| 00:03:50 | ljp | next |
| 00:06:05 | whardier | now |
| 00:06:11 | whardier | chan 27 |
| 00:06:12 | whardier | heh |
| 00:10:46 | Rince | that just depends on the country |
| 00:10:46 | whardier | http://cgi.ebay.com@195.92.253.3/~ben/lilo/ebay.html |
| 00:21:29 | whardier | I can spin in my chair |
| 00:21:51 | BigBoss | and that is just one of the many talents that whardier possesses |
| 00:21:57 | BigBoss | it's a wonder you are still single :) |
| 00:22:34 | whardier | still! |
| 00:22:35 | whardier | damnit |
| 00:22:38 | whardier | I thought I had hope |
| 00:22:50 | whardier | haha |
| 00:22:54 | whardier | I went to a bar last night |
| 00:23:01 | whardier | I have not been out in a while.. |
| 00:23:08 | whardier | there are a lot of cute butts in this world |
| 00:26:21 | whardier | hey neat |
| 00:26:27 | whardier | I accedently downloaded Monsters Inc |
| 00:34:49 | W|GGL|T | is back (gone 02:24:28) |
| 00:46:29 | y0ssarian | likes the snappy feel of E + gnome |
| 00:46:41 | whardier | like sthe snappy feel of gnome as it whips your back. |
| 01:02:31 | wembly | wheres warmi when ya have a question hehe |
| 01:02:45 | wembly | anyone know anything about asm platform asm? |
| 01:08:28 | Nadav | hm |
| 01:08:38 | Nadav | when did bestbuy lower the price of 5500 to $400?\ |
| 01:08:59 | treke|home | was 450 on friday |
| 01:10:12 | ljp | maybe no ones buying them |
| 01:10:35 | Nadav | i haven't bought one yet :D |
| 01:10:42 | Nadav | I wonder if it'll go down anymore |
| 01:11:23 | whardier | hehe |
| 01:11:24 | whardier | well |
| 01:11:32 | whardier | bestbuy has stopped people from seeing the keyboard |
| 01:11:32 | whardier | heh |
| 01:11:43 | wembly | whardier: actualy i looked at that |
| 01:11:54 | wembly | and the one bestbuy i went to i thought it was cool |
| 01:12:02 | wembly | they left it loose enough so that the keyboard can open up |
| 01:12:07 | wembly | they really should leave the keyboard open tho. |
| 01:12:08 | whardier | the best buy here just locked it down |
| 01:12:13 | whardier | you can't even wiggle or hold the Z |
| 01:12:15 | wembly | cus youd never think that it had a keyboard |
| 01:12:19 | Nadav | yeah |
| 01:12:45 | wembly | which is what is really coolie :) |
| 01:12:56 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/bastard/mp3/essential <- for those late night techno hooked coders |
| 01:13:09 | wembly | mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 01:13:11 | whardier | somet higns aren't complete |
| 01:13:18 | wembly | whardier: im gonna have to grab that url from ya later. |
| 01:13:22 | whardier | and most of those are not Essential mixes |
| 01:13:28 | whardier | but I didn't give a rats ass |
| 01:13:30 | whardier | have fun with em |
| 01:14:37 | wembly | is there an arm emulator? |
| 01:15:09 | ljp | a robot? robot arm? |
| 01:15:13 | ljp | bender |
| 01:15:16 | whardier | hehe |
| 01:16:33 | wembly | ?? |
| 01:16:38 | wembly | no i mean like for the processor hehe |
| 01:24:32 | y0ssarian | wembly: have you seen: http://freshmeat.net/projects/swarm/?topic_id=74 |
| 01:28:44 | wembly | spiffs |
| 01:29:48 | wembly | y0ss: thank you :) |
| 01:29:52 | y0ssarian | np |
| 01:32:14 | jrm | it there a way to force the zaurus to reboot? |
| 01:32:25 | jrm | I just tried to reboot it and now it's stuck |
| 01:34:28 | wembly | ?? |
| 01:34:34 | wembly | the switch on the back you mean? |
| 01:34:52 | wembly | jrm: the normal/backup switch on the back |
| 01:35:04 | wembly | will cut the power. |
| 01:35:04 | jrm | I mean stuck as in the screen is frozen |
| 01:35:10 | wembly | which screen? |
| 01:35:27 | jrm | The lcd screen |
| 01:35:48 | wembly | no |
| 01:35:55 | wembly | what is displayed or was displayed on the screen |
| 01:35:56 | wembly | ? |
| 01:36:07 | jrm | it looks all messed up |
| 01:36:16 | jrm | but it had the reboot screen |
| 01:36:17 | jrm | on it |
| 01:37:52 | jrm | ok, I think I found the button |
| 01:37:57 | jrm | it shut off now |
| 01:47:37 | jyon | hi, anyone awake? |
| 01:47:46 | y0ssarian | yawns |
| 01:47:51 | y0ssarian | barely |
| 01:48:15 | jyon | i am still trying to find something out about the handwriting trainer |
| 01:48:30 | y0ssarian | wassat? |
| 01:48:40 | y0ssarian | i don't really know anything about it tho :( |
| 01:48:44 | jyon | erf. |
| 01:49:00 | jyon | so does anyone on #zaurus actually have one.. like ... near them ? :) |
| 01:49:11 | y0ssarian | oh |
| 01:49:12 | y0ssarian | yeah |
| 01:49:18 | treke|home | what about the handwriting trainer? |
| 01:49:21 | y0ssarian | i thought you had an implementation question or something |
| 01:49:25 | jyon | yeah |
| 01:49:28 | y0ssarian | i have a Z right here |
| 01:49:48 | jyon | well, i wanted to know if you can map to more than just roman characters. can you map say, a smiley fact to some random unicode character? |
| 01:50:00 | jyon | s/fact/face/ |
| 01:50:16 | y0ssarian | hrmm |
| 01:50:44 | jyon | could someone try? from the screenshots, it appears that there is a pulldown menu. i am hoping there is a unicode menu... or something |
| 01:51:05 | treke|home | jyon : not in opie/openzaurus. Maybe if you installed more languages though |
| 01:51:25 | treke|home | I'd like to be able to bind a stroke to a word or phrase |
| 01:51:26 | jyon | treke|home: dont you have a unicode font? |
| 01:51:42 | treke|home | jyon : I believe all the fonts are unicode |
| 01:52:08 | jyon | so maybe it is just limited to roman characters |
| 01:52:19 | jyon | i will bug people on #opie as well |
| 01:53:17 | y0ssarian | jyon: you want to handwrite an extended unicode char? |
| 01:53:33 | jyon | well, actually i wanted to map my own symbols to unicode characters |
| 01:54:12 | y0ssarian | so you want to draw your own symbols and insert them into the system font? |
| 01:54:14 | jyon | if it can map whatever i write to A or a, i dont know why it couldnt map them to unicode fonts.. unless, that is not how the code works.. |
| 01:54:44 | jyon | no, i want to say, draw a smiley face, and have the letter A show up. |
| 01:54:56 | jyon | where A = some random unicode character |
| 01:55:06 | jyon | get it? |
| 01:56:19 | jyon | but if the handwriting trainer is specifically limited to [a-z][A-Z], ie: roman characters, then im barking up the wrong tree. |
| 01:57:23 | ljp | that question might be a good one for the qpe or zaurus mailing lists, so it reaches the right people that can answer it |
| 01:57:31 | jyon | mmkay. |
| 01:57:49 | y0ssarian | jyon: looks like you can make any h.w. char. map to any unicode character |
| 01:57:52 | ljp | qpe-devel would be the best, I think |
| 01:57:54 | jyon | i guess im slightly confused as to the difference between openzaurus/opie & qtopia.. |
| 01:57:58 | y0ssarian | in sharp rom that is |
| 01:58:14 | jyon | y0ssarian: mm cool. then, i might be able to do what i want. |
| 01:58:35 | ljp | oz/opie is a fork of the qtopia cvs from Trolltech. |
| 01:58:46 | jyon | and the rom? |
| 01:59:03 | ljp | is Sharp's own version of qtopia |
| 01:59:17 | jyon | ahh |
| 02:00:50 | jyon | i have been seriously thinking about a zaurus. it appears to be exactly what i want/need. except for the japanese part. i may just need to wait. |
| 02:01:48 | ljp | http://qpe.sourceforge.net/ |
| 02:02:17 | ljp | sign up for that mail list. it'll get to the developers. |
| 02:02:39 | jyon | thanks |
| 02:02:46 | ljp | sharp is going to release a linux z in japan soon |
| 02:03:15 | jyon | that would be nice |
| 02:03:25 | jyon | that would also mean an input method for qt |
| 02:03:50 | treke|home | jyon : actually there is more than just roman characters |
| 02:04:03 | treke|home | jyon : and there already is a japanese input method ( I think) |
| 02:04:10 | ljp | korean |
| 02:04:12 | jyon | treke|home: really? where? |
| 02:04:17 | jyon | korean != japanese |
| 02:04:26 | jyon | korean is ezeepeezey |
| 02:04:28 | treke|home | jyon : I know that |
| 02:05:08 | treke|home | ljp said there would probably be a japanese method, you sounded exceited. assumed you wanted japanese :) |
| 02:05:09 | jyon | actually that hancom office thing supports japanese, so i wonder how they expect you to do input. the pick a character from this here unicode map isnt exactly the more efficient method.. |
| 02:05:23 | treke|home | oops. its a chinese input method |
| 02:05:35 | treke|home | http://sourcefab.cx/indexProject.Home.php?PID=23 |
| 02:05:44 | jyon | well, chinese is closer |
| 02:06:09 | jyon | i spent a good portion of my sunday searching for japanese info re: zaurus |
| 02:07:48 | ljp | probably most of the japanese web sites on zaurus are the older japanese version |
| 02:08:05 | ljp | which doesn't use linux |
| 02:08:21 | treke|home | waits while opie regenerates his handwriting file |
| 02:08:53 | Rolland | is there a decompilier available for the zaurus? |
| 02:09:41 | jyon | ljp: actually, japan has a newer version than what is available in the states. and its not linux either. none of them are. |
| 02:09:43 | y0ssarian | Rolland: there is probably a decomiloer for ARM |
| 02:09:54 | ljp | jyon: if you are around tomorrow US day, ask benmeyer, he could possibly help |
| 02:10:12 | Rolland | is that what the 'exe' file are for Z programs |
| 02:10:15 | ljp | zaurus has been out in japan for year |
| 02:10:30 | treke|home | Rolland : They are arm ELF binaries |
| 02:10:39 | ljp | for years I mean |
| 02:10:48 | jyon | http://ezaurus.com/product/index.html <-- fun models with built in cameras etc |
| 02:11:11 | treke|home | ooh a black zaurus |
| 02:11:11 | ljp | ya, I wish they'd give us those options |
| 02:11:23 | jyon | yeah, for as long as ive lived here, ive never thought about getting one.. mostly because i dont like the idea of !linux... |
| 02:11:51 | jyon | its harder to market that stuff in the west. japaense people buy electronic shit in the bushels. so, its not a hard sell. |
| 02:12:08 | ljp | its only half linux- its made by embedix ;) |
| 02:13:07 | jyon | you know what i mean :) |
| 02:13:31 | ljp | I certainly think they'll have a decent japanese input, seeing as most of the hardware guys are japanese. |
| 02:13:43 | jyon | yeah, well the japanese version does, yes. |
| 02:13:54 | jyon | but i want my friggin' shell. |
| 02:13:59 | ljp | so thats a little closer anyway, I think |
| 02:13:59 | jyon | & my ssh, etc. |
| 02:15:06 | Speedy2 | re |
| 02:15:54 | jyon | since im in japan, i was thinking about the mobile modem thing too. 256mb sd ram & the mobile modem cf and i should be set for trips etc. |
| 02:17:07 | treke|home | Rolland : The author of strategic assault devers to get paid. dont crack it |
| 02:17:35 | ljp | heh too late |
| 02:17:43 | treke|home | [Rolland(~trillian@6532161hfc215.tampabay.rr.com)] is there much of a warez |
| 02:17:43 | treke|home | scene for the Z, I would like to try and crack strategic assault if |
| 02:17:43 | treke|home | there isn't... |
| 02:17:49 | treke|home | [msg(Rolland)] fuck off |
| 02:17:54 | Nadav | ugh |
| 02:20:32 | Speedy2 | How much does Strategic Assault cost? |
| 02:20:40 | treke|home | 10 bucks I think |
| 02:20:57 | Speedy2 | Oh man, $10 is going to KILL ME |
| 02:20:57 | treke|home | z20 |
| 02:20:59 | Speedy2 | bah |
| 02:21:04 | Speedy2 | Stupid d00d. |
| 02:21:06 | treke|home | sorry, 20 |
| 02:21:10 | Speedy2 | Still affordable |
| 02:21:14 | treke|home | plus 6 if you want the expansion |
| 02:21:15 | ljp | 1,000 pennys |
| 02:21:21 | Speedy2 | Shit that's like $50+ is a bit too expensive |
| 02:21:25 | Speedy2 | $20+ is good |
| 02:21:26 | ljp | sounds alot that way |
| 02:22:02 | jyon | would pay for a japanese input method :) |
| 02:22:24 | ljp | 2,000 pennys |
| 02:23:01 | Speedy2 | ugh |
| 02:23:02 | Speedy2 | AT&T suxxxxx |
| 02:23:16 | Speedy2 | If you have a choice between DSL and AT&T cable, please choose DSL or I will beat you |
| 02:23:48 | Nadav | heh |
| 02:24:01 | jrm | AT&T Broadband is evil |
| 02:24:10 | Speedy2 | is forced to export display on UNIX machine and access Mozilla via X via cable |
| 02:24:11 | Speedy2 | ugh |
| 02:24:25 | bill2or3 | ouch |
| 02:24:27 | jyon | /forcenick speedy2 notsospeedy2 |
| 02:24:51 | jyon | thats painful. moz is pretty slow anyway. |
| 02:24:59 | notsoSpeedy2 | Well |
| 02:25:06 | notsoSpeedy2 | more than 80% sites don't work with lynx |
| 02:25:13 | Speedy2 | That's looks too weird, sorry |
| 02:28:25 | treke|home | schweeeet. we have graffiti :) |
| 02:28:50 | Nadav | ? |
| 02:29:27 | Speedy2 | Really? |
| 02:29:28 | Speedy2 | Explain |
| 02:29:55 | jyon | really? real grafitti? |
| 02:31:30 | jrm | Do you guys experience a lot of freezes? |
| 02:33:22 | jrm | I'll take that as a negative |
| 02:33:37 | treke|home | jyon : more or less. Its graffiti remapped into the handwriting input method |
| 02:33:58 | treke|home | It doesnt quite map cleanly, so there are some exceptions, but its basically graffiti :) |
| 02:34:25 | Speedy2 | treke: Who did this? |
| 02:34:28 | treke|home | I did |
| 02:36:12 | Speedy2 | hrm |
| 02:36:18 | Speedy2 | It's not quite clean you say? |
| 02:36:22 | Speedy2 | How good is the current input scheme? |
| 02:37:02 | treke|home | Speedy2 : Things arent divided up the same way as on palmos, so not everything can use the same strokes as real grafiti |
| 02:37:12 | treke|home | in those cases, I left them at the default for qtopia |
| 02:37:33 | treke|home | Speedy2 : Its not bad if you arent used to using a more grafitti like system |
| 02:38:33 | treke|home | Speedy2 : and example the stroke for '}' and '3' are identical in graffiti |
| 02:52:07 | ][N-Flux | is away: Sleep, is for the weak....guess I'm weak |
| 02:55:29 | fusion94 | is away: movie.... |
| 02:59:22 | Speedy2 | treke: So you like the existing input scheme? I haven't really used grafitti |
| 03:00:40 | treke|home | Speedy2 : I dont like using it, but it works well |
| 03:01:14 | treke|home | I'm hands are used to doing things differently. The stock input scheme is much more like regular roman characters |
| 03:04:40 | Speedy2 | treke: Used to doing things differently? Can you elaborate please? |
| 03:05:30 | treke|home | Speedy2 : I'm more used to the strokes from graffity and xstroke. I naturally go towards those style strokes. So recognition is poor for me using the stock scheme |
| 03:06:28 | Speedy2 | I see |
| 03:07:00 | jrm | can anybody guide me towards the best ssh package to install? |
| 03:07:54 | jrm | Bush is talking shit. |
| 03:07:59 | treke|home | Speedy2 : nothing wrong with it, just like switching from a qwerty keyboard to dvorak |
| 03:08:00 | jrm | oops, wrong channel |
| 03:12:25 | darienm | jrm: ssh package is available here http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=5 |
| 03:13:01 | jrm | thank you |
| 03:13:01 | darienm | jrm: and it works fine, except that you have to symlink libz.so.1 to an existing libz.so.1.2.1 or something similar |
| 03:13:12 | jrm | no prob |
| 03:13:28 | darienm | jrm: More details http://zaurus.showportal.net/faq.html |
| 04:30:23 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 04:31:12 | whardier | ? |
| 04:39:20 | W|GGL|T | i was just laughing at his BitchX quit message |
| 05:10:13 | fusion94 | is away: tv & dinner |
| 05:38:23 | codemnky | yo |
| 06:25:10 | sig | hello folks |
| 06:25:12 | sig | SirPsycho-home: |
| 06:25:16 | y0ssarian | hello |
| 06:25:23 | sig | sup y0ssarian |
| 06:25:26 | sig | hows your z doin |
| 06:25:27 | y0ssarian | not much |
| 06:25:30 | y0ssarian | pretty good |
| 06:25:35 | y0ssarian | haven't messed with it today |
| 06:25:40 | sig | I'm looking for a good math application |
| 06:25:47 | y0ssarian | for Z? |
| 06:25:58 | sig | I start summer quarter and i need a real good app |
| 06:26:00 | sig | yeah for my z |
| 06:26:09 | y0ssarian | what class? |
| 06:26:15 | sig | trig |
| 06:26:29 | y0ssarian | hrm, shouldn't need much calculator for trig... |
| 06:26:42 | sig | y0ssarian: trig/calc |
| 06:26:51 | y0ssarian | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=37 |
| 06:26:53 | y0ssarian | seen that one? |
| 06:26:56 | sig | hmm |
| 06:26:58 | sig | let me look |
| 06:27:00 | y0ssarian | it's pretty good |
| 06:27:12 | y0ssarian | sig: you should get a hp48 |
| 06:27:23 | y0ssarian | find one on ebay |
| 06:27:28 | sig | well I have a T-86 |
| 06:27:31 | y0ssarian | ugh |
| 06:27:33 | y0ssarian | hp48 |
| 06:27:43 | sig | but just wanted my z to have a equivilant app |
| 06:27:46 | y0ssarian | i see |
| 06:27:53 | sig | how much is the hp48 calculator? |
