| 00:00:23 | angrybsd | i think dells are sexy |
| 00:00:31 | angrybsd | but they dont always have the best prices |
| 00:00:36 | angrybsd | esp. when compared to building your own |
| 00:00:39 | hunger | angrybsd: I'm not too happy with mine. |
| 00:00:54 | angrybsd | hunger: is it a newish one |
| 00:01:03 | hunger | angrybsd: My inspiron's case sucks. |
| 00:01:32 | angrybsd | hunger: heh, they've like "retired" the inspirion or something |
| 00:01:33 | angrybsd | lol |
| 00:01:35 | hunger | angrybsd: So do the more expensive Latitude ones (which use basically the same case anyway). |
| 00:01:45 | nadav | www.pcusa.com has some nice prices.. and they're only 30 minutes away |
| 00:01:58 | hunger | angrybsd: Well, it's 'only' 8 month old. |
| 00:02:44 | angrybsd | hunger: do dells use regular parts? like is the motherboard a standard atx |
| 00:02:53 | hunger | angrybsd: If you decide on a dell, get the minimal configuration and buy the add-ons elsewhere. |
| 00:03:09 | hunger | angrybsd: Dunno... this is a laptop;-) |
| 00:03:36 | angrybsd | hunger: ahh lol |
| 00:03:45 | hunger | angrybsd: I payed less for 2 256MB sticks then Dell charges for the upgrade to 256MB (from 128MB) when I bought this laptop. |
| 00:04:02 | angrybsd | hunger: i built my own desktop |
| 00:04:11 | angrybsd | hunger: its nice knowing that i can always expand instead of buying a whole new one |
| 00:04:15 | hunger | angrybsd: And I could sell the memory that came with the box too. |
| 00:04:30 | hunger | angrybsd: Same for the harddrive... |
| 00:04:30 | angrybsd | hunger: hehe |
| 00:05:05 | angrybsd | i got 256mb sandisk cf for $60 today :) |
| 00:05:16 | codemnky | theif |
| 00:05:26 | angrybsd | from amazon |
| 00:05:31 | angrybsd | brand spankin new :-D |
| 00:05:31 | hunger | angrybsd: I'm not really happy with dell... too expensive, damn expensive if they break (at least here in germany), not very good craftsmanship. |
| 00:05:31 | nadav | heh |
| 00:05:41 | angrybsd | except i have to do one $20 rebate once it comes |
| 00:05:42 | angrybsd | :( |
| 00:05:53 | hunger | angrybsd: I won't get another computer from them. |
| 00:06:33 | angrybsd | hunger: yeah, i dont think their laptops are anything special |
| 00:06:53 | angrybsd | hunger: then again, i've never bought a laptop myself :) |
| 00:07:10 | hunger | angrybsd: The specs are nice... and I absolutly love the 1600x1200 TFT screen! |
| 00:07:37 | hunger | angrybsd: 3x3 terminals in a decent size on one workspace;-) |
| 00:09:23 | angrybsd | sweet :) |
| 00:09:42 | angrybsd | were you able to get linux working on that without any problems? |
| 00:10:11 | hunger | angrybsd: It's a GeForce graphics card. So it's the usual hassle to get the drivers from nvidia. |
| 00:10:38 | angrybsd | hunger: ohh, your distro didnt have the driver built in? |
| 00:11:00 | hunger | angrybsd: Debian... won't have non-free drivers build into the core system. |
| 00:11:17 | hunger | angrybsd: But it's easy to add: apt-get install nvidia-something iirc. |
| 00:11:18 | kergoth | hunger: apt-get install nvidia-kernel-src nvidia-glx-src; |
| 00:11:21 | kergoth | yeh |
| 00:11:22 | kergoth | :-) |
| 00:11:25 | jmhodges | lin NVIDIA_kernel NVIDIA_GLX |
| 00:12:03 | angrybsd | yay debian |
| 00:12:17 | hunger | kergoth: I might be hacking on some fscking crosscompiler for a couple of weeks, but I know my debian system at home;-) |
| 00:12:57 | nadav | ok, off for now |
| 00:12:59 | nadav | cya |
| 00:14:15 | jmhodges | heya W|GG |
| 00:14:17 | jmhodges | heya W|GGL|T |
| 00:14:31 | angrybsd | hi W|GGL|T |
| 00:19:06 | kergoth | hunger: :-) |
| 00:19:19 | kergoth | hey W|GG |
| 00:19:25 | kergoth | L|T |
| 00:19:27 | kergoth | damn enter |
| 00:19:42 | jmhodges | ehhe |
| 00:20:39 | hunger | kergoth: Ah, the joy! |
| 00:20:46 | hunger | kergoth: Just hosed my Z again. |
| 00:20:54 | VerxHomeWorking | I am having something really weird happen |
| 00:21:12 | VerxHomeWorking | the properties of a button show it has the same X value as other buttons (in Qt Designer) |
| 00:21:14 | VerxHomeWorking | but it doesn't |
| 00:21:22 | VerxHomeWorking | it is VERY clearly at a different X value. . . |
| 00:21:52 | hunger | kergoth: Never mess with libc if you do not know what you are doing;-) |
| 00:21:58 | VerxHomeWorking | oh well, I nuked it and made a new one |
| 00:22:03 | kergoth | hunger: lol.. i learned that lesson once already.... |
| 00:22:21 | hunger | kergoth: I can use cd, no other command works. |
| 00:23:09 | kergoth | hunger: ouch |
| 00:23:21 | kergoth | hunger: maybe you should staticly link busybox and ipkg during testing ;-) |
| 00:23:39 | angryBSD- | whys there more than one of me :( |
| 00:23:45 | angryBSD- | brb |
| 00:24:04 | hunger | kergoth: Ah, flash time... |
| 00:24:14 | hunger | kergoth: Does no longer boot up. |
| 00:24:17 | kergoth | ouch |
| 00:24:21 | prpplague | fun |
| 00:24:35 | kergoth | seriously, i'd staticly link busybox, tinylogin, and ipkg for testing purposes |
| 00:24:36 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:24:48 | prpplague | kergoth: is it normal for the green mail light to flash when in suspend mode? |
| 00:25:10 | kergoth | prpplague: seems to do that for me only when i'm not in opie/qpe, but when i'm in console |
| 00:25:13 | kergoth | prpplague: dunno why |
| 00:26:33 | angryBSD- | damnit why does it say im connected |
| 00:26:39 | kergoth | angryBSD-: ? |
| 00:26:49 | angryBSD- | it says angrybsd and angryBSD- are connected |
| 00:26:58 | angryBSD- | brb again :) |
| 00:27:32 | hunger | kergoth: These are the moments I am so happy that I have all my data on a SD card:-) |
| 00:30:10 | VerxHomeWorking | is it relatively easy to embed icons into a binary? |
| 00:30:21 | VerxHomeWorking | (I need some icons in an app I am writing) |
| 00:33:41 | ljp | heh try that with windows... :) |
| 00:36:59 | hunger | kergoth: I did not remember that flashing took so long! |
| 00:37:44 | ljp | oz? |
| 00:40:15 | angryBSD- | thank god for servers that kick my alter ego |
| 00:40:27 | angrybsd | ahh there we go |
| 00:42:10 | BZFlag | angrybsd: you know you can "ghost" an old connection, right? |
| 00:42:44 | prpplague | BZFlag: when did you sneak in? |
| 00:42:53 | BZFlag | prpplague: just now. ;-) |
| 00:43:44 | prpplague | BZFlag: thanks mdz we have a replacement ztsd app |
| 00:44:09 | BZFlag | mdz? ztsd? |
| 00:44:32 | angrybsd | BZFlag: ghost? :) |
| 00:44:45 | BZFlag | angrybsd: /msg nickserv help ghost |
| 00:44:51 | prpplague | BZFlag: ztsd is the z to ipaq touch screen translator for x |
| 00:45:02 | prpplague | BZFlag: part of the code we were missing from fastolfe |
| 00:46:34 | BZFlag | nice |
| 00:47:00 | angrybsd | ahh okay, thanks BZFlag |
| 00:47:03 | BZFlag | perhaps kergoth will make the ts the same as the ipaq? |
| 00:47:19 | kergoth | BZFlag: yeah its on my ever growing todo list |
| 00:47:54 | BZFlag | cool |
| 00:48:00 | prpplague | BZFlag: yes we discussed that yesterday |
| 00:48:14 | prpplague | BZFlag: i've volunteered for some work on that |
| 00:48:16 | VerxHomeWorking | is it like incredibly evil to now use layouts? |
| 00:49:00 | kergoth | VerxHomeWorking: hmmm? people use layouts all the time, its the only way to properly lay out your UI |
| 00:49:18 | VerxHomeWorking | so it is evil to not use them it sounds like |
| 00:49:22 | BZFlag | nice. I'm holding the 7 month old so typing is slow here. |
| 00:49:50 | VerxHomeWorking | Is there a way I can take a sec of buttons that I have layed out PERFECTLY how I want them in designer, and add a layout that doesn't screw with how the buttons are set up? |
| 00:50:02 | kergoth | BZFlag: flash hates me. |
| 00:50:04 | kergoth | Write error in obliterating obsoleted node at 0x00a96b7c: -30 |
| 00:50:04 | kergoth | waiting for chip to be ready timed out in read. WSM status = e0011985 |
| 00:50:04 | kergoth | error -5 reading node at 0x000052ac in get_inode_nodes() |
| 00:50:04 | kergoth | jffs2_get_inode_nodes() for ino 1 returned -5 |
| 00:50:04 | kergoth | get root inode failed |
| 00:50:04 | hunger | Guess who did it again... *sigh* |
| 00:50:22 | kergoth | hunger: man, i'm telling you.. staticly link the critical stuff so you can play with libc |
| 00:50:25 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:50:36 | hunger | kergoth: That's for cowards:-) |
| 00:50:44 | kergoth | hunger: hah |
| 00:52:12 | whardier | has been drinking |
| 00:52:13 | whardier | bah |
| 00:52:14 | whardier | naptime |
| 00:52:19 | ljp | ha |
| 00:53:29 | mdz_ | hunger: install sash, then |
| 00:53:40 | VerxHomeWorking | yeah, the layout will NOT allow me to do what I can do without layouts |
| 00:53:49 | VerxHomeWorking | abandons layouts |
| 00:54:23 | kergoth | mdz_: sash? |
| 00:54:33 | hunger | kergoth: stand alone shell. |
| 00:54:40 | mdz_ | kergoth: statically linked shell with recovery tools built-in |
| 00:54:44 | kergoth | ah |
| 00:54:57 | kergoth | pfft, just staticly link busybox :-) |
| 00:55:02 | hunger | kergoth: My default root-shell on my bigger boxes. |
| 00:55:15 | mdz_ | kergoth: 482k statically linked |
| 00:55:41 | mdz_ | kergoth: and includes tar, mount, umount, find, dd, plus a lot of what is in busybox |
| 00:56:50 | kergoth | gah, i hate fractured development effort, i really do |
| 00:57:01 | kergoth | stupid winex cvs. |
| 00:57:02 | kergoth | cmdlgr.rc:57:20: Error: parse error |
| 00:57:45 | BZFlag | is back... |
| 00:58:08 | BZFlag | kergoth: sheesh. any progress? can you write one block now? |
| 00:58:25 | BZFlag | mdz: that't _huge_ compared to busybox. |
| 00:58:31 | hunger | kergoth: Hmmm... this libc6 ipk is 500 byte big. |
| 00:58:58 | mdz_ | hunger: that's some compression |
| 00:59:06 | BZFlag | would be nice to convert OZ to uclibc. ;-) |
| 00:59:18 | prpplague | wow, dejavu |
| 00:59:18 | mdz_ | BZFlag: that's big compared to standard busybox, but not static |
| 00:59:21 | BZFlag | hunger: big? or biggeR? |
| 00:59:36 | hunger | mdz_: Yes, ipk-creation time compression: I forgot to put something into the package. |
| 00:59:41 | BZFlag | mdz_: even static. |
| 01:00:11 | mdz_ | BZFlag: statically linked i386 busybox with everything is 900k |
| 01:00:32 | angrybsd | how do you check rom image version? |
| 01:00:34 | mdz_ | almost twice as big |
| 01:00:35 | BZFlag | ok, with everything, yes. now pick the same tools you have included and compare that. |
| 01:00:37 | kergoth | mdz_: so dont build everything. the point is you can customize it |
| 01:00:40 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:01:24 | prpplague | BZFlag: uClibc is on my plate as well to play with on the oz build |
| 01:01:26 | kergoth | BZFlag: no, even an attempt to mount it readwrite results in the mtd layer dumping errorse about -30 (-EROFS) still.. its probably something little i'm overlooking. i need to take a break from it and come back later, or get a fresh set of eyes. heheh |
| 01:01:32 | BZFlag | and if you are making it static, linking to glibc is not the best choice. |
| 01:01:35 | mdz_ | sash works when everything is broken, even if you can't execute programs at all |
| 01:01:39 | mdz_ | it doesn't even fork |
| 01:02:21 | mdz_ | kergoth: is your tree up somewhere for public access? |
| 01:02:23 | BZFlag | mdz_: also one of the busybox options. ;-) |
| 01:03:07 | BZFlag | kergoth: you should put your current patch up someplace so others can check it out. |
| 01:03:10 | mdz_ | BZFlag: I'm not arguing against busybox, I use it. They solve different problems |
| 01:04:01 | BZFlag | mdz_: hmm. I keep a static bb on many of my systems for just the same purpose that you seem to use your's for. I don't see that as a different issuse at all. |
| 01:04:15 | kergoth | BZFlag: yeah i should. i've got a BK tree up, though i probably should push a few things up to it. |
| 01:04:34 | kergoth | mdz_: yeah, i've got a bk tree for this |
| 01:04:42 | kergoth | mdz_: on bkbits.net, that is |
| 01:05:24 | BZFlag | mdz_: but's it's an open world. use what you like. ;-) |
| 01:06:40 | angrybsd | is it possible to IR message exchange with palm pilots? |
| 01:06:43 | VerxHome | is there anyone here that has ever played Dungeons and Dragons? |
| 01:06:48 | angrybsd | or text files through IR to palm OS |
| 01:07:06 | angrybsd | or pocketPC OS handhelds? |
| 01:07:15 | mdz_ | kergoth: what's the name of the bk repository? |
| 01:07:25 | hunger | VerxHome: A long long time ago in a galaxy far far away. |
| 01:07:25 | BZFlag | wonders when andersee will review and commit his bb init patch. |
| 01:07:31 | kergoth | mdz_: http://linux-cl.bkbits.net/ |
| 01:07:39 | kergoth | BZFlag: what changed in busybox init? |
| 01:07:43 | BZFlag | angrybsd: yes, that't the obex stuff. |
| 01:07:51 | kergoth | mdz_: linux-arm-2.5-collie is the tree |
| 01:07:58 | | Check out Open OBEX at http://www.ravioli.pasta.cs.uit.no/open-obex/ |
| 01:07:58 | angrybsd | ibot, obex |
| 01:08:02 | mdz_ | kergoth: thanks |
| 01:08:02 | kergoth | mdz_: I'll check and see if i need to push another changeset up to it |
| 01:08:13 | VerxHome | hrm, brb |
| 01:08:19 | BZFlag | kergoth: I got sick of the "serial console detected, disabling virtual consoles" message |
| 01:08:25 | mdz_ | kergoth: what's in the 2.4 tree? |
| 01:08:43 | kergoth | mdz_: nothing, yet. I was going to start on it to take a break from this issue :-) |
| 01:08:50 | kergoth | BZFlag: ahh.. |
| 01:08:51 | BZFlag | kergoth: so I changed it so that each virtual terminal is dependant on its own device. |
| 01:09:04 | kergoth | BZFlag: nice |
| 01:09:06 | angrybsd | BZFlag: has OBEX been ported to the Z? is there a binary ipk i can get? |
| 01:09:25 | kergoth | angrybsd: theres openobex packages in the oZ feed. |
| 01:09:32 | kergoth | angrybsd: also the familiar packages would likely work |
| 01:09:34 | | oz3 feed is at http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/3.0/ |
| 01:09:34 | kergoth | ibot: oz3 feed? |
| 01:10:08 | kergoth | angrybsd: note: if you're on a sharp rom, DONT install anything directly from the feed, you'll regret it. :-) |
| 01:10:17 | kergoth | angrybsd: wget & cp |
| 01:10:17 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:10:27 | angrybsd | kergoth: :) |
| 01:13:15 | | angrybsd: huh? |
| 01:13:15 | angrybsd | ibot, remote desktop |
| 01:13:26 | | hmmm... keypebble is a Virtual Network Computing (VNC) viewer and can be ound at http://qpe.sourceforge.net/packages/ipaq/unstable/Packages |
| 01:13:26 | angrybsd | ibot, keypebble |
| 01:13:43 | | i guess vnc is virtual network computing (see http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/). It runs on the iPAQ with fbvnc at http://www.w-m-p.com/ipaq/fbvnc.html |
| 01:13:43 | angrybsd | ibot, vnc |
| 01:14:45 | ToyKeeper | Hmm. I'm trying to figure out why data on a MMC card keeps getting corrupted. |
| 01:15:56 | angrybsd | can you do VNC over the internet or only over LAN |
| 01:16:28 | kergoth | angrybsd: vnc is tcp. you can use it over any tcp/ip connection, regardless of the medium |
| 01:16:43 | angrybsd | kergoth: ok |
| 01:16:46 | kergoth | s/is tcp/uses tcp/ |
| 01:16:48 | kergoth | blah |
| 01:17:01 | erikd | yeah, but it might be slow over the net (depending on the connection) |
| 01:17:18 | prpplague | mdz_: hmm, looks like i've fudged something on my 4.1 build |
| 01:17:28 | darienm|away | angrybsd Get the Z on the network? |
| 01:17:28 | angrybsd | im just interested in trying to remote my desktop from school using the Z, keypebble, 802.11b card :) |
| 01:17:35 | erikd | and i still haven't gotten my QLists working =/ |
| 01:17:40 | angrybsd | darienm: nope, no luck |
| 01:17:53 | erikd | hey darien |
| 01:18:00 | darienm | waves! |
| 01:18:02 | angrybsd | darienm: i may be getting an 802.11b card sometime soon, though |
| 01:18:28 | angrybsd | darienm: i think just being able to sync is fine for now |
| 01:18:49 | darienm | angrybsd, sure we can revisit network some other time |
| 01:19:10 | angrybsd | darienm, yep, thanks for all the help in getting the syncing and stuff setup :) |
| 01:20:14 | ToyKeeper | BTW, is there any reason why /usr and /opt could not be moved completely onto an MMC disk? |
| 01:20:20 | mdz_ | prpplague: what's wrong? |
| 01:22:28 | prpplague | mdz_: you build goes through, but the Xfbdev is never built |
| 01:22:43 | prpplague | mdz_: guess i've missed something |
| 01:22:51 | BZFlag | ToyKeeper: on suspend, the Z tries to umount the mmc and if there are binaries in use from there, then the umount fails and filesystem corruption begins. |
| 01:22:57 | angrybsd | does anyone ever run a dedicated BNETD server? |
| 01:23:11 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 01:23:13 | jmhodges | nope |
| 01:23:19 | jmhodges | is the code back up on the site? |
| 01:23:35 | ToyKeeper | Hmm. |
| 01:23:37 | Speedy2 | re |
| 01:23:38 | angrybsd | jmhodges: nope, all you really need to do is compile from their CVS :) |
| 01:23:43 | kergoth | hey Speedy2 |
| 01:23:49 | kergoth | god i hate autoconf and automake |
| 01:23:50 | Speedy2 | kergoth: My man! What's the word? |
| 01:23:52 | BZFlag | ToyKeeper: for example, if you install tkcJabber on there, then the taskbar module is in use all the time even when tckJabber is not running and so corruption will happen all the time too. |
| 01:23:52 | angrybsd | jmhodges: i guess blizzard was too stupid to notice that we could compile from that |
| 01:23:59 | Speedy2 | BZFlag: Shouldn't you be gone? |
| 01:24:01 | kergoth | Speedy2: nada, takin it easy. you? |
| 01:24:02 | ToyKeeper | What does it do to battery life if you don't let it unmount mmc stuff on suspend? |
| 01:24:08 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Need to do some work. |
| 01:24:17 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Think I know how to eliminate my switching noise. |
| 01:24:25 | kergoth | Speedy2: nice |
| 01:24:27 | BZFlag | Speedy2: visa issues. resolved now, but the trip to india is postponed. probably in 2 weeks. |
| 01:24:30 | jmhodges | hehehe angrybsd |
| 01:24:38 | Speedy2 | BZFlag: "I see sirrrr" |
| 01:24:46 | kergoth | ./configure: line 1207: `AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE(giFT, $VERSION)' |
| 01:24:48 | kergoth | grrr |
| 01:24:54 | kergoth | syntax error |
| 01:25:00 | Speedy2 | kergoth: What is being auto-confed? |
| 01:25:03 | BZFlag | ToyKeeper: it's just not likely to resume correctly and get the state the same. |
| 01:25:04 | kergoth | anyone know where AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE is defined? |
| 01:25:06 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Did SNAV do the job>? |
| 01:25:09 | kergoth | Speedy2: giFT |
| 01:25:18 | kergoth | Speedy2: yeah, snav is prety sweet. i'll have to get used to using it |
| 01:25:21 | Speedy2 | :( |
| 01:25:22 | Speedy2 | :) |
| 01:25:41 | Speedy2 | Ok, I googled, and didn't find info, what is giFT ? |
| 01:25:42 | hunger | SNAV? |
| 01:25:49 | ToyKeeper | Speedy2: gift.sf.net |
| 01:25:51 | Speedy2 | hunger: Source Navigator. (Check Sourceforge) |
| 01:26:11 | Speedy2 | Ahh, I see. |
| 01:26:13 | Speedy2 | Thanks ToyKeeper |
| 01:26:23 | BZFlag | ToyKeeper: that clearly could be improved, but it's a deep internal issue with linux. |
| 01:26:34 | ToyKeeper | Hmm. |
| 01:26:44 | ToyKeeper | I'm trying to rethink what I wanted to use MMC for now. :) |
| 01:26:59 | Speedy2 | For anything? |
| 01:27:11 | BZFlag | I just don't put any binaries on there that I leave running. |
| 01:27:17 | angrybsd | What is diff about MMC from SD? |
| 01:27:26 | Speedy2 | They both suck? |
| 01:27:31 | hunger | Speedy2: source navigator gets me tons of hits on SF, snav has just one: USNavy. |
| 01:27:32 | BZFlag | I have tkcJabber on mine, but I removed the taskbar modules. |
| 01:27:47 | Speedy2 | hunger: I know, but it's been abbreviated "snav" |
| 01:28:05 | kergoth | argh |
| 01:28:08 | BZFlag | hunger: try "source navigator" on google |
| 01:28:08 | kergoth | building a command line app |
| 01:28:17 | kergoth | that uses a autoconf macro from gtk headers |
| 01:28:17 | kergoth | wtf? |
| 01:28:23 | Speedy2 | kergoth: WTF indeed. |
| 01:28:38 | hunger | BZFlag: You said that while I was just doing it:-) |
| 01:28:44 | BZFlag | heh |
| 01:28:51 | kergoth | Speedy2: man xref in snav is quite useful |
| 01:29:25 | jmhodges | um.. snav? website? |
| 01:29:25 | ToyKeeper | I suppose I can at least put /usr/share on there... and various other stuff. |
| 01:29:40 | ToyKeeper | Helps a bit, but it'd be nice to just dump /opt and /usr completely. |
| 01:29:58 | | ToyKeeper: i'm not following you... |
| 01:29:58 | ToyKeeper | ibot: sshd |
| 01:30:21 | Speedy2 | SNAV == Source Navigator |
| 01:30:31 | ToyKeeper | Hmm. Wondering about ssh-keygen for /etc/ssh/ sshd keys... |
| 01:30:32 | jmhodges | oh |
| 01:30:52 | | ssh-keygen is something you need to run to setup my ipaq's host keys. To do this run the following on my ipaq:'/usr/bin/ssh-keygen -b 1024 -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key -N ""' and '/usr/bin/ssh-keygen -d -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key -N ""' |
| 01:30:52 | BZFlag | ibot ssh-keygen |
| 01:31:18 | jmhodges | intriguing guys |
| 01:31:38 | BZFlag | ToyKeeper: I have sshd and the keys in ram so I can always ssh in, but ssh, ssh-keygen scp etc are all on mtd. |
| 01:31:41 | Speedy2 | http://sourcenav.sourceforge.net/ |
| 01:31:46 | | OK, Speedy2. |
| 01:31:46 | Speedy2 | ibot: snav is http://sourcenav.sourceforge.net/ |
| 01:31:49 | BZFlag | I also run sshd out of inetd to save memory. |
| 01:31:51 | kergoth | jmhodges: it has a useful cross reference function for browsing source trees |
| 01:31:55 | | OK, Speedy2. |
| 01:31:55 | Speedy2 | ibot: Source Navigator is http://sourcenav.sourceforge.net/ |
| 01:32:01 | kergoth | similar to lxr |
| 01:32:01 | jmhodges | kergoth: yah just looked it up |
| 01:32:02 | | source navigator is http://sourcenav.sourceforge.net/ |
| 01:32:02 | Speedy2 | ibot: source navigator? |
| 01:32:02 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:32:08 | | hmmm... snav is http://sourcenav.sourceforge.net/ |
| 01:32:08 | Speedy2 | ibot: snav ? |
| 01:32:08 | jmhodges | kergoth: that looks sweet |
| 01:32:20 | jmhodges | wonders if theres a bash plugin ;) |
| 01:32:30 | Speedy2 | ok |
| 01:32:33 | Speedy2 | Now ibot knows |
| 01:32:38 | Speedy2 | But...he knows too much.... |
| 01:32:51 | BZFlag | iot jargon good thing |
| 01:32:55 | | i guess jargon good thing is n.,adj. Often capitalized; always pronounced as if capitalized. 1. Self-evidently wonderful to anyone in a position to notice "The Trailblazer's 19.2Kbaud PEP mode with on-the-fly Lempel-Ziv compression is a Good Thing for sites relaying netnews." 2. Something that can't See: Good Thing2 |
| 01:32:55 | BZFlag | ibot jargon good thing |
| 01:33:09 | jmhodges | ooo didnt know ibot could do jargon! |
| 01:33:19 | | Speedy2: i'm not following you... |
| 01:33:19 | Speedy2 | ibot jargon death |
| 01:33:22 | | jmhodges: excuse me? |
| 01:33:22 | jmhodges | ibot jargon bitrot |
| 01:33:24 | | BZFlag: excuse me? |
| 01:33:24 | BZFlag | ibot zip 80058 |
| 01:33:28 | | jargon bit rot is n. Also {bit decay}. Hypothetical disease the existence of which has been deduced from the observation that unused programs or features will often stop working after sufficient time has passed, even if `nothing has changed'. The theory explains that bits decay as if they See: bit rot2 |
| 01:33:28 | jmhodges | ibot jargon bit rot |
| 01:33:32 | | somebody said zip 84058 was Orem Utah UT |
| 01:33:32 | BZFlag | ibot zip 84058 |
| 01:33:41 | | i think zip 75080 is Richardson Dallas TX |
| 01:33:41 | Speedy2 | ibot zip 75080 |
| 01:33:43 | VerxHome | oh shit |
| 01:33:48 | VerxHome | I just realized something |
| 01:33:48 | | zip 47401 is Bloomington Monroe IN |
| 01:33:48 | jmhodges | ibot zip 47401 |
| 01:33:50 | Speedy2 | Hey Verx |
| 01:33:54 | VerxHome | hello speedy2 |
| 01:33:57 | jmhodges | uh.. that ones wrong |
| 01:34:07 | jmhodges | its Monroe County, BLooming, IN |
| 01:34:11 | jmhodges | er.. |
| 01:34:12 | jmhodges | dammit |
| 01:34:16 | jmhodges | bloomington |
| 01:34:17 | Speedy2 | Too bad warmi isn't here...he was saying how a stray bullet fired in an airplane couldn't cause decompression |
| 01:34:25 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 01:34:27 | BZFlag | jmhodges: that is the county field. |
| 01:34:27 | VerxHome | could someone explain to me how Qt/E apps do the magic for when people pop up an input method? How do I make sure my program supports that? |
| 01:34:30 | Speedy2 | I mentioned if only Verx were here to set things straight |
| 01:34:35 | jmhodges | BZFlag: really? k |
| 01:34:36 | jmhodges | :) |
| 01:35:22 | | weathercode kpvu is Provo Municipal (Provo Municipal) |
| 01:35:22 | BZFlag | ibot weathercode kpvu |
| 01:35:44 | | BZFlag: Something failed in connecting to the NOAA web server. Try again later. |
| 01:35:44 | BZFlag | ibot weather kpvu |
| 01:35:44 | VerxHome | speedy2, what would I set things straight about? |
| 01:35:44 | VerxHome | scrolls back |
| 01:36:09 | Speedy2 | VerxHome: Umm, that a bullet could indeed cause decompression. |
| 01:36:14 | VerxHome | oh |
| 01:36:18 | VerxHome | yeah, quite |
| 01:36:21 | jmhodges | yes! |
| 01:36:25 | jmhodges | victory shall be mine! |
| 01:36:27 | jmhodges | :) |
| 01:36:34 | ToyKeeper | Oh, er, fixme for ... someone. "stty erase ^?" in bash's startup, or set the right terminal type for the opie-terminal. :) |
| 01:36:36 | BZFlag | provided the bullet pierced the shell, sure |
| 01:36:39 | angrybsd | A WEATHER APPLICATION |
| 01:36:47 | VerxHome | is there anyone here that has written a Qt/E app that I can talk to? Super simple question. . . |
| 01:36:55 | angrybsd | An application that retrieves the weather from a server |
| 01:37:00 | jmhodges | yes? |
| 01:37:05 | | BZFlag: (KPVU) 40-13N 111-43W; Conditions at; last updated: Conditions at; Dew Point: 46 F (8 C); Heat index: 93 F (34 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.85 in. Hg (1010 hPa); Pressure tendency: 0.01 inches (0.5 hPa) lower than three hours ago; Relative Humidity: 26%; Sky conditions: clear; Temperature: 84 F (29 C); Visibility: 10 mile(s); Wind: from the N (010 degrees) at 5 MPH (4 KT) |
| 01:37:05 | BZFlag | ibot weather kpvu |
| 01:37:08 | VerxHome | could someone explain to me how Qt/E apps do the magic for when people pop up an input method? How do I make sure my program supports that? |
| 01:37:09 | Speedy2 | VerxHome: Too bad warmi isn't also here, since he could help with that too :| |
| 01:37:10 | angrybsd | would they like that for the challenge? |
| 01:37:32 | Speedy2 | VerxHome: Have you tried a KDE channel (too) ? |
| 01:37:45 | VerxHome | I don't think KDE has to deal with it |
| 01:37:47 | BZFlag | VerxHome: I though text input areas trigger that automagically? |
| 01:38:18 | VerxHome | Speedy2: What I am talking about is how programs sortof move themselves up on the screen so you can see what you are editting while the input method is visible |
| 01:38:39 | kergoth | ToyKeeper: what terminal type should it set it to? |
| 01:39:07 | BZFlag | VerxHome: hmm. not sure on that, perhaps you get a resize event? I've not messed with that part. |
| 01:39:42 | VerxHome | BZFlag: I haven't messed with it either, but my app is going to need it |
| 01:39:46 | BZFlag | ToyKeeper: which shell are you useing? bash? ash? bb ash? |
| 01:39:56 | BZFlag | VerxHome: try it and see? ;-) |
| 01:39:57 | ToyKeeper | kergoth: I'm not sure; haven't tested yet. |
| 01:40:29 | ToyKeeper | I just flashed on the latest OZ files, and noticed that its default isn't quite right. |
| 01:40:40 | | BZFlag: i'm not following you... |
| 01:40:40 | BZFlag | ibot oldtest timothy |
| 01:40:47 | BZFlag | hmm. |
| 01:40:58 | Speedy2 | VerxPaste: I understand. My apologies for not being able to help...QT/E is not my bag. |
| 01:41:00 | Speedy2 | err |
| 01:41:02 | Speedy2 | VerxHome |
| 01:41:10 | VerxHome | heh |
| 01:42:25 | BZFlag | ibot airport blr |
| 01:42:25 | | BZFlag: That doesn't look right. Try 'airport code for CITY' or 'airport name for CODE' instead. |
| 01:42:41 | BZFlag | ibot airport code for blr |
| 01:42:49 | BZFlag | ibot airport name for blr |
| 01:42:52 | | BZFlag: I can't seem to access my airport data -- perhaps try again later. |
| 01:43:00 | | BZFlag: I can't seem to access my airport data -- perhaps try again later. |
| 01:43:47 | | area code 716 is, like, Buffalo, Niagara Falls and Rochester, New York |
| 01:43:47 | BZFlag | ibot area code 716 |
| 01:43:47 | VerxHome | if I want to derive from QWindow instead of QDialog, I just change QDialog to QWindow? Or is there more to it than that? |
| 01:44:19 | | BZFlag: excuse me? |
| 01:44:19 | BZFlag | ibot knows a lot. he needs an eliza interface though. ;-) |
| 01:44:38 | BZFlag | even useless stuff |
| 01:44:51 | | atrap a047 is Toolbox call: _SetTrapAddress |
| 01:44:51 | BZFlag | ibot atrap a047 |
| 01:45:06 | | dos xcopy is (External) XCOPY [d:][path]filename [d:][path][filename] [/A][/D:(date)] [/E][/M][/P][/S][/V][/W][Y\ directories, subdirectories, and files. |
| 01:45:06 | BZFlag | ibot dos xcopy |
| 01:45:18 | jmhodges | atrap ? |
| 01:45:23 | | jmhodges: i'm not following you... |
| 01:45:23 | jmhodges | ibot atrap |
| 01:45:23 | Speedy2 | BZFlag: Having fun, aren't we? |
| 01:45:25 | BZFlag | mac toolbox |
| 01:45:28 | jmhodges | shrugs |
| 01:45:31 | jmhodges | ooh k |
| 01:45:36 | ToyKeeper | Wow. Who taught ibot about dos? |
| 01:45:49 | BZFlag | was bored the other day. |
| 01:45:56 | | i heard country .nl was netherlands |
| 01:45:56 | BZFlag | ibot country .nl |
| 01:46:06 | CloudChaser | hiya everyone |
| 01:46:13 | jmhodges | nice BZFlag |
| 01:46:18 | | i guess owner is BZFlag on a host run by Tangent |
| 01:46:18 | jmhodges | ibot owner |
| 01:46:22 | jmhodges | right good |
| 01:46:26 | | i guess example html <title> is <TITLE> title-text </TITLE> |
| 01:46:26 | BZFlag | ibot example html <title> |
| 01:46:27 | jmhodges | thinks that keeps getting changed |
| 01:46:33 | jmhodges | BZFlag: damn nice |
| 01:46:34 | | i think example html <form> is <FORM ACTION=action base> form tags </FORM> & <FORM METHOD=method> form tags </FORM> & <FORM ENCTYPE=media type> form tags </FORM> |
| 01:46:34 | BZFlag | ibot example html <form> |
| 01:46:43 | ToyKeeper | Hmm. I don't suppose it would help to force a sync before and after suspend, would it? |
| 01:47:02 | jmhodges | BZFlag: you need to add those to the 'help' call :) |
| 01:47:03 | BZFlag | the Z kernel has sync forced al the time. |
| 01:47:14 | BZFlag | jmhodges: yeah, you're right. |
| 01:47:31 | | tron-like game with a 3D view. URL: http://www.ards.net/Andreas/gltron.html |
| 01:47:31 | BZFlag | ibot: gltron |
| 01:47:50 | | http://metalab.unc.edu/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/Sound-HOWTO |
| 01:47:50 | BZFlag | ibot howto sound |
| 01:47:55 | jmhodges | whoa! |
| 01:49:06 | | mac error -18 is ( gdBadDev ) from SetEntry **Color Manager Error** or ( statusErr ) Driver can't respond to Status call **I/O System Error** |
| 01:49:06 | BZFlag | ibot mac error -18 |
| 01:49:17 | kergoth | fyi that gltron link appears dead |
| 01:49:22 | | kergoth: i'm not following you... |
| 01:49:22 | kergoth | ibot has howto info? nifty |
| 01:49:38 | kergoth | BZFlag: does ibot have a function for checking man pages? :-) |
| 01:49:56 | BZFlag | hmm. not at present. what would it return? |
| 01:50:07 | erikd | the whole manpage! ;) |
| 01:50:17 | | oldtest jeremiah is exaltation of the Lord |
| 01:50:17 | BZFlag | ibot oldtest jeremiah |
| 01:50:24 | kergoth | hah |
| 01:50:33 | jmhodges | lol |
| 01:50:39 | BZFlag | erikd: you just want him to get spam kicked. ;-) |
| 01:50:50 | VerxHome | kergoth - I need some help |
| 01:50:50 | erikd | me? naaaaah ;) |
| 01:51:03 | erikd | i would never do something like that |
| 01:51:07 | | hmmm... periodic cu is Copper 29 |
| 01:51:07 | BZFlag | ibot periodic cu |
| 01:51:18 | VerxHome | kergoth: How do I ensure that my app will respond properly to an input method obscuring its window? |
| 01:51:18 | | erikd: i'm not following you... |
| 01:51:18 | erikd | ibot periodic 29 |
| 01:51:20 | | angrybsd: i'm not following you... |
| 01:51:20 | angrybsd | ibot google fark |
| 01:51:25 | angrybsd | sugar google fark |
| 01:51:26 | | port 6667 is, like, ircu - IRCU (IRCD/IRC/Internet Relay Chat) |
| 01:51:26 | BZFlag | ibot port 6667 |
| 01:51:36 | | i heard port 27008 was flex-lm - FLEX LM (1-10) |
| 01:51:36 | erikd | ibot port 27008 |
| 01:51:39 | | port 27009 is flex-lm - FLEX LM (1-10) |
| 01:51:39 | erikd | ibot port 27009 |
| 01:51:44 | erikd | hmm |
| 01:51:46 | | port 80 is www-http - World Wide Web HTTP |
| 01:51:46 | angrybsd | ibot port 80 |
| 01:51:47 | Speedy2 | FlexLM suxxxxxxxxxxxxxx |
| 01:51:48 | | i guess port 88 is kerberos - Kerberos |
| 01:51:48 | angrybsd | ibot port 88 |
| 01:51:52 | Speedy2 | OK, ENOUGH |
| 01:51:53 | | rumour has it port 771 is rtip - rtip |
| 01:51:53 | kergoth | ibot port 771 |
| 01:51:54 | | i heard port 200 was src - IBM System Resource Controller |
| 01:51:54 | angrybsd | ibot port 200 |
| 01:51:54 | | erikd: i'm not following you... |
| 01:51:54 | erikd | ibot port 27015 |
| 01:51:55 | kergoth | heheh |
| 01:51:58 | BZFlag | heh |
| 01:52:04 | | port 69 is tftp - Trivial File Transfer |
| 01:52:04 | angrybsd | ibot port 69 |
| 01:52:06 | | port 1 is tcpmux - TCP Port Service Multiplexer |
| 01:52:06 | erikd | ibot port 1 |
| 01:52:07 | angrybsd | lol |
| 01:52:10 | | rumour has it port 666 is doom - doom Id Software (or mdqs or FTP TROJAN) |
| 01:52:10 | Speedy2 | ibot port 666 |
| 01:52:11 | | i heard port 2 was compressnet - Management Utility |
| 01:52:11 | erikd | ibot port 2 |
| 01:52:12 | | rumour has it port 666 is doom - doom Id Software (or mdqs or FTP TROJAN) |
| 01:52:12 | Speedy2 | ibot port 666 |
| 01:52:12 | | port 31337 is probably bo - Back Orifice TROJAN (or Netpatch TROJAN) |
| 01:52:12 | angrybsd | ibot port 31337 |
| 01:52:14 | | port 666 is, like, doom - doom Id Software (or mdqs or FTP TROJAN) |
| 01:52:14 | Speedy2 | ibot port 666 |
| 01:52:23 | | rfc 1079 is, like, Telnet terminal speed option. C.L. Hedrick. Dec-01-1988. (Format: TXT=4942 bytes) (Status: PROPOSED STANDARD) |
| 01:52:23 | BZFlag | ibot rfc 1079 |
| 01:52:30 | VerxHome | jesus christ already |
| 01:52:31 | | erikd: excuse me? |
| 01:52:31 | erikd | ibot port 1337 |
| 01:52:32 | kergoth | BZFlag: oh swet, rfcs |
| 01:52:38 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:52:46 | VerxHome | kergoth, question for ya |
| 01:52:47 | VerxHome | kergoth: How do I ensure that my app will respond properly to an input method obscuring its window? |
| 01:52:57 | | rfc 1234 is Tunneling IPX traffic through IP networks. D. Provan. Jun-01-1991. (Format: TXT=12333 bytes) (Status: PROPOSED STANDARD) |
| 01:52:57 | erikd | ibot rfc 1234 |
| 01:53:00 | | hmmm... rfc 1 is Host Software. Steve Crocker. Apr-07-1969. (Format: TXT=21088 bytes) |
| 01:53:00 | erikd | ibot rfc 1 |
| 01:53:07 | | i think rfc 666 is Specification of the Unified User-Level Protocol. M.A. Padlipsky. Nov-26-1974. (Not online) (Status: UNKNOWN) |
| 01:53:07 | erikd | ibot rfc 666 |
| 01:53:10 | VerxHome | erikd: PLEASE STOP |
| 01:53:14 | kergoth | VerxHome: use layouts. it should be handled automatically |
| 01:53:14 | BZFlag | quits with the VerxHome ibot torture. |
| 01:53:15 | erikd | stops |
| 01:53:26 | ljp | verx: use layouts |
| 01:53:26 | VerxHome | kergoth: Layouts can't handle my widgets |
| 01:53:35 | VerxHome | ljp: I tried, layouts can't handle them |
| 01:53:43 | kergoth | VerxHome: fix the widgets. layouts are best, really. |
| 01:53:45 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:53:57 | VerxHome | kergoth: I cannot fit the widgets I need inside of layouts |
| 01:54:04 | VerxHome | the layouts force the widgets to be huge |
| 01:54:23 | ljp | layouts are the only way to make sure your apps respond to input methods |
| 01:54:32 | VerxHome | man |
| 01:54:47 | VerxHome | well, is there any way I can tell a layout to chill on making everything huge? |
| 01:55:00 | ljp | sometimes, you have to be crafty and edit in some geometry |
| 01:55:32 | prpplague | mdz_: you still around? |
| 01:55:36 | VerxHome | ljp: any way to do that in Qt Designer itself? |
| 01:56:01 | ljp | verx: if you have opie cvs, look at vmemo settings opie/noncore/settings/sound |
| 01:56:14 | angrybsd | what's the best IDE for on-the-Z dev? |
| 01:56:19 | angrybsd | java dev |
| 01:56:19 | VerxHome | ljp: I am fairly confident that I can do it manually |
| 01:56:21 | ljp | verx: not really.. I always ditch those ui files |
| 01:56:32 | VerxHome | but that means every time I update it in designer I have to manually fix my .ui |
| 01:56:49 | VerxHome | hrm |
| 01:57:00 | VerxHome | maybe if I just stuck my entire tab widget in a layout |
| 01:57:04 | VerxHome | that might be sufficient. . . |
| 01:57:12 | ljp | I use gridlayouts and multilinewidget thingy |
| 01:57:47 | VerxHome | how do I put a tabwidget into a layout? |
| 01:57:48 | ljp | I had to get creative with vmemo settings |
| 01:57:51 | VerxHome | (in Qt Designer) |
| 01:58:22 | VerxHome | actually, on my ipaq, vmemo settings doesn't fit on the screen |
| 01:58:24 | erikd | verxhome: there's a button for that |
| 01:58:28 | VerxHome | so that wouldn't be the best example |
| 01:58:29 | erikd | it's with the frames |
| 01:58:32 | ljp | myLayout->addWidget(tab) or with the parent of the tab |
| 01:58:48 | ljp | verx: its fixed now |
| 01:59:06 | ljp | thats what I was saying, I had to get creative to fix that |
| 01:59:13 | VerxHome | erikd: I see how to lay out horizontally and vertically, but all I want is to encapsulate the tabwidget in a layout |
| 02:00:06 | erikd | verx: it's not doing it now? |
| 02:00:09 | VerxHome | man |
| 02:00:22 | VerxHome | erikd: Yeah, I was able to enclose the tabwidget into a layout |
| 02:00:27 | VerxHome | but then it took my widgets |
| 02:00:30 | erikd | i just click on the form itself and click on the vert/horiz and it works |
| 02:00:35 | erikd | oh |
| 02:00:45 | angrybsd | openprojects is cool because the admins aren't assholes |
| 02:00:52 | VerxHome | and made it so that LITERALLY only about 10 of 70 widgets was visible |
| 02:00:57 | kergoth | angrybsd: no, they just beg for money.. *g* |
| 02:01:01 | jmhodges | lol angrybsd |
| 02:01:05 | jmhodges | lol kergoth |
| 02:01:06 | angrybsd | kergoth: :-p |
| 02:01:08 | VerxHome | I mean, layout lets me have 1/7th as many widgets |
| 02:01:10 | erikd | angrybsd: that's because they're not kiddies :) |
| 02:01:12 | VerxHome | that is unacceptable |
| 02:01:27 | ljp | screw designer |
| 02:01:30 | angrybsd | like if your chan is taken over or you messed something up they'll do what's right :) |
| 02:01:39 | ljp | its like html WYSIWYG |
| 02:01:51 | erikd | it's helpful to learn from, though |
| 02:01:57 | jmhodges | lol ljp |
| 02:02:03 | ljp | designer creates bad code anyway |
| 02:02:14 | hunger | kergoth: This animated boot logo is so unnecesarry. |
| 02:02:21 | erikd | as bad as the html wysiwyg stuff? |
| 02:02:21 | ljp | I ALWAYS have to go in and fix it |
| 02:02:22 | hunger | kergoth: Still, I love it! ;-) |
| 02:03:19 | kergoth | hunger: hehe. we need to turn on the frontlight before it starts though :-) |
| 02:03:20 | W|GGL|T | lol kergoth |
| 02:03:26 | VerxHome | ljp: The thing is - there isn't ANYTHING wrong with my design |
| 02:03:42 | VerxHome | actually, screw it, I will just put the edit field up top instead of at the bottom |
| 02:03:45 | VerxHome | then it won't matter |
| 02:03:48 | VerxHome | muahahahahah |
| 02:04:09 | VerxHome | of course, it is going to take me like an hour to do that |
| 02:04:10 | VerxHome | :( |
| 02:04:15 | jmhodges | lol |
| 02:04:38 | VerxHome | well, I don't see any nice way to move these 80 or so widgets easily |
| 02:04:47 | VerxHome | at least not move them pixel by pixel like I want |
| 02:05:55 | ToyKeeper | Why would you want pixel-by-pixel control over widgets? What's the program? |
| 02:07:06 | VerxHome | ToyKeeper: You would have to see it |
| 02:07:22 | hunger | kergoth: Does the network config up work? I can't get it to setup my ethernet right. |
| 02:07:23 | VerxHome | I am making better use of screen real estate in my app than any Z app I have seen to date |
| 02:07:25 | jmhodges | wonders at the overreactions people have |
| 02:07:33 | VerxHome | but it doesn't work well with layouts |
