| 00:01:00 | MSpin | kergoth: do you know what wireless card jason is using? |
| 00:07:25 | benmeyer | DLink |
| 00:07:29 | benmeyer | Buffalo is good |
| 00:07:31 | kergoth | roge99: got it, trying to figure it out... |
| 00:07:36 | kergoth | roge99: heh |
| 00:07:39 | benmeyer | LinkSys is good too |
| 00:08:49 | benmeyer | Buffalo is the smallest |
| 00:08:57 | benmeyer | $109 |
| 00:09:58 | kergoth | buffalo? ah jason pointed out the url to that one. that prism 2.5? |
| 00:10:45 | kergoth | roge99: what options are you using in wlan-ng.opts? |
| 00:11:09 | benmeyer | yup |
| 00:11:25 | roge99 | i didnt edit it yet |
| 00:11:26 | kergoth | ah nice. i should pick one up |
| 00:11:44 | kergoth | roge99: hmm k.. i'd edit it as appropriate for your AP |
| 00:12:09 | roge99 | yea i was going too |
| 00:12:14 | roge99 | didnt get to it yet |
| 00:12:56 | kergoth | k, keep me posted |
| 00:13:04 | kergoth | i wonder what particular set of options is causing the bus error |
| 00:13:23 | kergoth | I'd like to find the source of it in the wlanctl code, but I'd like to have SOME idea where in the code to look ... hehe |
| 00:13:24 | roge99 | its in the wlan-error file i sent you |
| 00:13:37 | kergoth | k |
| 00:16:04 | kergoth | I think Im going to load windows back on this box. I feel like gaming, and winex 2.0 wont run some of the games *grumble* |
| 00:19:42 | kergoth | quiet chan tonight |
| 00:19:52 | Gepeto | Heyayaya |
| 00:20:50 | kergoth | hey |
| 00:23:23 | Gepeto | I finally updated my rom woohoo |
| 00:26:51 | jay | anyone using the zaurus on SuSE 7.3 |
| 00:27:14 | Gepeto | jay: I use gentoo... |
| 00:27:34 | jay | im trying to create usb0 for this blasted thing |
| 00:27:39 | jay | aaaaaaaa!!!! |
| 00:28:06 | Gepeto | ok |
| 00:28:11 | Gepeto | maybe I can help you |
| 00:28:19 | Gepeto | is it a 5000 ? |
| 00:28:23 | jay | 5500 |
| 00:28:30 | Gepeto | ok, else I would've said upgrade the rom :) |
| 00:28:41 | Gepeto | what happens if you do |
| 00:28:42 | Gepeto | ifconfig usb0 192.168.129.200 netmask 255.255.255.255 up |
| 00:28:42 | Gepeto | route add -host 192.168.129.201 usb0 |
| 00:28:59 | Gepeto | then can you ping 192.168.129.201 ? |
| 00:29:01 | jay | ifconfig usb0 192.168.129.200 netmask 255.255.255.255 |
| 00:29:01 | jay | SIOCSIFADDR: No such device |
| 00:29:01 | jay | usb0: unknown interface: No such device |
| 00:29:21 | kergoth | jay: did you patch your kernel source and build it? then load the usbdnet module? |
| 00:29:31 | jay | yep |
| 00:29:32 | jay | usbdnet.c: v0.4b sl@lineo.com, tbr@lineo.com |
| 00:29:33 | jay | usbdnet.c: USB Host to Device Network - for Linux USB Devices using MDLM/CDC |
| 00:29:33 | jay | usb.c: registered new driver usbdnet |
| 00:29:34 | Gepeto | jay: did you press the sync button before doing that? if I don't it says that |
| 00:29:42 | Gepeto | jay: press the sync button and trie again |
| 00:30:14 | jay | nope no good |
| 00:30:28 | Gepeto | remove the Z from the cradle |
| 00:30:34 | Gepeto | tail -f /var/log/messages |
| 00:30:42 | Gepeto | put it in cradle, press sync, any messages? |
| 00:31:21 | jay | Apr 23 20:32:52 linux modprobe: Note: /etc/modules.conf is more recent than /lib |
| 00:31:21 | jay | Apr 23 20:32:52 linux modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module usb0 |
| 00:31:31 | kergoth | jay: depmod -a |
