| 00:03:13 | warmi1 | nice ... my Linux desktop machine just went black, would not respond to ping or anything ( basically Linux kernel dead) and I had to reboot it |
| 00:03:17 | Cloud-Z | mostly what i meed next is how to rip smaller ogg's that tkc player can read |
| 00:03:19 | warmi1 | so much for Linux stability |
| 00:03:46 | Cloud-Z | owie warmi |
| 00:04:41 | warmi1 | this stuff happens every now and then on the linux side ... the same machine never fails when booted into Windows 2000 .. ha, but you will never see story like that on /. |
| 00:04:57 | warmi1 | politically incorrect - Open Source style |
| 00:05:05 | Nadav | heh |
| 00:05:08 | Cloud-Z | hehe |
| 00:05:45 | warmi1 | to tell the truth , I think it is a bug in AcceleratedX (X server) which bring everything down .. but still |
| 00:06:10 | Cloud-Z | i like 2k ...i just don't want to be forced to xp |
| 00:06:39 | Cloud-Z | rather use linux for everything but i can't |
| 00:07:17 | warmi1 | I like XP and , in my case, I have a license that doesn't require any sort of registration so theoretically I could install it but .. |
| 00:07:24 | warmi1 | I am happy with Win 2000 |
| 00:07:31 | warmi1 | no reason to switch |
| 00:07:44 | Cloud-Z | nods |
| 00:07:51 | warmi1 | Cloud: do you run Linux on your desktop machine ? |
| 00:08:15 | Cloud-Z | no i have dual boot laptop |
| 00:08:29 | Cloud-Z | i use laptop mostly |
| 00:08:56 | Cloud-Z | my desktop is pieces parts |
| 00:09:21 | warmi1 | I run Linux on my server (www,mai,ftp,ip masqarading etc - www.warmi.net ) but as a desktop OS it sucks .. I use it only cause I have to for certain things |
| 00:09:23 | Cloud-Z | afrid to try to wrestle linus on it |
| 00:10:14 | warmi1 | Cloud: as far as dekstop usage, there is absolutely nothing on Linux that you can't get on Windows 2000 |
| 00:10:31 | warmi1 | and Win 2000 is much snappier and generally faster |
| 00:10:38 | Cloud-Z | i have a cisco router i need to get config,d |
| 00:10:53 | Cloud-Z | oh i know warmi |
| 00:10:59 | ][N-Flux | windows always looks like windows |
| 00:11:08 | ][N-Flux | I like to have a choice of managers |
| 00:11:11 | ][N-Flux | imho |
| 00:11:16 | Cloud-Z | i do linux to learn it |
| 00:11:40 | warmi1 | choice of managers ? you can have this on WIndows as well |
| 00:11:51 | ][N-Flux | windows always looks like windows |
| 00:11:57 | ][N-Flux | acts like windows |
| 00:12:07 | Cloud-Z | to get anything to work on linux takes me forever |
| 00:12:16 | warmi1 | Cloud: yeah :-) |
| 00:12:24 | treke|home | warmi1 : I've tried a couple of window managers on windows, none of them really behave in a manner I'd like them to |
| 00:12:34 | W|GGL|T | uses Windows for his sim games, mainly |
| 00:12:50 | W|GGL|T | most of the time, i use linux |
| 00:12:58 | warmi1 | treke|home: I can say the same thing about Linux .. finally I settled for KDE and IceWM because both of them work just like Windows :-) |
| 00:13:04 | treke|home | hehe :) |
| 00:13:08 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 00:13:31 | Cloud-Z | i like linux...i just havent figured it all out yet |
| 00:13:48 | treke|home | If someone came up with a decent terminal emulator and window manager for Windows, It might be more comfortable for me :) |
| 00:14:04 | warmi1 | I am Unix programmer .. I have been doing this since 1994 or so but I mostly on the server end |
| 00:14:11 | warmi1 | never liked Unix as a desktop OS |
| 00:14:12 | Cloud-Z | i need a term em for linux |
| 00:14:27 | Cloud-Z | for routers |
| 00:15:14 | ][N-Flux | linux desktop has gotten a hell of a lot better |
| 00:15:15 | whardier | does the money dance! |
| 00:15:27 | Cloud-Z | one for z would be awesome |
| 00:15:56 | ][N-Flux | Who is doing the doom port? |
| 00:16:24 | treke|home | ][N-Flux : Last I checked, it was abandoned |
| 00:16:38 | ][N-Flux | why? |
| 00:16:41 | treke|home | and wants a good maintainer |
| 00:17:04 | warmi1 | Cloud: terminal emulator ? |
| 00:17:17 | treke|home | ][N-Flux : It wasnt a game the original maintainer really cared about, it was more of an experiment to see if SDL could do it |
| 00:17:24 | ][N-Flux | ah |
| 00:17:27 | ][N-Flux | dang |
| 00:17:41 | ][N-Flux | thought the port was coming along, I wanted to play :) |
| 00:17:51 | warmi1 | so Neo is not working on Doom anymore ? |
| 00:17:52 | treke|home | ][N-Flux : I think it is semi playable |
| 00:18:24 | ][N-Flux | well, damn shame |
| 00:18:46 | ][N-Flux | looks like ce has more development sadly |
| 00:18:50 | treke|home | ][N-Flux : try it and see if it works. |
| 00:19:05 | ][N-Flux | where to get it? |
| 00:19:15 | treke|home | CE also has microsoft and about 4 years of lead time |
| 00:19:18 | Cloud | warmi1: yes .. like tera term .. or on ce handheld i used TermForce |
| 00:19:28 | treke|home | Cloud: try minicom |
| 00:19:59 | warmi1 | yeah, I think minicom wil work |
| 00:20:02 | ][N-Flux | haven't seen neo in a while |
| 00:20:03 | Cloud | i have it...haven't tried it yet..i think i set it up |
| 00:20:12 | Cloud | rather have a graphical one for z though |
| 00:20:24 | Cloud | command prompt and tiny keyboard...slow |
| 00:20:27 | warmi1 | I am not sure it will be as nicely as Terra with these dialogs for setting up connection parms etc |
| 00:20:29 | warmi1 | hehe |
| 00:20:33 | Cloud | yeah |
| 00:20:46 | Cloud | plus for z i haven't figured out how to nstall it yet (time) mostly |
| 00:21:27 | treke|home | poke bigboss into doing one. |
| 00:21:55 | warmi1 | nah .. Cloud is not your typical PDA users tkc is after :-) |
| 00:22:09 | warmi1 | how many people would buy term emulator for Z ? |
| 00:22:17 | warmi1 | heh |
| 00:22:30 | treke|home | warmi1 : I bet you could probably get a good number. Price it at 50 bucks or so ;) |
| 00:22:55 | treke|home | lots of networking guys convincing their bosses that the zaurus is an excellant tool for them :) |
| 00:23:01 | Cloud | ruksun does them for other handhelds |
| 00:23:04 | Cloud | like 20.00 i think |
| 00:23:07 | Cloud | and i'd buy that |
| 00:23:19 | Cloud | but the serial cable is an issue.. |
| 00:23:20 | warmi1 | I know, but these folks can install and use minicop or something else from Unix side |
| 00:23:27 | warmi1 | they don't need nice GUI apps |
| 00:23:27 | Cloud | hate to buy one knowing i have to chop off its sides |
| 00:23:41 | warmi1 | in fact they pride themselves on not needing GUI |
| 00:23:46 | warmi1 | heh |
| 00:24:10 | Cloud | lot of cisco people dont' necessarily want to take that time |
| 00:24:19 | Cloud | in an emergency situation or in a closet |
| 00:24:26 | Cloud | i don't "need" a gui |
| 00:24:34 | Cloud | i would like one though |
| 00:24:39 | warmi1 | alrigth, I need to start working on setting up .pro file for dynamic lib compilation .. never done it before |
| 00:25:21 | ljp | cryogenic lib compilation? |
| 00:25:30 | warmi_away | nah .. sqlite lib |
| 00:25:35 | treke|home | then again most of the networking and telcom people I've dealt with all seem to run win95 and use HyperTerminal or Procomm :) |
| 00:25:42 | treke|home | on a p133 laptop |
| 00:26:54 | W|GGL|T | ew |
| 00:27:10 | W|GGL|T | we used kermit when we were in desert storm :o) |
| 00:27:56 | W|GGL|T | passing along classified data using kermit...heh |
| 00:28:52 | ljp | the frog? |
| 00:44:54 | W|GGL|T | needs to back up his suse home partition then wipe suse off the face of his harddisk platters |
| 00:50:25 | ljp | whatever you do, dont use sandpaper |
| 00:50:48 | W|GGL|T | will use windex :o) |
| 00:51:06 | y0ssarian | http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/LART.html |
| 00:51:09 | y0ssarian | oops |
| 00:54:17 | warmi_away | ljp: have you ever packaged .so library in ipkgs ? |
| 00:54:42 | ljp | yes |
| 00:55:40 | warmi_away | how does one go about creating soft links for .so files in /lib dir ... do I have to write some sort of postinstall script ? |
| 00:55:55 | NoRemorse | ljp I couldnt report that %20 bug I needed a username/password |
| 00:57:14 | ljp | yes, create a postinst script thats does the links, and put it in the CONTROL directory |
| 00:57:37 | ljp | NoRemorse: ok.. do you have a url handy for that %20? |
| 00:57:52 | warmi_away | ok thanks |
| 01:01:16 | nagrom | no ops? |
| 01:01:34 | nagrom | nobody actually here? |
| 01:01:56 | y0ssarian | are there usually any ops? |
| 01:02:05 | y0ssarian | i've never seen ops in this channel |
| 01:02:23 | nagrom | heh. i'm not really seeing any ops in any channel |
| 01:02:33 | nagrom | theres one in linux. |
| 01:02:48 | nagrom | woo 4 in #elite |
| 01:02:52 | y0ssarian | lol |
| 01:02:56 | nagrom | they all must be pretty elite. |
| 01:03:18 | y0ssarian | i think that opn is not like most irc networks.... |
| 01:03:33 | nagrom | i like the idea of no ops |
| 01:03:49 | y0ssarian | that way everyone has an equal voice |
| 01:04:06 | nagrom | and theres no "cool" people. |
| 01:04:15 | warmi_away | hahaha ... yeha, try that on undernet or some other big network |
| 01:04:29 | nagrom | that would be scary. |
| 01:04:43 | [DrEvil] | I'm cool |
| 01:04:43 | nagrom | heh. effnet. |
| 01:04:53 | nagrom | are you cool or "cool" |
| 01:05:10 | nagrom | i'm burning up. it's hot in my apartment. |
| 01:05:13 | [DrEvil] | did I use quotes? |
| 01:05:24 | y0ssarian | nagrom: [DrEvil] is c00l |
| 01:05:37 | nagrom | are you 31337 too? |
| 01:05:56 | nagrom | 21227 |-|4X0R |
| 01:05:59 | nagrom | oops. |
| 01:06:04 | nagrom | 31337. |
| 01:06:12 | nagrom | ok. i'm done now. |
| 01:06:14 | [DrEvil] | I made the Evil ROM for the Z |
| 01:06:28 | nagrom | umm. don't know what the evil rom for the z is. |
| 01:06:38 | [DrEvil] | my custom rom image |
| 01:06:47 | nagrom | for what purpose? |
| 01:06:57 | [DrEvil] | because I could |
| 01:07:38 | nagrom | i'm waiting for someone to hack some sort of bastard themes support into a rom. |
| 01:07:52 | [DrEvil] | use OZ |
| 01:07:57 | [DrEvil] | if you want backgrounds |
| 01:08:11 | nagrom | somone told me oz doesn't run normal z apps properly. |
| 01:08:39 | [DrEvil] | some |
| 01:08:44 | nagrom | like the tkc apps. |
| 01:08:52 | W|GGL|T | i know OZ didn't want to run VNC |
| 01:08:57 | nagrom | i like their mp3 player. |
| 01:09:02 | NoRemorse | ljp go to http://202.161.127.74/~murf/music/ |
| 01:09:09 | [DrEvil] | I tried OZ and went back to the Sharp rom |
| 01:09:11 | nagrom | i don't really need vnc. |
| 01:09:14 | [DrEvil] | then I customized that rom |
| 01:09:25 | nagrom | how do you customize that rom? |
| 01:09:27 | W|GGL|T | dropped OZ too |
| 01:09:50 | [DrEvil] | deleted some stuff |
| 01:09:53 | [DrEvil] | and added some stuff |
| 01:09:58 | [DrEvil] | mostly networking stuff |
| 01:10:08 | nagrom | hrmm. how would i learn how to do this? |
| 01:10:09 | [DrEvil] | like putting ssh and smb, nfs in the rom |
| 01:10:21 | [DrEvil] | it's a black art |
| 01:10:31 | [DrEvil] | I don't think you are evil enough |
| 01:10:34 | nagrom | would be nice to have apache and mysql stuck in the rom and not have all the java crap. |
| 01:10:44 | y0ssarian | [DrEvil]: does your wget do ssl? |
| 01:11:07 | [DrEvil] | I still have the standard one |
| 01:11:11 | y0ssarian | k |
| 01:11:38 | nagrom | are there any good books i could buy to learn about programming for the z? |
| 01:11:47 | y0ssarian | nagrom: programming QT |
| 01:11:53 | y0ssarian | o'reilly |
| 01:12:18 | nagrom | btw. the only language i know in depth is php. |
| 01:12:18 | y0ssarian | not specific to Z |
| 01:12:37 | y0ssarian | qt is c++ |
| 01:12:42 | bill2or3 | peee hach pee |
| 01:12:49 | [DrEvil] | I don't really see the purpose to have apache in rom |
| 01:13:14 | [DrEvil] | nor mysql |
| 01:13:16 | nagrom | i do web dev and i always forget to close the little sync door. |
| 01:13:43 | nagrom | and my z resides in my pocket. |
| 01:14:08 | nagrom | it has a tendancy to short it out. |
| 01:14:15 | [DrEvil] | you must have big pockets |
| 01:14:21 | nagrom | i'm a big person. |
| 01:14:22 | [DrEvil] | never had that happen |
| 01:14:34 | [DrEvil] | take the change out of your pockets |
| 01:14:37 | nagrom | run a key along the sync plug. |
| 01:14:53 | nagrom | thats how i figured out what was happening. |
| 01:15:02 | nagrom | hrmm. girlfriend is bitching. |
| 01:15:14 | y0ssarian | lol, sounds like a personal problem |
| 01:15:21 | nagrom | yeh. |
| 01:15:23 | nagrom | problem. |
| 01:15:49 | nagrom | hrmm. gonna let her use the computer. |
| 01:15:52 | nagrom | bye. |
| 01:16:22 | y0ssarian | later |
| 01:32:00 | ljp | heh |
| 01:32:12 | ljp | crap |
| 01:32:27 | [DrEvil] | hey Mr. Clone Master |
| 01:32:44 | ljp | well, I know what buttons NOT to push in knoppix |
| 01:33:14 | treke|home | <ljp> The big red one that says "Don't Push" |
| 01:33:32 | ljp | no, it was more subtle |
| 01:34:42 | treke|home | little pink one thats says "You might not want to push"? |
| 01:34:58 | ljp | I think knoppix isnt used to running on an apple monitor |
| 01:39:37 | ljp_knoppix | thunder |
| 01:39:51 | ljp_knoppix | easy enough to configure, anyway |
| 01:53:53 | newzuser | Any sharp hardware people here by any chance |
| 01:53:55 | newzuser | ? |
| 01:54:33 | ljp_knoppix | hmmmpft |
| 01:57:11 | ljp | knoppix doesn't like to remember its dns... |
| 01:57:25 | newzuser | Anyone with the 2.20 rom and a CF card and craddle want to do a test for me? |
| 01:59:31 | ljp | knoppix is nappy |
| 02:00:27 | treke|home | knoppix is german |
| 02:00:58 | ljp | knoppix is knappy |
| 02:01:38 | ljp | opie knoppix dev boot cd |
| 02:03:16 | dupedagai | whooly shit! |
| 02:03:22 | dupedagai | i cant believe there are so many people here! |
| 02:03:32 | dupedagai | howdy all! |
| 02:03:55 | dupedagai | anyone around? |
| 02:04:09 | whardier | we are all trolling |
| 02:04:17 | dupedagai | trolling? |
| 02:04:23 | whardier | ssshhh.. before you upset our god |
| 02:04:28 | dupedagai | hmm... aaah |
| 02:04:34 | treke|home | dupedagai : the zaurus sucks. go away |
| 02:04:38 | whardier | hahaha |
| 02:04:39 | dupedagai | :) |
| 02:04:51 | dupedagai | man.... gotaa make an ass of myself to be acepted ey? |
| 02:05:14 | dupedagai | hey i gots me a zarurus.... anyone wana hlep me on programmin? |
| 02:05:18 | treke|home | takes a guess... dupedagai is canadian |
| 02:05:36 | dupedagai | that woudl make me an auto ass.. and i would have to say EY ey? |
| 02:05:48 | dupedagai | i am not canadian... texan |
| 02:05:58 | treke|home | a little better :) |
| 02:06:01 | dupedagai | i am a java programmer.. but i also knew c++ while ago... anyone anyone? |
| 02:06:39 | dupedagai | my workplace gave me a zaurus to program with.. anyone? |
| 02:06:47 | whardier | texan |
| 02:06:49 | whardier | yeah |
| 02:06:55 | whardier | I come from a texan family |
| 02:07:00 | whardier | I am the only American however |
| 02:07:04 | dupedagai | haha |
| 02:07:04 | whardier | I was born in Colorado |
| 02:07:16 | whardier | :P |
| 02:07:27 | treke|home | hehe |
| 02:07:40 | whardier | wants more pudding |
| 02:07:43 | dupedagai | colorodo people hate texans! |
| 02:07:49 | dupedagai | so no one programs? |
| 02:08:05 | whardier | colorado people don't hate texans |
| 02:08:09 | ljp | sure! ahh programs all the time! |
| 02:08:44 | treke|home | ljp : be carefull, he might want to do something original... so your -lclone tricks wont work |
| 02:08:53 | dupedagai | haha |
| 02:08:54 | newzuser | no programming for me yet. I think my zaurus is broken. |
| 02:09:01 | dupedagai | you flash it wrong? |
| 02:09:27 | treke|home | tried programming for the Z, but gave up for more profitable projects |
| 02:09:30 | newzuser | nope. |
| 02:09:44 | newzuser | I think the cf slot is partially broken. |
| 02:09:57 | newzuser | Data gets corrupted. |
| 02:10:34 | dupedagai | do most poeple do c++ or java |
| 02:11:21 | treke|home | c++ seems to be more common than java |
| 02:11:57 | ljp | in some parts, tea is more common than java |
| 02:12:05 | dupedagai | :) |
| 02:12:09 | dupedagai | faster |
| 02:12:54 | treke|home | and a lot of developers use openzaurus, which is java free |
| 02:13:35 | whardier | OZ drinks Mtn Dew |
| 02:13:37 | whardier | not Java |
| 02:15:25 | dupedagai | i drink water |
| 02:15:27 | dupedagai | tap |
| 02:15:32 | dupedagai | thanks for askin |
| 02:18:47 | ljp | freaky music on sunday nights |
| 02:46:32 | MrMeanor | !list |
| 02:51:34 | | warmi_away: huh? |
| 02:51:34 | warmi_away | ibot seend NeoTron |
| 02:51:37 | | NeoTron was last seen on #zaurus 10 days, 10 hours, 41 minutes and 52 seconds ago, saying: is away: work [Thu Jun 6 17:09:45 2002] |
| 02:51:37 | warmi_away | ibot seen NeoTron |
| 02:51:45 | | I haven't seen 'NeoWork', warmi_away |
| 02:51:45 | warmi_away | ibot seen NeoWork |
| 02:51:53 | | I haven't seen 'NeoLaptop', warmi_away |
| 02:51:53 | warmi_away | ibot seen NeoLaptop |
| 02:52:04 | | Neo|Work was last seen on #zaurus 5 days, 8 hours, 26 minutes and 17 seconds ago, saying: heh. :)_ [Tue Jun 11 19:25:47 2002] |
| 02:52:04 | treke|home | ibot seen Neo|Work |
| 02:52:08 | | Neo|Laptop was last seen on #zaurus 5 days, 10 hours, 1 minutes and 13 seconds ago, saying: is away: work [Tue Jun 11 17:50:55 2002] |
| 02:52:08 | treke|home | ibot seen Neo|Laptop |
| 02:52:15 | warmi_away | seems like Neo disapeared |
| 02:52:22 | | I haven't seen 'Neo|Home', treke|home |
| 02:52:22 | treke|home | ibot seen Neo|Home |
| 02:52:30 | warmi_away | I had couple of questions for him |
| 02:52:42 | treke|home | warmi_away : he's had some vacation time. Might have left town |
| 02:53:00 | warmi_away | he said he was going on vacation ? |
| 02:53:27 | warmi_away | well, that's good for him then |
| 02:53:29 | treke|home | He said he had time off of work. i dont know if he's going anywhere |
| 02:53:49 | treke|home | probably staying as far away from a computer as he can :) |
| 02:53:53 | newzuser | do any sharp employees hang out here? |
| 02:53:54 | warmi_away | I haven't had real vacation in 4 years or so |
| 02:54:00 | whardier | I NEED MORE PUDDING! |
| 02:54:11 | dupedagai | MORE PUDDING? |
| 02:54:18 | warmi_away | newzauser: yeah , JasonNJ and Benmayer |
| 02:54:22 | dupedagai | you listening to pink floyd? |
| 02:54:29 | warmi_away | but usually only during weekdays |
| 02:55:26 | newzuser | US timezone I assume |
| 02:55:42 | warmi_away | yeah |
| 02:55:44 | dupedagai | heh |
| 02:55:48 | warmi_away | Eastern US |
| 02:56:02 | newzuser | what is the GMT offset? |
| 02:56:04 | dupedagai | so anyone wana explain opie vrs qtopia ? |
| 02:56:18 | treke|home | qtopia==trolltech. Sharp uses it |
| 02:56:25 | warmi_away | I am not sure .. I think it is 6 hours behind |
| 02:56:31 | newzuser | ok. thanks. |
| 02:56:33 | dupedagai | and opie? |
| 02:56:34 | treke|home | opie is based off of qtopia, but better |
| 02:56:36 | mdz | 4 hours behind, this time of year |
| 02:56:44 | dupedagai | so i should use opie forrrect? |
| 02:57:01 | warmi_away | 4 hours .. that's Eastern true ... 5 would be for Central where I am located |
| 02:57:02 | treke|home | depends. to use opie, you have to use openzaurus. |
| 02:57:10 | dupedagai | ok... which is? |
| 02:57:13 | mdz | are there any openzaurus folks here? or anyone else who has tried flashing a custom kernel and initrd? |
| 02:57:25 | dupedagai | i have to flash the zaurus? |
| 02:57:34 | treke|home | Adn you lose Hancom (you can get it back), opera, and java. Plus there is no sd support |
| 02:57:40 | treke|home | yes you have to flash the zaurus |
| 02:57:48 | dupedagai | ij |
| 02:57:49 | dupedagai | ok |
| 02:57:51 | dupedagai | that suskcs |
| 02:58:25 | treke|home | Its a very nice system though |
| 02:58:37 | warmi_away | newzuser: you have any problems with your Z ? |
| 02:58:58 | newzuser | warmi_away: yes. Though I think it is hardware. |
| 02:59:06 | warmi_away | what kind of problem ? |
| 02:59:22 | newzuser | corruption of data on CF card. |
| 02:59:24 | mdz | I'm interested in flashing a custom kerne/initrd, and I'm wondering what methods are available for backing out the change when it doesn't work the first time. The only way I currently know is to keep a second CF card with a known good ROM image |
| 02:59:44 | warmi | what kind of filesystem do you have on your CF card ? |
| 02:59:49 | mdz | since I don't have any device except the Zaurus which can write to a CF card |
| 03:00:31 | newzuser | tried it with both fat16 and ext2. Repeatedly md5suming an unmounted disc shows different sums every run. |
| 03:00:40 | newzuser | Just got the Z last week. |
| 03:00:53 | newzuser | Got 2 actually. Other one does not display the problem. |
| 03:00:56 | warmi | I have read people complaining about currupted files when using ext2 |