| 02:08:16 | ljp | I would imagine that anything with 80 wodgets is quite cluttered |
| 02:08:20 | Speedy2 | nelson: Maybe make it both 5000D/5500 ? |
| 02:08:28 | VerxHome | ljp: It isn't bad at all |
| 02:08:47 | VerxHome | ljp: lemme make a couple changes and I will send it to you |
| 02:08:51 | VerxHome | so you can see it |
| 02:08:55 | VerxHome | actually, ljp, can you DCC? |
| 02:09:06 | Speedy2 | nerlson: Thanks |
| 02:09:08 | Speedy2 | err |
| 02:09:09 | Speedy2 | nelson |
| 02:09:20 | nelson | speidy2: you're welcome. |
| 02:09:26 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 02:11:41 | W|GGL|T | ls -l /dev/psaux should show what's linked to that device, no? |
| 02:11:57 | ToyKeeper | No. |
| 02:12:14 | whardier | /dev/ts |
| 02:12:24 | ToyKeeper | Links are one-way, and you can't find them from the destination. |
| 02:12:49 | angrybsd | IM GOING TO SUBMIT AN APP IDEA :) |
| 02:12:54 | Speedy2 | GREAT |
| 02:12:56 | angrybsd | OKAY |
| 02:13:02 | W|GGL|T | im trying to remember how to view what's linked |
| 02:13:07 | angrybsd | oops capslock was on >;-) |
| 02:13:11 | whardier | cccccccccccccccccccthe only way is an educated guess or grepping the filesystem |
| 02:13:11 | ljp | verx: email it.. no dcc |
| 02:13:14 | Speedy2 | Yesterday I got an e-mail with only the following text |
| 02:13:15 | Speedy2 | I WILL TALK TO YOU SOON. |
| 02:13:15 | Speedy2 | THANKS DAVID |
| 02:13:24 | whardier | hmm |
| 02:13:25 | angrybsd | lol |
| 02:13:29 | whardier | my keyboard smells like a cookie |
| 02:13:30 | | ljp is, like, currently an earthling from the planet Mergatroid |
| 02:13:30 | VerxHome | ibot, ljp |
| 02:13:33 | whardier | I don't remember having a cookie |
| 02:13:33 | angrybsd | does your email resemble something else mispeled? |
| 02:13:37 | VerxHome | ljp: Email? |
| 02:13:45 | ljp | llornkcor@handhelds.org |
| 02:14:24 | ljp | my keyboard smells like pizza crust particles and coffee |
| 02:14:32 | whardier | heh |
| 02:15:08 | ljp | good thing you didnt go to that airshow in the Ukraine |
| 02:15:08 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 02:15:13 | jmhodges | lol |
| 02:15:28 | CloudChaser | how was it whardier? did you have a good time? |
| 02:15:56 | kergoth | damn stalled downloads with giFT |
| 02:15:59 | kergoth | i hate that |
| 02:16:09 | VerxHome | ok ljp, sent |
| 02:16:49 | kergoth | i need music |
| 02:16:52 | VerxHome | ljp: The one I sent you is going off the bottom just a little bit |
| 02:16:56 | kergoth | i've got like 30 mp3s on my box. thats it. |
| 02:16:57 | Speedy2 | kergoth: If you could accept DCC... |
| 02:17:02 | kergoth | Speedy2: i'm at home, i can |
| 02:17:04 | kergoth | hehh |
| 02:17:06 | Speedy2 | ooooh |
| 02:17:16 | prpplague | mdz_: if come back around, could i get a copy of your host.def file? |
| 02:17:28 | kergoth | Anyone here have anything by mdfmk? |
| 02:17:34 | jmhodges | damn no bake cookie just fell in my milk |
| 02:17:34 | jmhodges | dammit |
| 02:17:47 | kergoth | i hat |
| 02:17:49 | kergoth | e that |
| 02:17:52 | kergoth | fucking enter |
| 02:17:57 | angrybsd | my idea for an app: a weather info retrieving app? |
| 02:17:58 | codemnky | hey |
| 02:18:01 | kergoth | dood, enter keeps getting in the way today |
| 02:18:01 | codemnky | watch the lingo |
| 02:18:12 | codemnky | 8^) |
| 02:18:17 | kergoth | hey codemnky |
| 02:18:18 | kergoth | how goes it |
| 02:18:20 | jmhodges | hehe kergoth |
| 02:18:42 | | ...but kergoth is the wizard of OZ or at mailto:kergoth@digitalnemesis.net or needing to have two heads and 4 hands so he can get roms out twice as fast... |
| 02:18:42 | codemnky | ibot kergoth is using bad words |
| 02:18:58 | | okay, codemnky. |
| 02:18:58 | codemnky | ibot kergoth is also using bad words |
| 02:19:07 | | kergoth is the wizard of OZ or at mailto:kergoth@digitalnemesis.net or needing to have two heads and 4 hands so he can get roms out twice as fast or using bad words |
| 02:19:07 | codemnky | ibot kergoth |
| 02:19:14 | codemnky | :P |
| 02:19:20 | codemnky | sorry |
| 02:19:24 | codemnky | you'll have to fix that |
| 02:20:06 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:20:09 | | i think codemnky is a linux/perl/apache/mysql junkie or a bitch |
| 02:20:09 | kergoth | ibot: codemnky? |
| 02:20:11 | whardier | I can make my face do the wave |
| 02:20:13 | kergoth | aha |
| 02:20:15 | kergoth | thats sufficient |
| 02:20:22 | kergoth | whardier: nifty |
| 02:20:31 | kergoth | i have NOTHING to drink in my house |
| 02:20:33 | whardier | kergoth its my party favor |
| 02:20:35 | whardier | I DO! |
| 02:20:37 | whardier | WOOOOT! |
| 02:20:38 | kergoth | wait i'm wrong |
| 02:20:40 | kergoth | i have alcohol |
| 02:20:40 | jmhodges | lol! |
| 02:20:43 | jmhodges | LOL |
| 02:20:43 | whardier | rubs it in kergoths face |
| 02:20:46 | kergoth | but no coke |
| 02:20:52 | whardier | I ave vanilla coke |
| 02:20:52 | whardier | mtn dew |
| 02:20:54 | whardier | lots of cider |
| 02:20:55 | kergoth | or soda or juice or milk |
| 02:20:57 | kergoth | sniffle |
| 02:20:58 | whardier | green pucker |
| 02:20:58 | kergoth | whardier: bastard |
| 02:20:59 | jmhodges | heheheh |
| 02:21:01 | jmhodges | LOL |
| 02:21:15 | whardier | kergoth.. |
| 02:21:17 | whardier | this is just payback |
| 02:21:23 | whardier | when you say.. "I am a drinkin" |
| 02:21:26 | kergoth | I have vodka, gin, triple sec, tequila, rum, and whiskey |
| 02:21:28 | whardier | and I have no such luck here |
| 02:21:35 | whardier | wow |
| 02:21:42 | whardier | a whole lot of nothing that should be mixed together |
| 02:21:48 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:21:56 | kergoth | hey a good long island comes out of that |
| 02:21:57 | whardier | you could grab the tequila and triple sec |
| 02:21:57 | ljp | verx: theres a binch of space at the top... |
| 02:22:03 | whardier | and make a very very strong daquirio |
| 02:22:04 | ljp | bunch even |
| 02:22:07 | kergoth | sugar, how do you make a long island? |
| 02:22:07 | Sugar | kergoth: Ingredients for Long Island Ice Tea: 1/2 oz Vodka, 1/2 oz Gin, 1/2 oz Light Rum, 1/2 oz Tequila, Juice of 1/2 Lemon and 1 dash Cola |
| 02:22:07 | Sugar | kergoth: Combine ingredients and pour over ice in highball glass. Add cola for color and garnish with slice of lemon. |
| 02:22:08 | whardier | s/io/i/ |
| 02:22:10 | kergoth | :-) |
| 02:22:10 | kergoth | yeh |
| 02:22:26 | whardier | bah |
| 02:22:29 | whardier | long islands are the devil |
| 02:22:34 | kergoth | YOU"RE THE DEVIL |
| 02:22:39 | whardier | we have a bar here that has dollar long islands one day of the week |
| 02:22:39 | jmhodges | seconds that |
| 02:22:40 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 02:22:45 | VerxHome | ljp: Icons are going to be at the top |
| 02:22:46 | jmhodges | lol |
| 02:22:53 | whardier | basically.. whenever I go there.. I never wanna go back.. until I go back |
| 02:22:56 | kergoth | whardier: ooo dollar long islands. nifty |
| 02:22:58 | VerxHome | ljp: The icons aren't in yet |
| 02:23:09 | W|GGL|T | damn...must be watered down |
| 02:23:16 | kergoth | would have to be |
| 02:23:20 | whardier | *yawn* |
| 02:23:22 | kergoth | but still, its a buck |
| 02:23:23 | kergoth | heheh |
| 02:23:24 | whardier | the air show was nifty today |
| 02:23:27 | kergoth | nice |
| 02:23:31 | whardier | we had some killer seats |
| 02:23:34 | ljp | whardier: there used to be a topless donut shop there also |
| 02:23:37 | whardier | and I got to play with an XL1 today |
| 02:23:42 | Speedy2 | whardier: Where was this show? |
| 02:23:51 | whardier | Fort Collins. CO |
| 02:23:57 | Speedy2 | Lucky |
| 02:23:57 | whardier | not the Osh Kosh one |
| 02:24:06 | VerxHome | ljp: I don't know if you ever played Dungeons and Dragons or not, but everything on that screen needs to be there. |
| 02:24:13 | whardier | ljp: we had the first topless donut shop |
| 02:24:20 | whardier | we were also the first to get rid of one |
| 02:24:45 | kergoth | whardier: i need techno |
| 02:24:54 | kergoth | whardier: i have a grand total of 30 mp3s on my drive, including your BT cds. hehe |
| 02:24:56 | codemnky | mmm |
| 02:24:59 | whardier | anybody here seen Roujin Z? |
| 02:25:01 | codemnky | aussi piss |
| 02:25:06 | whardier | kergoth let me get on gift real quick |
| 02:25:10 | whardier | then Iw ill give you my ip |
| 02:25:13 | kergoth | k |
| 02:25:17 | whardier | is yours working? |
| 02:25:20 | kergoth | yeah |
| 02:25:22 | kergoth | giFT rocks |
| 02:25:25 | whardier | grab the latest CVS .. it breaks less |
| 02:25:29 | kergoth | yeh i did |
| 02:25:30 | CloudChaser | what |
| 02:25:32 | whardier | it might take a while for me to get on |
| 02:25:34 | CloudChaser | what's gift? |
| 02:25:34 | kergoth | and grabbed kiFT too |
| 02:25:38 | whardier | I have 38 gigs for it to rehash |
| 02:25:41 | kergoth | CloudChaser: peer to peer file sharing |
| 02:25:53 | whardier | oops |
| 02:25:55 | whardier | it rehashed |
| 02:25:55 | kergoth | whardier: bastard. i had 36gb when the iBM ide drive it was on went kaput :-( |
| 02:25:55 | whardier | ok |
| 02:26:03 | kergoth | sniffle |
| 02:26:07 | whardier | haha |
| 02:26:17 | CloudChaser | ah thanks kergoth |
| 02:26:17 | whardier | with the IBM drive you probably didn't flash it like they sent out a message for |
| 02:26:19 | jmhodges | needs to make a module for gift |
| 02:26:35 | kergoth | whardier: howd ya guess? ;-) |
| 02:26:36 | whardier | hmm.. people can apparently download from me.. so I wonder what my IP is |
| 02:26:37 | CloudChaser | i think i have to start all over again with my z ;( |
| 02:26:45 | kergoth | CloudChaser: whys that |
| 02:26:46 | whardier | oh well |
| 02:26:55 | whardier | try putting segfault.bogomip.com in your user search |
| 02:26:58 | CloudChaser | welli tried a few times to install tkcrekall |
| 02:27:01 | kergoth | okay i need to get some soda so i can mix something. i dont feel like shots atm |
| 02:27:03 | CloudChaser | don't get any icon |
| 02:27:05 | whardier | resolve it to ip if that does not work |
| 02:27:06 | VerxHome | ljp: So do you understand now why layouts don't seem to be working for me? |
| 02:27:07 | W|GG-Libranet | grrrr...slackware install is unstable |
| 02:27:08 | CloudChaser | and i keep running out of space |
| 02:27:16 | Speedy2 | IBM IDE drives are shit |
| 02:27:29 | CloudChaser | so i have to kind of re-think things and install some more things on sd card |
| 02:27:48 | | well, weather is pretty |
| 02:27:48 | angrybsd | ibot weather |
| 02:27:52 | whardier | kergoth I also live about a stones throw from a gas station.. so its not a hard thing to get soda :) |
| 02:27:58 | CloudChaser | o |
| 02:28:03 | kergoth | whardier: yeh same here, i'm just lazy |
| 02:28:08 | CloudChaser | i'd really really like to use OZ |
| 02:28:17 | whardier | get up off your ass dude |
| 02:28:17 | kergoth | Speedy2: yeah. i like the ibm scsi drives.. |
| 02:28:24 | whardier | hmm |
| 02:28:24 | whardier | heh |
| 02:28:28 | kergoth`store | heh |
| 02:28:56 | codemnky | bring me some beer |
| 02:28:56 | Speedy2 | kergoth`store: You and me. |
| 02:28:58 | angrybsd | where does ibot get the weather info from |
| 02:29:04 | Speedy2 | angrybsd: From the devil. |
| 02:29:06 | whardier | bah.. fuck giFT.. |
| 02:29:21 | | i heard weather was pretty |
| 02:29:21 | codemnky | ibot weather |
| 02:29:27 | | angrybsd: i'm not following you... |
| 02:29:27 | angrybsd | ibot temperature |
| 02:29:43 | codemnky | i'm going to make an ibot |
| 02:29:53 | codemnky | right now |
| 02:29:59 | whardier | codemnky you gonna call it.. Betty? |
| 02:30:09 | codemnky | i was thinking dumbass |
| 02:30:20 | whardier | dumbass. what is codemnky |
| 02:30:29 | | angrybsd: (KPAE) 47-55-23N 122-16-57W 180M; Conditions at; last updated: Conditions at; Dew Point: 52.0 F (11.1 C); Heat index: 93 F (34 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.15 in. Hg (1020 hPa); Pressure tendency: 0.01 inches (0.5 hPa) lower than three hours ago; Relative Humidity: 58%; Sky conditions: clear; Temperature: 66.9 F (19.4 C); Visibility: 10 mile(s); Wind: from the WSW (240 degrees) at 6 MPH (5 KT) |
| 02:30:29 | angrybsd | ibot weather for KPAE |
| 02:30:30 | whardier | <dumbass> It has been said that codemnky is the maker of dumbass |
| 02:30:50 | codemnky | give me that link to the ibot site |
| 02:31:00 | | whardier: Something failed in connecting to the NOAA web server. Try again later. |
| 02:31:00 | whardier | ibot weather for hell |
| 02:31:00 | | i am "the" bot around |
| 02:31:00 | codemnky | ibot ibot |
| 02:31:00 | | i guess i am "the" bot around |
| 02:31:00 | angrybsd | ibot, ibot |
| 02:31:17 | | whardier: Something failed in connecting to the NOAA web server. Try again later. |
| 02:31:17 | whardier | ibot weather for FUCK |
| 02:31:22 | whardier | I would have to say 72 degrees myself |
| 02:31:35 | angrybsd | does it parse the NOAA page? |
| 02:31:38 | angrybsd | its a big page |
| 02:31:45 | | i heard freshmeat was at http://www.freshmeat.net |
| 02:31:45 | codemnky | ibot freshmeat |
| 02:31:57 | darienm | VerxHome: i'd be interested in seeing a QT app with 80 widgets, got a screenshot? |
| 02:31:58 | | codemnky: huh? |
| 02:31:58 | codemnky | ibot freshmeat headlines |
| 02:31:58 | whardier | bah bah bah bah bah bah bah bah bah |
| 02:32:01 | codemnky | uhuh |
| 02:32:01 | whardier | BLACK SHEEP! |
| 02:32:14 | ToyKeeper | Weird. MMC stuff works if I unmount then remount it. |
| 02:32:15 | whardier | I broke my fake skin |
| 02:32:19 | whardier | and I don't have a replacement |
| 02:32:31 | CloudChaser | getheya darienm: |
| 02:32:39 | whardier | hops up.. gets a coke.. tries to email one to kergoth |
| 02:32:41 | codemnky | hey |
| 02:32:42 | CloudChaser | i tried your script... still not working for me |
| 02:32:43 | darienm | er, getheya Cloud! |
| 02:32:46 | jmhodges | wonders what strange mindaltering drug whardier has taken |
| 02:32:50 | codemnky | you guys know that link to the make an ibot site |
| 02:32:50 | angrybsd | sugar, make kergoth a coke |
| 02:32:50 | Sugar | grabs a bottle of coke, pours it into a glass, which she hands kergoth. |
| 02:32:55 | darienm | CloudChaser: for rekall? |
| 02:33:02 | CloudChaser | i think i need to clean off the z |
| 02:33:03 | CloudChaser | yes |
| 02:33:04 | whardier | so.. anybody wanna hit up princess cruiselines for doing some wifi on their ships? |
| 02:33:05 | darienm | CloudChaser: sure there's enough space? |
| 02:33:10 | CloudChaser | it seemed to install fine |
| 02:33:11 | codemnky | angrybsd |
| 02:33:14 | codemnky | paste it |
| 02:33:14 | CloudChaser | but till no icon ;( |
| 02:33:15 | darienm | CloudChaser: cuz that's the only thing would cause it to fail |
| 02:33:29 | darienm | CloudChaser: Cant help with icons. |
| 02:33:38 | CloudChaser | i tried it once.. didn't have enough space...reverted a back up |
| 02:33:58 | CloudChaser | but it left some directories behind apparently..but it did seem to install anyway |
| 02:34:12 | CloudChaser | anyway i'll try it from an empty z and see what happens |
| 02:34:19 | whardier | no email for me :( |
| 02:34:27 | whardier | well none of te fun kind |
| 02:34:41 | ljp | whardier: you can have all my spam I got today |
| 02:34:57 | whardier | no thianks.. it woudl just hit my spam bucket |
| 02:35:24 | angrybsd | sugar, sugar |
| 02:35:31 | angrybsd | sugar, who are you |
| 02:35:36 | codemnky | whardier you know the orc bot making web site url? |
| 02:35:39 | angrybsd | sugar, make me a coke bitch |
| 02:35:39 | Sugar | grabs a bottle of coke bitch, pours it into a glass, which she hands angrybsd. |
| 02:35:50 | codemnky | irc |
| 02:36:07 | prpplague | sugar, shoot me |
| 02:36:34 | | OK, angrybsd. |
| 02:36:34 | angrybsd | ibot, shoot prpplague is <action> shoots prpplague |
| 02:36:35 | codemnky | the bare witch project is on cenimax |
| 02:36:39 | | angrybsd: what? |
| 02:36:39 | angrybsd | ibot, shoot pprplague |
| 02:36:46 | | ACTION shoots prpplague |
| 02:36:46 | angrybsd | ibot, shoot prpplague |
| 02:36:49 | angrybsd | yay |
| 02:37:14 | | prpplague: huh? |
| 02:37:14 | prpplague | ibot: shot me |
| 02:37:16 | whardier | you know |
| 02:37:20 | whardier | I don't help this channel be productive |
| 02:37:23 | | prpplague: huh? |
| 02:37:23 | prpplague | ibot, shot prpplague |
| 02:37:38 | prpplague | argh thats how bad it is tonight |
| 02:37:44 | | ACTION shoots prpplague |
| 02:37:44 | prpplague | ibot, shoot prpplague |
| 02:37:50 | daralc | hey |
| 02:37:55 | codemnky | the bare witch project is on cenimax |
| 02:37:59 | codemnky | hey |
| 02:38:04 | daralc | where can i get the software to sync my zaurus in linux? |
| 02:38:08 | angrybsd | 15 minutes left to get 256MB compact flash for $60 |
| 02:38:08 | whardier | rsync |
| 02:38:14 | | whardier is nothing but an industrial thimbleful of fen-sucked pods. |
| 02:38:14 | codemnky | ibot insult whardier |
| 02:38:14 | angrybsd | sandisk |
| 02:38:28 | whardier | chickens don't have lips |
| 02:38:45 | | eveybody is nothing but a mammering puddle of squishy Stimpy-drool. |
| 02:38:45 | codemnky | ibot insult eveybody |
| 02:39:07 | | codemnky is nothing but a pickled heap of lumpish fat-woman's stomach-bile. |
| 02:39:07 | whardier | ibot insult codemnky |
| 02:39:13 | whardier | mmmm |
| 02:39:22 | codemnky | heh |
| 02:39:27 | | angrybsd: i'm not following you... |
| 02:39:27 | angrybsd | ibot needs to learn some freakin jokes |
| 02:39:27 | daralc | whardier: rsync is what i use? |
| 02:39:31 | | codemnky: huh? |
| 02:39:31 | codemnky | ibot lick my butt |
| 02:39:34 | | angrybsd: what? |
| 02:39:34 | angrybsd | ibot joke |
| 02:39:52 | whardier | daralc.. no.. you can use a lot of things |
| 02:39:56 | | angrybsd is nothing but an hasty-witted pile of clapper-clawed fish heads. |
| 02:39:56 | jmhodges | ibot: insult angrybsd |
| 02:39:57 | whardier | a lot of.. linux.. things |
| 02:40:02 | | OK, angrybsd. |
| 02:40:02 | angrybsd | ibot joke is <action> |
| 02:40:06 | | angrybsd: I forgot joke |
| 02:40:06 | angrybsd | ibot forget joke |
| 02:40:09 | daralc | what is the most versatile sync tool? |
| 02:40:17 | | OK, angrybsd. |
| 02:40:17 | angrybsd | ibot joke is <action> is naked... UNDER HIS CLOTHES!!!!!!! |
| 02:40:18 | | ACTION is naked... UNDER HIS CLOTHES!!!!!!! |
| 02:40:18 | angrybsd | ibot joke |
| 02:40:26 | angrybsd | IBOT IS SO FUNNY YO |
| 02:40:28 | whardier | daralc there is no versatile.. |
| 02:40:37 | daralc | oh :( |
| 02:40:40 | whardier | thats like saying.. bend the versatile |
| 02:40:42 | whardier | neo |
| 02:40:43 | whardier | heh |
| 02:40:46 | whardier | uhm |
| 02:40:55 | whardier | daralc there a re a billion ways to sync anything |
| 02:41:02 | whardier | I would just assume using rsync |
| 02:41:06 | whardier | but the opie gods frown |
| 02:41:12 | whardier | you might have to address them |
| 02:41:19 | daralc | hah |
| 02:41:21 | jmhodges | lol |
| 02:41:23 | daralc | well what do you use? |
| 02:41:27 | daralc | i don't even know what i would sync it for |
| 02:41:33 | whardier | haha |
| 02:41:47 | whardier | well then.. go climb a mountain to see if there is an ocean up there |
| 02:41:50 | daralc | i'm getting a zaurus from my friend, he isn't sure if the cradle works |
| 02:41:53 | whardier | I use rsync |
| 02:42:05 | daralc | but he's selling it for $340 with a 3 year best buy warranty still on it |
| 02:42:19 | angrybsd | daralac: sl5500? |
| 02:42:38 | whardier | daralc I would suggest getting a wifi card and wap if you don't already.. then sorta skin yourself from the modern world as you know it and prepare your body for UV radiation from your monitor |
| 02:42:41 | daralc | sl-5500 |
| 02:42:56 | daralc | i got a 802.11 WAP |
| 02:43:09 | whardier | got a little crisped today |
| 02:43:11 | daralc | is sharp mobile going to be cool? |
| 02:43:24 | whardier | I would assume cool would be what they want to associate themselves with |
| 02:43:43 | daralc | haha |
| 02:43:45 | whardier | I personally think it would be cool of the money I payed for that system ended up in my own pocket |
| 02:43:50 | daralc | is it going to make girls wnat to fuck me if i have it? |
| 02:43:54 | whardier | no |
| 02:44:06 | whardier | actually.. it would allow you to have the feeling of getting fucked while on the road |
| 02:44:15 | whardier | the same as every night in my miserable girlfriendless life |
| 02:44:21 | daralc | sweet |
| 02:44:38 | whardier | indeed |
| 02:44:52 | whardier | I should sell Zaurus's for a living |
| 02:45:17 | angrybsd | i should sell $60 256mb CF cards for a living ;) |
| 02:45:18 | daralc | hah |
| 02:45:20 | codemnky | i have to barrow some insults from ibot |
| 02:45:23 | codemnky | excuse me |
| 02:45:26 | whardier | hahaha |
| 02:45:33 | codemnky | someone said somehting bad about me in fucked company |
| 02:45:40 | whardier | ? |
| 02:45:47 | whardier | send me some sparks |
| 02:45:48 | codemnky | just search for mycity |
| 02:45:57 | | MyCityReaper is nothing but a vain tongueful of toad-spotted cold sores. |
| 02:45:57 | codemnky | ibot insult MyCityReaper |
| 02:46:04 | | MyCityReaper is nothing but an onion-eyed ass-full of fermented anal warts. |
| 02:46:04 | codemnky | ibot insult MyCityReaper |
| 02:46:13 | | MyCityReaper is nothing but a ruttish enema-bucketful of salty bat toenails. |
| 02:46:13 | codemnky | ibot insult MyCityReaper |
| 02:46:14 | whardier | codemnky ? I am to drinked up for searching :) |
| 02:46:16 | whardier | what happened? |
| 02:46:46 | whardier | ooh I like the third insult |
| 02:46:50 | codemnky | how's this |
| 02:46:53 | codemnky | MyCityReaper is nothing but a ruttish enema-bucketful of salty bat toenails andan onion-eyed ass-full of fermented anal warts. |
| 02:46:53 | prpplague | whardier: what are ya drinking tonight? |
| 02:47:07 | whardier | prpplague I went to a BBQ earlier |
| 02:47:11 | BigBoss | compared to what? |
| 02:47:11 | whardier | the buzz is somewhat worn off now |
| 02:47:17 | whardier | I had lots of cider |
| 02:47:20 | whardier | which is my usual drink |
| 02:47:23 | prpplague | ahh |
| 02:47:28 | whardier | I praise it |
| 02:47:42 | daralc | i could make cell phone calls on zaurus? |
| 02:47:44 | kergoth | has soda |
| 02:47:49 | daralc | with sharp mobile |
| 02:47:57 | whardier | err |
| 02:48:00 | whardier | it is CDMA |
| 02:48:02 | whardier | I believe you could |
| 02:48:05 | daralc | well... |
| 02:48:06 | daralc | hmm... |
| 02:48:08 | whardier | if you were very clever |
| 02:48:09 | daralc | cause see i have a verizon phone now |
| 02:48:11 | whardier | and wanted to pay an assload |
| 02:48:20 | daralc | why pay? |
| 02:48:22 | kergoth | whardier: what giFT client do you use? giFT-shell? |
| 02:48:27 | whardier | giFTcurs |
| 02:48:37 | whardier | snaglepuss the CVS |
| 02:48:39 | kergoth | ah, curses client eh |
| 02:48:40 | daralc | what can you get off giFT? |
| 02:48:51 | whardier | daralc wouldn't you think there is only one way to find out? |
| 02:48:52 | kergoth | daralc: whatever you can get off of any other p2p network |
| 02:48:54 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:48:56 | prpplague | argh, this x version 4.1 is driving me nuts |
| 02:49:03 | angrybsd | what are ".pqa"s in PalmOS? |
| 02:49:12 | daralc | i have a verzion phoen now |
| 02:49:16 | daralc | its already $40 a month |
| 02:50:32 | kergoth | ooo giFTcurs is damn cool |
| 02:52:42 | whardier | hehehehe |
| 02:52:49 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Accept my DCCs or risk certain death. |
| 02:52:59 | kergoth | Speedy2: yeah yeah yeah |
| 02:53:12 | whardier | hahahaha |
| 02:53:17 | Speedy2 | Hey, if you don't want, I'll stop, kay? |
| 02:54:11 | whardier | huglaugalugaluga |
| 02:54:32 | kergoth | whardier: wtf is 'realm'? |
| 02:54:42 | ljp | just finished putting together a linux box with a blazing Pentium 166 and VGA !!! |
| 02:54:42 | whardier | kergoth don't go there |
| 02:54:47 | whardier | nobody can go there |
| 02:54:48 | kergoth | whardier: ah n/m |
| 02:54:49 | kergoth | hehh |
| 02:54:51 | whardier | the sleeper must awaken! |
| 02:54:53 | kergoth | ljp: wooo |
| 02:55:05 | jmhodges | lol |
| 02:55:15 | Speedy2 | ljp: For 20$ I'll give you this 17" for it |
| 02:55:22 | ljp | it has a humungous 500 mb drive |
| 02:56:02 | ljp | uhh no thanks.. this has a cdrom even |
| 02:56:27 | W|GGL|T | . |
| 02:56:28 | whardier | oh ToyKeeper is glad he left my house |
| 02:56:30 | whardier | ribs make me fart |
| 02:56:50 | whardier | ate pretty damn close to an entire rack of ribs today |
| 02:56:56 | angrybsd | what's the zaurus' default OS called |
| 02:57:01 | whardier | linux |
| 02:57:01 | Speedy2 | POS |
| 02:57:11 | angrybsd | more specific? :) |
| 02:57:15 | whardier | embedix |
| 02:57:21 | angrybsd | ok thanks |
| 02:58:44 | VerxHome | darienm: Can you DCC? |
| 02:59:23 | ljp | actually.. its Embedix PDA Plus |
| 02:59:44 | VerxHome | ljp: So now that you have seen the app |
| 02:59:50 | VerxHome | what are your thoughts? |
| 02:59:54 | jmhodges | whaps whardier over the head for "Received 'DCC_SUCKS_XORS' from whardier" |
| 03:00:32 | ljp | verx: doesnt do mych ;) |
| 03:00:37 | ljp | much even |
| 03:00:37 | VerxHome | heh |
| 03:00:40 | VerxHome | I told you that |
| 03:00:52 | jmhodges | lol |
| 03:00:55 | VerxHome | but as far as the widgets go, you see why layouts cannot work? |
| 03:00:55 | jmhodges | what does it do? |
| 03:01:23 | VerxHome | jmhodges: It is a D&D Character manager for people that play D&D the old fashioned way - pen, paper, and dice |
| 03:02:00 | ljp | verx: no.. layouts would work fine |
| 03:02:17 | VerxHome | ljp: Well, like I said, I tried them - they forced everything to be huge |
| 03:02:25 | ljp | QVBoxLayout |
| 03:02:30 | VerxHome | I want the buttons to be 20 pixels high |
| 03:02:40 | VerxHome | layouts refuse that |
| 03:02:58 | jmhodges | sweet VerxHome |
| 03:02:58 | ljp | no, you just have to edit it and setFixedHeigth(20) |
| 03:03:10 | jmhodges | i might get a use of that .. dunno when though.. :/ |
| 03:04:43 | VerxHome | ljp: I don't see setFixedHeight anywhere in the property editor of Qt Designer |
| 03:05:05 | darienm | VerxHome: yes,sorry. |
| 03:05:14 | ljp | you'll have to edit it |
| 03:05:19 | whardier | hmm |
| 03:05:29 | whardier | I got frustrated because my window was not coming into the foreground |
| 03:05:33 | whardier | turns out |
| 03:05:35 | whardier | I was being dumb |
| 03:05:36 | ljp | use the ui as a starting point |
| 03:05:44 | whardier | its hard to put the window into the forground of a cat |
| 03:05:52 | darienm | VerxHome: what kind of file is this? |
| 03:05:57 | angrybsd | kitty |
| 03:06:07 | VerxHome | darienm: It is an arm binary |
| 03:06:15 | VerxHome | sorry for the nondescript name |
| 03:06:15 | VerxHome | :) |
| 03:06:24 | VerxHome | it isn't exactly ready for production as you might guess |
| 03:06:29 | darienm | VerxHome: so I put it on the z and it runs? I just wanted a screenshot :) |
| 03:06:43 | VerxHome | darienm: Yeah, I don't have any way to take a screenshot |
| 03:06:48 | whardier | angrybsd: seen Monsters Inc :) |
| 03:06:52 | darienm | VerxHome: We could teach you |
| 03:06:53 | VerxHome | so you need to put it on the z and run it |
| 03:06:58 | VerxHome | darienm: It wouldn't work |
| 03:07:09 | angrybsd | whardier: i actually did =) |
| 03:07:13 | whardier | kitty |
| 03:07:16 | darienm | VerxHome: no worries |
| 03:07:24 | angrybsd | i remember that part :-P |
| 03:07:42 | VerxHome | darienm: I need to scroll everything up 10 pixels |
| 03:07:45 | whardier | that reminded me of that |
| 03:07:46 | whardier | anyhoot |
| 03:07:49 | whardier | turns on some tunes |
| 03:08:00 | whardier | I didn't want "Wake up little susie" stuck in my head much longer |
| 03:08:07 | whardier | and I think my cats were getting tired of me singing it |
| 03:08:07 | VerxHome | darienm: And there is supposed to be an area at the top without anything in it - that will have some icons later on |
| 03:08:49 | darienm | VerxHome: What's Im saying is.. if it runs on the Z, you can take a picture of it... no? |
| 03:09:02 | VerxHome | darienm: I am on an iPAQ, not a Z |
| 03:09:14 | VerxHome | my screen is upside down, and my firewall blocks scap |
| 03:09:38 | darienm | VerxHome: I have it up --- you WANT some screen shots ?? |
| 03:09:56 | VerxHome | yeah, if you could scap one, I think it would help people see what I am talking about |
| 03:10:07 | darienm | Hell, I'll take one of each tab. |
| 03:10:11 | VerxHome | well |
| 03:10:13 | darienm | I do it on the desktop via VNC |
| 03:10:19 | darienm | er no? |
| 03:10:19 | VerxHome | you will find out rapidly there isn't any point |
| 03:10:22 | darienm | koay |
| 03:10:26 | VerxHome | the stats tab is the only one populated |
| 03:10:26 | VerxHome | :) |
| 03:10:34 | VerxHome | I only started this app this evening |
| 03:12:43 | darienm | VerxHome: DCC coming at you |
| 03:13:40 | VerxHome | darienm: It said you didn't have the file |
| 03:13:49 | darienm | er. |
| 03:13:50 | darienm | weird |
| 03:14:04 | VerxHome | try again |
| 03:14:08 | VerxHome | I think I know what was wrong |
| 03:14:17 | VerxHome | there we go |
| 03:14:18 | VerxHome | thanks |
| 03:14:24 | darienm | sure thing, anytime. |
| 03:14:31 | VerxHome | so you see the widgets now |
| 03:14:37 | codemnky | i see them |
| 03:14:40 | VerxHome | I counted them, there are 60 right now |
| 03:14:49 | angrybsd | what are widgets |
| 03:14:51 | VerxHome | and will be another 3 or so on that first tab before I am done |
| 03:14:53 | codemnky | are they pink? |
| 03:15:53 | codemnky | laf |
| 03:15:55 | codemnky | that was a joke |
| 03:15:56 | codemnky | haha |
| 03:16:53 | whardier | apparently one of my fillings is picking up an oldies station |
| 03:17:40 | kergoth`coding | did you hit it, to try to get it to pick up a decent station? |
| 03:19:55 | kergoth`coding | re Cloudchaser |
| 03:20:05 | Cloudchaser | heya :) |
| 03:20:50 | kergoth`coding | cranks the music |
| 03:21:02 | Cloudchaser | whatcha coding? |
| 03:21:40 | kergoth`coding | I quit trying to get the flash mounted readwrite for now, and i'm working on the rest of the kernel stuff.. getting the Z keyboard ported to the nwe kernel and stuff |
| 03:21:47 | jmhodges | heya Cloudchaser |
| 03:22:13 | Cloudchaser | hiya jm |
| 03:22:18 | jay__ | any new versions of the qtopia program for sl 5500 |
| 03:22:19 | Cloudchaser | what new kernel? |
| 03:23:41 | kergoth`coding | Cloudchaser: 2.5.26-rmk1 |
| 03:24:11 | Cloudchaser | is that for new oz version? |
| 03:24:55 | kergoth`coding | Cloudchaser: nah even OZ isnt THAT beta |
| 03:24:57 | kergoth`coding | Cloudchaser: :-) |
| 03:25:14 | kergoth`coding | Cloudchaser: this is to get it accepted in the mainline kernel tree, then i'm backporting it to 2.4.19 for the next release |
| 03:25:51 | Cloudchaser | ok...not exactly sure what that means but..i'll take your word for it |
| 03:27:01 | kergoth`coding | 2.5 is beta. 2.4 is stable |
| 03:27:14 | kergoth`coding | backport is just to take the changes i'm putting in 2.5.26 into 2.4.19 |
| 03:27:36 | jmhodges | is astonished at kergoth`coding's hacking skills |
| 03:27:45 | Cloudchaser | hehe me too jmhodges |
| 03:27:52 | angrybsd | too |
| 03:28:03 | jmhodges | thanks i thought it was just me :D |
| 03:28:10 | angrybsd | hehe |
| 03:28:17 | Cloudchaser | i feel soooo...dumb in here most of the time ;) |
| 03:28:27 | jmhodges | Same HERE! |
| 03:28:29 | kergoth`coding | nono, i dont have any real skills, i'm just superb at managing to fumble my way through things |
| 03:28:40 | prpplague | he has to have good coding skills to clean up the mess's at digi........ |
| 03:28:49 | kergoth`coding | hah |
| 03:28:50 | jmhodges | glares at the humble kergoth |
| 03:28:52 | kergoth`coding | too bad nobody listens :-) |
| 03:28:56 | jmhodges | hehehe prpplague |
| 03:28:57 | Cloudchaser | i don't quite believe that kergoth |
| 03:29:57 | Cloudchaser | ok.. i'm going to blow away my z and start all over but want to save my data.. |
| 03:30:02 | jay__ | ./qtopiadesktop: error while loading shared libraries: libpalmtopcenter.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 03:30:05 | jay__ | :( |
| 03:30:06 | Cloudchaser | if i save just home/root that will do it? |
| 03:30:45 | jmhodges | jay__: symlinks are your friend |
| 03:31:02 | jmhodges | jay__: symlink all the libs in there to what is called by ./qtopiadesktop |
| 03:31:18 | Cloudchaser | kergoth: will there be oz without security any time? |
| 03:31:29 | jay__ | i tried to symlink from qtopia directory to /usr/lib |
| 03:31:31 | Cloudchaser | or do we have to wait for the new qtopia desktop to come out? |
| 03:31:34 | jay__ | dont work |
| 03:31:42 | jmhodges | jay__: no no no .. i meant sigh.. |
| 03:31:47 | kergoth`coding | Cloudchaser: i'll do a new OZ to back it out for now |
| 03:31:50 | kergoth`coding | Cloudchaser: just havent had the time |
| 03:31:56 | jmhodges | jay__: you symlink the libs inside the qtopiadesktop dir |
| 03:32:08 | jmhodges | jay__: to what is called for by the binary |
| 03:32:08 | jmhodges | ie |
| 03:32:37 | jmhodges | ln -s libpalmtopcenter.so.1.0.0 libpalmtopcenter.so.1 |
| 03:32:50 | jmhodges | and do that thing for all three of the libs |
| 03:32:54 | prpplague | man this xfree86 4.1 build is buggy and weird compared to 4.2 |
| 03:33:04 | jmhodges | libqt.so.3librsync.so.1 are the other too |
| 03:33:10 | Cloudchaser | jay__: http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/sync_linux.shtml |
| 03:33:22 | Cloudchaser | that tells all ;) |
| 03:33:38 | Cloudchaser | thanks kergoth.. i know you're very busy.. |
| 03:33:58 | Cloudchaser | i do apppreciate what all of you do |
| 03:33:59 | darienm | Does anybody else sometimes get errors that their SD card has become read-only, which is corrected by a reboot? |
| 03:34:20 | Cloudchaser | darienm: my sd card hasn't ever had that happen |
| 03:34:35 | darienm | Mine just started a week ago, had no issues for the prior 3 weeks |
| 03:34:50 | darienm | its intermittent, usually after running ipkg for an install or uninstall |
| 03:34:53 | jay__ | nah dont work |
| 03:35:13 | kergoth`coding | jay__: so experiment, you'll get it |
| 03:35:24 | kergoth`coding | grumbles about qtopia desktop, then goes back to coding |
| 03:35:38 | jay__ | k |
| 03:36:13 | Cloudchaser | hehe kergoth.. it stinks but its what he have :( |
| 03:36:42 | jmhodges | :) |
| 03:36:49 | kergoth`coding | until kitchensync of course, for the linux folks |
| 03:36:50 | jmhodges | ill take scp thanks |
| 03:36:54 | kergoth`coding | i look forward to kde 3.1 |
| 03:36:55 | kergoth`coding | :-) |
| 03:37:00 | jmhodges | mmm.. kitchensync |
| 03:37:15 | Cloudchaser | that will be good |
| 03:37:23 | jmhodges | that and kppp will be the only reason i will have kde on my hd |
| 03:37:29 | kergoth`coding | hah |
| 03:37:31 | Cloudchaser | won't help with windows... but its one part of the problem |
| 03:37:50 | jmhodges | you cooooould port it ;) |
| 03:37:56 | kergoth`coding | Cloudchaser: they need a means of adding plugins to intellisync.. thatd rock.. add a plugin for outlook express.. etc.. |
| 03:38:03 | kergoth`coding | jmhodges: kde 3.1 + cygwin anyone? lol |
| 03:38:08 | Cloudchaser | i agree but even whats there doesn't work |
| 03:38:15 | jmhodges | YES! cygwin! lol |
| 03:38:21 | Cloudchaser | i really want to figure out unison |
| 03:38:24 | jmhodges | only thing that got me through when i had a winmodem |
| 03:38:25 | kergoth`coding | cygwin rocks |
| 03:38:31 | Cloudchaser | whats cygwin? |
| 03:38:38 | jmhodges | oh its soooo sweet |
| 03:38:42 | angrybsd | linux emu for windows |
| 03:38:42 | jmhodges | *nix commands on windows |
| 03:38:49 | jmhodges | its aaawesome! |
| 03:38:51 | jmhodges | and fast! |
| 03:38:55 | jmhodges | and complete! |
| 03:39:02 | Cloudchaser | i just want file synching |
| 03:39:06 | Cloudchaser | sighs |
| 03:39:11 | whardier | Cloudchaser :) |
| 03:39:13 | whardier | hugs Cloudchaser |
| 03:39:14 | jmhodges | its almostas good as having truly native nix commands |
| 03:39:23 | Cloudchaser | thanks whardier :) |
| 03:39:24 | whardier | ssh and rsync are your bitches |
| 03:39:35 | jmhodges | lol |
| 03:39:49 | Cloudchaser | on windows? |
| 03:39:57 | Cloudchaser | copying files isn't the issue |
| 03:40:01 | Cloudchaser | i can do that |
| 03:40:09 | Cloudchaser | got samba, ftp blah blah |
| 03:40:10 | whardier | the whole synching thing |
| 03:40:11 | whardier | yeah |
| 03:40:15 | whardier | well.. there is no good solution |
| 03:40:25 | whardier | because the transport.. even if available.. would never know what to do withpermissions |
| 03:40:27 | Cloudchaser | its...keeping revisions straight and automating the process |
| 03:40:37 | whardier | from ext2/jffs2 to vfat |
| 03:40:41 | whardier | its just dumb stupid poo |
| 03:41:55 | Cloudchaser | oh bleh.. i can't cope with setting everything up all over again :( |
| 03:42:31 | kergoth`coding | daft punk is nifty |
| 03:42:42 | Cloudchaser | hey if i hard reboot |
| 03:42:46 | Cloudchaser | then install an app |
| 03:42:51 | Cloudchaser | then restore the backup |
| 03:43:00 | Cloudchaser | will the app i install be gone? |
| 03:43:16 | Wembly | anyone know a good win32 flag text file log rotation program? |
| 03:44:02 | W|GG-Libranet | yeah, the app will be gone, i think |
| 03:44:22 | kergoth`coding | MDFMK. good music. |
| 03:44:40 | W|GG-Libranet | hrmm...i want music...need to get the sound working on this box |
| 03:45:14 | angrybsd | W|GG-Libranet: sound works on your zaurus but not your desktop? :) |
| 03:45:28 | W|GG-Libranet | i just installed this distro last night |
| 03:45:37 | kergoth`coding | W|GG-Libranet: i only just got my sound up today, finally bothered to install alsa |
| 03:45:37 | kergoth`coding | heh |
| 03:45:42 | W|GG-Libranet | minus sound (ISA card) |
| 03:45:48 | Cloudchaser | thanks W|GG-Libranet |
| 03:45:55 | W|GG-Libranet | i can never get also to work |
| 03:46:08 | W|GG-Libranet | at least, not with this card |
| 03:46:26 | W|GG-Libranet | Cloudchaser: np |
| 03:46:34 | kergoth`coding | ive still got an onboard sound deal |
| 03:46:37 | kergoth`coding | via8233 |
| 03:46:47 | kergoth`coding | i really really need a new sound card.. my sblive went bad |
| 03:46:48 | kergoth`coding | heh |
| 03:47:27 | darienm | Who has the 'bastard' songs on their site? |
| 03:47:31 | darienm | anybody here? |
| 03:47:58 | W|GG-Libranet | on the other box, it was using an onboard one and it wouldn't detect or install, so i disabled it and went to BB and bought a cheapass one (SB PCI) |
| 03:48:00 | kergoth`coding | bastard songs? |
| 03:48:24 | codemnky | there's that lingo again |
| 03:48:28 | kergoth`coding | hehe |
| 03:48:31 | codemnky | :P |
| 03:48:42 | kergoth`coding | hmm what was hte url of the debian package feed for e17 from cvs again |
| 03:48:42 | codemnky | i can only open 1 eye |
| 03:48:50 | W|GG-Libranet | hey, bastard's not a bad word...its in the dictionary...hehe |
| 03:49:07 | codemnky | so |
| 03:49:11 | codemnky | what you are saying is |
| 03:49:16 | darienm | it is whardier |
| 03:49:22 | codemnky | if it's in the dictionary it's not bad? |
| 03:49:33 | W|GG-Libranet | bad is relative anyways |
| 03:49:37 | kergoth`coding | darienm: whardier's a bastard? |
| 03:49:44 | darienm | nah, music |
| 03:50:01 | W|GG-Libranet | what's bad to one isn't necessarily bad to another |
| 03:50:14 | W|GG-Libranet | and it depends on the context |
| 03:50:26 | darienm | kergoth`coding: his bandwidth is a bastard, though |
| 03:54:48 | W|GG-Libranet | re jmhodges_ |
| 03:55:26 | prpplague | evening there jmhodges_ |
| 03:56:24 | jmhodges_ | hewwo |
| 03:58:11 | VerxHome | can someone with Qt experience tell me - if you have a tabwidget filling an ENTIRE window, do you put the tabwidget inside a layout? |
| 04:03:19 | Cloudchaser | ok here goes nothing |
| 04:06:00 | jmhodges | what you doin Cloudchaser? |
| 04:07:14 | Cloudchaser | hard resetting my z |
| 04:07:18 | Cloudchaser | starting all over |
| 04:07:29 | Cloudchaser | hoping i backed up everything i need |
| 04:08:27 | jmhodges | ah right |
| 04:09:02 | jmhodges | gl |
| 04:09:51 | Cloudchaser | thanks |
| 04:13:34 | W|GG-Libranet | ahhh....sound working |
| 04:13:40 | W|GG-Libranet | papa roach |
| 04:14:21 | Cloudchaser | darienm: you still here? |
| 04:14:21 | kergoth`coding | nice |
