fatbum | [23:14] <Fatbum> hehe i have no clue |
| 03:10:08 | bbeattie | not yet, but I need to. I am helping w/ a demo at a show in the next month and will be borrowing a garmin III+ gps, and I need to get something working with the Z, but first of all I'm not sure what connector/how it hooks up the the Z |
| 03:10:35 | Fatbum | cf surely |
| 03:12:34 | bbeattie | It's not a CF device, The person currently hooks it up to a palm via a serial cable of some sort, but I'm not sure what to call the Z's "USB" connector. |
| 03:12:58 | angry | kergoth = back? is the legend true? |
| 03:13:02 | Cloudchaser | maybe it would work with sharps serial cable? |
| 03:13:10 | Fatbum | its not a usb controller |
| 03:13:16 | Fatbum | you cant plug in usb devices |
| 03:13:21 | Fatbum | afaik |
| 03:14:00 | bbeattie | what is the Z's connector? I don't think I've never seen a connector like it, unless it's the same as what ipaq's have. |
| 03:15:39 | DaWorm | what legend? |
| 03:15:50 | Fatbum | bbeattie id like that info too |
| 03:15:55 | Fatbum | i wanna make a connector |
| 03:17:51 | burtonator | this is strange... I converted my CF to ext2 but Linux is still attempting to mount it as vfat |
| 03:17:56 | Fatbum | bbeattie its proprietary to sharp |
| 03:18:08 | bbeattie | do you know if the connector on the bottom of the ipaq is the same as the connector on the Z (used for synching? I don't have my ipaq anymore to check) |
| 03:18:19 | Fatbum | i havent got an ipaq |
| 03:19:04 | bbeattie | So how are the people doing gps on the zaurus? how do they connect their garmins? |
| 03:19:23 | Fatbum | Serial I/F Specifications : |
| 03:19:23 | Fatbum | Electrical and mechanical specifications of proprietary 16-PIN serial interface on Sharp SL-5xxx series Sharp Linux/Java PDA |
| 03:19:32 | Fatbum | want the link? |
| 03:19:59 | bbeattie | yes |
| 03:20:00 | bbeattie | thanks |
| 03:20:04 | Fatbum | http://more.sbc.co.jp/slj/doc/pdf/sio.zip |
| 03:21:37 | Fatbum | Connector Used: |
| 03:21:37 | Fatbum | P/N: TCX3104-010100 (Hoshiden Corporation) |
| 03:31:49 | jmhodges | wild |
| 03:31:56 | Fatbum | what |
| 03:34:20 | bbeattie | brother, they want $39.99 for a serial cable? I called compaq and asked them for one and they sent it to me free. anyone else sell stuff besides sharp? that's more obsurd than $40.00 for a optical cable for DTS. |
| 03:34:45 | Fatbum | im gonna make keyboards |
| 03:34:48 | Fatbum | ive decided |
| 03:34:57 | Cloudchaser | hp's cable was 20.00, but one came with it also |
| 03:34:59 | jmhodges | cool Fatbum.. why? |
| 03:35:12 | Fatbum | cuz i really dont like the small keys |
| 03:35:20 | jmhodges | sweet |
| 03:35:20 | Fatbum | plus makin money is cool |
| 03:35:39 | jmhodges | i would so buy one from you |
| 03:35:47 | bbeattie | Cloudchaser: do you have an ipaq? |
| 03:35:57 | jmhodges | just make it quiet :) class notes and all :D |
| 03:36:03 | Cloudchaser | no |
| 03:36:08 | Cloudchaser | no ipaq |
| 03:36:11 | DrBoB | I called Hoshidden Corp about a connector: they said (with glee in their voices) "All your connector are belong to us!" |
| 03:36:21 | Cloudchaser | but after looking around on handango, i'm begining to wish i did |
| 03:36:25 | Fatbum | DrBoB really? |
| 03:36:25 | burtonator | installs quake ;) |
| 03:36:32 | DrBoB | no |
| 03:36:34 | bbeattie | does anyone here have an ipaq? |
| 03:36:37 | Fatbum | haha |
| 03:36:42 | Fatbum | you didnt call them? |
| 03:36:53 | jmhodges | lol DrBoB |
| 03:37:06 | DrBoB | no, I didn't call them...it was just a joke |
| 03:37:13 | Fatbum | ok |
| 03:37:17 | Fatbum | my heart sank for a sec |
| 03:37:21 | Fatbum | thought they wouldnt sell em |
| 03:37:39 | Fatbum | why? cuz im dumb |
| 03:37:43 | jmhodges | lol! |
| 03:37:47 | Fatbum | thats what america'll do to ya |
| 03:37:57 | jmhodges | Fatbum: start crackin on those keyboards :) |
| 03:38:07 | Fatbum | i am |
| 03:38:09 | Fatbum | as we speak |
| 03:38:15 | DrBoB | it's an old story: single source a connector and then you can charge watever you wannt for a "cable" |
| 03:38:54 | DrBoB | HP did it, palm does it, why not Sharp too? |
| 03:39:15 | jmhodges | Fatbum: you are awesome |
| 03:39:25 | Fatbum | we will see |
| 03:39:29 | Fatbum | shouldnt be hard |
| 03:39:33 | jmhodges | Fatbum: what allowed you to attain such skill? |
| 03:39:34 | Fatbum | ive got financial backing too |
| 03:39:37 | jmhodges | ooo |
| 03:39:42 | jmhodges | funding is good |
| 03:39:53 | Fatbum | i have to look at some low power gibberish |
| 03:41:36 | bbeattie | someone here has to have a Zaurus and an Ipaq... |
| 03:41:51 | Fatbum | you want to know if its same connector bbeattie? |
| 03:41:57 | DrBoB | well, if you get some connectors, let me know...I want a couple...and I'll pay for them too |
| 03:42:00 | cdm | evening. |
| 03:42:09 | bbeattie | Fatbum: yes, I had an ipaq once, and the connectors look very similar |
| 03:42:16 | Fatbum | ill prolly have to order like 50 |
| 03:42:28 | Fatbum | bbeattie: you want to know if they are exactly the same? |
| 03:42:30 | Fatbum | i doubt they are |
| 03:42:45 | bbeattie | DrBoB: you can get a serial cable connector from sharp for 40 bucks, but I'd make one before I paid that. |
| 03:42:56 | bbeattie | Fatbum: exact, or close. |
| 03:43:21 | DrBoB | $40.00???? that's highway robbery |
| 03:43:31 | cdm | problem is that the output from the Z is not RS232. |
| 03:43:35 | cdm | voltage level wise. |
| 03:43:38 | bbeattie | the bottom line is I need to get a garmin gps III+ that can connect to a palm currently, connected to a Zaurus for a show. |
| 03:44:09 | cdm | so if you connect an RS232 to the serial inputs of a Z without the right buffering and voltage conversion you will blow it up. |
| 03:44:30 | Fatbum | cdm explain |
| 03:44:37 | Fatbum | ecplain what you think of |
| 03:44:42 | bbeattie | cdm: what about the serial cable you can get from sharp? it doesn't look like it had anything special on it |
| 03:44:58 | cdm | bbeattie: sure, it has that big black icky bit at the end of to do the line conversion and buffering. |
| 03:45:04 | cdm | has one. |
| 03:45:15 | DrBoB | I have a Garmin GPS 35 that will supply TTL or RS232 outputs of NEMA data |
| 03:45:26 | cdm | and if you have the schems for the Z you will see that they bring the raw CMOS lines out. |
| 03:45:44 | bbeattie | so that (it's grey on the website) connector has electronics in it? not just the connector? |
| 03:45:56 | Fatbum | bbeattie yes resistors, etc |
| 03:46:10 | cdm | bbeattie: correct. |
| 03:46:23 | cdm | bbeattie: since RS232 is +-12V and CMOS is O-3.3V |
| 03:46:27 | Fatbum | 6 different 'deallies' on different pins |
| 03:46:36 | cdm | bbeattie: and also to buffer, to protect the Z. |
| 03:46:59 | bbeattie | builds his grudge against those who use proprietary hardware. |
| 03:47:29 | Fatbum | well i think building it to use rs232 would increase power consumption correct? |
| 03:47:37 | DrBoB | But a tiny MAX232 should be able to do all the level translation |
| 03:47:48 | cdm | Fatbum: Sure - but the iPaq gets around that by having a bit in the GPIO's to turn it on and off. |
| 03:47:55 | DrBoB | yeah...RS232 needs 12 volts |
| 03:48:03 | cdm | DrBoB: as long as you can get a passive one or suck the power off the Z, yes. |
| 03:48:04 | bbeattie | cdm: so say I buy one of the outrageously priced connectors, I believe the person with the garmin I'm working with has a garmin to serial cable, with those in place, anything else you see that would prevent it from working? |
| 03:48:17 | cdm | bbeattie: nope. |
| 03:48:31 | Fatbum | bbeattie why not get a cf one? |
| 03:49:15 | cdm | bbeattie: although I do have an RS232 on my PC that doesn't like the Sharp cable. |
| 03:49:21 | bbeattie | Fatbum: I'm doing this as a LUG memeber at a linux booth at a show, and for a presentation I'm helping out with. We have no $$ to go buy one, and a fellow member is offering to let us use his garmin gps III+ |
| 03:49:29 | DrBoB | I used to play with the Motorolla HC11 microprocessors.... be advised that Maxim is liberal with sampling |
| 03:50:02 | cdm | DrBoB: yep, but it is harder and harder to get something you can work on without a scope and using amature soldering tools. |
| 03:50:36 | DrBoB | Maxim has some really cool power chips... |
| 03:50:57 | cdm | Maxim is a great source of many cool things. As is Dallas Semi. |
| 03:51:07 | cdm | Maxim makes some really nice parallel interface A/D. |
| 03:51:41 | adam | Anyone want to talk email clients? |
| 03:52:06 | DrBoB | Get the Garmin GPS35 ....it comes in like 5 different versions...you want the GPS-35LP (low power) because you could run the GPS right offf the Z and the output is CMOS level |
| 03:53:02 | adam | I'm looking for a way to run an email client on the Zaurus that does IMAP/SSL and authenticated secure SMTP |
| 03:53:18 | DrBoB | check their website for a thorough tech-spec document |
| 03:54:23 | adam | The included client doesn't do either, there doesn't seem to be a package for mutt |
| 03:54:44 | jmhodges | lol |
| 03:55:27 | jmhodges | xfsamba + campus wide network = mp3 grabbin, hard drive poking good ol' times |
| 03:55:32 | adam | I'm sorry, what my question too practical |
| 03:55:42 | adam | what = was |
| 03:56:24 | Fatbum | xfsamba?? |
| 03:57:07 | Fatbum | on your z? |
| 03:57:07 | adam | Anyone? IMAP/SSL capable email client? |
| 03:57:21 | cdm | Pocket Outlook Express |
| 03:57:25 | cdm | ooopss. |
| 03:57:26 | cdm | ;) |
| 03:57:28 | DrBoB | adam... Did you check out the zauruszone feed? |
| 03:57:47 | jmhodges | Fatbum: lol no no |
| 03:57:54 | jmhodges | Fatbum: sorry meant that for another chat |
| 03:57:59 | Fatbum | oh |
| 03:58:02 | DrBoB | lacking that, how about the Debian ARM stuff? |
| 03:58:04 | Fatbum | id like it on my z |
| 03:58:09 | jmhodges | Fatbum: same here |
| 03:58:21 | Fatbum | why not port it? |
| 03:58:22 | adam | yes. I checked out the various feeds. |
| 03:58:25 | jmhodges | lol .. man that would bump wardriving with the Z up anotehr notch :) |
| 03:59:15 | jmhodges | Fatbum: dont have a cross-compiler here .. im too lazy to figure how to do it.. and i dont want to install an rpm (that would require me having rpm anyway :/) |
| 04:00:01 | adam | The only thing I see is opie-mail which requires me to use a different ROM. |
| 04:00:15 | DrBoB | does it? |
| 04:00:25 | adam | doesn't it? |
| 04:00:41 | DrBoB | some of the opie packages work OK on the stock ROMs |
| 04:01:11 | adam | OK. I'll give it a try. |
| 04:02:30 | DrBoB | personally, I consider anything that goes through Email to be a public conversation .:-) |
| 04:02:30 | bbeattie | oh, speaking of roms, is it possible, when flashing, to have the flash stop half-way and then the zaurus be unusable until the rom is replaced back at sharp? (I had this happen to my ipaq) |
| 04:02:49 | Wembly | herm. |
| 04:02:52 | Wembly | well i might be back |
| 04:02:52 | Fatbum | bbeattie only if you unplug it |
| 04:03:35 | DrBoB | no, but you can get intoa situation where you have to have a CF card and reader to reflash the ROM |
| 04:04:14 | DrBoB | IE: the ROM would have to be loaded via a CF card |
| 04:04:36 | adam | even so, the default email client is hardly usable |
| 04:04:48 | bbeattie | DrBoB: so if saw I was doing a usb flash, windows died half way through, the zaurus would be dead, and unable to synch via usb again, but if you use the "special cf flash of holding down some keys when turning it on" it will reflash from a half-flashed system? |
| 04:04:57 | bbeattie | s/saw/say |
| 04:04:58 | Fatbum | you cant usb flash |
| 04:05:21 | bbeattie | Fatbum: I believe you can, sharp did it at linux world for me ;) |
| 04:05:24 | cdm | bbeattie: there are images you can download that don't touch the boot-block. |
| 04:05:42 | Fatbum | bbeattie hmm |
| 04:05:45 | Fatbum | ok |
| 04:06:04 | DrBoB | the USB ROM first copies the ROMimage over tothe Z's RAM then executes the reflashingprocess...it would be hard to mess it up |
| 04:06:39 | adam | great. opie-mail made my z crap out completely. ggod advice |
| 04:08:01 | DrBoB | so, you would have to do something really stupid to the Z in the middle of the reflashing to mess the process up (like running out of power or hard-reseting your Z during reflashing) |
| 04:08:19 | adam | is there an easy way to reboot this thing |
| 04:08:20 | bbeattie | DrBoB: lets say some alpha particles mess the ram up and somehow it stops mid-way through the flash, is the unit dead, or can the special on boot key holds to flash from CF still work? |
| 04:08:52 | bbeattie | adam: yup, flick the "replace battery" slide on the bottom back and forth once. |
| 04:08:58 | bbeattie | however, |
| 04:09:01 | cdm | bbeattie: It depends on if it is the OSPACK or just zImage/initrd. |
| 04:09:07 | bbeattie | doing that will remove all your contact lists, programs, etc. |
| 04:10:25 | bbeattie | cdm: so there isn't a chip in the zaurus with enough smarts to flash everything on the zaurus from a CF card? (that's what I'm getting at) |
| 04:10:27 | adam | far too easy to break this thing for a consumer device. |
| 04:10:41 | DrBoB | so get a 32 MB CF card... stick a ROM image o one half and a backupfile on the other half |
| 04:10:46 | cdm | adam: no question. It isn't a very good consumer device at all. |
| 04:11:27 | cdm | bbeattie: no. The bootblock in the flash contains the smarts to flash from CF. So if you erase the bootblock and reset the unit before you program that block you have a dead machine. JTAG is the only hope at that point. |
| 04:11:30 | bbeattie | DrBoB: does it have to be CF, or will SD work too? |
| 04:11:30 | adam | I wonder how many units they have sold |
| 04:11:36 | cdm | adam: hardly any. |
| 04:11:44 | DrBoB | then you still would be screwed if, say, mutant giant godzilla creatures ate your CF card :-) or say beamed protons through your Z |
| 04:11:49 | cdm | adam: Less then 100,000 in 6+ months. |
| 04:12:15 | bbeattie | cdm: JTAG = just toss at garbage? |
| 04:12:16 | cdm | adam: I have heard only like 40,000 - but I am not sure if that is accurate. |
| 04:12:32 | Fatbum | bbeattie ipaq:25-pins, z:16 |
| 04:12:42 | DrBoB | the manual reflash has to be from CF ...not SD |
| 04:12:47 | bbeattie | Fatbum: okey, that's proof enough, thanks. |
| 04:12:49 | cdm | bbeattie: JTAG == Joint Test Action Group. It is a spec for stuffing bits into hardware. There are 4 pins on the Z's connector for it that lets you re-flash the unit. |
| 04:12:53 | adam | ouch |
| 04:13:13 | KallDrexx | How can I run an ipkg server on my machine? |
| 04:13:20 | cdm | adam: Putting Linux on it really hurts them...since no one else is doing it. |
| 04:13:41 | jmhodges | whoa.. seinfeld eps.. |
| 04:13:58 | bbeattie | cdm: ahh, okey, so if I know someone with some equip for flashing to roms (used to..) the unit is still salvagable, correct? |
| 04:14:25 | cdm | bbeattie: not that simple. You need someone with the Service Manual, the jtag connector for the Z and the Z's customized jflash software for Windows. |
| 04:14:52 | cdm | bbeattie: if that person is will to unsolder the flash chip, program it, and put it back you will be okay. Or if the flash is in a snap-in package. |
| 04:15:17 | bbeattie | cdm: and if I don't, is it warranteed by sharp? (I'm not going to try, but I have had very bad experience, as others, with ipaq's dieing durring flash's, average of 10% failed on flashing on a couple hundred attempts. |
| 04:15:48 | Fatbum | dude you wont fuck up the flash |
| 04:15:52 | Fatbum | dont be a wuss |
| 04:16:40 | bbeattie | Fatbum: I'm still new the zaurus, but talk to the people on the pocketlinux project and ask them about their joys of sending countless units back to compaq that died on reflashing... |
| 04:16:52 | Fatbum | ok |
| 04:17:00 | Fatbum | thats because windows wont let go of anything |
| 04:17:04 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 04:17:06 | Fatbum | even your brain |
| 04:17:12 | DrBoB | I tell ya, the ONLY solution to such uncertainty is to become a hardcore fundametalist christian, or to wear a tin foil beanie cap at all times :-) |
| 04:17:38 | bbeattie | 1/2's not too bad is it? :) |
| 04:18:03 | cdm | bbeattie: the pocket linux people where being stupid and used a version of the CRL bootloader with a known bug in it. |
| 04:18:24 | cdm | bbeattie: the CRL loader won't let that happen anymore....plus it boots WinCE so you don't even have to remove it on re-install. |
| 04:18:50 | bbeattie | cdm: no, the ipaq's streamed it's data over the USB for flashing, this was the main reason for many errors while flashing I believe. |
| 04:19:17 | bbeattie | no= not just that but, |
| 04:19:21 | cdm | bbeattie: no, it does it over serial. And the issue was that pocketlinux was using a VERY outdated bootldr that didn't do the cksum at the end. |
| 04:19:30 | cdm | bbeattie: just FYI, I work on that bootloader. |
| 04:19:45 | cdm | bbeattie: the guys at Compaq where VERY pissed off. |
| 04:19:50 | bbeattie | cdm: I had 2 flashes via usb die when flashing windows ce on it, |
| 04:20:26 | cdm | bbeattie: Well, not via CRL's bootldr. ;) |
| 04:21:03 | George- | yo |
| 04:21:08 | KallDrexx | yo |
| 04:21:19 | George- | *yawn* 6am.. ;) |
| 04:21:40 | KallDrexx | 1am here |
| 04:21:41 | KallDrexx | ;) |
| 04:21:48 | Fatbum | i must needa restart |
| 04:21:55 | Fatbum | fuckin windows |
| 04:21:55 | bbeattie | cdm: nope, but it was still 1 week of a working ipaq and 7 weeks of downtime between when I had to wait for my ipaq to be fixed, twice. (granted my windows/usb I don't trust) |
| 04:22:31 | George- | Fatbum: bye! ;) |
| 04:22:59 | Fatbum | why? |
| 04:23:01 | cdm | bbeattie: ha! I have never had more then a 3-4 day turn around from jamey at CRL. Mind you, he kinda knows me. ;) |
| 04:23:21 | Fatbum | oh sh!t thought i was gettin k/b again |
| 04:23:24 | Fatbum | eh |
| 04:23:34 | bbeattie | cdm: One return took a week and a half, the other took 5 weeks, |
| 04:23:49 | George- | I'm hacking the 5000D ROM to have the A300 qtopia updates ;) |
| 04:24:00 | angry | do it do it do it! :) |
| 04:24:05 | George- | angry: lol |
| 04:24:17 | George- | angry: NeoTron very kindly gave me a tarball /usr/QtPalmtop.rom ;) |
| 04:24:23 | angry | if you do hook me up ;) |
| 04:24:35 | bbeattie | Oh, and ben from sharp dislikes and hears of many 5000D model users trying to load the 5500 rom onto it, that also kills the unit. :-) |
| 04:24:37 | KallDrexx | George-: what's hte difference? |
| 04:24:48 | angry | KallDrexx: documents are much better |
| 04:24:49 | George- | KallDrexx: documents tab? :) |
| 04:24:49 | angry | err |
| 04:24:52 | angry | documents tab |
| 04:25:05 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/flashlight1.png |
| 04:25:07 | whardier | gets bored and starts modelling things on his desk |
| 04:25:10 | George- | bbeattie: I'm not _that_ stupid |
| 04:25:47 | KallDrexx | hows the document tab better? |
| 04:25:52 | bbeattie | George-: I'm sure, I'm just coming up with a bunch of ways to kill units via flashing or otherwise. :) |
| 04:25:56 | NeoTron | directories |
| 04:26:00 | George- | whardier: is that pingizauru's toilet? :) |
| 04:27:21 | George- | hrmm, the A300 doesn't include Opera? |
| 04:27:41 | NeoTron | no |
| 04:27:45 | NeoTron | no browser actually |
| 04:27:46 | George- | NeoTron: ok |
| 04:27:49 | NeoTron | kind of surprised me |
| 04:27:59 | NeoTron | I guess the CD might come with one |
| 04:27:59 | George- | Does it include Jeode? |
| 04:28:09 | cdm | bbeattie: If you just flash zImage and initrd you can't ruin the unit though (unless the cf guy has a bug). I use it all the time - get rid of Linux on my Z. |
| 04:28:53 | NeoTron | damn it |
| 04:28:58 | NeoTron | Handango is so pissing me off |
| 04:29:37 | NeoTron | wonder how upset they would get if I made it so that all purchases went through my site but keeping using them for posting the stuff., :P |
| 04:29:54 | NeoTron | like "Strategic Assault DEMO" for free etc.. |
| 04:30:11 | NeoTron | and more importantly wonder if I would see a major drop in registrations... |
| 04:30:28 | DaWorm | i got strategic assualt from handango |
| 04:30:54 | George- | NeoTron: hah |
| 04:30:57 | NeoTron | right so did a whole lot of other people |
| 04:30:57 | George- | NeoTron: that's evil :) |
| 04:31:04 | George- | NeoTron: run everything on PayPal :) |
| 04:31:07 | NeoTron | but would you have registered if you had to go to my site to do it? |
| 04:31:19 | DaWorm | nopw |
| 04:31:22 | NeoTron | George-: I so wish.. 2.9% + $.30 per sale is so much better |
| 04:31:26 | bbeattie | cdm: one idea popped into my head. Would it be possible to connect the usb connector from the cradle up to a usb->serial piece without blowing out the Z? |
| 04:31:31 | NeoTron | DaWorm: may I ask why? (out of curiosity) |
| 04:31:34 | DaWorm | i'd rather want everything on one roof |
| 04:31:37 | George- | NeoTron: is that paypal's cut? |
| 04:31:43 | NeoTron | George-: yes |
| 04:32:00 | DaWorm | but then, that's an end users opinion |
| 04:32:22 | DaWorm | like i also have tkc apps bought from handango and some from tkc itself |
| 04:32:39 | NeoTron | that's two roofs. :P |
| 04:32:43 | DaWorm | yeah |
| 04:32:43 | cdm | bbeattie: Nope, 'cause USB sucks ass. |
| 04:32:44 | George- | Handango's greedy :( |
| 04:32:53 | DaWorm | and it sucks |
| 04:33:08 | NeoTron | greedy and recently they lose confirmation mails which means I have to manually send people reg info |
| 04:33:11 | NeoTron | and that sucks bigtime |
| 04:33:17 | DaWorm | ohhh |
| 04:33:19 | NeoTron | and it's my main frustration at this point |
| 04:33:20 | DaWorm | that sucks indeed |
| 04:33:44 | George- | whardier: what's the latest 3d pingi pic? :) |
| 04:34:14 | George- | oh, 3d pingi 20 ;) |
| 04:34:17 | cdm | bbeattie: USB is not a peer-to-peer network - it is master/slave. And PCs are the master so PDAs are slaves and can only talk to masters. |
| 04:34:46 | bbeattie | cdm: anyone way to switch a zaurus to be a master? |
| 04:34:54 | bbeattie | s/anyone/anyway |
| 04:34:58 | Wembly | hihi? |
| 04:35:19 | DaWorm | hrrmm |
| 04:35:24 | NeoTron | Handango charges 30% (or more) and can't even get the fricking order mails to me |
| 04:35:24 | cdm | bbeattie: nope. |
| 04:35:28 | DaWorm | bdicty is now avaialble for zaurus |
| 04:35:30 | NeoTron | thing is I don't know how many they have lost |
| 04:35:32 | cdm | bbeattie: that is the nature of USB. It just sucks. |
| 04:35:32 | DaWorm | but zbedic is free |
| 04:35:33 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 04:35:57 | NeoTron | but I can't afford not using it since it would drop sales a lot. I think |
| 04:36:15 | bbeattie | cdm: on a sidenote, is firewire the same way? |
| 04:36:30 | Wembly | bbeattie: the same way as what? |
| 04:36:58 | George- | OMFG |
| 04:36:58 | Wembly | firewire is more of a device to device chain. kinda like scsi. |
| 04:37:07 | Fatbum | George-? |
| 04:37:14 | cdm | no, firewire is peer-to-peer. |
| 04:37:24 | bbeattie | Wembly: I don't know much about firewire, and I was wondering if it was also a master/slave design |
| 04:37:26 | cdm | 1394 is a far more superior bus it isn't even funny. |
| 04:37:32 | Wembly | no |
| 04:37:34 | George- | Fatbum: I've just spent +18 hours compiling kde, and the whole fucking lot doesn't work |
| 04:37:47 | Wembly | firewire is like... what usb shoulda been |
| 04:37:51 | Fatbum | im sorry |
| 04:37:54 | Wembly | or what people want usb to be |
| 04:38:15 | NeoTron | George-: and that, George-, is why you don't compile KDE or Gnome. :) |
| 04:38:17 | Wembly | insted they have to make a usb device and a usb host controller into their device/pda/cellfone/whatever so that it can access other usb devices without a pc |
| 04:38:41 | Fatbum | the zaurus isnt a host controller if i remember |
| 04:38:44 | Wembly | intel pritty much said hey! lets make usb center around the pc so then everyone will need a pc to use it thus raiseing our sales i swear. |
| 04:38:46 | Wembly | no |
| 04:38:47 | | cramfs is a read-only fs wiwth each page in each file individually compressed or workable over block devices. |
| 04:38:47 | George- | ibot cramfs? |
| 04:38:54 | George- | NeoTron: haha |
| 04:38:59 | Wembly | zaurus has a device controller in the cpu |
| 04:39:02 | cdm | bbeattie: There are "masters" in a 1394 bus but they are distributed and there is no device classes that prevent any node on a 1394 network from becoming any of the various masters. |
| 04:39:17 | Wembly | intel sells a coprocessor device iirc that adds usb host along with meny other things. |
| 04:39:28 | Wembly | but by then its no longer a pda but a set top box or somesuch |
| 04:39:35 | cdm | yeah, the SA1111 |
| 04:40:21 | bbeattie | I wish people would stop selling, or atleast marketing inferior hardware/software. |
| 04:40:21 | George- | Does it add a faster SD bus? |
| 04:40:35 | cdm | also gives 2 pcmcia interfaces, 2 PS/2 controlers, and a bunch of other PC "SuperIO" like functions. |
| 04:40:50 | George- | the sa1110 gives 2 pcmcia interfaces.. |
| 04:40:55 | cdm | bbeattie: no, it is part of the USB design goals. It keeps the device side of USB cheap cheap. |
| 04:41:19 | cdm | George-: Yeah, not really. It gives two CF interfaces that need extra hardware to do PCMCIA. |
| 04:41:52 | cdm | George-: the SA1111 actually has all the pcmcia power and control logic built in. |
| 04:41:59 | George- | oh |
| 04:42:11 | George- | where...do...I...download...mkcramfs?!?!?!?!!? |
| 04:42:14 | | George-: excuse me? |
| 04:42:14 | George- | ibot mkcramfs |
| 04:42:18 | | OK, George-. |
| 04:42:18 | George- | ibot you are stupid |
| 04:42:25 | | hmmm... i am stupid |
| 04:42:25 | George- | ibot ibot? |
| 04:42:33 | Wembly | george: herm id consolt the kernel documentation |
| 04:43:39 | George- | found an rpm |
| 04:43:43 | George- | ;) |
| 04:44:02 | George- | google looks stupid with these silly faces everywhere |
| 04:45:02 | W|GGL|T | ain't it past your bedtime? |
| 04:45:53 | George- | no |
| 04:45:56 | George- | it's 6am |
| 04:46:01 | bbeattie | anyone know why sharp didn't implement the complete SD spec for faster transfer rates? price? timeline? |
| 04:46:35 | George- | oh crap |
| 04:46:36 | Fatbum | http://www.mpcparts.com/prodspecs/150057.asp that kb would like nice with my z |
| 04:46:37 | George- | *CRAP* |
| 04:47:16 | George- | ok, opera's coming out |
| 04:47:38 | W|GGL|T | full spec = sd encryption, no? |
| 04:48:04 | George- | W|GGL|T: "for faster transfer" |
| 04:48:10 | W|GGL|T | i think SD on the Z is fine as it is |
| 04:48:28 | George- | W|GGL|T: it's too slow ;) |
| 04:48:33 | bbeattie | I've been told you can't run video clips from the SD |
| 04:48:48 | George- | bbeattie: yeh, you prolly can't |
| 04:48:50 | W|GGL|T | use CF |
| 04:48:56 | George- | bbeattie: transfer rates are _very_ slow |
| 04:48:56 | bbeattie | (not sure if it's just mpeg or if divx would work) |
| 04:49:00 | Fatbum | wheres cheap sd? |
| 04:49:13 | W|GGL|T | George-: im not worried about speed with my Z...that's what my desktop and laptop are fore |
| 04:49:14 | W|GGL|T | for |
| 04:49:32 | George- | W|GGL|T: hah |
| 04:49:32 | DrBoB | "for great justice, take off all ZIG" |
| 04:49:44 | bbeattie | W|GGL|T: I wouldn't care, but it's nice to have a video clip of "Revolution OS" on the zaurus to show off. |
| 04:49:55 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 04:49:59 | George- | 14647296 |
| 04:50:00 | George- | *phew8 |
| 04:50:03 | George- | haha |
| 04:50:06 | cdm | figures out how to qnx.mpg into his Z image. ;) |
| 04:50:12 | George- | 14811136 <-- The limit ;) |
| 04:50:42 | W|GGL|T | qnx.mpg? |
| 04:50:48 | bbeattie | George-: is that the number of bits/second the zaurus can transfer off of SD? |
| 04:51:03 | bbeattie | that would ba a high number, |
| 04:51:08 | George- | bbeattie: no |
| 04:51:16 | George- | bbeattie: that's the limit of the flashrom :) |
| 04:51:22 | George- | (size for flashing onto) |
| 04:51:53 | | i don't know, george- |
| 04:51:53 | George- | ibot bootstrap.txt? |
| 04:51:55 | bbeattie | any idea what the max transfer rate of the SD hardware is? |
| 04:51:55 | George- | shut up |
| 04:52:02 | W|GGL|T | cdm: what's qnx.mpg? |
| 04:53:42 | | bugger all, i dunno, george- |
| 04:53:42 | George- | ibot bootflag.txt? |
| 04:53:44 | cdm | W|GGL|T: ah, just a little something from work. ;) |
| 04:54:27 | George- | yay,it's flashing :)))) |
| 04:54:40 | bbeattie | cdm: nothing to do with the company QNX that's in the embedded industry? |
| 04:54:59 | cdm | bbeattie: you mean the company that pays me every 2 weeks? |
| 04:55:11 | DaWorm | lol |
| 04:55:20 | DaWorm | give us qnx for zaurus! |
| 04:55:21 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 04:55:25 | cdm | DaWorm: soon. |
| 04:55:26 | George- | oh no |
| 04:55:28 | bbeattie | cdm: that would be the one. :) |
| 04:55:35 | George- | school tomorrow |
| 04:55:36 | George- | ARGH!!!!!! |
| 04:55:40 | DaWorm | goodie |
| 04:55:40 | cdm | DaWorm: http://qnxzone.com/eQip/ will have it when it is ready. |
| 04:55:53 | George- | cdm: ur employed by QNX? |
| 04:56:00 | DaWorm | the screenshots are nice |
| 04:56:15 | George- | I want e17 |
| 04:56:21 | cdm | George-: yep. |
| 04:56:23 | George- | someone port e17. |
