| 00:00:33 | ekkis | ljp: cool... thx! (this will be my 2nd Z :) |
| 00:00:40 | ljp | because bestbuy isnt carying zaurus anymore |
| 00:00:50 | erikd | http://www.sharpsec.com/sharp-usa/be-sharp/showcase/0,1941,600-0-0,00.html <-- ekkis: on the left side |
| 00:01:28 | Speedy2 | ekkis: What happened to your 1st Z? |
| 00:01:39 | kergoth | ljp: I'm starting to add in the necessary code to init the DAC's in the Z. If we're lucky, the existing drivers will work with some modification. |
| 00:01:46 | kergoth | ljp: (audio) |
| 00:01:51 | ljp | grovey |
| 00:01:52 | ekkis | lol, nothing, 1 isn't enough :) |
| 00:01:58 | Speedy2 | oooooookey |
| 00:02:04 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Gr8! |
| 00:02:21 | ljp | you should have the sounds be from a Beck cd |
| 00:02:29 | kergoth | ljp: its so clean.. there's a general module for audio on the sa11x0 that handles the dma stuff, and the ssp and mcp audio modules use it. quite slick |
| 00:02:32 | scanline | is away: food or something |
| 00:02:48 | ljp | hmm interesting |
| 00:03:10 | ekkis | erikd: on the left side of that page I only see a blank area... |
| 00:03:48 | kergoth | ljp: The audio driver we'll probably get working for the buzzer: http://linux-cl.bkbits.net:8080/linux-arm-2.5-collie/anno/drivers/misc/ucb1x00-audio.c@1.5?nav=index.html|src/.|src/drivers|src/drivers/misc |
| 00:04:05 | ljp | hehe or buit in sounds from kraftwerk cd |
| 00:04:59 | Cloudchaser_ | heya kergoth :) |
| 00:05:17 | Speedy2 | bbl all |
| 00:05:28 | ljp | kergoth: whats the command to pull down your kernel source? |
| 00:05:33 | kergoth | ljp: The core sa1100 audio driver: http://linux-cl.bkbits.net:8080/linux-arm-2.5-collie/anno/sound/oss/sa1100-audio.c@1.5?nav=index.html|src/.|src/sound|src/sound/oss |
| 00:05:48 | kergoth | ljp: bk clone http://linux-cl.bkbits.net/linux-arm-2.5-collie; |
| 00:05:53 | kergoth | hey Cloudchaser_ |
| 00:06:20 | kergoth | ljp: do you know offhand what the DAC is that handles the headphone output? |
| 00:06:28 | kergoth | ljp: as in, what its model # is? |
| 00:07:01 | ljp | not off hand |
| 00:07:44 | kergoth | DAC(PCM1741) -> AMP(NJM2172) |
| 00:07:47 | kergoth | there we go |
| 00:07:50 | kergoth | its a PCM1741 |
| 00:07:53 | kergoth | whatever that is :-) |
| 00:08:18 | kergoth | egh |
| 00:08:39 | ljp | its a chip.. |
| 00:08:39 | kergoth | the driver for the DAC for the headphone jack isnt going to be as simple as I thought, I'm glad we have Lineo's to base it on |
| 00:08:44 | kergoth | :-) |
| 00:08:59 | ljp | ya 1741 sounds familiar |
| 00:09:13 | kergoth | yeah it does |
| 00:09:15 | kergoth | googles |
| 00:09:52 | chouimat | nite |
| 00:10:04 | kergoth | bingo |
| 00:10:06 | kergoth | ljp: http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/productfolder.jhtml;jsessionid=EDESSGTO45RRDQC1JAKRF2Q?genericPartNumber=PCM1741 |
| 00:11:13 | chouimat | kergoth: what is that? |
| 00:11:44 | kergoth | Okay i'm working on the buzzer first, just cause its easier. there's already a ucb1x00 audio driver, I just need to init a couple things and it may work out of the box.. hopefully |
| 00:12:02 | ljp | heh 96/24 on a pda would be nice.. |
| 00:12:07 | Cloudchaser_ | what will the buzzer do when you're done with it kergoth? |
| 00:12:22 | ljp | play sounds |
| 00:12:31 | kergoth | Cloudchaser_: play sounds other than the 3 inlined ones :-) |
| 00:12:40 | Cloudchaser_ | all kinds of sounds? |
| 00:12:45 | Cloudchaser_ | like music? |
| 00:13:03 | ljp | hopefully |
| 00:13:09 | ljp | wil sound bad tho |
| 00:13:12 | kergoth | the limitation will be the quality we can get out of this 'sounder' |
| 00:13:13 | kergoth | yeah |
| 00:13:21 | kergoth | but at least we wont have a shit driver for it anymore |
| 00:13:37 | kergoth | I hate imposed limitations.. we have enough limitations from the hardware, much less drivers |
| 00:13:39 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:14:33 | ljp | cant imagine an arm 203 trying to push 96/24 sound out .. ;) |
| 00:14:41 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:14:58 | ljp | full dvd sound would be sweet |
| 00:15:17 | kergoth | yeh no kidding |
| 00:15:56 | kergoth | hey raster |
| 00:16:58 | ljp | hmm cannot cd to linux-arm-2.5-collie |
| 00:17:23 | ljp | oh wrong domain |
| 00:17:50 | raster | kergoth: mooonin! |
| 00:18:42 | ljp | hhhhheeeeeeeerrrrreeeeee it comes |
| 00:22:41 | kergoth | ljp: hehe. it'll take a bit, cause its like downloading a whole cvs repos, not like checking out cvs.. it has all the file histories and shit. |
| 00:22:46 | kergoth | ljp: so dont delete it |
| 00:23:24 | ljp | good thing I put it on my /opt partition |
| 00:24:05 | kergoth | hmmm |
| 00:24:41 | kergoth | ljp: opinion. This driver works for more than just one machine type.. it works for any machine that has a ucb1x00 attached (or in our case, a tc35143af).. so I shouldnt add any machine specific stuff to it.. |
| 00:25:14 | kergoth | ljp: however, in the drivers in 2.4.6, in the audio_init function, it turns on the DAC via a gpio, and turns it off in the audio_exit function.. note that the init and exit only get called on module load/unload.. |
| 00:25:21 | ljp | ya, unless you know arm asm |
| 00:25:57 | kergoth | ljp: so the question is.. should I turn on the DAC in the audio driver here on load/unload, or should i turn it on in the architecture specific code, at boot time.. |
| 00:27:07 | ljp | is there any reason to do it at boot? |
| 00:27:21 | ljp | could bleep that its booting |
| 00:27:35 | kergoth | ljp: if i do it at boot, I wont have to add our dac init (which is specific to COLLIE) into a driver that ISNT specific to collie |
| 00:27:43 | ljp | or beep kernel error codes ;) |
| 00:27:48 | kergoth | ljp: in other words, i remove machine specific cruft from a general driver |
| 00:28:08 | ljp | ahh take the easy way out |
| 00:28:34 | ljp | and beep kernel error stuff ;) |
| 00:28:39 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:29:16 | ACEDOG | this may have been asked before, but has anyone else had a problem getting vnc working with the 2.38 rom? |
| 00:29:17 | ljp | this is almost taking as much time as an opie co did |
| 00:29:47 | ljp | I havent tried vnc in along time |
| 00:30:33 | ACEDOG | hmm... it was fine with 2.37. I can see the Z on my computer, but it accepts no input from the computer. |
| 00:30:43 | ACEDOG | strange |
| 00:34:04 | ACEDOG | I figure they screwed something up when they closed up the security holes. |
| 00:35:07 | kergoth | ACEDOG: they didnt 'close up' the security holes |
| 00:35:15 | kergoth | ACEDOG: its still a fucking joke. |
| 00:35:47 | ACEDOG | they said they did, so it must be true |
| 00:36:16 | kergoth | aha |
| 00:36:24 | kergoth | you're funny. |
| 00:36:30 | ACEDOG | whatever they did, qtopiadesktop on linux ain't werkin' no more fer me! |
| 00:36:51 | kergoth | ACEDOG: they disabled syncing over wireless and called it "fixed" |
| 00:36:54 | shoe | what are the common commands to run to troubleshoot wlan problems? my wlan under OZ suddenly stopped working... |
| 00:37:07 | kergoth | ACEDOG: its still wide open over usb, and they removed a feature that people use. |
| 00:37:24 | kergoth | shoe: run iwconfig wlan0; .. check config.. run ifconfig -a .... |
| 00:37:32 | ACEDOG | I liked the 4242 port being open. It was very convenient. |
| 00:37:33 | shoe | werd |
| 00:37:42 | kergoth | shoe: can always manually killall dhcpcd, then run /etc/pcmcia/network start wlan0 debug; |
| 00:38:01 | kergoth | ACEDOG: convenient, and the security was a joke. its always been a joke. they havent changed that. |
| 00:38:18 | kergoth | ACEDOG: and I sincerely hope you dont believe everything a company tells you. |
| 00:39:01 | ACEDOG | why not? They're japanese? |
| 00:39:19 | kergoth | ACEDOG: ? the fact that its a japanese company is irrelevant |
| 00:39:42 | kergoth | ACEDOG: if you believe because ANYONE said something, that its true, regardless of whether its an individual or a company, you're extremely naive. |
| 00:39:48 | ACEDOG | ok, you're missing my sarcasm, sorry if I'm not that good at it. |
| 00:40:05 | kergoth | it takes practice, especially online :-) |
| 00:40:20 | kergoth | need to make the sarcasm more obvious than usual |
| 00:40:21 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:40:23 | kergoth | blah |
| 00:40:28 | kergoth | ljp: how goes the bk clone? |
| 00:40:36 | ACEDOG | that's my problem! |
| 00:40:37 | ljp | sound |
| 00:42:09 | shoe | thanks kergoth... it's showing up in ifconfig... just not working, weird |
| 00:42:17 | shoe | I'll try starting out of pcmcia directory |
| 00:44:03 | ACEDOG | it's strange, nmap shows the 5800 and 5900 ports open on the Z, but I can't send mouse clicks to it anymore. The laptop keyboard is a lot nicer to use. |
| 00:44:51 | shoe | hmm.. /etc/pcmcia/network.opts: 14: Syntax error: "}" unexpected (expecting ";;") |
| 00:45:00 | shoe | that's on the manual network start wlan0 debug; |
| 00:45:31 | ACEDOG | I don't like using ftp or scp from the Z, even with the thumbpad. I'd rather have vnc working again. I'm so easily spoiled. |
| 00:46:27 | kergoth | shoe: thats fixed in the latest netsetup in the feed. upgrade netsetup, rerun it, edit hte tcp/ip entry, then just hit OK to get out again. it'll rewrite network.opts without the syntax error. |
| 00:46:43 | shoe | right |
| 00:46:44 | shoe | well |
| 00:46:48 | shoe | I want to upgrade |
| 00:46:55 | shoe | but |
| 00:47:00 | shoe | I need to backup first... |
| 00:47:01 | kergoth | you dont have a CF reader? |
| 00:47:05 | shoe | and I have no backup utility |
| 00:47:12 | shoe | and no network connection to get a backup utility |
| 00:47:15 | shoe | viscious cycle! |
| 00:47:18 | shoe | I do |
| 00:47:28 | shoe | I guess I could d/l the backup .ipk file |
| 00:47:29 | kergoth | backup = tar -cxf /mnt/cf/backup.tar /root/Applications /root/Settings /root/Documents; |
| 00:47:38 | kergoth | shoe: heh |
| 00:48:01 | shoe | and how to restore? just replace those directories after I flash? |
| 00:48:16 | kergoth | cd /; tar -xvf /mnt/cf/backup.tar; |
| 00:48:20 | kergoth | heh :-) |
| 00:48:23 | shoe | hehe |
| 00:48:24 | shoe | sweet |
| 00:48:25 | shoe | will do |
| 00:48:27 | shoe | thanks :) |
| 00:48:36 | kergoth | shoe: or like you said, install databackup. .i've seen it crash on some occasions though, and it doesnt like me |
| 00:48:46 | kergoth | shoe: or you can scp -r it over to your desktop when you have networking up.. |
| 00:48:47 | shoe | manual is always better |
| 00:48:47 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:48:54 | shoe | so many ways :) |
| 00:48:57 | kergoth | yeah |
| 00:49:00 | kergoth | thats what its all about |
| 00:49:01 | kergoth | choices |
| 00:49:02 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:49:41 | shoe | you're always so helpful |
| 00:49:42 | shoe | thanks again! |
| 00:49:49 | fredh | hello all |
| 00:50:26 | fredh | I'm new to the zaurus (I just got mine Sunday), and I want to try out Open Zaurus |
| 00:50:31 | kergoth | shoe: np, glad to help out |
| 00:50:44 | kergoth | fredh: okay, you have questions no doubt? |
| 00:50:46 | fredh | I was wondering if someone could answer some of my questions |
| 00:50:48 | fredh | yep |
| 00:50:52 | kergoth | ask away |
| 00:51:16 | fredh | well first of all, if I make packages of hancom office and save them to my pc, will I be albe to use them under opie? |
| 00:51:30 | fredh | I ask because I heard there were binary incompatibilities |
| 00:51:30 | kergoth | ljp: whats a good command line OSS mixer / volume editor? I need to play around |
| 00:51:36 | kergoth | fredh: thats incorrect. |
| 00:51:39 | kergoth | fredh: its binary compatible. |
| 00:51:43 | kergoth | fredh: hancom apps run fine. |
| 00:51:49 | fredh | ok, awesome :) |
| 00:51:53 | fredh | now, question 2... |
| 00:51:55 | kergoth | fredh: there's that script to ipk them up, you shoudl use |
| 00:51:57 | kergoth | k.. |
| 00:52:04 | fredh | I've only got a 16 meg flash card around |
| 00:52:14 | fredh | is that enough for all the images (it's not enough for the new sharp rom) |
| 00:52:39 | kergoth | yes thats enough room. should work theoretically. I havent tested it myself, I have a 64mb card |
| 00:52:50 | kergoth | the initrd.bin is about 14 megs, and zImage is about 700k |
| 00:52:56 | kergoth | and bootflag.txt is 4 bytes |
| 00:52:56 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:53:04 | fredh | yeah, that's what I thought, I just didn't know because the sharp rom demands more |
| 00:53:19 | kergoth | well, they distribute it in a full romimage form, the full 16 megs |
| 00:53:28 | ACEDOG | can OZ run java apps like the jeode that sharp provides? |
| 00:53:32 | kergoth | (even though its unnecessary, but dont get me started) |
| 00:53:44 | fredh | also, are there any issues with connections to my Linux box and the USB Cradle? |
| 00:53:48 | kergoth | ACEDOG: there is no java vm in OZ out of the box, I dont believe i can legally distribute jeode. |
| 00:53:51 | fredh | ok cool, I hadn't notieced that |
| 00:53:53 | kergoth | fredh: nope, works fine |
| 00:54:22 | kergoth | ACEDOG: i believe ben meyer did/is doing scripts to grab jeode and opera from the sharp rom as well |
| 00:54:26 | fredh | ok, so yeah that was next q... what is the java support on it? I ask because I'm using JCryptEditor as my editor |
| 00:54:49 | kergoth | There's no jeode out of the box. either grab the script from ben to pull the jeode over, or copy it yourself |
| 00:54:55 | kergoth | it'll run, but i cant distribute it |
| 00:55:03 | fredh | ok |
| 00:55:14 | kergoth | opera i've heard rumors segfaults under OZ, for some odd reason, but I havent tried it myself |
| 00:55:18 | fredh | where can I find that script (I've already found the hancom script) |
| 00:55:23 | ACEDOG | what about the one's you'd find with linux anyway, like kaffe or something? |
| 00:55:38 | kergoth | ACEDOG: kaffe will work, if all you want is console apps |
| 00:55:51 | kergoth | ACEDOG: the only Qt bindings for Kaffe are for qt3, while qtopia uses qt2.. |
| 00:56:03 | kergoth | ACEDOG: so we either need to backport it, or wait for sharp to switch to qt3 |
| 00:56:41 | fredh | hmm.. here's another q... is Opie's text editor any better than the mickey mouse zaurus one? |
| 00:56:58 | fredh | or is it the same one? |
| 00:57:09 | kergoth | fredh: yes. its got a few quirks of its own, but its better. plus you have the bonus of being able to come on irc and pester the developers into fixing things :) |
| 00:57:23 | fredh | hehe ;) |
| 00:57:32 | fredh | well I really try not to do that too much |
| 00:57:53 | kergoth | well if ya dont report feature requests and bugs, they'll never happen or get fixed, respectively |
| 00:57:53 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:58:02 | ACEDOG | do thekompany apps run under OZ? |
| 00:58:04 | fredh | well I meant pestering |
| 00:58:07 | kergoth | ACEDOG: yes. |
| 00:58:11 | fredh | hehe |
| 00:58:41 | kergoth | there's this weird behavior where some people are reporting their time going back to jan 1 2000 on suspend/reboot |
| 00:58:49 | kergoth | but I've never been able to reproduce it, it works flawless here |
| 00:58:50 | kergoth | its weird. |
| 00:58:59 | ACEDOG | 2000 was a great year |
| 00:59:01 | fredh | ok, I think this is my final q for now... the beta has package manager issues, but what if I just use the command line ipk installer, any issues installing with that? |
| 00:59:04 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:59:17 | kergoth | fredh: command line installer can install to ram/cf/sd, but it wont link the files into the rootfs |
| 00:59:27 | kergoth | fredh: in other words, it'll install there, but you get no icon in the gui, etc.. |
| 00:59:44 | kergoth | fredh: oipkg is actually fairly stable right now, and its far far better than the piece of shit qinstall in the sharp rom |
| 00:59:44 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:00:11 | fredh | hmm... so then I shouldn't have any probs with it under a normal production? |
| 01:00:29 | kergoth | fredh: probably not. |
| 01:00:34 | kergoth | ljp: wb |
| 01:01:03 | fredh | ok now here's my final q, for real this time :), I heard there were time sync problems with OpenZaurus, is that a known issue? |
| 01:01:21 | kergoth | fredh: syncing works fine, tested and confirmed in the latest release, 2.9.5.5. |
| 01:01:32 | fredh | I read this on this guy's pda page by the way... I don't know if you've seen the page... it's www.wigglit.com/pda.html |
| 01:01:44 | kergoth | fredh: it was broken due to a security fix (a real fix, not this 'disable the wireless syncing' crap sharp pulled) |
| 01:01:56 | kergoth | fredh: yeah, wigglit drops by here fairly often |
| 01:02:01 | fredh | cool |
| 01:02:09 | fredh | ok, so is there anything else I should watch out for? |
| 01:02:20 | fredh | any known issues with wireless or anything else? |
| 01:02:48 | kergoth | fredh: wireless should work out of the box. i'd recommend upgrading your version of ipkg from the oz3 feed asap though, konqueror will fail to install without it. |
| 01:02:54 | | oz3 feed is probably at http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/3.0/ |
| 01:02:54 | kergoth | ibot: oz3 feed? |
| 01:03:15 | fredh | ok cool, thanks a lot kergoth :), I really appreciate it |
| 01:03:28 | fredh | and hey did you guys here? Zauruses for $300 at LinuxWorld! |
| 01:03:28 | kergoth | fredh: np. let me know how it goes. if you need further assistance let me know. |
| 01:03:35 | kergoth | fredh: and please, report any bugs you find |
| 01:03:43 | kergoth | fredh: 300 eh? hell of a deal |
| 01:03:44 | fredh | I will :) |
| 01:03:54 | fredh | yeah, I just got mine on Sunday too, I'm kicking myself... |
| 01:04:01 | fredh | I mean I don't live in CA or anything, but still |
| 01:04:08 | cranch | WORD |
| 01:04:09 | cranch | ;) |
| 01:04:14 | cranch | I'm back... |
| 01:04:16 | kergoth | re cranch |
| 01:04:43 | cranch | hehe |
| 01:04:56 | cranch | I got pissed and went to the SharpROM..GASP |
| 01:05:02 | kergoth | tisk tisk |
| 01:05:05 | kergoth | :-) |
| 01:05:10 | fredh | hehe, uh oh |
| 01:05:18 | cranch | I need hancom Word and Presenter to work |
| 01:05:30 | cranch | unless there are other apps for the Z that can read word documents and powerpoint presentations |
| 01:05:32 | Cloudchaser_ | kergoth: you got the package manager fixed? |
| 01:06:03 | fredh | cranch: could you confirm if hancom isn't working under opie? |
| 01:06:14 | kergoth | Cloudchaser_: jamey fixed a number of ipkg bugs.. konqueror installs again :-) |
| 01:06:16 | cranch | can't confirm it |
| 01:06:18 | cranch | it does work |
| 01:06:21 | cranch | I used it earlier |
| 01:06:28 | fredh | oh nm, then |
| 01:06:33 | cranch | but then I was having prolems installing tkc apps |
| 01:06:41 | kergoth | cranch: which apps, btw? |
| 01:06:42 | Cloudchaser_ | ack |
| 01:06:47 | cranch | tkc apps? |
| 01:06:49 | kergoth | cranch: yeah |
| 01:06:54 | cranch | all of them.. |
| 01:07:02 | Cloudchaser_ | i definitely need them all to work |
| 01:07:05 | kergoth | cranch: did you install thekompany ipk to flash? roge99 has his working, and they REFUSED to work until he did that |
| 01:07:06 | cranch | whenver I clicked in them in the Documents tab, they'd come up with blank file names |
| 01:07:11 | kergoth | ah |
| 01:07:12 | kergoth | thats weird |
| 01:07:19 | kergoth | i think thats a fluke myself. |
| 01:07:22 | cranch | is there a difference between vfat and fat |
| 01:07:32 | cranch | IE I formatted my CF card in windows as fat |
| 01:07:34 | kergoth | vfat = fat12 or fat16 or fat32, as i understand it |
| 01:07:45 | kergoth | cranch: from windows it formatted it fat16 most likely, or fat32 |
| 01:07:48 | cranch | I'll flash for the hell of it :) |
| 01:07:52 | kergoth | cranch: either way its considered 'vfat' |
| 01:07:53 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:07:57 | cranch | there is FAT or FAT32 |
| 01:07:59 | Cloudchaser_ | kergoth: i'll give it a try again probly thursday (need the z for work the next few days) |
| 01:08:02 | kergoth | cranch: hah, real risktaker eh |
| 01:08:09 | kergoth | cranch: FAT then would be fat16, technically |
| 01:08:17 | kergoth | Cloudchaser_: okay, cool |
| 01:08:24 | kergoth | Cloudchaser_: hey usb networking works in 2.5.30-rmk1-cl1 :-) |
| 01:08:31 | cranch | WOOT |
| 01:08:40 | kergoth | Cloudchaser_: I'm working on the sound drivers now that I can update the modules without reflashing left and right |
| 01:08:43 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:08:44 | Cloudchaser_ | i've never used usb networking |
| 01:08:57 | kergoth | i havent started on the pcmcia stuff yet :-) |
| 01:09:06 | Cloudchaser_ | you mentioned having to update oipkg above? |
| 01:09:17 | Cloudchaser_ | is that not in the new version? |
| 01:09:17 | kergoth | not oipkg |
| 01:09:18 | kergoth | ipkg. |
| 01:09:19 | cranch | is the feed up to date ker? |
| 01:09:23 | kergoth | it was ipkg that was flaky |
| 01:09:25 | kergoth | cranch: yeah, should be |
| 01:09:39 | cranch | kergoth: you know if roge had an SD card>? |
| 01:09:40 | Cloudchaser_ | is confused |
| 01:09:41 | kergoth | Cloudchaser_: thankfully, ipkg appears to be able to upgrade itself. |
| 01:09:49 | Cloudchaser_ | ah |
| 01:09:51 | kergoth | cranch: yes, he uses the zImage-32 kernel, no ramdisk at all, with the sd card |
| 01:09:59 | cranch | that's part of it |
| 01:10:06 | cranch | I've talked to two people who have sd cards |
| 01:10:09 | cranch | and have them working properly |
| 01:10:18 | kergoth | cranch: 'them'<-? |
| 01:10:31 | cranch | hancom and tkc apps together |
| 01:10:34 | kergoth | ah |
| 01:10:45 | kergoth | i dont think roge99 uses the hancom apps |
| 01:10:51 | kergoth | but he couldnt get the tkc apps to work for quite a while |
| 01:10:52 | cranch | oh :) |
| 01:10:58 | cranch | tkc's apps worked fine earlier |
| 01:11:05 | kergoth | odd |
| 01:11:18 | cranch | but when I installed hancom stuff they weren't working |
| 01:11:53 | cranch | Gobe productive stuff coming to the Zaurus? that'd be sweet..then fsck hancom |
| 01:12:10 | Cloudchaser_ | ok tkc kompany file must be installed to flash to get tkc apps to work? |
| 01:12:17 | cranch | nope |
| 01:12:28 | cranch | I installed all my tkc stuff to mtdram |
| 01:12:31 | kergoth | Cloudchaser_: well, it should be installed to either mtdram or flash |
| 01:12:31 | cranch | and it worked fine |
| 01:12:44 | kergoth | Cloudchaser_: qpe-thekompany is a library, and as such shouldnt be installed to a media using vfat |
| 01:12:50 | kergoth | Cloudchaser_: cause the symlinks wont work |
| 01:13:03 | kergoth | hey mdz |
| 01:13:07 | Cloudchaser_ | ok |
| 01:13:35 | Cloudchaser_ | but most of the other tkc apps *should* work on SD cept for calendar, contacts and jabber? |
| 01:13:39 | Cloudchaser_ | like they do now? |
| 01:13:48 | kergoth | yep |
| 01:13:52 | kergoth | even those should work, in theory |
| 01:13:54 | kergoth | ;-) |
| 01:14:14 | Cloudchaser_ | well, i put player and video to ram too for performance, rather than SD |
| 01:15:05 | mdz | kergoth: hi |
| 01:16:10 | ciaolinux | is there qtextstream in qtopia? |
| 01:16:47 | bipolar | Has anyone seen a belt clip case for the zaurus? |
| 01:17:56 | cranch | anyone know of good themes...LIquid and hancom don't jive |
| 01:18:43 | mdz | kergoth: looks like it's apmd that's to blame for my apm problem |
| 01:20:57 | kergoth | mdz: ah.. OZ and the sharp rom dont use apmd |
| 01:21:25 | [DrEvil] | kergoth: did you look at my email? |
| 01:21:26 | kergoth | cranch: there arent many themes yet.. grab opie-theme and then use you can use any kde2 pixmap theme in opie. |
| 01:21:39 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: nah i havent checked my mail since getting home.. hold |
| 01:22:25 | mdz | I suppose I could live without apmd...but it should work, and it's nice for setting up hooks for suspend and resume events |
| 01:22:51 | Cloudchaser_ | hey kergoth: how come there's no link to documentation for oz on sourceforge? |
| 01:23:22 | cranch | any way to ghost your system? |
| 01:23:23 | cranch | haha |
| 01:23:26 | cranch | your Z I mean |
| 01:23:39 | cranch | apps and all |
| 01:24:01 | mdz | oh, man...I think I know why the apm ioctls were wrong |
| 01:24:08 | mdz | it looks like it is built against 2.2 kernel headers |
| 01:24:57 | kergoth | Cloudchaser_: cause i'm not using SF's documentation tools |
| 01:25:02 | kergoth | mdz: ack |
| 01:25:07 | kergoth | cranch: tar is your friend |
| 01:25:14 | Cloudchaser_ | ok i can't find the docs :( |
| 01:25:14 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: hmm.. |
| 01:25:18 | kergoth | Cloudchaser_: files page. |
| 01:25:19 | cranch | define..I can tar up the whole thing kergoth? |
| 01:25:37 | kergoth | cranch: why not? tar up each filesystem independently of course. flash, then mtdram.. |
| 01:25:40 | [DrEvil] | I knew the problem was with hmm |
| 01:25:44 | Cloudchaser_ | ok thanks kergoth ;) |
| 01:25:46 | kergoth | cranch: remember what tar was for.. |
| 01:25:47 | cranch | well... |
| 01:25:55 | cranch | I'll just update |
| 01:25:58 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: well. its weird.. everything gets put into the ipktemp dir, then it just .. stops |
| 01:26:05 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: there's no libc6 ipk in sources/ipks/? |
| 01:26:10 | [DrEvil] | no |
| 01:26:28 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: well its obvious the problem lies in the ipk creation step.. let me dig in that direction |
| 01:26:43 | cranch | Kergoth...I'd like the security icon to stay when updating packages |
| 01:27:31 | [DrEvil] | all the other packages that build, package up fine |
| 01:28:41 | cranch | when upgrading packages kergoth, its safe to keep the old ipkg.conf right? |
| 01:30:30 | shoe | :( |
| 01:30:45 | mdz | hmm, if I kill apmd, I can suspend and resume, but I lose USB networking |
| 01:31:17 | kergoth | cranch: yes, it is |
| 01:31:21 | cranch | If anyone needs a laugh: http://www.linuxworld.com/site-stories/2002/0812.install-p2.html |
| 01:31:29 | mdz | the PC side gets a USB disconnect, then a connect, and does the enjoyable "device not accepting new address" dance |
| 01:31:30 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: its only libc6? erm.. |
| 01:31:48 | [DrEvil] | ssh and libopenobex don't build for other reasons |
| 01:32:05 | Cloudchaser_ | kergoth: is there new z-images for 2.9.5.5? |
| 01:32:18 | [DrEvil] | but as far as I can tell...libc6 is the only one that builds but doesn't package |
| 01:32:36 | [DrEvil] | I suspect you used the same template for ssh and libopenobex |
| 01:33:06 | shoe | where under /root are the links created for applications that live under /mnt/card? |
| 01:33:18 | shoe | to get them to show up in the applications tab |
| 01:33:18 | shoe | ? |
| 01:34:46 | kergoth | Cloudchaser_: nope |
| 01:34:57 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: yes, kits the same template |
| 01:34:59 | kergoth | shoe: huh? |
| 01:35:04 | shoe | well |
| 01:35:07 | shoe | you install an app under sd |
| 01:35:08 | kergoth | shoe: the links are all over the place in the rootfs |
| 01:35:20 | shoe | didn't back those up |
| 01:35:23 | [DrEvil] | ssh and libopenobex has some kind of script problem |
| 01:35:32 | kergoth | shoe: i.e. a file installed to /mnt/card/opt/QtPalmtop/apps/Applications/blah.desktop is linked to /opt/QtPalmtop/apps/Applications/blah.desktop |
| 01:35:40 | [DrEvil] | once we get libc6 packaging I can work on helping to figure out why |
| 01:35:45 | shoe | :( |
| 01:35:47 | kergoth | shoe: this is true for EVERY file installed by the package |
| 01:35:53 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: okay, let me dig into libc6.mk |
| 01:36:18 | shoe | now I have to go and manually create links for all my apps under sd or reinstall them |
| 01:36:22 | shoe | interesting learning experience |
| 01:37:00 | kergoth | shoe: note theres a feature request reported to have opie pick up the ipkg database on the card and auto link/unlink on insertion/removal |
| 01:37:04 | kergoth | shoe: which would be pretty sweet. |
| 01:37:21 | Cloudchaser_ | shoe: if you install apps to SD you have to manually link them??? |
| 01:37:26 | shoe | I do now |
| 01:37:32 | shoe | now that I refreshed and didn't back up the links |
| 01:37:32 | kergoth | Cloudchaser_: he reflashed. |
| 01:37:43 | kergoth | Cloudchaser_: if you reflash, you have to relink or reinstall, because it links at install time only. |
| 01:37:46 | shoe | is there an actual way to backup the links? |
| 01:37:50 | kergoth | Cloudchaser_: this is true for both sharp rom and oz |
| 01:37:55 | cranch | anyone find any need for that copy and past applet in the dock :) |
| 01:37:59 | cranch | I'm trying to make it smaller |
| 01:37:59 | kergoth | shoe: shell script. |
| 01:38:02 | cranch | to much shit in it ;) |
| 01:38:05 | shoe | interesting |
| 01:38:14 | kergoth | shoe: ipkg files blah; displays the files installed by blah |
| 01:38:29 | kergoth | shoe: ipkg -d sd files blah; displays files installed by package blah installed to sd |
| 01:38:59 | shoe | okay |
| 01:39:14 | shoe | will fix |
| 01:39:21 | shoe | we need that tool bad :) |
| 01:39:47 | cranch | brb..taking my Z to bed to make monkey love to it. Hancom and TKC apps are all installed and functional |
| 01:40:54 | kergoth | cranch: under which rom? OZ? |
| 01:41:17 | cranch | yup |
| 01:41:23 | kergoth | nice. |
| 01:41:25 | kergoth | glad to hear it. |
| 01:41:29 | cranch | exactly |
| 01:41:29 | kergoth | brb |
| 01:41:32 | cranch | me too :) |
| 01:41:33 | cranch | thanks |
| 01:41:33 | Cloudchaser_ | ah when i restore back up and everything seems to work |
| 01:43:10 | shoe | even the programs you installed on sd? |
| 01:44:47 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: change the remaining rm of locale.alias (under the BinaryInstallCmds section of libc6.mk) to rm -f, just for shits |
| 01:46:14 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: er, i meant under SubBinaryInstallCmds |
| 01:46:33 | Cloudchaser_ | shoe: so far yes |
| 01:46:41 | Cloudchaser_ | i installed oz one day |
| 01:46:51 | Cloudchaser_ | it was a bit broken |
| 01:46:56 | Cloudchaser_ | so i reflashed with sharp rom |
| 01:46:59 | shoe | Cloud: it's gotten tons better |
| 01:47:03 | kergoth | shoe, Cloudchaser_: sounds like the sharp rom pulls some weird shit to handle that, if thats the case. |
| 01:47:03 | Cloudchaser_ | restored backup and voila |
| 01:47:04 | shoe | it's stable and completely usable now |
| 01:47:10 | fredh | hey kergoth, sorry to interrupt, but I can't find this jeode extraction script |
| 01:47:13 | kergoth | shoe, Cloudchaser_: er i meants the sharp backup app |
| 01:47:21 | shoe | right |
| 01:47:24 | Cloudchaser_ | kergoth: how do you mean? |
| 01:47:27 | kergoth | fredh: pester ben meyer, i heard he was working on it, never heard if it was released |
| 01:47:27 | shoe | that will work in OZ, right? |
| 01:47:31 | shoe | should... |
| 01:47:33 | shoe | I'll try that |
| 01:47:35 | fredh | ah, I see, ok thanks |
| 01:47:45 | Cloudchaser_ | shoe: oz has no backup/restore that i know of |
| 01:47:48 | Cloudchaser_ | so no |
| 01:47:53 | Cloudchaser_ | you'd have to reinstall everything |
| 01:47:56 | kergoth | Cloudchaser_: it's likely qquerying hte ipkg database on the card, dumping a file list, converting it to paths in /, then saving hte symlinks in the tar |
| 01:48:03 | shoe | right |
| 01:48:05 | shoe | that was my problem |
| 01:48:07 | kergoth | Cloudchaser_: databackup works, but not for installed apps, only for configuration and app data. |
| 01:48:16 | [DrEvil] | (rm $(BUILD_DIR)/ipktemp/libc6/usr/share/locale/locale.alias 2>/dev/null; true) && |
| 01:48:17 | [DrEvil] | that line? |