| 06:28:20 | y0ssarian | http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&query=48gx&ht=1&itemtimedisp=1&st=2&SortProperty=MetaEndSort&BasicSearch= |
| 06:28:24 | sig | k |
| 06:28:27 | y0ssarian | hp doesn't make them anymore |
| 06:28:32 | sig | hmm |
| 06:28:34 | sig | you have one? |
| 06:28:38 | y0ssarian | yeah |
| 06:28:40 | [DrEvil] | great calculators |
| 06:28:45 | y0ssarian | hp49's are okay also |
| 06:28:48 | y0ssarian | more ram |
| 06:28:49 | y0ssarian | faster |
| 06:28:56 | sig | my next money purchase will probably be a cf camera for my z |
| 06:28:58 | y0ssarian | dunno if you can get them for as cheaply tho |
| 06:29:15 | y0ssarian | sig: that camera looks like shite |
| 06:29:18 | [DrEvil] | HP made a mistake in dropping calculators |
| 06:29:25 | sig | y0ssarian: really |
| 06:29:34 | y0ssarian | yeah, <1 mega pixel |
| 06:29:39 | y0ssarian | for $250 ?? |
| 06:29:41 | sig | hrrmm |
| 06:29:53 | sig | is there any other cameras that will work with it? |
| 06:30:05 | y0ssarian | just get a real digicam that uses cf |
| 06:30:12 | sig | hmm |
| 06:30:18 | sig | or sd |
| 06:30:21 | y0ssarian | or sd |
| 06:30:38 | y0ssarian | i don't really know anything about sd |
| 06:30:42 | sig | yeah, I always am on the net with my z and the netcard is cf |
| 06:30:45 | y0ssarian | true |
| 06:30:46 | sig | I like SD |
| 06:30:50 | sig | thats all I have |
| 06:31:02 | y0ssarian | do sd usb readers work in linux? |
| 06:31:06 | sig | yeah |
| 06:31:18 | sig | I was looking at one that worked in linux at comp usa |
| 06:31:21 | sig | 40 bucks |
| 06:31:28 | sig | I am going to buy it next paycheck |
| 06:31:38 | sig | it had a slot for every kind of card that there was |
| 06:32:03 | sig | when I buy it I'll let you know all the info |
| 06:32:09 | sig | I can't remeber the brand |
| 06:32:21 | sig | it was a reader/writer |
| 06:32:37 | y0ssarian | cool |
| 06:32:48 | y0ssarian | i have a usb cf thingy i bought with my camera |
| 06:32:48 | sig | had a big linux support logo on it |
| 06:32:52 | y0ssarian | cool |
| 06:33:03 | y0ssarian | i had to do some futzing to get it to work |
| 06:33:09 | sig | my digital camera works in linux, gphoto2 |
| 06:33:43 | y0ssarian | mine has a usb-storage mode where it looks just like a usb harddrive |
| 06:33:49 | sig | cool |
| 06:33:54 | sig | this one is like that too |
| 06:33:58 | sig | you can use it like a hd |
| 06:34:04 | y0ssarian | but it drains the battery like a beast when you plug the camera into the usb |
| 06:34:11 | y0ssarian | so i use the cf card reader |
| 06:34:42 | sig | i wish there was more accesories for the z |
| 06:34:47 | sig | I'd like a portable keyboard |
| 06:34:53 | y0ssarian | lol, more money to spend :) |
| 06:34:53 | sig | for faster and easier typing |
| 06:34:57 | sig | yeah |
| 06:34:58 | sig | hehe |
| 06:35:03 | y0ssarian | voice recognition |
| 06:35:13 | y0ssarian | that would be a killer app for a handheld |
| 06:35:20 | sig | yeah |
| 06:35:36 | y0ssarian | but i'm not saying anything that everyone doesn't already know ;) |
| 06:35:45 | treke|home | misses voice recognition on his pda |
| 06:35:53 | treke|home | it was really cool :) |
| 06:36:05 | sig | I just want a good: portable keyboard and something that makes the sound louder for my headphones |
| 06:36:16 | y0ssarian | treke|home: what pda was taht? |
| 06:36:21 | sig | I've noticed that the z isn't that loud when playing music or other sounds |
| 06:36:26 | treke|home | philips nino |
| 06:36:29 | y0ssarian | really |
| 06:36:32 | treke|home | yes |
| 06:36:36 | y0ssarian | was it realtime? |
| 06:36:39 | treke|home | 31 I think |
| 06:36:44 | y0ssarian | like, continuous? |
| 06:36:54 | treke|home | y0ssarian : It wasnt text dictation, but it was handy for voice control |
| 06:37:00 | y0ssarian | ahh |
| 06:37:29 | y0ssarian | sig: just get/make an amplifier |
| 06:37:36 | sig | y0ssarian: heh |
| 06:37:46 | treke|home | you could say "Number John Doe" and it would read off the phone number. You could do a bunch of stuff with it |
| 06:37:48 | sig | yeah, I could rig something up with all the crap i have laying around |
| 06:38:02 | y0ssarian | treke|home: sounds cool |
| 06:38:04 | W|GGL|T | there are headphones with volume control...use that along with the Z's volume control |
| 06:38:07 | W|GGL|T | makes it louder |
| 06:38:26 | treke|home | surprised the Z cant do it... it was a windows ce 2 machine |
| 06:38:28 | W|GGL|T | that's how i do mine |
| 06:38:46 | y0ssarian | treke|home: i'm sure it has the power, just not the application |
| 06:38:55 | y0ssarian | voice recog. is tough |
| 06:38:58 | y0ssarian | to do well |
| 06:39:02 | sig | http://draknor.net/ipaq/entry.php?id=7 |
| 06:40:31 | W|GGL|T | is away: I'm busy smoking a blunt or sleeping or something |
| 06:42:28 | y0ssarian | i saw minority report on friday... |
| 06:42:35 | sig | any good? |
| 06:42:39 | y0ssarian | i loved it |
| 06:42:44 | sig | sweet |
| 06:42:48 | sig | I'll have to go see it tomorrow |
| 06:42:54 | sig | I liked the previews |
| 06:43:06 | y0ssarian | yeah, it was longer than i expected... |
| 06:43:09 | y0ssarian | like 2.25 hr |
| 06:43:16 | y0ssarian | but not slow at all |
| 06:43:17 | sig | y0ssarian: have you looked at how cheap some of the sl_5000 are on ebay? |
| 06:43:25 | y0ssarian | no, how much? |
| 06:43:32 | sig | as low as 250 |
| 06:43:36 | sig | buy now options |
| 06:43:59 | y0ssarian | lol, i stopped looking at ebay...much less tempted to buy crap that way |
| 06:44:07 | sig | lol, yeah |
| 06:45:13 | y0ssarian | sig: what cf ethernet card do you have? |
| 06:45:34 | sig | pretec |
| 06:45:52 | y0ssarian | hmmm |
| 06:45:55 | sig | got it for 99 bucks, it came with a pcmcia adapter |
| 06:46:14 | y0ssarian | i see |
| 06:46:26 | y0ssarian | i think i should get a wireless ap for my apt. |
| 06:46:36 | sig | y0ssarian: yeah we have one here too |
| 06:46:45 | sig | but didn't buy the wireless one for the z |
| 06:46:51 | sig | they are really cheap at bestbuy |
| 06:47:01 | sig | the wireless cf netcards are like 40 bucks |
| 06:47:03 | y0ssarian | yeah, i saw one the other day that was open box |
| 06:47:04 | sig | check ebay |
| 06:47:09 | y0ssarian | at b.b. |
| 06:47:12 | sig | they are really cheat there |
| 06:47:24 | sig | yeah bestbuy has cheap ones |
| 06:47:41 | y0ssarian | i guess it would be way cheaper to get just a card than a full blown ap |
| 06:48:30 | sig | I just hope that they put out more accessories for my z |
| 06:48:39 | sig | there are two things that I really want |
| 06:49:19 | sig | 1. A portable keyboard for more serious typing 2. some of those screen covers that will fit my z |
| 06:49:32 | sig | and some other things that I would just want for fun |
| 06:49:58 | sig | wow, staples carries the z |
| 06:49:58 | y0ssarian | wants a port replicator for Z |
| 06:50:52 | KhensU | wants a tricoder addon ;) |
| 06:50:58 | y0ssarian | one with vga and usb |
| 06:51:02 | KhensU | er corder |
| 06:51:05 | sig | they have them |
| 06:51:15 | sig | the vga attachment |
| 06:51:19 | y0ssarian | relaly |
| 06:51:19 | sig | cf |
| 06:51:21 | sig | yeah |
| 06:51:25 | sig | let me find it for you |
| 06:51:27 | y0ssarian | but drivers? |
| 06:51:29 | sig | I'll get the link |
| 06:51:33 | sig | it is for the z |
| 06:51:35 | sig | just a sec |
| 06:51:37 | y0ssarian | wow |
| 06:51:38 | y0ssarian | k |
| 06:52:51 | sig | just a sec, I have to find the site again, brb |
| 06:56:46 | sig | http://www.pygmy.com/hpc%20vga%20card.htm |
| 06:57:00 | sig | that isn't the site, but that is it i think |
| 06:57:07 | sig | tell me if thats what your looking for |
| 06:57:49 | y0ssarian | that's pcmcia |
| 06:57:58 | sig | just get a adapter |
| 06:58:03 | y0ssarian | i see |
| 06:58:50 | y0ssarian | http://www.sharpplace.com/searchresults.asp?search_id=20&dept_id=39 |
| 06:58:57 | y0ssarian | 5th from the bottom |
| 06:58:58 | sig | wait |
| 06:58:59 | sig | here |
| 06:59:06 | sig | yeah lol |
| 06:59:13 | sig | same url i was just going to paste |
| 06:59:13 | sig | hehe |
| 06:59:16 | sig | found it |
| 06:59:22 | y0ssarian | bow to google--your dark lord |
| 06:59:39 | sig | lol |
| 06:59:40 | sig | yup |
| 06:59:51 | sig | this page has a shitload of accessories for the z |
| 07:00:56 | sig | Now you can display your presentation on large monitors or a projection system, with slide previews, controls and notes on the Mobilon display. Also, take advantage of a second video output. |
| 07:00:56 | sig | $249.99 |
| 07:01:01 | sig | kind of spendy |
| 07:01:19 | sig | but that would impress a few people if you had to do a powerpoint presentation off of your zaurus |
| 07:01:49 | y0ssarian | i've never used the hancom presenter thingy...is it any good? |
| 07:02:51 | sig | y0ssarian: from what I've read it will work perfectly with powerpoint shit |
| 07:03:29 | y0ssarian | is there a cf usb adaptor? |
| 07:03:33 | sig | so you could make a powerpoint presentation from your win32 box and upload it to your z and hancom presenter will convert it flawlessly |
| 07:03:33 | y0ssarian | that would be cool... |
| 07:03:44 | y0ssarian | lol, what win32 box? |
| 07:03:48 | sig | y0ssarian: yeah, my friend had a cf usb thingy |
| 07:04:08 | sig | y0ssarian: heh, the only win32 box here in my house is a 233mhz |
| 07:04:12 | y0ssarian | for ipaq? |
| 07:04:12 | sig | with win98 |
| 07:04:15 | y0ssarian | ick |
| 07:04:20 | sig | ipaq? |
| 07:04:27 | sig | what are you talking about |
| 07:04:28 | y0ssarian | what's the usb-cf thingy? |
| 07:04:34 | y0ssarian | not a reader |
| 07:04:36 | sig | a usb netcard |
| 07:04:42 | y0ssarian | a usb controller that plugs into a cf slot |
| 07:05:06 | sig | y0ssarian: yeah i think there is one |
| 07:05:20 | sig | y0ssarian: have you seen the zaurus emulators for the desktop? |
| 07:05:22 | sig | for coding |
| 07:05:24 | sig | ? |
| 07:05:36 | sig | brb |
| 07:05:39 | y0ssarian | yeah, if you install the sdk, one is included |
| 07:06:37 | y0ssarian | well, not really |
| 07:06:51 | sig | sdk? |
| 07:06:59 | y0ssarian | software dev. kit |
| 07:07:05 | sig | where can i get it at? |
| 07:07:06 | y0ssarian | qtopia + embedix stuff |
| 07:07:13 | y0ssarian | not really an emulator |
| 07:07:24 | y0ssarian | it just is a display that you can run qpe apps on |
| 07:07:30 | sig | its for making and testing apps? |
| 07:07:32 | y0ssarian | but they have to be compiled for x86 |
| 07:07:33 | y0ssarian | yeah |
| 07:07:42 | y0ssarian | doesn't let you run arm binaries |
| 07:07:49 | sig | I see |
| 07:08:04 | sig | is really happy with his linksys router |
| 07:08:26 | y0ssarian | lol, my router is a very old dell |
| 07:08:35 | sig | y0ssarian: do you know c ? |
| 07:08:43 | y0ssarian | sig: yes |
| 07:08:46 | sig | nice |
| 07:08:56 | sig | I'm taking a C class at my college fall quarter |
| 07:08:58 | sig | and perl |
| 07:09:03 | y0ssarian | cool, a perl course? |
| 07:09:17 | sig | yeah |
| 07:09:28 | sig | I want to learn the two very well |
| 07:09:29 | y0ssarian | we have no such thing...i just learned perl on my own and did all of my projects with it |
| 07:09:30 | sig | C and perl |
| 07:09:44 | sig | perl/tk looks cool |
| 07:09:45 | y0ssarian | all the classes here are OO with java |
| 07:09:51 | y0ssarian | *shudder* |
| 07:10:00 | sig | ? |
| 07:10:07 | y0ssarian | is not very fond of java |
| 07:10:20 | sig | oh lol |
| 07:10:34 | sig | Damn, I love my XFCE |
| 07:11:21 | y0ssarian | heh, i like my stupid eyecandy ;) |
| 07:11:28 | sig | gnome? |
| 07:11:30 | sig | or kde? |
| 07:11:33 | sig | hehe |
| 07:11:36 | y0ssarian | enlightenment + gnome |
| 07:11:39 | sig | oh |
| 07:11:43 | sig | that isn't that bad |
| 07:11:52 | y0ssarian | aa fonts are cool |
| 07:11:57 | sig | y0ssarian: here are some linux sshots on a ipaq |
| 07:11:59 | sig | http://sig.ath.cx/community/bansheepdashots/ |
| 07:12:24 | y0ssarian | running microX? |
| 07:12:30 | sig | arm |
| 07:12:54 | y0ssarian | right, but it's not qpe... |
| 07:13:07 | sig | yeah its x |
| 07:13:44 | y0ssarian | lol, some of these screenshots prove that X doesn't translate well to 320x240 |
| 07:13:54 | sig | yeah, some of them look like poop |
| 07:14:32 | sig | some of them run way off the screen |
| 07:15:34 | sig | y0ssarian: I wish that I could find some more appearance apps |
| 07:15:44 | y0ssarian | yeah, that would be nice |
| 07:15:45 | sig | like a background app for my z |
| 07:15:52 | y0ssarian | i'm trying to learn qt... |
| 07:15:56 | sig | like that transparent tux |
| 07:16:06 | y0ssarian | i want to write a better aol im app |
| 07:16:18 | y0ssarian | kinkatta-lite sucks it down |
| 07:16:21 | sig | for the z? |
| 07:16:26 | y0ssarian | ya |
| 07:16:33 | sig | tkcjabber is nice |
| 07:16:35 | y0ssarian | one that uses oscar |
| 07:16:53 | sig | tkcjabber is only good for instant messangers, not for irc |
| 07:16:58 | y0ssarian | i see |
| 07:17:51 | ZKhensU | im on it nosw |
| 07:18:20 | y0ssarian | tkcjabber? |
| 07:18:25 | ZKhensU | ya |
| 07:18:26 | sig | zic is really nice for irc |
| 07:18:40 | sig | you can paste in zic at least |
| 07:18:41 | y0ssarian | yeah, i've used zic a few times |
| 07:18:45 | ZKhensU | i wish zic did multiple servers |
| 07:18:57 | sig | ZKhensU: yeah, it can do multiple channels |
| 07:19:06 | y0ssarian | how does tkcjabber deal with multiple windows? |
| 07:19:12 | sig | y0ssarian: like crap |
| 07:19:15 | y0ssarian | lol |
| 07:19:26 | sig | just close one out and open the other type of deal |
| 07:19:28 | ZKhensU | servers,not channels |
| 07:19:39 | y0ssarian | same as kinkatta-lite then |
| 07:19:45 | y0ssarian | i want one that's like gaim |
| 07:19:47 | sig | I guess |
| 07:19:51 | y0ssarian | plugins for different protocols |
| 07:19:57 | y0ssarian | tabbed im windows |
| 07:20:05 | sig | I use zic for irc and tkcjabber for my IM's |
| 07:20:20 | y0ssarian | when you get a message it should display an icon in the taskbar instead of popping up a window |
| 07:20:31 | wembly | the sharp i/o port has serial stuff. |
| 07:20:37 | wembly | can you access that serial hardware somehow? |
| 07:20:37 | sig | wembly: yup |
| 07:20:38 | ZKhensU | tkcjabber doesn't work on secret channels i've noticed |
| 07:20:49 | wembly | aka can you take an external modem and hook it up to the sharp? |
| 07:20:51 | sig | ZKhensU: yeah, which sucks |
| 07:21:01 | sig | wembly: no idea |
| 07:21:06 | wembly | and then use the sharp to dialup to the net? |
| 07:21:11 | y0ssarian | ZKhensU: so you can't talk to the illumnati with tkcjabber? |
| 07:21:29 | y0ssarian | in their secret channels? |
| 07:21:30 | y0ssarian | ;) |
| 07:21:33 | sig | well I'm going to bed |
| 07:21:37 | y0ssarian | g'night |
| 07:21:40 | y0ssarian | i may do the same |
| 07:21:40 | sig | I got math in the mornin |
| 07:21:44 | sig | cya y0ssarian |
| 07:21:46 | y0ssarian | later |
| 07:21:52 | ZKhensU | heh cabal channels ;) |
| 07:21:57 | y0ssarian | lol |
| 07:23:08 | y0ssarian | wembly: if it lets you hook up to a serial cable then yes |
| 07:23:11 | y0ssarian | which it does |
| 07:23:34 | y0ssarian | so i suppose it would, may need to switch tx and rx |
| 07:26:20 | wembly | herm. |
| 07:26:30 | wembly | thatd be rather interesting hehe |
| 08:18:08 | Twiun | Gooooooooood MORNING! |
| 08:18:22 | y0ssarian | lol, it's bed time |
| 08:19:08 | y0ssarian | is away: sleep |
| 08:28:45 | mark | catalin: hi |
| 08:32:42 | Twiun | mark: hey |
| 08:37:42 | mark | hi Twiun :) |
| 08:46:05 | Twiun | How goes it? |
| 09:08:16 | mark | Twiun: piano exam today ;( |
| 09:13:11 | Twiun | ouch... better stop typing, get practicing! |
| 09:14:21 | mark | heh |
| 09:14:24 | mark | i dont even know what time it is :/ |
| 10:45:29 | NoRemorse | heya |
| 11:23:17 | darienm | <-- Giddy |
| 11:23:24 | darienm | <-- Just got X11 running on his zaurus |
| 11:23:51 | darienm | Was easier than I thought. Much much easier. |
| 11:23:59 | darienm | Nap time. Work in an hour. |
| 13:20:34 | bipolar | is back (gone 64:26:54) |
| 13:23:52 | BigBoss | howdy ho |
| 13:27:24 | Cloud | 'mornin everyone |
| 13:27:48 | Twiun | Heya Cloud |
| 13:28:45 | Cloud | whats's news on this fine Monday morning |
| 13:34:20 | ljp | news is: I dont feel like going in to work .... again |
| 13:35:57 | catalin | call in and tell them you quit :) |
| 13:36:24 | catalin | Modays should be outlawed IMO |
| 13:36:36 | ljp | hmmm.. I'm the boss and the only one there.. so I'd be calling into to myself to quit.. |
| 13:36:39 | BigBoss | then tuesday would just be monday |
| 13:36:51 | Cloud | right |
| 13:39:14 | ljp | then Tuesdays should be outlawed also |