| 04:56:29 | cdm | George-: I did the stuff on that site I posted. |
| 04:56:34 | George- | oh |
| 04:56:41 | George- | u have an iPaq too? |
| 04:57:17 | cdm | yeah, 5 iPaqs, 1 Z. |
| 04:57:25 | George- | wh00t!!?!? |
| 04:57:43 | DaWorm | hehehe |
| 04:57:52 | cdm | I have a 3100, 2 3600's, 1 3870, 1 3970 and a 5500. |
| 04:57:55 | DaWorm | i might try this one on my old 3650 |
| 04:58:16 | George- | you have a 3970?!?!?!? |
| 04:58:18 | George- | ass! |
| 04:58:26 | cdm | George-: yeah, bought it on Thursday. |
| 04:59:02 | George- | ($%$£%" |
| 04:59:31 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 04:59:41 | whardier | hmm |
| 04:59:42 | whardier | funny |
| 04:59:47 | whardier | I am experiencing a learning curve |
| 04:59:56 | whardier | wile listening to "Dj Rap - The Learning Curve" |
| 04:59:59 | whardier | while |
| 05:00:00 | whardier | heh |
| 05:00:00 | George- | lol |
| 05:00:29 | George- | how the heck does the sharp rom work |
| 05:00:29 | cdm | George-: gotta love corp. expense accounts and having customers demanding support. ;) |
| 05:00:35 | George- | it seems to waste a _lot_ of space |
| 05:00:37 | George- | with Qtopia |
| 05:00:52 | George- | the whole of qtopia is in the ROM at least _twice_ |
| 05:01:36 | bbeattie | well, it's late, night all |
| 05:01:45 | angry | wants a joystick for the Z |
| 05:01:56 | angry | like a REAL joystick |
| 05:01:56 | angry | hehe |
| 05:01:59 | DaWorm | hehehe |
| 05:02:09 | angry | basically just wants to play galaga anytime, anywhere, with a good joystick |
| 05:02:33 | DaWorm | mame? |
| 05:02:45 | angry | yep, but where's my joystick ;) |
| 05:02:50 | George- | oh no |
| 05:02:56 | George- | it's just thousands of ruddy symlinks |
| 05:03:21 | DaWorm | hmmm....i'll probably try out mame for the zaurus |
| 05:03:42 | angry | would buy an SD or CF joystick |
| 05:04:27 | DaWorm | what did you install? qmame or zmame? |
| 05:05:02 | angry | i havent installed either yet |
| 05:05:56 | cdm | angry: bluetooth joystick. |
| 05:06:57 | angry | cdm: does one exist? ;) |
| 05:08:28 | DaWorm | i doubt, but its possible |
| 05:09:40 | cdm | angry: Dunno. Doesn't look like it yet. |
| 05:09:43 | whardier | angry: I can export one to it over the network |
| 05:09:43 | whardier | heh |
| 05:09:48 | whardier | a joystick |
| 05:09:55 | whardier | I was yesterday |
| 05:10:02 | whardier | oh well.. I AM SLEEPYANDSHIT NOW |
| 05:11:58 | KallDrexx | has anyone here made an ipkg? |
| 05:12:22 | angry | theres joystick adapters for the GBA :) |
| 05:13:01 | whardier | angry: heh! why? |
| 05:13:10 | angry | err just clip on things |
| 05:13:15 | angry | that extend the pad |
| 05:13:22 | angry | so it feels more like a joystick i guess |
| 05:13:23 | angry | hehe |
| 05:13:31 | whardier | there is probably a good reason.. but the further away you get from the screen.. the less likely you will be able to see it |
| 05:14:05 | whardier | its sorta like trying to whack off to a business card sized hooker brochure.. |
| 05:14:08 | whardier | if you catch my drift |
| 05:14:10 | angry | lol |
| 05:14:20 | angry | i want to sell my damn GBA |
| 05:14:31 | whardier | anyhoot.. that was innapropriate and I need sleep because of it |
| 05:14:37 | angry | they definitley should have put a backlight in it |
| 05:14:46 | whardier | they don't need to |
| 05:14:47 | angry | and now i can buy another one to get that |
| 05:14:48 | angry | hehe |
| 05:14:49 | whardier | its called the sun! |
| 05:14:50 | cdm | angry: have you seen the Portable Monopoly stuff? |
| 05:15:04 | angry | cdm: nope, but heard a lil of you guys talking about it earlier |
| 05:15:25 | DaWorm | i used to have that monopoly game on a plam |
| 05:15:25 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 05:15:55 | cdm | http://www.tritonlabs.com/Merchant4/merchant.mv? |
| 05:16:55 | DaWorm | wonder how a pair of AA cells would last on that |
| 05:17:14 | cdm | DaWorm: they say it isn't much of an impact. |
| 05:18:03 | cdm | DaWorm: 9 hours of playback or something. |
| 05:18:17 | DaWorm | not bad |
| 05:18:32 | cdm | at full brightness. |
| 05:18:37 | cdm | has a dimmer too to increase things. |
| 05:18:37 | angry | oh portable monopoly is a company |
| 05:18:38 | angry | lol |
| 05:18:39 | DaWorm | i have a gba myself but you need a special kind of screw driver to open it up |
| 05:18:51 | cdm | DaWorm: everything comes in the kit AFAIK. |
| 05:19:43 | DaWorm | oh well it looks nice...but i might just get a modified gba from a hong kong store |
| 05:19:44 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 05:19:44 | George- | NeoTron: ping |
| 05:20:46 | NeoTron | George-: ? |
| 05:20:58 | George- | NeoTron: do you think I could possibly have /root/.home_default.tar? |
| 05:21:21 | George- | please? |
| 05:22:56 | George- | hey kolla |
| 05:23:12 | kolla | morning |
| 05:32:09 | George- | hrmm |
| 05:41:57 | KallDrexx | would anyone be able to help me get my Z to recognzie my feed? |
| 05:43:38 | George- | NeoTron: ping ;) |
| 05:43:48 | George- | NeoTron: does the A300 startup, with Japanese chars? |
| 05:44:53 | DaWorm | terminal startup? |
| 05:45:07 | George- | no |
| 05:45:10 | George- | Qtopia startup |
| 05:45:25 | George- | goes mental |
| 05:45:30 | DaWorm | hrrmmm |
| 05:45:33 | DaWorm | i believe it does |
| 05:45:40 | George- | OK |
| 05:45:45 | George- | where the heck are the font definitions?!?!/ |
| 05:47:57 | George- | uh... the A300 has no Jeode either |
| 05:50:00 | DaWorm | you want an a300 eh? |
| 05:50:25 | Wembly | daworm: wtf is the point of terminal startup? it has no keyboard |
| 05:50:47 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 05:51:02 | George- | DaWorm: no |
| 05:51:05 | George- | DaWorm: I want the ROM :) |
| 05:51:32 | DaWorm | ooohhhhhhh |
| 05:51:41 | DaWorm | i smell something evil lurking |
| 05:51:41 | George- | DaWorm: and I've _got_ the ROM, haha |
| 05:51:43 | DaWorm | hehehe |
| 05:51:51 | DaWorm | ? |
| 05:51:55 | George- | DaWorm: yeh, I'm hacking ROM 1.38 on the 5000D :) |
| 05:52:03 | DaWorm | oh wow |
| 05:53:35 | George- | DaWorm: I want that documents tab ;) |
| 05:55:02 | DaWorm | yeah..hehehe..that documents tab on the a300 is really nice..it has previews right? |
| 05:55:32 | George- | I dunno |
| 05:55:40 | George- | I've got a load of japanese on my screen |
| 05:55:40 | George- | ugh |
| 05:55:46 | George- | and it refuses to calibrate |
| 05:55:49 | George- | cries |
| 05:56:45 | DaWorm | http://zaurus.biojapan.de/sla300en.htm |
| 05:57:13 | George- | The freakin' touch screen won't calibrate |
| 06:00:02 | DaWorm | wish i could help on that one |
| 06:00:52 | George- | I give up |
| 06:01:02 | DaWorm | no! |
| 06:01:24 | George- | Yes! |
| 06:01:32 | George- | it's impossible |
| 06:01:36 | DaWorm | No! think about that documents tab! |
| 06:01:45 | George- | the input layer for the A300 must be different to the one on the SL5x00[d] |
| 06:01:51 | scanline | what's so special about the documents tab? |
| 06:02:04 | Wembly | *sigh* |
| 06:02:05 | George- | scanline: it can distinguish between SD, CF and internal :) |
| 06:02:09 | Wembly | what id give for ida pro :/ |
| 06:02:13 | scanline | ah |
| 06:02:15 | George- | scanline: it's not dumb as shit ;) |
| 06:02:24 | George- | ida? |
| 06:02:25 | Wembly | hunts for another $298 dollars. |
| 06:02:29 | scanline | George-: so copy the launcher app over from the A300 rom |
| 06:02:33 | Wembly | its a disassmebler :) |
| 06:02:37 | Wembly | its very very sweet :) |
| 06:02:48 | cdm | George-: I am sure the guts of the A300 are very different. Does it even have LoCoMo or Scoop inside? |
| 06:03:00 | Wembly | i got myself a illegal copy cus i dont have the money to buy it (its $300) |
| 06:03:08 | George- | scanline: launcher being...? |
| 06:03:17 | scanline | George-: the app that has the documents tab :P |
| 06:03:20 | George- | Wembly: lol |
| 06:03:37 | Wembly | but its like something where your like feeling bad even tho its so damned much that you wanta buy it. |
| 06:03:38 | George- | scanline: yeh, what's the binary name? |
| 06:03:48 | scanline | George-: I dunno, I know little about Qtopia |
| 06:04:02 | George- | scanline: rm -rf picogui |
| 06:04:04 | scanline | George-: I'd bet it has "launcher" in the name though |
| 06:04:10 | cdm | George-: also it will be major league fubar since the A300 has an Xscale and a totally different set of device drivers. |
| 06:04:22 | George- | cdm: lol |
| 06:04:40 | scanline | George-: heh, it's not like I make you use picogui :p |
| 06:06:11 | Wembly | herm. |
| 06:06:21 | cdm | George-: so basically it will never work. |
| 06:06:32 | Wembly | scanline: btw i got a friend useing picogui for a embedded remote control device he is writing :) |
| 06:06:58 | scanline | Wembly: really... I hardly ever hear about it when people use picogui for stuff :) |
| 06:07:08 | Wembly | well atm he's playing with it |
| 06:07:08 | DaWorm | try to fork it out i guess? |
| 06:07:14 | Wembly | its a personal project |
| 06:07:15 | scanline | nods |
| 06:07:30 | George- | scanline: lol |
| 06:07:33 | George- | scanline: I want to use PicoGUI |
| 06:07:34 | Wembly | but it sounded like what he wanted was picogui :) |
| 06:07:39 | George- | cdm: hrmmph =P |
| 06:07:51 | cdm | George-: you might be able to pull off the applications from the ROM. |
| 06:08:00 | DaWorm | yeah |
| 06:08:07 | Wembly | he has what looks to be a cash register touch screen. |
| 06:08:20 | scanline | George-: on the zaurus? |
| 06:08:56 | scanline | George-: right now PicoGUI's practical for special purpose embedded devices, but it still has a ways to go before it's useful for a normal person on a PDA |
| 06:09:15 | George- | scanline: on my psion |
| 06:09:21 | scanline | It shouldn't be too long before it's useful enough that I'd use it mostly fulltime on my zaurus though :) |
| 06:09:26 | scanline | George-: ahh.. what kind of psion? |
| 06:09:30 | Wembly | nods to scanline |
| 06:09:33 | George- | 5, 5mx |
| 06:09:43 | Wembly | anyhow |
| 06:09:54 | Wembly | *sigh* |
| 06:10:04 | KallDrexx | Has anyone here built an IPKG? |
| 06:10:08 | Wembly | forgot what he was gonna do |
| 06:10:37 | scanline | George-: I was just curious.. I don't know hardly anything about the psion :) |
| 06:11:38 | George- | scanline: double negative =P |
| 06:11:45 | Wembly | herm. |
| 06:11:55 | Wembly | i wonder how much i can hack at usbdnet before it hates me |
| 06:12:05 | scanline | George-: I blame english |
| 06:12:10 | George- | scanline: phah |
| 06:12:15 | George- | smacks scanline |
| 06:13:56 | scanline | becomes smacked |
| 06:14:57 | George- | Strange |
| 06:15:05 | George- | the other stuff works when u tap the screen |
| 06:15:09 | George- | only calibration doesn't |
| 06:16:49 | scanline | is Xscale backwards compatible with the SA-1110? |
| 06:19:13 | George- | I dunno |
| 06:19:19 | George- | If it isn't, then intel are on crack |
| 06:20:29 | scanline | heh... |
| 06:20:40 | scanline | If it wasn't for commercial software there'd be no point |
| 06:20:43 | scanline | bah |
| 06:28:37 | cdm | the XScale will run SA binaries. |
| 06:38:36 | Wembly | herm. |
| 06:38:41 | Wembly | wtf does keventd do? |
| 06:56:29 | tweek | is there anything that could go wrong if i change the fstab entry for the root filesystem to rw instead of ro? |
| 06:56:50 | KallDrexx | uh any idea why my app would try to start but wouldn't, and it just keeps the icon with it as clicked? |
| 06:57:23 | KallDrexx | nm |
| 06:59:35 | KallDrexx | is there gdb for hte Z? |
| 07:04:32 | NeoTron | Categories: Linux Software: Entertainment |
| 07:04:32 | NeoTron | Linux Software: ?â?y |
| 07:04:32 | NeoTron | aha |
| 07:04:36 | NeoTron | nice category there |
| 07:05:40 | DaWorm | :) |
| 07:23:25 | Speedy2 | re |
| 07:27:16 | Speedy2 | bon soir |
| 07:27:33 | particule | Bonsoir Speedy2. :o) |
| 07:28:44 | Speedy2 | How are you? |
| 07:33:12 | hagbard3 | is it possible to plug a cardbus card into a 16bit pcmcia socket? |
| 07:33:52 | Speedy2 | NO |
| 07:35:00 | hagbard3 | ok thx |
| 07:35:02 | Speedy2 | Cardbus == 32-bit, PCMCIA like interface. |
| 07:35:05 | Speedy2 | err |
| 07:35:07 | Speedy2 | PCI like interface |
| 07:35:12 | Speedy2 | 16-bit PCMCIA == ISA interface |
| 07:35:34 | hagbard3 | yeah cardbus = pci and PCMCIA = isa |
| 07:35:42 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 07:35:43 | hagbard3 | and the same nonbackward compability |
| 07:35:46 | Speedy2 | If you knew, why'd you ask :) |
| 07:36:08 | hagbard3 | i repeat to pump it into my mind :) |
| 07:36:10 | hagbard3 | sorry |
| 07:36:14 | Speedy2 | hehe :) |
| 07:36:49 | hagbard3 | i was hoping that the nonbackward compability wouldnt apply |
| 07:36:57 | Speedy2 | Yeah...unfortunetly it does |
| 07:37:23 | hagbard3 | I have a wlan card |
| 07:37:31 | Speedy2 | Cardbus? |
| 07:37:34 | hagbard3 | dont know if its cardbus or not |
| 07:37:47 | hagbard3 | can i count the holes? |
| 07:37:51 | Speedy2 | No |
| 07:37:53 | Speedy2 | If it's Cardbus |
| 07:38:00 | Speedy2 | It'll have this gold type bumpy thing on the edge |
| 07:38:03 | tweek | what about the other way - could i plug a PCMCIA card into my Z? |
| 07:38:23 | Speedy2 | tweek: If you had a PCMCIA to CompactFlash adaptor (they exist) |
| 07:38:29 | hagbard3 | it doesnt it has 80 holes though |
| 07:38:35 | tweek | hmm, i might look into getting that |
| 07:38:40 | Speedy2 | uhh |
| 07:39:03 | Speedy2 | tweek: Most of the solutions are not meant for day to day use, they're usually engineering devices. |
| 07:39:11 | tweek | oh, bummer |
| 07:39:12 | hagbard3 | both pcmcia and cardbus uses 80 pin interface? |
| 07:39:12 | Speedy2 | Like they'll stick out 1 foot out of the slot |
| 07:39:23 | Speedy2 | hagbard3: 40 pin |
| 07:39:55 | Speedy2 | hagbard3: They use the same physical interface, but Cardbus will have this bumpy thing on top that should prevent it from going into older PCMCIA slots |
| 07:40:24 | hagbard3 | pcmcia cards goes into cardbus slots? |
| 07:40:31 | NeoTron | RocketElite is out (on Handango). |
| 07:40:37 | Speedy2 | Hi Neotron |
| 07:40:40 | NeoTron | Updating my site will have to wait till tomorrow |
| 07:40:42 | Speedy2 | hagbard3: PCMCIA can go into Cardbus |
| 07:40:55 | hagbard3 | its more than 40 holes though |
| 07:41:01 | NeoTron | too tired to do all the releases: Strategic Assault. Bustem, Bustem JP, RocketElite, PurpleBlaster - all released today |
| 07:41:01 | tweek | what is rocketelite? |
| 07:41:06 | hagbard3 | not 80 i was wrong... |
| 07:41:22 | hagbard3 | will pcmcia work in cardbus? |
| 07:41:27 | NeoTron | tweek: http://www.rocketelite.com/ |
| 07:41:35 | Speedy2 | hagbard3: PCMCIA will work in Cardbus, correct |
| 07:41:59 | KallDrexx | um how come after I execute dev-x86-qpe it's trying to compile my ap with arm-linux-g++ |
| 07:42:00 | KallDrexx | ? |
| 07:42:10 | Wembly | why shouldnt it? |
| 07:42:17 | Wembly | err wait |
| 07:42:17 | hagbard3 | ISA will not work in PCI som the analogy would not apply 100 % then ..thats great news :) |
| 07:42:19 | Wembly | hehe nm |
| 07:42:22 | KallDrexx | cause my computers not an Arm processor =P |
| 07:42:26 | Wembly | what is the contents of dev-x86-qpe? |
| 07:42:34 | DaWorm | weeee |
| 07:42:40 | NeoTron | it's not live at Handango yet tho |
| 07:42:41 | Wembly | mainly what is the variable CC |
| 07:43:01 | Speedy2 | hagbard3: Well, the Cardbus PCMCIA chipsets are backwards compatible. They will accept Cardbus or PCMCIA whereas PCMCIA cannot accept Cardbus. |
| 07:43:08 | Wembly | err hold on |
| 07:43:20 | KallDrexx | oh wait a second |
| 07:43:38 | Wembly | did you source the file or just ./ the file? |
| 07:43:53 | KallDrexx | never mind |
| 07:43:53 | Wembly | and to top it all off |
| 07:43:59 | KallDrexx | I forgot to retmake it :) |
| 07:44:02 | Wembly | hehe |
| 07:44:03 | Wembly | yea |
| 07:44:05 | KallDrexx | hehe |
| 07:44:12 | Wembly | i was gonna say the compiler isnt even speified in the file |
| 07:44:41 | hagbard3 | speedy2: i think we have sorted this out 100 % now :) |
| 07:44:58 | Speedy2 | hagbard3: I hope you're clear now. :) |
| 07:45:27 | hagbard3 | yes if not i download the spec on www.cardbus.org :) |
| 07:45:55 | KallDrexx | wait... can I use string.h on the Z? |
| 07:45:56 | hagbard3 | www.pcmcia.org that is |
| 07:46:07 | Speedy2 | hagbard3: I don't think the Cardbus spec is free. PCMCIA certainly isn't. But you can cheat. CompactFlash == PCMCIA, so if you get the CompactFlash spec, you can figure out PCMCIA. |
| 07:46:16 | Speedy2 | (CF spec is free) |
| 07:47:12 | hagbard3 | i love CF |
| 07:47:23 | hagbard3 | maybe i already have that |
| 07:47:24 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 07:47:37 | hagbard3 | its 68 pin not 40 pin though |
| 07:47:44 | Speedy2 | CF is 50 pin |
| 07:47:51 | Speedy2 | And you're right, PCMCIA is 68 pin, sorry |
| 07:49:47 | hagbard3 | does all PCMCIA drivers for linux work out of the box on an IPAQ PCMCIA jacket? |
| 07:49:53 | Speedy2 | hahah |
| 07:49:58 | Speedy2 | Nothing Linux works out of the box |
| 07:50:09 | hagbard3 | hehe |
| 07:50:14 | Wembly | pcmcia jacket? |
| 07:50:18 | Wembly | wtf is a pcmcia jacket? |
| 07:50:24 | Wembly | ooohh |
| 07:50:27 | kolla | kergoth: you there? |
| 07:50:35 | KallDrexx | arg stupid program |
| 07:50:37 | hagbard3 | PCMCIA sleeve |
| 07:50:50 | Wembly | the extra ipaq backpacktype thing? |
| 07:50:57 | Wembly | that makes it even thicker then it is to begin with? |
| 07:51:13 | hagbard3 | yes |
| 07:51:15 | hagbard3 | true |
| 07:51:34 | Wembly | dislikes the ipaq... its too darn thick. |
| 07:52:35 | hagbard3 | you have to have deep pockets |
| 07:52:43 | KallDrexx | wtf |
| 07:53:46 | KallDrexx | this has to be the wierdest thing i've EVER seen |
| 07:53:49 | hagbard3 | if only the other devices would be more friendly to opensource then maybe something else than ipaq will do |
| 07:57:54 | NeoTron | there my website is updated but no news posted |
| 07:57:56 | NeoTron | THAT I will do tomorrow |
| 07:58:04 | Speedy2 | Gonna check out Neo? |
| 07:59:02 | NeoTron | if you mean go to bed, then yes |
| 07:59:11 | Speedy2 | Ok...goodnight |
| 07:59:13 | NeoTron | I was going to go to bed "early" today but now it's 2am again |
| 07:59:30 | Speedy2 | Go beat up on your Furby |
| 07:59:30 | Wembly | nini |
| 07:59:30 | Speedy2 | (to release some anger) |
| 07:59:31 | Wembly | hahaha |
| 07:59:35 | NeoTron | has no anger. :) |
| 07:59:47 | NeoTron | and I should get a source release (and website release) of zFurby soon |
| 07:59:58 | KallDrexx | kicks his computer |
| 08:00:30 | DaWorm | say like 2 days from now? |
| 08:00:31 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 08:00:45 | KallDrexx | zfurby? |
| 08:00:53 | KallDrexx | groans =P |
| 08:01:01 | DaWorm | yeah killer app |
| 08:03:43 | hagbard3 | where can i download an ARM assembly manual? compatible with the SA 206 mhz one? |
| 08:03:51 | Speedy2 | umm |
| 08:03:52 | Speedy2 | Well |
| 08:04:02 | Speedy2 | The SA-1110 processor impelements ARM v4 ISA |
| 08:04:12 | Speedy2 | So does the ARM7 (and variants) from ARM |
| 08:04:17 | Wembly | would like a good book on it truthfully. |
| 08:04:22 | Speedy2 | You can get info on the ARM7, most of which will apply at www.arm.com |
| 08:04:34 | hagbard3 | great news |
| 08:04:57 | Wembly | what does the xscale use? |
| 08:05:48 | Speedy2 | Well |
| 08:05:55 | Speedy2 | The StrongARM doesn't "use" an ARM7 |
| 08:06:04 | Speedy2 | It implements the ARM v4 Instruction Set Architecture |
| 08:06:14 | Speedy2 | The XScale does ARM v5 and also ARM v4. |
| 08:06:23 | hagbard3 | something called ADS assembly guide to dl at arm.com |
| 08:06:31 | Wembly | ADS? |
| 08:06:42 | Speedy2 | ADS is their compiler suite |
| 08:06:52 | hagbard3 | http://www.arm.com/arm/User_Guides?OpenDocument |
| 08:08:41 | hagbard3 | VFP vector floating point instructions? |
| 08:08:47 | Wembly | hehe |
| 08:08:48 | Wembly | funfun |
| 08:08:52 | hagbard3 | http://www.arm.com/support/574FKU/$File/ADS_AssemblerGuide_B.pdf |
| 08:09:33 | KallDrexx | ARG why can't i ftp to my z now |
| 08:09:35 | hagbard3 | hmm it doesnt conatin the opcode maps |
| 08:10:28 | hagbard3 | sandpile.org should start supporting ARM i think |
| 08:14:09 | KallDrexx | hmm well at least this error happened AFTER i got my zuarus :-/ |
| 08:16:28 | KallDrexx | anyone knwo where I can find some good free Z games? |
| 08:26:36 | burtonator | is there any way to prevent OPIE from updating the 'document' tab when I doc a CF or SD? |
| 08:50:54 | Speedy2 | gcc-- |
| 08:50:55 | Speedy2 | gcc-- |
| 08:50:56 | Speedy2 | gcc-- |
| 08:51:08 | Speedy2 | karma gcc |
| 08:51:17 | Wembly | karma gcc? |
| 09:06:05 | KallDrexx | where do I get the Z SDL libraries? |
| 09:52:19 | wazlaf | hi |
| 09:52:34 | wazlaf | has anyone opened his zaurus here? |
| 09:52:44 | wazlaf | the SD mechanism seems to be stuck on mine |
| 09:53:02 | wazlaf | and i am having some trouble getting to that mechanism |
| 09:53:35 | wazlaf | i removed all visible screws on the outside and inside the battery compartment |
| 09:53:46 | wazlaf | but it is somehow still not opening |
| 09:54:06 | wazlaf | I don't want to use force .. |
| 09:56:12 | Wembly | gawd |
| 09:56:31 | Wembly | at times i even impress myself... on how blaently obvious things are to find yet arnt.. |
| 09:57:18 | wazlaf | does anyone know? please? ;-) |
| 09:57:23 | wazlaf | have i missed some battery? |
| 09:57:25 | wazlaf | ah |
| 09:57:27 | wazlaf | screw? |
| 09:57:31 | Wembly | wazlaf: herm? |
| 09:58:00 | Wembly | wazlaf: im sorry i missed your problem |
| 09:58:19 | Wembly | now isnt exactly the best time to go asking for help as you can tell.. everyones dead or not fully functioning. |
| 09:58:28 | wazlaf | hehe |
| 09:58:32 | wazlaf | Wembly: i am having some trouble opening my zaurus |
| 09:58:55 | wazlaf | Wembly: have you done that before? |
| 09:59:02 | Wembly | nope |
| 09:59:04 | Wembly | cant say i have |
| 09:59:06 | wazlaf | k |
| 09:59:10 | Wembly | tho im looking forward to it hehe |
| 09:59:14 | wazlaf | hehe |
| 10:01:22 | Wembly | where does it seem to be sticking? |
| 10:01:35 | wazlaf | at the very top and the very bottom |
| 10:01:51 | Wembly | and you got the screws on the edges right? |
| 10:01:54 | wazlaf | yes |
| 10:01:55 | Wembly | includeing the top and bottom? |
| 10:02:00 | Wembly | did you remove the keyboard cover yet? |
| 10:02:00 | wazlaf | yes |
| 10:02:03 | wazlaf | nope |
| 10:02:05 | wazlaf | don't know how |
| 10:02:17 | Wembly | the screws? |
| 10:02:18 | wazlaf | i removed the screws at the sides |
| 10:02:22 | wazlaf | which seem to hold it there |
| 10:02:35 | wazlaf | but i still can't remove it |
| 10:02:36 | Wembly | what about under neth? |
| 10:02:37 | Wembly | err |
| 10:02:39 | Wembly | underneth? |
| 10:02:46 | Wembly | flip it upside down there are 3 black screws |
| 10:02:52 | Wembly | on the underside of the keyboard cover |
| 10:02:55 | wazlaf | yes I removed all of those |
| 10:03:01 | wazlaf | and there are more inside the battery compartment |
| 10:03:04 | wazlaf | removed those too |
| 10:03:13 | wazlaf | this is real weird |
| 10:03:22 | Wembly | the 4 screws on the side should seperate the keyboard cover from the rails. |
| 10:04:06 | wazlaf | hmm |
| 10:04:18 | KallDrexx | why is it that 90% of the time I cna't use the zaurus' keypad (home button, those buttons on the front panel) when I have hte keybaord out? |
| 10:04:47 | wazlaf | you have to have the moving part at the very bottom |
| 10:04:56 | wazlaf | so that it is connected to the Z. |
| 10:04:57 | kolla | wants to have his CF slot working again |
| 10:05:06 | Wembly | herm. |
| 10:05:10 | wazlaf | KallDrexx: it is connected at the very top and the very bottom |
| 10:05:17 | | rumour has it faq is at http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/ or at http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/handhelds-faq.html or at http://adorphuye.com/zaurus/java/faq.jsp or http://www.travellingkiwi.com/zarus/faq/faq.html |
| 10:05:17 | Wembly | ibot faq |
| 10:05:30 | KallDrexx | wazlaf: so I don't have it extended enough if it's not working? |
| 10:05:37 | wazlaf | KallDrexx: exactly |
| 10:05:44 | KallDrexx | ahh htaht clears a lot up thanks |
| 10:05:46 | wazlaf | alright, i will try again removing that thing again |
| 10:05:49 | wazlaf | afk |
| 10:05:52 | KallDrexx | now prboom is easier to play :) |
| 10:09:18 | Wembly | herm |
| 10:09:20 | Wembly | urg |
| 10:09:36 | Wembly | the disassmebled sl-5000d photos url isnt working :/ |
| 10:15:10 | KallDrexx | hey rjp |
| 10:15:30 | Wembly | herm. |
| 10:15:39 | Wembly | the disassembled zaurus images seem to of vanished off the net :/ |
| 10:16:24 | burtonator | qtopia desktop isn't freaking OSS? |
| 10:16:39 | kolla | OSS? |
| 10:17:06 | KallDrexx | hey Cloudchaser |
| 10:18:00 | Wembly | open source software |
| 10:18:52 | burtonator | it is BS that it isn't open! |
| 10:18:55 | burtonator | Time to protest baby! |
| 10:23:06 | burtonator | maybe I can find a GPL violation and force open the source! |
| 10:24:45 | KallDrexx | hey g |
| 10:24:47 | KallDrexx | hey George- |
| 10:24:49 | George- | hey K |
| 10:24:51 | George- | ;) |
| 10:24:53 | KallDrexx | hehe |
| 10:25:31 | burtonator | well... their 'innovative synchronization algorithm' |
| 10:25:39 | burtonator | looks to just be rsync... |
| 10:25:52 | burtonator | so maybe I will just reverse engineer it and port it to evolution. |
| 10:25:57 | burtonator | DMCA violation baby! |
| 10:28:49 | seth | Hi. question: how can I start opie when I'm in text mode? |
| 10:29:29 | scanline | burtonator: time to switch to gpe so you don't have to deal with partially-free software :) |
| 10:29:52 | KallDrexx | what exactly is opie/qpe? |
| 10:31:46 | Wembly | ok i give up |
| 10:31:49 | Wembly | kelldrexx: herm? |
| 10:31:56 | Wembly | qpe/opie is the gui |
| 10:32:00 | Wembly | err |
| 10:32:07 | Wembly | its like the window manager type thing. |
| 10:33:25 | Wembly | wazlaf: dunno what to tell ya i cant find it anymore :/ |
| 10:34:28 | KallDrexx | is qpe/opie the gui that comes with Z? |
| 10:34:29 | George- | Wembly: no it's not ;) |
| 10:34:53 | Wembly | george: no its not? |
| 10:34:59 | Wembly | kelldrexx: yes |
| 10:35:00 | George- | Wembly: that's just like saying that KDE/Gnome is a window manager |
| 10:35:07 | Wembly | *shrug* |
| 10:35:13 | KallDrexx | George-: isnt' it? |
| 10:35:16 | Wembly | im grasping for some shared meaning :P |
| 10:35:22 | George- | KallDrexx: no |
| 10:35:39 | KallDrexx | thought kde WAS a window manager, since it says during start up, "starting window manager" |
| 10:35:44 | Wembly | no kde/gnome is a set of apps api and other such things.. |
| 10:35:57 | KallDrexx | shrugs |
| 10:35:57 | Wembly | kde consists of a webbroswer file manager etc. |
| 10:36:14 | George- | KallDrexx: no, KDE uses KWin as it's window manager |
| 10:36:21 | KallDrexx | oh |
| 10:36:34 | Wembly | qtopia/qpe/opie are basicly what kde is to X :) |
| 10:36:47 | KallDrexx | :) |
| 10:36:59 | George- | Wembly: If I was being really annoying today, I'd say you were wrong ;) |
| 10:37:08 | KallDrexx | lol |
| 10:37:12 | Wembly | george: bah |
| 10:37:26 | Wembly | basicly |
| 10:37:34 | Wembly | qtopia/qpe/opie == graphical gui you use |
| 10:37:43 | Wembly | minus the other apps you install. |
| 10:38:01 | George- | *ahem* |
| 10:38:07 | George- | shuts up |
| 10:38:07 | Wembly | george: what? |
| 10:38:12 | Wembly | you got a better explation? |
| 10:38:22 | Wembly | or are you just going to complain about me actually trying to explain it? |
| 10:38:36 | George- | Wembly: I'm only kidding ;) |
| 10:38:51 | George- | That's it, I'm converting to debian |
| 10:38:54 | George- | On my laptop |
| 10:38:57 | George- | Gentoo fscking sucks |
| 10:39:21 | Wembly | good luck |
| 10:40:45 | George- | Wembly: thx :) |
| 10:41:12 | George- | I'm having an argument with a Gentoo developer as to why I'm converting |
| 10:41:28 | George- | lol |
| 10:42:21 | Wembly | haha |
| 10:42:25 | Wembly | and what argument is that? |
| 10:42:29 | George- | Wembly: "portage rulz" |
| 10:42:32 | George- | "apt-get 0wnz" |
| 10:42:36 | Wembly | wha? |
| 10:42:46 | imm | hi |
| 10:42:47 | George- | Wembly: that's an extract from the argument ;) |
| 10:42:53 | George- | imm: BLAH |
| 10:42:56 | Wembly | herm. |
| 10:43:05 | Wembly | well debian sucks for new junk like kde3.x and such |
| 10:43:08 | George- | OK, I'm off, forever tomorrow |
| 10:43:14 | George- | Wembly: that doesn't matter for me |
| 10:43:15 | Wembly | forever? |
| 10:43:18 | George- | Wembly: I use CVS HEAD :) |
| 10:43:23 | George- | Wembly: well, for 3 weeks anyway :) |
| 10:43:34 | Wembly | is confused |
| 10:43:45 | George- | Going to school. |
| 10:43:47 | George- | ;) |
| 10:43:48 | Wembly | what pisses me off about debian. is that they take forever on adding packages |
| 10:43:54 | George- | Debian sid? |
| 10:43:57 | Wembly | yes |
| 10:44:02 | George- | hrmm |
| 10:44:03 | Wembly | kde3.x still isnt in debian sid. |
| 10:44:06 | George- | LOL |
| 10:44:11 | George- | rofl |
| 10:44:14 | imm | George-: blah ? |
| 10:44:18 | George- | imm: yeh |