| 01:48:33 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: yeah |
| 01:48:40 | Cloudchaser_ | kergoth: so its not so useful then? |
| 01:48:45 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: it shouldnt even be possible for it to exit right there, but your log says it does.. |
| 01:48:47 | kergoth | Cloudchaser_: hmm? |
| 01:48:49 | [DrEvil] | so remove the path to locale.alias? |
| 01:49:07 | kergoth | Cloudchaser_: the most important thing to most people to back up is their application data. calandar, todo, addresssbook. |
| 01:49:12 | [DrEvil] | or do like I did for the other line? |
| 01:49:21 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: what'd you do to the other line again? |
| 01:49:31 | Cloudchaser_ | kergoth but what about all the other data? |
| 01:49:35 | [DrEvil] | I took out the entire rm ....locale.alias part |
| 01:49:36 | kergoth | Cloudchaser_: what data? |
| 01:49:42 | [DrEvil] | and just left (true) |
| 01:49:47 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: ah, that may very well work here too. try that. |
| 01:50:04 | Cloudchaser_ | stuff like iqnotes data, todo data (tkc) |
| 01:50:11 | kergoth | Cloudchaser_: databackup backs up Applications, Settings |
| 01:50:22 | kergoth | Cloudchaser_: which contains the app configuration for tkc, iqnotes, every installed app. |
| 01:50:44 | Cloudchaser_ | the configuration yes but what about the data files? |
| 01:50:44 | kergoth | Cloudchaser_: the only thing it doesnt backup i dont believe, is Documents and the apps themselves (though i thinkt heres a checkbox for documetns) |
| 01:50:50 | kergoth | Cloudchaser_: you're not hearing |
| 01:50:59 | Cloudchaser_ | i'm sorry |
| 01:51:04 | kergoth | Cloudchaser_: /root/Settings = app config |
| 01:51:09 | kergoth | Cloudchaser_: /root/Applications = app data |
| 01:51:15 | kergoth | Cloudchaser_: both of which get backed up by databackup |
| 01:51:18 | kergoth | Cloudchaser_: clear? |
| 01:51:21 | Cloudchaser_ | ok |
| 01:51:23 | kergoth | hrm |
| 01:51:25 | Cloudchaser_ | yes |
| 01:51:26 | kergoth | i forgot to eat dinner |
| 01:51:29 | kergoth | wtf |
| 01:53:05 | [DrEvil] | doh |
| 01:53:11 | [DrEvil] | I got shell erros |
| 01:53:13 | [DrEvil] | errors |
| 01:53:39 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: gah, send me those too, what the hell. I wish that person who submitted the patch to make it build in mandrake wouldve actually attached the patch. |
| 01:54:04 | [DrEvil] | and you can't contact them because they did it anonymously |
| 01:54:14 | kergoth | yep |
| 01:54:16 | kergoth | bastards |
| 01:54:16 | kergoth | ah well |
| 01:54:28 | kergoth | brb, gotta scrounge something up for dinner |
| 01:55:02 | Cloudchaser_ | stupid mozilla add .exe onto the zimage when downloading |
| 02:05:18 | jbardin | z0r |
| 02:05:26 | jbardin | is the QTextBrowser available on the Z? |
| 02:12:40 | jbardin | interesting... |
| 02:53:53 | Cloudchaser_ | - |
| 03:06:19 | warmi | hi |
| 03:12:22 | jbardin | hmm is there a compilder flag i need to use to combine c and c++ code? |
| 03:13:15 | erikd | warmi! |
| 03:13:19 | warmi | you are trying to include C methods in C++ program ? |
| 03:13:22 | erikd | i have a question for you :) |
| 03:13:26 | warmi | erikd: sur |
| 03:13:28 | warmi | sure |
| 03:13:32 | jbardin | warmi yea |
| 03:13:44 | erikd | with your sqlite wrapper do i need to delete the objects manually or is it automatic? |
| 03:14:31 | warmi | erikd: you mean result objects? |
| 03:15:09 | warmi | no, they are reference based .. no need to delete |
| 03:15:23 | jbardin | warmi do you knwo howto accomplish this? |
| 03:15:34 | warmi | #ifdef __cplusplus |
| 03:15:34 | warmi | extern "C" { /* I really dislike this - iwj. */ |
| 03:15:34 | warmi | #endif |
| 03:15:52 | erikd | warmi: the SQLiteDB objects and the QueryResult objects |
| 03:15:53 | warmi | #ifdef __cplusplus |
| 03:15:53 | warmi | extern "C" { /* I really dislike this - iwj. */ |
| 03:15:53 | warmi | #endif |
| 03:15:54 | erikd | both of 'em |
| 03:16:16 | warmi | SQLiteDB object you need to delete |
| 03:16:22 | erikd | ok |
| 03:16:27 | erikd | goes through his code and adds that |
| 03:16:36 | warmi | QueryResult there is no need since you never get the pointer to the object |
| 03:17:03 | warmi | it is a reference based class , just like QString |
| 03:17:08 | erikd | what if i don't use pointers to the SQLiteDB object? |
| 03:17:21 | warmi | then you don't delete it |
| 03:17:25 | erikd | ok |
| 03:17:26 | warmi | just like any other C++ object |
| 03:17:36 | erikd | doesn't know what a reference based class is :) |
| 03:17:40 | warmi | you only call 'delete' if you call 'new; |
| 03:18:07 | erikd | ah |
| 03:18:18 | erikd | but not if it's one of the qt objects? |
| 03:18:21 | larnix | how can i restart the zaurus in terminal mode? |
| 03:18:34 | jbardin | thansk |
| 03:19:16 | warmi | http://www.warmi.net/httpd/html/qt-2.3/shclass.html |
| 03:19:27 | warmi | shared class .. reference based class if you are interested |
| 03:20:08 | jbardin | rock on |
| 03:20:14 | warmi | jbardin: basically you need to wrap definition of your C method in that extern C thingy |
| 03:21:25 | warmi | in your CPP class file just include at the top : |
| 03:21:26 | warmi | extern "C" |
| 03:21:26 | warmi | { |
| 03:21:26 | warmi | void memc(void *dest, void *src,int dwords); |
| 03:21:26 | warmi | void asmFullScreen270_16(void *dst, void *src); |
| 03:21:26 | warmi | void asmFullScreen0_16(void *dst, void *src); |
| 03:21:28 | warmi | void try_asm(void *dst, void *src); |
| 03:21:30 | warmi | |
| 03:21:32 | warmi | } |
| 03:21:34 | warmi | these are just examples |
| 03:22:02 | warmi | and then you can call these funtions from your C++ class code |
| 03:23:41 | jbardin | roger |
| 03:23:45 | jbardin | that should work for now |
| 03:24:00 | warmi | erikd: normally you can just use QueryResult qr=db.execSQL("select * from ..."); |
| 03:24:10 | warmi | and then forget about QueryResult .. |
| 03:24:10 | jbardin | i found some code that is written in C but i need the qt gui which is written in c++ to interface with the methods in the C code |
| 03:24:21 | warmi | it will go out of scope when your method returns |
| 03:24:56 | erikd | ok |
| 03:25:11 | erikd | i usually do just SQLiteDB dbo; too |
| 03:25:17 | erikd | is that good or bad practice? |
| 03:25:20 | warmi | jbardin: well, if it is a good C code then its h file should already include extern C |
| 03:25:44 | warmi | erikd: normally you should include in your class definition SQLiteDB dbo; |
| 03:26:00 | warmi | and then just in constructor or whatever call dbo.open(..) etc |
| 03:26:00 | erikd | oh |
| 03:26:05 | erikd | hmmm |
| 03:26:24 | warmi | but that depends on the program .. how it works .. |
| 03:26:41 | warmi | there is no point creating temporary dbo objects in ever class method |
| 03:26:50 | warmi | but, as I said, it is up to you |
| 03:27:15 | erikd | does it slow the app down a lot to create a new one and open the db for every (well, almost every) db access? |
| 03:27:23 | warmi | yeah |
| 03:27:32 | erikd | will have to change that then |
| 03:27:42 | warmi | in my NFDB I just open it once in the constructor |
| 03:27:49 | erikd | ok |
| 03:27:56 | erikd | that makes sense |
| 03:28:01 | warmi | and then just call dbo.execSQL() |
| 03:28:25 | erikd | right |
| 03:28:35 | warmi | the only issue here is that your db will stay open for the duration of the program |
| 03:28:38 | erikd | and then dbo.close() in the destructor? |
| 03:28:45 | erikd | what's bad about that? |
| 03:29:04 | warmi | if you have another programm accessing the same database it would be a problem |
| 03:29:14 | erikd | ah |
| 03:29:14 | warmi | if you don't .. then there is no problem |
| 03:29:19 | erikd | i don't think there will be |
| 03:29:47 | warmi | erikd: you don't have to call close() |
| 03:29:57 | erikd | ok |
| 03:29:59 | warmi | your dbo object is part of Qt class |
| 03:30:15 | warmi | and therefore will go out of scope when your class object dies |
| 03:30:29 | erikd | and close is in the destructor for SQLiteDB? |
| 03:30:30 | warmi | and when it goes out of scope, its destructor will be called |
| 03:30:40 | warmi | and the destructor calls close if the db was open |
| 03:30:41 | warmi | yeah |
| 03:30:47 | erikd | cool |
| 03:30:54 | erikd | i love your wrapper, btw :) |
| 03:31:14 | warmi | erikd: yeah .. it is much easier to work with then original C SQLite code |
| 03:31:28 | warmi | not perfect but does 95% of what one needs from db |
| 03:31:44 | erikd | i have a new cpp file where i rearranged the order the defaults for the constructor are set so the compiler doesn't complain anymore |
| 03:32:00 | warmi | erikd: I never bothered with thatin my Puzz-le game |
| 03:32:09 | warmi | it only makes a difference in very rare cases :-) |
| 03:32:17 | warmi | but , you are right, gcc will complain |
| 03:32:20 | erikd | yeah |
| 03:32:34 | erikd | i thought it was more "professional" without warnings :) |
| 03:32:36 | erikd | so i did that |
| 03:32:45 | warmi | yeah |
| 03:33:15 | erikd | since it's open source and people might compile it themselves i wanted to make sure they didn't think something was b0rked :) |
| 03:33:57 | warmi | well, that is not a big deal .. quite often you will see code ( like KDE) with tons of unused variables etc .. screens worth of gcc bitching :-) |
| 03:34:11 | erikd | ah |
| 03:34:24 | erikd | hasn't compiled kde yet |
| 03:34:29 | erikd | dunno if i want to either ;) |
| 03:34:45 | warmi | I always do that just because I had some problems using RPM once |
| 03:34:57 | warmi | it is a bitch though .. couple of hours on a good system |
| 03:35:24 | warmi | erikd: have you seen Harlekin recently ? |
| 03:35:25 | erikd | yeah, when i got this system i'm on up and running i tried compiling it but it just refused to work |
| 03:35:29 | erikd | nope |
| 03:35:36 | | harlekin was last seen on #opie 5 hours, 28 minutes and 38 seconds ago, saying: hey drw [Tue Aug 13 23:06:58 2002] |
| 03:35:36 | warmi | ibot seen harlekin |
| 03:36:01 | warmi | well, he is in Europe so he most likely sleeps now |
| 03:36:25 | warmi | erikd: how's your app going overall ? |
| 03:36:33 | erikd | really nicely |
| 03:36:36 | warmi | have any new info on your WWW page ? |
| 03:36:41 | erikd | i'd say it's more than 75% done |
| 03:36:48 | erikd | there's ui stuff on there now |
| 03:36:48 | warmi | (darien page, I should say) |
| 03:36:55 | warmi | did you guys get your Z yet ? |
| 03:36:58 | erikd | nothing about the code, though |
| 03:37:00 | erikd | no |
| 03:37:15 | erikd | i think i should have the beta coded by the end of this week, though |
| 03:37:20 | warmi | ok |
| 03:37:37 | erikd | we have 3 main tabs and i've pretty much coded all of 2 of 'em |
| 03:37:41 | erikd | and part of the 3rd one |
| 03:37:50 | warmi | great |
| 03:38:06 | erikd | but the 3rd one will take the longest (i think) because there's a ton of math and stuff involved that i have to plan out first |
| 03:38:15 | erikd | (the 3rd one is the graph, btw) |
| 03:38:32 | warmi | yeah ... there are specialized graph widgets available for qt |
| 03:38:42 | erikd | where? :) |
| 03:38:44 | erikd | i didn't see one |
| 03:38:50 | warmi | one sec |
| 03:39:34 | erikd | i was looking at an app called qplot that has a graph in it and i was going to see if we could use that one, but it relied too heavily on the app itself |
| 03:41:23 | warmi | http://qtai.sourceforge.net/ |
| 03:41:33 | warmi | I am not sure if this is the kind of graph you are looking for |
| 03:42:07 | erikd | yeah, but i think that's a little too advanced :) |
| 03:42:20 | erikd | i want to try making my own too to see if i can do it |
| 03:42:36 | warmi | yeah, sure |
| 03:43:32 | erikd | that's half the fun :) |
| 03:44:05 | whardier | woot |
| 03:44:19 | whardier | look up "network joystick" on google.. hit "I'm feeling lucky" |
| 03:44:50 | erikd | ... |
| 03:45:12 | erikd | look up "erikd" on google and hit "I'm feeling lucky" :) |
| 03:45:15 | warmi | erikd: if you are looking for general ideas how to implement this stuff then check out this : http://www.codeguru.com/controls/index.shtml |
| 03:45:44 | warmi | under Charting and analogue controls |
| 03:46:01 | warmi | it is Windows MFC C++ code with various implementations of charts etc |
| 03:46:07 | erikd | ah |
| 03:46:09 | erikd | sweet |
| 03:46:13 | warmi | if you get stuck on something it might be helpfull |
| 03:46:13 | erikd | thanks |
| 03:48:52 | warmi | erikd: you have the URL for WWW site with stuff you are working on ? |
| 03:48:57 | warmi | (the app) |
| 03:50:17 | erikd | http://zaurus.kruss.com/dev |
| 03:50:24 | erikd | it's under projects |
| 03:53:12 | warmi | thanks |
| 03:53:22 | erikd | np |
| 03:53:54 | scanline | w00t.. OZ kernel compiled fine, my PPC to ARM cross-compiler works |
| 03:53:58 | warmi | erikd: looks great |
| 03:54:09 | warmi | BZFlagIndia: so .. how is it ? |
| 03:54:11 | erikd | warmi: thanks |
| 03:54:25 | warmi | hehe .. any near death experiences ? |
| 03:54:26 | warmi | hehe |
| 03:54:28 | erikd | darien did the ui, though :) |
| 03:54:38 | warmi | erikd: yeah .. it does look nice |
| 03:55:00 | erikd | oh, you might be able to answer another of my questions |
| 03:55:17 | erikd | you see that ss of the new entry tab? with the 1-0 and . buttons? |
| 03:55:36 | BZFlagIndia | warmi: pleasant weather. interesting people. |
| 03:56:02 | BZFlagIndia | if I could loose this head cold I got in NY I'd be having a blast. ;-) |
| 03:56:13 | erikd | is it possible to send a keystroke to the combo box when one of those buttons is pressed? |
| 03:56:26 | erikd | as of now i'm just appending the char to the end if the string |
| 03:56:34 | erikd | india, hmm? |
| 03:57:22 | warmi | erikd: what's wrong with appending char ? |
| 03:57:37 | warmi | this is precisely what would sending keystroke accomplish |
| 03:57:46 | erikd | well, if someone selects the text in the combo box and presses a button it doesn't get replaced, it gets appended |
| 03:59:52 | warmi | one sec |
| 04:00:39 | warmi | bool QApplication::sendEvent ( QObject * receiver, QEvent * event ) |
| 04:00:54 | erikd | ah |
| 04:00:56 | erikd | cool |
| 04:01:04 | erikd | makes a note of that |
| 04:01:05 | warmi | you could create QKeyEvent |
| 04:01:11 | warmi | and then send it using this function |
| 04:01:19 | warmi | QObject would be your QComboBox |
| 04:02:01 | erikd | qt is so cool :) |
| 04:02:13 | scanline | haha |
| 04:02:18 | warmi | or you can do it another way |
| 04:02:22 | warmi | just call QString QLineEdit::markedText () |
| 04:02:39 | warmi | which will return selected text and then you can basically remove that selected part or something like that |
| 04:02:52 | warmi | but sending event should work fine |
| 04:03:00 | erikd | will try the sendEvent(). looks like less work :) |
| 04:03:33 | warmi | if sending even to QComboBox doesn't work for some reason |
| 04:03:45 | warmi | send it to QLineEdit of that QComboBox |
| 04:03:57 | warmi | * |
| 04:03:57 | warmi | QLineEdit* lineEdit () const |
| 04:04:09 | erikd | it inherits QObject so i'd think it would |
| 04:04:14 | warmi | QComboBox::lineEdit() will return pointer to the QLineEdit widget combo box uses |
| 04:04:24 | warmi | erikd: well .. it is composite widget .. |
| 04:04:32 | warmi | has QListBox and QLineEdit |
| 04:04:36 | erikd | oh |
| 04:05:17 | warmi | well, after all it is QLineEdit part of QComboBox you are talking about :-) |
| 04:05:24 | erikd | yeah |
| 04:05:28 | warmi | but maybe even sending to QComboBox will work directly |
| 04:05:44 | warmi | you won't know until you try it |
| 04:05:44 | warmi | heh |
| 04:05:53 | erikd | line edit inherits QObject too |
| 04:05:57 | erikd | alwell |
| 04:06:00 | warmi | yeah |
| 04:06:01 | erikd | adds to the TODO |
| 04:06:16 | erikd | no more coding for tonight. i'm about dead |
| 04:06:22 | warmi | every control in QT inherits from QObject |
| 04:06:24 | erikd | i've been up for 19 hours |
| 04:06:26 | warmi | hehe |
| 04:06:27 | erikd | ah |
| 04:06:31 | warmi | yeah, that would do it |
| 04:06:37 | BZFlagIndia | erikd: try a flight to india. ;-) |
| 04:06:44 | erikd | damn allergies woke me up at 5 =/ |
| 04:06:50 | erikd | bz: hah, that'd do it too :) |
| 04:07:13 | erikd | how 'bout this, i'll trade 'ya |
| 04:07:20 | warmi | BZFlagIndia: 16 hours ? |
| 04:07:32 | erikd | you take my allergies and get up at 5 and i'll fly to india |
| 04:07:44 | BZFlagIndia | heh. no thanx. got a head cold already, don't need alergies to boot. |
| 04:07:49 | warmi | heh |
| 04:07:50 | erikd | hehe |
| 04:08:01 | erikd | just came off a cold =/ |
| 04:08:12 | erikd | i brought it upon myself, though |
| 04:08:22 | erikd | 72 hour lan. mmmm |
| 04:08:25 | BZFlagIndia | warmi: I left UT on sunday 11:23AM and got to India Tuesday 10:15am |
| 04:08:33 | erikd | i just got the pics up on the net today |
| 04:08:37 | warmi | well, that's bad |
| 04:08:46 | erikd | http://www.wisconlan.net/images/2k2v1/ |
| 04:09:23 | VerxHome | man |
| 04:09:27 | warmi | my buddy ( who is indian) is flying Kuwait airlines with stop in Kuwait city |
| 04:09:30 | erikd | http://www.wisconlan.net/images/2k2v1/wayne/erikzilla_(aka_aphistic).jpg <-- it's erikd! |
| 04:09:32 | VerxHome | I guess Sharp has completely filled their inboxes |
| 04:09:33 | VerxHome | rofl |
| 04:09:35 | warmi | but he said it was altogether around 16 hours or so |
| 04:11:02 | warmi | erikd: pictures from lan party ? |
| 04:11:05 | BZFlagIndia | http://rikers.org/timr-christ.jpg <- it's BZFlag (well, ok, in stage makeup ;-) |
| 04:11:11 | warmi | what did you guys play ? |
| 04:11:15 | erikd | warmi: yup |
| 04:11:23 | erikd | cs, q3, starcraft, aoe |
| 04:11:26 | warmi | ah ok |
| 04:11:27 | erikd | in that order |
| 04:11:39 | warmi | yeah, we used to play AOK exclusively |
| 04:11:42 | erikd | it was a blast |
| 04:11:46 | BZFlagIndia | what, no bzflag? =( |
| 04:12:01 | warmi | now they switched to Warcraft 3 |
| 04:12:01 | erikd | is there a bzflag binary for windows? |
| 04:12:08 | erikd | i think i was the only one with a linux box there |
| 04:12:15 | warmi | BZFlagIndia: hehehe ... people have Windows machines |
| 04:12:21 | BZFlagIndia | yep. and linux, and irix, and mac osx, and ... |
| 04:12:29 | erikd | and arm! |
| 04:12:37 | VerxHome | erikd: This is my lan group: www.team-lan.com |
| 04:12:44 | warmi | no arm .. not on the Zaurus .. :-) |
| 04:12:48 | BZFlagIndia | warmi: no problem, grab the windows binary off bzflag.org |
| 04:12:53 | warmi | not without fixed point OpenGL |
| 04:13:00 | erikd | i think it's time for a bzflag on the z |
| 04:13:09 | BZFlagIndia | warmi: debian arm has bzflag but it wants x/glx |
| 04:13:28 | BZFlagIndia | need an fpu badly. |
| 04:13:29 | warmi | BZFlagIndia: I mean .. after all Quake (1) was written using software renderer |
| 04:13:42 | warmi | and was running ok on 200 MHZ boxes |
| 04:13:43 | erikd | verx: cool |
| 04:13:49 | BZFlagIndia | bz with all options off gets like 6 fps when I tested on an ipaq. |
| 04:13:53 | erikd | wisconlan isn't really a lan group per se |
| 04:14:08 | erikd | it's just a once (maybe twice) per year lan i started |
| 04:14:21 | erikd | but i do have lans here at my house once in awhile |
| 04:14:35 | warmi | BZFlagIndia: well, you need optimized handcoded triangle rasterizer to get anything better than that |
| 04:14:44 | warmi | just like original Quake did |
| 04:15:09 | warmi | or forget about texturing altogether and just use polygons |
| 04:15:10 | warmi | heh |
| 04:15:29 | warmi | erikd: I used to play every weekend |
| 04:15:39 | warmi | every saturday for 10-12 hours |
| 04:15:43 | erikd | that would be great :) |
| 04:15:58 | warmi | but it was a very small lan party |
| 04:16:05 | warmi | 4-5 people in my friend basement |
| 04:16:08 | erikd | everyone would get sick of my lans if we did that, though |
| 04:16:26 | erikd | they'd get sick of my CS ownage :) |
| 04:16:29 | warmi | hehe |
| 04:16:57 | warmi | I never played CS .. not even once |
| 04:17:03 | erikd | !@#$ |
| 04:17:05 | erikd | ... |
| 04:17:07 | erikd | how... |
| 04:17:09 | erikd | ack |
| 04:17:11 | erikd | dies |
| 04:17:30 | warmi | I am not that crazy about first person shooters |
| 04:17:35 | erikd | ah |
| 04:17:36 | warmi | I play RCW but |
| 04:17:44 | warmi | most of the time I prefer games like Age of Kings |
| 04:17:45 | warmi | etc |
| 04:17:59 | erikd | i'd be better at cs if my lappy wouldn't be so stupid |
| 04:18:06 | warmi | hehe |
| 04:18:06 | erikd | whenever i hold down a key the mouse jitters |
| 04:18:26 | erikd | not much, but it's enough to throw off my aim when i'm walking or crouching |
| 04:18:50 | warmi | erikd: CS is like more realistic Quake right ? |
| 04:18:55 | erikd | yeah |
| 04:19:04 | erikd | well... not -too- realistic |
| 04:19:18 | codemnky | yes it's me |
| 04:19:29 | codemnky | i'm hear to heckle and give bad advise |
| 04:19:30 | erikd | you still have health meters and the only 1 shot kill gun is the awp and all the noobs hate it :) |
| 04:19:57 | codemnky | you know, the Z is water proof up to 50 meters |
| 04:19:59 | warmi | erikd: but at least it is not "ray of death" or some other crap |
| 04:20:06 | warmi | like in Quake |
| 04:20:28 | erikd | heh |
| 04:20:56 | erikd | i loved playing quake deathmatches and taking the lightning gun in the water with a few other people and killing them by discharging the gun |
| 04:21:15 | erikd | i'd die myself, but that's the price you have to pay :) |
| 04:21:27 | warmi | well, I loved BFG gun .. rarity but man |
| 04:21:33 | warmi | it had this awesome sound |
| 04:21:35 | erikd | mmm |
| 04:21:36 | erikd | yeah |
| 04:21:48 | erikd | they broke the bfg in q3 =/ |
| 04:22:00 | erikd | or rather they fixed it, depending on the way you look at it |
| 04:22:11 | warmi | actually my favourite used to be the granade launcher in Quake 1 |
| 04:22:32 | warmi | I loved to pump couple of granades into room full of people |
| 04:22:41 | erikd | i was partial to the super nailgun |
| 04:22:55 | warmi | but these days if I play FPS it is Return to Castle Wolfenstein |
| 04:22:57 | erikd | and then the railgun in q2 |
| 04:23:03 | erikd | and the rocket launcher in q3 |
| 04:23:07 | warmi | hehe |
| 04:23:16 | erikd | actually, i still like the railgun in q3 |
| 04:23:46 | erikd | there's this cool mod for q3 called corkscrew. it's like instagib with railguns and grapples |
| 04:24:03 | erikd | could talk forever about gaming |
| 04:24:11 | warmi | erikd: I remember playing on some servers when railgun was the only available weapon |
| 04:24:33 | warmi | anyway .. time to go get some sleep |
| 04:24:34 | codemnky | you guys play |
| 04:24:35 | warmi | see you later |
| 04:24:39 | erikd | i never really got to play quake or q2 in the height of its popularity, though -/ |
| 04:24:43 | codemnky | metal of honor |
| 04:24:44 | erikd | =/* |
| 04:24:47 | codemnky | psII |
| 04:24:51 | erikd | i don't |
| 04:24:55 | codemnky | it's pretty cool |
| 04:24:56 | warmi | codemnky: yeah .. I have it |
| 04:25:05 | codemnky | you know who priduced it? |
| 04:25:06 | erikd | my lappy doesn't like the q3 engine much |
| 04:25:07 | warmi | but I never played it online |
| 04:25:09 | codemnky | produced |
| 04:25:10 | erikd | so i avoid those games |
| 04:25:19 | warmi | codemnky: EA I think |
| 04:25:30 | codemnky | grab the instruction book |
| 04:25:33 | codemnky | check this out |
| 04:25:43 | erikd | wants to work at the local gameshop |
| 04:25:52 | erikd | raven software++ :) |
| 04:26:03 | codemnky | have the book? |
| 04:26:14 | codemnky | i mean, created it |
| 04:26:21 | codemnky | this is kinda cool |
| 04:26:22 | warmi | I can't find the instruction |
| 04:26:26 | warmi | but I do have the box |
| 04:26:31 | codemnky | Steven Spilburg |
| 04:26:36 | codemnky | however it's spelled |
| 04:26:41 | codemnky | look at the very last credit |
| 04:26:46 | warmi | heheheh |
| 04:26:48 | codemnky | in the back |
| 04:26:51 | warmi | well .. |
| 04:27:05 | warmi | considering Omaha beach level .. |
| 04:27:18 | erikd | jeez. i need sleep. |
| 04:27:24 | warmi | there are couple of maps modeled after Saving Private Ryan |
| 04:27:28 | warmi | erikd: so I do |
| 04:27:32 | warmi | so do I :-) |
| 04:27:32 | erikd | i have to take my brother to the high school at 7 tomorrow =/ |
| 04:27:32 | codemnky | yep |
| 04:27:44 | codemnky | give him bus change |
| 04:27:47 | warmi | yeah .. good idea with that sleep |
| 04:27:49 | warmi | see you |
| 04:27:56 | erikd | we don't have buses |
| 04:28:09 | erikd | i live in the 'burbs :) |
| 04:28:22 | erikd | time for bed, though |
| 04:28:24 | codemnky | Fed-X him |
| 04:28:24 | erikd | g'night guys |
| 04:28:28 | codemnky | later |
| 04:28:29 | erikd | haha |
| 04:28:32 | erikd | g'night :) |
| 04:53:24 | codemnky | hears crickets |
| 04:57:23 | codemnky | Fort Haley Dog |
| 04:57:26 | codemnky | http://www.oddabon.com/fort.jpg |
| 04:57:54 | codemnky | http://www.oddabon.com/dog.jpg |
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| 05:21:59 | scanline | ibot: seen kergoth? |
| 05:23:42 | hcker2000 | hey dose any one know how to set up the z so it can connect to my lan over usb? |
| 05:24:25 | [DrEvil] | you are a hacker |
| 05:24:30 | [DrEvil] | you should be able to handle it |
| 05:25:16 | hcker2000 | well my "hacking" atempts to get on the lan with my z have failed lol |
| 05:25:39 | [DrEvil] | uh-huh |
| 05:25:55 | hcker2000 | so might you have any idea how to do it |
| 06:14:58 | kybu | hi |
| 06:25:08 | switchcat | greetings |
| 06:27:50 | DaWorm | hmm |
| 06:32:19 | arrrg | hmm |
| 06:52:14 | DaWorm | boring |
| 07:04:55 | elge | hi all:) |
| 07:05:23 | elge | is zaurus the only portable meduim to read oggs? what about window pdas? |
| 07:18:54 | oGMo | why would you want one of those? |
| 07:23:28 | DaWorm | i don't think the ppc pdas have ogg players |
| 07:23:44 | DaWorm | besides if they wanted one, its just software :P |
| 07:28:01 | kolla | speaking of... which ogg player does zaurus have? I found one but it required a libvorbis which I could not find |
| 07:28:30 | scanline | ogg123! |
| 07:29:09 | Jerakeen | ooh, I found mplayer... Scary. Anyone got this to work? |
| 07:29:17 | Jerakeen | Needs libncurses 4, for some reason. |
| 07:33:04 | kolla | scanline: ok, that's the one I tried |
| 07:34:04 | hcker2000 | hey could any one tell me why my zaurus wont link up to my computer? |
| 07:35:01 | hunger | hcker2000: You are propably doing something wrong. |
| 07:35:15 | hunger | loves being helpful;-) |
| 07:35:23 | hcker2000 | well i was playing with some of the ips :) |
| 07:35:39 | hcker2000 | haha never mind i just fixed it |
| 07:35:40 | hcker2000 | :) |
| 07:36:02 | hcker2000 | hey maby you know if there is a way to set up the z so it can get on my lan useing the usb cradel? |
| 08:42:48 | elge | oGMo and DaWorm: no oggplayers for pocketpc then ?? |
| 08:55:11 | Speedy2 | re |
| 08:55:16 | cdm | hey man. |
| 08:56:07 | George- | yo speed |
| 08:56:22 | Speedy2 | Hi |
| 08:56:27 | Speedy2 | And Hello |
| 08:56:31 | Speedy2 | <--- has napped for a few hrs. |
| 08:56:39 | Speedy2 | What up cdm, George? |
| 08:57:36 | elge | rillian, who was the repeater? |
| 08:57:39 | elge | oops wrong chan |
| 08:58:04 | cdm | Speedy2: need to sleep, driving to LA tomorrow. |
| 08:58:22 | Speedy2 | cdm: Is that a good thing or a bad thing (going to LA)? |
| 08:59:57 | cdm | good thing. |
| 09:00:05 | cdm | gonna see The Tragically Hip and Great Big Sea. |
| 09:00:12 | Speedy2 | Ahh |
| 09:00:16 | Speedy2 | The wife going with? |
| 09:00:26 | cdm | fur sure. |
| 09:00:30 | Speedy2 | c00l |
| 09:00:39 | Speedy2 | How long of a drive? Like 12 hrs, right? |
| 09:02:03 | cdm | yeah, 12-13. |
| 09:02:21 | elge | is there an audio input on zaurus? is it possible to record audio on a pda ? |
| 09:02:34 | elge | with an external microphone |
| 09:03:48 | Speedy2 | elge: Yes, the audio out jack doubles as microphone in |
| 09:04:01 | Speedy2 | Man, that Diamond thread on Slashdot...fucking DeBoers |
| 09:05:04 | Speedy2 | "Fuck DeBeers. They're the RIAA of carbon. " That is a perfect statement |
| 09:08:21 | elge | speed, and what soft can i use to record? it records in wav ? |
| 09:10:10 | Speedy2 | elge: I can't help you there, I am only aware that it can record using that jack. |
| 09:17:37 | scanline | elge: it should be standard /dev/dsp stuff, so you could use any linux sound recording app.. like sox |
| 09:18:28 | Speedy2 | Hey scanline |
| 09:18:41 | scanline | hi Speedy2 |
| 09:19:51 | Speedy2 | How go the LEDs? |
| 09:20:05 | scanline | Speedy2: haven't worked on that in a bit.. right now I'm in canada visiting Xentac |
| 09:20:19 | Speedy2 | I see. |
| 09:20:59 | scanline | and I don't think I'll have time to finish the second revision LED board soon... more important things to do at the moment, and school starts soon |
| 09:21:35 | Speedy2 | Ah. |
| 09:21:54 | Speedy2 | I g0t h0xr3d with some Xilinx 4010Es...I'll do some coolio project with that in the future |
| 09:22:29 | Speedy2 | That dude is big enough to handle 33MHz PCI which is mondo neato... |
| 09:22:45 | Speedy2 | But the prospect of writing x86 drivers sickens me...so it's a turn-off |
| 09:23:49 | scanline | eheh |
| 09:24:15 | Speedy2 | So I'm thinking of doing a uP/uC project in it. |
| 09:24:27 | kolla | uhm... national radio wants to interview me |
| 09:24:37 | Speedy2 | For what position? |
| 09:24:55 | kolla | sitting down I assume :) |
| 09:25:12 | Speedy2 | Not IN what position, FOR what position |
| 09:25:57 | kolla | some radio show and they want to interview someone who might have a close relationship to computers |
| 09:26:13 | kolla | I might have that |
| 09:26:29 | scanline | hi gonkulator |
| 09:26:34 | gonkulator | hi scanline |
| 09:26:41 | gonkulator | scanline: how sits it? |
| 09:26:53 | scanline | debuggifying and such |
| 09:27:56 | Speedy2 | BZFlagIndia: Kya hall hey ? |
| 09:30:27 | gonkulator | hmm... x86 seems to be b0rken |
| 09:30:35 | Speedy2 | gonkulator: You're just now realizing this? |
| 09:30:50 | gonkulator | Speedy2: I have been using PPC since I was small |
| 09:31:50 | gonkulator | PPC and 68k |
| 09:32:07 | Speedy2 | Ah |
| 09:32:09 | Speedy2 | Lucky you. |
| 09:32:31 | gonkulator | yeah, I called my first mac "sparky" |
| 09:33:12 | gonkulator | it ran MacOS 7.0.1 |
| 09:33:15 | gonkulator | so much fun |
| 09:33:48 | Speedy2 | 68K, while being CISC, isn't nearly as nasty as x86 has become. |
| 09:34:03 | gonkulator | that, and apple was smart enough to migrate away from it |
| 09:35:05 | gonkulator | but now, I am being innundated with older x86 hardware as people no longer need their old PCs |
| 09:35:24 | gonkulator | I hope x86 runs linux as well as my PPC laptop |
| 09:35:53 | kolla | ppc laptop being some powerbook? |
| 09:36:01 | gonkulator | kolla: an iBook |
| 09:36:19 | kolla | ok |
| 09:36:22 | gonkulator | I am using Gentoo, and it is quite nice |
| 09:36:29 | kolla | yep |
| 09:36:34 | kolla | gentoo here as well |
| 09:36:42 | gonkulator | it has a cute little apple that glows on the back of the monitor :) |
| 09:37:50 | kolla | I know, I had one upto last sunday :) |
| 09:37:56 | kolla | my previous job |
| 09:38:32 | gonkulator | loves his iBook |
| 09:38:43 | gonkulator | the only problem is the lack of multiple mouse buttons |
| 09:38:56 | kolla | I now have a ibm tinker pad.. I miss the ibook |
| 09:39:15 | gonkulator | lol, tinker pad |
| 09:40:05 | Speedy2 | kolla: What model/type? |
| 09:40:40 | kolla | T23 |
| 09:40:56 | gonkulator | Speedy2: did you see the new PowerMac that Apple released today |
| 09:41:05 | gonkulator | dual 1.25 gHz G4 |
| 09:41:30 | gonkulator | makes me wish I had money to waste |
| 09:42:34 | kolla | :) |
| 09:42:47 | kolla | how much are they asking for it? |