| 04:17:36 | W|GG-Libranet | whoaaaa |
| 04:17:51 | jmhodges | ACK |
| 04:18:27 | kergoth`coding | heh |
| 04:18:28 | kergoth`coding | damn splits |
| 04:18:45 | kergoth`coding | remembers saying that every 5 minutes on efnet |
| 04:19:00 | cdm | hurm. |
| 04:19:04 | whardier | geg |
| 04:19:06 | kergoth`coding | hey cdm |
| 04:19:06 | whardier | heh |
| 04:19:07 | prpplague | i've not seen that many ppl leave since the last time i was at the nudie bar and someone yelled "this is a raid!" |
| 04:19:07 | whardier | even |
| 04:19:08 | kergoth`coding | howgoes it |
| 04:19:09 | cdm | hey kergoth`coding |
| 04:19:14 | cdm | purrty good |
| 04:19:49 | whardier | enter the tired |
| 04:20:46 | jmhodges | lol prpplague |
| 04:20:56 | prpplague | for anyone that cares, i've just built, flash, and tested x as part of the oz buildroot! w00t |
| 04:20:58 | jmhodges | hwhwe whardier |
| 04:23:32 | prpplague | well guys, i'm done for the evening, i feel the urge for a late night playing of "blade runner" and a beer |
| 04:23:46 | kergoth`coding | prpplague: nice... drop me an email with the .mks and i'll add em to cvs |
| 04:23:51 | kergoth`coding | prpplague: ttyl |
| 04:24:19 | jmhodges | gnight prpplague |
| 04:24:30 | jmhodges | .mks? |
| 04:24:31 | prpplague | kergoth`coding: will do, got a few more tweeks to do, unlike work, i'm not letting this one out the door till i can say i'm proud of it |
| 04:24:49 | prpplague | night all |
| 04:25:25 | cdm | kergoth`coding: got the flash read/write finally? |
| 04:26:06 | kergoth`coding | cdm: nah, it doesnt like me, so i took a break and started finishing up the rest of things.. the keymaps, sound drivers, etc. |
| 04:27:10 | jmhodges | what is .mks? |
| 04:27:14 | VerxHome | darienm: Are you still around? |
| 04:27:19 | cdm | kergoth`coding: cool stuff. |
| 04:27:21 | darienm | yeah |
| 04:27:33 | VerxHome | I will have another one for you to look at in prolly 15 minutes or so |
| 04:27:36 | VerxHome | will you be around? |
| 04:27:49 | shoe | anyone know where I can nuke stuff out of the file system... I keep running out of space... even when trying to just install apps to sd card |
| 04:27:55 | Cloudchaser | darienm: i have question for you |
| 04:28:10 | darienm | VerxHome yes |
| 04:28:10 | codemnky | hi |
| 04:28:12 | Cloudchaser | the tmpramdisk...i installed it. do i have to do anything with it to set it up? |
| 04:28:12 | codemnky | http://www.oddabon.com/hi.jpg |
| 04:28:13 | darienm | Cloudchaser: go ahead |
| 04:28:24 | VerxHome | ok, cool |
| 04:28:25 | darienm | Cloudchaser: whose tmpramdisk? |
| 04:28:29 | darienm | Cloudchaser: the one from nethack? |
| 04:28:40 | Cloudchaser | hmm i thought it was you who told me about it |
| 04:28:46 | darienm | codemnky: cute, very cute, will you marry me? |
| 04:28:47 | Cloudchaser | yes i think so |
| 04:28:55 | darienm | Cloudchaser: I have one of my own at http://zaurus.kruss.com |
| 04:29:06 | codemnky | mahaha |
| 04:29:11 | darienm | Cloudchaser: but I think someone else was teling you to go to the nethack site for one |
| 04:29:25 | Cloudchaser | yours is different? |
| 04:29:27 | kergoth`coding | Cloudchaser: I think neo was telling you about it the other day |
| 04:29:42 | Cloudchaser | nods probly kergoth ;) |
| 04:31:51 | whardier | this womens channel |
| 04:32:02 | whardier | is incredibly femininene |
| 04:32:16 | whardier | go.fig |
| 04:32:20 | whardier | night folks :) |
| 04:32:21 | jmhodges | lol |
| 04:32:27 | jmhodges | gnight whardier |
| 04:32:34 | whardier | gnight jmhodges |
| 04:32:36 | whardier | sleep tight |
| 04:32:48 | jmhodges | dont let the bed bugs bite |
| 04:32:48 | whardier | don't let.. the.. uhm.. human flesh eaters bite? |
| 04:32:48 | whardier | well |
| 04:32:51 | whardier | maybe they should |
| 04:32:52 | codemnky | later time to crawl from the chair to the toliet |
| 04:32:53 | jmhodges | lo |
| 04:32:53 | jmhodges | l |
| 04:32:57 | whardier | I wouldn't mind a nibble |
| 04:33:00 | jmhodges | lol codemnky |
| 04:33:03 | W|GG-Libranet | nite dude |
| 04:33:05 | jmhodges | oh god.. i love this room |
| 04:33:09 | Cloudchaser | g'night |
| 04:33:10 | whardier | bah.. stupid TV |
| 04:33:11 | codemnky | bye |
| 04:33:12 | whardier | runs away |
| 04:33:20 | kergoth`coding | whardier: flesh eaters? wtf are you watching? |
| 04:33:22 | kergoth`coding | hehh |
| 04:33:23 | W|GG-Libranet | tmi |
| 04:33:23 | W|GG-Libranet | hehe |
| 04:33:55 | jmhodges | lol |
| 04:34:16 | jmhodges | bashes cups and lprng for good measure |
| 04:34:18 | kergoth`coding | hmmm |
| 04:34:26 | jmhodges | i give up |
| 04:34:27 | Cloudchaser | darienm: where on your site? |
| 04:34:29 | kergoth`coding | ponders porting the Z keyboard driver to the input layer |
| 04:34:55 | jmhodges | hey kergoth`coding.. i hope to god you werent expecting some kind of answer from the majority of us |
| 04:35:04 | darienm | Cloudchaser http://zaurus.kruss.com/software.php |
| 04:35:08 | jmhodges | if so.. um.. uh.. do it? |
| 04:35:13 | Cloudchaser | i'm there |
| 04:35:18 | kergoth`coding | jmhodges: nono, i'm just talking to myself |
| 04:35:20 | kergoth`coding | eheh |
| 04:35:30 | darienm | Cloudchaser: look under 'swap space' |
| 04:35:40 | Cloudchaser | oh.. i had that also |
| 04:35:50 | Cloudchaser | i did swap space |
| 04:35:55 | jmhodges | heheheh kergoth`coding |
| 04:36:08 | kergoth`coding | hm i need to get better at navigating in X with th ekeyboard |
| 04:36:13 | Cloudchaser | what the tmpramdisk does is use the program ram as tmp to install i think |
| 04:36:13 | TrekCycling | kergoth`coding: what does that mean? The part about the input layer. |
| 04:36:20 | Cloudchaser | rather than the user ram |
| 04:36:46 | Cloudchaser | useful if you run short of space |
| 04:36:52 | kergoth`coding | TrekCycling: There's now a standard api for devices which are used for input.. mice.. keyboards.. joysticks, touchscreens, etc.. but not every driver is converted to it yet |
| 04:37:16 | darienm | Cloudchaser: I dunno about that |
| 04:37:22 | jmhodges | ah |
| 04:37:24 | TrekCycling | standard API for Linux for the Z? |
| 04:37:36 | jmhodges | kergoth`coding: if you feel like it wouldnt hurt your other projects do it :) |
| 04:37:39 | kergoth`coding | TrekCycling: standard *input* api, for linux in general |
| 04:37:47 | TrekCycling | ah |
| 04:38:42 | kergoth`coding | GET OUT OF MY HEAD!! |
| 04:38:45 | kergoth`coding | i love this song |
| 04:38:56 | whardier | haha |
| 04:39:02 | whardier | search for ls on gift |
| 04:39:08 | whardier | thats kinda interesting |
| 04:39:09 | kergoth`coding | mdfmk - get out of my head |
| 04:39:10 | kergoth`coding | ls? |
| 04:39:12 | kergoth`coding | hah |
| 04:39:21 | whardier | ls-lR.gz |
| 04:39:37 | TrekCycling | off to bed. later |
| 04:39:39 | kergoth`coding | hah |
| 04:39:44 | whardier | bah |
| 04:39:46 | whardier | I should be sleeping |
| 04:39:55 | kergoth`coding | nono, you should be coding |
| 04:40:03 | whardier | nono |
| 04:40:04 | kergoth`coding | i want that as like a sticker or something. "I'd rather be coding." |
| 04:40:08 | whardier | the world is much better with me sleeping |
| 04:40:34 | kergoth`coding | how would you know? you'd be sleeping at the time |
| 04:40:40 | W|GG-Libranet | lol |
| 04:40:44 | whardier | I have my eyes |
| 04:40:53 | kergoth`coding | you sleep with your eyes open? |
| 04:41:05 | kergoth`coding | that reminds me of the 'mom' in Throw Momma From the Train. you remember that movie? |
| 04:41:11 | W|GG-Libranet | he monitors the world with TiVo |
| 04:41:19 | kergoth`coding | that old hag slept with her eyes open. freaked him out when he went to smother her with the pillow |
| 04:41:27 | whardier | hahahaha |
| 04:41:27 | W|GG-Libranet | lol |
| 04:41:29 | whardier | ok |
| 04:41:30 | whardier | sleep |
| 04:41:34 | Cloudchaser | ok darienm: installing tkc rekall yet again with your script onto empty z |
| 04:41:34 | whardier | pops in a farscape divx |
| 04:41:41 | kergoth`coding | farscape rocks. |
| 04:41:45 | kergoth`coding | night whardier |
| 04:41:46 | sjohnson | Tivo! Don't watch TV without it... |
| 04:41:50 | W|GG-Libranet | i keep missing farscape |
| 04:41:57 | kergoth`coding | sniffle. i dont have cable. |
| 04:41:59 | kergoth`coding | or a tivo |
| 04:41:59 | Cloudchaser | 'nighters whardier |
| 04:42:00 | W|GG-Libranet | never seen it ... seen the previews tho |
| 04:42:03 | kergoth`coding | is deprived |
| 04:42:09 | darienm | Cloudchaser: good luck |
| 04:42:16 | kergoth`coding | W|GG-Libranet: ack, watch it! |
| 04:42:17 | W|GG-Libranet | imma ask my wife for either a digital cam or a tivo for xmas |
| 04:42:21 | Cloudchaser | darienm: hehe thanks :) |
| 04:42:22 | sjohnson | W|GG-Libranet: You don't know what your missing. Farscape Rock! |
| 04:43:12 | W|GG-Libranet | i'll set the vcr...or my xp machine, to record it |
| 04:43:33 | W|GG-Libranet | the previews look like its pretty good |
| 04:43:40 | kergoth`coding | downloads some Oakenfold |
| 04:44:07 | kergoth`coding | i need to resurrect my mp3 collection |
| 04:44:08 | angrybsd | cowboy beebop! |
| 04:44:41 | W|GG-Libranet | damn...i shoulda bought that 256mb CF card that was like $60 |
| 04:44:49 | jmhodges | cool, python for the Z |
| 04:44:53 | jmhodges | how the hell did i miss this before? |
| 04:44:56 | W|GG-Libranet | i coulda used it on my flight, with the Z |
| 04:45:54 | jmhodges | give XavierXeon my "holy shit this is sweet" for that konqstart app |
| 04:46:06 | jmhodges | wish i had a wireless net to use it on |
| 04:46:08 | Cloudchaser | darienm: i did get couple errors that file esists |
| 04:46:11 | Cloudchaser | exists |
| 04:46:33 | kergoth`coding | jmhodges: konqstart? |
| 04:46:57 | W|GG-Libranet | cd dos1 |
| 04:47:01 | W|GG-Libranet | crap |
| 04:47:09 | jmhodges | kergoth`coding: yah heres the link |
| 04:47:27 | jmhodges | http://home.arcor.de/xavierxeon/zaurus/tools/tools.html <-- its the inside of XavierXeons framed site |
| 04:47:35 | jmhodges | er.. one of the inside files i mean |
| 04:48:28 | kergoth`coding | jmhodges: thats handy |
| 04:48:58 | jmhodges | indeed it is |
| 04:49:06 | jmhodges | i would love to use it :/ |
| 04:49:20 | Cloudchaser | ok this is too freaky |
| 04:49:32 | jmhodges | uh oh |
| 04:49:36 | jmhodges | what Cloudchaser |
| 04:49:38 | Cloudchaser | i installed the tkckompany file |
| 04:49:42 | Cloudchaser | didn't get a tab |
| 04:49:52 | Cloudchaser | installed the rekall demo with darien's script |
| 04:50:04 | Cloudchaser | got a rekall icon on my apps tab |
| 04:51:20 | jmhodges | and what happened then |
| 04:51:36 | Cloudchaser | hehe nothing.. it seems to work |
| 04:51:46 | Cloudchaser | just very odd |
| 04:51:59 | Cloudchaser | i'll try again tomorrow.. wipe and install |
| 04:52:00 | jmhodges | lol |
| 04:52:01 | Cloudchaser | see what happens |
| 04:52:04 | jmhodges | ook |
| 04:52:33 | jmhodges | how long has this Random Project link been on freshmeat |
| 04:52:49 | daralc | hmm |
| 04:52:51 | daralc | jim hodges? |
| 04:52:54 | daralc | the governor? |
| 04:53:04 | jmhodges | lol |
| 04:53:06 | jmhodges | nope |
| 04:53:08 | daralc | jk |
| 04:53:13 | jmhodges | :D |
| 04:53:18 | daralc | i don't like the media player for zaurus, with the "bubble" look |
| 04:53:20 | daralc | can i replace it? |
| 04:53:23 | jmhodges | j is my first initial m is my second |
| 04:53:55 | jmhodges | daralc: someone.. i forget whoo.. oh! ljp is working on skinable mediaplayer2 |
| 04:53:55 | jmhodges | er.. |
| 04:53:58 | jmhodges | wait |
| 04:54:04 | jmhodges | daralc: sharp or OZ? |
| 04:54:06 | W|GG-Libranet | it would be cool if you could have skins for the sharp media player |
| 04:54:10 | daralc | OZ? |
| 04:54:14 | jmhodges | doh |
| 04:54:17 | | i think oz is see openzaurus or http://OpenZaurus.SourceForge.net/ |
| 04:54:17 | jmhodges | ibot oz? |
| 04:54:19 | daralc | i use sharp zaurus |
| 04:54:23 | jmhodges | right |
| 04:54:30 | jmhodges | daralc: no idea |
| 04:54:36 | W|GG-Libranet | can't use it with sharp's rom? |
| 04:54:56 | sj-zaurus | W| |
| 04:54:56 | kergoth`coding | opieplayer2 will probably work on the sharp rom once its functional |
| 04:55:12 | kergoth`coding | sj-zaurus: did your enter get in the way too? |
| 04:55:29 | kergoth`coding | i did that repeatedly today.. just hit enter in the middle of a sentence |
| 04:55:29 | sj-zaurus | yep. and fat fingers |
| 04:55:30 | kergoth`coding | really annoying |
| 04:55:46 | jmhodges | we are all very excited about the opie*2's |
| 04:55:52 | kergoth`coding | hehe |
| 04:56:01 | daralc | is there a link for popie3? |
| 04:56:02 | daralc | lkfjsd |
| 04:56:03 | daralc | opie2 |
| 04:56:03 | sj-zaurus | wishes for mental transcribing |
| 04:56:04 | W|GG-Libranet | that was prolly meant fo rme |
| 04:56:04 | W|GG-Libranet | hehe |
| 04:56:11 | W|GG-Libranet | i saw W| |
| 04:56:27 | kergoth`coding | daralc: its opie. opie has a media player.. its being rewritten. but the new one isnt available yet. |
| 04:56:30 | | rumour has it opie is the Open Palmtop Integrated Environment. More info can be found at http://opie.handhelds.org or in the #opie channel. or at http://www.opie.info or at http://www.opie.us or most important at http://www.opie.info or please read the installation instructions at http://opie.handhelds.org:80/wiki/index.php3?OpieInstallation |
| 04:56:30 | kergoth`coding | ibot: opie? |
| 04:56:32 | sjohnson | W|GG-Libranet: i meant to say what kergoth`coding said. |
| 04:56:40 | angrybsd | hihi |
| 04:56:49 | W|GG-Libranet | :o) |
| 04:57:14 | VerxHome | ok darienm, I am compiling it now |
| 04:57:17 | daralc | whats better about it over my original zaurus OS? |
| 04:57:29 | darienm | VerxHome Im still here |
| 04:58:04 | sjohnson | daralc: OZ is more hackable. OZ uses a r/w flash file system. |
| 04:58:25 | jmhodges | daralc: and no proprietary software in the ROM |
| 04:58:26 | daralc | ah cool |
| 04:58:32 | daralc | is it hard to setup? |
| 04:58:33 | jmhodges | daralc: ie no Opera or hancom |
| 04:58:37 | jmhodges | daralc: nope |
| 04:58:42 | daralc | what browser? |
| 04:58:47 | jmhodges | daralc: but it is still beta |
| 04:58:48 | jmhodges | konq |
| 04:58:53 | jmhodges | embedded konqueror |
| 04:58:56 | daralc | sweet |
| 04:59:08 | sjohnson | like konq-e better than opera |
| 04:59:11 | angrybsd | jmhodges: can it run all the applications the normal env. can? |
| 04:59:13 | daralc | is it possible to go back to my old in case something happens? |
| 04:59:14 | kergoth`coding | good saturday night.. drinking my long island, listening to some oakenfold, and coding.. |
| 04:59:35 | kergoth`coding | course a better saturday night would involve being out partying and women, definately women. |
| 04:59:38 | kergoth`coding | but this'll do |
| 04:59:41 | kergoth`coding | hehe |
| 04:59:42 | jmhodges | angrybsd: its trying very hard but as of yet no |
| 04:59:51 | kergoth`coding | daralc: yeah, you can flash the sharp rom again to go back |
| 04:59:52 | W|GG-Libranet | may buy some liquor tomorrow and ingredients for margaritas |
| 04:59:52 | sjohnson | daralc: You can run apps on on the sharp rom and oz. |
| 05:00:07 | W|GG-Libranet | i can drink once the kids are deeply asleep |
| 05:00:12 | daralc | can i run the software required to do sharp mobile? |
| 05:00:14 | daralc | with OZ? |
| 05:00:16 | VerxHome | kergoth`coding: I set everything up in layouts and it still doesn't respond to my opening the input method. . . |
| 05:00:29 | kergoth`coding | VerxHome: errr... odd |
| 05:00:48 | sjohnson | daralc: You be able to. OZ uses Opies which is a fork of the QTopia code. |
| 05:00:56 | kergoth`coding | VerxHome: I'm afraid my qt coding skills have gotten rusty while I sit in kernel space, I dunno what to have you try next :-) |
| 05:01:02 | VerxHome | kergoth`coding: Question - I have a tabwidget filling the entire dialog. The tab widget isn't in a layout, but EVERYTHING inside the widget is. Is that the problem? |
| 05:01:36 | kergoth`coding | VerxHome: hmm. could very well be, yes. see I've used layouts, but not with tabwidgets... so i dont know the specifics of this |
| 05:01:37 | kergoth`coding | heh |
| 05:01:48 | VerxHome | heh, ok |
| 05:02:00 | angrybsd | darienm: why do you on your site only use an m100 rom image? how about you go color for a 505 :) |
| 05:02:01 | sumeet_p | I have a 802.11b problem with CF Linksys WCF12 - any takers? (oh please oh please!) |
| 05:02:17 | angrybsd | sumeet_p: ahh i was thinking of getting one of those, i found a good deal on one |
| 05:02:20 | codemnky | i can't sleep |
| 05:02:22 | darienm | angrybsd: way too slow, requires too much ram |
| 05:02:23 | daralc | if i have my zaurus turned off, will the OPIE alarm clock still work right? |
| 05:02:31 | W|GG-Libranet | has a visor dx rom if anyone wants to play with it |
| 05:02:39 | angrybsd | darienm: ohh, that sucks |
| 05:03:07 | sjohnson | daralc: Yes. Opie used the RTC just like Qtopia does |
| 05:03:11 | angrybsd | sumeet_p: http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10328126 thats what i was thinking of getting |
| 05:03:11 | sumeet_p | angrybsd, have you got an 802.11b working on the zaurus? |
| 05:03:15 | daralc | RTC? |
| 05:03:19 | VerxHome | darienm: Did it run for you? |
| 05:03:24 | angrybsd | sumeet_p: nope, but WAS thinking of getting that card |
| 05:03:26 | W|GG-Libranet | uses a D-Link |
| 05:03:41 | sjohnson | daralc: Real Time Clock. you can use the RTC to wake up the Z |
| 05:03:48 | daralc | ah |
| 05:03:52 | sumeet_p | VerxHome, it's kinda weird. |
| 05:04:23 | sumeet_p | I edited the wg-lan.conf to add the string and manfid, the driver loads fine and I see eth0 with the MAC |
| 05:05:05 | sumeet_p | I had to edit the wg-lan.opts for SSID settings - "linux-wlan" to "Wireless", that's what my access point uses |
| 05:05:06 | | i guess darienm is Darien Kruss, author of Zaurus Geek website at http://zaurus.kruss.com/ |
| 05:05:06 | angrybsd | ibot darienm |
| 05:06:05 | darienm | VerxHome: yes, runs fine. |
| 05:06:14 | sumeet_p | now the card when plugged, GETS an IP address from the DHCP server, I could even run Opera for 10 minutes (max so far) and then it just loses the connection |
| 05:06:19 | VerxHome | what do you think of the changes? |
| 05:06:19 | daralc | will Sharp Mobile make modem dialing noises? |
| 05:06:22 | darienm | VerxHome: easier to follow, I think. What's your intention with all the text fields? |
| 05:06:54 | daralc | will i have to dialup for sharp mobiel? |
| 05:06:57 | daralc | sharp mobile |
| 05:07:00 | VerxHome | darienm: Well, the Name may end up being a label, but most everything else will be editable fields for the user to edit |
| 05:07:02 | codemnky | hey guys, excuse me |
| 05:07:14 | codemnky | i have to barrow some insults for a post |
| 05:07:18 | darienm | VerxHome: So you'll do x/+ in the fields? |
| 05:07:22 | VerxHome | darienm: You will be able to toggle having the program calculate your modifiers for you |
| 05:07:24 | darienm | VerxHome: or how will you separate them? |
| 05:07:33 | | MyCityReaper is nothing but a boil-brained half-mouthful of wretched guano. |
| 05:07:33 | codemnky | ibot insult MyCityReaper |
| 05:07:36 | | MyCityReaper is nothing but a pointy-nosed assload of sausage-snorfling Stimpy-drool. |
| 05:07:36 | codemnky | ibot insult MyCityReaper |
| 05:07:37 | VerxHome | darienm: Or you can put in what you want |
| 05:07:40 | darienm | is puzzled |
| 05:07:41 | | MyCityReaper is nothing but a pointy-nosed pile of lumpish gunk. |
| 05:07:41 | codemnky | ibot insult MyCityReaper |
| 05:07:42 | daralc | will i have to dialup for sharp mobile? |
| 05:07:45 | codemnky | that's enough |
| 05:07:48 | darienm | but not severely |
| 05:07:51 | VerxHome | darienm: x/+, what do you mean? |
| 05:07:57 | darienm | VerxHome: value/mod |
| 05:08:07 | VerxHome | well, let me give you an example |
| 05:08:12 | sjohnson | daralc: No. Sharp Mobiles uses CDPD. It's a full data service. |
| 05:08:13 | VerxHome | you are adding a new character |
| 05:08:17 | darienm | VerxHome: earlier you had two integers for each attribute, now there is only a single field. |
| 05:08:21 | daralc | sweet |
| 05:08:22 | daralc | like.. |
| 05:08:24 | VerxHome | you put in a strength of 9 |
| 05:08:26 | daralc | i have a verizon phone.. |
| 05:08:29 | daralc | it has wireless web |
| 05:08:30 | daralc | like that? |
| 05:08:46 | sumeet_p | daralc, verizon uses GPRS (iStream) IMHO |
| 05:09:07 | daralc | oh |
| 05:09:08 | sumeet_p | reboots zaurus |
| 05:09:14 | daralc | well, sharp mobile uses verizon? |
| 05:09:17 | daralc | it says so on their site |
| 05:09:27 | sumeet_p | lemme check |
| 05:09:29 | daralc | can i use my existing verizon service? |
| 05:09:37 | daralc | and just get the modem |
| 05:09:53 | sjohnson | daralc: Not exacly. CDPD is a data carrier service that runs in AMPS service areas. |
| 05:10:01 | daralc | yea |
| 05:10:09 | sumeet_p | oops! daralc, I'm mistaken, VoiceStream uses GPRS. |
| 05:10:29 | daralc | well the site (sharp mobiel) says i have excellent coverage for CDPD in my area |
| 05:10:29 | sumeet_p | got confused between VoiceStream and Verizon |
| 05:10:38 | daralc | i just don't want to have to buy out of my Verizon 2 year contract |
| 05:10:47 | sjohnson | daralc: AMPS is not the same are CDPD |
| 05:10:48 | daralc | wondered if i could utilize that somehow |
| 05:11:17 | sumeet_p | so far I checked out VoiceStream plans and they charge by the MB. |
| 05:11:21 | sumeet_p | eyerolls |
| 05:12:41 | daralc | is there an AIM client for OPIE? |
| 05:13:08 | sjohnson | daralc: yes. kinkata-lite (sp?) |
| 05:13:30 | sjohnson | has bee installing a lot of software in OZ lately. |
| 05:13:38 | daralc | * Unlimited data airtime from Verizon+ |
| 05:13:44 | daralc | thats what it says about sharp mobile... |
| 05:13:53 | daralc | since i use Verizon right now, can i use that contract? just change it? |
| 05:14:06 | daralc | i have a $170 or $270 buyout of that contract, and i can't have both |
| 05:14:20 | sumeet_p | that sucks. |
| 05:14:24 | | angrybsd: what? |
| 05:14:24 | angrybsd | ibot, aim |
| 05:14:27 | | angrybsd: what? |
| 05:14:27 | angrybsd | ibot kinkatta |
| 05:14:31 | | angrybsd: excuse me? |
| 05:14:31 | angrybsd | ibot, kinkatta lite |
| 05:14:45 | sjohnson | daralc: Probably not. Sharp is just contracting the the CDPD carrier for their service. |
| 05:15:23 | sjohnson | or it's sub-contracted out to another nation-wide CPDP service. |
| 05:15:24 | daralc | $39.95 monthly fee |
| 05:15:24 | daralc | * Unlimited data airtime from Verizon+ |
| 05:15:25 | daralc | * Service runs on reliable CDPD data network |
| 05:15:31 | daralc | that just sounds like my plan |
| 05:15:37 | angrybsd | darienm: is your screen protector still working out well for you? |
| 05:15:44 | kergoth`coding | hmm |
| 05:15:52 | daralc | for celluar, i might just call sharp mobile services and ask if they think it would be do-able |
| 05:15:53 | kergoth`coding | notices that he codes pretty well when he's been drinking |
| 05:16:00 | darienm | angrybsd: yes, very well |
| 05:16:25 | Speedy2 | kergoth`coding: Or maybe you just think that? :) |
| 05:16:28 | sumeet_p | notices 802.11b isn't wirelessing very well |
| 05:16:30 | darienm | angrybsd: I'm thrilled with the G2's |
| 05:16:31 | kergoth`coding | Speedy2: I was about to say that... |
| 05:16:34 | angrybsd | darienm: can you wipe the screen protector off if it gets dirty? |
| 05:16:40 | kergoth`coding | Speedy2: I guess I'll find out tomorrow :-) |
| 05:17:11 | angrybsd | darienm: i think i might get a 2 pack of those |
| 05:17:12 | kergoth`coding | Speedy2: well, at least i'm getting code written, rather than slackin off |
| 05:17:12 | kergoth`coding | :-) |
| 05:17:17 | angrybsd | darienm: even though they seem pretty pricey :) |
| 05:17:19 | darienm | angrybsd: I can wipe the exposed part |
| 05:17:31 | darienm | angrybsd: you won't catch me removing it from the Z anytime soon. |
| 05:17:48 | sjohnson | kergoth`coding: And you'll best asking yourself in the morining "What was I think?" ;) |
| 05:17:52 | darienm | angrybsd: (1) it was hard to get in, (2) its got a nice tight fit now, (3) its doing its job |
| 05:17:56 | sjohnson | ...ing |
| 05:18:01 | angrybsd | lol |
| 05:18:01 | sumeet_p | does anyone know of Java/Qt binding project? |
| 05:18:09 | kergoth`coding | sjohnson: hey, speaking of which.. i should comment my code tonight... |
| 05:18:13 | kergoth`coding | sjohnson: :-) |
| 05:18:19 | angrybsd | sumeet_p: i don't but the name sounds interesting |
| 05:18:23 | daralc|sleep | is away: sleep |
| 05:18:32 | kergoth`coding | sjohnson: boy thatd be out of the ordinary.. i dont comment enough, big surprise. heheh |
| 05:18:46 | sumeet_p | angrybsd, there is a project on sourceforge, works for Qt 2.3 |
| 05:19:06 | sjohnson | kergoth`coding: I think we all fail to comment enough. I know I do. |
| 05:19:11 | kergoth`coding | sjohnson: true taht |
| 05:19:12 | sumeet_p | http://sourceforge.net/projects/qtjava/ |
| 05:19:14 | kergoth`coding | s/aht/hat/ |
| 05:21:20 | kergoth`coding | re catalin |
| 05:22:18 | angrybsd | sumeet_p: when will they port that mother to the Z? |
| 05:22:20 | angrybsd | :) |
| 05:23:40 | sumeet_p | I don't know, nothing has happened since 2001 |
| 05:23:51 | | well, angrybsd is a whore |
| 05:23:51 | angrybsd | ibot, angrybsd |
| 05:23:53 | angrybsd | damnit |
| 05:24:11 | sumeet_p | Anymore C++ and I'll have to do something about it >-) |
| 05:24:22 | angrybsd | sumeet_p: lol |
| 05:25:00 | sumeet_p | I like Qt though, by far one if the best toolkits |
| 05:25:08 | sumeet_p | s/if/of |
| 05:25:37 | angrybsd | for Z development and syncing, wouldnt it be easy to just download that special demolinux zaurus dev. edition CD? |
| 05:25:56 | angrybsd | http://www.pellicosystems.com/devolinux/zdevolinux/ |
| 05:26:21 | W|GG-Libranet | is listening to Stairway to Heaven |
| 05:26:27 | sumeet_p | I have seen that mentioned before, haven't tried it yet |
| 05:26:37 | sumeet_p | Led Zeppelin? |
| 05:26:41 | W|GG-Libranet | yeah |
| 05:26:51 | sumeet_p | LZ is da true rock |
| 05:26:58 | darienm | is listening to Sweet Home Alabama |
| 05:27:23 | sumeet_p | I swear I remembered that one hit wonder band |
| 05:27:26 | sumeet_p | ducks |
| 05:27:30 | sumeet_p | ;-) |
| 05:27:46 | darienm | just before that madonna was playing |
| 05:27:47 | angrybsd | coding for KDE you need to use Qt? |
| 05:27:54 | darienm | And now... its.. |
| 05:28:01 | darienm | Lou Bega |
| 05:28:03 | kergoth`coding | listening to daft punk atm |
| 05:28:14 | kergoth`coding | lou bega.. his songs have a good beat, imho |
| 05:28:36 | sumeet_p | is listening to prism2_cs crapping out |
| 05:28:47 | erikd | cmp3[Pennywise - Alien [4:07] - 5.66MB] on [atlantis] |
| 05:28:47 | kergoth`coding | sumeet_p: hows it sound? ;-) |
| 05:28:48 | erikd | mmm |
| 05:28:55 | erikd | pennywise is great |
| 05:29:02 | kergoth`coding | erikd: what genre? |
| 05:29:07 | erikd | punk |
| 05:29:10 | erikd | :) |
| 05:29:14 | kergoth`coding | ah |
| 05:29:15 | angrybsd | is pimpin the ben folds |
| 05:29:16 | angrybsd | hehe |
| 05:29:22 | kergoth`coding | searches giFT some more |
| 05:30:10 | erikd | cmp3[Five for Fighting - Superman [3:45] - 3.43MB] on [atlantis] |
| 05:30:13 | darienm | ben folds, there's an angry man |
| 05:30:14 | erikd | this one's good, too |
| 05:30:21 | darienm | unhappy with his relationships. |
| 05:30:37 | sumeet_p | kergoth :- |
| 05:30:39 | sumeet_p | :-) |
| 05:30:46 | angrybsd | can i program my challenge program solely in Zdevmlinux? |
| 05:30:51 | angrybsd | err ZdemoLinux |
| 05:31:00 | erikd | ack... it's already 1:30! |
| 05:31:05 | erikd | i think it's time for bed :) |
| 05:31:07 | erikd | g'night guys |
| 05:31:15 | sumeet_p | I don't think so angrybsd |
| 05:31:18 | darienm | hasta erik |
| 05:31:43 | sumeet_p | you can use the Qt framebuffer |
| 05:33:57 | sumeet_p | has anybody gotten the QtDesigner to work with the Qtopia 1.5, I can't find how to start blank forms |
| 05:34:04 | sumeet_p | boy, do I have questions |
| 05:35:48 | W|GG-Libranet | what, no colors??? |
| 05:35:51 | W|GG-Libranet | heh |
| 05:40:21 | angrybsd | i think i just preformed a DTMF burp |
| 05:42:39 | sumeet_p | lemme see now, bluetooth anyone - I got it "sorta" working |
| 05:44:37 | [DrEvil] | I have bluetooth |
| 05:44:59 | kergoth`coding | sumeet_p: the german opie developers have added bluetooth apps to opie, fyi |
| 05:45:21 | [DrEvil] | kergoth`coding: do they work yet? |
| 05:45:28 | angrybsd | kergoth`coding: well doesnt opie have EVERYTHING ;) |
| 05:45:49 | [DrEvil] | it doesn't have a backup app |
| 05:46:01 | angrybsd | kergoth`coding: can opie sync with winXP? |
| 05:46:02 | [DrEvil] | or a package manager that works |
| 05:46:09 | angrybsd | QTopia Desktop on XP? |
| 05:47:04 | sumeet_p | DrEvil, what does your bluetooth PAN consist of? |
| 05:47:29 | [DrEvil] | my cell phone and my Z |
| 05:47:36 | sumeet_p | I use a Socket CF card and a 3Com pcmcia on the laptop |
| 05:47:37 | [DrEvil] | I also have a BT headset |
| 05:47:45 | sumeet_p | cool! |
| 05:47:51 | [DrEvil] | which would be dun if it worked with the Z |
| 05:47:53 | angrybsd | they should make BT wireless mice :) |
| 05:47:55 | sumeet_p | i use the bluez stack |
| 05:48:12 | [DrEvil] | I have a socket CF card |
| 05:48:39 | sumeet_p | my problem is that I can l2ping fine between the laptop and Z |
| 05:48:59 | sumeet_p | but I can't do the hcid or ppp over hcid etc. |
| 05:49:24 | sumeet_p | no wait, I can do 'hcitool inq' fine and no l2ping, |
| 05:49:32 | sumeet_p | it's late |
| 05:49:47 | angrybsd | i sure hope bluetooth doesnt catch on, that way we can all sniff 802.11b networks more plentiful! |
| 05:49:53 | nadav | I see nelson came on |
| 05:49:56 | sumeet_p | wonders if it's all the 2.4GHz "rays" |
| 05:50:57 | sumeet_p | hmm, angrybsd I don't know how that will work, at the moment I can't 802.11b and bluetooth to work with their own kind! |
| 05:51:21 | angrybsd | sumeet_p: hehe, i know a few people who have gotten that to work :) |
| 05:51:44 | sumeet_p | I'd also like to know such people at the moment ;-) |
| 05:53:15 | sumeet_p | hmm, maybe the 802.11b draws power that Z can't supply and hoses it's driver - how would one debug that? |
| 05:54:07 | Speedy2 | sumeet_p: By monitoring the power drawn by the card and knowing the Z's output capabilities. |
| 05:54:19 | sj-zaurus | Can't be. CF suppliees only 3.3 volts |
| 05:55:15 | Speedy2 | So? |
| 05:55:21 | Speedy2 | 3.3V is the voltage, what about the current draw? |
| 05:55:38 | sumeet_p | yeah that's what I meant - amperes |
| 05:55:43 | sj-zaurus | All CF cards are 3.3 volts |
| 05:55:46 | Speedy2 | SO WHAT? |
| 05:57:49 | sumeet_p | let's see, I rig a cable with a CF connector and socket and monitor the voltage lines? |
| 05:58:10 | sumeet_p | wishes for an oscilloscope |
| 05:58:36 | Speedy2 | sumeet_p: Well...you'd have to stick a shunt *IN SERIES* with the power lines... |
| 05:59:20 | sumeet_p | yes, I that is correct, I'm wondering how can I NOT introduce errors just because of this rig up |
| 05:59:58 | sumeet_p | where is the kernel log file? |
| 06:00:19 | sj-zaurus | use dmesg |
| 06:00:27 | sumeet_p | "/var/log/dmesg" doesn't seem to help |
| 06:00:31 | sumeet_p | hmm ok |
| 06:00:34 | sumeet_p | here goes |
| 06:00:36 | Speedy2 | sumeet_p: If you are serious about this, you'd need a CF extender and you'd need to put a meter in series or a resistor and a scope across it (requiring a 2-channel scope to make a differential measurement) |
| 06:01:16 | sumeet_p | yes Speedy2, you are absolutely correct, I'll have to monitor waveforms for any serious work |
| 06:01:38 | Speedy2 | I'd help, but I'm busy now. |
| 06:01:52 | sumeet_p | and making sure that I use something akin to sampling aka the shunt, |
| 06:01:56 | sj-zaurus | sumeet_p: use the dmesg command to print thr log |
| 06:01:57 | sumeet_p | sure, thanks Speedy2 |
| 06:02:16 | sumeet_p | ok |
| 06:03:07 | sj-zaurus | Speedy2: It late for me and my brain only has a couple of neurons fiiring |
| 06:03:10 | sumeet_p | i think Z needs a reboot |
| 06:04:01 | sumeet_p | "p80211knetdev_hard_start_xmit: Tx attempt prior to association" |
| 06:05:23 | angrybsd | schleepy shleep |
| 06:07:16 | sumeet_p | hmm got on the network now |
| 06:08:01 | sumeet_p | "dhcpcd uses obsolete (PF_INET,SOCK_PACKET)" |
| 06:08:18 | sumeet_p | can ping!!!! |
| 06:10:30 | sumeet_p | Opera is working over 802.11b, now comes the interesting part |
| 06:10:42 | sumeet_p | it drops connection anytime now |
| 06:11:15 | sj-zaurus | What driver are you using? |
| 06:11:24 | sumeet_p | prism2_cs |
| 06:11:29 | sumeet_p | the conn. is still up |
| 06:12:21 | sj-zaurus | try ftp or scp. i have same trouble using dlink and oinoco frivers |
| 06:13:01 | sumeet_p | ok |
| 06:13:06 | sj-zaurus | connection craps after a few hunderd K |
| 06:13:47 | sumeet_p | ok it crapped out |
| 06:14:13 | sj-zaurus | use dmesh to see driver msgs |
| 06:14:17 | sumeet_p | dmesg doesn't say anything |
| 06:14:30 | sj-zaurus | hrm. |
| 06:14:34 | sumeet_p | nope |
| 06:15:35 | sumeet_p | that's odd, when it usually loses connection, it starts blinking, this time blinking stopped but no connection aka no ping |
| 06:16:17 | sumeet_p | is there anything in "/proc" ? |
| 06:17:04 | sumeet_p | it can ping itseld |
| 06:17:22 | sj-zaurus | that doesn't hit the card |
| 06:17:55 | sumeet_p | yeah |
| 06:17:57 | sjohnson | sumeet_p: Do you have wirless tools installed? |
| 06:18:08 | sumeet_p | nope, where do I get 'em? |
| 06:18:20 | sjohnson | oz or zz feed |
| 06:18:25 | | i guess feeds is listed at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds |
| 06:18:25 | sjohnson | ibot: feeds |
| 06:18:28 | | it has been said that feed is a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus or http://opie.net.wox.org for cvs Opie |
| 06:18:29 | sjohnson | ibot: feed |
| 06:19:50 | sumeet_p | Got it!!! Thanks a lot!! |
| 06:20:49 | gabbar | ugh unplugged the wrong card |
| 06:25:18 | sjohnson | sumeet_p: You can use iwconfig to see status of WLan card |
| 06:26:26 | sumeet_p | sjohnson: thanks, I was hunting around for whatever the package installed |
| 06:27:09 | sjohnson | ipkg files <packagename> will list installed files. |
| 06:27:31 | sumeet_p | strange, I can ping it i.e. it got an address, iwconfig doesn't show anything |
| 06:28:40 | sjohnson | Hmm. that must meaning the prism_cs driver use wireless extensions. |
| 06:29:02 | sumeet_p | it says "eth0 no wireless extensions" |
| 06:29:10 | sumeet_p | and same for "lo" |
| 06:29:20 | sumeet_p | and that can't be "good" :-( |
| 06:29:26 | sumeet_p | but I can ping it |
| 06:30:18 | sjohnson | sumeet_p: It just meas that the prism_cs drivers doesn't use the wireless extentiosn that wireless-tools understands. |
| 06:30:31 | sjohnson | The wlan-ng utilities may work. |
| 06:30:44 | sumeet_p | ok, thanks!!! |
| 06:31:05 | sjohnson | sumeet_p: Are you using OZ or the Sharp ROM? |
| 06:31:29 | sumeet_p | Sharp ROM, upgraded to 2.37 |
| 06:31:58 | sumeet_p | how is OZ compared to Sharp? |
| 06:32:13 | sjohnson | Different. :) |
| 06:32:21 | sjohnson | 5000 or 5500? |
| 06:32:32 | sumeet_p | 5500 |
| 06:34:11 | sumeet_p | hmm, ftp works so far |
| 06:34:13 | sjohnson | sumeet_p: Well on the 5000 Sharp ROM wlan-ng is already installed. |
| 06:35:10 | sumeet_p | oh ok, I saw those files in /etc/pcmcia, wasn't sure if there was a separate download |
| 06:36:01 | sjohnson | Command are wlanctl-ng and wlancfg |
| 06:36:43 | sjohnson | wlancfg show <interface> will show configuation. (It's a bunch) |
| 06:37:16 | sumeet_p | I put the wlan monitor there, the signal is below 50% and quality as well |
| 06:38:21 | sumeet_p | holy shit! that IS a lot! |
| 06:39:07 | sumeet_p | dmesg says it's dropping frames |
| 06:39:11 | sumeet_p | so far so good |
| 06:39:17 | sumeet_p | i.e. I have connection |
| 06:39:26 | sumeet_p | lemme upload an MP3 file or something |
| 06:42:53 | sumeet_p | great, Windows Explorer crashed |
| 06:46:40 | sumeet_p | the connection is toast now, well sjohnson, thanks a lot for your help, I really appreciate it |
| 06:46:53 | sumeet_p | I think I'll get in touch with Sharp/Linksys |
| 06:47:32 | sj-zaurus | I've hard success with orinoco drivers |
| 06:47:59 | sj-zaurus | s/hard/had/ |
| 06:50:22 | sumeet_p | sj-zaurus: where do I get those drivers - the feed sites? |
| 06:51:38 | sj-zaurus | well they are in the kenel-modules ipkg but they can be compiled seperately |
| 06:51:57 | sumeet_p | ok, thanks a lot! |
| 06:52:31 | sumeet_p | uh oh, do you have cross compiler setup for StrongARM? |
| 06:53:14 | Speedy2 | sumeet_p |
| 06:53:17 | sj-zaurus | not for the zaurus environment. Try asking kergoth or someone else |
| 06:53:21 | Speedy2 | You can download many pre-built ones |
| 06:53:32 | Speedy2 | ftp.netwinder.org/users/c/chagas has an RPM |
| 06:53:45 | Speedy2 | A 2.95.2 toolchain (Linux, i386, cross for ARM) |
| 06:54:00 | Speedy2 | There is also the GNUPro XScale chain that will produce ARM v4 code |
| 06:54:42 | sumeet_p | may I please be directed to setting up toolchain instructions! that'll be very helpful! |
| 06:54:51 | Speedy2 | ftp.netwinder.org/users/c/chagas has an RPM |
| 06:54:57 | Speedy2 | You just install it...ya dig? :) |
| 06:54:59 | cdm | 2.96.2 has issues. |
| 06:55:02 | cdm | 2.95.2 |
| 06:55:08 | Speedy2 | cdm: What issues? |
| 06:55:11 | Speedy2 | 3.xx had even more IIRC |
| 06:55:12 | cdm | as does binutils pre 2.10 |
| 06:55:23 | cdm | Speedy2: generating incorrect code. |
| 06:55:40 | sj-zaurus | the hh.orf toolchain works for me |
| 06:55:44 | Speedy2 | Strange...2.95.2 was used to compile Sharp kernel, etc. |
| 06:55:54 | cdm | Speedy2: our ARM toolchain was the first to move to 2.95.3 and binutils 2.10 - long before anything else. |
| 06:55:59 | cdm | Speedy2: maybe that is why it is so slow? |
| 06:56:03 | cdm | ducks. |
| 06:56:15 | Speedy2 | cdm: I know the Thumb support is pretty broken |
| 06:56:21 | Speedy2 | cdm: What are you dudes using? 2.95.3? |
| 06:56:25 | cdm | yeah. |
| 06:56:33 | Speedy2 | Works well? |
| 06:56:35 | sumeet_p | is curious too |
| 06:56:54 | Speedy2 | cdm: Does it employ Peep Hole Optimization? |
| 06:57:31 | cdm | Speedy2: works pretty good. I doubt it does much in terms of really good optimzations vs. ARM's own compiler. |
| 06:57:44 | Speedy2 | cdm: Yes, but if it doesn't have "Peep Hole Optimization" I'm leaving |
| 06:58:18 | Speedy2 | cdm: Curious, do you dudes use standard libraries? Does that mean all code has to be given out? |
| 06:59:20 | sj-zaurus | Speedy2: No. the libraries are lgpl not gpl |
| 06:59:27 | sumeet_p | does anybody know of a wireless monitor tool for Windows? |
| 07:00:04 | cdm | Speedy2: we have our own C and C++ libs - the GNU stuff is huge and slow and generally non-conforming (C++). |
| 07:00:07 | Speedy2 | sj-zaurus: Is newlib also like that? |
| 07:00:17 | Speedy2 | cdm: I see. |
| 07:00:43 | cdm | Speedy2: we actually licence DinkumWare's stuff for C++ and C99. |
| 07:01:00 | sj-zaurus | Speedy2: I don't know. |
| 07:01:01 | cdm | although we do have the GNU C++ libs for x86. |
| 07:01:18 | W|GGL|T | is away: I'm busy |
| 07:02:05 | W|GG-Libranet | is away: I'm busy or asleep |
| 07:12:56 | Hellaenergy | good evening |
| 07:13:08 | cdm | evening. |
| 07:13:27 | Hellaenergy | ya whatever :) |
| 07:14:58 | cdm | hurm? |
| 07:20:29 | Hellaenergy | http://www.linuxsphere.org/undersigned/?posted=1 |
| 07:21:00 | darienm | wow, that's brash |
| 07:21:29 | Hellaenergy | love it or leave it |
| 07:22:04 | darienm | well, just to come in and say all of 4 words then throw that link at us. |
| 07:22:17 | darienm | has seen it before, btw. |
| 07:22:35 | Hellaenergy | sorry |
| 07:22:47 | Hellaenergy | I didn't mean to be powerful |
| 07:22:57 | Hellaenergy | :) |
| 07:22:57 | darienm | no need to apologize, you have your opinions and so do I. I thought it was brash. :) |
| 07:23:39 | darienm | its neither a positive nor negative connotation. kinda like 'assertive'. |
| 07:23:48 | darienm | its all in how you use it. |
| 07:23:58 | darienm | So, do you have a Zaurus, or just spreading the word? |
| 07:24:08 | Hellaenergy | what kind of opinions do you have? thats weird |
| 07:24:19 | Hellaenergy | yes I have a Z |
| 07:24:25 | darienm | which model? |
| 07:24:32 | Hellaenergy | 5000d |
| 07:24:34 | darienm | like it? |
| 07:24:43 | Hellaenergy | love it |