| 10:44:33 | Wembly | and its purely political as to why it isnt. |
| 10:44:34 | imm | George-: any news on the zaurus shipping front ? |
| 10:44:47 | George- | imm: haven't a clue |
| 10:45:15 | | sniper was last seen on #zaurus 3 days, 21 hours, 26 minutes and 26 seconds ago, saying: fusion: the integration will be the major issue [Thu Aug 29 14:18:49 2002] |
| 10:45:15 | imm | ibot seen sniper |
| 10:47:18 | imm | hopes that the shipping wont be the major issue |
| 10:47:39 | George- | hates 99% of Gentoo devs |
| 10:48:02 | burtonator | what is gpe? |
| 10:48:06 | kolla | because? |
| 10:48:18 | kolla | burtonator: qpe? |
| 10:48:33 | imm | George-: they should put kde under /opt |
| 10:48:43 | burtonator | http://gpe.handhelds.org/ |
| 10:48:45 | burtonator | this huh... |
| 10:49:11 | George- | GNU Palmtop Environment |
| 10:49:14 | kolla | oh-.. gtk palmtop environment? |
| 10:49:16 | George- | it's like.. and embedded GNOME :) |
| 10:49:21 | George- | s/and/an/ |
| 10:49:30 | burtonator | god... X + GTK would suck1 |
| 10:49:39 | burtonator | er suck! what is wrong with framebuffer! |
| 10:49:40 | kolla | /opt is something new and icky |
| 10:49:45 | kolla | I like how gentoo does it |
| 10:50:27 | George- | I'd put kde under /usr/local |
| 10:50:52 | scanline | burtonator: Qt isn't exactly small and fast either |
| 10:51:04 | kolla | George-: but what if it isnt local? :) |
| 10:51:11 | George- | kolla: uhm |
| 10:51:18 | George- | kolla: show me a situation when it isn't local |
| 10:51:19 | burtonator | scanline: ok... but X is the big beast! |
| 10:51:31 | George- | kolla: and in that case, I'd shove it in /usr |
| 10:51:35 | kolla | George-: if you run it from a sentral fileserver |
| 10:51:48 | George- | burtonator: X runs faster on my Psion 5mx than Qte/Opie does on my 5mx |
| 10:51:48 | scanline | burtonator: TinyX is pretty small.. I dunno the exact sizes of TinyX+gtk and Qt, but it's pretty similar |
| 10:51:49 | burtonator | would like to convert his laptop to 100% framebuffer ;) |
| 10:51:56 | kolla | George-: and that's where gentoo has it |
| 10:52:19 | George- | kolla: yeh, but they have a stupid arrangement with /usr/kde/3 :) |
| 10:52:39 | kolla | why is that stupid? |
| 10:53:11 | kolla | or rather, why is that more stupid than the rest of this unix filetree crap? :) |
| 10:53:36 | George- | haha |
| 10:53:51 | scanline | burtonator: client-server isn't bad, just that X's implementation is slow |
| 10:54:17 | scanline | burtonator: there's so much FUD and just plain wrong information surrounding X these days |
| 10:55:18 | scanline | X has evolved to a pretty spiffy implementation of the classic overlapping windows and expose events paradigm |
| 10:56:01 | scanline | then there's new ideas, like the compositing window buffers that Aqua uses, or server-side scene graphs like Fresco and PicoGUI |
| 10:56:27 | George- | scanline: rm -rf PicoGUI && rm -rf Fresco |
| 10:56:28 | George- | scanline: haha |
| 10:56:31 | George- | ducks |
| 10:56:41 | scanline | though it's too bad the Xlib API wasn't written more like OpenGL.. xlib is amazingly overengineered |
| 10:56:49 | kolla | spiffy my ass :) |
| 10:56:49 | scanline | George-: rm -rf q* |
| 10:57:00 | George- | scanline: don't worry, I'm about to do rm -rf / |
| 10:57:06 | scanline | George-: hehe |
| 10:57:48 | scanline | It would be nice if X was faster, could do compositing, had better fonts.... |
| 10:58:24 | George- | Personally, I hate X |
| 10:58:33 | scanline | why? |
| 10:58:33 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 10:58:55 | TheMasterMind1 | George- winxp fan? |
| 10:58:59 | George- | slow, bloated, old tech... |
| 10:59:05 | George- | TheMasterMind1: actually, I'm a macos x fan |
| 10:59:10 | scanline | George-: raster displays are old.. your point? |
| 10:59:19 | scanline | George-: OS X is *way* more slow and bloated than X |
| 10:59:24 | George- | Yes, but it's too slow ;) |
| 10:59:29 | George- | That's my only complaint |
| 10:59:37 | scanline | X needs a big rendering backend overhaul |
| 10:59:57 | George- | I thought it had a complete rewrite at version 4? |
| 11:00:16 | scanline | heh, maybe it needs another :) |
| 11:00:26 | kolla | OSX, Xserve, X+server, X windows, windows? :) |
| 11:00:48 | George- | kolla: Windows CEMENT |
| 11:00:56 | scanline | kolla: X wins the award for "Most abused letter in the alphabet" every year these days |
| 11:00:58 | kolla | :) |
| 11:01:15 | wazlaf | re |
| 11:01:39 | George- | yo wazzy |
| 11:01:41 | wazlaf | yay i managed to take my zaurus apart, put it back to normal and I have no screws left :)) |
| 11:01:50 | George- | heh |
| 11:01:51 | scanline | hehe |
| 11:01:52 | kolla | :) |
| 11:01:52 | George- | I lost a screw |
| 11:01:53 | George- | :( |
| 11:02:03 | George- | but *psst* don't tell Sharp |
| 11:02:07 | wazlaf | hehe |
| 11:02:09 | wazlaf | why? |
| 11:02:14 | wazlaf | warranty? ;) |
| 11:02:22 | George- | well, it has no warranty... |
| 11:02:32 | scanline | any particular reason to open the Z, or just for fun? |
| 11:02:45 | wazlaf | the SD pop-out mechanism was broke |
| 11:02:45 | George- | scanline: to install the screen protector |
| 11:02:50 | wazlaf | nope |
| 11:02:51 | scanline | ah |
| 11:02:52 | George- | wazlaf: wh00t?!!?!!??! |
| 11:03:08 | wazlaf | dunno, i bought a SD today and it didn't work |
| 11:03:13 | wazlaf | so i just took the mechanism out :) |
| 11:03:21 | George- | rofl |
| 11:03:40 | wazlaf | so it doesn't do that fancy push-in pop-out thing |
| 11:03:45 | wazlaf | i now need to push/pull it |
| 11:03:49 | wazlaf | but that works for me |
| 11:03:53 | George- | lol |
| 11:03:59 | wazlaf | gg |
| 11:04:07 | TheMasterMind1 | wazlaf does it still lock in? |
| 11:04:22 | wazlaf | nope that was the problem with the mechanism |
| 11:04:33 | wazlaf | it didn't lock in from the beginning |
| 11:04:46 | wazlaf | it just popped out and didn't stay inside |
| 11:05:17 | wazlaf | George-: do you need to take it apart again to install the protector?? |
| 11:05:40 | George- | wazlaf: I do |
| 11:05:43 | George- | wazlaf: cos I'm stupid :) |
| 11:06:21 | wazlaf | George-: lol why would you take it apart? you don't need to open it in order to get access to the screen |
| 11:06:43 | George- | wazlaf: The screenprotector is bigger than the screen |
| 11:06:45 | TheMasterMind1 | i need a screen protector |
| 11:06:48 | George- | wazlaf: it tucks under the sides |
| 11:07:01 | wazlaf | i see |
| 11:07:05 | George- | wazlaf: and I tried once without taking it apart, and busted the 1st protector |
| 11:07:10 | wazlaf | hehe |
| 11:07:14 | wazlaf | sounds like good protectors |
| 11:07:15 | George- | wazlaf: And I only had 4, so I took it apart |
| 11:07:59 | George- | Hrmm, I must be bored |
| 11:08:04 | George- | I'm searching the internet for anti-linux sites |
| 11:08:16 | TheMasterMind1 | mslinux.org |
| 11:09:16 | | George-: huh? |
| 11:09:16 | George- | ibot kill me |
| 11:09:22 | George- | WHAT?!?!?!?!?!?!?! |
| 11:09:28 | | George-: i'm not following you... |
| 11:09:28 | George- | ibot kill George- |
| 11:09:29 | wazlaf | www.linuxsucks.com |
| 11:09:31 | George- | grmbl |
| 11:09:32 | George- | :(((( |
| 11:09:54 | | ACTION kills all the morons |
| 11:09:54 | KallDrexx | ibot kill |
| 11:09:56 | | OK, scanline. |
| 11:09:56 | scanline | ibot: kill George- is <action> Suffocates George- to death with a stack of picogui t-shirts |
| 11:10:09 | | George-: I forgot kill george- |
| 11:10:09 | George- | ibot forget kill George- |
| 11:10:19 | | OK, George-. |
| 11:10:19 | George- | ibot kill George- is <action> rm -rf's PicoGUI |
| 11:10:25 | | ACTION rm -rf's PicoGUI |
| 11:10:25 | George- | ibot kill me |
| 11:10:27 | scanline | hehe |
| 11:10:44 | | OK, scanline. |
| 11:10:44 | scanline | ibot: kill picogui is <action> suffocates George- to death with a stack of picogui t-shirts |
| 11:11:03 | kolla | I need to bring my CF slot back "online", any tip? |
| 11:11:17 | George- | kolla: rm -rf $QPEDIR |
| 11:11:21 | kolla | guess not, got to be more specific |
| 11:11:29 | kolla | George-: right :) |
| 11:11:37 | kolla | but this isnt related to opie |
| 11:11:37 | | ACTION suffocates George- to death with a stack of picogui t-shirts |
| 11:11:37 | KallDrexx | ibot kill picogui |
| 11:11:39 | scanline | if that doesn't work, rm -rf /etc |
| 11:11:45 | George- | scanline: lol |
| 11:12:07 | George- | or rm -rf $PICO_GUI'S_CRAP_STUPID_BUTT_UGLY_MAIN_DIR |
| 11:12:21 | George- | ;-) |
| 11:12:22 | scanline | picogui doesn't have a main dir :p |
| 11:12:26 | George- | damn |
| 11:12:33 | scanline | you could try: |
| 11:12:39 | scanline | ln -s /dev/null /dev/pgserver.conf |
| 11:12:40 | George- | find -iname pg_server | rm -rf |
| 11:12:47 | kolla | George-: what's wrong with picogui then? |
| 11:12:48 | George- | er.. |
| 11:12:51 | scanline | no underscore in pgserver :p |
| 11:13:10 | George- | rm -rf `find -iname pgserver` |
| 11:13:13 | George- | I think |
| 11:13:15 | George- | I dunno |
| 11:13:19 | George- | I'm no command prompt expert |
| 11:13:21 | scanline | yeah, that should work |
| 11:13:21 | George- | I only know rm -rf |
| 11:13:28 | George- | *g* |
| 11:13:29 | scanline | ha |
| 11:13:34 | George- | rm -rf scanline |
| 11:13:37 | scanline | ow |
| 11:13:42 | scanline | rematerializes inside /tmp |
| 11:14:21 | George- | rm -rf /tmp |
| 11:14:28 | scanline | haha, too late! |
| 11:14:30 | George- | chmod a-wrx /tmp |
| 11:14:31 | scanline | I'm in /lib now! |
| 11:14:35 | George- | chmod a-wrx /* |
| 11:14:47 | scanline | makes that noise that Pac Man makes when you die |
| 11:14:52 | George- | yay |
| 11:14:58 | George- | eats scanline |
| 11:15:07 | scanline | there's nothing left! |
| 11:15:14 | George- | lol |
| 11:15:14 | scanline | No juice leftover scanline bits for you! |
| 11:15:26 | George- | your mouth opened to 360 degrees then? |
| 11:15:29 | George- | and you ate yerself? :) |
| 11:15:45 | scanline | I suppose.. whatever that is that pac man does when he disintegrates |
| 11:15:50 | George- | :) |
| 11:15:50 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth |
| 11:15:53 | George- | Yeh, that's what he does |
| 11:16:00 | George- | TheMasterMind1: kergoth is the NeoPacMac |
| 11:16:02 | George- | er.. |
| 11:16:03 | George- | PacMan |
| 11:16:43 | scanline | kergoth was here before me though... so maybe he's already disintegrated |
| 11:16:55 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth i have this weird problem where after a suspend the network card doesn't come back up (lights not blinking anymore) and when i eject and reinsert (light starts flashing again) doing stuff like ifconfig iwconfig etc just hangs |
| 11:17:06 | scanline | must have been all the tech support ghosts following him while he rummages for long island ice tea dots |
| 11:17:17 | KallDrexx | lol |
| 11:17:17 | George- | LOL |
| 11:17:45 | scanline | Sugar: make me a venti caramel frappuchino with 4 shots of espresso |
| 11:17:45 | Sugar | pours some venti caramel frappuchino with 4 shots of espresso from a machine into a cup, adds a cookie and hands it to scanline. |
| 11:17:57 | scanline | hrm |
| 11:17:59 | scanline | cookie? |
| 11:18:01 | scanline | COOKIE! |
| 11:19:11 | KallDrexx | lol |
| 11:19:12 | scanline | reads some about microsoft's DRM plans |
| 11:19:28 | KallDrexx | drm? |
| 11:19:37 | scanline | if they're going to encrypt all the decompressed audio data, that will make it rather hard to write your own visualization or audio processing plugins... |
| 11:19:50 | scanline | that would suck having to get a microsoft signature to run a visualization plugin! |
| 11:19:54 | scanline | http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/WM7/DRM/FAQ.asp#Security4 |
| 11:20:03 | wazlaf | DRM is such bullshit |
| 11:20:07 | scanline | Yay for reasons I'm glad I don't use windows |
| 11:20:13 | wazlaf | :) |
| 11:20:16 | KallDrexx | most of what microsoft does is bullshit |
| 11:20:19 | wazlaf | true |
| 11:20:20 | KallDrexx | like pallidium or whatever it's called |
| 11:20:40 | wazlaf | but it might really get horrible if trusted computer start getting sold |
| 11:20:45 | scanline | I just hope microsoft doesn't infiltrate standard hardware with forced DRM... and if they do, that there will be alternatives |
| 11:20:50 | wazlaf | or if any of this stuff gets integrated into processors |
| 11:21:09 | scanline | wazlaf: that would give some big motivation to open hardware projects |
| 11:21:17 | wazlaf | oh yes :) |
| 11:21:20 | Wembly | scanline: ahh read up on WM9 |
| 11:21:40 | Wembly | scanline: imho i believe microsoft has no interest in putting drm anywhere. |
| 11:21:44 | scanline | has no idea how he went from looking for X server protocol docs to reading about DRM :) |
| 11:21:47 | Wembly | but they are doing it to keep sony and others happy |
| 11:21:55 | scanline | ah |
| 11:22:15 | Wembly | basicly they dont wanta have fingers pointed at them for not doing drm |
| 11:22:25 | scanline | man I'm hungry for a frappuchino or some curry... maybe I'll make some regular coffee |
| 11:22:26 | scanline | brb |
| 11:22:27 | Wembly | and then the mpaa/riaa/whatever holding back tech. |
| 11:22:31 | Wembly | and truthfuly |
| 11:22:43 | Wembly | mp3 should play without drm signed visalizations |
| 11:22:48 | wazlaf | btw: riaa finally found out that they were hacked ;) |
| 11:22:57 | Wembly | only drm content will need drm signed components. |
| 11:22:59 | George- | well, surely only Intel would include DRM crap in CPUs? |
| 11:23:04 | Wembly | wazlaf: hahaha |
| 11:23:04 | George- | AMD wouldn't would they? |
| 11:23:14 | Wembly | well 1st: |
| 11:23:15 | wazlaf | you never know |
| 11:23:27 | Wembly | for wmp9 to send drm content to a device. |
| 11:23:35 | Wembly | the device must have a unique serial # |
| 11:23:50 | Wembly | basicly the whole thing will resolve aorund unique serial #'s |
| 11:24:18 | wazlaf | to me trusted computing is when I'll go into the basement and get my good old 286 with a hercules mono card :) |
| 11:24:36 | Wembly | *shrug* |
| 11:24:46 | wazlaf | darn, linux only works on >386 |
| 11:24:50 | | George-: what? |
| 11:24:50 | George- | ibot eat me |
| 11:24:59 | scanline | hehe |
| 11:25:00 | Wembly | i a: think that no matter what they will do if its serious enough then there will be a cat/mouse game with it kinda like copy protection in games is now |
| 11:25:04 | Wembly | with the mouse always winning. |
| 11:25:19 | Wembly | aka the people defeating the copy protection. |
| 11:25:29 | Wembly | *refuses to ever call copy protection copyright protection* |
| 11:25:45 | Wembly | because it does not do anything for copyrights. |
| 11:25:52 | Wembly | it just prevents copying :) |
| 11:25:56 | Wembly | anyhow |
| 11:26:18 | Wembly | recently i heard steve jobs talk about copy protection and it being more a behavioral problem then a technical one. |
| 11:26:23 | Wembly | and id have to agree |
| 11:26:39 | Wembly | the change should be from behavior not technical. |
| 11:26:48 | Wembly | so... |
| 11:26:53 | Wembly | if you dont like drm and stuff |
| 11:26:54 | Wembly | go with mac |
| 11:27:04 | Wembly | atleast they have the right mindset |
| 11:27:20 | George- | Mac? |
| 11:27:48 | Wembly | apple.. mac? |
| 11:27:55 | Wembly | you know that company that makes those ifruitys? |
| 11:28:26 | scanline | mmm.. this should lower the blood level in my caffeine stream nicely |
| 11:28:28 | George- | I know.. I have one... |
| 11:28:29 | Wembly | is half tempted to write a device service provider for the zaurus |
| 11:28:50 | Wembly | tho id need to figure out exactly wtf is going on in on the proper ports |
| 11:28:54 | scanline | I like running linux on mac hardware |
| 11:29:42 | George- | scanline: don't run Gentoo |
| 11:29:47 | George- | scanline: it's evil |
| 11:29:47 | George- | scanline: it's crap |
| 11:29:50 | scanline | George-: :P |
| 11:29:50 | George- | (on PowerPC) |
| 11:30:01 | scanline | I am running gentoo on PPC, and it's great |
| 11:30:18 | George- | scanline: madman |
| 11:30:24 | George- | scanline: it sucks |
| 11:30:28 | scanline | and I'm using XFS too :P |
| 11:30:48 | scanline | you use Debian? |
| 11:31:00 | George- | actually |
| 11:31:03 | George- | I'm running Gentoo atm |
| 11:31:05 | George- | and it sucks |
| 11:31:07 | George- | cos it don't work |
| 11:31:07 | scanline | haha |
| 11:31:13 | scanline | can't get X to work? |
| 11:31:28 | George- | X is working |
| 11:31:32 | George- | KDE isn't |
| 11:31:35 | George- | and X is screwing the fb |
| 11:31:36 | George- | and everything is b0rked |
| 11:31:40 | scanline | heh |
| 11:31:45 | scanline | I haven't had any trouble with X |
| 11:31:49 | scanline | haven't tried KDE though |
| 11:31:52 | George- | I HATE IT! |
| 11:32:20 | George- | what machine? |
| 11:32:22 | wazlaf | is running genotoo |
| 11:32:26 | scanline | 500mHz iBook |
| 11:32:28 | wazlaf | and he likes it :) |
| 11:32:41 | George- | bah |
| 11:32:47 | George- | All you gentoo beatniks :) |
| 11:32:57 | scanline | hey, I use both debian and gentoo |
| 11:33:04 | scanline | debian on my x86 desktop and server, gentoo on my ibook |
| 11:33:21 | George- | I run SuSE on my x86 boxen |
| 11:33:26 | wazlaf | i use gentoo on my desktop and debian potato on my server |
| 11:33:33 | George- | *cough* Gentoo *cough* on my TiBook |
| 11:33:35 | scanline | The motherboard on my desktop is b0rken.. so I ordered a new one, multiprocessor this time :) |
| 11:33:59 | George- | hrmm |
| 11:34:05 | George- | whatchu doing with ur old CPU? :) |
| 11:34:15 | scanline | using it in my multiprocessor system |
| 11:34:40 | scanline | you can modify the jumpers on an athlon XP to make it work in a dual processor system |
| 11:35:18 | George- | ugh ;) |
| 11:35:22 | George- | I want it! |
| 11:35:22 | George- | :) |
| 11:35:23 | scanline | so I get an $80 Athlon XP 2000+ and use my existing one with it, instead of getting two new Athlon MP 2000+ for like $300 |
| 11:35:43 | George- | OS X is more useful than *cough* Gentoo *cough* |
| 11:35:51 | scanline | dualie motherboards are too expensive though.. like $200 :( |
| 11:36:09 | scanline | George-: not to me.. I do mostly development and command line stuff, and OS X sucks for that |
| 11:36:09 | George- | I saw a kit once |
| 11:36:24 | George- | 999 USD for 2xXP 2100+, 1GB DDR ram incl mobo and fans |
| 11:36:56 | scanline | cost me about $350 for motherboard, one CPU and two new fans (my current one is so loud I can't stand it) |
| 11:37:05 | scanline | I'd like to get a full GB of ram, but didn't want to spend that much yet |
| 11:37:21 | scanline | since if I upgrade my RAM, I'll probably get some that can handle a 266mHz FSB |
| 11:37:23 | George- | I'm stuck on 512MB :) |
| 11:37:24 | ljp | solid state hard drive |
| 11:37:31 | scanline | yep :) |
| 11:37:39 | ljp | a few gigs for $10,000 |
| 11:37:48 | wazlaf | last year i bought 2 western digital hard drives for my server |
| 11:38:03 | wazlaf | and both of them died in 4 months or so |
| 11:38:13 | George- | wow |
| 11:38:20 | George- | I got a 80GB Maxtor |
| 11:38:22 | wazlaf | i hate western digital |
| 11:38:25 | George- | it's still going strong ;) |
| 11:38:32 | wazlaf | never going to buy that again ... |
| 11:38:39 | scanline | I could get 1GB of DDR433 memory for $300... |
| 11:38:43 | wazlaf | well, at least i did backups :) |
| 11:38:44 | mark | c ya |
| 11:38:47 | scanline | geez, this memory has a heat sink! |
| 11:39:02 | George- | I could get 1GB of PC133 SDRAM for my TiBook for $600 |
| 11:39:03 | George- | *g* |
| 11:39:09 | scanline | hahaha |
| 11:39:15 | scanline | PC133... |
| 11:39:37 | scanline | doesn't the tibook use normal SO-DIMMs? |
| 11:39:41 | George- | grmbl |
| 11:39:47 | George- | yes |
| 11:40:24 | scanline | I thought those were cheaper... |
| 11:41:24 | scanline | hrm |
| 11:41:40 | scanline | $150 for 512MB, but I can't even find 1GB SO-DIMMs |
| 11:41:46 | George- | no |
| 11:41:54 | George- | you need 2x 512mb |
| 11:41:57 | scanline | ah |
| 11:42:03 | scanline | so $300, not $600 |
| 11:42:09 | wazlaf | is having a swapfile on CF a bad idea? (because of the limited write cycles) |
| 11:42:25 | scanline | funny that relatively slow laptop memory is similarly priced to the highest speed desktop memory |
| 11:42:30 | scanline | wazlaf: yes, it's very bad |
| 11:42:46 | wazlaf | scanline: so i am stuck with the built-in memory? |
| 11:43:01 | scanline | wazlaf: 64MB is enough for anyone :) |
| 11:43:14 | wazlaf | scanline: SL5000D :( |
| 11:43:21 | scanline | wazlaf: 32MB is enough for anyone :) |
| 11:43:35 | wazlaf | scanline: nope ;) |
| 11:43:40 | scanline | On my 5000D, I only had memory problems while running Qt :) |
| 11:43:58 | scanline | kill qt, and there's plenty of memory left for ssh, X, apt-get... |
| 11:44:10 | George- | wazlaf: yes, swap on CF is a stupid idea :) |
| 11:45:04 | George- | wazlaf: and what's more.. the 5000D uses old memory modules that don't come in higher densities than they are in the 5000D ;) |
| 11:45:11 | George- | wazlaf: so you can't upgrade the mem |
| 11:45:34 | Wembly | omg |
| 11:45:40 | George- | But I mean, I never have trouble on my PowerBook with 512MB, so what's your prob? :P |
| 11:45:44 | Wembly | my mom is watching a paid tv ad. |
| 11:45:46 | Wembly | for some stupid drug |
| 11:45:50 | Wembly | and just bought some. |
| 11:45:51 | Wembly | omg save me |
| 11:45:57 | George- | LMAO |
| 11:46:02 | scanline | Wembly: quick, generate a power surge to the phone line! |
| 11:46:08 | Wembly | haha |
| 11:46:10 | Wembly | yea no kidding |
| 11:46:14 | George- | Wembly: you live with ur parents? :) |
| 11:46:17 | Wembly | *sigh* |
| 11:46:18 | Wembly | yes |
| 11:46:24 | George- | so do I =D |
| 11:46:38 | | George-: sorry... |
| 11:46:38 | George- | ibot eat me |
| 11:46:43 | matt02_rc | I just got out |
| 11:46:49 | | scanline: excuse me? |
| 11:46:49 | scanline | ibot: eat ibot |
| 11:47:14 | | OK, scanline. |
| 11:47:14 | scanline | ibot: eat ibot is <action> emulates Pac-Man after a close encounter of the 3rd kind |
| 11:47:17 | | OK, George-. |
| 11:47:17 | George- | ibot eat George- is <action> chomps George-'s head off, then gurgles around, and runs to the toilet |
| 11:47:20 | | ACTION chomps George-'s head off, then gurgles around, and runs to the toilet |
| 11:47:20 | George- | ibot eat me |
| 11:47:26 | | ACTION emulates Pac-Man after a close encounter of the 3rd kind |
| 11:47:26 | scanline | ibot eat ibot |
| 11:47:32 | | ACTION chomps George-'s head off, then gurgles around, and runs to the toilet |
| 11:47:32 | George- | ibot eat me |
| 11:47:32 | | ACTION chomps George-'s head off, then gurgles around, and runs to the toilet |
| 11:47:32 | George- | ibot eat me |
| 11:47:33 | | ACTION chomps George-'s head off, then gurgles around, and runs to the toilet |
| 11:47:33 | George- | ibot eat me |
| 11:47:34 | George- | :) |
| 11:47:43 | | George-: excuse me? |
| 11:47:43 | George- | ibot needs to fatten up a bit |
| 11:47:46 | matt02_rc | Has anyone played devimg on the zaurus and building QPE apps? |
| 11:47:51 | | scanline: i'm not following you... |
| 11:47:51 | scanline | ibot: eat mor chickin |
| 11:47:56 | | OK, George-. |
| 11:47:56 | George- | ibot needs to fatten up a bit is <reply> Yes, I do!!!! |
| 11:47:59 | | Yes, I do!!!! |
| 11:47:59 | George- | ibot needs to fatten up a bit |
| 11:48:02 | George- | ;) |
| 11:48:18 | | ...but needs to fatten up a bit is <reply> Yes, I do!!!!... |
| 11:48:18 | George- | ibot needs to fatten up a bit is <reply> Yes, I do!!!! *chomps $nick* |
| 11:48:24 | | ...but needs to fatten up a bit is <reply> Yes, I do!!!!... |
| 11:48:24 | George- | ibot needs to fatten up a bit is <reply> Yes, I do!!!! * chomps $nick * |
| 11:48:28 | George- | forget needs to fatten up a bit |
| 11:48:31 | | ...but needs to fatten up a bit is <reply> Yes, I do!!!!... |
| 11:48:31 | George- | ibot needs to fatten up a bit is <reply> Yes, I do!!!! * chomps $nick * |
| 11:48:34 | | George-: I forgot needs to fatten up a bit |
| 11:48:34 | George- | ibot forget needs to fatten up a bit |
| 11:48:36 | | OK, George-. |
| 11:48:36 | George- | ibot needs to fatten up a bit is <reply> Yes, I do!!!! * chomps $nick * |
| 11:48:39 | George- | yay |
| 11:48:40 | George- | lol |
| 11:48:45 | | Yes, I do!!!! * chomps $nick * |
| 11:48:45 | George- | ibot needs to fatten up a bit |
| 11:48:49 | George- | ugh |
| 11:48:51 | George- | stupid bot |
| 11:49:16 | wazlaf | cya |
| 11:49:18 | matt02_rc | Has anyone played devimg on the zaurus and building QPE apps? |
| 11:49:36 | George- | bye wazlaf |
| 11:49:38 | scanline | strangely hears an echo from matt02_rc's corner of the room :p |
| 11:49:53 | | ACTION rm -rf's PicoGUI |
| 11:49:53 | George- | ibot kill me |
| 11:49:55 | George- | ;) |
| 11:49:59 | scanline | haha |
| 11:50:11 | George- | you can tell i'm bored =P |
| 11:50:35 | George- | grmbl |
| 11:50:39 | George- | when the hell is my Z arriving ;( |
| 11:50:58 | doughecka | is there an emaltor for the zaurus? |
| 11:51:12 | scanline | so many 5000D's out there after this contest, maybe somebody will fix it so Qt runs in less memory =) |
| 11:51:15 | George- | no |
| 11:51:20 | doughecka | no... |
| 11:51:25 | George- | scanline: it's a kernel problem |
| 11:51:27 | scanline | doughecka: no real emulator, though you can simulate the GUI |
| 11:51:34 | George- | scanline: 2.4.6 had memory allocation probs |
| 11:51:36 | George- | (apparently |
| 11:51:41 | scanline | George-: how is Qt using 11MB a kernel problem? :) |
| 11:51:50 | doughecka | ooh, ok |
| 11:51:53 | George- | scanline: not that :) |
| 11:52:02 | George- | scanline: but on my 5mx, Opie took 7MB |
| 11:52:16 | George- | (with kernel 2.4.18) |
| 11:52:23 | scanline | how much does the 5mx have total? |
| 11:52:26 | George- | 15 |
| 11:52:27 | George- | 16 |
| 11:52:28 | George- | MB |
| 11:52:32 | scanline | k |
| 11:52:49 | George- | ya see, the 5mx -000wwwnnnzzz j00 |
| 11:53:48 | scanline | George-: I've heard of several people using picogui on the psions, but I've never actually seen one :) |
| 11:54:17 | George- | scanline: seen a psion? |
| 11:54:27 | scanline | http://fraggle.alkali.org/stuffage/revol/sshot.shtml |
| 11:54:28 | scanline | right |
| 11:54:36 | scanline | I've seen pictures, but not in person |
| 11:55:19 | George- | ahh.. fraggle ;) |
| 11:55:23 | George- | sdh ;) |
| 11:55:29 | scanline | you know fraggle and/or Tader? |
| 11:55:31 | George- | Simon Howard =) |
| 11:55:36 | George- | yeh, I know both |
| 11:55:47 | scanline | fraggle hangs out in #picogui a lot |
| 11:55:51 | George- | I know |
| 11:55:55 | scanline | Tader used to, and still pops in occasionally |
| 11:55:58 | George- | He used to hang out in #PsiLinux |
| 11:56:06 | George- | but #PsiLinux.. er.. died ;) |
| 11:56:07 | scanline | used to? hehe |
| 11:56:13 | scanline | doh, that sucks |
| 11:56:14 | George- | yeh, it's my chan ;) |
| 11:56:19 | George- | As is #Zaurus-user |
| 11:56:20 | George- | lol |
| 11:56:34 | scanline | sounds kinda like #linuxdc... |
| 11:56:42 | scanline | pops in to see how full it is |
| 11:56:56 | scanline | holy shit in heaven! |
| 11:56:59 | scanline | 8 people in #linuxdc! |
| 11:57:02 | scanline | usually there's only like 3 |
| 11:57:06 | George- | lol |
| 11:57:11 | George- | I have ibot in #psiLinux ;) |
| 11:57:13 | George- | cos I r0x0r |
| 11:57:46 | scanline | methinks George- left the wrong channel.. |
| 11:57:50 | George- | whoops |
| 11:57:53 | scanline | George-: mistake? |
| 11:57:53 | scanline | hehe |
| 11:57:57 | George- | yah |
| 11:58:11 | George- | notes that GNOME have an entire IRC network to themselves |
| 11:58:25 | scanline | http://screenshots.tader.net/ <-- spiffy |
| 11:58:35 | George- | scanline: I know ;) |
| 11:58:49 | George- | http://etux.sf.net <-- Dead |
| 11:59:04 | scanline | I tried sending a zaurus screenshot to it a while back: http://screenshots.tader.net/image.php?image=20020225003537-128.138.2.228.png&page=9 |
| 11:59:23 | George- | oh yeh |
| 11:59:27 | George- | And it messed up :) |
| 11:59:43 | scanline | yip |
| 12:00:04 | George- | I remember that |
| 12:00:06 | George- | it was funny |
| 12:00:20 | George- | check out etux :) |
| 12:00:25 | George- | channel #etux (dead) |
| 12:00:41 | scanline | completely dead! |
| 12:00:56 | George- | yup |
| 12:01:00 | scanline | that's one of those things that suck about the current state of embedded linux... |
| 12:01:03 | George- | All my channels are dead |
| 12:01:11 | scanline | lots of little distros targeted at one piece of hardware |
| 12:01:18 | George- | http://screenshots.tader.net/image.php?image=20020429192355-149.225.103.112_1.png&page=5 |
| 12:01:23 | scanline | emdebian has potential to fix that... |
| 12:01:27 | George- | scanline: I know, it's fun :) |
| 12:01:33 | George- | scanline: etux was a POS |
| 12:01:46 | scanline | I haven't tried emdebian yet |
| 12:01:49 | scanline | prolly should... |
| 12:01:56 | George- | emdebian isn't a distro |
| 12:01:58 | George- | is it? |
| 12:02:07 | scanline | I know, it's a tool for building distros |
| 12:02:22 | George- | hah |
| 12:02:24 | scanline | but still, it's a pretty big leap from what's there now |