| 09:42:54 | Speedy2 | kolla: T23 is a nice one...give me, please? |
| 09:43:10 | gonkulator | kolla: I dunno, I haven't made it past the spec page |
| 09:43:25 | gonkulator | Speedy2: I thought x86 was a mess |
| 09:43:28 | Speedy2 | gonk: I didn't know they had released a new PMAC, but it's Apple so it will cost a million dollars. |
| 09:43:30 | kolla | Speedy2: if it was up to me, you could have it :) |
| 09:43:43 | kolla | a hot little bastard |
| 09:43:51 | Speedy2 | gonkulator: It is a mess, but compared to alternatives... |
| 09:44:21 | gonkulator | looks at his iBook and wonders what is wrong with it |
| 09:44:30 | kolla | should have a warning tag on it.. "Do not use as laptop!" |
| 09:44:52 | scanline | kolla: does it have a fan? |
| 09:44:57 | gonkulator | like from McDonalds "Caution HOT" |
| 09:45:00 | kolla | scanline: yes |
| 09:45:08 | scanline | kolla: haha.. and it still gets hot.. |
| 09:45:20 | gonkulator | the iBook tops out at 40 degrees C |
| 09:45:21 | Speedy2 | gonkulator: For checking e-mail, writing stuff, etc, both are fine, but little to no Engineering software will run on an iMac/Apple/OSX |
| 09:45:21 | kolla | when it thinks it's too hot it start this fan that blows hot air out the side |
| 09:45:29 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin |
| 09:45:31 | Speedy2 | kolla: It's like a PIII, right? |
| 09:45:39 | Cloudchaser | going to be 105 here today :( |
| 09:45:43 | kolla | gonkulator: yes, however I replaced the disk in mine and then it got somewhat warmer as well |
| 09:46:04 | gonkulator | kolla: oh, I still have the original 10 gigger |
| 09:46:08 | kolla | Speedy2: either pII or pIII |
| 09:46:33 | kolla | Intel(R) Pentium(R) III Mobile CPU 1133MHz |
| 09:46:38 | Speedy2 | Yeah |
| 09:46:44 | kolla | according to /proc/cpuinfo |
| 09:46:53 | Speedy2 | The power mangement on Shintel "mobile" CPUs is retarded |
| 09:46:58 | Speedy2 | Either full-speed or like half-speed |
| 09:47:02 | Speedy2 | (one or the other) |
| 09:47:15 | Speedy2 | The K7 Mobile CPUs have a lot more options, but there aren't any quality laptops built around it |
| 09:47:40 | George- | K7 is out? |
| 09:47:46 | Speedy2 | uhh |
| 09:47:52 | Speedy2 | K7 has been out for a long time |
| 09:48:00 | George- | uhm wait |
| 09:48:07 | George- | I'm thinking of the K8 :) |
| 09:48:12 | kolla | I just wish someone else than apple would put together ppc machines |
| 09:48:21 | Speedy2 | Yeah |
| 09:48:22 | gonkulator | wants a G5 |
| 09:48:32 | George- | gonkulator: yeh |
| 09:48:32 | George- | gonkulator: or a G6 |
| 09:48:35 | George- | :) |
| 09:48:42 | George- | kolla: IBM do |
| 09:48:48 | gonkulator | kolla: penguin computing does G3 machines that fit in a 5 1/4 inch bay |
| 09:48:48 | scanline | preorders a Playstation 9 |
| 09:48:58 | kolla | George-: well, consumer machines |
| 09:49:03 | George- | kolla: oh |
| 09:49:09 | Speedy2 | kolla: Agreed |
| 09:49:21 | George- | I like my apple :) |
| 09:49:21 | Speedy2 | There are/were a few, but Apple f'ing killed Power Computing...losers |
| 09:49:32 | Speedy2 | Apple chipsets suck rox |
| 09:49:35 | gonkulator | George-: so do I :) |
| 09:49:48 | George- | Apple machines 0wn x86 ;) |
| 09:49:52 | gonkulator | Speedy2: what, you don't like having 8 kernel modules for one chip? |
| 09:50:02 | scanline | I like my iBook, only complaint I have is lack of more mouse buttons, and the fact that my iBook needs a new battery |
| 09:50:09 | George- | scanline: hahaha |
| 09:50:16 | George- | scanline: the thing is, it's designed for Mac OS |
| 09:50:25 | George- | scanline: Mac OS doesn't NEED more than 1 mouse button :) |
| 09:50:27 | scanline | yeah.. I ditched MacOS X, it's too slow |
| 09:50:31 | gonkulator | George-: scanline wasn't designed for MacOS |
| 09:50:31 | George- | lol |
| 09:50:35 | George- | gonkulator: hehe |
| 09:50:38 | scanline | that too >:) |
| 09:50:43 | George- | my tibook runs OS X quite nicely |
| 09:50:44 | Speedy2 | gonkulator: The chipsets themselves aren't cutting edge, I'm not talking about the software side of things |
| 09:50:47 | George- | very nippy :) |
| 09:50:56 | George- | Speedy2: why not? |
| 09:51:02 | scanline | drools at George-'s tibook, but the drool steams when it hits the hot case |
| 09:51:15 | George- | scanline: yeh, it gets hot :) |
| 09:51:28 | George- | scanline: but the 15.2" and 5 hour batt, and stuff is nice |
| 09:51:35 | George- | scanline: and the WiFi :) |
| 09:51:47 | gonkulator | has airport in his iBook |
| 09:51:56 | gonkulator | in fact, I am using it right now |
| 09:51:58 | scanline | yah.. I'd love to cram as many Eterms as I can onto an LCD that big :) |
| 09:52:02 | George- | gonkulator: ohhh |
| 09:52:06 | George- | gonkulator: which iBook? |
| 09:52:12 | scanline | Builtin 802.11 antenna on the Mac laptops, definitely a plus |
| 09:52:13 | gonkulator | George-: the old 500 mHz one |
| 09:52:22 | George- | gonkulator: oh, my friend has that |
| 09:52:32 | gonkulator | George-: so does my friend |
| 09:52:32 | George- | I was gonna get that one... |
| 09:52:35 | Speedy2 | George-: They are not cutting edge, because they are not. They're slow to adopt memory technologies (i.e. DDR) and what chipsets they have aren't that fast (i.e. PCI implementation is not best, etc) |
| 09:52:42 | scanline | gonkulator and I got iBooks at about the same time, we've had em for a little over a year now |
| 09:52:46 | gonkulator | my friend scanline, Mark, Jai, Evan, Kyle, Matt Hamilton |
| 09:52:48 | George- | Speedy2: seen the Xscale? |
| 09:52:59 | Speedy2 | George-: It's a POS (PXA250) |
| 09:53:02 | George- | ? |
| 09:53:06 | Speedy2 | And I never claimed Shintel did thing properly |
| 09:53:11 | Speedy2 | POS == Piece of Shit |
| 09:53:14 | Speedy2 | did things |
| 09:53:16 | George- | er.. |
| 09:53:27 | George- | hehe |
| 09:53:28 | Speedy2 | I'm not saying x86 is >> or better than PPC or anything, I'm only saying Apple's chipsets are no good. |
| 09:53:29 | scanline | Speedy2: Apple has done some good things with chipsets, like building fast Gigabit ethernet onto the motherboard |
| 09:53:29 | George- | ok |
| 09:53:37 | George- | I meant to say Xserve :) |
| 09:53:40 | George- | lol |
| 09:53:52 | Speedy2 | scanline: Adding GBit Ethernet to the motherboard != good chipset design |
| 09:53:58 | George- | Speedy2: why not? |
| 09:54:08 | George- | Speedy2: I like having gigabit on my tibook.... |
| 09:54:11 | Speedy2 | Cause they just plonked down a chip onto the motheboard, I'm talking about the core logic |
| 09:54:17 | Speedy2 | So? It's irrelevant. |
| 09:54:23 | George- | heh |
| 09:54:32 | George- | ok |
| 09:54:35 | George- | bbiab - lunch |
| 09:54:38 | Speedy2 | We're discussing Apple's core logic and chipsets not what chips they put on the motherboard |
| 09:54:41 | scanline | Speedy2: I don't remember exactly how it's connected, but they used something faster than PCI for the gigabit ethernet IIRC |
| 09:54:51 | gonkulator | Speedy2: I have routinely gotten twice the throughput from the mac chipsets when compared to the PC counterparts |
| 09:55:01 | gonkulator | in networking |
| 09:55:14 | Speedy2 | gonkulator: What the hell are you talking about? I'm discussing core logic, not Ethernet |
| 09:55:29 | Speedy2 | Throughput doing what? |
| 09:55:29 | gonkulator | Speedy2: I am talking about Ethernet, sorry |
| 09:55:46 | gonkulator | Speedy2: large file transfer |
| 09:55:46 | scanline | Speedy2: peripherals are important too :P |
| 09:55:56 | gonkulator | I work in an A/V lab |
| 09:56:10 | gonkulator | is the geek who takes care of the computers |
| 09:56:25 | scanline | Speedy2: in the ibooks at least, ethernet, USB, sound, memory control, and everything is on one chip anyway |
| 09:58:51 | Speedy2 | I think they bought their Ethernet core... |
| 09:59:22 | scanline | Apple buys a lot of stuff... the iPod and the Airport base station were almost completely 3rd party designs |
| 09:59:30 | scanline | but that doesn't make the product any less interesting |
| 09:59:54 | gonkulator | loves his iPod |
| 10:01:01 | gonkulator | yay for OpenCores |
| 10:01:11 | Speedy2 | ?? |
| 10:01:13 | Jerakeen | Frankly, the big wn they have from my pov is that there's one hardware layout, and things Just Work. I mess with too much shitty x86 hardware to not appreciate that. |
| 10:01:38 | gonkulator | Jerakeen: agreed |
| 10:01:41 | scanline | Jerakeen: makes the software easier for them.. if only OS X was fast ;) |
| 10:02:59 | Speedy2 | But they also completely control hardware and makes introducing anything other than what they offer tough |
| 10:03:24 | George- | scanline: the AirPort card is a rebranded orinico gold/silver |
| 10:03:30 | George- | scanline: iirc |
| 10:03:43 | gonkulator | Speedy2: in today's economic system, is it possible any other way? |
| 10:03:46 | scanline | George-: I know, it's just nice to have the builtin antenna |
| 10:03:59 | George- | the built in ariel rocks :) |
| 10:04:07 | scanline | George-: gets much better signal than Xentac's thinkpad with the dlink card sticking out the side :) |
| 10:04:23 | George- | hehe |
| 10:04:32 | George- | the TiBook has a rather low signal reception, though |
| 10:04:37 | George- | iBook is apparently MUCH better |
| 10:04:45 | Speedy2 | gonkulator: I think they have eliminated any clever or promising designs, forcing you to accept what they give. It may work, but it can be very sub-optimal (as has been the case in the past) |
| 10:04:50 | scanline | it's what they get for using a metal frame I suppose |
| 10:04:57 | George- | yeh |
| 10:05:02 | George- | the titanium frame is nice :))) |
| 10:05:20 | scanline | Speedy2: that would be a really bad thing if Apple was the monopoly, but as it is they're just a competitor to Microsoft |
| 10:05:20 | George- | perhaps they should have used the frame itself as the receiver? :) |
| 10:05:32 | scanline | George-: Maybe they would if it wasn't for the FCC :) |
| 10:05:37 | George- | lol |
| 10:05:54 | George- | hacks his tibook to make the entire case an ariel :) |
| 10:06:08 | George- | bbiab |
| 10:06:12 | Speedy2 | scanline: They're peripheral to M$ because they consider hardware their main business. They would be a competetor to M$ if they released OSX (full) on x86 |
| 10:06:36 | seth | If there any vlc people in here right now: any plans to port vlc to the zaurus? |
| 10:06:47 | gonkulator | Speedy2: what would the optimal system? |
| 10:07:00 | scanline | Speedy2: IMHO both the software side and hardware side of apple have a place.. though it would be good if they could decide what they're focusing on (i.e. not charge for OS upgrades if they're really a hardware company) |
| 10:07:04 | Speedy2 | gonkulator: I don't follow |
| 10:07:23 | gonkulator | Speedy2: I stepped away for a second, I was responding to your last comment to me |
| 10:08:21 | Speedy2 | gonkulator: I just meant that they can go with sub-optimal design choices (i.e. crappier DRAM, PCI implementations, etc) and you can't do anything about it. |
| 10:08:46 | scanline | Speedy2: you could go to some other company that's also using crappy DRAM and PCI :) |
| 10:09:03 | Speedy2 | scanline: They may have their respective places, but that doesn't make Apple a direct competetor of M$ . If they were smart, they would spin-off their software division, but they know they would die since their hardware nets them only so much |
| 10:09:31 | Speedy2 | scanline: If you're using an Apple system you're forced to use their POS PCI/DRAM logic, so what choice do you have again? |
| 10:09:52 | gonkulator | scanline: design your own hardware! |
| 10:10:12 | scanline | Speedy2: you always have the choice to not use an Apple system. the only thing that locks you into a system in the long run is proprietary software, and that's why I like linux on the ibook |
| 10:10:25 | gonkulator | since theirs is crap, we gotta make our own |
| 10:10:33 | scanline | Speedy2: for example, your proprietary engineering software locks you into using windows |
| 10:11:14 | Speedy2 | scanline: More importantly, it locks me into that vendor. Even if it ran on OSX, all the other tools would not. |
| 10:11:39 | scanline | Speedy2: So that's where open source comes in :) |
| 10:11:42 | Speedy2 | scanline: But frankly, I wouldn't care for a Linux version or an OSX version, I'd rather the company put time and effort into improving the tool |
| 10:11:56 | linux-Gg | scanline: does linux support the ibook's sleep mode? |
| 10:11:57 | Speedy2 | scanline: Yeah, except for a lot of things OpenSource fails and will always fail. |
| 10:12:14 | scanline | Speedy2: but an open source version lets other people (who maybe would take the time to fix things they find annoying) improve your software |
| 10:12:16 | scanline | linux-Gg: yes |
| 10:12:28 | gonkulator | linux-Gg: pmud makes it sleep on close lid events and wake on open lid events |
| 10:12:36 | scanline | linux-Gg: Everything i've tested works, which is everything except the modem |
| 10:12:47 | linux-Gg | sounds great. |
| 10:13:00 | gonkulator | linux-Gg: sometimes, AC doesn't work on my iBook, but that is because I have a funky connector :) |
| 10:13:13 | scanline | linux-Gg: 3D acceleration works.. it's not really fast enough for most games, but bzFlag runs fine :) |
| 10:13:24 | linux-Gg | I bought an ibook some month ago and I'm constantly thinking whether I should switch to linux with it |
| 10:13:35 | gonkulator | linux-Gg: Gentoo all the way |
| 10:13:38 | scanline | waits for gonkulator to plug Gentoo... |
| 10:13:42 | scanline | ah |
| 10:13:52 | scanline | gonkulator: predictable :P |
| 10:13:52 | linux-Gg | is a debian fan |
| 10:13:58 | gonkulator | scanline: ass |
| 10:14:35 | linux-Gg | do you have both linux and MacOS, or linux only? |
| 10:14:46 | gonkulator | linux-Gg: Gentoo has all of the ease of apt-get with the speed and effeiency of linux from scratch |
| 10:14:51 | scanline | linux only, for now |
| 10:14:53 | gonkulator | linux-Gg: just linux |
| 10:15:01 | linux-Gg | hmm, I |
| 10:15:02 | gonkulator | but I had it so that it was dual boot for about 4 hours |
| 10:15:30 | linux-Gg | 'd like to stay with MacOS, since I want to port my software to as many platforms as possible |
| 10:15:44 | gonkulator | linux-Gg: how big is your hard disk? |
| 10:15:58 | linux-Gg | it's the small 15G :-( |
| 10:16:03 | George- | OK |
| 10:16:08 | George- | Stop the apple flaming |
| 10:16:13 | gonkulator | linux-Gg: if I had 15 gig, I would have tripple booted this thing :) |
| 10:16:15 | George- | Apple rulez over Wintel, end of story ;) |
| 10:16:21 | scanline | George-: :) |
| 10:16:23 | George- | hides |
| 10:16:28 | scanline | George-: I wouldn't mind a BeBox.... |
| 10:16:38 | gonkulator | gives George- his flame suit |
| 10:16:49 | George- | thx gonkulator |
| 10:16:50 | George- | :) |
| 10:16:51 | Speedy_2 | Talk about lack of proper marketing on Be's part... |
| 10:16:56 | George- | gonkulator: I'm gonna need it! |
| 10:17:10 | gonkulator | hehehe |
| 10:17:20 | George- | when's the K8 due to come out? |
| 10:17:23 | gonkulator | getting squished by MS is a bad marketing strategy if I have ever heard one |
| 10:17:30 | Speedy_2 | This |
| 10:17:32 | Speedy_2 | http://www.viridiandesign.org/notes/301-350/00325_open_source_speech.html |
| 10:17:34 | scanline | hehehe |
| 10:17:48 | George- | brb |
| 10:18:01 | Speedy_2 | Getting bought by f'ing Palm...WTF is that |
| 10:18:24 | gonkulator | Speedy_2: a marketing decision? |
| 10:18:32 | gonkulator | Speedy_2: a smelly ape? |
| 10:18:42 | gonkulator | Speedy_2: OH, I got it, a mistake. |
| 10:18:49 | George- | re |
| 10:19:37 | George- | wonders when the heck a PDA manufacturer will make a PDA based on the Alchemy |
| 10:20:12 | Speedy_2 | George-: Well, PPC2002 killed all non-ARM so most people are being circumspect about using it |
| 10:20:32 | Speedy_2 | Sharp didn't use it since they did so much work in getting their stuff to run on StrongARM |
| 10:20:36 | Speedy_2 | (that's what I suspect) |
| 10:20:36 | George- | Speedy_2: it just plain sucks :( |
| 10:20:44 | Speedy_2 | George-: The CPU or the situation? |
| 10:20:50 | George- | Speedy_2: We want Alchemy! |
| 10:20:52 | George- | The situation |
| 10:21:12 | Speedy_2 | George-: It's a decent processor, though their power numbers aren't what they claim. |
| 10:21:14 | George- | it'd be cool to have a 500MHz MIPS pda |
| 10:21:18 | George- | power numbers? |
| 10:21:23 | Speedy_2 | Power consumption |
| 10:21:31 | George- | oh |
| 10:21:31 | Speedy_2 | They claim 500mW @ 400MHz |
| 10:21:44 | George- | no |
| 10:21:47 | George- | they claim 700 |
| 10:21:53 | George- | 333 |
| 10:21:54 | George- | <400mW |
| 10:21:54 | George- | 400 |
| 10:21:54 | George- | 700mW |
| 10:21:54 | George- | 500 |
| 10:21:54 | George- | 1.2W |
| 10:22:04 | Speedy_2 | hehe |
| 10:22:08 | Speedy_2 | They amended it then |
| 10:22:28 | George- | What's the Xscale/SA1110's power consuption? |
| 10:22:34 | Speedy_2 | It's still off :) |
| 10:22:45 | George- | haha |
| 10:23:12 | Speedy_2 | SA1110 is realistically about 300-400mW for 200MHz |
| 10:23:28 | Speedy_2 | PXA250 is prob like 500mW to 600mW+ |
| 10:23:30 | Speedy_2 | (@ 400Mhz) |
| 10:23:39 | Speedy_2 | I suspect actually PXA250 @ 400MHz is around 800-900mW |
| 10:24:03 | Speedy_2 | The nice thing about the Au processors is that the frequency is dynamically scalable. |
| 10:24:18 | Speedy_2 | i.e. you write to a register and you're running at a new speed |
| 10:24:23 | George- | oh? |
| 10:24:46 | George- | sweet |
| 10:24:48 | Speedy_2 | Yeah |
| 10:24:58 | George- | so I can run my CPU at 3.14159265458979MHz? :) |
| 10:25:04 | Speedy_2 | BTW, they had versions that ran @ 700MHz... |
| 10:25:12 | George- | ?? |
| 10:25:22 | Speedy_2 | umm, no, the frequencies are fixed, you can just select which one you want |
| 10:25:28 | Speedy_2 | (fixed by frequency dividers and so on) |
| 10:25:35 | George- | oh |
| 10:25:39 | George- | 700MHz... |
| 10:25:43 | Speedy_2 | The lowest it runs is like 60MHz or something, it won't go below that |
| 10:25:45 | George- | That's the speed of my x86 laptop! |
| 10:26:08 | George- | Would a AU @ 700MHz be faster than a Celeron @ 700MHz? |
| 10:26:10 | George- | thinks so |
| 10:26:19 | Speedy_2 | No |
| 10:26:23 | George- | ? |
| 10:26:25 | Speedy_2 | Because the Celeron has more cache |
| 10:26:25 | George- | noooo |
| 10:26:33 | George- | celeron has 128KB |
| 10:26:35 | Speedy_2 | Au is 16KB I+D cache |
| 10:26:48 | Speedy_2 | Plus MMU, and mini-TLB |
| 10:26:58 | Speedy_2 | But...128KB == 16x 16KB... |
| 10:27:03 | George- | does the au have a copressor? |
| 10:27:04 | Speedy_2 | err |
| 10:27:07 | Speedy_2 | 8*16 |
| 10:27:42 | Speedy_2 | George-: The Au supports co-processing, but it doesn't have one on-board. They are planning versions with Floating point. |
| 10:27:49 | scanline | w00t... |
| 10:28:05 | scanline | http://www.handhelds.org/scap/port.14696.png |
| 10:28:18 | Speedy_2 | The 1500 already has PCI 2.2 (66Mhz on it) |
| 10:28:23 | Speedy_2 | MHz that is |
| 10:28:32 | George- | ? |
| 10:28:44 | Speedy_2 | Au1500 is an Au variant with PCI on it |
| 10:28:56 | Speedy_2 | Au1100 has LCD controller -- it's basically the Au analog of the SA1100/SA1110 |
| 10:29:32 | George- | oh |
| 10:29:47 | George- | Au owns |
| 10:29:53 | George- | let's all bitch to JasonNJ! |
| 10:30:06 | Speedy_2 | He's a marketing dude |
| 10:30:06 | George- | start a petition, and send it to sharp :) |
| 10:30:08 | Speedy_2 | Not an engineer |
| 10:30:12 | Speedy_2 | The Engineering is done is Japan |
| 10:30:14 | George- | damn =P |
| 10:30:28 | Speedy_2 | And even if he were an engineer, he couldn't do anything |
| 10:30:32 | Speedy_2 | Japan controls everything (Sharp Japan that is) |
| 10:30:34 | George- | lol |
| 10:30:37 | George- | ok |
| 10:30:53 | George- | let's make a petition, and send it to the CEO of Sharp Japan! :) |
| 10:31:32 | Speedy_2 | George-: They're already anounced using XScale in the 5600 |
| 10:31:38 | George- | I know |
| 10:31:39 | Speedy_2 | You think they'll change their product in mid-design? |
| 10:31:40 | Speedy_2 | Yeah right! |
| 10:31:42 | George- | *snivvle* |
| 10:32:13 | Speedy_2 | Just for your information, the Au processors are designed by all the StrongARM people. |
| 10:32:40 | George- | are they? |
| 10:32:47 | George- | holy shit! |
| 10:32:57 | | warmi was last seen on #zaurus 6 hours, 5 minutes and 8 seconds ago, saying: see you [Wed Aug 14 05:27:49 2002] |
| 10:32:57 | mark | ibot: seen warmi |
| 10:32:58 | George- | runs away [It's MARK!!!!] |
| 10:34:42 | George- | Speedy_2: Does that mean that the AU CPUs are pretty damn good, then? |
| 10:34:56 | George- | but why the heck did they base it on MIPs? |
| 10:35:45 | Speedy2 | George-: Yes, they are. |
| 10:36:22 | George- | ??? |
| 10:36:32 | Speedy2 | Au people are StrongARM people. |
| 10:36:45 | George- | if they're SA ppl, why isn't it based on ARM? |
| 10:37:04 | Speedy2 | Because there is already a bunch of ARM based stuff |
| 10:37:13 | Speedy2 | And they'd have to re-negotiate a license with ARM |
| 10:37:21 | Speedy2 | So they figured they could get a MIPS license more easily |
| 10:37:30 | Speedy2 | And furthermore, there aren't any StrongARM like processors for MIPS |
| 10:37:35 | Speedy2 | NEC's VR stuff basically sux |
| 10:37:47 | Speedy2 | And everyone else's MIPS stuff was/is like 75MHz or 135MHz or something |
| 10:37:51 | Speedy2 | With no real peripherals. |
| 10:37:53 | George- | what about code morphing for ARM emulation? |
| 10:38:37 | Speedy2 | That's in the works. |
| 10:38:47 | George- | nice :) |
| 10:38:57 | George- | When that's done, there'll be no stopping the Au! |
| 10:39:02 | Speedy2 | Their biggest market is not PDA space |
| 10:39:19 | George- | Obviously |
| 10:39:21 | Speedy2 | PDAs are one market, but it's starting to get cut-throat |
| 10:39:26 | Speedy2 | (starting) |
| 10:39:32 | George- | They're trying to dominate the netwinder-type market, right? |
| 10:39:55 | Speedy2 | Not even |
| 10:40:08 | George- | ? |
| 10:40:28 | Speedy2 | Well...Netwinder thingy is one market too |
| 10:40:36 | Speedy2 | But Netwinder failed due to insane pricing |
| 10:41:26 | Speedy2 | And I think they are being circumspect about trying to go there again |
| 10:41:32 | Speedy2 | Since the demand for a thin-client is somewhat low |
| 10:41:51 | Speedy2 | Pricing on a thin-client would have to be agressive, like on the order of $<400 |
| 10:42:01 | George- | hm |
| 10:42:04 | George- | how much was it? :) |
| 10:42:28 | Speedy2 | On the Netwinder? It was like $1k+ |
| 10:43:15 | George- | wtf? |
| 10:43:33 | Speedy2 | Yeah |
| 10:43:38 | Speedy2 | Can you say smoking crack? |
| 10:43:45 | George- | no |
| 10:43:55 | George- | I can say Bill Gates :) |
| 10:44:01 | Speedy2 | Well |
| 10:44:06 | Speedy2 | Netwinder was done by Corel, then sold to Rebel |
| 10:44:12 | Speedy2 | Without whom you probably would not have a Z |
| 10:44:20 | George- | ? |
| 10:44:41 | Speedy2 | Netwinder did ALOT of ARM/Linux work. |
| 10:44:48 | George- | I gathered |
| 10:44:49 | Speedy2 | Toolchain stuff, OS related, etc. |
| 10:44:59 | George- | compaq research labs did a lot too |
| 10:45:12 | Speedy2 | Not really |
| 10:45:15 | Speedy2 | DEC did a lot |
| 10:45:24 | Speedy2 | Then Compaq bought that division of DEC |
| 10:45:25 | Speedy2 | ANd got those people |
| 10:45:29 | Speedy2 | And rebranded them "Compaq" |
| 10:45:35 | George- | oh |
| 10:45:49 | George- | didn't Compaq acquire like,the whole of DEC? |
| 10:45:53 | Speedy2 | You see, the DEC people released Itsy and did a lot of StrongARM / Linux stuff |
| 10:46:04 | Speedy2 | George-: No, Shintel got the rest (hence that's why they have the StrongARM) |
| 10:46:12 | George- | oh |
| 10:46:17 | Speedy2 | And then Compaq sold the Alpha to Shintel, basically killing it. |
| 10:47:10 | George- | argh |
| 10:47:12 | George- | nooo |
| 10:47:15 | George- | cries |
| 10:52:52 | Speedy2 | Well, common, did you expect Comf'ingpaq to do anything useful with it? |
| 10:53:00 | Speedy2 | Those guys are the enemy to the core. |
| 10:56:28 | kolla | and now compaq is gone also |
| 10:56:46 | kolla | I have a fiend who works at DEC..uhm.. compaq.. uhm.. HP :) |
| 10:56:53 | kolla | doing VMS |
| 10:57:48 | Speedy2 | And f'ing "HP" (a company that is a huge disgrace to the original founders) is doing a bunch of crap too |
| 10:57:51 | Speedy2 | i.e. Itanic2 |
| 11:04:36 | George- | Speedy2: WHat's wrong with HP? |
| 11:06:15 | Speedy2 | Oh man |
| 11:06:18 | Speedy2 | They're a SHIT company |
| 11:06:47 | George- | ? |
| 11:07:10 | Speedy2 | "Agilent" is basically the brains |
| 11:07:14 | Speedy2 | HP is the shit that's left over |
| 11:07:38 | George- | agilent? |
| 11:07:43 | tux_mike | i dare you to try to deal with their repairs dept |
| 11:11:27 | Speedy2 | tux_mike: Who? |
| 11:12:14 | tux_mike | hp |
| 11:12:21 | tux_mike | computers division |
| 11:12:25 | tux_mike | for resellers |
| 11:12:28 | tux_mike | x.x |
| 11:13:08 | Speedy2 | Yaeh |
| 11:22:45 | Speedy2 | bbl |
| 11:38:32 | linux-Gg | Does anyone know how I can use the buttons on the zaurus in my game? |
| 11:41:51 | tux_mike | i dunno off hand, ask neotron, he does it |
| 11:43:20 | George- | yo mdz |
| 11:44:21 | mdz | George-: morning |
| 11:44:43 | George- | mdz: how's life? |
| 11:50:04 | noidd | 'ello |
| 11:50:11 | mark | is away: I'm busy |
| 11:50:37 | ljp | linux-Gg: look at QPEApplication::grabKeyboard() |
| 11:53:39 | linux-Gg | ljp: Thanks |
| 11:54:08 | ljp | but its buggy |
| 11:56:40 | mdz | George-: yuck |
| 11:56:53 | mdz | George-: there's no Linux driver for the WinTV-PVR |
| 12:02:19 | scanline | sweet... got it working |
| 12:02:34 | scanline | not that fast yet.. but working |
| 12:03:06 | George- | ? |
| 12:03:16 | scanline | http://www.handhelds.org/scap/port.25233.png |
| 12:03:20 | scanline | I should go to bed... |
| 12:03:24 | scanline | commits some CVS |
| 12:05:05 | George- | scanline: what the hell is that? |
| 12:05:35 | chouimat | morning |
| 12:05:35 | scanline | George-: i decided to try doing a scrolling tile engine and some alpha blending on a PicoGUI canvas, and see how fast it is |
| 12:05:47 | ljp | nice scanline |
| 12:06:16 | scanline | ljp: still needs some optimization.. I can get a similar frame rate with about 7 of those layers using SDL :) |
| 12:06:50 | ljp | hehehe games on my credit card machine! |
| 12:07:21 | scanline | ljp: I can run doom on picogui.. there's an SDL port |
| 12:07:44 | chouimat | hi cranch |
| 12:07:52 | cranch | hey chouimat |
| 12:08:47 | bipolar | wow... some people are still using my qtopia-X package. :\ |
| 12:09:43 | cranch | bipolar...link? |
| 12:10:03 | | rumour has it qtopia-x is a way to run x apps in opie/qtopia at http://www.longbros.com/benjamin/ipaq/ |
| 12:10:03 | bipolar | ibot: qtopia-x? |
| 12:10:18 | bipolar | it's an evil hack |
| 12:10:30 | bipolar | but it shows promise. |
| 12:10:42 | bipolar | It's really just Xvnc compiled for arm. |
| 12:11:13 | cranch | looks cool polar :) |
| 12:11:13 | bipolar | You then access your X apps through keypebble. |
| 12:11:14 | ljp | hahaha |
| 12:11:35 | cranch | so the VNC connects itself to your Zaurus |
| 12:11:36 | cranch | ? |
| 12:11:42 | bipolar | cranch: correct |
| 12:11:46 | cranch | cool |
| 12:12:01 | bipolar | cranch: it DOES work, but Xvnc is pretty big. |
| 12:12:11 | mark | hi bipolar |
| 12:12:11 | djk | vnc on zaurus as client and server is very cool! |
| 12:12:15 | scanline | is away: ZzZzzzzzz ZZZ! zzzz... ZZzz? |
| 12:12:21 | bipolar | mark: hello! |
| 12:12:24 | Jerakeen | I want this: http://www.w-m-p.com/ipaq/fbvnc.html |
| 12:12:24 | Harlekin | allready though about how much work it would be to implement Opie-nest |
| 12:13:18 | djk | anybody know what the VNC AT&T people are up to? I saw they were working on a new release earlier this year |
| 12:13:29 | cranch | opie-nest? |
| 12:14:13 | Harlekin | cranch: xnest |
| 12:14:21 | cranch | ahhh :) |
| 12:15:50 | mark | is back (gone 00:25:40) |
| 12:15:52 | cutm | haha, that's gay; when I run my app it gets to a point and says 'Aborted', but when I run it through GDB it works fine. |
| 12:18:17 | cutm | fixed the bug but that just seemed pretty interesting to me. |
| 12:18:35 | kolla | cutm: it just shows that Heisenberg's theorem altso guilds for computer software |
| 12:18:53 | noidd | is there such a thing as qpie-xnest ? |
| 12:18:55 | noidd | :-D |
| 12:20:15 | chouimat | wb [George] |
| 12:20:48 | cranch | how soon is the contest over? |
| 12:21:19 | chouimat | cranch: sharp? |
| 12:21:23 | cranch | yeah |
| 12:21:36 | Tenchi | freeload? |
| 12:21:39 | Tenchi | oh... freenode |
| 12:21:39 | bipolar | oh... god.... |
| 12:21:46 | chouimat | cranch: beta for August 23th and apps for Sep. 13th |
| 12:21:47 | bipolar | frenode? WTF |
| 12:21:52 | cranch | cool |
| 12:21:54 | bipolar | stupid people |
| 12:21:57 | cranch | what do you win |
| 12:21:58 | cranch | ? |
| 12:22:04 | mark | bipolar: quite |
| 12:22:07 | chouimat | cranch: don't know |
| 12:22:12 | cranch | haha |
| 12:22:24 | bipolar | openprojects makes much more sense |
| 12:22:37 | [George] | ty chouimat |
| 12:22:40 | kolla | hehe.. top story on slashdot is a ood one :) |
| 12:22:40 | bipolar | I hope we don't have to find another server. |
| 12:23:54 | [George] | err.r. |
| 12:24:00 | [George] | OPN has changed to "Freenode"? |
| 12:24:07 | tux_mike | lilo pisses me off |
| 12:24:12 | tux_mike | freenode? |
| 12:24:58 | chouimat | Any QString parsing example somewhere? |
| 12:25:12 | | cranch: i'm not following you... |
| 12:25:12 | cranch | ibot: ./ |
| 12:25:13 | cranch | shit |
| 12:25:16 | | i think /. is slashdot |
| 12:25:16 | cranch | ibot: /. |
| 12:25:36 | | Slashdot - Updated 2002-08-14 13:08:17 | Dell To Offer Windows-Less PCs | "Software Choice" Campaigns Against Open Source | Linux Continues March On China | New Problem Could Ground Space Shuttle Fleet |
| 12:25:36 | cranch | ibot: slashdot |
| 12:25:39 | [George] | -lilo- [Global Notice] Good afternoon to all. Just to let you know that, as of today, Open Projects Net's name is changed. We are now freenode! For more information, take a look at http://freenode.info/ or stop by the new staff channel, #freenode. Thanks! |
| 12:26:11 | noidd | and the point of that would be? |
| 12:26:15 | [George] | why the heck did M$ have to put that in their license agreements? |
| 12:26:40 | cranch | I wish there was a good theme for opie |
| 12:26:55 | [George] | cranch: Liquid |
| 12:26:56 | chouimat | [George]: what? |
| 12:27:10 | cranch | I agree,but that doesn't work with hancom appps |
| 12:27:14 | [George] | chouimat: ? |
| 12:27:24 | chouimat | [George]: M$ |
| 12:27:34 | tux_mike | http://news.com.com/2100-1001-949671.html?tag=fd_top lol |
| 12:27:47 | [George] | chouimat: the new licensing terms for OEM people is that they can't distribute their computers OS-less, or something |
| 12:27:57 | [George] | chouimat: I don't even know if M$ should be ALLOWED to do that |
| 12:28:20 | chouimat | [George]: technically they can't |
| 12:28:23 | tux_mike | MS shouldn't |
| 12:28:33 | tux_mike | but they can leverage pricing to do it |
| 12:28:47 | [George] | chouimat: it's essentailly blackmail |
| 12:28:58 | noidd | Tell you something for free - its illegal for them to do that in Europe |
| 12:29:06 | noidd | not allows to tie hardware and software |
| 12:29:08 | [George] | noidd: is it? |
| 12:29:09 | imm | hi |
| 12:29:25 | chouimat | noidd: but they working on it ;) |
| 12:29:33 | darienm | bah, silly keyboard shortcuts. |
| 12:29:40 | [George] | noidd: I hate MS |
| 12:29:56 | noidd | for example - with my dell I have a Dell specific xp install |
| 12:30:16 | noidd | if i try to install it under vmware, it chokes saying is the not PC i bough t it for |
| 12:30:28 | [George] | LOL |
| 12:30:33 | noidd | ask dell for a normal version of xp and they'll swap out the media |
