| 00:10:48 | kevin | oh msn...gotta luv kismet |
| 00:11:05 | kevin | man...gotta hate fat thumbs |
| 00:41:03 | ljp | hmmm |
| 00:47:39 | whardier | hmm my ass hmm! |
| 00:47:43 | whardier | hmm all over it! |
| 00:47:46 | whardier | is pissy |
| 00:51:12 | ljp | you need a beer |
| 00:51:41 | ljp | go fo rhtat great german lager, meisterbrau |
| 00:52:54 | [DrEvil] | fucking IRS |
| 00:53:42 | ][N-Flux | what did they do THIS time |
| 00:54:36 | [DrEvil] | they didn't read what they told me to send to them |
| 01:02:55 | skipC | how do i do the equivalent of 'xterm -e command' with embeddedkonsole ? |
| 01:03:30 | ljp | grab opie's embeddedkonsole and do embeddedkonsole -e command |
| 01:03:45 | ljp | should work |
| 01:04:26 | skipC | i tried that, but it didnt seem to work |
| 01:06:24 | ljp | hmmm ya I havent tried that lately.. |
| 01:07:53 | skipC | I just get a terminal to pop up, it doesnt run the command |
| 01:08:15 | ljp | what command? |
| 01:08:26 | skipC | ummm.... gforth |
| 01:12:31 | ljp | there's 2 methods for it to run commands there's the -e switch, or something like: |
| 01:12:31 | ljp | qcop QPE/Application/embeddedkonsole 'setDocument(QString)' 'emacs-nox' |
| 01:13:28 | ljp | are you using the latest opie embeddedkonsole? |
| 01:13:34 | skipC | emac-nox is the command in your example |
| 01:13:50 | ljp | yes, you can use arg's there also |
| 01:57:22 | Wembly | what in the world is qcop? |
| 01:58:21 | treke|home | its a protocal for programs to communicate with each other |
| 01:58:58 | Wembly | ahhh |
| 01:58:59 | Wembly | ok hehe |
| 01:59:09 | Wembly | how's it work? |
| 01:59:10 | Wembly | i mean.. |
| 01:59:13 | Wembly | why not use a fido? |
| 01:59:14 | Wembly | err |
| 01:59:16 | Wembly | fifo :P |
| 02:00:00 | treke|home | Wembly : For the most part its qt magic. :) |
| 02:00:05 | Wembly | hehe |
| 02:00:34 | treke|home | Wembly : I think there is a QCop class that you derive from and set up which messages to listen for and send |
| 02:00:54 | treke|home | its in the manual |
| 02:09:48 | neotrode | hello all |
| 02:10:20 | darienm | hello *wave* |
| 02:10:53 | neotrode | Hello darienm. Seems quiet here |
| 02:11:39 | neotrode | I guess everyone's enjoying their toy (zaurus that is) |
| 02:13:30 | neotrode | any know if there will be a mobile phone made for the zaurus? I heard the mobile modem might be capable but not sure. Also has anyone heard of a full size keyboard for it? |
| 02:14:06 | kevin | no...but i'd luv a full size keyboard |
| 02:14:09 | darienm | no clue. and it was busy here earlier |
| 02:14:16 | neotrode | hehe |
| 02:14:17 | Neo|Work | is away: home |
| 02:14:26 | darienm | full size keyboard is easy -- use the Z as a VNC server and connect with your PC |
| 02:14:43 | neotrode | well I meant just the keyboard |
| 02:14:48 | kevin | then i'd have to travel with a PC |
| 02:14:58 | neotrode | like the handrspring "Stowaway" foldable |
| 02:15:40 | neotrode | It'd be nice for a couch patato or a meeting. |
| 02:16:38 | neotrode | anyone here but it only because it was linux based? |
| 02:16:47 | neotrode | buy <> but |
| 02:17:49 | neotrode | tough crowd tonight |
| 02:18:37 | Wembly | neotrode: actually it running linux was a plus but definatly not the resone. |
| 02:18:50 | Wembly | neotrode: the form factor and features of the hardware make it very attractive in its own right. |
| 02:19:13 | Wembly | neotrode: and the only alternative is that of pocket pc :/ |
| 02:19:18 | darienm | I bought it solely for the linux |
| 02:19:26 | Wembly | herm. |
| 02:19:32 | jmhodges | hello! |
| 02:19:49 | neotrode | kool. Just wondering. I like it for the hardware mainly but the Linux OS sold me...I got rid of my Prism immediately. |
| 02:19:50 | jmhodges | problems still Wembly? |
| 02:19:52 | Wembly | only thing i wish it had was a console that you could set the width of and have a horiztonal scroll. |
| 02:20:06 | Wembly | jmhodges: *shrug* yea but i cant work on them anymore. i gotta study for school. |
| 02:20:30 | darienm | You can rotate the existing console 90-degrees, that helps. |
| 02:20:39 | neotrode | You might be able to edit that in the QT settings |
| 02:20:53 | jmhodges | anyone got a working .config with .18 and iptables installed? |
| 02:20:54 | neotrode | I personally haven't "hacked" into it yet |
| 02:20:54 | Wembly | darienm: you can rotate the existing console 90 180 270 or 360 degress hehe |
| 02:20:55 | jmhodges | Wembly: :( |
| 02:21:06 | Wembly | darienm: by default its rotated 270 degrees |
| 02:21:17 | jmhodges | what is this we are talking about? |
| 02:21:31 | kevin | anybody know the hockey score? |
| 02:21:35 | Wembly | darienm: i just want the ablity to set the width of the console. |
| 02:21:57 | Wembly | so then things dont look ick when you type in the commands and its ment for a console that is atleast 80 chars wide :) |
| 02:22:00 | Wembly | ala ifconfig :) |
| 02:22:23 | KhensU | kevin: 2-2 |
| 02:22:44 | Wembly | and rotating the console app 90 degrees is nice but requires that you type on the side of the console. and something is 90 degrees to the other. |
| 02:22:58 | neotrode | maybe on the next release of the terminal app. Make a suggestion for it. |
| 02:23:09 | Wembly | neotrode: suggestion where? |
| 02:23:24 | Wembly | neotrode: id rather just write a patch for it :) |
| 02:23:29 | neotrode | to those whome compiled the terminal app. |
| 02:23:32 | neotrode | hold on.... |
| 02:23:41 | Wembly | neotrode: thus giving me experince as well :) |
| 02:24:53 | neotrode | nevermind...The Sharp crew made it. I thought it was asome 3rd party. Well...Try emailing the Zaurus development team. |
| 02:25:07 | Wembly | neotrode: opie also has a terminal :) |
| 02:25:18 | neotrode | I will also make that request |
| 02:25:19 | darienm | I'm using the Konsole |
| 02:25:26 | darienm | by opie -- its better |
| 02:25:27 | Wembly | dosnt know what the diff is. |
| 02:25:38 | neotrode | that way they may put that option in there |
| 02:25:39 | Wembly | just know that there is a opie-terminalthingie |
| 02:25:43 | Wembly | and a qpe-terminalthingie |
| 02:25:52 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 02:25:56 | Wembly | i think i used the opie one |
| 02:26:04 | Wembly | from the zauruszone feed |
| 02:26:12 | neotrode | well hey... I haven't tried those out yet...hmmm new apps to try out. kewl |
| 02:26:34 | Wembly | i must find myself a routing/iptables guru. |
| 02:26:52 | jmhodges | Wembly: when you do send him my way :) |
| 02:27:02 | Wembly | jmhodges: whats your problem? |
| 02:27:08 | neotrode | what are you trying to do wenbly? |
| 02:27:13 | jmhodges | ill do the same.. |
| 02:27:14 | neotrode | iptables wise |
| 02:27:22 | jmhodges | Wembly: still no go with net sharing |
| 02:27:23 | neotrode | Masq? NAT? |
| 02:27:43 | jmhodges | neotrode: when your done with him can you help me? ;) |
| 02:27:59 | Wembly | neotrode: trying to get 3 interfaces interacting with each other. |
| 02:28:27 | Wembly | neotrode: ideally without breaking up my block of 16 ip addresses into smaller blocks and without useing a 3rd ip for the same system. |
| 02:28:31 | neotrode | 1 nic to the net and 2 others for routing? |
| 02:28:39 | Wembly | neotrode: yep. |
| 02:28:53 | Wembly | neotrode: all of which are static addressable ip's |
| 02:28:59 | neotrode | why 2 others? differrent class nets? |
| 02:29:08 | Wembly | neotrode: one usb0 another eth0 |
| 02:29:14 | Wembly | neotrode: local lan and usb0 |
| 02:29:16 | neotrode | ah. |
| 02:29:21 | Wembly | neotrode: and eventually a wireless lan. |
| 02:29:34 | neotrode | i was about to guess that for the USB part |
| 02:29:38 | Wembly | neotrode: i need someway of unifing the lan interfaces. |
| 02:29:44 | neotrode | I am about to try that too |
| 02:29:50 | Wembly | neotrode: so that they appear as tho they are on the same network. |
| 02:30:14 | Wembly | neotrode: without breaking up my ip block into smaller blocks :/ |
| 02:30:16 | neotrode | you may need to "daisychain" the routing table |
| 02:30:22 | Wembly | neotrode: daisychain? |
| 02:30:24 | Wembly | explain? |
| 02:30:32 | neotrode | route the wireless to eth1 |
| 02:30:37 | neotrode | route eth1 to eth0 |
| 02:30:38 | Wembly | ahh |
| 02:30:48 | Wembly | not overly shure howto do that. |
| 02:30:54 | neotrode | USB ->eth1 eth1->eth0 |
| 02:31:12 | neotrode | I still use IPCHAINS |
| 02:31:29 | neotrode | I modprobed it into kernel 2.4.17 |
| 02:31:48 | Wembly | neotrode: another problem is is i want all my packets from this system going out with a speific ip address. but that ip address is not the ip address for the inet interface :/ |
| 02:32:28 | neotrode | I know I should use IPTABLES but I had to set it up quickly and I know IPCHAINS well |
| 02:32:29 | Wembly | neotrode: so? hehe |
| 02:32:29 | Wembly | neotrode: ipchains and iptables are for the most part very close. |
| 02:32:38 | neotrode | So you want to MASQUERADE the IPTABLES then |
| 02:32:40 | Wembly | neotrode: hehe |
| 02:32:46 | Wembly | neotrode: i dont need to masq |
| 02:32:51 | neotrode | no? |
| 02:32:51 | jmhodges | oooo.. Euro conversion.. didnt know that was there.. |
| 02:32:53 | Wembly | neotrode: like i said they are real ip's |
| 02:34:34 | neotrode | i see |
| 02:34:44 | jmhodges | hey Na |
| 02:34:51 | jmhodges | er.. hey hasa |
| 02:34:55 | jmhodges | dammit! |
| 02:34:57 | jmhodges | hey Nasa! |
| 02:35:22 | Nasa | What up? |
| 02:35:23 | neotrode | Well thats a trick I have't tried but I'm thinking... |
| 02:35:42 | jmhodges | not much Nasa |
| 02:35:45 | jmhodges | ... |
| 02:35:51 | Nasa | Fingers aren't working to well, I see |
| 02:35:57 | jmhodges | saaaaaay.. nasa do you have iptables installed? |
| 02:36:05 | jmhodges | hehe Nasa |
| 02:36:05 | Nasa | Sure do |
| 02:36:14 | neotrode | Wenbly: but that ip address is not the ip address for the inet interface :/ |
| 02:36:20 | neotrode | what ip is it? |
| 02:36:26 | jmhodges | saaaaay.. wanna give me your .config? |
| 02:36:31 | Wembly | neotrode: the ip for the network interface? which one? |
| 02:36:31 | jmhodges | :DD |
| 02:36:32 | neotrode | hehehe |
| 02:36:36 | Wembly | neotrode: the lan ip is 161 |
| 02:36:45 | Nasa | my .config? |
| 02:36:46 | Wembly | the inet ip is something differnt. its on a differnt subnet. |