| 12:02:25 | George- | I know morethan u +P |
| 12:02:44 | scanline | probably, since I've never used emdebian :p |
| 12:02:48 | Harlekin | hi |
| 12:02:51 | George- | hey Harlekin |
| 12:02:55 | scanline | Build systems and I don't get along usually... |
| 12:02:58 | George- | http://screenshots.tader.net/image.php?image=20020504192545-152.78.71.185_2.png&page=4 |
| 12:04:08 | George- | afk |
| 12:04:24 | George|NOTHERE | I'M NOT HERE |
| 12:04:24 | George|NOTHERE | ;) |
| 12:04:28 | George|NOTHERE | ok, cya |
| 12:04:42 | scanline | George|NOTHERE: what'd you say, I could hear you, you aren't there... |
| 12:04:47 | scanline | err, couldn't hear you |
| 12:04:54 | scanline | bah |
| 12:07:12 | George|NOTHERE | wtf?s |
| 12:07:19 | George|NOTHERE | :Þ |
| 12:07:25 | George|NOTHERE | You thought that I had gone |
| 12:07:27 | George|NOTHERE | mwahahahaha |
| 12:07:34 | George|NOTHERE | tortures scanline |
| 12:07:54 | Harlekin | kergoth: awake yet? |
| 12:08:07 | scanline | notes that he's being about as serious as George|NOTHERE is :) |
| 12:08:16 | George|NOTHERE | scanline: lol |
| 12:08:46 | George|NOTHERE | abuses the letter X |
| 12:09:24 | | George|NOTHERE: excuse me? |
| 12:09:24 | George|NOTHERE | ibot kill me |
| 12:09:28 | George|NOTHERE | omg |
| 12:09:35 | George|NOTHERE | scanline: what have you done? =P |
| 12:10:17 | scanline | senses a great disturbance in the schwartz |
| 12:10:36 | | George|NOTHERE: sorry... |
| 12:10:36 | George|NOTHERE | ibot kill me |
| 12:10:43 | | George|NOTHERE: i'm not following you... |
| 12:10:43 | George|NOTHERE | ibot kill me |
| 12:10:56 | | George|NOTHERE: i'm not following you... |
| 12:10:56 | George|NOTHERE | ibot kill me |
| 12:11:02 | | George|NOTHERE: sorry... |
| 12:11:02 | George|NOTHERE | ibot kill me |
| 12:11:06 | George|NOTHERE | YOU ASS!! |
| 12:11:09 | George|NOTHERE | oh wait |
| 12:11:10 | George|NOTHERE | I know.. |
| 12:11:12 | George|NOTHERE | *heheh* |
| 12:11:16 | | ACTION rm -rf's PicoGUI |
| 12:11:16 | George- | ibot kill me |
| 12:11:20 | George- | lol |
| 12:12:04 | George- | Right |
| 12:12:11 | George- | I need a full development kit for my Zaurus |
| 12:12:18 | George- | I need to be able to write Qt apps on it ;) |
| 12:12:57 | Harlekin | kergoth: once you wake up, problem with konq found, patch coming, and a need to rebuild konq/e, or take the one from ipaq feed |
| 12:13:00 | ljp | heh why? |
| 12:13:17 | George- | ljp: cos.. er. |
| 12:13:21 | ljp | wonders about people wanting to use gcc on the Z |
| 12:13:22 | George- | ljp: I'm a script kiddie |
| 12:13:59 | ljp | ohhh. for bragging rights.. not to actually get anything really accomplished |
| 12:14:08 | George- | LOL |
| 12:14:28 | George- | I can write a hello world app... |
| 12:14:29 | scanline | George-: install python instead, so you won't have to wait for things to compile |
| 12:14:42 | George- | scanline: bah |
| 12:14:47 | George- | scanline: I wanna write my HTML Editor |
| 12:17:13 | scanline | aren't the Qt headers bigger than the Zaurus' memory? :) |
| 12:18:29 | George- | scanline: I have a 160MB CF card =P |
| 12:18:34 | George- | And a 128MB SD |
| 12:18:44 | scanline | still not big enough! |
| 12:18:49 | George- | shut up :) |
| 12:18:53 | kolla | I have a 512MB |
| 12:18:54 | scanline | hehehe |
| 12:20:38 | ljp | not too mention all the extra headers you will/might need |
| 12:20:51 | scanline | it will be really slow |
| 12:20:53 | George- | ugh |
| 12:20:57 | George- | Stop bitching :) |
| 12:20:59 | George- | brb |
| 12:21:03 | scanline | g++ is slow enough on an Athlon... |
| 12:21:08 | ljp | hehe |
| 12:21:46 | Wembly | hehe |
| 12:22:12 | George- | Die |
| 12:22:16 | George- | DIE! :) |
| 12:24:27 | TheMasterMind1 | Harlekin what's the problem with konq/e? |
| 12:25:07 | particule | scanline: g++ is especially slow on an athlon? |
| 12:25:07 | scanline | bah.. font problem, brb |
| 12:26:27 | scanline | much better |
| 12:27:51 | | ACTION rm -rf's PicoGUI |
| 12:27:51 | George- | ibot kill me |
| 12:27:55 | particule | scanline: g++ is especially slow on an athlon? |
| 12:28:13 | scanline | particule: g++ is slow on any CPU, compared to gcc |
| 12:28:51 | Nermal_Work | TheMasterMind1: |
| 12:28:51 | Nermal_Work | <sandman> Nermal_Work: Groucho has uploaded a new qt-embedded and a new konq/e a few minutes ago |
| 12:29:21 | particule | C++ is "a bit" more complicated... And powerful... :o) |
| 12:29:28 | particule | Anyway, no troll intended. :o) |
| 12:35:13 | Wembly | c++ is also a bit slower |
| 12:35:26 | scanline | c++ is a little slower than C, but generally uses a lot more memory |
| 12:35:51 | George- | g++ is a damn slow compiler ;) |
| 12:35:55 | Wembly | scanline: preachin to the converted :) |
| 12:36:04 | scanline | :) |
| 12:36:10 | Wembly | herm.. |
| 12:36:25 | ljp | nonsence |
| 12:36:30 | Wembly | ponders attempting to write an asm demo for the zaurus.. |
| 12:36:48 | scanline | it'd be awesome to do a 3D engine in ARM assembly |
| 12:36:58 | particule | Wembly: slower when you do not take care... |
| 12:37:00 | Wembly | yes it would. |
| 12:37:25 | Wembly | particule: c++ can easily be slower. |
| 12:37:31 | scanline | we already know that the Z is plenty fast enough for ray casting (doom works fine) and with some optimization it should be able to do 6DOF graphics, maybe even an OpenGL interface |
| 12:37:45 | Wembly | particule: not to say you cant write the exact same thing running equally as slow in c :) |
| 12:37:54 | scanline | 'course I'd prolly start by optimizing snes9x for ARM =) |
| 12:38:06 | Wembly | hehehe |
| 12:38:15 | Wembly | snes9x would have to be ported away from x tho no? |
| 12:38:16 | George- | scanline: zsnes! |
| 12:38:25 | George- | scanline: port zsnes's asm to ARM asm :) |
| 12:38:38 | Wembly | im right now trying to understand qt's stuffs |
| 12:38:52 | scanline | Wembly: right.. it'd need a better build system (currently cross-compiling sucks), support for some more graphics APIs like SDL, Qt, PicoGUI..., and ARM optimization |
| 12:39:23 | Wembly | scanline snes9x? |
| 12:39:33 | scanline | Wembly: yes |
| 12:39:36 | Wembly | scanline: herm. |
| 12:39:40 | Wembly | truthfully |
| 12:39:47 | Wembly | you run into a problem with snes.... |
| 12:39:51 | Wembly | mainly the lack of buttons. |
| 12:39:57 | scanline | the stock snes9x from Debian already runs almost fast enough |
| 12:40:25 | scanline | Wembly: depends on the game.. you could make the button mapping easy, so that you could put the most frequently used buttons in convenient places and have a full controller onscreen |
| 12:40:41 | scanline | Wembly: stuff that's not time-critical, like RPGs, would be great |
| 12:41:00 | scanline | wants to play FF3 on his Zaurus at full speed |
| 12:41:01 | Wembly | true |
| 12:41:09 | Wembly | sound would kill it tho |
| 12:41:16 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: bug in qt |
| 12:41:52 | scanline | Wembly: I'd probably use it with sound off usually, since I wouldn't feel like hooking up headphones just to get game sound. Though games with awesome soundtracks like FF3 might be different |
| 12:42:26 | George- | scanline: you're sick! :) |
| 12:42:32 | particule | Wembly: yes it can easily be. But I did some finite element computation in C++ and believe me, when you use adequate features, you do not trade on performances |
| 12:42:32 | George- | scanline: FF3 on a Z indeed... |
| 12:42:38 | George- | scanline: why not e17? :) |
| 12:42:43 | ljp | anyone tried xmms-qtopia? |
| 12:42:45 | scanline | George-: I have screenshots of me playing Super Mario World on a Z :P |
| 12:42:47 | George- | ljp: yes |
| 12:42:50 | George- | ljp: it didn't work |
| 12:42:55 | scanline | George-: if you set up Intimate, there's a .deb for snes9x |
| 12:43:03 | George- | hahaha |
| 12:43:08 | George- | ur still sick :) |
| 12:43:14 | Wembly | someone should ipkg snes9x :) |
| 12:43:20 | George- | Wembly: there is an ipk... |
| 12:43:23 | Wembly | oh |
| 12:43:25 | Wembly | heheh |
| 12:43:26 | Wembly | oops :) |
| 12:43:27 | scanline | it's just not quite full speed right now, requires X, and has sick button mapping |
| 12:43:29 | George- | =P |
| 12:43:36 | George- | kicks scanline |
| 12:43:39 | | George-: i'm not following you... |
| 12:43:39 | George- | ibot kill me |
| 12:43:40 | Wembly | ack |
| 12:43:41 | ljp | that had to be alot of work to port a gtk/X11 app to qt/e |
| 12:43:41 | Wembly | that sucks. |
| 12:43:43 | George- | ugh |
| 12:43:44 | Wembly | anyhow. |
| 12:43:46 | particule | scanline: do you use gnuboy? |
| 12:43:49 | Wembly | thsi is just insane. |
| 12:43:58 | scanline | ljp: snes9x is designed to be portable across GUIs |
| 12:44:02 | scanline | particule: nyet |
| 12:44:05 | Wembly | needs to get a clue on howto even begin to touch qtopia dev. stuffs |
| 12:44:17 | scanline | Wembly: with a very long pole |
| 12:44:18 | particule | which one do you use then? |
| 12:44:24 | ljp | xmms-qtopia uses sne9x? |
| 12:44:36 | Wembly | what processor does gameboy advance use? |
| 12:44:39 | scanline | particule: I haven't played much gameboy lately, so none of the above |
| 12:44:45 | scanline | ljp: xmms? |
| 12:44:53 | ljp | xmms-qtopia |
| 12:44:55 | scanline | Wembly: ARM7TDMI, I think |
| 12:44:57 | ljp | zsi |
| 12:46:36 | Wembly | scanline: wtf is tdmi? |
| 12:46:50 | Wembly | and itd seem rather easy to emulate the gameboy advanced then... |
| 12:47:05 | scanline | Wembly: smaller ARM processor with no MMU |
| 12:47:17 | George- | hrmm |
| 12:47:23 | George- | the GBA's CPU is 18MHz, right? |
| 12:47:26 | scanline | Wembly: it's likely you could do a VM for it |
| 12:47:29 | George- | my psion 5mx could handle that :) |
| 12:47:38 | George- | 5mx == 36MHz ARM710T |
| 12:47:59 | Wembly | scanline: just do the whole vmware thing on it ;) |
| 12:48:11 | scanline | George-: the GBA has some graphics/sound acceleration chips your psion probably does not :) |
| 12:48:19 | George- | scanline: bah |
| 12:48:22 | George- | scanline: dammit! :) |
| 12:48:27 | Wembly | doh forgot about those hehe |
| 12:48:41 | George- | CAn you get a CF Card acceleration chip? : |
| 12:48:42 | George- | :) |
| 12:50:02 | George- | afk |
| 12:58:40 | mickeyl | NeoTron: ping |
| 13:04:08 | tux_mike | whee! i've never seen such high load averages |
| 13:04:37 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin |
| 13:04:48 | tux_mike | yes, it is morning :) |
| 13:05:03 | Cloudchaser | such high load averages in what? |
| 13:05:07 | tux_mike | i built all the components of KDE that i could concurently |
| 13:05:16 | scanline | holy cow |
| 13:05:20 | Cloudchaser | ah |
| 13:05:57 | tux_mike | 22 peak load average |
| 13:06:10 | tux_mike | 16 average load average :) |
| 13:10:19 | tux_mike | i ran out of space though |
| 13:10:25 | tux_mike | so i had to restart most of them |
| 13:16:56 | George- | back |
| 13:17:11 | George- | If anyone says "oh no" I'll kill him/her ;) |
| 13:20:57 | ljp | oh no |
| 13:21:04 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 13:21:15 | George- | kills ljp |
| 13:23:13 | ljp | missed me |
| 13:23:41 | George- | ugh, this isn't Pokemon!!!! |
| 13:24:13 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 13:24:22 | TheMasterMind1 | how do you doubleclick and leftclick in keypebble? |
| 13:25:03 | George- | TheMasterMind1: with difficulty |
| 13:25:09 | scanline | rolls a d20 for initiative |
| 13:25:33 | George- | sets scanline's refresh rate to 0.01Hz |
| 13:25:47 | scanline | mmm disco |
| 13:26:03 | George- | lol |
| 13:26:11 | scanline | I'm on a LCD :P |
| 13:26:14 | TheMasterMind1 | bah! i need to right click |
| 13:26:18 | George- | eats scanline |
| 13:26:26 | George- | TheMasterMind1: RTFM! |
| 13:26:29 | George- | ducks |
| 13:27:58 | TheMasterMind1 | where is the fm |
| 13:28:33 | George- | on the radio |
| 13:28:36 | Harlekin | Cloudchaser: konq works again |
| 13:29:00 | TheMasterMind1 | is it updated in the feed Harlekin ? |
| 13:30:22 | TheMasterMind1 | silly treke |
| 13:30:25 | TheMasterMind1 | treke you there? |
| 13:30:33 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: in ipaq |
| 13:30:38 | Harlekin | feed |
| 13:30:39 | Harlekin | yes |
| 13:30:41 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 13:31:31 | Harlekin | so for z when kergoth appears |
| 13:31:46 | scanline | This channel is so productive without kergoth :) |
| 13:32:04 | TheMasterMind1 | Harlekin does it work on the Z? or does it need to be recompiled? |
| 13:36:48 | fat-away | hey mark |
| 13:36:55 | mark | hi Fatbum |
| 13:37:01 | mark | thanks for that, doesnt work on my Z though still :) |
| 13:37:07 | Fatbum | you get that excel file? |
| 13:37:14 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: you can get the konq form ipaq feed |
| 13:37:15 | Fatbum | oh yea? |
| 13:37:19 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: but also qt need a patch |
| 13:37:24 | Harlekin | both is needed |
| 13:37:29 | mark | Fatbum: yeh, runs fine on Excel on my PC but not on hancom on my z |
| 13:37:48 | Fatbum | you know i figured out i had all kinds of listings in there, that i forgot to erase down in like row 2000 |
| 13:37:55 | Fatbum | so it wasnt a blank template |
| 13:37:57 | TheMasterMind1 | Harlekin can i add the konq from the ipaq feed to the Z feed or does it need to be recompiled |
| 13:38:14 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: both konqs should be okl |
| 13:38:18 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 13:38:20 | Fatbum | i still needa get usb networking to work on oz |
| 13:38:21 | Harlekin | but you need a recompiled qt2.3.3 |
| 13:38:37 | TheMasterMind1 | well i think kergoth updated to 2.3.3 yesterday |
| 13:38:37 | mark | Fatbum: ah i see |
| 13:38:53 | Fatbum | 0,1My Windows XP Professional (5.1 - 2600) Uptime: 18hrs 10mins 51secs |
| 13:38:57 | Fatbum | oooh |
| 13:39:04 | Fatbum | and its already screwed up |
| 13:39:06 | scanline | screams in pain!! |
| 13:39:17 | Fatbum | screams in pain |
| 13:39:20 | scanline | HATES those IRC uptime flashy colorful doodads |
| 13:39:29 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: you need the qte233-for-opie091-statusbar.patch |
| 13:39:34 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: patch applied to qt |
| 13:39:35 | Fatbum | well i wrote that one so lick it |
| 13:39:39 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: just commited it |
| 13:39:42 | George- | Processor: Celeron (Coppermine) 697MHz Bogomips: 1389.36 Memory: 316MB (49MB Free) Swap: 264MB (200MB Free) Kernel: 2.4.10-4GB Uptime: 1 d 17 h 49 m 38 s Load Average: 0.70 0.30 0.17 XFree86 Version: 4.1.0 X resolution: 800x600 |
| 13:39:43 | TheMasterMind1 | Harlekin ok |
| 13:39:50 | George- | ;) |
| 13:39:50 | Wintre | scanline: Even better are the things that tell you what MP3 somebody's listening to |
| 13:39:51 | scanline | Fatbum: why bother? |
| 13:39:59 | scanline | Wintre: heh.. |
| 13:40:01 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: youre working on OZ too? |
| 13:40:04 | Fatbum | i was learning C |
| 13:40:24 | Fatbum | needs ro restart the suck machine |
| 13:40:27 | scanline | Fatbum: there are more fun ways to learn C |
| 13:40:35 | scanline | feh |
| 13:40:39 | TheMasterMind1 | Harlekin yep |
| 13:40:50 | Wembly | wtf is on port 4992 on the zaurus? |
| 13:40:54 | TheMasterMind1 | Harlekin have been for a few days now |
| 13:41:18 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: so you can rebuild qt too |
| 13:41:18 | Harlekin | k |
| 13:41:30 | Harlekin | make sure that _all_ qte233 patches are applied |
| 13:41:40 | Harlekin | there is also a new one for toolbar popup handling |
| 13:42:45 | Wembly | 'transferserver.cpp' or somesuch |
| 13:43:10 | ljp | someone at Lineo 'don't' have the best English skills |
| 13:43:32 | TheMasterMind1 | Harlekin well, i don't have qt or opie dev environment setup yet. i was waiting for kergoth to change method so i can make an mk for them |
| 13:43:34 | George- | ljp: lol |
| 13:43:44 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 13:43:50 | TheMasterMind1 | treke your php is lacking |
| 13:43:59 | TheMasterMind1 | s/php/php skills |
| 13:44:04 | TheMasterMind1 | are lacking |
| 13:44:14 | ljp | "Your system don't have the needed tools to complete the installation" |
| 13:44:20 | George- | ljp: LOL |
| 13:44:38 | Fatbum | my gawd! |
| 13:44:42 | Fatbum | whats up with this bs |
| 13:45:07 | Harlekin | bbl |
| 13:45:38 | TheMasterMind1 | because bitchx is a bitch |
| 13:45:38 | scanline | oops |
| 13:46:01 | TheMasterMind1 | can furbies really be controlled via IR? |
| 13:46:09 | Fatbum | yes TheMasterMind1 |
| 13:46:20 | TheMasterMind1 | do you need lirc and stuff to do it? |
| 13:46:21 | Wembly | bah |
| 13:46:22 | TheMasterMind1 | on the Z |
| 13:46:33 | George- | scanline: good enough answer? |
| 13:46:39 | scanline | I guess... |
| 13:46:41 | Wembly | harl left :/ |
| 13:46:53 | Wembly | themastermind: what have you been upto in oz? |
| 13:46:58 | Fatbum | dont know never done it, but i know it uses ir |
| 13:47:14 | TheMasterMind1 | . development? |
| 13:47:21 | TheMasterMind1 | or in the channel |
| 13:47:51 | TheMasterMind1 | anyone want to look at treke's passwd file? |
| 13:47:53 | Cloudchaser | i already got konq working.. |
| 13:47:55 | Wembly | development wise |
| 13:48:03 | Cloudchaser | i just didn't do all the updates |
| 13:48:12 | Cloudchaser | got vnc working too |
| 13:48:48 | TheMasterMind1 | Wembly fixing orinoco modules to do rfmon, libpcap and kismet work with with orinoco cards, updated tinylogin, added udhcpc support to busybox.. |
| 13:48:53 | TheMasterMind1 | i think that's all i've done so far |
| 13:48:59 | TheMasterMind1 | maybe a couple of small updates/fixes |
| 13:49:04 | Wembly | herm. |
| 13:49:17 | Wembly | i need to toss my ifupdown patch for hotplug into cvs. |
| 13:49:29 | TheMasterMind1 | what does it fix? |
| 13:49:32 | Wembly | and then add in udhcp into ifupdown |
| 13:49:35 | TheMasterMind1 | yes! |
| 13:49:36 | TheMasterMind1 | do it |
| 13:49:38 | Wembly | dosnt fix.. |
| 13:49:41 | TheMasterMind1 | dhcpcd is such a pos |
| 13:49:48 | Wembly | it moves the usbd0 net events into ifupdown |
| 13:49:56 | TheMasterMind1 | cool |
| 13:50:02 | TheMasterMind1 | commit it if it works |
| 13:50:14 | TheMasterMind1 | i want udhcpc support in ifupdown |
| 13:50:17 | Wembly | dunno if it works |
| 13:50:26 | Wembly | atm its a hotplug-ifupdown.mk in configs |
| 13:50:30 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm, send it to me i'll test it |
| 13:50:46 | Wembly | i wanta add nameserver tags |
| 13:50:49 | Fatbum | whats the most secure/compliant with z distro |
| 13:51:09 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 13:51:15 | Wembly | so then you can speifiy nameserver entrys |
| 13:51:15 | TheMasterMind1 | i can never remmeber how to commit stuff |
| 13:51:19 | Wembly | hehe |
| 13:51:22 | Wembly | i dunno ether. |
| 13:52:04 | TheMasterMind1 | cvs ci -m "added udhcpc support" configs/busybox.mk |
| 13:52:07 | TheMasterMind1 | there |
| 13:52:47 | Wembly | hehe |
| 13:53:08 | Fatbum | gotta restart again |
| 13:53:10 | Fatbum | blech! |
| 13:54:28 | TheMasterMind1 | bah |
| 13:54:39 | Wembly | herm. |
| 13:55:06 | Wembly | i might need to add a patch to my package to make it nice with /etc/hotplug/usbdnet.conf |
| 13:55:11 | W|GGL|T | is away: I'm busy or asleep |
| 13:55:14 | Wembly | but its kinda hard since its not marked as a config file :/ |
| 13:55:14 | W|GGL|T | is back (gone 00:00:03) |
| 13:56:18 | Wembly | btw |
| 13:56:23 | Wembly | busybox generates with ipv6 support |
| 13:56:25 | Wembly | netstat complains |
| 13:56:38 | Wembly | ether fix the kernel with ipv6 or fix busybox |
| 13:57:45 | TheMasterMind1 | okey doke |
| 13:57:48 | TheMasterMind1 | commited all my changes |
| 13:57:56 | BigBoss | anyone miss me? |
| 13:58:05 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin! |
| 13:58:09 | TheMasterMind1 | BigBoss someone was asking where you were |
| 13:58:12 | TheMasterMind1 | forget who.. |
| 13:58:16 | Cloudchaser | how was your vacation? |
| 13:58:30 | Wembly | *sigh* |
| 13:58:44 | Wembly | im really beginning to annoy myself. |
| 13:58:49 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 13:58:49 | Nermal_Work | lol |
| 13:59:40 | TheMasterMind1 | Wembly disable ipv6 in busybox or enable it in the kernel? |
| 14:00:05 | TheMasterMind1 | CONFIG_IPV6=y |
| 14:00:09 | TheMasterMind1 | its enabled in kernel |
| 14:00:10 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 14:00:21 | imm | BigBoss: when do you release your new games ? |
| 14:00:23 | BigBoss | vacation was nice |
| 14:00:30 | Wembly | then why is it my luck netstat is throwing fits :/ |
| 14:00:31 | BigBoss | but it's been about 105 degrees here lately |
| 14:00:31 | BigBoss | sucks |
| 14:00:39 | Cloudchaser | its sbeen cold and rainy here |
| 14:00:40 | Fatbum | any1 know what might be wrong with my *gulp* windows xp besides it is made by microsofotad? |
| 14:00:43 | BigBoss | imm: I'm trying to release one today if I can get it packaged |
| 14:00:47 | BigBoss | another one later this week |
| 14:00:53 | Cloudchaser | ooh which one? |
| 14:01:02 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin ljp! |
| 14:01:06 | ljp | hi |
| 14:01:11 | Fatbum | gRR |
| 14:01:19 | George- | wb ljp |
| 14:01:25 | Cloudchaser | hehe i watched all my movie last night but it was only half of it |
| 14:01:36 | Cloudchaser | was watchable but not great, a little jerky |
| 14:01:43 | ljp | hmmmm |
| 14:01:45 | TheMasterMind1 | Wembly how does suspend and stuff work. when it goes into suspend does it call network suspend eth0 ? |
| 14:01:47 | Cloudchaser | and sound was off just a tad |
| 14:02:03 | Wembly | themastermind1: thats a propertiy of the driver :/ |
| 14:02:04 | Cloudchaser | might just be z processor limitations |
| 14:02:19 | Wembly | but net.agent is called when its done with suspend. |
| 14:02:26 | George- | Cloudchaser: on which player? |
| 14:02:36 | kolla | grabs his zaurus... time to get this bastard working again |
| 14:02:44 | Wembly | problem is the driver never bothers to tell anyone that its been disconnected from the usb bus :/ |
| 14:02:50 | Cloudchaser | i've seen it on opie2 and tkc |
| 14:02:59 | Wembly | so that is why usbd0 exists when you unplug it from the bus. :/ |
| 14:02:59 | George- | kolla: bastard? |
| 14:03:05 | George- | kolla: haha |
| 14:03:08 | Cloudchaser | could be me and my ignorance too |
| 14:03:22 | Fatbum | why wont winsuck recognize im putting it in the cradle? |
| 14:03:57 | Cloudchaser | thats the most likely reason |
| 14:04:01 | George- | Cloudchaser: which is better? tkc or op²? |
| 14:04:06 | kolla | George-: well, it is though, isnt it? :) |
| 14:04:19 | Fatbum | any1 ever had that prollem? |
| 14:04:43 | George- | kolla: lol |
| 14:05:04 | Fatbum | any1 ever had that prollem? |
| 14:06:37 | W|GGL|T | is it fully seated in the cradle? |
| 14:06:45 | Fatbum | yep |
| 14:06:53 | Fatbum | it charged a second ago |
| 14:07:03 | kolla | huh???! |
| 14:07:20 | kolla | what the heck is this... the CF slot now suddenly decided to work?! |
| 14:07:33 | kolla | "only on mondays"? |
| 14:07:40 | W|GGL|T | Fatbum: sometimes mine will still charge and not be connected to XP |
| 14:07:47 | Fatbum | i know |
| 14:07:53 | Fatbum | whys it do that? |
| 14:07:57 | W|GGL|T | i dunno |
| 14:08:02 | W|GGL|T | but its only in XP |
| 14:08:05 | W|GGL|T | not linux |
| 14:08:11 | Fatbum | xp wont even recognize that im unplkuggin and plugging and spitting |
| 14:08:22 | Wembly | herm. |
| 14:08:34 | W|GGL|T | you try a reset? sometimes that works |
| 14:08:39 | W|GGL|T | reset of the Z |
| 14:08:50 | Fatbum | k |
| 14:08:52 | Fatbum | ill try |
| 14:08:57 | Wembly | fatbum: check out lsmod |
| 14:08:58 | Fatbum | i thought it may be z side |
| 14:09:09 | Fatbum | but i always assume its windows first |
| 14:09:10 | W|GGL|T | spft reset |
| 14:09:13 | W|GGL|T | er...soft |
| 14:09:14 | Wembly | fatbum: if sa1100_bi is listed as (deleted) |
| 14:09:19 | Wembly | then its your Z |
| 14:09:25 | Fatbum | k |
| 14:09:35 | Fatbum | yay it was my z |
| 14:09:45 | Fatbum | thanks i was buggin |
| 14:09:50 | Fatbum | i was all pissed odd |
| 14:09:52 | Fatbum | ff |
| 14:09:58 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 14:10:05 | Wembly | theres some minor issue with the usbd driver :/ |
| 14:10:12 | Wembly | and how its loaded/unloaded. |
| 14:10:28 | W|GGL|T | man...it doesn't feel like a holiday |
| 14:10:35 | W|GGL|T | feels like another sunday |
| 14:10:40 | W|GGL|T | GROUNDHOG DAY! |
| 14:10:42 | Fatbum | yea i think it was cuz i wasplaying with my wlan card here yesterday |
| 14:11:09 | Wembly | fatbum: nah i dunno what it has to deal with. |
| 14:12:46 | George- | bleh |
| 14:13:41 | TheMasterMind1 | . just add them |
| 14:13:44 | TheMasterMind1 | ugh |
| 14:19:26 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin XavierXeon |
| 14:19:40 | XavierXeon | mornin |
| 14:19:56 | XavierXeon | has just returned from work |
| 14:20:03 | Cloudchaser | ewww |
| 14:20:15 | Cloudchaser | that's worse than the rain we're having on our holiday |
| 14:20:44 | ljp | wwwwaaaaahhhhh.. it's rrraaaiiiinnnninnnggg.... wwwaaaahhhh |
| 14:21:04 | ljp | :) we need a couple years worth of rain here |
| 14:21:20 | XavierXeon | hey, its stopped raining here after aout 2 months of constant rain |
| 14:21:30 | Cloudchaser | you must be mildewed! |
| 14:21:37 | Cloudchaser | we do need the rain here though |
| 14:22:02 | XavierXeon | prepares a parcel and sends some rain to the us |
| 14:22:26 | ljp | accepts it.. even pays the duty fees |
| 14:22:44 | roge99_laptop | just a box of rain .... |
| 14:22:45 | XavierXeon | at least i didnt get flooded |
| 14:24:41 | tux_mike | i want a new law |
| 14:24:52 | XavierXeon | what law ? |
| 14:24:58 | tux_mike | i want a law that says sys admins can beat the living crap out of script kiddies |
| 14:25:09 | roge99_laptop | lol |
| 14:25:12 | BigBoss | we got root kitted about 7 months ago |
| 14:25:15 | BigBoss | it was messed up |
| 14:25:20 | saurus | rain, I wish |
| 14:25:57 | saurus | tux_mike: i thought that was a law. oops |
| 14:29:38 | Cloudchaser | i think i'm going to have to break down and use ext2 on sd card |
| 14:30:00 | Nermal_Work | :O |
| 14:31:14 | George- | Cloudchaser: there's nothing wrong with ext2. |
| 14:31:27 | | killefiz was last seen on #zaurus 18 hours, 26 minutes and 34 seconds ago, saying: Fatbum: there [Sun Sep 1 21:04:53 2002] |
| 14:31:27 | XavierXeon | ibot seen killefiz |
| 14:31:33 | Cloudchaser | i'm running low on space on mtdram |
| 14:31:42 | TheMasterMind1 | Cloudchaser rm -rf /mnt/ram :D |
| 14:32:01 | saurus | wishes his wireless card hadn't crapped out |
| 14:32:03 | Cloudchaser | yeah ok |
| 14:32:08 | Cloudchaser | i'll do that |
| 14:32:11 | Fatbum | hey cool people |
| 14:33:01 | Fatbum | to kill is sighup right? |
| 14:33:13 | TheMasterMind1 | Fatbum sigkill |
| 14:33:21 | TheMasterMind1 | well, nm |
| 14:33:21 | Fatbum | whats hup? |
| 14:33:57 | Fatbum | any1 elses ssh keygen crap out and lock up the z? |
| 14:35:51 | kolla | no |
| 14:36:10 | roge99_laptop | HUP Is HangUp |
| 14:37:44 | Fatbum | hola |
| 14:37:58 | Cloudchaser | hey has anyone used the zaurus sky explorer? |
| 14:38:14 | Fatbum | i seen it |
| 14:38:16 | Fatbum | looks cool |
| 14:38:36 | ljp | its huge |
| 14:38:40 | Cloudchaser | yeah i see that |
| 14:38:55 | XavierXeon | its java (i think) |
| 14:39:06 | Cloudchaser | crosses that off list |
| 14:40:05 | Fatbum | haha oh shit |
| 14:40:11 | Cloudchaser | no java on oz, so that's out |
| 14:40:15 | Fatbum | i install vnc server in oz |
| 14:40:18 | Fatbum | and it screws up |
| 14:40:22 | Fatbum | but i try to run it anyway |
| 14:40:28 | Fatbum | and i got dropped to a shell |
| 14:40:28 | Fatbum | hehe |
| 14:40:34 | TheMasterMind1 | Fatbum fun |
| 14:40:38 | Fatbum | zaurus login:[] |
| 14:40:40 | TheMasterMind1 | Fatbum /etc/init.d/opie start |
| 14:40:48 | TheMasterMind1 | after logging in ofcourse |
| 14:40:51 | Fatbum | unkown processor type muahahaha |
| 14:41:14 | matt02_rc | I'm switching to the OpenZaurus rom, How do I install a Java VM? |
| 14:41:16 | Fatbum | opie no such file or directory |
| 14:41:27 | Fatbum | matt02_rc get the jeodcreator.ipk |
| 14:41:33 | Fatbum | and then you can install it |
| 14:41:38 | Cloudchaser | dunno but if you find out let me know too? |
| 14:41:48 | Cloudchaser | last i saw it looked hard |
| 14:41:51 | angry | BigBoss: any new games soon? |
| 14:42:02 | Cloudchaser | have to get all kinds of files |
| 14:42:10 | Fatbum | Cloudchaser there is an ipk creator now |
| 14:42:10 | angry | NeoTron: ping! |
| 14:42:13 | Cloudchaser | angry: he said maybe one today and other later this week |
| 14:42:24 | XavierXeon | is the jeodecreator.ipk released somwehwere ? |
| 14:42:28 | angry | Cloudchaser: does he have any shots of it i can see? |
| 14:42:42 | Cloudchaser | don't know |
| 14:42:50 | Cloudchaser | doubt it til its out though |
| 14:42:56 | Fatbum | yeah it was on zzone feed i think |
| 14:42:59 | Cloudchaser | damn someone sent me nother viruse |