| 12:30:46 | [George] | will they? |
| 12:30:53 | tux_mike | i just use Volume copies of the OS, therefore no problems :) |
| 12:31:01 | noidd | yes, they have no choice |
| 12:31:06 | [George] | someone stole my copy of WinXP pro ;) |
| 12:31:06 | noidd | bah, work calls |
| 12:31:09 | noidd | brb in a bit |
| 12:31:12 | noidd | later guys |
| 12:31:14 | noidd | waves |
| 12:31:19 | [George] | I don't really care, I got it for free anyway, and I never really used it :) |
| 12:31:21 | Jerakeen | This is the main reason I use linux everywhere - I'm too cheap to but a windows/office license. That's it. |
| 12:31:35 | Jerakeen | s/but/buy/ # Sigh. |
| 12:31:47 | cranch | why does OpenZ keep drifting in time |
| 12:32:44 | djk | George: "essentailly blackmail" more like Mob practices ;-) |
| 12:32:49 | [George] | cranch: run atd |
| 12:33:02 | [George] | djk: OK OK, full scale blackmail? :) |
| 12:33:31 | tux_mike | it's the microsoft mafia |
| 12:33:38 | cranch | full command George? |
| 12:33:42 | cranch | usage: atd spooldir |
| 12:34:13 | cranch | is it possible to strace mysql when its trying to start? |
| 12:35:53 | djk | M$ knows full well what they are doing just like the tobaco companies |
| 12:35:54 | cranch | I must be lagging |
| 12:35:55 | cranch | :) |
| 12:36:28 | darienm | http://www.sharpmobile.com/ <--- its alive !!!! |
| 12:37:03 | cranch | CDPD Network |
| 12:37:03 | cranch | (United States) Verizon™ CDPD Network |
| 12:37:03 | cranch | First Zip Code: |
| 12:37:03 | cranch | 57105 none No * |
| 12:37:08 | cranch | haha |
| 12:37:11 | cranch | not here |
| 12:37:50 | [George] | there are some massive rebellions going on in #Freenode |
| 12:38:00 | [George] | <nonama> WE DO NOT LIKE THE NEW NAME |
| 12:38:01 | [George] | hahahahahahhaa |
| 12:38:09 | ciaolinux | darienm: what is the service that they provide? |
| 12:38:42 | darienm | wireless internet for the Zaurus |
| 12:39:17 | ciaolinux | darienm: is it possible to use it also as a phone? |
| 12:39:23 | darienm | The Zaurus? no. |
| 12:40:03 | ciaolinux | well doesn't it use gsm or anything like that? |
| 12:41:06 | [George] | lmao |
| 12:41:26 | ciaolinux | [George]: what is that |
| 12:41:28 | djk | let's see $40/mo and very limited coverage where do they this will go |
| 12:41:28 | cranch|z | I wish I knew if the new Z was going to have wifi in it |
| 12:41:39 | [George] | ciaolinux: they're really going mental on #Freenode |
| 12:41:55 | ciaolinux | what is #freenode topic? |
| 12:41:59 | djk | cranch|z: built-in you mean? |
| 12:42:03 | cranch|z | yeah |
| 12:42:08 | ciaolinux | what is wifi? |
| 12:42:40 | cranch|z | cause i dont want to spend $100 on a wifi card if the new one will have it |
| 12:42:49 | cranch|z | 802.11b wireless |
| 12:43:12 | me | here is a great question for all you fols |
| 12:43:13 | [George] | hi me |
| 12:43:18 | cranch|z | hey me |
| 12:43:21 | Harlekin | cranch|z: the next one pretty sure not |
| 12:43:23 | [George] | Welcome to freenode! http://freenode.info/ || Information on the name change: http://freenode.info/faq.shtml#namechange |
| 12:43:41 | me | Can I get the zaurus to work w/ corelcentral for linux |
| 12:43:49 | me | Corel Office 2000 |
| 12:44:09 | me | For the longest time I have wanted to get Corel Office |
| 12:44:15 | cranch|z | harlekin.. thanks.. guess I'll have to buy my buffalo CF card then |
| 12:44:18 | me | And I may get it soon |
| 12:44:33 | ciaolinux | Harlekin: how do you know? |
| 12:44:49 | bipolar | trys out chatzilla |
| 12:45:33 | Harlekin | ciaolinux: since new one is allready close to production |
| 12:45:41 | Harlekin | and then jason would have allready told here |
| 12:45:42 | djk | cranch|z: good idea. If they build in they have a lot of power issue to figure out. Personal wifi would be a limited use for me since it is banned in the office |
| 12:46:04 | cranch|z | true |
| 12:46:06 | Harlekin | wifi build is is a power killer |
| 12:46:13 | Harlekin | bluetooth is a good option |
| 12:46:22 | cranch|z | still have a cf slot in it? |
| 12:46:23 | cranch|z | haha |
| 12:46:37 | cranch|z | i dont have any bluetooth stuff |
| 12:46:40 | ciaolinux | Harlekin: so when are they going to release it? |
| 12:46:41 | Harlekin | but in cf slot a wifi card is the same killer |
| 12:46:41 | cranch|z | :( |
| 12:46:49 | Harlekin | ciaolinux: no idea |
| 12:47:06 | cranch|z | next couple months I heard :) |
| 12:47:24 | djk | Harlekin: bluetooth too limited in range and speed if I do wireless it will be 802.11b/a |
| 12:47:31 | Harlekin | djk: bt does 100 m |
| 12:47:39 | Harlekin | the non pico bt |
| 12:47:48 | Harlekin | with less power consumption |
| 12:47:57 | Harlekin | and much more freatures than plain wifi |
| 12:48:08 | cranch|z | 100m is approx. 300 feet right? |
| 12:48:09 | djk | Harlekin: last I saw it was limited in throughput |
| 12:48:13 | ciaolinux | so basically for z to be a phone, we have to wait a lont time yet, right |
| 12:48:18 | Harlekin | djk: thats true |
| 12:48:27 | Harlekin | djk: you need 11 mbit on a zaurus? |
| 12:48:36 | cranch|z | haha |
| 12:48:38 | cranch|z | yes |
| 12:48:42 | me | Anyone know about corel |
| 12:48:43 | cranch|z | j/k |
| 12:49:03 | me | ??? |
| 12:49:09 | me | I havent seen anything |
| 12:49:14 | Jerakeen | ciaolinux: I suppose you could get wireless and a netmeeting-style thing on it... :-) |
| 12:49:28 | cranch|z | that stuff that grows in reefs? :p |
| 12:50:03 | ciaolinux | Jerakeen: what is the speed? how fast would it be to do something like that? |
| 12:50:14 | cranch|z | anyone use the copy and paste applet? i need to clear out ny dock |
| 12:50:22 | djk | Harlekin: not completely but with wireless the further you get the slower it gets I would prefer to start faster and more or network standard and deal with fewer modes. wifi does bt and more why bother |
| 12:50:41 | Jerakeen | cranch|z: I don't. Or the ir one. Or any of the input methods except the keyboard. |
| 12:51:11 | djk | anybody try out the remote control IR with the Z? |
| 12:52:34 | Harlekin | Jerakeen: i have something like that running |
| 12:52:54 | Harlekin | djk: and bt is enough to stream videos to the ipaq |
| 12:53:03 | cranch | something like wht running Harlekin |
| 12:53:36 | cranch | how do you do IR then Jerakeen |
| 12:56:31 | Jerakeen | cranch: I don't. |
| 12:56:45 | BigBoss | hey |
| 12:56:54 | Jerakeen | wotcha |
| 12:57:09 | ljp_ | wakajawaka |
| 12:57:29 | cranch | bumblebee tuna |
| 12:58:01 | djk | BigBoss: Hey to you |
| 12:59:27 | BigBoss | we haven't gotten any sales in the last 5 minutes - something must be wrong |
| 12:59:56 | tux_mike | big: one problem is i'm still broke |
| 13:00:14 | [George] | yo mdz |
| 13:00:31 | ljp_ | decided to start believing everything a spam email says |
| 13:00:52 | djk | BigBoss: waiting for the IMAP/POP (Notes ;-) product |
| 13:01:09 | ljp_ | decided to start answering spam with spoofed email addresses |
| 13:01:23 | mdz | morning |
| 13:01:36 | BigBoss | djk: beta for tkcMail is proceeding nicely |
| 13:01:44 | cutm | haha |
| 13:01:51 | cutm | no sales within the last 5 minutes?! |
| 13:01:53 | cutm | ;-) |
| 13:01:55 | djk | ljp_: will be getting lots of bounce messages |
| 13:02:11 | ljp_ | no I won't spoofed |
| 13:02:20 | djk | BigBoss: eta on product or a way to get a beta? |
| 13:02:48 | ljp_ | bgates@microsoft.com will |
| 13:03:04 | djk | ljp_: just curious do you think that will help? |
| 13:03:16 | ljp_ | heh no.. I'm just joking |
| 13:03:22 | tux_mike | billg, actually |
| 13:03:38 | ljp_ | billg@hotmail.com ;) |
| 13:04:20 | cranch | tkcMail coming out? |
| 13:04:26 | cranch | haha |
| 13:04:27 | BigBoss | djk: IMAP support is supposed to be in the next beta release next week |
| 13:04:38 | BigBoss | and the other issues should be fixed with that release |
| 13:04:45 | BigBoss | so it just depends on how the testing goes for that |
| 13:04:55 | BigBoss | if Rik didn't add you, then he doesn't need any more testers for now |
| 13:05:36 | tux_mike | and i need tkcAlcoholic |
| 13:05:39 | tux_mike | ;) |
| 13:05:50 | cranch | how do I get to be a tester |
| 13:05:53 | cranch | haha |
| 13:07:29 | BigBoss | ljp: speaking of tkcAlcoholic? |
| 13:07:45 | BigBoss | check it out vhttp://visavis.handango.com/PlatformProductDetail.jsp?catalog=0&jid=BA1A2C87FB7555B9FE2E7CAF16AEF4A5&platformId=9&productId=29410&productType=2§ionId=0&siteId=32&zsortParams=true |
| 13:09:14 | tux_mike | bb: are you ever gonna have something that will do internet streams? |
| 13:09:14 | djk | tux_mike: followed by tkcAA ;-) |
| 13:09:31 | BigBoss | tux_mike: yes, it's about half done right now |
| 13:09:41 | BigBoss | sheesh - we don't have enough products out? :) |
| 13:10:22 | tux_mike | This is barney and he has a drinking problem. You're looking for AA, this is AAA. Ok, then I'd like to plan a trip to St. Louis. East St. Louis? Is there any other? |
| 13:22:38 | ciaolinux | BigBoss: do you speak jap? |
| 13:23:30 | ljp_ | he is japanese ;) |
| 13:23:49 | ciaolinux | ok ... then he can translate for us ;-) |
| 13:25:39 | ljp_ | cheap-assed ebay crappers! |
| 13:25:45 | ljp_ | grrrr |
| 13:26:01 | BigBoss | hell no |
| 13:26:02 | BigBoss | I'm german |
| 13:26:09 | BigBoss | achtung baby |
| 13:26:17 | ljp_ | hmm Boss isnt a German surname! :) |
| 13:26:37 | chouimat | hi imm |
| 13:27:26 | ljp_ | Gordon is Scottish I believe |
| 13:27:49 | chouimat | ljp_: oh! a hard drinker :) |
| 13:27:51 | BigBoss | indeed |
| 13:28:05 | BigBoss | gradnpa from scotland |
| 13:28:10 | BigBoss | other grandpa from sweden |
| 13:28:15 | BigBoss | both grandmas from germany |
| 13:29:10 | djk | sounds and a good drinking club ;-) |
| 13:29:14 | cutm | eh, I make shitty art. |
| 13:29:35 | ljp_ | is Scottish and German and a few other nationalities |
| 13:29:57 | BigBoss | oh yea - porn and booze :) |
| 13:30:05 | chouimat | is French Canadian |
| 13:30:18 | ljp_ | heh BB is his _own_ drinking club |
| 13:30:29 | tux_mike | woot |
| 13:30:43 | BigBoss | chouimat: I'm sorry - have you seen the doctor about that? :) |
| 13:30:44 | ljp_ | ebay sucks |
| 13:30:50 | tux_mike | is a hodge-podge of everything. :) |
| 13:30:54 | chouimat | is back hacking is bsd embedded system |
| 13:30:54 | tux_mike | lol |
| 13:31:08 | ljp_ | hmmm bsd embedded, eh? |
| 13:31:14 | cutm | netbsd? |
| 13:31:20 | chouimat | BigBoss: yes and it's seem that there is no cure |
| 13:31:22 | chouimat | pico |
| 13:31:27 | tux_mike | bee... ess... dee? |
| 13:32:00 | chouimat | tux_mike: picobsd |
| 13:34:09 | tux_mike | i need to play with BSD some more |
| 13:34:45 | Jerakeen | http://www.danger.com/products.php |
| 13:34:48 | cutm | hmm |
| 13:35:21 | cutm | ack, flash. |
| 13:51:16 | djk | anybody try the IR remote control on the Z? http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=214 |
| 13:51:38 | djk | Hey new look on zauruszone.com downloads |
| 13:52:27 | BigBoss | it probably only has a range of a couple feet at best |
| 13:53:12 | tux_mike | did anyone make working kernel mods? |
| 13:54:51 | djk | BigBoss: that's what I thought. Wish Sharp had done that differently. I was looking forward to having a decent remote ;-) |
| 13:54:56 | mark | is away: I'm busy |
| 13:55:08 | mark | is back (gone 00:00:02) |
| 13:55:33 | BigBoss | yea, we were going to do a smart remote till we found out the range |
| 13:57:13 | ljp_ | just make an ir signal booster/repeater ;) |
| 13:57:49 | mark | BigBoss: you had any sales from japan yet? |
| 13:59:28 | BigBoss | oh yea, it's doing pretty well |
| 13:59:56 | mark | seriously? darn you :P |
| 14:00:58 | BigBoss | why darn us? |
| 14:01:07 | BigBoss | how dare you use that kind of language |
| 14:01:14 | BigBoss | :) |
| 14:01:17 | mark | hehe |
| 14:01:23 | mark | Knights 41703 Active 1.11 0 0 |
| 14:02:09 | mark | thats the japanese one. oh well. |
| 14:04:02 | mark | maybe they don't like chess over there :) |
| 14:04:25 | BigBoss | do "Go" and you will sell it :) |
| 14:04:44 | BigBoss | our tkcPlayer ended up featured in some story in Japan about the device |
| 14:04:57 | BigBoss | shocked the hell out of me that it worked at all since there is so much assembler code in it |
| 14:05:09 | mark | heh |
| 14:05:40 | ljp_ | thats because the a300 is not optimized for xscale |
| 14:05:53 | ljp_ | err the qtopia on the a300 |
| 14:06:28 | ljp_ | and I bet the kernel isnt either |
| 14:06:55 | BigBoss | I wonder if us optimizing our code will work then |
| 14:07:11 | BigBoss | I know we can get better performance out of the video and audio by having one to work with |
| 14:08:38 | VerxHome | hey bigboss, how is linuxworld going? |
| 14:09:03 | BigBoss | VerxHome: I wouldn't know, I'm not there :) |
| 14:09:14 | BigBoss | I'm playing golf today |
| 14:09:22 | VerxHome | well, I figured you would be seeing the number of orders from your "linuxworld special" |
| 14:09:29 | VerxHome | whatever that ended up being. . . |
| 14:10:16 | BigBoss | no, we have no linuxworld special |
| 14:10:34 | BigBoss | I tried to get Sharp to let me put flyers in their booth, but they didn't want to show preference to a single vendor |
| 14:10:46 | VerxHome | ahhh |
| 14:10:52 | BigBoss | I said let the other vendors put in flyers too :) |
| 14:10:57 | Jerakeen | heh |
| 14:10:58 | VerxHome | heh |
| 14:11:07 | BigBoss | they ended up doing some lame generic flyer pointing everyone to Handango |
| 14:11:13 | BigBoss | so that pisses away 40% for me |
| 14:11:26 | VerxHome | no it doesn't |
| 14:11:31 | BigBoss | but I know Jason will tell them to come to us directly |
| 14:12:15 | VerxHome | it will likely put you in the next bracket of handango sales and you will end up losing 50%. :( |
| 14:12:55 | BigBoss | thanks for cheering me up |
| 14:13:03 | BigBoss | well, time for another Handango price increase then |
| 14:13:08 | VerxHome | yeah |
| 14:13:09 | BigBoss | or put URL's in our product names |
| 14:13:18 | VerxHome | THAT seems the best plan |
| 14:13:19 | BigBoss | anyone else here selling on Handango? |
| 14:13:31 | BigBoss | I found out something funky the other day |
| 14:13:42 | VerxHome | what did you find out? |
| 14:14:45 | BigBoss | Handango gives Sharp a "fake" credit card number to buy stuff from the store |
| 14:14:54 | BigBoss | every month or so they go through and "buy" everything |
| 14:15:08 | BigBoss | they show up as normal sales as an instant receipt |
| 14:15:16 | VerxHome | very interesting |
| 14:15:16 | BigBoss | but they don't show on the daily or monthly totals |
| 14:15:28 | VerxHome | so do you get paid for it? (sounds like not) |
| 14:15:29 | BigBoss | that part is annoying, but here is the really bad part |
| 14:15:34 | BigBoss | no, we don't get money |
| 14:15:43 | BigBoss | it's so Sharp can do whatever they want with the software |
| 14:15:51 | BigBoss | I didn't give them permission to have my software for free |
| 14:15:51 | VerxHome | right |
| 14:15:57 | VerxHome | exactly |
| 14:15:58 | BigBoss | I had to buy some of my Zaurus |
| 14:16:11 | BigBoss | if I want to give Sharp my software, then *I'll* give it to them |
| 14:16:17 | BigBoss | it's not up to Handango to give my software away |
| 14:16:25 | BigBoss | Sharp claims they are doing QA on it |
| 14:16:30 | BigBoss | well I didn't ask them to do that either |
| 14:18:57 | George-- | stupid... |
| 14:18:59 | George-- | I hate APPLE! |
| 14:19:19 | chouimat | wb George-- |
| 14:19:23 | George-- | ty |
| 14:21:09 | darienm | whassup George--? |
| 14:22:37 | George-- | darienm: I hate apple, that's all |
| 14:22:53 | darienm | George--: :( |
| 14:23:03 | darienm | hugs his G4 |
| 14:23:14 | BigBoss | does too |
| 14:23:17 | darienm | hugs his OS X |
| 14:23:18 | George-- | kicks his powerbook |
| 14:23:32 | George-- | rm -rf's his OS X |
| 14:23:50 | darienm | hands George-- some valium. |
| 14:23:54 | George-- | valium? |
| 14:24:03 | darienm | Medication to make you relax. |
| 14:24:18 | Harlekin | George--: better some dipidolor |
| 14:24:23 | darienm | You'll see all kinds of cool swimmy colors |
| 14:24:34 | George-- | kicks darienm |
| 14:24:36 | darienm | You'll forget all your problems |
| 14:24:39 | chouimat | Harlekin: no give him some LSD |
| 14:24:43 | darienm | Hey now! |
| 14:24:45 | George-- | I get enough of stupid swimmy colours looking at my mac |
| 14:24:51 | ciaolinux | v |
| 14:24:59 | ciaolinux | VerxHome: did you manage to send the beta to them? |
| 14:25:09 | darienm | George--: Set your theme to Graphite -- colors be gone! |
| 14:25:16 | VerxHome | yes, I guess I got it in before they filled their inboxes |
| 14:25:27 | VerxHome | but yes, I see that they are full now |
| 14:25:39 | ciaolinux | they are still full? did they reply? |
| 14:25:50 | chouimat | VerxHome: I hope the will clean it before next week |
| 14:25:53 | darienm | VerxHome: beta? full inboxes? what's this I hear? |
| 14:26:24 | ciaolinux | chouimat: if they don't... they will have to accept the beta after 23rd |
| 14:26:39 | George-- | kicks darienm some more |
| 14:26:50 | Harlekin | chouimat: dipi is better |
| 14:27:01 | darienm | thinks he might have to drive to where George-- lives and deliver some real physical pain to the young boy. |
| 14:27:28 | darienm | thinks again, that he'll get his 13-year-old son to do his dirty work for him instead. |
| 14:27:47 | chouimat | darienm: hehehe |
| 14:27:58 | darienm | well, George is 14 if I recall.... |
| 14:28:19 | darienm | with a Zaurus on his desk, and a few broken parts from a USB cradle |
| 14:28:29 | George-- | yes, so what if I'm 14 |
| 14:28:31 | George-- | ? |
| 14:28:34 | George-- | kicks darienm |
| 14:28:50 | | George-- is nothing but a saucyspleened tongueful of bootless cat-hair-balls. |
| 14:28:50 | darienm | ibot, insult George-- |
| 14:28:57 | darienm | Yeah - what he said. |
| 14:29:41 | | George--: huh? |
| 14:29:41 | George-- | ibot kill darienm |
| 14:29:50 | George-- | STUPID FUCKING IBOT! YOU'RE IN WITH APPLE! |
| 14:29:52 | | George-- is nothing but an half-faced puddle of cockered cat hair. |
| 14:29:52 | chouimat | ibot: insult George-- |
| 14:30:00 | George-- | kicks ibot |
| 14:30:01 | | George-- is nothing but a malodorous tongueful of lumpish craptacular carpet droppings. |
| 14:30:01 | chouimat | ibot: insult George-- |
| 14:30:06 | George-- | kicks chouimat |
| 14:30:15 | | George-- is nothing but an it-fowling gob of hacked-up guano. |
| 14:30:15 | chouimat | ibot: insult George-- |
| 14:30:21 | Harlekin | hehe |
| 14:31:45 | chouimat | George--: I have nothing against you |
| 14:31:53 | Microdim | why dont I want to upgrade to rom ver 2.38? what is wrong with it? |
| 14:32:36 | darienm | I didn't hear anything was wrong with sharp's 2.38. But why not go Open Zaurus instead? |
| 14:32:49 | chouimat | needs to find out why sshd don't start even if the key file have the correct rights |
| 14:32:51 | George-- | Go debian |
| 14:32:53 | George-- | DEBIAN!¬ |
| 14:33:25 | chouimat | George--: do something usefull do a zaurus port of Gentoo |
| 14:33:30 | darienm | waves his hand and makes a "pffftth" sound at Debian. |
| 14:33:32 | George-- | does a warcry, and sacrifices his tibook to Debian |
| 14:33:40 | ljp_ | Go LinuxOne! |
| 14:34:47 | chouimat | is praying all the Divities that Mankind had ever workshiped |
| 14:35:12 | darienm | dieties ? |
| 14:35:21 | chouimat | darienm: Gods |
| 14:35:22 | warmi | hi |
| 14:35:23 | darienm | deities? |
| 14:35:29 | warmi | hi |
| 14:35:36 | chouimat | hi warmi |
| 14:35:38 | darienm | warmi !!!!!! |
| 14:36:04 | chouimat | darienm: :) |
| 14:36:22 | warmi | hi |
| 14:36:29 | chouimat | rehi warmi |
| 14:36:31 | darienm | chouimat: I think you meant "deities" |
| 14:36:46 | chouimat | darienm: divinities |
| 14:38:41 | tux_mike | hey warmi |
| 14:44:01 | imm | is day of the tentacle playable on the Z ? |
| 14:44:43 | chouimat | imm: don't know |
| 14:45:41 | George-- | http://www.sentman.com/oops/IMG_0040.JPG |
| 14:45:43 | George-- | ouch... |
| 14:48:44 | George-- | boooohooooo |
| 14:48:57 | djk | is that your laptop? |
| 14:49:08 | George-- | no |
| 14:49:09 | George-- | ;) |
| 14:49:13 | George-- | (thank god) |
| 14:49:37 | George-- | if that *was* i'd go nuts |
| 14:49:40 | djk | It's good to work for a corp they ix it ;-) |
| 14:49:49 | djk | ix=fix |
| 14:50:09 | djk | how did you stumble on that |
| 14:52:11 | George-- | djk: They fix? |
| 14:52:12 | George-- | djk: what? |
| 14:52:26 | George-- | djk: I stumbled across it in the apple discussion forums |
| 14:53:21 | warmi | I keep it that way cause my wife uses it |
| 14:53:58 | warmi | uh .. sorry .. wrong window |
| 14:54:02 | George-- | lol |
| 14:55:26 | tux_mike | great... i wish i knew more japanese |
| 14:59:24 | tux_mike | warmi: no sounds of impending doom over at the tribune? :) |
| 14:59:50 | warmi | tux_mike: no sounds at all |
| 14:59:56 | warmi | tux_mike: why doom ? |
| 15:00:03 | tux_mike | just kidding around :) |
| 15:00:08 | warmi | tux_mike: hehe |
| 15:00:33 | tux_mike | you see that sprint announced 3G? |
| 15:03:52 | kergoth` | hey |
| 15:03:58 | mark | hi kergoth |
| 15:04:08 | chouimat | hi kergoth |
| 15:04:30 | warmi | tux_mike: will it work with the ZAurus ? |
| 15:04:36 | mark | warmi: hiya |
| 15:04:38 | kergoth` | how goes it |
| 15:04:42 | warmi | mark hi |
| 15:04:49 | tux_mike | warmi: no CF card, yet |
| 15:04:54 | kergoth` | hey warmi |
| 15:04:58 | tux_mike | plus current plans are a bit pricy |
| 15:05:01 | warmi | kergoth`: hi |
| 15:05:10 | warmi | tux_mike: yeah but how about the wireless modem ? |
| 15:05:16 | warmi | will that work with the zaurus ? |
| 15:05:42 | tux_mike | well, a phone and serial datacable should work |
| 15:05:43 | warmi | mark: how you been ? |
| 15:05:52 | Microdim | what is good or better about OpenZaurus? |
| 15:06:04 | mark | warmi: pretty good. got myself a wireless CF card :). |
| 15:06:13 | Microdim | than the rom that comes with the Zaurus |
| 15:06:13 | warmi | tux_mike: well, Sharp mobile sucks according to people who use it |
| 15:06:20 | warmi | mark: courtesy of Knights ? |
| 15:06:22 | warmi | hehe |
| 15:06:59 | Microdim | what is good or better about OpenZaurus? |
| 15:07:02 | tux_mike | warmi: i'm gonna get the high end samsung phone in a few months. |
| 15:07:13 | NetAmp | whoah |
| 15:07:16 | tux_mike | hopefully i'll be able to get a new laptop soon ;) |
| 15:07:29 | NetAmp | you guys have good eyesight? ;) http://www.guimp.com/ |
| 15:07:31 | NetAmp | the world's smallest web site |
| 15:07:45 | warmi | tux_mike: good for you |
| 15:08:06 | warmi | heh |
| 15:08:21 | mark | warmi: heh, yeh, pretty much |
| 15:08:29 | tux_mike | but i need a good job to get the lapotp, hint, hint :) |
| 15:08:33 | warmi | mark: working on anything now ? |
| 15:08:42 | warmi | tux_mike: I know you need one |
| 15:08:55 | Microdim | tux_mike: what is good or better about OpenZaurus?, is it better that qtopia? |
| 15:08:59 | warmi | tux_mike: and I wish I was the guy making hiring decisions around here :-) |
| 15:09:10 | tux_mike | :) |
| 15:09:19 | mark | warmi: nah, my computer is busted atm |
| 15:09:22 | tux_mike | microdim: i think kergoth has a faq |
| 15:09:28 | warmi | tux_mike: as a matter of fact I will go and ask WOlak now .. just for the heck of it |
| 15:09:32 | Microdim | where? |
| 15:09:41 | tux_mike | dunno off hand |
| 15:10:31 | kergoth` | Microdim: http://openzaurus.sf.net/ .. go to the sourforge project, files section. read FAQ. |
| 15:11:17 | Microdim | thanks |
| 15:11:20 | NeoTron | Billed to:Asuka Yazaki |
| 15:11:20 | NeoTron | $BJ}Fn(B2-4-24 |
| 15:11:20 | NeoTron | $B%b%J!<%/Bh(B2$BJ}Fn(BB-103 |
| 15:11:20 | NeoTron | $B?yJB6h(B, $BEl5~ET(B 168-0062 |
| 15:11:21 | NeoTron | huga |
| 15:11:31 | kergoth` | ? |
| 15:11:41 | NeoTron | got a sale for Bust'em |
| 15:11:41 | mark | NeoTron: hehe, :). what browser? |
| 15:11:44 | NeoTron | in japanese |
| 15:11:50 | tux_mike | it's in JIS encoding :) |
| 15:11:51 | Harlekin | hehe |
| 15:11:55 | NeoTron | I know |
| 15:11:56 | Harlekin | A300 is sold since this week |
| 15:12:05 | NeoTron | just the first one I've seen |
| 15:12:16 | NeoTron | anuone know japanese here? :) |
| 15:12:29 | NeoTron | I don't feel like paying Handango another 15% for translations... |
| 15:12:42 | NetAmp | hm |
| 15:12:51 | warmi | NeoTron: that's not japanese .. that is random ASCII :-) |
| 15:12:54 | NetAmp | hehe |
| 15:13:06 | NetAmp | so Japanese speak random ASCII? |
| 15:13:25 | tux_mike | yes, they speak random ASCII :) |
| 15:13:30 | NetAmp | ah, that's why I don't understand 'em... |
| 15:13:45 | | OK, NetAmp. |
| 15:13:45 | NetAmp | ibot: Japanese are <reply> they speak random ASCII |
| 15:13:52 | | they speak random ASCII |
| 15:13:52 | NetAmp | ibot: Japanese |
| 15:13:59 | Microdim | about OpenZaurus, what if I have an SL-5500? and not a SL-5500D? |
| 15:14:05 | NeoTron | http://visavis.handango.com/PlatformHome.jsp?platformId=9&siteId=32&zsortP |
| 15:14:14 | NeoTron | I sure hope Bust'em works on the A300 btw! |
| 15:14:25 | NeoTron | and that reminds me- I should really release the updated version |
| 15:14:42 | NeoTron | HAH! they have translated the descriptions for Bust'em anyway |
| 15:15:10 | NeoTron | so I could have contracted them to do it and paid for it or let them do it for free anyway. :P |
| 15:15:52 | roge99_laptop | kergoth: ping |
| 15:15:58 | NeoTron | Should release Bust'em in Japanese too |
| 15:16:24 | NeoTron | is away: work |
| 15:16:37 | VerxHome | Hi Joe, |
| 15:16:37 | VerxHome | Great modificaitions. |
| 15:16:37 | VerxHome | We will send you a Zaurus. Please confirm with me your address. |
| 15:16:37 | VerxHome | Hope the Z will better assist you in making the program even better. |
| 15:16:38 | VerxHome | Thanks |
| 15:16:42 | VerxHome | dances! |
| 15:16:50 | NetAmp | ghehe |
| 15:16:52 | mark | VerxHome: cool. whats the product? |
| 15:17:01 | mark | s/product/program |
| 15:17:06 | VerxHome | mark: http://www.joechott.com/software.php3 |
| 15:17:18 | warmi | mark: how did you get your app on that Japanese handango ? |
| 15:17:32 | NeoTron | mark: did you have them translate your app? |
| 15:17:41 | NeoTron | warmi: as I said, it seems like they just did |
| 15:17:51 | mark | NeoTron: nope. |
| 15:18:16 | mark | warmi: they pretty much just did it, then i faxed the form back to them, and had to set up a new product id for handango |
| 15:19:06 | NeoTron | mark: and you are aware that the free translation costs an additional 15% of the revenue for two years exclusively? |
| 15:19:30 | mark | NeoTron: yes. i thought it was worth doing despite that |
| 15:19:36 | warmi | man .. I would love to know if 5000/5500 apps work out of the box on A300 |
| 15:19:41 | NeoTron | I never did send a form back and they still did it so I don't know |
| 15:19:48 | NeoTron | warmi: they must since they sell them... |
| 15:19:51 | kergoth` | roge99_laptop: pong |
| 15:19:54 | roge99_laptop | hey |
| 15:20:05 | roge99_laptop | i fixed the suspend prob w/ the 32 image |
| 15:20:07 | George-- | hrmm |
| 15:20:08 | NeoTron | Now I can add Bust'em in Japanese grabbing the japanese descriptions. :) |
| 15:20:16 | warmi | well, are you sure it is for a300 ? |
| 15:20:24 | NeoTron | Bust'em ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????... :) Nice cut'n'paste there tho |
| 15:20:32 | roge99_laptop | dump the /dev/mtdblock6 entry from fstab |
| 15:20:33 | NeoTron | warmi: yes I'm sure |
| 15:21:04 | warmi | I wonder what kind of performance one can expect from a300 |
| 15:21:08 | NeoTron | anyhow, was going to work |
| 15:21:12 | NeoTron | that's what I wonder |
| 15:21:13 | warmi | it is 200 mhz Xscale CPU |
| 15:21:22 | NeoTron | and I really need the better Bust'em out |
| 15:21:26 | NeoTron | time to get whopping tonight |
| 15:21:32 | NeoTron | and post the Japanese Bust'em too |
| 15:21:40 | mark | NeoTron: who translated that? |
| 15:24:11 | roge99_laptop | kergoth: we sould modify freset to modify fstab on hard reset ( or inital flash ) to remove the line for /dev/mtdblock6 |
| 15:24:32 | mark | warmi: does gcc do xscale optimisations? |
| 15:24:45 | warmi | mark: only gcc 3.x |
| 15:24:52 | warmi | or at least that's what I heard |
| 15:25:02 | Cloudchaser | hiya everyone |
| 15:25:06 | warmi | hi Cloudchaser |
| 15:25:35 | mark | warmi: its a bit of a bummer that the japanese don't play chess :) |
| 15:25:44 | BigBoss | hey |
| 15:25:46 | warmi | mark: they play go :-) |
| 15:25:54 | warmi | hi BB |
| 15:26:08 | tux_mike | sucks bad at chess |
| 15:26:18 | roge99_laptop | hey BB |
| 15:26:21 | mark | warmi: yeah |
| 15:26:48 | warmi | mark: you can try to port gnu-go |
| 15:26:59 | roge99_laptop | BigBoss: i resolved my issues w/ tkc apps and OZ |
| 15:27:00 | BigBoss | NeoTron: yea, Handango wanted stuff so desperately for their japanese launch that they translated stuff before they even asked about it |
| 15:27:54 | mark | warmi: thats the engine right? |
| 15:28:07 | Cloudchaser | BigBoss: did you get that email yet? |
| 15:28:32 | mark | warmi: i also wonder how much better it is than the one that comes with the Z |
| 15:28:50 | warmi | mark: I think so ..http://www.gnu.org/software/gnugo/gnugo.html |
| 15:29:02 | warmi | mark: I know nothing about go so I can't comment on that :-) |
| 15:29:54 | mark | warmi: heh, me neither :) |
| 15:30:18 | mark | warmi: btw, how go those themes? :) |
| 15:30:38 | Cloudchaser | NeoTron: have any new and exciting games out or coming soon? |
| 15:31:11 | warmi | mark: completely forgot :-) |
| 15:31:35 | warmi | mark will try to get them to you tomorrow |
| 15:31:53 | bipolar | damnit.... how the hell do I get networking up in DOS in VMware. |
| 15:31:53 | mark | warmi: okay, there is no rush as I can't do anything until my computer is up again |
| 15:32:01 | warmi | it is basically bunch of png images .. each contains set of two colors of pieces |
| 15:32:18 | warmi | mark: what happen to your comp ? I missed that part |
| 15:32:28 | Jerakeen | bipolar: HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA <ahem> Don't. Really. |
| 15:32:49 | mark | warmi: i think they mainboard's gone. need to try another CPU before I can confirm it as being that though |
| 15:33:17 | warmi | uh .. what kind of CPU is that ( speed wise ) ? |
| 15:33:25 | bipolar | Jerakeen: I need to run a DOS program that runs off a netware server. |
| 15:33:43 | mark | warmi: the current one? XP 1800+ |
| 15:33:56 | bipolar | Jerakeen: unless I can make the vmware session see a part of my file system as a drive.... |
| 15:33:59 | warmi | ah .. ok , then it is definately worth checking out |
| 15:34:14 | warmi | I thought it was something older .. |
| 15:34:21 | warmi | I need to upgrade my 1 ghz athlon |
| 15:34:22 | Jerakeen | bipolar: dos networking was a black art. really black. I'm getting flashbacks already, thanks a bunch. :-) |
| 15:34:41 | tux_mike | i could go for a 2.7G P4 |
| 15:34:44 | bipolar | Jerakeen: I've got two dos workstations running right now. :) |
| 15:34:48 | mark | warmi: nah, i just brought it. but i was having strange problems before I did, so i think its the mainboard |
| 15:34:51 | warmi | but this time I hope to get dual 1.6 Athlon MP .. each costs around $150 + $200 for the motherboard |
| 15:35:21 | mark | are 1.6MPs that cheap? |
| 15:35:38 | mark | that'd be a nice system |
| 15:36:14 | tux_mike | also needs to upgrade his bandwidth |
| 15:36:23 | warmi | mark: check this out :http://www.krex.com/Ppmain.asp?sg=1&gr=1&it=4&si=30 |
| 15:36:33 | warmi | actually one can get MP 1800 for $147 |
| 15:37:14 | mark | and your getting 2 yes? |
| 15:37:26 | kergoth` | roge99_laptop: ahh.. actually, we should start with a freset that doesnt have the line, and have it ADD the line, IF and only if it detects a mtdram device, eh? |
| 15:37:30 | warmi | dual motherboard for $219 http://www.krex.com/Ppmain.asp?sg=1&gr=1&it=14&si=11 |
| 15:37:33 | warmi | and I am set |