| 07:24:53 | darienm | user or programmer? |
| 07:25:14 | Hellaenergy | both |
| 07:25:18 | Speedy2 | Dealer |
| 07:25:27 | Hellaenergy | of what |
| 07:25:36 | Speedy2 | You tell me |
| 07:26:10 | Hellaenergy | love for opensource and linux |
| 07:26:22 | darienm | cars, cards, drugs, happiness, goodwill..... |
| 07:26:38 | Hellaenergy | right on |
| 07:27:00 | darienm | is that (opensource) and (linux) or is it (opensource and linux) ? |
| 07:27:53 | darienm | he ponders.... |
| 07:27:53 | Hellaenergy | the latter |
| 07:28:00 | darienm | he answers..... |
| 07:28:21 | Hellaenergy | wonders |
| 07:30:41 | | 31536000 |
| 07:30:41 | darienm | ibot 86400 * 365 |
| 07:30:47 | darienm | thanks! |
| 07:31:33 | | thanks darienm :) |
| 07:31:33 | darienm | ibot, you are so cool |
| 07:31:59 | | darienm: excuse me? |
| 07:31:59 | darienm | ibot, give me a hug |
| 07:32:02 | darienm | awww |
| 07:32:06 | darienm | where's the love |
| 07:32:28 | Hellaenergy | love this channel |
| 07:32:47 | Hellaenergy | loves!!!! |
| 07:33:03 | darienm | eh, this channel is okay. but too many people just come here to screw with ibot. |
| 07:33:08 | darienm | or to order a drink from sugar |
| 07:33:23 | darienm | or to spam non-relevant web addresses. |
| 07:33:31 | darienm | oops, did I say that out loud? |
| 07:33:37 | Hellaenergy | if its last call yet? |
| 07:33:45 | darienm | what do you want? |
| 07:33:51 | darienm | name your poison |
| 07:34:11 | darienm | nothing too hard to make |
| 07:34:17 | Hellaenergy | a smooth sendmail installation please. |
| 07:34:17 | darienm | we never close |
| 07:34:35 | darienm | sugar, give Hellaenergy a smooth sendmail installation |
| 07:34:54 | darienm | sugar make Hellaenergy a smooth sendmail installation |
| 07:34:56 | Hellaenergy | reaches out |
| 07:34:57 | nadav | lol |
| 07:35:07 | darienm | sugar,give Hellaenergy a smooth sendmail installation |
| 07:35:13 | darienm | sugar give Hellaenergy a smooth sendmail installation |
| 07:35:18 | nadav | i think that's beyond its powers |
| 07:35:21 | darienm | sugar, make me a long island |
| 07:35:21 | Sugar | combines vodka, gin, light rum, tequila, juice of half a lemon and cola, pours over ice in a highball glass then adds cola for color and garnish with slice of lemon and serves it to darienm. |
| 07:35:29 | darienm | Hrmmm. I feel refreshed. |
| 07:35:32 | darienm | Sorry Hellaenergy |
| 07:35:33 | nadav | heh |
| 07:35:41 | Hellaenergy | thats ok |
| 07:35:51 | Hellaenergy | shoots the moon |
| 07:35:59 | darienm | sugar make a smooth sendmail installation for Hellaenergy |
| 07:36:10 | Cam__ | grrr I just FTPed a load of images to my CF card in the Z, now it has become unusable - it just says it's running out of memory all the time and I can't open any apps... ideas? |
| 07:36:36 | darienm | Cam__: um.. define a 'load' |
| 07:36:50 | Hellaenergy | reformat it with a sandisk r/w |
| 07:36:58 | darienm | Cam__: is that a few files that are very large, or a large number of files that are small |
| 07:37:02 | Hellaenergy | fat of course |
| 07:37:13 | Cam__ | The CF card is 64Mb and it has maybe 80 jpegs on it, which nearly fill it |
| 07:37:14 | Hellaenergy | phat |
| 07:37:38 | Hellaenergy | slobbers on himself |
| 07:37:40 | darienm | Cam__: When you say "it" has become unusable - the card or your Zaurus? |
| 07:38:22 | Cam__ | the Zaurus - it keeps raising low memory errors |
| 07:38:35 | Cam__ | it's a SL-5000D so it's not exactly memory rich |
| 07:40:28 | sj-zaurus | Cam: how big are jpegs? |
| 07:40:32 | Cam__ | darienm - the files are typically 800k and there is no more than 80 of them |
| 07:41:04 | darienm | Cam__: um, 80 * 800 = 64,000. You've filled your card. |
| 07:41:15 | Cam__ | yeah that's the idea |
| 07:41:28 | darienm | Cam__: You should avoid doing that. |
| 07:41:34 | Cam__ | but now I should still ve able to use the Z, right?? |
| 07:41:44 | darienm | Cam__: sure.. if you remove the card :) |
| 07:42:01 | Cam__ | ohh do you think the cf driver failed and corrupted the card? |
| 07:42:17 | darienm | Cam__: I dunno... I just think you should leave a little breathing room. |
| 07:42:18 | Hellaenergy | DoS attacks Cam_'s Zaurus |
| 07:42:29 | darienm | Cam__: Can you delete a file or two and see if it helps? |
| 07:42:44 | Hellaenergy | wonders how that feels |
| 07:42:59 | sj-zaurus | Cam: no, the doumcent tab is scanning all ofthe pictures |
| 07:43:14 | sj-zaurus | thats eating up ram |
| 07:43:20 | darienm | Hellaenergy, we offer you a refreshing beverage, engage you in delightful conversation, and you want to attack Cam__'s zaurus? |
| 07:43:41 | Hellaenergy | I sorry : |
| 07:43:52 | Cam__ | I have 2 go now.... I'll maybe try to remove some files from the boot prompt... |
| 07:43:55 | darienm | sj-zaurus: But its not reading the image data, right? 80 FILES is nothing for the document tab. |
| 07:43:57 | Cam__ | thanks all |
| 07:43:59 | Hellaenergy | hangs his tounge out and droops |
| 07:44:23 | Hellaenergy | peace out Cam_ |
| 07:44:31 | Hellaenergy | peace out Cam__ |
| 07:45:12 | | darienm: i'm not following you... |
| 07:45:12 | darienm | ibot, unixtime |
| 07:45:15 | | darienm: sorry... |
| 07:45:15 | darienm | ibot, unix time |
| 07:45:27 | Hellaenergy | I quess there is a reason this server is called US.openprojects.net |
| 07:45:36 | darienm | no. |
| 07:45:41 | sj-zaurus | Cam: did you try to view a picture? |
| 07:45:44 | Hellaenergy | no one is awake |
| 07:45:45 | darienm | that's just the server YOU connected to. |
| 07:46:05 | darienm | There are a dozen (or two) servers that let people connect to OPN all around the world. |
| 07:46:12 | darienm | This CHANNEL is global. |
| 07:46:13 | Hellaenergy | ya ya |
| 07:46:20 | Hellaenergy | but who is using em? |
| 07:46:46 | Hellaenergy | looks like the North American Peoples |
| 07:46:46 | darienm | This particular channel? You, me, sj-zaurus, Cam__ and a few others I'm sure are still lurking. |
| 07:47:01 | Hellaenergy | the main ones |
| 07:47:11 | Hellaenergy | linux apache perl |
| 07:47:23 | darienm | We're not more important than anyone else. |
| 07:47:24 | Hellaenergy | wonders if its just him |
| 07:47:29 | darienm | Not based on geography, at least. |
| 07:47:35 | Hellaenergy | no one said that foo |
| 07:47:46 | Hellaenergy | just an observation |
| 07:47:59 | darienm | I guess I concatenated two of your statements. |
| 07:48:15 | darienm | That's what happens when you don't capitalize sentences and use a period. |
| 07:48:31 | Hellaenergy | feel illiterate |
| 07:48:36 | Hellaenergy | ILL |
| 07:48:50 | Hellaenergy | feel(s) |
| 07:50:07 | darienm | feels too sexy for his HTML editor. |
| 07:50:26 | Hellaenergy | what one? |
| 07:50:27 | Hellaenergy | vim |
| 07:50:31 | Hellaenergy | or |
| 07:50:33 | darienm | Begone, bloatware!!!! |
| 07:50:34 | Hellaenergy | g.. |
| 07:50:36 | Hellaenergy | vim |
| 07:50:45 | darienm | Give me raw text! |
| 07:50:54 | Hellaenergy | your a madperson |
| 07:50:55 | darienm | Macromedia Dreamweaver. |
| 07:51:17 | darienm | I'll take that as a compliment. |
| 07:51:28 | darienm | Most people just use the word 'psycho'. |
| 07:52:34 | Hellaenergy | are you in the US? |
| 07:53:00 | darienm | Chicago |
| 07:53:02 | Hellaenergy | good morning ;) |
| 07:53:19 | Hellaenergy | Minnesota |
| 07:53:52 | Hellaenergy | Good night |
| 07:54:12 | sumeet_p | g'night y'all. Thanks for all your help! |
| 10:26:55 | George- | ooooh |
| 10:26:57 | George- | the topic's changed |
| 10:30:43 | frankps | hi all |
| 10:32:54 | George- | hi |
| 10:50:22 | George-|AFK | can you run Opie on the Z's standard ROM? |
| 12:01:59 | George- | nuhduhv! |
| 12:02:06 | George- | sorry, didn't notice you! :) |
| 12:02:13 | hunger | kergoth`coding: Damit. I get a nice and working libc6 ipk, then it is overwritten by an empty one:-( |
| 12:02:40 | George- | hunger: ? |
| 12:03:00 | hunger | George-: OZ build system is not doing what I want it to. |
| 12:03:08 | hunger | prods it with a big stick. |
| 12:03:24 | Nadav | hey george |
| 12:03:25 | George- | lobs a cray II at the OZ build system |
| 12:03:36 | Nadav | definetely will go crazy at some point |
| 12:03:42 | Nadav | now i'm leaning towards a mac again |
| 12:04:07 | George- | Nadav: heh |
| 12:04:11 | George- | Nadav: go get a Cray II |
| 12:04:18 | Nadav | ? |
| 12:04:32 | George- | lol |
| 12:04:37 | George- | a Cray II supercomputer |
| 12:04:48 | Nadav | of course |
| 12:05:07 | Nadav | ebays around |
| 12:05:18 | George- | hahaha |
| 12:05:41 | Nadav | has $2000 |
| 12:06:17 | George- | to spend on a Cray II? :) |
| 12:06:34 | Nadav | no |
| 12:06:37 | Nadav | on a computer |
| 12:06:54 | George- | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2040886688 |
| 12:06:56 | George- | YAY :))) |
| 12:43:03 | [George] | kergoth`coding: ping |
| 12:46:52 | VerxHome | anyone happen to know how to add a menu from within Qt Designer? |
| 12:47:18 | treke|ho1e | VerxHome: you cant |
| 12:47:22 | VerxHome | eh? |
| 12:47:27 | VerxHome | ok. . . . |
| 12:47:32 | VerxHome | tell me this then |
| 12:47:39 | VerxHome | how many pixels should I allocate for the menu? |
| 12:47:53 | VerxHome | ie, where should my widgets start in terms of X position? |
| 12:48:02 | treke|ho1e | you dont |
| 12:48:09 | VerxHome | boggles |
| 12:48:10 | treke|ho1e | the menu goes before your widget |
| 12:48:11 | VerxHome | please explain |
| 12:49:11 | VerxHome | The way I would assume it works is that the menu bar or whatever it is called in Qt would go just below the title bar |
| 12:49:22 | VerxHome | and it looks like it takes up perhaps 30 vertical pixels |
| 12:49:36 | VerxHome | so how does this work? |
| 12:49:38 | treke|ho1e | right |
| 12:49:49 | VerxHome | I make my dialog 290 - 30 pixels |
| 12:49:57 | VerxHome | and then below the title bar is a menu bar |
| 12:50:02 | VerxHome | and below THAT is my dialog? |
| 12:50:07 | VerxHome | is trying to understand |
| 12:50:07 | treke|ho1e | right |
| 12:50:11 | VerxHome | oh |
| 12:50:12 | VerxHome | heh |
| 12:50:14 | VerxHome | was guessing |
| 12:50:25 | VerxHome | so is there a container that holds the menubar and the dialog? |
| 12:50:25 | treke|ho1e | and dont set a fixed size for your dialog |
| 12:51:07 | VerxHome | begins to realize he hadn't really been writing an application up to now - only a dialog. :( |
| 12:52:17 | Cloudchaser | mornin |
| 12:52:54 | treke|ho1e | mornin |
| 12:53:05 | Cloudchaser | how are you all doing today? |
| 12:53:17 | VerxHome | treke: So my dialog should have minimum size 0,0 - max size 32767,32767? |
| 12:53:41 | VerxHome | Cloudchaser: I thought I was doing well until treke here told me what I thought was going so well was ACTUALLY all messed up |
| 12:53:50 | Cloudchaser | i saw ;( |
| 12:54:11 | treke|ho1e | VerxHome: Delete it from the .ui later on. just dont worry about the size much |
| 12:54:20 | Cloudchaser | i gave up myself..hope you get it all figured out |
| 12:54:27 | VerxHome | treke? eh?????????????? |
| 12:54:41 | VerxHome | is super confused now |
| 12:55:05 | VerxHome | up until now, I could just take my dialogs out of Qt Designer and use them in my app |
| 12:55:12 | VerxHome | now it sounds like I have to manually edit them everytime? |
| 12:55:53 | treke|ho1e | VerxHome: the .ui file has a couple of lines that specifiy the dimensions in it. You dont have to do it every time, but one you think you are done make sure you set the minimum size back to 0 ( or something sufficiently small) |
| 12:56:52 | VerxHome | treke: Oh, mine is set to minimum 0,0, max 32767,32767. That ok? I have a dialog. Inside the dialog, I have a tabwidget. For the time being, every other widget for my app is in the tabwidget. |
| 12:57:59 | treke|ho1e | That should be fine |
| 12:58:41 | VerxHome | treke: And my tabwidget itself, I have set to max/min 240,290 |
| 12:58:56 | VerxHome | should the tabwidget also have no restriction? |
| 12:59:14 | treke|ho1e | right |
| 12:59:22 | VerxHome | ok |
| 12:59:29 | VerxHome | can you explain how I will add my menu? |
| 12:59:48 | VerxHome | I asked before if there was a container that will hold both the menu and my dialog, but you didn't answer that one. :) |
| 13:00:38 | treke|ho1e | I believe you want a QMainWindow for that |
| 13:00:42 | Cloudchaser | hmm.. last night i reset my z.. could ftp in.. this morning i can't ftp in |
| 13:00:59 | VerxHome | ok, so QMainWindow should contain the menu and the dialog - you think. :) |
| 13:01:29 | VerxHome | saves his entire project off to the side in case treke is secretly trying to sabotage things. :) |
| 13:01:39 | treke|ho1e | yup. QMainWindow contains all of that, and you call setCentralWidget() on the dialog widget |
| 13:01:49 | Cloudchaser | hehe nah.. i'm sure he's not |
| 13:01:59 | VerxHome | me too cloudchaser. was a joke. :) |
| 13:01:59 | treke|ho1e | Cloudchaser: I may be completly full of shit though |
| 13:02:03 | VerxHome | still, I wanted a backup |
| 13:02:10 | VerxHome | before I make changes this big |
| 13:02:13 | treke|ho1e | waits for warmi to show up and confirm that he is |
| 13:02:15 | Cloudchaser | hehe dbout that too treke |
| 13:02:57 | VerxHome | ok, let me struggle to piece this together |
| 13:03:06 | VerxHome | is hoping this doesn't nuke everything |
| 13:03:12 | Cloudchaser | as for me..i'm just plain discouraged with my z... |
| 13:03:17 | VerxHome | why so? |
| 13:03:32 | Cloudchaser | i think the hardware is fine |
| 13:03:47 | Cloudchaser | i just can't make it do what i want |
| 13:03:48 | VerxHome | treke: Can I set a minimum size for my tab widget? Or should I be setting its minimum size to 0 also? |
| 13:03:58 | VerxHome | Cloudchaser: What are you wanting it to do? |
| 13:04:04 | Cloudchaser | like it's got a mind of its own |
| 13:04:59 | Cloudchaser | well like i just had to reboot it to ftp in.. or i had to hard reset to get tkc rekall demo to install, and then it had to use darienm script |
| 13:05:09 | Cloudchaser | and then i'm too dumb to figure that out |
| 13:05:19 | VerxHome | hrm |
| 13:05:22 | VerxHome | darienm script? |
| 13:05:26 | VerxHome | tries to understand |
| 13:05:33 | VerxHome | as for the tkc rekall demo |
| 13:05:35 | Cloudchaser | it wouldn't install to sd card |
| 13:05:41 | Cloudchaser | so he made a script for it |
| 13:05:42 | VerxHome | did you install the demo with a gui, or from the commandline? |
| 13:05:54 | Cloudchaser | with the gui |
| 13:05:58 | VerxHome | oh |
| 13:05:59 | VerxHome | yeah |
| 13:06:01 | Cloudchaser | well before with the gui |
| 13:06:06 | Cloudchaser | that didn't work |
| 13:06:11 | VerxHome | what did it say? |
| 13:06:13 | Cloudchaser | this time i did it with the script |
| 13:06:27 | Cloudchaser | just the stupid message something went wrong |
| 13:06:38 | VerxHome | well, what did it say was wrong? |
| 13:06:47 | VerxHome | I find ipkg is pretty good about explaining what is wrong |
| 13:06:49 | VerxHome | if I listen to it |
| 13:07:02 | Cloudchaser | no it didn't... the gui does? |
| 13:07:19 | VerxHome | no, I don't use the gui at ALL for installing software |
| 13:07:24 | VerxHome | nor do I expect I ever will |
| 13:07:40 | VerxHome | if I have to install something right on the unit, I will just open a shell prompt and use ipkg |
| 13:07:51 | VerxHome | but usually I do it over an ssh session |
| 13:08:08 | Cloudchaser | oh well...that's all well and good but...i'm just a regular kind of user |
| 13:08:31 | VerxHome | well, I don't think the Z is quite ready for regular kinds of users |
| 13:08:37 | Cloudchaser | i see that |
| 13:08:38 | VerxHome | just my personal opinion |
| 13:08:45 | Cloudchaser | and...it makes me sad |
| 13:08:54 | Cloudchaser | i had high hopes |
| 13:08:58 | VerxHome | yeah |
| 13:09:00 | VerxHome | I did too |
| 13:09:12 | Cloudchaser | anyway..its all been said before |
| 13:09:16 | VerxHome | I was trying to get Boeing to seriously consider the Z or else iPAQs running opie |
| 13:09:37 | VerxHome | they are still listening since I can make a standard build of software and distribute the iPAQs that way |
| 13:09:39 | Cloudchaser | so i guess i just get it back the way i had it and wait for the next cool thing |
| 13:11:02 | Cloudchaser | or.. get my old jornada 660 fixed |
| 13:11:33 | Cloudchaser | doesn't do what i need for work either |
| 13:11:54 | VerxHome | what is it you are needing your Z to do |
| 13:12:02 | VerxHome | I mean, assuming you could get your software installed |
| 13:14:07 | Cloudchaser | well first and foremost ...i needed a serial cable that lets me use the keyboard |
| 13:15:15 | VerxHome | I haven't read anything about such an option on the Z |
| 13:15:32 | VerxHome | although, if there is a serial port on the Z (and not just USB), it should be possible I would think |
| 13:15:32 | Cloudchaser | there's a serial cable |
| 13:15:43 | Cloudchaser | but it blocks the keyboard from opening |
| 13:16:32 | Cloudchaser | i need file synhcing |
| 13:16:37 | VerxHome | looks at cloudchaser |
| 13:16:50 | VerxHome | oooh, I get what you are saying now |
| 13:16:52 | Cloudchaser | hmm? |
| 13:16:57 | VerxHome | I thought you meant an external serial cable |
| 13:17:03 | VerxHome | er, external serial keyboard rather |
| 13:17:20 | VerxHome | why do you need the serial port while the keyboard is extended? |
| 13:18:48 | Cloudchaser | consoling into routers and switches :) |
| 13:19:01 | VerxHome | looks at cloudchaser |
| 13:19:08 | VerxHome | you want to console into routers and switches |
| 13:19:14 | Cloudchaser | i really could have used that the last few weeks |
| 13:19:14 | VerxHome | but you want to be a regular user |
| 13:19:16 | VerxHome | boggles |
| 13:19:37 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 13:19:58 | Cloudchaser | i'm not really a regular user |
| 13:20:18 | VerxHome | I didn't think you were |
| 13:20:43 | VerxHome | I think this is a case of wanting to have your cake and eat it too |
| 13:20:46 | Cloudchaser | no |
| 13:21:07 | Cloudchaser | the things i want to do i could do with old ce machine |
| 13:21:25 | VerxHome | so you could use a serial cable |
| 13:21:29 | VerxHome | AND an external keyboard |
| 13:21:32 | treke|ho1e | The serial cable sounds like bad hardware design |
| 13:21:33 | VerxHome | with your old ce machine? |
| 13:21:56 | Cloudchaser | yep |
| 13:22:09 | Cloudchaser | true the z has more bells and whistles |
| 13:22:13 | Cloudchaser | way more of those |
| 13:22:47 | VerxHome | Cloudchaser: Your Jornada let you use an external keyboard and a serial cable? |
| 13:23:08 | treke|ho1e | Cloudchaser: I think that model jornada was the flip top one |
| 13:23:18 | Cloudchaser | but like my jornada 660lx had nice keyboard, i could toss it into my purse and go from closest to closet |
| 13:23:21 | Cloudchaser | it was |
| 13:23:29 | [George] | VerxHome: the Z should allow that also.... |
| 13:23:31 | Cloudchaser | i bought a nice term em for it that logged |
| 13:23:31 | treke|ho1e | er that was for VerxHome home |
| 13:24:30 | VerxHome | [George]: Do you do any Qt programming? |
| 13:24:40 | [George] | VerxHome: a bit. |
| 13:24:47 | treke|ho1e | if its the model I'm thinking of, it probably had a regular old serial port on it |
| 13:24:51 | Cloudchaser | yep |
| 13:24:53 | Cloudchaser | sure did |
| 13:24:57 | VerxHome | [George]: you use Qt Designer at all? |
| 13:25:00 | Cloudchaser | had 2 cables. 20.00 each |
| 13:25:01 | [George] | VerxHome: if you're asking me for help with an app that you're submitting to the contest, I'm not helping :) |
| 13:25:05 | Cloudchaser | one for connectingto pc |
| 13:25:08 | treke|ho1e | Then again it was also significantly larger than a zaurus :) |
| 13:25:09 | [George] | VerxHome: Yes, I used to use Qt Designer |
| 13:25:34 | VerxHome | [George]: Oh, all I was going to ask was if you knew how to make an app resize for the input method |
| 13:25:46 | VerxHome | [George]: But in truth, yes, I am writing an app for the contest |
| 13:25:49 | [George] | VerxHome: I haven't a clue |
| 13:25:51 | VerxHome | and then I intend to write more apps |
| 13:25:54 | [George] | VerxHome: lol :) |
| 13:26:02 | VerxHome | s/contest/challenge |
| 13:26:09 | [George] | VerxHome: heh, I want to win, dammit :) |
| 13:26:19 | VerxHome | there isn't winning in the challenge George |
| 13:26:25 | VerxHome | there is simply entry |
| 13:26:25 | [George] | yeh there is |
| 13:26:29 | VerxHome | eh? |
| 13:26:29 | Cloudchaser | right if you submit and app you get a z |
| 13:26:32 | VerxHome | how do you figure |
| 13:26:33 | [George] | They probably have a limited supply of Zs |
| 13:26:46 | VerxHome | [George]: Yes, and they don't allow more people to enter than they have Z's |
| 13:26:46 | [George] | You don't think they can give a Z to everyone who enters, do you? :) |
| 13:26:50 | VerxHome | did you even read the rules? |
| 13:26:57 | treke|ho1e | VerxHome: well actually... |
| 13:27:00 | [George] | VerxHome: what rules? :) |
| 13:27:03 | VerxHome | [George]: THAT IS EXACTLY what they are doing |
| 13:27:12 | [George] | VerxHome: it said "Send an app by so and so date" |
| 13:27:18 | [George] | VerxHome: and that was about it =P |
| 13:27:21 | VerxHome | granted |
| 13:27:27 | VerxHome | you have to give them something for the Z |
| 13:27:27 | treke|ho1e | VerxHome: [George] The idea was everyone who submits an app gets a Z |
| 13:27:33 | VerxHome | having a mere entry doesn't get it |
| 13:27:33 | [George] | hmm |
| 13:27:34 | [George] | ok |
| 13:27:36 | VerxHome | but it isn't a contest |
| 13:27:42 | treke|ho1e | it sounds like sniper signed too many people up for it :) |
| 13:27:49 | [George] | ? |
| 13:27:54 | VerxHome | I mean, if you don't wanna help people, that is fine |
| 13:27:57 | [George] | treke|ho1e: hm? |
| 13:28:03 | SmBJ_ | damnit |
| 13:28:03 | [George] | VerxHome: nah, I'll help, that was a joke, heh |
| 13:28:14 | VerxHome | I am just saying, the way the contest was described, it shouldn't be an issue |
| 13:28:29 | | well, challenge is http://www.zaurus.com/dev/challenge/ |
| 13:28:29 | VerxHome | ibot, challenge |
| 13:28:31 | treke|ho1e | [George]: There may be too many people compared to devices, but he's trying to get more devices |
| 13:28:42 | [George] | treke|ho1e: LOL |
| 13:28:46 | [George] | slaps Sniper |
| 13:29:00 | VerxHome | george |
| 13:29:04 | [George] | how many 5000Ds were ever made? |
| 13:29:05 | VerxHome | this is right from the webpage |
| 13:29:07 | [George] | 5000? |
| 13:29:25 | treke|ho1e | probably not that many |
| 13:29:27 | VerxHome | -Choose and Develop one application for the Zaurus (from our list of apps) |
| 13:29:27 | VerxHome | -Register by August 3rd, 2002 |
| 13:29:27 | VerxHome | -Submit a beta by August 23rd, 2002 |
| 13:29:27 | VerxHome | -Receive your very own Zaurus 5000D |
| 13:29:27 | VerxHome | -Submit final application, by September 13th, 2002 |
| 13:29:33 | VerxHome | that makes it pretty clear |
| 13:29:42 | [George] | hmm ,ok ok |
| 13:29:42 | [George] | lolo |
| 13:29:44 | [George] | lol |
| 13:29:45 | [George] | uhm |
| 13:29:50 | [George] | What if you submit a beta |
| 13:29:52 | VerxHome | I mean, look at the webpage yourself |
| 13:29:56 | [George] | then don't submit a final? :) |
| 13:30:05 | treke|ho1e | [George]: nothing |
| 13:30:06 | VerxHome | [George]: I think that will make you a bad person |
| 13:30:09 | treke|ho1e | [George]: You |
| 13:30:14 | VerxHome | I think Sharp is giving you the Z on faith |
| 13:30:17 | treke|ho1e | you'd be an ass, but nothing would happen |
| 13:30:24 | [George] | treke|ho1e: ahh, hehe |
| 13:30:37 | [George] | cranks up VNC, makes a screenshot of Starcraft "running" on the Zaurus |
| 13:30:41 | [George] | lol :) |
| 13:30:44 | Nadav | haha |
| 13:31:13 | [George] | I wonder how many people will do that? :) |
| 13:31:20 | VerxHome | treke: Have you created any Qt apps with menus? :) |
| 13:31:27 | treke|ho1e | [George]: How stupid do you think they are? :) |
| 13:31:30 | treke|ho1e | VerxHome: yeah |
| 13:31:31 | VerxHome | [George]: You submit a BETA - not a screenshot |
| 13:31:32 | [George] | VerxHome: if you want help with menus, I'll help :) |
| 13:31:45 | [George] | treke|ho1e: I dunno, but judging by Sniper signing too many people up :)))) |
| 13:31:59 | [George] | -For the beta entry, a .tgz/rpm for x86 file format or .ipkg packages and screenshots of the virtual frame buffer will be accepted. Once we send you the Zaurus, you must commit to completing the final product. For the final release, only .ipkg packages will be accepted. |
| 13:31:59 | [George] | |
| 13:32:09 | [George] | "And screenshots of the virtual frame buffer" |
| 13:32:18 | VerxHome | yes |
| 13:32:19 | VerxHome | AND |
| 13:32:25 | VerxHome | you think they won't install the ipk? |
| 13:32:33 | [George] | blah |
| 13:32:37 | [George] | you don't NEED to have the ipk |
| 13:32:41 | VerxHome | right |
| 13:32:47 | [George] | lol |
| 13:32:57 | [George] | I heard tell of people vnc'ing Quake 3 Arena? :) |
| 13:33:00 | VerxHome | you can have a .tgz/rpm for x86 -*OR*- ipk packages -*AND*- screenshots |
| 13:33:06 | prpplague | morning all |
| 13:33:15 | VerxHome | wonders if george understands boolean logic |
| 13:33:16 | VerxHome | :) |
| 13:33:19 | treke|ho1e | (tgz/rpm) || (ipkg && screenshot) |
| 13:33:26 | VerxHome | treke: Exactly |
| 13:33:27 | [George] | VerxHome: well send them an ipk, then corrupt it ;) |
| 13:33:31 | VerxHome | I almost wrote that thing |
| 13:33:34 | [George] | VerxHome: and send 'em screenies |
| 13:33:37 | [George] | VerxHome: lol |
| 13:33:40 | VerxHome | [George]: And then they can't install it for crisakes |
| 13:33:44 | VerxHome | jesus man |
| 13:33:51 | Nadav | shoots george |
| 13:33:52 | [George] | VerxHome: precisely, then they have to use the screenies =P |
| 13:34:00 | treke|ho1e | [George]: And then expect them to say send an uncorrupt ipk |
| 13:34:12 | [George] | damn :) |
| 13:34:14 | Cloudchaser | or just disqualify the entry |
| 13:34:15 | VerxHome | [George]: Right, and they say "Sorry, we cannot award you a damned thing because you need to submit screenies AND a working ipk" |
| 13:34:18 | Cloudchaser | and you don't get z |
| 13:34:25 | [George] | VerxHome: lol |
| 13:34:59 | VerxHome | I mean they are being generous enough as it is - I couldn't believe they are giving the Z's before the final release is done |
| 13:35:10 | [George] | lol |
| 13:35:19 | [George] | Are you allowed to send the IPK only? |
| 13:35:23 | [George] | ie - without the screenies? :) |
| 13:35:24 | treke|ho1e | no |
| 13:35:26 | VerxHome | george |
| 13:35:28 | VerxHome | READ IT MAN |
| 13:35:29 | VerxHome | god |
| 13:35:33 | [George] | lol |
| 13:35:34 | treke|ho1e | ipkg AND screenshots |
| 13:35:34 | [George] | ok |
| 13:35:39 | Nadav | LOL |
| 13:35:41 | treke|ho1e | english isnt that hard to read |
| 13:35:48 | Nadav | [George]: and you called ME a fool? |
| 13:35:50 | VerxHome | wonders what kind of boolean logic george will have in his program |
| 13:35:52 | [George] | is tired |
| 13:35:57 | [George] | Nadav: I know ;) |
| 13:36:05 | [George] | VerxHome: very strange type :) |
| 13:36:32 | VerxHome | if user_clicks_quit_without_save | user_clicks_quit_with_save { exit without saving } |
| 13:36:35 | VerxHome | shudders |
| 13:36:46 | [George] | ? |
| 13:36:55 | VerxHome | shudders even harder now |
| 13:37:09 | Nadav | lol |
| 13:37:10 | VerxHome | treke: You beta test Georges app. :) |
| 13:37:13 | VerxHome | or Nadav |
| 13:37:13 | VerxHome | :) |
| 13:37:17 | [George] | connect(this, SIGNAL(quitwithsaveclicked()), qApp, SLOT(quit())); |
| 13:37:25 | treke|ho1e | VerxHome: http://doc.trolltech.com/2.3/menu-menu-cpp.html |
| 13:37:51 | VerxHome | [George]: Did you read what that bit of code would do? |
| 13:38:14 | [George] | VerxHome: yep! |
| 13:38:20 | [George] | VerxHome: that's why I wrote it, lol |
| 13:38:47 | Cloudchaser | hiya mark |
| 13:38:58 | mark | hi Cloudchaser |
| 13:39:04 | VerxHome | decides George just needs an nvidia card to help him with boolean logic |
| 13:39:05 | VerxHome | :) |
| 13:39:08 | VerxHome | ducks |
| 13:39:08 | [George] | hey mark |
| 13:39:16 | [George] | VerxHome: IHOWRGUYHUIORHEWUGIHERIUG |
| 13:39:17 | VerxHome | thanks treke, reading now |
| 13:39:20 | [George] | flames VerxHome |
| 13:39:23 | mark | hi [George] |
| 13:39:26 | VerxHome | george; eheh |
| 13:39:34 | mark | VerxHome: [George] having problems with boolean logic? |
| 13:39:45 | VerxHome | mark, you would have been laughing so hard man |
| 13:39:49 | VerxHome | I think he must just be tired |
| 13:39:59 | mark | VerxHome: hmm, where are th e logs again? :) |
| 13:40:03 | Nadav | mark: boolean login AND thinking clearly |
| 13:40:03 | VerxHome | sec |
| 13:40:24 | Nadav | uh, logic |
| 13:40:34 | [George] | mark: yeh... connect(this, SIGNAL(quitwithsaveclicked()), qApp, SLOT(quit())); <-- read that code :))) |
| 13:40:42 | VerxHome | p<[George]> They probably have a limited supply of Zs |
| 13:40:49 | [George] | lol |
| 13:40:53 | VerxHome | <VerxHome> [George]: Yes, and they don't allow more people to enter than they |
| 13:40:53 | VerxHome | have Z's |
| 13:40:53 | VerxHome | <[George]> You don't think they can give a Z to everyone who enters, do you? |
| 13:40:53 | VerxHome | :) |
| 13:40:53 | VerxHome | <VerxHome> did you even read the rules? |
| 13:40:55 | [George] | ducks |
| 13:41:09 | VerxHome | <VerxHome> [George]: THAT IS EXACTLY what they are doing |
| 13:41:09 | VerxHome | <[George]> VerxHome: it said "Send an app by so and so date" |
| 13:41:09 | VerxHome | <[George]> VerxHome: and that was about it =P |
| 13:41:09 | VerxHome | <VerxHome> granted |
| 13:41:09 | VerxHome | <VerxHome> you have to give them something for the Z |
| 13:41:13 | VerxHome | <VerxHome> having a mere entry doesn't get it |
| 13:41:15 | Cloudchaser | hard resets z yet again |
| 13:41:26 | VerxHome | <[George]> hmm |
| 13:41:26 | VerxHome | <[George]> ok |
| 13:41:26 | VerxHome | <VerxHome> but it isn't a contest |
| 13:41:26 | [George] | hmm |
| 13:41:37 | [George] | learns Java |
| 13:41:42 | [George] | enters insignia contest |
| 13:41:45 | VerxHome | and the best bit: |
| 13:41:46 | Cloudchaser | george you ever get help in here? |
| 13:41:52 | VerxHome | <VerxHome> this is right from the webpage |
| 13:41:53 | mark | [George]: whats wrong with that code? |
| 13:41:58 | VerxHome | <VerxHome> -Choose and Develop one application for the Zaurus (from our list |
| 13:41:58 | VerxHome | of apps) |
| 13:41:59 | VerxHome | <VerxHome> -Register by August 3rd, 2002 |
| 13:41:59 | VerxHome | <VerxHome> -Submit a beta by August 23rd, 2002 |
| 13:41:59 | VerxHome | <VerxHome> -Receive your very own Zaurus 5000D |
| 13:41:59 | VerxHome | <VerxHome> -Submit final application, by September 13th, 2002 |
| 13:42:01 | VerxHome | <VerxHome> that makes it pretty clear |
| 13:42:03 | VerxHome | <[George]> What if you submit a beta |
| 13:42:06 | VerxHome | <[George]> then don't submit a final? :) |
| 13:42:07 | [George] | mark: read it a bit harder, lol |
| 13:42:21 | VerxHome | <VerxHome> [George]: I think that will make you a bad person |
| 13:42:29 | VerxHome | * [George]/#Zaurus cranks up VNC, makes a screenshot of Starcraft "running" on |
| 13:42:29 | VerxHome | the Zaurus |
| 13:42:29 | [George] | Cloudchaser: hmm? |
| 13:42:37 | VerxHome | <[George]> I wonder how many people will do that? :) |
| 13:42:47 | VerxHome | <[George]> -For the beta entry, a .tgz/rpm for x86 file format or .ipkg |
| 13:42:47 | VerxHome | packages and screenshots of the virtual frame buffer will be |
| 13:42:47 | VerxHome | accepted. Once we send you the Zaurus, you must commit to |
| 13:42:47 | VerxHome | completing the final product. For the final release, only .ipkg |
| 13:42:47 | VerxHome | packages will be accepted. |
| 13:42:47 | Cloudchaser | do people in here help you when you have questions? |
| 13:42:55 | VerxHome | <[George]> "And screenshots of the virtual frame buffer" |
| 13:42:55 | VerxHome | <VerxHome> yes |
| 13:42:55 | VerxHome | <VerxHome> AND |
| 13:42:55 | VerxHome | <VerxHome> you think they won't install the ipk? |
| 13:43:00 | [George] | Cloudchaser: I dunno :) |
| 13:43:05 | [George] | Cloudchaser: yeh, prolly |
| 13:43:10 | VerxHome | <VerxHome> you can have a .tgz/rpm for x86 -*OR*- ipk packages -*AND*- |
| 13:43:10 | VerxHome | screenshots |
| 13:43:13 | VerxHome | <treke|ho1e> (tgz/rpm) || (ipkg && screenshot) |
| 13:43:17 | mark | Cloudchaser: we try |
| 13:43:22 | VerxHome | <[George]> VerxHome: well send them an ipk, then corrupt it ;) |
| 13:43:28 | VerxHome | <[George]> VerxHome: and send 'em screenies |
| 13:43:45 | [George] | roflmao |
| 13:43:47 | Cloudchaser | right, George, i'm sure you get help in here, so when someone else "might" need help |
| 13:43:51 | VerxHome | <[George]> Are you allowed to send the IPK only? |
| 13:43:51 | VerxHome | <[George]> ie - without the screenies? :) |
| 13:43:56 | Cloudchaser | perhaps you might reconsider your answer |
| 13:43:57 | VerxHome | <VerxHome> george |
| 13:43:57 | VerxHome | <VerxHome> READ IT MAN |
| 13:43:59 | VerxHome | <treke|ho1e> ipkg AND screenshots |
| 13:44:23 | [George] | Cloudchaser: lol, I'm crap at coding ;) |
| 13:44:41 | VerxHome | mark: Get it now? |
| 13:44:41 | [George] | Cloudchaser: People should ask for my help if they want an app that doesn't work =P |
| 13:45:11 | Cloudchaser | perhaps that's the better answer then :) |
| 13:45:19 | Cloudchaser | rather than if....then no |
| 13:45:21 | VerxHome | Cloudchaser: :) |
| 13:45:24 | mark | VerxHome: heheh, yep :) |
| 13:45:32 | [George] | Cloudchaser: lol, I explained it was a joke, ages ago |
| 13:45:58 | Cloudchaser | ah i apologize then |
| 13:46:13 | VerxHome | he did Cloudchaser |
| 13:46:18 | VerxHome | :) |
| 13:46:27 | VerxHome | do a lastlog on joke |
| 13:46:27 | [George] | Cloudchaser: <[George]> VerxHome: nah, I'll help, that was a joke, heh |
| 13:46:29 | VerxHome | you will see it |
| 13:46:31 | Cloudchaser | hehe ok.. i did miss that part |
| 13:46:39 | Cloudchaser | sorry george. |
| 13:46:42 | [George] | s'ok |
| 13:46:47 | VerxHome | it was in the middle of the boolean logic discussion |
| 13:46:48 | VerxHome | :) |
| 13:46:50 | [George] | LOL |
| 13:47:02 | Cloudchaser | i get my back up if i think people are being...not so nice to he helpful people here ;) |
| 13:47:07 | VerxHome | [George]: Seriously, if you could help me with menus I would appreciate it |
| 13:47:14 | [George] | VerxHome: cool |
| 13:47:22 | VerxHome | let me explain where I am |
| 13:47:26 | treke|ho1e | ok. now someone go find the fix to my vnc bug |
| 13:47:26 | [George] | VerxHome: #1, inherit from QMainWindow =P |
| 13:47:28 | VerxHome | and where treke told me to go (heheheh) |
| 13:47:43 | VerxHome | I have a QDialog with a tabwidget in it. All my widgets are in the tabwidget |
| 13:47:50 | treke|ho1e | VerxHome: well you cant repeat that in the presence of a lday :) |
| 13:47:59 | VerxHome | up till now, I haven't used anything but QDialog, and I haven't had menus |
| 13:48:02 | [George] | VerxHome: hey, this is the same design as my app! =P |
| 13:48:07 | VerxHome | so I am trying to learn how to get there from here |
| 13:48:10 | [George] | ok |
| 13:48:16 | [George] | Inherit from QMainWindow |
| 13:48:16 | [George] | =P |
| 13:48:19 | [George] | lol |
| 13:48:20 | VerxHome | got it |
| 13:48:33 | [George] | so Class whatever : Public QMainWindow |
| 13:48:34 | [George] | then |
| 13:48:38 | [George] | to get the menubars |
| 13:48:39 | [George] | just do: |
| 13:48:58 | [George] | filePopup = new QPopupMenu(this); <--- The "File" menu |
| 13:49:43 | VerxHome | so there isn't a menuBAR? |
| 13:49:55 | VerxHome | just individual popupmenus? |
| 13:49:56 | JasonNJ-home | morning. |
| 13:50:01 | VerxHome | moin Jason |
| 13:50:06 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin |
| 13:50:09 | [George] | filePopup->insertItem("whatever", id number); |
| 13:50:15 | [George] | then to add the File menu to the menubar |
| 13:50:15 | [George] | do |
| 13:50:32 | [George] | menuBar()->insertItem("File", filePopup); |
| 13:50:44 | treke|ho1e | erikd: There is one, but its part of QMainWindow |
| 13:50:54 | VerxHome | ok George, question |
| 13:50:55 | treke|ho1e | VerxHome: There is one, but its part of QMainWindow |
| 13:50:58 | [George] | then to link the the item in the menu to a SLOT, do: |
| 13:51:14 | VerxHome | [George]: So QMainWindow provides the menubar, and you "insertItem's" into it? |
| 13:51:21 | [George] | filePopup->connectItem(id number, this, SLOT(whatever())); |
| 13:51:24 | [George] | yes |
| 13:51:27 | [George] | VerxHome: yes |
| 13:51:46 | VerxHome | ok |
| 13:52:04 | Cloudchaser | whats the good word JasonNJ-home: |
| 13:52:06 | VerxHome | and to get my dialog into QMainWindow, I do what? |
| 13:52:08 | [George] | Any good books on Java? |
| 13:52:24 | [George] | VerxHome: your QTabWidget etc? |
| 13:52:30 | VerxHome | well |
| 13:52:34 | VerxHome | yeah |
| 13:52:43 | [George] | VerxHome: the same as you did with QDialog |
| 13:52:44 | VerxHome | I have (in Qt Designer) a dialog with my QTabWidget |
| 13:52:55 | [George] | VerxHome: You may want to consider QMainWindow::setCentralWidget, though |
| 13:52:56 | treke|ho1e | VerxHome: setCentralWidget(MyWidget) |
| 13:53:14 | [George] | treke|ho1e: haha, beat you :) |
| 13:53:19 | [George] | ducks |
| 13:53:23 | treke|ho1e | yeah but mine was clearer :) |
| 13:53:27 | [George] | damn :) |
| 13:53:46 | VerxHome | [George]: So can I do any of this in Qt Designer? |
| 13:53:49 | treke|ho1e | VerxHome: Change your dialog to a QWidget instead of a QDialog ( have to edit your .ui in a text editor) |
| 13:54:04 | [George] | VerxHome: yes |
| 13:54:13 | [George] | VerxHome: then you just #include the designer header file |
| 13:54:18 | [George] | VerxHome: then you create the widget |
| 13:54:29 | [George] | VerxHome: then you setCentralWidget(designer_widget) |
| 13:54:31 | VerxHome | [George]: I couldn't figure out how to make a QMainWindow, or a MenuBar in designer |
| 13:54:32 | Nadav | ok, i'll be back |
| 13:54:38 | [George] | VerxHome: you can't =P |
| 13:54:39 | Cloudchaser | hmm tkc kompany ipk doens't make a kompany tb |
| 13:55:01 | VerxHome | Cloudchaser: It isn't an app - it is a library |
| 13:55:14 | VerxHome | [George]: Ok. . . |
| 13:55:21 | Cloudchaser | it doesn't make the kompany tab? |
| 13:55:28 | [George] | VerxHome: don't expect it to work though =P |
| 13:55:31 | VerxHome | treke: If I make that change to the .ui file, can I then load it into designer and keep working with it? |
| 13:55:40 | VerxHome | Cloudchaser: No, the tkc apps make that |
| 13:55:57 | treke|ho1e | VerxHome: yeah, I just havent found a way to make the change in designer |
| 13:56:03 | VerxHome | Cloudchaser: Install any tkc app, and you will get the tab. tkc_thekompany isn't an app. |
| 13:56:04 | [George] | why oh WHY do people refer to SD cards as SD RAM?!?!!? |
| 13:56:12 | [George] | that really gets on my nerves |
| 13:56:14 | VerxHome | [George]: Idiocy? |
| 13:56:18 | Cloudchaser | hmm tkc rekall went onto applications tab, not kompany |
| 13:56:21 | [George] | http://zaurus.loveslinux.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=53&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0 |
| 13:56:26 | Cloudchaser | could be the script i guess |
| 13:56:27 | treke|ho1e | Cloudchaser: Be happy |
| 13:56:45 | VerxHome | Cloudchaser: tkcRekall isn't a "normal" tkc app to be honest |
| 13:56:46 | Cloudchaser | well i just reset the z thinking something was wrong |
| 13:57:18 | treke|ho1e | oops :) |
| 13:57:22 | Cloudchaser | has anyone used rekall? |
| 13:57:26 | VerxHome | treke: Ok, if I can make the change to the .ui file and still edit it in designer, I am fine with that |
| 13:57:26 | [George] | Cloudchaser: download tab manager =P |
| 13:57:39 | Cloudchaser | i had it.. had a problem with it |
| 13:57:40 | treke|ho1e | VerxHome: which you can |
| 13:57:45 | treke|ho1e | tried it |
| 13:57:50 | treke|ho1e | but I couldnt figure it out ;) |
| 13:57:50 | Cloudchaser | emailed benmeyer |
| 13:57:55 | VerxHome | what I didn't want was to have to re-edit it every time I made a change in designer |
| 13:58:01 | [George] | Cloudchaser: it's up on handango |
| 13:58:04 | Cloudchaser | he told me basically to look at the source |
| 13:58:11 | Cloudchaser | i know where it is |