| 13:39:50 | catalin | BigBoss: thank you for your understanding |
| 13:42:11 | BigBoss | hell I'm practically crippled this morning, I'm just glad my commute is 50 feet |
| 13:42:49 | ljp | mine is about 9 blocks |
| 13:43:40 | Cloud | did you play in that softball game yesterday BigBoss? |
| 13:45:24 | BigBoss | saturday - yea, it was a lot of fun |
| 13:45:30 | BigBoss | I ended up pitching, and not hitting or running |
| 13:45:46 | BigBoss | took two hits in the leg, still have the ball stitch marks on my knee :) |
| 13:45:48 | Cloud | that still is hard on the back though isn't it? |
| 13:45:51 | Cloud | owie |
| 13:47:56 | BigBoss | might have been, I took 2 vicodan and was drinking beer, so I was feeling pretty good :) |
| 13:48:46 | Cloud | ah but now you pay for that fun....anyway hope it gets better soon ;) |
| 13:49:42 | BigBoss | thanks |
| 14:25:07 | gash | Cloud: what ended up happening with your husbands pc? was it toast? |
| 14:29:55 | Cloud | gash: no it's going again. I think it just needed a rest |
| 14:29:59 | Cloud | or i did |
| 14:30:14 | Cloud | he went down to check it out and it fired right up :) |
| 14:31:57 | gash | Cloud: cool :) |
| 14:32:27 | gash | Cloud> he went down to check it out and it fired right up :) |
| 14:32:39 | gash | heh that could be taken a number of ways :) |
| 14:32:49 | Cloud | hehe |
| 14:32:57 | Cloud | ok let me rephras |
| 14:33:13 | Cloud | he went downstairs and turned the pc on and it worked just fine ;) |
| 14:33:28 | gash | Cloud: :) |
| 14:33:55 | JasonNJ | morning |
| 14:34:01 | Cloud | hiya |
| 14:35:46 | rodzilla][ | greetings |
| 14:36:33 | rodzilla][ | anybody know what I have to install (in addition to opieplayer) to play mp3's? I keep getting an error from both opieplayer and mediaplayer that I don't have the needed codec to play mp3's |
| 14:37:14 | warmi | hi |
| 14:37:31 | Cloud | hiya warmi |
| 14:37:57 | kergoth | ugh |
| 14:38:06 | kergoth | got rearended on the way into work today |
| 14:38:06 | Cloud | rodzilla][ I don't know the answer. (don't use opieplayer or media player) |
| 14:38:11 | kergoth | morning cloud |
| 14:38:14 | Cloud | ack! you ok kergoth? |
| 14:38:23 | kergoth | yeah .. late for work tho :-) |
| 14:38:25 | treke|home | rodzilla][ : opie-mayplayer |
| 14:38:51 | treke|home | er opie-madplayer |
| 14:39:50 | ljp_work | damn, kergoth- you need to get some voodoo and change your luck lately |
| 14:40:39 | ljp_work | rodzill: you need libmadplugin |
| 14:41:30 | W|GGL|T | is back (gone 08:00:57) |
| 14:44:24 | ljp_work | anyone else think its funny that vorbis is announcing a new video codec... a year in advance? |
| 14:46:51 | ljp_work | its like-> 'hey, I just got a loan to build a new house, c'mon over for the house warming party' |
| 14:50:33 | mark | hi warmi |
| 14:50:37 | mark | hi kergoth |
| 14:54:26 | JasonNJ | mornign kergoth |
| 14:55:14 | warmi | ljp: are they making any money with this stuff (orbis etc)? |
| 14:55:50 | ljp_work | dont know.. |
| 14:55:57 | ljp_work | I know tkc licensed it |
| 14:56:37 | kergoth | hey jason, mark, warmi |
| 14:56:40 | ljp_work | I tried.. but never got word back from mr vorbis ceo on it |
| 14:56:56 | warmi | hi |
| 14:57:07 | warmi | mark: how you doing ? no more sales so far ha ? |
| 14:57:12 | ljp_work | if they are trying to make money off it, they aren't very professional about it |
| 14:57:39 | benmeyer | Morning! |
| 14:57:44 | kergoth | hey ben |
| 14:57:48 | benmeyer | Updated Howtos |
| 14:57:53 | benmeyer | Got a wireless comparision |
| 14:57:54 | mark | warmi: one more. up to 18 :) |
| 14:57:57 | kergoth | nice |
| 14:58:05 | ljp_work | heh do you have a howto for howtos? |
| 14:58:07 | JasonNJ | kergoth: any kernel progress? |
| 14:58:11 | benmeyer | sat on the phone with tech support with a dozen wireless card guys so you don't have to ! |
| 14:58:12 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 14:58:42 | kergoth | JasonNJ: nothing major. making slow progress. busy busy busy. man i got rearended this morning on the way into work. grumble |
| 14:58:47 | benmeyer | lpj_work: sure write up thing on howto do something and e-mail it to meyerb@sharpsec.com |
| 14:58:58 | ljp_work | hehe.. |
| 14:59:00 | JasonNJ | keg: no injuries? |
| 14:59:09 | kergoth | JasonNJ: nah |
| 14:59:11 | warmi | mark: when are you coming out with 1.1 ? |
| 14:59:29 | Cloud | hey benmeyer: that was a very helpful thing you did. thank you...a bit too late for me but good for future reference |
| 14:59:36 | mark | warmi: prolly in a couple of days time |
| 14:59:51 | warmi | Cloud: but it is not too late for me .. |
| 14:59:53 | warmi | hehe |
| 14:59:55 | Cloud | of course i picked the biggest power hogging wifi card :) |
| 14:59:59 | benmeyer | Cloud: yah I needed it to and it (like everything I do) should have been done months ago |
| 15:00:05 | warmi | mark: ok |
| 15:00:13 | benmeyer | Cloud: what one do you have? |
| 15:00:16 | mark | warmi: got some more things to fix up. |
| 15:00:20 | benmeyer | I think I will get the smc one |
| 15:00:26 | benmeyer | didn't relize how small it is |
| 15:00:28 | warmi | mark: don't get too excited .... make then wait for another updates a bit longer |
| 15:00:29 | warmi | hehe |
| 15:00:39 | mark | warmi: how do you indicate to your user that there isa check? |
| 15:00:43 | warmi | otherwise they will expect too much from you |
| 15:01:18 | warmi | mark: that's run time setting .. I highlight tile |
| 15:01:39 | mark | warmi: yeh, thats what I'm gonna do I think. |
| 15:01:47 | warmi | mark: I can't talk on private .. my cgi client is screwed up for some reason |
| 15:01:49 | warmi | hehe |
| 15:02:30 | warmi | mark: next time he has a problem like that ... tell him to record (pgn) the game |
| 15:03:00 | warmi | you can feed it to gnuchess later .. and see how it behaves |
| 15:03:14 | mark | warmi: yeh |
| 15:03:35 | mark | goes back to his rubik's cube |
| 15:07:42 | rodzilla][ | thx |
| 15:15:49 | dupedAgain | anyone have the zaurus camera? |
| 15:19:59 | ljp_work | I heard it was too expensive for the resolution is has |
| 15:31:14 | benmeyer | dupedAgain: it is nifty, but yah the res and color isn't that great |
| 15:31:17 | benmeyer | fun to show off though |
| 15:38:32 | benmeyer | http://opie.handhelds.org/feed/ipaq/opie-wlansetup_1.0-2_arm.ipk |
| 15:38:37 | benmeyer | Is that Wireless Settings? |
| 15:46:42 | JasonNJ | who here wants to test the 5500 rom and sync software update? |
| 15:47:07 | JasonNJ | this is ROM version 2.37 |
| 15:47:17 | JasonNJ | which has a lot of fixes re the sync stuff. |
| 15:47:31 | JasonNJ | also includes new Qtopia desktop and intellisync software. |
| 15:49:21 | mark | benmeyer: yes |
| 15:49:31 | benmeyer | LavaMan is on myzaurus |
| 15:49:32 | benmeyer | yah! |
| 15:49:39 | benmeyer | very fun little game |
| 15:51:29 | kergoth | benmeyer: yes, opie-wlansetup is the wireless settings app. someone is working to integrate it into the network setup app |
| 15:51:34 | Cloud | JasonNJ can i install it from sd card? |
| 15:51:39 | JasonNJ | no takers for the new rom? |
| 15:51:50 | JasonNJ | Cloud: no, but it includes a new program that uploads it via USB |
| 15:51:56 | Cloud | ah ok i'll try it |
| 15:51:59 | JasonNJ | you dont need a CF card anymore |
| 15:52:00 | benmeyer | kergoth: need any help in that? |
| 15:52:11 | kergoth | ah I should throw together a opie app for rom updates too |
| 15:52:30 | JasonNJ | http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/files/5500CD-062402.ZIP |
| 15:52:38 | JasonNJ | thats teh complete CD image of the new software |
| 15:52:50 | W|GGL|T | wants to try it also |
| 15:53:27 | kergoth | benmeyer: you'd want to coordinate with davipt, the guy doing the work on it now. |
| 15:53:59 | mark | JasonNJ: there would be if there was a SL5000 version |
| 15:54:32 | kergoth | mark: if you're bored, you could hack it into working on a 5000d.. hehe |
| 15:54:56 | JasonNJ | mark: there will be a 5000 version |
| 15:54:59 | JasonNJ | its in QA now |
| 15:55:03 | JasonNJ | but I dont have it |
| 15:55:05 | mark | kergoth: how? |
| 15:55:11 | kergoth | JasonNJ: ah glad to hear it |
| 15:55:19 | Cloud | ok doing backup of z now and downloading new rom |
| 15:55:35 | JasonNJ | expecting the 5000 version in maybe a week or so |
| 15:55:44 | kergoth | mark: you'd rip apart the rom, edit the rootfs.. change the startup scripts to handle the different mtdram size.. then use your existing kernel with that rootfs.. like i said, a hack |
| 15:56:16 | JasonNJ | although, in theory, the 5500 ROM is usable if you reflash the kernel area |
| 15:56:33 | Cloud | ok i did the backup utility from z to sd card |
| 15:56:38 | mark | kergoth: woohah, I'm way to lazy for that ;) |
| 15:56:45 | kergoth | mark: hah, figured :-P |
| 15:56:47 | Cloud | anything else i should do before i try the new one? |
| 15:56:56 | JasonNJ | Cloud: nope |
| 15:56:57 | kergoth | benmeyer: got a backup app rewritten yet? |
| 15:57:04 | JasonNJ | you might want to do a final sync |
| 15:57:11 | Cloud | oki |
| 15:57:16 | JasonNJ | cause you will need to reinstall the sync software |
| 15:57:46 | Cloud | ok will that save old stuff when i reinstall? |
| 15:59:06 | benmeyer | kergoth: not yet |
| 15:59:15 | benmeyer | kergoth: working with the ipkg guys to make a lib |
| 15:59:25 | kergoth | benmeyer: oh good. |
| 15:59:26 | benmeyer | to the gui package manager can be smaller and better |
| 15:59:37 | kergoth | yeah, thatd be very sweet |
| 16:00:08 | warmi | benmayer: do they even have C version of ipkg ? |
| 16:00:13 | kergoth | warmi: yep |
| 16:00:35 | warmi | I know opie has one .. is it the same ? |
| 16:00:38 | kergoth | familiar cvs, familiar module.. dist/ipkg/C directory |
| 16:00:44 | kergoth | opie doesnt have one, familiar does |
| 16:00:48 | kergoth | as does openzaurus |
| 16:00:51 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:00:54 | benmeyer | warmi: yes |
| 16:00:56 | warmi | ok ... I must have been confused then |
| 16:01:13 | benmeyer | the official zaurus doesn't use it |
| 16:01:25 | warmi | yeah, lib would be the best .. just like RPM , would allow paople to make custom yet still compatible front ends |
| 16:01:33 | kergoth | yep exactly |
| 16:01:33 | benmeyer | but once I am done getting the lib and the new gui app written I can then push from this side to get it replaced |
| 16:02:34 | dupedAgain | benmeyer: so do you know if the camera has a c or c++ api |
| 16:02:34 | ljp_ | is it blastfamy to run vi from a shell from within emacs? ;) |
| 16:02:51 | benmeyer | don't know, but I don't think so |
| 16:03:08 | benmeyer | not blastfamy, but resource wastfull |
| 16:03:20 | warmi | you are already a sinner for running Emacs in the first palce |
| 16:03:22 | warmi | place even |
| 16:03:28 | dupedAgain | well then how do you use the camera for your own projects |
| 16:03:30 | ljp_ | ya.. running vi in any shel would be wasteful.. |
| 16:03:32 | ljp_ | ducks |
| 16:03:55 | warmi | dupedAgain: usein what way ? |
| 16:04:16 | warmi | automate it in some way , that's what you mean ? |
| 16:04:27 | ljp_ | any word on when an updated rom image for 5000d will ever be released? |
| 16:04:42 | warmi | Jason just said it will |
| 16:04:53 | JasonNJ | yes in a few weeks |
| 16:05:00 | JasonNJ | I should have some rom images shortly |
| 16:05:16 | dupedAgain | well i am writing lets say a ummm address book where you put in the picture too... so you just clik a button and then the camera takes a picture (perhaps using the sharp software) and imports into your program |
| 16:05:28 | dupedAgain | that is abad description but perhaps you udnerstand? |
| 16:06:20 | warmi | yeah, I understand |
| 16:06:25 | dupedAgain | so no |
| 16:06:33 | warmi | I don't know if there is any official way though |
| 16:06:36 | dupedAgain | kinda like twain in photoshop or smoething |
| 16:06:51 | warmi | I haven't seen or even heard about API for accesing camera |
| 16:06:58 | dupedAgain | well that just sucks |
| 16:07:07 | dupedAgain | eyemodule has one on the palm |
| 16:08:02 | warmi | I know Sharp has some sort of software that works with the camera |
| 16:08:26 | warmi | so maybe there is way to do it , undocumented or somerthing like that |
| 16:08:40 | warmi | maybe they just haven't bothered to release it to the public |
| 16:08:51 | dupedAgain | we need it |
| 16:08:54 | ljp_ | runs vi from a shell in emacs, just so he cansay he's done it |
| 16:08:58 | dupedAgain | hmm wonder if i can contact someone |
| 16:09:07 | dupedAgain | good job ljp |
| 16:09:43 | warmi | dupedAgain: talk to benmayer or Jason .. maybe they can ask around if there is way to do what you want to do |
| 16:10:08 | dupedAgain | hmm ok |
| 16:10:09 | dupedAgain | thanks |
| 16:11:14 | dupedAgain | they work for sharp or smothing? |
| 16:11:20 | warmi | yeah |
| 16:12:17 | hunger | Does someone know wether it's possible to rotate the console (textmode, not the terminal in QT) on the Z? |
| 16:12:53 | ljp_ | dont know, but they would be useful, since they insist on setting such a large console font |
| 16:12:57 | JasonNJ | hunger: I dunno |
| 16:13:01 | ljp_ | that would even |
| 16:13:07 | JasonNJ | that sounds like a fb driver issue |
| 16:13:32 | hunger | JasonNJ: The interesting thing is that fbdev is rotated... |
| 16:16:03 | JasonNJ | what the heck is VP3 video |
| 16:16:46 | ljp_ | vorbis vaporware |
| 16:16:51 | catalin | heh |
| 16:18:13 | Cloud | ok JasonNJ all downloaded |
| 16:18:32 | Cloud | are there new instructions? |
| 16:18:39 | dupedAgain | hey how can i make it so that certain things startup when i reboot.... like services? |
| 16:18:49 | JasonNJ | ok unzip it to a directory on your hd |
| 16:18:54 | Cloud | done |
| 16:19:03 | JasonNJ | ok |
| 16:19:15 | dupedAgain | n e one |
| 16:19:18 | JasonNJ | run the autostart program |
| 16:19:24 | jmhodges | ello |
| 16:19:26 | dupedAgain | autostart |
| 16:19:27 | dupedAgain | ? |
| 16:19:47 | JasonNJ | Cloud: its an image of a CD |
| 16:20:00 | Cloud | si.ico? |
| 16:20:07 | JasonNJ | so you want to open the html file at the top level I think |
| 16:20:18 | ljp_ | anyone know how I can shut off the qpe auto restart 'feature' of the sharp rom? |
| 16:20:19 | JasonNJ | normally it autostarts on a windows system if its on a D |
| 16:20:20 | JasonNJ | CD |
| 16:20:53 | Cloud | ok got the html up and i'll follow the instructions |
| 16:21:11 | dupedAgain | o so none knows... ok |
| 16:21:25 | JasonNJ | yeah option 3 uploads the new rom |
| 16:23:09 | dupedAgain | REPEATED : hey how can i make it so that certain programs startup when i reboot.... like mysqlstart and apache? |
| 16:23:25 | Cloud | ok first thing.. the instructions say "When you click on the Continue Button below, the following screen will appear. Please double-click "Setup.exe" to invoke installation program. |
| 16:23:36 | Cloud | it opens window with updaterom.exe in it ;) |
| 16:23:47 | JasonNJ | yeah we are fixing that |
| 16:23:55 | JasonNJ | aesthetic change |
| 16:24:01 | dupedAgain | :) |
| 16:24:05 | JasonNJ | ROM software will be identical though |
| 16:24:09 | Cloud | yep ;) |
| 16:24:38 | Cloud | ok hold a sec before i start.. need to clear some space off |
| 16:24:51 | benmeyer | dupedAgain: did you read the howto |
| 16:25:25 | dupedAgain | where? |
| 16:25:42 | dupedAgain | for which question |
| 16:28:59 | dupedAgain | server manager? |
| 16:38:11 | benmeyer | sorry was on the phone |
| 16:38:14 | benmeyer | yah the server manager |
| 16:38:17 | benmeyer | server howto |
| 16:38:23 | benmeyer | http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos |
| 16:38:27 | | i guess howtos is at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ |
| 16:38:27 | benmeyer | ibot howtos |
| 16:40:35 | Cloud | ok here goes nothing |
| 16:41:51 | dupedAgain | benmeyer: thanks,,, you know anything abou the camera api> |
| 16:45:19 | Cloud | ok lights off..time to reset *crosses fingers* |
| 16:45:41 | benmeyer | nope |
| 16:45:45 | dupedAgain | ok |
| 16:45:47 | dupedAgain | thanks |
| 16:45:56 | dupedAgain | is there a way to find out if there is such an aoi? |
| 16:50:46 | benmeyer | nope |
| 16:51:13 | benmeyer | If it isn't on the website |
| 16:51:19 | benmeyer | then it probably isn't |
| 16:51:21 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 16:51:39 | dupedAgain | well thats not so good |
| 16:51:47 | dupedAgain | what use is hte camera to a developer then |
| 16:52:05 | dupedAgain | even eyemodule released an api for teh palm |
| 16:52:07 | dupedAgain | sucks |
| 16:52:57 | benmeyer | yah |