| 15:37:42 | roge99_laptop | kergoth that would work too |
| 15:37:42 | warmi | mark: yeah .. I will get 2 |
| 15:38:15 | mark | warmi: so thats $500 total or so |
| 15:38:28 | warmi | mark: I don't know about UK but this stuff is dirty cheap in US |
| 15:38:35 | roge99_laptop | but then you have to check to see if its already there too |
| 15:38:44 | warmi | mark: yeah .. most likely I will have to spend another $100 on 266 512 MB memory |
| 15:38:45 | mark | warmi: there is not that much of a difference I dont think |
| 15:38:45 | roge99_laptop | ie someone hard resets |
| 15:39:00 | mark | warmi: that is if you know where to go here |
| 15:39:07 | roge99_laptop | and ends up w/ 2 lines in fstab for mtdram |
| 15:41:07 | kergoth` | roge99_laptop: yeah, true.. if ! (grep mtdblock6 /etc/fstab 2>/dev/null >&2); then echo blah >> /etc/fstab; fi; |
| 15:41:10 | kergoth` | heh |
| 15:41:11 | mark | warmi: and i'm finally getting DSL, which is good |
| 15:41:24 | warmi | mark: yeah ... |
| 15:41:32 | warmi | I am about to go dark for a month |
| 15:41:44 | roge99_laptop | yea its not a prob to do it ... just to make sure you do it |
| 15:41:52 | warmi | moving to another place and it will take about 3-4 weeks to get my connection back |
| 15:42:00 | kergoth` | roge99_laptop: yeah thanks for the reminder, i probably wouldve forgotten :-) |
| 15:42:16 | mark | warmi: ouch. |
| 15:42:30 | roge99_laptop | lol .. as long as you dont forget to srip the modules :-) |
| 15:43:12 | warmi | for the time being I will move www.warmi.net to my buddy server |
| 15:43:12 | codemnky | hi |
| 15:43:22 | roge99_laptop | kergoth any idea why that would help |
| 15:43:23 | warmi | but won't have net access from my home |
| 15:43:33 | codemnky | who here has an eye for gui stuff |
| 15:43:50 | roge99_laptop | i originaly did it cuz i got sick of seening it bitch on boot |
| 15:44:53 | tux_mike | warmi: what kind of access? |
| 15:46:02 | warmi | no, I mean .. I will move my domain to my buddy's server so www.warmi.net and my email will work but I will not have DSL access from home for about one month |
| 15:46:02 | codemnky | isn't going to bother kergoth much today |
| 15:46:31 | warmi | I guess I could use dial up but that's benith me :-) |
| 15:47:15 | tux_mike | the only reason i'm gonna have a land line when i move out is for DSL. it's gonna act otherwise as my fax line :) |
| 15:49:45 | warmi | tux_mike: you use cell all the time ? |
| 15:51:08 | darienm | my sister hasn't had a land line for over 2 years. She uses her cell exclusively for all phone contact outside of the office. |
| 15:51:23 | tux_mike | warmi: i will once i move out |
| 15:52:02 | warmi | well.. I like to use cell only as a way for me to contact others :-) |
| 15:52:06 | roge99_laptop | is away: lunch ..... |
| 15:52:08 | warmi | it is always off |
| 15:52:15 | mark | warmi: do you use hardware modem/router or a modem in a pc |
| 15:52:27 | tux_mike | i don't now because wood dale is the most technological town i know, and i don't get sufficent reception at home |
| 15:52:30 | darienm | mine's been on continuously for over 8 years. |
| 15:52:44 | warmi | mark: I got external gateway/router from telocity ( my dsl provider) |
| 15:52:44 | tux_mike | s/technological/technologically deficient |
| 15:53:07 | mark | warmi: think they are better than a modem in a pc? |
| 15:53:25 | tux_mike | warmi: speakeasy |
| 15:53:27 | tux_mike | :) |
| 15:53:37 | warmi | well .. not really |
| 15:53:50 | warmi | makes no difference to me |
| 15:54:01 | warmi | it is hooked up to my linux ip masquarading server |
| 15:55:09 | warmi | mark: I know their DSL gateway has its own ip masquarading software etc .. but it is add-on service .. |
| 15:55:51 | mark | warmi: i see. so you have the server doing the masquerading rather than the external device |
| 15:56:31 | warmi | yeah .. I don't have to pay for anything .. beside, my www server has to have a real IP anyway |
| 15:57:21 | VerxHome | mark |
| 15:57:24 | VerxHome | did you look at my app? |
| 15:57:38 | warmi | so my www.warmi.net box acts both as a masquarading box and as my www/ftp/mail server |
| 15:58:39 | VerxHome | http://www.joechott.com/software.php3 |
| 15:59:19 | mark | VerxHome: yeh, looks good |
| 15:59:23 | mark | warmi: I see |
| 15:59:23 | frankps | hi all |
| 16:00:23 | warmi | VerxHome: you getting your Z ? |
| 16:00:56 | kergoth` | VerxHome: congrats on the Z |
| 16:01:12 | VerxHome | warmi: |
| 16:01:13 | VerxHome | Hi Joe, |
| 16:01:13 | VerxHome | Great modificaitions. |
| 16:01:13 | VerxHome | We will send you a Zaurus. Please confirm with me your address. |
| 16:01:13 | VerxHome | Hope the Z will better assist you in making the program even better. |
| 16:01:13 | VerxHome | Thanks |
| 16:01:32 | VerxHome | thanks kergoth |
| 16:01:59 | warmi | VerxHome: so how do you like Qt now ? |
| 16:02:21 | VerxHome | warmi: Well, I had to learn C++ to use Qt |
| 16:02:27 | VerxHome | not that I know C++ super well just yet |
| 16:02:48 | VerxHome | I like C++ a -*LOT*- now that I understand more of how it can be used |
| 16:02:59 | warmi | right now I am writing mfc code ... |
| 16:03:02 | VerxHome | and I feel like Qt has made good use of what C++ can provide for QUI tools |
| 16:03:07 | BigBoss | yep |
| 16:03:08 | VerxHome | er, s/QUI/GUI |
| 16:03:16 | VerxHome | warmi: How hellish is it? |
| 16:03:19 | BigBoss | oh cool Verx, you got a free Z? |
| 16:03:22 | warmi | uh ...i already forgot how bad mfc is |
| 16:03:24 | warmi | hehe |
| 16:03:39 | Cloudchaser | congrats VerxHome! :) |
| 16:03:40 | VerxHome | Shawn: Yup! |
| 16:03:44 | BigBoss | cool |
| 16:03:45 | VerxHome | thanks cloudchaser |
| 16:03:55 | Cloudchaser | i'm very happy for you ;) |
| 16:04:14 | VerxHome | I actually owe a great deal of thanks to everyone on IRC |
| 16:04:20 | VerxHome | people are so supportive around here |
| 16:04:27 | Cloudchaser | yeah they sure are :) |
| 16:04:29 | VerxHome | it is a very nice environment |
| 16:04:44 | tux_mike | MFC, more fun than ten rabid quirels down your pants! |
| 16:05:08 | warmi | well, I am porting Puzz-le to Pocket PC |
| 16:05:17 | warmi | and I was using MFC for a while |
| 16:05:26 | warmi | but finally switched to GapiDraw framework |
| 16:05:38 | tux_mike | GapiDraw? |
| 16:05:51 | warmi | http://www.gapidraw.com |
| 16:06:01 | warmi | free game development framework for PPC |
| 16:06:05 | warmi | very basic |
| 16:06:08 | warmi | just blitting etc |
| 16:06:18 | warmi | but this guy who wrote it is porting it to Zaurus |
| 16:06:39 | warmi | since Puzz-le for PPC will be GPL |
| 16:06:46 | warmi | I created miniqt for PPC |
| 16:07:09 | warmi | which consists of Qt collection classes and some other usefull classes like QColor, QRect QWMatrix etc |
| 16:07:19 | tux_mike | brb... i wanna go grab a candy bar |
| 16:07:20 | warmi | and I am using that together with GapiDraw |
| 16:07:39 | VerxHome | tux_mike: Grab me one too, would ya? :) |
| 16:08:15 | warmi | we are working on a project for Phillips now , and we are being visited by some guys from Phillips Europe |
| 16:08:27 | warmi | they brought crapload of belgian chocolades etc |
| 16:08:29 | VerxHome | warmi: You are at work? |
| 16:08:29 | warmi | great stuff |
| 16:08:32 | VerxHome | oh man |
| 16:08:34 | warmi | VerxHome: yeah |
| 16:08:35 | VerxHome | you suck! :) |
| 16:08:57 | warmi | VerxHome: why .. cause I am at work or cause I am eating Belgian chockolades ? |
| 16:08:59 | warmi | hehe |
| 16:09:03 | Cloudchaser | mmmm |
| 16:10:47 | VerxHome | which do you think warmi? |
| 16:10:48 | VerxHome | :) |
| 16:10:54 | warmi | hehe |
| 16:11:10 | warmi | VerxHome: not everyone can be xxxHome |
| 16:11:12 | warmi | heh |
| 16:11:21 | VerxHome | warmi: Well, I work from home on Wednesdays |
| 16:11:30 | VerxHome | thankfully |
| 16:11:38 | VerxHome | it is 10am and I am done for the day |
| 16:11:39 | VerxHome | woohooo!!! |
| 16:12:34 | warmi | good for you |
| 16:12:53 | tux_mike | warmi: i also want to port my bejeweled clone to my mobile phone :) |
| 16:13:13 | warmi | what kind of OS is that ? |
| 16:13:16 | warmi | symbian or java? |
| 16:13:29 | tux_mike | afaik java |
| 16:13:38 | warmi | that's easy then |
| 16:13:56 | VerxHome | warmi: Just curious, if you were doing apps instead of games on ppc, would MFC have been reasonable? |
| 16:14:10 | warmi | VerxHome: it would be the only choice |
| 16:14:15 | VerxHome | really? |
| 16:14:20 | warmi | yeah |
| 16:14:21 | VerxHome | no toolsets out there eh? |
| 16:14:24 | VerxHome | interesting |
| 16:14:26 | tux_mike | that's all PPC has available? |
| 16:14:28 | warmi | until Trolls port their Qt for PPC |
| 16:14:30 | VerxHome | well, how would it have been for you warmi? |
| 16:14:35 | warmi | (they already have PPC version internally) |
| 16:14:47 | VerxHome | oh wow, that would be AMAZINGLY awesome |
| 16:14:55 | warmi | VerxHome: well, you could use C + WinAPI 32 |
| 16:15:02 | VerxHome | warmi: Any word on how well it works on ppc? |
| 16:15:03 | warmi | but that sucks even more |
| 16:15:14 | tux_mike | lol |
| 16:15:21 | warmi | VerxHome: I would assume it works just as good as it does on the desktop |
| 16:15:25 | VerxHome | cool |
| 16:15:33 | VerxHome | wonders how long until Qt on PPC |
| 16:15:38 | warmi | I myself ported non-GUI Qt classes to PPC |
| 16:15:43 | warmi | because I just love them |
| 16:15:49 | warmi | and PPC doesn't come with STL |
| 16:15:58 | mark | warmi: really? that sucks |
| 16:16:02 | VerxHome | what is STL? |
| 16:16:08 | VerxHome | shows his lack of knowledge. .. |
| 16:16:08 | mark | standard template library |
| 16:16:14 | George-- | StandardTemplate Libarry |
| 16:16:16 | George-- | blah |
| 16:16:20 | George-- | kicks mark |
| 16:16:37 | mark | warmi: if I use a hardware router masquearading, is there gonna be anything I can't do with that that I could with a server masqueading? |
| 16:17:05 | warmi | mark: well, nothing as far as masquarading itself |
| 16:17:12 | tux_mike | mark: depends on the router and what you are looking for |
| 16:17:22 | warmi | the only issue is that you won't be able to run your own servers |
| 16:17:53 | warmi | there is also an issue of games |
| 16:18:02 | VerxHome | yeah |
| 16:18:07 | warmi | there are Linux filters settings for all kinds of games |
| 16:18:09 | chouimat | wb George- |
| 16:18:09 | VerxHome | no games will work hardly on a hardware router |
| 16:18:19 | VerxHome | george! Long time no see! |
| 16:18:26 | warmi | it might be much harder to figure out how to configure your router masquarading to support a given game |
| 16:18:26 | VerxHome | hey george, how is your app coming by the way? |
| 16:18:29 | George- | ty |
| 16:18:52 | chouimat | someone tried exult on the zaurus? |
| 16:18:58 | George- | VerxHome: don't ask |
| 16:19:01 | VerxHome | chouimat: Worked for me |
| 16:19:09 | George- | VerxHome: I was on IRC about 2 minutes ago.... |
| 16:19:12 | VerxHome | George-: But I -*DID*- ask. :) |
| 16:19:25 | VerxHome | George-: I know you were just on irc. it was a JOKE for crisakes |
| 16:19:39 | mark | warmi: i do want to run my own servers. |
| 16:20:23 | frankps | Has anyone read the latest article at http://www.pdabuzz.com/, is it something new? |
| 16:20:26 | ciaolinux | VerxHome: is sharp mailbox free? |
| 16:20:36 | VerxHome | nope |
| 16:20:39 | mark | apparently the routers will 'pass' on the connection to a local server |
| 16:20:41 | warmi | amrk: well, I guess you could configure your router to forward everything on port 80 to some internal box running www |
| 16:20:47 | warmi | httpd deamon I mean |
| 16:21:04 | mark | warmi: yeh, thats waht I was thinkng |
| 16:21:16 | VerxHome | mark: Many things require more than simple port forwarding to run (game wise) |
| 16:21:20 | warmi | mark: but . a t least for me, using Linux server with two eth cards was just simpler :-) |
| 16:21:32 | VerxHome | if all you will need is port forwarding, you can get yourself an arbitrary router |
| 16:21:38 | warmi | VerxHome: they require port forwarding both ways |
| 16:21:45 | warmi | some of them .. |
| 16:21:49 | warmi | Quake works by default |
| 16:21:54 | VerxHome | if you wanna play games, you need to use linux ip masq |
| 16:22:08 | mark | warmi: i'm just worried that if I have a power cut or anything and I'm not about the house will be without an connection |
| 16:22:10 | warmi | but for example Age of Kings required speciall settings for both TCP and UDP( mostly MS game zone) |
| 16:22:26 | VerxHome | mark: heheheh, when I lose power, my net comes right back up |
| 16:22:39 | mark | VerxHome: how does the system get reset? |
| 16:22:44 | Neo|Work | is away: I'm busy |
| 16:22:50 | VerxHome | and has for the last 8 or so years that I have been doing linux ip masq |
| 16:22:54 | warmi | mark: it simply reboots :-) |
| 16:23:01 | VerxHome | mark: When it gets power again, it starts up again |
| 16:23:03 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 00:00:02) |
| 16:23:05 | VerxHome | like any good linux system |
| 16:23:10 | Neo|Work | woops |
| 16:23:10 | Neo|Work | hello again |
| 16:23:24 | VerxHome | NeoTron: Glad to have you back after all that time away |
| 16:23:25 | VerxHome | :) |
| 16:23:25 | warmi | actually, my router is more problematic in this regard |
| 16:23:29 | mark | VerxHome: right.... so no UPS or anything needed |
| 16:23:40 | mark | warmi: i see. i diddn't realise it'd just reboot |
| 16:23:41 | warmi | sometimes it will drop connection and needs to be restarted |
| 16:23:43 | chouimat | yay! found the cause of my sshd problem |
| 16:23:54 | VerxHome | warmi: Hardware router? |
| 16:23:55 | Neo|Work | warmi: you work with java for a liviing right? |
| 16:24:04 | VerxHome | warmi doesn't make a living |
| 16:24:06 | Neo|Work | VerxHome: I've always been here |
| 16:24:09 | VerxHome | he just exists on this channel |
| 16:24:14 | warmi | NeoTron: yeah |
| 16:24:16 | VerxHome | NeoTron: I KNOW MAN! Was a joke! |
| 16:24:21 | VerxHome | no one is getting my jokes today |
| 16:24:22 | VerxHome | :( |
| 16:24:31 | Neo|Work | VerxHome: oh, really? ;-) |
| 16:24:34 | VerxHome | heh |
| 16:24:41 | Neo|Work | warmi: so do I now, apparently |
| 16:24:43 | VerxHome | I just did the same thing to George |
| 16:24:46 | VerxHome | and he didn't get it either |
| 16:24:48 | warmi | NeoTron: why do you ask ? I work with Java but not much on the GUI end |
| 16:24:55 | warmi | mostly backend stuff |
| 16:25:00 | Neo|Work | warmi: J2EE, JSP and stuff |
| 16:25:11 | Alphonso | Yo! |
| 16:25:14 | warmi | NeoTron: yeah .. we are working now with ORION Java app server |
| 16:25:14 | Neo|Work | warmi: I ask because I was just... laid off and rehired without being actually laid off |
| 16:25:30 | kergoth` | Speedy2: greetings |
| 16:25:30 | Neo|Work | warmi: meaning, I was force transferred back to my previous position, which now is J2EE |
| 16:25:42 | warmi | hehehe ... time to learn Java then :-) |
| 16:25:47 | Neo|Work | warmi: seems like we might be using Oracle app server |
| 16:25:57 | warmi | NeoTron: Oracle app server IS orion |
| 16:25:59 | warmi | :-) |
| 16:26:12 | warmi | they use modified ORION |
| 16:26:17 | Cloudchaser | Neo|Work: youo got laid off and rehired today??? |
| 16:26:18 | Neo|Work | warmi: indeed. There is the funny part. I don't know Java. Well, I didn't a week ago. Have written a few JSP tags that do some fairly complicated stuff |
| 16:26:38 | TraGETTY | Ok... please: How do I get a command line prompt? |
| 16:26:41 | Neo|Work | Cloudchaser: No, my positon I had was cut back (i.e removed). I was offered 1) being laid off, 2) having my old position back |
| 16:26:48 | TraGETTY | Iv been all over the dev site, i cant figure it out! |
| 16:26:53 | warmi | NeoTron: actually I am not playing much with JSP but more with the servlets ... but JSP basically ends up being servlet anyway |
| 16:26:54 | Neo|Work | warmi: oh. :P |
| 16:27:08 | Cloudchaser | ah.. glad you didn't get laid off outright :) |
| 16:27:08 | mark | VerxHome: when you say 'like any good linux system', whats a good linux system? |
| 16:27:16 | Neo|Work | yes. I didn't like the JSP concept untill I realized you can even make tags |
| 16:27:31 | Neo|Work | Cloudchaser: Some in-company protetors it seems... |
| 16:27:36 | Neo|Work | protectors even |
| 16:27:41 | warmi | NeoTron: well, the syntax can be hairy but generally it is ok |
| 16:27:43 | Cloudchaser | :) |
| 16:27:45 | mark | VerxHome: i've got a duron system here, should that do it? |
| 16:27:46 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Hello. |
| 16:27:47 | VerxHome | mark: I am unaware of a linux system that wouldn't simply start up and get networking going by itself if it has been configured properly. I personally use debian and loath all others. :) |
| 16:27:55 | Speedy2 | Wow...lots of text. |
| 16:27:56 | VerxHome | mark: It doesn't matter what hardware you have |
| 16:27:56 | TraGETTY | Alright more specific, how do I get a command line prompt on the zaurus 5500? |
| 16:27:59 | Speedy2 | parses |
| 16:28:10 | VerxHome | mark: A 386 makes a good linux ip masq router, just so you know |
| 16:28:12 | Neo|Work | warmi: but when you write all code separately from the pages it's much like RXML/Pike that I'm used to |
| 16:28:19 | mark | VerxHome: k, its not getting net interfaces up i'm worried about, i'm worried that the thing will start up again rather than staying off |
| 16:28:23 | Neo|Work | just a different language and 5-10 times the memory requirement. :-)) |
| 16:28:24 | TraGETTY | Gentoo rox, all others fjeer |
| 16:28:31 | VerxHome | mark: um. . .. |
| 16:28:42 | VerxHome | mark: It -*WILL*- start up again, that is the point |
| 16:28:42 | warmi | NeoTron: yeah ... if you have all the classes and beans already written for you then it is basically scripting |
| 16:28:48 | VerxHome | that is what computers do when they lose power |
| 16:28:49 | TraGETTY | the portage system is the best |
| 16:28:50 | mark | VerxHome: ok, good, just making sure :) |
| 16:28:54 | VerxHome | when they get power back, it starts up |
| 16:28:58 | VerxHome | mark: Try it |
| 16:28:58 | Neo|Work | warmi: you know what the REALLY scary part is? I kind of like it |
| 16:29:15 | TraGETTY | Do any of you know how to get to a command line prompt? |
| 16:29:24 | VerxHome | turn the duron on, yank the power cord, and then plug it back in. (or better yet, plug it into a power strip, turn the power strip off, then back on) |
| 16:29:24 | Neo|Work | warmi: I'm guessing what I'll be doing is mostly writing the "classes and beans" rather than actually writing JSP |
| 16:30:07 | Speedy2 | Bad idea to use one power strip to turn on/of |
| 16:30:18 | warmi | NeoTron: that depends how well you know Java . writing beans is equivlent of writting C++ backend code and writing JSP is equivlent of calling that code with Visual basic |
| 16:30:36 | VerxHome | Speedy2: It is a simple test to see if his computer turns itself back on after losing power |
| 16:30:46 | VerxHome | Speedy2: I wasn't recommending it as a general practice |
| 16:30:47 | VerxHome | ;) |
| 16:30:48 | warmi | frankly, writing jsp is boring |
| 16:30:52 | TraGETTY | excuse me ppl but does ANYONE know how to get to a command line prompt?! |
| 16:30:58 | Neo|Work | warmi: perhaps you can tell me why this happens - at times I get "out of memory" whe compiling my simple JSP (i.e the JSP page has changed and I reload it)). The (started from the JDeveloper IDE) server is like 100 MB... |
| 16:31:00 | BigBoss | yes, run the terminal app |
| 16:31:25 | TraGETTY | does it come with it out of the box? |
| 16:31:29 | warmi | using APache + Orion ? |
| 16:31:34 | TraGETTY | Cant i just nix Qtopia? |
| 16:31:47 | warmi | oh JDeveloper |
| 16:31:56 | Neo|Work | warmi: I think so... :P |
| 16:31:59 | warmi | I never used JDeveloper |
| 16:32:17 | warmi | does it has its own desktop mini httpd + servlet deamon ? |
| 16:32:19 | kergoth` | TraGETTY: at bootup when it says please wait, you can hit / (or \, i dont recall) to get into a boot menu |
| 16:32:26 | mark | VerxHome: good idea. i would if i could get to the power without moving a whole hog of stuff |
| 16:32:33 | Neo|Work | I wouldn't call a 200 MB / 100 MB resident server mini |
| 16:32:38 | TraGETTY | kergoth: thank you verymuch |
| 16:32:51 | warmi | well but it is mini compared to full blown Apache install :-) |
| 16:32:57 | kergoth` | TraGETTY: np |
| 16:33:00 | Neo|Work | Server: Oracle9iAS (9.0.2.0.0) Containers for J2EE |
| 16:33:06 | warmi | btw .. ORIOn is an extremely buggy app server |
| 16:33:08 | TraGETTY | btw: its a / |
| 16:33:11 | TraGETTY | :) |
| 16:33:23 | Neo|Work | warmi: ah, how nice to hear. Now, as I said, I don't know what app server will be used |
| 16:33:55 | warmi | sometimes we are forced to run it in the single thread mode ( like CGI) cause their multithreading is majorly fucked up |
| 16:34:08 | warmi | it also has problems with connection pooling to ORacle |
| 16:34:20 | warmi | we had to start using Oracle own connection pulling class |
| 16:34:22 | Neo|Work | All I know is that is what I was told to use (JDeveloper etc) |
| 16:34:34 | Neo|Work | I'm guessing the Oracle version has better oracle code though |
| 16:34:41 | warmi | I never used that piece of software so I don't know what could be happening there |
| 16:34:56 | warmi | it might be some sort of JDeveloper specific issue .. I never seen that error |
| 16:35:32 | warmi | we have our own testing server ( small Solaris IDE box) |
| 16:35:35 | Neo|Work | it says to run with command line argument to increase the memory |
| 16:35:43 | Neo|Work | but I don't know how the heck... |
| 16:35:47 | warmi | which runs Oralce + Apache + NEtscape iPlanet |
| 16:35:51 | Neo|Work | this is on my desktop, which I use for testing all code |
| 16:35:58 | Neo|Work | actually only run it in this one so far |
| 16:36:05 | warmi | NeoTron: go to groups.google.com and look for an answer |
| 16:36:12 | Neo|Work | I did, found nothing |
| 16:36:19 | warmi | uh .. that's bad |
| 16:36:28 | warmi | if dejanews fails .. nothing will save you :-) |
| 16:36:34 | Neo|Work | it fixes itself so it does seem it actually does run out of memory until gc runs... |
| 16:36:46 | warmi | NeoTron: clearly some sort of implementation issue there |
| 16:36:50 | Neo|Work | you know, I realize now I never did look in deja |
| 16:36:55 | warmi | have you tried to run the same stuff on a real server ? |
| 16:37:00 | Neo|Work | no |
| 16:37:08 | Neo|Work | and mind you it's only when the page is reloaded |
| 16:37:17 | Neo|Work | it runs fine otherwise |
| 16:38:12 | warmi | well, Neor Jdeveloper is based on JBuilder ... |
| 16:38:17 | tux_mike | anyone know of a single disc distro, that's small? |
| 16:38:18 | warmi | but it is supported by Orcale |
| 16:38:20 | warmi | Oracle |
| 16:38:31 | warmi | so you might want to ask them if everything else fails |
| 16:38:38 | mark | gah, I read an article somewhere about setting up little LCD displays in linux for showing CPU usage etc, and cant find it :( |
| 16:39:29 | Neo|Work | 18 212512 93548 |
| 16:39:29 | Neo|Work | 31 844656 36388 |
| 16:39:40 | Neo|Work | first one is the webserver, second one is JDeveloper |
| 16:39:49 | Neo|Work | using a total of 1 GB of memory in 48 threads |
| 16:39:53 | Neo|Work | makes you wonder a bit |
| 16:41:02 | warmi | http://groups.google.com/groups?q=Jdeveloper+out+of+memory&start=10&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=36DFC50B.EC3795CD%40computer.org&rnum=11 |
| 16:41:30 | warmi | maybe that is a wrong message |
| 16:41:44 | warmi | anyway ... why don't you just increase the memory |
| 16:41:56 | TraGETTY | is there a way to pipe in this? |
| 16:41:57 | warmi | dig into their docs and see how you can do it from the command line |
| 16:42:19 | TraGETTY | ls | less for instance? |
| 16:42:40 | Neo|Work | warmi: I don't think it is, but... |
| 16:42:48 | Neo|Work | total used free shared buffers cached |
| 16:42:48 | Neo|Work | Mem: 516436 509744 6692 0 189796 63732 |
| 16:42:48 | Neo|Work | -/+ buffers/cache: 256216 260220 |
| 16:42:48 | Neo|Work | Swap: 7606616 625728 6980888 |
| 16:42:54 | Neo|Work | I have plenty of swap available. :P |
| 16:44:27 | warmi | sorry ... can't help you - must be something Jdeveloper specific .. I have no clue what do they use as their internal servlet engine |
| 16:44:47 | warmi | perhaps some minimal java based httpd + servlet engine |
| 16:44:55 | warmi | they way Sun original stuff worked |
| 16:45:26 | warmi | but .. overall, it is a good think you are working with JAva |
| 16:45:32 | warmi | pico thingy was so .. |
| 16:45:41 | warmi | let's just say it has no future |
| 16:45:42 | warmi | heh |
| 16:45:51 | warmi | good thing even |
| 16:46:33 | VerxHome | anyone here have a 5000 to compare to a 5500? How much more restrictive is the 5000? |
| 16:46:40 | | sl-5000d is the developer version of the Linux based Zaurus. It has 32 MB RAM and 16 MB ROM. |
| 16:46:40 | VerxHome | ibot, sl-5000d |
| 16:46:44 | | sl-5500 is the first Linux based retail version of the Zaurus. It has 64 MB RAM and 16 MB ROM. |
| 16:46:44 | VerxHome | ibot, sl-5500 |
| 16:47:00 | VerxHome | seems like 64MB of RAM would be extremely helpful |
| 16:47:10 | warmi | VerxHome: doh .. |
| 16:47:17 | VerxHome | eh? |
| 16:47:23 | warmi | yeah ... definately it would be helpfull to have 64 MB |
| 16:47:30 | warmi | especially for the developers |
| 16:47:40 | Neo|Work | warmi: piko? Pike you mean? ;-) And I'm aware that it's not a "safe bet" when it comes to a skill to have |
| 16:47:49 | warmi | Pike yeah ... :-) |
| 16:47:51 | Neo|Work | but it's not dead by all means - quite the opposite now |
| 16:47:52 | VerxHome | I mean, I have 64MB on my 3850, and it is extremely roomy. Of course, 32MB of ROM is very helpful as well |
| 16:47:52 | VerxHome | :) |
| 16:48:08 | Neo|Work | but I haven't worked with pike since May when I left the position I'm now back in |
| 16:48:14 | warmi | NeoTron: well, but knowing Java is much more helpfull |
| 16:48:30 | warmi | especially in web,syndication etc .. business |
| 16:49:34 | Neo|Work | whoha, the boss of my ex-boss is no longer in the employee list |
| 16:49:39 | Neo|Work | ...wonder if he was laid off... |
| 16:49:40 | warmi | VerxHome: with 32 MB on 5000d you can't even run your app under gdb without creating aditional swap etc |
| 16:49:52 | VerxHome | man |
| 16:49:53 | Neo|Work | warmi: I worked with C++ in the last few months, theoretically |
| 16:49:54 | VerxHome | that sucks |
| 16:49:55 | VerxHome | :( |
| 16:50:00 | VerxHome | warmi: Do you have a 5500? |
| 16:50:06 | Neo|Work | Now in actuality I basically didn't do anything at all because they had nothing for me to do |
| 16:50:15 | Neo|Work | I'm not surprised that position was ripped away |
| 16:50:28 | Neo|Work | warmi: you can if you use SD Room or OZ |
| 16:50:32 | warmi | NeoTron: hehe .. I work in cycles |
| 16:50:39 | warmi | sometimes there is nothing but support for weeks |
| 16:50:55 | warmi | and then we get into development and I have hardly any time for irc etc |
| 16:51:07 | Neo|Work | do you sell apps (or do consulting stuff) or do you do internal development? |
| 16:51:30 | VerxHome | anyone ever heard of a way to upgrade the flash memory in the Z? |
| 16:51:37 | warmi | no, we use our apps internally ( for syndication of data etc .. ) TMS is in syndication business |
| 16:51:37 | VerxHome | I would like to put in 64MB of ROM or so |
| 16:51:56 | VerxHome | and 64MB of RAM at minimum |
| 16:52:11 | VerxHome | seems like if I could upgrade to 64MB ROM/128MB RAM I would never have an issue |
| 16:52:24 | warmi | VerxHome: dream on :-) |
| 16:52:36 | VerxHome | warmi: COME ON MAN! There has to be a way! |
| 16:52:40 | warmi | as far as I know there is no way to upgrade RAM on teh ZAurus |
| 16:52:51 | warmi | at least no one figured out how to do it |
| 16:52:59 | warmi | and many tried |
| 16:53:28 | VerxHome | http://www.geocrawler.com/mail/msg.php3?msg_id=7943155&list=18496 |
| 16:53:33 | VerxHome | that looks like an interesting thread |
| 16:54:36 | warmi | yeah . Flinders ROM |
| 16:54:42 | VerxHome | oh |
| 16:54:47 | VerxHome | you say it like it is "normal" |
| 16:54:47 | Cloudchaser | has anyone tried that? |
| 16:54:48 | warmi | VerxHome: you own IPAQ right ? |
| 16:54:52 | VerxHome | yeah |
| 16:55:02 | VerxHome | I have 32MB ROM + 64MB ram |
| 16:55:05 | warmi | so just load Qtopia on that and test your stuff there |
| 16:55:05 | kergoth` | VerxHome: all it does is gets rid of the ramdisk and by default puts apps on the SD |
| 16:55:06 | VerxHome | it is WAY WAY roomy |
| 16:55:08 | VerxHome | I have no issue with it |
| 16:55:15 | kergoth` | VerxHome: either flinders rom or OZ will do the job for you |
| 16:55:28 | VerxHome | ok |
| 16:55:35 | VerxHome | so perhaps the 5000D won't be quite so evil |
| 16:55:42 | kergoth` | VerxHome: you'll probably want OZ, as its a lot like familiar, and uses opie. :-) |
| 16:55:46 | VerxHome | warmi: I am wanting to make my Z the thing I carry around with me |
| 16:55:58 | VerxHome | I would prefer to not have to carry both |
| 16:56:09 | warmi | VerxHome: yeah .. for running software 5000d is more than good enough |
| 16:56:14 | tux_mike | crapcrapcrap... i hate novel |
| 16:56:19 | warmi | there are rare apps that require 5500 |
| 16:56:27 | warmi | but for the most part evertyhing runs on 5000d |
| 16:56:29 | prpplague | tux_mike: me too |
| 16:56:30 | VerxHome | warmi: Such as? |
| 16:56:39 | warmi | VerxHome: Palm Emulator for one |
| 16:56:54 | prpplague | kergoth: get back to work |
| 16:57:06 | kergoth`lunch | bah |
| 16:57:12 | kergoth`lunch | food is good. |
| 16:57:29 | prpplague | kergoth`lunch: your sweet thang call again today? |
| 16:57:43 | warmi | VerxHome: what was George working on for the Sharp challenge ? |
| 16:58:05 | VerxHome | warmi: I asked him and he said not to ask |
| 16:58:09 | VerxHome | I have no clue |
| 16:58:14 | warmi | ah ok |
| 16:58:15 | warmi | hehe |
| 16:58:31 | prpplague | warmi: an app to calculate the number of licks to get to the center of a tootsie roll pop |
| 16:59:34 | warmi | prpplague: licks ? hehe |
| 16:59:42 | erikd | do be do |
| 16:59:51 | warmi | licks are for wussies |
| 17:00:11 | warmi | erikd: got some sleep ? |
| 17:00:11 | warmi | hehe |
| 17:00:15 | VerxHome | would it be possible to use flinders rom such that you had a 128MB SD card as /home, and the 32MB of RAM as swap? |
| 17:00:16 | erikd | yup |
| 17:00:20 | VerxHome | actually |
| 17:00:21 | erikd | about 5-6 hours :) |
| 17:00:25 | VerxHome | that is impossible I just realized |
| 17:00:31 | VerxHome | you have to have someplace to load apps |
| 17:00:32 | VerxHome | heh |
| 17:00:57 | warmi | yeah .. not to mention the kernel itself |
| 17:02:24 | Jerakeen | Using RAM as swap seems... odd. |
| 17:02:39 | VerxHome | true |
| 17:02:55 | VerxHome | but supposedly using part of an SD/MMC/CF as swap will wear it out VERY quickly |
| 17:03:00 | VerxHome | supposedly a matter of weeks |
| 17:03:15 | chouimat | VerxHome: get a microdrive :) |
| 17:03:21 | VerxHome | heh |
| 17:03:45 | VerxHome | well, I currently get around 4 - 10 hours of battery life out of my 3850 (with an MMC card in it) |
| 17:03:51 | VerxHome | from what I have read, the Z only gets an hour |
| 17:03:55 | prpplague | chouimat: ya but you can't use a microdrive and a 802.11 or nic at the same time |
| 17:03:55 | warmi | using RAM as swap allows for on-the-fly adjusting of available memory for the applications |
| 17:04:06 | VerxHome | so I figure if I got a microdrive and plugged it in the Z, I would get about 10 - 15 minutes of life |
| 17:04:22 | warmi | of course RAM meaning RAM based disk storage |
| 17:04:48 | roge99_laptop | is back (gone 01:12:42) |
| 17:05:21 | prpplague | VerxHome: i get about 45 minutes with my udrive |
| 17:05:45 | VerxHome | that is just unnacceptable |