| 14:43:05 | angry | before he let us see tkcRacer :) |
| 14:43:07 | Cloudchaser | virus scanner caught it |
| 14:43:12 | Cloudchaser | ah well maybe then |
| 14:43:16 | Cloudchaser | i can't answer for him |
| 14:44:06 | XavierXeon | Fatbum: thx |
| 14:44:27 | Fatbum | find it? |
| 14:44:29 | Fatbum | im lookin to |
| 14:44:31 | Fatbum | too |
| 14:44:39 | matt02_rc | jeodecreator works like hancom creator? |
| 14:44:44 | Fatbum | yesssir |
| 14:45:04 | Fatbum | i found it on install packages from networks in sharprom |
| 14:45:10 | Fatbum | which points to?? |
| 14:45:15 | Fatbum | default is there evena feeed? |
| 14:46:07 | Fatbum | http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/feed/jeodcreator_1.0_arm.ipk |
| 14:46:11 | Fatbum | rules |
| 14:46:37 | Fatbum | now as far as it working when you get to oz is a different story |
| 14:47:02 | Fatbum | do a lil force-depends |
| 14:47:04 | angry | what is jeodecreator? |
| 14:47:31 | ljp | I'd rather do a force-five |
| 14:47:41 | Fatbum | makes an ipk to install jeod in oz |
| 14:47:43 | Cloudchaser | whats a force-five? |
| 14:47:47 | George- | Fatbum: does it work? |
| 14:47:55 | Fatbum | um im trying again right now |
| 14:48:00 | angry | Fatbum: while you're in the regular rom? |
| 14:48:04 | angry | err sharp rom |
| 14:48:18 | Fatbum | what do you mean? regular rom has jeod |
| 14:48:20 | Fatbum | ;) |
| 14:48:25 | angry | right |
| 14:48:28 | angry | put its an ipk |
| 14:48:30 | angry | *but |
| 14:48:43 | angry | ohh, it has the jeode stuff inside the ipk, and it installs it on OZ? |
| 14:48:49 | Fatbum | yea |
| 14:48:52 | Fatbum | so it claims |
| 14:48:57 | angry | thats cool |
| 14:49:00 | Fatbum | trying to run jvm doesnt work |
| 14:49:07 | Fatbum | of course i tend to do things very wrong |
| 14:49:18 | Fatbum | everybody else gets stuff to work, so dont take my word for it |
| 14:49:19 | ljp | force-five is putting your lips up to a window and blowing |
| 14:49:19 | kolla | someone should build a power-craddle for zaurus.. CF-based... with keyboar&mouse, disk and VGA-interface :) |
| 14:49:30 | Wembly | wha? |
| 14:49:45 | Fatbum | but as soon as you install jeodcreator it makes jeod.ipk |
| 14:49:50 | Fatbum | and then you transfer that to oz |
| 14:49:55 | Wembly | kolla: and how do you prepose that this powercraddle would work? |
| 14:49:56 | Fatbum | and run it force-depends or something |
| 14:50:07 | Fatbum | and it says configuring done |
| 14:50:11 | Fatbum | like successful? |
| 14:50:15 | kolla | Wembly: through the CF-slot |
| 14:50:24 | Wembly | funfun |
| 14:50:41 | Wembly | vga disk keyboard&mouse... |
| 14:50:50 | kolla | well.. USB+VGA |
| 14:50:53 | Wembly | the vga and disk might actually kill the bandwidth of the cf slot |
| 14:51:05 | Wembly | whatd be the point of usb? |
| 14:51:12 | Wembly | you cant commicate with it unless your a host |
| 14:51:15 | kolla | mouse&keyboard and disk |
| 14:51:29 | Wembly | and the Z uses ip to communicate |
| 14:51:35 | kolla | well, arent there CF-cards with USB on? |
| 14:51:41 | Wembly | oh |
| 14:51:45 | kolla | like there are pcmcia cards with USB on? |
| 14:51:46 | Wembly | dunno |
| 14:52:05 | kolla | well, in anycase, there are CF/PCMCIA adapters |
| 14:52:08 | Nermal_Work | nope |
| 14:52:14 | Nermal_Work | usb = 32 bit |
| 14:52:18 | Nermal_Work | all pcmcia = 16 bit |
| 14:52:21 | kolla | right |
| 14:52:24 | Wembly | nope to cf/pcmcia adapters? |
| 14:52:25 | kolla | cardbus |
| 14:52:26 | Nermal_Work | cardbus = 32bit |
| 14:52:37 | Nermal_Work | but won't work in zaurus / ipaq |
| 14:52:42 | Wembly | hehe |
| 14:53:00 | kolla | lame techies that push ancient hardware.. again :) |
| 14:53:13 | Fatbum | whoa |
| 14:53:15 | Fatbum | http://www.panasonic.com/computer/notebook/html/01a_s01.htm |
| 14:53:19 | Fatbum | that thing is cool |
| 14:53:58 | Nermal_Work | SOFTWARE ? Preloaded Microsoft? Windows? CE 3.0 |
| 14:53:59 | Wembly | ouch |
| 14:54:01 | Nermal_Work | bleh :| |
| 14:54:12 | Fatbum | so |
| 14:54:20 | Fatbum | thats whats on the ipaq that never stopped any1 |
| 14:54:31 | chouimat | hi |
| 14:54:33 | Nermal_Work | I only bought an ipaq so I could put linux on it |
| 14:54:35 | George- | yo chouuuuuiiiimmmmaaatttt |
| 14:54:38 | George- | chouimat: get a life |
| 14:54:39 | George- | ducks |
| 14:54:44 | chouimat | hi George- |
| 14:54:46 | Nermal_Work | if you couldn't put linux on it, I wouldn't have bought one |
| 14:54:48 | Fatbum | kicks George- |
| 14:54:54 | Fatbum | in zee neck! |
| 14:55:11 | George- | wh00t? |
| 14:55:32 | Fatbum | dude panasonic sells some badass shit |
| 14:55:36 | chouimat | George-: just waking up, have seen the Dream Theater show yesterday night |
| 14:55:43 | Fatbum | like titanium lined laptops with wireless and touchscreens and shit |
| 14:56:03 | Fatbum | magnesium alloy case with handle |
| 14:56:22 | Fatbum | and that link that shows the pda |
| 14:56:23 | Fatbum | .... |
| 14:56:29 | Fatbum | dust and mouisture proof |
| 14:56:31 | Fatbum | yay |
| 14:56:47 | George- | Fatbum: what about Titanium laptops with wireless? |
| 14:56:53 | George- | Fatbum: it's called the Apple PowerBook =P |
| 14:57:11 | Fatbum | cares |
| 14:57:19 | Fatbum | what sync software works with oz? |
| 14:57:35 | George- | intellisync |
| 14:57:49 | Fatbum | dude this panasonic pda is the exact same as the z |
| 14:57:55 | Fatbum | only it has winsuck |
| 14:58:23 | George- | Does it have a keyboard? |
| 14:58:24 | kolla | and no CF slot |
| 14:58:31 | Fatbum | yeah...so its like the ipaq i mean |
| 15:02:11 | kolla | og feh.. another busybox update |
| 15:02:18 | Wembly | haha |
| 15:02:37 | Wembly | needs to toss in a ifupdown update |
| 15:03:09 | kolla | I should uninstall buybox just to make sure it isnt updated |
| 15:03:43 | cranchy | anyone had problems with Konqueror not opening when you click the icon under the latest openZ? |
| 15:04:13 | Fatbum | cranchy it doesnt work in the lates oz |
| 15:04:18 | Fatbum | at all |
| 15:04:48 | kolla | I habe problems like that with all the opie apps except the reboot one every now and then, typically after inserting my CF disk |
| 15:04:50 | kolla | have |
| 15:05:07 | kolla | konqeror stopped working as well? cool |
| 15:05:30 | kolla | no opera, no konqueror.. but links is still running |
| 15:06:25 | mark | links rocks |
| 15:06:30 | Fatbum | opera doesnt work either? |
| 15:06:38 | kolla | WARNING: failed to remove obsolete file /png: No such file or directory |
| 15:06:42 | Fatbum | kfsamba works now thanks to me :) |
| 15:06:49 | kolla | I get such all the time when updating.. silly |
| 15:07:04 | kolla | Fatbum: never got it working on OZ, just segfaults here |
| 15:07:13 | Fatbum | what opera? |
| 15:07:41 | kolla | the thing that comes along when you buy the darned thing? :) |
| 15:07:48 | mickeyl | is leaving for a while... |
| 15:08:05 | cranchy | Fatbum: benmeyer wrote a script to extract the package |
| 15:09:07 | Fatbum | yea? |
| 15:09:35 | cranchy | didn't know if you knew that... |
| 15:09:44 | Fatbum | no...where its at? |
| 15:10:31 | cranchy | not positive |
| 15:10:34 | cranchy | i just know he made one :) |
| 15:12:33 | cranchy | so does anything work with the new Opie stuff..or am I going to have to go back to the sharp rom this week while school is in :) |
| 15:13:06 | Fatbum | cranchy im going sharp |
| 15:13:08 | kolla | Configuring opie-netmonapplet...QSocket::writeBlock: Socket is not open |
| 15:13:25 | Fatbum | i really liked the fs in oz but everything else is guffin up my style |
| 15:13:37 | kolla | cranchy: *new* opie stuff? what do you mean? |
| 15:13:39 | ljp | heh you have a style? |
| 15:14:01 | cranchy | well..I mean like konqueror, opera, etc |
| 15:14:03 | Wembly | nini |
| 15:14:12 | cranchy | I need some web-browsing :) |
| 15:14:19 | kolla | there's links |
| 15:14:36 | Cloudchaser | harlekin said konq was fixed today |
| 15:14:44 | Cloudchaser | but i got it working yesterday |
| 15:15:00 | Cloudchaser | by reflashing and not doing updates except for ipkg/busybox/oipkg |
| 15:15:08 | cranchy | haha |
| 15:15:31 | Cloudchaser | what's so funny? |
| 15:15:51 | cranchy | that we can't update the rest of the feed :) |
| 15:16:10 | Cloudchaser | 2 times updating all the packages i have installed has messed me up |
| 15:16:14 | Cloudchaser | i won't do it again |
| 15:16:17 | cranchy | hehe |
| 15:16:20 | Cloudchaser | but now my oipkg is wonky |
| 15:16:43 | Cloudchaser | doesn't show whta i have on sd card although i edited the doclinks entry |
| 15:16:49 | Cloudchaser | it shows an icon with no words |
| 15:16:59 | Cloudchaser | i need the update before the last one for oipkg |
| 15:17:31 | Cloudchaser | and even when i use file manager to install from sd card, it opens package manager and shows just the icon without the words |
| 15:17:36 | Fatbum | flashes sharps crappy rom |
| 15:17:49 | cranchy | when I install a package to mtrdram, it shows in my Documents Tab |
| 15:17:49 | cranchy | :) |
| 15:18:09 | Cloudchaser | yeah there's that too |
| 15:19:14 | macaroni7 | can't seem to be able to format my SD card as ext2, can anyone help? |
| 15:19:17 | Fatbum | the battery charging lite is blue :) |
| 15:19:50 | cranchy | we'll I suppose I'll reflash...any update before I do |
| 15:20:14 | cranchy | ? |
| 15:20:19 | macaroni7 | i setup the partition with fdisk, but when i do the format, i get not enough space error |
| 15:20:33 | TheMasterMind1 | macaroni7 partition? why/ |
| 15:20:43 | macaroni7 | using teh crow rom image |
| 15:20:56 | TheMasterMind1 | Cloudchaser do you want an initrd with all the updated opie packages? that way you don't have to update them and it won't mess up |
| 15:21:08 | cranchy | MaterMind: I'll try it |
| 15:21:35 | Cloudchaser | no thanks |
| 15:21:39 | Cloudchaser | i can make my own |
| 15:21:40 | cranchy | master: is it still causing all the problems |
| 15:21:51 | cranchy | like konqueror not working and etc |
| 15:21:56 | Cloudchaser | and vnc isnt' fixed yet with the newest updates |
| 15:22:01 | Cloudchaser | that i know of |
| 15:22:04 | TheMasterMind1 | oh that's true |
| 15:22:06 | cranchy | I've never set up VNC |
| 15:22:08 | TheMasterMind1 | the konq versio is old |
| 15:22:20 | TheMasterMind1 | you can get the latest konq from the ipaq feed that will work |
| 15:22:21 | cranchy | MaterMind: so what are you using for web browsing?. |
| 15:22:26 | TheMasterMind1 | nothing atm |
| 15:22:35 | cranchy | ahh |
| 15:22:39 | Fatbum | yay sharp rom |
| 15:22:45 | Fatbum | :-( |
| 15:23:18 | Cloudchaser | cya all in a while.. going to install linux on my other laptop |
| 15:23:25 | Cloudchaser | tired of getting virused every day |
| 15:23:28 | cranchy | hehe |
| 15:23:34 | George- | Cloudchaser: heh |
| 15:23:37 | cranchy | MaterMind: how do you make your own initrd |
| 15:23:45 | George- | cranchy: rm -rf / |
| 15:23:50 | Cloudchaser | oh stop |
| 15:23:54 | cranchy | hehe |
| 15:23:59 | George- | Cloudchaser: ? |
| 15:24:01 | cranchy | George: Macs suck :P |
| 15:24:05 | George- | cranchy: lol |
| 15:24:10 | Cloudchaser | sone day some poor guy is going to do that |
| 15:24:16 | George- | Cloudchaser: lol |
| 15:24:26 | George- | Cloudchaser: I only tell it to ppl that aren't on my morons list ;) |
| 15:24:34 | cranchy | :D |
| 15:24:47 | George- | cranchy is on my super-morons list =D |
| 15:24:53 | George- | ducks |
| 15:25:01 | cranchy | George is on my hack him later on today list |
| 15:25:11 | George- | cranchy: I'd like to see you try |
| 15:25:17 | George- | cranchy: my box is locked down pretty hard |
| 15:25:18 | George- | ;) |
| 15:25:28 | George- | It's not like Novak's box, ie - unhackable ;) |
| 15:25:32 | cranchy | haha |
| 15:25:41 | Cloudchaser | cranchy hold and i'll tell you how if i can find the command |
| 15:25:54 | George- | mkfs.jffs2 ;) |
| 15:25:57 | cranchy | how do you make your own Initrd |
| 15:26:06 | George- | or mkcramfs |
| 15:26:07 | XavierXeon | cranchy: oz or sharp ? |
| 15:26:09 | George- | depends |
| 15:26:14 | cranchy | oz |
| 15:26:16 | George- | OZ == mkfs.jffs2 |
| 15:26:18 | Cloudchaser | dd if=/dev/mtdblock4 of=/mnt/cf/some_image_name.jffs2 |
| 15:26:33 | George- | but you need to pad it to 14118<blah> bytes |
| 15:26:46 | cranchy | or I can just use someone elses |
| 15:26:49 | Cloudchaser | have to pad it? |
| 15:27:05 | George- | ie - mkfs.jffs2 -pad 14118<blah> source-dir dest-image |
| 15:27:06 | Cloudchaser | hmm he didn't tell me that with that command |
| 15:27:11 | George- | Cloudchaser: yes, you need to pad it |
| 15:27:18 | George- | Cloudchaser: jffs2 needs a sane filesystem end :) |
| 15:27:23 | Cloudchaser | or what happens? |
| 15:27:29 | George- | I dunno |
| 15:27:30 | Cloudchaser | i didn't use your command |
| 15:27:34 | Cloudchaser | i used the dd thing |
| 15:27:34 | George- | That's what kergoth told me |
| 15:27:42 | Cloudchaser | dd if=/dev/mtdblock4 of=/mnt/cf/some_image_name.jffs2 |
| 15:27:52 | George- | that'd only work on the Z |
| 15:28:02 | Cloudchaser | well thats what i have |
| 15:28:12 | Cloudchaser | cranchy has something else? |
| 15:28:17 | George- | the OZ build system uses mkfs.jffs2 =P |
| 15:28:28 | Cloudchaser | so that dd one is wrong? |
| 15:28:35 | George- | It'd work on the Z |
| 15:28:41 | George- | :D |
| 15:28:53 | Cloudchaser | well since that's what i have that's a good thing |
| 15:28:54 | George- | but not on a desktop |
| 15:28:59 | George- | Cloudchaser: lol |
| 15:29:02 | cranchy | well..I'll just use the default initrd |
| 15:29:04 | cranchy | :) |
| 15:29:09 | XavierXeon | Cloudchaser: dd is for making abackup of your oz rom i think |
| 15:29:12 | cranchy | and reflash and not update anything LOL |
| 15:29:36 | Cloudchaser | you might have to update couple things |
| 15:29:43 | Cloudchaser | if you want vnc that is |
| 15:29:57 | Cloudchaser | and i'm not sure what else i even need |
| 15:30:02 | Cloudchaser | but i did get vnc working |
| 15:30:03 | cranchy | whats breakign everything..the new QT? |
| 15:30:13 | George- | $(BUILD_DIR)/mtd/util/mkfs.jffs2 --eraseblock=0x20000 --pad=14811135 --root=$(BASE_DIR)/root --little-endian --squash --devtable=$(SOURCE_DIR)/oz-dev_table.txt --output=$(openzaurus_dirname)/initrd.bin |
| 15:30:13 | Cloudchaser | also ipkg/oipkg |
| 15:30:16 | George- | That's the OZ thing ;) |
| 15:30:57 | Cloudchaser | ok back in a bit.. |
| 15:31:34 | George- | grmbl |
| 15:32:11 | cranchy | wish I knew what was safe to update |
| 15:32:11 | George- | mkfs.jffs2 --eraseblock=0x20000 --pad=14811135 --root=<base-dir> --little-endian --squash --output=initrd.bin |
| 15:32:14 | George- | That's the command u want |
| 15:32:15 | George- | :))) |
| 15:35:16 | whardier | http://www.theonion.com/onion3831/penis-shaped_pool.html |
| 15:35:43 | George- | whardier: perv |
| 15:36:13 | cranchy | thats great! |
| 15:36:14 | cranchy | :) |
| 15:36:26 | cranchy | so I should just reflash with the current OZ stuff and leave it? |
| 15:36:50 | cranchy | or do I need to update some stuff |
| 15:37:53 | George- | whardier: that is SICK |
| 15:39:26 | whardier | :) |
| 15:40:17 | whardier | hmm |
| 15:40:32 | whardier | it should not surprise me that there is a comic strip with them in it |
| 15:40:43 | whardier | that was nicks comic book tho |
| 15:42:02 | George- | http://www.drudgereport.com/rings.htm |
| 15:42:03 | George- | lol |
| 15:42:14 | George- | LoTR-TT has been released on the internet ;) |
| 15:43:01 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
| 15:43:05 | TheMasterMind1 | want it? |
| 15:43:19 | whardier | joo have et? |
| 15:43:50 | George- | TheMasterMind1: what's it like? |
| 15:43:55 | George- | TheMasterMind1: as in quality? |
| 15:44:49 | whardier | http://invader.acid.net/gir/pictures/official/purple_turns.jpg |
| 15:46:19 | VerxHome | whardier: Your work? |
| 15:47:48 | whardier | eh! |
| 15:47:49 | whardier | no |
| 15:48:05 | whardier | VerxHome if you don't recognize.. seek all Invader ZSim episodes |
| 15:48:08 | whardier | Zim |
| 15:48:09 | whardier | heh |
| 15:48:10 | W|GGL|T | pvt joker is from Full Metal Jacket |
| 15:48:16 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 15:48:20 | whardier | I am finding stuff to model out of boredom |
| 15:48:53 | fat-away | what is the wireless antenna thing in the taskbar of opie? |
| 15:49:24 | kolla | busybox is so frigging funny |
| 15:49:26 | kolla | root@cutie:/bin# mkdir -p /var/spool/at |
| 15:49:26 | kolla | mkdir: Cannot create directory : No such file or directory |
| 15:49:36 | kolla | it doesnt even understand -p |
| 15:49:40 | kolla | useless crap |
| 15:49:41 | fat-away | hahahaha |
| 15:50:02 | kolla | so now half of the init scripts wont work, or what? |
| 15:51:00 | kolla | devpts.sh: wont work at least |
| 15:51:19 | kolla | mkdir --mode=755 /dev/pts is rather optimistic |
| 15:51:39 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 15:56:50 | W|GGL|T | there's a reason why busybox doesn't contain all command switches |
| 15:57:05 | | ACTION rampages, killing everyone in sight! |
| 15:57:05 | George- | ibot go postal |
| 15:57:05 | TheMasterMind1 | yes.. |
| 15:57:11 | cranchy | is there a syslog for the Z? |
| 15:57:15 | TheMasterMind1 | avery good reason |
| 15:57:35 | W|GGL|T | the Z doesn't log by default |
| 15:58:28 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 15:58:34 | TheMasterMind1 | i was kidding |
| 15:58:41 | TheMasterMind1 | i dont have lotr |
| 15:58:44 | TheMasterMind1 | (yet) |
| 15:59:07 | W|GGL|T | i do...i was a bit disappointed |
| 15:59:41 | W|GGL|T | the best part was the part where they were fighting the 'boss' toward the end |
| 16:00:36 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 16:00:55 | chouimat | re |
| 16:06:15 | cranchy | W|GGL|T: the quality shitty? |
| 16:08:45 | Microdim_PDA | has anybody heard of the distro of lycoris? |
| 16:08:57 | Microdim_PDA | a linux disto |
| 16:09:35 | George- | yes |
| 16:09:43 | ljp | I have heard of it, havent tried it |
| 16:10:21 | Microdim_PDA | I am loading it right now, the install is super easy |
| 16:10:44 | Microdim_PDA | it resized my ntfs partition |
| 16:11:40 | fat-away | cool |
| 16:12:19 | Microdim_PDA | goes to get some food |
| 16:12:25 | fat-away | wait |
| 16:12:28 | fat-away | its not free?! |
| 16:12:38 | BigBoss | lycoris is a nice distro |
| 16:12:45 | fat-away | is it free? |
| 16:12:49 | kolla | hm.. a new PIM tab, but why is DrawPad there? |
| 16:12:52 | BigBoss | it's what Caldera would have been if they hadn't stuck their heads so far up their asses |
| 16:13:06 | Microdim_PDA | if you download it it is free |
| 16:13:18 | fat-away | where its at? |
| 16:13:39 | fat-away | ok found nm |
| 16:13:42 | treke|home | kolla: because it makes a good notepad |
| 16:13:51 | kolla | duh |
| 16:13:52 | kolla | :) |
| 16:13:53 | Microdim_PDA | goto linuxiso.org then click on the lycoris icon |
| 16:14:54 | angry | yeah lycoris is tons of fun |
| 16:15:01 | fat-away | cool |
| 16:15:09 | fat-away | will it lemme talk to my z? |
| 16:15:23 | George- | lycoris is butt-ugly |
| 16:15:27 | angry | not sure bout that |
| 16:15:28 | George- | it looks like winxp ;) |
| 16:15:40 | George- | (default theme for KDE) |
| 16:15:43 | fat-away | i noticed that |
| 16:15:57 | fat-away | lot cheaper than xp |
| 16:15:58 | angry | George-: /me wants a mac os X/like GUI :-P |
| 16:16:04 | fat-away | itd be funny to install it on some1s box and theyd be all like winxp looks different |
| 16:16:09 | fat-away | ah im lost and stupid |
| 16:16:10 | Microdim_PDA | hey I think that winxp looks cool, it just doesn't work |
| 16:16:47 | George- | angry: os x is evilly slow ;) |
| 16:17:15 | angry | George-: then how about an os x desktop or WM for linux :) |
| 16:17:42 | kolla | anyone know qcop enough to know how to use it to refresh the tabs? |
| 16:20:55 | ljp | thats in the docs |
| 16:21:33 | kolla | what docs? |
| 16:25:56 | Cloud-Z | OMG...installing rh3 and i have 2 lousy files left and need disk 3!!!! |
| 16:26:11 | fat-away | ouch |
| 16:26:12 | Cloud-Z | which is still downloading |
| 16:26:17 | fat-away | just wait |
| 16:26:49 | Cloud-Z | 2 hours left! |
| 16:26:59 | fat-away | haha |
| 16:27:03 | fat-away | "just wait" |
| 16:27:23 | Cloud-Z | whines |
| 16:27:36 | fat-away | kicks Cloud-Z in the mouth |
| 16:27:44 | Cloud-Z | ummm |
| 16:28:01 | fat-away | im dling dlx |
| 16:28:11 | Cloud-Z | no need for that |
| 16:28:20 | fat-away | is ok |
| 16:28:24 | fat-away | take it like a man |
| 16:28:27 | fat-away | kick me back |
| 16:28:28 | fat-away | :-) |
| 16:28:37 | fat-away | :-D Im ready |
| 16:28:43 | Cloud-Z | didnt your mama teach you not to kick women? |
| 16:29:21 | fat-away | my mom actually died in a car wreck before i was born! |
| 16:29:28 | fat-away | but thanks for bringin it up |
| 16:29:33 | Cloud-Z | aw im sorry |
| 16:29:49 | fusion94 | Cloud-Z: obviously she didn't and no appears to have taught him the difference between men & women |
| 16:30:57 | kolla | xmms with unstripped binaries.. no wonder it's frigging huge :) |
| 16:31:29 | Cloud-Z | xmms is media player? |
| 16:31:35 | fat-away | yea |
| 16:31:39 | fat-away | like winamp for linux |
| 16:33:25 | Cloud-Z | i need my house wired for cat5 |
| 16:33:41 | darienm | Cloud-Z: go wireless |
| 16:33:46 | Cloud-Z | i am |
| 16:33:49 | George- | hi |
| 16:33:58 | Cloud-Z | but need nother card |
| 16:34:25 | Cloud-Z | wired is faster |
| 16:34:36 | davv | buy another wireless card.. cheaper than pulling cat5. |
| 16:34:49 | Cloud-Z | hehe yeah it is |
| 16:34:54 | George- | but slower |
| 16:34:58 | Cloud-Z | i have 2 now |
| 16:35:04 | George- | I have 1 |
| 16:35:05 | George- | :) |
| 16:35:22 | Cloud-Z | one is cf for z which im on now |
| 16:35:34 | Cloud-Z | other is pcmcia |
| 16:35:34 | George- | which CF? |
| 16:35:47 | fat-away | i have ambicom |
| 16:35:51 | Cloud-Z | dlink 650 |
| 16:36:19 | George- | What's the reception like? |
| 16:36:45 | Cloud-Z | bout the same as my cisco card |
| 16:36:45 | George- | I've got a AirPort, so I don't have probs with reception :) |
| 16:37:19 | Cloud-Z | why not |
| 16:37:27 | davv | Cloud-Z: Does the dlink cover the stylus / speaker-mic on the Z? |
| 16:38:11 | Cloud-Z | yes but i pulled z stylus cause it scratched my screen |
| 16:38:27 | chouimat | George-: hi |
| 16:38:32 | George- | hey chouimat |
| 16:38:40 | Cloud-Z | and i got 90 degree adapter for spaeker |
| 16:38:47 | George- | Cloud-Z: cos the thing has a built in antenna, and it has superb reception ;) |
| 16:39:01 | Cloud-Z | so i can still use spaekers |
| 16:39:27 | George- | chouimat: how's znessus? |
| 16:39:43 | davv | Cloud-Z: I'm looking into getting a CF wireless.. just have to do more research. I want one that does not cover the surrounding ports/stylus.. and has low power consumption. |
| 16:39:58 | chouimat | George-: was away this weekend so nothing new beside some bugs fixed and some brand new one |
| 16:40:01 | Cloud-Z | lose range |
| 16:40:14 | George- | chouimat: lol |
| 16:40:20 | Cloud-Z | from what i hear with low power |
| 16:40:38 | DrBoB | try the Linksys WCF12 |
| 16:40:53 | chouimat | George-: and today I'm sick so no coding today |
| 16:40:56 | davv | Cloud-Z: good point.. so you are happy with the range of your dlink? That one is plug-n-play (did I use that term??) with the Sharp OS image? |
| 16:41:05 | George- | chouimat: you're always sick |
| 16:41:11 | George- | chouimat: you p3rv3r7 |
| 16:41:14 | George- | chouimat: :) |
| 16:41:18 | Cloud-Z | yes it worked right off |
| 16:41:51 | chouimat | George-: I have was at the Dream Theater show yesterday :) too much beer and too much weed :) |
| 16:41:57 | DrBoB | what's the best AP + Router? |
| 16:42:11 | davv | DrBoB: How much money U want to spend?? hehe |
| 16:42:18 | Cloud-Z | range works for me and is comparble to my cisco card but i don't know if its good or bad |
| 16:42:34 | davv | Cloud-Z: U have a cisco 350 or 340? |
| 16:42:37 | George- | chouimat: you sick sick man |
| 16:42:43 | Cloud-Z | 340 |
| 16:42:48 | mark | gah, rm -R /etc/ really wasnt a good idea |
| 16:42:53 | kolla | nice |
| 16:42:53 | Cloud-Z | wish i had e50 |
| 16:43:08 | kolla | xmms doesnt show up its gui, but it plays just fine from the console |
| 16:43:13 | chouimat | George-: was a great show, with Joe Satriani as the opening act |
| 16:43:15 | davv | Cloud-Z: We use Cisco at work.. I was happy with the range there. I use lucent Orinico at home... for my stuff. |
| 16:43:25 | kolla | a nice shell frontend for mp3, ogg, modules etc |
| 16:43:28 | mark | George-: 95% of apt-get upgrade done |
| 16:43:30 | DrBoB | I just want a box I can hook an external antenna to, and with router built in...and as cheap as possible because I'm a tightwad :-) |
| 16:43:32 | Cloud-Z | is that as good |
| 16:43:45 | George- | mark: whoot?!?!? |
| 16:43:47 | George- | mark: on 56k? |
| 16:44:00 | mark | George-: yah |
| 16:44:11 | mark | George-: its only a server, not many packages installed, no X or kde or anything silly |
| 16:44:17 | George- | oh |
| 16:44:58 | George- | slaps mark for calling KDE silly |
| 16:45:06 | George- | What's wrong with installing KDE on a monitorless computer? |
| 16:45:10 | George- | over 56k? |
| 16:45:11 | George- | ducks |
| 16:45:13 | davv | DrBoB: I only have the AP.. no router (linksys WAP11) I found the hack to up the transmit power too 100Mw so my range is better (in theory). Don't have experiencewith AP + router through. The LinkSYS WAP11 has replaceable antennae though. |
| 16:46:11 | DrBoB | what's the street price on the WAP11 ? |
| 16:46:21 | davv | Cloud-Z: U get around an hour of online surfing with the Z and the dlink CF wirless card? Or you get more? |
| 16:46:40 | Microdim | well lycoris so far is pretty cool |
| 16:46:55 | Cloud-Z | davv yes |
| 16:46:59 | Cloud-Z | not more |
| 16:47:11 | Cloud-Z | iuse battery pack |
| 16:47:50 | | digipower is, like, a small portable battery pack known to work with the Z that provides 3 full charges, output of 8100 is 4.8V/2700mAH DP-4 cable required http://thomas-distributing.com/dp-dps-8100.htm |
| 16:47:50 | Cloud-Z | ibot digipower |
| 16:48:32 | Cloud-Z | that needs to be corrected...cable comes with it that fits z |
| 16:48:43 | davv | DrBoB: goto pricewatch.com Found a site that has $105 includes shipping for Linksys WAP11. ( http://www.emscomputing.com/cgi-bin/ems.storefront/3d73a5d0007b0b9c274241de460e069d/Offer/AddProduct/443951/ ) |
| 16:49:11 | Cloud-Z | the 8000 doesn't have the cable |
| 16:49:33 | Cloud-Z | i want zic to work with oz... |
| 16:49:48 | Cloud-Z | maybe sometime it will |
| 16:50:02 | davv | DrBoB: I use the WAP11 with Lucent Orinico cards.. the PCMCIA have support for external antenna to plugin. (which I don't use yet). |
| 16:51:14 | DrBoB | ok , checking out the links |
| 16:51:23 | davv | DrBoB: I picked up my wireless cards on Ebay.. was cheaper that way at the time. |
| 16:52:26 | DrBoB | I've already got a CF wireless card |
| 16:52:35 | DrBoB | WCF12 |
| 16:53:12 | davv | DrBoB: What should work fine then... since I believe it is WiFi compliant. |
| 16:53:52 | DrBoB | although, I've heard that the WCF12 has half the range of the 11 and uses about the same amount of power |
| 16:53:56 | George- | Cloud-Z: how big is the digipower? |
| 16:53:58 | davv | DrBoB: The only BAD thing about the linksys WAP11 is that with 128bit WEP, the xfer speed slows down... 64big WEP is fine. But you get what U pay for. |
| 16:54:22 | chouimat | George-: about the size of a smal car |
| 16:54:41 | George- | chouimat: shut up ;) |
| 16:55:17 | chouimat | George-: got a little contract to do, hook a odb II cable to a pc/palm/ipaq/zaurus :) |
| 16:55:27 | DrBoB | the wap11 has two antennas (rabitt ears) ,,,, how would an external antenna atach? can te whip antennas be removed? |
| 16:55:28 | davv | DrBoB: But for Inet access (cablemodem /DSL) it is fine. My cablemodem speeds go up to 230K streaming. |
| 16:55:30 | Cloud-Z | its small like 4 AA batteries in a littl leather case |
| 16:56:04 | Cloud-Z | theres a pic on that link i think |
| 16:56:10 | davv | DrBoB: The two dipole antennas on the WAP11 can be removed and replaced with a higher gain antennae. |
| 16:56:38 | George- | Cloud-Z: is it bigger than the Z? :) |
| 16:56:47 | Cloud-Z | no |
| 16:56:53 | George- | Oh |
| 16:56:54 | DrBoB | 4 AA Nickle Hydride bateries in a leather case for $50 ?? _such_a_DEAL_ ! |
| 16:56:55 | George- | Thicker? |
| 16:57:08 | George- | DrBoB: lol |
| 16:57:14 | George- | DrBoB: is it only 4 NiMH? |
| 16:57:27 | Cloud-Z | drbob with charger and cables |
| 16:57:45 | Cloud-Z | but yes you can make it cheaper |
| 16:58:02 | George- | how can 4 NiMH AA batts give 3x batt life? |
| 16:58:09 | davv | Any of you use "tkc" apps by TheKompany? Wondering if any are as good as they seem to be.. since no demo is available. |
| 16:58:13 | DrBoB | ooooooh...so you don't have tocobble up your own hookups/ |
| 16:58:35 | George- | davv: BigBoss will tell you _all_ about that |
| 16:59:04 | chouimat|B5 | bb 1 hour |
| 16:59:12 | George- | 8-12 Hour AC Charger |
| 16:59:13 | George- | Fuck |
| 16:59:22 | George- | I have NiMH chargers that charge in 1 hour |
| 16:59:49 | Cloud-Z | hey goerge...dont buy it |