| 03:01:16 | warmi | I am not sure what was it but it was only happening on ext2 formated CF cards |
| 03:01:22 | warmi | ( I read that on www.zauruszone.com ) |
| 03:01:28 | newzuser | well this also happens on fat16.. |
| 03:01:49 | newzuser | and fat32 |
| 03:01:59 | warmi | is this related to some sort of special activity (backup etc ) or just normal usage ? |
| 03:02:18 | newzuser | just normal usage. |
| 03:02:45 | newzuser | First saw problems copying an mp3 to cf (which also had photos from my digital camera). |
| 03:02:57 | newzuser | mp3's would not play. |
| 03:03:11 | newzuser | Then trying to get pictures off card, showed they were corrupt. |
| 03:03:14 | warmi | copying using ?? |
| 03:03:17 | warmi | CF reader ? |
| 03:03:34 | newzuser | documents tab/qtopia desktop on Linux. |
| 03:03:52 | newzuser | Copying from terminal also shows problem. |
| 03:04:29 | warmi | maybe you are right, maybe it is some sort of HD problem ( or possibly crappy CF card) |
| 03:04:32 | newzuser | eg. copying 2.20 osrom.srom from PC to Zaurus RAM worked correctly (md5sum) |
| 03:04:42 | warmi | I never had any problems with my CF (sandisk) card |
| 03:04:42 | dupedagai | so the open is worth it? |
| 03:04:49 | newzuser | copying from RAM to CF then shows copy on CF corrupt. |
| 03:05:12 | newzuser | Tested with 2 different capacity/manufacturer CF cards. |
| 03:05:15 | newzuser | Known to be good. |
| 03:05:23 | dupedagai | did usa or mex win? |
| 03:05:24 | newzuser | Thus current conclusion is hardware problem. |
| 03:06:41 | warmi | beats me newzuser ... sounds like hardware problem |
| 03:06:57 | warmi | how's SD doing ? |
| 03:07:02 | warmi | any problems with that ? |
| 03:07:18 | newzuser | Havn't got any SD cards. Saving that for bluetooth. |
| 03:07:46 | warmi | oh .. ok |
| 03:07:47 | newzuser | Bought new phones with IR/Bluetooth and GPRS at the same time. |
| 03:07:51 | dupedagai | yeah bluetooth! |
| 03:08:01 | warmi | well, it must be something specific to your Z |
| 03:08:02 | dupedagai | bb tommorow night all |
| 03:08:26 | warmi | I have no problems with my CF using default FAT fs it came with |
| 03:08:51 | newzuser | Yeah. I suspect mine is broken. Going to take it for repairs this week. |
| 03:09:24 | warmi | dupedagai: the match starts in about 3.5 hours |
| 03:09:41 | warmi | newzuser: btw .. you watching world cup ? |
| 03:10:12 | newzuser | some of them. Up late watching spain & ireland |
| 03:10:25 | warmi | hehe ... I thought Australia was cricket country |
| 03:10:33 | warmi | at least that's what my Indian friend says :-) |
| 03:10:45 | ljp | we have crickets here in colorado in the summer ;) |
| 03:10:50 | newzuser | Some people...personally I prefer watching grass grow :) |
| 03:11:24 | warmi | newzuser: yeah .. I agree with you there .. would rather watch paint dry then watch cricket/basball |
| 03:11:58 | warmi | ljp: do you watch soccer? |
| 03:12:04 | warmi | heeh |
| 03:12:47 | warmi | alright, enough for today |
| 03:12:50 | warmi | see you later |
| 03:12:51 | warmi | bye |
| 03:35:03 | Com[Plex] | hey uh. say.. whats he trick to building a new rom, based on modifications to the sharp rom? - what I mean is, I want to take the sharp rom,. make some changes to it, and flash it to the Z.. how can I take the batch of files, and pack that into a rom? |
| 03:38:10 | Fatbum | hey everyone |
| 03:38:14 | Fatbum | whats new with the zaurus? |
| 03:38:20 | Fatbum | i havent used mine in weeks |
| 03:38:29 | whardier | you |
| 03:38:33 | whardier | big.. fat.. bum |
| 03:38:56 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 03:39:05 | Fatbum | right... |
| 03:39:23 | Com[Plex] | couple new apps ou |
| 03:39:25 | Com[Plex] | out |
| 03:39:29 | Com[Plex] | some good ones. |
| 03:39:37 | Fatbum | cool |
| 03:39:42 | Fatbum | myzaurus.com or where? |
| 03:39:51 | | Com[Plex]: i'm not following you... |
| 03:39:51 | Com[Plex] | ibot zso |
| 03:39:57 | | well, zsi is http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 03:39:57 | Com[Plex] | ibot zsi |
| 03:40:12 | Fatbum | ah yes |
| 03:40:29 | whardier | MiniIDE |
| 03:40:31 | whardier | good lord |
| 03:40:40 | whardier | thats just a battery waiting to die |
| 03:40:44 | Fatbum | miniIDE? |
| 03:40:46 | Fatbum | for the z? |
| 03:40:55 | Fatbum | oh yeah |
| 03:41:00 | whardier | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=249 |
| 03:41:00 | Fatbum | theres a few of those |
| 03:41:13 | whardier | why! |
| 03:41:22 | Fatbum | cuz its cool |
| 03:41:22 | whardier | coding on 80x25 is enough of a pain in the ass for most! |
| 03:41:27 | Fatbum | why else brutha |
| 03:42:01 | whardier | installs qpose |
| 03:42:20 | Fatbum | dies |
| 03:46:14 | nemui-chan | 80x25? |
| 03:46:42 | whardier | terminal res |
| 03:48:41 | whardier | sleeps now |
| 03:50:17 | Fatbum | wonders.... |
| 04:10:29 | | rumour has it openzaurus is a Community version of the operating environment for the Sharp Zaurus SL-5x00[d] PDA. See http://openzaurus.sf.net/. or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ |
| 04:10:29 | Nadav | ibot openzaurus |
| 04:23:16 | Fatbum | its MrMeanor |
| 04:23:41 | Nadav | ? |
| 04:23:54 | Fatbum | shut up |
| 04:24:12 | Fatbum | ha j/k |
| 04:24:15 | Nadav | heh |
| 04:24:18 | Nadav | scared me ;) |
| 04:24:26 | Fatbum | i was saying yo to mrm |
| 04:24:47 | Nadav | yeah, didn't see it was a person before |
| 04:24:55 | Fatbum | whats a good iso maker? |
| 04:25:03 | Fatbum | for *cough* winsuck |
| 04:25:14 | Nadav | for windows? |
| 04:25:18 | Nadav | WinISO is good |
| 04:25:23 | Fatbum | not free |
| 04:25:28 | Nadav | no? |
| 04:25:28 | Nadav | hm |
| 04:25:42 | Nadav | there's a trial ;) |
| 04:25:47 | Fatbum | hehe |
| 04:25:53 | Fatbum | i want an iso maker for the z |
| 04:25:54 | Fatbum | hehe |
| 04:25:57 | Nadav | hah |
| 04:26:55 | Fatbum | what 64-bit procs are there? |
| 04:26:57 | Fatbum | the itanium? |
| 04:27:01 | Fatbum | soon the opteron.... |
| 04:27:09 | Fatbum | is sparc? |
| 04:27:17 | Nadav | don't think so |
| 04:27:19 | Nadav | but i'm not sure |
| 04:27:24 | Nadav | i'm gonna crash for tonight |
| 04:27:25 | Nadav | later |
| 04:27:32 | Fatbum | late |
| 04:40:45 | SirPsycho | what is the minimum size CF card to flash the Z?? anyone know? |
| 04:51:30 | newzuser | 16MB |
| 04:51:49 | newzuser | Though you do not need CF to flash the 5500 |
| 04:52:27 | newzuser | There is the software ROM updater |
| 04:56:22 | newzuser | actually it has to be 32 MB |
| 04:56:39 | newzuser | 16 MB image size + fs overhead |
| 04:57:23 | MrMeanor | is there a way to get smoother gameplay with snes |
| 04:57:27 | MrMeanor | on the zaurus |
| 04:57:31 | MrMeanor | like overclocking |
| 05:08:14 | Stitchley | Has anyone here used kismet? |
| 05:10:02 | KhensU | y |
| 05:10:04 | KhensU | a |
| 05:11:36 | Stitchley | i can't get buzzme to work properly. Any clues what I may be doing wrong? Buzzme works fine from the command line, but when I start kismet, the gui gives me the error that no sound player is configured |
| 05:14:42 | KhensU | hmm, i've never use buzzme. can't help ya there |
| 05:18:59 | Stitchley | no worries, I managed to fix it myself. That's annoying that the builtin conf file has the wrong name for the option |
| 05:58:55 | W|GGL|T | good god....debian is soooo much different than slackware that my head is spinning |
| 05:59:12 | KhensU | hehe |
| 05:59:39 | W|GGL|T | ive never had such a hard time getting on the net with linux |
| 06:00:40 | KhensU | how's that? |
| 06:01:06 | SirPsycho | ya got a dhcp server W|GGL|T ? |
| 06:02:11 | W|GGL|T | SirPsycho: can't find dhcp...and i asked it to install that one |
| 06:02:36 | SirPsycho | you on a laptop or a desktop machine? |
| 06:03:03 | SirPsycho | or guess i should say.. pcmcia or not.. =) |
| 06:03:23 | W|GGL|T | desktop |
| 06:03:40 | W|GGL|T | gonna check something out real quick |
| 06:03:56 | SirPsycho | did you edit /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 06:04:10 | SirPsycho | should be about all ya have to do |
| 06:07:23 | W|GGL|T | i shoulda stuck with Suse on this particular box...heh |
| 06:07:44 | SirPsycho | ya should give debian a chance =) |
| 06:08:00 | [DrEvil] | debian beatniks |
| 06:12:49 | W|GGL|T | got it working |
| 06:13:21 | W|GGL|T | for some reason, it had dupe commands at the bottom of the interfaces file |
| 06:13:25 | SirPsycho | you running unstable? |
| 06:13:49 | SirPsycho | or testing |
| 06:14:52 | W|GGL|T | running earlier version...1.9.1 |
| 06:15:59 | SirPsycho | why not something newere? |
| 06:19:26 | Deez | libranet is KRUNK! |
| 06:20:36 | NoRemorse | anyone know the current version of tkcJabber |
| 06:35:52 | Com[Plex] | 1.0.7? |
| 06:36:09 | Com[Plex] | www.thekompany.com |
| 06:39:07 | sig | ok, I'm happy now |
| 06:39:13 | sig | my z is running like a charm |
| 06:43:25 | Twiun | exit |
| 06:43:35 | Twiun | d'oh... I need to wake up some more |
| 06:43:55 | Twiun | downs some instant coffee |
| 06:44:02 | Twiun | Right... off to work! |
| 06:45:36 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 06:46:02 | Com[Plex] | I jsut downloaded the new tkc bundle version. comes with a nice little help file, fuill of broken links |
| 06:46:20 | Com[Plex] | aparently, they didnt make the paths right for the pics. |
| 06:46:35 | Com[Plex] | tkcExplorer_files folder wasnt created or stored, and the pics had to be in that folder. |
| 06:49:24 | sig_win32 | is it bad to leave my zaurus running all the time? |
| 06:51:53 | Com[Plex] | screen on or of? |
| 06:51:56 | Com[Plex] | light |
| 06:52:07 | Com[Plex] | light on, yes. those bulbs dont last forever. |
| 06:52:25 | Com[Plex] | screen on, well yeah, the screens will wear out. you will start losing lines. |
| 06:52:50 | sig | oh, that sucks |
| 06:52:57 | sig | how do i just shut the screen off? |
| 06:53:06 | Com[Plex] | hehe, youi cant |
| 06:53:12 | sig | wonderful |
| 06:53:16 | Com[Plex] | no ones figured out how to re program apm to allow that |
| 06:53:24 | NoRemorse | heya |
| 06:53:25 | sig | heh |
| 06:53:37 | sig | konqueror browser is nice |
| 06:53:39 | sig | fun |
| 06:54:00 | NoRemorse | is it possible to compile a simple xwindows app to run under qpe? |
| 06:54:10 | treke|home | NoRemorse : no |
| 06:54:14 | sig | NoRemorse: yeah, I've seen x11 stuff |
| 06:54:15 | Com[Plex] | to Compile it? |
| 06:54:20 | sig | for the z |
| 06:54:30 | NoRemorse | well build it. |
| 06:54:32 | SirPsycho | you have to run X on the Z to use it |
| 06:54:33 | sig | NoRemorse: check zauruszone.com |
| 06:54:34 | treke|home | NoRemorse : QT based apps can usually be ported with only minor dificulties |
| 06:54:52 | treke|home | anything else depends on how well seperated the logic and the display are |
| 06:54:59 | Com[Plex] | theres a few methods, Ive seen none of them actually work. one of them is to install the x11 libs and icewm, the other way is to try out this QtopiaX wich runs a vnc session and yours apps within it. btu that dont work either. :> |
| 06:55:08 | NoRemorse | hrm nah I dont wanna run X on Z I think thats heading for a world of hurt. I wanna compile something like licq but to run under qpe |
| 06:55:26 | Com[Plex] | use the cross compiler |
| 06:55:34 | Com[Plex] | dont compile ON the z |
| 06:55:36 | treke|home | NoRemorse : since licq has a qt front end, it might be releativly easy to get working |
| 06:55:49 | SirPsycho | could use the jabber client |
| 06:55:50 | Com[Plex] | get a linux box and cimpile on that using the cross compioler |
| 06:55:52 | NoRemorse | yeah I tried the cross compile on licq but it wants gt-gui wich I cant get to configure let alone compile |
| 06:56:13 | NoRemorse | SirPsycho I use tkcJabber, it is limited tho |
| 06:56:16 | Com[Plex] | well, I got a nice little web site that works pretty well. fi you want a link.. |
| 06:56:17 | treke|home | qt apps arent exactly the easiest to compile :) |
| 06:56:31 | NoRemorse | Com[Plex] yeah ta |
| 06:58:38 | NoRemorse | Com[Plex]? |
| 06:58:40 | NoRemorse | url? |
| 06:59:36 | NoRemorse | ah as an aside, anyone know if the palm bluetooth SD card works on a Z? |
| 06:59:55 | SirPsycho | think i read somewhere that only memory SD cards work atm |
| 07:00:08 | sig_Zaurus | sweet |
| 07:00:08 | Com[Plex] | lloking. cant find it now |
| 07:00:09 | treke|home | right. only memory cards work |
| 07:00:19 | Com[Plex] | SirPsycho: mmc cards work too |
| 07:00:25 | sig_Zaurus | konqueror rocks |
| 07:00:29 | NoRemorse | whats the bluetooth on sourceforge for? for a CF bluetooth card? |
| 07:00:48 | Com[Plex] | http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/linux_compiler_setup_howto.shtml |
| 07:00:50 | treke|home | NoRemorse : right |
| 07:00:51 | NoRemorse | ta |
| 07:00:58 | sig_Zaurus | someone version me |
| 07:01:06 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 07:01:15 | Com[Plex] | [03:05] [sig_Zaurus VERSION reply]: Zic 0.2 |
| 07:01:20 | sig_Zaurus | hehe |
| 07:01:23 | sig_Zaurus | fun |
| 07:02:18 | sig_Zaurus | konqueror can dl files straight to the z and they actually work |
| 07:02:29 | Com[Plex] | http://more.sbc.co.jp/slj/apps.asp |
| 07:02:38 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 07:02:42 | sig_Zaurus | opera messes up .ipk files |
| 07:03:29 | sig_Zaurus | embeddedkonsole rocks too |
| 07:04:15 | sig_Zaurus | is there themes and backgrounds for the z?? |
| 07:05:52 | NoRemorse | sig_Zaurus yes but can it associate a filetype to an app?! |
| 07:06:14 | sig_Zaurus | what?? |
| 07:06:19 | NoRemorse | konq |
| 07:06:24 | sig_Zaurus | yea |
| 07:06:41 | NoRemorse | can I tell it to. say.. "send all .mp3 files I click to mpg123" |
| 07:06:59 | sig_Zaurus | not sure |
| 07:07:20 | sig_Zaurus | you will have to try it |
| 07:07:35 | NoRemorse | havent installed it yet |
| 07:07:40 | sig_Zaurus | heh |
| 07:07:53 | NoRemorse | allthough opera is shitting me to tears |
| 07:07:57 | sig_Zaurus | embeddedkonsole is cool too |
| 07:08:15 | NoRemorse | is it better than normal terminal? |
| 07:08:16 | Com[Plex] | I wanna know how to change associateions for opera. it wont save ipks. fucking opens them in text |
| 07:08:21 | sig_Zaurus | yea opera did the same thing to me |
| 07:08:30 | NoRemorse | Com[Plex] mine saves them... |
| 07:08:42 | Com[Plex] | how? |
| 07:08:44 | Com[Plex] | opera? |
| 07:08:55 | NoRemorse | u running sharp rom ? |
| 07:08:57 | sig | Com[Plex]: it may save them but they won't insall |
| 07:08:59 | NoRemorse | or OZ? |
| 07:08:59 | Com[Plex] | as long as they are tar.gz'd |
| 07:09:03 | Com[Plex] | shapr 1.13 |
| 07:09:07 | sig | opera jacks them up |
| 07:09:12 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 07:09:14 | sig | the .ipk |
| 07:09:17 | sig | at least |
| 07:09:17 | Com[Plex] | gotta run dos2unix? |
| 07:09:21 | NoRemorse | nah damn sure I can save .ipk |
| 07:09:30 | NoRemorse | gimme a url of one and I'll try |
| 07:09:30 | sig | NoRemorse: they won't install |
| 07:09:36 | sig | one sec |
| 07:09:39 | NoRemorse | ah sig depends where u save them to |
| 07:09:49 | sig | NoRemorse: I've saved them everywhere |
| 07:09:54 | sig | konq does just fine with them |
| 07:09:57 | NoRemorse | I save mine to /mnt/card/Documents/applications/ipkg |
| 07:10:06 | NoRemorse | then they install finers |
| 07:10:12 | sig | hmm |
| 07:10:15 | Com[Plex] | with Opera?? |
| 07:10:16 | NoRemorse | ok sig gimme the url to konq hehe |
| 07:10:19 | NoRemorse | yes oepra |
| 07:10:29 | Com[Plex] | wtf. it opens them on mine |
| 07:10:30 | sig | NoRemorse: not sure i believe you |
| 07:10:40 | NoRemorse | ok hang 5 |
| 07:11:43 | sig | http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/feed/konqueror_snapshot_20020311_arm.ipk |
| 07:12:35 | NoRemorse | hr is it on kilefilez? |
| 07:13:12 | NoRemorse | found it |
| 07:15:35 | NoRemorse | it asked me to save it! |
| 07:15:37 | NoRemorse | :) |
| 07:15:51 | NoRemorse | i'll try and install in a tic |
| 07:16:30 | Com[Plex] | what the hell is this?! |
| 07:16:35 | Com[Plex] | www.256k.net/image050.jpg |
| 07:16:46 | Com[Plex] | someone tell me how they got icq running on there. - that is NOT jabber |
| 07:16:54 | Com[Plex] | thats fucking ICQ. for real |
| 07:17:28 | NoRemorse | nah its a screenshot of icq on a zaurus :) sucked in |
| 07:17:43 | Com[Plex] | ? |
| 07:18:15 | NoRemorse | well.. someone, on a pc, did a screenshot of the icq qindow, turned it into a jpg and is viewing it on tkcGallery on a Z |
| 07:19:00 | Com[Plex] | you can slide tkc gallery pics around on the screen? with no border? |
| 07:19:14 | NoRemorse | dunno never used it |
| 07:19:42 | Com[Plex] | hmm |
| 07:19:55 | NoRemorse | even better- it's a vnc of a Z on a windows desktop with the icq window overlapping it, screenshotted! |
| 07:20:22 | SirPsycho | it looks like there is an icq flower on the Z next to the volume control |
| 07:20:31 | Com[Plex] | thats jabnber |
| 07:20:42 | Com[Plex] | jabber puts the flower there, bnut the jabber windows dont look like that |
| 07:21:38 | Com[Plex] | maybe a vnc screen shot. /maybe/ |
| 07:21:59 | NoRemorse | I got ICQJava to run but it wouldnt connect |
| 07:22:16 | Com[Plex] | I had it run and connect |
| 07:22:22 | NoRemorse | ok konqueror installed no probs after an opera save dl |
| 07:22:32 | NoRemorse | Com[Plex] is it useable? |
| 07:22:34 | Com[Plex] | but when a msg pops up, and you click a window behind it, you cant click ti back |
| 07:22:42 | NoRemorse | ah yeah |
| 07:22:44 | NoRemorse | flaky |
| 07:22:51 | Com[Plex] | is not usable. you need jabber to use it. and even then, Ive honestly only used jabber once |
| 07:23:06 | NoRemorse | hehe jabber is ok, be better if it had groups |
| 07:23:13 | Com[Plex] | groups? lol |
| 07:23:14 | NoRemorse | or could at least hide offline peoples |
| 07:23:18 | Com[Plex] | I never used groups |
| 07:23:24 | NoRemorse | jabber has groups, tkcJabber doesnt |
| 07:23:26 | Com[Plex] | or hide opffline people. |
| 07:23:36 | Com[Plex] | I keep em visable so I can send em offline msgs |
| 07:23:40 | Com[Plex] | thats the beauty of icq |
| 07:24:28 | NoRemorse | i just view them all when I need to do that |
| 07:24:42 | NoRemorse | hrm... I instaslled konq but cant find it! |
| 07:26:21 | NoRemorse | ah web browser |
| 07:27:49 | NoRemorse | hrm is there a SD hard drive (ala microdrive for CF) yet?! |
| 07:27:59 | Com[Plex] | no |
| 07:28:07 | NoRemorse | hrm 2xCF would be really nice on Z |
| 07:28:08 | Com[Plex] | lol, that would be insane. |
| 07:28:15 | Com[Plex] | - that /Will/ be insane |
| 07:28:20 | NoRemorse | they gonna do it? |
| 07:28:26 | Com[Plex] | what do you think? |
| 07:28:26 | NoRemorse | whens the next model due? |
| 07:28:34 | Com[Plex] | we never thought they would make cf hard drives |
| 07:28:40 | Com[Plex] | prilly september |
| 07:28:55 | NoRemorse | no I maean are they gonna do 2xCF I KNOW there will be SD drives |
| 07:29:06 | Com[Plex] | wo cf cards? |
| 07:29:08 | Com[Plex] | no |
| 07:29:10 | NoRemorse | any previews of the new Z anywhere? |
| 07:29:13 | Com[Plex] | they wont put two cf cards. |
| 07:29:17 | Com[Plex] | they want them to be small |
| 07:29:32 | Com[Plex] | they got no reason for two cf cards. maybe two SD cards. but not two cf |
| 07:29:44 | NoRemorse | yeah need 2 x CF or more onboard ram :) |
| 07:29:52 | SirPsycho | by the end of 2004 the SD's will be 4GB |
| 07:29:53 | Com[Plex] | yuo wanna see different Z's, check out the japanese zaurus site. they got like 12 different models |
| 07:30:05 | NoRemorse | yeah! |
| 07:30:06 | NoRemorse | hehe |
| 07:30:11 | NoRemorse | url? |
| 07:31:00 | Com[Plex] | let me see. I gotta find it again |
| 07:31:04 | NoRemorse | ta |
| 07:31:12 | SirPsycho | i wonder if it would be possible to make a CF card that would hold two SD cards =) |
| 07:32:20 | Com[Plex] | ooh. let me look |
| 07:32:22 | Com[Plex] | nope. |
| 07:32:25 | Com[Plex] | not wide enough |
| 07:32:36 | Com[Plex] | sd is too wide. too thick.. |
| 07:32:41 | NoRemorse | hehe |
| 07:32:54 | Com[Plex] | unless they made them on top of each other, a type2 cf card, full thickness |
| 07:33:11 | Com[Plex] | /Maybe |
| 07:34:01 | Com[Plex] | http://www.pda-japan.com/zaurus.html |
| 07:34:12 | NoRemorse | ta |
| 07:34:21 | Com[Plex] | jeesus. |
| 07:34:49 | Com[Plex] | listening to this track from teh new eminem album. now generally, im not into rap, but im listening to this track, and its like, jeesus. |
| 07:35:01 | Com[Plex] | hes got his daughter singing on it. |
| 07:35:04 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 07:35:13 | Com[Plex] | "my dads gone craaazzy |