| 13:58:12 | VerxHome | cloudchaser/treke: Grab the desktop docs for it, they are quite good |
| 13:58:23 | Cloudchaser | i asked him about docs |
| 13:58:26 | treke|ho1e | VerxHome: Nah, it's equivalent to starting with a QWidget instead of a QDialog |
| 13:58:27 | VerxHome | I beta tested tkcRekall |
| 13:58:28 | Cloudchaser | he said look at the source |
| 13:58:36 | [George] | all this has made me remember |
| 13:58:40 | VerxHome | Cloudchaser: Who? |
| 13:58:42 | [George] | that I need to implement my HTML editor |
| 13:58:43 | [George] | lol |
| 13:58:43 | Cloudchaser | benmeyer |
| 13:58:59 | VerxHome | Cloudchaser: What exactly did you ask him? |
| 13:59:23 | Cloudchaser | I was trying to set up an icon on the desktop to run a shell script using |
| 13:59:24 | Cloudchaser | > Tab Manager. It didn't work. I put the path to the shell script in Exec box |
| 13:59:24 | Cloudchaser | > but when I tried to run it, I got an error: "No application is found for |
| 13:59:24 | Cloudchaser | > this document". Kergoth and ljp in #zaurus tried to help me out with this |
| 13:59:24 | Cloudchaser | > but to no avail. Any ideas for me to try? |
| 13:59:24 | Cloudchaser | > |
| 13:59:26 | Cloudchaser | > I tried to find some documentation for Tab Manager to see if perhaps I was |
| 13:59:28 | Cloudchaser | > doing something wrong, but I couldn't locate any. If there is some, could |
| 13:59:30 | Cloudchaser | > you point me to it? |
| 13:59:47 | Cloudchaser | he answered this: |
| 13:59:56 | Cloudchaser | Hmm there really isn't any documentation, there is the source if you want it |
| 14:00:08 | Cloudchaser | so i just uninstalled it |
| 14:00:16 | VerxHome | well |
| 14:00:17 | VerxHome | so far as I know |
| 14:00:26 | VerxHome | what you were trying to do has NOTHING to do with tab manager |
| 14:00:39 | VerxHome | tab manager's job (as far as I know) is to organize which app is on which tab |
| 14:00:58 | VerxHome | I create icons for things like shellscripts with vi |
| 14:01:04 | VerxHome | you just create a .desktop file |
| 14:01:31 | Cloudchaser | oh |
| 14:01:39 | Cloudchaser | feels really stupid now |
| 14:01:53 | VerxHome | don't feel stupid |
| 14:02:00 | VerxHome | hardly any of these apps have documentation |
| 14:02:05 | VerxHome | so it ain't easy out there |
| 14:02:06 | VerxHome | :) |
| 14:02:25 | [George] | VerxHome: hmm, but some of these apps are so piss easy to use... |
| 14:02:27 | Cloudchaser | true.. |
| 14:02:36 | Cloudchaser | but some aren't george |
| 14:02:48 | VerxHome | [George]: You said you don't know how to make an app resize itself to make room for an input method to pop up? |
| 14:03:00 | Cloudchaser | and not all of us can read source to figure them out |
| 14:03:20 | treke|ho1e | VerxHome: you might want to take a look ad the addressbook source |
| 14:03:34 | ljp | should document a howto make skins for opieplayer |
| 14:03:43 | Cloudchaser | heya ljp |
| 14:03:49 | ljp | hi |
| 14:04:04 | [George] | VerxHome: No I don't |
| 14:04:08 | VerxHome | k |
| 14:04:13 | VerxHome | does your app resize itself? |
| 14:04:28 | [George] | nope |
| 14:04:29 | [George] | ;) |
| 14:04:31 | VerxHome | or, like mine, does it sit there idle while the input method covers things? |
| 14:04:33 | VerxHome | oh, ok |
| 14:04:40 | VerxHome | heh, well, if I find a solution I will let you know |
| 14:04:40 | ljp | my howto would be-> look at pics/mediaplayer/skins/default |
| 14:04:51 | treke|ho1e | VerxHome: I'm gonna venture a guess and say put the whole thing into a QScrollView |
| 14:05:01 | [George] | VerxHome: Have you looked at the Qtopia API docs? |
| 14:05:19 | VerxHome | [George]: I have, they are decidedly not Qt/E specific |
| 14:05:19 | mark | they're shi*e |
| 14:05:19 | VerxHome | :) |
| 14:05:38 | treke|ho1e | uhm, yes they are :) |
| 14:05:39 | [George] | VerxHome: no no no |
| 14:05:45 | [George] | VerxHome: the QTOPIA api docs |
| 14:05:52 | ljp | why do you need an API when you have the source? |
| 14:06:04 | VerxHome | oh |
| 14:06:09 | VerxHome | I misread |
| 14:06:14 | [George] | VerxHome: It looks like a function in QPEApplication |
| 14:06:16 | VerxHome | I was thinking Qt, not Qtopia |
| 14:06:20 | treke|ho1e | ljp: because we arent l33t h4x0rs like you |
| 14:06:44 | ljp | heh.. just look at the headers.. there's functions there not in the 'API' |
| 14:07:16 | VerxHome | yeah ljp, those are typically functions they reserve the right to change without notice |
| 14:07:28 | VerxHome | the API is supposed to be your entry point for functions |
| 14:07:34 | VerxHome | so far as I know anyway |
| 14:07:51 | [George] | VerxHome: have you looked at other apps? |
| 14:08:14 | ljp | verx: about 3/4 of functions available are not in qtopia's docs |
| 14:08:37 | VerxHome | [George]: Well, I have, but I haven't found one simple enough to really help me |
| 14:08:47 | mark | what is VerxHome trying to do? |
| 14:09:00 | VerxHome | [George]: I am new enough to C++ and Qt that if there is much "noise" beyond what I am trying to figure out, it is very hard for me |
| 14:09:03 | [George] | mark: resize the window to accomodate for the input method |
| 14:09:10 | VerxHome | mark: I want my app to resize itself when an input method obscures it |
| 14:09:11 | [George] | VerxHome: hang on, i'll take a look for you |
| 14:09:22 | VerxHome | mark: And I have no idea what causes, or enables it |
| 14:09:31 | mark | i've never figured out why some windows do it and some dont |
| 14:09:39 | mark | QMainWindow v QDialog? |
| 14:09:50 | VerxHome | well, I am using QDialog |
| 14:09:55 | VerxHome | and George is using QMainWindow |
| 14:09:59 | VerxHome | it doesn't work for either of us |
| 14:10:05 | VerxHome | so it is something more than just that |
| 14:10:07 | [George] | mark: hang on |
| 14:10:15 | [George] | mark: I'll just check if my QMainWindow thingy works :) |
| 14:10:33 | VerxHome | treke: I like your idea, but I guess I just would like to know a bit more about it before I go trying weird stuff like a QVScrollWindow |
| 14:10:38 | VerxHome | or whatever that is called |
| 14:14:19 | mark | [George]: Well? |
| 14:14:33 | JasonNJ-home | dammit I hate internal server errors |
| 14:14:49 | [George] | mark: I can't check... |
| 14:15:01 | [George] | mark: I'll have to create a damn ipk for arm and transfer it to my Zaurus |
| 14:15:08 | [George] | mark: And I can't be bothered at the moment :) |
| 14:15:51 | VerxHome | george is your app complex enough you can't just send the bin over? |
| 14:15:52 | [George] | hmm, now *where* did I put that convert ipk? |
| 14:16:05 | [George] | VerxHome: hmm, good point |
| 14:17:19 | JasonNJ-home | I friggin hate cgi scripts in perl |
| 14:17:35 | JasonNJ-home | anyone know of a good guestbook script in php? |
| 14:17:50 | [George] | VerxHome: just building, hang on :) |
| 14:18:52 | Mickey0 | anyone in the mood to test my wirelessapplet? |
| 14:20:25 | ljp | I'll test it.. but I dont have wireless ;) |
| 14:20:44 | VerxHome | ljp: Perhaps you know |
| 14:20:45 | mark | [George]: why can't you do it on x86? |
| 14:21:20 | [George] | nope |
| 14:21:22 | Mickey0 | ljp :)) it should work for you, too :) it just won't display that much... only a static image if everything works... |
| 14:21:23 | [George] | it doesn't resize itself |
| 14:21:32 | [George] | mark: because I don't have a very good SDK :) |
| 14:21:39 | [George] | mark: I don't have input methods installed |
| 14:21:42 | Mickey0 | please check it out @ http://opie.net.wox.org/adds.html (first version... subject to contain lots of bugs... :)) |
| 14:21:59 | VerxHome | ljp: How do you make an application for opie allow your app to move out of the way when an input method obscures it? |
| 14:23:29 | [George] | VerxHome: tell the user that input methods suck and provide them with a free keyboard? :P |
| 14:23:48 | ljp | use a layout, but if there's not enough room for the widgets to move, then it doesn't really work |
| 14:23:59 | VerxHome | ljp: Ahhh |
| 14:24:06 | VerxHome | ljp: That explains a great many things |
| 14:24:08 | [George] | ljp: A layout?!? |
| 14:24:09 | [George] | ljp: I'm using setCentralWidget() |
| 14:24:19 | VerxHome | ljp: so densely packed widgets are problematic |
| 14:24:48 | treke|ho1e | VerxHome: so if you switched to say the list view, you might be fine :) |
| 14:24:52 | VerxHome | ljp: I guess I will end up having to put my entire tabwidget into a vertically scrollable region |
| 14:24:57 | ljp | I usually use a gridlayout and addMultiCellWidget |
| 14:25:02 | VerxHome | treke: But the list view wouldn't work |
| 14:25:15 | treke|ho1e | VerxHome: It wouldnt work? |
| 14:25:30 | ljp | just make a scrollview as the parent of the tabwidget |
| 14:25:32 | VerxHome | treke: My app needs editable fields |
| 14:25:50 | VerxHome | ljp: Will I have to make a scrollbar visible to do that? |
| 14:26:05 | treke|ho1e | VerxHome: ah. I thought you were still opening lots of dialogs |
| 14:26:19 | VerxHome | treke: can you dcc? |
| 14:26:23 | VerxHome | I can send you a snapshot |
| 14:26:50 | treke|ho1e | VerxHome: you can try :) |
| 14:27:26 | ljp | verx: isnt that what you wanted.. a scrollview? |
| 14:27:27 | VerxHome | treke: It doesn't have the worlds most awesome name at this point |
| 14:27:44 | VerxHome | ljp: What I wanted was for my app to move out of the way when the input method is popped up |
| 14:28:02 | VerxHome | ljp: but I would prefer to not take up horizontal screen space by putting in a vertical scrollbar |
| 14:28:50 | ljp | well, there has to be extra space for the widgets to move too .. |
| 14:29:14 | ljp | I think |
| 14:29:41 | VerxHome | ljp: What I was getting at was whether or not a scrollview would allow my tabwidget to scroll UP to allow room for the input method WITHOUT needing a scroll-*BAR*- :) |
| 14:29:53 | treke|ho1e | VerxHome: it appears I cant receive through dcc |
| 14:30:06 | VerxHome | treke: Email? |
| 14:30:16 | treke|ho1e | greg@treke.net |
| 14:30:57 | [George] | signs that address up for "Spam Daily" |
| 14:30:59 | [George] | :) |
| 14:31:00 | ljp | verx; certain widgets like combo boxes cant really change height.. |
| 14:31:32 | VerxHome | treke: Sent |
| 14:31:53 | VerxHome | ljp: right, and I have almost NOTHING but those "certain widgets" |
| 14:31:57 | VerxHome | that is my problem |
| 14:32:06 | [George] | hmm |
| 14:32:31 | [George] | is there a workaround to the problem where if I install an app onto SD/CF, all that apps data stuff appears in the documents tab?!?!? |
| 14:32:44 | treke|ho1e | VerxHome: what type of file is it? |
| 14:33:03 | VerxHome | treke: ARM executable |
| 14:33:07 | treke|ho1e | ah |
| 14:33:13 | treke|ho1e | goes to dig up a wireless card |
| 14:33:39 | [George] | hmm |
| 14:33:46 | VerxHome | well shit, XP decided I wasn't allowed to have usbnet anymore |
| 14:33:49 | [George] | is the hancomsheet ipk corrupted? |
| 14:33:56 | VerxHome | bbiaf |
| 14:34:38 | VerxIdle | treke: I think I may have gotten my firewall to allow scap |
| 14:34:50 | VerxIdle | where do scapshots end up? |
| 14:34:55 | VerxIdle | url wise |
| 14:34:57 | | rumour has it scap is http://handhelds.org/scap/ or a CGI application now |
| 14:34:57 | VerxIdle | ibot, scap |
| 14:34:58 | treke|ho1e | handhelds.org/scap |
| 14:35:06 | VerxIdle | ok, thanks |
| 14:35:15 | VerxIdle | once my XP box comes back up, I should be able to try that |
| 14:35:34 | VerxIdle | oh, here is a simple question |
| 14:35:35 | [George] | kicks Qinstall |
| 14:35:45 | [George] | shoots it |
| 14:36:04 | VerxIdle | how do I disable the "OK" button in the titlebar of my app? Once I get it to be a QMainWindow instead of a QDialog, will it just go away? |
| 14:36:49 | mark | VerxIdle: yes |
| 14:36:58 | VerxIdle | ok, that is certainly good news |
| 14:37:14 | mark | gpe is looking cool |
| 14:37:29 | [George] | mark: Gnome Palmtop Environment, isn't it? |
| 14:37:34 | [George] | mark: Embedded gnome iirc? |
| 14:37:47 | treke|ho1e | more like qpe done in gtk |
| 14:38:00 | [George] | ahh ok |
| 14:38:06 | mark | [George]: GNU palmtop environemnt |
| 14:38:11 | treke|ho1e | its as much gnome as qpe is kde |
| 14:38:35 | [George] | mark: i can't stand GTK |
| 14:38:56 | [George] | mark: OMG! They stole the KDE titlebar keramiK! |
| 14:38:57 | [George] | ARGH! :) |
| 14:39:26 | [George] | mark: Does that run on X? |
| 14:39:30 | VerxIdle | treke: URL? |
| 14:39:30 | treke|ho1e | they stole the gtk title bar? |
| 14:39:39 | treke|ho1e | gtk doesnt have a titlebar |
| 14:40:00 | mark | [George]: yeh |
| 14:40:03 | [George] | treke|ho1e: hmm, n/m |
| 14:40:51 | mark | wants to run X so he can play scummvm properly |
| 14:41:16 | treke|ho1e | hehe same here in some ways :) |
| 14:41:19 | [George] | lol |
| 14:41:21 | treke|ho1e | VerxHome: what url? |
| 14:41:22 | [George] | I want Sarien |
| 14:41:26 | [George] | so I can play Police Quest |
| 14:41:31 | [George] | If I can find that damn CD.... |
| 14:41:48 | VerxIdle | treke: For qpe done in gtk |
| 14:41:51 | treke|ho1e | plice quest on cd? ha |
| 14:41:59 | VerxHome | treke:did you get to try the app? |
| 14:42:01 | treke|ho1e | VerxHome: gpe.handhelds.org |
| 14:42:02 | treke|ho1e | VerxHome: nope |
| 14:42:10 | VerxHome | ok, sec and I will scap it for ya |
| 14:42:31 | [George] | treke|ho1e: I got the collectors edition, 1 CD of nos. 1-4 (including remakes) and 4 CDs of SWAT |
| 14:42:48 | prpplague | mark: x support on OZ is on the way |
| 14:42:53 | treke|ho1e | eew. that steaming pile of shit |
| 14:42:58 | mark | prpplague: cool |
| 14:43:01 | prpplague | mark: we made a ton of progress last night |
| 14:43:18 | [George] | prpplague: Don't forget Qtopia-X |
| 14:43:26 | [George] | prpplague: Or is that what you are talking about? |
| 14:43:42 | prpplague | [George]: no, just plain old xfree86/tinyx |
| 14:44:21 | mark | prpplague: excellent. touchscreen working yet? |
| 14:44:45 | [George] | prpplague: And that'll run on XFree86 using Qt/X11? |
| 14:44:50 | prpplague | mark: yep, my son was just playing around with xeyes a few minutes ago |
| 14:45:10 | [George] | prpplague: screenshots? |
| 14:45:15 | prpplague | [George]: i'm sorry i don't understand the question? |
| 14:45:35 | mark | wtf do you want a screen shot of xeyes |
| 14:45:48 | [George] | prpplague: Do you have any screenshots of Opie on X11? :) |
| 14:45:58 | [George] | prpplague: Or is it exactly the same as Opie on Qt/e? |
| 14:45:59 | mark | prpplague: will it be possible to store X on a cf or something? |
| 14:46:04 | [George] | mark: blah |
| 14:46:14 | VerxIdle | ok treke |
| 14:46:24 | VerxIdle | look on http://handhelds.org/scap |
| 14:46:41 | prpplague | [George]: this install of OZ will contain only xfree86 no qt |
| 14:46:46 | ljp | opie doesnt run on x11 |
| 14:46:49 | VerxHome | looks like I accidentally took two screenshots |
| 14:46:53 | VerxHome | they are both upside down |
| 14:46:57 | VerxHome | the app is called DragonSheet |
| 14:47:10 | prpplague | mark: yes it will be possible to run x from a sd or cf card |
| 14:47:24 | treke|ho1e | just click the flip link |
| 14:47:52 | VerxHome | bbiaf, breakfast |
| 14:47:56 | Cloudchaser | very neat VerxHome: |
| 14:47:59 | treke|ho1e | VerxHome: your gonna need a qscrollview :) |
| 14:48:26 | [George] | ok, I'm getting confused |
| 14:48:36 | treke|ho1e | [George]: how surprising |
| 14:48:42 | [George] | treke|ho1e: lol |
| 14:49:08 | treke|ho1e | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.30105.png |
| 14:49:11 | [George] | are there ANY alternatives to evil evil evil evil evil evil evil |
| 14:49:12 | treke|ho1e | NICE |
| 14:49:14 | [George] | qinstall |
| 14:49:36 | Cloudchaser | that looks very nice treke |
| 14:49:53 | treke|ho1e | now I guess its time to bug zecke about autologin :) |
| 14:49:56 | Cloudchaser | is that for oz? |
| 14:50:07 | ljp | autologin? |
| 14:50:10 | [George] | Cloudchaser: no, for familiar 0.6 |
| 14:50:10 | treke|ho1e | I'm sure it will get into oz eventually |
| 14:50:34 | treke|ho1e | ljp: Having opie log in as a user without having to enter a username and password |
| 14:51:46 | ljp | thats not very secure |
| 14:52:02 | treke|ho1e | ljp: so? Its a pda |
| 14:52:05 | [George] | ljp: The function is in KDE's KDM as well |
| 14:52:25 | [George] | treke|ho1e: yes, but PDAs normally store sensitive info |
| 14:52:44 | [George] | treke|ho1e: especially when people use them as portable data carriers |
| 14:52:55 | treke|ho1e | [George]: Uhm, what else to people use them for? |
| 14:53:11 | treke|ho1e | [George]: Most PDAs I've seen allow you to use it passwordless |
| 14:53:19 | [George] | treke|ho1e: I know |
| 14:53:28 | [George] | treke|ho1e: I'm not against the fact that autologin would be nice |
| 14:53:37 | ljp | all the more reason why things should be more sucure.. suppose you leave it somewhere.. then someone would have access to all sorts of personal data |
| 14:53:41 | [George] | treke|ho1e: I'm against the fact that you said "So? it's a pda" |
| 14:55:48 | [George] | what's "Dragon Sheet" that's appeared on scap? |
| 14:56:07 | treke|ho1e | [George]: that was meant in the sense that it should be ready and waiting to pass out information unless the user wants a password. If I reboot, it should be ready to go the next time I pull it out of my pocket, not waiting for me to log in |
| 14:56:38 | [George] | treke|ho1e: hmm, I've always kept my PDAs password protected |
| 14:57:49 | [George] | is it possible to "bulk" symlink |
| 14:57:56 | [George] | ie - symlink more than one file at a time |
| 14:58:01 | [George] | using the same name in a different location? |
| 15:00:43 | prpplague | treke|ho1e: nice little page for screen capture |
| 15:02:48 | [George] | ok |
| 15:02:56 | [George] | anyone got a SL5500 here? |
| 15:03:01 | rw2 | yeah |
| 15:03:16 | [George] | have you used benmeyers script to make an ipk for Hancom Office? |
| 15:03:22 | treke|ho1e | prpplague: thank russ nelson for that |
| 15:03:36 | rw2 | nope |
| 15:03:56 | [George] | rw2: do you think you could possibly do it and send me the resulting hancomsheet file? |
| 15:04:15 | [George] | rw2: The one that downloads off hancom.com is retarded and qinstall doesn't like it |
| 15:05:09 | whardier | sleep /quit |
| 15:05:10 | rw2 | If you walk me through it I can, never done it before. |
| 15:05:11 | whardier | haha |
| 15:05:31 | [George] | rw2: Neither have I ;) |
| 15:05:51 | [George] | hang on |
| 15:06:13 | angrybsd | good morning |
| 15:09:24 | mark | prpplague: thats cool (running of CF) |
| 15:09:41 | mark | [George]: how is the intimate port going? |
| 15:10:12 | [George] | mark: My CF card isn't big enough, put it that way |
| 15:10:17 | [George] | mark: I might get up off my ass though and get the bootloader working |
| 15:11:56 | mark | [George]: i see |
| 15:12:12 | angrybsd | [George]: you should have gotten the $60 256mb one yesterday! |
| 15:12:54 | [George] | angrybsd: I've run out of money |
| 15:12:59 | [George] | angrybsd: Yes, even $60 |
| 15:13:09 | [George] | angrybsd: Plus, I'd prefer to save up and get a uDrive 1GB |
| 15:13:50 | VerxHome | treke: So you don't see an option other than scrollview either then |
| 15:13:53 | VerxHome | I tried to tell ya |
| 15:13:54 | VerxHome | :) |
| 15:16:48 | daralc|sleep | * Your service charge ($39.95) and a one-time activation fee ($25.00) will be billed direct from Verizon on a monthly invoice |
| 15:16:57 | daralc|sleep | i so can use my existing verizon contract |
| 15:17:23 | VerxHome | george/treke: Either of you around? |
| 15:18:02 | VerxHome | I am having a compiler issue from having changed QDialog to QWidget in my .ui: |
| 15:18:04 | VerxIdle | c:\vs\myprojects\dragonsheet\dragonsheetmainimpl.cpp(12) : error C2661: 'DragonSheetMainBase::DragonSheetMainBase' : no overloaded function takes 4 parameters |
| 15:18:05 | VerxIdle | main.cpp |
| 15:18:31 | VerxHome | what I am trying to figure out is WHERE to change this |
| 15:18:46 | daralc|sleep | you specified the wrong number of paramters |
| 15:18:47 | VerxHome | I mean, I can change it in the .cpp file, but that won't work the next time I rebuild everything. . . |
| 15:19:00 | VerxHome | daralc|sleep: I know that, but it is a bit more complex than that |
| 15:19:03 | daralc|sleep | check the member function, you are going to need a member function with 4 paramaters |
| 15:19:09 | VerxHome | -*I*- am not specifying them, moc is |
| 15:19:18 | daralc|sleep | yea i'm a complete moron i just felt like talking;) |
| 15:19:26 | VerxHome | you aren't a moron |
| 15:19:44 | VerxHome | :) |
| 15:20:15 | daralc|sleep | thanks :) |
| 15:20:20 | VerxHome | heh |
| 15:21:53 | daralc|sleep | when you buy a rackmount server you so get ripped off |
| 15:22:04 | daralc|sleep | you have to bulid it |
| 15:22:43 | whardier | ? |
| 15:22:57 | daralc|sleep | i'm looking into getting a 2u server |
| 15:22:59 | daralc|sleep | sorry |
| 15:22:59 | daralc|sleep | : |
| 15:23:01 | daralc|sleep | :'( |
| 15:23:14 | whardier | and you are freaked cause you have to "build" it ? |
| 15:23:20 | daralc|sleep | nah |
| 15:23:28 | daralc|sleep | i built my workstation |
| 15:23:39 | daralc|sleep | just i'm trying to find a suitable rackmount chassis, they are rather expensive |
| 15:23:56 | whardier | axiomtek |
| 15:24:11 | daralc|sleep | they make chassis? |
| 15:24:32 | whardier | http://www.axiomtek.com/product-info.php?cat=Industrial+PCs&model=AX61220&model_table=chassis |
| 15:25:10 | daralc|sleep | sweet thanks |
| 15:25:14 | daralc|sleep | you recommend that too? |
| 15:25:18 | whardier | yeah |
| 15:25:27 | VerxIdle | DragonSheetMain::DragonSheetMain( QWidget* parent, const char* name, WFlags fl ) |
| 15:25:27 | VerxIdle | : DragonSheetMainBase( parent, name, fl ) |
| 15:25:27 | VerxIdle | { |
| 15:25:27 | VerxIdle | } |
| 15:25:31 | daralc|sleep | from whta i hear, i need redundant power supply |
| 15:25:36 | daralc|sleep | is that a good idea/ |
| 15:25:38 | VerxIdle | DragonSheetMain::~DragonSheetMain() |
| 15:25:39 | VerxIdle | { |
| 15:25:40 | VerxIdle | } |
| 15:25:47 | VerxIdle | you guys see anything wrong with those functions? |
| 15:25:51 | whardier | http://www.axiomtek.com/product-info.php?cat=Industrial+PCs&model=AX6149B&model_table=chassis |
| 15:25:53 | whardier | heheheh |
| 15:25:56 | VerxIdle | these are inherited from QWidget |
| 15:26:05 | VerxIdle | I am getting this error: |
| 15:26:15 | VerxIdle | c:\vs\myprojects\dragonsheet\dragonsheetmainimpl.cpp(11) : error C2511: 'DragonSheetMain::DragonSheetMain' : overloaded member function 'void (class QWidget *,const char *,unsigned int)' not found in 'DragonSheetMain' |
| 15:26:15 | VerxIdle | c:\vs\myprojects\dragonsheet\dragonsheetmainimpl.h(5) : see declaration of 'DragonSheetMain' |
| 15:26:16 | VerxIdle | c:\vs\myprojects\dragonsheet\dragonsheetmainimpl.cpp(23) : fatal error C1004: unexpected end of file found |
| 15:26:20 | whardier | http://www.axiomtek.com/product-info.php?cat=Industrial+PCs&model=AX6180&model_table=chassis I want one of those |
| 15:26:40 | whardier | you broke it |
| 15:26:59 | VerxHome | eh? |
| 15:28:09 | VerxHome | ahh, figured it out |
| 15:28:11 | VerxHome | criminy |
| 15:28:19 | daralc|sleep | from whta i hear, i need redundant power supply |
| 15:28:21 | daralc|sleep | is that a good idea/ |
| 15:28:24 | whardier | http://www.axiomtek.com/product-info.php?cat=Industrial+PCs&model=AX6126&model_table=chassis |
| 15:28:25 | whardier | I want one of those |
| 15:28:37 | whardier | http://www.axiomtek.com/product-info.php?cat=Industrial+PCs&model=AX6113&model_table=chassis or these |
| 15:28:41 | whardier | screw redundant power |
| 15:28:45 | whardier | this has redundant computers |
| 15:28:55 | daralc|sleep | haha |
| 15:29:16 | daralc|sleep | how much? |
| 15:29:25 | ljp | needs redundant cars |
| 15:29:25 | whardier | good lord.. up there |
| 15:29:33 | whardier | needs redundant cats |
| 15:29:38 | whardier | so he can throw one off the balcony |
| 15:29:57 | daralc|sleep | http://www.axiomtek.com/product-info.php?cat=Industrial+PCs&model=AX61220&model_table=chassis |
| 15:29:59 | mark | whardier: that thing is cool |
| 15:30:00 | daralc|sleep | how much that one cost |
| 15:30:07 | daralc|sleep | AX61220TP/X300R |
| 15:30:07 | daralc|sleep | 2U Compact Rackmount Industrial Computer Chassis with ATX6022/6VP4 and ATX 250W hot-swap redundant power supply |
| 15:30:14 | Morfio | does anyone knows when zaurus 2 will be released? |
| 15:30:24 | daralc|sleep | zaurus 2? |
| 15:30:42 | Morfio | i think so, why not? |
| 15:30:50 | daralc|sleep | i dunno |
| 15:31:00 | VerxHome | Jason said they are working on it |
| 15:31:06 | VerxHome | I haven't heard any specific date |
| 15:31:08 | daralc|sleep | the zaurus sl5500 got discontinued at bestbuy |
| 15:31:28 | VerxHome | will be a 39xx with something to make it much better than a 39xx |
| 15:31:32 | VerxHome | (iPAQ) |
| 15:31:34 | Morfio | hmmm, i'd seen a photo of it |
| 15:31:36 | Morfio | thx |
| 15:31:39 | Morfio | bye |
| 15:31:42 | VerxHome | wait |
| 15:31:43 | VerxHome | where? |
| 15:31:51 | daralc|sleep | hah |
| 15:31:54 | daralc|sleep | he flew out of here |
| 15:32:01 | VerxHome | yeah he did |
| 15:32:03 | VerxHome | durnit |
| 15:32:05 | daralc|sleep | whardier: how much would that case cost me? |
| 15:32:51 | whardier | I need a few good gigE cards |
| 15:33:03 | whardier | anybody know a good linux ready gigE card? |
| 15:34:15 | VerxHome | I would think netgear would do ya |
| 15:35:05 | whardier | any dual gigE cards :) |
| 15:35:12 | ljp | just found some qt stickers he got in December |
| 15:35:45 | mark | whardier: those rock |
| 15:35:49 | whardier | http://www.netgear.com/product_view.asp?xrp=1&yrp=1&zrp=94 |
| 15:35:50 | ljp | discovers that they are actually temporary tattoos |
| 15:35:52 | whardier | neat |
| 15:36:11 | whardier | I am just hoping you can do peer to peer with them |
| 15:36:26 | daralc|sleep | p2p? |
| 15:36:43 | whardier | err.. peer 2 peer |
| 15:37:02 | whardier | crossover |
| 15:38:14 | [George] | how do I FTP into the Zaurus using the original rom? |
| 15:38:16 | [George] | what username? |
| 15:38:23 | whardier | "" |
| 15:38:31 | whardier | username root |
| 15:38:33 | whardier | password "" |
| 15:39:30 | [George] | root@titanium george # ftp 192.168.129.201 |
| 15:39:30 | [George] | ftp: connect: Connection refused |
| 15:39:37 | mark | port 401 isn't it? |
| 15:39:44 | ljp | 4242 |
| 15:39:47 | daralc|sleep | hmm |
| 15:39:52 | mark | ljp: thats the one |
| 15:39:55 | daralc|sleep | i recieve a sytanx error when compiling giFT |
| 15:40:20 | [George] | ahh great |
| 15:40:46 | mark | [George]: not using oz/ |
| 15:41:05 | daralc|sleep | haha, i just now read the fucking manual |
| 15:41:07 | daralc|sleep | it told me what to do |
| 15:41:41 | [George] | mark: nope |
| 15:41:44 | kergoth | ljp: I'll be starting on the audio drivers soon. |
| 15:42:16 | Mickey0 | kergoth: buzzer audio??? |
| 15:42:19 | kergoth | ljp: right now I'm fixing it so it actually charges the battery, and i'm making the leds function again. |
| 15:42:39 | kergoth | Mickey0: all audio.. i havent merged any of it into 2.5.x yet |
| 15:42:53 | kergoth | Mickey0: e.g. mic in, buzzer out, headphones out |
| 15:43:04 | Mickey0 | kergoth: grrrrrrreeat! |
| 15:43:06 | Mickey0 | :) |
| 15:44:00 | kergoth | Theres a cool function in 2.5.x to make one led show cpu usage, and the other be a watchdog, so you can confirm the unit is still functional |
| 15:44:10 | kergoth | i'm gonna make our power and email leds do that, for shits |
| 15:44:18 | Mickey0 | btw, the battery led ioctls only work if the ac is plugged in. is this a software or hardware issue ? |
| 15:44:58 | kergoth | uh, i'd say software |
| 15:45:02 | kergoth | i'll look into it |
| 15:45:22 | Mickey0 | fine. would be cool to have them work all the time. |
| 15:45:34 | mark | kergoth: has it been determined impossible to have normal sound out of the speaker? |
| 15:45:36 | kergoth | Mickey0: everything is software, you cant even charge the battery without setting something in software. |
| 15:45:48 | kergoth | mark: no. it hasnt been dug into thoroughly yet. |
| 15:46:08 | mark | kergoth: I see - so the hardware necessary is there? |
| 15:46:16 | Mickey0 | mark: it can't be impossible, since the current sounds are also "normal" samples - just hardwired in the driver- |
| 15:46:27 | mark | Mickey0: what an ugly hack |
| 15:46:30 | kergoth | mark: The dac is capable.. and as mickey says, the 3 sample sounds are just inlined. |
| 15:46:46 | kergoth | mark: you have no idea how many ugly hacks are in the kenrel, much less lineo's code |
| 15:46:47 | kergoth | heheh |
| 15:47:07 | Mickey0 | :)) can you clean up the mess a bit for 2.5.x? |
| 15:47:25 | mark | notes his desk works well as a guitar am |
| 15:47:27 | mark | o |
| 15:47:31 | mark | amp even |
| 15:47:59 | Mickey0 | sure, a wooden desk has a nice resonance body. |
| 15:48:07 | kergoth | Mickey0: thats why its taking so long. i want this accepted by rmk into his tree... so i'm trying to make things less hack'ish and more generally useful |
| 15:48:20 | angrybsd | kergoth: are you talking about OZ? |
| 15:48:27 | kergoth | angrybsd: yeah |
| 15:48:53 | kergoth | hey Dr_Who, how goes it |
| 15:48:53 | mark | Mickey0: i prefer it to my standard amp, its so growly at the bottom end (its a bass) |
| 15:49:03 | Mickey0 | mark: :)) |
| 15:49:10 | Dr_Who | hey ya kergoth |
| 15:49:12 | Dr_Who | it goes |
| 15:49:16 | Dr_Who | how's life up in the twin cities? |
| 15:49:46 | kergoth | not too bad, it is summer after all |
| 15:49:47 | kergoth | you? |
| 15:50:24 | Dr_Who | heh ... that's true! thought I'd hack a bit on some things before I gotta get my butt to the theatre |
| 15:50:32 | [George] | man |
| 15:50:41 | [George] | I want a drop in replacement for Qinstall right NOW! |
| 15:50:42 | [George] | :) |
| 15:50:49 | [George] | anyone know of any? :) |
| 15:50:58 | mark | oipkg? |
| 15:51:04 | [George] | for the Zaurus rom? |
| 15:51:13 | mark | [George]: just go flash oz |
| 15:51:14 | kergoth | Dr_Who: ah nice, what movie? |
| 15:51:24 | [George] | mark: no never! I will not be a Jedi! |
| 15:51:59 | Dr_Who | kergoth: melodrama called "Lament of the Lupine Lover or What's the big hairy deal?" ... I'm in it |
| 15:52:27 | kergoth | Dr_Who: oh nice. have a good time |
| 15:52:44 | Dr_Who | o yeah, it's definatley a blash |
| 15:52:47 | Dr_Who | err blast |
| 15:52:52 | kergoth | blash |
| 15:52:53 | kergoth | heheh |
| 15:53:29 | Dr_Who | it's a blash AFTER we hit the bar |
| 15:53:34 | kergoth | hah |
| 15:54:59 | JasonNJ-home | I saw austin powers yesterday... what a mistake |
| 15:55:09 | angrybsd | lol |
| 15:55:30 | JasonNJ-home | I wanted to see k19... wasnt able to convince the others with me |
| 15:55:55 | rw2 | it wasn't groovy baby, yeah? |
| 15:56:19 | mark | JasonNJ-home: not good? |
| 15:56:24 | kergoth | JasonNJ-home: austin powers was that bad eh? a sequel that didnt need to be made? |
| 15:56:34 | JasonNJ-home | too much bodily functuon humor |
| 15:56:40 | mark | the 1st was good, 2nd was mediocre |
| 15:56:52 | angrybsd | 2 sucked real bad |
| 15:56:53 | Dr_Who | awww man ... sorry to hear that... |
| 15:57:01 | BigBoss | I've heard people that loved it and say it's the funniest, and others hate it |
| 15:57:02 | angrybsd | i couldnt imagine 3 being worse than 2 |
| 15:57:47 | JasonNJ-home | the entire movie was dick and piss humor |
| 15:58:12 | Cloudchaser | very appealing to the under 9 crowd |
| 15:58:39 | JasonNJ-home | that and the beating up on dwarves humor |
| 15:59:11 | JasonNJ-home | and lots of making fun of japanese humor |
| 15:59:20 | Cloudchaser | sounds ghastly |
| 15:59:20 | JasonNJ-home | which I am afraid to say, I laughed at |
| 15:59:33 | rw2 | Ah, so you were looking for it to be politically correct! :-) |
| 15:59:43 | rw2 | Ooops, no you say you laughed. |
| 16:00:22 | JasonNJ-home | the best joke was the japanese twins |
| 16:00:30 | JasonNJ-home | Fook Me and Fook Yu |
| 16:00:38 | mark | ignores JasonNJ-home as he's seing it on tuesday |
| 16:02:28 | treke|ho1e | how can you not expect the third in a series of one joke movies not to suck :) |
| 16:03:08 | Dr_Who | well ... one can hope .. |
| 16:07:13 | cranch | kergoth? |
| 16:07:29 | | cranch: what? |
| 16:07:29 | cranch | ibot: zai |
| 16:07:35 | | zsi is http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 16:07:35 | cranch | ibot: zsi |
| 16:07:40 | cranch | thanks |
| 16:07:47 | cranch | thanks ibot |
| 16:09:02 | | no problem angrybsd |
| 16:09:02 | angrybsd | ibot thanks |
| 16:09:10 | rw2 | Do I type the name 'ibot:' or is there a fancy irc way to direct a comment to a person (or bot)? |
| 16:09:35 | cranch | you usually just have to type ibot and then what you want |
| 16:09:39 | cranch | I put a colon after it |
| 16:09:45 | | hmmm... kergoth is the wizard of OZ or at mailto:kergoth@digitalnemesis.net or needing to have two heads and 4 hands so he can get roms out twice as fast or using bad words |
| 16:09:45 | cranch | ibot: kergoth |
| 16:09:52 | rw2 | cranch: so this is a note to you? |
| 16:09:59 | cranch | yup |
| 16:09:59 | | zaurus is at http://developer.sharpsec.com/index.cfm or the closest thing to sex I can get in the palm of my hand. or the Sharp PDA brand name. The SL-5000, SL-5500 and A300 run Linux. There are also other Japanese models running a proprietary operating system. or there are 12 screws holding it together - pop off th ekeyboard and the hidden one is beneath the email key |
| 16:09:59 | rw2 | ibot: zaurus |
| 16:10:10 | angrybsd | does OZ use OPIE? |
| 16:10:14 | cranch | yup |
| 16:10:19 | angrybsd | k |
| 16:10:24 | | kergoth is the wizard of OZ or at mailto:kergoth@digitalnemesis.net or needing to have two heads and 4 hands so he can get roms out twice as fast or using bad words |
| 16:10:24 | cranch | ibot: where is kergoth |
| 16:10:35 | | no idea, cranch |
| 16:10:35 | cranch | ibot: commands? |
| 16:10:37 | rw2 | cranch: Ok, muds have better support for such stuff. Wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something here. |
| 16:10:38 | cranch | haha |
| 16:10:49 | cranch | is kinda new to IRC |
| 16:10:54 | cranch | but ibot is his friend |
| 16:11:02 | br33zy | now thats sad |
| 16:11:03 | | cranch: huh? |
| 16:11:03 | cranch | ibot: hug |
| 16:11:06 | cranch | haha |
| 16:11:11 | cranch | whats that br33zy |
| 16:11:21 | br33zy | a bot as your friend? |
| 16:11:28 | cranch | I was kidding :P |
| 16:11:30 | br33zy | cant you find a better bot than ibot |
| 16:11:41 | | ibot is nothing but an industrial petrification of tempestuous dog balls. |
| 16:11:41 | br33zy | ibot insult ibot |
| 16:11:45 | cranch | haha |
| 16:11:46 | | ibot is nothing but a mammering bag of evil pods. |
| 16:11:46 | br33zy | ibot insult ibot |
| 16:11:50 | | ibot is nothing but a knotty-pated pile of tottering red dye number-9. |
| 16:11:50 | br33zy | ibot insult ibot |
| 16:11:54 | br33zy | i rest my case |
| 16:11:57 | cranch | true |
| 16:12:06 | cranch | you use OpenZ br33zy? |
| 16:12:12 | br33zy | dont even have a Z |
| 16:12:19 | cranch | damn :) |
| 16:12:25 | br33zy | hey guys |
| 16:12:33 | br33zy | whenever i launch qvfb, it says, cnat open mouse pipe? |
| 16:12:43 | cranch | in what ? |
| 16:12:51 | Mickey0 | br33zy: check for stale /tmp/.qvfb* files |
| 16:13:18 | kergoth | Eterm rocks |
| 16:13:21 | kergoth | cranch: whats up? |
| 16:13:25 | [George] | any sarien experts here? |
| 16:13:29 | br33zy | Mickey0: thanks |
| 16:14:01 | andrius2 | how do all? |
| 16:14:10 | cranch | oh...I'm confused on the memory usage of my Z...I'm reading some docs now but if I can't figure it out I'll come harass you :) |
| 16:14:13 | Guest | hi all |
| 16:14:19 | kergoth | cranch: hah, k |
| 16:14:42 | Guest | my zaurus is always complaining of low nenory |
| 16:14:50 | andrius2 | just bought himself a zaurus off the Best Buy shelf (nice of them to discontinue and make 'em cheap)...Anyone got any suggestions or advice? |
| 16:14:54 | Guest | memory even |
| 16:15:10 | cranch | andrius...what are you asking :) |
| 16:15:24 | andrius2 | heh |
| 16:15:26 | cranch | has no nenory in his Z |
| 16:15:43 | cranch | kergoth..I'm currently reading the man page on OpenZaurus :) |
| 16:15:59 | andrius2 | cranch: well for one thing, do you know where I can get a stylus? |
| 16:16:08 | andrius2 | and a plastic cover? |
| 16:16:13 | VerxHome | could someone explain to me |
| 16:16:19 | VerxHome | what the CHECK_PTR function does? |
| 16:16:34 | Guest | anyone know how to download files from within opera? |
| 16:16:53 | andrius2 | clicking on them doesn't work? |
| 16:17:00 | Guest | no |
| 16:17:02 | cranch | not .ipkg files |
| 16:17:10 | cranch | it opens them up |
| 16:17:11 | cranch | or tries |
| 16:17:14 | cranch | right? |
| 16:17:17 | Guest | it opens them in the browser |
| 16:17:44 | Guest | just get jibberish for binaries and ipkg's |
| 16:17:57 | kergoth | Guest: improper mime types on the web server |
| 16:18:10 | kergoth | Guest: you're right though, opera needs an ability to force a save as.. |
| 16:18:23 | Guest | yea I agree |
| 16:18:27 | angrybsd | anyone know who runs heni-online.de? |
| 16:19:00 | Guest | was thinking of writting a small util to download a file from a url |
| 16:19:09 | angrybsd | Guest - AKA wget? |
| 16:19:26 | Guest | aaa yes:d |
| 16:20:36 | Guest | anyone know of a news reader for the Z? |
| 16:20:43 | br33zy | oooo me |
| 16:20:44 | br33zy | me |
| 16:20:46 | br33zy | telnet |
| 16:20:49 | angrybsd | lol |
| 16:20:59 | br33zy | lotsa control |
| 16:21:13 | Guest | to much;) |
| 16:22:06 | cranch | kergoth: after rebooting my Z (running openZ as you know) system info immediately shows: /jffs2 96kb available, /mnt/ram 8184kb available... |
| 16:22:08 | cranch | is that normal |
| 16:22:09 | angrybsd | by news reader |
| 16:22:15 | treke|ho1e | Guest: someone was working on one, but nothing available |
| 16:22:18 | angrybsd | do you mean newspaper online story reader |
| 16:22:23 | treke|ho1e | Guest: tin should work just fine though |
| 16:22:23 | angrybsd | or do you mean newsgroup |
| 16:22:38 | Guest | no i mean a newsreader |
| 16:22:45 | Guest | newsgroups |
| 16:22:47 | cranch | like PAN |
| 16:22:48 | cranch | ? |
| 16:22:48 | angrybsd | o |
| 16:22:57 | Guest | yep |
| 16:23:03 | Guest | like pan |
| 16:23:23 | Guest | pan wont run on the z though right? |
| 16:23:28 | kergoth | cranch: sysinfo is broken. |
| 16:23:36 | kergoth | cranch: it shows an incorrect value for /mnt/ram. |
| 16:23:40 | kergoth | cranch: everything else is accurate. |
| 16:23:55 | treke|ho1e | Guest: right |
| 16:24:23 | cranch | kergoth..it seems as if I was having problems instaling stuff... |
| 16:24:29 | cranch | I think it was trying to install to /mnt/cf |
| 16:24:33 | cranch | which could easily be a problem :) |
| 16:24:44 | cranch | cause I have a wireless CF card in there |
| 16:24:46 | prpplague | kergoth: any progress today on your 2.5 fun? |
| 16:24:58 | Guest | anyone know if conduits can be written for intellisync? |
| 16:25:17 | ljp- | needs some more java |
| 16:25:22 | kergoth | prpplague: yeah, i just set it up so the power led is now a cpu idle led, and the email led is now a timer.. if it ever stops, you know the Z crashed..hehe. just for debugging of course |
| 16:25:51 | prpplague | kergoth: cool |
| 16:25:58 | kergoth | prpplague: after that, i'm jumping into the keyboard and audio stuff |
| 16:26:19 | cranch | I wish I had a clue how to do stuff like that Kergoth :) |
| 16:26:34 | prpplague | kergoth: cool audio debugging "i'm sorry kergoth, i'm afraid i can't do that....." |
| 16:26:43 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:26:43 | Guest | bye all. thanks for your help |
| 16:26:56 | cranch | sorry i wasn't of any help Guest :) |
| 16:26:57 | kergoth | prpplague: I'm tempted to do the morse code oops output on our leds.... lol |
| 16:27:03 | cranch | right a newsreader called panz |
| 16:27:05 | cranch | get the joke |
| 16:27:20 | cranch | I'll be right back |
| 16:27:29 | cranch | I've got to boot into Gentoo |
| 16:27:38 | prpplague | kergoth: we have some debug scripts for sco that produce an ascii "the bird" when i fails |
| 16:27:39 | cranch | kergoth..which port is the one that Qtopia uses? |
| 16:27:55 | cranch | 4242? |
| 16:27:57 | cranch | or something |
| 16:28:01 | ljp- | kergoth: kernel error codes in morse via the leds |
| 16:28:18 | scan[LANparty] | is away: playing more Unreal Tournament |