| 16:59:56 | George- | Cloud-Z: hehe |
| 17:00:03 | George- | Cloud-Z: I might *make* one :) |
| 17:00:15 | Cloud-Z | its what i use and im happy with it is all |
| 17:00:19 | davv | I use the Rayovac 1 hourse charger... it seems to work well. has good reviews.. batteries to get full charge.. each battery is on it's own charging cell (no shared) |
| 17:00:27 | davv | hour |
| 17:00:45 | Microdim | is there software fo linux that syncs with oz? |
| 17:00:59 | Cloud-Z | davv i use tkc apps |
| 17:01:08 | Cloud-Z | i like them |
| 17:01:22 | davv | Microdim: Qtopia Desktop for Linux v1.6 |
| 17:01:49 | Microdim | davv:is there something else or is that pretty much it? |
| 17:01:53 | davv | Microdim: Beta though.. but it does work. What distro of linux you run? |
| 17:02:18 | davv | Microdim: that's what I use.. that's all that I know of. sorry |
| 17:02:58 | Microdim | Lycoris, is what I am using |
| 17:03:27 | davv | Cloud-Z: You have the replacement calendar / addressbook.. and the non-backward-compatible task tkc proggie? |
| 17:03:41 | Cloud-Z | yes |
| 17:04:07 | Cloud-Z | you can import your existing tasks |
| 17:04:34 | Cloud-Z | they have new sync prog for outlok |
| 17:04:36 | Microdim | davv: where do I go to get the Qt Desktop? |
| 17:05:00 | Cloud-Z | but i dont use outlook so i havent tried it |
| 17:05:04 | BigBoss | davv: what do you want to know about tkc apps other than how awesome they are? |
| 17:05:13 | Cloud-Z | hehe |
| 17:05:24 | davv | Cloud-Z: I don't use outlook though.. that's my problem. :( I use Groupwise at work. I suppose I can play and sync gropuwise with outlook and THEN sync with the Z..and vice versa.. |
| 17:05:32 | Cloud-Z | i'm using jabber right now |
| 17:05:47 | George- | davv: yeh, bigboss is trying to say "Do you want to know why they're worth burning a hole in your wallet for" |
| 17:06:09 | BigBoss | if you don't buy them, then we both loose money |
| 17:06:15 | davv | BigBoss: I guess if they were worth the money... good performance.. and not just some pieced together apps that look nice and function poorly. |
| 17:06:41 | Cloud-Z | they work very well for me |
| 17:06:45 | George- | BigBoss: what do you mean "both"? :) |
| 17:06:52 | davv | Microdim: Sec.. lemme find the URL for Qtopia Desktop for linux. |
| 17:07:36 | | qtopia is probably the new name for QPE and it is at qpe.sourceforge.net or a more well developed and binary compatable fork of qtopia is opie |
| 17:07:36 | Cloud-Z | ibot qtopia |
| 17:07:53 | BigBoss | davv: we would hardly survive as a software company that is the leading supplier of software for the zaurus if our stuff was cobbled together shit |
| 17:07:57 | | Cloud-Z: excuse me? |
| 17:07:57 | Cloud-Z | ibot qtopoa desktop |
| 17:08:01 | Microdim | how do issue a command in console and still be able to issue other commands? |
| 17:08:13 | Microdim | ur start programs |
| 17:08:23 | mark | Microdim: put an & after trhem |
| 17:08:36 | mark | ie 'myprog &' |
| 17:08:44 | Microdim | thanks mark |
| 17:09:20 | Cloud-Z | konsole tabs is nice too |
| 17:09:21 | davv | BigBoss: I understand.. I just wanted unbiased (well.. within reason!) reviews on the apps. :) |
| 17:11:07 | davv | Microdim: get Qtopia Desktop for linux sync at: http://www.trolltech.com/developer/download/qtopia.html?cr=1 it's at bottom of page. |
| 17:11:51 | BigBoss | davv: there was a good one on zaurus.loveslinux.org a few months back |
| 17:12:04 | BigBoss | linuxdevices had some mini reviews a while ago as well |
| 17:12:11 | BigBoss | ofb is supposed to have some this week |
| 17:12:32 | mark | BigBoss: ofb? |
| 17:13:23 | mark | pda buyers guide said they were gonna do reviews of Z games, never have |
| 17:13:28 | davv | BigBoss: I read some past reviews ( I did my homework!) I was impressed.. but first I wanted to see what free proggies are available. My whole concern was how I would sync with Groupwise... for basic calendar / addressbook. That' smy problem though... I can do a workaround. |
| 17:16:17 | davv | Cloud-Z: With your Dlink CF, did you have to cut away the plastic encasing around the antennae to get the 90 degrees headphone adapter to fit? |
| 17:17:21 | Cloud-Z | no |
| 17:17:41 | Cloud-Z | i trimmed the adapter |
| 17:17:53 | Cloud-Z | it was only 2.99 |
| 17:18:11 | davv | Cloud-Z: Ok.. hehe.. not a bad price! Thanx |
| 17:18:26 | Cloud-Z | have to put adapter in first is all |
| 17:18:46 | Cloud-Z | the 90 degree one |
| 17:19:13 | davv | Cloud-Z: Yep. That would make sense.. |
| 17:20:32 | Cloud-Z | i dont use it much cause i need cf for music/vid files anyway |
| 17:21:11 | Microdim | how do you start qtopia desktop from the console? |
| 17:22:11 | davv | Microdim: What distro of Linux U run. U have usbdnet support in the kernel? IP over USB? |
| 17:22:42 | Microdim | Lycoris |
| 17:23:00 | Microdim | well qt uses network right? |
| 17:23:25 | davv | Microdim: ifconfig should show you a usb0 interface... you may need to search Inet for support and configuration. |
| 17:24:33 | Microdim | ok...but I need to start qtdesktop I am not going to sync from usb |
| 17:24:43 | Microdim | but I do not have an icon in my menu |
| 17:24:44 | George- | darienm: here? |
| 17:24:48 | davv | Microdim: Qtopia Desktop for Linux sync proggie syncs over the IP protocol. You need to be able to ping your Z before the sync will work. |
| 17:25:13 | Microdim | ok hold on |
| 17:25:33 | Microdim | ok I am able to ping it |
| 17:25:37 | davv | Microdim: I never used Lycorus (aka formerly Redmond Linux) so I don't know what the kernel supports from the distro stock kernel. |
| 17:25:58 | davv | so you can ping your 192.168.129.201 (the Z) .. that makes it easier. |
| 17:26:15 | Microdim | O I C.....yes but my ip was 192.168.1.100 |
| 17:26:33 | darienm | George-: whassup? |
| 17:26:36 | davv | 192.168.1.100 on the Z? |
| 17:26:47 | Microdim | for the network davv |
| 17:26:48 | George- | darienm: what's the Sharp Mobile like? |
| 17:26:53 | darienm | doesnt work yet |
| 17:26:54 | darienm | I dunno |
| 17:27:09 | George- | it doesn't work? |
| 17:28:01 | mark | Microdim: ur PCs ip was 192.168.1.100? |
| 17:28:22 | davv | Microdim: Ok.. ifconfig shows usb0 as 192.168.1.100? Just trying to clarify. |
| 17:28:23 | Microdim | mark: my z's IP was 192.168.1.100 |
| 17:28:27 | Cloud-Z | i really want wireless internet acess |
| 17:28:40 | mark | Microdim: ah ok |
| 17:29:08 | davv | Microdim: if U can ping the Z that is good. U need to put the Z IP address in the Qtopia Desktop for Linux sync software.. under file preferences.. for the USB connection |
| 17:29:17 | Microdim | davv: I am not using usb... I have a wireless access point in my house and I have a DSL router and a hub I also have a cf Wireless 2.4 Ghz network card |
| 17:29:25 | Microdim | I am going to be syncing through my network |
| 17:29:42 | davv | Microdim: Oh!!! hehe... ok... |
| 17:29:50 | Microdim | :-) |
| 17:30:10 | Microdim | davv: so now I just need to know how to start the program from the console |
| 17:30:34 | davv | Microdim: U run the rpm installer for it? Does Lycoris use rpm packages? |
| 17:30:48 | Microdim | yes but it didnt put it in my menu |
| 17:31:28 | davv | Microdim: /opt/Qtopia/bin/qtopiadesktop run that link. |
| 17:32:06 | davv | Create a shortcut on your desktop to that link.. that will work. |
| 17:32:17 | Microdim | thanks davv |
| 17:33:04 | davv | Once program starts up... goto File -> Settings -> Connection tab -> Local area network (LAN) and specify the Z IP addy. |
| 17:33:31 | VerxHome | cloudchaser: You mean 802.11 for work and home, or wireless, wherever you are? |
| 17:33:55 | davv | Microdim: I never synced by LAN.. looking to get a wireless CF card soon. |
| 17:33:59 | VerxHome | darienm: You there? |
| 17:34:02 | Cloud-Z | whereever i am |
| 17:34:03 | darienm | yes |
| 17:34:13 | VerxHome | darienm: Did you get your sharp mobile equipment? |
| 17:34:18 | darienm | yes |
| 17:34:19 | Microdim | davv: the link worked, and syncing by lan is great |
| 17:34:30 | VerxHome | darienm: So they shipped, but it doesn't work yet? |
| 17:34:49 | darienm | it doesnt' work for me... not sure why. dials, authenticates, but can't resolve sites. |
| 17:34:56 | davv | Microdim: Good!!! the sync can be a little flaky at times.. but that's beta.. Overall works well. |
| 17:35:42 | davv | Microdim: as long as you have an IP connection to the Z.. (can ping it).. it should sync! |
| 17:37:02 | George- | What's the difference between Windows 95 and a virus? A virus does something. |
| 17:37:48 | davv | darn holiday.. stores are closed! |
| 17:38:43 | KallDrexx | arg need doom |
| 17:38:49 | George- | KallDrexx: lol |
| 17:40:12 | angry | NeoTron: you there? |
| 17:41:02 | KallDrexx | George-: heh playing prboom on my zaurus, beat the shareware... need the other wads lol |
| 17:41:40 | George- | KallDrexx: isn't it abandonware or something? |
| 17:41:40 | George- | ;) |
| 17:41:56 | KallDrexx | no it isn't |
| 17:42:08 | George- | grah |
| 17:42:08 | George- | lol |
| 17:42:08 | KallDrexx | ID software is still selling a doom package with all of the dooms on it |
| 17:42:12 | George- | ugh |
| 17:42:16 | KallDrexx | so I can't get it at any abandonware site =( |
| 17:42:23 | KallDrexx | i've looked alreayd hehe |
| 17:42:57 | KallDrexx | shakes his fist at id |
| 17:43:03 | George- | is abandonware legal? |
| 17:43:16 | KallDrexx | it's debatable |
| 17:43:32 | George- | how ? :) |
| 17:43:33 | KallDrexx | technically no, but a lot of developers support it as it keeps old games alive |
| 17:43:42 | George- | oh |
| 17:44:03 | KallDrexx | is still waiting for permission to make an omf 2097 Z port |
| 17:44:22 | Cloud-Z | whats that? |
| 17:44:37 | KallDrexx | One Must Fall: 2097 |
| 17:44:40 | KallDrexx | robot fighting game |
| 17:46:38 | KallDrexx | great game |
| 17:46:41 | KallDrexx | www.omf.com |
| 17:46:45 | KallDrexx | the new one is cool too |
| 17:53:30 | Cloud-Z | 1 hour and 5 minutes so far with wifi onbattery |
| 17:53:46 | KallDrexx | with wifi active? |
| 17:53:55 | Cloud-Z | it's low but no warning |
| 17:54:20 | KallDrexx | ah |
| 17:54:23 | Cloud-Z | yes have had irc on for 65 minutes |
| 17:54:33 | KallDrexx | wonders if a divx movie will take up more battery than mp3's |
| 17:54:54 | Cloud-Z | i'll try that another time |
| 17:55:28 | Cloud-Z | once i get warning i'll go on digipower |
| 17:55:31 | KallDrexx | yeah, once I get my CF i'll try it out |
| 17:55:37 | KallDrexx | has no money for digipower =( |
| 17:55:46 | Cloud-Z | see how that does |
| 17:56:23 | TheMasterMind1 | beh |
| 17:56:29 | TheMasterMind1 | anyone happen to know how to do accents in abiword |
| 17:57:08 | Cloud-Z | actually....70 minutes now |
| 17:58:44 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/gir16.png heh |
| 17:58:49 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/GiR.blend |
| 17:59:58 | angry | what app is that using? |
| 18:00:04 | angry | i like the outlines |
| 18:00:08 | George- | whardier: what the FUCK is that? |
| 18:00:09 | whardier | blender |
| 18:00:13 | whardier | George- ! |
| 18:00:16 | whardier | kills George- |
| 18:00:21 | George- | ? |
| 18:00:26 | whardier | its a GiR! |
| 18:00:30 | whardier | look it up on google |
| 18:00:32 | whardier | gir |
| 18:00:35 | George- | OK, wt FUCK is a gir? |
| 18:01:13 | whardier | heh |
| 18:01:19 | whardier | forms a radiosity solution |
| 18:01:21 | angry | ooh blender's open source ;) |
| 18:01:22 | Cloud-Z | someone you watch your language in front of? |
| 18:01:32 | whardier | angry: its goal is to be |
| 18:01:46 | whardier | soon it will be.. for right now its just free binaries |
| 18:01:48 | oGMo | oh WOW |
| 18:02:00 | angry | free binaries is good too :) |
| 18:02:05 | oGMo | the a300 documents tab is a lot nicer |
| 18:02:19 | angry | oGMo: i know, its the best reason to want an a300 :) |
| 18:02:22 | roge99_laptop | whardier: how long have you been using blender ? |
| 18:02:23 | angry | it can actually use *folers* |
| 18:05:54 | George- | angry: *wow* :) |
| 18:05:55 | George- | has all the A300 binaries on his HDD |
| 18:05:55 | whardier | roge99_laptop: seriously using blender for about a week or two |
| 18:05:55 | angry | George-: any luck trying to get those on your 5000d? |
| 18:05:55 | George- | angry: nope |
| 18:05:55 | whardier | used many other things for a long time |
| 18:05:55 | George- | angry: I gave up |
| 18:05:55 | roge99_laptop | cool |
| 18:05:55 | angry | holy scat: http://www.elysiun.com/gallery/13/sailor_large.jpg |
| 18:05:55 | George- | whardier: are you gonna be the next rasterman? |
| 18:05:55 | oGMo | angry: i dunno, if this pic is what it looks like, blech |
| 18:05:56 | George- | whardier: with encrapenment? :) |
| 18:06:02 | oGMo | i'd rather just hack qtopia... although granted, having an xscale under the hood would be nice |
| 18:06:02 | George- | oGMo: the Xscale is a POS |
| 18:06:05 | angry | jesus i couldnt even get near that quality with 3d studio max |
| 18:06:15 | KallDrexx | well this sucks |
| 18:06:17 | whardier | George-: rasterman is his own thing man |
| 18:06:19 | oGMo | George-: not according to the people here who have actually used it |
| 18:06:22 | KallDrexx | doom.wad is too big |
| 18:06:30 | oGMo | at least, BigBoss and someone else said it was nicer |
| 18:06:42 | oGMo | KallDrexx: er, it's only like 10MB, get a card ;) |
| 18:07:13 | George- | oGMo: BigBoss hates the XScale |
| 18:07:16 | George- | whardier: lol, ok ok ;) |
| 18:07:24 | KallDrexx | oGMo: hehe 12megs, card should be here in a few days ;) |
| 18:07:31 | George- | mv whardier /dev/null |
| 18:07:43 | whardier | George-: you have issues mang |
| 18:08:09 | BigBoss | xscale has a lot of problems |
| 18:08:23 | KallDrexx | Cloud-Z: why'd you disco? |
| 18:08:24 | George- | whardier: I know |
| 18:08:40 | whardier | my cat clawed acrossed my nipple last night |
| 18:08:47 | whardier | I don't think I have ever had a nipple wound |
| 18:08:54 | Cloud-Z | ok apparntly oz doesnt have low battery warning |
| 18:09:31 | Cloud-Z | 1 hour 20 minutes with dlink |
| 18:09:40 | George- | whardier: do I want to know? |
| 18:11:37 | Cloud-Z | hey harlekin i dont think newest clipboard app is on feed |
| 18:11:59 | Cloud-Z | i had to use the one you sent me |
| 18:11:59 | Harlekin | Cloud-Z: sorry, i have no idea about the OZ feeds |
| 18:12:20 | Harlekin | Cloud-Z: kergoth and the other take care of that |
| 18:12:22 | Cloud-Z | ok |
| 18:12:23 | oGMo | George-: well, looking through my logs it just seems like a bunch of lemming parrots repeating "xscale sucks! xscale sucks! bwaak!" and no real substance, except for cdm who presents some solid info, and i quote "20:42 cdm> bah, XScale doesn't suck in general." |
| 18:12:33 | Wintre | Heh |
| 18:12:34 | oGMo | slower per MHz isn't necessarily bad if you have more MHz ;P |
| 18:12:53 | Wintre | In a battery-powered device... |
| 18:12:57 | oGMo | and that's about the only complaint i see about it, other than having to recompile with xscale opts |
| 18:13:10 | Wintre | I guess you could generalize about efficiency. Kinda wanky to do so however |
| 18:13:15 | George- | oGMo: lol |
| 18:13:19 | cdm | oGMo: ;) thanks. |
| 18:13:19 | George- | oGMo: yeh it is |
| 18:13:20 | oGMo | would kinda like to see an 800MHz crusoe, but whatever ;) |
| 18:13:24 | BigBoss | there are over 100 items on the errata on the xscale |
| 18:13:24 | George- | oGMo: it shows bad CPU design |
| 18:13:31 | BigBoss | a typical chip release has about 10 |
| 18:13:32 | Wintre | Better to measure |
| 18:13:34 | angry | animated .gif's as backgrounds rule |
| 18:13:40 | cdm | the PXA250 simply has some memory interface bugs. |
| 18:13:40 | Wintre | George: Not necessarily |
| 18:13:51 | cdm | so it is getting rate limited by writes to DRAM. |
| 18:14:26 | Wintre | George: It could also indicate that the designers don't feel high clock speeds are a bad thing |
| 18:14:29 | oGMo | i don't see any reason not to bring some of the new interface features back to the 5500 though |
| 18:14:44 | oGMo | other than marketting, of course |
| 18:14:57 | BigBoss | what does marketing have to do with it? |
| 18:15:38 | angry | BigBoss: got any screenshots of your new games i can check out? |
| 18:15:40 | oGMo | BigBoss: if they want people to buy the a300, they may not have much of a reason if the 5500 has all the same features |
| 18:15:54 | oGMo | speaking from some future date when they actually sell a300's here, of course |
| 18:16:03 | BigBoss | your argument is senseless, the 5500 is not sold in japan and the a300 is only sold in japan |
| 18:16:07 | BigBoss | they won't |
| 18:16:14 | BigBoss | I had a meeting with sharp about it on friday |
| 18:16:26 | oGMo | and of course, corporations never change their minds ;) |
| 18:16:30 | George- | BigBoss: do you have an A300? |
| 18:16:31 | oGMo | or release new products |
| 18:16:38 | Wintre | Corporations don't have minds ;) |
| 18:16:50 | oGMo | you know what i mean |
| 18:17:06 | BigBoss | george-: yes I do |
| 18:17:10 | Wintre | Sure, just felt like teasing ; |
| 18:17:10 | Wintre | ) |
| 18:17:14 | oGMo | heh |
| 18:17:17 | angry | all i personally want is that good documents tab for my 5000d |
| 18:17:28 | BigBoss | oGMo: well you can live in fantasy land or you can work with what is real |
| 18:17:36 | angry | if opie somehow implements, i'm going to change my rom once again :) |
| 18:17:57 | oGMo | BigBoss, chill |
| 18:18:08 | oGMo | i was merely using marketting as a qualification for not backporting the new qtopia |
| 18:18:09 | BigBoss | but marketing is just a nonsense remark |
| 18:18:23 | BigBoss | it doesn't make sense in any scenario |
| 18:18:23 | oGMo | it's hardly nonsense, i've seen it happen numerous times |
| 18:18:46 | BigBoss | both devices have an entirely different audience and having a different documents tab is hardly going to be a deciding factor |
| 18:18:57 | BigBoss | the only reason I ever look at the documents tab is if I tap it by mistake |
| 18:19:28 | oGMo | unless you're the only Z user, that's hardly relevant i think ;p |
| 18:19:34 | angry | looks at it constantly |
| 18:19:36 | Cloud-Z | right its about useless |
| 18:19:40 | angry | every time i need to open media from my CF card |
| 18:20:10 | oGMo | uses it quite a bit as well, since he actually keeps a few useful spreadsheets and other docs on the Z |
| 18:20:15 | Cloud-Z | i would use it if it was set up right |
| 18:20:54 | Cloud-Z | i do too but every darn file and pc shhows up there |
| 18:20:56 | BigBoss | ok oGMo, you were just saying that everyone was spouting off about xscale, and now your throw out an argument that makes no sense as though it is gosple |
| 18:21:09 | Cloud-Z | faster to do file/open |
| 18:21:19 | oGMo | er, hardly gospel, i'm just stating a possibility |
| 18:21:43 | oGMo | although even that was tenuous, given sharp's pretty damn good customer support and stuff |
| 18:22:46 | oGMo | in fact it was meant to show that there's little reason NOT to release a newer updated UI, since performance is likely not an issue, and the only thing i can think of would, in fact, be the marketting angle, and as we both agree that's unlikely |
| 18:23:21 | oGMo | (that, i suppose, and technical support, but nyeh.) |
| 18:25:17 | Cloud-Z | well we know it can be done but will it? 5500 getting some of those featues |
| 18:25:40 | Cloud-Z | and if not...why not? |
| 18:25:49 | oGMo | who knows ... i'd count on OZ getting them before anything else, but that's imho |
| 18:25:58 | BigBoss | it's part of a newer Qtopia |
| 18:26:09 | BigBoss | and TT is still working on the 2.0 Qtopia release for later this year |
| 18:26:12 | BigBoss | I think this used 1.6 |
| 18:26:22 | whardier | radiosity global illumination GiR http://segfault.bogomip.com/gir17.png |
| 18:27:00 | Cloud-Z | the A300 uses qt 2? |
| 18:27:10 | Onyx4 | wohoo frys is open today |
| 18:27:19 | Harlekin | Onyx4: ? |
| 18:27:20 | oGMo | whardier: nifty, what'd you make that with? |
| 18:27:28 | BigBoss | no, it uses qte 1.6 I believe |
| 18:27:33 | Onyx4 | frys=electronic store, it's labor day in US most stores are closed |
| 18:27:35 | George- | 1.6? |
| 18:27:41 | Harlekin | he means qtopia 1.6 |
| 18:27:43 | Harlekin | yes |
| 18:27:46 | angry | whardier: i love the cartoon 3d outline thingies! so cool |
| 18:27:46 | Harlekin | and no |
| 18:27:52 | Harlekin | a even different version |
| 18:27:54 | angry | but i cant understand the program for hte life of me ;) |
| 18:27:54 | oGMo | angry: yeah |
| 18:28:00 | Cloud-Z | that what 5500is using isnt it? |
| 18:28:08 | angry | i can use 3d studio max though |
| 18:28:24 | Onyx4 | Harlekin: any beta versions of op2 out yet? :) |
| 18:28:25 | angry | but this thing seems cooler than it (and you don't have to find an illegal copy of it, either ;)) |
| 18:28:42 | Harlekin | Onyx4: you mean another? |
| 18:28:46 | Harlekin | Onyx4: next weekend |
| 18:28:52 | Harlekin | Onyx4: currently only gui updates |
| 18:28:53 | oGMo | i'd love to know how to do cel shading with OpenGL... i haven't really looked into it, but i'm not sure how to get the outlines |
| 18:28:55 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/gir18.png |
| 18:28:56 | angry | op = opie player? |
| 18:29:01 | Harlekin | Onyx4: still working on mem |
| 18:29:04 | Harlekin | angry: op² |
| 18:29:11 | Harlekin | angry: thats a op^2 |
| 18:29:17 | angry | what's that |
| 18:29:20 | Onyx4 | Harlekin: ok let me know once it's ready |
| 18:29:23 | whardier | angry its part of the unified renderer in blender |
| 18:29:29 | oGMo | oOo |
| 18:29:40 | Harlekin | Onyx4: you can have a new gui snapshot if you want |
| 18:29:50 | angry | whardier: thats so cool |
| 18:29:57 | whardier | oGMo done in blender using a global illumination room and radiosity |
| 18:29:57 | Onyx4 | Harlekin: playback got smoother with the newer opie release but still kind of jumpy from time to time, not really watchable yet |
| 18:30:05 | oGMo | whardier: that looks really cool |
| 18:30:18 | angry | whardier: thatd be awesome for making comics, high quality ones with outlines |
| 18:30:21 | whardier | oGMo heh.. it doesn't look as neat as I wanted |
| 18:30:23 | Onyx4 | Harlekin: ok is your site up with the latest snapshot? |
| 18:30:35 | Harlekin | only mail currently |
| 18:30:36 | whardier | angry: like I need another exuse not tohave a life |
| 18:30:39 | Harlekin | since i am road warrioring |
| 18:30:44 | angry | whardier: ;) |
| 18:30:48 | Onyx4 | ok you can mail it to me? |
| 18:30:51 | Harlekin | whardier: whats latest opiezilla render image? |
| 18:31:00 | Harlekin | whardier: do we get a opiezilla movie? |
| 18:31:02 | Harlekin | ..) |
| 18:31:04 | George- | Harlekin: 20 |
| 18:31:05 | George- | ;) |
| 18:31:06 | angry | i'm going to set up a k12ltsp server at my school soon, i might install blender so kids can play around with it |
| 18:31:07 | Harlekin | Onyx4: addy again? |
| 18:31:09 | angry | is it hard to build? |
| 18:31:11 | Harlekin | George-: url |
| 18:31:20 | George- | http://segfault.bogomip.com/3dpingi20.png |
| 18:31:22 | ljp | pingizauru does the macarana |
| 18:31:28 | whardier | hehehe |
| 18:31:54 | angry | is there any app that can do distributed rendering over the internet? |
| 18:31:56 | whardier | Harlekin I don't think 3d pingi is gonna be here long.. atleast not that model |
| 18:32:05 | whardier | angry: yeah.. |
| 18:32:05 | Harlekin | why |
| 18:32:07 | Harlekin | whardier: why |
| 18:32:10 | oGMo | angry: plenty unless you mean realtime |
| 18:32:20 | oGMo | Radiance, PoVRay, etc. |
| 18:32:20 | whardier | heh |
| 18:32:31 | whardier | all of them that can do PVM can do it over the internet |
| 18:32:36 | whardier | you just gotta set up a network |
| 18:32:39 | angry | oGMo: is there like a distributed network? |
| 18:32:44 | whardier | blender has a nice render daemon |
| 18:32:45 | fusion94 | whardier: are you doing those images ? |
| 18:32:50 | oGMo | i know this guy who did _amazing_ things with radiance on a cluster with nothing but a text editor |
| 18:32:54 | angry | whardier: would it be possible to set up a SETI type dealie with rendering? |
| 18:32:56 | oGMo | angry: yeah |
| 18:33:10 | whardier | you can distribute it over the internet w/o needing a vpn of sorts |
| 18:33:20 | whardier | angry: yeah.. blender has something like that already set up |
| 18:33:31 | oGMo | oh yeah blender does that doesn't it |
| 18:33:38 | oGMo | hasn't touched blender in eons :( |
| 18:33:50 | whardier | I have spent the last few weeks learning |
| 18:34:00 | whardier | I am used to truespace.. used that ever sense 1.0 heh.. |
| 18:34:08 | oGMo | hehe |
| 18:34:15 | whardier | tired of having to keep windows around just to use it.. so I am learning blender |
| 18:34:32 | whardier | and now nodoze anywhere |
| 18:34:32 | whardier | heh |
| 18:34:35 | angry | any blender rpm's? ;) |
| 18:34:43 | whardier | just snag the tars |
| 18:34:49 | whardier | its 1 file big.. |
| 18:34:52 | whardier | the main part |
| 18:35:00 | whardier | the rest installs into /usr/lib/blender/ |
| 18:35:00 | oGMo | i want to make a 3D game, cept i don't even have time to do the stuff i'm supposed to be doing |
| 18:35:05 | angry | o cool |
| 18:35:15 | angry | does it require a lot of resources? |
| 18:35:19 | whardier | 1 little file actually |
| 18:35:23 | whardier | no it doesn't require much |
| 18:35:32 | angry | im going to try to run this on a dell GXa that will be hosting 2 thin clients |
| 18:35:36 | whardier | everything is in GL.. so you might wanna have a fast cpu if you don't have gl accell |
| 18:35:44 | fusion94 | whardier: you have much experience with maya, lightwave or 3ds Max ? |
| 18:35:45 | angry | o |
| 18:35:54 | oGMo | whardier: does it support hw accel now? last time i had a g400 and it croaked mightily |
| 18:36:46 | whardier | UHM |
| 18:36:51 | whardier | sorry |
| 18:36:52 | whardier | uhm |
| 18:36:53 | whardier | heh |
| 18:36:59 | whardier | it has always supported hw accell |
| 18:37:04 | whardier | because it has always depended on mesa |
| 18:37:09 | whardier | for linux |
| 18:37:17 | whardier | for doze it depended on opengl32.dll |
| 18:37:18 | oGMo | yeah |
| 18:38:27 | whardier | just grab the dynamic packages if you have gl accell |
| 18:38:32 | whardier | otherwise the statics might prove just as fast |
| 18:38:37 | whardier | as using dynamic w/o |
| 18:38:45 | whardier | anyhoot |
| 18:38:48 | whardier | time to go check the mail! |
| 18:38:56 | fusion94 | um dude |
| 18:38:59 | fusion94 | it's a holiday |
| 18:39:03 | oGMo | fusion94. |
| 18:39:05 | fusion94 | if you have mail i'll shit |
| 18:39:10 | fusion94 | labor day |
| 18:39:11 | whardier | its a holiday? |
| 18:39:20 | fusion94 | isn't today labor day |
| 18:39:26 | whardier | fuck if I know |
| 18:39:30 | oGMo | in the US anyway it's labor day, which ironically is a day off |
| 18:39:37 | whardier | hmm |
| 18:39:38 | fusion94 | yeah |
| 18:39:42 | fusion94 | same in cananda |
| 18:39:43 | whardier | that explains the meat smell |
| 18:39:47 | fusion94 | so no USPS todya mate |
| 18:39:49 | oGMo | and you do appear to be in north america |
| 18:39:50 | angry | sure is! :) |
| 18:40:08 | oGMo | ok, bbiab |
| 18:40:30 | whardier | I really want my netflix today! |
| 18:41:06 | angry | whardier: i did that for a couple of months, all the dvd's were scratched :-P |
| 18:41:18 | angry | had to rip them before i played them so they woudlnt skip and pause |
| 18:41:23 | whardier | heh |
| 18:41:32 | whardier | I have been ripping the farscape seaason 1 |
| 18:41:38 | whardier | I don't mind netflix |
| 18:41:41 | whardier | I don't have a car.. |
| 18:41:45 | whardier | mine broke |
| 18:41:47 | whardier | so its a godsend |
| 18:42:03 | angry | :) |
| 18:42:09 | whardier | damnit |
| 18:42:09 | whardier | grr |
| 18:42:16 | whardier | I want a new farscape to rip |
| 18:42:24 | angry | lol did you guys hear about lord of the rings: the two towers being leaked already? |
| 18:42:34 | angry | http://www.drudgereport.com/rings.htm |
| 18:42:48 | whardier | btw |
| 18:42:51 | whardier | SIGN ME IF YOU LOVE ME |
| 18:42:52 | whardier | http://www.petitiononline.com/izlovers/petition.html |
| 18:43:01 | whardier | well it |
| 18:43:03 | davv | Anyone have experience with the Z with the Dlink DCF-660W? Seems to have a slimmer antennae than the Dlink DCF-650W with lower PM in sleep mode. Would this work under the Sharp ROM? How about kismit? Can't find specs on Dlink site if it has a prism2/2.5/3 chipset. |
| 18:43:26 | angry | good god i hate that show |
| 18:43:51 | whardier | hate it! |
| 18:43:52 | whardier | ? |
| 18:44:05 | angry | s/hate/"dont understand"/ |
| 18:44:05 | whardier | 81435 Signatures Total |
| 18:44:08 | angry | hehe |
| 18:44:12 | angry | thems a lot of signatures |
| 18:44:17 | whardier | add! |
| 18:44:19 | whardier | 1 more |
| 18:44:20 | whardier | then 1 more |
| 18:44:22 | whardier | then 1 more |
| 18:44:23 | whardier | then 1 more |
| 18:44:36 | Harlekin | Onyx4: got the mail? |
| 18:44:39 | whardier | its one of the most advanced cartoons I have ever seen.. |
| 18:44:48 | angry | i've never seen it |
| 18:44:48 | angry | lol |