| 07:35:33 | NoRemorse | MI-C1 is the latest model in Japan. On December 19, 1999 |
| 07:35:35 | NoRemorse | ?! |
| 07:35:37 | NoRemorse | wtf |
| 07:35:48 | Com[Plex] | yeah, dont beleive it |
| 07:36:06 | Com[Plex] | maybe its true |
| 07:36:16 | Com[Plex] | they have had these fucking things for years |
| 07:36:22 | Com[Plex] | I dont know why they never released em here |
| 07:36:23 | NoRemorse | hehe |
| 07:36:31 | NoRemorse | I recon 5500 shits on those |
| 07:36:34 | Com[Plex] | why the fuck does jap[an have so many cool toys?? |
| 07:36:46 | Com[Plex] | I dont think so.have yous een the apps they ahev on these? |
| 07:37:22 | Com[Plex] | serious, I spent a whole day with a japanese to english translator looking at the 100s of different pdas they got over there. |
| 07:37:29 | NoRemorse | 32bit RISC CPU(HITACH SH3) , 128Mbit(16MB) flash memory,64Mbit(8MB) DRAM , 16MB system ROM |
| 07:37:30 | Com[Plex] | there shit absolutely trounces ours |
| 07:37:32 | NoRemorse | hrm yeah |
| 07:37:35 | Com[Plex] | its like alien technology man |
| 07:37:43 | NoRemorse | nah the 5500 is heaps better |
| 07:37:53 | Com[Plex] | that was in 99 |
| 07:37:59 | Com[Plex] | this is three years alter |
| 07:38:05 | SirPsycho | heh.. been surfin from that link you pasted.. |
| 07:38:13 | SirPsycho | check out http://mobile.ezaurus.com |
| 07:38:18 | SirPsycho | look at the pic at the top |
| 07:38:37 | NoRemorse | awesome |
| 07:38:58 | Com[Plex] | ahh yes, heres the site |
| 07:39:00 | Com[Plex] | http://mobile.ezaurus.com/ |
| 07:39:09 | Com[Plex] | now go to babelfish.altavista.com |
| 07:39:11 | NoRemorse | M1-E25DC |
| 07:39:14 | Com[Plex] | now go to http://babelfish.altavista.com |
| 07:40:26 | Com[Plex] | they got cameras in theres and shit |
| 07:40:35 | W|GGL|T | is libranet'd out |
| 07:40:40 | W|GGL|T | nighty night |
| 07:40:53 | W|GGL|T | is away: I'm busy smoking a blunt or sleeping or something |
| 07:41:01 | NoRemorse | yep |
| 07:41:07 | NoRemorse | must be next one coming |
| 07:43:21 | Com[Plex] | http://babelfish.altavista.com/urltrurl?lp=ja_en&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sharp.co.jp%2Fproducts%2Fmie25dc%2Ftext%2Fvideo.html |
| 07:43:33 | Com[Plex] | damnit |
| 07:43:52 | SirPsycho | look at the mail page |
| 07:44:00 | SirPsycho | you can get a card lets you use it as a phone |
| 07:44:42 | Com[Plex] | yeah |
| 07:44:55 | Com[Plex] | the e25 looks like the 5x00 |
| 07:45:03 | SirPsycho | heh.. only 32MB ram |
| 07:46:09 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 07:46:15 | Com[Plex] | bad translation, "The abundant contents are quantity, ill-smelling it is ": |
| 07:47:49 | Com[Plex] | you can get em in other colros |
| 07:47:53 | Com[Plex] | colors |
| 07:48:07 | NoRemorse | hahaha |
| 07:48:11 | NoRemorse | ill-smelling |
| 07:48:13 | Com[Plex] | fucking "lilac" |
| 07:50:00 | Com[Plex] | I like mine better |
| 07:50:02 | Com[Plex] | [12PIMP] http://me.256k.net/casemod/ZAURUS-MODS/ |
| 07:50:03 | NoRemorse | w00t my qpe "example" compile worked, licq here I come |
| 07:50:09 | Com[Plex] | nice |
| 07:50:27 | Com[Plex] | iof you compile licq successfully, PLEASE give me a copy :> |
| 07:50:47 | NoRemorse | hehe ok |
| 07:50:51 | NoRemorse | well I cant sell it... |
| 07:50:54 | NoRemorse | :) |
| 07:50:58 | NoRemorse | I'll post it to sourceforge |
| 07:51:01 | NoRemorse | catchas |
| 07:51:36 | Com[Plex] | awesome |
| 08:02:24 | karapta | Hello!\ |
| 08:49:20 | Com[Plex] | http://www.pocketpcpassion.com/images/02May/big83_1.jpg |
| 08:49:36 | Com[Plex] | windows xp, with a 4 inch lcd, and keyboard like the z.. |
| 09:19:40 | NoRemorse | heya |
| 09:19:55 | NoRemorse | should I be getting this error from ./configure when using the cross compiler for Z? |
| 09:19:57 | NoRemorse | checking whether the C compiler works... configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs. |
| 09:19:57 | NoRemorse | If you meant to cross compile, use `--host'. |
| 09:20:02 | NoRemorse | ??! |
| 09:23:57 | msmax | can you check config.log and see what is it, see at the end of config.log file |
| 09:25:15 | NoRemorse | ok hang 5 |
| 09:26:01 | NoRemorse | configure: exit 1 |
| 09:27:02 | NoRemorse | ?! |
| 09:27:08 | Com[Plex] | woohoo! |
| 09:27:19 | Com[Plex] | heh |
| 09:27:43 | NoRemorse | ./configure --build=arm --host=i386 |
| 09:27:44 | mark | Com[Plex]: ? |
| 09:27:46 | NoRemorse | that works? |
| 09:27:48 | Com[Plex] | I go my cf wireless card all apart, IM gonna put an external antenna on it so I can go wardriving :> |
| 09:27:54 | mark | hehe |
| 09:28:00 | mark | oipkg has crashed my Z. again. |
| 09:28:05 | NoRemorse | Com[Plex] WHAT BRAND/VERSION cf CARD? iAM GONNA DO THE SAME TOMORROW |
| 09:28:09 | NoRemorse | oops sorry for shouting |
| 09:28:25 | mark | ouch, my ears |
| 09:28:28 | Com[Plex] | this one is a hawking cf11 or something |
| 09:28:29 | NoRemorse | hehe |
| 09:28:33 | Com[Plex] | hawking |
| 09:28:38 | NoRemorse | k I am trying to do it to a linksys |
| 09:28:40 | Com[Plex] | but before you run out an buy one |
| 09:28:56 | Com[Plex] | let me link you top a site with some links to stuff that might help |
| 09:29:03 | NoRemorse | u kidding? the linksys is the ONLY one I can get in Australia for some reason |
| 09:29:19 | Com[Plex] | okay... http://www.guerrilla.net/reference/80211_mod/dwl-650_ext_antenna/index.html |
| 09:29:21 | NoRemorse | but yeah I'll take a look |
| 09:29:28 | Com[Plex] | read this, understand whats going on |
| 09:29:50 | NoRemorse | hehe I got that card too |
| 09:30:01 | NoRemorse | yea dood I am a communications engineer :) |
| 09:30:06 | NoRemorse | I should be able to cope |
| 09:30:09 | Com[Plex] | k |
| 09:30:29 | NoRemorse | here's a tip if it isnt there, DONT use resin-core solder |
| 09:30:44 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 09:30:49 | NoRemorse | use plain solder and spirits |
| 09:30:51 | Com[Plex] | rosin |
| 09:30:53 | NoRemorse | seriously! |
| 09:30:57 | NoRemorse | hehe oops spel |
| 09:30:57 | Com[Plex] | flux has capacity |
| 09:30:59 | Com[Plex] | I know |
| 09:31:05 | NoRemorse | capicitance? |
| 09:31:27 | Com[Plex] | I modded some mice with blue leds, ansd they kept failing, not because the led swas bad, ut because of the flux |
| 09:31:37 | Com[Plex] | yeah. you know.. like a capacitor |
| 09:31:41 | NoRemorse | :) |
| 09:31:46 | NoRemorse | well one all |
| 09:31:48 | NoRemorse | :) |
| 09:31:54 | Com[Plex] | huh? |
| 09:32:10 | Com[Plex] | theres some "flux remover" wich I dont have, but would like. |
| 09:32:14 | Com[Plex] | you said "spirits" |
| 09:32:19 | Com[Plex] | what do you mean? |
| 09:33:12 | NoRemorse | solder spirits, its a liquid you use to tin your iron |
| 09:33:22 | Com[Plex] | looking at my cf card, the hookups are right there open for me to put my new antenna on. lol |
| 09:33:24 | NoRemorse | dip the solder and iron tip in it makes it a damn site easier |
| 09:33:45 | Com[Plex] | flux |
| 09:33:56 | NoRemorse | yep |
| 09:33:57 | NoRemorse | same thing |
| 09:34:03 | Com[Plex] | still has capacitance. gotta clean it off |
| 09:34:17 | NoRemorse | yep |
| 09:34:17 | Com[Plex] | Ive found that a /really/ hot iron works better. |
| 09:34:21 | NoRemorse | yes! |
| 09:34:23 | Com[Plex] | I use a 72 watt iron |
| 09:34:24 | NoRemorse | hotter the better |
| 09:34:44 | Com[Plex] | but ive seen a 140 watter in use. it was amazing. |
| 09:35:15 | NoRemorse | hehe |
| 09:35:21 | NoRemorse | mineis 25 :( time for a newie |
| 09:35:37 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 09:36:04 | NoRemorse | ok back to work |
| 09:36:13 | NoRemorse | trying to compile qt-gui now |
| 09:36:17 | NoRemorse | on the cross compiler |
| 09:36:20 | Com[Plex] | gl |
| 09:36:35 | NoRemorse | checking for QT libraries... no :-( |
| 09:36:36 | NoRemorse | configure: error: |
| 09:36:36 | NoRemorse | I can't find the QT libraries. It is recommended to set the QTDIR environment |
| 09:36:36 | NoRemorse | variable. |
| 09:36:36 | NoRemorse | Install the QT libraries, or if you have them installed, override this check |
| 09:36:36 | NoRemorse | with the --with-qt-libraries argument, and I'll take your word for it. |
| 09:36:38 | NoRemorse | ? |
| 09:37:02 | Com[Plex] | did yuo follow every step in that how to I gave you? |
| 09:37:07 | NoRemorse | are the qt-libs included in the SDK? |
| 09:37:10 | NoRemorse | sure did |
| 09:37:15 | Com[Plex] | hm. |
| 09:37:16 | NoRemorse | from that web page url? |
| 09:37:27 | Com[Plex] | yes |
| 09:38:09 | NoRemorse | ./sharp/lib/libqte.so.2 |
| 09:38:13 | NoRemorse | is that qt libs?! |
| 09:38:37 | NoRemorse | dun worry I'll edit the configure script and check what it's looking for |
| 09:39:36 | NoRemorse | oeerrr --without-qt-libraries |
| 09:39:39 | NoRemorse | might try that first |
| 09:40:24 | NoRemorse | made no diff |
| 09:41:36 | NoRemorse | hrm looks like I gotta install them |
| 09:44:01 | NoRemorse | YES |
| 09:44:01 | NoRemorse | http://rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/netwinder/netwinder/RPMS/dm/3.1-15/qt-2.0.1-5.armv4l.html |
| 09:47:12 | NoRemorse | its from trolltech, GOTTA be on the right track now! |
| 09:53:06 | NoRemorse | *SOB* |
| 09:53:09 | NoRemorse | rpm -Uvh qt-2.0.1-5.armv4l.rpm --nodeps |
| 09:53:09 | NoRemorse | package qt-2.0.1-5 is for a different architecture |
| 09:53:12 | NoRemorse | yawn |
| 09:53:17 | NoRemorse | is licq really wor.th it?! |
| 09:53:42 | treke|home | its also the wrong version |
| 09:53:55 | NoRemorse | of qtlib? |
| 09:53:58 | treke|home | yes |
| 09:54:10 | NoRemorse | trek how to I install qt libs INTo the crosscompiler environment? |
| 09:54:19 | NoRemorse | right version and all... |
| 09:54:21 | treke|home | compile it |
| 09:54:29 | NoRemorse | oh.silly me. |
| 09:54:32 | NoRemorse | :) |
| 09:54:51 | treke|home | http://opie.handhelds.org/wiki/index.php3?SourceCode |
| 09:55:29 | NoRemorse | ta |
| 09:55:32 | treke|home | Part of the process is compiling QT- Embeded, using a specific configuration which leaves out parts that lirc most likely uses |
| 09:55:40 | treke|home | :) |
| 09:56:02 | Com[Plex] | k. I give up. part are ordered. I must sleep now. |
| 09:56:35 | NoRemorse | does the crosscompiler or SDK come with qt embedded? |
| 09:56:47 | treke|home | the SDK does |
| 09:57:27 | NoRemorse | I got the sdk, the free one. |
| 09:57:38 | NoRemorse | do I just have to set envireonment variables? |
| 09:57:42 | treke|home | right |
| 09:58:02 | treke|home | and then you have to get lirc to pay attention to them |
| 09:58:34 | NoRemorse | ok! |
| 09:58:40 | NoRemorse | so I dont need to install qt tho? |
| 09:59:05 | NoRemorse | it's not licq that needs them its qt-gui |
| 09:59:17 | treke|home | right |
| 10:00:49 | NoRemorse | ok ta |
| 10:02:06 | NoRemorse | hrm the SDK doesnt have libqt, just libqte is it the same? |
| 10:04:30 | treke|laptop | libqte is what you need |
| 10:04:38 | treke|laptop | its equivalent to libqt |
| 10:06:44 | NoRemorse | ah thanks :) |
| 10:06:54 | NoRemorse | so now I gotta get qt-gui to realise thats it |
| 10:09:34 | NoRemorse | w00t |
| 10:09:35 | NoRemorse | checking for QT libraries... yes, lib: -lqt in /opt/Qtopia/sharp/lib |
| 10:09:35 | NoRemorse | checking for QT includes... /opt/Qtopia/sharp/include |
| 10:09:49 | NoRemorse | alas |
| 10:09:50 | NoRemorse | checking for QT >= 2.1... no |
| 10:09:50 | NoRemorse | configure: error: |
| 10:09:50 | NoRemorse | Sorry, but you need QT version 2.1 or higher to compile the Qt gui plugin. |
| 10:10:51 | treke|laptop | my copy of the sdk doesnt contain libqt.so, just qte. Are you sure you didnt install something extra? |
| 10:11:16 | NoRemorse | nope |
| 10:11:22 | NoRemorse | nah it hasnt got libqt |
| 10:11:31 | NoRemorse | I modded the configure file to look for libqte instead |
| 10:11:56 | treke|laptop | it might be looking for something that isnt in libqte |
| 10:12:28 | NoRemorse | wont be surprised |
| 10:12:48 | NoRemorse | making now will soon find out |
| 10:13:23 | NoRemorse | barfed |
| 10:13:34 | NoRemorse | userbox.h:147: `QDragEnterEvent' was not declared in this scope |
| 10:13:34 | NoRemorse | userbox.h:147: parse error before `)' |
| 10:14:18 | NoRemorse | well if u ever hear of qt-gui being compiled for Z let me know and I'll do licq :) |
| 10:14:26 | NoRemorse | meanwhile I have a life... |
| 10:14:29 | treke|laptop | drag and drop isnt supported :) |
| 10:14:37 | NoRemorse | ah ok |
| 10:14:39 | NoRemorse | hang |
| 10:15:16 | NoRemorse | hrm need to disable it somwhow |
| 10:15:59 | NoRemorse | nah that looks like I need a newer QT' |
| 10:17:59 | NoRemorse | haw. the minimum allocation of IPv6 will allow enough ip's for 1 billion ip's each for 241 thousand customers.. |
| 10:18:54 | NoRemorse | hmm trek gt-gui is a plugin for licq I wonder if I can tell it that it doesnt even need it? |
| 10:20:09 | NoRemorse | ah I see, it's an optiom, I just need a different gui... |
| 10:48:08 | NoRemorse | trek I am trying to run licq with a plugin called "rms" andI get this error, any clues?! |
| 10:48:08 | NoRemorse | 0:47:06: [ERR] Unable to load plugin (./liblicq_rms.a): ./liblicq_rms.a: ELF file version does not match current one. |
| 12:14:13 | mark | is away: lunch |
| 12:20:35 | nems | Hey everyone. |
| 12:35:56 | nmendes | howdy |
| 12:38:06 | nmendes | can anyone explain me how to update busybox ? |
| 12:38:08 | bipolar | is away: I'm not here... Really.... |
| 12:38:17 | nmendes | as the fs is read-only |
| 12:38:19 | bipolar | is back (gone 00:00:03) |
| 12:46:55 | nems | Has anyone heard anything good/bad about Dane-Elec compact flash cards? |
| 12:48:08 | nems | nmendes: In the sharp rom? |
| 12:48:39 | nmendes | nems: ok I got it. I'll have to change my path or play with aliases |
| 12:48:52 | nems | If you're using sharp, yes, pretty much. |
| 12:49:19 | nmendes | hmm... my terminal doesn't looks like the screenshot on www.killefiz.de |
| 13:18:26 | nems | nmendes : what terminal are you using? |
| 13:47:12 | mark | catalin: gotta new knights ipk if you wanna test. |
| 13:49:13 | catalin | mark: sure |
| 13:49:45 | catalin | send it over |
| 13:50:31 | Dilbert- | Hi |
| 13:50:50 | Dilbert- | catalin: do you have some results for me ? :) |
| 13:56:26 | nems | Heya BigBoss ... how's the divx player coming? :) |
| 13:57:09 | BigBoss | it's working |
| 13:57:14 | BigBoss | I showed it at the Handango summit |
| 13:57:20 | BigBoss | the UI needs to be finished though |
| 13:58:42 | Twiun | Cool ;-) will you document what codecs are supported? |
| 13:59:34 | BigBoss | I'm sure we will since that is part of the appeal (knowing what you can do) :) |
| 14:00:21 | Twiun | That's great. The biggest problem with the mpeg4 player that was around (in one of the old roms) was that I could never figure out what video/audio codec combination to use |
| 14:00:36 | Twiun | Even the demo files couldn't be identified reliably |
| 14:28:28 | nmendes | re |
| 14:29:05 | nmendes | is there a light text viewer with find capabilities? (not being vi!) :) |
| 14:29:29 | BigBoss | tkcEditor |
| 14:29:59 | nmendes | is that free ? |
| 14:30:11 | tboc | nope |
| 14:30:22 | mark | nmendes: kvim... ;) |
| 14:30:22 | catalin | nmendes: was you last meal free ? :) |
| 14:30:36 | nmendes | catalin: hmmm... |
| 14:30:44 | nmendes | catalin: not the last one :) |
| 14:30:55 | catalin | nmendes: lol |
| 14:30:58 | mark | heh, thats an idea, open source meals |
| 14:31:39 | nmendes | eheh |
| 14:31:40 | catalin | mark: yup, sign me in for those :) |
| 14:32:00 | Twiun | Hah, made from open source ingredients |
| 14:32:06 | ljp_ | they got em.. its called the hari krishnas |
| 14:32:17 | catalin | ljp_: yuck |
| 14:32:28 | ljp_ | or food bank |
| 14:32:58 | catalin | now the question is: if I eat GPL food do I need to release my body under a GPL license ? |
| 14:33:15 | Twiun | Nah... only the resulting product |
| 14:33:22 | Twiun | product(s) even |
| 14:33:27 | catalin | prepares to send an email to RMS |
| 14:34:00 | catalin | together with some GPL samples |
| 14:34:14 | mark | catalin: hehe |
| 14:34:19 | BigBoss | :) |
| 14:34:36 | catalin | bb: wanna contribute ? |
| 14:35:15 | Twiun | I'm sure he's got plenty of hot air to share ;-) |
| 14:35:21 | Twiun | grins |
| 14:35:29 | catalin | rotflmao |
| 14:35:48 | catalin | Twiun: it's called "domestic fuel" |
| 14:36:02 | benmeyer | Morning! |
| 14:36:07 | mark | hi benmeyer |
| 14:36:14 | catalin | re benmeyer |
| 14:36:42 | benmeyer | Ah, back from Handago's singig |
| 14:36:47 | benmeyer | singdid |
| 14:37:01 | benmeyer | Anything exciting happen? |
| 14:37:17 | benmeyer | Starting to compile a list of wireless cards, with their specs |
| 14:37:27 | benmeyer | anyone have one that they would like me to add? |
| 14:38:24 | BigBoss | so the GPL version 3 needs to include food and waste product |
| 14:38:33 | BigBoss | perhaps I should write a commentary on it :) |
| 14:39:47 | catalin | and get RMS's holy GPL pee on it :) |
| 14:39:51 | mark | watches gnuchess play itself |
| 14:40:39 | benmeyer | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2031572320 |
| 14:40:41 | benmeyer | repeater? |
| 14:44:01 | nmendes | uhmm |
| 14:44:10 | nmendes | whats the diff. between ogg and mp3 ? |
| 14:44:23 | ljp_ | hype |
| 14:44:28 | nmendes | ah ok |
| 14:44:28 | nmendes | :) |
| 14:44:47 | nmendes | straight answer |
| 14:45:49 | ljp_ | that was my straight answer |
| 14:46:09 | nmendes | and it was enough :) |
| 14:46:17 | tboc | ljp_: another little diff is that ogg is free i suppose |
| 14:46:34 | benmeyer | OZ 10 is out now/ |
| 14:46:35 | benmeyer | ? |
| 14:46:49 | nmendes | yuck. tkc products looks like XP env. |
| 14:47:01 | mark | hehe |
| 14:47:09 | benmeyer | that is because they have a nice big slow theme that makes it look that way |
| 14:47:18 | benmeyer | but some people like it more |
| 14:47:25 | BigBoss | except for Ben |
| 14:47:31 | tboc | nmendes: yeah, obviously they copied from several sources till they got their prog ;) |
| 14:47:35 | BigBoss | he says it makes the embedded apps look even worse |
| 14:47:49 | nmendes | eheh |
| 14:47:57 | benmeyer | define "the" |
| 14:48:00 | nmendes | it's not very attractive to hand apps |
| 14:48:03 | tboc | benmeyer: even slower than it already is? =) |
| 14:48:06 | benmeyer | yah |
| 14:48:19 | BigBoss | just can't seem to give it up eh Ben? |
| 14:48:29 | benmeyer | You can see the them re-painting in some apps such as the media player |
| 14:48:40 | tboc | benmeyer: oh :( |
| 14:48:46 | benmeyer | i.e. possible pixmap theme and not code? |
| 14:49:02 | nmendes | anyone knows ThinkDB for Palm ? |
| 14:49:05 | nmendes | I miss it ... |
| 14:49:14 | nmendes | as well as AvantGo |
| 14:49:15 | ljp_ | they need to hire a painter that can do thatfaster then |
| 14:49:16 | nmendes | :| |
| 14:49:21 | mark | avantgo is our biggest miss |
| 14:49:28 | nmendes | it is |
| 14:49:31 | tboc | benmeyer: and i thougt TT's code was slow =) |
| 14:49:36 | nmendes | mark: why 'our' ? |
| 14:49:54 | mark | nmendes: our as in the communities |
| 14:49:59 | nmendes | our as zaurus owners ? |
| 14:50:00 | nmendes | ok |
| 14:50:10 | mark | BigBoss: gonna write an AvantGo client? |
| 14:50:14 | tboc | mark: hmm... why don't you just fetch the pages with wget and a little script? |
| 14:50:25 | HrAbbey | What is avantgo exactly? I've never used it. |
| 14:50:29 | mark | tboc: only allows one way communication |
| 14:50:38 | BigBoss | nmendes: we have tkcRekall coming shortly for the Z |
| 14:50:39 | HrAbbey | Is it like wwwoffle? |
| 14:50:39 | nmendes | HrAbbey: an advanced wget :) |
| 14:50:43 | ljp_ | avantgo to me is a pen/stylus making company |
| 14:51:05 | nmendes | ljp: www.avantgo.com |
| 14:51:15 | tboc | mark: i don't get that ... you just need to fetch the pages if they're different? |
| 14:51:41 | BigBoss | I tried avantgo, but I found it annoying |
| 14:51:48 | mark | tboc: firstly that. secondly, with avantgo you can fill out forms and the like offline, and they get sent back up when you are syncing |
| 14:52:16 | tboc | mark: oh, ic |
| 14:52:21 | HrAbbey | So wwwoffle with a nice gui interface? |
| 14:52:25 | ljp_ | owns an avantgo pen/stylus |
| 14:52:59 | HrAbbey | Has anybody here used both wwwoffle and advantgo that can compare the 2 for me? |
| 14:52:59 | nmendes | ljp: :) |
| 14:53:09 | nmendes | is that compat. with Z? |
| 14:53:20 | nmendes | what's wwwoffle really ? |
| 14:53:32 | nmendes | or where is it available |
| 14:54:01 | HrAbbey | wWWOFFLE - World Wide Web Offline Explorer |
| 14:54:02 | HrAbbey | : available as part of Debian (arm too). |
| 14:54:06 | nmendes | ah |