| 02:37:21 | jmhodges | Nasa: your configuration for your kernel |
| 02:38:01 | neotrode | I think you need a better IPTABLE |
| 02:38:05 | Nasa | oh.... -- I am using the stock mandrake cooker kernel (I didn't have to recompile it) |
| 02:38:07 | neotrode | guy than me |
| 02:38:08 | Nasa | although I could |
| 02:38:25 | Wembly | neotrode: me? |
| 02:38:28 | neotrode | si |
| 02:38:43 | Nasa | What distro you using jmhodges? |
| 02:38:50 | jmhodges | Nasa: lunar linux |
| 02:38:52 | jmhodges | :) |
| 02:38:54 | jmhodges | src based |
| 02:39:05 | Nasa | oh.... |
| 02:39:21 | neotrode | Wembly: I've only delt with 2 nics one real IP and masq the sub nets |
| 02:39:29 | Wembly | hehe |
| 02:39:30 | Wembly | evil |
| 02:39:31 | Nasa | I could give you a .config -- but it would not be very useful for your particualar setup |
| 02:39:33 | Wembly | i couldnt stand that |
| 02:39:49 | jmhodges | why's that Nasa? |
| 02:40:52 | neotrode | back to the zaurus...Is anyone using the wireless CF card on the zaurus? How long does the battery last while using it? |
| 02:40:59 | Nasa | Right now my kernel has everything compiled as modules (that is everything) by default. Plus it has things specific to mandrake. On top of all that -- you would need to configure the kernel for your hardware, which I don't know |
| 02:41:20 | jmhodges | hrm.. |
| 02:41:22 | jmhodges | well damn.. |
| 02:41:26 | CloudChaser | ack! new zaurus zone board |
| 02:41:46 | CloudChaser | can't read it in mozilla |
| 02:41:47 | jmhodges | ya see i did do an all modulized iptable setup but all the modules went bad (unresovled symbols) |
| 02:41:50 | CloudChaser | type's too small |
| 02:42:14 | Wembly | cloudchaser: isnt there someway of increaseing the size? |
| 02:42:26 | CloudChaser | dunno but i sure would like to know it |
| 02:42:32 | Wembly | jmhodges: what symbols? |
| 02:42:45 | Wembly | did you grep the /proc/ksyms to see if its just a bad crc32 again? |
| 02:42:47 | Nasa | hmmm, did you get any errors while compiling the kernel? |
| 02:42:55 | CloudChaser | ooh found it! |
| 02:42:56 | CloudChaser | wow |
| 02:43:02 | jmhodges | crc32? |
| 02:43:04 | CloudChaser | wish i had known about that months ago! |
| 02:43:10 | jmhodges | Nasa: dunno.. |
| 02:43:57 | Nasa | jmhodges: one way to see is to do a "script" just before building the kernel. It will drop a file with all the output in the directory you called it in |
| 02:44:32 | jmhodges | Nasa: i already have a script.. lunar linux is aaaaall about the pkg management |
| 02:44:44 | jmhodges | Nasa: i have both the compile and install logged |
| 02:44:45 | jmhodges | :) |
| 02:44:46 | Nasa | jmhodges: try it now: Type script, then do a 'ls -al'; then exit |
| 02:44:53 | jmhodges | uh.. |
| 02:45:00 | Nasa | I mean type 'exit' |
| 02:45:23 | jmhodges | Nasa: i have a log of the compile |
| 02:45:32 | jmhodges | Nasa: im looking at it right now |
| 02:45:37 | Nasa | oh, my bad. |
| 02:46:37 | Nasa | jmhodges: btw, did you do a 'depmod -ae' after compiling your new kernel? |
| 02:47:09 | jmhodges | sigh.. let me try it again :) |
| 02:48:13 | Nasa | jmhodges: being able to compile your own kernel is one of the true joys of linux (cough, cough...) |
| 02:48:25 | CloudChaser | hmm no posts |
| 02:48:39 | CloudChaser | i hope they don't lose all the old ones! |
| 02:52:03 | jmhodges_ | DAMMIT |
| 02:52:05 | jmhodges_ | i got killled sorry |
| 02:52:27 | Wembly | hehe |
| 02:52:37 | Wembly | nasa: wtf does -e do? |
| 02:52:57 | jmhodges | i got depmod -ae and thats it.. |
| 02:53:35 | Wembly | what the hell does the upgrade button do on the package manager on zaurus? |
| 02:53:37 | Nasa | -e, --errsyms |
| 02:53:37 | Nasa | Show all the unresolved symbols for each module. |
| 02:53:43 | Wembly | ahhhhhh |
| 02:54:12 | Nasa | jmhodges: if it returns nothing -- then all is good |
| 02:55:08 | Nasa | BTW: is there a remote control program for the Z? I thought I saw one once, but can't find it now |
| 02:56:08 | Wembly | nasa: yea opie has one dunno if its for the Z or what. im still confuzzuled on that aspect |
| 02:56:21 | Wembly | nasa: check out the zaurus software index tho |
| 02:56:40 | Wembly | at like http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ i think its there |
| 02:56:44 | Wembly | i dunno how well it works. |
| 02:56:45 | jmhodges | sigh.. |
| 02:56:57 | Wembly | tell me if ya try it out :) |
| 02:57:34 | jmhodges | sigh.. |
| 02:57:44 | Nasa | Yep, it's there alright |
| 02:57:45 | jmhodges | look doing a depmod -ae is not going to help .. |
| 02:58:02 | Nasa | jmhodges: does it return anything? |
| 02:58:23 | jmhodges | no |
| 02:58:32 | jmhodges | but i had everytyhing builtin the last time |
| 02:58:45 | jmhodges | but the script i was planning on using requires modules |
| 02:59:20 | jmhodges | shit bbl |
| 02:59:27 | Nasa | ok |
| 03:01:10 | Nasa | Where can I find lirc? |
| 03:02:12 | Nasa | nm |
| 03:08:16 | Nasa | lirc has to be compiled from cvs...now I am scared... |
| 03:08:29 | Nasa | Do I have to cross-compile this? |
| 03:16:13 | Nasa | anyone want to help a poor soul out? How do I cross-compile? |
| 03:21:20 | Speedy2 | Nasa: Set CC=arm-linux-gcc |
| 03:22:20 | Nasa | then do a ./confgure; make? |
| 03:22:34 | Speedy2 | Nasa: Yeah |
| 03:23:51 | Wembly | speedy2: there is also some way to set on the commandline the platform :) |
| 03:24:45 | Nasa | got an error: "checking whether the C compiler (arm-linux-gcc -O2 -g -Wall ) works... no" |
| 03:25:18 | Nasa | ah.. arm-linux-gcc not found |
| 03:25:33 | Nasa | what package do I need to have that? |
| 03:26:05 | Wembly | anyone have the manpage for the dhcpcd on the zaurus? |
| 03:41:58 | Speedy2 | Nasa: The cross compiler! |
| 03:45:10 | Hellaenergy | whoot whoot |
| 03:46:59 | bill2or3 | eh |
| 04:03:49 | codemnky | hello |
| 04:05:08 | codemnky | i said hello |
| 04:07:39 | Speedy2 | HELLO |
| 04:07:46 | codemnky | :) |
| 04:07:50 | codemnky | quiet huh |
| 04:13:41 | jmhodges | back |
| 04:13:43 | jmhodges | im here.. |
| 04:13:45 | jmhodges | for 5 min :) |
| 04:13:47 | jmhodges | hello |
| 04:13:55 | codemnky | hello |
| 04:15:10 | jmhodges | :) |
| 04:16:00 | jmhodges | quickly codemnky give me a set of iptables rules to let my Z share my ppp connection!! ...;) |
| 04:16:36 | codemnky | how's eveything connected? |
| 04:16:57 | jmhodges | using usb0 |
| 04:16:58 | jmhodges | dammit |
| 04:17:01 | jmhodges | got to go.. |
| 04:17:09 | jmhodges | and ppp0 for net.. |
| 04:17:11 | jmhodges | seeya |
| 04:18:46 | Wembly | hehe |
| 04:20:00 | codemnky | haha |
| 04:36:12 | nems | Wembly : whatcha need the man page for? |
| 04:43:53 | Wembly | err i forgot what i asked for the manpage of hehe |
| 04:43:54 | Wembly | oh yea |
| 04:43:55 | Wembly | hehe |
| 04:43:59 | Wembly | howto get rid of a lesase |
| 04:44:01 | Wembly | and renew it. |
| 04:44:03 | nems | but why? :) I dont have the manpage but I can help maybe... |
| 04:44:05 | Wembly | and to drop it completely |
| 04:44:19 | Wembly | and other such things like it. |
| 04:44:29 | nems | nevermind.. I dunno that :) |
| 04:45:33 | Wembly | hehe its ok :) |
| 05:05:07 | BigBoss | l |
| 05:14:49 | [MiniMe] | yez |
| 05:15:04 | whardier | asdf |
| 05:29:20 | benwei | is there a zaurus emulator for linux? |
| 05:29:39 | benwei | that lets me run zaurus binaries? |
| 05:30:01 | Speedy2 | No |
| 05:30:05 | Speedy2 | Not to my knowledge |
| 05:30:07 | Speedy2 | There is "GBD" |
| 05:30:14 | benwei | what is that |
| 05:30:16 | Speedy2 | Which would let you simulate a processor running the binary |
| 05:30:21 | Speedy2 | It's the GNU debugger |
| 05:30:30 | benwei | oh ok |
| 05:30:32 | Speedy2 | But that would be of limited use since you cannot simulate anything like the LCD, etc. |
| 05:30:35 | benwei | yeah |
| 05:31:28 | benwei | ok oh well. im getting a zaurus in a few months, but im really anxious to try stuff out on it now. |
| 05:32:34 | Speedy2 | yeah |
| 05:32:36 | Speedy2 | I can understand that |
| 05:47:57 | W|GGL|T | wonders if hancomsheet will open gnumeric docs |
| 05:51:59 | Neo|Zaurus | it does not |
| 05:58:03 | W|GGL|T | damn |
| 06:37:01 | Guest | hello |
| 06:37:31 | Twiun | anybody still up? |
| 06:37:47 | Twiun | and have the ogg123 ipk lying around? |
| 06:37:56 | hardwire | hehe |
| 06:38:06 | hardwire | is stealing somebodies internet connection |
| 06:38:12 | hardwire | when the hype goes away |
| 06:38:14 | hardwire | I mgiht feel bad |
| 06:38:17 | hardwire | might even |
| 06:38:18 | Twiun | Hah |
| 06:38:36 | hardwire | chances are I am stealing some assholes (I use that loosely beside myself) own that line and are kazaa feinds |
| 06:39:10 | Twiun | any reason? |
| 06:39:27 | hardwire | yeah |
| 06:39:36 | hardwire | my wifi connection to an OC/3 is going away in a few days |
| 06:39:49 | Twiun | Ahhh |
| 06:39:50 | hardwire | and I need to steal so I can get my own damn cable connection |
| 06:40:30 | NoRemorse | heya |
| 06:41:05 | Twiun | Heya... you wouldn't happen to have the ogg123 ipk handy, would you? |
| 06:41:08 | NoRemorse | whats the jeode executeable please? |
| 06:41:34 | Twiun | evm, it's in QtPalmtop/bin |
| 06:44:05 | NoRemorse | what, jeode is? |
| 06:44:45 | Twiun | on the Z yeah, obviously there's a few shared libs... |
| 06:45:50 | NoRemorse | hmm I wanna run ICQJava, but it wants the "JAVA_EXEC="$JAVA_HOME/bin/java" |
| 06:46:20 | Twiun | just edit that to say JAVA_EXEC="evm" |
| 06:46:34 | NoRemorse | ah! |
| 06:46:36 | NoRemorse | ta :) |
| 06:47:11 | NoRemorse | and for JAVA_CLASSES="$JAVA_HOME/lib/classes.zip" |
| 06:47:12 | NoRemorse | ? |
| 06:47:34 | Twiun | that isn't available on the Z, you'll have to try without |
| 06:47:37 | W|GGL|T | is away: I'm busy smoking a blunt or sleeping or something |
| 06:47:46 | NoRemorse | ok ta! |
| 06:49:51 | NoRemorse | # ./ICQ |
| 06:49:51 | NoRemorse | QSocket::writeBlock: Socket is not open |
| 06:49:51 | NoRemorse | QSocket::writeBlock: Socket is not open |
| 06:49:51 | NoRemorse | QSocket::writeBlock: Socket is not open |
| 06:49:52 | NoRemorse | QSocket::writeBlock: Socket is not open |
| 06:49:52 | NoRemorse | No Qt/Embedded server appears to be running. |
| 06:49:54 | NoRemorse | If you want to run this program as a server, |
| 06:49:56 | NoRemorse | add the "-qws" command-line option. |