| 18:44:57 | whardier | most of it was rendered |
| 18:44:58 | whardier | in the cartoon style |
| 18:44:58 | whardier | heh |
| 18:45:00 | angry | yet i still say i hate it |
| 18:45:06 | whardier | hate/dont understand |
| 18:45:19 | angry | so/dont understand/'ve never seen it/ |
| 18:45:22 | whardier | heh |
| 18:45:24 | whardier | well |
| 18:45:28 | angry | uhoh |
| 18:45:30 | whardier | a friend of mine had zim onhis connectino |
| 18:45:35 | whardier | collected a lot of the episodes |
| 18:45:39 | whardier | saturated his cable connection |
| 18:45:44 | whardier | so we moved it to where I work |
| 18:45:50 | whardier | it saturated 6MBps |
| 18:45:51 | angry | s/"so/dont understand/'ve never seen it/"/"s/dont understand/'ve never seen it/ |
| 18:45:58 | whardier | so we moved it to another place |
| 18:46:06 | whardier | where it pushed 4-5 TB a month |
| 18:46:08 | angry | ahh crap i forgot the last quote |
| 18:46:12 | George- | 69336. |
| 18:46:12 | George- | junger |
| 18:46:12 | George- | i will kill you if i am deprived of gir any longer! |
| 18:46:14 | George- | rofl |
| 18:46:21 | whardier | then they closed that down.. some other dude put it up.. and had some fun things to say about the bandwidth |
| 18:46:32 | angry | s/"s/"so/dont understand/'ve never seen it/"/"s/dont understand/'ve never seen it/"/s/"so/dont understand/'ve never seen it/"/"s/dont understand/'ve never seen it/" |
| 18:46:39 | angry | there we go i think |
| 18:46:42 | angry | i think i forgot one quote |
| 18:46:44 | angry | but im not doing it again |
| 18:47:12 | angry | whardier: lol, so where can we get these episodes now |
| 18:47:12 | whardier | 30.MeganPlease bring back Invader Zim. It is one of the main reasons why I live. Without Zim is like a big whole in my heart. I feel empty of feelings. Please air it again. |
| 18:47:13 | whardier | heh |
| 18:47:20 | George- | lol |
| 18:47:23 | angry | lol |
| 18:47:31 | George- | that person needs a life ;) |
| 18:47:37 | whardier | angry: I can shovel some at you |
| 18:47:40 | whardier | but you have to be polite |
| 18:47:40 | whardier | heh |
| 18:47:46 | angry | i'll sign it because megan seems to like it so much |
| 18:47:52 | whardier | heh |
| 18:47:54 | angry | pretty pretty pleeeease ;) |
| 18:48:05 | whardier | best thing to do is get on giFT and snag it from there |
| 18:48:14 | whardier | are you familiar with the giFT network? |
| 18:48:42 | angry | yeah |
| 18:48:49 | angry | have never been able to connect to a server, though |
| 18:48:51 | angry | it never works |
| 18:48:57 | angry | (signed petition) |
| 18:48:58 | whardier | its not server based |
| 18:49:04 | whardier | mind if I walk you thru it? |
| 18:49:28 | angry | sure |
| 18:49:32 | angry | let me download a client real quick |
| 18:49:42 | whardier | snag it from CVS |
| 18:49:50 | whardier | gran giFT and giFTcurs from sourceforge cvs |
| 18:49:57 | angry | i'm running windows :-/ |
| 18:50:12 | whardier | ouch |
| 18:50:20 | whardier | I dunno if that will ever work |
| 18:50:37 | whardier | let me give you an url |
| 18:50:47 | angry | k |
| 18:51:02 | DrBoB | I didn't know they made xchat for windoze.... nice |
| 18:51:42 | whardier | feels somebody mocking angry |
| 18:51:46 | angry | ;) |
| 18:51:51 | oGMo | yeah i used it because all the other clients suck |
| 18:52:00 | oGMo | it's easier than even mirc to install ;) |
| 18:52:00 | George- | DrBoB: how is that nice? |
| 18:52:03 | noda | xchat is the best Windows AND Linux irc client :) |
| 18:52:06 | whardier | funky! |
| 18:52:09 | whardier | it is for doze! |
| 18:52:46 | DrBoB | ummmm..it gives the windoze people some good software to run? |
| 18:52:47 | George- | noda: I prefer mIRC running on WINE for Linu |
| 18:52:52 | George- | x |
| 18:53:03 | noda | doesn't like mirc. |
| 18:53:42 | whardier | giFT is claiming 4.0PB total shares ATM |
| 18:53:47 | whardier | thats just big |
| 18:53:52 | DrBoB | Doing a version on me will reveal that I'm running Xchat too ..but on a linux box |
| 18:53:58 | angry | PB = petabytes? |
| 18:54:04 | George- | petabytes? |
| 18:54:07 | whardier | biggy bytes |
| 18:54:17 | whardier | it just dropped to 5.5TB |
| 18:54:23 | angry | heh |
| 18:54:24 | George- | is that 4000 terrabytes? |
| 18:54:24 | whardier | I think it was broke |
| 18:55:56 | DrBoB | God, it's hot as hell outside ...I returned yesterday from a 3-day VW Bus campout and almost died from the heat. |
| 18:56:04 | druiid | kergoth: you around? |
| 18:56:17 | angry | does anyone have like an FTP or http site of a crapload of free .ogg's i can snag? |
| 18:56:24 | DrBoB | 1982 VW Camer Bus = no A/C |
| 18:56:25 | angry | or do i have to go to the individual artists' websites |
| 18:56:31 | particule | Any french or german guys there? |
| 18:57:04 | particule | I am looking for a tip on where to buy a wi fi compact flash card for my Z. |
| 18:57:23 | DrBoB | nope ....a USA event,I'm afraid. |
| 18:57:31 | Onyx4 | buy.com has netgear MA701 for 90$ |
| 18:58:16 | DrBoB | in france? uhhhhh .... that's a tough one |
| 18:58:26 | Onyx4 | they ship international I think |
| 18:59:23 | particule | Onyx4: what I see looks expensive... |
| 18:59:35 | particule | I bought a 128 Mo compact flash for 45 euros |
| 19:00:01 | DrBoB | Buy.com ships fast within the USA...I got my Linksys WCF12 in like 2 days |
| 19:00:03 | Onyx4 | yeah the netgear isn't the cheapest, it's just a nice card cause it doesnt block any ports |
| 19:00:24 | Onyx4 | yeah I got my netgear free shipped within like 1 day since I live in california |
| 19:00:29 | Onyx4 | it was like free overnight shipping |
| 19:00:29 | DrBoB | and their price was very low...because they were shipping for free |
| 19:01:59 | DrBoB | the Linksys WCF12 is only like $62 and doesn't block any ports |
| 19:02:03 | chouimat | re |
| 19:02:25 | chouimat | hmmm a 1GB CF for 1499 CDN$ |
| 19:02:29 | Onyx4 | k didn't know about that wfc12 |
| 19:03:59 | DrBoB | I'm still just playing around with it (WCF12) ..I'mtold the range isn't all that good and the power comsumtion is only average |
| 19:04:12 | DrBoB | consumtion rather |
| 19:04:37 | Onyx4 | yeah I see a big different with my netgear MA701 versus my real linksys pcmcia wifi card |
| 19:05:19 | | rumour has it digipower is a small portable battery pack known to work with the Z that provides 3 full charges, output of 8100 is 4.8V/2700mAH DP-4 cable required http://thomas-distributing.com/dp-dps-8100.htm |
| 19:05:19 | Onyx4 | ibot: digipower |
| 19:05:26 | Onyx4 | anybody tried it? |
| 19:06:21 | DrBoB | I'm told the Socket Comm. CF WiFi card is the best.... if you want to lay around $140 on the table for one |
| 19:06:48 | Onyx4 | what kind of chipset is it? |
| 19:07:08 | DrBoB | I don't know |
| 19:07:21 | Onyx4 | i wonder if it works with kismet |
| 19:08:40 | DrBoB | ask THeMastermind ...I think that's the card he has |
| 19:08:55 | diclophis | z0r |
| 19:08:59 | DrBoB | or she... You can never tell these days |
| 19:09:02 | particule | What do you think of the socket wifi card? |
| 19:09:06 | VerxHome | man |
| 19:09:12 | VerxHome | I have been painting this weekend |
| 19:09:16 | VerxHome | today |
| 19:09:22 | VerxHome | I am sweating like a frigging pig |
| 19:09:25 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/gir19.png salute |
| 19:09:33 | VerxHome | painting the vaulted ceilings |
| 19:09:35 | VerxHome | I can confirm |
| 19:09:39 | VerxHome | beyond a shadow of a doubt |
| 19:09:39 | DrBoB | it's rumored to be the best |
| 19:09:43 | VerxHome | hot air rises |
| 19:10:11 | whardier | VerxHome: suck ass dude :( |
| 19:10:13 | DrBoB | so do paint fumes |
| 19:10:20 | Onyx4 | oh it seems to be based on prism2.5 chipset nice |
| 19:10:24 | | wireless is a pain in the @$$ to get working. or http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/wiki/index.php?WirelessCardSupport |
| 19:10:24 | Onyx4 | ibot: wireless |
| 19:10:49 | | benmeyer was last seen on #zaurus 1 days, 21 hours, 16 minutes and 28 seconds ago, saying: ibot author [Sat Aug 31 22:54:21 2002] |
| 19:10:49 | diclophis | ibot seen benmeyer |
| 19:10:52 | cdm | Onyx4: the Socket stuff is nice, but it doesn't have any ROM so you have to program it every time. |
| 19:11:02 | VerxHome | cdm: What do you mean? |
| 19:11:07 | VerxHome | please explain |
| 19:11:15 | TheMasterMind1 | nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 19:11:59 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4 the socket is based on orinoco/hermes chipset |
| 19:12:01 | TheMasterMind1 | i have it |
| 19:12:05 | Onyx4 | oh |
| 19:12:08 | TheMasterMind1 | and it works with kismet |
| 19:12:10 | TheMasterMind1 | because i made it |
| 19:12:11 | TheMasterMind1 | :D |
| 19:12:25 | TheMasterMind1 | i fixed up kismet/modules in the oz source to work with the card |
| 19:12:34 | TheMasterMind1 | should be included in the next release |
| 19:12:37 | TheMasterMind1 | or you can get them from me |
| 19:12:50 | Onyx4 | ok |
| 19:13:03 | cdm | TheMasterMind1: the socket guys are actually shipping the CF one with the ROM onboard now? |
| 19:16:21 | Onyx4 | mmm I dunno if I really need the extra battery life or extended range for the price :) |
| 19:16:21 | VerxHome | can someone explain this bit to me?: "the Socket stuff is nice, but it doesn't have any ROM so you have to program it every time." |
| 19:16:21 | cdm | TheMasterMind1: last time I talked to them they where doing the same thing as the guys at Symbol. |
| 19:16:21 | cdm | VerxHome: There isn't a lot of room on the CF device so one thing some makers of CF 802.11b deivces are doing is removing the ROM with the microcode so you have to have a driver that is smart enough to program it. |
| 19:16:21 | VerxHome | cdm: And you are saying the socket CF card requires that? |
| 19:16:22 | TheMasterMind1 | cdm err, no idea.. |
| 19:16:22 | VerxHome | the Socket WL6000 |
| 19:16:22 | VerxHome | and/or symbol spectrum24 |
| 19:16:22 | TheMasterMind1 | that's what i have |
| 19:16:22 | TheMasterMind1 | the socket |
| 19:16:22 | TheMasterMind1 | and it works just fine |
| 19:16:22 | cdm | VerxHome: last time I talked to the guys at Socket that is what they claimed they where doing with thier devices. |
| 19:16:22 | TheMasterMind1 | what's this about the rom |
| 19:16:22 | particule | Damn. Theses people want to rob me. :o) |
| 19:16:22 | VerxHome | k |
| 19:16:22 | VerxHome | well |
| 19:16:22 | VerxHome | In looking at things |
| 19:16:22 | TheMasterMind1 | oh |
| 19:16:22 | VerxHome | it appears the ambicom card uses even less power than the socket card |
| 19:16:23 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 19:16:23 | cdm | but I wouldn't be surprised if the current prism-esq drivers on Linux had the programming logic. |
| 19:16:23 | cdm | the spectrum24 driver on Linux does. |
| 19:16:23 | TheMasterMind1 | it works fine with the orinoco kernel modules |
| 19:16:23 | TheMasterMind1 | my socket that is |
| 19:16:23 | DrBoB | VerxHome: Advice; get your card from a EU source as you will save money |
| 19:16:36 | VerxHome | DrBoB: I am in the US tho |
| 19:16:57 | TheMasterMind1 | VerxHome it does? who says? |
| 19:17:03 | DrBoB | oh, sorry,that was Particularte I was thing if |
| 19:17:05 | TheMasterMind1 | i thought socket was the least power consuming |
| 19:17:12 | VerxHome | http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/wiki/index.php?WirelessCardSupport |
| 19:17:15 | VerxHome | that page does |
| 19:17:19 | VerxHome | socket uses 20 mz standby |
| 19:17:28 | Onyx4 | hey, if anybody is looking for a very interesting project to port to the Z, look at gpsdrive project, it's a realtime mapping system with GPS |
| 19:17:29 | VerxHome | the ambicom one uses 17 mz standby |
| 19:17:40 | particule | DrBoB: that is what I gonna do |
| 19:17:51 | Onyx4 | it works with X already on the Z, but it would need a QT interface to be awesome |
| 19:17:55 | TheMasterMind1 | what about nonstandby |
| 19:18:02 | VerxHome | it doesn't say |
| 19:18:24 | particule | Socket "low power" ethernet card... |
| 19:18:27 | TheMasterMind1 | err |
| 19:18:32 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't want holes in my card |
| 19:18:34 | TheMasterMind1 | i like the socket |
| 19:18:36 | TheMasterMind1 | no port blocking |
| 19:18:51 | particule | Is it this low? :o) |
| 19:18:56 | VerxHome | the socket just plain costs too frigging much money |
| 19:19:05 | VerxHome | it is double what it should cost |
| 19:19:14 | Onyx4 | netgear ma701 was the only lowcost one I found that had good power consumption and doesnt block any ports |
| 19:19:21 | VerxHome | here we go |
| 19:19:23 | TheMasterMind1 | cdm actually, there's a patch for the orinoco drivers that allows it to work with the socket/symbol |
| 19:19:31 | VerxHome | this ambicom uses 17mA standby |
| 19:19:40 | VerxHome | <370mA to transmit |
| 19:19:44 | VerxHome | and <250 mA to receiv3 |
| 19:19:46 | VerxHome | er, receive |
| 19:20:10 | cdm | TheMasterMind1: then I was right - the kernel drivers are smart enough to program the devices. |
| 19:20:16 | | okay, Onyx4. |
| 19:20:16 | Onyx4 | ibot wireless is also or http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/wirelesscards.shtml |
| 19:20:17 | TheMasterMind1 | cdm yea |
| 19:20:19 | cdm | at the cost of forcing everything to be 60-100K bigger. |
| 19:20:30 | TheMasterMind1 | cdm but as long as it works, does it matter? |
| 19:20:31 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 19:20:32 | TheMasterMind1 | i see |
| 19:20:36 | TheMasterMind1 | that's not too bad though |
| 19:20:37 | Onyx4 | netgear: 80ma standby |
| 19:20:39 | cdm | I think it matters. |
| 19:21:02 | cdm | We went the route of having an external app to program the card. Mind you, when you are a ukernel such things are much easier. |
| 19:21:12 | TheMasterMind1 | VerxHome what is that compared to the socket? transmit andrecieve |
| 19:21:40 | VerxHome | here we go |
| 19:21:51 | VerxHome | 17mA wireless compact flash for $90 |
| 19:21:54 | VerxHome | that is what I am getting |
| 19:22:07 | VerxHome | TONS TONS TONS better than that stupid socket card |
| 19:22:09 | VerxHome | woohooo |
| 19:22:11 | DrBoB | here is the scoop with the DIgipower: It has 4 1800 mAH AA NiH batteries in it. THat means it has about twice the charge of the Z's battery....all combined (Z battery + Digipower) you get three times the life. |
| 19:22:48 | Onyx4 | is that the 8100 or 8200? |
| 19:23:10 | TheMasterMind1 | VerxHome someone else got an abicom on ebay for 50 or something.. but keep in mind it blocks the stylus and headphone jack! |
| 19:23:10 | Onyx4 | I found that 8100=4.8V and 8200=6V |
| 19:23:22 | VerxHome | TheMasterMind1: I could care less |
| 19:23:26 | VerxHome | I will just trim it down |
| 19:23:27 | VerxHome | :) |
| 19:23:31 | George- | Dr_Who: hrmm |
| 19:23:32 | George- | er.. |
| 19:23:34 | | okay, TheMasterMind1. |
| 19:23:34 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot digipower is also 8100=4.8V and 8200=6V |
| 19:23:38 | George- | DrBoB: 1800mAH eh? |
| 19:23:44 | George- | I wonder what mine are... |
| 19:24:14 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot digipower is also has 1800 mAH AA NiH - about twice the charge of the Z' -- all combined (Z battery + Digipower) you get three times the life |
| 19:24:31 | DrBoB | yes..that's the same battery the company is selling but packaged into a multicell battery pack |
| 19:24:34 | | digipower is a small portable battery pack known to work with the Z that provides 3 full charges, output of 8100 is 4.8V/2700mAH DP-4 cable required http://thomas-distributing.com/dp-dps-8100.htm or 8100=4.8V and 8200=6V |
| 19:24:34 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot digipower |
| 19:24:50 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 19:24:51 | TheMasterMind1 | didn't work |
| 19:24:54 | TheMasterMind1 | too long i guess |
| 19:25:09 | George- | I've got 1500's |
| 19:25:10 | | okay, TheMasterMind1. |
| 19:25:10 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot digipower is also has 1800 mAH AA NiH |
| 19:25:10 | George- | ;) |
| 19:25:20 | DrBoB | I bet the capacity is overrated |
| 19:25:25 | George- | 6000mAH |
| 19:25:25 | particule | 275 euros for a compact flash... I am a client, not a sponsor! !o) |
| 19:25:27 | George- | not bad |
| 19:25:42 | Onyx4 | DrBoB: you got one? |
| 19:26:31 | DrBoB | no, I just have played around with battery packs before.... it has to be some combination of standard cells |
| 19:27:04 | DrBoB | perhaps they are using A size instead of AA size cells |
| 19:27:18 | DrBoB | A size is like a fat AA |
| 19:27:27 | George- | DrBoB: What would 4x1500mAH be like, then? :) |
| 19:27:49 | Cloud-Z | ok ijust installed rh 7.3 and it did not detect my wireless card like it did in 7.2 |
| 19:27:51 | George- | should I make a battery pack for my Z? |
| 19:27:55 | George- | ponders |
| 19:28:16 | Cloud-Z | and its not in the list |
| 19:28:36 | George- | Cloud-Z: what IRC client u using? |
| 19:28:51 | Cloud-Z | anyone have any ideas> |
| 19:29:03 | particule | You needed an adapter for your ma401, no? |
| 19:29:10 | Cloud-Z | right now tkcjabber |
| 19:29:11 | DrBoB | Get a power coaxial plug and some wire and solder yourself up a nice 4-cell |
| 19:29:25 | Onyx4 | zic 0.2 is better than jabber for IRC |
| 19:29:32 | Onyx4 | since jabber doesnt support private msg |
| 19:29:40 | DrBoB | THen cover it in heatshrink tubing |
| 19:29:47 | Cloud-Z | zic dont work on oz |
| 19:29:47 | jmh|homework | ... |
| 19:29:55 | Onyx4 | it works on mine |
| 19:29:58 | jmh|homework | the Furby suffered heavy damage? |
| 19:30:06 | jmh|homework | .... |
| 19:30:15 | Cloud-Z | not on mine |
| 19:30:19 | | Onyx4: i'm not following you... |
| 19:30:19 | Onyx4 | ibot: zfurby |
| 19:30:20 | jmh|homework | cool |
| 19:30:36 | Harlekin | Onyx4: got the ipk? |
| 19:30:40 | | jmh|homework: what? |
| 19:30:40 | jmh|homework | ibot furby |
| 19:30:48 | Onyx4 | I have the ipk that worked on my Z yes |
| 19:31:26 | angry | hey you hear about xbox linux |
| 19:31:38 | angry | they got SuSe running with KDE and stuff |
| 19:31:42 | Cloud-Z | any ideas for laptop? 'i know its off topic |
| 19:31:45 | Onyx4 | http://onyx4.dhs.org/feed/zic-0.2.ipk |
| 19:32:46 | Onyx4 | that zic worked for me, I think all I had to do was install it on my SD card, and THEN create the symlinks manually |
| 19:32:51 | angry | ooh plus a /. article on the a300 |
| 19:32:52 | Onyx4 | one 3 of them to create |
| 19:33:05 | George- | angry: is the xbox standard x86? |
| 19:33:11 | DrBoB | URL? |
| 19:34:03 | angry | George-: not sure |
| 19:34:11 | LordDavon | Heya everyone. |
| 19:34:18 | angry | http://xbox-linux.sourceforge.net/ |
| 19:34:27 | particule | Can I use any pcmcia/compact flash adapter with ma401? |
| 19:34:35 | particule | (must sound stupid, but...) |
| 19:34:37 | noda | George-: The xbox is a Celeron with a GeForce 3 |
| 19:34:49 | Onyx4 | particule: no |
| 19:39:28 | particule | Huuuuuuuum... There is also a ma701... |
| 19:41:01 | George- | noda: that's stupid |
| 19:41:12 | George- | noda: It's a 733MHz Celeron, iirc, right? |
| 19:41:13 | Onyx4 | ma701 is the one I'm using |
| 19:41:17 | noda | George-: Something like that. |
| 19:41:37 | George- | noda: and what OS does it normally run? |
| 19:41:45 | noda | George-: Dunno. |
| 19:41:58 | noda | Maybe it's some stripped-down version of Windows CE or something. |
| 19:42:07 | George- | noda: I didn't know wince ran on x86? |
| 19:42:21 | noda | George-: *shrug* I dunno either. |
| 19:42:37 | George- | perhaps it's run OS X-x86! |
| 19:42:40 | Cloud-Z | ran out of memory |
| 19:42:46 | Cloud-Z | bleh |
| 19:43:04 | KhensU | it's a stripped down 2000 |
| 19:44:01 | particule | Pfff... They do not mention the chipset of the ma701 in their "datasheet" |
| 19:45:35 | Cloud-Z | cries |
| 19:46:28 | ibz | hola |
| 19:49:07 | TheMasterMind1 | /me cries louder |
| 19:49:09 | TheMasterMind1 | beh |
| 19:49:55 | Cloudchaser | yay! |
| 19:50:02 | Cloudchaser | it worked! |
| 19:50:26 | VerxHome | Cloudchaser: What did? |
| 19:50:44 | Cloudchaser | hehe i had to pick a different aironet card than what i have |
| 19:50:51 | Cloudchaser | trying out rh 7.3 |
| 19:50:57 | VerxHome | oh |
| 19:50:59 | VerxHome | heh |
| 19:50:59 | Cloudchaser | 7.2 auto dected my card |
| 19:51:03 | VerxHome | hates rh |
| 19:51:06 | Cloudchaser | detected |
| 19:51:48 | particule | Anyone knows what the chipset of the netgear ma701 is? Uncle google does not know, nor netgear datashit |
| 19:54:44 | Cloudchaser | s'ok verx if you hate it |
| 19:54:55 | Cloudchaser | i like it and so i use it.. you don't and so you don't use it |
| 19:55:37 | TheMasterMind1 | atleast its not xp :D |
| 19:55:50 | TheMasterMind1 | rh and mandrake have their place |
| 19:56:40 | TheMasterMind1 | treke|home ! |
| 19:56:54 | TheMasterMind1 | treke|home your php is very insecure :o\ |
| 19:57:05 | treke|home | TheMasterMind1: what php? |
| 19:57:15 | TheMasterMind1 | treke.com |
| 19:57:17 | treke|home | eh? |
| 19:57:18 | TheMasterMind1 | or .net |
| 19:57:28 | treke|home | thats fine by me :) |
| 19:57:29 | TheMasterMind1 | oh? |
| 19:57:35 | TheMasterMind1 | so i can kill your webserver and you won't mind? |
| 19:57:39 | treke|home | sure |
| 19:57:42 | TheMasterMind1 | sweet |
| 19:57:56 | noda | Ooh, where do we read the PHP? :) |
| 19:58:04 | TheMasterMind1 | everyone go to http://treke.net/index.php?node=index |
| 19:58:42 | particule | Grrrrrrrr... What are those datasheets not even mentioning the chipset of a card... |
| 19:59:16 | TheMasterMind1 | particule what card? |
| 19:59:27 | treke|home | although I could have sworn I fixed some of that long ago :) |
| 19:59:29 | noda | What I really love is when PHP newbies do a "view source" program, i.e., "http://www.example.com/viewsource.php?file=/etc/shadow" :) |
| 19:59:42 | particule | TheMasterMind1: netgear ma701 |
| 20:00:06 | TheMasterMind1 | treke|home some but not all. you disabled foriegn urls but its still vunerable |
| 20:00:16 | TheMasterMind1 | particule its a prism chipset.. why? |
| 20:00:26 | treke|home | TheMasterMind1: Well I was pretty sure I had disabled anything that was under the web root |
| 20:00:26 | particule | TheMasterMind1: where do you read that it is a prism chipset? |
| 20:00:44 | particule | I want to get sure before eventually ordering it for my Z |
| 20:00:50 | TheMasterMind1 | treke|home right, but index.php isn't under |
| 20:01:04 | noda | lol, in security you're supposed to ENABLE certain things, not DISABLE everything else :) |
| 20:01:12 | TheMasterMind1 | treke|home it goes into a never ending loop, including inself again and again |
| 20:01:35 | noda | Heh, good test for a browser, too :) |
| 20:01:36 | George- | woot? A300 slashdotted |
| 20:01:38 | TheMasterMind1 | treke|home shouldn't use that format of page anyway. always have a header and footer file and include those in the page not include the page in a template |
| 20:01:42 | TheMasterMind1 | and use include_once() |
| 20:01:43 | treke|home | TheMasterMind1: TheMasterMind1 yup. |
| 20:01:44 | TheMasterMind1 | :D |
| 20:01:55 | noda | Or require_once() :) |
| 20:02:00 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
| 20:02:12 | treke|home | TheMasterMind1: I'm typically better with my php. dont really put much effor into that one :) |
| 20:02:21 | George- | what version of Qtopia does the A300 run? |
| 20:02:24 | George- | a hacked 1.5.0? |
| 20:02:29 | TheMasterMind1 | too bad you disabled urls though.. i have fun including http:// .php files and executing arbritary .php code on machines |
| 20:02:46 | noda | Heh :) |
| 20:02:54 | noda | Some people's PHP is so easy :) |
| 20:03:34 | George- | man, that documents tab looks *too* sweet |
| 20:03:41 | particule | TheMasterMind1: excuse me, how do you know that the ma701 is prism based? |
| 20:03:42 | George- | cries |
| 20:05:28 | chouimat | George-: again? |
| 20:05:43 | TheMasterMind1 | particule all netgears are prism based |
| 20:05:54 | George- | chouimat: ? |
| 20:05:59 | TheMasterMind1 | afaik |
| 20:06:04 | chouimat | George-: you cry angain |
| 20:06:16 | George- | chouimat: yes |
| 20:06:25 | George- | chouimat: I weep whenever I see that documents tab |
| 20:06:33 | chouimat | George-: A300? |
| 20:06:49 | George- | yes |
| 20:06:52 | chouimat | George-: do you know if the 1GB CF work with the zaurus? |
| 20:06:55 | George- | yes |
| 20:07:07 | TheMasterMind1 | chouimat yes, but it gets up to 70Celsuius! |
| 20:07:11 | TheMasterMind1 | Celsius |
| 20:07:14 | TheMasterMind1 | not recommended |
| 20:07:20 | chouimat | George-: ok :) I just need to find 1500$ :( |
| 20:07:21 | TheMasterMind1 | you'll burn something out |
| 20:08:10 | George- | $1500? |
| 20:08:34 | chouimat | George-: yes the 1GB Compact Flash is 1500$ |
| 20:08:55 | George- | uhhh |
| 20:09:01 | George- | is that Canadian dollars? |
| 20:09:19 | chouimat | George-: not the microdrive, yes canadian dollar |
| 20:09:50 | George- | oh, not the microdrive? |
| 20:09:52 | George- | why not? =P |
| 20:10:05 | George- | I assume that the 1GB CF does, cos the 1GB uDrive does |
| 20:10:12 | chouimat | George-: flash disk |
| 20:10:38 | DrBoB | When is Canada going to join the EU ? |
| 20:11:19 | burtonator | ug... my qtopia GUI won't but... just dumps me to the console with a 'bus error' |
| 20:11:25 | chouimat | DrBoB: don't know |
| 20:11:43 | George- | why the heck would Canada join the EU? |
| 20:11:52 | chouimat | George-: www.sandisk.com/consumer/cf_card.asp |
| 20:12:08 | TheMasterMind1 | you guys seen the new sd wifi card? |
| 20:12:18 | George- | chouimat: yes, I've seen it |
| 20:12:19 | DrBoB | oooohhhhh I want one |
| 20:12:22 | George- | chouimat: it's expensive |
| 20:12:31 | burtonator | how do I start qtopia manually? |
| 20:12:41 | chouimat | George-: very expansive. 1500 CDN$ :( |
| 20:13:09 | chouimat | DrBoB: the compact flash? |
| 20:13:49 | burtonator | it says 'unknown processor type' |
| 20:13:50 | burtonator | fuck! |
| 20:15:06 | DrBoB | no chouimat I want the SD WiFi card |
| 20:15:31 | chouimat | DrBoB: url? |
| 20:15:31 | treke|home | DrBoB: too bad they wont work in a z :( |
| 20:15:52 | chouimat | treke|home: work with palm? |
| 20:16:08 | treke|home | do palms have sd slots? |
| 20:16:31 | chouimat | treke|home: mine have one |
| 20:16:47 | treke|home | chouimat: beats the hell out of me |
| 20:17:44 | DrBoB | yes, the newer palms do have a sd slot |
| 20:17:53 | Cloudchaser | well if it breaks...i'll start all over again |
| 20:17:59 | Cloudchaser | never updated a kernel before |
| 20:22:26 | Cloudchaser | hey it looked like rh 7.3 had usb support in it |
| 20:22:26 | TheMasterMind1 | burtonator opie always says "unknown processor" |
| 20:22:26 | Cloudchaser | does that mean i don't have to compile the kernel and all that? |
| 20:22:27 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
| 20:22:28 | Cloudchaser | ooh nifty |
| 20:22:28 | Cloudchaser | i didn't use usb on my other laptop, just wireless |
| 20:23:06 | DrBoB | mmmmmmm... Ramen Noodles! One of the basic four food groups |
| 20:24:44 | nobse | hi |
| 20:25:15 | nobse | somebody here using rom 2.38? my Z is flashing the rom now since over 10 minutes :-/ |
| 20:29:53 | DrBoB | Give it 20 Min...it takes lots of time |
| 20:30:09 | DrBoB | are lights stoll on? |
| 20:30:14 | DrBoB | still on? |
| 20:31:07 | nobse | yes... its still flashing, both lights are on |
| 20:31:28 | nobse | the last times I flashed my Z it takes not longer than 5 minutes |
| 20:32:31 | DrBoB | I would hate to think something went wrong |
| 20:32:49 | nobse | humm |
| 20:34:47 | DrBoB | how are you flaashing? via the USB port? |
| 20:35:25 | nobse | DrBoB: no, via cf card |
| 20:35:56 | comfrey | feeling? |
| 20:35:58 | comfrey | oops |
| 20:37:17 | nobse | oh, lights are off :) |
| 20:37:32 | George- | wow |
| 20:37:39 | George- | that mesh networking idea looks cool |
| 20:37:49 | DrBoB | well, that's easy to fix...start it all over again and see if the reflashing goes well this time....if not..you will need to re-write your image onto the CF card |
| 20:38:13 | DrBoB | congrats |
| 20:39:04 | George- | bye all |
| 20:39:30 | George- | nobse: and next time, ROMBURST the ROMIMAGE file ;) |
| 20:39:57 | George- | OK, bye all |
| 20:43:55 | TheMasterMind1 | treke|home treke.net/index.php?node=template |
| 20:45:10 | Saihung | my network and SD-card icons have gone "invisible". If I click on the spot where they're supposed to be I still get the expected result, but the icons themselves are gone. Anyone have this happen before? |
| 20:47:19 | TheMasterMind1 | Saihung yea, its weird.. |
| 20:47:23 | TheMasterMind1 | you can umount them from console |
| 20:47:26 | TheMasterMind1 | and then reinsert |
| 20:47:35 | TheMasterMind1 | cardctl eject for network |
| 20:47:38 | TheMasterMind1 | umount /mnt/card for sd |
| 20:47:41 | Saihung | i mean on the taskbar |
| 20:47:46 | treke|home | TheMasterMind1: having fun? |
| 20:47:56 | Saihung | the little graphical icons are not there, although there are blank spaces there for them |
| 20:48:10 | TheMasterMind1 | treke|home yep, too bad php has memory restrictions. it stops after 200 pages |