| 14:54:12 | Nadav | must.. get.. internet.. for... z |
| 14:54:15 | nmendes | ok |
| 14:54:18 | nmendes | eheh |
| 14:54:33 | mark | also, its hard to find some of the actual pages the avantgo contetn comes from |
| 14:54:40 | | OK, HrAbbey. |
| 14:54:40 | HrAbbey | ibot wwwoffle is available at http://www.gedanken.demon.co.uk/wwwoffle/ |
| 14:54:44 | nmendes | but the key feature on AvantGo is the format of documents |
| 14:54:51 | nmendes | thanks |
| 14:55:01 | nmendes | there's webplucker I used it once |
| 14:55:03 | HrAbbey | Some avantgo pages don't have a HTML equivalent?!? |
| 14:55:18 | ljp_ | ya I found my avantgo pen works best on paper |
| 14:55:29 | nmendes | ljp: was that supposed ? |
| 14:55:32 | HrAbbey | What's avantgo's format? Compressed? Or the way it looks on screen? |
| 14:55:51 | nmendes | HrAbbey: have you saw their site ? |
| 14:56:10 | nmendes | HrAbbey: I think there are different tags than HTML on it |
| 14:56:12 | nmendes | not sure, though |
| 14:56:18 | HrAbbey | nmendes: looked at it, but hard to dig through the corporate mumbo jumbo. |
| 14:56:38 | nmendes | eheh... true true! |
| 14:56:52 | mark | syncml or something based |
| 14:57:56 | nmendes | it's amazing how they've grown |
| 14:58:13 | nmendes | before, it was quite easy to find info |
| 14:58:27 | nmendes | (that's how we see a company dimension today) |
| 15:00:46 | HrAbbey | So, if I understand right, Avantgo is an easy way to get info from Internet "channels" onto palm devices. |
| 15:01:08 | mark | yes |
| 15:01:15 | nmendes | channels made according to AvantGo specs |
| 15:03:06 | HrAbbey | So for equivalence, we'd need a good wwwoffle interface and setup, and an Advantgo channel to html converter. |
| 15:03:17 | HrAbbey | right? Am I missing anything? |
| 15:07:54 | nmendes | don't think so. at least for the basic features |
| 15:07:54 | nmendes | the rest, off line form manager etc... |
| 15:07:55 | nmendes | I never used it really |
| 15:08:12 | nmendes | I just used avantgo to sync channels and read offline |
| 15:08:17 | mark | wwwoffle does ofline forms |
| 15:08:31 | nmendes | oh. excellent then |
| 15:09:38 | mark | HrAbbey: you gonna write it then? :) |
| 15:09:43 | nmendes | http://www.webreview.com/2000/12_08/developers/12_08_00_1.shtml |
| 15:09:48 | HrAbbey | I'll try to work out a good ipk for WWWoffle. |
| 15:09:50 | nmendes | "Creating AvantGo Channels for the Palm" |
| 15:10:08 | nmendes | HrAbbey: I'll offer you dinner if you come to Lisbon (Portugal)! |
| 15:10:11 | nmendes | :] |
| 15:10:17 | HrAbbey | It's got a usable I/face for inside Opera. |
| 15:10:27 | HrAbbey | nmendes : thx! |
| 15:10:45 | nmendes | np :) |
| 15:10:49 | HrAbbey | I'll also make a todo list for all you excellent Qtopia programmers out there... ;) |
| 15:12:09 | mark | HrAbbey: <HrAbbey> It's got a usable I/face for inside Opera. -- how do you mean? |
| 15:12:44 | HrAbbey | mark: Wwwoffle is quite corntrollable inside Opera. It doesn't have it's own Qt or X interface. |
| 15:13:00 | HrAbbey | It's a command line program and daemon. |
| 15:13:18 | mark | oh its got a web configuration interface does it? |
| 15:13:24 | HrAbbey | mark: Bingo. |
| 15:13:53 | mark | I see, cool |
| 15:13:58 | nmendes | gonna get it |
| 15:14:20 | mark | looks forward to an ipk |
| 15:14:20 | nmendes | there's a ipk on debian's site ? |
| 15:14:27 | HrAbbey | I posted a bit of what to do for it on the Z ages ago on z-gen. |
| 15:14:35 | HrAbbey | I got it from a deb from debian arm. |
| 15:14:46 | HrAbbey | I've yet to make an ipk. |
| 15:14:51 | nmendes | you can't send it by chance ? |
| 15:14:55 | nmendes | :] |
| 15:14:59 | mark | HrAbbey: so from the web config you tell it which pages to download? |
| 15:17:24 | | OK, HrAbbey. |
| 15:17:24 | HrAbbey | ibot wwwoffle also is available at http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/binary-arm/web/wwwoffle_2.5c-10.deb |
| 15:17:49 | HrAbbey | mark: Yes. But it's easier than that too. |
| 15:18:02 | mark | HrAbbey: go on... |
| 15:18:10 | nmendes | found it too :) |
| 15:18:10 | HrAbbey | It's a proxy, so you just browse around, and it'll get any pages it doesn't already have |
| 15:18:40 | nmendes | let me just ask: what do I do with a .deb file and Z ? |
| 15:18:50 | BigBoss | spank it |
| 15:18:53 | nmendes | ahah |
| 15:19:00 | mark | HrAbbey: I see |
| 15:19:04 | nmendes | at least it wasn't "rape it" |
| 15:19:09 | HrAbbey | nmendes: dpkg-deb ... |
| 15:19:11 | mark | HrAbbey: I'd like it to get the news for me every morning - possible? |
| 15:19:29 | HrAbbey | mark: Easy. Via web config, set up a monitored page. |
| 15:19:39 | nmendes | hmm |
| 15:19:46 | nmendes | that sounds good |
| 15:20:19 | nmendes | [root@africa scripts]# dpkg-deb |
| 15:20:19 | nmendes | bash: dpkg-deb: command not found |
| 15:20:20 | mark | HrAbbey: okay, i'm isntalling it inot my pc atm |
| 15:20:23 | nmendes | uh oh |
| 15:20:54 | HrAbbey | nmendes: I meant on the Z. Which distro your desktop on? |
| 15:20:54 | nmendes | I guess I should have Debian right now |
| 15:21:09 | nmendes | Win or RH |
| 15:21:13 | HrAbbey | nmendes: do you have alien? It's probably avail for your distro. |
| 15:21:22 | HrAbbey | RH I'm sure has it. |
| 15:21:35 | nmendes | I'll see |
| 15:23:52 | nmendes | I don't |
| 15:23:57 | nmendes | I'll look for it |
| 15:25:11 | HrAbbey | Here's my VERY preliminary intro for WWWOFFLE on Z: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=1454469 |
| 15:25:24 | nmendes | eheh |
| 15:26:19 | nmendes | goof |
| 15:26:26 | nmendes | s/goof/good |
| 15:28:13 | HrAbbey | Later all. I now actually have something to do... |
| 15:28:54 | nmendes | later :) |
| 15:29:11 | nmendes | brb |
| 15:33:35 | mark | gah, i need to compile ipv6 support into my kernel |
| 15:36:31 | mark | ljp_: new version of knights for ur testing pleasure |
| 15:36:41 | ljp_ | ok! send away |
| 15:37:22 | ljp_ | hmmm-> http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS7465736011.html |
| 15:37:32 | ljp_ | its about time... heh |
| 15:38:32 | ljp_ | about time, cause I first heard that in December |
| 15:38:51 | mark | ljp_: -> query |
| 15:41:03 | zecke | hi bots and cloners |
| 15:41:25 | ljp_ | mark: got it |
| 15:41:52 | mark | ljp_: goodo |
| 15:41:54 | mark | zecke: hehe |
| 16:07:01 | benmeyer | D-Link, Link-Sys, Buffalo, What other wirless cards work on the z? |
| 16:08:23 | Twiun | benmeyer: did you download those repackaged ipks? |
| 16:09:50 | benmeyer | Twiun: yup |
| 16:10:28 | warmi | hi |
| 16:11:06 | Twiun | benmeyer: great, any problems? |
| 16:11:06 | mark | hiya warmi |
| 16:11:57 | warmi | mark: still having problems with knights/phalanx combo ? |
| 16:12:52 | ljp_ | is there a chess engine maybe named dumbass chess? |
| 16:12:55 | mark | warmi: oh woops, forgot to send you the capabilites file |
| 16:13:27 | warmi | that's fine .. send it sometime today |
| 16:13:29 | mark | warmi: its working nicely |
| 16:13:38 | warmi | great |
| 16:13:51 | warmi | what's projected date for release ? |
| 16:14:07 | mark | when I get rid of all these sodding bugs |
| 16:14:19 | mark | warmi: http://www.houseoffish.org/mantis |
| 16:14:20 | warmi | ljp: yeah ... iplaying against me |
| 16:14:57 | mark | warmi: should be a few days. emailed t he original author, he is happy with me selling it on handago |
| 16:18:17 | warmi | mark: is knights gpl ? |
| 16:18:36 | mark | yes |
| 16:18:50 | killefiz | hey - i don't have net access for my z here - has anyone already tried korganizer? |
| 16:18:58 | warmi | is it out ? |
| 16:19:21 | warmi | hehe |
| 16:19:36 | warmi | looks great |
| 16:19:39 | killefiz | yes: http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=255 |
| 16:21:13 | killefiz | This is the embedded version of KOrganizer. It includes a replacement for the |
| 16:21:13 | killefiz | KDE libraries called microkde, which provides the KDE specific functions |
| 16:21:14 | killefiz | KOrganizer needs, but does not add the overhead of the complete implementation. |
| 16:21:14 | killefiz | KOrganizer/E compiles with Qt/Embedded 2.3.2 and the corresponding QPE libs. |
| 16:21:34 | zecke | killefiz: hehe |
| 16:21:52 | zecke | killefiz: the microkde is no kde ar all |
| 16:22:04 | warmi | huh .. microkde ha ? |
| 16:22:07 | warmi | interesting concept |
| 16:22:18 | warmi | I am gonna try it tonight . |
| 16:22:38 | zecke | warmi: the same konq/e did |
| 16:22:39 | warmi | mark: "Main window too big " << interesting bug |
| 16:22:41 | warmi | heeheh |
| 16:22:59 | zecke | warmi: class KFooBarClass { public: void fooBar() { } } |
| 16:23:10 | warmi | zecke: that's the problem with KDE |
| 16:23:10 | killefiz | zecke: i'm keen to see if korganizer/e really survives massive korganizer for kde development |
| 16:23:19 | mark | warmi: hehe |
| 16:23:22 | mark | zecke: Microkde is useful |
| 16:23:37 | warmi | everything , even frigging QLabel has its own version of KLabel |
| 16:23:38 | warmi | hehe |
| 16:23:40 | zecke | mark: for porting yes |
| 16:23:51 | mark | yeah |
| 16:24:19 | warmi | "Castling through check" <,/ that sounds like an evaluattion code problem |
| 16:24:24 | warmi | will be harder to fix |
| 16:24:30 | mark | yes |
| 16:24:47 | warmi | that's why in ZChess I just ripped exsiting chess engine and used their tried and true code for evaluation :-) |
| 16:24:56 | mark | hehe |
| 16:25:03 | mark | stop boasting :P |
| 16:25:30 | mark | I may leave that bug in for 1.0 'accidently' :P |
| 16:25:43 | warmi | nah .. seriously, I looked at how much knowledge is involved in writing even basic chess position validation code and decided it was too much |
| 16:26:00 | warmi | heeheh |
| 16:26:06 | warmi | that's a minor bug |
| 16:26:15 | mark | warmi: this castling through check is the only problem. i'm gonna report it to Knights main devels and hope they fix it hehe |
| 16:27:00 | warmi | mark: your engine should report an error when you try to do stuff like that |
| 16:27:34 | mark | gnuchess doesn't |
| 16:27:41 | warmi | can't be |
| 16:27:59 | warmi | are you saying that gnuchess doesn't know how to play chess ? |
| 16:28:01 | warmi | lol |
| 16:28:48 | mark | hehe |
| 16:28:53 | mark | okay, knights doesn't pick it up |
| 16:28:56 | mark | anyway, minor bug. :) |
| 16:29:09 | ljp_ | I can say that, cause you cant make it look the other way, while you move stuff around |
| 16:29:19 | warmi | hehehe |
| 16:29:26 | warmi | well, you can .. sort of |
| 16:29:37 | warmi | if you mess around with the code and press some secret key |
| 16:29:52 | ljp_ | ahhhhhhh.. a secret 'cheaters' code, eh? |
| 16:30:26 | warmi | yeah, CTRL+Z+SHIFT+F2 will give you additional Queen |
| 16:30:28 | warmi | stuff like that |
| 16:30:34 | warmi | heh |
| 16:30:55 | warmi | ljp: you do play chess a lot right ? |
| 16:30:55 | ljp_ | hmmmm.. cool. just like Mormans.. |
| 16:30:58 | mark | hopes warmi is joking |
| 16:31:10 | ljp_ | me.. no... not much.. |
| 16:31:10 | warmi | mark: hehe .. what do you think ? |
| 16:31:27 | warmi | I am too lazy to put that kind of stuff in my zchess |
| 16:31:46 | mark | hehe |
| 16:31:51 | mark | warmi: the engine would have to support it too |
| 16:31:58 | benmeyer | Where is the mime type file on the z? |
| 16:32:22 | warmi | mark: I could fake it ... switch it to edit mode then back etc .. |
| 16:32:35 | mark | warmi: true |
| 16:32:40 | mark | warmi: ZChess have an edit mode? |
| 16:32:50 | warmi | ljp: you remember when I asked you about installing so libs on Z last night ? |
| 16:32:56 | warmi | mark: not in 1.0 |
| 16:33:24 | mark | warmi: ditto for knights. i want to add it though |
| 16:33:33 | warmi | trying to create various so links will cause your package to fail on fat file systems |
| 16:33:37 | warmi | it just sucks |
| 16:33:44 | sig | sup guys |
| 16:33:54 | mark | hi SirPsycho |
| 16:33:59 | mark | hi sig even |
| 16:33:59 | warmi | I am just going to install sqlite.so.2 and be done with it |
| 16:34:00 | ljp_ | warmi: yes.. kinda.. what did you ask? |
| 16:34:20 | mark | sig: you coulda just tried another run level yesterday dn wget'ed what you wanted |
| 16:34:20 | warmi | I tried to install sqlite.so.2 with typical soft links |
| 16:34:24 | ljp_ | warmi: oohh. ya.. hmmm |
| 16:34:31 | sig | mark: I figured out how to download files straight to the z without them being jacked up by opera |
| 16:34:33 | warmi | and it fails on CF/SD because it is fat filesystem |
| 16:34:50 | ljp_ | put the links in /opt/QtPalmtop/lib |
| 16:35:01 | ljp_ | hmm noo.. that wont work |
| 16:35:05 | sig | I used "konqueror" web browser |
| 16:35:20 | sig | anyone have tkcJabber? |
| 16:35:20 | warmi | using single sqlite.so.2 file won't work ? |
| 16:35:36 | warmi | it does work .. it won't work for upgrades nicely but it does work :-) |
| 16:36:05 | ljp_ | warmi: ya probably... |
| 16:36:23 | mark | sings 'another bug bites the dust' |
| 16:36:29 | sig | mark: do you have tkcJabber? |
| 16:36:37 | mark | no |
| 16:36:40 | sig | hmm |
| 16:36:53 | mark | how did you get konqueror installed? |
| 16:36:55 | sig | I got the paint prog |
| 16:37:00 | sig | from tkc |
| 16:37:07 | sig | i downloaded it |
| 16:37:11 | sig | you want the url? |
| 16:37:13 | mark | nah |
| 16:37:19 | mark | i just wondered how you got it onto ur Z |
| 16:37:28 | sig | wget |
| 16:37:30 | mark | warmi: wow. only 1 bug, and thats the castling one. |
| 16:37:35 | mark | sig: how did you get a console? |
| 16:37:42 | warmi | mark: good for you |
| 16:37:43 | sig | came with the cd |
| 16:37:57 | sig | then I used konqueror to get the embeddedkonsole |
| 16:38:09 | mark | sig: ah okay |
| 16:38:20 | warmi | I have a 4 MB database file I want to put on Z and it won't install in RAM despite having 6 MBs free .. I hate this stupid ipkg crap |
| 16:38:34 | sig | mark: I thought it was a seperate terminal, it just adds cool features to the standing terminal |
| 16:38:36 | sig | kinda cool |
| 16:38:57 | mark | warmi: I need to do an about box, including GPL text and credit to orignal authors to comply |
| 16:39:04 | sig | I'm looking for tkcJabber now though |
| 16:39:07 | sig | zic sucks |
| 16:39:08 | sig | hehe |
| 16:39:35 | sig | I got the "evolution-sync.pl" for my z |
| 16:39:40 | mark | warmi: may b e able to release today/tomorrow |
| 16:39:41 | sig | works with evolution |
| 16:39:45 | warmi | entire GPL license ? just point people to gnu.org or something like that |
| 16:40:00 | whardier | HIE! |
| 16:40:15 | whardier | YAH! |
| 16:40:22 | whardier | chops this channel in two |
| 16:40:59 | mark | warmi: yeh, maybe |
| 16:41:20 | sig_Zaurus | ok im on with the little guy now |
| 16:41:31 | whardier | haha |
| 16:41:37 | whardier | that sounded wrong |
| 16:42:02 | sig_Zaurus | heh. only cause you think like that |
| 16:42:08 | mark | warmi: screenshots at http://www.houseoffish.org/knights/ if ur interested |
| 16:42:41 | sig | knights_0.92_arm.ipk <--- whats that? |
| 16:43:12 | zecke|away | the tt contest judges were on dope for sure |
| 16:43:14 | warmi | I can recognize engine selection dialog |
| 16:43:16 | warmi | heheeh |
| 16:43:19 | mark | ;-) |
| 16:43:19 | warmi | zecke|away: why ? |
| 16:43:28 | zecke|away | stash didn't won the beta round |
| 16:43:37 | mark | and my metronome did |
| 16:43:38 | mark | yeh, they were doped |
| 16:43:44 | mark | sig: something that shouldn't be there |
| 16:43:46 | warmi | zecke|away: I know .. |
| 16:43:51 | sig | heh |
| 16:44:01 | zecke|away | mark: your app was in a different category |
| 16:44:04 | warmi | but .. maybe, just maybe there were some technical problems with it .. like inability to compile etc ? |
| 16:44:12 | sig | mark: plus konqueror is a decent file browser |
| 16:44:14 | zecke|away | but cu |
| 16:46:11 | sig | i got a sshot for you mark |
| 16:47:25 | sig | mark you there? |
| 16:58:44 | W|GGL|T | is back (gone 09:17:49) |
| 16:59:37 | sig | my z won't send attatchments?? |
| 16:59:42 | sig | screenshots |
| 16:59:46 | sig | any ideas? |
| 17:03:12 | sig | ok I got a problem here |
| 17:03:15 | sig | anyone around? |
| 17:03:32 | sig | my zaurus won't send attatchments |
| 17:03:33 | sig | ?? |
| 17:25:56 | MEGASTeP | is back (gone 62:24:21) |
| 17:34:12 | sig | anyone here? |
| 17:34:22 | sig | bbl |
| 17:35:52 | mark | catalin: found any probs? |
| 17:38:46 | mark | warmi: looking at commadn line help to phalanx, can't find anything to turn of sbook |
| 17:39:07 | mark | warmi: also, shall we having resigning on for it? |
| 17:43:14 | warmi | huh |
| 17:43:18 | warmi | sorry I was away |
| 17:43:22 | mark | no probs |
| 17:43:46 | warmi | I found a switch to turn it off in their README file |
| 17:43:57 | warmi | I don't remember it now:-) |
| 17:43:58 | mark | oh right, |
| 17:44:03 | mark | not in ./phalanx --help |
| 17:44:09 | mark | if not, touching it works fine |
| 17:44:26 | warmi | yeah you could but that seems like hacking :-) |
| 17:44:34 | mark | heh |
| 17:44:39 | warmi | btw .. why do you mean by resigning ? |
| 17:44:44 | warmi | another option in capabilities ? |
| 17:44:55 | mark | -r <resign value in centipawns> default: 0 (no resigning) |
| 17:45:14 | warmi | see, that is the problem .... |
| 17:45:22 | mark | ? |
| 17:45:23 | warmi | every engine has some sort of sswitch to control something |
| 17:45:38 | mark | yep. that can go in capabilites though, and we can just choose some arbitry number |
| 17:45:38 | warmi | which is not supported by xboard protocol |
| 17:45:45 | mark | yeh I know, it sucks |
| 17:45:45 | darienm | mark: What is that keyboard icon that appears in your knights screenshots>? |
| 17:46:19 | mark | darienm: qjumpx input method |
| 17:46:29 | darienm | mark: url? |
| 17:46:31 | warmi | we would have to establish some sort of capability option along with description how you do it ( say .. resigning=1 , resignining_cmd_on= -r 0 resigning_cmd_off=0 |
| 17:46:35 | warmi | something like that |
| 17:47:05 | warmi | mark: if you are willing to include option like that in capabilities then by all means do it .. |
| 17:47:25 | mark | warmi: I really dont think I can be bothered - I'm not sure if its worth it |
| 17:47:26 | warmi | just send me the file so I can duplicate it on my end and make sure my app is working with it |
| 17:47:41 | warmi | mark: you know what ... let just skip it for now |
| 17:47:47 | mark | i think just putting -r 500 should be okay |
| 17:47:49 | warmi | maybe later we can extend it |
| 17:47:52 | mark | or 400 or something |
| 17:48:04 | mark | warmi: right on |
| 17:48:11 | warmi | it is up to you |
| 17:48:30 | warmi | just make sure you send me your final design for capabilities file |
| 17:49:02 | mark | design? I think we should leave it how it is for the moment |
| 17:49:30 | warmi | I mean , whatever modifications you made to the file |
| 17:49:33 | mark | okay |
| 17:49:35 | mark | cmd=-l- -P /opt/QtPalmtop/chess/engines/Phalanx -S /opt/QtPalmtop/chess/engines/Phalanx -r 300 |
| 17:49:42 | mark | is what I'm going for I think |
| 17:49:52 | warmi | just send me whole file - right now I am at work so I will forget it :-) |
| 17:49:58 | mark | heh, yeh, I will |
| 17:50:02 | warmi | if you could just mail it over to wrawdanik@warmi.net |
| 17:50:10 | mark | warmi: in th e future support for: -e <easy level 0...100> default: 0 (best play) would be nice |
| 17:50:21 | mark | darienm: no idea I'm afraid, comes with OPIE |
| 17:50:24 | benmeyer | warmi: do you have a -h? |
| 17:50:29 | benmeyer | i.e. list the options? |
| 17:50:32 | mark | darienm: try google |
| 17:50:44 | warmi | -h for which app ? |
| 17:50:49 | warmi | sorry I am confused :-) |
| 17:50:49 | benmeyer | puzz-le |
| 17:50:54 | benmeyer | no prob |
| 17:50:58 | darienm | mark: found it at opie.handhelds.org/feed/ipaq |
| 17:51:12 | warmi | no, no I don't - it wasn't meant to be user friendly .. more like testing- development switches :-) |
| 17:51:49 | mark | darienm: should do it |
| 17:52:20 | warmi | I am going to remake puzzle this week or so .. I have to include new graphic themes AND support for 400 original vexed levels .. that' |
| 17:52:30 | benmeyer | nice |
| 17:52:32 | mark | 400?! |
| 17:52:34 | warmi | that's going to be cool - 400 + levels for freem instantly :-) |
| 17:52:47 | mark | warmi: did you make the levels yourself? |
| 17:52:58 | warmi | original set I did |
| 17:53:01 | benmeyer | warmi: My wife finally beat puzz-le yesterday |
| 17:53:03 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 17:53:09 | warmi | ( I am talking like Yoda) |
| 17:53:11 | benmeyer | probably one of the few |
| 17:53:25 | warmi | benmayer: hehe .. she must be very patient then |