| 00:32:00 | jay | ok now what |
| 00:32:08 | Gepeto | usb0 isn't a modle |
| 00:32:11 | kergoth | unplug the Z and plug it back in.. or press sync |
| 00:32:34 | kergoth | Gepeto: hehe. indeed |
| 00:32:46 | Gepeto | kergoth: I just got USB working...now how do I sync with qtopiadesktop ? |
| 00:32:46 | kergoth | jay: are you using hotplug? |
| 00:32:57 | jay | no |
| 00:32:59 | kergoth | Gepeto: run it? its fairly simple to operate |
| 00:33:03 | Gepeto | kergoth: it runs |
| 00:33:07 | Gepeto | the sync is grayed out |
| 00:33:15 | jay | just started to try and get this running |
| 00:33:17 | kergoth | Gepeto: hmm.. it isnt on mine.. weird |
| 00:33:20 | Gepeto | even though in the prefs I have the correct IP and it's set to USB |
| 00:33:21 | jay | no idea what to do on here |
| 00:33:25 | Gepeto | a friend of mine has the same problem :| |
| 00:33:35 | kergoth | bbiaf, i'm switching back from linux to windows for gaming reasons, somebody shoot me |
| 00:33:48 | treke_ | shoots kergoth |
| 00:33:52 | kergoth | treke_: thanks |
| 00:33:52 | Gepeto | shoots kergoth |
| 00:34:57 | jay | cant sync aaaaaaaaahhhh |
| 00:35:01 | jay | this sucks |
| 00:35:22 | Gepeto | jay: it's your fault if you cant :) |
| 00:35:27 | jay | i know |
| 00:35:29 | jay | :( |
| 00:35:35 | Gepeto | Which makes it suck even more eh |
| 00:35:49 | Gepeto | when something doesn't work cause it's stupid and broken it's a bit easier to say "fuck it" |
| 00:36:12 | Gepeto | so anyways jay , my connection works, but I can't sync either |
| 00:36:17 | Gepeto | at least I can use ftp to transfer stuff |
| 00:36:28 | scanline | is away: building a space invaders game with logic gates |
| 00:36:36 | jay | how do i create usb0 tho |
| 00:37:02 | Gepeto | ifconfig usb0 192.168.129.200 netmask 255.255.255.255 up |
| 00:37:25 | jay | that brings up the usb0 but it dont even exist here |
| 00:37:34 | Gepeto | so? |
| 00:37:37 | Gepeto | when eth0 isn't up |
| 00:37:43 | Gepeto | it doesn't "exist" |
| 00:37:51 | jay | i mean its not even in dev |
| 00:37:55 | jay | eth0 is |
| 00:38:13 | Gepeto | if you do ifconfig -a it shows all interfaces that are possible to make up |
| 00:38:21 | Gepeto | ifconfig -a | grep usb -c |
| 00:38:22 | Gepeto | :) |
| 00:38:37 | jay | linux:/dev # ifconfig -a | grep usb -c |
| 00:38:37 | jay | 0 |
| 00:38:37 | jay | linux:/dev # |
| 00:38:44 | Gepeto | put zaurus in cradle |
| 00:38:45 | Gepeto | press sync |
| 00:38:47 | Gepeto | run it again |
| 00:38:56 | jay | 0 |
| 00:38:58 | Gepeto | ok |
| 00:39:00 | Gepeto | module problem |
| 00:40:07 | jay | what do i need for USBD Network Class and SubClass |
| 00:40:12 | jay | in kernel config |
| 00:40:36 | Gepeto | I just did what is in the ethernet over usb howto |
| 00:40:39 | Gepeto | didn't touch the rest |
| 00:40:43 | Gepeto | everything works fine |
| 00:41:23 | jay | going to howto now |
| 00:41:31 | Gepeto | you hadn't read it yet? |
| 00:42:19 | jay | yes |
| 00:42:33 | jay | but when i read it i was running mandrake |
| 00:42:42 | Gepeto | ok |
| 00:42:44 | jay | i fucked that up and now came to suse |
| 00:42:53 | jay | and now i cant get it to run at all |
| 00:47:29 | jay | ah screw it |
| 00:47:33 | jay | will try it later |
| 00:48:49 | Gepeto | is there a way to tell the zaurus to never turn off when in Cradle? |
| 00:51:45 | shoe | that's a good question |