| 20:48:15 | Saihung | and pressing the blank space gives you the menu that you expect |
| 20:48:31 | treke|home | TheMasterMind1: enjoy |
| 20:48:38 | Saihung | so I can still unmount cards by clicking on the little space where the card icon used to be |
| 20:48:47 | Saihung | but I want to know how to get the graphic back |
| 20:48:52 | Saihung | this is very strange |
| 20:51:21 | Saihung | any ideas? maybe a .png file somewhere got deleted or renamed? |
| 20:51:26 | Saihung | I don't know where to look for them |
| 20:51:39 | NetAmp | The 5500 doesn't know PDF files by default, does it? |
| 20:52:12 | w6bi | NetAmp: I don't think any *nix does; you'd need something similar to xpdf to display PDF files (IMO) |
| 20:52:15 | Saihung | opera does |
| 20:52:25 | TheMasterMind1 | get qpdf |
| 20:52:27 | TheMasterMind1 | opie-qpdf |
| 20:52:33 | TheMasterMind1 | for OZ anyway |
| 20:52:34 | w6bi | There ya go :-) |
| 20:52:35 | TheMasterMind1 | Saihung no idea.. |
| 20:52:41 | NetAmp | hm.. 'kay thanks ;) |
| 20:52:47 | Saihung | damn |
| 20:52:58 | TheMasterMind1 | Saihung try suspending and resuming |
| 20:53:02 | TheMasterMind1 | that might refresh the graphic |
| 20:53:03 | Saihung | how annoying. i uninstalled qtgnuboy and they just vanished |
| 20:53:13 | TheMasterMind1 | all of them? |
| 20:53:15 | Saihung | tryed restarting qtopia AND the whole system |
| 20:53:21 | TheMasterMind1 | wowo |
| 20:53:22 | TheMasterMind1 | weird |
| 20:53:25 | Saihung | no, volume and battery are still there |
| 20:53:30 | TheMasterMind1 | this is in OZ or sharp? |
| 20:53:32 | Saihung | but sd card and network are invisible |
| 20:53:37 | Saihung | sharp |
| 20:54:02 | darienm | Saihung: that happens to me sometimes when in/uninstalling software. |
| 20:54:09 | darienm | Saihung: A reboot fixes it |
| 20:54:41 | Saihung | didn't in my case. they're still invisible |
| 20:55:29 | darienm | A reboot, not just restart qtopia ? |
| 20:55:44 | George- | ugh |
| 20:55:55 | George- | /usr/include/linux/version.h:2: #error "=======================================================" |
| 20:55:55 | George- | /usr/include/linux/version.h:3: #error "You should not include /usr/include/{linux,asm}/ header" |
| 20:55:55 | George- | /usr/include/linux/version.h:4: #error "files directly for the compilation of kernel modules." |
| 20:55:55 | George- | /usr/include/linux/version.h:5: #error "" |
| 20:56:01 | George- | and so on... |
| 20:56:01 | George- | there's about 40 lines |
| 20:56:02 | George- | heh |
| 20:56:07 | Saihung | right, full reboot |
| 20:56:09 | Saihung | no effect |
| 20:56:16 | Saihung | anyone know where those graphic files live? |
| 20:57:01 | darienm | /home/QtPalmtop/pics/ |
| 20:57:12 | Saihung | ok |
| 20:57:18 | Saihung | lots of files there |
| 20:57:27 | darienm | yeah, ALL the pics |
| 20:57:32 | Saihung | nice move |
| 20:57:51 | Saihung | now, which ones would be for the taskbar icons... |
| 20:57:55 | George- | hey darienm |
| 20:57:59 | darienm | George- |
| 20:58:09 | George- | darienm: why isn't the sharp mobile services working? |
| 20:58:35 | darienm | George-: I suspect a software issue, I'm about to completely re-flash my Z with 2.38 (using 2.20 now) and hope it helps. |
| 20:58:50 | George- | darienm: cool |
| 20:58:56 | darienm | no, not cool |
| 20:59:01 | darienm | I didn't want to reflash |
| 20:59:07 | darienm | things are working fine now. |
| 20:59:12 | darienm | except for SM |
| 20:59:19 | TheMasterMind1 | still running 2.20?! |
| 20:59:20 | TheMasterMind1 | why?? |
| 20:59:32 | Saihung | 2.38 is out? |
| 20:59:54 | Saihung | i'm using 2.37. maybe a flash will cure what ails me |
| 21:00:01 | George- | darienm: you can just backup /home |
| 21:00:11 | George- | Saihung: what's your prob? |
| 21:00:29 | Saihung | invisible taskbar icons for SD card and network |
| 21:00:34 | darienm | George-: I'm a total linux geek - I've geeked out my z since day one, its not just /home I'm worried about |
| 21:00:38 | Saihung | the spaces are there, and they'r'e clickable |
| 21:00:41 | Saihung | but the icons are not |
| 21:00:44 | TheMasterMind1 | grr! |
| 21:00:45 | George- | darienm: oh |
| 21:00:55 | George- | darienm: but only /home is rw |
| 21:01:02 | TheMasterMind1 | darienm why not run oz? |
| 21:01:17 | darienm | TheMasterMind1: I love OZ, but I fear SM won't run on it. |
| 21:01:24 | George- | darienm: you can try :) |
| 21:01:25 | TheMasterMind1 | try it |
| 21:01:28 | darienm | TheMasterMind1: I've installed OZ on 2 of my other Z's |
| 21:01:28 | George- | darienm: if you're gonna reflash |
| 21:01:29 | TheMasterMind1 | if it doesn't, kergoth will fix it |
| 21:01:35 | George- | darienm: what? |
| 21:01:49 | darienm | well, friend's Z's |
| 21:01:51 | George- | darienm: why not try the Sharp Services on one of the other 2 |
| 21:01:55 | darienm | but I'm responsible for them. |
| 21:01:58 | darienm | They are not here |
| 21:02:03 | George- | oh |
| 21:04:14 | Saihung | is there a url for 2.38? |
| 21:04:20 | Saihung | it doesn't seem to be on myzaurus |
| 21:04:28 | Saihung | <-- idiot neophyte |
| 21:04:34 | fat-away | Saihung its there |
| 21:04:49 | fat-away | http://www.myzaurus.com/downloads/ROM4/OSPACK |
| 21:04:51 | fat-away | right there |
| 21:04:59 | | ibot was last seen on #bzflag 6 days, 21 hours, 37 minutes and 44 seconds ago, saying: ibot insult ibot [Tue Aug 27 00:27:15 2002] |
| 21:04:59 | Fatbum | ibot seen ibot |
| 21:05:12 | | ibot is nothing but a lewd-minded bucket of ill-borne seagull puke. |
| 21:05:12 | Fatbum | ibot insult ibot |
| 21:05:28 | Fatbum | hates ibot |
| 21:05:41 | Fatbum | requests that if you hate ibot, go ahead and exist |
| 21:05:47 | Fatbum | good job every1 |
| 21:06:00 | | die is DADO, DADO, DADO!!!! |
| 21:06:00 | George- | ibot die |
| 21:06:03 | | George-: what? |
| 21:06:03 | George- | ibot kill me |
| 21:06:07 | George- | ugh |
| 21:06:15 | | ACTION suffocates George- to death with a stack of picogui t-shirts |
| 21:06:15 | KallDrexx | ibot kill picogui |
| 21:06:17 | Saihung | any major changes in this one? |
| 21:06:18 | KallDrexx | :D |
| 21:06:20 | darienm | Saihung: he means http://www.myzaurus.com/romupdate4.asp |
| 21:06:28 | darienm | George-: I would flash OZ but I don't have a CF card |
| 21:06:43 | Fatbum | http://www.myzaurus.com/downloads/ROM4/OSPACK |
| 21:06:48 | Fatbum | darienmsuck |
| 21:06:57 | Fatbum | oops howd that get there |
| 21:07:09 | darienm | Fatbum: that won't get him to all the files he needs. |
| 21:07:15 | Fatbum | thats all you need |
| 21:07:20 | Fatbum | unless you are worthelss |
| 21:07:20 | darienm | Fatbum: not true |
| 21:07:20 | Saihung | that's what I mean |
| 21:07:27 | NetAmp | l8r guys |
| 21:07:37 | Saihung | i go to myzaurus and I only see 2.37 |
| 21:07:37 | Saihung | and I might be worthless |
| 21:07:37 | Saihung | remains to be seen |
| 21:07:42 | darienm | Saihung: he means http://www.myzaurus.com/romupdate4.asp |
| 21:07:50 | Fatbum | ROM Version: 2.38, July 22, 2002 |
| 21:07:54 | Fatbum | http://www.myzaurus.com/downloads/ROM4/OSPACK |
| 21:07:56 | Fatbum | thats all you need |
| 21:07:58 | Fatbum | unless you are worthelss |
| 21:08:08 | darienm | Fatbum: you are not being helpful to Saihung or to anyone. |
| 21:08:16 | Fatbum | how is that? |
| 21:08:21 | Fatbum | he wanted the fuckin rom thats it |
| 21:08:22 | Fatbum | ROM Version: 2.38, July 22, 2002 |
| 21:08:29 | Fatbum | http://www.myzaurus.com/downloads/ROM4/OSPACK |
| 21:08:29 | darienm | Fatbum: unless you will babysit him and show him how to load the OSpack from a CF card he probably doesn't have. |
| 21:08:31 | Fatbum | right there |
| 21:08:37 | Saihung | actually |
| 21:08:40 | Fatbum | see! |
| 21:08:43 | Saihung | i've flashed my zaurus before |
| 21:08:48 | Saihung | and I have a cf card |
| 21:08:49 | Fatbum | whos stupid now? |
| 21:08:54 | Fatbum | Saihung up high! |
| 21:08:55 | Fatbum | woot |
| 21:09:05 | Fatbum | high-fives saihung |
| 21:09:18 | darienm | the other URL provides the instructions and more than one download option. |
| 21:09:27 | darienm | its the friendlier address to send someone to |
| 21:09:28 | Saihung | but anyway |
| 21:09:28 | Fatbum | Saihung do you care? |
| 21:09:38 | Saihung | i do, actually |
| 21:09:41 | Fatbum | good |
| 21:09:49 | George- | Fatbum: heh, who are you? :) |
| 21:09:54 | Fatbum | sorry for telling you what you wanted |
| 21:09:58 | Saihung | but anyway |
| 21:10:03 | Saihung | off to philosophy class |
| 21:10:06 | Saihung | thanks for the help |
| 21:10:14 | Saihung | i'm sure i'll be back to harrass you later |
| 21:11:28 | Fatbum | goes and installs linux |
| 21:16:04 | George- | woow |
| 21:16:05 | George- | woot |
| 21:16:14 | George- | I just opened the batt compartment, and a screw fell out |
| 21:16:19 | George- | lol |
| 21:16:25 | darienm | lucky you |
| 21:16:26 | George- | I prolly didn't put it back together properly |
| 21:16:30 | darienm | you just got 'screwed' |
| 21:16:34 | George- | darienm: haha |
| 21:16:40 | George- | rofl |
| 21:20:01 | George- | darienm: that was a pretty shocking joke |
| 21:25:37 | chouimat | yurk! Religious Spam! |
| 21:25:56 | George- | chouimat: LOL |
| 21:26:44 | George- | chouimat: of what type? |
| 21:26:59 | jmhodges | LOL |
| 21:27:29 | George- | "Scientifically proven methods to boost your moral! Come to church today!" |
| 21:28:08 | chouimat | George-: seven step to heaven. etc ... |
| 21:28:14 | jmhodges | lol |
| 21:28:18 | jmhodges | rofl |
| 21:28:44 | chouimat | first step: became a mormon ... |
| 21:28:49 | erikd | god i'm tired =/ |
| 21:29:32 | George- | lmao |
| 21:29:37 | George- | rofl |
| 21:29:42 | George- | hrmm |
| 21:29:47 | George- | ownloading http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/3.0/qt-embedded_2.3.3-21_arm.ipk |
| 21:29:47 | George- | 2.3.3??? |
| 21:31:24 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
| 21:31:29 | TheMasterMind1 | it was updated yesterday |
| 21:31:52 | George- | hrmm |
| 21:31:52 | George- | kewllllll |
| 21:32:16 | imm | hi |
| 21:32:23 | George- | oh no |
| 21:32:26 | George- | ducks |
| 21:32:43 | | George- is nothing but an uninspiring puddle of malt-wormy dog balls. |
| 21:32:43 | imm | ibot insult George- |
| 21:32:47 | George- | chouimat: more like "first step: become a moron" |
| 21:33:01 | George- | chouimat: "second step: become an idiot" |
| 21:36:15 | imm | chouimat: news ? |
| 21:36:15 | George- | ... |
| 21:36:15 | George- | chouimat: "seventh step: Become one of us" |
| 21:36:15 | George- | ;) |
| 21:36:16 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 21:36:16 | George- | I wish the cradle had a) a way of opening the keyboard, and b) an activity LED |
| 21:36:16 | TheMasterMind1 | is chouimat talking? becuase i'm not getting any of his messages. |
| 21:36:16 | George- | TheMasterMind1: he's not :) |
| 21:36:16 | George- | imm: chouimat got spam from a religious society ;) |
| 21:36:16 | imm | George-: oops :) |
| 21:36:16 | imm | TheMasterMind1: George- likes to talk to himself ;) |
| 21:36:16 | TheMasterMind1 | i noticed |
| 21:36:17 | imm | TheMasterMind1: his aggrieved by MArkNovak for live |
| 21:37:21 | imm | chouimat: i would like to express my condolences |
| 21:38:36 | mutexer | anyone have an idea what would cause my app to use so much memory when Im reading from a file? |
| 21:41:28 | George- | imm: arse! |
| 21:41:46 | George- | imm: I hate novak, I don't want anything to do with that *£%"$ |
| 21:43:42 | mark | George-: im off now, and back to school tomorrow. have fun |
| 21:44:04 | George- | bye |
| 21:48:36 | W|GGL|T | how do i get my WAP to throw bandwidth further out...more range? |
| 21:48:43 | W|GGL|T | external antennae? |
| 21:49:07 | George- | put the aerial all around the house? :) |
| 21:49:11 | George- | hrmm |
| 21:49:19 | George- | ipkg upgrade is hanging on opie-filebrowser |
| 21:49:25 | KhensU | pringles can ;) |
| 21:49:51 | W|GGL|T | that's uni-directional, no? |
| 21:50:40 | W|GGL|T | the linksys WAPs have removable antennas...looks like you can remove them and attach third party ones |
| 21:50:43 | George- | TheMasterMind1: ping |
| 21:52:01 | TheMasterMind1 | ? |
| 21:52:04 | TheMasterMind1 | wtf |
| 21:53:02 | George- | TheMasterMind1: opie-filebrowser package I *think* is corrupt |
| 21:54:02 | mutexer | how can I find out how much some variables are taking up in memory |
| 21:54:56 | treke|home | mutexer: sizeof (type) |
| 21:55:36 | George- | # gunzip opie-filebrowser_0.9.1-20020901_arm.tar.gz |
| 21:55:36 | George- | gunzip: Invalid gzip magic |
| 21:55:39 | George- | It's corrupt |
| 21:56:04 | mutexer | QString returning 4 sound right? |
| 21:56:27 | treke|home | mutexer: ah thats another story :) |
| 21:56:55 | mutexer | IM running out of memory when I load my maps....I cant figure out why |
| 21:57:52 | mutexer | if IM doing QString s; s = t.readLine(); ...I do that over and over reusing the variable...is it freeing the previous or waiting till the QString is deconstructed? |
| 21:58:08 | treke|home | mutexer: mutexer a QString uses a lot of dynamic memory, I think the sizeof a class is simply the size of a pointer |
| 21:58:12 | mutexer | (doing this line s = t.readLine(); over and over |
| 21:58:59 | mutexer | my map file has 833 lines...its crashing the zaurus by taking up all the memory |
| 21:59:02 | treke|home | mutexer: check the source :) |
| 21:59:32 | George- | TheMasterMind1: hrmm, strange |
| 21:59:38 | George- | TheMasterMind1: It was an "ar" archive |
| 21:59:42 | George- | TheMasterMind1: Looked OK |
| 21:59:56 | George- | TheMasterMind1: I changed it to a tar.gz, and it still won't work |
| 22:00:13 | TheMasterMind1 | um |
| 22:00:13 | TheMasterMind1 | sigh.. |
| 22:00:20 | TheMasterMind1 | the ipkg format changed |
| 22:00:25 | TheMasterMind1 | its ar -> .tar.gz now |
| 22:00:31 | TheMasterMind1 | targz inside an ar |
| 22:00:36 | George- | right. |
| 22:00:36 | TheMasterMind1 | get a newer ipkg or something |
| 22:00:42 | George- | ? |
| 22:00:51 | George- | I got the latest |
| 22:03:30 | W|GGL|T | doesn't know why everyone's getting so wet over the A300 |
| 22:03:44 | TheMasterMind1 | me either |
| 22:03:53 | TheMasterMind1 | i like the sl5500 better |
| 22:03:57 | TheMasterMind1 | keyboard/sd/cf |
| 22:04:01 | TheMasterMind1 | its not that big either |
| 22:04:09 | TheMasterMind1 | look at the ipaq, that thing is fucking huge |
| 22:04:13 | TheMasterMind1 | especially with all its jackets |
| 22:04:31 | George- | dual PCMCIA :) |
| 22:04:40 | George- | plus external keyboard |
| 22:04:41 | W|GGL|T | its a good size if you've little hands like most japanese do |
| 22:04:44 | George- | == brick ;) |
| 22:04:51 | George- | W|GGL|T: lol |
| 22:05:14 | W|GGL|T | i cant imagine the sl5500 being that size with MY hands |
| 22:05:52 | W|GGL|T | it doesn't even look all that hot, IMO |
| 22:06:22 | George- | IMHO, the 5x00[D] looks more stylish |
| 22:06:39 | W|GGL|T | ditto |
| 22:06:45 | W|GGL|T | more 'geeky' |
| 22:06:45 | W|GGL|T | heh |
| 22:06:53 | George- | the A300's cradle looks... |
| 22:06:54 | George- | sick |
| 22:06:55 | George- | :) |
| 22:07:16 | TheMasterMind1 | the a300 is pretty fugly too |
| 22:07:32 | TheMasterMind1 | the sl5500 is secksie |
| 22:07:36 | TheMasterMind1 | quite fuckable |
| 22:07:41 | George- | the A300 doesn't have a screen protection cover :) |
| 22:07:51 | TheMasterMind1 | fucks his Z |
| 22:07:55 | George- | TheMasterMind1: I'll update from the opie.net.wox.org feed... tomorrow ;) |
| 22:07:57 | George- | I'm off to bed |
| 22:07:59 | George- | bye!!!! |
| 22:08:05 | George- | TheMasterMind1: Sick man! |
| 22:08:06 | TheMasterMind1 | opie.net.wox is OLD! |
| 22:08:08 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 22:08:12 | TheMasterMind1 | their feed is like 20 days old now |
| 22:08:15 | George- | TheMasterMind1: 2 days |
| 22:08:21 | TheMasterMind1 | its really old |
| 22:08:21 | W|GGL|T | doesnt use his screen protector |
| 22:08:24 | TheMasterMind1 | w |
| 22:08:26 | W|GGL|T | not with the piel frama case |
| 22:08:29 | TheMasterMind1 | W|GGL|T you should |
| 22:08:32 | George- | 20020831 == old??? |
| 22:08:34 | George- | WTF? |
| 22:08:35 | George- | ;) |
| 22:08:35 | TheMasterMind1 | yes! |
| 22:08:39 | George- | 2 DAYS??? |
| 22:08:40 | TheMasterMind1 | 0901 = new |
| 22:08:40 | George- | =P |
| 22:08:46 | George- | oh shut up :) |
| 22:08:47 | TheMasterMind1 | relatively anyway |
| 22:08:47 | W|GGL|T | you cant use a case AND the screen protector |
| 22:08:51 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 22:08:53 | W|GGL|T | at least not with this case |
| 22:08:56 | TheMasterMind1 | i need me a screen protector |
| 22:08:56 | TheMasterMind1 | g2 |
| 22:08:56 | George- | 1 day makes a lot of difference ;) |
| 22:09:00 | TheMasterMind1 | it does |
| 22:09:07 | TheMasterMind1 | its qt2.3.2 vs qt2.3.3 |
| 22:09:11 | George- | TheMasterMind1: don't talk bull shit ;) |
| 22:09:19 | George- | http://opie.net.wox.org/openzaurus/current/qt-embedded_2.3.3-1_arm.ipk |
| 22:09:21 | George- | *ahem* |
| 22:09:21 | W|GGL|T | oh...you mean the plastic sheets |
| 22:09:27 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
| 22:09:27 | George- | 2.3.3 |
| 22:09:28 | TheMasterMind1 | i want one of those |
| 22:09:28 | George- | =P |
| 22:09:38 | George- | Get a G2 ;) |
| 22:09:41 | W|GGL|T | go to bed |
| 22:09:42 | darienm | TheMasterMind1: G2 is the best |
| 22:09:44 | George- | anyway |
| 22:09:47 | George- | bed time |
| 22:09:50 | George- | Bye all |
| 22:09:53 | George- | W|GGL|T: shut it ;) |
| 22:10:04 | W|GGL|T | shots George-'s piehole |
| 22:10:08 | W|GGL|T | shuts |
| 22:11:03 | W|GGL|T | need to search google for external WAP antennas |
| 22:14:23 | saurus | check poynting |
| 22:14:30 | saurus | for antennas |
| 22:14:41 | TheMasterMind1 | um |
| 22:14:46 | TheMasterMind1 | who was that basketball guy |
| 22:14:49 | TheMasterMind1 | retired and then came back |
| 22:15:04 | W|GGL|T | jordan |
| 22:15:14 | TheMasterMind1 | right |
| 22:15:17 | W|GGL|T | he's done it like twice |
| 22:15:19 | W|GGL|T | fool |
| 22:15:35 | W|GGL|T | rich boy can't make up his mind |
| 22:15:38 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, well, now you know the extent of my basketball knowledge |
| 22:15:52 | W|GGL|T | no...i wasn't calling YOU a fool |
| 22:15:53 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 22:15:54 | W|GGL|T | HIM |
| 22:16:20 | W|GGL|T | i dont watch it anymore |
| 22:16:47 | W|GGL|T | i havent been into sports in like 7 yrs |
| 22:17:06 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 22:17:16 | TheMasterMind1 | i haven't in like.. 15 |
| 22:17:18 | W|GGL|T | pro ball is boring...you watch them go from one end to the other, dunking |
| 22:17:24 | TheMasterMind1 | and 3/4ths |
| 22:18:07 | W|GGL|T | i like watching rally car racing on Speedvision tho |
| 22:18:21 | W|GGL|T | and grand prix and AMA motorcycle racing |
| 22:18:25 | TheMasterMind1 | what color hair does jordan have? |
| 22:19:18 | TheMasterMind1 | right |
| 22:19:19 | TheMasterMind1 | no hair |
| 22:24:44 | TheMasterMind1 | stupid spanish! |
| 22:33:53 | imm | hi |
| 22:35:41 | mickeyl | is leaving for a while... |
| 22:40:43 | chouimat | hi imm |
| 22:40:57 | imm | chouimat: salut |
| 22:41:12 | chouimat | imm: did you get the z? |
| 22:41:18 | imm | chouimat:nope |
| 22:41:34 | imm | chouimat: i think its still in us :( |
| 22:41:49 | chouimat | imm: me too |
| 22:42:13 | imm | chouimat: tomorrow will be the day to bug Sniper :) |
| 22:42:44 | chouimat | hehe the SniperBugFest :) |
| 22:43:12 | angry | what about :) |
| 22:43:12 | imm | chouimat: yep, bigSniperBugFest ! |
| 22:43:24 | imm | angry: our Zs |
| 22:43:31 | angry | ahh, from the challenge |
| 22:43:42 | KallDrexx | hey chouimat |
| 22:43:50 | chouimat | he KallDrexx |
| 22:44:35 | imm | KallDrexx: didnt you do the challenge too ? |
| 22:45:01 | chouimat | imm: and wenesday will be SniperBoredDay |
| 22:45:30 | KallDrexx | imm: yeah, had my z since last thurs |
| 22:45:43 | KallDrexx | they fedex 2dayed it to me :D |
| 22:45:47 | imm | KallDrexx: you ass :) |
| 22:45:50 | chouimat | KallDrexx: and you live where? |
| 22:45:58 | KallDrexx | imm: hehe |
| 22:46:00 | KallDrexx | chouimat: florida |
| 22:46:22 | chouimat | KallDrexx: ok. maybe I will get it in two days too :) |
| 22:46:26 | imm | KallDrexx: oh, the US guys take care of each other ;) |
| 22:47:05 | KallDrexx | hehe |
| 22:47:09 | KallDrexx | man |
| 22:47:11 | imm | hopes they send it by us army |
| 22:47:25 | KallDrexx | I was bored today so I was playing doom 1 shareware on it :) |
| 22:47:45 | imm | KallDrexx: did it work on the 5000d ? |
| 22:47:52 | chouimat | hopes that the guys at the frontier will do as usual. Nothing :) |
| 22:48:12 | KallDrexx | imm: doom? yeah there's a prboom port, I have that, nethack, nad one other game on |
| 22:48:28 | KallDrexx | once I get my CF i can play full doom1 (.wad is too big 12 megs lol) |
| 22:48:50 | angry | plays rocketelite, bust'em and soon mame galaga! :) |
| 22:48:54 | imm | KallDrexx: so its playable ? |
| 22:49:14 | KallDrexx | yep |
| 22:49:24 | KallDrexx | quite |
| 22:49:29 | KallDrexx | it will serve me wlel during school :) |
| 22:49:55 | imm | cool, my boss will drool |
| 22:50:02 | KallDrexx | eheh |
| 22:50:55 | | imm: i'm not following you... |
| 22:50:55 | imm | ibot msg for Snipper: send the Z ! |
| 22:50:56 | KallDrexx | hmm |
| 22:51:00 | chouimat | KallDrexx: got get the Sandisk 1GB CompactFlash. it's only 1500 CDN$ |
| 22:51:06 | KallDrexx | lol |
| 22:51:15 | KallDrexx | I got a 256 on the way |
| 22:51:16 | imm | :) |
| 22:51:23 | KallDrexx | arg |
| 22:51:33 | KallDrexx | why is prdoom deciding not to work all of a sudden |
| 22:51:36 | chouimat | I have a 1GB CompactFlash for free |
| 22:51:39 | KallDrexx | full resets :D |
| 22:51:43 | KallDrexx | chouimat: how? |
| 22:51:44 | chouimat | bbl food |
| 22:51:54 | raster | it'sd be nice to fidn a 512Mb sd card that's available online AND in-stock |
| 22:52:06 | chouimat | KallDrexx: my english is bad. I mean Want :) |
| 22:52:15 | KallDrexx | oh hehe :) |
| 22:52:21 | fusion94 | raster: well you could make a run to fry's.... |
| 22:52:27 | fusion94 | raster: oh wait... |
| 22:52:33 | raster | i doubt they even have it |
| 22:52:34 | imm | :) |
| 22:52:38 | raster | amazon.com doesnt have 'em |
| 22:52:40 | raster | at all |
| 22:52:43 | fusion94 | raster: they do :) |
| 22:52:44 | raster | even on their product list |
| 22:52:45 | chouimat | KallDrexx: still on the aftereffect of the Dream Theater show of yesterday |
| 22:52:57 | KallDrexx | ah |
| 22:53:16 | imm | chouimat: i was at Dillinger escape plan :) |
| 22:53:32 | KallDrexx | needs to get a screen protector.. will normal laminating sheets work? |
| 22:53:34 | imm | chouimat: prety weird |
| 22:53:45 | chouimat | imm: King's X, Joe Satriani (very very good) and Dream Theater |
| 22:54:25 | chouimat|Farscap | bb in 1hr |
| 22:54:35 | imm | chouimat|Farscap: night |
| 22:54:39 | KallDrexx | god ftping to my z is so nice and eas |
| 22:54:40 | KallDrexx | y |
| 22:55:29 | chouimat|Farscap | imm: and I think I will take my diner |
| 22:56:09 | imm | chouimat|Farscap: :) |
| 22:56:15 | raster | nup |
| 22:56:22 | raster | frys doesnt stock 512M sd cards |
| 22:56:39 | raster | biggest they do is 256 |
| 22:56:43 | raster | and tis expensive as shite |
| 22:56:49 | raster | compared to everyone else |
| 22:57:25 | imm | raster: sd sucks anyway |
| 22:57:46 | KallDrexx | will the paths on a CF be used the same way as if you install an ipk to RAM? i.e. if I install a game to a CF, is the binary put in /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/ and if so will it be set in the path or no? |
| 22:58:18 | ljp | yes, and it should be symlinked |
| 22:58:28 | KallDrexx | ah that's good |
| 22:58:45 | KallDrexx | wonders why that guy on the boards was complaining to devs to make apps installable to cfs |
| 22:58:47 | raster | imm: any less than cf? :) its the same thing :) |
| 22:59:03 | KallDrexx | is there a difference between CF and SD? |
| 22:59:21 | Onyx4 | SD is slow |
| 22:59:27 | Onyx4 | so good only for applications mostly |
| 22:59:30 | KallDrexx | yeah that's hwat I thought |
| 22:59:33 | Onyx4 | CF is fast, = good for media video/audio |
| 22:59:37 | KallDrexx | my friend was saying it goes as fast as CF |
| 22:59:50 | raster | cf is pretty slow |
| 23:00:10 | raster | i guess compared to lets say.. oh... an hd |
| 23:00:11 | raster | :) |
| 23:00:20 | KallDrexx | hehe |
| 23:00:29 | scanline | SD is much slower than CF |
| 23:00:39 | raster | i just want to keep my cf slot free for 802.11 & other cards that you arent goign to find as sd |
| 23:00:40 | imm | raster: sd is a lot slower than cf on the Z |
| 23:00:48 | scanline | CF is parallel (16-bit I think), SD is 4-wire serial, on the Z it's only 1-wire serial |
| 23:00:53 | KallDrexx | runs before his computer explodes... |
| 23:01:33 | ljp | sd is faster than I can move bits with my fingers |
| 23:01:41 | KallDrexx | hehe |
| 23:01:45 | raster | hehehehe |
| 23:01:54 | raster | i just want somewhere to store app data files |
| 23:01:56 | scanline | ljp: slowpoke :) |
| 23:02:00 | raster | mp3's etc |
| 23:02:10 | raster | and leave the cf slot for the micrordive |
| 23:02:10 | raster | etc. |
| 23:02:14 | ljp | although my thumbs are fast |
| 23:02:15 | raster | or 802.11 |
| 23:02:48 | TheMasterMind1 | raster mp3s movies won't play good from the sd, but sd is fine for everything else |
| 23:03:13 | scanline | mp3s and oggs play fine from the SD |
| 23:03:19 | raster | TheMasterMind1: really? i thought that was the idea. |
| 23:03:55 | TheMasterMind1 | oh |
| 23:03:56 | TheMasterMind1 | nm then |
| 23:05:33 | KallDrexx | woohoo |
| 23:05:36 | KallDrexx | got doom working again :) |
| 23:07:27 | raster | just got thsi sd card slot that's all empty and shit |
| 23:07:33 | raster | gotta fill it with something! |
| 23:07:34 | raster | :) |
| 23:07:59 | TheMasterMind1 | how big? |
| 23:08:19 | TheMasterMind1 | where do i get op-mp2 ? |
| 23:08:24 | TheMasterMind1 | err |
| 23:08:25 | TheMasterMind1 | op2 |
| 23:08:59 | comfrey | hey gang, i have a linksys cf wireless card and tomorrow is the last day on the return policy. does any one have anything to say about it? |
| 23:09:21 | comfrey | it works well but blocks the stylus. |
| 23:09:47 | comfrey | is there a better card out there that one might recomend over the linksys? |
| 23:13:23 | raster | how big what? |
| 23:17:20 | deathmint | hiya |
| 23:18:51 | deathmint | anyone else find the top right corner of their display to be dark? |
| 23:22:14 | darienm | deathmint: I've heard people say that before, but I've worked on 5 Z's and not seen that condition |
| 23:22:45 | darienm | deathmint: or perhaps it would be more accurate to say I've not 'noticed' that condition. |
| 23:24:01 | TheMasterMind1 | comfrey yes, get the wcf12 |
| 23:24:08 | TheMasterMind1 | comfrey you probably have the wcf11 ? |
| 23:24:19 | TheMasterMind1 | the wcf12 is 66shipped from buy.com and is very small |
| 23:24:23 | TheMasterMind1 | or get the socket |
| 23:24:25 | TheMasterMind1 | very lowpower |
| 23:24:26 | TheMasterMind1 | and small |
| 23:24:33 | TheMasterMind1 | 134 on buy.com |
| 23:31:41 | darienm | Geez how retarded. I had to flash my rom in order to flash my rom. |
| 23:32:07 | darienm | I had 21 MB of space in RAM storage, but the flash program complained and said I had to have at least 17 MB free before it could proceed. |
| 23:32:23 | darienm | So I had to flash what was already in flash just so I could flash a newer one |
| 23:32:32 | TheMasterMind1 | heheheh |
| 23:33:25 | neurosys | so hows the BT in the zaurus sl-5500 now? i have a BT socket CF , is it worth a try? |
| 23:33:27 | darienm | first thing I'm loading (in about 4 mins) is Sharp Mobile Services |
| 23:33:37 | darienm | we'll see if the damn thing works. |
| 23:34:00 | TheMasterMind1 | bt? |
| 23:34:01 | TheMasterMind1 | huh? |
| 23:34:04 | TheMasterMind1 | oh |
| 23:34:07 | TheMasterMind1 | bluetooth? |
| 23:34:09 | neurosys | yes |
| 23:34:17 | TheMasterMind1 | neurosys if you get OZ it should work |
| 23:34:22 | TheMasterMind1 | oz has a lot of bt support |
| 23:34:25 | TheMasterMind1 | sharp rom does not |
| 23:34:34 | TheMasterMind1 | darienm if it doesn't, send it to me |
| 23:34:39 | TheMasterMind1 | and pay for monthly service |
| 23:34:40 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 23:35:08 | deathmint | just wondering if I should return this one or not |
| 23:35:38 | TheMasterMind1 | how much did you pay for it? |
| 23:35:47 | TheMasterMind1 | if its a wcf11, you're probably better off getting a wcf12 |
| 23:35:51 | neurosys | heh wonder what netbsd would be like on a zaurus :P |
| 23:35:54 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 23:36:17 | neurosys | it supports arm |
| 23:37:24 | TheMasterMind1 | i prefer debian |
| 23:37:29 | TheMasterMind1 | oz is debian based |
| 23:37:40 | TheMasterMind1 | you can even run X! |
| 23:37:41 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 23:38:14 | neurosys | netbsd can run X also :) |
| 23:39:34 | mutexer | mount crashed Yay! brb rebooting |