| 17:53:35 | warmi | the last level was meant as a joke :-) |
| 17:53:37 | mark | warmi: is puzzle a vexed 'clone'? I mean, i presume its the same kinda game? |
| 17:53:59 | mark | benmeyer, warmi: i can't believe that froot beat puzzle for the TT contest |
| 17:54:03 | warmi | mark: vexed is simpler .. doesn't support moving platforms, disapearing blocks etc ... just pure colored blocks |
| 17:54:28 | warmi | I based Puzz-le more on Brix which is great old game for PC ( circa 1992 or so) |
| 17:54:31 | mark | warmi: I see |
| 17:54:45 | warmi | welcome back Neo |
| 17:54:57 | benmeyer | mark: agreed |
| 17:55:00 | NeoTron | hey |
| 17:55:19 | tux_mike | warmi: i finally figured out how to do a lot of the data handling in my battletech program :) |
| 17:55:40 | warmi | how ? QMap ?? |
| 17:55:51 | warmi | I remember you went from QValueList to QList .. |
| 17:55:59 | warmi | heeh |
| 17:56:37 | mark | warmi: which do you thinks better? Phalanx or GNUChess? I'm thinking which to include by default |
| 17:56:40 | tux_mike | well, that data i was telling you about is gonna be an array, with a qdict for associating the ids with the indexes. |
| 17:57:07 | nems | Yay. got audio galaxy working. |
| 17:57:17 | whardier | oh happy shower |
| 17:57:29 | warmi | mark: I have no clue .. CRafty is the best but as far as these two .. beats me :-) go with gnuchess though ... better known and you can always make phalanx available as a separate ipkg |
| 17:57:41 | benmeyer | warmi: almost have your chess game done? |
| 17:57:59 | warmi | tux_mike: yeah .. makes perfect sense .... it will ensure integrity even for saved files |
| 17:58:26 | tux_mike | yah. |
| 17:59:08 | sig | attatchments don't work in my z's email |
| 17:59:13 | sig | they don't get sent |
| 17:59:30 | mark | warmi: okay. still nothing for crafty devels? |
| 18:01:05 | sig | anyone got tkcJabber? |
| 18:01:21 | [DrEvil] | I do |
| 18:01:22 | KhensU_ | ya |
| 18:01:45 | warmi | nothing yet mark |
| 18:01:50 | mark | gah |
| 18:01:50 | mark | :) |
| 18:01:58 | warmi | I haven't been very vigilant about it - busy with something else |
| 18:02:24 | mark | flew a glider called the vigilant |
| 18:04:14 | sig | mark |
| 18:04:17 | warmi | mark: you mean that engine-powered glider which , frankly, was a plane in disguise |
| 18:04:37 | sig | why won't my zaurus handle attatchments? i tried to attatch a screenshot and they don't work. |
| 18:04:56 | mark | warmi: yeh, that one |
| 18:05:29 | mark | sig: i do not know |
| 18:05:33 | sig | hmm |
| 18:05:37 | mark | warmi: ;-) |
| 18:06:33 | mark | warmi: you american? |
| 18:06:41 | warmi | no |
| 18:07:03 | warmi | I live in US though |
| 18:07:14 | mark | warmi: ah, thats what was confusing me. you didn't seem like one |
| 18:07:21 | sig | I already bought tkcPainter, how do i log back on to download it again without having to pay? |
| 18:07:45 | killefiz | sig: there is a download basket on tkc's site |
| 18:07:50 | sig | k |
| 18:08:13 | warmi | mark: my English (especially spelling and "the,a,an" stuff is not that great :-) |
| 18:09:16 | mark | warmi: it wasn't that. |
| 18:09:32 | sig | killefiz: i can't find the thing |
| 18:09:48 | sig | is it on the home page? |
| 18:09:54 | mark | warmi: where is your homeland then? |
| 18:10:06 | killefiz | sig: it's in the "products" menu |
| 18:10:14 | sig | ah, ok |
| 18:10:15 | sig | thnx |
| 18:10:21 | warmi | I was born in Poland |
| 18:10:31 | mark | I see |
| 18:10:38 | warmi | my mother was Polish and my father was German but I am native of Poland |
| 18:10:49 | nems | I was born in California. Thats practically a different country. :) |
| 18:10:51 | warmi | I could speak German well but I forgot most of it |
| 18:11:32 | warmi | I can still read though ... |
| 18:11:38 | warmi | sometimes comes handy |
| 18:11:41 | mark | warmi: interesting. |
| 18:11:49 | mark | yep, German is way more useful to me than my french |
| 18:12:01 | nems | I was learning japanese but never had anyone to talk to and lost it :p |
| 18:12:10 | warmi | oh man .. that's like a capital offense .. |
| 18:12:12 | warmi | lucky there are no French guys around |
| 18:12:25 | [DrEvil] | bleah |
| 18:12:25 | nems | lol |
| 18:12:27 | [DrEvil] | france |
| 18:12:29 | nems | hey doc |
| 18:12:29 | mark | warmi: hehe |
| 18:12:49 | sig | man I want tkcJabber |
| 18:12:51 | sig | !! |
| 18:12:52 | sig | heh |
| 18:12:54 | sig | :( |
| 18:13:04 | warmi | sig: ?? it is only like $10 or so |
| 18:13:09 | sig | 21 dollars |
| 18:13:19 | warmi | that high ? |
| 18:13:46 | sig | someone hook me up with "tkcBundle" |
| 18:13:48 | sig | :) |
| 18:14:00 | [DrEvil] | whore yourself to BigBoss |
| 18:14:07 | sig | :) |
| 18:14:12 | warmi | whoa .. they increased the price for their stuff a lot |
| 18:14:19 | killefiz | warmi: They've raised pretty much all prices last week |
| 18:14:29 | sig | bastards |
| 18:14:31 | sig | hehehe |
| 18:14:36 | warmi | well, I was the one who was bitching that their stuff was too cheap ... so I can't really complain |
| 18:14:37 | [DrEvil] | speak of the devil |
| 18:14:38 | warmi | hehe |
| 18:14:41 | mark | BigBoss: sig was just calling you a bastard :) |
| 18:14:59 | sig | mark: hehe |
| 18:15:03 | sig | no no no |
| 18:15:04 | sig | :) |
| 18:15:13 | sig | tkcPainter is kinda nice |
| 18:15:30 | sig | I want the tkcGallery.... wait.... I want them all!! |
| 18:15:38 | sig | I need to go mow some lawns or something |
| 18:15:43 | sig | to get some cash |
| 18:15:44 | [DrEvil] | buy the bundle |
| 18:15:49 | [DrEvil] | and then buy the PIM apps |
| 18:15:51 | mark | sig: there is an open source tkcGallery equiv I think |
| 18:15:52 | nems | bigboss raised all the prices? |
| 18:15:54 | sig | [DrEvil]: i would but I'm broke |
| 18:16:01 | sig | mark: gimme a link |
| 18:16:03 | nems | I need to get the tkcAddressbook. :/ |
| 18:16:11 | | ZSI is http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 18:16:11 | mark | ibot: ZSI |
| 18:16:14 | mark | sig: there |
| 18:16:16 | nems | As soon as I figure out ow to import ldap directories into my addressbook. |
| 18:16:17 | BigBoss | then get it |
| 18:16:22 | BigBoss | raised them on handango |
| 18:16:24 | warmi | sig: you can't be broke .... the Zaurus itself is not the cheapest toy around |
| 18:16:25 | BigBoss | go to our web site |
| 18:16:26 | nems | ahh |
| 18:16:31 | BigBoss | www.thekompany.com/embedded |
| 18:16:46 | nems | I didnt even know you had em on handango. I always went to your website... thats why I was thinkin I didnt remember them being higher. |
| 18:16:59 | mark | ljp_work: I think that you should charge BigBoss for you not to clone his apps :) :P |
| 18:17:06 | nems | BigBoss : As soon as I figure out how to get my ldap entries into my Z I'll buy it. :) |
| 18:17:09 | darienm | Paying $6 for the calendar made a lot of sense for the expanded week view, but the current price might be hard to swallow for some unless some of the visual glitches are corrected. |
| 18:17:10 | ljp_work | hehh workin on it.. |
| 18:17:23 | BigBoss | what glitches? |
| 18:17:27 | sig | BigBoss: costs lots of money |
| 18:17:32 | BigBoss | we added a bunch more features |
| 18:17:35 | warmi | darienm: it is only $9.85 |
| 18:17:37 | BigBoss | $9 is far from expensive |
| 18:17:43 | darienm | BigBoss: I already emailed them to you, for instance not knowing WHICH day it is in week view. |
| 18:17:45 | sig | BigBoss: for the bundle? |
| 18:17:48 | BigBoss | it's $8.95 on our site |
| 18:17:48 | sig | thats what I want |
| 18:17:50 | ljp_work | ya Photoshop is $600 |
| 18:17:51 | nems | ljp: Harlequin suggested I link the opieplayer myself... any suggestions or reading for what I need to do to do that? :) |
| 18:17:52 | warmi | hehehe |
| 18:17:53 | nems | 9 bucks is nothing. |
| 18:17:53 | BigBoss | bundle is $75 |
| 18:17:55 | nems | Even for a PDA app. |
| 18:18:02 | BigBoss | darienm: ok, then they are on the list |
| 18:18:03 | sig | BigBoss: it is 82 dollars |
| 18:18:09 | BigBoss | on Handango it is |
| 18:18:11 | nems | sig: go to thekompany.com |
| 18:18:13 | BigBoss | it is cheaper on our site |
| 18:18:15 | sig | I am |
| 18:18:16 | nems | Not through the middleman :) |
| 18:18:27 | warmi | darienm: go check prices for PocketPC apps .. |
| 18:18:27 | BigBoss | it's not $82 on our site |
| 18:18:32 | BigBoss | unless there is tax |
| 18:18:36 | BigBoss | are you in california? |
| 18:18:37 | warmi | tck stuff seems cheap compared to that |
| 18:18:50 | BigBoss | tkc stuff *is* cheap compared to pocketpc |
| 18:18:51 | sig | no |
| 18:18:59 | darienm | warmi: Re-read my statement. I wasn't complaining about the price at all. I bought the thing. |
| 18:19:02 | nems | You can save over 30% of the list price by purchasing our special tkcBundle, which includes all of the software you see here on this page, other than tkcCalendar and tkcAddressBook, for just $ 74.95 |
| 18:19:04 | BigBoss | sig: what are you looking at |
| 18:19:10 | sig | I don't see the bundle |
| 18:19:24 | nems | BigBoss: Cheap compared to pocket pc? Hell... we wont even talk price there... at least your stuff works. |
| 18:19:36 | warmi | well, you said that the current price ($9) was to much considering limitations of the app iteself |
| 18:19:51 | darienm | warmi: I said for _some_ it might be hard to swallow. |
| 18:19:58 | BigBoss | sig: at www.thekompany.com/embedded at the top of the page |
| 18:20:00 | darienm | warmi: only because there are few odds and ends to clean up |
| 18:20:07 | warmi | nems: stop right there ... no "MS stuff doesn't work" here |
| 18:20:07 | nems | BigBoss : Are updates free? |
| 18:20:16 | warmi | not after my Linux box died on my last night |
| 18:20:16 | sig | ah, ok |
| 18:20:18 | BigBoss | nems: yes for now |
| 18:20:18 | warmi | hehe |
| 18:20:19 | sig | thanks BigBoss |
| 18:20:22 | nems | warmi: I wasnt saying MS stuff doesnt work. I was saying a lot of pocket pc apps I've used have issues. |
| 18:20:29 | BigBoss | darienm: I would say those are feature requests rather than bugs |
| 18:20:31 | nems | warmi: The only real MS product I have a problem with is IIS :) |
| 18:20:38 | nems | And I wont go there. |
| 18:20:43 | sig | hey BigBoss, why can't i send e-mail attatchments? I was just trying to send a screenshot and it won't work |
| 18:20:49 | darienm | BigBoss: I never used the word "bugs:" |
| 18:21:01 | nems | warmi : what happened to your linux box? |
| 18:21:21 | ljp_work | tkc products dont have bugs.. those are features.. ;) |
| 18:21:33 | darienm | BigBoss: I used 'visual glitch" and "odds and ends"; and a calendar that doesnt hilite the current day in week view isn't doing part of its job, in my opinion. |
| 18:21:46 | BigBoss | sig: it's not my email product, I don't even use it. Our tkcEmail will do attachements (when we release it) |
| 18:21:52 | sig | I'm checking my bank account to see if I can buy the bundle... hehehehe |
| 18:22:01 | sig | BigBoss: sweet |
| 18:22:06 | nems | ljp: I take that as a no? :) |
| 18:22:11 | BigBoss | darienm: all your suggestions are listened to :) |
| 18:22:22 | whardier | all yourbsuffestions are belong to BigBoss |
| 18:22:24 | whardier | adfl;asjkdfl;sadkjf |
| 18:22:26 | darienm | BigBoss: that's why I keep sending them :) |
| 18:22:27 | whardier | fuck I can type! |
| 18:22:27 | sig | BigBoss: also make a browser that can download .ipk files without corrupting them cough cought *opera |
| 18:22:35 | dupedAgain | howdy! |
| 18:22:35 | [DrEvil] | what about the tckPornPlayer |
| 18:22:42 | whardier | teeheehee |
| 18:22:44 | nems | lol |
| 18:22:45 | sig | lol tkcpornplayer |
| 18:23:12 | nems | pokes ljp with a stick. |
| 18:23:21 | ljp_work | ouch |
| 18:23:21 | dupedAgain | so anyone wana fill me in with databases on the zaurus...?.. what db's are out there? |
| 18:23:29 | warmi | nems: acceleratedX died and took the kernel with it |
| 18:23:30 | nems | dupedAgain : My SQL is .. I dunno besides that. |
| 18:23:31 | ljp_work | poke whardier |
| 18:23:33 | warmi | I had to reboot |
| 18:23:37 | dupedAgain | serious mysql? |
| 18:23:42 | dupedAgain | thats perty kewl |
| 18:23:43 | nems | ljp: Harlequin suggested I link the opieplayer myself... any suggestions or reading for what I need to do to do that? :) |
| 18:23:45 | whardier | feels poked |
| 18:23:47 | dupedAgain | where can i get that download? |
| 18:23:55 | ljp_work | heh nems: start by looking at the opie cvs for opieplayer.. |
| 18:23:55 | nems | dupedAgain : killefiz.de I think? |
| 18:23:59 | | i guess ZSI is http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 18:23:59 | nems | ibot, ZSI? |
| 18:24:05 | BigBoss | tkcVideo will double as tkcPornPlayer :) |
| 18:24:06 | sig | I love my SL-5500 |
| 18:24:07 | nems | ljp: I did... I as hoping you had more info than that :) |
| 18:24:23 | nems | given my limited C skills. |
| 18:24:28 | darienm | KGrok is listed as a zaurus database application. haven't tried it yet. |
| 18:24:30 | killefiz | BigBoss: What format's will tkcVideo play? |
| 18:24:31 | nems | I do not have 'mad skillz' when it comes to C :) |
| 18:24:37 | sig | well I think I'm gonna have to put the bundle on the old credit card |
| 18:24:38 | sig | :) |
| 18:24:42 | whardier | poke ljp |
| 18:24:44 | whardier | ? |
| 18:25:09 | dupedAgain | thanks |
| 18:25:12 | ljp_work | divx plugin is libffmpeg.. there's really only one or two files that need (re) written. look at the libmad plugin for an example |
| 18:25:20 | nems | ok, I'll look., |
| 18:25:23 | [DrEvil] | ljpVideo |
| 18:25:27 | mark | hehe |
| 18:25:27 | sig | is there tax on this? |
| 18:25:51 | darienm | killefiz: I'm in a race against your other site visitors. I try and get the screenshots uploaded as soon as a new app is released. :) So far I think I'm doing ok. |
| 18:25:56 | nems | ljp: Does it basically just need to get the libffmpeg plugin cross compiled? (I'm not sure exactly what I'm trying to do here) |
| 18:26:01 | warmi | dupedAgain: you mean user-end database or what's available to programmers ? |
| 18:26:01 | BigBoss | killefiz: mpeg1, mpeg2, mpeg4, divx, avi to name a few |
| 18:26:19 | BigBoss | sig: there is tax in california, since we are in california |
| 18:26:21 | nems | I wish there was a smaller way to compress audio than mp3. |
| 18:26:26 | mark | ogg |
| 18:26:28 | [DrEvil] | what about a REAl codec? |
| 18:26:32 | sig | BigBoss: im in washington will i have to pay it? |
| 18:26:32 | BigBoss | ogg is smaller |
| 18:26:34 | nems | ogg was 90k smaller on a 3 meg file... |
| 18:26:46 | nems | So yes, it was smaller, but no significantly... unless I'm doing something wrong :) |
| 18:26:48 | BigBoss | nems: there are other issues with libffmpeg that cross compiling |
| 18:26:51 | warmi | nems: that's noise |
| 18:26:51 | killefiz | darienm: keep 'em coming ;) |
| 18:26:59 | nems | warmi: What do you mean? |
| 18:27:04 | darienm | killefiz: i did KOrganizer this morning. |
| 18:27:04 | nems | sig: no |
| 18:27:07 | nems | sig: only if you live in CA |
| 18:27:08 | sig | sweet |
| 18:27:08 | warmi | 90k oout of 3 MB is insignificant |
| 18:27:10 | mark | darienm: where is ur site? |
| 18:27:17 | nems | warmi: Yup. |
| 18:27:24 | darienm | mark: my site for what? personal? business? fun and games? |
| 18:27:32 | ljp_work | nems: no.. it'll compile fine.. it needs the libffmpegplugin to speak with the plugin... |
| 18:27:35 | mark | darienm: software index? or did I mis understand |
| 18:27:38 | killefiz | darienm: yeah - I remeber that there were no screenshots when I activated it |
| 18:27:47 | mark | darienm: or do you stuff at ZSI? |
| 18:27:50 | [DrEvil] | I want a handheld computer with a quantum processor |
| 18:27:52 | darienm | mark: no, I'm just in a mad screenshot posting frenzy on killefiz's site. |
| 18:27:53 | ljp_work | but looking at it.. seems I did some work at home, and no commit |
| 18:27:57 | mark | darienm: heeh |
| 18:27:57 | [DrEvil] | and quantum memory |
| 18:27:57 | warmi | darienm: you are the one who ported KOrganizer ? |
| 18:28:03 | [DrEvil] | think of everything you can store on it |
| 18:28:04 | mark | warmi: Cornelius did it |
| 18:28:05 | sig | tkcvideo doesn't come in the bundle |
| 18:28:05 | darienm | warmi: no no no |
| 18:28:10 | darienm | warmi: only SCREENSHOTS !! |
| 18:28:14 | warmi | oh ok |
| 18:28:14 | mark | sig: thats coz its not out yet |
| 18:28:16 | warmi | -) |
| 18:28:19 | sig | oh |
| 18:28:20 | sig | lol |
| 18:28:22 | mark | warmi: he wrote this microkde library for it |
| 18:28:33 | BigBoss | sig: the bundle now contains all it is going to contain |
| 18:28:44 | BigBoss | we will likely offer a tkcMediaBundle once all the media apps come out |
| 18:28:50 | benmeyer | BigBoss: was there an update today? |
| 18:28:52 | sig | BigBoss: k, cept I already bought tkcPainter |
| 18:28:52 | warmi | how big is microkde ? binary ? |
| 18:28:56 | benmeyer | saw on myzaurus.com |
| 18:29:01 | mark | warmi: I link statically |
| 18:29:08 | mark | warmi: 350k with everything in |
| 18:29:20 | warmi | mark: you use microkde ? |
| 18:29:20 | killefiz | I need more/better categories for the ZSI - any suggestions? |
| 18:29:24 | warmi | in Knights ? |
| 18:29:32 | mark | warmi: yep, saved me rewriting the config class |
| 18:29:33 | benmeyer | killefiz |
| 18:29:36 | killefiz | I'll create a PIM cat later today |
| 18:29:49 | warmi | killefiz: follow new ipkg category recomendations |
| 18:29:59 | killefiz | warmi: Where are they? |
| 18:30:03 | mark | warmi: only think I use it for |
| 18:30:10 | warmi | www.zauruszone.com/howtos |
| 18:30:10 | benmeyer | http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ipkg_howto.shtml |
| 18:30:14 | [DrEvil] | hrmmm |
| 18:30:22 | mark | benmeyer: you on an official rom? |
| 18:30:24 | [DrEvil] | I am having issues connecting to the tkc jabbber server |
| 18:30:34 | benmeyer | mark: what do you mean by official? |
| 18:30:44 | mark | benmeyer: a sharp one, rather than OZ or anything funny |
| 18:30:48 | benmeyer | yah |
| 18:31:02 | benmeyer | need something tested? |
| 18:31:07 | mark | benmeyer: pleae |
| 18:31:07 | warmi | holly crap .. stargazer looks intense .. |
| 18:31:12 | warmi | I wonder how fast is it |
| 18:31:15 | sig | ok I bought the bundle |
| 18:31:16 | sig | :) |
| 18:31:18 | benmeyer | mark: meyerb@sharpsec.com |
| 18:31:26 | XavierXeon | stargazer is pretty fast |
| 18:31:27 | sig | now I can erase zic |
| 18:31:35 | killefiz | benmeyer: you should have a direct link to the howto section from the frontpage |
| 18:31:47 | benmeyer | frontpage of? |
| 18:31:49 | benmeyer | oh zz |
| 18:31:51 | warmi | is this KStars port or something completely different ? |
| 18:31:52 | killefiz | yep |
| 18:32:02 | mark | warmi: i think its different |
| 18:32:14 | mark | benmeyer: okay |
| 18:32:18 | sig | is installing tkcBundle |
| 18:32:19 | XavierXeon | warmi : it is not a Kstars port as far as i can tell |
| 18:32:24 | BigBoss | XavierXeon: I was just thinking about picking that up |
| 18:32:28 | BigBoss | sig: thanks for the sale :) |
| 18:32:32 | warmi | looks great ... my wife is into this kind of stuff , maybe I should get this one for her |
| 18:32:33 | BigBoss | XX: how do you like it? |
| 18:32:44 | sig | BigBoss: just keep that mail and video package comin and I'll buy |
| 18:32:45 | mark | benmeyer: just gonna test it on OZ first |
| 18:32:45 | sig | :) |
| 18:33:00 | sig | where can i get nmap for my z? |
| 18:33:14 | XavierXeon | I tried to compile kstars. was peanuts, but the z ran out of memory after initialising |
| 18:33:27 | warmi | hehehe |
| 18:33:29 | mark | XavierXeon: not suprising |
| 18:33:38 | warmi | 5000D or 5500 ? |
| 18:34:03 | sig | BigBoss: where can i get nmap for the z? |
| 18:34:06 | XavierXeon | ksars also tries to load some null pixmaps and then quits (SL-5500) |
| 18:34:21 | warmi | ah .. that's bad if it runs out of mem on 5500 |
| 18:35:11 | XavierXeon | kstars looks much better than stargazer, but since i could not make it run i splashed out some money for stargazer |
| 18:35:25 | killefiz | warmi: the zsi has 16 categories now - if I adopt the ipkg-scheme that will go down to 8 with 55 entries in games and probably 70 entries in applications |
| 18:35:37 | sig | where do most people install there software? on to their cards or memory? |
| 18:35:56 | [DrEvil] | tkcJabber has to go in RAM |
| 18:36:01 | [DrEvil] | as does the libs I think |
| 18:36:01 | BigBoss | sig: I don't know |
| 18:36:11 | XavierXeon | killefiz : why don't you have fewer main categories with more subcategories ? |
| 18:36:16 | warmi | killefiz: well, you might be right there .. I just thought that having the same naming scheme would make it simpler for people to find stuff on your site |