| 06:49:58 | NoRemorse | ? |
| 06:50:08 | Twiun | you are running this from the terminal app, right? |
| 06:50:12 | NoRemorse | yes |
| 06:50:27 | NoRemorse | I am ssh'd in |
| 06:50:35 | Twiun | that's no good |
| 06:50:42 | NoRemorse | where should I run it? |
| 06:50:52 | Twiun | it has to be run from the Z itself, not from a ssh session |
| 06:51:05 | NoRemorse | z terminal ok? |
| 06:51:10 | Twiun | yup |
| 06:51:45 | NoRemorse | got a classes error :( |
| 06:51:59 | Twiun | go on, I'm here for another 5mins |
| 06:52:18 | NoRemorse | hehe |
| 06:52:23 | NoRemorse | have to type hang |
| 06:52:56 | NoRemorse | java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: Mirabilis/ICQ/NetAware/CNetAwareApp |
| 06:53:15 | NoRemorse | pfft anyone compiled licq for Z? |
| 06:53:18 | NoRemorse | :) |
| 06:53:28 | NoRemorse | I should try it on the cross compiler |
| 06:54:55 | Twiun | that java ICQ came with some kind of jar, or a bunch of .class files? |
| 06:55:04 | NoRemorse | came with a .jar yes |
| 06:55:37 | Twiun | ok, remember that line with the classes.zip in it? add that .jar file (with full path) to it |
| 06:55:48 | NoRemorse | ah ok! |
| 06:55:54 | Twiun | think of that variable as a PATH variable, use colon separators |
| 06:58:09 | NoRemorse | hmm! error loading images and sounds.. getting there! |
| 06:58:20 | Twiun | cool |
| 06:58:47 | Twiun | those shouldn't be java related problems... I'll leave you to it - I have to get ready for work ;-) |
| 06:58:55 | Twiun | I'll be back in 15mins or so |
| 06:59:01 | NoRemorse | ta! |
| 06:59:02 | NoRemorse | catcha |
| 07:00:14 | NoRemorse | BUAHAHAHAHA IT WORKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 07:03:17 | hardwire | night folks |
| 07:03:24 | hardwire | my internet stealing is done for the night |
| 07:03:43 | Speedy2 | hardwire: Whom are you stealing this from? |
| 07:03:49 | hardwire | I wish I knew |
| 07:03:53 | Speedy2 | I meant how |
| 07:03:54 | Speedy2 | WiFI? |
| 07:03:56 | hardwire | yeah |
| 07:04:00 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 07:04:00 | Speedy2 | ;) |
| 07:04:20 | hardwire | if my other link would stay up I would be happy |
| 07:04:23 | hardwire | but they are pulling it |
| 07:04:30 | hardwire | because I am not a paying customer I guess |
| 07:04:33 | hardwire | even tho I offered |
| 07:04:34 | hardwire | haha |
| 07:05:25 | hardwire | they just don't want their old sysadmin on their systems |
| 07:05:25 | hardwire | they keep deleting my accounts |
| 07:05:25 | hardwire | I keep having to add them again |
| 07:05:25 | hardwire | they keep getting frustrated on how I am doing that |
| 07:05:25 | hardwire | oh well |
| 07:05:25 | hardwire | they will learn about ssh keys sooner or later |
| 07:05:52 | Speedy2 | hrm |
| 07:05:52 | Speedy2 | bbl |
| 07:06:16 | hardwire | makes a perl script to change his mac all the time |
| 07:06:21 | hardwire | no |
| 07:06:21 | hardwire | no |
| 07:06:26 | hardwire | I must sleep damnit! |
| 07:07:03 | hardwire | hmm |
| 07:07:10 | hardwire | maybe if I set up the tunnel I will feel better |
| 07:18:26 | Zxcvb | is there a nes emulator for the zaurus available? |
| 08:08:59 | Wembly | nini |
| 08:12:28 | N0Remorse | heya |
| 08:13:08 | N0Remorse | licq needs qt libs, does Z have them? |
| 08:18:37 | axp | someone already got a WIFI connection wirth linksys WCF11 ? |
| 09:13:02 | NoRemorse | heya |
| 09:13:11 | NoRemorse | what file do I edit to change my path for terminal? |
| 09:16:02 | NoRemorse | -> /root/.profile is readonly and /home/root/.profile doesnt seem to be used |
| 09:32:19 | neophyte | hi, could anyone please inform me about what happened to zauruszone.com? |
| 09:33:56 | neophyte | are they in the process of moving data from old system to new? |
| 09:34:05 | neophyte | or what ist happening there? |
| 09:40:51 | neophyte | doesn't anyone know? |
| 09:42:37 | NoRemorse | they dont care dood |
| 09:42:51 | NoRemorse | I think they are all bots or someshit |
| 09:44:39 | NoRemorse | jesus fucking christ is it my sadram or is my zaurus just rooted, it keeps hanging all the time |
| 09:48:16 | mark | is away: I'm busy |
| 09:51:44 | neophyte | *sigh* |
| 09:51:59 | neophyte | a need a TV addon now |
| 09:52:20 | neophyte | I want to watch soccer |
| 09:56:48 | neophyte | ah well - see you later |
| 09:58:17 | NoRemorse | does anyone use tkcJabber? |
| 10:00:57 | Guest | pfft |
| 10:04:32 | NoRemorse | wtf is a roster |
| 10:15:51 | NoRemorse | jabber is truly fucked |
| 10:17:01 | George- | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1357663578 |
| 10:17:04 | George- | what's that a picture of? |
| 10:17:11 | George- | That's not a Zaurus SL 5000D is it? |
| 10:21:47 | NoRemorse | hehe vnc rocks |
| 10:26:13 | mark | George-: looks like it |
| 10:28:56 | George- | mark: hmm, it's more rounded |
| 10:29:02 | George- | mark: plus look at the button configuration |
| 10:29:29 | mark | George-: true |
| 10:29:57 | George- | so.. what _is_ that PDA? |
| 10:30:07 | George- | the screenshot in the screen doesn't look like Linux either. |
| 10:31:05 | mark | could be one of the old japanese ones |
| 10:31:52 | George- | old japanese? |
| 10:32:17 | mark | thats what I said |
| 10:32:51 | George- | what old japanese zaurus? |
| 10:33:14 | mark | one of them |
| 10:33:44 | mark | i dont know them particularly wlel |
| 10:35:01 | mark | there were many i think |
| 10:41:03 | George- | bloody inet cut out |
| 10:41:08 | George- | then my entire system went down |
| 12:14:20 | axp | someone already connect a S25 to a zaurus ? |
| 13:40:54 | W|GGL|T | is back (gone 06:53:16) |
| 14:00:03 | Twiun | ljp_: roughly how much space do you think we'll have left for the java environment? |
| 14:04:54 | ljp_ | if we remove or dont use gnome, we'll have a lot |
| 14:05:35 | ljp_ | you meant on a dev boot cd right ;) |
| 14:07:41 | Twiun | yup |
| 14:08:00 | Twiun | I'm asking because people on the java list are starting to nominate their pet ide |
| 14:08:22 | Twiun | (not really wnat I wanted... I'm partial to vim personally...) |
| 14:11:01 | ljp_ | ya.. I was thinking of including emacs, vi (or vim), mc, kdevelop, and some java thingy |
| 14:11:18 | ljp_ | or two java thingies |
| 14:12:26 | Twiun | Yeah... java thingie-wise, I don't really think the boot cd is an appropriate place for the ide... they can install that themselves on their work machine |
| 14:12:40 | Twiun | can kdevelop do java projects? |
| 14:13:04 | ljp_ | hmm it can edit them for sure.. |
| 14:13:29 | ljp_ | I'd like to make the dev cd as friendly as possible |
| 14:13:48 | Twiun | you want an ide war? |
| 14:13:49 | Twiun | grins |
| 14:13:55 | ljp_ | heheh |
| 14:14:05 | ljp_ | ok.. nothing but emacs, then ;) |
| 14:14:05 | Twiun | otherwise we'll have to bundle quite a few ides |
| 14:14:23 | Twiun | Arrgh... vim/gvim at least, please¬ |
| 14:14:25 | Twiun | ! |
| 14:14:28 | ljp_ | heh- put a desktop link to sed |
| 14:14:34 | Twiun | rofl |
| 14:15:26 | ljp_ | but name it IDE |
| 14:16:00 | ljp_ | is there a java ide for kde 2? |
| 14:17:36 | BigBoss | emacs :) |
| 14:17:47 | ljp_ | heh ahh stepped into that one |
| 14:34:31 | Twiun | ljp_: there's loads of java ides... most done in java themselves... |
| 14:34:50 | Twiun | the first nominations I've had are: eclipse, netbeans and jedit |
| 14:45:01 | Com[Plex] | uh... any idea why I cant rename a folder to "CONTROL" on the Z? it keeps making it lowercase... |
| 14:47:29 | Twiun | Com[Plex]: trying to do it on CF/SD? |
| 15:00:42 | Com[Plex] | yeah, twiun, I figured it out, - I got my SD card formatted to ext2, but my cf is fat, - I thought I was working on the SD for some reason. but wasnt. |
| 15:00:59 | W|GGL|T | heh |
| 15:01:27 | Com[Plex] | anyone used that i ching program? - im rebuilding the ipkg so it will isntall to SD. - right now it wont. |
| 15:01:48 | Twiun | Nope... not really into predicting the future though... |
| 15:01:52 | Com[Plex] | I cant understand why poeople go through all this trouble to write these aopps, and cant follow a simple instruction when building the ipkg |
| 15:02:38 | W|GGL|T | zz is still down |
| 15:02:42 | mark | hmm, wahts the name of the windows toole equivalent to 'dd'? |
| 15:02:53 | mark | i fscked up my Grub boot partition and need to make a boot disk from windows |
| 15:03:15 | Com[Plex] | well, i ching isnt about future, - its called divine through introspection. - basdically, people use thigns like tarot, i ching, runes, etc to help them look into themselves, - you take a fortune, and you read it and you think "does this fit? how ? etc. |
| 15:03:15 | W|GGL|T | format? |
| 15:03:20 | Com[Plex] | whats DD? |
| 15:03:30 | Com[Plex] | format is a windows command, yet |
| 15:03:31 | Com[Plex] | s |
| 15:03:34 | Com[Plex] | so is "fdisk |
| 15:03:48 | W|GGL|T | he wanted windows |
| 15:03:51 | mark | w|GGL|T: no no, there is a tool for writing images to a floppy |
| 15:03:59 | W|GGL|T | in windows? |
| 15:04:17 | roge99 | Mark if your trying to make a boot disk i belive its rawwrite or somthing like that |
| 15:04:17 | mark | well, u can get it for windows |
| 15:04:19 | mark | doesnt come with it |
| 15:04:22 | mark | roge99: thats the one :) |
| 15:04:23 | W|GGL|T | ahh |
| 15:04:25 | Com[Plex] | yeah, from the command prompt |
| 15:04:36 | Com[Plex] | "rawwrite |
| 15:04:50 | Com[Plex] | ahh, beat me to it |
| 15:04:59 | Com[Plex] | stupid vnc makes things laggy |
| 15:06:43 | mark | downloads |
| 15:07:51 | mark | wow, a gui |
| 15:09:20 | Com[Plex] | hehe |
| 15:10:16 | hardwire | oh dear lord |
| 15:10:22 | hardwire | so like.. I am loosing my wireless connection |
| 15:10:25 | Com[Plex] | what is the syntax of the find command on the zaurus? |
| 15:10:31 | hardwire | so I sorta hopped on somebody elses wireless connection |
| 15:10:50 | hardwire | I wanted to know who they were.. so I used ettercap to steal their email stats. |
| 15:11:04 | hardwire | turns out the guy I am stealing cable internet from went to my Highschool |
| 15:11:08 | hardwire | and graduated a year before me |
| 15:11:14 | hardwire | has a masters in computer science |
| 15:11:18 | Com[Plex] | every time I try to use find, I get an error. - |
| 15:11:29 | hardwire | works at HP and a few other places as an intern |