| 17:05:51 | VerxHome | I might as well have a laptop at that point |
| 17:06:12 | prpplague | VerxHome: yep thats why i'm building a case with a larger battery |
| 17:06:13 | gonkulator | is away: I'm busy |
| 17:06:17 | gonkulator | is back (gone 00:00:03) |
| 17:06:28 | VerxHome | prpplague: Any pics? |
| 17:06:52 | prpplague | VerxHome: not yet, i'm still working on dis-assembling one of my z's |
| 17:07:05 | VerxHome | how many do you have? |
| 17:07:39 | prpplague | VerxHome: 3 |
| 17:07:44 | VerxHome | heh |
| 17:07:46 | VerxHome | lucky devil |
| 17:08:05 | prpplague | VerxHome: ya i got them on sale at "WorstBuy" |
| 17:08:26 | | darienm was last seen on #zaurus 1 hours, 15 minutes and 56 seconds ago, saying: mine's been on continuously for over 8 years. [Wed Aug 14 16:52:30 2002] |
| 17:08:26 | erikd | ibot seen darienm |
| 17:08:39 | darienm | ! |
| 17:08:44 | VerxHome | erikd: How is your app coming? |
| 17:08:47 | VerxHome | any pics? |
| 17:09:03 | darienm | it would be better if I finished up my UI files |
| 17:09:08 | erikd | ah, hey darien :) |
| 17:09:11 | erikd | yeah! |
| 17:09:13 | darienm | Yes, we have pics. Older ones. http://zaurus.kruss.com/dev/ |
| 17:09:22 | erikd | needs entry update .ui |
| 17:09:33 | darienm | needs a clone! |
| 17:09:41 | erikd | hmm |
| 17:09:43 | erikd | that'd be neat |
| 17:09:46 | VerxHome | hrm |
| 17:09:52 | VerxHome | snapshots prompts for a login |
| 17:09:58 | darienm | um... |
| 17:09:59 | darienm | :) |
| 17:10:01 | darienm | oops |
| 17:10:02 | erikd | ui sketchs |
| 17:10:03 | VerxHome | oh |
| 17:10:05 | erikd | sketches |
| 17:10:06 | darienm | yeah - lemme fix that |
| 17:10:06 | VerxHome | under sketches |
| 17:10:08 | VerxHome | got it, thanks |
| 17:10:42 | VerxHome | hrm |
| 17:10:48 | VerxHome | categories is the first tab to use |
| 17:10:51 | VerxHome | but it is the second tab |
| 17:10:55 | VerxHome | scratches his head |
| 17:11:03 | prpplague | darienm: i need a clone as well, but what i want to know is can that genetically engineer my clone to "give a rat's ass about work"? |
| 17:11:06 | erikd | because normally you'll be using entry |
| 17:11:13 | VerxHome | right |
| 17:11:14 | erikd | that way you don't need to click to that |
| 17:11:15 | darienm | categories is needed to 'set up' the program, but entries will be the most commonly used. |
| 17:11:28 | VerxHome | hrm |
| 17:11:48 | VerxHome | oh cool |
| 17:11:57 | VerxHome | you have a tab widget inside a tab widget |
| 17:11:57 | VerxHome | :) |
| 17:12:06 | darienm | yeah, I suppose we do. |
| 17:12:24 | darienm | VerxHome: How did you get your tab widget to make full horizontal use of the available space? |
| 17:12:41 | darienm | VerxHome: It seems to go edge-to-edge while ours has some margin, even though the margin is set at 0. |
| 17:12:42 | warmi | yeah .. perhaps moving the inside tab widget to show tabs at the bottom would be even better |
| 17:12:48 | VerxHome | darienm: Proper use of layouts I suppose |
| 17:12:56 | warmi | less confusing ( or perhaps make it a user option) |
| 17:12:58 | darienm | VerxHome: we're using layouts. |
| 17:13:06 | Tenchi | it is a HOT mofo out there today |
| 17:13:21 | Tenchi | wonders if thinkgeek sells geek themed sombraros |
| 17:13:25 | prpplague | Tenchi: ok, how hot is it? |
| 17:13:36 | Tenchi | i dunno, over 100 |
| 17:13:38 | VerxHome | darienm: Well, the other thing is, I have more tabs than are visible |
| 17:13:41 | VerxHome | perhaps that effects it. . . |
| 17:14:03 | erikd | http://www.wbmi.com <-- anyone see a home office phone number on there? |
| 17:14:04 | darienm | Warmi's NFDB app also seems to go edge-to-edge |
| 17:14:29 | erikd | needs to get a job with a steady paycheck by sept 1st or he'll be kicked out of the house |
| 17:14:35 | erikd | and i'll be forced to move in with darien |
| 17:14:41 | erikd | we all know he doesn't want that |
| 17:14:42 | erikd | ;) |
| 17:14:49 | VerxHome | FAX: 262-335-7010 |
| 17:14:57 | darienm | I dunno... we could play counter-strike all day |
| 17:14:58 | erikd | not fax |
| 17:15:04 | erikd | hmmm |
| 17:15:09 | erikd | that wouldn't be too bad |
| 17:15:09 | warmi | darienm: yeah .. makes sense , you don't want to waste widget real-estate :-) |
| 17:15:12 | warmi | not on PDA device |
| 17:15:25 | VerxHome | http://www.westbendmutual.com/top_al.htm |
| 17:15:28 | VerxHome | there ya go erikd |
| 17:15:40 | VerxHome | click on your state and you will get to a phone number |
| 17:16:00 | erikd | that's not for the home office, though |
| 17:16:08 | erikd | that's just the agencies |
| 17:16:09 | VerxHome | well dude |
| 17:16:16 | VerxHome | call one of their numbers |
| 17:16:20 | VerxHome | and ask for their home office number |
| 17:16:21 | VerxHome | :) |
| 17:16:26 | erikd | is stupid |
| 17:18:04 | TraGETTY | how do you use an .ipk file? |
| 17:18:42 | warmi | StatGrapher looks like a pretty complicated app |
| 17:18:55 | warmi | especially with the graphs etc |
| 17:19:15 | erikd | and it's a ton of fun to program :) |
| 17:19:56 | warmi | which one of you gets to keep the ZAurus ? |
| 17:19:57 | warmi | hehe |
| 17:20:24 | chouimat | erikd: try the nessus client ;) |
| 17:20:26 | warmi | oh erikd |
| 17:20:36 | erikd | gets the zaurus |
| 17:20:40 | erikd | darien has one |
| 17:20:40 | erikd | :) |
| 17:22:02 | fusion94 | is away: LWCE |
| 17:23:09 | erikd | chouimat: what's this nessus thing for? |
| 17:23:28 | erikd | oh, wait |
| 17:23:32 | erikd | found screenshots |
| 17:23:43 | [DrEvil] | nessus is cool |
| 17:23:46 | darienm | erikd: the edit entry .ui is done. |
| 17:23:53 | erikd | warmi: 01:21PM <warmi> oh erikd |
| 17:23:54 | erikd | eh? |
| 17:23:57 | erikd | darien: cool |
| 17:24:02 | erikd | i'll finish that now :) |
| 17:24:37 | warmi | erikd: I read on http://zaurus.kruss.com/ that you were the one getting the Zaurus |
| 17:24:53 | kergoth`lunch | roge99: ping |
| 17:24:53 | erikd | ah, yeah |
| 17:25:13 | mark | is away: food |
| 17:25:17 | darienm | already has two Z's |
| 17:25:37 | erikd | two? |
| 17:26:01 | darienm | Mine and my fathers, who doesn't need his for another month. |
| 17:26:20 | darienm | I put OZ on his, and I'm quickly falling in love with it over the Sharp ROM. |
| 17:26:49 | erikd | ah |
| 17:27:01 | erikd | no compatibility problems or anything? |
| 17:27:35 | prpplague | kergoth`: having fun today? |
| 17:27:49 | kergoth` | worst case if he does run into any compatibility problems, he can always pester me until i fix them. </plug> |
| 17:28:03 | erikd | hehe |
| 17:28:10 | darienm | erikd: none thus far, but still exploring. |
| 17:28:13 | kergoth` | prpplague: actually, today isnt bad.. been pretty slow, and no really horrible customers are asking for me by name, which is a bonus. |
| 17:28:21 | erikd | and then i could add stuff to it, too! |
| 17:28:22 | warmi | kergoth`: for one OpenZaurus seems to be using different shell than Sharp ROM |
| 17:28:26 | | OK, prpplague. |
| 17:28:26 | prpplague | ibot: compatibility problems are pester kergoth |
| 17:28:45 | kergoth` | warmi: and? |
| 17:29:14 | prpplague | kergoth`: i so warn out from the supports call yesterday, i fell asleep on the couch watching cartoons with my son |
| 17:29:45 | warmi | kergoth`: that's it :-) it screws my NFDB bash specific script :-) |
| 17:29:46 | warmi | hehe |
| 17:30:21 | XavierXeon | how about a bash ipk ? |
| 17:30:42 | kergoth` | warmi: dont use bash specific functions |
| 17:30:45 | kergoth` | XavierXeon: there is one |
| 17:31:19 | warmi | kergoth`: btw .. why did you guys decide against using bash ? |
| 17:33:27 | VerxHome | warmi: Very likely - size |
| 17:33:41 | kergoth` | bash is like 600k man |
| 17:33:42 | VerxHome | oh, btw kergoth - any thoughts to making an OZ ROM with busybox? |
| 17:34:18 | prpplague | VerxHome: ahh, isn't OZ using bb? |
| 17:34:30 | XavierXeon | kergoth': is the bash ipk in the oz feed ? |
| 17:35:12 | warmi | kergoth`: I know about not using bash specific stuff .. heh .. but with my shell coding skills, I was so happy to get ANYTHING working that i never worried about that |
| 17:35:39 | VerxHome | could be |
| 17:35:42 | VerxHome | I don't have a Z |
| 17:35:47 | VerxHome | so I don't know much about OZ |
| 17:36:00 | kergoth` | VerxHome: think of OZ as being like the familiar + busybox + opie image |
| 17:36:11 | kergoth` | warmi: heh |
| 17:36:15 | prpplague | or x or picogui |
| 17:36:19 | kergoth` | XavierXeon: SHOULD be.. if it isnt, let me knoww, cause its in the buildsystem |
| 17:36:22 | kergoth` | prpplague: indeed :-) |
| 17:36:39 | VerxHome | kergoth: I would be interested to know how large OZ is with nothing but Opie loaded (ie, not a single opie app other than shutdown and calibrate |
| 17:37:14 | kergoth` | VerxHome: I dont know offhand. I have a initrd here without opie at all... and one with the base opie apps that are in OZ out of hte box |
| 17:37:25 | rikkus | XavierXeon: btw, nice website, found loads of useful stuff on it |
| 17:37:38 | oGMo | the default shell isn't so bad, what's bad is the terminal emu ;) |
| 17:37:38 | VerxHome | how big is the initrd? |
| 17:37:40 | oGMo | (not the opie one) |
| 17:37:42 | VerxHome | (the one without opie) |
| 17:37:56 | XavierXeon | rikkus: thx |
| 17:39:20 | rikkus | XavierXeon: your tips helped me get gcc running. I enhanced it a bit since then by making it use distcc to do most of the actual compiling on my desktop box. |
| 17:40:45 | XavierXeon | as i stated on my homepage i just used zgcc and put it in a cramfs |
| 17:41:19 | rikkus | will make an .ipk of distcc... |
| 17:42:07 | XavierXeon | ok pizza time. will be back tomorrow. |
| 17:42:40 | VerxHome | oh XX |
| 17:42:45 | VerxHome | you are the one that wrote CppView |
| 17:42:47 | VerxHome | cool |
| 17:43:38 | VerxHome | XX: How is Kate for dev work? |
| 17:43:54 | Tenchi | Kate is a sexy byatch |
| 17:43:59 | rikkus | sloooow |
| 17:44:04 | VerxHome | heh |
| 17:44:17 | Tenchi | :) |
| 17:45:14 | George- | likes Kate |
| 17:45:22 | VerxHome | XavierXeon quote: "I am the master of desaster" hehehehe |
| 17:45:38 | rikkus | ;) |
| 17:58:05 | Cloudchaser | = |
| 18:06:20 | rikkus | http://rikkus.info/zaurus.html#distcc <- my solution to cross-compiling headache |
| 18:10:08 | George- | rikkus: what does it do? |
| 18:10:17 | VerxHome | George-: Read it man |
| 18:10:18 | VerxHome | :) |
| 18:10:23 | VerxHome | it explains it quite well |
| 18:10:23 | VerxHome | :) |
| 18:10:28 | George- | slaps VerxHome |
| 18:10:34 | VerxHome | hahahaha |
| 18:10:40 | rikkus | George-: see VerxHome's answer |
| 18:11:06 | VerxHome | that is awesome rikkus |
| 18:11:06 | George- | slaps rikkus |
| 18:11:13 | rikkus | George-: you install it, you follow my instructions, then when you compile on the Z, all the actual source->object stuff is done on your main box(es) |
| 18:11:32 | VerxHome | sets up 30 linux boxen for cross compiling |
| 18:11:34 | VerxHome | ducks |
| 18:11:38 | rikkus | George-: it compiles distcc itself in 1/4 of the time (using my dual athlon) and there's no hassle setting up cross-compiling |
| 18:11:40 | | His other computer is a 4000 node beowulf cluster. |
| 18:11:40 | erikd | ibot erikd? |
| 18:11:44 | erikd | ^^ |
| 18:11:47 | erikd | ;) |
| 18:11:50 | VerxHome | hehehe |
| 18:11:52 | VerxHome | mmhmm |
| 18:11:52 | George- | rikkus: oh |
| 18:12:02 | rikkus | VerxHome: heh, you will find the overhead means that more than one external box is probably wasted |
| 18:12:03 | George- | erikd: vain... |
| 18:12:04 | VerxHome | wants a photo of the cluster |
| 18:12:17 | VerxHome | rikkus: I have a dual cpu cross compile box |
| 18:12:20 | erikd | george: dream... |
| 18:12:20 | VerxHome | it works great for me |
| 18:12:21 | George- | erikd: you don't have a 4000 node beowulf cluster =P |
| 18:12:22 | erikd | =) |
| 18:12:27 | erikd | sure i do! |
| 18:12:30 | erikd | it's in my basement |
| 18:12:34 | George- | I want one of dem dual 1.25GHz G4 Apple PowerMacs |
| 18:12:36 | erikd | on my quad oc48's |
| 18:12:46 | VerxHome | wouldn't want any mac |
| 18:12:52 | George- | with ATI Radeon 9000 Pro, and DDR ram, and 2MB L3 cache on each proccy, and and and.... |
| 18:12:54 | George- | faints |
| 18:13:11 | VerxHome | George-: You -*DO*- realize don't you that the Mac is designed by people that consider their users too STUPID to be able to use more than one mouse button, right? |
| 18:13:19 | rikkus | VerxHome: my dual athlon is mostly idle when distcc is sending stuff to it from the Z. The overhead is just too much. But I am using the USB network, so perhaps it's better over wifi or something. |
| 18:13:19 | George- | VerxHome: bleh |
| 18:13:24 | George- | VerxHome: fuck you :) |
| 18:13:31 | George- | VerxHome: I like my mac tqvm |
| 18:13:36 | VerxHome | fine |
| 18:13:42 | rikkus | all mac users I know hate the fact they only have 1 mouse button |
| 18:13:42 | VerxHome | just realize what Apple thinks of you |
| 18:13:48 | VerxHome | and how smart they consider you |
| 18:13:56 | George- | rikkus: I use an external mouse =P |
| 18:13:59 | VerxHome | doesn't wanna buy from a company like that |
| 18:14:00 | George- | rikkus: simple as that :) |
| 18:14:05 | VerxHome | the other thing is |
| 18:14:31 | VerxHome | I guess Apple figured out that the very same people too stupid to use more than one mouse button are too stupid to realize they are paying 3 to 4 times as much money for their computers |
| 18:14:31 | VerxHome | ducks |
| 18:14:32 | VerxHome | :) |
| 18:14:41 | George- | dude, you're such a mac basher |
| 18:14:41 | George- | what's wrong with running LInux on a mac? |
| 18:14:42 | George- | *g* |
| 18:15:01 | mdz | depends on the Mac |
| 18:15:07 | George- | mdz: powerbook g4 =P |
| 18:15:10 | mdz | I'm using an iMac right now, and it's intolerably slow |
| 18:15:12 | VerxHome | George-: The simple fact that you could run Linux on 3 equivalently fast PC's in the money you wasted in buying the Mac, that's what |
| 18:15:14 | erikd | tibook |
| 18:15:36 | erikd | verx: but it's not as pretty! |
| 18:15:45 | VerxHome | erikd: Is pretty worth having 1/4 the computer for the money? |
| 18:15:47 | VerxHome | not to me |
| 18:15:52 | VerxHome | my boxes sit in closets |
| 18:15:55 | VerxHome | no one sees them anyway |
| 18:16:02 | VerxHome | I could care less how they look |
| 18:16:10 | George- | VerxHome: pah |
| 18:16:24 | George- | VerxHome: I don't wanna even be on the same damn architecture as Winbl0ze |
| 18:16:35 | VerxHome | besides, my desk has 2 18" flat panels, a wireless keyboard and a wireless mouse |
| 18:16:40 | VerxHome | it is very nice looking as it is |
| 18:16:41 | VerxHome | :) |
| 18:16:43 | erikd | george: get an alpha :) |
| 18:16:54 | VerxHome | has 2 DEC alphas |
| 18:17:02 | VerxHome | they run linux quite nicely |
| 18:18:47 | mark | is back (gone 00:53:37) |
| 18:18:50 | [George] | blah, alpha is owned by Intel |
| 18:19:00 | VerxHome | looks at George |
| 18:19:07 | VerxHome | DEC was purchased by Compaq |
| 18:19:14 | VerxHome | Compaq was purchased by HP |
| 18:19:15 | [George] | wallops VerxHome's face in |
| 18:19:32 | tux_mike | end users... can't live with them, can't get paid without them :) |
| 18:19:33 | [George] | VerxHome: According to Speedy2, compaq only acquired the Linux research stuff on ARM |
| 18:19:33 | VerxHome | didn't notice being walloped |
| 18:19:38 | [George] | VerxHome: Intel got the rest |
| 18:19:49 | rikkus | [George]: tip: stop being so anal and just get on with your life |
| 18:20:10 | mark | rikkus: thats a quote for my website I think :) |
| 18:20:11 | VerxHome | well, the guys I know at HP were telling me it was fun to internally talk about how the HP rival - the Alpha, was now in house |
| 18:20:31 | [George] | rikkus: hehe |
| 18:20:34 | VerxHome | rikkus: Well said my friend |
| 18:20:35 | VerxHome | :) |
| 18:20:43 | [George] | rikkus: what life? |
| 18:21:13 | rikkus | [George]: I bet you enjoy a good emacs vs. vi shouting match too, eh ? ;) |
| 18:21:24 | [George] | rikkus: yah |
| 18:21:25 | tux_mike | ok... i'm gonna break this laptop inot a million peices |
| 18:21:35 | [George] | tux_mike: nah, just give it to me |
| 18:21:47 | VerxHome | how fast/slow is it to dynamically add a tab to a tabwidget at runtime onboard the Z? |
| 18:21:48 | [George] | VI OWNZZZZZ EMACS SUX0RS!!!! |
| 18:21:52 | VerxHome | anyone have experience with that? |
| 18:22:03 | [George] | hides |
| 18:22:22 | tux_mike | george: it's a gateway and won't take an os other than 98 |
| 18:22:30 | George- | why not? |
| 18:22:34 | VerxHome | tux_mike: It won't use linux? |
| 18:22:36 | VerxHome | boggles |
| 18:22:57 | George- | gets the sledgehammer out, and helps tux_mike smash it |
| 18:23:22 | VerxHome | actually, scratch that |
| 18:23:27 | VerxHome | needs to focus on speed |
| 18:23:54 | George- | beats VerxHome senseless with a cumberland sausage |
| 18:25:02 | tux_mike | verx: it's a work pc, they use ms here |
| 18:25:11 | VerxHome | ahhh |
| 18:25:15 | VerxHome | I have the same issue at Boeing |
| 18:25:18 | VerxHome | we use Dells tho |
| 18:25:39 | George- | you work for Boeing? |
| 18:25:43 | VerxHome | yup |
| 18:25:55 | mdz | Dude, you're gettin' an overpriced slow PC |
| 18:26:13 | mdz | they use Dell here as well. ick. |
| 18:26:23 | rikkus | Dell machines are ok |
| 18:26:28 | VerxHome | trust me, I know |
| 18:26:40 | George- | I like my Apple |
| 18:26:41 | VerxHome | they pay way too much for them, BUT, we get instantaneous hardware swapout |
| 18:26:47 | tux_mike | i prefer Toshiba for laptops, compaq for prebuilts and servers, and buiding my own machines for desktops |
| 18:26:48 | George- | goes to start a company called Banana |
| 18:26:51 | VerxHome | yeah, with apple, you pay 4 times as much |
| 18:26:52 | VerxHome | :) |
| 18:27:01 | rikkus | yes, apple are overpriced |
| 18:27:07 | rikkus | they wouldn't be if you got decent support |
| 18:27:12 | VerxHome | they make beautiful machines tho |
| 18:27:19 | VerxHome | apple doesn't know what support means |
| 18:27:20 | VerxHome | :) |
| 18:27:22 | Tenchi | dude yer gettin a dell |
| 18:27:26 | George- | rikkus: you do get decent support. |
| 18:27:27 | Tenchi | whether you like it or not |
| 18:27:39 | VerxHome | hrm |
| 18:27:45 | VerxHome | what are frames used for in Qt? |
| 18:27:49 | VerxHome | I mean, typically |
| 18:28:11 | rikkus | George-: if you machine stops working, are they out on the same day with a drop-in replacement for no charge until yours is fixed ? |
| 18:28:23 | George- | er. |
| 18:28:25 | Neo|Work | VerxHome: grouping widgets |
| 18:28:25 | George- | no |
| 18:28:27 | rikkus | VerxHome: group boxes, mainly |
| 18:28:38 | VerxHome | well |
| 18:28:47 | VerxHome | in Qt Designer, they seem to seperate them |
| 18:28:57 | VerxHome | group box |
| 18:28:58 | VerxHome | button group |
| 18:28:59 | VerxHome | frame |
| 18:29:00 | Neo|Work | right |
| 18:29:02 | VerxHome | they are 3 things |
| 18:29:08 | Neo|Work | frame is probably the base class |
| 18:29:12 | VerxHome | k |
| 18:29:20 | Neo|Work | if not, frame can be uses by itself to put a border around 1 widget |
| 18:29:26 | Neo|Work | or a bunch of widgets etc |
| 18:29:35 | VerxHome | got it |
| 18:29:36 | Neo|Work | it is what it sounds like. :) |
| 18:29:43 | VerxHome | well, I was hoping so |
| 18:29:48 | VerxHome | that is what frames are in tk |
| 18:29:57 | rikkus | Inherited by QGrid, QGroupBox, QHBox, QLCDNumber, QLabel, QMenuBar, QPopupMenu, QProgressBar, QScrollView, QSpinBox, QSplitter, QTableView and QWidgetStack. |
| 18:29:59 | kergoth` | re |
| 18:30:06 | rikkus | note that QLabel doesn't normally show its frame |
| 18:30:22 | rikkus | neither do a few of the others |
| 18:30:25 | VerxHome | realizes |
| 18:30:29 | VerxHome | that for this new app |
| 18:30:38 | VerxHome | he likely won't use Qt Designer for anything but dialogs |
| 18:30:45 | codemnky | yo |
| 18:30:56 | codemnky | i would like you to pay close attention |
| 18:31:08 | Neo|Work | pays. |
| 18:31:08 | VerxHome | obvserves the codemnky |
| 18:31:09 | Neo|Work | heh |
| 18:31:10 | rikkus | VerxHome: Qt designer is indeed best used only for dialogs, usually config dialogs only |
| 18:31:15 | codemnky | in how to build a dog fort |
| 18:31:24 | VerxHome | rikkus: That is the conclusion I am coming to |
| 18:31:40 | codemnky | Fort Haley Dog! (flag goes up) |
| 18:31:50 | codemnky | http://www.oddabon.com/fort.jpg |
| 18:32:26 | codemnky | http://www.oddabon.com/fort.jpg |
| 18:32:59 | Neo|Work | fluffy fort |
| 18:33:21 | rikkus | bet that doesn't handle a couple of large rocks from a trebuchet |
| 18:33:39 | codemnky | heh |
| 18:34:19 | VerxHome | codemnky: That is cute |
| 18:34:19 | VerxHome | is it a beagle? |
| 18:34:26 | kergoth` | goddamn |
| 18:34:28 | kergoth` | today is so slow |
| 18:34:30 | kergoth` | there's nothing to do |
| 18:34:37 | VerxHome | KERGOTH! |
| 18:34:42 | VerxHome | BE QUIET DUDE! |
| 18:34:43 | Neo|Work | kergoth: play then. :) |
| 18:34:46 | VerxHome | THAT LADY WILL HEAR YOU! |
| 18:34:47 | VerxHome | :) |
| 18:35:19 | | ACTION shoots kergoth in the head. |
| 18:35:19 | George- | ibot shoot kergoth |
| 18:35:33 | | VerxHome: i'm not following you... |
| 18:35:33 | VerxHome | ibot shoot george- in the knee |
| 18:35:42 | VerxHome | I didn't think it would let me do that |
| 18:35:42 | VerxHome | :) |
| 18:35:45 | George- | VerxHome: you suck! :) |
| 18:36:18 | | OK, kergoth`. |
| 18:36:18 | kergoth` | ibot: shoot george again is <action> shoots out george's kneecaps. |
| 18:36:23 | | ACTION shoots out george's kneecaps. |
| 18:36:23 | kergoth` | ibot shoot george again |
| 18:36:54 | rikkus | # ./flite16k QtOnTheZ.txt |
| 18:36:55 | rikkus | oss_audio: failed to open audio device /dev/dsp |
| 18:36:56 | rikkus | hmm :/ |
| 18:37:04 | kergoth` | rikkus: fun |
| 18:37:09 | rikkus | wonders what's using /dev/dsp |
| 18:37:16 | kergoth` | rikkus: fuser is your friend. |
| 18:37:26 | rikkus | ooh, thought it didn't have it |
| 18:37:32 | kergoth` | it should. |
| 18:37:41 | rikkus | doh, esd :) |
| 18:37:50 | | ACTION rapes kergoth then dumps him in an isolation chamber, only with a phone linked up to the stupidest person ever to come in contact with a computer, then unleashes kergoth's tech support lady friend on him |
| 18:37:50 | George- | ibot kill kergoth |
| 18:37:52 | kergoth` | thatll do it |
| 18:37:59 | mark | rikkus: hows ur tkcPort going? |
| 18:38:03 | | OK, VerxHome. |
| 18:38:03 | VerxHome | ibot: shoot george- is <action> shoots George's left kneecap, then his right kneecap, then in his belly |
| 18:38:09 | | ACTION shoots George's left kneecap, then his right kneecap, then in his belly |
| 18:38:09 | VerxHome | ibot shoot george- |
| 18:38:11 | rikkus | mark: which one ? |
| 18:38:14 | | George-: I forgot shoot george- |
| 18:38:14 | George- | ibot forget shoot george- |
| 18:38:17 | | ACTION rapes kergoth then dumps him in an isolation chamber, only with a phone linked up to the stupidest person ever to come in contact with a computer, then unleashes kergoth's tech support lady friend on him |
| 18:38:17 | George- | ibot kill kergoth |
| 18:38:19 | | OK, VerxHome. |
| 18:38:19 | VerxHome | ibot: shoot george- is <action> shoots George's left kneecap, then his right kneecap, then in his belly |
| 18:38:20 | | ACTION shoots George's left kneecap, then his right kneecap, then in his belly |
| 18:38:20 | VerxHome | ibot shoot george- |
| 18:38:22 | | George-: I forgot shoot george- |
| 18:38:22 | George- | ibot forget shoot george- |
| 18:38:24 | | ACTION rapes kergoth then dumps him in an isolation chamber, only with a phone linked up to the stupidest person ever to come in contact with a computer, then unleashes kergoth's tech support lady friend on him |
| 18:38:24 | George- | ibot kill kergoth |
| 18:38:26 | mark | rikkus: the one where you didn't tell us what it was |
| 18:38:35 | rikkus | mark: oh.... |
| 18:38:35 | Tenchi | why are infobots always the most popular people in irc channels ? |
| 18:38:44 | George- | Tenchi: no, any bots are |
| 18:38:56 | rikkus | mark: http://rikkus.info/tkcmail.html |
| 18:39:02 | | ACTION shoots out george's kneecaps. |
| 18:39:02 | kergoth` | ibot shoot george again |
| 18:39:03 | Wintre | Cause they talk to everybody |
| 18:39:09 | codemnky | http://www.oddabon.com/pigs.jpg |
| 18:39:13 | | no! he'll ... hurt me! |
| 18:39:13 | George- | ibot kill kergoth |
| 18:39:20 | erikd | haha |
| 18:39:24 | kergoth` | hehe |
| 18:39:24 | | ACTION shoots erikd in the head. |
| 18:39:24 | erikd | ibot shoot me |
| 18:39:29 | erikd | hmm |
| 18:39:33 | | erikd: excuse me? |
| 18:39:33 | erikd | ibot shoot kergoth` |
| 18:39:37 | | ACTION shoots kergoth in the head. |
| 18:39:37 | erikd | ibot shoot kergoth |
| 18:39:39 | George- | rikkus: are you _allowed_ to release that sorta info on tkcMail? |
| 18:39:45 | Tenchi | i sxweat tkc should just make their own zaurus rom |
| 18:39:50 | Tenchi | swear |
| 18:39:56 | rikkus | George-: yes |
| 18:40:01 | Tenchi | they've got better replacements for everything |
| 18:40:20 | George- | rikkus: why do we need yet another email client? |
| 18:40:34 | | bizaarre: sorry... |
| 18:40:34 | bizaarre | ibot kill everybody |
| 18:40:34 | rikkus | George-: because mine does stuff the built-in shit doesn't do |
| 18:40:35 | kergoth` | George-: um, there arent many mail clients for the Z, and they all suck atm |
| 18:40:52 | | ACTION rampages, killing everyone in sight! |
| 18:40:52 | kergoth` | ibot: go postal |
| 18:40:52 | mark | rikkus: will it do SMTP auth? |
| 18:40:58 | rikkus | mark: already does |
| 18:41:00 | George- | rikkus: hah, ok |
| 18:41:03 | Tenchi | wow |
| 18:41:10 | mark | rikkus: excellent. |
| 18:41:11 | | no! he'll ... hurt me! |
| 18:41:11 | George- | ibot kill kergoth |
| 18:41:15 | George- | wh00t? |
| 18:41:18 | Tenchi | what about SMTP TLSSTART? :) |
| 18:41:20 | rikkus | mark: see the 'sending settings' screenshot |
| 18:41:41 | rikkus | Tenchi: no, not yet, I might do it if there is demand |
| 18:41:41 | Tenchi | SSL support for imap and smtp both would rule |
| 18:41:49 | | OK, VerxHome. |
| 18:41:49 | VerxHome | ibot: shoot george- is <action> shoots George's left kneecap, then his right kneecap, then in his belly |
| 18:41:50 | | ACTION shoots George's left kneecap, then his right kneecap, then in his belly |
| 18:41:50 | VerxHome | ibot shoot george- |
| 18:41:55 | George- | kills VerxHome |
| 18:42:00 | VerxHome | hehehe |
| 18:42:01 | VerxHome | :) |
| 18:42:02 | rikkus | Tenchi: there's already SSL support for POP, will be SSL for IMAP too, not sure about SMTP |
| 18:42:04 | | ACTION rampages, killing everyone in sight! |
| 18:42:04 | kergoth` | ibot: go postal |
| 18:42:06 | kergoth` | heh |
| 18:42:09 | VerxHome | was wondering when hat was gonna happen |
| 18:42:22 | kergoth` | ljp: ping |
| 18:42:28 | | compatibility problems are pester kergoth |
| 18:42:28 | prpplague | ibot: compatibility problems |
| 18:42:32 | kergoth` | hehe |
| 18:42:39 | George- | rikkus: that looks pretty cool |
| 18:42:43 | mark | rikkus: was there a tkcMail before then? |
| 18:42:44 | Tenchi | rikkus: i've heard STARTTLS implementations are hairy cuz of TLSSTART sort of being a hack |
| 18:42:49 | | ACTION shoots kergoth in the head. |
| 18:42:49 | George- | ibot shoot kergoth |
| 18:42:49 | | sco problems are pester prpplague |
| 18:42:49 | kergoth` | ibot: sco problems? |
| 18:42:54 | rikkus | mark: no |
| 18:42:58 | mark | rikkus: as in a desktp version? |
| 18:43:01 | rikkus | mark: no |
| 18:43:18 | mark | rikkus: okay. it looks very nice |
| 18:43:21 | rikkus | mark: but a lot of the code is taken from code I've been working on for years. |
| 18:43:44 | George- | rikkus: was a lot of it taken from KMail? :) |
| 18:43:47 | mark | rikkus: ah I see |
| 18:43:57 | rikkus | George-: no, zero. tkcMail is all my code and all closed source. |
| 18:44:00 | kergoth` | George-: couldnt due to licensing. |
| 18:44:10 | prpplague | kergoth`: argh, why the hell didn't we get to go to linuxworld? |
| 18:44:33 | kergoth` | prpplague: good question. I've got to go next year, damnit. |
| 18:44:34 | kergoth` | heh |
| 18:44:57 | VerxHome | man |
| 18:45:03 | VerxHome | looks some stuff up |
| 18:45:12 | kergoth` | heh |
| 18:45:16 | kergoth` | man, i love vim |
| 18:45:53 | mark | kergoth`: yeh, its nice |
| 18:46:13 | mark | kvim/e should be done within a couple of weeks |
| 18:46:20 | kergoth` | mark: yay |
| 18:46:26 | rikkus | mark: looking forward to it |
| 18:47:47 | VerxHome | anyone know where in opie cvs I can find tab manager? |
| 18:47:56 | | hmmm... feeds is listed at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds |
| 18:47:56 | numatrix | ibot feeds |
| 18:48:03 | | rumour has it feed is a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus or http://opie.net.wox.org for cvs Opie |
| 18:48:03 | numatrix | ibot feed |
| 18:48:19 | VerxHome | ahhh |
| 18:48:24 | mark | rikkus: its a bit big, i shall probably rip out stuff like you did |
| 18:48:24 | VerxHome | opie/noncore/settings/tabmanager |
| 18:48:26 | VerxHome | there we go |
| 18:49:44 | mark | ah i love my website designer :) |
| 18:50:07 | VerxHome | mark: URL? |
| 18:50:24 | mark | VerxHome: www.houseoffish.org/~wolfy |
| 18:50:45 | VerxHome | House Of Fish Designs is run by Mark Westcott. blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah |
| 18:50:50 | VerxHome | very, very nice |
| 18:50:53 | VerxHome | I see what you mean |
| 18:50:54 | VerxHome | :) |
| 18:51:14 | George- | mark: you look like a fish |
| 18:51:15 | Neo|Work | is away: mtg |
| 18:51:22 | VerxHome | Knights is about blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah |
| 18:51:25 | VerxHome | hehe |
| 18:51:30 | VerxHome | I see a trend here |
| 18:51:36 | codemnky | hey |
| 18:51:48 | VerxHome | this screenshot shows the basics of the blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah asfdolfo sdfijfsd. |
| 18:51:49 | VerxHome | heheh |
| 18:51:54 | mark | VerxHome: heh, yep :), now i've got to be non lazy enough to write the text |
| 18:51:59 | mark | George-: you are fat |
| 18:52:08 | George- | mark: I know ;) |
| 18:52:18 | | everyone is nothing but an off-color assload of puking anal warts. |
| 18:52:18 | numatrix | ibot: insult everyone |
| 18:52:23 | rikkus | Unknown host too.bar.com |
| 18:52:27 | VerxHome | HAHAHAHHAAHHA |
| 18:52:30 | VerxHome | this is my favourite part of the website |
| 18:52:33 | VerxHome | this is just awesome |
| 18:52:36 | George- | mark: i'd rather be fat than look like a fish :) |
| 18:52:38 | codemnky | blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah |
| 18:52:40 | codemnky | too |
| 18:52:40 | VerxHome | fdsaf osdjf osghpasjf ? |
| 18:52:41 | VerxHome | blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah b |
| 18:52:44 | codemnky | blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah |
| 18:52:46 | VerxHome | sfgfdgdf? |
| 18:52:46 | numatrix | ok, simmer down now boys |
| 18:52:47 | VerxHome | blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah b |
| 18:52:50 | codemnky | blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah |
| 18:52:52 | VerxHome | all your questions answered |
| 18:52:54 | VerxHome | rofl |
| 18:52:54 | br33zy | wtf |
| 18:52:56 | br33zy | wtf |
| 18:52:58 | codemnky | opp |
| 18:52:58 | mark | VerxHome: ;-) |
| 18:52:58 | George- | LOL |
| 18:52:58 | codemnky | s |
| 18:53:12 | rikkus | mark: is knights actually available somewhere ? |
| 18:53:14 | erikd | blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah bla |
| 18:53:15 | erikd | sorry |
| 18:53:21 | erikd | just had to get in on the fun |
| 18:53:21 | mark | rikkus: yes, handango |
| 18:53:31 | VerxHome | mark: your url for kvim/e is not found |
| 18:53:37 | George- | rikkus: handango? |
| 18:53:39 | mark | VerxHome: i know, thats not done yet |