| 16:53:05 | benmeyer | well getting sharp to release stuff is hard |
| 16:53:15 | benmeyer | but I try |
| 16:53:18 | dupedAgain | :) |
| 16:53:25 | benmeyer | and eventually I can get stuff |
| 16:53:34 | dupedAgain | i mean the more programs that use the camera ... the more demand for the camera |
| 16:53:59 | dupedAgain | some third party camera will come out and the sharp cam will become a novelty and obsolete |
| 16:54:08 | dupedAgain | me thinks |
| 16:54:22 | BigBoss | l |
| 16:54:22 | dupedAgain | heh... i hope yo ucan get it... |
| 16:54:31 | KhensU | hey BigBoss |
| 16:54:35 | dupedAgain | i wana use it on a project |
| 16:54:52 | BigBoss | we'd like to get a camera just to test with tkcGallery |
| 16:54:56 | BigBoss | but haven't been able to |
| 16:55:04 | dupedAgain | BigBoss: whyt? |
| 16:55:39 | Cloud | ok so far so good :) |
| 16:57:31 | benmeyer | BigBoss: you need test meterial for the app? |
| 16:57:36 | benmeyer | from a digital camera? |
| 16:58:19 | Cloud | ok jason rom version 2.37 is installed! |
| 16:58:29 | Neo|Work | morning |
| 16:58:34 | | i heard beta was send a mail to mailto:info@eongames.com if you want to be part of beta tests of future releases. |
| 16:58:34 | Neo|Work | ibot: beta |
| 16:58:36 | Neo|Work | any takers? |
| 16:58:39 | jmhodges | ok i have some ifconfigs that just wont die on my desktop |
| 16:58:55 | jmhodges | anyone know of a more .. aggresive method than kill -9 ? |
| 16:59:00 | jmhodges | cause it aint working |
| 16:59:20 | warmi | haha |
| 16:59:21 | jmhodges | crap.. think i have to reboot.. |
| 16:59:24 | jmhodges | sucks for me.. |
| 16:59:27 | peanut | waves |
| 16:59:30 | warmi | there is nothing beyond kill -9 |
| 16:59:30 | Neo|Work | benmeyer: up for testing a beta of PurpleBlaster? is Jason arond? |
| 16:59:32 | peanut | whens the next sharp rom coming out? |
| 16:59:45 | peanut | any sharpmobile users here? |
| 16:59:53 | jmhodges | warmi: i didnt think so.. |
| 16:59:55 | jmhodges | fsck |
| 16:59:58 | Cloud | JasonNJ can i install new qtopia desktop over the other one or uninstall old, install new |
| 17:00:00 | jmhodges | good lord |
| 17:00:03 | warmi | I mean that sends signal that cannot be cought by an app so that IS the last resort |
| 17:00:11 | jmhodges | watches his undead ifconfigs doe nothging |
| 17:00:37 | peanut | new qtopia desktop? |
| 17:00:40 | Neo|Work | beta anyone? :P |
| 17:00:43 | warmi | jmhodges: ussually you end up with problems like when running apps that can access hardware ( like X server) |
| 17:00:50 | Cloud | peanut testing |
| 17:00:57 | jmhodges | sigh.. |
| 17:01:02 | peanut | ahh.. they're testing it.. |
| 17:01:05 | jmhodges | warmi: so i just reboot correct? |
| 17:01:09 | peanut | where's the copy? |
| 17:01:20 | warmi | that is the only solution I found for that kind of crap |
| 17:01:46 | warmi | jmhodges: what kind of app is that ? |
| 17:01:57 | jmhodges | warmi: its ifconfig |
| 17:02:22 | warmi | yeah, it can access hardware so it is possible that ifconfing is blocking on some port or somethng like that |
| 17:02:52 | warmi | i/o port that is |
| 17:03:17 | jmhodges | they're multiplying! |
| 17:03:20 | jmhodges | holy crap.. |
| 17:03:24 | jmhodges | weeeird |
| 17:03:30 | warmi | hehe .. reboot while you can :-) |
| 17:03:33 | W|GGL|T | hates XP's low performance performance |
| 17:03:40 | W|GGL|T | er |
| 17:03:49 | W|GGL|T | hates XP's low performance compression |
| 17:04:00 | warmi | W|GGL|T: compression ? |
| 17:04:17 | jmhodges | brb |
| 17:05:17 | W|GGL|T | warmi: it takes forever for it to open a compressed file, even a relatively small one |
| 17:05:27 | W|GGL|T | 30ish megabytes |
| 17:06:23 | W|GGL|T | hates XP's low performance in UNcompressing |
| 17:06:26 | warmi | using standart built in unzip code ? |
| 17:06:35 | warmi | have you tried running it with winzip ? |
| 17:06:49 | warmi | I wonder if winzip would be any faster ? |
| 17:07:23 | W|GGL|T | not yet, but after this crap, im definitely going to install winzip |
| 17:07:30 | warmi | heh .. new Japanese SL-A300 Zaurus is running Linux ... I wonder if it is binary compatible with SL-5000 ? |
| 17:07:45 | benmeyer | Neo|Work: sure |
| 17:07:51 | W|GGL|T | they finally decided to go linux, eh? |
| 17:08:20 | warmi | yeah, it doesn't have a keybioard but it is much cheaper than 5500 |
| 17:08:37 | warmi | all of it according to email sent to [ZAurus-General] |
| 17:08:56 | warmi | it does run Qtopia |
| 17:09:01 | warmi | http://www.sharp.co.jp/corporate/news/020624.html |
| 17:10:02 | XavierXeon | looks rather cheap |
| 17:10:23 | XavierXeon | i hope many people will buy it |
| 17:10:40 | warmi | how much is 20,000 nuyen in $$ ? |
| 17:11:00 | W|GGL|T | around $200 |
| 17:11:02 | warmi | suger: you there ? |
| 17:11:04 | W|GGL|T | a bit less |
| 17:11:06 | warmi | sugar |
| 17:11:08 | warmi | hehe |
| 17:11:15 | dupedAgain | anyone read that? |
| 17:11:18 | W|GGL|T | damn...wish i was still there |
| 17:11:24 | warmi | so it is half the price of 5500 |
| 17:11:30 | dupedAgain | yup |
| 17:11:35 | whardier | http://www.sharp.co.jp/corporate/news/020624.html == Xscale |
| 17:11:38 | dupedAgain | amazon has a deal on z's right now |
| 17:12:09 | W|GGL|T | almost everyone does |
| 17:12:34 | JasonNJ | http://sharp-world.com/corporate/news/020624.html |
| 17:12:38 | JasonNJ | right |
| 17:12:40 | JasonNJ | the A300 |
| 17:12:51 | JasonNJ | we are considering doing an american version |
| 17:12:57 | warmi | JasonNJ: do you know if this model will be able to run 5500 binaries ? |
| 17:12:58 | W|GGL|T | it looks ugly |
| 17:13:05 | warmi | no it does not :-) |
| 17:13:18 | JasonNJ | warmi: yes it runs Qtopia |
| 17:13:19 | Cloud | JasonNJ are you still here? |
| 17:13:23 | Cloud | ah hehe guess so |
| 17:13:23 | JasonNJ | cloud yes |
| 17:13:29 | Cloud | ok all installed |
| 17:13:32 | Cloud | data restored |
| 17:13:43 | Cloud | what is new/fixed? |
| 17:13:43 | JasonNJ | Cloud: you did a hard reset first right |
| 17:13:53 | Cloud | yes now running rom 2.37 |
| 17:13:54 | JasonNJ | Cloud: mostly sync stuff, lots of little bugs |
| 17:14:19 | JasonNJ | make sure you update to the latest intellisync or qtopia desktop |
| 17:14:25 | Cloud | qtopia |
| 17:14:42 | warmi | Cloud: ... does it look any different ? |
| 17:14:44 | warmi | heh |
| 17:14:45 | Cloud | was hoping to get prompted when there might be dupes but thats ok |
| 17:14:48 | W|GGL|T | is about to upgrade rom now |
| 17:14:50 | Cloud | not so far |
| 17:15:04 | Cloud | still says "serial |
| 17:15:11 | Cloud | instead of serial/network synch |
| 17:15:47 | Cloud | max! just the man i need to see! |
| 17:15:55 | msmax | Hi. |
| 17:15:59 | whardier | Sharp needs to give us a full PCMCIA slot |
| 17:16:02 | Cloud | hehe hiya |
| 17:16:10 | Cloud | ooh that would be nice whardier ;) |
| 17:16:11 | warmi | A300 specs are similar to 5500 64 Mb RAM ... 320x240 display etc ... |
| 17:16:12 | whardier | for us Weird americans that actualyl want powerfull 802.11 communications |
| 17:16:21 | tux_mike | ugh |
| 17:16:33 | Cloud | ok new qtopia is v 1.5? |
| 17:16:34 | warmi | except CPU is Intel(R) XScaleTM(PXA210A200MHz) |
| 17:16:44 | W|GGL|T | may as well buy a laptop |
| 17:16:53 | whardier | is going to have an IA-64 in his next PDA |
| 17:17:27 | whardier | and its gonna run off of fusion |
| 17:17:39 | warmi | supposedly XScale is slower than ARM 1100 hehe |
| 17:17:57 | whardier | likes transmeta stuff. |
| 17:18:24 | Cloud | JasonNJ: is there anything in particular you'd like me to check for? |
| 17:18:27 | warmi | does XScale support ARM binaries (emulation lyaer perhaps ) ? |
| 17:18:47 | tux_mike | i thought xscale was just another rev of arm |
| 17:18:53 | JasonNJ | Cloud: everything |
| 17:19:15 | JasonNJ | warmi: Xscale is not slower than the strongarm |
| 17:19:20 | JasonNJ | the problem is with the pocket PC OS |
| 17:19:21 | warmi | oh , so we taling here marketing speak .. I thought XScale was a completely new CPU |
| 17:19:31 | warmi | JasonNJ: according to recent /. article , it is |
| 17:19:36 | JasonNJ | has not been optimize for the instruction set |
| 17:19:48 | JasonNJ | we are working on Xscale optimizations for linux |
| 17:20:03 | JasonNJ | in fact they are already implemented by intel |
| 17:20:08 | Cloud | hmm vnc cursor not responding any more |
| 17:20:19 | warmi | http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/06/22/185245&mode=thread&tid=100 |
| 17:20:24 | JasonNJ | yes I read that |
| 17:20:32 | warmi | this one talks about XScale and PocketPC problems |
| 17:20:35 | warmi | yeah |
| 17:20:50 | JasonNJ | however the sloweness is due to the fact that microsoft is using standarld ARM V4 instead of ARM V5 |
| 17:21:01 | JasonNJ | in their binaries |
| 17:21:15 | JasonNJ | thats like running a pentium in 386 mode |
| 17:21:29 | dupedAgain | my reboot frose is there a way to restart it? |
| 17:21:35 | warmi | ah, ok .. still they claim it is slower than coresopnding ARM 1100 cpu |
| 17:21:48 | JasonNJ | it is if the software is not optimized, yes |
| 17:22:01 | dupedAgain | anyone? |
| 17:22:06 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ: so can a v4 binary (say 5500 game) run on xscale (with v5 code)? |
| 17:22:10 | Cloud | can anyone remember how to resync the vnc? |
| 17:22:15 | Neo|Work | I assume that'd work but not the opposite? |
| 17:22:26 | warmi | so what runs slow is basically emulation layer ( or whatever) that makes running old ARM binaries possible |
| 17:22:28 | JasonNJ | NeoTron: yes it will run unmodified |
| 17:22:35 | dupedAgain | anyone??? my reboot frose is there a way to restart it? |
| 17:22:42 | JasonNJ | but a quick recompile will allow for better performance |
| 17:22:56 | JasonNJ | provided the OS itself supports teh binaries |
| 17:22:57 | XavierXeon | duoedAgain : hard reset |
| 17:22:58 | warmi | asuming gcc will support XScale |
| 17:23:10 | JasonNJ | thats correct warmi |
| 17:23:40 | Neo|Work | -march=arm-v5l :-) |
| 17:23:43 | tux_mike | duped: fhat do you mean your reset froze? |
| 17:24:13 | warmi | Neo|Work: does it support v5 already ? |
| 17:24:28 | XavierXeon | it probably shows an unlit start screen and does nothing |
| 17:24:58 | Cloud | vnc started on new rom, although i coudln't do anything with hte cursor.. then it dropped con and i can't reconnect (this is via usb) |
| 17:25:21 | JasonNJ | cloud you have to recalibrate vnc |
| 17:25:23 | warmi | Cloud: you need to reboot vnc server to get your cursor to work |
| 17:25:23 | Neo|Work | warmi: I doubt it but I have no clue |
| 17:25:28 | Neo|Work | warmi: that was just a wish. :P |
| 17:25:29 | warmi | that was the case with the old one as well |
| 17:25:36 | warmi | Neo|Work: ah ok .. |
| 17:25:37 | warmi | heh |
| 17:25:38 | Cloud | hmm can't remember how to do that |
| 17:25:58 | warmi | Cloud: I mean reboot your Z to get vnc cursor to work |
| 17:26:08 | warmi | at least that's how I got my vnc to accept input |
| 17:26:24 | Cloud | ok i restarted qtopia, will reboot i that doesn't work |
| 17:26:37 | dupedAgain | i mean i typed reboot and its just sitting there |
| 17:26:50 | dupedAgain | unilt start screen right XavierXeon witha line |
| 17:26:55 | dupedAgain | do i need to remove battery? |
| 17:26:59 | Cloud | problem is i can't connect to vnc on z any more |
| 17:27:14 | tux_mike | flip the switch in the back, then swithc it back to normal |
| 17:27:19 | XavierXeon | dupedAgain: try the battery switch first. |
| 17:27:23 | warmi | Cloud: are you it is running ? |
| 17:27:36 | dupedAgain | switched... no luck |
| 17:27:39 | Cloud | yes i had it running, then it dropped |
| 17:27:45 | Cloud | wouldn't reconnect |
| 17:27:47 | tux_mike | then try removing the battery |
| 17:27:49 | Cloud | restarted q |
| 17:27:55 | Cloud | now restarting z |
| 17:27:55 | dupedAgain | aaah crap |
| 17:27:59 | dupedAgain | theni looze info ey? |
| 17:28:20 | tux_mike | no, there is a backup battery for the mdtram device |
| 17:28:39 | XavierXeon | dupedAgain : if that does not help,take out battery and hit hard reset button in battery compartment |
| 17:29:00 | dupedAgain | worked XavierXeon |
| 17:29:05 | warmi | you will lose all your custom files and data but it should work 100% |
| 17:29:08 | Cloud | ok all better |
| 17:29:09 | dupedAgain | just battery |
| 17:29:10 | W|GGL|T | 's rom is now being loaded |
| 17:29:58 | dupedAgain | everything got whiped |
| 17:30:23 | dupedAgain | :( |
| 17:30:26 | jmhodges | W|GGL|T: what rom? |
| 17:30:46 | tux_mike | duped: something must have happened to your mtdram device |
| 17:30:50 | W|GGL|T | jmhodges: there's a new rom |
| 17:30:51 | dupedAgain | no kiddin |
| 17:30:56 | W|GGL|T | 2.37 or something like that |
| 17:30:57 | dupedAgain | happend to my friends as well |
| 17:31:02 | W|GGL|T | well, a test rom, i think |
| 17:31:27 | XavierXeon | dupedAgain : you should be a bit more paranoid about you data. I have installed whatever possible to SD and i make a backup of my complete /home dir every day |
| 17:31:34 | dupedAgain | i do |
| 17:31:36 | jmhodges | W|GGL|T: sharp im assuming? |
| 17:31:38 | dupedAgain | i have a backup cf card |
| 17:31:40 | W|GGL|T | yeah |
| 17:31:42 | dupedAgain | no big loss |
| 17:31:50 | W|GGL|T | whoa....buncha inode errors |
| 17:32:05 | dupedAgain | that really sucks tho |
| 17:32:08 | Cloud | dupedAgain youdidn't back up your data? |
| 17:32:10 | dupedAgain | every freeze loss of data? |
| 17:32:19 | tux_mike | no |
| 17:32:21 | dupedAgain | no loss all backed up.. minus one line |
| 17:32:25 | tux_mike | i've never had that happen |
| 17:32:41 | W|GGL|T | brb |
| 17:32:49 | XavierXeon | happens to my Z sometimes |
| 17:32:55 | dupedAgain | that sucks |
| 17:33:46 | Cloud | i haven't had a freeze yet |
| 17:33:54 | Cloud | installing that rom was my first hard reset |
| 17:34:09 | XavierXeon | Cloud : lucky you |
| 17:34:23 | dupedAgain | they need to make a more forceful reboot button.. that i can press to kick it |
| 17:35:23 | tux_mike | flipping that switch in the back should reset it |
| 17:35:41 | Cloud | i've done that before, that usually does the trick |
| 17:36:11 | dupedAgain | hmm |
| 17:36:13 | dupedAgain | darn |
| 17:36:17 | dupedAgain | o well no big loss |
| 17:36:21 | dupedAgain | all restored |
| 17:38:17 | Cloud | JasonNJ is there a list of bug fixes/changes? |
| 17:38:38 | W|GGL|T | ok...looking good so far with rom 2.37 |
| 17:38:51 | W|GGL|T | installing backup from SD card |
| 17:40:07 | W|GGL|T | shit...i bet there isn't an updated qtopiadesktop for linux |
| 17:40:12 | W|GGL|T | :o( |
| 17:40:26 | mark | catalin: just can't work this out atm |
| 17:45:27 | mark | having two -qws is funny |
| 17:46:09 | Neo|Work | funny? heh. :P |
| 17:48:21 | warmi | mark: gnuchess problem ? |
| 17:48:38 | benmeyer | mark: what happens? |
| 17:49:35 | W|GGL|T | Cloud: you get QD working OK? |
| 17:49:38 | W|GGL|T | just wondering |
| 17:50:29 | Cloud | seems to be working |
| 17:50:33 | Cloud | had to uninstall the old one |
| 17:50:37 | Cloud | then install the new one |
| 17:50:49 | W|GGL|T | that's what i'm doing now |
| 17:50:58 | Cloud | was hoping to have the option to pick which file to accept if there's a question, rathere than dupe |
| 17:51:14 | W|GGL|T | i guess this means i can't use QD/Linux anymore |
| 17:51:28 | W|GGL|T | unless they update that one too |
| 17:51:37 | mark | benmeyer: try it :) |
| 17:51:47 | W|GGL|T | i havent had a problem with dupes...yet |
| 17:51:53 | mark | warmi: no, knights thinking something is a draw when it isn't :) |
| 17:53:00 | Cloud | i have in address |
| 17:53:13 | warmi | oh, push it up .. to the original Knight maintainers , that's their bug :-) |
| 17:53:16 | Cloud | and when i get a dupe and try to remove one, it removes both |
| 17:53:16 | W|GGL|T | well, i noticed one thing immediately...QD handshaking is quickfast now |
| 17:53:42 | mark | warmi: heh, I know but I've already got them working on one thing :) |
| 17:53:54 | Cloud | haven't tried wireless yet.. will try that next |
| 17:54:15 | mark | warmi: and i want them to think i'm contributing back. :-) |
| 17:54:25 | warmi | interesting: http://forums.pdabuzz.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=39957 |
| 17:54:49 | warmi | especially "foo fighter's" comment |
| 17:54:57 | warmi | I wonder where did get his "data" from .. |
| 17:55:18 | mark | 'It is also possible that Best Buy is making room for the second generation digital camera equipped Zaurus that has been available in Japan since March.' |
| 17:55:25 | mark | warmi: yeh |