| 00:51:53 | shoe | I wish I could get mine not to turn off |
| 00:53:18 | | faq is at http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/ or at http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/handhelds-faq.html |
| 00:53:18 | shoe | ibot faq |
| 00:53:32 | Gepeto | shoe: maybe it's in Opie-light ? |
| 00:55:26 | sanity | has anyone investigated "Waba" as a free replacement for the jvm on the Zaurus? |
| 00:56:44 | shoe | what's wrong with Jeode? |
| 00:58:15 | sanity | it is closed source |
| 01:01:22 | ljp_studio | the Z should not turn off in the cradle if you have it plugged in to the power source |
| 01:01:31 | Gepeto | ljp_studio: it does |
| 01:01:34 | Gepeto | it's a 5000 btw |
| 01:01:46 | ljp_studio | hmmm I have two 5000d that dont |
| 01:01:51 | Gepeto | well mine does |
| 01:01:56 | Gepeto | 1.13 |
| 01:02:11 | ljp_studio | is the charge light on? |
| 01:02:16 | Gepeto | yes |
| 01:02:41 | ljp_studio | and both the usb and power are plugged in? |
| 01:02:49 | Gepeto | yep |
| 01:03:22 | ljp_studio | and it goes into suspend.. |
| 01:03:47 | ljp_studio | or the frontlight just shuts off |
| 01:03:54 | Gepeto | well the frontlight goes off first |
| 01:03:57 | Gepeto | but then it turns off |
| 01:04:07 | Gepeto | after my Suspend after X second setting |
| 01:04:30 | ljp_studio | hmmm odd |
| 01:05:04 | ljp_studio | I've left my on th ecradle overnight to charge up and when I wake up its still not suspended |
| 01:05:43 | Gepeto | :( |
| 01:05:45 | Gepeto | weirdorz |
| 01:06:50 | Gepeto | so, I need software suggestions :) cool apps and games |
| 01:07:02 | Gepeto | installed TimeSleuth, this is cool, nice reports |
| 01:07:06 | treke_ | iqnotes |
| 01:07:12 | Gepeto | treke_: what's taht? |
| 01:07:28 | treke_ | Gepeto : kind of a structured note thingamabobber |
| 01:07:46 | Gepeto | ahhh |
| 01:07:51 | Gepeto | searchs on zauruszoen |
| 01:07:53 | treke_ | http://iqnotes.kybu.sk |
| 01:08:09 | shoe | ljp: mine turns off too |
| 01:08:18 | shoe | as if it weren't in the cradle |
| 01:08:25 | Gepeto | treke_: nice |
| 01:08:35 | treke_ | It does text notes, graphical notes, and some other type. Organzed hierachly |
| 01:08:47 | ljp_studio | thinks life is good-> pizza, rum and coke, and an emacs full of source code... |
| 01:09:04 | ljp_studio | hmm yours also? what have you guys installed? |
| 01:09:12 | shoe | vnc |
| 01:09:14 | shoe | that's it |
| 01:09:16 | Gepeto | ljp_studio: 1.12 right now |
| 01:09:18 | Gepeto | hmm |
| 01:09:26 | Gepeto | I have Today, Opie datebook opie address |
| 01:09:28 | Gepeto | Zsafe, zic |
| 01:09:33 | ljp_studio | Gepeto: do you have vns installed? |
| 01:09:34 | Gepeto | Stategic assault demo |
| 01:09:42 | Gepeto | Timesleuth |
| 01:09:43 | ljp_studio | vnc |
| 01:09:45 | Gepeto | no no vnc |
| 01:09:50 | shoe | maybe there' |
| 01:09:54 | shoe | maybe there's a setting |
| 01:10:21 | ljp_studio | no it shouldnt be shutting off on the cradle if the power cord is hooked up |
| 01:11:19 | KumaSan | anyone have a linksys WFC11 working with the Zaurus? |
| 01:11:42 | roge99 | KumaSan: yep |
| 01:11:51 | shoe | weird |
| 01:11:58 | KumaSan | roge99: did you have to tinker with it? or did it just work? |
| 01:12:23 | roge99 | works *out the box* on the newer sharp roms |
| 01:12:27 | treke_ | Gepeto : KGrok also looks cool. Its a portable database app. |