| 18:53:39 | VerxHome | is there anywhere I can see a screenshot? |
| 18:53:47 | mark | VerxHome: there is one on the kvim page |
| 18:54:10 | VerxHome | mark: It looks like someone accidentally filled in the "Contact" web page with actual information |
| 18:54:17 | VerxHome | have the webmaster fix that right away |
| 18:54:23 | mark | nah, its duff :) |
| 18:54:28 | VerxHome | heh |
| 18:54:38 | codemnky | heh |
| 18:54:39 | George- | I need to design a website properly someday... |
| 18:54:49 | mark | VerxHome: so you like the design? |
| 18:54:54 | codemnky | keep practicing |
| 18:55:00 | VerxHome | mark: It looks nice, but it appears all your content is static |
| 18:55:06 | VerxHome | do you really wanna maintain it that way? |
| 18:55:09 | George- | this screenshot shows the basics of the blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah asfdolfo sdfijfsd. |
| 18:55:19 | codemnky | what screen shot |
| 18:55:25 | VerxHome | bbiaf |
| 18:55:30 | George- | How do you install Knights? |
| 18:55:30 | George- | Read the installation guide provided with the online help or email for support. blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. |
| 18:55:59 | codemnky | did you read and understand the blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah |
| 18:56:06 | mark | VerxHome: i can't be bothered to move it to php |
| 18:56:16 | codemnky | me neither |
| 18:56:21 | codemnky | perl works just fine |
| 18:56:30 | tux_mike | ok, can you guys knock it off now |
| 18:56:32 | George- | Knights is available as a $10 download from http://too.bar.com/too |
| 18:56:59 | codemnky | ok i have to go re fuel anyways |
| 18:57:01 | codemnky | bye |
| 18:59:08 | mark | VerxHome: i dont care really about that much of it being static. what do I gain from having it dynamic? |
| 19:00:06 | rikkus | mark: just bought knights at handango |
| 19:00:54 | mark | rikkus: thanks. I hope you enjoy it |
| 19:01:09 | George- | rikkus: You are now a new being! :) |
| 19:01:12 | George- | lol |
| 19:01:15 | rikkus | ? |
| 19:01:23 | George- | n/m |
| 19:04:20 | Tenchi | is changing his name |
| 19:04:39 | Tenchi | is is hmmm, lets calc |
| 19:05:31 | Tenchi | is 309,500 $20 contributions away from his goal |
| 19:05:45 | Tenchi | please help me if you can |
| 19:05:58 | VerxHome | Tenchi: You are SO CLOSE man! |
| 19:06:02 | VerxHome | just hang on a little longer |
| 19:06:16 | George- | VerxHome: lol |
| 19:06:19 | George- | slaps VerxHome |
| 19:06:27 | Tenchi | how long has whats his face been begging for contributions ? |
| 19:06:32 | Tenchi | 5 years now ? |
| 19:06:37 | VerxHome | markush: If it is dynamic, your updates can be incredibly easy |
| 19:06:43 | George- | Tenchi: lilo? |
| 19:06:45 | VerxHome | I think closer to 30 |
| 19:06:47 | Tenchi | yeah lilo |
| 19:06:49 | Tenchi | rob levin |
| 19:07:06 | George- | the bearded chap? |
| 19:07:20 | Tenchi | i dunno if he still has a beard or not |
| 19:07:27 | George- | hehe |
| 19:08:13 | Tenchi | he started working with one of my friends at a colo facility or some sort |
| 19:08:37 | Tenchi | my friend says their average dude builds 30 servers per day |
| 19:08:47 | Tenchi | and he said that they hired rob cuz he's supposed to b a linux genius |
| 19:08:59 | Tenchi | yet they rarely see rob do more than 7 machines per day |
| 19:09:00 | George- | is he? |
| 19:09:13 | VerxHome | George-: Tenchi is getting to that |
| 19:09:14 | VerxHome | calm down |
| 19:09:15 | VerxHome | :) |
| 19:09:15 | erikd | i love programming! |
| 19:09:17 | George- | lol |
| 19:09:20 | erikd | it's so much fun |
| 19:09:28 | kergoth` | erikd: here here! |
| 19:09:43 | kergoth` | heh |
| 19:09:49 | kergoth` | is so bored he's ... documenting! |
| 19:09:52 | [DrEvil] | kergoth: I think the changes to include.mk had messed up that build |
| 19:09:54 | erikd | eww |
| 19:10:02 | erikd | can't document worth a hill of beans |
| 19:10:40 | | ACTION shoots kergoth in the head. |
| 19:10:40 | George- | ibot shoot kergoth |
| 19:10:58 | [DrEvil] | don't shoot kergoth until oz builds for me |
| 19:11:01 | kergoth` | [DrEvil]: thats not possible. but if you want, remove the MAKEFLAGS line in include.mk, it was added. thats all |
| 19:11:08 | kergoth` | erikd: well I'm documenting for my own reference, not anyone elses. so it doesnt have to be good :-) |
| 19:11:15 | erikd | ah |
| 19:11:18 | erikd | i can do that |
| 19:13:12 | George- | why is it that whenever I load on Debian, I always find myself going back to OpenZaurus? |
| 19:13:23 | [DrEvil] | because debian sucks |
| 19:13:32 | VerxHome | ?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!??!?! |
| 19:13:34 | George- | I'm being seduced by the dark side! |
| 19:13:36 | George- | Like vader did! |
| 19:13:38 | rikkus | George-: dunno. Is it related to the fact you talk too much ? ;) |
| 19:13:38 | George- | ARGH! |
| 19:13:38 | rikkus | & |
| 19:13:39 | VerxHome | [DrEvil]: BLASPHEMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 19:13:46 | [DrEvil] | it does suck |
| 19:13:47 | George- | rikkus: bleh |
| 19:13:51 | [DrEvil] | I tried it once |
| 19:13:53 | [DrEvil] | and that was it |
| 19:13:54 | [DrEvil] | no more |
| 19:13:58 | George- | killall -9 rikkus |
| 19:14:01 | George- | damn |
| 19:14:10 | VerxHome | apt-get install rules_them_all |
| 19:14:14 | Tenchi | goddamnit |
| 19:14:27 | Tenchi | im guessing dayquil is orange and nyquil is green ? |
| 19:14:36 | [DrEvil] | yes |
| 19:14:42 | [DrEvil] | did you get them mixed up? |
| 19:14:47 | Tenchi | i just realized there are green gelcaps in this dayquil box |
| 19:14:50 | Tenchi | and i've been taking them |
| 19:14:54 | [DrEvil] | heh |
| 19:14:54 | Tenchi | and getting extremly sleepy |
| 19:14:55 | [DrEvil] | sleep |
| 19:15:10 | [DrEvil] | they can knock you on your ass |
| 19:15:14 | Tenchi | i think my wife took some of the nyquild gelcaps and put them in the dayquil box to save some space in the cabinet |
| 19:15:52 | VerxHome | Tenchi: Be sure to let her know the benefits you derived from the saved space. |
| 19:16:01 | Tenchi | but can i yell at her about it? OHHHHHHHH not a chance, it's ALL my fault for not paying attentino to the color |
| 19:16:14 | Tenchi | oh yeah all that space we're saving in there is extremely beneficial |
| 19:16:22 | VerxHome | Tenchi, are you married to my wife too?? |
| 19:16:34 | Tenchi | better not be |
| 19:16:36 | VerxHome | checks to see if his wife is married simultaneously to Tenchi |
| 19:16:40 | [DrEvil] | don't take those and drive |
| 19:17:05 | | nadav was last seen on #zaurus 11 days, 21 hours, 58 minutes and 51 seconds ago, saying: kergoth: ah. i'm going to try leaving the battery out for a few hours [Fri Aug 2 22:18:14 2002] |
| 19:17:05 | George- | ibot seen nadav |
| 19:17:17 | George- | hmm, he's been a bit more than a few hours :) |
| 19:17:36 | erikd | that's what i'm thinking |
| 19:17:39 | [DrEvil] | I can't take those Nyquil Liquicaps |
| 19:17:44 | [DrEvil] | they do weird things for me |
| 19:17:50 | [DrEvil] | they actually keep me awake |
| 19:17:57 | Tenchi | i hate how damn big they are |
| 19:18:07 | Tenchi | i get a cold w/ a sore throat and my wife bitches at me for not taking medicine |
| 19:18:18 | George- | lol |
| 19:18:30 | Tenchi | im like how the hell am i supposed to swallow these BOULDERS with a sore throat? |
| 19:18:54 | Tenchi | why cant they make the dosage be 4 small gelcaps rather than 2 huge boulders? |
| 19:18:58 | VerxHome | how cute! |
| 19:19:05 | VerxHome | =. |
| 19:19:05 | VerxHome | .=l. |
| 19:19:05 | VerxHome | .>+-= |
| 19:19:05 | VerxHome | _;:, .> :=|. |
| 19:19:05 | VerxHome | .> <`_, > . <= |
| 19:19:06 | VerxHome | :`=1 )Y*s>-.-- : |
| 19:19:07 | [DrEvil] | just get some liquid NyQuil |
| 19:19:07 | VerxHome | .="- .-=="i, .._ |
| 19:19:09 | VerxHome | - . .-<_> .<> |
| 19:19:11 | VerxHome | ._= =} : |
| 19:19:13 | VerxHome | .%`+i> _;_. |
| 19:19:16 | VerxHome | .i_,=:_. -<s. |
| 19:19:17 | VerxHome | + . -:. = |
| 19:19:19 | VerxHome | : .. .:, . . . |
| 19:19:21 | VerxHome | =_ + =;=| |
| 19:19:24 | VerxHome | _.=:. : :=>`: |
| 19:19:25 | VerxHome | ..}^=.= = ; |
| 19:19:27 | VerxHome | ++= -. .` .: |
| 19:19:29 | [DrEvil] | leave it to ljp to ruin it |
| 19:19:30 | VerxHome | : = ...= . :.=- |
| 19:19:31 | VerxHome | -. .:....=;==+<; |
| 19:19:33 | VerxHome | -_. . . )=. = |
| 19:19:33 | ljp_ | hahaha |
| 19:19:35 | VerxHome | -- :-= |
| 19:19:39 | ljp_ | boo! |
| 19:19:41 | VerxHome | heh |
| 19:19:46 | [DrEvil] | |
| 19:19:46 | VerxHome | and you know what else? |
| 19:19:53 | erikd | uh, what is that? |
| 19:19:54 | VerxHome | I think it was ljp that removed it from the sourcecode too |
| 19:19:55 | Tenchi | what was that supposed to be ? |
| 19:20:00 | VerxHome | erikd: The opie penguin |
| 19:20:05 | VerxHome | or whatever the thing is called |
| 19:20:06 | Tenchi | ohh |
| 19:20:10 | erikd | oh |
| 19:20:19 | erikd | i don't see it |
| 19:20:20 | erikd | :) |
| 19:20:24 | VerxHome | heh |
| 19:20:24 | Tenchi | well, i cant do liquid nyquil cuz its got alcohol in it which im allergic to |
| 19:20:25 | VerxHome | oh well |
| 19:20:36 | Tenchi | and my throat swells up when i drink it |
| 19:20:40 | VerxHome | Tenchi: How can you be allergic to alcohol? |
| 19:20:42 | numatrix | has opiemediaplayer2 been released? |
| 19:20:42 | Tenchi | which makes the sore throat thing even worse |
| 19:20:44 | VerxHome | that is just wrong |
| 19:20:53 | numatrix | I noticed zlib references it, but I didn't think omp2 was out yet? |
| 19:20:58 | Tenchi | VerxHome: yeah it's messed up |
| 19:21:01 | [DrEvil] | |
| 19:21:05 | erikd | |
| 19:21:23 | Tenchi | VerxHome: drinking achoholic beverages is completely out of the question which was rough in college |
| 19:21:32 | VerxHome | I am sure |
| 19:21:33 | VerxHome | I mean |
| 19:21:35 | Tenchi | VerxHome: people making fun of me and trying to pressure me |
| 19:21:38 | VerxHome | you must have had to resort to drugs |
| 19:21:39 | VerxHome | heheh |
| 19:21:52 | Tenchi | but what's worse is that I react to food that has alcohol in it too |
| 19:21:59 | VerxHome | man |
| 19:22:08 | numatrix | Tenchi: I guess you don't use mouthwash, then huh? |
| 19:22:08 | VerxHome | there are a lot of desserts with alcohol in them |
| 19:22:09 | VerxHome | :( |
| 19:22:16 | Tenchi | like my inlaws always have italian rum cake which i LOVE but it always messes up my throat :( |
| 19:22:16 | VerxHome | feels sorry for Tenchi |
| 19:22:20 | VerxHome | rum cake is a wondrous thing |
| 19:22:26 | VerxHome | oh god |
| 19:22:27 | VerxHome | tenchi |
| 19:22:35 | VerxHome | I dunno if my line came out before yours |
| 19:22:37 | Tenchi | and a few weeks ago i got some fried ice cream, and they brought it out still on fire |
| 19:22:42 | VerxHome | but I wrote about rum cake BEFORE you said that |
| 19:22:50 | Tenchi | and after eating a little bit i realized they put alcohol on it to make it b urn |
| 19:22:58 | Harlekin | VerxHome: oh, your read one of my headers |
| 19:23:09 | VerxHome | Harlekin: Is that your artwork? |
| 19:23:11 | VerxHome | I like it! :))) |
| 19:25:08 | erikd | does anyone happen to know the name of the widget that the to do app uses for the calendar pop up? |
| 19:25:46 | VerxHome | erikd: TodoAppCalendarPopUpWidgetObject |
| 19:26:03 | erikd | ah |
| 19:26:04 | erikd | cool |
| 19:26:06 | Harlekin | VerxHome: yeah, and its mostly only in my headers |
| 19:26:13 | VerxHome | Harlekin: Ahhh |
| 19:27:12 | erikd | verx: that doesn't work. do you know another name? |
| 19:27:37 | George- | TodoAppCalendarPopUpWidgetObject? wtF? That's a huge mouthful... |
| 19:27:50 | erikd | :) |
| 19:28:04 | VerxHome | erikd: um |
| 19:28:06 | VerxHome | I was joking man |
| 19:28:11 | VerxHome | sorry |
| 19:28:17 | VerxHome | didn't realize you took me seriously |
| 19:28:34 | VerxHome | I figured the "...WidgetObject" part would be a dead giveaway |
| 19:28:35 | numatrix | anybody know where the docs on setDocument are? I'm in the trolltech docs site and I can only find setDocumentLocator... |
| 19:29:43 | erikd | verx: yeah, i knew |
| 19:29:46 | erikd | was joking, too |
| 19:29:51 | VerxHome | oh, heh |
| 19:29:55 | VerxHome | you got me |
| 19:29:55 | VerxHome | :) |
| 19:29:55 | erikd | http://www.erikd.org/~yodatoad/z/cal.png <-- that widget if someone needs a pic |
| 19:29:56 | erikd | yup :) |
| 19:30:22 | VerxHome | erikd: I would bet it is in libopie |
| 19:30:30 | VerxHome | unless it exists on the Z too |
| 19:30:35 | erikd | uhmmm |
| 19:30:37 | VerxHome | in which case, I am thiking they built it |
| 19:31:04 | VerxHome | gimme a sec |
| 19:31:08 | VerxHome | lemme look at the todo source |
| 19:31:08 | erikd | bleh =/; |
| 19:31:09 | erikd | ok |
| 19:33:32 | George- | will OFileSelector accept *.html as a valid mime type? |
| 19:33:36 | George- | instead of text/html? |
| 19:34:02 | kergoth` | George-: *.html isnt a mime type |
| 19:34:08 | VerxHome | ahh erikd, I am getting closer |
| 19:34:14 | VerxHome | connect( picker, SIGNAL( dateClicked( int, int, int ) ), |
| 19:34:14 | VerxHome | this, SLOT( dateChanged( int, int, int ) ) ); |
| 19:34:14 | George- | kergoth`: ok |
| 19:34:17 | VerxHome | looks like it is picker |
| 19:34:23 | VerxHome | just gotta figure out what picker is |
| 19:34:36 | | speedy2 was last seen on #zaurus 3 hours, 4 minutes and 29 seconds ago, saying: Bad idea to use one power strip to turn on/of [Wed Aug 14 17:30:07 2002] |
| 19:34:36 | kergoth` | ibot: seen speedy2 |
| 19:34:36 | erikd | didn't even think of looking the source |
| 19:34:43 | kergoth` | smacks erikd |
| 19:34:44 | erikd | i'm so used to closed source apps :) |
| 19:35:06 | | ACTION shoots erikd in the head. |
| 19:35:06 | erikd | ibot shoot me |
| 19:35:13 | VerxHome | DateBookMonth is the class |
| 19:35:17 | VerxHome | has to find that now |
| 19:35:52 | VerxHome | the include qdatetime.h |
| 19:36:11 | erikd | so it's gotta be a custom widget |
| 19:36:25 | erikd | because as far as i know qdatetime isn't graphical :) |
| 19:36:40 | VerxHome | yeah |
| 19:36:44 | VerxHome | that is what I just discovered |
| 19:36:51 | erikd | =/ |
| 19:37:13 | erikd | bah, that's no good :) |
| 19:37:24 | erikd | downloads the source to see if he can rip the widget |
| 19:39:39 | VerxHome | lemme just look at the .h's |
| 19:39:39 | VerxHome | I should be able to find this class |
| 19:39:39 | VerxHome | hrm |
| 19:39:39 | VerxHome | looks like the webcvs just died |
| 19:39:39 | VerxHome | or something |
| 19:39:47 | VerxHome | or perhaps I am just lagged to all hell |
| 19:39:49 | Cloudchaser | Qtopia 1.5.1 |
| 19:39:49 | Cloudchaser | The next release of Qtopia is Qtopia 1.5.1, scheduled for release in late July. It has various bug fixes included. |
| 19:39:56 | Cloudchaser | guess its a little late |
| 19:40:17 | ljp_work | they meant _LATE_ July |
| 19:40:24 | Cloudchaser | what year? |
| 19:40:30 | kergoth` | heh |
| 19:40:48 | Cloudchaser | you'd think... since they just posted it.. they'd have re-worded it |
| 19:40:56 | KhensU | hehe |
| 19:41:12 | kergoth` | Cloudchaser: there you go, thinking they'll do something that make sense again. shame on you. |
| 19:41:14 | erikd | are you looking at oz or the official one? |
| 19:41:30 | Cloudchaser | kergoth: haha.. |
| 19:41:46 | Cloudchaser | someone from trolltech posted that link today in zaurus general |
| 19:41:59 | kergoth` | yeh i saw |
| 19:43:08 | Cloudchaser | shakes her head and goes back to reading |
| 19:43:27 | Cloudchaser | its no wonder our country is in financial doldrums |
| 19:44:06 | VerxHome | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 19:44:10 | VerxHome | NOT BINARY APE! |
| 19:44:15 | VerxHome | anything but that! |
| 19:45:23 | erikd | has no idea where verx is looking at the source |
| 19:47:42 | kergoth` | erikd: probably the source in opie cvs for todo |
| 19:47:58 | erikd | opie |
| 19:47:59 | ljp_work | 001000111001011100110001110010011000001101001100101011 |
| 19:48:01 | erikd | ... |
| 19:48:16 | erikd | keep in mind i don't have a z so i can't play with all this cool stuff yet :) |
| 19:49:34 | erikd | ah |
| 19:49:36 | erikd | found it |
| 19:53:31 | George- | I'm certain that LoTR was based on WarCraft III |
| 19:53:31 | George- | :) |
| 19:54:45 | erikd | still doesn't see the todo app source |
| 19:55:11 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 01:03:58) |
| 19:55:16 | kergoth` | erikd: core/[something]/todo. i dont remember whether its in apps or pim |
| 19:55:44 | erikd | ohh |
| 19:55:48 | erikd | i was looking under apps |
| 19:56:13 | erikd | it's pim, fyi |
| 19:56:17 | erikd | thanks |
| 19:57:01 | Cloudchaser | when qtopia 1.5.1 comes out will synching over network work again? |
| 19:57:25 | Cloudchaser | (with sharp rom) |
| 19:57:31 | angry | what's a good app for managing classes/assignments for the Z? |
| 19:57:56 | darienm | angry: I think there's only one |
| 19:58:00 | darienm | angry: did you check ZSI ? |
| 19:58:01 | Cloudchaser | tkcToDo? |
| 19:58:15 | angry | darienm: lemme check |
| 19:58:17 | | rumour has it zsi is http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 19:58:17 | angry | ibot, zsi |
| 19:58:23 | ljp_work | no opie-todo |
| 19:58:29 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 19:58:32 | angry | AHH killefiz you changed the colors! |
| 19:59:44 | ljp_work | heh I thought zsubhunt said something else.... ;) |
| 19:59:45 | angry | lol |
| 19:59:52 | frankps | bye all |
| 20:00:04 | angry | s/lol/oops, im a dumbass, i typed "lol" in the wrong window |
| 20:01:00 | Cloudchaser | kind of a bummer to see "new" apps on killefiz that aren't new |
| 20:01:06 | Cloudchaser | just bumped to top of list |
| 20:02:13 | Cloudchaser | either that or they're not changing their version numbers |
| 20:04:33 | kergoth` | hmm |
| 20:08:29 | scanline | is back (gone 07:56:15) |
| 20:08:32 | Cloudchaser | i'm just cranky cause its 100 degrees here .. |
| 20:08:34 | Cloudchaser | sorry |
| 20:10:50 | ljp_work | cranky cloud |
| 20:11:08 | Cloudchaser | hehe yep |
| 20:11:17 | ljp_work | rinse your head in cold water |
| 20:13:18 | George- | lol |
| 20:13:29 | ljp_work | thats what I do.. |
| 20:13:57 | Cloudchaser | i'll swim soon as the kids evacuate the pool |
| 20:14:09 | ljp_work | you have a pool? |
| 20:14:18 | George- | htmleditor.cpp:39: default argument given for parameter 1 of `void HTMLEditor::createNew(QString = QString())'htmleditor.h:39: after previous specification in `void HTMLEditor::createNew(QString = QString())' |
| 20:14:22 | George- | I've got a strange error here |
| 20:14:41 | George- | Aren't I meant to declare the default value in both the prototype and the implementation itself? |
| 20:20:26 | warmi | no, default value goes only into prototype |
| 20:20:43 | Cloudchaser | ljp: yes |
| 20:21:15 | warmi | George: gcc will let you get away with that but other compilers will complain about redefined default value |
| 20:26:08 | VerxHome | george left |
| 20:26:13 | VerxHome | he didn't see your answer |
| 20:28:37 | scanline | tries again to do a clean build of OZ |
| 20:29:30 | kergoth` | scanline: still having FP issues? |
| 20:29:58 | VerxHome | The Z doesn't have a jog dial, does it? |
| 20:30:02 | scanline | kergoth`: nope, my toolchain appears to be fixed.. just the odd bug here and there with the OZ build system |
| 20:31:03 | scanline | kergoth`: like first, I guessed the wrong password for busybox CVS, and when I tried to restart the build from there it thought it already had downloaded the busybox source.. then I tried a clean build again and it had trouble patching the kernel |
| 20:33:25 | scanline | VerxHome: no |
| 20:34:12 | kergoth` | scanline: rm -rf build/busybox sources/dl/busybox; oughta allow it to redownload |
| 20:34:25 | kergoth` | scanline: same for ipkg or any other download that fails for that matter |
| 20:34:29 | scanline | kergoth`: I'll try that next time I screw this up ;) |
| 20:35:00 | kergoth` | scanline: if it had trouble patching the kernel, it may have had issues downloading the various patches. check for partials |
| 20:35:32 | scanline | now waits for his relatively not-too-speedy 500mHz G3 laptop to compile OZ after downloading it over a kinda-unreliable 802.11b link |
| 20:35:56 | kergoth` | hah |
| 20:35:59 | kergoth` | glibc is always a fun one |
| 20:36:04 | scanline | yeah |
| 20:36:20 | kergoth` | scanline: avoid running 'make clean' in the buildroot.. having to rebuild glibc over and over is not a picnic |
| 20:36:36 | scanline | kergoth`: found that out the hard way ;) |
| 20:36:44 | kergoth` | hehe |
| 20:36:56 | scanline | Though the first time I saw glibc building yesterday I was just glad it finished the kernel |
| 20:37:04 | kergoth` | make clean wipes the build dir, make distclean wipes the builddir and downloaded files |
| 20:37:18 | kergoth` | make packagename_clean SHOULD wipe the respective build dir |
| 20:37:19 | scanline | I snagged the toolchain from arm.linux.co.uk and rebuilt the gcc and binutils for PPC, using the --nfp switches to configure |
| 20:37:25 | scanline | ah, thanks |
| 20:37:37 | scanline | notes that these things would be great for a README ;) |
| 20:38:01 | kergoth` | that stuff should be in BUILD in the root of the cvs module |
| 20:38:02 | kergoth` | i'll update it |
| 20:38:37 | scanline | I'm looking forward to getting this working so I can send you patches :) |
| 20:40:57 | kergoth` | yay |
| 20:41:06 | kergoth` | i havent TOUCHED the picogui packages in a LONG time |
| 20:41:13 | kergoth` | who knows what state their in |
| 20:41:15 | kergoth` | s/their/they're/ |
| 20:52:41 | kergoth` | hey cranch |
| 20:53:14 | cranch | hey kergoth :) |
| 20:53:19 | erikd | can you do that i == 1 ? blah = 1 : blah = 2; stuff but not have the 2nd part of it? |
| 20:53:28 | erikd | just have i == 1 ? blah = 1;? |
| 20:55:00 | erikd | guess not |
| 20:55:01 | erikd | bah |
| 20:56:51 | | rumour has it challenge is http://www.zaurus.com/dev/challenge/ |
| 20:56:51 | angry | ibot, challenge |
| 20:57:34 | imm | angry: do you take part at the challenge ? |
| 20:57:58 | angry | imm: nope, couldn't come up with an idea for an app, i found out about it too late |
| 20:58:20 | [DrEvil] | Building ipk for glibc... |
| 20:58:23 | [DrEvil] | hmmm |
| 20:58:32 | [DrEvil] | crosses fingers |
| 20:58:57 | imm | angry: you could do the java contest |
| 20:59:30 | [DrEvil] | dammit |
| 20:59:32 | [DrEvil] | denied |
| 20:59:51 | angry | imm: yeah, but i'm not the greatest programmer and i suspect others will make extremely involved programs :-P |
| 21:00:14 | angry | imm: i wish they had done a "challenge" type deal for java, too |
| 21:00:29 | erikd | yeah, then i could get two! |
| 21:00:31 | erikd | ;) |
| 21:00:37 | angry | ;-p |
| 21:01:07 | imm | erikd: why don't you just port the qt to java ? |
| 21:01:32 | angry | imm: i wish the Z had swing preinstalled :-/ |
| 21:01:54 | erikd | imm: i could, but i don't have the time :) |
| 21:02:06 | erikd | after i get this z app done i have to start on a web site |
| 21:02:25 | angry | erikd: what app are you making? |
| 21:02:36 | cranch | I need some good QT howto's :) |
| 21:02:41 | cranch | I want to start programming |
| 21:02:42 | erikd | statgrapher with darien |
| 21:02:56 | angry | erikd: awesome |
| 21:02:57 | erikd | zaurus.kruss.com/dev/ |
| 21:03:00 | erikd | under projects |
| 21:03:04 | erikd | yeah, it's a blast :) |
| 21:03:13 | imm | cranch: the qt docs are superb ! |
| 21:03:15 | angry | is it for the challenge? |
| 21:03:32 | erikd | yup |
| 21:05:07 | erikd | cranch: yeah, just look at the qt docs on the trolltech site and look a the main source for a qpe app to see how it's set up and it's all down^H^H^H^Huphill from there |
| 21:05:14 | erikd | err |
| 21:05:19 | erikd | yeah :) |
| 21:05:42 | erikd | quits while he's behind |
| 21:05:42 | angry | jikes = compiling on the Z? |
| 21:06:28 | imm | angry: yep |
| 21:06:36 | angry | cool |
| 21:06:43 | imm | jikes rocks ! |
| 21:07:16 | imm | it compiles code 10x faster then any other compiler |
| 21:07:19 | angry | if i made an app that uses swing in java, how would i get it onto the Z? |
| 21:07:41 | angry | would i need to make people install swing somehow? |
| 21:07:47 | mickeyl | angry: i guess you'd have a hard time porting swing to qt... |
| 21:07:49 | imm | angry: no chance, swing is to bloated |
| 21:08:03 | cranch | you have to buy QT to use it? |
| 21:08:04 | angry | damn |
| 21:08:12 | mickeyl | angry: or are you talking 'bout X on the Z? |
| 21:08:16 | angry | maybe i should stick to awt then |
| 21:08:31 | imm | awt sucks also :( |
| 21:08:51 | angry | you use QT w/ java? |
| 21:08:51 | erikd | s/awt/java |
| 21:09:49 | imm | no, for guis i prefer qt |
| 21:10:00 | imm | java gui at linux sucks bad |
| 21:10:31 | mickeyl | imm: i don't like it on win either... |
| 21:11:33 | imm | mickeyl: at least the look'n'feel is better at win, but never used win for ages |
| 21:12:13 | warmi | re |
| 21:12:59 | mickeyl | :)) |
| 21:14:50 | imm | mickeyl: the netbeans folks had some nice startup time comparisons, win was 5 times faster ... |
| 21:15:29 | mickeyl | imm: yeah, sun's jit compiler on sun rocks... also j3d is a lot faster |
| 21:15:45 | mickeyl | argh.... sun's jit compiler on Win rocks |
| 21:16:32 | imm | can't understand why the spend more time on win devel then unix |
| 21:18:10 | warmi | perhaps cause most folks use Windows ? |
| 21:21:55 | erikd | windows? |
| 21:21:59 | erikd | wha? |
| 21:22:25 | cranch | how do I write QT in Windows :) |
| 21:22:36 | cranch | dumb question..nevermind :) |
| 21:22:55 | cranch | no wait...someone answer that :) |
| 21:22:57 | mickeyl | Qt/Windows is cool... much better than MFC |
| 21:23:25 | cranch | do you have to buy QT for windows? |
| 21:23:39 | erikd | cranch: are you deving for windows or for the Z |
| 21:23:42 | erikd | ? |
| 21:24:02 | mickeyl | cranch: no. you can use an unlimited non-commercial testversion of Qt 2.3 or use a 30 day evaluation version of Qt 3 |
| 21:24:19 | cranch | not partiuclarly |
| 21:24:22 | cranch | just trying to learn QT |
| 21:28:23 | cranch | any ideas? |
| 21:28:29 | cranch | I've got KDE 3.0 on my desktop |
| 21:28:55 | mickeyl | cranch: do you have good c++ knowledge? |
| 21:29:26 | cranch | had a yeah of C in college |
| 21:29:27 | cranch | :) |
| 21:29:32 | kergoth` | [DrEvil]: still no dice? |
| 21:29:32 | cranch | 2 years ago :) |
| 21:29:33 | cranch | haha |
| 21:29:35 | cranch | but I remember it |
| 21:30:11 | mickeyl | hmm... c is not c++... you might want to get into c++ _before_ getting into Qt. Learning two complicated things at the same time is not recommended. |
| 21:30:46 | kergoth` | yeah just ask verx, he tried that.. didnt work too well until he took on c++ seperately :-) |
| 21:32:41 | cranch | hehe |
| 21:32:44 | cranch | may have to do that :) |
| 21:32:46 | kergoth` | sits on hold.. grumbles |
| 21:33:03 | erikd | kergoth: aren't you usually on the other side of that? |
| 21:33:14 | cranch | the stuff in the whitepaper doesn't seem TOO hard :) |
| 21:34:11 | kergoth` | erikd: indeed. i hate it when customers do that.. "Hi, Digi support! I need help with this issue... oh, can you hold?" |
| 21:36:33 | erikd | heh |
| 21:36:39 | erikd | is that what's happening now? |
| 21:36:50 | erikd | notes he should stop chatting. |
| 21:36:55 | kergoth` | hey treke |
| 21:37:04 | erikd | i've gotten like 2 things coded in the last 4 hours :) |
| 21:37:05 | treke|home | grettings from lwce |
| 21:37:15 | kergoth` | erikd: hah, that happens to me all the damn time |
| 21:37:24 | Cloudchaser | ;) having fun treke? |
| 21:37:26 | kergoth` | treke|lwce: how is it? having a good time? |
| 21:37:35 | treke|lwce | having a great time |
| 21:37:40 | Microdim | do all the sharp Zaurus's come with a flip open lid? to protect the screen? |
| 21:37:43 | kergoth` | glad to hear it |
| 21:37:46 | kergoth` | Microdim: yes. |
| 21:37:47 | chouimat | hi |
| 21:37:49 | treke|lwce | Zs are 300 here :) |
| 21:37:54 | kergoth` | treke|lwce: i heard.. |
| 21:37:58 | kergoth` | treke|lwce: thats cool |
| 21:38:03 | Cloudchaser | cool! did you buy 2? |
| 21:38:05 | kergoth` | treke|lwce: so how busy is the sharp booth? |
| 21:38:12 | treke|lwce | looks behind him |
| 21:38:18 | treke|lwce | pretty busy |
| 21:38:23 | kergoth` | hehe |
| 21:38:25 | [DrEvil] | no dice |
| 21:38:25 | Cloudchaser | you bring that list treke??? |
| 21:38:31 | treke|lwce | what list? |
| 21:38:39 | Cloudchaser | threaten to make a scene if they don't fix all our issues! :) |
| 21:38:39 | [DrEvil] | touch: creating `/devel/zaurus/buildroot-oz/build/stamps/gconv-modules*/stamp-binary': No such file or directory |
| 21:38:39 | [DrEvil] | touch: creating `/devel/zaurus/buildroot-oz/build/stamps/libc6*/stamp-binary': No such file or directory |
| 21:38:39 | [DrEvil] | /bin/sh: -c: line 1: syntax error near unexpected token `;' |
| 21:38:45 | Cloudchaser | you know...our bitch list! |
| 21:39:05 | treke|lwce | well I saw ben meyer there, and I'm sure he has it |
| 21:39:08 | [DrEvil] | there is more |
| 21:39:11 | Cloudchaser | don't tell me you forgot it! |
| 21:39:25 | [DrEvil] | /bin/sh: -c: line 1: `source /devel/zaurus/buildroot-oz/configs/methods/source; for i in ; do _source_destpath $i /devel/zaurus/buildroot-oz/sources/dl; done;' |
| 21:39:26 | [DrEvil] | /bin/sh: -c: line 1: syntax error near unexpected token `;' |
| 21:39:26 | [DrEvil] | /bin/sh: -c: line 1: `( true; ); for i in ; do for j in ; do if [ ! -e $i ]; then if (echo $j | grep `echo $i|sed -e 's,.*/,,g;'` >/dev/null 2>&1); then echo Obtaining sources of libc6...; source /devel/zaurus/buildroot-oz/configs/methods/source; _source $j $i; fi; fi; done; done; ' |
| 21:39:26 | [DrEvil] | make[2]: *** [source] Error 2 |
| 21:39:38 | [DrEvil] | I removed both rm ..locale.alias lines |
| 21:39:43 | [DrEvil] | and put them back |
| 21:39:44 | [DrEvil] | etc |
| 21:40:16 | Harlekin | warmi: home by now ? .-) |
| 21:40:38 | treke|lwce | seen a bunch of zs around |
| 21:41:18 | Cloudchaser | anything new and nifty? |
| 21:41:32 | chouimat | imm: hi |
| 21:42:32 | treke|lwce | troll tech has a booth along with another developer who has an embedded linux distro that runs on the Z |
| 21:43:00 | mickeyl | kergoth: will there be additional OZ releases with 2.4.6? |
| 21:43:11 | Cloudchaser | foo |
| 21:43:13 | mickeyl | or will the next version (whenever it will be out) be 2.4.19? |
| 21:43:18 | Cloudchaser | i had question for him ;) |
| 21:43:28 | kergoth` | mickeyl: yes, the next release will use 2.4.6 but will include opie-login out of hte box, with proper groups on the various devices to facilitate running opie as a nonroot user. |
| 21:43:31 | erikd | is there a nice keystroke for konsole that'lle change between shells? like Alt+1-0 in BX? |
| 21:43:34 | scanline | oh boy, now I get to compile glibc.... |
| 21:43:36 | kergoth` | mickeyl: the 2.4.19 switch comes after that |
| 21:43:44 | kergoth` | scanline: fun fun |
| 21:43:59 | Harlekin | kergoth`: cool, any problems yet running opie as nonroot? |
| 21:44:15 | kergoth` | Harlekin: havent tried it yet ;-) |
| 21:44:22 | Harlekin | ah |
| 21:44:24 | mickeyl | kergoth`: hmm... ok. I'm eager to have updated versions of the wireless extensions in OZ. The wireless extensions in 2.4.6 are very old and don't feature important syscalls, which have been introduced in later versions... |
| 21:44:29 | kergoth` | Harlekin: too many projects .. juggling, trying not to drop one on my head |
| 21:44:36 | kergoth` | mickeyl: indeed. |
| 21:44:46 | Harlekin | kergoth`: you need to make sure that they "users" get in special groups like sound, fb, etc |
| 21:44:54 | kergoth` | Harlekin: yep, I knwo |
| 21:44:57 | kergoth` | Harlekin: er know |
| 21:45:01 | imm | chouimat: hi |
| 21:45:12 | chouimat | imm: home? |
| 21:45:47 | mickeyl | my socket wlan card appeared today... it's so much better than the buffalo... :) |