| 16:28:24 | kergoth | prpplague: hah |
| 16:28:38 | kergoth | ljp-: yeah, they did a morse code oops output for the desktop already ;-) |
| 16:29:12 | prpplague | kergoth: how about "taps" when on the audio for a problem |
| 16:29:31 | kergoth | prpplague: hehe. fun stuff |
| 16:29:40 | kergoth | prpplague: course i'd want to fix up the buzzer driver so thats even possible.. |
| 16:30:15 | prpplague | kergoth: of course you use a pic processor via rs-232 to a tazer for more responsive debugging |
| 16:30:26 | kergoth | hah |
| 16:30:41 | kergoth | *bzzzzt!* bad user! bad! |
| 16:33:31 | W|GGL|T | is back (gone 09:32:12) |
| 16:33:52 | cranch | I'm back :) |
| 16:33:54 | cranch | resume the fun |
| 16:34:53 | W|GGL|T | is away: I'm busy or asleep |
| 16:34:54 | W|GGL|T | is back (gone 00:00:00) |
| 16:35:00 | W|GGL|T | dammit |
| 16:35:25 | W|GG-Libranet | is back (gone 09:33:18) |
| 16:35:59 | W|GG-Libranet | crap...looks like i'll have to attempt to get QD running again, which means another kernel build |
| 16:36:21 | prpplague | whats up with oftc |
| 16:36:41 | kergoth | good question |
| 16:36:49 | kergoth | i couldnt resolve it earlier |
| 16:36:56 | prpplague | me either |
| 16:38:03 | VerxHome | any comfortable Qt programmers here? |
| 16:38:51 | kergoth | I could use a new computer chair.. with lumbar support.. but other than that i'm comfortable </smartass> |
| 16:39:04 | prpplague | ha, good one |
| 16:39:07 | VerxHome | heheh |
| 16:39:26 | VerxHome | I am just trying to understand file wise how best to introduce classes |
| 16:39:37 | VerxHome | the Qt examples seem to have one class per include/implementation pair |
| 16:39:45 | VerxHome | I don't know if that is because they are just simple examples |
| 16:39:49 | VerxHome | or if that is convention |
| 16:39:53 | VerxHome | <--- new to C++ |
| 16:40:18 | Mickey0 | VerxHome: neither. IMO it is just good practice. |
| 16:40:33 | VerxHome | that makes for a potentially helluvalot of files |
| 16:40:56 | Mickey0 | VerxHome: yes, but also a quick recompile, if you change something |
| 16:41:02 | VerxHome | true |
| 16:41:09 | kergoth | yeah. adds clarity also |
| 16:41:12 | VerxHome | if my make process wasn't "make clean; make" heheheh |
| 16:41:24 | Mickey0 | Especially when you use cvs. |
| 16:41:27 | VerxHome | ok |
| 16:41:31 | VerxHome | next question then |
| 16:41:39 | VerxHome | if I am going to make a menu for my application |
| 16:41:52 | VerxHome | there is only going to be one menu in the entire app |
| 16:42:01 | VerxHome | am I to create a class just for this one menu? |
| 16:42:39 | kergoth | uh |
| 16:42:49 | kergoth | use qpemenubar |
| 16:43:13 | VerxHome | right, that is what I figured on doing, but the Qt menu example creates their own class |
| 16:43:16 | kergoth | You dont need to reimplement everything. use the existing classes. |
| 16:43:16 | VerxHome | which seemed silly to me |
| 16:43:25 | kergoth | yes, its silly unless there's a need to |
| 16:43:26 | kergoth | imho |
| 16:43:39 | kergoth | dont reinvent the wheel, and dont cause yourself extra work unless you have to :-) |
| 16:43:45 | VerxHome | heheh |
| 16:43:49 | VerxHome | sounds like a lazy person |
| 16:43:55 | VerxHome | and lazy people are just efficient people |
| 16:44:00 | kergoth | is lazy |
| 16:44:00 | VerxHome | decides he likes kergoth |
| 16:44:00 | VerxHome | :) |
| 16:44:03 | kergoth | haha |
| 16:44:09 | VerxHome | seriously |
| 16:44:15 | VerxHome | laziness begets efficiency |
| 16:44:56 | VerxHome | ahhh, PERFECT |
| 16:45:03 | VerxHome | looks at the addressbook example |
| 16:45:13 | VerxHome | finally understands enough code that this is a really good example |
| 16:49:04 | W|GGL|T | hrmm....just noticed that this install of slackware 8.1 has QT Designer |
| 16:49:17 | cranch | gentoo does too..I just saw |
| 16:49:24 | VerxHome | feels certain pieces of C++/Qt programming coming together in his head |
| 16:49:55 | VerxHome | wigglit, you do you do Qt/E apps? |
| 16:50:02 | W|GGL|T | lol...i woudn't know what to do with it |
| 16:50:05 | VerxHome | heh |
| 16:50:07 | VerxHome | okie |
| 16:50:14 | VerxHome | kergoth, do you have a moment? |
| 16:50:14 | W|GGL|T | no...ive minimal programming experience |
| 16:50:33 | mrwoody | hi... where can i find open sources softwares working with qtopia? |
| 16:50:34 | W|GGL|T | all classroom, which essentially = nil :o) |
| 16:50:36 | VerxHome | I think I just need one quick bit of info and I should be good to go |
| 16:50:48 | kergoth | mrwoody: zsi |
| 16:50:49 | | it has been said that zsi is http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 16:50:49 | VerxHome | ibot, zsi |
| 16:50:54 | kergoth | VerxHome: what do ya need? |
| 16:51:09 | mrwoody | what is zsi? |
| 16:51:12 | VerxHome | kergoth: If you need to know why I am asking, I can tell ya, but here is my question |
| 16:51:18 | VerxHome | mrwoody, see ibot's response above |
| 16:51:34 | VerxHome | kergoth: I have a class that is inheriting another class |
| 16:51:38 | mrwoody | are those in german? |
| 16:51:42 | VerxHome | er, perhaps better put, is derived from another class |
| 16:51:51 | kergoth | VerxHome: k, go on |
| 16:52:07 | W|GGL|T | damn...doesn't come with manuals |
| 16:52:12 | mrwoody | kergoth: what about simple examples? |
| 16:52:12 | VerxHome | kergoth: I would LIKE to make my class be inherited from QMainWindow |
| 16:52:22 | VerxHome | so class foo is derived from class bar |
| 16:52:26 | VerxHome | and class bar is QWidget |
| 16:52:36 | VerxHome | I want class foo to be derived from QMainWindow |
| 16:52:42 | VerxHome | but it also needs to derive from bar |
| 16:52:47 | VerxHome | is such a thing even possible? |
| 16:53:03 | kergoth | VerxHome: yes, absolutely |
| 16:53:08 | VerxHome | ok |
| 16:53:16 | VerxHome | well my foo class statement is roughly like this: |
| 16:53:26 | VerxHome | foo::foo () : bar(...) |
| 16:53:41 | VerxHome | and bar is obviously derived from QWidget from what I explained earlier |
| 16:53:47 | VerxHome | and if I do: |
| 16:53:56 | VerxHome | foo:foo () : QMainWidget; |
| 16:53:59 | treke|ho1e | class foo : public bar, public sna { |
| 16:54:11 | VerxHome | that certainly makes foo derived from QMainWidget, but it ISN'T derived from bar |
| 16:54:24 | VerxHome | sna? |
| 16:54:51 | mrwoody | is there a big difference from a language point of view within Qt and Qtopia? |
| 16:54:53 | treke|ho1e | ignore the class names :) |
| 16:54:57 | VerxHome | treke: ok |
| 16:55:14 | VerxHome | treke: None of the examples I had read yet showed a class inheriting from multiple classes |
| 16:55:16 | kergoth | mrwoody: not really. use tr() on your strings that you need translated when another language is selected |
| 16:55:18 | VerxHome | how does it sort thsat out? |
| 16:55:26 | VerxHome | treke: does the order matter somehow? |
| 16:55:47 | treke|ho1e | VerxHome: I dont beleive so, but I havent done much with multiple inheritance |
| 16:55:53 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:55:57 | kergoth | i try to avoid it myself |
| 16:56:02 | kergoth | but there are times when its necessary |
| 16:56:04 | treke|ho1e | VerxHome: look at the code for QWidget for examples |
| 16:56:24 | VerxHome | treke/kergoth: If I am wanting to do this, would it work to do: foo:foo() : bar, QMainWindow { } ??? |
| 16:56:36 | mrwoody | kergoth: what is tr()? |
| 16:56:44 | kergoth | VerxHome: ugh.. you're looking at the constructor.. do it in the class Declaration.. |
| 16:57:01 | VerxHome | mrwoody: VERY few differences in Qt and Qtopia |
| 16:57:04 | kergoth | mrwoody: http://doc.trolltech.com/ .. read the i18n page. |
| 16:57:07 | VerxHome | kergoth: blarg, you are right |
| 16:57:49 | kergoth | cranks up some classic megadeth and goes back to coding |
| 16:58:10 | ljp- | that'll rot yer brain |
| 16:58:24 | VerxHome | thanks for the help kergoth/treke |
| 16:58:25 | kergoth | hah |
| 16:58:35 | kergoth | ...the symphony... of destruction ... |
| 16:58:42 | VerxHome | damnit kergoth |
| 16:58:44 | kergoth | good stuff |
| 16:58:47 | VerxHome | connects to his mp3 server |
| 16:58:48 | kergoth | VerxHome: still probs? |
| 16:58:49 | kergoth | hah |
| 16:58:54 | VerxHome | plays symphony |
| 16:58:56 | treke|ho1e | VerxHome is getting into some deep stuff for his third day of c++ :) |
| 16:59:07 | VerxHome | treke: Well, isn't that how it works |
| 16:59:12 | VerxHome | you dive in deep, you learn quick |
| 16:59:23 | VerxHome | but yeah, for 3 days, I am in fairly deep |
| 16:59:27 | kergoth | VerxHome: assuming you dont drown ;-) |
| 16:59:32 | VerxHome | heh |
| 16:59:39 | VerxHome | let me explain something kergoth |
| 16:59:42 | VerxHome | it is really weird |
| 16:59:52 | VerxHome | I read the Qt examples |
| 16:59:56 | VerxHome | they were meaningless |
| 17:00:00 | VerxHome | I bought some C++ books |
| 17:00:06 | VerxHome | and the tutorial made some sense then |
| 17:00:10 | VerxHome | but the examples still didn't |
| 17:00:13 | VerxHome | I coded some |
| 17:00:21 | VerxHome | then the tutorial made a ton more sense |
| 17:00:26 | VerxHome | then I coded some more |
| 17:00:37 | VerxHome | now FINALLY, some of the Qt examples are really meaningful |
| 17:00:43 | kergoth | lol.. |
| 17:00:45 | ljp- | ownes a bot for writing code |
| 17:00:50 | VerxHome | I had to learn quite a bit before this stuff makes sense to me |
| 17:00:55 | VerxHome | I guess it is just how my brain works |
| 17:01:31 | hunger | kergoth: Hi there! |
| 17:01:35 | kergoth | VerxHome: I'm similar. I cant just know the basics, i need a solid conceptual understanding of things before i'm satisfied.. there's a difference between being able to code something and truly understanding it |
| 17:01:38 | kergoth | hunger: hey.. |
| 17:01:45 | hunger | kergoth: Do you know of something like ldd for the Z? |
| 17:01:51 | KajUK | Hi there! |
| 17:01:58 | kergoth | hunger: steal ldd from the skiffs :) |
| 17:01:59 | VerxHome | kergoth: Yeah, and I almost can't code without fully understanding it |
| 17:02:03 | VerxHome | at least not after the first bit |
| 17:02:04 | VerxHome | :) |
| 17:02:07 | hunger | kergoth: I'm still trying to figure out why my libc breaks stuff. |
| 17:02:10 | mrwoody | I have just compiled a software that I have downloaded from the website that you told me... how to run it on a x86? |
| 17:02:13 | hunger | kergoth: skiffs? |
| 17:02:25 | kergoth | hunger: skiffcluster#.handhelds.org .. |
| 17:02:27 | VerxHome | but then, I also am learning Qt Designer and visual studio, neither of which have I used before |
| 17:02:28 | | bugger all, i dunno, kergoth |
| 17:02:28 | kergoth | ibot: skiffs? |
| 17:02:31 | VerxHome | so it has been a very full 3 days |
| 17:02:32 | VerxHome | :) |
| 17:02:33 | | hmmm... skiffcluster is at http://handhelds.org/projects/skiffcluster.html |
| 17:02:33 | kergoth | ibot: skiffcluster? |
| 17:02:36 | kergoth | there we go |
| 17:02:38 | KajUK | I've just bought CF-to-PCMCIA adapter and have some problems with my pcmcia cards |
| 17:02:59 | kergoth | VerxHome: sounds like it. here's hoping it makes it from your short term memory into your long term ;-) |
| 17:03:08 | VerxHome | hehehe |
| 17:03:12 | VerxHome | yeah, I am keeping notes |
| 17:03:15 | kergoth | good |
| 17:03:38 | kergoth | when i do what you're doing.. learn intense amounts in a small period of time i find its harder to ensure it all goes into long term memory.. |
| 17:03:45 | kergoth | notes are good. |
| 17:03:45 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:03:49 | VerxHome | yeah |
| 17:03:56 | VerxHome | I used to not keep notes and then I found what you describe |
| 17:04:00 | VerxHome | later on I couldn't re-do it |
| 17:04:03 | kergoth | same here. |
| 17:04:04 | ljp- | kergoth: that'd be like turning ram into hard drive |
| 17:04:10 | VerxHome | now I keep snapshots of things I do so I can see what I did |
| 17:04:13 | VerxHome | and notes as well |
| 17:04:19 | kergoth | ljp-: hehe. yeah. it gets cached.. but when i reboot.. its gone... lol |
| 17:04:30 | mrwoody | is it possible to run an ARM executable on a x86 using qpe? |
| 17:04:36 | ljp- | hahaha.. yepp happens to me evey night |
| 17:04:36 | kergoth | mrwoody: no |
| 17:05:07 | kergoth | mrwoody: but if you have the code, you just compile it for x86 instead of arm |
| 17:05:15 | mrwoody | kergoth: how to do that? |
| 17:05:17 | KajUK | PCMCIA cards are recognized but corrsponding drivers(prism2_cs or serial_cs) say about Vcc mismatch. I' sure those cards are 3.3v compliant (they work in Toshiba e570). Whats' wrong? |
| 17:05:26 | kergoth | mrwoody: make? |
| 17:05:28 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:05:36 | mrwoody | well make creates an arm file... |
| 17:05:58 | mrwoody | file zuc -> zuc: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (ARM), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped |
| 17:05:59 | kergoth | mrwoody: in THAT project, yes. so figure out why. i cant tell you, because every buildsystem is different |
| 17:06:18 | mrwoody | kergoth: but is there a way to pass through? |
| 17:06:23 | kergoth | mrwoody: ? |
| 17:06:33 | kergoth | 'pass through'<-? |
| 17:06:41 | hunger | hates the OZ CVS-password guessing game. |
| 17:06:49 | kergoth | hunger: I'm committing .cvspass's for taht :-) |
| 17:06:55 | VerxHome | do you need to show() a QMainWindow? Or does it get shown automatically? |
| 17:07:08 | kergoth | hunger: bzflag enlightened me, its how he dealt with it in the tuxscreen buildsystem when he added cvs checkout support |
| 17:07:18 | hunger | kergoth: YES! that's great! |
| 17:07:21 | kergoth | :-) |
| 17:07:26 | mrwoody | kergoth: i mean is there a way to make it work everytime? |
| 17:07:37 | kergoth | just remember, handhelds.org pass is anoncvs, busybox cvs pass is nothing :-) |
| 17:07:47 | kergoth | mrwoody: I still dont understand the question. |
| 17:08:14 | mrwoody | mrwoody: well what i am trying to ask is, given the .cpp file, without using the Makefile, what should i do? |
| 17:08:41 | kergoth | mrwoody: i dont remember the entire proper gcc line off the top of my head. buildsystems exist for a reason. to use them. |
| 17:08:46 | kergoth`coding | bbiaf |
| 17:08:48 | hunger | kergoth`coding: Tried building a busybox from today's CVS? They got a couple of new options. |
| 17:08:54 | kergoth`coding | hunger: i saw that |
| 17:09:01 | kergoth`coding | hunger: hwclock! |
| 17:09:02 | hunger | kergoth`coding: Do we need busybox's login? |
| 17:09:02 | kergoth`coding | :-) |
| 17:09:12 | kergoth`coding | hunger: we could ditch modutils and tinylogin in favor of busybox versions |
| 17:09:27 | hunger | kergoth`coding: Ah, cool. Will you look into this? |
| 17:09:33 | VerxHome | kergoth`coding: There are some minor issues with modutils from busybox |
| 17:09:34 | VerxHome | just fyi |
| 17:09:35 | kergoth`coding | hunger: yeah, i'll play with it today |
| 17:09:44 | VerxHome | I know sandman has worked on them, but things are definitely more shakey |
| 17:09:47 | kergoth`coding | VerxHome: yeah i know.. but i can always bitch at sandman to fix them |
| 17:09:50 | kergoth`coding | hehe |
| 17:09:50 | hunger | kergoth`coding: Cool! passwd and su... |
| 17:09:59 | kergoth`coding | hunger: exactly.. sulogin.. we dont need tinylogin |
| 17:10:07 | VerxHome | kergoth`coding: yeah, he is good at fixing things if the problem can be determined |
| 17:10:15 | kergoth`coding | k really bbiaf. need to get some coding done. heh |
| 17:14:19 | angrybsd | kergoth`coding + hunger: now nobody can h4x0r your Z with root privs ;) |
| 17:15:30 | hunger | angrybsd: Make that 'could h4x0r' in my case. I keep hosing my Z with my own libc:-) |
| 17:15:36 | ljp- | CloudChaser: use progen to make a pro file, them use tmake to make a Makefile |
| 17:17:03 | angrybsd | lol, wouldnt it be possible to SSH into someone else's Z to help them set something up? |
| 17:17:14 | whardier | all of my fluids are coming out of my head |
| 17:17:46 | hunger | angrybsd: Of course. |
| 17:17:53 | hunger | angrybsd: If oyu have the root passwd. |
| 17:18:11 | angrybsd | hunger: so if someone needed help you could just do that, right? |
| 17:18:30 | angrybsd | hunger: that is, if you could do whatever it is you needed to do all in the shell env. |
| 17:18:35 | hunger | angrybsd: If you can connect to the Z and have the password you can. |
| 17:18:55 | angrybsd | hunger: sweeet |
| 17:18:57 | hunger | angrybsd: You can do everything needed in the shell. If you know how:-) |
| 17:19:04 | ljp- | whardier: use JB Weld to patch them things up, so they don't leak |
| 17:19:11 | angrybsd | hunger: now the only problem is that i can even get my own ethernet over usb working ;) |
| 17:19:15 | hunger | angrybsd: The Z is a full linux box. It can even run apache if you want. |
| 17:19:34 | hunger | angrybsd: Buy a ethernet card for the Z:-) |
| 17:19:58 | hunger | angrybsd: Don't bother with that USB junk and the craddle that blocks the keyboard. |
| 17:19:59 | angrybsd | hunger: soon i'm actually going to get a wireless connection, just as good ;) |
| 17:20:19 | hunger | angrybsd: a) slower b) more expensive. |
| 17:20:35 | hunger | angrybsd: I have all the HW for ethernet anyway, I'd need to get stuff for wireless. |
| 17:22:44 | angrybsd | hunger: well, my high school has 802.11b installed all around the school |
| 17:23:22 | angrybsd | hunger: which nobody is using yet :) |
| 17:23:35 | angrybsd | hunger: but it's activated, no authentication, no encryption ;) |
| 17:24:29 | whardier | I wish nose would keep back all the boogers that want to escape right now |
| 17:24:45 | whardier | quick hide |
| 17:24:48 | whardier | its the Administrator! |
| 17:25:04 | George- | lol |
| 17:25:10 | George- | It's Mark Westcott, the BOFH! |
| 17:25:20 | George- | argh! =P |
| 17:25:25 | whardier | 957M Jul 28 12:28 Tron-HiQ-DivX.avi |
| 17:25:26 | whardier | heh |
| 17:25:28 | whardier | thats big |
| 17:25:32 | George- | Tron?!? |
| 17:25:34 | mark | whardier: hehe |
| 17:25:43 | George- | whardier: Can I have it? :) |
| 17:25:55 | whardier | err |
| 17:25:56 | whardier | sure |
| 17:26:04 | whardier | do you want the super high quality version? |
| 17:26:32 | angrybsd | anyone seen "hackers 2: operation takedown"? :) |
| 17:26:32 | George- | lol, I'm on 56k =P |
| 17:26:36 | George- | Can you bzip it? =P |
| 17:26:38 | whardier | then.. no |
| 17:26:42 | whardier | WHAT! |
| 17:26:46 | whardier | its divx encoded |
| 17:26:48 | George- | lol |
| 17:26:50 | whardier | bzipping it would make it larger |
| 17:26:54 | George- | HUH? |
| 17:26:55 | George- | Would it? |
| 17:26:56 | whardier | hackers 2 |
| 17:27:02 | whardier | was beyond all expectations of suck that I imagined |
| 17:27:23 | George- | hackers 3: Operation Kill Westcott ;) |
| 17:27:33 | George- | s/kill/hack |
| 17:27:35 | angrybsd | whardier: have you seen hackers 1? |
| 17:27:59 | angrybsd | whardier: it was at least 500x better than the original hackers :) |
| 17:28:04 | whardier | I dunno which one was worse |
| 17:28:14 | angrybsd | original hackers was funny because of how bad it was though |
| 17:28:25 | angrybsd | #2 was trying to be serious :( |
| 17:28:33 | whardier | hackers 2 was less.. stupid |
| 17:29:37 | treke|ho1e | whardier: which wasnt necesarrily a good thing :) |
| 17:29:42 | whardier | is encoding tron like 10 different ways |
| 17:29:47 | whardier | to find the supreme settings |
| 17:30:01 | whardier | I wanna be a hacker |
| 17:30:08 | br33zy | guys |
| 17:30:11 | br33zy | hwo can i move a qpixmap |
| 17:30:12 | whardier | with Angilina by my side |
| 17:30:13 | treke|ho1e | and encoding tron 10 ways is a good start |
| 17:30:18 | br33zy | is theere some qpixmapp.move? |
| 17:30:40 | angrybsd | lol |
| 17:30:45 | whardier | I am afraid what would happen if I posted a rip of Buckaroo Banzai |
| 17:30:50 | whardier | I might not have an internet connection for a while |
| 17:31:15 | treke|ho1e | hehe |
| 17:31:22 | whardier | ok |
| 17:31:23 | whardier | hmm |
| 17:31:28 | whardier | I am gonna encode just one chapter 10 times |
| 17:31:30 | whardier | heh |
| 17:31:45 | angrybsd | what of |
| 17:31:54 | George- | whardier: How do you encode/decode DivX on linux? |
| 17:31:59 | whardier | mencoder |
| 17:32:07 | angrybsd | MenCoder? |
| 17:32:16 | whardier | download mplayer |
| 17:32:16 | whardier | heh |
| 17:32:22 | ljp- | cat somefile.avi >> somefile.divx |
| 17:32:27 | treke|ho1e | hmmm, is there a way to tell QT to ouptut to sderr any slots that get called by signals? |
| 17:32:30 | George- | ljp-: hehe |
| 17:32:58 | George- | whardier: Does that work in LinuxPPC? |
| 17:33:34 | whardier | I don't have a PPC box |
| 17:33:36 | whardier | so I dunno |
| 17:33:54 | George- | whardier: well |
| 17:34:01 | George- | whardier: Is everything binary only? :) |
| 17:34:04 | | mdz was last seen on #zaurus 2 days, 1 hours, 19 minutes and 16 seconds ago, saying: angrybsd: what George- said. you can get an adapter to go one way or the other, but I don't remember which [Fri Jul 26 17:14:48 2002] |
| 17:34:04 | prpplague | ibot: seen mdz |
| 17:34:08 | | mdz_ was last seen on #zaurus 16 hours, 13 minutes and 48 seconds ago, saying: prpplague: what's wrong? [Sun Jul 28 02:20:20 2002] |
| 17:34:08 | prpplague | ibot: seen mdz_ |
| 17:34:25 | treke|ho1e | haha: http://hardwire.bogomip.com/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=Artwork&id=acr |
| 17:34:41 | VerxHome | treke, you have a sec |
| 17:34:46 | treke|ho1e | VerxHome: yeah |
| 17:34:53 | VerxHome | I am almost wondering if one of the Qt examples is messed up |
| 17:35:03 | VerxHome | treke: Could you pull up the addressbook example? |
| 17:35:09 | VerxHome | http://doc.trolltech.com/2.3/addressbook-main-cpp.html |
| 17:35:21 | treke|ho1e | k |
| 17:35:26 | VerxHome | Look for ABMainWindow::setupMenuBar |
| 17:35:36 | VerxHome | in the second line of the body of it |
| 17:35:38 | VerxHome | it says: |
| 17:35:43 | VerxHome | menuBar()->insertItem( "&File", file ); |
| 17:35:44 | treke|ho1e | ok |
| 17:35:54 | VerxHome | where the heck is menuBar being declared? |
| 17:36:03 | treke|ho1e | its part of QMainWindow |
| 17:36:21 | treke|ho1e | http://doc.trolltech.com/2.3/qmainwindow.html#0eb7bc |
| 17:36:26 | VerxHome | well, in my code I am including qmainwindow.h |
| 17:36:26 | whardier | orders a pizza |
| 17:36:43 | VerxHome | but I suppose the issue is, if I am dealing with a QWidget, I don't have a menuBar |
| 17:36:48 | VerxHome | only if I have QMainWindow? |
| 17:36:52 | treke|ho1e | right |
| 17:36:55 | VerxHome | ok |
| 17:37:06 | VerxHome | so I need to figure out how to put these pieces together |
| 17:37:10 | VerxHome | thanks treke, that helps a lot |
| 17:38:08 | whardier | i want an mpeg2 video encoder |
| 17:38:09 | whardier | damnit |
| 17:38:27 | treke|ho1e | bleh. ddd is a pain in the ass :) |
| 17:38:31 | ljp- | I have one |
| 17:39:26 | whardier | err I mean a software one |
| 17:39:30 | whardier | for linux |
| 17:39:39 | whardier | I wanna take raw video to DVD quality |
| 17:40:00 | ljp- | bah! software encoders suck |
| 17:40:03 | treke|ho1e | you could write one :) |
| 17:40:23 | whardier | ljp- well how else are you gonnna take raw digital video and go directly to mpeg2? |
| 17:40:23 | George- | ljp-: Do you? asshole! =P |
| 17:40:32 | whardier | run it ouside into a hardware encoder and hope it comes back in? |
| 17:40:40 | whardier | I have an mpeg2 board |
| 17:40:42 | George- | hmm, are h/w encoders better quality than s/w encoders? |
| 17:40:58 | whardier | George- it all comes down to somebody programmed both.. right.. |
| 17:41:08 | George- | lol |
| 17:41:09 | George- | ok |
| 17:41:11 | whardier | it cannot manipulate bits any differently then the 1 and 0's of the software encoder |
| 17:41:45 | ljp- | oohhh.. I thought you were using a digital signal.. |
| 17:41:51 | whardier | nope |
| 17:42:29 | ljp- | well, if you have the right hardware that has the right software that makes the hardware encoder available for the software.. ;) |
| 17:42:30 | whardier | but then again if I had a digital signal from the feed.. it would most likely already be in mpeg2 |
| 17:42:31 | whardier | heh |
| 17:42:44 | ljp- | hehhe |
| 17:42:49 | whardier | a hardware encoder would make it lots faster |
| 17:42:54 | whardier | however probably less flexable |
| 17:43:07 | ljp- | depends on the codecs it has |
| 17:43:15 | whardier | true that |
| 17:43:18 | George- | WAHOO! |
| 17:43:24 | George- | Wahoo wahey |
| 17:43:25 | whardier | I have a Zoran based card (Miro DC30) |
| 17:43:30 | whardier | I don't like it much |
| 17:43:32 | whardier | and its way old |
| 17:43:36 | whardier | older than the advent of DVD's |
| 17:43:46 | George- | the syntax highlighting actually _WORKS_ |
| 17:43:51 | George- | cheers |
| 17:44:23 | KajUK | Is it possible to replace just kernel on Zaurus with 2.37 ROM with kernel from OZ? |
| 17:44:33 | ljp- | heh dude, my first digital encoder was a micro dc 10! |
| 17:44:34 | whardier | I wouldn't suggest it |
| 17:44:42 | George- | KajUK: yes, but I wouldn't recommend it |
| 17:44:42 | whardier | ljp-: mine was a step above hehehe |
| 17:44:42 | ljp- | err miro |
| 17:44:49 | angrybsd | why not |
| 17:44:51 | hunger | KajUK: Sure. But then it won't boot anymore. |
| 17:44:53 | whardier | but a step below the DC30+ |
| 17:45:05 | ljp- | dc 10.. heh mjpeg |
| 17:45:10 | George- | hehe |
| 17:45:11 | kergoth`coding | hmm anyone have any good online general assembly language pages? i need a refresher course |
| 17:45:13 | George- | I have a DC10+ |
| 17:45:16 | whardier | the DC30 is mpeg2 |
| 17:45:20 | whardier | but its proprietary |
| 17:45:23 | whardier | there are linux tools for it |
| 17:45:28 | whardier | however I have never gotten them to work |
| 17:45:28 | KajUK | Does OZ support SD cards? |
| 17:45:30 | hunger | KajUK: OZ uses a diffrent format for the initrd... it can't read the Sharp' ROM's format. |
| 17:45:31 | George- | For illegally *cough cough* turning VHS tapes -> VCD |
| 17:45:32 | ljp- | with the dc 10 the codec were ONLY on the board |
| 17:45:34 | whardier | I am gonna order two LML33's soon |
| 17:45:46 | George- | KajUK: yes |
| 17:45:48 | whardier | ljp- what use is that? |
| 17:46:00 | hunger | KajUK: Yes, OZ supports SD cards. |
| 17:46:01 | ljp- | hehe not much if you take out the dc 10 |
| 17:46:11 | angrybsd | the Z was a big jump for me, going from the palm M100 |
| 17:46:11 | angrybsd | hehe |
| 17:46:48 | whardier | motion jpeg.. is amazing stuff |
| 17:46:49 | ToyKeeper | The Z was an interesting step sideways for me, from an ipaq running familiar. :) |
| 17:46:49 | whardier | hehe |
| 17:46:52 | KajUK | And what is the version of kernel in OZ? |
| 17:47:11 | ljp- | same as sharp |
| 17:47:13 | hunger | KajUK: 2.4.6, just like the Sharps iirc. |
| 17:47:20 | ToyKeeper | Eh, any hints on getting an MMC card to remount properly after resume? I can't seem to get it to. |
| 17:47:30 | hunger | KajUK: Kergoth is working on a port of the drivers to something more current. |
| 17:47:48 | ToyKeeper | Even when there are no files open on the card, it still gets very confused on suspend/resume. |
| 17:47:49 | Mickey0 | according to kergoth next OZ release will be 2.4.19 |
| 17:48:33 | KajUK | Bad, definitly swithching to OZ won't resolve my problems with PCPMCIA cards.. |
| 17:48:37 | whardier | shakes his garlic sauce |
| 17:48:57 | ToyKeeper | Ooh, 2.4.19 would be a nice step up from 2.4.6.. :) |
| 17:49:03 | George- | yeh |
| 17:49:09 | Mickey0 | KajUK: hmm... PCMCIA cards in the Zaurus? |
| 17:49:20 | KajUK | Well, |
| 17:49:20 | KajUK | I now kinda know how to make Sitecom and Nokia cards work. If I plug Buffalo CF WiFi card before using PCMCIA cards than they start to work (excep Orinoco card) though kernel still reports that cards are 5V Vcc. Strange. Anyway it's bad that I need plug and unplug CF card before using PCMCIA card. |
| 17:49:27 | KajUK | Ooops.. |
| 17:49:33 | hunger | KajUK: It fixed my problems with my ethernet card. |
| 17:49:39 | whardier | can't stop leaking |
| 17:49:39 | kergoth`coding | ToyKeeper: indeed. it's a little ways off though. getting there. |
| 17:49:42 | ToyKeeper | @ zaurus# ls -al /mnt/card |
| 17:49:47 | KajUK | this part of what I was sending on web forum |
| 17:49:50 | ToyKeeper | ls: /mnt/card/usr: Input/output error |
| 17:50:19 | ljp- | whardier: I told you to use JB Weld! |
| 17:50:24 | ToyKeeper | @ zaurus# umount /mnt/card ; mount /mnt/card ; ls -al /mnt/card ... this works... |
| 17:50:26 | George- | is there an equiv of locate() in Qt? |
| 17:50:29 | whardier | not my boat |
| 17:50:30 | whardier | my nose |
| 17:50:43 | hunger | kergoth`coding: How can I build an initrd for myself? |
| 17:50:57 | KajUK | Micker0: yes, why not? I've bought CF-to-PCMCIA adapter |
| 17:51:09 | George- | KajUK: Did it work? |
| 17:51:22 | ljp- | whardier: stick a tampon up your nose |
| 17:51:36 | kergoth`coding | hunger: make openzaurus? :-P |
| 17:51:36 | ToyKeeper | fragrant |
| 17:51:49 | VerxIdle | Anyone know what the heck this means? |
| 17:51:50 | VerxIdle | c:\vs\myprojects\dragonsheet\dragonsheetwindow.cpp(9) : error C2143: syntax error : missing ';' before 'PCH creation point' |
| 17:51:52 | kergoth`coding | hunger: just use mkfs.jffs2 |
| 17:51:53 | hunger | kergoth`coding: That will get me an initrd that I can flash to the Z? |
| 17:51:56 | VerxIdle | I don't know what a PCH creation point is |
| 17:51:58 | KajUK | George-: It kinda worked |
| 17:52:03 | VerxIdle | so I am having a hard time fixing this problem |
| 17:52:04 | George- | KajUK: and...? |
| 17:52:12 | kergoth`coding | hunger: yes. make openzaurus produces build/zImage-somethingorother and build/openzaurus/initrd.bin |
| 17:52:15 | whardier | ljp needs his nose plugged |
| 17:52:22 | hunger | kergoth`coding: How do I build the OPIE stuff? It would be cool if you could integrate that into OZ. |
| 17:52:23 | Mickey0 | VerxHome: umpfh.... error C2143 pretty looks like visual c++.... |
| 17:52:24 | George- | KajUK: I'm looking into getting a CF->PCMCIA adaptor |
| 17:52:25 | kergoth`coding | hunger: it produces the initrd from the contents of root/ after using ipkg to install the ipks into it |
| 17:52:30 | kergoth`coding | hunger: yeah its on my todo list ;-) |
| 17:52:41 | George- | KajUK: I suppose you were trying to use 5volt cards in, and CF only gives 3.3V |
| 17:52:42 | kergoth`coding | hunger: opie.handhelds.org wiki.. the SourceCode page |
| 17:52:51 | VerxIdle | Mickey0: I am prototyping/designing on windows, then I cross compile on Linux |
| 17:52:53 | hunger | kergoth`coding: Your todo list is way to long. Do something about that:-) |
| 17:52:56 | KajUK | I beg you pardon for reposting here what I sent into web forum on zauruszone |
| 17:52:58 | kergoth`coding | hunger: yeah yeah yeah :-) |
| 17:53:01 | whardier | had the weirdest goddamn dream in the world |
| 17:53:09 | KajUK | I've just bought CF-to-PCMCIA adapter and have problems with PCMCIA cards I have. Cards in question are Orinoco silver WiFI, Sitecom WiFi(both prism2) and Nokia Card 2.0(GSM). |
| 17:53:09 | KajUK | The problem is that those cards are recognized by Zaurus but kernel says something about Vcc mismatch. I'm pretty sure that those cards are 3.3v capable cards as they are working fine in Toshiba e570. |
| 17:53:09 | KajUK | Actually yesterday Sitecom card once worked (kernel reported that card is 5V) and I was able to connect to my PC, but today any of those cards refuse to work |
| 17:53:20 | KajUK | I now kinda know how to make Sitecom and Nokia cards work. If I plug Buffalo CF WiFi card before using PCMCIA cards than they start to work (excep Orinoco card) though kernel still reports that cards are 5V Vcc. Strange. Anyway it's bad that I need plug and unplug CF card before using PCMCIA card. |
| 17:53:27 | kergoth`coding | whardier: were you an old piece of cheese? |
| 17:53:30 | Mickey0 | VerxIdle:aha... hmm... which version of VS are u using? |
| 17:53:52 | whardier | kergoth`coding I guess I should not go into it.. but there was no cheese |
| 17:54:00 | kergoth`coding | whardier: ah. gotcha. |
| 17:54:10 | kergoth`coding | whardier: cause you have to admit, being an old piece of cheese would be werid. |
| 17:54:13 | kergoth`coding | s/werid/weird/ |
| 17:54:22 | VerxHome | Mickey0: vs6 with sp5 |
| 17:54:27 | whardier | I use to have a reoccuring dream that I was stuck in a bottle of ketchup |
| 17:54:27 | kergoth`coding | Eterm rocks. |
| 17:54:34 | kergoth`coding | whardier: dont ya hate that? |
| 17:54:42 | whardier | drowned in tomato |
| 17:54:46 | whardier | well |
| 17:54:50 | whardier | the death was unconfirmed |
| 17:54:59 | Mickey0 | VerxHome: ok... i remember (some years) ago, when you click on the error message, vs gives you a brief explanation!? |
| 17:55:14 | whardier | anybody ever have a dream where they were actually killed (violently) I did not wake up? |
| 17:55:18 | whardier | err |
| 17:55:26 | whardier | I mean.. did not wake from the dream before they were killed |
| 17:55:35 | kergoth`coding | whardier: nope. but I never get killed. i've never had a nightmare. |
| 17:55:36 | kergoth`coding | heh |
| 17:55:39 | George- | can you make a QRegExp case-insensitive? |
| 17:55:41 | treke|ho1e | always wakes up |
| 17:55:51 | whardier | kergoth`coding we should meet... |
| 17:55:55 | whardier | you might have nightmares |
| 17:55:59 | kergoth`coding | hah |
| 17:56:21 | whardier | QUIT LEAKING! |
| 17:56:28 | kergoth`coding | I'M NOT! |
| 17:56:34 | whardier | suuuuuuuure |
| 17:56:46 | kergoth`coding | checks |
| 17:56:50 | kergoth`coding | nope, definately not |
| 17:57:02 | whardier | I hope nobody was around when you checked |
| 17:57:10 | kergoth`coding | aha |
| 17:57:13 | VerxHome | Mickey0: That helped, thanks |
| 17:57:13 | kergoth`coding | okay back to coding |
| 17:57:22 | whardier | okay back to encoding |
| 17:57:25 | angrybsd | KajUK: where'd you get a pcmcia <-> CF thingy |
| 17:57:44 | ljp- | whardier: breathe in through your nose.. slowly |
| 17:57:57 | whardier | I can |
| 17:57:59 | whardier | thru one nostril |
| 17:58:04 | whardier | damnit.. why is it so hot in my house? |
| 17:58:14 | whardier | punches the thermostat |
| 17:58:20 | Mickey0 | thinks it might be the summer outside |
| 17:58:42 | whardier | dude |
| 17:58:46 | whardier | full motion estimation |
| 17:58:50 | whardier | just makes everything soo much smoother |
| 17:58:52 | whardier | and larger |
| 17:58:55 | KajUK | angrybsd: www.semsons.com |
| 17:59:22 | VerxIdle | 'QPopupMenu' : class has no constructors |
| 17:59:29 | VerxHome | what would cause it to say that? |
| 17:59:40 | VerxHome | I could have sworn QPopupMenu had constructors. . . |
| 18:00:23 | KajUK | There is power extender at their site as well |
| 18:01:31 | VerxHome | got it |
| 18:01:33 | whardier | 10502Kbps vs 1200Kbps is almost unoticable.. except for the fact that it looks a billion times better when you do primary colors |
| 18:01:34 | VerxHome | frigging includes |
| 18:01:34 | VerxHome | :) |
| 18:02:22 | treke|ho1e | whetever happend to just #include <qt.h> :) |
| 18:02:31 | VerxHome | heh |
| 18:02:35 | VerxHome | none of the examples do that |
| 18:02:36 | VerxHome | :) |
| 18:02:54 | ljp- | treke: uhhh.. thats windows.h |
| 18:03:10 | ToyKeeper | Where'd the X11 for zaurus stuff go? I'm not having luck finding it... |
| 18:03:11 | kergoth`coding | prpplague, hunger: fyi I finally got all the changes to OZ for 2.9.4 committed into cvs, including the missing spectrum.conf for pcmcia-cs |
| 18:03:27 | treke|ho1e | well there also is a qt.h :) |
| 18:03:34 | kergoth`coding | ToyKeeper: zaurus sf project, and opensource.lineo.com .. prpplague and mdz_ are working on that stuff |
| 18:03:55 | George- | ToyKeeper: www.sourceforge.net/projects/zaurus |
| 18:04:20 | ToyKeeper | Oh, duh. :) |
| 18:04:28 | ToyKeeper | I only tried opie and openzaurus. |
| 18:04:52 | whardier | silly mortal |
| 18:04:59 | kergoth`coding | ToyKeeper: X isnt in openzaurus's buildsystem yet. prpplague is working on that |
| 18:07:38 | whardier | wow |
| 18:07:45 | whardier | the MCP's ship looks like suck in the DVD |
| 18:08:13 | ][N-Flux | is away: screaming... |
| 18:09:42 | ToyKeeper | Eh, has anyone had any success using a mostly familiar-unstable-based setup on the Z? Using those versions of X11, ipkg, and such... ? |
| 18:09:56 | ToyKeeper | Or am I just asking for punishment if I try that? |
| 18:10:37 | kergoth`coding | ToyKeeper: umm OZ uses ipkg from cvs |
| 18:10:54 | kergoth`coding | ToyKeeper: there's no need. OZ is debian based just as familiar is. the differences are slim to none. |
| 18:11:18 | ToyKeeper | Okay. So, the X11 packages from fam-unstable might work on the Z? |
| 18:11:18 | kergoth`coding | ToyKeeper: excepting hardware differences of course, which you'd run into trying to use their X.. touchscreen interface is different. |
| 18:11:27 | ToyKeeper | Ah, okay. |
| 18:12:01 | kergoth`coding | ToyKeeper: fastolfe at lineo did a daemon that translated the Z touchscreen events into ipaq touchscreen events.. i bleieve prpplague and mdz had to reimplement it since the code was lost.. but thats how its going to work. |
| 18:12:04 | ToyKeeper | It's just difficult to mix different package sources which have different dependency trees. |
| 18:12:11 | kergoth`coding | not really |
| 18:12:14 | kergoth`coding | the package naming is the same. |
| 18:12:37 | kergoth`coding | i.e. familiar package depends on libc6.. it'll go in clean, because OZ's libc is also called libc6 |
| 18:12:47 | ToyKeeper | Then I'll have lots of fun trying stuff today. :) |
| 18:13:08 | kergoth`coding | the only thing that breaks is familiar postinst scripts, which tend to use the debian /usr/lib/menu stuff, which OZ doesnt have atm.. but compatibility is important |
| 18:13:37 | kergoth`coding | ToyKeeper: and I'm working to improve project coordination between familiar and OZ.. i will be assisting nick on their autobuild system once he makes the code available. |
| 18:14:17 | ljp- | kergoth`coding: fastolfe's code is not really lost.. its sitting on a harddrive in a packing box in France till Fastolfe gets in gear ... |
| 18:14:27 | VerxIdle | Linking... |
| 18:14:27 | VerxIdle | dragonsheetwindow.obj : error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol "protected: virtual void __thiscall DragonSheetWindow::initMetaObject(void)" (?initMetaObject@DragonSheetWindow@@MAEXXZ) |
| 18:14:41 | VerxHome | that is all but meaningless to me |
| 18:14:54 | ljp- | did you run moc? |
| 18:14:55 | whardier | hmm |
| 18:14:58 | VerxHome | anyone here speak whatever language that is? |
| 18:15:02 | VerxHome | ljp-: oh, new .h |
| 18:15:04 | whardier | half the credits for tron are in kanji |
| 18:15:04 | VerxHome | slaps head |
| 18:15:25 | VerxHome | thanks ljp |
| 18:15:31 | VerxHome | has to remember that |
| 18:15:34 | VerxHome | new .h, now moc |
| 18:15:52 | VerxHome | has a menu!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 18:15:56 | VerxHome | oh the JOY! |
| 18:16:01 | whardier | greetings programs! |
| 18:16:05 | VerxHome | a file menu with a single option to quit |
| 18:16:28 | whardier | BOW WOW WOW YIPPIE YO YIPPIE YAY |
| 18:16:34 | whardier | wheres my dusting rag at |
| 18:16:47 | George- | whardier: hmm? |
| 18:16:52 | George- | whardier: Turned into a dog? |
| 18:16:57 | George- | chucks a bone at whardier |
| 18:17:16 | George- | VerxHome: cool! :) |
| 18:17:26 | kergoth`coding | smacks george. damn musical ingorance |
| 18:17:27 | kergoth`coding | :-P |
| 18:17:38 | ToyKeeper | Uh, does the Z use /etc/hosts at all? Do I need to create a nsswitch.conf to make it use /etc/hosts? |
| 18:17:38 | George- | kergoth`coding: Stop SMACKING me! :) |
| 18:17:58 | kergoth`coding | ToyKeeper: err it should |
| 18:17:58 | George- | smacks kergoth`coding. damn slappers these days... |
| 18:18:27 | | ACTION shoots george in the head. |
| 18:18:27 | kergoth`coding | ibot shoot george |
| 18:18:36 | | George-: i'm not following you... |
| 18:18:36 | George- | ibot kiss kergoth`coding's ass |
| 18:18:41 | George- | damn you ibot |
| 18:18:46 | | George-: sorry... |
| 18:18:46 | George- | ibot shoot yourself |
| 18:18:59 | | ACTION shoots kergoth in the head. |
| 18:18:59 | George- | ibot shoot kergoth |
| 18:19:02 | George- | phew |
| 18:19:04 | kergoth`coding | hehe |