| 17:56:00 | warmi | to tell you the truth I don't think 5500 was a success .. |
| 17:56:23 | warmi | low download figures on myzaurus.com seem to confirm that |
| 17:56:43 | Cloud | you don't think it was? its only been a couple months |
| 17:56:52 | warmi | I love the device but I don't think Shapr was sucesfull penetrating the market |
| 17:56:59 | Cloud | one plus is that it can be found in retail stores |
| 17:57:03 | mark | warmi: yeh. i agree with u. shame |
| 17:57:10 | mark | Cloud: but for how much longer if its not selling |
| 17:57:19 | Cloud | has to be given a chance |
| 17:57:21 | warmi | Cloud: I don't know .. I am just comparing download figures from handango to other PDA devices |
| 17:57:30 | Cloud | i know several people who have pda's |
| 17:57:31 | warmi | yeah, I know .. I hope Sharp will stick with it |
| 17:57:34 | Cloud | now 3 who have z's |
| 17:57:42 | Cloud | 1 or 2 who have compaq |
| 17:57:46 | Cloud | and several with palms |
| 17:57:57 | tux_mike | i should continue my prog now |
| 17:57:58 | Cloud | and 1 with a clie |
| 17:58:03 | warmi | I am not saying that the Zaurus was a complete flop .. |
| 17:58:20 | Neo|Work | warmi: this is just the beginning |
| 17:58:25 | warmi | just that it dind't make a splash a lot of people (including me) hoped for |
| 17:58:31 | Neo|Work | the first try rarely ever works, especially in a market like this |
| 17:58:47 | Neo|Work | sharp is committed |
| 17:58:58 | warmi | Neo|Work: I know but the question is .... is Sharp willing to sink their resources into this product .. |
| 17:59:00 | Neo|Work | so I hope future generation ones will splash more. :) |
| 17:59:14 | warmi | are they patient enought to wait for possible rewards years from now |
| 17:59:15 | Neo|Work | warmi: I believe so or they wouldn't have done it to begin with |
| 17:59:17 | warmi | ? |
| 17:59:40 | Neo|Work | They must understand how hard it would be to add a new player to a market where so many other "new players" have failed |
| 17:59:42 | Cloud | sharp has a good market share for pdas already |
| 17:59:54 | Cloud | its not their only one so hopefully they can go the distance |
| 18:00:12 | warmi | Cloud: yeah, I am sure they will do just fine in Japan but I am talking about USA/European markets |
| 18:00:21 | Neo|Work | especially now when they are going for the japanese market with the linux zauruses too |
| 18:00:37 | Cloud | hey if it goes well in japan, that could carry them through while it penetrates us |
| 18:00:50 | Cloud | europeans i bet will jump at the chance to ditch CE |
| 18:00:53 | warmi | Cloud: could be ... who knows |
| 18:01:00 | warmi | there is nothing wrong with CE |
| 18:01:09 | Neo|Work | I believe Germany might become a relatively successful market |
| 18:01:09 | warmi | you got to stop reading ./ Cloud ? |
| 18:01:10 | Cloud | also.. will take time for some people who have just bought devices to get to buying a new one |
| 18:01:11 | warmi | ;-) |
| 18:01:21 | Neo|Work | they are known to adopt "odd" hardware and stick with it (think Amiga) |
| 18:01:22 | warmi | people are generally happy with CE as they are with Windows |
| 18:01:25 | tux_mike | Qtopia/Opie needs to provide something more than CE though. |
| 18:01:36 | Cloud | like if i had already bought a new compaq i whouldn't have bought the z until the next time i needed pda |
| 18:01:42 | Neo|Work | tux_mike: it needs to, at least, become as good as CE |
| 18:01:42 | warmi | tux_mike: yeah .. more or the same at the lower price |
| 18:01:46 | Neo|Work | meaning become more mature |
| 18:01:58 | Neo|Work | unless the hardware is absolutely superior |
| 18:01:58 | tux_mike | yah |
| 18:02:13 | tux_mike | right now, the Z is just a geek toy |
| 18:02:21 | Nadav | yep |
| 18:02:25 | Harlekin | killefiz_: ping |
| 18:02:46 | jmhodges | hello |
| 18:02:48 | Cloud | if a company wanted to use the z for sometehing in particular, but needed software |
| 18:02:51 | tux_mike | i don't mind though, since i'm a geek and i like toys :) |
| 18:03:01 | tux_mike | but i would like more software. and bejeweled :) |
| 18:03:03 | Cloud | where would they go to have that done? |
| 18:03:12 | kergoth | re |
| 18:03:16 | Harlekin | Cloud: opie |
| 18:03:17 | Harlekin | ,-) |
| 18:03:23 | Cloud | no thats not what i mean |
| 18:03:30 | Cloud | i mean if they need custom aps |
| 18:03:38 | warmi | Cloud: tkc :-) |
| 18:03:52 | warmi | the only commercial company fully supporting Zs |
| 18:03:57 | warmi | heh |
| 18:04:01 | Harlekin | Cloud: yes still opie |
| 18:04:09 | Harlekin | Cloud: better developers |
| 18:04:11 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 18:04:20 | Cloud | hey harlekin any way to get today to pop up on sharp rom? |
| 18:04:28 | Harlekin | Cloud: not sure |
| 18:04:30 | Cloud | oz is not quite ready for prime time |
| 18:04:36 | Harlekin | Cloud: i know nothing about sharp rom |
| 18:04:39 | kergoth | Cloud: you'd have to replace the launcher as well |
| 18:04:41 | Harlekin | Cloud: not yet, i know |
| 18:04:55 | Harlekin | kergoth: i guess there are ways to do it on zaurus too |
| 18:05:02 | Harlekin | kergoth: heard some rumors |
| 18:05:08 | Harlekin | kergoth: but how should i know |
| 18:05:10 | Harlekin | ... |
| 18:05:12 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:05:15 | Harlekin | works on ipaq for me |
| 18:05:16 | W|GGL|T | hrmm....when i delete a file from the documents folder in QD, i can't tell if its actually deleted unless i refresh the screen |
| 18:05:20 | kergoth | would be nice if the z had suspend and resume scripts |
| 18:05:25 | Harlekin | kergoth: btw, cvs reorg finished |
| 18:05:30 | W|GGL|T | should automatically refresh, IMO |
| 18:05:32 | kergoth | Harlekin: yes, i noticed. nice work |
| 18:05:42 | Harlekin | kergoth: 'http://handhelds.org/scap/land.11581.png' |
| 18:05:57 | Harlekin | kergoth: 'http://handhelds.org/scap/land.23766.png' |
| 18:06:15 | kergoth | ah yes, liquid |
| 18:06:16 | kergoth | nice |
| 18:06:21 | Harlekin | is in cvs now |
| 18:06:21 | tux_mike | purdy |
| 18:06:24 | tux_mike | i want :) |
| 18:06:30 | Harlekin | tux_mike: cvs up |
| 18:06:38 | tux_mike | kergoth: update the OZ feed :) |
| 18:06:44 | Harlekin | hehe |
| 18:06:48 | tux_mike | Harlekin: i am having one odd problem with my build |
| 18:06:55 | Harlekin | which |
| 18:07:07 | tux_mike | the fonts are all small when i use my custom opie |
| 18:07:09 | kergoth | tux_mike: I should be able to finish the build one of these days.. i finally got a stable dev box to work on again |
| 18:07:14 | ptreke|latop | Harlekin : oh I am so tempted to do a new build |
| 18:07:21 | tux_mike | kergoth: woot! :) |
| 18:07:40 | tux_mike | kergoth: i do have a good build of the QT/e with ttf support, i should be testing it later today |
| 18:07:42 | Harlekin | tux_mike: you can change them in appearance app |
| 18:07:55 | ptreke|latop | tux_mike: How is performance? |
| 18:07:57 | tux_mike | Harlekin: ok. |
| 18:08:04 | tux_mike | ptreke|latop: haven't tried a ttf yet |
| 18:08:22 | tux_mike | i'm gonna have to rebuild opie now :) |
| 18:08:26 | treke_ | ah cool |
| 18:08:35 | Harlekin | tux_mike: still forgot to reset the default font to "helvetica 10" back |
| 18:08:36 | tux_mike | Harlekin: did you fix the versioning stuff? |
| 18:08:44 | Harlekin | yes |
| 18:08:52 | Harlekin | 0.9.1-timestamp |
| 18:08:54 | tux_mike | so libqpe.so.1.5.1? |
| 18:08:58 | Harlekin | no |
| 18:09:00 | Harlekin | 1.5.0 |
| 18:09:01 | tux_mike | ok |
| 18:09:05 | treke_ | as much as I hate aqua on the desktop, eye candy on a pda is a good thing :) |
| 18:09:07 | tux_mike | that works just the same |
| 18:09:12 | tux_mike | libopie-0.9.1 |
| 18:09:19 | Harlekin | tux_mike: yes |
| 18:09:26 | Harlekin | and all opie stuff on 0.9.1 |
| 18:09:28 | tux_mike | cool :) |
| 18:09:30 | Harlekin | since thats what we are on |
| 18:09:34 | tux_mike | yah |
| 18:09:41 | Harlekin | 1.0 is scheduled November |
| 18:09:43 | tux_mike | this makes more sense than anything :) |
| 18:09:44 | tux_mike | cool |
| 18:09:49 | jmhodges | ack.. having problems with the dif icons.. |
| 18:09:57 | jmhodges | what does gray box + blue ball mean? |
| 18:10:02 | Harlekin | tux_mike: also look at new features as obex beaming, and new irda and cardmon applets |
| 18:10:09 | W|GGL|T | hrmm... |
| 18:10:13 | jmhodges | and red box + grey ball? |
| 18:10:24 | jmhodges | wonders if theres some documentation on this.. |
| 18:10:26 | tux_mike | Harlekin: will do |
| 18:10:33 | W|GGL|T | notes that jcryptpad now has an actual icon instead of the "?" |
| 18:10:43 | Harlekin | tux_mike: and next week, all new network application |
| 18:10:44 | Harlekin | ,.) |
| 18:10:49 | Harlekin | tux_mike: and bluetooth ready |
| 18:11:05 | kergoth | Harlekin: how's the work on the network app progressing? |
| 18:11:09 | tux_mike | Harlekin: will it be able to handle more than just the ethx devs? like wlan0? |
| 18:11:25 | Harlekin | kergoth: its ok, i think next week |
| 18:11:30 | warmi | Harlekin: does current OPIE support plugable look & feel so modules ( the way Qt 3.0 does ) ? |
| 18:11:44 | Harlekin | tux_mike: yes, usb, eth0, wlan, serial, ppp, tcp/ip ..... |
| 18:11:46 | Harlekin | irda |
| 18:11:53 | tux_mike | cool |
| 18:11:59 | Harlekin | warmi: you mean styles? |
| 18:12:05 | Harlekin | warmi: yes, liquid is a style |
| 18:12:11 | Harlekin | warmi: you can install it or not |
| 18:12:14 | Harlekin | whatever you want |
| 18:12:16 | tux_mike | oh, and irdanet, cool. kergoth: we need irdanet in kernel :) |
| 18:12:18 | Harlekin | 40 kb |
| 18:12:42 | Harlekin | kergoth: and allready include ntpdate |
| 18:12:44 | Harlekin | kergoth: please |
| 18:12:50 | warmi | standart Qtopia does not support that ... in 1.5 everything is hardcoded |
| 18:12:58 | Harlekin | warmi: yes, i know .-) |
| 18:13:33 | kergoth | tux_mike: |
| 18:13:34 | kergoth | [kergoth@oemx buildroot-oz]$ cat sources/linux.config | grep IRNET |
| 18:13:35 | kergoth | CONFIG_IRNET=m |
| 18:13:38 | Cloud | JasonNJ who would i send an email with a request for an addition to qtopia desktop's mime.types |
| 18:13:45 | tux_mike | kergoth: cool :) |
| 18:13:50 | Harlekin | warmi: liquid is even useing color shemes |
| 18:13:57 | Harlekin | nothing hardcoded |
| 18:14:10 | benmeyer | Cloud: you would add it to the list as you install your app |
| 18:14:26 | Cloud | not what i mean |
| 18:14:29 | warmi | I wonder how did you implement this ... Qte 2.4 does not have a good support for styles |
| 18:14:29 | Cloud | on the z its fine |
| 18:14:36 | warmi | Qt 3.x though does |
| 18:14:36 | Harlekin | warmi: .-) |
| 18:14:38 | dupedAgain | is there a zaurus keyboard? |
| 18:14:40 | dupedAgain | external |
| 18:14:45 | W|GGL|T | nope |
| 18:14:46 | Cloud | its qtopia desktop that doesn't recognize the file |
| 18:14:56 | Cloud | so yes i can add it myself and did |
| 18:15:00 | Harlekin | dupedAgain: thats a good one |
| 18:15:09 | Harlekin | benmeyer: how do external keyboard performe on zaurus? |
| 18:15:11 | Cloud | just wondering if sharp could add it to qtopia desktop |
| 18:15:14 | warmi | I am not saying it would hard , I am just wondering if you guys backported some KDE 3.x code or is a completely new code base ? |
| 18:15:25 | Harlekin | warmi: no backport from qt3 |
| 18:15:25 | benmeyer | external keyboard? |
| 18:15:45 | Harlekin | benmeyer: will not work right on zaurus if they are not at keyboards i guess |
| 18:15:46 | Harlekin | ,) |
| 18:15:55 | warmi | the thing is that I am sure Qtopia based on Qt 3.x will use Qt 3.x style of handling themes |
| 18:15:58 | Harlekin | benmeyer: or sharp uses our patched QT |
| 18:16:04 | warmi | you will have to modify your code to support that |
| 18:16:28 | Harlekin | benmeyer: but the patch was only merged into qte/3 |
| 18:16:36 | jmhodges | argh .. stupid unfriendly icons |
| 18:16:48 | kergoth | hmm, the new intellisync from the 2.37 rom doesnt like OZ. grumble |
| 18:17:13 | Harlekin | kergoth: maybe exspects a differt version number in that one file |
| 18:17:16 | Harlekin | ... |
| 18:17:27 | kergoth | Harlekin: nope, 2.37 rom has 1.1 in the file, and works fine.. so does oz.. |
| 18:17:31 | kergoth | Harlekin: first thing i checked ;-) |
| 18:17:37 | Harlekin | ok |
| 18:17:56 | Harlekin | kergoth: whats the mmc mountpoint on OZ? |
| 18:18:04 | jmhodges | wtf? |
| 18:18:05 | Harlekin | kergoth: sorry |
| 18:18:06 | kergoth | Harlekin: /mnt/card, same as sharp rom |
| 18:18:07 | Harlekin | not mountpoint |
| 18:18:10 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:18:11 | | opie is the Open Palmtop Integrated Environment. More info can be found at http://opie.handhelds.org or in the #opie channel. or at http://www.opie.info or at http://www.opie.us or most important at http://www.opie.info |
| 18:18:11 | warmi | ibot: opie |
| 18:18:13 | Harlekin | kergoth: /dev/... |
| 18:18:15 | jmhodges | opie.sf.net ? thats the right address right? |
| 18:18:15 | kergoth | ah |
| 18:18:18 | benmeyer | Harlekin: I am not sure what you are saying |
| 18:18:19 | jmhodges | opppps |
| 18:18:20 | jmhodges | sorry] |
| 18:18:25 | jmhodges | n/m |
| 18:18:33 | Harlekin | benmeyer: TT hardcoded the keycodes in qte/2 |
| 18:18:35 | benmeyer | I don't know of a keyboard for the Zaurus that you can buy |
| 18:18:45 | Harlekin | benmeyer: yes |
| 18:18:51 | benmeyer | yes that it true |
| 18:18:56 | Harlekin | benmeyer: and i wanted to know if there are any coming |
| 18:19:12 | Harlekin | benmeyer: stowaway should work |
| 18:19:15 | benmeyer | There are no keybaoard coming from my knoledge |
| 18:19:18 | Harlekin | since they map at keyboards |
| 18:19:22 | Harlekin | benmeyer: k |
| 18:19:32 | Harlekin | benmeyer: is not so important as for ipaq |
| 18:19:36 | warmi | oh man .. that's nasty hack "else if ( style == "Liquid" ) {" |
| 18:19:38 | warmi | hehe |
| 18:19:44 | Harlekin | benmeyer: but maybe some people would like a fullsise |
| 18:19:50 | warmi | not much better than Qtopia I suppose |
| 18:19:51 | Harlekin | warmi: but works |
| 18:19:51 | benmeyer | probably |
| 18:19:52 | warmi | hehe |
| 18:20:02 | Harlekin | warmi: rest is dlopen |
| 18:20:03 | warmi | I know :-) |
| 18:20:30 | warmi | I was just hoping that it would read some external file (settable by user) .. |
| 18:20:47 | warmi | but I guess it has to be done in unified way so future Qtopia will suport it |
| 18:21:08 | Harlekin | warmi: when the move th qte/3.1 happens |
| 18:21:21 | warmi | yeah, that's what I thought |
| 18:21:45 | Harlekin | warmi: i just hope warwick does not that the sql stuff out |
| 18:21:46 | Harlekin | ,.) |
| 18:21:59 | warmi | what for ? |
| 18:22:01 | warmi | sqlite ? |
| 18:22:08 | Harlekin | warmi: hm, maybe in opie case |
| 18:22:10 | tux_mike | sqlite blows! |
| 18:22:18 | warmi | tux_mike: in what sense ? |
| 18:22:22 | Harlekin | warmi: qtopia3 will have its own (but miserable) database |
| 18:22:30 | tux_mike | well in the way it returns values |
| 18:22:36 | benmeyer | offtopic: just heard transformers season 2 will be out in septerber. yummy |
| 18:22:41 | tux_mike | i've had to use char **** with it |
| 18:22:41 | benmeyer | DVD box set |
| 18:22:45 | warmi | Harlekin: something based on standard Unix db files ? |
| 18:23:01 | Harlekin | offtopic : anybody US knows it "Enterprise" pauses right now? |
| 18:23:02 | warmi | tux_mike: you jst have to write a nice C++ wrapper |
| 18:23:11 | Harlekin | warmi: take a look yourself |
| 18:23:16 | tux_mike | warmi: that's what i was trying to do :) |
| 18:23:21 | W|GGL|T | wants a dvd box set of all the robotech episodes |
| 18:23:23 | dupedAgain | damn.. i wish there was an external keyboard for it... |
| 18:23:24 | warmi | the biggest limitation of sqlite is its inability to store binary values |
| 18:23:25 | tux_mike | i prefer bdb |
| 18:23:30 | warmi | you have to hex encode it etc ... |
| 18:23:36 | W|GGL|T | dupedAgain: vnc is your friend :o) |
| 18:23:43 | Harlekin | warmi: ok, but for pim data, it would be enough |
| 18:23:58 | warmi | well, yeah.. I guess |
| 18:24:03 | tux_mike | Harlekin: what about berkleydb? |
| 18:24:10 | W|GGL|T | hrm...gotta make lunch |
| 18:24:12 | W|GGL|T | bbiab |
| 18:24:15 | dupedAgain | yeahi was thning.. i could have a radio keyboard hooked to a comptuer wireless to the zaurus.. and hten thru vnc.. wala ihave external keyboard |
| 18:24:23 | dupedAgain | little impractical i think tho! |
| 18:24:24 | warmi | there are some other problems .. I had to modify sqlite for my own purposes ( to support .5 notation for sorting numbers etc ) |