| 15:11:44 | hardwire | and still can't set his WAP at home to something other than hack me default |
| 15:11:46 | hardwire | oh well |
| 15:11:56 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 15:12:08 | W|GGL|T | wasted education...hehe |
| 15:15:47 | hardwire | augh |
| 15:15:47 | Com[Plex] | man, I am SO unhappy with the battery life on this thing. - dont get me wrong, I love my Z, but the battery life on it STINKS |
| 15:15:52 | hardwire | hehe |
| 15:15:57 | hardwire | wriggles around in happy thoughts |
| 15:16:05 | darienm | measured in hours rather than days (like some other handhelds) |
| 15:16:15 | hardwire | I am such a bastard of e neighbor |
| 15:16:35 | hardwire | this guy went to high school with me.. and I am pilfering his connection |
| 15:16:43 | hardwire | what kind of neighbor am I |
| 15:16:46 | W|GGL|T | has no problem with the battery...he just keeps the lighting low |
| 15:16:55 | hardwire | then again.. I could let him have access to the OC/3 for a while |
| 15:16:59 | Com[Plex] | I feel like I cant do any real work on it. sure I can enter some phone numbers and aply a agame or two, but when I start trying to compoile stuff on it, or build packages, or even move files around from SD to CF or back. FOOM, batteries dead |
| 15:17:12 | W|GGL|T | Com[Plex]: you can always return it |
| 15:17:19 | hardwire | Com[Plex] compiling ont he z |
| 15:17:20 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 15:17:20 | hardwire | haha |
| 15:17:25 | hardwire | using 100% of the cpu |
| 15:17:28 | hardwire | non stop |
| 15:17:30 | hardwire | DUH! |
| 15:17:38 | hardwire | smacks Com[Plex] |
| 15:18:11 | Com[Plex] | well no, I really didnt mean compile, I kinda meant compile ppackages, but thats where my train of thought was going. - I dont have it set up for Actual compil\ing. |
| 15:18:34 | Com[Plex] | how muh space does that all take up? if I was going to reallty compile on the z? |
| 15:18:41 | Com[Plex] | [12PIMP] http://me.256k.net/casemod/ZAURUS-MODS/ |
| 15:18:51 | Com[Plex] | I cant return my Z, because it looks like this ^ :> |
| 15:19:47 | Com[Plex] | sides that, its a developers model. and I love it :> |
| 15:21:06 | Com[Plex] | I have 30 nmegs of applications installed on my z. - stuff Ill never use, sure, but, Im just experimenting with how much I can fit on here. I still have almost three megs of internal storage free. |
| 15:21:46 | hardwire | wonders when the guilt will set in |
| 15:21:51 | hardwire | then again.. this dude gets more tail than I do |
| 15:22:10 | hardwire | I should block morpheus and kazaa on his firewall to make sure I have optimal stealing bandwidth |
| 15:22:40 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 15:26:20 | NetAmp | SD's better than MMC, right? |
| 15:26:29 | NetAmp | is there also a lot of difference in speed? |
| 15:27:49 | hardwire | NetAmp SD writes faster in cars going 60 mph |
| 15:27:56 | NetAmp | :D |
| 15:27:57 | hardwire | MMC can only compare at 80mph |
| 15:28:05 | ljp_work | anybody here try Trolltech's teambuilder? |
| 15:28:05 | NetAmp | hehe |
| 15:28:28 | NetAmp | teambuilder? what's that? Some kind of project software? |
| 15:28:59 | ljp_work | its distributed compiling |
| 15:29:11 | NetAmp | oohh sweet ;) |
| 15:29:18 | ljp_work | http://www.trolltech.com/products/teambuilder |
| 15:29:37 | NetAmp | time for some beowulf clustering ;) |
| 15:29:41 | hardwire | could that work with the kernel?! |
| 15:29:47 | NetAmp | heh |
| 15:29:59 | NetAmp | you'd probably need that for the kernel ;) |
| 15:30:15 | NetAmp | Doesn't it take long to compile? |
| 15:30:16 | W|GGL|T | i cant get http://me.256k.net/casemod/ZAURUS-MODS/Startup_screen.bmp to open in any browser |
| 15:30:23 | George- | Com[Plex]: dude, that zaurus looks... different :) |
| 15:30:27 | ljp_work | I suppose you coould do any compile using that |
| 15:30:38 | whardbob | hehe |
| 15:30:41 | whardbob | this is me |
| 15:30:45 | whardbob | stealing somebodies cable |
| 15:30:52 | hardwire | :P |
| 15:30:58 | NetAmp | W|GGL|T: I got it, shall I make a .GIF out of it? |
| 15:31:06 | George- | W|GGL|T: It's a bmp? Does your browser support bmp |
| 15:31:06 | NetAmp | or JPG, PNG, whatever |
| 15:31:14 | ljp_work | cable? your on the playboy channel? |
| 15:31:25 | NetAmp | uses IE6, heh |
| 15:31:36 | NetAmp | (yeah I know, it's almost criminal to do so :P) |
| 15:31:41 | whardier | ljp_work HAHAHA |
| 15:31:43 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 15:32:05 | W|GGL|T | im trying to get nautilus to open it |
| 15:32:11 | W|GGL|T | doh...it won't |
| 15:32:32 | NetAmp | well... the picture just says "Zaurus" |
| 15:32:43 | NetAmp | and below that is "Please wait..." in smaller Arial font |
| 15:33:10 | NetAmp | the background is dark blue with a bright blue stroke in the middle |
| 15:33:18 | whardier | wants to be on the playboy channel |
| 15:33:27 | NetAmp | not really too spectacular to worry about ;) |
| 15:33:35 | W|GGL|T | ok |
| 15:33:36 | W|GGL|T | heh |
| 15:33:36 | NetAmp | though it might look nice on the Z's screen... |
| 15:33:41 | W|GGL|T | thanks |
| 15:33:44 | ljp_work | cruel joke: on the Mandrake 8.2 cd, boot rescue.. the only editor is vi, and it segfaults... *sigh* |
| 15:34:03 | whardbob | hahaha |
| 15:34:05 | BigBoss | mandrake 9.0 is coming out in late august, early september |
| 15:34:06 | whardbob | is fucking crazy |
| 15:34:10 | whardbob | this is awesome |
| 15:34:17 | W|GGL|T | has a Linux Bootable Toolkit |
| 15:34:18 | whardbob | I found a use for the 24dbi grid dish antenna |
| 15:34:35 | whardbob | W|GGL|T try running clumpos mosix bootdisks |
| 15:34:43 | whardbob | and turning all the computers on your lan into ad-hoc mosix nodes |
| 15:34:47 | whardbob | now thats fun |
| 15:35:08 | whardbob | or making linux boot from doze when a screensaver is on |
| 15:35:11 | whardbob | into the mosix nodes |
| 15:35:24 | W|GGL|T | damn |
| 15:35:24 | whardbob | and turning your entire copmany into a super computer at 7:00pm |
| 15:35:35 | whardbob | now thats fun shit |
| 15:35:39 | NetAmp | W|GGL|T: http://www.remz-jay.org/~netamp/zstart1.gif |
| 15:35:42 | ljp_work | just so I can compile the latest opie? |
| 15:35:45 | NetAmp | there ya go... |
| 15:35:50 | whardbob | haha |
| 15:36:10 | ljp_work | still wants 23 second kernel compiles |
| 15:36:19 | W|GGL|T | thx |
| 15:36:24 | whardbob | haha |
| 15:36:26 | whardbob | I do too |
| 15:36:39 | whardbob | god this is funny |
| 15:36:53 | whardbob | has a computer on his deck |
| 15:37:25 | ljp_work | has computers on his desk |
| 15:37:30 | whardbob | hehe |
| 15:37:41 | whardbob | this one is on the deck listening in |
| 15:37:48 | whardbob | I should take a picture |
| 15:37:49 | whardbob | haha |
| 15:38:05 | whardbob | I have this huge antenna pointing at a house |
| 15:38:16 | whardbob | but it is behind my deck walls |
| 15:43:21 | surge | anyone heard of a problem where the digitizer draws random lines when you press lightly. does it mean the screen is dirty? |
| 15:46:16 | darienm | I have not heard that. |
| 16:06:26 | JasonNJ | heya. |
| 16:07:03 | tux_mike | hey |
| 16:14:27 | benmeyer | afternoon everyone |
| 16:14:48 | Twiun | Heya Jason |
| 16:14:50 | ljp_work | hi |
| 16:14:55 | Twiun | Heya Ben |
| 16:26:04 | CloudChaser | hello |
| 16:26:13 | surge | hey Com[Plex], how did you get the case off? |
| 16:26:37 | CloudChaser | does anyone know if the zaurus zone boards will be back up? |
| 16:32:07 | W|GGL|T | is away: I'm busy smoking a blunt or sleeping or something |
| 16:33:32 | Twiun | CloudChaser: best ask Jason |
| 16:34:25 | CloudChaser | if he's here, he'll see the question, i'd guess |
| 16:38:19 | Fatbum | holall |
| 16:41:09 | mark | can anyone give me an image of a grub boot disk? |
| 16:42:27 | barton | What has happened to ZaurusZone? |
| 16:42:44 | darienm | moved the server |
| 16:42:49 | darienm | or.. movING the server |
| 16:43:28 | barton | I see. I just re-registered and it looks like everyone has registered since yesterday (5/4) |
| 16:45:04 | CloudChaser | I re-registered too |
| 16:45:20 | Twiun | ditto |
| 16:45:21 | CloudChaser | i hope the old forums will be available for reference if they are getting new forums |
| 16:45:41 | gecko_x2 | hi |
| 16:45:56 | gecko_x2 | here's one q: |
| 16:45:56 | barton | As of now there is nothing on the forum |
| 16:46:00 | Nasa | you guys can get to the forums? |
| 16:46:08 | gecko_x2 | openzaurus can use SD cards right? |
| 16:46:17 | Nasa | yeah |
| 16:46:31 | gecko_x2 | cause on the sharp site it says the 2.12 rom isn't opensourced? |
| 16:47:13 | gecko_x2 | just spent ~$180 on a 128 mb sd card.. |
| 16:47:43 | BigBoss | ouch |
| 16:47:49 | BigBoss | you should go to newegg.com |
| 16:47:50 | barton | That seems like a lot. I think I saw some for 80 |
| 16:48:00 | gecko_x2 | i'm in finalnd |
| 16:48:03 | gecko_x2 | finland |
| 16:48:12 | Nasa | OZ (like sharp) uses the SD card just like a MMC -- no of the 'special' crap |
| 16:48:23 | barton | They were on buy.com I think |
| 16:48:33 | gecko_x2 | oic.. the "security" part is closed source |
| 16:48:36 | gecko_x2 | good |
| 16:49:02 | gecko_x2 | barton yeah maybe should have ordered.. but i want OZ now! :) |
| 16:49:10 | mark | shit, i've got no way of getting into linux |
| 16:49:23 | Nasa | ?? |
| 16:49:34 | mark | grub wont boot from my hdd |
| 16:49:35 | darienm | I just bought a 128 M SD card for $94 |
| 16:49:41 | darienm | Why did you spend double ? |
| 16:50:04 | darienm | Oh, those aren't $US then ? |
| 16:50:46 | BigBoss | i saw a 320mb CF card for $116 at newegg |
| 16:51:06 | darienm | Or the 1GB microdrive is even an option. |
| 16:51:11 | darienm | If you are truly insane :) |
| 16:52:21 | gecko_x2 | yea 128 mb sd card $99 |
| 16:52:22 | gecko_x2 | :( |
| 16:54:10 | gecko_x2 | so i can flash OZ without a caed reader right?` |
| 16:54:16 | gecko_x2 | card |
| 16:54:29 | [DrEvil] | you need a CF card |
| 16:54:39 | gecko_x2 | what? |
| 16:54:48 | [DrEvil] | you need a CF card to flash OZ |
| 16:54:55 | gecko_x2 | sd no go? |
| 16:55:01 | gecko_x2 | god damn.. |
| 16:55:03 | [DrEvil] | nope |
| 16:55:31 | gecko_x2 | and i can't use the romflash app? |
| 16:55:37 | barton | CF is cheaper and faster. |
| 16:55:51 | [DrEvil] | the Sharp ROM flash app is only for the sharp ROM |