| 21:45:51 | kergoth` | mickeyl: well, the buzzer sound driver may already be working, i need to test it. the other sound driver is being worked on, for the headphone output.. right now I'm working on adding the pcmcia support for the Z to 2.5.x .. so we're getting there |
| 21:45:55 | kergoth` | mickeyl: oh nice. |
| 21:46:34 | mickeyl | kergoth`: hey, you said the *buzz*word :)) nice!! |
| 21:47:04 | imm | chouimat: yep |
| 21:47:11 | kergoth` | mickeyl: at least, echo blah > /dev/dsp makes a click sound. hehe |
| 21:47:25 | kergoth` | mickeyl: I need to test a mixer to crank the volume and test some wav's |
| 21:47:33 | mickeyl | kergoth: hehe ... well that's a good start, i guess :) |
| 21:47:33 | chouimat | imm: icq? |
| 21:47:52 | kergoth` | mickeyl: so like i said.. it MAY already be working :-) |
| 21:48:32 | kergoth` | mickeyl: LEDs still dont like me though :-( |
| 21:48:36 | imm | chouimat: 166574000 |
| 21:49:04 | kergoth` | icq #s are up to 10 digits? |
| 21:49:06 | kergoth` | damn |
| 21:49:13 | kergoth` | heh |
| 21:49:44 | imm | kergoth: icq is bloody old |
| 21:50:32 | kergoth` | imm: I know, my number is 2696990 :-) |
| 21:50:51 | Neo|Work | I wrote a latter to Handango telling them how outrageously expensive their 'free' translation service is |
| 21:51:24 | Neo|Work | can't believe they try to push it on people claiming it's "free" when it in reality costs an additional 15% |
| 21:51:55 | Neo|Work | that could, for reasonable sales, add up to hundreds of dollars if not thousands (at least for PPC tiles for exampled) |
| 21:52:24 | Neo|Work | now if they translated my stuff without my permission and expect that 15% fee I will be really pissed |
| 21:52:31 | Neo|Work | if they did it for _free_ then that's great |
| 21:52:37 | Cloudchaser | i have 6 digit icq :) |
| 21:52:47 | kergoth` | Cloudchaser: impressive ;-) |
| 21:52:50 | Cloudchaser | 346247 |
| 21:52:55 | [DrEvil] | kergoth: so why am I now getting these script errors on libc6? |
| 21:53:09 | Neo|Work | warmi: around? |
| 21:53:13 | Cloudchaser | i know someone in the 100,000 range |
| 21:53:50 | erikd | has an 8 digit one |
| 21:53:56 | erikd | never use it, though |
| 21:53:58 | kergoth` | [DrEvil]: its failing to convert the Sources: list to local paths .. its trying to figure out what the path+file will be after it downloads it |
| 21:54:08 | rikkus | is 156798369 |
| 21:54:13 | kergoth` | I tend to leave gaim running with me logged onto all the various services |
| 21:54:14 | kergoth` | heh |
| 21:54:18 | warmi | NeoTron: yeah .. getting ready to go home |
| 21:54:31 | warmi | what's up Neo ? |
| 21:54:38 | erikd | i have gaim logged into msn and aim |
| 21:54:50 | kybu | warmi: nice work, puzz-le :) |
| 21:54:54 | imm | kergoth: are you working fulltime on OZ ? |
| 21:55:01 | warmi | kybu: thanks :-) |
| 21:55:19 | kergoth` | imm: no, I work in unix tech support most of the time :-) |
| 21:55:22 | Neo|Work | warmi: don't you think 15% fee is a bit excessive? |
| 21:55:24 | kergoth` | imm: OZ is a hobby, side project |
| 21:55:30 | Neo|Work | especially when they claim it's free? |
| 21:55:45 | cranch | what Opie package can view jpeg's |
| 21:55:49 | kergoth` | Neo|Work: thats bs. |
| 21:55:49 | Neo|Work | if you think about it, a normal description can't take longer than 10-20 minutes to translate for a skilled translator, if that |
| 21:55:55 | kergoth` | cranch: the image viewer |
| 21:56:01 | kergoth` | cranch: surprisingly enough. :-P |
| 21:56:07 | cranch | whats it called though :) |
| 21:56:11 | cranch | I must be looking over it |
| 21:56:17 | kergoth` | i dont remember, i never use it |
| 21:56:18 | kergoth` | hehe |
| 21:56:22 | cranch | :P |
| 21:56:24 | [DrEvil] | kergoth: so...um...any ideas on how I can fix it? |
| 21:56:26 | rikkus | anyone know if there's a way to install your app's data and _not_ have it all show up in the Documents tab ? |
| 21:56:33 | rikkus | aside from telling the user to do nasty things |
| 21:56:43 | VerxHome | concludes he isn't toooooo horrible at making toolbar icons. . . |
| 21:56:48 | rikkus | (Sharp ROM) |
| 21:56:48 | warmi | NeoWork: 15 % per each game sold ? |
| 21:56:53 | kergoth` | [DrEvil]: I still think this is shell related. The only thing that could cause it to fail to convert, to my knowledge, is that.. hm |
| 21:56:55 | warmi | oh right |
| 21:56:55 | imm | kergoth: you seem to good at your job, with so much time to spend at OZ :) |
| 21:57:03 | warmi | yeah, that is definately too much |
| 21:57:05 | kergoth` | rikkus: put weird extensions on your files? :-) |
| 21:57:10 | imm | s/to good/to be good/ |
| 21:57:12 | Cloudchaser | rikkus: haven't heard of any easy way |
| 21:57:17 | Neo|Work | warmi: yes, they add 15% charge for a total of 45% commissions, for 2 years |
| 21:57:19 | Neo|Work | I think |
| 21:57:28 | warmi | especially on top of their normal commision |
| 21:57:29 | rikkus | Cloudchaser: I noticed you were asking :) |
| 21:57:31 | warmi | yeah |
| 21:57:31 | kergoth` | imm: hah. I wish i had enough time to spend on OZ.. I'm juggling far too many things |
| 21:57:32 | Neo|Work | and not only that, you can't use the translation anywhere other than with handango |
| 21:57:54 | warmi | hehe |
| 21:57:55 | Neo|Work | I'd pay 20-30 bucks plus a few bucks for updates no problem |
| 21:58:14 | Neo|Work | but 15% for _2_years_ ! |
| 21:58:17 | Cloudchaser | rikkus: yes cause i have an app that puts 600 files on my docs tab and its driving me crazy :) |
| 21:58:25 | warmi | well, let's hope japanese folks speak English :-) |
| 21:58:36 | Neo|Work | well, look at the japanese handango |
| 21:58:40 | rikkus | Cloudchaser: right, tkcRace. There is a workaround I heard about... will try to find where I saw it if you like. |
| 21:58:42 | mickeyl | is leaving for a while... |
| 21:58:43 | Neo|Work | and see what is features in the linux section |
| 21:58:44 | [DrEvil] | kergoth: at what level fo you have buildroot-oz on your system? |
| 21:58:47 | warmi | 2 years is going to be likely lifespan of the app anyway |
| 21:58:58 | kergoth` | [DrEvil]: ? |
| 21:59:19 | Cloudchaser | rikkus: that would be great, thanks! i tried putting "." in front of it to hide the pics dir, which it did |
| 21:59:21 | kergoth` | [DrEvil]: I have no idea what you're asking. hehe |
| 21:59:24 | Cloudchaser | but the game woudn't work thne |
| 21:59:28 | Cloudchaser | then |
| 21:59:31 | Neo|Work | http://visavis.handango.com/PlatformHome.jsp?platformId=9&siteId=32&zsortParams=true |
| 22:00:12 | Neo|Work | and also note the number 1 game |
| 22:00:24 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 22:00:35 | Neo|Work | actually number one app I guess |
| 22:01:17 | Neo|Work | you know.. |
| 22:01:30 | [DrEvil] | how deep is your directory structure before you get to buildroot-oz |
| 22:01:49 | kergoth` | [DrEvil]: ah, its in /usr/src/coding/projects/user/buildroot-oz on my primary dev box. |
| 22:01:58 | [DrEvil] | hmmm |
| 22:01:59 | [DrEvil] | ok |
| 22:02:03 | warmi | NeoTron: how are japanese sales ? |
| 22:02:08 | warmi | hehe |
| 22:02:11 | Neo|Work | I have 1 sale! |
| 22:02:15 | Neo|Work | that I noticed |
| 22:02:24 | Neo|Work | the address in the email was JIS encoded |
| 22:02:25 | Cloudchaser | neo: see that purple blaster is out.. |
| 22:02:27 | Neo|Work | looked quite funny |
| 22:02:31 | Neo|Work | Cloudchaser: indeed |
| 22:02:32 | warmi | hehe |
| 22:02:47 | Cloudchaser | :) |
| 22:02:52 | Neo|Work | but i think Japan has a better chance of growing faster |
| 22:02:55 | kergoth` | [DrEvil]: go into ... configs/methods/source .. there's a function in there it calls to convert the url to a local path.. add set -ex inside the beginning of that function, so you can see what it executes |
| 22:02:59 | Neo|Work | I really need to get my hands on an A300 |
| 22:03:05 | warmi | NeoTron: assuming a300 does well there |
| 22:03:15 | warmi | I need to get my hands on PocketPC but that's another story |
| 22:03:18 | warmi | time for my train |
| 22:03:21 | warmi | see you later |
| 22:03:37 | Cloudchaser | see ya warmi ;) |
| 22:03:42 | kergoth` | time for me to head home. |
| 22:03:47 | [DrEvil] | what is the function called? |
| 22:03:48 | [DrEvil] | ok |
| 22:03:52 | [DrEvil] | talk to you later |
| 22:03:53 | kergoth` | [DrEvil]: I'll think about this. maybe some revelation will come to me. |
| 22:03:53 | rikkus | Cloudchaser: http://zaurus.kruss.com/software.php#14 |
| 22:03:59 | [DrEvil] | I am off to the gym |
| 22:03:59 | kergoth` | [DrEvil]: hold on, i'llg et that function name |
| 22:03:59 | Cloudchaser | cya later kergoth |
| 22:04:36 | kergoth` | [DrEvil]: function _source_destpath () { <- |
| 22:04:42 | kergoth` | k i'm out. bbl |
| 22:06:22 | Cloudchaser | rikkus: thank you |
| 22:07:16 | rikkus | Cloudchaser: I just did that, seems to be working ok so far. I did the adding /Documents to /mnt/whatever/cf method. |
| 22:08:22 | Cloudchaser | i'll have to look to see where those pics are installed |
| 22:08:33 | Cloudchaser | don't think its in documents though |
| 22:08:34 | imm | is day of the tentacle realy playable on the Z ? |
| 22:08:36 | rikkus | probably not in /mnt/cf/Documents |
| 22:09:15 | Cloudchaser | many thanks rikkus and darienm! |
| 22:09:18 | Cloudchaser | ;0 |
| 22:09:36 | darienm | Cloudchaser: what did I do ? |
| 22:09:46 | Cloudchaser | oh and xavierxeon too ;) |
| 22:10:02 | Cloudchaser | posted the hide cs or sd card contents |
| 22:10:12 | Cloudchaser | which rikkus pointed out to me ;) |
| 22:10:20 | darienm | ahh |
| 22:11:08 | Cloudchaser | oh and your script for rekall worked but new kompany file makes somethings wonky so i'm going to wait til an update comes out to fix it :) |
| 22:11:21 | VerxHome | can anyone tell me the benefit of having a toolbar over just having tool buttons? |
| 22:11:21 | darienm | sounds good |
| 22:11:29 | darienm | VerxHome: nope |
| 22:11:35 | rikkus | hmm, tkcVideo is a bit slow |
| 22:11:36 | darienm | VerxHome: it collapses |
| 22:11:51 | darienm | VerxHome: and you can change the orientation |
| 22:12:10 | VerxHome | darienm: Hrm, I would think that would mean it is slower too. . . |
| 22:12:14 | darienm | VerxHome: but for any more assistance you have to put my name on your page :) |
| 22:12:19 | darienm | giggles |
| 22:12:29 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 22:12:50 | VerxHome | heh |
| 22:12:56 | VerxHome | how do you make it collapse? |
| 22:13:07 | darienm | VerxHome: double-tap the little edge thingy |
| 22:13:17 | darienm | VerxHome: or maybe just single-tap |
| 22:13:26 | VerxHome | it is double |
| 22:13:27 | VerxHome | hrm |
| 22:13:30 | darienm | its really quite useless on a handheld |
| 22:13:31 | VerxHome | I think I am gonna do a toolbar |
| 22:13:35 | VerxHome | more convenient methinks |
| 22:13:49 | VerxHome | well, it lets people EASILY choose to put it on top or bottom or side |
| 22:13:57 | VerxHome | with (I am guessing) no real extra code to do it |
| 22:14:38 | darienm | would seem that way |
| 22:15:19 | VerxHome | darienm: Have you seen my webpage? |
| 22:15:33 | darienm | VerxHome: Yes, been following it since it was empty about a month ago |
| 22:16:01 | VerxHome | heh |
| 22:16:03 | erikd | hmm... i just noticed that kergoth is the one that's been updating DateBookMonth |
| 22:16:04 | erikd | bah |
| 22:16:09 | VerxHome | it had pictures back then |
| 22:16:11 | erikd | i should've asked him about that before he left :) |
| 22:16:13 | VerxHome | just not of the app |
| 22:16:14 | VerxHome | :) |
| 22:16:15 | imm | VerxHome: did sharp accepted your beta now ? |
| 22:16:21 | darienm | erikd: he just maintains the directories there, I dont think its his code |
| 22:16:28 | erikd | ah |
| 22:16:45 | VerxHome | imm: Yes, check this: |
| 22:16:52 | Neo|Work | so anyone got any apps form sharp yet? |
| 22:16:53 | VerxHome | http://www.joechott.com/software.php3 |
| 22:16:54 | Neo|Work | uh |
| 22:17:02 | Neo|Work | s/apps/5000's/? |
| 22:17:17 | darienm | erikd will be getting his soon...... |
| 22:17:35 | VerxHome | darienm: You guys submitted your beta then? |
| 22:17:40 | darienm | soon..... |
| 22:17:43 | darienm | its really close |
| 22:17:46 | VerxHome | ahhh |
| 22:17:47 | VerxHome | cool |
| 22:17:55 | Neo|Work | VerxHome: got any shots or other info about dragonsheet? |
| 22:17:58 | darienm | we're trying to implement one of those pop-up calendars for date input |
| 22:18:06 | darienm | if you have any suggestions... |
| 22:18:10 | Neo|Work | what are you all making? |
| 22:18:17 | imm | VerxHome: coool ! |
| 22:18:22 | darienm | Neo|Work: http://zaurus.kruss.com/dev/ |
| 22:18:27 | VerxHome | darienm: As far as I am concerned, the pop-up calendar is an application unto itself |
| 22:18:27 | imm | want his Z to ! |
| 22:18:32 | VerxHome | but that is my opinion |
| 22:18:47 | darienm | VerxHome: You have a different way to ask the user for a date? |
| 22:18:57 | VerxHome | yeah |
| 22:19:02 | darienm | do tell |
| 22:19:02 | VerxHome | the good old fashioned way |
| 22:19:05 | darienm | uh oh |
| 22:19:09 | darienm | three drop-downs? |
| 22:19:10 | VerxHome | spinboxes and comboboxes |
| 22:19:21 | VerxHome | takes a few seconds to code |
| 22:19:23 | darienm | eats space on the screen |
| 22:19:26 | VerxHome | well, longer than that |
| 22:19:29 | VerxHome | nope |
| 22:19:30 | VerxHome | do this |
| 22:19:31 | darienm | its our last resort |
| 22:19:33 | VerxHome | have your calendar button |
| 22:19:42 | darienm | initiate a dialog... ? |
| 22:19:45 | VerxHome | have it pop up a dialog with the spinboxes and comboboxes |
| 22:19:47 | VerxHome | yeah |
| 22:19:53 | VerxHome | doesn't take any extra space |
| 22:19:58 | darienm | like I said, our last resort if we cant get the calendar pop-up. |
| 22:20:10 | VerxHome | is your app going to be gpl? |
| 22:20:12 | VerxHome | or for sale? |
| 22:20:13 | darienm | Our application is heavy on dates.... so the calendar function really does make sense. |
| 22:20:14 | darienm | yes, its GPL |
| 22:20:18 | VerxHome | ok |
| 22:20:23 | VerxHome | then talk to the #Opie folks |
| 22:20:28 | darienm | Everything you need to know is at http://zaurus.kruss.com/dev/ |
| 22:20:31 | VerxHome | they will know what to do to initiate the popup |
| 22:20:37 | darienm | erikd is working on finding the right folks :) |
| 22:20:42 | VerxHome | k |
| 22:20:42 | VerxHome | :) |
| 22:20:52 | VerxHome | ljp would be a good one methinks |
| 22:21:10 | VerxHome | ok, what happens if you have more items in a toolbar than will fit? |
| 22:21:17 | VerxHome | does it have any way to scroll through them? |
| 22:21:19 | darienm | beats me.... |
| 22:21:36 | VerxHome | I can't figure out how to make a toolbar in Qt Designer. . . |
| 22:21:37 | darienm | maybe there's one of those little arrow things at the end that becomes a pop-up of the fall-offs |
| 22:21:53 | darienm | I've heard rumors you can't do it in designer. |
| 22:23:05 | imm | darienm: your app should run on qtopia for the chalenge i think |
| 22:23:16 | darienm | imm: it does run on qtopia |
| 22:23:30 | darienm | imm: did you read or see something that gave you a different impression? |
| 22:23:49 | Neo|Work | isn't there a builtin "popup calendar" widget? |
| 22:24:00 | imm | darienm: but when you add opie extra functions, it won't any longer |
| 22:24:01 | darienm | Neo|Work: built in.... to what? where? |
| 22:24:05 | Neo|Work | qt |
| 22:24:14 | Neo|Work | maybe I remember incorrectly |
| 22:24:25 | erikd | i didn't see one |
| 22:24:35 | darienm | imm: we are attempting to code the calendar into our application, not call an opie library |
| 22:24:46 | erikd | there's nothing QDate* except QDateTime and QDate |
| 22:24:47 | Neo|Work | nm |
| 22:24:57 | darienm | imm: unless I'm misunderstanding you. The standard calendar and to-do programs come with the same pop-up calendar (in the Sharp ROM) |
| 22:25:04 | Neo|Work | qpe/calendar is just a date specification or something |
| 22:25:05 | darienm | imm: and the tkc applications use a variant also |
| 22:27:02 | Neo|Work | ah, they implement it |
| 22:27:22 | Neo|Work | qte/datebook/dateentryimpl.cpp |
| 22:27:34 | Neo|Work | is your app gpl? if so you can just steal it. :) |
| 22:28:00 | VerxHome | anyone know what "popup delay" is for a tool button? |
| 22:28:04 | erikd | yeah, it is |
| 22:28:08 | erikd | and i am stealing it :) |
| 22:28:10 | imm | darienm: you have to put it in your own app, then it works |
| 22:28:14 | erikd | in the process |
| 22:28:25 | darienm | imm: yes, that was our intention the whole time |
| 22:28:45 | imm | darienm: then sorry for my disturbing :) |
| 22:29:00 | darienm | imm: no problem, I like to get other perspectives |
| 22:30:06 | VerxHome | tries to understand why 11 20x20 pixel buttons cannot fit next to each other with ZERO space between them in under 240 pixels of width |
| 22:30:10 | VerxHome | is boggled by this |
| 22:32:31 | erikd | wow... it compiles |
| 22:32:33 | erikd | hmmm |
| 22:32:36 | erikd | tries using it |
| 22:33:39 | darienm | is going to start referring to erikd as "Frankenstein" |
| 22:33:46 | erikd | hehe |
| 22:34:00 | darienm | speaking of which, check out http://www.frankensteincs.com/ |
| 22:34:06 | darienm | I'm an admin there |
| 22:34:29 | darienm | er, cancel that. Don't play CS, finish the app :) |
| 22:35:08 | erikd | hmm |
| 22:35:09 | erikd | cs... |
| 22:35:11 | VerxHome | ok |
| 22:35:20 | VerxHome | I got everything to fit properly |
| 22:35:30 | VerxHome | this is looking pretty durned nice |
| 22:35:30 | VerxHome | :) |
| 22:35:51 | erikd | GAH! don't do that to me... :) |
| 22:35:56 | imm | VerxHome: pics ? |
| 22:36:00 | erikd | i've already slacked too much today |
| 22:36:29 | VerxHome | imm: Of what? |
| 22:36:34 | VerxHome | my challenge app? |
| 22:36:39 | VerxHome | or what I am working on right now? |
| 22:40:41 | erikd | BAH |
| 22:40:50 | erikd | i tried using it and it segfaulted :( |
| 22:41:01 | erikd | tries again |
| 22:41:05 | imm | VerxHome: of what you are working on |
| 22:41:10 | darienm | if at first you don't succeed.... |
| 22:41:42 | erikd | give up |
| 22:41:44 | erikd | ;) |
| 22:43:16 | prpplague | evening all |
| 22:43:38 | VerxHome | imm: Well, it isn't really in a form to show people yet |
| 22:43:41 | erikd | 'allo |
| 22:43:43 | VerxHome | I am just in design phase |
| 22:44:02 | VerxHome | imm: But you can see what there is to see at: http://www.joechott.com/software.php3 |
| 22:44:05 | kendrick2 | any trolls here? |
| 22:44:14 | VerxHome | I expect I will have some pics of this app later on tonight to put on my website |
| 22:44:30 | ljp | I'm a warlock, not a troll. Does that count? ;) |
| 22:44:34 | kendrick2 | heh |
| 22:44:43 | kendrick2 | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6325345126.html |
| 22:44:49 | kendrick2 | (i posted that after i saw kent's email :) ) |
| 22:44:55 | kendrick2 | anyone going to LWE tomorrow??? |
| 22:45:14 | ljp | is that about the $300 5500? |
| 22:45:24 | kendrick2 | no, about qtopia roadmap |
| 22:45:26 | Cloudchaser | treke is there kendrick today he is |
| 22:45:44 | kendrick2 | i'm heading htere tomorrow with about 9 or 10 other Davisites |
| 22:45:52 | Cloudchaser | cool :) |
| 22:45:56 | Cloudchaser | i wish i could go |
| 22:46:00 | Cloudchaser | wrong coast though |
| 22:46:06 | VerxHome | 176x220!?!?!? |
| 22:46:10 | VerxHome | -*OUCH*- |
| 22:46:22 | kendrick2 | time to start recoding :) |
| 22:46:27 | erikd | thinks trolltech should add a QVisualDateThingyThatErikdIsHavingProblemsWithBecauseItsNotStandardWidget in Qtopia 2.0 |
| 22:46:55 | VerxHome | kendrick2: Nah |
| 22:46:59 | VerxHome | that isn't worth supporting |
| 22:47:02 | Cloudchaser | kendrick2: trolltech posted that announcment and they'are already late for step 1! |
| 22:47:05 | kendrick2 | verx - i have a feeling that rez might be for the iris :) |
| 22:47:06 | VerxHome | no one is gonna run qtopia on their watch |
| 22:47:07 | VerxHome | :) |
| 22:47:14 | ljp | hahaha I already have qtopia 1/6 |
| 22:47:14 | VerxHome | kendrick2: iris? URL? |
| 22:47:19 | ljp | 1.6 rather |
| 22:47:35 | VerxHome | ljp: I doubt it |
| 22:47:40 | VerxHome | you likely have a 1.6pre |
| 22:47:41 | kendrick2 | verx - no url |
| 22:47:48 | kendrick2 | i had a photo once... dunno what happened to it :^/ |
| 22:47:53 | VerxHome | cuz you don't have outlook syncing do you ljp? |
| 22:47:54 | kendrick2 | it looked more like a treo |
| 22:48:09 | VerxHome | actually |
| 22:48:15 | VerxHome | that rez isn't TOO horrible |
| 22:48:19 | VerxHome | it is better than the palm |
| 22:48:21 | VerxHome | 160x160 |
| 22:48:48 | ljp | VerxIdle: dont doubt it.. TT had 1.6 snapshots on their ftp site for a bit. COmplete with qtopiadesktop source. zecke dl'd it also |
| 22:48:58 | chouimat | nite |
| 22:49:04 | VerxHome | ljp: heh |
| 22:49:09 | VerxHome | most interesting |
| 22:49:17 | ljp | thats where we got opieplayer2 skins from ;) |
| 22:49:25 | kendrick2 | ok - time to leave work |
| 22:49:26 | kendrick2 | cya! |
| 22:52:54 | mickeyl | is leaving for a while... |
| 22:54:52 | angry | o'reilly books = good? |
| 22:55:26 | VerxHome | always |
| 23:13:46 | whardier | polka |
| 23:13:49 | whardier | I hate polka |
| 23:13:57 | tux_mike | of course you do |
| 23:13:57 | Cloudchaser | hiya whardier: :) |
| 23:14:04 | whardier | hi Cloudchaser :) |
| 23:14:39 | whardier | is scared of the wopn radio station |
| 23:15:04 | whardier | I am not all that musically aware when it comes to this style.. but.. it just sounds like bluegrass power polka |
| 23:15:17 | whardier | augh |
| 23:15:19 | whardier | yodelling |
| 23:15:36 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 23:16:02 | whardier | starts his polka counteractment agent |
| 23:16:05 | whardier | TooL |
| 23:17:52 | VerxHome | hrm |
| 23:17:55 | VerxHome | this is strange |
| 23:18:00 | VerxHome | I just made a new Qt project |
| 23:18:12 | VerxHome | and everything compiles fine except for a "close()" command I have |
| 23:18:18 | chouimat | rehi |
| 23:18:19 | VerxHome | it says "undeclared identifier" |
| 23:18:42 | VerxHome | oh |
| 23:18:44 | VerxHome | nevermind |
| 23:18:47 | VerxHome | I am just an idiot is all |
| 23:18:48 | VerxHome | :) |
| 23:19:56 | VerxHome | ok, the new app compiles |
| 23:20:28 | roge99_laptop | hello all |
| 23:20:38 | VerxHome | howdy |
| 23:20:43 | Cloudchaser | Neo|Work you here by chance? |
| 23:21:18 | Cloudchaser | purple blaster won't install to SD card :( |
| 23:23:44 | prpplague | purple blaster? |
| 23:23:55 | Cloudchaser | yes |
| 23:24:20 | prpplague | Cloudchaser: is that a game? |
| 23:24:28 | Neo|Work | Cloudchaser: I am |
| 23:24:35 | Neo|Work | and it doesn't? Hrm. |
| 23:24:48 | Neo|Work | Ah, probably because of the packaging... |
| 23:24:49 | Cloudchaser | prpplague: yes its a game |
| 23:24:52 | Neo|Work | I'll fix it later |
| 23:24:55 | Cloudchaser | ok :) |
| 23:25:10 | Cloudchaser | hey neo if you ever want me to test i'll be happy to |
| 23:25:25 | Cloudchaser | at least for installing and the like |
| 23:25:44 | Neo|Work | send me a mail and I'll add you to the beta list |
| 23:26:17 | | i heard Neo|Work was my local Zaurus tech support wienie... or NeoTron |
| 23:26:17 | Cloudchaser | ibot Neo|Work |
| 23:26:22 | Cloudchaser | lol |
| 23:26:34 | Neo|Work | makes you wonder |
| 23:27:40 | Neo|Work | david@eongames.com in either case |
| 23:30:29 | whardier | http://www.boners.com/grub/381575.html |
| 23:30:32 | whardier | hehehe |
| 23:32:02 | angry | Neo|Work: how long until RocketElite is released? |
| 23:33:03 | Neo|Work | 5 |
| 23:33:17 | angry | days? |
| 23:33:25 | Neo|Work | time units |
| 23:33:31 | angry | hehe |
| 23:33:43 | Neo|Work | calculated by taking the itme from now until the release and dividing by 5. :-) |
| 23:33:52 | angry | :-P |
| 23:34:14 | VerxHome | anyone know a quick way to change the background color of your application? |
| 23:34:22 | VerxHome | like the stuff behind the menu options |
| 23:34:26 | VerxHome | the color it has there |
| 23:34:42 | erikd | QChangeColorOfBackgroundWidgetObject |
| 23:34:50 | VerxHome | THANKS ERIKD! |
| 23:34:51 | erikd | ;) |
| 23:34:51 | VerxHome | :) |
| 23:34:53 | erikd | np |
| 23:34:59 | VerxHome | um |
| 23:35:04 | VerxHome | the compiler doesn't like that. :))) |
| 23:35:11 | erikd | oh, wait |
| 23:35:14 | erikd | i misspelled it |
| 23:35:27 | erikd | QChangeBackgroundColorOfAppWidgetObject |
| 23:35:28 | erikd | there |
| 23:36:04 | angry | holy scat i love interlibrary loans |
| 23:36:23 | angry | they have like every book i could want, and they transfer it for free over to my local library |
| 23:37:45 | prpplague | anyone run x on an ipaq right now? |
| 23:38:09 | erikd | verx: how 'bout setBackgroundColor( QColor& )? |
| 23:38:14 | erikd | for a qwidget |
| 23:39:28 | codemnky | hey kergoth |
| 23:39:45 | erikd | he's not here atm |
| 23:39:51 | codemnky | ok |
| 23:40:04 | roge99_laptop | sup codemnky |
| 23:40:09 | codemnky | i'm installing the openz 32-32 and it's been like 20 mins |
| 23:40:27 | roge99_laptop | codemnky: you got a 5500 ? |
| 23:40:29 | codemnky | it says it's wiping mtdrom |
| 23:40:35 | codemnky | 5000 |
| 23:40:42 | codemnky | wrong one? |
| 23:40:44 | roge99_laptop | ahhh wrong image |
| 23:40:49 | codemnky | darn it |
| 23:40:50 | kergoth | codemnky: read the readme again. |
| 23:40:53 | VerxHome | erikd: I was hoping not to have to do it to every single widget |
| 23:40:56 | roge99_laptop | hey kergoth |
| 23:40:58 | codemnky | damnit |
| 23:40:58 | VerxHome | but I suppose that might be necessary |
| 23:41:00 | kergoth | hey roger |
| 23:41:03 | kergoth | hey Verx |
| 23:41:04 | erikd | verx: oh |
| 23:41:05 | codemnky | i thought i could use this one |
| 23:41:06 | erikd | yeah |
| 23:41:44 | | prpplague: huh? |
| 23:41:44 | prpplague | ibot: digi problems |
| 23:41:47 | erikd | try: AllWidgetsInMyApp *pWidgets; pWidgets->setBackgroundColor( QColor& ); ;) |
| 23:41:48 | | call kergoth! |
| 23:41:48 | prpplague | ibot: digi problem |
| 23:41:51 | codemnky | wishes he had the 5500 |
| 23:41:53 | erikd | if only it worked like that, eh? |
| 23:41:54 | prpplague | kergoth: evening |
| 23:41:57 | kergoth | hey prpplague |
| 23:42:11 | erikd | codemnky: kergoth's back |
| 23:42:13 | erikd | :) |
| 23:42:17 | codemnky | heh |
| 23:42:27 | kergoth | codemnky: and i quote.. " File naming: zImage_X[-Y] ... If X+Y = 64, that kernel is 5500 only. If X+Y = 32, that kernel is 5000 only." |
| 23:42:44 | kergoth | codemnky: note: 32-32 .. 32 + 32 != 32 |
| 23:42:58 | raster | YOOOOOOOO |
| 23:43:02 | kergoth | hey raster |
| 23:43:04 | kergoth | how goes it |
| 23:43:12 | roge99_laptop | kergoth: oh scrap what i said earlier bout the suspend being fixed |
| 23:43:14 | raster | kergoth: not bad |
| 23:43:15 | codemnky | i'm dumb |
| 23:43:20 | kergoth | roge99_laptop: still no dice? |
| 23:43:21 | roge99_laptop | its doing it again :-( |
| 23:43:21 | raster | qwuickly checked out qdirectpainter |
| 23:43:26 | raster | very niiice |
| 23:43:26 | raster | :) |
| 23:43:27 | kergoth | roge99_laptop: weird. |
| 23:43:29 | raster | just whats needed |
| 23:43:42 | roge99_laptop | it does fix the annoying boot errors though |
| 23:43:44 | prpplague | kergoth: we got that server in today, we'll have a look at it tomorrow |
| 23:43:47 | kergoth | prpplague: cool |
| 23:43:50 | numatrix-Z | could someone help me with something? can you associate a mimetype with a program that doesnt have an icon? |
| 23:43:54 | kergoth | roge99_laptop: well, one thing at a time eh.. hm |
| 23:44:10 | kergoth | numatrix-Z: the association is made in the .desktop file. without a .desktop file, there is no association. |
| 23:44:22 | roge99_laptop | it does suspend .... somtimes |
| 23:44:26 | codemnky | kergoth what do you rec for me, 20-12 or 26-6 |
| 23:44:36 | roge99_laptop | its weird ... seems to have a mind of its own |
| 23:44:36 | kergoth | codemnky: 26-6 |
| 23:44:42 | numatrix-Z | bummer; any way to make an invisible desktop file |
| 23:44:43 | codemnky | ok |
| 23:44:55 | kergoth | roge99_laptop: oh dont ya just LOVE those random problems |
| 23:45:06 | Neo|Work | http://www.dig-concepts.com/index.php?tab=1&pr=5&sh=screenshots |
| 23:45:09 | Neo|Work | that looks really nice |
| 23:45:11 | roge99_laptop | ohhh yea |
| 23:45:16 | Neo|Work | looks really nice |
| 23:45:28 | Neo|Work | raster: glad it helped. :P |
| 23:45:46 | angry | interlibrary loan = my bitch |
| 23:46:00 | raster | Neo|Work: yup :) thanks :) |
| 23:46:14 | rikkus_ | raster: you have a home page these days ? I'd like to see what you're up to :) |
| 23:46:16 | kergoth | codemnky: also, quoted from INSTALL: "Recommendations: 5500, use the 40-24 kernel, 5000d, use the 26-6 kernel." |
| 23:46:24 | raster | rikkus_: rasterman.com :) |
| 23:46:34 | rikkus_ | raster: ah, should have guessed ;) |
| 23:46:36 | numatrix-Z | cripes, neo that link doesnt do so good on embedded opera. :-) |
| 23:46:36 | raster | rikkus_: i dont update it much. i should do some news actually. |
| 23:46:52 | codemnky | wow that's cool |
| 23:47:02 | rikkus_ | raster: seems to be down from here |
| 23:47:16 | codemnky | i got confused on the x+y |
| 23:47:19 | numatrix-Z | wow; it was worth the wait. |
| 23:47:23 | rikkus_ | wonders if his isp's transparent proxy is borked again |
| 23:47:24 | codemnky | i forget my 5000 is lame |
| 23:47:27 | raster | Neo|Work: the onyl problem is i've onyl gt playing wiht it on qvfb so i havent determined if the coords it give me aree pre or post rotation :) |
| 23:47:29 | Neo|Work | numatrix-Z: :) |
| 23:47:57 | raster | rikkus_: yeah. i noticed. need to chat to horms and see whatsup |
| 23:48:04 | rikkus_ | raster: k |
| 23:48:04 | Neo|Work | raster: ah. well I figure they are post (as shown on the display) rather than acutal in the memory buffer |
| 23:48:19 | Neo|Work | and with that I am heading to the book store and them home |
| 23:48:36 | Neo|Work | tonight I'll see if I can pull myself away from SMAC to do some coding. heh |
| 23:48:38 | Neo|Work | cieo |
| 23:48:44 | Neo|Work | is away: home |
| 23:48:59 | raster | cya |
| 23:49:18 | raster | Neo|Work: i'll find out... :) |
| 23:49:27 | numatrix-Z | neo: do you support grabbing application buttons with the new config? |
| 23:49:34 | numatrix-Z | doh |
| 23:52:11 | whardier | warning |
| 23:52:21 | Neo|Work | numatrix-Z: yes, the config tool allows you to do that |
| 23:52:30 | whardier | old school porn.. may = "50th Year Graduation Get Together" |
| 23:52:38 | Neo|Work | with the caveat that a restart of qtopia is needed to get them back |
| 23:54:08 | Neo|Work | and now I really live |
| 23:54:29 | raster | you live? |
| 23:54:30 | raster | WOW! |
| 23:54:32 | raster | never! |
| 23:54:33 | raster | :) |
| 23:54:47 | kergoth | raster: smartass :-) |
| 23:54:58 | raster | kergoth: yup :) |
| 23:55:06 | Harlekin | ah raster |
| 23:55:10 | Harlekin | raster: hows the port doing |
| 23:56:09 | raster | Harlekin: well. wrote a qtopia app. it gets expose (paint) events, mouse and kbd, and i've gotten qdirectpainter to work and give me info. that's as far as it's gone sofar. i'll ned up using qdirectpainter due to performance issues in qt. |
| 23:57:19 | numatrix-Z | Neo: do you have to disable their function yourself first in the settings, or does the config do that automatically? |
| 23:57:47 | rikkus_ | wonders whether the apocalypse has been and gone, or raster isn't really programming in C++ |
| 23:57:57 | rikkus_ | must be Python. Must be. |
| 23:58:04 | kergoth | hah |
| 23:58:30 | raster | rikkus_: hahahahahahah only just as much c+ as necessary |
| 23:58:31 | raster | :) |
| 23:58:58 | rikkus_ | raster: ah, so the 'UNIX-based object model' is still king ? :) |
| 23:59:21 | rikkus_ | remembers something about pipes or sockets or something |
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