| 18:24:27 | tux_mike | i've played with it and it looks sutable for a pim store |
| 18:24:27 | warmi | but that's minor |
| 18:24:31 | Harlekin | tux_mike: still looking |
| 18:24:35 | Harlekin | tux_mike: no decision yet |
| 18:24:36 | tux_mike | with a C++ wrapper class |
| 18:24:43 | tux_mike | ok. that's my $2 :) |
| 18:24:48 | Harlekin | tux_mike: but we wanted to team up with gpe in that |
| 18:24:56 | tux_mike | gpe? |
| 18:25:02 | warmi | tux_mike: sqlite biggest plus is that it can use SQL to access data |
| 18:25:03 | Harlekin | that gtk version of opie |
| 18:25:09 | warmi | you don't have to learn new API |
| 18:25:20 | Harlekin | warmi: yes , that was out thought to |
| 18:25:37 | tux_mike | warmi: true, but bdb is pretty easy to get and store data |
| 18:25:49 | Harlekin | warmi: and we think about using it soon |
| 18:26:01 | tux_mike | but, if there is a different embedded SQL api from sqlite, i'd be willing to try it |
| 18:26:04 | Harlekin | warmi: every heard of people with > 3000 todos or addresses? |
| 18:26:04 | Harlekin | ,.) |
| 18:26:12 | warmi | Harlekin: I know sqlite license is very liberal |
| 18:26:20 | warmi | you can do whatever you want |
| 18:26:36 | warmi | Harlekin: I have an app ( for Zaurus) that uses 4 MB db |
| 18:26:43 | warmi | ( 5000 table entries) |
| 18:26:43 | Harlekin | which ne |
| 18:26:47 | Harlekin | which one |
| 18:26:52 | warmi | and it gets slow for access from SD |
| 18:26:59 | warmi | I haven't released it yet :-) |
| 18:27:05 | Harlekin | name |
| 18:27:07 | ljp_ | anyone with 5000 todos has WAY too much to do |
| 18:27:14 | Speedy2 | re |
| 18:27:14 | jmhodges | hunh.. |
| 18:27:32 | tux_mike | anyone who has 5000 todos needs a vacation on the top of that list :) |
| 18:27:34 | Harlekin | ljp_: cant remember, he stores like a drug list in there or something |
| 18:27:41 | warmi | basically SD is slow like hell and sqlite way of scanning file seems to make it even slower |
| 18:27:46 | jmhodges | interesting.. thought i figured out the solution to this.. anyone else having problems with QtopiaDesktop and OZ with linux on the pc |
| 18:27:48 | jmhodges | ? |
| 18:27:50 | warmi | but for small stuff sqlite would be greatr |
| 18:27:56 | Speedy2 | Hey warmi |
| 18:28:06 | warmi | hi Speedy2 |
| 18:28:09 | Harlekin | warmi: 4 mb of pim data is a lot |
| 18:28:17 | warmi | Harlekin: yeah, I know |
| 18:28:25 | tux_mike | warmi: well, whoever is gonna do the interface for sqlite will be sorry :) |
| 18:28:28 | Harlekin | warmi: what does your app do? |
| 18:28:40 | ljp_ | I think people mistake a pda for a desktop machine |
| 18:28:42 | XavierXeon | jmhodges : did you change the security settings ? |
| 18:28:50 | warmi | I got it down to 4 MB from 7 MB :-) |
| 18:28:59 | warmi | using all kinds of tricks for compressing strings etc |
| 18:29:06 | warmi | Harlekin: it is a food database |
| 18:29:08 | jmhodges | XavierXeon: not to my knowledge |
| 18:29:14 | Harlekin | warmi: hehe |
| 18:29:19 | tux_mike | warmi: you made a new app? |
| 18:29:20 | Harlekin | warmi: like for shops? |
| 18:29:30 | jmhodges | XavierXeon: this is the error im getting ... |
| 18:29:31 | warmi | contains 5 000 entried with calories , neutrient values for 5 000 most common foods in US |
| 18:29:31 | jmhodges | Logging in as user root |
| 18:29:31 | jmhodges | PalmtopConnection::QCopConnectionError attempting to connect ppp |
| 18:29:52 | warmi | it is based on US food and drug aministration database |
| 18:30:03 | Harlekin | warmi: use? |
| 18:30:18 | warmi | nice for people who want to know how many calories the taco they are eating now has |
| 18:30:23 | Harlekin | ah |
| 18:30:29 | XavierXeon | jmhodges : i do not use qtopiadesktop, but after changing th ip range under security settings i could ftp to the Z(without password) |
| 18:30:36 | Harlekin | warmi: so you ain at the typical US american .-) |
| 18:30:38 | Harlekin | runs fast |
| 18:30:51 | warmi | I am not US american at all |
| 18:30:54 | warmi | heh |
| 18:31:08 | Harlekin | /ain/aim |
| 18:31:38 | leseb | warmi: USDA? |
| 18:31:49 | warmi | yeah |
| 18:31:58 | warmi | I downloaded 20 MBs access file |
| 18:32:08 | warmi | which I massaged to get it down to 5 MB |
| 18:32:09 | warmi | hehe |
| 18:32:16 | tux_mike | i don't know how many people in the US actually care about caloric intake, i know i don't, but i do belive on a typicall day i'm under 2500 calories. |
| 18:32:16 | jmhodges | XavierXeon: what shouldit read? ive got 192.168.129.0/24 which should be the right network |
| 18:32:19 | Speedy2 | run-time bzip2 it? |
| 18:32:45 | treke_ | Harlekin : the new build on opie.info have that liquid theme? |
| 18:32:50 | warmi | tux_mike: this kind of app :http://www.handango.com/PlatformProductDetail.jsp?siteId=1&jid=AC6176XE7XF17824C36CD27827AXF53E&zsortParams=true&productId=18938&optionId=1_1_2&productType=2&catalog=1&txtSearch=food+database§ionId=0&platformId=1 |
| 18:32:51 | ljp_ | jmhodges: make you you reselect that entry |
| 18:32:57 | Harlekin | treke_: the one tomorrow |
| 18:33:13 | treke_ | ah. cool |
| 18:33:17 | XavierXeon | jmhodges : check the ip settings in qtdesktop also |
| 18:33:19 | warmi | tux_mike: btw I do have C++ wrapper for sqlite |
| 18:33:29 | tux_mike | oh, ok |
| 18:33:38 | Speedy2 | My HP48 calculator has a run-time bzip / bunzip functionality that has little overhead |
| 18:33:41 | treke_ | then I dont need to update today :) |
| 18:33:47 | ljp_ | someone should come up aith a Qt wrapper for VB ;) |
| 18:33:50 | Speedy2 | Programs, text, etc can be unzipped run-time |
| 18:34:11 | Harlekin | treke_: try to update today, and tell us if it works .-) |
| 18:34:38 | jmhodges | hrmph.. maybe i need to run a command to get the ftp server going? i thought so .. but then.. well im stupid |
| 18:35:18 | XavierXeon | jmhodges : try ftp to zaurus from commandline |
| 18:35:49 | tux_mike | kergoth: ping |
| 18:36:05 | Speedy2 | kergoth: pong |
| 18:36:09 | jmhodges | XavierXeon: ftp: No such file or directory |
| 18:36:44 | XavierXeon | jmhodges : on your linux pc ? |
| 18:36:46 | ljp_ | jmhodges port 4242 |
| 18:36:50 | jmhodges | aaaah.. |
| 18:36:54 | jmhodges | theres the rub |
| 18:37:34 | jmhodges | sweeet |
| 18:42:17 | Cloud | hey whats that round thingy on the bottom of the z called? |
| 18:42:34 | W|GGL|T | whoa...hehe...i just ftp'd to my Z for the first time |
| 18:42:55 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 18:43:00 | W|GGL|T | wheel? jog-type dial? joystick? |
| 18:43:00 | jmhodges | same here W|GGL|T |
| 18:43:58 | jmhodges | heh.. ipaq in #zaurus.. something is amiss |
| 18:44:26 | W|GGL|T | unless he's running qtopia :o) |
| 18:44:34 | jmhodges | ;P |
| 18:44:48 | XavierXeon | W|GGL|T : try nfs or samba mount to copy stuff. far more effective |
| 18:44:50 | Harlekin | W|GGL|T: hes running opie |
| 18:45:06 | kergoth | Harlekin: is oipkg usable yet? |
| 18:45:13 | kergoth | Speedy2, tux_mike: pong |
| 18:45:43 | Neo|Work | he is since the IRC client is zic. :P |
| 18:45:43 | jmhodges | XavierXeon: samba? |
| 18:46:08 | jmhodges | XavierXeon: intriguing.. i have a beautiful little samba browser built in to my wm .. |
| 18:46:21 | Harlekin | kergoth: not sure |
| 18:46:30 | Harlekin | kergoth: still some minor issues, ask tille |
| 18:46:34 | kergoth | Harlekin: k |
| 18:46:45 | kergoth | Harlekin: are the opie.info feeds manual or automated atm? |
| 18:46:51 | W|GGL|T | hrmm...not procifient with nfs...samba either |
| 18:46:57 | Harlekin | kergoth: manual |
| 18:47:01 | XavierXeon | jmhodges : http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=220 |
| 18:47:08 | jmhodges | server manager no? |
| 18:47:12 | jmhodges | cooolio |
| 18:47:37 | XavierXeon | there is also a smaba server at ZSI |
| 18:48:08 | tux_mike | kergoth: you got that stuff for opie + oz? |
| 18:48:12 | jmhodges | rightio.. need to get that server manager too.. |
| 18:48:31 | tux_mike | kergoth: if you do, i can make a build for you to update the feed |
| 18:48:37 | jmhodges | uh.. im a complete newb .. doe ipks check dependencies? possibly grab them if the server has them? |
| 18:48:52 | benmeyer | yes |
| 18:48:58 | benmeyer | if they are on the same feed |
| 18:49:47 | W|GGL|T | would like to have a frontend to that samba package :o) |
| 18:49:47 | jmhodges | ah same feed but if say oipkg sees them both they wont grab it? |
| 18:50:09 | kergoth | jmhodges: if you're using OZ, it'll grab dependencies from any feed you have in your ipkg.conf |
| 18:50:26 | jmhodges | ah cool. |
| 18:50:34 | jmhodges | looks around for ipkg.conf.. bets /etc |
| 18:50:37 | kergoth | yep |
| 18:50:42 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 18:50:45 | kergoth | oipkg modifies it in its feed list.. |
| 18:50:49 | Harlekin | kergoth: especially make sure to but the new qpe-base dummy ipk on OZ too ,) |
| 18:50:56 | kergoth | Harlekin: yup i know |
| 18:51:15 | Harlekin | kergoth: provides in ipkg still not ready |
| 18:51:34 | kergoth | Harlekin: unfortunate |
| 18:52:55 | tux_mike | kergoth: do you have those patches? |
| 18:53:00 | W|GGL|T | is starting to build up some good uptime: 5 days |
| 18:53:01 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 18:53:19 | kergoth | tux_mike: hold on, not sure which box i left the patch on |
| 18:53:24 | jmhodges | sorry.. i havent seen a list of all the supported media types OpieMediaPlayer can er.. play.. mpeg1 mp3 and ogg? |
| 18:53:26 | tux_mike | kergoth: k |
| 18:53:55 | tux_mike | hrm... i thought i had more than 4 days uptime on my box |
| 18:54:34 | jmhodges | uh.. smbmount or sambaserver? |
| 18:56:22 | XavierXeon | jmhodges : smbmount to mount directories from your pc, sambaserver mount pc as drive on your pc |
| 18:56:43 | XavierXeon | sambaserver mount z to pc |
| 18:56:55 | jmhodges | ah. |
| 18:57:10 | jmhodges | sambaserver goes on the Z though correct? |
| 18:57:21 | XavierXeon | both go on the z |
| 18:57:32 | jmhodges | sweet |
| 18:57:49 | XavierXeon | see z from pc = smabaserver, see pc from z = smbmount |
| 18:57:59 | jmhodges | cool.. |
| 18:58:09 | jmhodges | thanks a ton XavierXeon |
| 18:59:24 | jmhodges | wb warmi |
| 18:59:31 | warmi | thnkx |
| 19:01:22 | jmhodges | is AdvancedFileBrowser worth the space? |
| 19:01:49 | kergoth | jmhodges: advancedfm? or filebrowser? |
| 19:01:50 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:01:59 | tux_mike | Harlekin: ping |
| 19:02:04 | jmhodges | kergoth: hehe advancedfm |
| 19:02:07 | Harlekin | tux_mike: yo |
| 19:02:12 | jmhodges | already got filebrowser |
| 19:02:24 | tux_mike | Harlekin: who wrote the opie wlan setup? |
| 19:02:33 | Harlekin | tux_mike: benmeyer |
| 19:03:44 | tux_mike | i don't think it should reset the CF if it has anything but a net card in it. it went and ejected and inserted the card with my storage card in it. |
| 19:04:44 | jmhodges | W|GGER? |
| 19:04:50 | W|GGL|T | oops |
| 19:04:55 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 19:05:16 | Neo|Work | 3what is the benefit of using a 200 MHz xscale over a 206 MHz strongarm btw? |
| 19:05:18 | Harlekin | tux_mike: and hangs the ipaq with orinoco card an ad hoc mode |
| 19:05:23 | Neo|Work | the new smaller Z has an xsdcale |
| 19:05:23 | W|GGL|T | was testing something |
| 19:05:38 | warmi | perhaps difference in power consumption ? |
| 19:05:41 | Harlekin | Neo|Work: 200 or 4000 |
| 19:05:44 | Harlekin | Neo|Work: 200 or 400 |
| 19:06:02 | tux_mike | orinoco has a CF card? |
| 19:06:18 | kergoth | tux_mike: ipaq can have pcmcia cards |
| 19:06:24 | tux_mike | oh, that's right. |
| 19:06:27 | tux_mike | stupid me |
| 19:06:33 | Neo|Work | 200 MHz |
| 19:06:37 | Neo|Work | http://sharp-world.com/corporate/news/020624.html |
| 19:06:42 | W|GGL|T | doesn't like the look of the newer Z...looks more like one of them Star Trek pads |
| 19:06:49 | Harlekin | Neo|Work: less power |
| 19:06:52 | Neo|Work | CPU: Intel® XScale?(PXA210, 200 MHz) |
| 19:06:53 | Neo|Work | ok |
| 19:06:54 | Neo|Work | makes sense |
| 19:06:57 | Harlekin | Neo|Work: and 30 % slower |
| 19:07:05 | jmhodges | W|GGL|T: you mean 5500? |
| 19:07:11 | W|GGL|T | no |
| 19:07:18 | W|GGL|T | the one in that link |
| 19:07:27 | Neo|Work | Operating time: Continuous display: approx. 12 hours |
| 19:07:32 | W|GGL|T | damn |
| 19:07:44 | warmi | it has an internal speaker :-) |
| 19:07:46 | warmi | good |
| 19:07:47 | Harlekin | Neo|Work: and it says internal speaker |
| 19:07:54 | ljp_ | I still can't get the command 'beam me up Scottie' to work on my Z yet... |
| 19:07:57 | Neo|Work | smaller, cheaper, slower and less features |
| 19:07:59 | jmhodges | yikes.. |
| 19:08:03 | Neo|Work | it's a budget version |
| 19:08:10 | warmi | beam me up doesn't work anymore ... hehe |
| 19:08:14 | jmhodges | right.. |
| 19:08:20 | XavierXeon | thinks new z needs laser cannons |
| 19:08:20 | Neo|Work | but still cute |
| 19:08:27 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 19:08:31 | jmhodges | you know what.. he never said "Beam me up Scottie" |
| 19:08:32 | tux_mike | Neo: btw, i'll start playing around with purpleblaster after i finish rebuilding opie :) |
| 19:08:50 | jmhodges | i believe he always said "Beam us up Mr. Scott" |
| 19:09:06 | Neo|Work | :) |
| 19:09:07 | warmi | Neo|Work: this should make you happy .. potentialy a lot of customers for your games in Japan |
| 19:09:25 | Neo|Work | perhaps yes |
| 19:09:26 | jmhodges | hm.. i definitely prefer my black cradle to that weird white one |
| 19:09:34 | Neo|Work | however at least purple blaster will have issues with lack of buttons |
| 19:09:34 | W|GGL|T | that's if they buy into linux |
| 19:09:48 | warmi | who kknows ... maybe they will have different color schemes |
| 19:10:23 | warmi | yeah, the only thing you can really count on is stylus input |
| 19:10:46 | warmi | keyboard input should be an additional feature .not required for the game to work |
| 19:10:58 | W|GGL|T | would like his Z to start by him removing the stylus, like the Agenda |
| 19:11:16 | Neo|Work | warmi: purple blaster requires (!) 6 working keys |
| 19:11:30 | Neo|Work | and the problem with qtopia is that so far I don't have a reliable way to grab the hardware keys |
| 19:11:41 | warmi | whoa ... how the hell you are you going to get 6 keys without forcing people to use keyboard hehe |
| 19:11:42 | Neo|Work | so calendar, addressbook, home and mail buttons I can't use |
| 19:11:55 | Neo|Work | the dpad is 5 buttons |
| 19:12:03 | Neo|Work | (l/r/u/d/<button>) |
| 19:12:10 | Neo|Work | and cancel + ok + menu |
| 19:12:17 | warmi | maybe it should be reworked to use stylus .. |
| 19:12:26 | Neo|Work | so on the 5x00 you have 8 buttons you can safely use |
| 19:12:35 | warmi | like some wierd stylus movements to simulate different actions :-) |
| 19:13:02 | Neo|Work | the new zaurus has, I am guessing, 8 buttons total |
| 19:13:13 | Neo|Work | but the problem is to have grabbing working |
| 19:13:16 | ljp_ | and the volume goes up to 11 |
| 19:13:19 | Neo|Work | (well, grabbing works, ungrabbing doesn't) |
| 19:13:56 | Neo|Work | which is a problem because after playing a game, hardware buttons no longer function. :P |
| 19:14:03 | warmi | hehehe |
| 19:14:12 | warmi | that is a problem, indeed |
| 19:14:47 | XavierXeon | please reset zaurus after having played his game |
| 19:14:57 | jmhodges | wonders wtf is wrong with sambaserver... |
| 19:15:19 | tux_mike | wow... this header is getting big |
| 19:15:28 | XavierXeon | jmhodges : did you give z a hostname ? |
| 19:15:36 | jmhodges | hrmph. no. |
| 19:15:47 | jmhodges | and thats probably why my host keygen is not working right now.. |
| 19:15:49 | jmhodges | jesus. |
| 19:17:01 | warmi | jmhopdges:smbd works fine with default samba.conf .. |
| 19:17:09 | warmi | at least it did for me |
| 19:17:22 | warmi | it makes /home writable and / readable |
| 19:17:55 | jmhodges | its just its not showing up in server manager |
| 19:18:20 | warmi | right ... it never did show up for me either |
| 19:18:33 | jmhodges | and oipkg says its not installed |
| 19:18:35 | jmhodges | :( |
| 19:18:35 | warmi | I am just using samba start/stop init.d scripts |
| 19:18:47 | XavierXeon | the z server manager only supports telnet ssh and boa |
| 19:19:38 | jmhodges | XavierXeon: hunh.. well oipkg is being stupid.. |
| 19:19:48 | XavierXeon | why ? |
| 19:20:33 | jmhodges | it says that sambaserver is not installed even after i installed it and now when i tried to install it again .. it wont overwrtie the fiels.. |
| 19:21:42 | XavierXeon | had the same problem. you have to edt /usr/lib/ipkg/status to make it believe it is installed |