| 18:36:30 | [DrEvil] | grrrrrrr |
| 18:36:41 | mark | is away: I'm busy |
| 18:36:41 | warmi | but , as you said, having to browse 55 apps in games category does suck |
| 18:36:57 | dupedAgain | bb |
| 18:37:11 | benmeyer | hmm, maybe a sub catagory... |
| 18:37:13 | benmeyer | bla |
| 18:37:17 | benmeyer | I use search anyway |
| 18:37:23 | sig | damn, 75 dollars for 3.14MB |
| 18:37:23 | sig | hehe |
| 18:37:26 | sig | I'm crazy |
| 18:37:28 | sig | lol |
| 18:37:36 | killefiz | yeah - maybe i'll create some sort of subcategory-layout - i'll also want to have categories 'java', 'qpe', 'x11' |
| 18:37:50 | nems | lol |
| 18:37:59 | sig | I'm making a z webpage for fun |
| 18:38:05 | sig | I just started it |
| 18:38:09 | sig | sig.webhop.net |
| 18:38:12 | warmi | sig: so you are buying everything they have ? |
| 18:38:20 | sig | warmi: yup |
| 18:38:21 | sig | just did |
| 18:38:23 | XavierXeon | killefiz : you could also easily kill your server if you introduce user ratings. Probably produces heavy traffic. |
| 18:38:43 | warmi | sig: I thought you said you were broke !! |
| 18:38:45 | warmi | heheh |
| 18:38:58 | sig | warmi: its called a "CREDIT CARD" |
| 18:39:00 | sig | :) |
| 18:39:06 | warmi | ah .. yeah, |
| 18:39:08 | sig | or "TROUBLE CARD" |
| 18:39:20 | [DrEvil] | does the standard qpe media player use the cursor pad as a remote? |
| 18:39:34 | warmi | nah .. it eonly becomes one once you hit $4000 or so |
| 18:39:35 | warmi | heh |
| 18:39:40 | killefiz | XavierXeon: Would be cute but I would need a user login to stop people from hyping apps ... that's not worth it (IMO) |
| 18:40:06 | XavierXeon | killfez : true ! Keep it simple and useable |
| 18:40:28 | warmi | kilefiz: for this to work you need to have a huge userbase so any sort of hyping will not skew your stats |
| 18:41:04 | flo | i cant seem to find the ogg123 package binary - any hints? |
| 18:41:34 | XavierXeon | I actually thought i could do some z apps review page but then i deceided it was not worth the effort |
| 18:41:34 | BigBoss | killefiz: have a 'theKompany' sub-category :) |
| 18:41:45 | warmi | hehehe |
| 18:42:05 | [DrEvil] | how about a commercial apps subcat |
| 18:42:06 | killefiz | BigBoss: hmmm ... this category is sponsored by theKompany - cute |
| 18:42:28 | warmi | DrEvil: nah ... that's Debianisque |
| 18:42:34 | warmi | and we don't want that, do we ? |
| 18:42:35 | warmi | heeh |
| 18:42:36 | XavierXeon | BigBoss : did you think about rebundeling your stuff if more apps are out ? like puuting tkcPlayer in the media bundle ? |
| 18:42:47 | BigBoss | yea, it's crossing my mind |
| 18:42:54 | killefiz | [DrEvil]: It would be easy to list all commercial or free apps |
| 18:43:02 | BigBoss | I'd like to pull back the Bundle a bit and get it under $70 |
| 18:43:07 | BigBoss | that won't affect current customers |
| 18:43:14 | nems | BigBoss : I'd like to see more seperate bundles... |
| 18:43:22 | nems | i.e. a media bundle with mediaplayer and note pad, an office bundle, etc etc. |
| 18:43:25 | killefiz | warmi: It would just be another listing - you wouldn't have to choose between free and non-free on the frontpage ;) |
| 18:43:31 | numatrix | killefiz: sorry I haven't packaged those opie-sh scripts for you yet, but I did contribute frotz at least. ;-) 4 more apps to go |
| 18:43:37 | nems | fpr omstamce |
| 18:43:38 | nems | err |
| 18:43:40 | nems | for instance |
| 18:43:44 | killefiz | numatrix: ;) |
| 18:43:58 | XavierXeon | BigBoss : (just a bit selfish) what about current customers ? |
| 18:44:02 | warmi | killefix: I am just kidding ... i |
| 18:44:20 | warmi | numatrix: frotz ? |
| 18:44:33 | numatrix | warmi: Yeah, the infocom interpreter. |
| 18:44:40 | warmi | oh , that thing |
| 18:44:46 | killefiz | hmm ... would it make sense to add a review section to the zsi? |
| 18:44:50 | BigBoss | XX: won't change anything about current customers, we have a versioning system that handles that |
| 18:44:52 | numatrix | Yeah, old school text games. |
| 18:44:56 | warmi | DrEvil seems to be a big fan of this stuff |
| 18:45:03 | killefiz | or maybe just a link to a review |
| 18:45:11 | BigBoss | the issue would be people that own tkcPlayer that want the media bundle but end up with duplicates |
| 18:45:23 | numatrix | killefiz: You already like to zaurus@loveslinux... |
| 18:45:25 | [DrEvil] | what stuff? |
| 18:45:35 | warmi | oh ,, sorry , the infocom .. I thought you were talking about sierra game engine |
| 18:45:49 | [DrEvil] | I hate having to download tkcbundle when tckftp has been updated |
| 18:45:51 | XavierXeon | killefiz : a review section would be kind of nice, but you will likely get complaints from people (why did you rate this that way blah blah) |
| 18:45:52 | warmi | DrEvil: nothing .. I was just saying that you are fan of old sierra games |
| 18:45:52 | numatrix | warmi: No, though that would be a great one for someone to port. |
| 18:46:03 | ljp_work | BB: how far off is studio gold for kde3? |
| 18:46:14 | killefiz | XavierXeon: Hehe - I wasn't planning on reviewing apps myself ;) |
| 18:46:20 | [DrEvil] | hrmmm |
| 18:46:20 | [DrEvil] | that didn't sound like a jet |
| 18:46:20 | [DrEvil] | ewrrr |
| 18:46:22 | BigBoss | ljp: the source build works right now |
| 18:46:29 | warmi | numatrix: infocom is Zork and related stuff right ? |
| 18:46:31 | sig | how come when i download a program all sorts of crap goes to Documents, like pictures? |
| 18:46:31 | [DrEvil] | passenger plane |
| 18:46:31 | [DrEvil] | that sounded like afterburners |
| 18:46:34 | XavierXeon | BigBoss : why not just let people rebundle ? |
| 18:46:42 | sig | can i delete those without hurting the program I've installed? |
| 18:47:03 | warmi | sig: this is a ... shall we say .. small Qtopia design problem |
| 18:47:14 | sig | hmm |
| 18:47:18 | [DrEvil] | I am a fan of the old Infocom games |
| 18:47:22 | [DrEvil] | the sierra games |
| 18:47:26 | [DrEvil] | the lucasarts games |
| 18:47:29 | warmi | sig: basically somebody fucked up big time at Trolls .. |
| 18:47:35 | BigBoss | XX: no facility to create custom bundles basically |
| 18:47:39 | sig | oh |
| 18:47:46 | sig | i can't get rid of the zic icon |
| 18:47:49 | warmi | there is no way around it at this time ... if you delete the images, your apps will stop working |
| 18:47:53 | sig | i uninstalled it but it is still there |
| 18:48:08 | XavierXeon | sig : open /etc/mtab and throw out the lines with /dev/mmcda1 and /dev/hda1 (no warrenty) |
| 18:48:37 | sig | what will that do? |
| 18:48:44 | killefiz | numatrix: i didn't realize that there is a review section at zaurus.loveslinux - is the site still being maintained? |
| 18:49:23 | XavierXeon | sig : NOTHING stored on SD or CF will show up in the document tab. Also the SD symbol will disapear |
| 18:49:29 | [DrEvil] | I had the same problemw ith zic |
| 18:49:54 | warmi | that means you won't be able to install software from SD or CF |
| 18:49:57 | sig | [DrEvil]: I'm going to: rm /home/QtPalmtop/bin/zic |
| 18:50:05 | sig | I think that will do it |
| 18:50:25 | warmi | sig: you will need to get rid of the .desktop file , icon file etc .. |
| 18:50:32 | [DrEvil] | you also need to get the .desktop file |
| 18:50:35 | sig | warmi: where at? |
| 18:50:37 | warmi | looks like zic ipkg is bad |
| 18:50:54 | warmi | $QPEDIR/apps/Applications/ < somewhere there |
| 18:51:05 | XavierXeon | you can install software from SD or CF if you open your browser and open the ipk's in software |
| 18:51:07 | warmi | something like zic.desktop |
| 18:51:17 | warmi | the icon will be in $QPEDIR/pics/zic.png |
| 18:51:39 | [DrEvil] | find / -name zic.desktop |
| 18:52:34 | sig | no such file or dir |
| 18:53:24 | warmi | killefiz: geting close to the magic number (Overall 196 ) |
| 18:53:25 | warmi | hehe |
| 18:54:26 | killefiz | warmi: yes - if you could just finish your chessboard |
| 18:54:27 | killefiz | ;) |
| 18:55:08 | benmeyer | zz feed is being updated |
| 18:55:15 | warmi | nah, that will wait for a while... but marks Knights should be ready soon ( today or tommorow perhaps) |
| 18:55:18 | benmeyer | probably be about 5 minutes |
| 18:55:34 | XavierXeon | did anyone bother to make custom puzz-le levels ? |
| 18:56:09 | warmi | XavierXeon: yeah .. one guy ported 400 levels from vexed |
| 18:56:29 | sig | [DrEvil]: ok i rm Zic.png |
| 18:56:37 | sig | hopefully it will disapear |
| 18:56:43 | sig | after reboot |
| 18:56:47 | sig | rebooting it now |
| 18:56:53 | warmi | I am going to release update Puzzle including this stuff |
| 18:57:06 | sig | [DrEvil]: did you have to install the whole bundle package to RAM?? |
| 18:57:18 | [DrEvil] | no |
| 18:57:31 | sig | [DrEvil]: one probem with "zic" still |
| 18:57:32 | killefiz | warmi: that would give another app if you keep the old one as "puzz-le classic" (just kidding) |
| 18:57:39 | warmi | I think the only thing you need to isntall to RAM is their dlls |
| 18:57:43 | sig | the icon is gone, but the name "zic" is still there |
| 18:57:58 | [DrEvil] | did you remove the .desktop file? |
| 18:58:03 | sig | where at? |
| 18:58:08 | XavierXeon | you can install the whole budle to SD |
| 18:58:14 | warmi | killefix: man , if you really need apps I can write 4 versions of Tic-Tac-Toe .. that should help a lot |
| 18:58:15 | warmi | hehe |
| 18:58:49 | killefiz | that would make you the #1 game developer on this platform |
| 18:58:54 | Nadav | lol |
| 18:59:02 | [DrEvil] | /home/QtPalmtop/apps/Applications/zic.desktop |
| 18:59:13 | warmi | haha |
| 19:00:11 | sig | [DrEvil]: ok i did, restarting it again |
| 19:00:22 | [DrEvil] | you only have to restart qtopia |
| 19:00:33 | sig | yeah |
| 19:00:43 | sig | thats what I'm doing |
| 19:00:56 | sig | :) |
| 19:01:14 | sig | cool its gone |
| 19:01:25 | nems | We need to get wine to compile on the Z so we can play Warcraft 2 ;) |
| 19:01:33 | nems | Or Freecraft. |
| 19:01:42 | sig | nems: wolf |
| 19:01:43 | treke|home | nems : wine is out of the question :) |
| 19:01:51 | nems | treke|home: Hey, a man can dream can't he? :) |
| 19:01:57 | [DrEvil] | how about a wine based on Wince |
| 19:02:01 | XavierXeon | no win stuff on my Z ! |
| 19:02:01 | nems | treke|home: Thats ok though... I'll settle for freecraft. |
| 19:02:02 | warmi | killefix: in fact .. two months ago I did write Tic Tac Toe clone |
| 19:02:05 | warmi | http://www.warmi.net/images/zic_zac_zoe.png |
| 19:02:13 | nems | lol warmi |
| 19:02:16 | warmi | I just never bothered to release it |
| 19:02:32 | warmi | too simple |
| 19:02:32 | treke|home | nems : It wouldnt be too bad, except for running an x86 emulator on an arm :) |
| 19:02:33 | nems | freecraft isnt emulated. |
| 19:02:45 | treke|home | hell we cant even emulate a 16mhz palmpilot well :) |
| 19:02:47 | nems | Hmm.. maybe FreeCiv :) |
| 19:02:49 | nems | lol treke |
| 19:02:55 | XavierXeon | warmi : cute game |
| 19:03:05 | nems | I just want my koules. :/ |
| 19:03:12 | warmi | hehe .. believe, you get bored after about 4 plays |
| 19:03:17 | treke|home | nems : I meant wine. Freecraft is probably reasonably portable |
| 19:03:18 | XavierXeon | freeciv is currently ported |
| 19:03:25 | nems | Really? Sweet. |
| 19:03:33 | nems | treke|home: Hehe.. wine would be so dirt slow. |
| 19:03:35 | warmi | I was just playing with some stuff (testing some graphic concepts in Qtopia) |
| 19:03:46 | nems | While we're at it, lets get vmware and run wince in a virtual machine. :> |
| 19:03:48 | treke|home | sdl makes things much easier :) |
| 19:03:51 | killefiz | benmeyer: there are lots off apps on the zsi that link to old zauruszone url's - will these links ever work again? |
| 19:04:07 | benmeyer | yah eventually |
| 19:04:11 | benmeyer | moving them over |
| 19:04:14 | XavierXeon | whow about a OsX emulator for the Z |
| 19:04:16 | benmeyer | and if not they are on the feed |
| 19:04:19 | benmeyer | whihc is probably better |
| 19:04:20 | nems | smacks the crap outta nemui-chan |
| 19:04:22 | warmi | hahahaha |
| 19:04:34 | warmi | XavierXeon: great idea |
| 19:04:35 | warmi | lol |
| 19:04:43 | killefiz | warmi: does it beat this: http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=58 ?? |
| 19:04:49 | sig | why is it when sometimes i try to install a program to my SD card it fails, but then I do it to RAM and it works? |
| 19:04:57 | warmi | killefiz: I don't know .. I never tried the other one |
| 19:05:20 | warmi | but mine sure looks better ( even if it is not as smart) |
| 19:05:43 | nems | ljp: you alive? |
| 19:05:51 | warmi | frankly, tic tac toe is such a primitive game computer never loses |
| 19:05:54 | benmeyer | warmi: you made a tictactoe game? |
| 19:06:15 | nems | Whats a good way to learn C/C++ and hsould I learn C first? |
| 19:06:21 | killefiz | benmeyer: yes --- make him release it ;) |
| 19:06:23 | [DrEvil] | how about Global Thermonuclear War |
| 19:06:25 | warmi | yeah but it was more like a testbed for some stuff I was testing on Qtopia |
| 19:06:39 | benmeyer | cool, got it up anywhere? |
| 19:06:46 | benmeyer | only 4 more apps |
| 19:06:47 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 19:06:49 | nems | lol |
| 19:06:51 | hunger | nems: Join a project that's doen in C++ and no, you should not learn C first. |
| 19:06:52 | warmi | not really, I have binary at home but no ipkg |
| 19:07:20 | warmi | I might package it and release when I have time .. but frankl,y tic tac toe is not much of fun .. gets old very quickly |
| 19:07:26 | nems | heh |
| 19:07:45 | benmeyer | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=245 |
| 19:07:46 | benmeyer | grrr |
| 19:07:49 | benmeyer | a zip of an ipk |
| 19:07:52 | benmeyer | nothing more anoying |
| 19:07:56 | nems | lol |
| 19:09:59 | sig | where can i get nmap for my z? |
| 19:10:35 | XavierXeon | sig : zutils 1+2 on zaurus.sourcforge.net (also install armutils) |
| 19:10:44 | sig | k |
| 19:10:46 | ljp_work | ben: thats better than an ipk of a zip! |
| 19:10:46 | sig | thanks |
| 19:11:08 | sig | XavierXeon: said bad address |
| 19:11:29 | XavierXeon | just google " zaurus sourceforge" |
| 19:11:32 | sig | goti t |
| 19:11:58 | warmi | benmayer: I was playing with transparent animations ( it was testbed for Puzzle) - http://www.warmi.net/images/zic_zac_zoe2.png |
| 19:12:06 | warmi | see that "subtle" "computer won" text |
| 19:12:07 | warmi | ? |
| 19:12:08 | warmi | hehe |
| 19:12:44 | warmi | but Qt sucks when trying to do fancy graphic stuff |
| 19:12:55 | warmi | one has to resort to framebuffer |
| 19:14:05 | warmi | "BitchX" I wonder if it is any better than xchat |
| 19:14:21 | [DrEvil] | if you believe the advertising |
| 19:14:36 | | kergoth was last seen on #zaurus 1 days, 15 hours, 17 minutes and 56 seconds ago, saying: brb [Sun Jun 16 04:56:40 2002] |
| 19:14:36 | benmeyer | ibot seen kergoth |
| 19:14:48 | benmeyer | hmm brb aih |
| 19:14:56 | | fastolfe is probably using some igniton-coil battery powered anit-bike-theft device to blow his nuts off |
| 19:14:56 | ljp_work | ibot: fastolfe |
| 19:15:04 | Com[Plex] | god damnit |
| 19:15:08 | mark | benmeyer: aih? |
| 19:15:15 | Com[Plex] | I cant find the wiring schematic for this stupid cf card |
| 19:15:16 | | fastolfe was last seen on #zaurus 104 days, 14 hours, 34 minutes and 24 seconds ago, saying: [Tue Mar 5 04:40:52 2002] |
| 19:15:16 | ljp_work | ibot: seen fastolfe |
| 19:15:38 | Com[Plex] | friggin confidentiality shit on the fcc |
| 19:15:57 | Com[Plex] | anyonehere have a linksys 802.11b cf card? |
| 19:16:06 | Com[Plex] | I think they have the same chipset as this one. |
| 19:16:13 | Com[Plex] | I need the fcc id off the back of it |
| 19:16:45 | mark | physics Q: if you have a ripple tank, and drop water into it, what conclusion about the speed of the ripple can be madef rom the fact that a drop c auses a circular ripple? |
| 19:17:24 | benmeyer | Com[plex]06M-P_W250 |
| 19:18:33 | nems | I dont think you can make any conclusions, because you'd think since it (the drop) would be accelerating at 9.8m/s^2, the distance that the drop fell would increase the impact as the distance increasted, making a faster ripple from the harder impact. |
| 19:18:41 | XavierXeon | mark : none except that the group speed of the the wave is constant in every direction. |
| 19:19:20 | nems | doh. Forgot about that one. XavierXeon wins. |
| 19:19:34 | mark | XavierXeon: k, cheers |
| 19:19:37 | Com[Plex] | thanx ben! |
| 19:19:53 | Com[Plex] | anyone else here got any prism cards? intersil /prism prism2 ? |
| 19:20:30 | XavierXeon | buffalo air station sucks but is cheap) |
| 19:20:47 | Com[Plex] | hey benm, is that underscore really tehre? |
| 19:20:55 | Com[Plex] | or is it just pw250 ? |
| 19:21:04 | benmeyer | sorry |
| 19:21:04 | Com[Plex] | PW250 |
| 19:21:05 | benmeyer | no _ |
| 19:21:06 | Com[Plex] | :> |
| 19:21:08 | Com[Plex] | k |
| 19:21:10 | benmeyer | PW250 |
| 19:22:53 | Com[Plex] | yeah, thats identical to my hawkings card |
| 19:23:12 | Com[Plex] | as soon as I figure out how to correctly modify it for use with an external antenna, Ill share it with yuo. |
| 19:23:18 | Com[Plex] | it realy looks ismple |
| 19:24:27 | Com[Plex] | it uses the intersil chipset. I have diarams to abnother one with that chipset, but they differ too much, I gotta find the changes.. |
| 19:25:28 | mark | XavierXeon: under what circumstances would that not be the case? |
| 19:27:46 | XavierXeon | mark : if the medium the wave travels in is not homgenous (hope that is spelled right) or if the medium itself is moving with a ceratin speed |
| 19:29:24 | sig | how do i register with tkcjabber? |
| 19:29:36 | sig | it wants to know my account and paswd and stuff? |
| 19:31:46 | sig | can someone help me with this? |
| 19:32:05 | BigBoss | you are creating a new account |
| 19:32:10 | BigBoss | check the documentation |
| 19:32:15 | sig | hmm |
| 19:32:19 | BigBoss | just enter whatever you want for the first time and the account will be created |
| 19:32:46 | BigBoss | but the doc, which is also online at http://www.thekompany.com/embedded/tkcjabber/userguide.php3 should help you |
| 19:33:01 | sig | k |
| 19:41:59 | warmi | 22 bla |
| 19:42:41 | warmi | 2Color2 red |
| 19:43:20 | warmi | 4 Red |
| 19:43:27 | warmi | hmm .. it does work |
| 19:43:36 | warmi | this cgi-irc is not that bad after all |
| 19:47:46 | sig | BigBoss: how do i chat with online users? |
| 19:47:49 | sig | IM |
| 19:48:03 | sig | I click the icons by their names and nothing |
| 19:48:51 | BigBoss | hmm, try me, my id is BigBoss |
| 19:49:09 | sig | what IM service? |
| 19:49:13 | BigBoss | jabber |
| 19:49:18 | sig | k |
| 19:49:21 | sig | one sec |
| 19:50:02 | sig | doesn't show you online |
| 19:50:08 | sig | ok |
| 19:50:13 | BigBoss | i see you |
| 19:50:16 | sig | now it does |
| 19:50:17 | BigBoss | you get my message? |
| 19:50:41 | sig | yeah, how did you send it? |
| 19:51:31 | BigBoss | by opening a chat window |
| 19:51:35 | BigBoss | I'm on my desktop at the moment |
| 19:51:56 | mark | XavierXeon: what if the tank has a varying depth? |
| 19:52:07 | sig | ok I got it |
| 19:52:11 | sig | it is the sound symbol |
| 19:52:14 | mark | benmeyer: sent the .ipk for ur testing pleasure |
| 19:52:36 | BigBoss | you wrote a porno package for benmeyer? :) |
| 19:52:39 | Rince | :-) |
| 19:54:20 | mark | BigBoss: when are we having tkcPorn? |
| 19:54:52 | XavierXeon | mark : send email to xavierxeon@subdimension.com with your ICQ number |
| 19:55:15 | mark | XavierXeon: i'm not on ICQ. /query? |
| 19:55:25 | BigBoss | mark: tkcVideo will work the same :) |
| 19:55:38 | sig | this is sweet |
| 19:55:59 | sig | I love my z |
| 19:56:20 | XavierXeon | mark : hang on switching to my pc |
| 19:56:36 | W|GGL|T | that's a change from a few hours/days ago :o) |
| 19:56:46 | mark | W|GGL|T: quite |
| 19:57:03 | mark | BigBoss: heh. |
| 19:57:05 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 19:57:45 | benmeyer | mark: got it |
| 19:57:55 | BigBoss | tkc is what makes the Z into a Super Z :) |
| 19:57:59 | NetAmp | 'My Zaurus lies over the ocean, my Zaurus lies over the sea...' |
| 19:58:02 | NetAmp | dumdidum |
| 19:58:02 | BigBoss | wow, what a great slogan |
| 19:58:12 | BigBoss | well done sig |
| 19:58:15 | mark | BigBoss: no, thats opie :P |
| 19:58:27 | BigBoss | you have now used the only working irc jabber transport in the world :) |
| 19:58:40 | sig | heh |
| 19:58:48 | sig | this network card rocks |
| 19:59:05 | killefiz | NetAmp: Does that mean you've ordered a Z? |
| 19:59:08 | sig | 119 bucks came with a pcmcia attatchment too |