| 16:55:58 | gecko_x2 | FUCK |
| 16:56:01 | [DrEvil] | OZ is installed differently |
| 16:56:39 | [DrEvil] | sharp rolls the initrd.bin and the zimage into one file |
| 16:56:44 | gecko_x2 | well i need the sd anyway.. gonna get a bluetooth CF ard |
| 16:56:58 | [DrEvil] | oz has them as seperate files |
| 16:57:04 | gecko_x2 | but this is gettin expensive :) |
| 16:57:30 | [DrEvil] | I have a 128 meg SD 128 meg CF Buffalo WiFi card |
| 16:57:38 | arnt | why bluetooth? |
| 16:57:39 | [DrEvil] | I am waiting for more robust BT support |
| 16:57:46 | arnt | too has an 802.11 card |
| 16:57:54 | [DrEvil] | Bluetooth is cool |
| 16:58:10 | gecko_x2 | i need a bluetooth link to my gprs cellphone |
| 16:58:18 | [DrEvil] | same here |
| 16:58:21 | [DrEvil] | IrDA sux |
| 16:58:39 | gecko_x2 | i'll let the phone battery take care of the packet radio data stuff |
| 16:58:53 | gecko_x2 | BT takes less power etc.. |
| 16:59:41 | [DrEvil] | and you can hide your cell phone away |
| 16:59:56 | [DrEvil] | and do everything from your PDA |
| 17:00:07 | gecko_x2 | communicating over gsm with only the zaurus battery would be insane |
| 17:00:22 | gecko_x2 | it wouldn't last for many minutes.. |
| 17:00:24 | barton | What phone supports Bluetooth? |
| 17:00:31 | [DrEvil] | Ericsson T68 |
| 17:00:33 | gecko_x2 | many |
| 17:00:37 | arnt | aren't there GSM CF cards? |
| 17:00:46 | gecko_x2 | i need gprs+bt support in the same phone |
| 17:00:52 | barton | In the US? or just overseas? |
| 17:00:54 | gecko_x2 | like the nokia |
| 17:00:55 | [DrEvil] | GPRS is faster than GSM data |
| 17:01:08 | gecko_x2 | gprs is packet based |
| 17:01:15 | gecko_x2 | means it's always on |
| 17:01:26 | gecko_x2 | like a dedicated line to your pocket |
| 17:01:35 | gecko_x2 | 100% coverage in my country :) |
| 17:03:14 | gecko_x2 | oh and flat rate too.. about $20/month .. 20-80kb/sec down, 14k upstream |
| 17:03:43 | warmi | hi |
| 17:03:44 | [DrEvil] | not flat rate here yet |
| 17:05:13 | gecko_x2 | i'm looking forward to ssh'ing over my gprs line :) |
| 17:05:40 | barton | What is gprs? |
| 17:06:08 | gecko_x2 | general packet radio service |
| 17:06:13 | barton | I can get packet based service from Nextel here for $54 |
| 17:06:29 | gecko_x2 | it's a gsm standard for packet based data |
| 17:06:45 | barton | I don't think the US has gsm. |
| 17:06:48 | gecko_x2 | the line is always open.. whenever a data packet needs to get out it's just sent |
| 17:06:52 | [DrEvil] | yes it does |
| 17:06:59 | barton | Oh good |
| 17:07:00 | [DrEvil] | AT&T, Cingular and VoiceStream |
| 17:07:15 | barton | That is probably what Nextel has then |
| 17:07:26 | [DrEvil] | Nextel isn't GSM |
| 17:07:28 | gecko_x2 | US does not have packetbased wireless afaik |
| 17:07:44 | gecko_x2 | nor does us have any single standard |
| 17:07:52 | [DrEvil] | all the GSM carriers in the US are rolling out GPRS |
| 17:07:57 | barton | Nextel has a packet service that is up to 115k |
| 17:08:05 | gecko_x2 | and the fact that the receiver pays the phonecall destroys the whole idea |
| 17:08:35 | [DrEvil] | calling party pays too if they are calling from a cell phone |
| 17:08:46 | gecko_x2 | both pay?? |
| 17:08:57 | [DrEvil] | minutes are minutes |
| 17:09:00 | gecko_x2 | hehe |
| 17:09:17 | gecko_x2 | well that little fact is actually the most restricting one |
| 17:09:30 | gecko_x2 | and the main reason us is years behing asia and europe |
| 17:09:46 | [DrEvil] | I don |
| 17:09:48 | barton | That's for sure! |
| 17:09:48 | gecko_x2 | here it's *always* free to receive a call and msg's |
| 17:09:56 | [DrEvil] | I don't think the calling party pays thing has anything to do with it |
| 17:10:12 | gecko_x2 | [DrEvil] i think it has everything to do with it |
| 17:10:21 | barton | Nextel service I have the incoming calls are free |
| 17:10:43 | gecko_x2 | but *everyone* needs to have the same system |
| 17:10:50 | [DrEvil] | the european networks are government owned |
| 17:10:51 | gecko_x2 | otherwise it just doesn't work |
| 17:11:04 | barton | That's for sure again |
| 17:11:14 | [DrEvil] | the US networks are owned by companies |
| 17:11:18 | [DrEvil] | who do their own thing |
| 17:11:21 | [DrEvil] | that is the problem here |
| 17:11:22 | gecko_x2 | drdevil wrong. they are private |
| 17:11:22 | gecko_x2 | most |
| 17:11:28 | gecko_x2 | yes |
| 17:11:35 | [DrEvil] | they are leased back to the carriers |
| 17:11:51 | gecko_x2 | they need to understand that some things must be done the same nationwide |
| 17:11:58 | gecko_x2 | standards |
| 17:12:02 | [DrEvil] | then there is the FCC |
| 17:12:08 | gecko_x2 | it's as simple as adopting standards |
| 17:12:09 | barton | That's why the us needs regulation! |
| 17:12:11 | [DrEvil] | 900mhz in Europe wont work in the US |
| 17:12:22 | [DrEvil] | that is our cordless phone freq |
| 17:12:25 | [DrEvil] | amongst other things |
| 17:12:41 | [DrEvil] | so now we are rolling out GSM at 1900mhz |
| 17:12:52 | gecko_x2 | there is 1800MHz also in eu |
| 17:12:59 | barton | You can get dual mode phones. |
| 17:13:04 | gecko_x2 | triple |
| 17:13:11 | gecko_x2 | nokia has one |
| 17:13:17 | gecko_x2 | works in most of the world |
| 17:13:18 | [DrEvil] | my Ericsson is tri band |
| 17:13:37 | [DrEvil] | 1900mhz has issues penetrating structures |
| 17:13:48 | barton | The motorola i2000 is at least dual. |
| 17:13:50 | [DrEvil] | the lower freqs work better |
| 17:14:02 | gecko_x2 | i really liked when i was in thailand, i could send sms msg's for the same price to my friends in finland |
| 17:14:10 | gecko_x2 | just like i send in finland |
| 17:14:37 | gecko_x2 | about 20 cents per msg.. works in all of europe and asia :) |
| 17:14:58 | gecko_x2 | and friends could send back.. always the same price |
| 17:15:02 | barton | I guess with Nokia there Finland is pretty advanced. |
| 17:15:23 | gecko_x2 | not as advanced as japan |
| 17:15:25 | gecko_x2 | with imode |
| 17:15:31 | barton | The US is way behind the rest of the world |
| 17:15:46 | gecko_x2 | that's true |
| 17:15:49 | [DrEvil] | AT&T is rolling out mMode |
| 17:15:56 | barton | But our media keeps telling us we are #1 |
| 17:16:01 | gecko_x2 | u need a nationwide standard, and different billing |
| 17:16:30 | gecko_x2 | just like tcp/ip |
| 17:16:36 | gecko_x2 | it's all about the standards |
| 17:16:53 | [DrEvil] | gecko_x2: the billing system has been used in this country for wired phones too |
| 17:17:08 | barton | Maybe as Linux gets bigger here in the US standards will be more activly used. |
| 17:17:15 | gecko_x2 | yep.. i understand it's a old culture |
| 17:17:30 | [DrEvil] | how I am billed doesn't bother me |
| 17:17:49 | [DrEvil] | and it really doesn't bother anyone else |
| 17:18:04 | gecko_x2 | that's just because u haven't experienced it "the right way" yet :P |
| 17:18:17 | [DrEvil] | there is no right way |
| 17:18:41 | barton | Thanks for the chat but I have to go swimming now. Bye! |
| 17:19:14 | gecko_x2 | ye me too bye :P |
| 17:19:25 | [DrEvil] | I just want flat rate GPRS |
| 17:31:36 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 15:17:19) |
| 17:32:54 | gecko_x2 | can i use a really small cheap like 16 mb card to flash OZ? |
| 17:33:05 | gecko_x2 | CF card |
| 17:33:33 | ljp_work | I believe so.. |
| 17:34:06 | gecko_x2 | the image is just under 16 mb :) |
| 17:34:27 | gecko_x2 | cool $23 :) |
| 17:34:32 | gecko_x2 | not too bad |
| 17:34:47 | gecko_x2 | only need it for OZ anyway |
| 17:35:26 | George- | why would you want to use a cf card for OZ? |
| 17:35:30 | ljp_work | just make sure you can get back into the Sharp rom incase OZ is unbootable or you cant use the cf |
| 17:35:34 | George- | Whynot use the flash rom in it instead? |
| 17:36:00 | ljp_work | he wants to install OZ, I believe |
| 17:36:25 | George- | what happens, if you flash your ROM, and it gets corrupt? |
| 17:37:17 | George- | is there a way to reflash the ROM without the Z having to run any software? |
| 17:37:48 | gecko_x2 | yea i need to install.. i'm told i can't do it from a SD card :( |
| 17:38:12 | ljp_work | George: yes, you can reflash the initrd.bin |
| 17:38:18 | gecko_x2 | and about the backup, qtopia desktop backup does backup the apps like nacom right? |
| 17:38:29 | gecko_x2 | nacom=hancom |
| 17:38:39 | ljp_work | OZ doesn't use a rom, per se.. you have to flash initrd.bin and the zImage kernel |
| 17:38:59 | ljp_work | yes, sync does work in OZ |
| 17:40:22 | ljp_work | actually, flashin OZ is safer than flashing the Sharp rom. |
| 17:44:24 | gecko_x2 | and again i do *not* need a usb or pararell card reader&/writer in order to flash OZ? |
| 17:44:43 | gecko_x2 | heh i need to get clear on these .. |
| 17:44:48 | ljp_work | just need cf |
| 17:45:54 | CloudChaser | - |
| 17:46:11 | Com[Plex] | you know of anyone whos bricked there Z's during a bad flash? |
| 17:47:08 | George- | is there say, a h/w option to force booting off a CF? |
| 17:47:12 | warmi | hmm .. somebody modified Puzz-le to accept vexed levels (http://vexed.sourceforge.net/) interesting , 400 new levels |
| 17:47:13 | warmi | heeh |
| 17:47:27 | ljp_work | the only way to really do that, is by flashing a sharp rom, and have it mess up when it flashes the bootloader |
| 17:53:29 | CloudChaser | ah good they posted about the zone forums |
| 17:53:42 | CloudChaser | "migrating old data...please be patient |
| 17:54:07 | warmi | so it is still down ? |
| 17:54:11 | CloudChaser | yes |
| 17:54:32 | warmi | well, hopefully the new server will be a bit faster |
| 17:54:41 | CloudChaser | oh yah |
| 17:54:44 | CloudChaser | hope so |
| 17:59:48 | benmeyer | Has anyone here used the Process class? |
| 18:01:16 | ljp_work | its rather limited |
| 18:01:31 | benmeyer | yup, but still |
| 18:01:42 | benmeyer | I can't seem to get it working correctly |
| 18:01:52 | benmeyer | so I was looking for a code example to look at |
| 18:06:54 | ljp_work | benmeyer: looks like qipkg from qpe cvs uses Process class |
| 18:07:58 | Neo|Work | man TT would never amaze anyone with their speed and on-timedness |
| 18:08:15 | Neo|Work | I hope they do better when it comes to development |
| 18:08:23 | treke | Neo|Work : except their billing department |
| 18:10:38 | Neo|Work | heh |
| 18:51:15 | whardier | time to die peeps! |