| 19:22:57 | jmhodges | ah.. well im doing a -force-reinstall.. i do that afterwards.. |
| 19:23:24 | XavierXeon | if it does install you should not be forced to edit the file |
| 19:23:27 | tux_mike | time to read my book a bit |
| 19:23:51 | jmhodges | XavierXeon: cool thanks |
| 19:23:56 | jmhodges | tux_mike: what book? |
| 19:24:04 | tux_mike | the two towers |
| 19:24:07 | W|GGL|T | i was gonna ask that |
| 19:24:08 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 19:24:38 | XavierXeon | must have read this about 20 times |
| 19:24:40 | jmhodges | cool :) |
| 19:24:43 | jmhodges | whoops |
| 19:24:45 | jmhodges | gtg |
| 19:25:17 | W|GGL|T | two towers = WTC? |
| 19:25:24 | tux_mike | um, no |
| 19:25:35 | tux_mike | second book of the lord of the rings |
| 19:26:03 | W|GGL|T | oh...not really a tolkein (sp) fan |
| 19:27:03 | jerome | hi guys |
| 19:27:32 | ljp_ | hi |
| 19:28:05 | jerome | anyone using the ROM 1.13 ? |
| 19:37:51 | W|GGL|T | damn...when using ZSI, i hate when an opie links dumps me into the feed and i have to wade through and find the right package |
| 20:03:34 | W|GGL|T | i guess opiescreenshots .ipkg doesn't work with sharp's roms |
| 20:03:37 | W|GGL|T | won't install |
| 20:04:23 | ljp_ | there's an ipkg at the zauruszone feeds that works |
| 20:04:42 | W|GGL|T | ahh...ok |
| 20:04:43 | W|GGL|T | thx |
| 20:04:51 | W|GGL|T | got this one from ZSI |
| 20:05:35 | ljp_ | where was the download from? |
| 20:06:53 | ljp_ | nm |
| 20:07:16 | ljp_ | ya that one from the ipaq would need you to force-depends it |
| 20:12:30 | W|GGL|T | is away: I'm busy smoking a blunt or sleeping or something |
| 20:19:11 | sig | sup fellas |
| 20:19:46 | whardier | who beeped? |
| 20:20:03 | wembly | dunno |
| 20:20:06 | wembly | sig? |
| 20:20:08 | sig | no |
| 20:20:12 | sig | just beeped here |
| 20:20:14 | whardier | rolls around laughing |
| 20:20:15 | sig | ? |
| 20:20:27 | sig | smart ass |
| 20:20:41 | whardier | :P |
| 20:20:44 | whardier | sorry.. |
| 20:20:53 | whardier | its a neat trick to form chaos |
| 20:20:55 | whardier | kinda like |
| 20:20:56 | whardier | who farted? |
| 20:21:02 | whardier | who beeped? |
| 20:21:07 | sig | stop |
| 20:21:12 | sig | lol |
| 20:21:20 | whardier | not like I can e-fart |
| 20:21:28 | Cloud | thanks goodness for that |
| 20:21:33 | whardier | haha |
| 20:21:39 | Cloud | hehe hiya whardier :) |
| 20:21:41 | whardier | like those smell making devices |
| 20:21:50 | tux_mike | Harlekin: ping |
| 20:21:55 | Harlekin | yo |
| 20:22:17 | tux_mike | do you have an openopex ipk? |
| 20:22:23 | Cloud | i have a question..you can play mp3/ogg from network drive? |
| 20:22:34 | Cloud | nfs and samba mounted? |
| 20:22:35 | whardier | yeah |
| 20:22:39 | whardier | its just a file |
| 20:22:47 | whardier | thats the wonders of network transparency |
| 20:22:50 | jmhodges | i think i need to learn some samba.. |
| 20:22:56 | jmhodges | looks for one of his books.. |
| 20:23:22 | Harlekin | tux_mike: for ipaq |
| 20:23:30 | Harlekin | tux_mike: yes, its in familiar unstable |
| 20:23:56 | tux_mike | would there be any diferences between ipaq and zaurus versions? |
| 20:24:06 | Harlekin | no idea |
| 20:24:16 | Harlekin | ask kergoth if he has one ready for zaurus |
| 20:24:37 | tux_mike | well, is there any hw specific stuff? i'd imagine not |
| 20:24:57 | Harlekin | maybe depends |
| 20:27:00 | kergoth | package naming in openzaurus is nearly identical to familiar, it should install cleanly |
| 20:28:25 | [DrEvil] | MSpin |
| 20:28:36 | [DrEvil] | CompUSA has some unprotected APs |
| 20:33:13 | sig | whats the url to the handheld mpegs? |
| 20:34:01 | KhensU | http://www.pocketmovies.net/ ? |
| 20:34:10 | sig | danke |
| 20:34:18 | sig | brb |
| 20:37:17 | jmhodges | 240*184 or 320*240 ? |
| 20:37:25 | treke_ | man I hope apple doesnt threaten opie over this liquid style :) |
| 20:37:38 | jmhodges | lol |
| 20:37:44 | sig | treke_: heh |
| 20:38:24 | sig | pocketporn movies |
| 20:38:25 | sig | lol |
| 20:38:46 | jmhodges | sig: which version are you grabbing the larger or smaller ones? |
| 20:38:52 | sig | smaller |
| 20:39:05 | sig | jmhodges: does it matter? |
| 20:39:09 | treke_ | just wait till tkc releases tkcPr0n |
| 20:39:15 | sig | sweet |
| 20:39:17 | sig | lol |
| 20:41:07 | asys3 | treke: what's tkcPrOn in detail ? |
| 20:41:32 | wembly | asys3: it lets you view your pr0n on the new tkcplatform :) |
| 20:41:55 | ljp_work | but only works on the new tkcDevice |
| 20:42:10 | treke_ | which can only run tkcSoftware |
| 20:42:15 | [DrEvil] | until ljp clones it |
| 20:42:39 | treke_ | which is fine because tkc seems intent on writing any apps that users might possibly need :) |
| 20:43:03 | treke_ | they definitly dont have a half assed showing on the Zaurus |
| 20:43:14 | ljp_work | I need an app to warn me when I need to pee.. cantkc write one for me? |
| 20:43:38 | [DrEvil] | tkcPee |
| 20:45:13 | ljp_work | that must have grossed those two out |
| 20:45:21 | [DrEvil] | heh |
| 20:46:09 | [DrEvil] | grrrr |
| 20:46:12 | [DrEvil] | why wont samba start |
| 20:46:19 | ljp_work | I'm waiting for tkcTricorder |
| 20:46:47 | [DrEvil] | I think MSpin should make the kismet_qt interface look like a tricorder |
| 20:47:37 | benmeyer | arggg |
| 20:48:02 | benmeyer | I _hate_ stupid corprate sites that say "your browser sucks" when all they have is plain hmtl |
| 20:48:21 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 20:49:17 | benmeyer | Which then forces me to use Mozzilla with its warped ui sense and flakyness |
| 20:49:24 | benmeyer | I need a beer |
| 20:49:26 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 20:50:16 | ljp_work | benmeyer: did you try the Sharp site about a few months ago? (maybe still like that) |
| 20:50:30 | benmeyer | yah: I was one of the guys who got that changed |
| 20:50:47 | jmhodges | cool |
| 20:50:58 | [DrEvil] | http://totl.net/VirusScanner/? |
| 20:51:01 | [DrEvil] | how about that site |
| 20:51:34 | ljp_work | benmeyer: http://www.sharp.de |
| 20:52:13 | W|GGL|T | is back (gone 00:39:43) |
| 20:52:20 | MSpin | [DrEvil]: I should? |
| 20:52:26 | [DrEvil] | yeah |
| 20:52:29 | [DrEvil] | it would be cool |
| 20:52:47 | MSpin | I need to work on it |
| 20:52:59 | XavierXeon|Z | anybody know where to find the source for wirelesstools ? |
| 20:53:20 | MSpin | XavierXeon|Z: a google search for linux wirelesstools would prolyl find it |
| 20:53:28 | MSpin | it's on Jean's page |
| 20:53:37 | [DrEvil] | grrr |
| 20:53:47 | [DrEvil] | I want the samba stuff in a sane location in my ROM |
| 20:53:52 | [DrEvil] | but no |
| 20:53:56 | [DrEvil] | it can't handle it |
| 20:54:14 | ljp_work | heh nothing like hardcoding paths |
| 20:54:33 | [DrEvil] | and I am scared to xcompile it myself |
| 20:54:36 | [DrEvil] | but I could try |
| 20:54:59 | [DrEvil] | someone didn't include the -i switch for smbd |
| 20:55:04 | [DrEvil] | so it is hard to debug |
| 20:55:18 | jmhodges | uh.. weird.. |
| 20:55:29 | jmhodges | im trying to 'put' stuff on my Z and im just getting errors.. |
| 20:55:48 | jmhodges | ftp> put downloads/ghost_240x136.mpg ghost.mpg |
| 20:55:48 | jmhodges | local: downloads/ghost_240x136.mpg remote: ghost.mpg |
| 20:55:48 | jmhodges | 200 Command okay |
| 20:55:48 | jmhodges | 150 File status okay |
| 20:55:48 | jmhodges | 451 Requested action aborted: local error in processing |
| 20:55:50 | jmhodges | :( |
| 20:56:04 | sig | is there a way to download stuff straight to my SD card? |
| 20:56:36 | benmeyer | Off to dinner |
| 20:56:40 | benmeyer | see you all tomarrow |
| 20:56:46 | MSpin | eastcoasters |
| 20:56:59 | [DrEvil] | damn them |
| 20:57:39 | ljp_work | sig: if you ftp to it.. its mnt/card |
| 20:57:49 | ljp_work | err /mnt/card |
| 20:58:25 | sig | ljp_work: werd |
| 20:58:38 | [DrEvil] | werd to your muther |
| 20:59:39 | sig | heh, i can in opera and konqueror |
| 20:59:47 | sig | just slap the path in to the card |
| 20:59:49 | sig | sweet |
| 20:59:57 | sig | konqueror rocks on my Z |
| 21:04:49 | jmhodges | stupid ftp.. argh.. |
| 21:05:31 | kergoth | ugh |
| 21:05:53 | MSpin | hey kergoth |
| 21:05:55 | jmhodges | ugh? |
| 21:06:08 | [DrEvil] | ugh is right |
| 21:06:14 | [DrEvil] | pleah |
| 21:06:17 | kergoth | hey MSpin |
| 21:06:53 | whardier | SSSHHH!!!!!! |
| 21:06:58 | whardier | is listening too toooool! |
| 21:06:59 | MSpin | be quiet |
| 21:07:10 | jmhodges | wonders what the hell is wrong with his ftp.. |
| 21:07:13 | jmhodges | tool? |
| 21:07:15 | jmhodges | oh |
| 21:07:17 | jmhodges | the band |
| 21:07:18 | jmhodges | smacks his forehead |
| 21:07:28 | whardier | :P |
| 21:07:33 | whardier | TooL!!! |
| 21:11:52 | jmhodges | does the ftp server have a max file size limit? |
| 21:12:13 | BigBoss | oh I just got that tool album the other day that has the anatomy CD cover |
| 21:18:48 | extremis | BigBoss: when is tkctodo coming? |
| 21:23:00 | BigBoss | extremis: being worked on at the moment |
| 21:23:06 | BigBoss | as are about 8 other embedded apps |
| 21:23:58 | gash0rz | how about tckYouDontAutomaticallyGetSignedUpForOurMailingList? :) |
| 21:24:02 | ljp_work | so when are you releasing the tkcTricoder device running on tkcLinux? |
| 21:29:21 | jmhodges | anyone every gotten a 451 error from there OZ rom's ftp? |
| 21:29:27 | BigBoss | you can't please all the people all the time so we have to make some allowances |
| 21:29:47 | noidd | lots of people :-0 |
| 21:29:55 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: man you pump out a lot of apps. stop it. ;-) |
| 21:31:39 | BigBoss | why? :) |
| 21:32:14 | ljp_work | thats because I let them use clonelib |
| 21:32:39 | Neo|Work | because you dwarf everyone elses efforts. ;-P |
| 21:33:48 | BigBoss | so? |
| 21:34:04 | Neo|Work | that's mean! |
| 21:34:08 | Neo|Work | isn't really serious. |
| 21:34:22 | BigBoss | i know you're not :) |
| 21:34:29 | noidd | this may sound silly - but following the links from sharps site I don't actually find many apps |
| 21:34:36 | BigBoss | we've got about 15 more apps that we are specifically going to do |
| 21:34:44 | BigBoss | then we'll see what else comes up |
| 21:34:52 | noidd | coudl you point me at a better resource for open source applications for me to learn from? |
| 21:34:57 | KhensU | ugh I'm gonna need more RAM! |
| 21:35:22 | ljp_work | noidd: http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 21:35:58 | noidd | ah ha! |
| 21:36:25 | noidd | btopenwoe ;-) |
| 21:36:27 | ep0ch | helloooooooooo |
| 21:36:33 | ep0ch | :) |
| 21:39:00 | noidd | quake on a handhelp |
| 21:39:07 | noidd | quake on a handheld |
| 21:39:24 | noidd | my world is complete |
| 21:39:52 | ep0ch | hmmm :s |
| 21:40:06 | ep0ch | doom or wolf3d would be better |
| 21:40:47 | ljp_work | too bad quake on a handheld doesn't entirely work |
| 21:41:10 | Neo|Work | to be honest ported FPS games are hardly playable on a handhelt |
| 21:41:21 | Neo|Work | native ones, with controls written for the native device, might be different |
| 21:41:31 | Neo|Work | but even then I doubt about real plability to be honest |
| 21:41:38 | gash0rz | why do people say "to be honest"? are they lying the rest of the time? |
| 21:41:45 | kergoth | gash0rz: yes |
| 21:41:47 | kergoth | :-P |
| 21:41:52 | ep0ch | :) |
| 21:42:05 | warmi | hehehe |
| 21:42:08 | gash0rz | ok, figured ) |
| 21:42:24 | noidd | playability is irrelevant |
| 21:42:33 | noidd | cool factor > all |
| 21:42:34 | ep0ch | kergoth, while you're here, can i ask you a question? |
| 21:42:41 | kergoth | ep0ch: ask away |
| 21:42:55 | ep0ch | where do your OZ builds live these days? |
| 21:43:01 | kergoth | ep0ch: SF |
| 21:43:08 | ep0ch | beta 10? |
| 21:43:13 | ljp_work | where else.. in Oz! |
| 21:43:19 | ep0ch | once upon a time.... |
| 21:43:20 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:43:34 | ep0ch | http://geezer.umgllc.net/kergoth/??? |
| 21:43:55 | kergoth | ep0ch: down. cant use that box anymore. heh |
| 21:44:02 | ep0ch | bah |
| 21:44:16 | ep0ch | beta10 is old!!!! |
| 21:44:18 | ep0ch | ;) |
| 21:46:27 | ljp_work | send kergoth some money... he'll get to it faster |
| 21:46:36 | kergoth | send me time |
| 21:46:38 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:46:55 | ep0ch | ok i'll reset myself |
| 21:47:05 | ep0ch | 1970 here we go |
| 21:47:07 | ep0ch | ;) |
| 21:48:03 | ljp_work | man, I'm older than unixtime! |
| 21:48:19 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:48:19 | ep0ch | :o |
| 21:51:52 | Cloud | - |
| 21:53:41 | whardier | | |
| 21:53:55 | whardier | ljp_work hahaha |
| 21:54:06 | ljp_work | its true.. |
| 21:54:47 | ep0ch | -/|\-/|\ |
| 21:54:55 | whardier | thats just neat tho |
| 21:55:20 | ljp_work | its neat being older than unixtime? |
| 21:55:37 | whardier | yeah |
| 21:55:45 | whardier | you were alive when unixtime = 0 |
| 21:55:54 | VerxHome | so was I |
| 21:55:55 | VerxHome | rofl |
| 21:55:59 | whardier | hehe |
| 21:56:05 | whardier | I was 9 years too late for that |
| 21:56:06 | VerxHome | though just barely |
| 21:56:23 | whardier | err |
| 21:56:30 | whardier | I wanna find out who was born on the epoch |
| 21:56:46 | ep0ch | "the one" |
| 21:56:49 | y0ssarian | hrm, has anyone installed X on their Z? |
| 21:56:51 | whardier | hahaha |
| 21:57:02 | whardier | quite a few people have |
| 21:57:07 | whardier | I have yet to install X |
| 21:57:13 | y0ssarian | my fonts don't seem to be working :( |
| 21:57:16 | ljp_work | so.. if I was born before unitxtime.. does that mean I'm only as old as unixtime? |
| 21:57:28 | ljp_work | if so, I feel better |
| 21:57:43 | whardier | heh |
| 21:57:45 | ep0ch | no. it makes you an old git :p |
| 21:59:00 | ljp_work | bbl |
| 21:59:23 | KhensU | glad I was born a year later then |
| 22:00:30 | y0ssarian | whenever i run wm i get this error: |
| 22:00:32 | y0ssarian | IceWM: Warning: Could not load font "-adobe-helvetica-bold-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-*-*-*-*". |
| 22:00:49 | y0ssarian | and like 10 different fonts that it can't load |
| 22:12:15 | darienm | y0ssarian: Im running X on my Zaurus (as of yesterday) |
| 22:12:56 | darienm | y0ssarian: But now I'm scouring for a post I read about having to disable something before running X and then again re-enabling it before launching qpe or the Z doesnt wake from sleep. |
| 22:13:58 | darienm | I read recently someone had created an .ipk that adds an application to Qtopia, and another to the Xwindow menu that does all this starting-stopping as you switch from environment to environment. |
| 22:14:13 | darienm | Wish I could find it again :( |
| 22:16:48 | Dilbert- | Lo |
| 22:17:10 | W|GGL|T | Hi |
| 22:23:42 | warmi | darienm: how's X on Z ? |
| 22:23:49 | warmi | is it faster than Qtopia ? |
| 22:23:56 | warmi | btw .. which WM are you running ? |
| 22:24:13 | darienm | So far I've only done a few things... but I'm very happy with the window manager it came with on the sourceforge feed (ice) |
| 22:24:37 | darienm | I used it to connect over the network to an application (written in tcl, irrelevant) that administers my halflife server. |
| 22:24:42 | darienm | Worked like a charm. |
| 22:25:12 | darienm | its a lot easier to get up and running than I thought it would be. Nothing 'sneaky' at all. |
| 22:25:33 | warmi | still, majority of apps won't run properly since most of them expect something bigget than 320 x200 to work with |
| 22:25:37 | darienm | The only glitch is that now that X is installed, the system doesn't wake from suspend. But I read about a fix, only now I can't find it. |
| 22:25:47 | warmi | unless you are running virtual desktop or something like that |
| 22:26:09 | darienm | My particular application expected something along 640x480, but it scaled incredibly nicely. |
| 22:26:15 | darienm | I was really surprised. |
| 22:26:30 | warmi | anyway, you still need to install motif/gtk/qt library to get anything running :-) |
| 22:26:48 | darienm | No, not really. Not if I'm running the apps remotely. |
| 22:26:52 | darienm | I've already proven that.. |
| 22:27:16 | darienm | My main use will be to run remote apps on the Z thru ssh. |
| 22:27:41 | warmi | yeah, I guess that would work |
| 22:28:11 | warmi | well, I don't like X all that much so I will stay with Qtopia :-) |
| 22:29:30 | darienm | Oh, I plan on using Qtopia 90% of the time. But there are a few programs I need to monitor that run in X. So now I can ... from anywhere (once the mobile services become active) |