| 19:59:11 | whardier | pulls off more fake flesh |
| 19:59:35 | NetAmp | killefiz: I wish... heh, I'm waiting for the Z's to come over here ;) |
| 19:59:49 | BigBoss | netamp: what country? |
| 20:00:06 | sig_zaurus | bigboss. there is no auto tab on names |
| 20:00:10 | NetAmp | Netherlands, home of the Dutch :) |
| 20:00:13 | mark | benmeyer: good good, let me know |
| 20:00:14 | killefiz | NetAmp: There won't be a localised version anyway so you can just buy the german model ... |
| 20:00:15 | NetAmp | hah |
| 20:00:32 | NetAmp | well yeah but... but... it's QWERTZ |
| 20:00:34 | BigBoss | sig: there are limitations in the irc transport on some things, like private chats for example |
| 20:00:34 | sig_zaurus | :d |
| 20:00:38 | BigBoss | the support just isn't there |
| 20:00:45 | BigBoss | netamp: can you get from germany? they have them |
| 20:00:51 | sig_zaurus | no big deal |
| 20:00:51 | killefiz | NetAmp: Doesn't matter if you touch type |
| 20:00:57 | NetAmp | and also maybe there's the possibility I might try it out first in the store, and it's better with guarantees.. etc. |
| 20:01:01 | sig_zaurus | what about dcc?? |
| 20:01:27 | NetAmp | hm well yeah I'm not that far from the border anyway... |
| 20:01:33 | NetAmp | maybe I'll have a look ;) |
| 20:01:37 | whardier | wants a taco bell near him |
| 20:02:15 | sig_zaurus | is there a bigger keyboaed for the z. for like more serious typing |
| 20:02:39 | mark | wants one |
| 20:02:45 | sig_zaurus | me too |
| 20:03:42 | NetAmp | just wire a PS/2 to the i/o port :P |
| 20:03:46 | sig_zaurus | i love being on the net with this thing |
| 20:03:47 | NetAmp | (uhuh... as if ;-) |
| 20:03:55 | sig_zaurus | lol |
| 20:04:12 | NetAmp | on the net with that thing? I wanna be too *sigh*.. |
| 20:04:19 | NetAmp | hm are there BlueTooth modules? |
| 20:04:25 | sig_zaurus | your not? |
| 20:04:32 | sig_zaurus | yes |
| 20:04:35 | killefiz | Zaurus case: http://www.pielframa.com/Sharp.Zaurus.htm |
| 20:04:35 | NetAmp | my mainboard does support it so it seems |
| 20:04:43 | NetAmp | whow |
| 20:04:46 | killefiz | (handmade leather, 65 US$ incl. shipping from italy) |
| 20:04:47 | NetAmp | neat cases :) |
| 20:04:50 | XavierXeon | mark : send email anyway |
| 20:05:13 | mark | XavierXeon: it doesn't really matter, I was just curious |
| 20:05:32 | sig_zaurus | will someone send me a test mail? |
| 20:05:33 | XavierXeon | ok |
| 20:05:41 | mark | XavierXeon: thanks for your help |
| 20:05:55 | NetAmp | heck noo.. |
| 20:05:57 | sig_zaurus | jdh99@earthlink.net |
| 20:06:02 | NetAmp | ibot: change 65 USD to EUR |
| 20:06:07 | | NetAmp: 65.00 (United States Dollar (USD)) makes 68.8867 (Euro (EUR)) |
| 20:06:08 | NetAmp | gah |
| 20:06:37 | killefiz | NetAmp: They are 59 EUR in Germany incl. shipping |
| 20:06:38 | sig_zaurus | sweet this thing syncs with evolution |
| 20:06:58 | NetAmp | killefiz: sweet :) |
| 20:07:13 | benmeyer | mark: works |
| 20:07:20 | benmeyer | mark: ran out of mem though |
| 20:07:26 | NetAmp | ah well it's probably worth it, to have a stylish protective case around your Z ;) |
| 20:07:45 | mark | benmeyer: seriously? shite! works on my 5000.... |
| 20:07:46 | W|GGL|T | i agree, since i paid $499 for mine |
| 20:08:01 | sig | 450 here |
| 20:08:38 | benmeyer | mark: yah played for a few minutes, saved a game, exited, started via docs tab, auto played, closed game, started comp-vs-comp got out of mem error |
| 20:08:48 | sig_zaurus | bestbuy with a 25 dollar mail in rebate on top of that |
| 20:09:05 | mark | benmeyer: sounds like a leak |
| 20:09:18 | W|GGL|T | i missed the rebates |
| 20:09:29 | W|GGL|T | actually bought mine before the rebates |
| 20:09:29 | benmeyer | in the comp-vs-comp |
| 20:09:30 | benmeyer | maybe |
| 20:09:47 | sig_zaurus | im going to run a web page off this thing for fun |
| 20:09:47 | sig_zaurus | h |
| 20:10:01 | NetAmp | wahaha |
| 20:10:03 | NetAmp | Apache? |
| 20:10:06 | NetAmp | :P |
| 20:10:06 | mark | benmeyer: odd, I've never had a problem on my 5000, i'll try and run valgrind on it |
| 20:10:09 | sig_zaurus | yea |
| 20:10:23 | sig_zaurus | apache.ipk |
| 20:10:33 | warmi | valgrind ? |
| 20:10:58 | sig_zaurus | well im off |
| 20:11:42 | | mark: huh? |
| 20:11:42 | mark | ibot: valgrind |
| 20:11:47 | warmi | I found it |
| 20:11:48 | NetAmp | linux is like a wigwam; no windows, apache inside |
| 20:11:54 | mark | warmi: k |
| 20:12:01 | JasonNJ | kergoth: you get my care package? |
| 20:12:23 | sig | damn |
| 20:12:31 | [DrEvil] | JasonNJ: send MSpin some Bluetooth cards |
| 20:12:34 | sig | I didn't get the addressbook or calendar in my bundle |
| 20:12:35 | warmi | NetAmp: apache with 15 children inside |
| 20:12:41 | NetAmp | I want BT cards too :D |
| 20:12:42 | NetAmp | heh |
| 20:12:48 | NetAmp | warmi: haha |
| 20:13:00 | [DrEvil] | sig: read the fine print |
| 20:13:06 | sig | huh? |
| 20:13:15 | [DrEvil] | the bundle does not include the address book or calendar |
| 20:13:20 | sig | wtf |
| 20:13:36 | warmi | hehe |
| 20:14:24 | [DrEvil] | MSpin was going to work on getting BT support going on the Z |
| 20:14:27 | NetAmp | wtf, it's like 33.7°C/92.5°F in here :( |
| 20:14:39 | warmi | where ? |
| 20:14:49 | NetAmp | where my comp. is |
| 20:15:15 | tux_mike | anyone use QTextStream before? |
| 20:15:18 | warmi | by any chance is your computer Athlon based ? |
| 20:15:19 | W|GGL|T | your computer your heatsource? |
| 20:15:20 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 20:15:20 | warmi | hehehe |
| 20:15:39 | warmi | tux_mike: yeah ... I used to read/save games in Puzz-le |
| 20:15:51 | NetAmp | warmi: hah yeah Athlon XP, my CPU is 55°C currently |
| 20:15:57 | tux_mike | warmi: do you use the operator >> (QChar &c)? |
| 20:16:02 | sig | what port is 4242? |
| 20:16:05 | NetAmp | it's nice in winter though ;) |
| 20:16:16 | warmi | there you go .. if it is 55 inside then all this heat has to go soemwhere |
| 20:16:20 | warmi | there is your answer |
| 20:16:21 | killefiz | sig: 4242 is 4242 - what was the question again? |
| 20:16:32 | sig | like ftp? |
| 20:16:33 | XavierXeon | NetAmp : probably has something to do with the weather |
| 20:16:36 | mark | benmeyer: does it happen if you just open it up and start a v computer game? how much ram have you got? |
| 20:16:47 | NetAmp | XavierXeon: yep, sure does :( |
| 20:16:56 | sig | what port is ftp? |
| 20:17:00 | NetAmp | At work it was pretty nice, with the airco ;) |
| 20:17:15 | warmi | tux_mike: yeah .. I actually used with << >> QString |
| 20:17:29 | NetAmp | maybe I should get me a portable airco, hah, though I need to buy a Z first ;) |
| 20:17:35 | warmi | QChar too .... like "ts << "\n";" |
| 20:17:50 | warmi | what's your problem tux ? |
| 20:17:53 | tux_mike | well with >> QChar, does it change the cursor position to the next QChar every time i call it? |
| 20:18:06 | tux_mike | the docs aren't too clear on if that is done |
| 20:18:15 | [MiniMe] | :@ |
| 20:19:09 | warmi | oh .. I actually use readLine() and operate on resulting QString |
| 20:19:11 | killefiz | any news on oz? Last change on sf is from may 19th ... |
| 20:19:14 | NetAmp | ftp? 4242 or so? |
| 20:19:22 | benmeyer | mark: one sec |
| 20:19:23 | warmi | I do use << QChar when saving stuff and it does advace the pointer |
| 20:19:25 | | ftp is ftpsrv.exe at http://www.oohito.com/data/wince/FTPS006AP.ZIP, sources at http://www.oohito.com/data/wince/FTPS006D.ZIP, homepage at http://www.oohito.com/ |
| 20:19:25 | NetAmp | ibot: ftp |
| 20:19:29 | mark | i appear to be leaking about 2k |
| 20:19:29 | NetAmp | hm... |
| 20:19:40 | tux_mike | warmi: ok, that should verify my thoughts on it :) |
| 20:20:11 | kergoth | killefiz: no news, been busy as hell what with moving into my new townhouse. I'll get a new opie build in the oz feed soon |
| 20:20:18 | mark | kergoth is back! |
| 20:20:25 | kergoth | JasonNJ: got it, thanks. I'll work on it some tonight. |
| 20:20:25 | warmi | a new townhouse .... hmm |
| 20:20:26 | kergoth | hey mark |
| 20:20:35 | warmi | working on OPIE is finally paying back .. |
| 20:20:37 | warmi | hehe |
| 20:20:40 | kergoth | hah |
| 20:20:40 | benmeyer | mark: sorry not sure |
| 20:20:42 | kergoth | i wish |
| 20:20:43 | kergoth | :-) |
| 20:20:54 | mark | benmeyer: about what? |
| 20:20:58 | killefiz | kergoth: good to hear |
| 20:21:00 | benmeyer | about the mem leak |
| 20:21:10 | kergoth | hrm, shit anyone know offhand how to remove any uncommmited changes in a bitkeeper repos? |
| 20:21:23 | mark | benmeyer: it doesn't appear to be a leak, it may just be using too much ram. :( - you on sl5000 or sl5500? |
| 20:21:47 | warmi | mark: which engine is that ? |
| 20:21:49 | warmi | gnuchess ? |
| 20:21:50 | mark | gnuchess |
| 20:22:06 | warmi | I compiled it to use default 1 MB hash table |
| 20:22:10 | mark | its odd that no one else (myself included) has hadd a problem |
| 20:22:23 | mark | warmi: so thats not gonna be the problem |
| 20:22:27 | warmi | and I had no problems with that on 5000 so I guess it might be something with Knights itself |
| 20:22:32 | benmeyer | 5000 |
| 20:22:46 | mark | very odd |
| 20:23:25 | warmi | mark: that's why I used fork of gnuchess ( it is not official gnuchess ) because it was deisgned to run with smaller memory footprint |
| 20:23:52 | XavierXeon | can someone tell me where the "Connect script failed" error comes from ? |
| 20:23:59 | warmi | actually it is sort of official cause it is supported by GNU folks |
| 20:24:17 | mark | knights is using about 2.5Meg |
| 20:24:29 | sig | guys anyone want to help me with my zaurus webpage? |
| 20:24:35 | sig | http://sig.webhop.net |
| 20:24:43 | sig | just for fun screenshots and such |
| 20:24:52 | warmi | well, but does it leak ? Imean does it increase memory usage with every move or so ? |
| 20:24:56 | sig | http://home.earthlink.net/~jdh99/win32shots/sc_13.05.04_Mon_Jun_17_2002.png |
| 20:25:06 | sig | http://home.earthlink.net/~jdh99/win32shots/sc_23.43.59_Sun_Jun_16_2002.png |
| 20:25:23 | warmi | what's your problem sig ? |
| 20:25:26 | sig | just used the tkcftp to upload those |
| 20:25:27 | warmi | you site looks ok |
| 20:25:37 | sig | I need more time |
| 20:26:01 | sig | konqueror rocks on this |
| 20:26:02 | sig | z |
| 20:26:11 | warmi | yeah, as long as you have 5500 |
| 20:26:15 | sig | :) |
| 20:26:18 | sig | I do |
| 20:26:18 | warmi | otherwise it is unusable |
| 20:26:22 | warmi | :-( |
| 20:26:27 | sig | build it |
| 20:26:40 | NetAmp | sig: what do you need to be done on that page? |
| 20:26:41 | sig | warmi: what linux distro do you use? |
| 20:26:51 | warmi | use for what ? |
| 20:26:53 | sig | NetAmp: just some other people giving ideas and such |
| 20:26:58 | warmi | my desktop machine ? |
| 20:27:02 | sig | warmi: yeah |
| 20:27:12 | sig | I'm using slack and redhat |
| 20:27:13 | warmi | RH 7.0 or 7.1 I don't remember |
| 20:27:20 | sig | and I have one win32 machine |
| 20:27:23 | sig | I'm using 13Linux 2.4.18-4: CPU Model: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor ° CPU Speed: 1008.995 MHz ° RAM Usage: 173/902M 14[4|15|||||||||14] ° 13DiskSpace: 164G with 109G Free ° Screen Resolution: 1600x1200 ° Number of process: 83 ° Uptime: 1:30pm up 18:58, 3 users, load average: 0.42, 0.35, 0.29 ° Data Transfered: In: 318.83M Out: 629.75M ¤ 11E=mc^2 |
| 20:27:30 | sig | oooh, i need to change that color |
| 20:27:32 | NetAmp | whoah dude |
| 20:27:35 | sig | sorry dudes |
| 20:27:39 | NetAmp | it's way pinkish ;) |
| 20:27:44 | BigBoss | It's like a crazy gay man just decorated in here |
| 20:27:45 | warmi | sig: you are missing root password from that list |
| 20:27:47 | warmi | lol |
| 20:27:47 | BigBoss | no offense :) |
| 20:27:57 | sig | warmi: huh? |
| 20:28:00 | Dilb | what a fucking mIRC script |
| 20:28:03 | warmi | hehe |
| 20:28:05 | NetAmp | haaha |
| 20:28:09 | sig | that aint no mirc script dude |
| 20:28:34 | warmi | heheh |
| 20:28:51 | warmi | look ok .. but next time around consider using some other color |
| 20:28:52 | sig | I don't use windows for internet, or anything else really |
| 20:28:57 | warmi | like teal or so |
| 20:29:11 | NetAmp | hm what are you using? :P |
| 20:29:16 | sig | I'll change it back to BOLD white |
| 20:29:22 | BigBoss | something in a soft pastel |
| 20:29:27 | warmi | bold white ?? hmm .. |
| 20:29:28 | NetAmp | CTCP Version only says http://sig.ath.cx reply :P |
| 20:29:29 | BigBoss | with some lace and frill around the edge |
| 20:29:37 | sig | NetAmp: hehehe |
| 20:29:38 | sig | like that |
| 20:29:38 | warmi | I doubt it will be very much readable on white background |
| 20:29:50 | sig | warmi: no white text |
| 20:29:54 | NetAmp | sig: cool site though, is that Caprice Bourret I see there? hah ;-) |
| 20:30:00 | sig | yeah |
| 20:30:01 | sig | hehe |
| 20:30:06 | sig | that is a cheasy site dude |
| 20:30:06 | NetAmp | wheee |
| 20:30:08 | sig | it is so old |
| 20:30:20 | NetAmp | ghehe |
| 20:30:26 | sig | the only things i do is usually throw crap in community directory |
| 20:30:44 | NetAmp | l33t: http://sig.ath.cx/screenshots/XPsuck.jpg |
| 20:30:54 | sig | lol |
| 20:31:09 | sig | yeah that is like 8 months ago |
| 20:31:13 | sig | I use XFCE |
| 20:31:19 | W|GGL|T | same here |
| 20:31:23 | sig | simple, lite, and fun |
| 20:31:35 | warmi | XFCE :a clone of CDE .. |
| 20:31:36 | treke|home | likes that background |
| 20:31:39 | warmi | j. christ |
| 20:31:40 | sig | yeah |
| 20:31:41 | NetAmp | let's port it :P :P |
| 20:31:42 | NetAmp | >:) |
| 20:31:45 | warmi | who would want to run clone of CDE |
| 20:31:47 | sig | NetAmp: lol |
| 20:31:49 | warmi | man |
| 20:32:06 | W|GGL|T | that's pretty cool |
| 20:32:08 | treke|home | I ought to try xfce. I hated CDE when I tried it, but who knows |
| 20:32:18 | sig | treke|home: it is really good now |
| 20:32:18 | warmi | it is just like CDE |
| 20:32:31 | ljp_work | anybody know what the refresh rate of the Z's screen is other than 'slow'? |
| 20:32:38 | W|GGL|T | xfce is nice....disregard what warmi says and at least TRY it :o) |
| 20:32:42 | warmi | with that useless big ass floating toolbar |
| 20:32:45 | warmi | heh |
| 20:32:46 | NetAmp | what the... litestep XP? ;) |
| 20:32:55 | NetAmp | heeh |
| 20:33:03 | sig | http://sig.ath.cx/community/mydesk.jpg |
| 20:33:03 | treke|home | then again, it might just have been the default settings sun shipped that I hated :) |
| 20:33:10 | warmi | ljp: is there such thing as refresh rate on screens like that ? |
| 20:33:19 | sig | http://sig.ath.cx/community/bluedesk.jpg |
| 20:33:22 | numatrix | Anybody know the status of any of the divx players for zaurus in development? Anything close to working? |
| 20:33:26 | sig | xfce is just lots of fun |
| 20:33:34 | NetAmp | yeah seems like it |
| 20:33:35 | treke|home | numatrix : thekompany is writing one |
| 20:33:51 | NetAmp | way better than XP's teletubby-default-background-thingy :P |
| 20:33:52 | sig | treke|home: i just hope it is cheap |
| 20:33:55 | treke|home | si |
| 20:33:57 | sig | I just bought the tkcbundle |
| 20:34:00 | treke|home | sig: It isnt :) |
| 20:34:16 | XavierXeon | apperantly someone is also trying to port xine |
| 20:34:26 | ljp_work | there's a divx plugin in opie cvs that needs someone with more time to work on it |
| 20:34:45 | benmeyer | anyone have gdb? |
| 20:34:50 | benmeyer | for the z? |
| 20:34:54 | warmi | sig: it is gonna cost you a lot to watch porn in its full glory |
| 20:34:59 | treke|home | sig |
| 20:35:03 | sig | warmi: lol |
| 20:35:08 | warmi | divx for Z will be expensive |
| 20:35:12 | treke|home | sig : The price BigBoss mentioned ~ 50 |
| 20:35:14 | sig | believe me, I have like 20 gigs of porn on this comp |
| 20:35:15 | XavierXeon | benmeyer : zaurus sourcforge.net |
| 20:35:21 | sig | lol |
| 20:35:36 | sig | /clear's the screen |
| 20:36:13 | sig | I like how opie zaurus can change the backgrounds of the screens |
| 20:36:20 | sig | I wish there was packages |
| 20:36:34 | sig | I'd like to have a transparent tux on my desktop of my z |
| 20:36:51 | benmeyer | the kprocess that is in opie seems to have a bug in it |
| 20:36:53 | sig | http://opie.handhelds.org/screenshots/gallery/launcher.jpg |
| 20:36:57 | trillback | anyone here running PyQt? |
| 20:36:57 | benmeyer | it can loop a lot |
| 20:37:15 | jjbenham | I am having troubles with the qtopiadesktop installation. QTopiadesktop loads but has no font or widgets. What should I do? |
| 20:37:24 | warmi | that's not tux sig !!! |
| 20:37:29 | XavierXeon | sig : try opie with oz or hack qtopia |
| 20:37:33 | sig | warmi: i know |
| 20:37:33 | warmi | thats dino-tux or whatever they call it |
| 20:37:34 | Mickey0 | trillback: yeah |
| 20:37:43 | treke|home | thats the wierd dragon thingy |
| 20:37:45 | sig | I was just pasting a cool screenshot dude |
| 20:37:50 | NetAmp | PINGIZAURU! |
| 20:37:55 | warmi | whardier creation |
| 20:37:57 | | wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! |
| 20:37:57 | NetAmp | ibot: pong |
| 20:38:04 | treke|home | sig: the new ones are cooler :) |
| 20:38:05 | sig | I've been using linux for 2 years, I know what tux looks like!! |
| 20:38:07 | sig | sheesh |
| 20:38:08 | sig | :) |
| 20:38:13 | trillback | Mickey0: can you send me a helloworld app or some docs I need help getting it working |
| 20:38:27 | sig | treke|home: will the 5500 be able to load those eventually? |
| 20:38:29 | warmi | yeah, we all know how it looks - like crap |
| 20:38:53 | treke|home | sig: If you use openazurus |
| 20:38:55 | warmi | I mean who would want to buy a big ass serious server with a tux logo on it |
| 20:39:03 | sig | treke|home: are you using openzaurus? |
| 20:39:04 | treke|home | sig: http://131.152.105.154/~opie/screenies/port.14669.png |
| 20:39:12 | treke|home | sig: No I have an ipaq, not a zaurus |
| 20:39:14 | Mickey0 | trillback: it's all on riverbankcomputing.co.uk - you need the 3 packages Python, PyQt and example. The docs are also there. |
| 20:39:20 | sig | treke|home: i have an ipaq too |
| 20:39:23 | NetAmp | sw33t |
| 20:39:25 | sig | want to see some sshots? |
| 20:39:28 | sig | of linux on it |
| 20:39:39 | treke|home | sure |
| 20:39:42 | trillback | 3 packages python? |
| 20:39:43 | sig | k one sec |
| 20:39:43 | treke|home | likes the bigger screen |
| 20:39:47 | warmi | trillback: PyQt for Zaurus is not exactly prime time ready |
| 20:39:58 | Mickey0 | warmi: Why do you think so? |
| 20:40:04 | warmi | thre is no support for Qtopia which makes your app look a bit like out of place |
| 20:40:15 | warmi | sort of like trying to run reqular Qt app on the Zaurus |
| 20:40:17 | Mickey0 | warmi: there is indeed support for qtopia. import qtpe :) |
| 20:40:25 | XavierXeon | PyQt uses KDE1 style widgets |
| 20:40:31 | warmi | whoa .. it is now ? |
| 20:40:37 | BigBoss | PyQt is using Qt3 |
| 20:40:42 | sig | treke|home: tell me what you think of that one.. |
| 20:40:51 | warmi | Mickey0: you mean bindings for QPEApplication etc ? |
| 20:40:54 | BigBoss | not sure about the Z port |
| 20:40:59 | Mickey0 | warmi: yes - that's what i mean. |
| 20:41:06 | warmi | oh cool then |
| 20:41:08 | treke|home | sig : It nifty. what is that video of? |
| 20:41:09 | Mickey0 | BigBoss: naturally PyQt can use Qt3, Qt2 and Qt2/E. |
| 20:41:15 | sig | wolfenstein mpg |
| 20:41:27 | treke|home | ah. Other than being X, nice shot :) |
| 20:41:33 | sig | heh |
| 20:41:40 | sig | running blackbox on it |
| 20:41:41 | sig | :) |
| 20:41:42 | Mickey0 | brb... |
| 20:41:53 | trillback | Mickey0: to get pyqt working I need to install the python for zaurus from the riverbanking site? |
| 20:42:10 | treke|home | sig: tried matchbox? It's very nice |
| 20:42:21 | sig | hmm |
| 20:42:24 | sig | I'll look into it |
| 20:42:28 | warmi | BigBoss: is this riverbank pyqt port different than the work done by one of your guys ? |
| 20:42:34 | sig | I am going to sell my ipaq on ebay |
| 20:42:39 | sig | with linux installed onit |
| 20:42:42 | treke|home | sig: why? |
| 20:42:48 | warmi | sell it to me |
| 20:42:51 | sig | I don't use it as much as i do my zaurus now |
| 20:42:54 | XavierXeon | trillback : yes or try http://home/arcor.de/xavierxeon for a compressed version |
| 20:42:58 | treke|home | ah. you got a zaurus |
| 20:43:00 | warmi | how much are you going to ask for it ? |
| 20:43:13 | sig | I voided the warranty the second day i had it when I installed linux on to it |
| 20:43:22 | treke|home | you waited that long... |
| 20:43:26 | killefiz | BigBoss: Have you ever tried to view the documentation that comes with tkcAddressBook? |