| 18:51:31 | tux_mike | whar: are you torturing marshmallow candies again? |
| 18:51:34 | darienm | runs away screaming like a girl |
| 18:52:05 | whardier | haha |
| 18:52:11 | whardier | tux_mike of course I am |
| 18:53:57 | ljp_work | sooo.. where's the mozilla party? |
| 18:54:31 | tux_mike | there's like 3 or 4 in my area |
| 18:55:55 | ljp_work | bbiab |
| 19:04:17 | tux_mike | re ljp |
| 19:04:24 | ljp_work | hello |
| 19:05:18 | ljp_work | maybe we should have world wide Opie parties when we release v1 |
| 19:06:45 | ljp_work | heh there might be one or two people at each party... |
| 19:07:30 | tux_mike | lol :) |
| 19:08:16 | ljp_work | sad, but true |
| 19:09:46 | jmhodges | hey! |
| 19:10:07 | ljp_work | hey what? |
| 19:11:02 | tux_mike | hey roge99 |
| 19:11:35 | ljp_work | cool, I may get to try my new satellite tracking Zaurus today.. ;) |
| 19:12:42 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 19:14:08 | Nasa | Could anyone give me some instructions on how to cross-compile for the z (using mandrake) |
| 19:14:28 | Nasa | I want to compile the lirc package... |
| 19:14:45 | ljp_work | grab the cross compile binaries and sdk from sharps site |
| 19:14:57 | treke | doesnt lirc need kernel modules also? |
| 19:15:14 | tux_mike | yah, afaik |
| 19:15:33 | ljp_work | if so, grab the kernel source code, and apply the patches there also |
| 19:21:17 | Nasa | ljp_work - the kernel source code-- is that for the Z or what I have installed on my system? |
| 19:22:16 | ljp_work | for the z |
| 19:26:09 | [DrEvil] | hmmm |
| 19:26:37 | [DrEvil] | I wonder if tkcPlayer would benefit from a cache file for network mounted filesystems |
| 19:28:33 | Nasa | Ok, got all installed. Now what? Is there a good place to read step by step instructions (for us really slow people) |
| 19:28:41 | warmi | I think it already has that feature .. I remember some people complaining about it getting slow after caching huge network based playlists |
| 19:30:22 | [DrEvil] | it doesn't seem to have one |
| 19:30:49 | [DrEvil] | it still takes 10 minutes to load a list of my MP3s |
| 19:33:01 | warmi | well BB should know |
| 19:33:02 | warmi | :-) |
| 19:33:30 | BigBoss | huh? |
| 19:33:45 | BigBoss | Max is rewriting the play list management right now |
| 19:33:57 | [DrEvil] | are they going to use a cache? |
| 19:33:59 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 19:34:26 | BigBoss | got no idea, this is what he said 30 minutes ago |
| 19:34:27 | BigBoss | i am starting big redesign tkcPlayer playlist engine |
| 19:34:40 | [DrEvil] | oh |
| 19:34:43 | [DrEvil] | that explains it |
| 19:35:00 | ljp_work | playlists- who needs em.. you only listen to one song at a time, right? ;) |
| 19:35:44 | [DrEvil] | no |
| 19:35:48 | [DrEvil] | not in my case |
| 19:36:09 | [DrEvil] | I have a mixer board so I can listen to 4 computers at once |
| 19:36:12 | BigBoss | I just let it play through whatever is there |
| 19:36:27 | warmi | DrEvil: nice hahaah |
| 19:36:38 | [DrEvil] | it works really well |
| 19:36:40 | ljp_work | Dr: yes, but only one Z.. |
| 19:36:42 | [DrEvil] | I can hear all the beeps |
| 19:36:48 | [DrEvil] | no matter what is playing |
| 19:37:26 | [DrEvil] | I could hook the Z up to the mixer |
| 19:37:37 | [DrEvil] | but there is no reason to |
| 19:37:44 | ljp_work | whats really fun is to have several sound cards on a box, and play several songs out of the differening cards.. |
| 19:37:59 | [DrEvil] | too many irqs |
| 19:38:00 | [DrEvil] | heh |
| 19:38:29 | ljp_work | naaa |
| 19:38:34 | Nasa | yeah |
| 19:38:38 | [DrEvil] | I am disappointed that the sound card world has gone to software synths |
| 19:39:13 | [DrEvil] | remembers the day of his Gravis |
| 19:39:16 | [DrEvil] | mmmm |
| 19:39:19 | [DrEvil] | hardware synth |
| 19:40:11 | Nasa | bbl |
| 19:40:26 | jmhodges | what are wrong with these lines? |
| 19:40:28 | jmhodges | $IPTABLES -A FORWARD -i $EXTIF -o $INTIF -m state --state ESTABLISHED,REL$ |
| 19:40:29 | jmhodges | $IPTABLES -A FORWARD -i $INTIF -o $EXTIF -j ACCEPT |
| 19:40:29 | jmhodges | $IPTABLES -A FORWARD -j LOG |
| 19:40:43 | jmhodges | $IPTABLES is just the path to my iptables binary |
| 19:40:51 | jmhodges | im getting these errors |
| 19:40:58 | jmhodges | iptables: No chain/target/match by that name |
| 19:40:58 | jmhodges | iptables: No chain/target/match by that name |
| 19:40:58 | jmhodges | Enabling SNAT (MASQUERADE) functionality on ppp0 |
| 19:42:16 | ljp_work | is this on the Z ;) |
| 19:42:23 | jmhodges | heh no.. |
| 19:42:42 | jmhodges | oh shit.. and EXTIF = ppp0 and INTIF=usb0 |
| 19:42:50 | jmhodges | ljp_work: this is on my pc |
| 19:42:53 | [DrEvil] | did they even compile iptables into the Z kernel? |
| 19:42:55 | jmhodges | :P |
| 19:43:46 | ljp_work | Dr: not on the Z. |
| 19:43:59 | jmhodges | hrm.. |
| 19:44:02 | [DrEvil] | did they compile NFS server into the Z? |
| 19:44:07 | jmhodges | i didnt give you the full line on that first one.. |
| 19:44:30 | jmhodges | ah well.. |
| 19:44:33 | jmhodges | shrugs |
| 19:44:41 | jmhodges | ive got it pinned down to the --state part.. |
| 19:45:42 | [DrEvil] | hrmmm |
| 19:45:45 | [DrEvil] | it happened again |
| 19:45:51 | [DrEvil] | I think my AP is fucked up |
| 19:46:09 | ljp_work | knows more about oak tables than iptables |
| 19:46:37 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 19:46:54 | CloudChaser | grrr |
| 19:47:12 | CloudChaser | stupid synch program keeps changing the address i sync to |
| 19:47:24 | CloudChaser | and giving me message to change my address |
| 19:48:42 | ljp_work | do you have the latest versions? |
| 19:49:02 | CloudChaser | of what? |
| 19:49:16 | ljp_work | sync software- qtopiadesktop or intelsync |
| 19:49:25 | CloudChaser | just the one it came with |
| 19:50:35 | ljp_work | I've heard of that happenin gbefore, not sure what the fix is |
| 19:51:16 | CloudChaser | is there a new qtopia desktop that you know of? |
| 19:51:35 | CloudChaser | i should update my rom but i'm chicken and i don't have a big enough CF |
| 19:51:47 | CloudChaser | and i dont want to lose my data that i do have |
| 19:52:00 | ljp_work | you have a 5500? |
| 19:52:03 | CloudChaser | yes |
| 19:52:41 | CloudChaser | the qtopia back up, does it back up data like...iq notes da? |
| 19:53:01 | CloudChaser | data that is |
| 19:53:18 | ljp_work | qtopiadesktop only syncs addressbook, todo, datebook |
| 19:53:49 | CloudChaser | thats what i thought |
| 19:53:55 | jmhodges | ? |
| 19:53:57 | CloudChaser | so i'll lose all my other data |
| 19:54:10 | jmhodges | but you can back up application and docuents |
| 19:54:18 | CloudChaser | how? |
| 19:54:53 | ljp_work | there's a backup utility on the Z, or you can get a better .. lemme find the url |
| 19:54:55 | jmhodges | using the Backup/Recover fucntion |
| 19:55:02 | jmhodges | on Qtopia Desktop too |
| 19:55:14 | jmhodges | there is a backup thingy on QtDesktop on the PC |
| 19:55:17 | CloudChaser | oh yes, i do that |
| 19:55:17 | jmhodges | :) |
| 19:55:29 | jmhodges | i used it to install my Sharp ROM |
| 19:55:30 | CloudChaser | the one on qtopia |
| 19:55:41 | ljp_work | http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/databackup_1.0_arm.ipk |
| 19:55:41 | jmhodges | OH and i just bought a really cheap CF card! |
| 19:55:48 | CloudChaser | the one on the z asks for CF or SD |
| 19:55:50 | jmhodges | Sam's Club rocks! |
| 19:55:53 | CloudChaser | i ahve 16mb CF |
| 19:56:01 | jmhodges | yeah but on the PC it doesnt |
| 19:56:02 | CloudChaser | i need SD card |
| 19:56:10 | jmhodges | CloudChaser: the one on the PC doesnt care |
| 19:56:16 | CloudChaser | what exactly does it back up on the pc one? |
| 19:56:24 | CloudChaser | and how do i check it? |
| 19:56:28 | jmhodges | CloudChaser: application and document data |
| 19:56:46 | CloudChaser | i want to see it |
| 19:56:51 | CloudChaser | before i risk losing it |
| 19:56:55 | jmhodges | uh.. |
| 19:56:57 | CloudChaser | i want to make sure its all backed up |
| 19:57:08 | jmhodges | dunno about that .. i just used it.. |
| 19:57:12 | CloudChaser | right |
| 19:57:14 | jmhodges | everything got taken care of over here |
| 19:57:23 | jmhodges | i didnt need to do anything else |
| 19:57:26 | CloudChaser | wel does it back up qt notes data? |
| 19:57:40 | CloudChaser | and can i have several backups? |
| 19:57:48 | CloudChaser | or does it just save to same filename? |
| 19:57:54 | CloudChaser | and where does it back up to? |
| 19:58:08 | jmhodges | CloudChaser: dunno.. dude .. im just a newb ;) |
| 19:58:15 | CloudChaser | hehe sorry |
| 19:58:31 | CloudChaser | those are questions people need to know though |
| 19:58:37 | jmhodges | i know.. |
| 19:58:47 | CloudChaser | if we just assume it backs up everything and it doesn't |
| 19:58:52 | CloudChaser | we could lose hours of time |
| 19:58:54 | jmhodges | im only not asking them cause i just got myself a cf card and i cant remember |
| 19:58:58 | jmhodges | CloudChaser: just try it! |
| 19:58:59 | jmhodges | :) |
| 19:59:08 | CloudChaser | i ahve used the back up |
| 19:59:10 | jmhodges | just see what happens when you back it up |
| 19:59:19 | ljp_work | you can backup manually using ftp |
| 19:59:48 | CloudChaser | ah good idea, so i can copy my iq notes xml file to my pc |
| 20:01:07 | ljp_work | you know to use port 4242 for ftp'ing to the Z.. |
| 20:01:43 | CloudChaser | do i have to do something different? |
| 20:02:54 | ljp_work | jusst use port 4242, username root, no password |
| 20:03:19 | Kopsis | CloudChaser: The backup file on CF (or SD) is just a tar file. You can "tar tvf filename" it to see if it contains your IQNotes data. |
| 20:04:49 | ljp_work | its too nice outside.. bbl |
| 20:12:22 | BigBoss | hey rikkus |
| 20:23:52 | NetAmp|away | loves a good Backup :D |
| 20:39:13 | benmeyer | anyone from opie around? |
| 20:39:34 | ljp | yes |
| 20:40:02 | benmeyer | does ipkg.conf get installed in /etc and linked from QTDIR/etc? |
| 20:40:21 | benmeyer | i.e. can I simply open QTDIR/etc/ without having to worry about it breaking in opie? |
| 20:41:39 | ljp | hmm its currently not linked from QTDIR/etc |
| 20:41:51 | benmeyer | And to solve the problem of installing stuff on cf etc without having them show up couldn't se simply modify the cf install point to be /mnt/card/.apps/ |