| 22:30:22 | warmi | uhh ... I can't image running X over mobile :-) .. not with the current Sharp offering |
| 22:30:33 | warmi | I have heard it barely gets 1-2 kbs per second |
| 22:30:53 | warmi | but in theory it would work very nice |
| 22:31:05 | warmi | instant connectivity over ssh from everythere |
| 22:31:28 | warmi | everywhere even |
| 22:33:30 | darienm | well, the state of the mobile connection is yet to be seen. Maybe I'll have to fall back on dialup, or borrowing ethernet connections. |
| 22:34:19 | warmi | darienm: I gather you works as a sysadmin right ? |
| 22:34:49 | darienm | not specifically. I'm president of a web-development company. I have a bank of servers and other goodies I like to keep a close eye on. |
| 22:34:56 | warmi | oh ok |
| 22:35:42 | darienm | On my Mac OS X desktop I'm constantly running XDarwin and have all sorts of apps open. (I love it) |
| 22:37:03 | darienm | BTW: I noticed in a may posting you were considering working on rdesktop for the Z. I'm talking to someone who already compiled version 1.0.0 for it -- and it runs, but won't connect. So he's trying 1.1.0 this weekend and I'll try again. |
| 22:37:26 | darienm | another reason for Xwindows -- rdesktop |
| 22:37:41 | warmi | really ... I still have source code for rdesktop and gtk version on my HD .. jsut never had a time to get to work on it yet |
| 22:37:59 | warmi | compiled version for X right ? |
| 22:38:35 | warmi | yeah, my idea was to port it to Qtopia , basically make it a native Qtopia app |
| 22:39:04 | warmi | would be very usefull for people who want to access their Windows 2000 boxes |
| 22:39:19 | warmi | definately faster than using vnc or similar stuff |
| 22:40:16 | darienm | right -- well since running X is such a snap -- there might not be a need to make it specifically for Qtopia -- although I agree it would be very nice. |
| 22:40:56 | warmi | how big is X distro for the Zaurus ? |
| 22:41:06 | warmi | I mean everything including xlib , fonts etc .. ? |
| 22:41:12 | darienm | one second.. it wasn't bad. 2 mb... maybe. |
| 22:41:24 | warmi | yeah, that's not bad |
| 22:41:50 | warmi | well, nice thing abour rdesktop is that it doesn't require any 3rd party widget lib to run |
| 22:41:56 | warmi | it runs on top of xlib |
| 22:42:11 | darienm | icewm_1.0.9-5_arm.ipk217213 1043 OtherOther |
| 22:42:16 | darienm | x11zaurus_0.8_arm.ipk1583403 1427 OtherOther |
| 22:42:22 | darienm | Just under 2 Mb. |
| 22:42:27 | warmi | yeah, not bad |
| 22:42:33 | tux_mike | yum yum. lou malnati's :9 |
| 22:53:16 | W|GGL|T | wonders what changes are in rom 2.37 |
| 22:53:42 | BigBoss | it's based on PocketPC now |
| 22:54:15 | tux_mike | rom 2.37? for? |
| 22:54:25 | tux_mike | the sl5500? |
| 22:54:31 | W|GGL|T | yeah |
| 22:54:44 | tux_mike | no new rom for the 5000? |
| 22:54:57 | W|GGL|T | not yet |
| 22:55:03 | Rince_ | for 5500? |
| 22:55:04 | W|GGL|T | i think they're working on it |
| 22:55:08 | W|GGL|T | yeah, for 5500 |
| 22:55:12 | Rince_ | and what is PocketPC |
| 22:55:13 | Rince_ | ? |
| 22:55:23 | W|GGL|T | ipaq and its ilk |
| 22:55:27 | Rince_ | ah |
| 23:06:00 | Cloud | w|ggl|t: did you put the new rom on? |
| 23:06:27 | W|GGL|T | Cloud: yeah |
| 23:06:33 | Cloud | me too |
| 23:06:37 | W|GGL|T | no problems yet |
| 23:06:45 | Cloud | i asked what the changes were but i think jason had left |
| 23:06:49 | W|GGL|T | i dont notice anything different |
| 23:06:55 | Cloud | me either |
| 23:06:56 | W|GGL|T | ahh...i was wondering that too |
| 23:07:15 | Cloud | hard to know what to check for if you don't know what to check for ;) |
| 23:07:56 | ljp | ohh. they do that all the time on the X-Files |
| 23:08:09 | Cloud | hmm i can only see 5 names in here |
| 23:08:30 | Cloud | can't even see my name in the list |
| 23:08:54 | ljp | ya know.. its funny that we keep hearing there will be a rom update for 5000d, but this makes 2 5500 rom updates since the 5000d was updated |
| 23:09:18 | W|GGL|T | jason said that they are working on it |
| 23:09:21 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 23:09:43 | ljp | ya.. thats what he said last time |
| 23:09:46 | W|GGL|T | im sure the 5500s are their priority :o) |
| 23:09:52 | ljp | bah |
| 23:09:57 | jmhodges | i hope so.. |
| 23:10:01 | W|GGL|T | me too |
| 23:10:04 | jmhodges | looks over at his purty little thing |
| 23:10:07 | ljp | not pissing off their developers should be a priority |
| 23:10:11 | jmhodges | hehee |
| 23:10:13 | jmhodges | that too |
| 23:11:17 | ljp | I bet the ungrabKeyboard bug still exists, and also the QSound short sample bug also isnt fixed |
| 23:12:25 | jmhodges | oooo. qplot looks cool |
| 23:12:30 | jmhodges | wonders... |
| 23:12:42 | W|GGL|T | suggests complaining to jason and not people who won't have an impact on the next 5000D rom |
| 23:13:00 | jmhodges | hm.. |
| 23:13:02 | ljp | heh wont help.. |
| 23:13:04 | jmhodges | ah man.. |
| 23:13:19 | ljp | the ungrabKeyboard bug has been known since January |
| 23:13:29 | W|GGL|T | <shrug> |
| 23:13:30 | Cloud | is that on the 5000? |
| 23:14:06 | ljp | that would be on both devices as they share most software |
| 23:14:28 | Cloud | is it something i can check to see if its fixed? |
| 23:15:45 | W|GGL|T | what specifically does the ungrabKeyboard bug do? |
| 23:15:59 | W|GGL|T | i haven't noticed anything abnormal |
| 23:16:32 | Bones3D | hey all |
| 23:16:42 | ljp | when an app requests to grab the keyboard it asks, and qtopia is supposed to ungrab the keyboard when the app exits |
| 23:16:43 | Cloud | hello |
| 23:17:10 | ljp | unfortunately, when the app raises ANY windows, even a messagebox.. it doesnot ungrab the keyboard |
| 23:17:31 | ljp | so, it leaves the buttons in a non working state after the app closes |
| 23:17:53 | Cloud | i don't think i've notice anything like that |
| 23:17:58 | W|GGL|T | me either |
| 23:18:07 | ljp | which is why Neo can't really use those buttons.. nor any app |
| 23:18:15 | Cloud | what buttons? |
| 23:18:37 | ljp | heh thats because its a nasty bug, and no app developer is going to try that grabKeyboard until its fixed |
| 23:18:57 | ljp | the buttons on the keyboard cover.. home.. calender |
| 23:19:08 | Cloud | i changed one of those |
| 23:19:14 | Cloud | to a different app |
| 23:19:20 | ljp | ya you cn change it |
| 23:19:27 | ljp | but thats different |
| 23:19:48 | Cloud | you can have other apps use those buttons? |
| 23:20:07 | ljp | is an app grabbed the keyboard, when that app is open, the keys go to the app, instead of qtopia |
| 23:20:42 | ljp | say I had an app that wanted to use the Home key for something |
| 23:20:54 | W|GGL|T | oh...you mean so you can use the buttons in other applications |
| 23:21:13 | ljp | I would use grabKeyboard so the key doesn't open the default app, and I can use that in my app |
| 23:21:22 | Cloud | ahhh |
| 23:22:10 | ljp | supposedly, that bug was fixed in qtopia cvs in Febuary |
| 23:22:23 | Bones3D | do any of you know of any package feeds on the net for zaurus softare? I run only mac systems here, so I have no way to install stuff locally, at the moment. ;-) |
| 23:22:25 | ljp | it still exists on the Sharp rom |
| 23:22:40 | | i guess feed is a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus |
| 23:22:40 | Cloud | ibot feed |
| 23:22:53 | Bones3D | thanks a bunch :-) |
| 23:22:53 | Cloud | yay! he answered me ;) |
| 23:23:09 | ljp | who ibot? |
| 23:23:14 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 23:23:17 | Cloud | hehe yes i only tried once before |
| 23:23:19 | Cloud | and he wasn't here |
| 23:23:24 | | ljp: sorry... |
| 23:23:24 | ljp | ibot: Cloud |
| 23:23:36 | Cloud | he doesn't know me ;) |
| 23:23:43 | | OK, ljp. |
| 23:23:43 | ljp | ibot: Cloud is an experienced Zaurus user |
| 23:23:52 | ljp | he does now |
| 23:23:57 | Cloud | hehe |
| 23:24:21 | | i guess ljp is opie's resident comedian |
| 23:24:21 | ljp | ibot: ljp |
| 23:24:22 | Cloud | ok so we would have no way to test that bug ljp |
| 23:24:28 | Cloud | :) |
| 23:24:36 | | it has been said that Lineo is your nemesis or up a creek without a paddle |
| 23:24:36 | ljp | ibot: Lineo |
| 23:24:42 | W|GGL|T | prolly not |
| 23:25:03 | Bones3D | now I just gotta figure out how to get the ipkg-make-index shell script to actually work under Mac OS X |
| 23:25:05 | Bones3D | ;-) |
| 23:25:15 | ljp | Cloud: I can test it, cause I am waiting to enable that in an app of mine, once it gets fixed |
| 23:25:23 | W|GGL|T | that means its not really a bug if the ordinary user can't provoke the bug into showing (just my opinion) |
| 23:25:31 | ljp | I do have an example app to demonstrate it that I sent to Trolltech |
| 23:25:51 | W|GGL|T | you have to have the app to show the bug? |
| 23:25:59 | ][N-Flux | anyone wanna buy a 5000d /msg me |
| 23:26:04 | ljp | you wont see the bug, because it takes a developer to use a feature thats buggy |
| 23:26:13 | Cloud | nods |
| 23:26:44 | Cloud | thanks for explaining it though |
| 23:26:54 | ljp | sure.. ;) |
| 23:27:07 | ljp | Neo also knows about it |
| 23:27:07 | Cloud | guess i'll check the email app |
| 23:27:17 | Cloud | last time i tried i locked up my z ;) |
| 23:28:35 | W|GGL|T | hehe...you lost me on the bug thing. |
| 23:28:47 | Cloud | i think since i got my sd card now, i'll shift some things around and make a swap file ;) |
| 23:29:11 | jmhodges | hm.. this fscked |
| 23:29:29 | jmhodges | oipkg wont keep my cf card as an alternative install.. |
| 23:29:34 | codemnky | hi |
| 23:29:37 | jmhodges | hey Co |
| 23:29:39 | jmhodges | hey codemnky |
| 23:29:47 | codemnky | i asked this in the perl group with no luck: |
| 23:29:53 | bill2or3 | hi |
| 23:29:57 | codemnky | on a windows system using perl what mod should i use to say: foreach (disk) { show used/free space } ? |
| 23:29:57 | Cloud | W|GGL|T look at your cpu usage |
| 23:30:12 | codemnky | any of you guys know? |
| 23:30:24 | Cloud | looks lower |
| 23:30:28 | codemnky | unix/linux i can do this no problem, how do i do it in windows? |
| 23:31:00 | bill2or3 | Win32::DriveInfo |
| 23:31:05 | codemnky | ah ha! |
| 23:31:06 | bill2or3 | ^^^ looks like the one you want |
| 23:31:13 | codemnky | thanks |
| 23:31:16 | bill2or3 | cpan.org is your friend. |
| 23:31:39 | codemnky | ok cool, i actually never used perl on windows, i'll be sure to read all the mods in there |
| 23:31:39 | codemnky | thanks |
| 23:31:57 | W|GGL|T | cloud...lemme check |
| 23:32:25 | codemnky | ttyl, thanks |
| 23:32:45 | Speedy2 | re |
| 23:33:34 | W|GGL|T | Cloud: mine is peaked |
| 23:33:38 | W|GGL|T | near 100 |
| 23:34:18 | W|GGL|T | Cloud: registers drops and climbs faster than the other roms tho |
| 23:34:53 | Cloud | mine isnt peaked |
| 23:35:09 | Cloud | mines about...25% |
| 23:35:23 | W|GGL|T | damn |
| 23:35:34 | W|GGL|T | wonder why...we're using the same rom! :o) |
| 23:35:35 | Cloud | and i have zic open |
| 23:35:57 | Cloud | with the cf card in |
| 23:35:57 | Speedy2 | Hi Cloud |
| 23:36:03 | W|GGL|T | i have nothing running....hrmm |
| 23:36:05 | Cloud | hiya speedy :) |
| 23:36:18 | W|GGL|T | got both sd and cf card in |
| 23:36:23 | Cloud | me too |
| 23:37:09 | jmhodges | there any way to fake a qpe-base? |
| 23:37:23 | jmhodges | this is OZ btw |
| 23:37:24 | ljp | do -force-depends |
| 23:37:25 | W|GGL|T | you cancel any processes? |
| 23:37:30 | jmhodges | ljp: you rock |
| 23:37:40 | treke|laptop | jmhodges : create a fake qpe-base |
| 23:37:47 | Cloud | no.. all default ones are open and qtopia desktop is open too |
| 23:38:22 | treke|laptop | builds a new opie to get the liquid theme |
| 23:38:24 | jmhodges | treke|laptop: heh wha? |
| 23:38:30 | Cloud | ack still no way to limit how many emails come in at a time |
| 23:38:36 | Cloud | to give you chance to delete them |
| 23:38:46 | Cloud | thiscould be trouble! |
| 23:38:53 | treke|laptop | jmhodges : You can create a package called opie-base that's the proper version, and include no files in there |
| 23:39:17 | tux_mike | anyone know if there's a way to auto generate a Packages file out of ipks? |
| 23:39:31 | jmhodges | treke|laptop: beyond my abilities |
| 23:39:43 | treke|laptop | tux_mike: Look in the opie source tree for an example. mkPackages.sh I think |
| 23:40:02 | jmhodges | LOL |
| 23:40:06 | jmhodges | i just killed my z |
| 23:40:25 | jmhodges | excuse me while i fix this |
| 23:40:26 | tux_mike | treke: just saw it, right before you said anything :) |
| 23:40:34 | Cloud | i think it was bad move to "get mail" |
| 23:41:11 | Cloud | you'd think on a handheld with limited memory there would be a way to download 5 or 10 emails at a time |
| 23:41:41 | ljp | or it would just download the headers |
| 23:41:45 | Cloud | no good way to stop it |
| 23:42:00 | Cloud | i just filled up my memory |
| 23:42:34 | Cloud | do i have to restart it to recover? |
| 23:43:41 | jmhodges | woot! |
| 23:43:42 | jmhodges | ok.. |
| 23:43:48 | jmhodges | qplot sucks my ass ;) |
| 23:44:23 | treke|laptop | jmhodges : http://131.152.105.154/feeds/ipaq/unstable/qpe-base_0.9.1-20020624.2_arm.ipk |
| 23:44:35 | treke|laptop | if you ahve an ipaq |
| 23:44:40 | jmhodges | uh.. sorry no |
| 23:44:55 | jmhodges | i have a Z5500 |
| 23:45:04 | jmhodges | er.. Z SL-5500 |
| 23:45:07 | jmhodges | whatevah |
| 23:45:55 | treke|laptop | running openzaurus? |
| 23:46:20 | jmhodges | yeah |
| 23:46:42 | treke|laptop | http://opie.wox.org/sharp/current/qpe-base_0.9.1-20020624.2_arm.ipk |
| 23:46:51 | jmhodges | jaw drops |
| 23:46:55 | jmhodges | treke|laptop: thanks! |
| 23:48:21 | Cloud | if you download just headers for mail, how do you read the mail? |
| 23:51:31 | Cloud | bleh this mail program is yukky |
| 23:51:42 | Speedy2 | jmhodges: Why did your jaw drop?> |
| 23:51:51 | jmhodges | Speedy2: treke's speed |
| 23:52:09 | Speedy2 | Ah |
| 23:52:13 | jmhodges | fuck |
| 23:52:19 | jmhodges | it still crashed my Z |
| 23:52:20 | jmhodges | ah well |
| 23:52:53 | Cloud | what did jm? |
| 23:53:24 | jmhodges | qplot |
| 23:53:38 | jmhodges | http://freshmeat.net/projects/qplot/?topic_id=98 |
| 23:54:21 | Cloud | ok this bites |
| 23:54:22 | Cloud | i get mail |
| 23:54:27 | Cloud | delete them all i don't want |
| 23:54:29 | jmhodges | anyone know of a howto to manually create a StrongArm cross-compiler? if not.. ill just read up on my gcc docs |
| 23:54:37 | jmhodges | Cloud: :( |
| 23:54:38 | treke|laptop | jmhodges : look on handhelds.org |
| 23:54:45 | treke|laptop | They have docs there |
| 23:54:46 | Cloud | get mail again and it downloads them all over again! |
| 23:54:54 | Cloud | duh |
| 23:55:01 | Cloud | i deleted them cause i don't want them! |
| 23:55:08 | ljp | jmhodges: why not just use the binaries from the Sharp site? |
| 23:55:10 | Cloud | i surely don't want them back! |
| 23:55:24 | iang | Cloud: are you using POP? |
| 23:55:29 | Cloud | yes |
| 23:55:37 | Cloud | i can't stop it either |
| 23:55:41 | iang | Make sure you don't have "leave messages on server" set. |
| 23:55:45 | Cloud | now i'll run out of memory agian |
| 23:55:50 | iang | (or whatever it's called) |
| 23:55:54 | ljp | pull your connection |
| 23:55:59 | treke|laptop | or delete message from the server |
| 23:56:11 | jmhodges | ljp: im on a src based distro that does not (yet) have rpm |
| 23:56:33 | ljp | so.. compile rpm and install the cross compiler ;) |
| 23:56:56 | ljp | OR..use alien |
| 23:57:01 | iang | jmhodges: I used alien to convert the rpms to deb's. You can use it to convert them to tgz, if you like. |
| 23:57:04 | jmhodges | Cloud: mayber theres a way to make the mail go your your cards? |
| 23:57:05 | treke|laptop | or use cpio |
| 23:57:06 | Cloud | i have one pc that deletes them from server but in my regular mail when i delete a mail and then go get new mail it doesn't bring the deleted one back |
| 23:57:18 | Cloud | it just brings in new mail |
| 23:57:26 | jmhodges | cpio's scare the hell out of me for no good reason |
| 23:57:44 | ljp | I find it odd that they dont have a 'download only headers' in the maill app |
| 23:57:51 | Cloud | yeah |
| 23:58:01 | Cloud | can't wait for tkc mail app |
| 23:58:05 | ljp | that would be easy to do |
| 23:58:27 | Cloud | my z's really pissed now |
| 23:58:31 | treke|laptop | anxiously awaits opiemail2 to work for him |
| 23:58:36 | jmhodges | hehee i love these vanilla coke commercials |
| 23:58:44 | jmhodges | treke|laptop: 2? |
| 23:58:54 | treke|laptop | jmhodges : an imap client for opie |
| 23:58:59 | jmhodges | sweet! |
| 23:59:07 | jmhodges | thats just what i need. |
| 23:59:44 | Cloud | ljp: do you know what i mean about re-downloading the mail? |