| 18:19:16 | George- | I hate ibot =P |
| 18:19:22 | George- | I prefer bloooooooooooootbot |
| 18:19:25 | | George-: what? |
| 18:19:25 | George- | ibot lart kergoth`coding |
| 18:19:32 | George- | HUH? No LART??! |
| 18:19:39 | | kergoth`coding is nothing but a churlish ass-full of motley-mind snake snot. |
| 18:19:39 | George- | ibot insult kergoth`coding |
| 18:19:45 | George- | goood |
| 18:19:50 | kergoth`coding | a whole ass-full huh? |
| 18:19:51 | kergoth`coding | damn |
| 18:19:52 | kergoth`coding | hehe |
| 18:20:02 | George- | lol |
| 18:20:06 | George- | </playing with bot> |
| 18:20:15 | whardier | LEAKING |
| 18:20:15 | whardier | AUGH |
| 18:20:17 | whardier | dies |
| 18:20:49 | ToyKeeper | Pissing like a light saber? |
| 18:21:04 | ljp- | whardier: I'm not kidding about the tampon |
| 18:21:11 | whardier | ljp- I am sure you weren't |
| 18:21:31 | whardier | I just don't feel like plugging my nose with something that should be plugging elsewhere |
| 18:21:41 | George- | lol |
| 18:21:44 | whardier | How does God benifit from me shoving a tampon up my nose? |
| 18:21:52 | George- | whardier: go stick yer head down a toilet then =P |
| 18:22:28 | George- | hi nadav |
| 18:22:39 | whardier | ToyKeeper: the blue glowsticks are green.. |
| 18:22:41 | nadav | hey george |
| 18:23:06 | nadav | brrr |
| 18:23:07 | nadav | cold |
| 18:23:35 | whardier | I have one very cat hair infested house |
| 18:23:48 | whardier | and absolutely no will to clean it |
| 18:23:48 | ljp- | whardier: you could cauterize it |
| 18:23:53 | br33zy | does anybody know where i could get the 'zaurus' font? |
| 18:23:53 | whardier | my nose! |
| 18:23:56 | whardier | I need my nose! |
| 18:24:02 | whardier | and all of its functionality |
| 18:24:18 | | br33zy: excuse me? |
| 18:24:18 | br33zy | ibot take step on whardier's nose |
| 18:24:24 | | br33zy: i'm not following you... |
| 18:24:24 | br33zy | ibot step on whardier's nose |
| 18:24:28 | | br33zy: huh? |
| 18:24:28 | br33zy | ibot say step on whardier's nose |
| 18:24:33 | whardier | lkjasdfl;kasjdf! |
| 18:24:38 | | whardier's_nose is nothing but a fly-bitten gob of flap-mouthed cat hair. |
| 18:24:38 | br33zy | ibot insult whardier's_nose |
| 18:24:47 | | whardier'snose is nothing but a culturally-unsound mass of lewd-minded cold sores. |
| 18:24:47 | br33zy | ibot insult whardier'snose |
| 18:24:47 | ljp- | cauterizing it will stop it from bleeding very fast |
| 18:24:52 | | whardier's nose is nothing but a despicable bag of common-kissing waffle-house grits. |
| 18:24:52 | br33zy | ibot insult whardier's nose |
| 18:24:56 | | whardier's nose is nothing but a crook-pated petrification of vain poopy. |
| 18:24:56 | br33zy | ibot insult whardier's nose |
| 18:24:59 | | whardier's nose is nothing but a flap-mouthed coagulation of halfbaked cat bladders. |
| 18:24:59 | br33zy | ibot insult whardier's nose |
| 18:25:02 | | whardier's nose is nothing but a crook-pated assload of rump-fed guano. |
| 18:25:02 | br33zy | ibot insult whardier's nose |
| 18:25:03 | | whardier's nose is nothing but an evil bag of tofu-nibbling chicken piss. |
| 18:25:03 | br33zy | ibot insult whardier's nose |
| 18:25:06 | ljp- | STOP |
| 18:25:06 | whardier | well now |
| 18:25:07 | br33zy | muhaaa |
| 18:25:10 | ToyKeeper | Ooooh no.. don't make me pull out my insult generator... :) |
| 18:25:15 | whardier | please |
| 18:25:16 | whardier | no |
| 18:25:21 | whardier | we won't get a damn thing done |
| 18:25:35 | VerxHome | ok |
| 18:25:40 | whardier | no ok |
| 18:25:42 | VerxHome | things are going (seemingly) very well |
| 18:25:57 | ToyKeeper | Spent a decade on the leading edge of drug experimentation, didn't you? |
| 18:26:03 | VerxHome | I have added a QWidget to my QMainWindow, and it isn't visible |
| 18:26:09 | ToyKeeper | You're a knob shiner! |
| 18:26:13 | VerxHome | are there specific steps I need to take to cause that to happen? |
| 18:26:31 | ToyKeeper | Eh, maybe I'll stop that. |
| 18:26:35 | George- | How the hell do I get QRegExp to process <*> |
| 18:26:43 | George- | ie - anything encapsulated between < and > |
| 18:27:27 | ToyKeeper | /\<([^>]*)\>/ ? |
| 18:27:49 | ToyKeeper | kinda looks like a fish. |
| 18:28:43 | | ToyKeeper is nothing but a droning ass-full of saucyspleened chicken piss. |
| 18:28:43 | angrybsd | ibot, insult ToyKeeper |
| 18:28:49 | angrybsd | lol |
| 18:29:47 | whardier | my nose hurts |
| 18:30:17 | whardier | I wish my favorite video store was.. downstairs |
| 18:30:25 | angrybsd | sugar make whardier a coke |
| 18:30:25 | Sugar | grabs a bottle of coke, pours it into a glass, which she hands whardier. |
| 18:30:37 | angrybsd | my favorite video store is "Direct Connect" |
| 18:30:46 | whardier | we have one called "Villiage Vidiot" |
| 18:30:49 | whardier | its a great place |
| 18:31:06 | whardier | I usually have like 90% of all questions I annoyingly ask there, answered |
| 18:31:10 | prpplague | kergoth`coding: you know the only good think about dealing with this digi stuff today? its that i'm at home and i can drink beer to cope with it,lol |
| 18:31:27 | whardier | do you work for digi? |
| 18:31:44 | ToyKeeper | Oh, that feels better.. |
| 18:31:52 | ToyKeeper | lost about 10 psi in the bathroom. |
| 18:31:54 | whardier | so like.. I can secretly con you into pouring shit down kergoths back whenever he is being a doof? |
| 18:32:07 | whardier | 10 psi eh |
| 18:32:14 | whardier | gross |
| 18:32:33 | whardier | what was the flow volume? |
| 18:33:40 | prpplague | whardier: no, but we use a lot of digi under SCO, we just started migrating our boxes to linux |
| 18:33:50 | whardier | spiff |
| 18:34:06 | prpplague | whardier: i'm currently working on a installation in honduras |
| 18:34:27 | whardier | search for * under realm "everything" |
| 18:34:36 | whardier | under giFT |
| 18:34:36 | whardier | heh |
| 18:34:37 | ToyKeeper | Fun. "ipkg install zlib1g" returns "ERROR: The following packages conflict with zlib1g: zlib1g" |
| 18:34:40 | whardier | it never stops |
| 18:35:17 | kergoth`coding | ToyKeeper: lol |
| 18:35:30 | kergoth`coding | ToyKeeper: I heard that bug report on #handhelds.org, i think its a bug in ipkg. |
| 18:35:38 | whardier | err |
| 18:35:41 | whardier | for only that package |
| 18:35:41 | whardier | that makes sense |
| 18:35:49 | whardier | must bebecause its starts with a Z |
| 18:35:51 | ToyKeeper | Yes, it is. It doesn't like multiple packages available with the same name. |
| 18:36:04 | whardier | so no versioning? |
| 18:36:35 | ToyKeeper | It does, but not when the same package has different versions from different feeds. |
| 18:36:48 | whardier | aahhh |
| 18:36:49 | ToyKeeper | It expects the versioning to be handled by whatever builds the Packages file. |
| 18:37:00 | whardier | so it needs to build a list like dpkg does |
| 18:37:02 | whardier | so it knows what to get jiggy with |
| 18:38:33 | ToyKeeper | Grr.. that's annoying. zlib is installed, but sshd can't use it. |
| 18:38:40 | whardier | I am gonna be happy when the programs are the programmers |
| 18:38:48 | treke|ho1e | wtf. the entire object is being deleted and recreated and its still broken |
| 18:40:00 | whardier | this madonna video makes no sense |
| 18:40:01 | angrybsd | why do wireless networks not have the capability of using stronger encryption |
| 18:40:11 | angrybsd | why don't they change the standard while there's still almost time ;) |
| 18:40:28 | whardier | any network can increse its security |
| 18:40:41 | whardier | the encryptiong is in the cards and not part of the standard |
| 18:40:45 | whardier | it was just a hack |
| 18:40:47 | whardier | a bad one |
| 18:41:04 | angrybsd | oh, why dont they set standard encryption strengths and stuff then? |
| 18:41:09 | ToyKeeper | kergoth`coding: For some odd reason, the current OZ can't respond to scp requests until after ldconfig has been run. |
| 18:41:26 | whardier | angrybsd who? the corperate entities that want to use encryption |
| 18:41:36 | whardier | I wonder how much shit they have to go thru to justify that to the NSA |
| 18:41:53 | angrybsd | whardier: good point |
| 18:42:18 | kergoth`coding | ToyKeeper: hmm.. ssh depends on zlib. |
| 18:42:23 | angrybsd | whardier: is the encryption usually done by the hardware or software |
| 18:42:24 | whardier | I should rent perfect Blue again |
| 18:42:27 | kergoth`coding | ToyKeeper: but iirc, zlib should run ldconfig in its postinst. |
| 18:42:38 | whardier | angrybsd by default done by the hardware |
| 18:42:40 | kergoth`coding | ToyKeeper: could you check that for me? /usr/lib/ipkg/info/zlib*postinst |
| 18:42:52 | ToyKeeper | This was straight from the initrd on sourceforge. |
| 18:42:53 | whardier | there are ways to make it a hell of a lot stronger.. and ever faster |
| 18:42:55 | whardier | using things like ipsec |
| 18:43:02 | angrybsd | whardier: well, we can always just use SSH all the time ;) |
| 18:43:05 | whardier | or for faster using vtun with encryption + compression |
| 18:43:16 | whardier | yeah.. ssh is slow |
| 18:43:16 | whardier | way slow |
| 18:43:23 | kergoth`coding | ToyKeeper: and? |
| 18:43:26 | kergoth`coding | ToyKeeper: err |
| 18:43:28 | ToyKeeper | Yes, zlib's postinst does run ldconfig. |
| 18:43:36 | angrybsd | whardier: well because its doing all the encryption and schtuff |
| 18:43:38 | kergoth`coding | ToyKeeper: did you use zImage-32 or zImage-64? |
| 18:43:49 | ToyKeeper | zImage-64 |
| 18:43:54 | kergoth`coding | ToyKeeper: bingo. known bug |
| 18:44:09 | kergoth`coding | ToyKeeper: /etc/init.d/freset is supposed to run all the postinsts the first time you boot |
| 18:44:09 | ToyKeeper | I checked the symlinks before and after, and ldconfig didn't appear to change anything. Weird. |
| 18:44:13 | kergoth`coding | it wont |
| 18:44:19 | ToyKeeper | Ah, okay. |
| 18:44:25 | kergoth`coding | but it updates the ld cache in /etc |
| 18:44:29 | kergoth`coding | ld.so.cache |
| 18:44:37 | ToyKeeper | :) |
| 18:45:09 | kergoth`coding | ToyKeeper: roge99 already sent me a fix for the freset bug, i'll put a new ipk up on the feed today.. just install it, then full reset the unit. i'll let you know when its available. |
| 18:45:36 | kergoth`coding | ToyKeeper: otherwise.. for i in /usr/lib/ipkg/info/*postinst; do sh $i configure; done; :-) |
| 18:45:41 | ToyKeeper | Nah, I don't really need it.. just trying to mention anything unusual I find. |
| 18:45:46 | kergoth`coding | run that though |
| 18:45:50 | angry | hua hua hua its open |
| 18:45:57 | kergoth`coding | otherwise startup scripts dont get linked into the runlevel dirs |
| 18:46:04 | kergoth`coding | heh |
| 18:46:29 | whardier | just transcoded an mpeg1 to divx |
| 18:46:29 | whardier | heh |
| 18:46:33 | whardier | its a hell of a lot smaller |
| 18:46:58 | kergoth`coding | ToyKeeper: trust me, you want to run the postinsts.. :-) |
| 18:47:00 | angry | this name is much more elite |
| 18:47:01 | angry | :) |
| 18:47:07 | kergoth`coding | angry: register it with nickserv? |
| 18:47:12 | angry | kergoth`coding: just did |
| 18:47:21 | whardier | angry tired of having a BSD name in a room full of linux PDA users? |
| 18:47:47 | angry | whardier: tired of having BSD in my name when i havent used it for about 2 months ;) |
| 18:48:04 | angry | see now i can change my nick to |
| 18:48:11 | angryZ | this is angry zaurus now |
| 18:48:12 | angryZ | hehe |
| 18:48:19 | ToyKeeper | Heh, lots of misc errors. Several of these: update-alternatives: unknown argument `--display' |
| 18:48:34 | angry | but for now, plain old angry |
| 18:48:44 | prpplague | well, if anyone cares, i now have fltk running on my zaurus with tinyx |
| 18:49:03 | whardier | runs away from TvLAND |
| 18:49:07 | ToyKeeper | prpplague: I'll be trying to get X11 working later today, I think. :) |
| 18:49:14 | whardier | time to watch the chick channel |
| 18:49:20 | kergoth`coding | ToyKeeper: do me a favor. ( for i in /usr/lib/ipkg/info/*postinst; do sh $i configure; done; ) 2>&1 | tee postinst.log; .. email it to me |
| 18:49:34 | whardier | they keep showing hitchcock films |
| 18:49:37 | prpplague | ToyKeeper: unless you really really want educate yourself, you might want to hold off a day or two |
| 18:49:49 | ToyKeeper | kergoth`coding: address? |
| 18:49:57 | kergoth`coding | ToyKeeper: kergoth@digitalnemesis.net |
| 18:50:04 | ToyKeeper | :) |
| 18:50:09 | kergoth`coding | ToyKeeper: scripts that depend on things busybox functions dont have... |
| 18:50:15 | kergoth`coding | ToyKeeper: thought i caught most of those |
| 18:50:15 | kergoth`coding | hehe |
| 18:51:12 | whardier | needs a better encoding of blade runner |
| 18:51:15 | whardier | or to go buy it |
| 18:51:16 | ToyKeeper | prpplague: what's changing in the next day or two? |
| 18:51:33 | ToyKeeper | whardier: I could probably encode that for you. |
| 18:51:39 | daralc | hey |
| 18:51:46 | prpplague | ToyKeeper: i should have my documents and reference files posted |
| 18:51:48 | whardier | shop at home TV.. woot.. I hate shopping networks |
| 18:51:49 | daralc | i SO can use my existing verizon contract |
| 18:52:10 | whardier | cool |
| 18:52:17 | daralc | cause |
| 18:52:20 | daralc | on the site |
| 18:52:24 | kergoth`coding | prpplague: when you've got it stable, give me the .mk files and I'll create a initrd.bin with X preinstalled. |
| 18:52:27 | daralc | it says that the service is even billed through verizon |
| 18:52:28 | kergoth`coding | prpplague: :-) |
| 18:53:37 | prpplague | kergoth`coding: ya, i'm still working cleaning everything up |
| 18:53:37 | smbj | back |
| 18:54:01 | kergoth`coding | prpplague: cool |
| 18:54:24 | prpplague | kergoth`coding: do you want to just include x or would you want to include matchbox wm as well? |
| 18:54:44 | angry | is there an NES emu for the Z? |
| 18:54:46 | kergoth`coding | prpplague: a WM would be good, i'll leave it to you what wm. |
| 18:54:57 | daralc | will ZSNES work on it? |
| 18:55:12 | VerxHome | buries his head in shame |
| 18:55:17 | whardier | I look like shit |
| 18:55:33 | kergoth`coding | VerxHome: ? |
| 18:55:36 | prpplague | daralc: IIRC, the sharp site had one a port, but the dirs would need to be changed |
| 18:55:43 | daralc | yea |
| 18:55:53 | daralc | i might get a sandisk for storage |
| 18:56:00 | whardier | I have a dual 933mhz machine |
| 18:56:01 | daralc | because i want to use CF for the wireless modem |
| 18:56:06 | whardier | it cannot play DVD's fast enough |
| 18:56:11 | whardier | I think my DVD drive is the issue |
| 18:56:36 | angry | i got CF storage but i will be getting SD soon too, then i will get wireless |
| 18:56:45 | prpplague | whardier: did you check your hdparms ? |
| 18:56:45 | kergoth`coding | hm, whats a good dvd player app for linux? |
| 18:56:47 | kergoth`coding | googles |
| 18:56:51 | prpplague | ogle |
| 18:57:06 | whardier | mplayer |
| 18:57:07 | whardier | heh |
| 18:57:07 | whardier | vlc |
| 18:57:16 | daralc | ogle |
| 18:57:23 | angry | damnit why doesnt anybody make an NES emu for the Z |
| 18:58:33 | ToyKeeper | Is there a good linux-based nes emu? |
| 18:58:42 | ToyKeeper | I haven't seen one... haven't looked for a while, though. |
| 18:59:02 | ToyKeeper | Last time I looked, none of them provided both sound and working video. |
| 18:59:11 | darienm|away | angry: NES and not SNES ? |
| 18:59:48 | prpplague | whardier: http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2000/06/29/hdparm.html |
| 19:00:59 | daralc | do i need a SanDisk CF or San Disk Smart media? |
| 19:01:18 | ToyKeeper | The Z doesn't use "smart media". |
| 19:01:21 | angry | darienm: correct |
| 19:01:27 | ToyKeeper | It uses CF and MMC though. |
| 19:01:37 | daralc | MMC? |
| 19:01:38 | angry | or secure digital?/ |
| 19:01:43 | daralc | i mean the slot on the side |
| 19:01:54 | nadav | SD and MMC are compatibly |
| 19:02:01 | ToyKeeper | It's a SD/MMC slot. MMC support in linux is better than SD support. |
| 19:02:08 | nadav | uh, compatible |
| 19:02:14 | angry | but sd = faster? |
| 19:02:32 | nadav | it's supposed to be |
| 19:02:44 | ToyKeeper | I'm still trying to figure out how to make an MMC card remount properly on resume. |
| 19:02:48 | daralc | so you woulds ay go with MMC? |
| 19:02:53 | daralc | or go with SD? |
| 19:03:12 | George- | daralc: MMC is cheaper (a LOT cheaper) not *that* much slower, and avail in capacities up to 64MB |
| 19:03:23 | George- | daralc: SD is damn expensive, and avail up to 512MB |
| 19:03:32 | angry | SD isnt too expensive |
| 19:03:47 | angry | you could have ( missed the deal by now ) gotten 128MB for like $47 |
| 19:04:18 | | rw2 was last seen on #zaurus 2 hours, 53 minutes and 41 seconds ago, saying: cranch: Ok, muds have better support for such stuff. Wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something here. [Sun Jul 28 17:10:37 2002] |
| 19:04:18 | darienm | ibot seen rw2 |
| 19:04:27 | | CloudChaser was last seen on #zaurus 3 hours, 5 minutes and 7 seconds ago, saying: sounds ghastly [Sun Jul 28 16:59:20 2002] |
| 19:04:27 | darienm | ibot seen CloudChaser |
| 19:04:35 | whardier | my cat pussyfoots around |
| 19:05:02 | darienm | whardier: are your songs up for sharing? |
| 19:05:42 | daralc | pricewatch does't have SD |
| 19:05:43 | darienm | ah hah, treke is here to share good news about VNC ! |
| 19:05:51 | darienm | daralc: search for 'secure digital' |
| 19:06:04 | darienm | daralc: or sometimes 'flash memory' |
| 19:06:20 | angry | pricewatch doesnt always have the grab-now" |
| 19:06:23 | angry | type deals |
| 19:06:35 | angry | bensbargains.net has great prices on stuff occasionally |
| 19:06:46 | daralc | i want like a 512mb sd |
| 19:06:49 | treke|home | darienm: not much good news. You can right click now :) |
| 19:07:04 | darienm | treke: excellent, how are you passing it? |
| 19:07:12 | darienm | treke: from a user point of view, of course. |
| 19:07:22 | treke|home | click and hold. Doesnt seem to be causing much interference? |
| 19:07:46 | treke|home | er that wasnt a question |
| 19:08:02 | darienm | so it will basically be right-click-in-place versus ability to right-click-and-drag |
| 19:08:04 | daralc | what aobut IBM Microdrive? |
| 19:08:31 | nadav | http://store.powerbook1.com/powerbook1/compactflash.html |
| 19:08:39 | nadav | 128mb CF for $60 |
| 19:08:40 | treke|home | yeah not sure if right click and drag is going to work, but I havent seen a need to right click and drag yet |
| 19:08:51 | ToyKeeper | Grr... ipkg is being a bunghole. |
| 19:08:54 | nadav | ok, be back in a bit |
| 19:09:17 | whardier | bah.. just make sure you are using a downloader that is familiar with continuing downloads |
| 19:09:20 | angry | does anyone have any gameboy roms i can test the GB emu out with |
| 19:09:29 | ToyKeeper | I guess I'll find out what happens when I switch libc6... :) |
| 19:09:36 | daralc | http://commerce.www.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/CategoryDisplay?cntrfnbr=1&cgmenbr=1&cntry=840&lang=en_US&scrfnbr=73&cgrfnbr=2058967&x=9&y=5 |
| 19:09:54 | angry | esp. paperboy for gameboy :) |
| 19:09:59 | whardier | my cat is being a bung hole |
| 19:10:04 | kergoth`coding | ah fuck |
| 19:10:16 | kergoth`coding | mount just hung trying to mount my cf reader |
| 19:10:19 | kergoth`coding | fucking usb-storage driver |
| 19:10:29 | kergoth`coding | reboot time |
| 19:10:31 | kergoth`coding | bbiaf |
| 19:10:36 | whardier | I hate that |
| 19:10:44 | whardier | its leaky |
| 19:11:05 | whardier | my fake skin bandaid overflowed |
| 19:11:13 | whardier | tht sucks |
| 19:11:27 | ToyKeeper | Heh. You're oozing. |
| 19:11:34 | ToyKeeper | Bloop. |
| 19:11:37 | whardier | all over the damn place |
| 19:12:13 | whardier | the bandaid was not able to keep up with the puss production of my finger.. |
| 19:12:33 | whardier | this happened over night |
| 19:12:35 | whardier | sometime |
| 19:12:40 | whardier | it broke while I was sleaping |
| 19:12:45 | whardier | and my finger was all crusty when I woke up |
| 19:12:52 | VerxHome | digs in to find out why |
| 19:13:11 | angry | needs gameboy roms :( |
| 19:13:27 | whardier | my cat max is a good cat.. once he gets settled |
| 19:13:40 | ToyKeeper | He gets settled? |
| 19:13:41 | ToyKeeper | :) |
| 19:13:46 | whardier | up until he gets settled.. you have to be bitten a few times..s tepped on.. pulled on.. |
| 19:13:50 | tboc | angry: aren't that hard to find iirc |
| 19:14:04 | whardier | he is quite happy ATM |
| 19:14:09 | whardier | I just.. can't move for a few hours |
| 19:14:13 | whardier | time to rip Bloodlust |
| 19:14:31 | VerxHome | scratches head |
| 19:15:00 | prpplague | whardier: puss production digit? what did you do? |
| 19:15:01 | whardier | btw ToyKeeper .. when ripping.. do an import of VLC playing the video.. then crop and scale and use those numbers |
| 19:15:13 | whardier | VLC has always gotten the aspect ratio correct |
| 19:15:26 | whardier | then just do a crop detect and use those numbers and you are done |
| 19:15:54 | ToyKeeper | Eh, okay. It's always worked for me to just use mplayer for that. |
| 19:15:58 | darienm | angry: I have a source for gameboy roms |
| 19:16:00 | ToyKeeper | But then, your setup is funky. |
| 19:16:26 | darienm | angry: but you'll find gnuboy on the zaurus less than satisfying, methinks |
| 19:16:41 | whardier | my setup is not funky |
| 19:16:42 | whardier | yours is |
| 19:16:45 | whardier | see how that works |
| 19:16:52 | angry | darienm: can it play gameboy color roms? |
| 19:16:58 | tboc | darienm: i guess the 'trick' was to search for 'rom_z_' so all the w4r3z-sites show up ;) |
| 19:17:16 | darienm | angry: yes |
| 19:17:25 | darienm | angry: http://www.pocketroms.cjb.net/ |
| 19:17:34 | darienm | angry: say NO to the GATOR download !! |
| 19:17:42 | darienm | angry: its nasty ad-ware |
| 19:17:45 | tboc | btw. how fast is the gb-emu? something like the one on the palm? |
| 19:17:58 | whardier | ToyKeeper for most things mplayer does not get the aspect ratio right.. |
| 19:18:02 | whardier | for most anime it does |
| 19:18:03 | whardier | heh |
| 19:18:06 | whardier | thats all 2/1 |
| 19:18:09 | darienm | tboc: I'd say its half the speed of a regular gameboy, maybe 30% |
| 19:18:17 | tboc | darienm: oh :( |
| 19:18:31 | darienm | tboc: better at gameboy emu than gameboy color, of course. |
| 19:18:35 | tboc | darienm: and i thougt with a 200mhz cpu you could easily emulate a gb |
| 19:18:49 | darienm | tboc: games like Tony Hawk pro skater 2 just crawl.... |
| 19:19:03 | darienm | tboc: games like Mario Land are okay |
| 19:19:16 | tboc | :/ |
| 19:19:32 | ToyKeeper | Okay, ipkg is really being a bunghole. |
| 19:19:32 | rw2 | x |
| 19:19:36 | tboc | sounds like someone has to code some routines in asm and optimize a bit |
| 19:19:47 | angry | darienm: my QTopia Desktop just messed up syncing methinks |
| 19:19:51 | | ipkg is the Itsy Package Management System used by Familiar: http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/iPKG or find the source in the handhelds.org CVS http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/familiar/dist/ipkg/ |
| 19:19:51 | treke|home | ibot: ipkg? |
| 19:19:57 | rw2 | darienm: hey, I'm here, you were looking for me earlier? |
| 19:20:01 | darienm | rw2: Hey rich ! |
| 19:20:16 | darienm | rw2: learning the ropes of IRC I see.. |
| 19:20:25 | darienm | rw2: Paintball next Saturday a go? |
| 19:21:24 | tboc | btw. any volunteers to write a port of kwebget? ;) |
| 19:21:29 | rw2 | darienm: Nope. I forgot that we're going to D.C. |
| 19:21:35 | darienm | tboc: what's that do? |
| 19:21:42 | tboc | darienm: http://www.kpage.de/en/kwebget/content.html |
| 19:21:54 | tboc | darienm: it's a wget frontend |
| 19:22:19 | tboc | darienm: could be a replacement for wwwoffle |
| 19:22:19 | darienm | tboc: to be used mostly as a download helper or an offline browser? |
| 19:22:26 | darienm | eek? replace wwwoffle ?!?!? |
| 19:22:30 | darienm | blasphemy |
| 19:22:32 | tboc | ;) |
| 19:22:36 | darienm | have you heard of zope ? |
| 19:22:41 | tboc | erm, nope |
| 19:22:43 | tboc | url? |
| 19:22:45 | treke|home | wget and wwoffle are completly different apps :) |
| 19:22:57 | darienm | Sorry, Zepo |
| 19:23:08 | darienm | http://www.alterna.tv/zepo |
| 19:23:13 | tboc | thx |
| 19:23:28 | darienm | Someone build an offline browser for the Z, but apparently hasn't released it? (no download link) |
| 19:23:34 | tboc | treke|home: but i think the goal is the same |
| 19:24:12 | treke|home | tboc: not at all |
| 19:24:22 | tboc | hmm, as far as i can see zepo lacks a few features |
| 19:24:32 | tboc | treke|home: so whats the use of wwwoffle on a Z? |
| 19:24:48 | treke|home | kwebget is a gui for wget, that just handles transfering files off of ftp and http servers |
| 19:24:52 | darienm | wwwoffle on the Z is an offline browser, |
| 19:25:02 | darienm | but its really a caching proxy server |
| 19:25:07 | treke|home | wwwwoffle is a proxy that you can use for browsing offline |
| 19:25:16 | darienm | You point your web browser THRU it, and it keeps track of files you view |
| 19:25:25 | darienm | and in offline mode can go GET those sites, to X levels deep |
| 19:25:36 | [George-] | ok |
| 19:25:41 | [George-] | I'm confused |
| 19:25:45 | treke|home | now kwget would be pretty nifty, but for different reasons |
| 19:25:45 | tboc | you could do the same with kwebget |
| 19:25:47 | SirPsycho-home | heck.. i pointed my windows browser through it and surfed the pages on mydesktop i wanted to save on my Z =) |
| 19:26:05 | [George-] | How do I make a document-oriented app? |
| 19:26:05 | treke|home | tboc: does kwebget act like a http proxy server? |
| 19:26:15 | tboc | i just like the idea of chosing exactly which files i want to download |
| 19:26:31 | tboc | treke|home: nope, but i don't think it has to |
| 19:26:33 | treke|home | they are useful for different purposes |
| 19:26:51 | tboc | treke|home: ack =) |
| 19:26:53 | treke|home | tboc: so kwebget and performs wwwoffle's purpose :) |
| 19:26:53 | darienm | What game is this? http://handhelds.org/scap/toland.cgi?fn=port.29954.png |
| 19:27:15 | tboc | so anyone wants to port kwebget? =) |
| 19:27:33 | treke|home | darienm: Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis |
| 19:27:36 | tboc | darienm: cool, IJ and the fate of atlantis |
| 19:27:45 | darienm | Is it a fun game? |
| 19:27:49 | treke|home | sure |
| 19:27:51 | treke|home | lots of fun |
| 19:27:53 | darienm | Are roms available somewhere? |
| 19:27:59 | tboc | ack! |
| 19:28:02 | darienm | what platform was it for initially? |
| 19:28:05 | treke|home | roms? Its a pc game :) |
| 19:28:19 | darienm | doesn't know of any games except Counter-Strike |
| 19:28:20 | treke|home | www.lucasarts.com, you can buy it there |
| 19:28:41 | darienm | treke, thanks. |
| 19:28:44 | daralc | urban terror is a great game |
| 19:28:47 | darienm | I think my son would enjoy it. |
| 19:29:28 | treke|home | Should work fine in scummvm on mac.pc, and Linux |
| 19:29:41 | | VerxHome was last seen on #zaurus 15 minutes and 10 seconds ago, saying: scratches head [Sun Jul 28 20:14:31 2002] |
| 19:29:41 | darienm | ibot seen VerxHome |
| 19:29:43 | treke|home | or you can get it running in win98 or dos :) |
| 19:29:58 | darienm | VerxHome, your scaps are on handhelds.org like 8 times :) |
| 19:30:30 | VerxHome | hello dairenm |
| 19:30:34 | darienm | VerxHome, or maybe 3 times, but looks like 8 |
| 19:31:05 | VerxHome | heh |
| 19:31:39 | VerxHome | I had some problems getting scap to work |
| 19:32:09 | darienm | VerxHome: I told you I'd make captures for you :) |
| 19:32:20 | darienm | VerxHome: but it seems you got it anyhow. |
| 19:32:34 | | darienm: what? |
| 19:32:34 | darienm | ibot seen erikd |
| 19:32:37 | VerxHome | well it took me nearly a whole day |
| 19:32:40 | | erikd was last seen on #zaurus 14 hours, 1 minutes and 33 seconds ago, saying: g'night guys [Sun Jul 28 06:31:07 2002] |
| 19:32:40 | darienm | ibot seen erikd |
| 19:32:42 | VerxHome | but I have a menu now |
| 19:32:43 | VerxHome | :) |
| 19:32:44 | [George-] | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.29954.png <--- Looks nice |
| 19:33:11 | darienm | You can fit a lot of image data in 320x240 if you do it right. |
| 19:33:21 | daralc | what game is that? |
| 19:33:28 | darienm | heh, scroll up |
| 19:33:40 | darienm | Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis |
| 19:33:46 | daralc | gay |
| 19:33:49 | daralc | i want counterstrike on it |
| 19:33:58 | treke|home | gay? Thats a classic |
| 19:34:08 | [George-] | daralc: get strategic assault =P |
| 19:34:13 | treke|home | smacks darienm |
| 19:34:23 | darienm | oh no, here's where I turn my attention to my alcohol. |
| 19:34:24 | treke|home | smacks daralc instead |
| 19:34:41 | darienm | gets up off the floor and wonders why he got smacked. |
| 19:34:48 | ToyKeeper | Eh, a couple questions... in the x11zaurus package, why does it store things in /usr/local ? What's the Xredir stuff for? Why are the libraries linked from /opt/QtPalmtop ? |
| 19:34:56 | darienm | damn autocomplete :) |
| 19:35:03 | treke|home | you got smacked because my irc clients tab completion sucks |
| 19:35:06 | darienm | always smacking me |
| 19:35:15 | [George-] | smacks treke|home |
| 19:35:32 | darienm | ToyKeeper: That's a lot of questions |
| 19:35:56 | darienm | Most of the answers are probably along the lines of "because that's how someone set it up" |
| 19:35:57 | ToyKeeper | It just looks like the package is... confused. |
| 19:35:57 | VerxHome | is scummvm better in x that qpe? |
| 19:36:03 | darienm | But others can feel free to step in and correct me. |
| 19:36:19 | VerxHome | er, than |
| 19:36:36 | treke|home | darienm: other than input it should be about equal |
| 19:36:45 | ToyKeeper | I'm curious because it deviates a lot from the filesystem hierarchy standard... |
| 19:36:46 | darienm | I didn't ask a question |
| 19:36:57 | treke|home | gah |
| 19:37:02 | darienm | treke: maybe instead of a VNC client you should build a better IRC client. |
| 19:37:06 | treke|home | VerxHome: other than input, they arebout the same :) |
| 19:37:15 | treke|home | darienm: haha |
| 19:37:23 | darienm | treke: but finish the VNC first |
| 19:37:28 | darienm | rw2: still here? |
| 19:37:38 | VerxHome | treke: Cool |
| 19:37:42 | VerxHome | does it have sound? |
| 19:37:51 | ToyKeeper | But I suppose I should ask the maintainer. |
| 19:37:57 | treke|home | VerxHome: should. I dont remember though |
| 19:38:03 | VerxHome | heh |
| 19:38:10 | VerxHome | how big are the games? |
| 19:38:21 | VerxHome | I mean, I know they are old, some of them came on floppy |
| 19:38:27 | VerxHome | but some are probably large |
| 19:38:42 | treke|home | varies quite a bit. some were small floppy games and some filled a cd |
| 19:39:02 | VerxHome | well, an entire CD surely won't fit on my MMC card |
| 19:39:02 | VerxHome | rofl |
| 19:39:03 | angry | lol zraycast is hillarious |
| 19:39:12 | darienm | pre-CD games, methinks |
| 19:39:16 | treke|home | VerxHome: You could reencode the audio to mp3 which helps |
| 19:39:17 | darienm | judging by the graphics :) |
| 19:39:33 | darienm | angry: you think? really? I got bored. |
| 19:40:19 | angry | darienm: i got very bored :) |
| 19:40:20 | Titan818 | anyone: is there a Z buzzer demo somewhere |
| 19:40:22 | treke|home | darienm: not all of them :) the scumm language was used for a lot of their stuff |
| 19:40:37 | darienm | Titan818: yes, as part of a kismet add-on |
| 19:40:46 | VerxHome | Titan818: So far as I know, the Z buzzer is a one noise wonder |
| 19:41:07 | darienm | Titan818: http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=159 |
| 19:41:32 | Titan818 | thanks |
| 19:42:03 | kergoth | re |
| 19:42:16 | rw2 | darienm: I'm here |
| 19:42:22 | hunger | kergoth: Found a couple of probelms with my crosscompiler toolchain today. Looks to work now (except for the kernel and ncurses (the C++ stuff in there)). |
| 19:42:53 | kergoth | hunger: ah, k.. cool. want to email em over? |
| 19:43:03 | hunger | kergoth: Sure. |
| 19:43:38 | hunger | kergoth: I'm trying to build a initrd for me using libc 2.2.5. I think I blotched the compatibility stuff for 2.2.4 which is on my Z. |
| 19:43:40 | | mdz was last seen on #zaurus 2 days, 3 hours, 28 minutes and 52 seconds ago, saying: angrybsd: what George- said. you can get an adapter to go one way or the other, but I don't remember which [Fri Jul 26 17:14:48 2002] |
| 19:43:40 | prpplague | ibot: seen mdz or mdz_ |
| 19:43:48 | | mdz_ was last seen on #zaurus 18 hours, 23 minutes and 28 seconds ago, saying: prpplague: what's wrong? [Sun Jul 28 02:20:20 2002] |
| 19:43:48 | prpplague | ibot: seen mdz_ |
| 19:43:49 | kergoth | hunger: ahh.. |
| 19:44:07 | kergoth | brb |
| 19:44:09 | mdz_ | hi |
| 19:44:21 | hunger | kergoth: And I have a problem with the libc6 build script:O |
| 19:44:44 | Titan818 | where can I find kismet stuff? |
| 19:45:07 | hunger | kergoth: It builds both libc6 and gconv ipks, then overwrites the libc6 ipk again with an empty one. |
| 19:45:43 | hunger | kergoth: I added a test for the existance of a file to templates/method right before the actual ipkg building. |
| 19:47:02 | kergoth | hunger: hmm, thats odd. |
| 19:47:47 | hunger | kergoth: Does oz-base contain empty directories? |
| 19:48:03 | VerxHome | anyone here familiar with Qt layouts that could look at the scap screenshots for a sec |
| 19:48:04 | VerxHome | ? |
| 19:48:15 | treke|home | sure |
| 19:48:16 | hunger | kergoth: ...because I made method remove empty dirs before packaging things up. |
| 19:48:24 | VerxHome | treke, if you look at my app |
| 19:48:31 | VerxHome | Dragon Sheet |
| 19:48:40 | VerxHome | see the second column of widgets? |
| 19:48:46 | VerxHome | starts with HP:, Class:, etc. |
| 19:49:17 | treke|home | yeah? |
| 19:49:20 | VerxHome | ok |
| 19:49:22 | kergoth | hunger: I think it does, just to provide structure. i dont recall |
| 19:49:27 | VerxHome | I want (for instance) |
| 19:49:37 | VerxHome | all the comboboxes and text entry areas to be the same width |
| 19:49:45 | hunger | kergoth: That's what I feared:-) |
| 19:49:59 | VerxHome | and I want them to be exactly parallel with the title to their left |
| 19:50:03 | ToyKeeper | Argh.. I wonder where mkfifo is. |
| 19:50:04 | treke|home | looks like they are |
| 19:50:19 | VerxHome | well, yes, but they aren't using layouts 100% |
| 19:50:53 | VerxHome | would you recommend (if I use layouts) putting for instance "Class:" and its combobox in a horizontal layout |
| 19:50:55 | tboc | n8 |
| 19:50:59 | VerxHome | and so on, with each one |
| 19:51:03 | treke|home | put them in a grid layout |
| 19:51:06 | VerxHome | and then enclosing them all in a single container layout? |
| 19:51:12 | VerxHome | grid layout |
| 19:51:14 | VerxHome | ok |
| 19:51:22 | VerxHome | lemme try that, I haven't messed with it yet |
| 19:51:58 | kergoth | ToyKeeper: busybox has mkfifo.. prpplague already complaiined (iirc) about it not being built in for OZ |
| 19:53:14 | kergoth | hunger: how about we create the rootfs structure in the oz-base postinst script? |
| 19:53:22 | kergoth | hunger: I think that'd be best. then itd work fine |
| 19:53:31 | kergoth | hunger: i'd think .. |
| 19:53:31 | hunger | kergoth: Good idea. |
| 19:53:50 | hunger | kergoth: It's only a couple of mkdir -p's anyway. |
| 19:54:50 | ToyKeeper | Hmm. Not having much luck with x11zaurus. |
| 19:55:18 | VerxHome | well |
| 19:55:32 | VerxHome | having layouts doesn't help the app resize in any way |
| 19:55:39 | VerxHome | deletes all his layouts |
| 19:55:53 | treke|home | VerxHome: well you app doesnt have room to resize |
| 19:56:11 | treke|home | layouts are a good thing, it helps it to expand if there is more screenspace |
| 19:56:21 | VerxHome | well |
| 19:56:22 | VerxHome | yeah |
| 19:56:28 | VerxHome | but there isn't |
| 19:56:29 | VerxHome | :) |
| 19:56:46 | VerxHome | I don't think most of my apps will be this constrained for space |
| 19:56:51 | treke|home | sure there is. just put your ipaq into lanscape and you now have a 320x200 window |
| 19:56:51 | VerxHome | I will use layouts on those |
| 19:57:14 | VerxHome | treke: Yes, and even with layouts, it is incapable of dealing with that, given the widgets I have |
| 19:57:14 | frankps | hi all |
| 19:57:19 | treke|home | put them in a qscrollview |
| 19:57:57 | VerxHome | that would kill my space |
| 19:58:03 | VerxHome | I would have even LESS screen space then |
| 19:58:08 | treke|home | well its your only choice |
| 19:58:17 | treke|home | if you want it to scroll, thats what you have to do |
| 19:58:40 | VerxHome | even with a qscrollview |
| 19:58:44 | VerxHome | when you rotate the screen |
| 19:58:46 | VerxHome | it wouldn't help |
| 19:58:56 | treke|home | what do you mean it wouldnt help? |
| 19:59:03 | VerxHome | opie should have like per application rotation capability |
| 19:59:12 | treke|home | it does |
| 19:59:30 | whardier | I just made a divx so high quality |
| 19:59:32 | VerxHome | treke: I mean the layout doesn't help it to fit entirely on the screen if you rotate it |
| 19:59:34 | whardier | that only a ghz machine can play it |
| 19:59:53 | treke|home | VerxHome: because your layout needs more screen space |
| 19:59:59 | VerxHome | it would leave a ton falling off the bottom |
| 20:00:07 | VerxHome | and you would constantly have to scroll |
| 20:00:07 | kergoth | VerxHome: so? thats what scrollbars are for. |
| 20:00:11 | treke|home | VerxHome: the layout allows it to expand to use more space, it can deal without having enough space |
| 20:00:21 | kergoth | whardier: fun |
| 20:00:31 | treke|home | VerxHome: Either deal with having to scroll, or come up with a better layout |
| 20:00:48 | whardier | kergoth I am just.. being odd.. bah :) |
| 20:00:49 | VerxHome | I can't think of a layout that would work for this |
| 20:00:53 | whardier | I should take all the movies |
| 20:00:58 | VerxHome | in terms of allowing it to look right in both rotations |
| 20:01:00 | whardier | transcode them to 320x240 |
| 20:01:08 | whardier | low bitrate |
| 20:01:09 | whardier | terrible audio |
| 20:01:34 | kergoth | wooo |
| 20:01:34 | treke|home | VerxHome: Well your going to have to find one. Or else add scrollbars |
| 20:01:46 | kergoth | shit shit shit |
| 20:01:49 | kergoth | the leds didnt work |
| 20:01:59 | kergoth | just booted his Z with 2.5.26 and got a login.. though its with cramfs not jffs2 |
| 20:01:59 | whardier | :( |
| 20:02:00 | VerxHome | treke: Do the scrollbars work such that they only appear if needed? |
| 20:02:06 | VerxHome | or do they show up no matter what? |
| 20:02:07 | whardier | nooo! |
| 20:02:08 | treke|home | VerxHome: yes |
| 20:02:12 | VerxHome | oh! |
| 20:02:13 | treke|home | they appear when needed |
| 20:02:15 | VerxHome | then they might work |
| 20:02:19 | VerxHome | gives it a shot |
| 20:02:23 | treke|home | but there has to be room for them to appear |
| 20:02:24 | kergoth | whardier: flash is stuck read only for a bit, so I'll finish other thigns then go back to that.. heh |
| 20:02:25 | hunger | kergoth: That sounds definitly like a breakthrough:-) |
| 20:02:29 | treke|home | and it doesnt look like you have room |
| 20:02:42 | VerxHome | treke: Right, everything fits on the screen |
| 20:02:42 | kergoth | hunger: progress, anyway.. |
| 20:02:49 | VerxHome | so there isn't any need for scrollbars |
| 20:03:02 | VerxHome | scrollbars should only appear if something would have been drawn off screen without them |
| 20:03:05 | mdz_ | kergoth: are there any other cramfs->jffs2 gotchas besides the padding thing? |
| 20:03:20 | treke|home | VerxHome: but there isnt room for them to appear. at least from the looks of things |
| 20:03:30 | kergoth | mdz_: not really, no. |
| 20:03:53 | kergoth | mdz_: obviously you have to be able to write with the mtd driver you're using.. sharp uses mtdrom, which cant |
| 20:03:57 | VerxHome | treke: I don't think you are following me. It doesn't MATTER that there isn't room for them to appear - there is no NEED for them to appear because everything fits on screen |
| 20:04:10 | kergoth | VerxHome: everything fits even when rotated? |
| 20:04:20 | VerxHome | kergoth: I was talking portrait |
| 20:04:23 | kergoth | VerxHome: people WILL rotate, you arent going to prevent that. |
| 20:04:29 | kergoth | VerxHome: so use qscrollview in case they do. |