| 20:43:27 | sig | treke|home: yeah, I bought the Z last sunday |
| 20:43:27 | warmi | haha |
| 20:43:42 | BigBoss | killefiz: yes, it looked fine to me - what is the problem? |
| 20:43:43 | sig | treke|home: hehe |
| 20:43:46 | treke|home | voided the warranty withing 10 minutes of getting it home from the store |
| 20:44:00 | killefiz | BigBoss: It's really crappy Winword created html that expects all the images in ./tkcAddressbook_files |
| 20:44:02 | warmi | treke|home: you mean you got rid of PocketPC OS ? |
| 20:44:07 | treke|home | yeah |
| 20:44:10 | sig | I'm gonna sell it for 300 bucks i think |
| 20:44:15 | sig | with some accessories |
| 20:44:19 | warmi | sig: which model is that ? |
| 20:44:30 | trillback | http://home/arcor.de/xavierxeon not working |
| 20:44:38 | sig | warmi: you looking for one? |
| 20:44:57 | sig | warmi: 3765 |
| 20:45:11 | treke|home | excellent model :) |
| 20:45:12 | warmi | I just wanted to get some cheap ipaq for testing my stuff with ipaq Qtopia package |
| 20:45:13 | XavierXeon | sorry typo : http://home.arcor.de/xavierxeon |
| 20:45:30 | sig | warmi: I'll give you a killer deal dude |
| 20:45:45 | warmi | let me see how much is this on ebay |
| 20:45:45 | sig | 300 with keyboard, 2 64mb cf cards |
| 20:45:46 | sig | ?? |
| 20:45:46 | sig | :) |
| 20:45:48 | warmi | I am not up to date |
| 20:45:57 | treke|home | warmi : thats a good deal :) |
| 20:45:58 | sig | heh |
| 20:46:09 | NetAmp | nnnnooooooooo |
| 20:46:11 | NetAmp | the horror! |
| 20:46:13 | sig | you can find better on ebay I think |
| 20:46:30 | NetAmp | don't say "(win)Word" and "HTML" in one sentence please :P |
| 20:46:52 | warmi | do yhey still sell 3765s ? |
| 20:47:03 | [DrEvil] | NetAmp will go into his Dr. Smith from Lost In Space routine |
| 20:47:04 | sig | in stores you mean? |
| 20:47:08 | [DrEvil] | "oh the pain..." |
| 20:47:18 | NetAmp | grrr I hate it, if you type only 1 line of text you get 60 from exporting to html :( |
| 20:47:19 | treke|home | warmi : pretty sure they do |
| 20:47:31 | NetAmp | huh? haha |
| 20:47:36 | treke|home | the 37xx came out the same times as the 3800 |
| 20:47:52 | NetAmp | yah I admit, I'm crazy, and the temp. ain't helpin' ;) |
| 20:48:03 | sig | http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&ht=1&SortProperty=MetaEndSort&ebaytag1code=0&query=ipaq+3765 |
| 20:48:15 | sig | check that url out |
| 20:48:17 | warmi | the cheapest I could find was $345 for a new ipaq 3765 |
| 20:48:20 | sig | lots there for under 300 |
| 20:48:28 | benmeyer | Where is Q_CHECK_PTR defined? |
| 20:48:47 | sig | well I gotta go, the woman is here and she told me to get off |
| 20:48:48 | mark | benmeyer: CHECK_PTR in qt2.3 |
| 20:48:51 | sig | I'll be back later |
| 20:48:53 | mark | benmeyer: qlobal.h |
| 20:49:10 | warmi | sig: nah .. that doesn't matter . |
| 20:49:23 | warmi | unless it says "buy it now" |
| 20:49:32 | warmi | the current price is meaningles |
| 20:50:07 | warmi | tux_mike: you have Ipaq .. don't you ? |
| 20:50:24 | Mick_AWAY | back. |
| 20:50:58 | warmi | nah .. I will skip for now sig |
| 20:50:59 | tux_mike | warmi: Z |
| 20:51:06 | warmi | $300 is a lot of cash |
| 20:51:51 | warmi | tux_mike: any screenshots of your game yet ? |
| 20:51:53 | warmi | hehe |
| 20:52:09 | warmi | I realize you started like 2 days ago .. but maybe |
| 20:52:51 | tux_mike | warmi: i'm just starting to put the code down, now that i have most of it organized. i don't think i shall have it compiling until a week or two from now :) |
| 20:53:07 | warmi | heh |
| 20:53:13 | warmi | yeah, I was just kidding |
| 20:53:47 | tux_mike | warmi: also, any news from the Trib? I would like to know if i'd have enough time to take some sort of temporary job in the mean time. (i hate quitting right after i start) |
| 20:54:17 | warmi | he said 1 month , that's all could get out of him |
| 20:54:22 | tux_mike | ok |
| 20:54:39 | warmi | I know it sucks but I just can't get him to commit to anything |
| 20:54:47 | tux_mike | yah |
| 20:54:48 | warmi | he says it will be there but details for now |
| 20:54:49 | benmeyer | kergoth: I have made new kproces files straigh from kde |
| 20:54:52 | warmi | that kind of thing |
| 20:54:55 | benmeyer | the ones you had were old |
| 20:54:56 | benmeyer | and buggy |
| 20:54:58 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 20:55:58 | warmi | tux_mike: again, you are looking full time now right or is still part time ? |
| 20:56:35 | tux_mike | full now |
| 20:56:48 | warmi | yeah, that's what I thought |
| 20:58:03 | tux_mike | yah, i'd definatly want to get something before the summer is half over, something that i can work around for my school schedule |
| 20:59:13 | tux_mike | somethign that i can also use to get some more computers :) i can use a pair of new laptops. |
| 20:59:30 | warmi | heheh |
| 20:59:41 | warmi | I can't even get a laptop for myself here |
| 21:00:05 | warmi | but all our managers have kick ass dvd equipped laptops |
| 21:00:17 | tux_mike | i have my eye on a friend's toshiba portege, one he is willing to sell, and i'd eventually like to get a nice, fully loaded satellite 5005 |
| 21:00:48 | NetAmp | sweeeet |
| 21:00:53 | NetAmp | I just want a Z now :P |
| 21:00:59 | NetAmp | laptop maybe later |
| 21:01:22 | NetAmp | upgrading my desktop PC's been expensive enough for now :( |
| 21:01:47 | tux_mike | when i had my compaq, it was my weakest machine, but my primary one. i used it all the time. |
| 21:02:19 | tux_mike | with these two, the portege will be my coding machine |
| 21:02:31 | tux_mike | even though it's only 300mhz (slower than my old m700 :) |
| 21:05:08 | warmi | NetAmp: what is your latest and greatest PC ? |
| 21:05:13 | warmi | the upgraded one |
| 21:05:23 | NetAmp | erm |
| 21:05:42 | warmi | oh , that hot Athlon |
| 21:05:54 | NetAmp | yep, AMD Athlon XP 1800+ on a MSI KT3 Ultra mainboard |
| 21:06:03 | NetAmp | GeForce4 |
| 21:06:12 | NetAmp | SB Live |
| 21:06:21 | whardier | I want a few hundres of those |
| 21:06:21 | NetAmp | 17" LG CRT screen |
| 21:06:35 | warmi | and you cannot afford Z ? |
| 21:06:43 | NetAmp | erm... hah |
| 21:06:56 | warmi | how much was GeForce 4 ? |
| 21:07:13 | NetAmp | well it's actually an mx :| |
| 21:07:23 | whardier | I want the dual head GF4 |
| 21:07:29 | NetAmp | Titanium? |
| 21:07:46 | treke|home | got his gf4 for 250 |
| 21:07:54 | treke|home | you can easilly get them cheaper |
| 21:07:56 | NetAmp | ibot: change 150 EUR to USD |
| 21:08:00 | | NetAmp: 150.00 (Euro (EUR)) makes 141.617 (United States Dollar (USD)) |
| 21:08:12 | NetAmp | about that amount I believe |
| 21:08:18 | warmi | well, I got my ATI Radeon for about $150 last year |
| 21:08:19 | benmeyer | kergoth: want to try out my package manager? |
| 21:08:25 | benmeyer | still a little ruff |
| 21:08:26 | warmi | by now it is probably obsolete |
| 21:08:32 | NetAmp | nVidia GeForce4 MX-440 400 MHz RAMDAC |
| 21:08:33 | treke|home | whardier : all of the gf4s can push 2 displays |
| 21:08:53 | whardier | http://www.jerkcity.com/jerkcity474.gif |
| 21:08:53 | warmi | benmayer: is this a "drop replacement" for the current one ? |
| 21:09:04 | benmeyer | will be |
| 21:09:04 | whardier | treke|home but its either NTSC and VGA |
| 21:09:06 | whardier | or VGA/VGA |
| 21:09:10 | benmeyer | right now it makes a new icon |
| 21:09:16 | NetAmp | My dad got a ATI Radeon 8500 AIW |
| 21:09:20 | treke|home | although If you are interested in 3d performance, I beilieve a gf3 is a better card |
| 21:09:42 | treke|home | whardier : What do you want it to be? The ones I've seen are VGA/DVI |
| 21:09:43 | benmeyer | bla, will finish it tomarrow |
| 21:09:49 | benmeyer | see you all tomarrow |
| 21:10:07 | sig | k, I'm back |
| 21:10:24 | warmi | NetAmp: do you run Windows on your box ? |
| 21:10:54 | NetAmp | yep, multiboot |
| 21:11:04 | warmi | for games ? |
| 21:11:31 | NetAmp | well also, not so much, so I didn't get such a heavy graphics card ;) |
| 21:11:37 | NetAmp | since I don't really need it |
| 21:11:46 | warmi | what kind of games do you play ? |
| 21:12:39 | NetAmp | shooters |
| 21:12:44 | NetAmp | strategy |
| 21:12:52 | warmi | sig_zaurus: finally got your tckJaber working ? |
| 21:12:52 | NetAmp | depends... |
| 21:12:58 | sig_zaurus | yea |
| 21:13:19 | warmi | NetAmp: heh .. I play only 2 games at this point .... Age of KIngs and Return to Castle Wolfenstein |
| 21:13:19 | mark | warmi: just used knights pretty extensively. leaked 3k |
| 21:13:32 | whardier | With God as my witness.. I am the worst pokemon trainer ever.. |
| 21:13:32 | warmi | 3k is nothing |
| 21:13:37 | sig_zaurus | it only supports one channel at a tim?? |
| 21:14:00 | warmi | mark: maybe benmayer had some other app running in the background |
| 21:14:00 | sig_zaurus | e |
| 21:14:25 | mark | warmi: looks like it. i'm not leaking anything major. works on mine, catalin, harlekin, ljps... |
| 21:14:27 | bill20r3 | anyone got one of the $320 refurb z's from newegg.com? |
| 21:14:40 | NetAmp | warmi: ah I like those :) |
| 21:14:49 | warmi | he likes to play Puzz-le ... I bet it is what's leaking there .. |
| 21:14:51 | warmi | hehe |
| 21:14:59 | mark | lol |
| 21:15:02 | mark | valgrind is excellent |
| 21:15:03 | NetAmp | whardier: have you ported Pokemon? :P |
| 21:15:09 | sig | does tkcJabber only support one irc channel at a time? |
| 21:15:25 | whardier | hehe |
| 21:15:42 | warmi | bill2or3: 5500s ? |
| 21:16:02 | bill20r3 | warmi, yeah |
| 21:16:07 | sig_zaurus | i want to join another channel |
| 21:16:14 | bill20r3 | but supposedly they're bare. |
| 21:16:18 | flo | ader2 |
| 21:16:21 | bill20r3 | like no cradle, no charger, etc.. |
| 21:16:23 | warmi | I can't find any .. just the regular priced one ( at 435) |
| 21:16:39 | bill20r3 | I've seen them in stock, then out, then in again, and now out. |
| 21:16:52 | sig_zaurus | how do you join a second channel with tkcjabber?? |
| 21:16:52 | warmi | ah ok . returns most likely |
| 21:17:11 | bill20r3 | yeah, they only had a 30day warranty, so I'm nervous about that. |
| 21:17:33 | warmi | well, well if it is going break it wil do so right away |
| 21:17:43 | warmi | at least you can hope it will |
| 21:17:44 | warmi | hehe |
| 21:17:46 | sig | anyone use tkcJabber??? |
| 21:17:48 | sig | besides me?? |
| 21:17:58 | warmi | I am sure BigBoss does |
| 21:18:00 | sig | how do you join more than one channel in tkcJabber? |
| 21:18:00 | warmi | :-) |
| 21:18:07 | BigBoss | another conversation? |
| 21:18:10 | BigBoss | just select the contact |
| 21:18:16 | BigBoss | you get a tabbed interface for each chat |
| 21:18:27 | NetAmp | anyone using Gentoo linux? I read about it, seemed interesting |
| 21:18:47 | NetAmp | though it's probably not well suited for kinda beginning users huh |
| 21:19:13 | sig | ok |
| 21:19:16 | sig | got it |
| 21:19:53 | NetAmp | BB: are there any Kwacky desktop pics yet? ;-) |
| 21:19:54 | warmi | sig_zaurus: man, you got to try to experiment sometime instead of screaming for help every time .. |
| 21:19:55 | NetAmp | heh |
| 21:19:56 | warmi | lol |
| 21:21:00 | sig | warmi: I figured that out, but it won't connect to a second irc channel |
| 21:21:06 | sig | thats all I'm saying |
| 21:21:18 | killefiz | wow - korganizer is very fast compared to tkccalendar |
| 21:21:33 | Com[Plex] | hey uh. ben.. wait. hes not here :< |
| 21:21:33 | warmi | killfix: will it run on 5000 ? |
| 21:21:46 | Com[Plex] | whats the model number on the linksys cf 802.11b? |
| 21:22:21 | killefiz | warmi: could work - i still have 17 MB cached on my 5500 |
| 21:22:24 | treke|home | korganizer been released? |
| 21:22:33 | | rumour has it zsi is http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 21:22:33 | treke|home | ibot , zsi? |
| 21:22:42 | killefiz | treke|home: http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=255 |
| 21:22:51 | treke|home | sweeet |
| 21:22:56 | treke|home | installs |
| 21:23:11 | warmi | treke : you have 5000 ? |
| 21:23:12 | NetAmp | hm cool |
| 21:23:24 | treke|home | warmi : no |
| 21:23:30 | treke|home | 3700 |
| 21:23:34 | NetAmp | I need a to-do ;) |
| 21:23:47 | NetAmp | I hate writing post-its :P |
| 21:24:26 | treke|home | killefiz : Is it compatible with the default Z data? |
| 21:24:44 | killefiz | treke|home: no |
| 21:24:55 | sig | BigBoss: is the tkcJabber server offline? |
| 21:24:56 | treke|home | darn |
| 21:24:58 | killefiz | but it is probably compatible with the default korganizer |
| 21:25:02 | sig | it isn't even connecting now |
| 21:25:18 | sig | and I have been getting e-mails saying the servers have problems |
| 21:26:21 | sig | i go to log in and it says "UNATHORIZED" |
| 21:27:56 | sig | BigBoss: valentine.thekompany.com is what server I'm trying through |
| 21:28:09 | sig | and it is denying me |
| 21:28:13 | W|GGL|T | hehe...two kids just offered to mow my bigass lawn...gonna pay them $20 apiece and hope they can actually finish it |
| 21:28:30 | sig | W|GGL|T: |
| 21:28:31 | sig | hehe |
| 21:28:33 | NetAmp | W|GGL|T: hah |
| 21:29:18 | sig | valentine.thekompany.com is down |
| 21:29:41 | mark | warmi: hmm, managed to leak 56k :( |
| 21:29:48 | NetAmp | Pinging valentine.thekompany.com [216.73.109.110] with 32 bytes of data: |
| 21:29:48 | NetAmp | Reply from 216.73.109.110: bytes=32 time=254ms TTL=237 |
| 21:30:05 | sig | NetAmp: yeah, but try to log onto it |
| 21:30:08 | sig | it deny's |
| 21:30:11 | sig | now for some reason |
| 21:30:33 | sig | gives me unathorized error |
| 21:30:55 | sig | where are a list of jabber servers? |
| 21:30:59 | NetAmp | seems to work on HTTP also... so it's the jabber stuff |
| 21:31:38 | warmi | mark: still not terribly bad |
| 21:32:03 | warmi | mark: are you using some sort of tool or just top to check leakage ? |
| 21:32:42 | mark | warmi: valgrind |
| 21:33:09 | warmi | 56 K is not bad |
| 21:33:15 | warmi | this is just for Knights right ? |
| 21:33:26 | warmi | you are not checking forked gnuchess child ? |
| 21:33:32 | mark | yeh, I doubt it acts on forked childs |
| 21:33:47 | warmi | well, I am pretty sire gnuchess is not leaking |
| 21:33:53 | mark | that was with two simultaneous computer v computer matches going on |
| 21:33:55 | warmi | after all it is a quite mature app |
| 21:33:57 | mark | yeh, I'd agree |
| 21:34:14 | warmi | well, my quess would be something with internal moves storage |
| 21:34:15 | treke|home | korganizer doesnt do contacts? |
| 21:34:26 | mark | treke|home: no |
| 21:34:27 | warmi | list QList of moves or something like that |
| 21:34:40 | treke|home | seems odd to me :) |
| 21:36:17 | mark | warmi: perhaps. I dont think its a showstopper though |
| 21:36:28 | warmi | nah ... 56 K is nothing |
| 21:37:22 | W|GGL|T | wishes those boys luck because even he can't cut it all in one shot...gotta spread it out between two days |
| 21:37:26 | warmi | unless there is some sort of runaway memory eating bug that only gets triggered by some sort of combination .. and if it is there you will hear about it |
| 21:37:36 | mark | heh, yeah |
| 21:37:42 | warmi | I doubt though |
| 21:37:53 | mark | me too |
| 21:37:57 | warmi | I think benmayer hasd something else going |
| 21:37:58 | bill20r3 | staples.com dropped thier price to $449 |
| 21:38:10 | warmi | is that good or bad ? |
| 21:38:12 | warmi | hehe |
| 21:38:20 | W|GGL|T | circuit city stopped selling them here, i think |
| 21:38:20 | bill20r3 | well.. |
| 21:38:21 | bill20r3 | both |
| 21:38:32 | warmi | why both ? |
| 21:38:35 | bill20r3 | cause it's cheaper, but they have a %110 pricematch, too |
| 21:38:37 | mark | warmi: me too. i'm glad the ipk installed and everything. I _think_ i'm ready for release |
| 21:38:52 | bill20r3 | circuit city sucks anyway |
| 21:39:39 | warmi | mark: yeah ... go ahead then |
| 21:39:56 | warmi | no internet play for now , right ? |
| 21:40:00 | mark | warmi: right |
| 21:40:13 | mark | i'm planning on that cooinciding with ZChess release heh |
| 21:40:27 | warmi | as I said .. 1 month or so from now |
| 21:40:45 | warmi | assuming I find enough time to finish it |
| 21:41:09 | mark | okay |
| 21:41:18 | mark | i should head to bed now, physics exam tomorrow morning |
| 21:41:26 | warmi | yeah |
| 21:41:31 | warmi | g. night then |
| 21:41:35 | mark | c ya warmi |
| 21:42:04 | sig | BigBoss: i found a bug in tkcJabber |
| 21:42:27 | BigBoss | our jabber server just went down |
| 21:42:29 | BigBoss | what is the bug? |
| 21:43:24 | [DrEvil] | it eats memory |
| 21:43:28 | sig | if type where it says channels: and put two chanells in, like: #zaurus,#linuxdojo it will disconnect and you'll have to reenter everything |
| 21:44:08 | BigBoss | jabber is fine with memory in my work |
| 21:44:14 | BigBoss | sig: send details to max@thekompany.com |
| 21:44:22 | sig | k |
| 21:44:33 | [DrEvil] | if I leave tkcJabber running it will eventually consume everything |
| 21:44:38 | warmi | every self-respectiong program eats memory |
| 21:44:49 | sig | but once you re create your account your fine, just 'DONT' put two channels in that space |
| 21:44:49 | BigBoss | that is how they prove their dominance :) |
| 21:44:53 | bill20r3 | that's just it's way of telling you to log off and go outside. |
| 21:45:02 | NetAmp | http://www.lepel.nl/ |
| 21:45:07 | NetAmp | "There is no spoon" |
| 21:45:35 | sig | BigBoss: why are these jabber servers so flaky? |
| 21:45:39 | NetAmp | hm... |
| 21:45:42 | sig | up one hour down the next |
| 21:45:45 | warmi | DrEvil: if you leave Qtopia running long enough it will consume all memory |
| 21:45:47 | warmi | hehe |
| 21:45:51 | NetAmp | I gotta go, my braincells are getting to warm |
| 21:45:55 | NetAmp | l8r |
| 21:46:03 | BigBoss | sig: I don't know, it had been working for a month or more without trouble, now this last week it is suddenly unstable |
| 21:46:13 | sig | hmm |
| 21:47:29 | sig | BigBoss: put two channels in that space |
| 21:47:42 | sig | you'll have to recreate |
| 21:48:14 | sig | like i just did |
| 21:48:18 | sig | for the 3rd time |
| 21:48:47 | BigBoss | sig: I just restarted it |
| 21:48:52 | sig | heh |
| 21:48:55 | BigBoss | I wonder if that command is taking down the server |
| 21:49:25 | sig | lol |
| 21:49:34 | sig | BigBoss: I don't see you online |
| 21:49:52 | BigBoss | I'm not |
| 21:49:55 | BigBoss | logging on now |
| 21:50:33 | sig_zaurus | k, imhere now |
| 21:50:47 | BigBoss | i'm curious if that command caused the server to come down |
| 21:51:05 | sig_zaurus | unstable server, they should fire thir admin |
| 21:51:07 | sig_zaurus | lol |
| 21:51:18 | BigBoss | we don't control the jabber server code |
| 21:51:28 | sig_zaurus | im going to email them |
| 21:52:26 | sig_zaurus | im really erked that this email client cant handle sending attatchments |
| 21:52:56 | sig_zaurus | but tkcFTP works great |
| 21:53:37 | warmi | attachments are evil |
| 21:54:02 | sig | no |
| 21:54:08 | sig | only for the zaurus |
| 21:54:17 | sig | all i wanted to do was e-mail a screenshot |
| 21:54:21 | sig | damn thing |
| 21:54:23 | sig | hehe |
| 21:56:09 | sig | BigBoss: ok e-mail sent |
| 22:05:19 | tux_mike | ow... my head' |
| 22:51:53 | Cloud | hullo |
| 22:54:03 | Sniper | hullo |
| 22:58:47 | kergoth | re |
| 22:59:30 | kergoth`gone | goin home |
| 23:10:27 | ljp | ok.. quit slackin' I'm back! |
| 23:17:07 | Cloud | ok this is kinda bogus here |
| 23:17:12 | Cloud | not sure what to do with it |
| 23:17:25 | Cloud | i had my wireless get an ip earlier from a network |
| 23:17:38 | Cloud | now i get home and it still shows same address, instead of getting one from my ap |
| 23:25:52 | Cloud | had to restart |
| 23:25:58 | Cloud | things that sounds like windows |
| 23:26:02 | Cloud | er thinks |
| 23:48:55 | NoRemorse | heya bigboss |
| 23:49:27 | BigBoss | hmm? |
| 23:49:30 | BigBoss | what's up |
| 23:51:05 | Wembly | hihi :) |
| 23:52:00 | NoRemorse | is there going to be any updates to tkcJabber encorporating groups |
| 23:52:48 | BigBoss | probably - we'll get it working on the desktop first |
| 23:52:54 | BigBoss | which I think we might have already done |
| 23:53:28 | NoRemorse | cool can i get that as well? |
| 23:56:39 | NoRemorse | jabber needs voice messaging |
| 23:57:27 | ljp_studio | hmmm |
| 23:57:31 | NoRemorse | then again whats the green play button for? |
| 23:57:45 | NoRemorse | heya ljp |
| 23:58:57 | ljp_studio | hi |
| 23:59:00 | whardier | HI! |
| 23:59:14 | whardier | just cheated on Papa Johns |
| 23:59:29 | ljp_studio | short changed them? |
| 23:59:45 | whardier | no |
| 23:59:50 | whardier | ordered from Pizza Hut |
| 23:59:55 | whardier | couple bucks less |