| 20:41:52 | benmeyer | ? |
| 20:42:01 | benmeyer | IPKG_CONF_DIR=/$QTDIR/etc |
| 20:42:10 | benmeyer | that is what the script in the sharp version uses |
| 20:42:23 | NetAmp | bbl! |
| 20:42:26 | benmeyer | Shale I simply have a #define on the top for Sharp/Opie? |
| 20:43:35 | ljp | shouldnt need to.. let me talk to kergoth, as we are trying to compatibility... more or less. |
| 20:43:45 | benmeyer | ok |
| 20:43:53 | ljp | why not just use etc/ ? |
| 20:43:54 | benmeyer | writing a new package manager |
| 20:44:05 | benmeyer | because the sharp pm doesn''t |
| 20:44:15 | benmeyer | they use /home/Qtpalmtop/etc/ |
| 20:44:31 | benmeyer | thus when you use the real on you can't modify stuff |
| 20:44:36 | benmeyer | and things get wacky |
| 20:45:07 | kergoth | hm? /etc is writable.. or was last time i checked |
| 20:45:21 | kergoth | ljp: no reply yet on specs |
| 20:45:22 | benmeyer | well /etc isn't |
| 20:45:28 | benmeyer | but it is symlinked |
| 20:46:07 | kergoth | /etc isnt writable anymore? last i checked it was linked into the writable mtdram partition |
| 20:46:11 | benmeyer | Can I simply have it use /home/QtPalmtop/etc/ipkg.conf and have opie add a symlink? |
| 20:48:22 | kergoth | /etc -> /home/etc/ .. writable. |
| 20:48:24 | kergoth | hey mspin. hows life |
| 20:48:34 | benmeyer | yah now here is the odd thing |
| 20:48:39 | MSpin | heya kergoth |
| 20:48:45 | MSpin | life is good, but busy |
| 20:48:52 | benmeyer | /etc/ipkg.conf and /home/QtPalmtop/etc/ipkg.conf are different |
| 20:49:03 | MSpin | I'm nearly done with my undergrad edmacation |
| 20:49:05 | benmeyer | i.e. ipkg.conf probably was a symlink, but deleted on the first time |
| 20:50:20 | benmeyer | never mind |
| 20:50:30 | benmeyer | I will simply patch the whole on the Sharp one when I release i5t |
| 20:50:44 | kergoth | ~/roms/1.1x/rootfs/root/home$ ls -l etc/ipkg.conf |
| 20:50:44 | kergoth | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 28 May 9 08:14 etc/ipkg.conf -> /opt/QtPalmtop/etc/ipkg.conf |
| 20:50:44 | kergoth | kergoth@geezer~/roms/1.1x/rootfs/root/home$ |
| 20:51:27 | benmeyer | ln -s /etc/ipkg.conf /home/QtPalmtop/etc/ipkg.conf |
| 20:52:40 | benmeyer | kergoth: is that for opie or the z? |
| 20:52:50 | kergoth | thats directly from the 1.1x rom rootfs. |
| 20:52:53 | kergoth | sharp rom |
| 20:53:31 | benmeyer | yes, but still in opie you don't store it in /home/... |
| 20:53:38 | benmeyer | i.e. I can't open and save to etc |
| 20:53:39 | kergoth | huh? |
| 20:54:09 | benmeyer | if I open the file /etc/ipkg.conf it gets saved in /home/etc/ |
| 20:54:15 | benmeyer | and not /home/QtPalmtop/etc |
| 20:54:21 | kergoth | so? |
| 20:54:42 | benmeyer | so opie doesn't have an /home/QtPalmtop/etc |
| 20:54:51 | benmeyer | but sharp's rom requires it |
| 20:54:53 | benmeyer | never mind |
| 20:54:56 | benmeyer | I fixed it |
| 20:55:05 | kergoth | why does the sharp rom depend on /opt/QtPalmtop/etc? |
| 20:55:05 | benmeyer | too much effort |
| 20:55:13 | benmeyer | the ipkg script does |
| 20:55:14 | kergoth | ah qinstall.. what a hack |
| 20:55:21 | kergoth | shoots lineo |
| 20:55:39 | benmeyer | kergoth: I am almost done with my package installer |
| 20:55:44 | kergoth | nice |
| 20:55:49 | ljp | ducks as the bullet flys through Colorado on its way to Utah |
| 20:55:51 | benmeyer | will finish it up in the morning |
| 20:56:15 | benmeyer | I wanteded something simple to replace the default sharp one and that opie could still use |
| 20:56:24 | ljp | did you start with qipkg? or oipkg? |
| 20:56:30 | benmeyer | doesn't have ipkg-find or all of the goodies, but I don't think it should |
| 20:56:35 | benmeyer | From scratch |
| 20:56:39 | ljp | aa noce |
| 20:56:42 | ljp | nice |
| 20:56:55 | ljp | simple is good |
| 20:57:46 | benmeyer | yah and doing it from scratch was easier anyway sense it is such a simple app |
| 20:59:17 | ljp | kergoth: library/custom-ipaq.h needs to get included for ipaq's.. where do you think the best place for that to happen? |
| 20:59:54 | kergoth | ljp: its already being included .. but custom.h no longer is for a sharp build... i just noticed |
| 20:59:59 | kergoth | i gotta leave. bbl |
| 21:03:38 | ljp | benmeyer: does your installer make symlinks for cf and sd? |
| 21:04:46 | benmeyer | does ipkg? |
| 21:04:48 | benmeyer | I don't |
| 21:38:53 | CloudChaser | - |
| 21:41:46 | Neo|Work | hrm |
| 21:41:55 | jmhodges | yes |
| 21:41:58 | Neo|Work | TT delays are starting to annoy me. Get over with it already! |
| 21:47:57 | Neo|Work | is away: afk |
| 21:49:18 | BigBoss | what are they delayed on now? |
| 21:54:37 | warmi | BB: nobody knows |
| 21:55:01 | warmi | last word was that they were going to make the final annoucment on Monday or so .. in fact it was you who said that, I think |
| 21:55:02 | warmi | heh |
| 21:55:43 | Speedy2 | What announcement? |
| 21:56:36 | warmi | contest |
| 21:57:06 | warmi | http://contest.trolltech.com/ |
| 21:57:31 | BigBoss | ah, well late yesterday the PR firm doing the announcement asked me for information to put in the announcement |
| 21:57:45 | BigBoss | this was after I told Aron early yesterday that I hadn't heard from them yet |
| 21:57:59 | BigBoss | Aron is driving up to Canada currently, left today, so he is out of touch now |
| 21:58:41 | BigBoss | I'm rather surprised it isn't out yet, but maybe they are waiting for Sharp to approve it now |
| 21:59:26 | BigBoss | ok, I really don't get this http://www.handango.com/sharp/PlatformProductDetail.jsp?siteId=423&jid=BE71421ACBX73B7DEXDC23717116BA38&catalog=0§ionId=0&productType=2&platformId=9&productId=31453 |
| 21:59:34 | BigBoss | IBM has this thing listed twice now it looks like |
| 21:59:37 | warmi | yeah, perhaps ... is Sharp involved in this? I haven't seen anything on trolls site mentioning their role |
| 21:59:54 | BigBoss | and you need 256mb ram and 500mb disk space for it |
| 22:00:03 | BigBoss | how the hell are you supposed to use it on the zaurus |
| 22:00:14 | BigBoss | Sharp co-sponsored the contest |
| 22:00:23 | warmi | I think one is hosted on Linux and another on Windoes |
| 22:00:25 | BigBoss | they supplied the hardware part of the prize, maybe the cash too, I don't know |
| 22:01:01 | Speedy2 | Would people here buy a small computer based on StrongARM to do native compiling |
| 22:01:01 | Speedy2 | ? |
| 22:01:43 | warmi | well, I don;t know what would be the point in that .. coding on the road ? |
| 22:01:46 | jmhodges | hm.. |
| 22:02:03 | Speedy2 | warmi: No, I mean a machine with like 128MB of RAM, IDE/SCSI disk drive, etc. |
| 22:02:04 | jmhodges | depends on the sweetness of the app and the optimization involved :P |
| 22:02:15 | warmi | oh you mean like a mini-laptop |
| 22:02:40 | mark | can someone do me a _big_ favour - make a grub floppy with grub-install and send me a dd of it? :) |
| 22:02:57 | Speedy2 | warmi: Well not even, maybe a small computer that sits on desk that one can use for this kind of stuff |
| 22:03:18 | warmi | sort of like that failed arm based linux box from Corel ? |
| 22:03:23 | warmi | was it from Corel ? |
| 22:03:27 | warmi | I don't remember |
| 22:03:27 | Neo|Work | so is tckCalendar good? what exatra features does it have? |
| 22:03:34 | Speedy2 | warmi: Well the Netwinder only failed because they were charging a crazy amount of money |
| 22:03:51 | warmi | yeah, I agree .. it was a great little dev box |
| 22:04:05 | [DrEvil] | anything is better than what Sharp has as a calendar app |
| 22:04:06 | warmi | but it was simply too expansive , especially compared to X86 alternatives |
| 22:04:06 | Speedy2 | warmi: I don't know why they did that, if their development costs were that high or what |
| 22:04:16 | mark | _please_? I can offer, erm, a copy of knights/e in the next few days? :) |
| 22:04:45 | warmi | grub floppy ? what is grub ? |
| 22:05:00 | [DrEvil] | grub is another bootloader |
| 22:05:00 | jmhodges | like lilo cept better :) |
| 22:05:14 | tux_mike | grand unified boot loader. grub actually reads the FS |
| 22:05:22 | Neo|Work | I am starting to use calendar and it has some annoying "features". like how meetings < 1 h are squished so the text don't fit |
| 22:05:30 | Neo|Work | and that I can't have a list of preset locations |
| 22:05:35 | mark | its good. except when u've forgotten to make a boot floppy |
| 22:05:43 | BigBoss | Neo: it makes life worth living to have tkcCalendar |
| 22:05:54 | mark | bigBoss: you would say that :) |
| 22:05:59 | warmi | oh , right .. now I remmber ... I never tried it yet but I think I remember having that option during RH box install |
| 22:06:06 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: does it have those features? |
| 22:06:13 | [DrEvil] | wonders if Franklin Covey will jump on the Z |
| 22:06:15 | [DrEvil] | *gag* |
| 22:06:18 | BigBoss | what features? |
| 22:07:03 | VerxHome | Neo: Yes, I have that problem with tkcCalendar |
| 22:07:21 | Neo|Work | nicer display of odd-hour / short meetings (say a 15:15 to 15:30 one) and ability to have a list of "locations" which either automatically is all previous locations or configurable |
| 22:07:57 | Neo|Work | I.e at work we have conference rooms like 2 SE Central, 2 SW etc. It'd be nice if the location included those and not just "home, work" or whatever is in there now |
| 22:08:27 | mark | neo|Work: i'm planning on implementing that |
| 22:08:34 | mark | in opie |
| 22:08:35 | treke | isnt that already there? |
| 22:08:46 | Neo|Work | also the ability to have a reminder 30 minutes before and then press "snooze" for X minutes would be nice |
| 22:08:48 | mark | if its not been added already |
| 22:08:57 | Neo|Work | treke: i haven't seen a way to edit that list? |
| 22:09:35 | VerxHome | Actually, Shawn, just as an FYI, one of my biggest complaints (currently) about tkcCalendar is that there are NO alarms whatsoever on iPAQ |
| 22:09:44 | treke | being able to edit the list would be good. But I can already write in whatever location I want |
| 22:09:48 | VerxHome | (sound wise) |
| 22:10:15 | Neo|Work | treke: right. what I wanted was automatically growind presets (as I manually enter new locations) or a way to edit the list manually |
| 22:10:32 | Neo|Work | having "home" and "work" isn't useful at all and the point is to save time on input of new meetings |