| 20:04:32 | VerxHome | I would expect it to need scrollbars when it rotates |
| 20:04:43 | VerxHome | and that is fine |
| 20:04:51 | kergoth | hmmm |
| 20:04:52 | VerxHome | my point is that it shouldn't need scrollbars in portrait |
| 20:05:08 | kergoth | you know what i hate about X |
| 20:05:11 | treke|home | VerxHome: when you open the input method, the scrollbars will appear |
| 20:05:11 | kergoth | the clipboard situation |
| 20:05:12 | kergoth | argh |
| 20:05:15 | treke|home | in portrait |
| 20:05:31 | VerxHome | treke: And that is perfectly fine too |
| 20:05:45 | kergoth | leds.c:29: `collie_leds_event' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 20:05:46 | kergoth | hmm |
| 20:05:47 | VerxHome | my fear was that the scrollbars would appear even without the input method being popped up |
| 20:05:47 | treke|home | VerxHome: But where is the space for them? |
| 20:05:51 | VerxHome | ie, they would be there all the time |
| 20:06:21 | VerxHome | treke: um, the way scrollbars work is they SHOULD appear on the rightmost and bottommost edges of the widget containing them |
| 20:06:36 | VerxHome | and the contents would then be within the area left after the scrollbars are drawn |
| 20:06:45 | VerxHome | is that not how they do it? |
| 20:06:46 | kergoth | VerxHome: i think he's saying that you dont have enough room for them to appear on portait when the input method is up |
| 20:06:59 | treke|home | VerxHome: right, will your content be able to shrink to accomodate them? |
| 20:07:14 | VerxHome | treke: It should, I am using input methods after all |
| 20:07:17 | VerxHome | er, |
| 20:07:21 | VerxHome | s/input methods/layouts |
| 20:07:40 | mdz_ | kergoth: how do you set up which mtd driver is used for which physical device? |
| 20:07:44 | VerxHome | am I allowed to tell layout to have a specific width? |
| 20:07:59 | VerxHome | like can I give a layout an x,y, width, height? |
| 20:08:05 | VerxHome | or does that prevent it from dealing with resize? |
| 20:09:15 | treke|home | VerxHome: you can specify in the widget whether it can expand if it has a minimum size. Its on the properties dialog |
| 20:09:27 | darienm | VerxHome: Seems you will have to just have less items on that screen -- move non stats off to another tab? |
| 20:10:15 | codemnky | hello |
| 20:10:42 | darienm | waves at the mnky |
| 20:10:50 | darienm | offers the mnky a banana |
| 20:10:51 | VerxHome | treke: What I mean is, if I leave the widgets inside a layout to have min size 0,0, max size 32767, 32767, can I set the layout itself to have specific geometry and still expect it to resize? |
| 20:10:52 | codemnky | what's going on |
| 20:10:55 | kergoth | mdz_: Dont enable more than one driver that'll work for the same chips |
| 20:10:59 | darienm | ... daqueri |
| 20:11:02 | kergoth | mdz_: or ask david woodhouse, he'd know. |
| 20:11:10 | kergoth | mdz_: i just disable mtdrom and enable the proper drivers |
| 20:11:18 | mdz_ | kergoth: I see, thanks |
| 20:11:27 | codemnky | i made a picture for whardier last night kergoth |
| 20:11:37 | VerxHome | looks like the most critical thing right now |
| 20:11:45 | VerxHome | is to put my tabwidget into a layout |
| 20:11:51 | [George-] | hmm |
| 20:11:56 | kergoth | codemnky: ? |
| 20:11:58 | kergoth | mdz_: np |
| 20:12:01 | treke|home | VerxHome: I dont think you can put a size on a layout |
| 20:12:03 | [George-] | Malaysia allowing pirated s/w for educational purpose |
| 20:12:05 | [George-] | cooooool |
| 20:12:14 | VerxHome | treke: It lets me. |
| 20:12:24 | [George-] | hops over to malaysia, picks up winxp, office v x, etc, then hops back to england :) |
| 20:12:40 | nadav | lol |
| 20:12:47 | kergoth | [George-]: define educational purpose |
| 20:12:56 | kergoth | [George-]: can i get warcraft 3 to learn military strategy? |
| 20:12:57 | kergoth | :-) |
| 20:12:58 | [George-] | kergoth: check slashdot |
| 20:13:00 | [George-] | LOL |
| 20:13:17 | [George-] | warcraft III rocks |
| 20:13:23 | kergoth | yeah |
| 20:13:25 | kergoth | good game |
| 20:13:27 | kergoth | i still suck at it though |
| 20:13:27 | VerxHome | oh, great |
| 20:13:35 | VerxHome | if I select my tabwidget |
| 20:13:39 | [George-] | But for educational purposes and to encourage computer usage, we may consider allowing schools and social organisations to use pirated software." |
| 20:13:41 | VerxHome | it won't let me put it into a layout |
| 20:13:42 | [George-] | That's quoted |
| 20:13:44 | [George-] | from slashdot |
| 20:13:53 | [George-] | which quotes some Malaysian MP or something |
| 20:14:36 | darienm | http://www.oddabon.com/hi.jpg <-- the codemnky |
| 20:15:08 | [George-] | http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2002/7/28/nation/jhsoftwar&sec=nation |
| 20:15:59 | VerxHome | anyone here have a clue how to put a tabwidget into a layout? |
| 20:16:12 | [George-] | VerxHome: Just like any other widget? |
| 20:16:16 | VerxHome | nope |
| 20:16:20 | VerxHome | no workie |
| 20:16:27 | VerxHome | that was what I thought too |
| 20:16:27 | umopapisdn | VerxHome: What's the problem you're having with tabwidget? |
| 20:16:39 | VerxHome | umopapisdn: I cannot put it into a layout |
| 20:16:56 | umopapisdn | VerxHome: odd... what happens? |
| 20:17:21 | VerxHome | when I select the tabwidget, the buttons for all types of layouts gray out |
| 20:17:28 | umopapisdn | VerxHome: I've done it, so i know it should work. |
| 20:18:22 | codemnky | thanks |
| 20:18:44 | whardier | ny node is nroken |
| 20:18:48 | VerxHome | perhaps I will have to do it from code |
| 20:18:54 | VerxHome | and not from Qt Designer |
| 20:19:31 | [George-] | VerxHome: You don't do it like that :) |
| 20:19:38 | umopapisdn | VerxHome: I've never managed to use designer in any useful way... :( |
| 20:19:41 | [George-] | VerxHome: You click the area *around* the tabwidget |
| 20:19:47 | [George-] | VerxHome: then you press it :) |
| 20:20:25 | Rombus | Hi there |
| 20:20:38 | [George-] | hi lop-sided-square |
| 20:20:45 | Rombus | lol |
| 20:20:45 | [George-] | j/k |
| 20:20:48 | [George-] | hi Rombus |
| 20:20:49 | [George-] | :) |
| 20:21:40 | nadav | yawns |
| 20:22:14 | Rombus | i got a question, 2 sorta, 1. Is there anything i can plug into a standard network to act as an access point for a wireless card, 2. are there any bluetooth cards that work with the zaurus |
| 20:22:51 | kergoth | Rombus: 1) buy an access point 2) no idea |
| 20:22:53 | kergoth | hehh |
| 20:23:14 | nadav | APs aren't too expensive if you don't need a built-in router |
| 20:23:15 | nadav | around $80 |
| 20:23:51 | Rombus | well, i need it to be as small as possible, (i would rather not take around cat5 to connect my zaurus to the wall) and all in one, but i dunno if something like that exists |
| 20:24:14 | nadav | ? |
| 20:24:24 | kergoth | Rombus: huh? so buy an AP. buy network cable. plug network cable from AP into your LAN. i dont see the dillemma. |
| 20:25:15 | Rombus | lol, I need it to be mobel too, so i can use it anywhere on my campus |
| 20:25:19 | Rombus | (going to college) |
| 20:25:29 | nadav | APs are small.. |
| 20:25:32 | kergoth | okay let me adjust. buy a SMALL AP |
| 20:25:34 | kergoth | hehh |
| 20:25:37 | Rombus | lol |
| 20:25:49 | mdz_ | what is the trick to getting the Z to suspend when you hold the Off button? |
| 20:26:04 | mdz_ | it doesn't seem to send a normal APM event |
| 20:26:34 | kergoth | mdz_: i believe qtopia catches it and runs apm --suspend |
| 20:26:37 | kergoth | mdz_: iirc |
| 20:26:58 | mdz_ | kergoth: do you know how it catches it, or which program handles it so I can look? |
| 20:27:21 | kergoth | mdz_: opie cvs.. opie/core/launcher/ |
| 20:27:23 | mdz_ | I see /proc/sys/pm/suspend, which is a nice way to make your Zaurus completely unusable until you power cycle it |
| 20:27:31 | kergoth | dont do that |
| 20:27:33 | kergoth | do apm --suspend |
| 20:27:37 | kergoth | if you want to force a suspend |
| 20:27:41 | mdz_ | apm: Invalid argument |
| 20:27:48 | kergoth | works flawless here |
| 20:27:49 | kergoth | apm --help |
| 20:27:50 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:27:51 | mdz_ | hmm |
| 20:27:59 | mdz_ | I know how the apm utility works |
| 20:28:05 | mdz_ | this is using the stock Sharp kernel at the moment |
| 20:28:12 | kergoth | k... |
| 20:28:16 | kergoth | you did enable APM right? |
| 20:28:16 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:28:35 | mdz_ | (none):/proc/sys/pm# cat /proc/apm |
| 20:28:35 | mdz_ | 1.14 1.2 0x02 0x01 0x03 0x08 95% -1 ? |
| 20:28:37 | kergoth | fyi, arch/arm/def-configs/sl5500, and sl5000d are predone kernel configs |
| 20:28:41 | kergoth | k, just checking :-) |
| 20:29:01 | angry | there we go |
| 20:29:01 | mdz_ | I didn't notice it until today, it has been in the cradle for weeks while I've been tearing it apart |
| 20:29:03 | angry | damn ghost |
| 20:29:57 | VerxHome | [George-]: Ok, I got it |
| 20:30:04 | VerxHome | the tabwidget stretches now |
| 20:30:06 | mdz_ | yeah, looks like opie just runs apm --suspend. weird. |
| 20:30:23 | kergoth | yeah thats what i figured |
| 20:30:25 | mdz_ | kergoth: what version of the apm userspace stuff are you using? |
| 20:30:39 | mdz_ | I have 3.0.2 here |
| 20:31:30 | kergoth | I'm using 3.0.2 + debian's patch, seems to work fine |
| 20:32:58 | mdz_ | kergoth: exactly what I'm using, 3.0.2-1.19 |
| 20:33:01 | mdz_ | wtf |
| 20:33:50 | mdz_ | ioctl(3, AGPIOC_RELEASE, 0) = -1 EINVAL (Invalid argument) |
| 20:34:07 | mdz_ | that doesn't look right at all |
| 20:34:13 | kergoth | er |
| 20:34:14 | kergoth | thats odd |
| 20:34:21 | mdz_ | strace may just be confused about the ioctl number |
| 20:34:35 | mdz_ | though if it is right, that would certainly explain it |
| 20:34:46 | kergoth | i dont trust strace's knowledge of the ioctls. |
| 20:34:48 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:34:54 | mdz_ | it has been known to be wrong on occasion |
| 20:35:09 | whardier | Farscape - Revenging Angel.. is the weridest fucking episode ever |
| 20:35:13 | mdz_ | maybe I'll try your OZ kernel. what's likely to break, if anything? |
| 20:38:01 | cranchy | whats the default root password on OpenZ |
| 20:38:07 | cranchy | I'm trying to ftp to it... |
| 20:38:38 | Mickey0 | cranchy: empty |
| 20:39:18 | cranchy | if I try to FTP through USB it says connection refused |
| 20:39:21 | [George-] | VerxHome: cool |
| 20:39:22 | cranchy | wait.. |
| 20:39:25 | cranchy | specify port number :) |
| 20:39:40 | ljp- | if you have an updated oz th epassword is now Qtopia |
| 20:40:00 | cranchy | k..thanks ljp |
| 20:40:19 | ljp- | same port.. and then you have to accept the connection on the Z |
| 20:43:14 | cranchy | its not working...do I have to specify how to use it over USB? |
| 20:44:09 | cranchy | saying host not found |
| 20:44:17 | ljp- | port 4242 |
| 20:44:20 | cranchy | but yet I can ping it |
| 20:44:38 | cranchy | its probably trying to use my other NIC>? |
| 20:44:38 | [George-] | cranchy: ftp 192.168.129.201 4242, right? |
| 20:44:44 | cranchy | yeah |
| 20:44:50 | ljp- | if you've tryied it alot, you'll have to wait about 10 minutes to try again |
| 20:45:00 | ljp- | tried it without password, that is |
| 20:45:05 | cranchy | I did that once.. |
| 20:45:08 | cranchy | reboot the Z? |
| 20:45:26 | Mickey0 | ljp-: abuse timer?? |
| 20:46:30 | ljp- | yes |
| 20:46:44 | Mickey0 | cool# |
| 20:46:54 | ljp- | carch: naa if it was only once you dont need too |
| 20:48:29 | cranchy | its not saying host not found no....just not doing anything |
| 20:48:29 | cranchy | oh..duh |
| 20:48:29 | cranchy | I pulled it out of the craddle |
| 20:48:38 | Speedy2 | The cradle will rock. |
| 20:50:14 | cranchy | it said service not available, remote server has closed connection |
| 20:51:15 | prpplague | mdz_: your using matchbox right? |
| 20:51:17 | ljp- | cranchy: did you choose an ip range in the security setting app? |
| 20:51:28 | mdz_ | prpplague: kinda. it's what I have in my initrd to let me run more than one rxvt at a time :-) |
| 20:51:31 | cranchy | hehe uhhh |
| 20:51:34 | cranchy | no... |
| 20:51:36 | mdz_ | prpplague: I'm looking at GPE, though |
| 20:51:46 | mdz_ | for the future |
| 20:52:22 | prpplague | mdz_: i thought GPE, using matchbox as the WM |
| 20:52:23 | cranchy | its on 192.168.1.0/24 |
| 20:52:46 | prpplague | mdz_: anyway, i'm have an occasional segfault on matchbox |
| 20:53:33 | ljp- | well 192.168.1.x is not in the 192.168.129.x range.. |
| 20:53:43 | cranchy | true... |
| 20:53:44 | cranchy | haha |
| 20:53:48 | ljp- | selected Any for now.. |
| 20:53:52 | prpplague | mdz_: hey would you mind sending me a copy of your host.def and cross.def for comparision? |
| 20:54:00 | kergoth | re |
| 20:54:00 | | kergoth was last seen on #zaurus 0 seconds ago, saying: re [Sun Jul 28 21:54:00 2002] |
| 20:54:00 | Speedy2 | ibot: seen kergoth |
| 20:54:04 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:54:10 | Speedy2 | kergoth: How are things? |
| 20:54:25 | cranchy | damn..that works :) |
| 20:54:26 | cranchy | haha |
| 20:54:28 | cranchy | I'm a dummy |
| 20:54:30 | kergoth | Speedy2: not bad. gave up on jffs2 for now, reverted to cramfs and workin on the sound drivers |
| 20:54:37 | Speedy2 | kergoth: I see. |
| 20:54:39 | kergoth | Speedy2: you? |
| 20:54:52 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Fell asleep before I could code. Must start now. |
| 20:55:23 | ljp- | dont you hate when you run netstat -r and it crashes the box... |
| 20:55:26 | kergoth | ~ # uname -a |
| 20:55:26 | kergoth | Linux zaurus 2.5.26-rmk1-cl1 #5 Sun Jul 28 16:10:45 CDT 2002 armv4l unknown |
| 20:55:26 | kergoth | ~ # |
| 20:55:28 | kergoth | muahah |
| 20:55:35 | Speedy2 | It's up and going, eh? |
| 20:55:40 | kergoth | yeah |
| 20:55:42 | Speedy2 | :) |
| 20:55:47 | Speedy2 | I bet that "cl1" gives you some pride. |
| 20:55:58 | Speedy2 | Until you realize that the evil ones are after you... |
| 20:56:10 | kergoth | i'm going to partition the mtd device in half.. first have is cramfs, second half is jffs2.. that way i can try playing with the mtd device from user space. |
| 20:56:16 | mdz_ | prpplague: sure, I have your address |
| 20:56:19 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Good idea. |
| 20:56:26 | [George-] | cl1? |
| 20:56:28 | ljp- | hehehe thats funny |
| 20:56:38 | prpplague | mdz_: thanks |
| 20:56:39 | Speedy2 | Chris Lawson 1 |
| 20:56:51 | kergoth | shit |
| 20:56:53 | Speedy2 | (his CB call-sign) |
| 20:56:57 | kergoth | hmm |
| 20:57:04 | kergoth | the leds didnt turn on |
| 20:57:10 | mdz_ | prpplague: I'll just send you the whole diff |
| 20:57:11 | Speedy2 | "Breaker breaker, this is CL1" |
| 20:57:21 | prpplague | mdz_: i got 4.1 compiling last night, and documented a ton stuff, but i'm still missing something on the wm side of things |
| 20:57:27 | prpplague | mdz_: thanks |
| 20:57:33 | mdz_ | well, if the LEDs don't work, it isn't good for anything |
| 20:57:39 | Speedy2 | Damn right. |
| 20:57:48 | Mickey0 | kergoth: how would you rate the status of 2.5.x ? damn unstable, pretty unstable or slightly unstable? .) |
| 20:58:33 | Speedy2 | Mickey0: Like a dog on Angel Dust -- rough around the edges. |
| 20:59:12 | mdz_ | prpplague: matchbox has been rock solid for me |
| 20:59:14 | kergoth | Mickey0: depends on what you're doing with it |
| 20:59:32 | kergoth | Mickey0: ide is unstable.. usb-storage crashes hardcore.. |
| 20:59:34 | kergoth | Mickey0: for example |
| 20:59:40 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 20:59:41 | kergoth | Mickey0: heh |
| 20:59:44 | Speedy2 | Minor things |
| 20:59:55 | Mickey0 | kergoth: ahh... that's a bit too unstable for my taste .) |
| 21:00:09 | kergoth | Mickey0: yep. feature freeze isnt until october.. then its all bug fixes from there |
| 21:00:10 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:00:19 | kergoth | Mickey0: so its still highly in flux |
| 21:00:43 | prpplague | mdz_: i think i've mixed up some of the theme files with other builds |
| 21:00:53 | Mickey0 | kergoth: i see... how much of your workings will you backport to 2.4.19? |
| 21:00:55 | prpplague | mdz_: i'll rebuild here in a few |
| 21:01:49 | kergoth | Mickey0: well, all the zaurus specific stuff goes to 2.5.latest and then gets backported to 2.4.19. |
| 21:02:20 | kergoth | oops.. |
| 21:02:22 | kergoth | mounts /proc |
| 21:02:35 | ljp- | heh |
| 21:03:26 | mdz_ | kergoth: brave |
| 21:06:19 | jmhodges | heya |
| 21:07:01 | [-George-] | hi |
| 21:07:02 | [-George-] | re |
| 21:07:05 | [-George-] | blah |
| 21:07:55 | kergoth | DAMNIT LEDS |
| 21:07:57 | kergoth | BLINK! |
| 21:08:11 | whardier | heh |
| 21:08:16 | [-George-] | kergoth: lol |
| 21:08:25 | jmhodges | lol |
| 21:08:25 | [-George-] | kergoth: Strange. on my Psion 5 the LEDs blinked for CPU usage on 2.4.18 |
| 21:09:17 | ljp- | kergoth: blink blink blink.... bblliinnnkkkk bblliinnnkkkk bblliinnnkkkk.. blink blink blink |
| 21:09:39 | [-George-] | lmao |
| 21:09:48 | jmhodges | lol |
| 21:10:00 | [-George-] | kergoth: Perhaps you could make the Buzzer beep at the same time? And the screen contrast flash? And........ |
| 21:11:30 | rw2 | So is it true that one cannot do a wireless sync to a linux box? Intellisync seems to be a requirement, yes? |
| 21:11:54 | kergoth | ljp-: you're not an LED! |
| 21:12:22 | darienm | rw2: depends what you call 'sync' |
| 21:12:24 | [-George-] | kergoth: Yeh he is, Loser (at) Everything (and a) Dumbass :) |
| 21:12:26 | kergoth | DAMNIT LJP! BLINK! |
| 21:12:30 | kergoth | no, see, that doesnt sound right |
| 21:12:33 | darienm | rw2: you can home-brew your own scripts that go in via scp |
| 21:12:35 | Mickey0 | blinks |
| 21:12:52 | darienm | rw2: and while that's a 'copy' and not a 'sync' its possible |
| 21:14:42 | Speedy2 | kergoth: The LEDs are hooked via GPIOs ? |
| 21:14:51 | Speedy2 | kergoth: They're active low signals is my guess. |
| 21:18:17 | Speedy2 | Cute |
| 21:18:19 | Speedy2 | LEDPWM1 is active high |
| 21:18:27 | Speedy2 | Since it drives a MOSFET gate |
| 21:19:03 | ljp- | is that guy acting up again? ;) |
| 21:21:12 | prpplague | mdz_: thanks for the email, looks like duped pretty much the same thing |
| 21:21:18 | sig | sup |
| 21:21:22 | sig | just got back from camping |
| 21:22:53 | jmhodges | hey sig |
| 21:23:20 | sig | hey |
| 21:25:32 | hunger | kergoth: make jffs2image failes because of missing root/etc/ipkg.conf |
| 21:26:05 | cranchy | I think I'm going back to Sharp's ROM for now... |
| 21:26:15 | cranchy | whats this I hear about Flinders ROM or something? |
| 21:26:38 | darienm | cranchy: if I recall, it uses almost ALL RAM for memory |
| 21:26:51 | darienm | cranchy: so storage would need to be external. |
| 21:26:58 | kergoth | hunger: it only errors on the first package. |
| 21:27:11 | kergoth | hunger: oz-base... because oz-base installs it. then subsequent packages dont error. |
| 21:27:24 | kergoth | hunger: the error shouldnt be critical .. that is, it should keep going and install fine |
| 21:27:46 | hunger | kergoth: Nope. |
| 21:28:05 | kergoth | hunger: then remove the -f root/etc/ipkg.conf from the ipkg install line in jffs2image. |
| 21:28:28 | hunger | kergoth: It stops afterwards with main: the ``install'' command requires at least one argument |
| 21:29:08 | kergoth | hunger: huh? |
| 21:29:17 | kergoth | hunger: it puts the ipks on the command line |
| 21:29:23 | kergoth | hunger: do you have any ipks in sources/ipks? |
| 21:29:58 | hunger | ls sources/ipks/*.ipk | wc -l |
| 21:30:03 | hunger | gives 48 |
| 21:30:14 | kergoth | oh |
| 21:30:16 | kergoth | you cant make jffs2image. |
| 21:30:26 | kergoth | take a look at configs/openzaurus.mk |
| 21:30:35 | kergoth | it sets a variable that contains the list of ipks. |
| 21:31:28 | hunger | kergoth: Annoying... I can't build openzaurus because the kernel fails to build. |
| 21:31:33 | cranchy | how can I flash between the Sharp and OpenZ roms |
| 21:31:44 | cranchy | do I just run the Sharp update program from the last ROM |
| 21:33:07 | kergoth | hunger: got a better way to pass the list of ipks to install? |
| 21:33:11 | kergoth | cranchy: uh |
| 21:33:18 | kergoth | cranchy: http://more.sbc.co.jp/slj/index.asp |
| 21:33:26 | kergoth | cranchy: read the flash update from CF procedures. |
| 21:33:33 | hunger | kergoth: Fix the kernel and we won't need it:-) |
| 21:33:51 | kergoth | hunger: heh. yeah we will, cause this way sucks :-) |
| 21:35:51 | jmhodges | hey codemnky |
| 21:35:55 | codemnky | what uo |
| 21:35:56 | codemnky | up |
| 21:37:27 | codemnky | how long can a money survire free floating in space with only 5 beers? |
| 21:37:30 | codemnky | monkey |
| 21:39:27 | ToyKeeper | Hmm. How can I tell the clock applet not to compensate for my timezone? |
| 21:39:52 | ToyKeeper | It's trying to be smart by adding 6 hours, instead of just using the system time... |
| 21:40:06 | codemnky | $hey->clock_applet('no_compesate', 'my_zone'); |
| 21:40:09 | kergoth | thats pretty stupid. |
| 21:40:20 | codemnky | i'm sorry i'm silly today |
| 21:40:21 | kergoth | codemnky: have another beer |
| 21:40:23 | kergoth | codemnky: :-) |
| 21:40:27 | codemnky | none yet |
| 21:40:39 | whardier | IS A DRINKIN |
| 21:40:41 | rw2 | darienm: What I call sync is getting the records from qtopia on my linux box into the Z and changes on the Z on my desktop. I don't see how scp can do that. Am I missing something? |
| 21:40:46 | whardier | WITH THE CAPS ON |
| 21:40:48 | whardier | DAMNIT |
| 21:41:01 | codemnky | what up whardier |
| 21:41:08 | codemnky | get those creatives done |
| 21:41:24 | whardier | bah |
| 21:41:24 | whardier | fuck no |
| 21:41:25 | whardier | I have been a little to lit this weekend |
| 21:41:30 | hunger | kergoth: I made it install my stuff, now it insists on configuring things and fails misserably doing so. |
| 21:41:32 | codemnky | i know the feeling |
| 21:41:41 | whardier | all I have wanted to do is download movies |
| 21:41:41 | whardier | and sit.. and avoid my horny kitty |
| 21:41:42 | codemnky | i drooled on my keyboard last night |
| 21:41:42 | hunger | kergoth: Can I stop it from running the postinst scripts? |
| 21:41:55 | whardier | codemnky: haha.. am I that sexy? |
| 21:41:58 | codemnky | i had key impressions in my forehead |
| 21:42:03 | codemnky | no from sleep |
| 21:42:06 | whardier | oh |
| 21:42:06 | codemnky | buttmunch |
| 21:42:06 | whardier | hah |
| 21:42:22 | whardier | hah |
| 21:42:26 | whardier | well I have not heard that one in a while |
| 21:42:32 | whardier | starts downloading Donnie Dark |
| 21:42:33 | whardier | o |
| 21:42:36 | codemnky | see you mostly just made me nervous and i locked the doors |
| 21:42:42 | whardier | haha |
| 21:42:48 | whardier | I am starting to believe you don't have a wife |
| 21:42:54 | whardier | if you keep falling asleep at the computer |
| 21:43:02 | kergoth | hunger: /etc/init.d/freset |
| 21:43:17 | hunger | kergoth: ? |
| 21:43:22 | kergoth | hunger: fyi, running the postinsts is normally aboslutely necessary, because you cant properly run the postinsts via ipkg (x86) on the desktop |
| 21:43:29 | whardier | whardier ? |
| 21:43:32 | codemnky | it's true i do |
| 21:43:37 | kergoth | hunger: /etc/init.d/freset is the full reset handler, it runs all the postinsts when you full reeset |
| 21:43:39 | whardier | hah |
| 21:43:47 | hunger | kergoth: That's fine! |
| 21:43:53 | codemnky | funny thing is, she's just like me |
| 21:44:00 | whardier | haha |
| 21:44:03 | codemnky | mostly stupid |
| 21:44:07 | whardier | man I want to buy the FarScape DVD sets |
| 21:44:15 | hunger | kergoth: Its running the postinst scripts on my desktop during the install into the directory that will be used as the root of the initrd image. |
| 21:44:20 | kergoth | hunger: ohhhh gotcha |
| 21:44:21 | whardier | just so I don't have to download 3 seasons worth |
| 21:44:26 | kergoth | hunger: i dont think theres a way to stop it. its annoying as hell |
| 21:44:33 | br33zy | m2o3o4o5o6o7o8o9o10o11o12o13o14o |
| 21:44:46 | whardier | cow |
| 21:45:12 | kergoth | hunger: imho it shouldnt even bother with the postinst when using -o (offline_root) because it isnt going to succeed. |
| 21:45:45 | hunger | kergoth: You need to be root to build a initrd! That sucks. |
| 21:45:54 | hunger | kergoth: That's a huge bug in ipkg... |
| 21:45:57 | Mickey0 | hmmm... fakeroot environment? |
| 21:46:03 | Wintre | hunger: So you can mount the loopback device? |
| 21:46:19 | whardier | hmm |
| 21:46:21 | whardier | anyhoot |
| 21:46:25 | whardier | sits down and watches another movie |
| 21:46:47 | hunger | Mickey0: Won't help: It wants to run ldcofnig and can't since I have no rights to overwrite /etc/ld.so.cache or something. |
| 21:47:02 | hunger | Wintre: I can't even get it to build something to mount loopback. |
| 21:47:06 | ljp- | how can you make the packages root if you arent? |
| 21:47:12 | kergoth | hunger: huh? |
| 21:47:18 | kergoth | hunger: you dont need to be root to build an initrd. |
| 21:47:33 | Mickey0 | hunger: you're right. |
| 21:47:35 | hunger | kergoth: I need to be root to run ldconfig here.. |
| 21:47:52 | kergoth | hunger: the fact that the postinst script fails will not abort the package installs. |
| 21:47:55 | whardier | ljp- fakeroot? |
| 21:47:59 | kergoth | hunger: it will continue and succeed. |
| 21:48:05 | ljp- | you need to be root to make opie ipkg's |
| 21:48:23 | hunger | slaps his head |
| 21:48:29 | kergoth | ljp-: all we need is a single command line argument to tell tar to stomp on the permissions |
| 21:48:32 | Mickey0 | ljp-: hmm... i build opie daily... with fakeroot |
| 21:48:43 | kergoth | or that |
| 21:48:43 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:48:59 | ljp- | I wasnt saying that fakeroot wont work |
| 21:49:41 | hunger | kergoth: You are right of course! It fails because I have no kernel which is needed to build mtd. |
| 21:51:53 | codemnky | export UID=0 |
| 21:51:56 | codemnky | that should do it |
| 21:52:08 | codemnky | :P |
| 21:54:48 | codemnky | hmm |
| 21:55:09 | hunger | kergoth: What is this supposed to meen: kfs.jffs2: var/empty: has no parent directory! |
| 21:55:21 | hunger | s/kfs/mkfs/ |
| 21:56:02 | jmhodges | wonders why his pc suddenly wont recognize his usb0!! |
| 21:56:14 | jmhodges | ack! |
| 21:56:28 | jmhodges | son of a .. |
| 21:56:54 | prpplague | mdz_: is your power button not working under x? |
| 21:58:42 | whardier | has Depeche Mode stuck in his head |
| 21:59:00 | prpplague | whardier: been there done that |
| 22:00:53 | VerxHome | cannot figure out how to setup a horizontal layout that lets buttons stretch out. . . |
| 22:00:54 | mdz_ | prpplague: my power button does not work at all |
| 22:01:12 | mdz_ | prpplague: well, if I hold it down long enough, it does a hard power down. It does not suspend, and I do not yet know why. |
| 22:01:26 | prpplague | mdt_:hmm, i don't have that problem |
| 22:01:31 | prpplague | oops |
| 22:01:38 | prpplague | mtz_:hmm, i don't have that problem |
| 22:01:39 | sig | http://sig.ath.cx/screenshots/barrel.jpg |
| 22:01:43 | sig | 90fps in 1600x1200 |
| 22:01:48 | mdz_ | prpplague: what kernel are you using? |
| 22:02:08 | prpplague | mdz_: the 2.4.6 from OZ IIRC |
| 22:02:30 | mdz_ | prpplague: I'm using Sharp's kernel; I'm planning to give the OZ kernel a try shortly |
| 22:02:58 | prpplague | mdz_: the Sharp kernel did not work well with the apmd |
| 22:03:14 | prpplague | mdz_: i had the same issue under the sharp rom image |
| 22:03:36 | VerxHome | GOT IT! |
| 22:03:37 | VerxHome | cool |
| 22:03:43 | VerxHome | now this makes a ton more sense to me |
| 22:04:07 | mdz_ | prpplague: how did it work with the stock ROM, I wonder? |
| 22:04:14 | prpplague | mdz_: looks like i'm having some font issues on matchbox, but this darn digi stuff has gotten me so worn out, i don;t think i'll get around fixing it tonight |
| 22:04:23 | mdz_ | digi? |
| 22:04:32 | prpplague | mdz_: fastolfe had a replacement apmd |
| 22:04:41 | mdz_ | prpplague: ah |
| 22:04:44 | prpplague | mdz_: multi-serial cards for servers |
| 22:04:56 | mdz_ | what does bootflag.txt do for openzaurus? does it pass kernel command-line parameters, or something else? |
| 22:05:00 | prpplague | mdz_: i'm sort working from the house today |
| 22:05:30 | prpplague | mdz_: IIRC its a boot flags for the sharp rom, but for OZ, anything is valid |
| 22:05:49 | prpplague | mdz_: echo "r00t" > bootflag.txt |
| 22:06:04 | mdz_ | but there is no bootflag.txt in the stock ROM |
| 22:06:20 | prpplague | mdz_: from zaurus or oz? |
| 22:06:26 | mdz_ | prpplague: from sharp |
| 22:06:53 | prpplague | mdz_: i can't answer to that one since i never flash mine with a stock sharp |
| 22:06:55 | mdz_ | prpplague: the 2.37 ROM anyway. is it a 5000d thing or something? |
| 22:06:59 | ljp- | because the sharp rom has everything included |
| 22:07:54 | prpplague | ljp-: could you explain that further? |
| 22:08:00 | mdz_ | so do I understand correctly that bootflag.txt is not actually required for OZ? |
| 22:08:19 | ljp- | sharp rom is bootloader, initrd.bin and zImage all rolled into one.. |
| 22:08:36 | ljp- | bootflag.txt IS required fo roz |
| 22:09:26 | prpplague | ljp-: ahh. |
| 22:13:59 | rw2 | laters |
| 22:14:14 | prpplague | mdz_: i just ran a few tests on the apm with oz, i was able to suspend and resume from several different methods |
| 22:16:30 | mdz_ | let me clarify. I'm not using the OZ initrd, only the kernel. is bootflag.txt required for the kernel? |
| 22:17:47 | prpplague | mdz_: i'm sorry i can't answer that one |
| 22:18:20 | prpplague | mdz_: i was just giving so info on what i knew worked |
| 22:24:55 | VerxHome | finally figured out how to properly do layouts in Qt |
| 22:24:58 | VerxHome | woot! |
| 22:25:11 | prpplague | VerxHome: congrads |
| 22:25:14 | VerxHome | thanks |
| 22:25:18 | VerxHome | only took 3 days |
| 22:25:20 | VerxHome | geez |
| 22:25:42 | prpplague | VerxHome: its the little programming success that make life exciten |
| 22:26:23 | VerxHome | heh |
| 22:26:25 | VerxHome | well |
| 22:26:38 | VerxHome | I feel good knowing that my app won't look like a COMPLETE amateurish attempt |
| 22:26:44 | Mickey0 | is leaving for a while... |
| 22:28:42 | VerxHome | ok. . . |
| 22:28:47 | VerxHome | anyone know what this means?: |
| 22:28:54 | VerxHome | dragonsheetmain.cpp:35: implicit declaration of function `int setProperty(...)' |
| 22:28:54 | VerxHome | dragonsheetmain.cpp:35: warning: cannot pass objects of type `QVariant' through `...' |
| 22:29:27 | VerxHome | I am guessing it is something that Qt lets me do that Qt/E doesn't |
| 22:30:06 | VerxHome | that line is: |
| 22:30:15 | ljp- | qt/e doesnt have Properties |
| 22:30:23 | VerxHome | setProperty( "sizeGripEnabled", QVariant( FALSE, 0 ) ); |
| 22:30:31 | darienm | I'm not a hard-core programmer, but 'implicit' seems to suggest.... yeah - what he said |
| 22:32:45 | VerxHome | well shit |
| 22:33:03 | VerxHome | I setup everything to use layouts |
| 22:33:08 | jmhodges | ackkk! |
| 22:33:19 | VerxHome | and now it refuses to fit on the ipaq screen |
| 22:33:19 | jmhodges | usbdnet is not recognizing my z! |
| 22:33:23 | VerxHome | checks some things |
| 22:33:33 | ljp- | just comment out the setProperties line |
| 22:33:58 | VerxHome | I did |
| 22:34:00 | VerxHome | that solved that |
| 22:34:05 | VerxHome | but I have some other issues |
| 22:34:08 | VerxHome | muddles through them |
| 22:35:39 | jmhodges | can someone help me out here?\ |
| 22:35:46 | VerxHome | try rebooting |
| 22:35:51 | VerxHome | or restarting usbnet |
| 22:35:55 | VerxHome | if you don't wanna reboot |
| 22:36:10 | jmhodges | ive already rebooted twice |
| 22:37:11 | VerxHome | I don't know what else to tell you |
| 22:37:14 | VerxHome | I don't have a Z. . . |
| 22:37:23 | jmhodges | :( |
| 22:37:43 | ljp- | ifconfig -a? |
| 22:38:16 | jmhodges | nada ljp- |
| 22:38:18 | prpplague | wahoo, server is install, time for a break |
| 22:38:21 | jmhodges | already thought of that one too |
| 22:38:22 | jmhodges | :) |
| 22:38:51 | jmhodges | imchecking my kernel config.. making sure its the right numbers in those usbdnet text entry areas |
| 22:39:07 | ljp- | depmod -a; modprobe usbdnet ? |
| 22:39:08 | jmhodges | x x<M> USBD Network (Encapsulated) Host-to-Host Link (EXPERIMENTAL) x x |
| 22:39:08 | jmhodges | x x(04dd) USBD Network idVendor x x |
| 22:39:08 | jmhodges | x x(8004) USBD Network idProduct |
| 22:39:21 | ljp- | push the sync button a few times |
| 22:39:36 | prpplague | goes for beer to celebrate |
| 22:39:40 | jmhodges | feels like hes back with the broken .17 usbdnet |
| 22:39:40 | ljp- | then run your ifconfig line |
| 22:40:02 | jmhodges | ok ran modprobe usbdnet and all gain |
| 22:40:19 | jmhodges | nope |
| 22:40:27 | jmhodges | gkrellm is a beautiful thing |
| 22:41:00 | jmhodges | cries out in rage |
| 22:41:02 | ljp- | pushe dthe sync button a few times? |
| 22:41:12 | jmhodges | yep |
| 22:41:13 | jmhodges | nada |
| 22:41:17 | jmhodges | checked the cords too |
| 22:41:19 | jmhodges | :) |
| 22:41:38 | ljp- | lsmod |
| 22:41:59 | jmhodges | usbdnet 13160 0 (unused) |
| 22:41:59 | ljp- | is usbcore and that in? |
| 22:42:04 | jmhodges | just like before |
| 22:42:14 | jmhodges | holycrap! |
| 22:42:17 | jmhodges | wheres my usbcore! |
| 22:42:36 | jmhodges | grows angry with his .config |
| 22:42:52 | jmhodges | thanks a ton ljp- |
| 22:42:58 | VerxHome | VERY nice |
| 22:43:01 | VerxHome | ok |
| 22:43:10 | VerxHome | now I just have to add the scroll region |
| 22:43:18 | VerxHome | ljp-: I finally got layouts to work like I wanted |
| 22:43:30 | VerxHome | it looks great in both portrait and landscape modes |
| 22:43:55 | ljp- | nice |
| 22:44:11 | VerxHome | I need to figure out how to make the scroll region tho |
| 22:44:14 | ljp- | so it'll also work on the vercel |
| 22:44:15 | VerxHome | shouldn't be too horrible |
| 22:44:16 | jmhodges | now to find my cd case |
| 22:44:35 | VerxHome | once I have the scroll region done, I will tweak the spacing just a tad bit |
| 22:44:40 | VerxHome | but it is looking good |
| 22:44:41 | VerxHome | :) |
| 22:44:57 | VerxHome | I love that I can do 100% of my gui layout in designer |
| 22:44:57 | ljp- | but.. does it DO anything? |
| 22:45:06 | VerxHome | it would take me ages to have done this with code |
| 22:45:09 | VerxHome | ljp-: rofl |
| 22:45:10 | VerxHome | not yet |
| 22:45:11 | VerxHome | it quits |
| 22:45:13 | VerxHome | that's all |
| 22:45:14 | VerxHome | :) |
| 22:45:24 | ljp- | shows widgets and quits.. |
| 22:45:31 | VerxHome | hey now! |
| 22:45:38 | VerxHome | 3 days of coding and I can layout however I want |
| 22:45:41 | VerxHome | and get it to work on the ipaq |
| 22:45:44 | ljp- | I guess you have to start somewhere |
| 22:46:03 | VerxHome | I am not too terribly upset considering I didn't know Qt, C++, Qt Designer, or Visual Studio 3 days ago |
| 22:47:45 | ljp- | well.. the real challenge is in front of you.. making it do stuff |
| 22:48:13 | prpplague | VerxHome: you should try fltk |
| 22:50:27 | jmhodges | ljp-: where does the usbcore module come from? should i M USB support? |
| 22:51:05 | treke|home | nah, making it do stuff isnt the hard part. Its figuring out why it isnt doing stuff quite right |
| 22:51:17 | ljp- | jmhodges: yes |
| 22:51:41 | jmhodges | ah ha! thanks a toooon ljp- |
| 22:53:51 | ljp- | sure |
| 23:06:42 | whardier | my cat is torturing my eardrums |
| 23:07:48 | Cam__ | does anyone here know anything about debugging at assembly level without a symbol table? |
| 23:08:17 | ljp- | assembly is for geeks ;) |
| 23:08:21 | whardier | hahaha |
| 23:08:30 | whardier | Cam__ yeah.. its called plug the red wire in one ear |
| 23:08:33 | whardier | and the greenw ire in the other |
| 23:09:11 | Cam__ | oh well.. it could be worse, it could be ARM assembler... |
| 23:09:30 | ljp- | whardier: that mini-me device from Apogee sounds nice! |
| 23:09:59 | whardier | that looks damn sweet |
| 23:10:22 | whardier | I need to steal Reason from a friend again |
| 23:10:28 | whardier | I erased it thinking I would never use it |
| 23:10:36 | ljp- | ahhh... |
| 23:10:49 | jmhodges | lol |
| 23:11:09 | ljp- | I have that somewhere's in all the gigabites of scsi drives |
| 23:11:30 | whardier | hehehe |
| 23:11:37 | whardier | a friend can just bring me the discs again |
| 23:11:42 | whardier | its faster |
| 23:11:46 | whardier | with me downloading massive amounts of crap allt he time |
| 23:12:17 | ljp- | ahh... I have the special download version for audio professionals |
| 23:12:53 | whardier | haha |
| 23:12:56 | whardier | its special eh? |
| 23:13:09 | ljp- | yup.. |
| 23:13:43 | ljp- | 5 byte discount |
| 23:14:06 | ljp- | I have it for testing purposes only |
| 23:15:18 | ljp- | thinks someone needs to invent a cdrom with the buttons on the TOP |
| 23:15:50 | whardier | 5 byte discound |
| 23:15:51 | whardier | hahaha |
| 23:16:15 | jmhodges | lol |
| 23:16:19 | whardier | ljp- ? just turn it upside down |
| 23:17:03 | ljp- | ha.. then the cd falls out |
| 23:17:19 | ljp- | and so does my drink! ;) |
| 23:17:40 | Cam__ | you'd never train people to put the discs in upside down :) |
| 23:20:00 | whardier | haha |
| 23:23:38 | whardier | *BuuuuuuRRRRRRPPP* |
| 23:24:02 | whardier | I can't wait until I am old |
| 23:24:17 | whardier | so I can lecture people.. and get away with it.. just for shits and giggles |
| 23:24:26 | ljp- | why.. so you can fart dust? |
| 23:24:34 | whardier | haha |
| 23:24:56 | whardier | there is a reason you don't have a girl around the house.. righT? |
| 23:28:14 | ljp- | uhhhh.. I dunnnoo |
| 23:31:15 | ljp- | 'look at me!!.. I'm a drunken cliche!' |
| 23:35:08 | prpplague | on the oz package how is the backlight controled? is there a /proc for the backlight? |
| 23:39:20 | ljp- | its /dev/fl I believe |
| 23:40:20 | ljp- | and its handled by qpe and libqpe |
| 23:40:38 | prpplague | ljp-: i'm using x |
| 23:40:49 | angryBSD- | good lawd |
| 23:41:07 | angryBSD- | damnit did my connection go out again |
| 23:42:01 | VerxHome | ljp-: If I want to take an object and place it into a QScrollView, how would I go about doing that? |
| 23:42:18 | VerxHome | ljp-: Do I make the object derive from QScrollView? Or can the object remain a QWidget? |
| 23:43:27 | ljp- | oh.. in that case.. bl = ioctl( fd, FL_IOCTL_STEP_CONTRAST, bl ); |
| 23:43:54 | VerxHome | ljp-: eh? |
| 23:43:56 | ljp- | VerxHome: I think you can make the scrollview the parent of the tabwidget |
| 23:44:11 | VerxHome | ljp-: Ok, hrm |
| 23:44:20 | VerxHome | tries to find something that shows how to do that. . . |
| 23:45:37 | VerxHome | AHHH |
| 23:45:43 | VerxHome | A Scrollview Qt example |
| 23:45:45 | VerxHome | rejoices |
| 23:45:45 | VerxHome | :) |
| 23:47:28 | ljp- | prpplague: there's also /usr/bin/bl |
| 23:47:45 | VerxHome | ljp-: Do you use the function CHECK_PTR in your code? |
| 23:47:50 | VerxHome | it seems like in the Qt examples |
| 23:47:53 | VerxHome | they use it constantly |
| 23:48:32 | ljp- | prpplague: make that /usr/bin/bl is not on the Z |
| 23:48:39 | ljp- | VerxHome: nope |
| 23:48:45 | VerxHome | k, was just curious |
| 23:49:11 | VerxHome | oh, interesting |
| 23:49:24 | VerxHome | looks like I can make my QScrollView instantiation |
| 23:49:31 | VerxHome | and then simply add my other widget as a child of it |
| 23:49:59 | VerxHome | scrollview->addChild(tabwidget) |
| 23:50:03 | VerxHome | tries it |
| 23:50:07 | VerxHome | looks incredibly simple |
| 23:51:38 | Wembly | *wishs there was a way to determine which usb device relates to which network interface :/ |
| 23:52:05 | darienm | grab some tape and write down what you plug into each port, then slap the label on your computer. |
| 23:54:18 | prpplague | ljp-: thanks, i'll look throught kernel code to see what i can find |
| 23:55:18 | Wembly | wha? |
| 23:55:24 | VerxHome | ok |
| 23:55:39 | VerxHome | to all of you that I was pissing and moaning about how hard it was going to be to learn Qt |
| 23:55:43 | VerxHome | I humbly apologize |
| 23:55:47 | VerxHome | goddamn this is easy |
| 23:56:01 | VerxHome | and to be honest |
| 23:56:06 | VerxHome | I think it is easier than tcl/tk |
| 23:56:11 | VerxHome | I need to give it a bit more time |
| 23:59:24 | VerxHome | hrm |
| 23:59:28 | VerxHome | this is odd to me |
| 23:59:53 | ljp- | qt is very nice, indeed |