| 22:10:33 | treke | ah. that would be very nice |
| 22:10:58 | treke | is less than religous about entering locations for meetings |
| 22:11:08 | VerxHome | well, one nice thing about that neo |
| 22:11:23 | Neo|Work | it's nice because otherwise I'd have to start netscape calendar to look |
| 22:11:23 | VerxHome | I sync outlook at work to my ipaq (running tkcCalendar) using intellisync SL |
| 22:11:23 | treke | my biggest problem is remembering that there is one and not where it is :) |
| 22:11:26 | Neo|Work | on windows never the less |
| 22:11:31 | VerxHome | it retains the meeting rooms, which is VERY nice |
| 22:11:40 | VerxHome | I mean, we have so many buildings and floors and meeting rooms at Boeing |
| 22:11:47 | VerxHome | that without that, it would be 100% worthless |
| 22:11:53 | Neo|Work | here there's just one building but quite a lot of rooms |
| 22:12:05 | Neo|Work | and 5 floors too |
| 22:12:32 | Neo|Work | I wish I could actually sync with netscape calendar |
| 22:12:35 | Neo|Work | that'd be nice |
| 22:12:39 | BigBoss | i've been gone a few minutes, let me read the history and reply |
| 22:12:42 | Neo|Work | (which is the company standard) |
| 22:12:45 | Neo|Work | ok |
| 22:12:52 | treke | is the netscape calender still use the corporate time server? |
| 22:13:05 | Neo|Work | it uses a central server |
| 22:13:13 | Neo|Work | don't know what you mean with 'time". ntp? |
| 22:13:34 | treke | Neo|Work : Corporate Time. Name of server software that Netscape licensed at one point |
| 22:13:54 | Neo|Work | oh. That I don't know. server is called something but I don't know what |
| 22:13:59 | Neo|Work | it's something post-netscape |
| 22:14:44 | BigBoss | you can modify the list of locations and categories, add/delete/mod |
| 22:17:16 | Neo|Work | ok. |
| 22:17:19 | Neo|Work | good. :) |
| 22:17:27 | Neo|Work | and I assume it handles short meetings nicely? |
| 22:17:28 | BigBoss | what else? |
| 22:17:43 | BigBoss | Verx: I told you when you called originally that I had no way of knowing if there would be problems on the iPaq |
| 22:17:47 | BigBoss | sorry the alarm doesn't work there |
| 22:17:53 | Neo|Work | what else? short meetings. :P |
| 22:18:09 | VerxHome | Shawn: I realize that |
| 22:18:14 | VerxHome | just a pain not hearing anything |
| 22:19:59 | BigBoss | short meetings - what exactly? |
| 22:21:50 | VerxHome | well |
| 22:21:59 | VerxHome | when the meeting is an hour or less |
| 22:22:04 | VerxHome | the text doesn't display on the line |
| 22:22:14 | VerxHome | makes it kindof a pain to see what is going on |
| 22:22:25 | BigBoss | here's a picture of my car http://www.nnm.ru/pict/audibron.jpg |
| 22:22:48 | VerxHome | rofl |
| 22:22:49 | CloudChaser | hehe nice |
| 22:22:58 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: the builtin calendar behaves as VerxHome explains - if the meeting is say 15 minute it's shown as a small slice with most of the text cut off (height wise) |
| 22:22:58 | VerxHome | the audi 6 wheel drive model eh? |
| 22:22:59 | VerxHome | :) |
| 22:23:20 | VerxHome | Neo: In tkcCalendar, you see NO text for meetings 1 hour or less |
| 22:23:24 | BigBoss | neo: ours does the same, you can tap on it and get a full view |
| 22:23:30 | BigBoss | that isn't correct |
| 22:23:33 | VerxHome | perhaps I should clarify |
| 22:23:38 | BigBoss | I just did a 20 minute meeting and I can see it |
| 22:23:42 | VerxHome | if you have overlap that is |
| 22:23:48 | VerxHome | like if I have a 30 minute meeting |
| 22:23:50 | BigBoss | but the window is scaled within the hour for the time |
| 22:23:52 | VerxHome | and an hour meeting |
| 22:23:59 | VerxHome | and they both start at the same time |
| 22:24:01 | leumas_ | good nigth |
| 22:24:06 | VerxHome | the second one doesn't display any text |
| 22:24:07 | VerxHome | :( |
| 22:25:41 | BigBoss | it wasn't easy to make it work that way :) |
| 22:25:45 | leumas_ | i think buy a zaurus.. but, i don't see any.. anybody can tell me keyboard is comfortable |
| 22:25:48 | leumas_ | ? |
| 22:25:48 | BigBoss | we'll see what we can do |
| 22:26:00 | BigBoss | comfortable for what? |
| 22:26:06 | [DrEvil] | the keyboard is functional |
| 22:26:07 | BigBoss | it is very usable unless you are an NBA player |
| 22:26:09 | leumas_ | BigBoss: typing? |
| 22:26:14 | leumas_ | ajjajaj |
| 22:26:16 | [DrEvil] | it is not something you want to type on all day |
| 22:26:20 | leumas_ | BigBoss: i see |
| 22:26:30 | BigBoss | it's a thumb keyboard |
| 22:26:34 | BigBoss | so it's annoying after a bit |
| 22:26:40 | BigBoss | but very usable |
| 22:26:41 | [DrEvil] | barely a thumb keyboard |
| 22:26:45 | [DrEvil] | more like pinky |
| 22:27:01 | BigBoss | well you hold it in your hands and type with your thumbs |
| 22:27:01 | CloudChaser | yes but vnc works great for when its docked, you can vnc into it and use your pc keyboard |
| 22:27:14 | BigBoss | sometimes I set it down and use my index fingers - which is faster for me |
| 22:27:15 | CloudChaser | i use my thumbs :) |
| 22:27:18 | leumas_ | ummm |
| 22:27:58 | VerxHome | Cloudchaser, I had thought the VNC was for the other direction |
| 22:28:02 | VerxHome | there is a VNC server too? |
| 22:28:11 | leumas_ | how many colsXrows got terminal? |
| 22:28:35 | Neo|Work | VerxHome: yes, there is |
| 22:28:39 | leumas_ | resolution is 320x200, isn'nt? |
| 22:28:44 | Neo|Work | 240x320 |
| 22:28:49 | leumas_ | ok |
| 22:29:15 | CloudChaser | you can use the vnc in both directions |
| 22:29:24 | CloudChaser | i like it to see the z |
| 22:29:36 | CloudChaser | so if i have long notes i can type them with my keyboard |
| 22:29:42 | CloudChaser | also for screenshots |
| 22:29:53 | Neo|Work | smallest font, terminal is 54x38 |
| 22:30:12 | leumas_ | Neo|Work: tranks :-) |
| 22:30:23 | CloudChaser | i found that vnc from z to pc was awkward due to the big screen of the pc |
| 22:30:28 | leumas_ | a very small :-( |
| 22:30:45 | CloudChaser | and you have to retype all the info each time which is a pain |
| 22:31:15 | CloudChaser | but for quick get into main pc from somewhere else i guess it has its uses |
| 22:31:43 | VerxHome | CloudChaser: retype all info? |
| 22:32:14 | CloudChaser | on the vnc client for the z |
| 22:32:21 | leumas_ | what's about autonomy?, batterys got a full day whith PDA in use? |
| 22:32:57 | CloudChaser | when you open it up you have to switch to 8 bit and enter address you want to log into, there's no memory of last selections |
| 22:33:09 | CloudChaser | the z? full day? haha |
| 22:33:26 | BigBoss | 2 or 3 hours |
| 22:33:35 | BigBoss | my titanium laptop has better battery life |
| 22:33:38 | CloudChaser | if you turn it off and on to look up number or calender |
| 22:34:11 | CloudChaser | but there's a nifty battery pack you can get that works with the z |
| 22:34:18 | CloudChaser | i got one and its great |
| 22:34:35 | ljp | my watch has a nice battery life |
| 22:34:40 | CloudChaser | lol |
| 22:34:49 | Speedy2 | Titanium laptop also has a huge battery |
| 22:34:57 | Speedy2 | Though I think the backlight consumes the most power |
| 22:35:29 | VerxHome | actually, my ipaq has AWESOME battery life |
| 22:35:38 | Speedy2 | ANd the Z has a 3.5 Watt-hour cell while iPaq has a 4.2 Watt-hour cell |
| 22:35:40 | VerxHome | I can use it for about 15 - 20 hours if there is light around |
| 22:35:57 | VerxHome | and if I need more, I can just use a single or double slot PCMCIA sleeve to get more battery life |
| 22:36:35 | Speedy2 | Verx: The iPaq's LCD is more readable in same lighting conditions, right? (That's my feeling, just wanted some confirmation) |
| 22:37:10 | ljp | I want a laptop with a solar panel builtin to the case |
| 22:37:18 | CloudChaser | i found the z's better |
| 22:37:18 | CloudChaser | but i only peeked at someone elses' ipac |
| 22:37:22 | CloudChaser | that sounds nice ljp |
| 22:37:25 | Nadav | heh |
| 22:37:42 | Speedy2 | I found the iPaq highly readable under low lighting conditions |
| 22:38:13 | Speedy2 | I haven't tried the 3800, just the 3600 |
| 22:46:26 | Cloud | grrr.. |
| 22:46:56 | Cloud | couldn't connect from pc, kept getting nick in use |
| 23:06:50 | Twiun | Woohoo, finally got dvds playing on my linux box |
| 23:06:55 | Twiun | smiles happily |
| 23:07:10 | CloudChaser | great! |
| 23:07:21 | CloudChaser | i got wine working yesterday and played a game ;) |
| 23:07:35 | Twiun | Which game? |
| 23:07:49 | CloudChaser | next project...getting the z to talk to linux |
| 23:07:58 | CloudChaser | ultima online |
| 23:08:15 | CloudChaser | on a player run server |
| 23:08:21 | Twiun | Hehe |
| 23:08:43 | CloudChaser | going to try some other games |
| 23:08:46 | Speedy2 | Twiun: What software for DVD playing? |
| 23:08:53 | Twiun | So far, I haven't really explored gaming past the quake games on linux |
| 23:09:01 | Twiun | Speedy2: Xine 0.9.10 |
| 23:09:05 | Speedy2 | k |
| 23:10:18 | CloudChaser | there are several that will work with wine, i've read |
| 23:10:52 | Twiun | Yeah, there's also wineX, but I haven't really researched this stuff fully yet |
| 23:11:12 | Twiun | still quite busy with my mapping server project |
| 23:11:50 | darienm | Neo still here? |
| 23:12:14 | SmBJ | hm |
| 23:12:22 | darienm | Saw him asking about adding custom locations to tkcCalendar -- the newest one has that. |
| 23:17:51 | Neo|Work | if feels like I get like 10 minute battery life when I use my CF nic |
| 23:17:55 | Neo|Work | rather sad in either case |
| 23:18:02 | Nadav | lol |
| 23:18:07 | Neo|Work | darienm: ok |
| 23:18:23 | Speedy2 | I think these CF devices suck a LOT of power |
| 23:18:23 | darienm | Neo- the updated posted yesterday has a few new features |
| 23:19:36 | darienm | Neo- you can customize each of the Description and Location lists. |
| 23:20:13 | Neo|Work | Speedy2: still it seems rather bad that you plug it in and then "right away" get out of battery messages. :P |
| 23:20:22 | Neo|Work | but then again, it was rather cheap |
| 23:20:30 | Neo|Work | need to get some external battery packs |
| 23:24:28 | Speedy2 | What brand CF card were you using? |
| 23:25:27 | Neo|Work | hawking |
| 23:26:56 | Neo|Work | is away: mtg |
| 23:51:10 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 00:24:14) |