| 01:12:55 | KumaSan | roge99: I have one, but the thing ain't working yet, tries to load the module prism2, but fails due to a "Nexttuple failure, it's probably a Vcc mismatch" |
| 01:13:05 | Gepeto | treke_: cool, but I don't need that at all... |
| 01:13:19 | roge99 | hmmmm |
| 01:13:27 | roge99 | did you get it at java one |
| 01:14:07 | KumaSan | roge99: no, new SL5500, new WFC11 card |
| 01:14:21 | shoe | has anyone found any screen protectors that fit the Z? |
| 01:14:29 | roge99 | i think they changed something in the newer cards |
| 01:14:41 | KumaSan | shoe: the ones for the IPaq can be trimmed to fit |
| 01:14:55 | KumaSan | roge99: newer wfc11? or newer Z? |
| 01:14:58 | shoe | kumaSan: trimming is no fun |
| 01:15:05 | roge99 | wfc11 |
| 01:15:09 | shoe | get em all fingerprinty |
| 01:15:37 | KumaSan | shoe: nope. But I don't like them protectors anyway. The are damn near impossible to get on smooth for me. |
| 01:16:00 | KumaSan | shoe: why put glue on them? they'll stick well without it. |
| 01:16:09 | KumaSan | shoe: that's what I want to know |
| 01:16:14 | shoe | KumaSan: I've never used them... but I've read that you *will* get scratches if you don't use em |
| 01:16:43 | roge99 | KumaSan: i remember somthing about a newer module for the wcf11 cards |
| 01:16:43 | KumaSan | roge99: hmm, any idea what changed? any workarounds? or should I take this thing back and get adlink dc650? |
| 01:16:47 | shoe | KumaSan: I've read reviews from people that swear by them |
| 01:17:03 | roge99 | the card works great |
| 01:17:16 | KumaSan | shoe: yeah, I am searching for a nice piece of clear vinyl, that will probably work well |
| 01:17:23 | KumaSan | roge99: for you :) |
| 01:17:41 | shoe | kumaSan: and you'll just stick it right on there? I wonder if that would bug me |
| 01:17:51 | KumaSan | roge99: I'll check around for new module. Any idea what it would be called? |
| 01:18:05 | KumaSan | shoe: why? it's just like the protectors, only without the glue. |
| 01:18:35 | roge99 | KumaSan: its on zauruszone |
| 01:18:38 | shoe | KumaSan: I'm not so sure the protectors won't bother me either... I didn't realize there was glue involved... how does that work? |
| 01:18:57 | KumaSan | roge99: thanks |
| 01:18:58 | roge99 | http://www.zauruszone.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi?s=3cc608846ee2ffff;act=ST;f=14;t=14 |
| 01:19:28 | KumaSan | shoe: it's some glue that doesn't leave residue, but it makes it damn near impossible to fit the protector right |
| 01:19:33 | KumaSan | roge99: thanks |
| 01:19:59 | shoe | omg... I just ordered one of those cases designed for the Zaurus from that japanese site... they sent me a confirmation email in Japanese... THAT HELPS |
| 01:20:03 | shoe | this is a shady deal |
| 01:20:06 | shoe | I'll never get my case |
| 01:20:07 | shoe | heh |
| 01:22:08 | KumaSan | roge99: uh-oh, this thing requires me to flash my Z, I haven't done that before. Will I lose anything? |
| 01:22:24 | shoe | Kuma: everything... do a sync or a backup real quick |
| 01:24:01 | KumaSan | shoe: so if I backup first, then flash, then restore, all will be well? |
| 01:26:06 | shoe | Kuma: yup |
| 01:26:17 | shoe | you have to reinstall your apps, though |
| 01:26:20 | shoe | (which sucks) |
| 01:26:39 | Gepeto | shoe: ? |
| 01:26:43 | Gepeto | you cant do a real full backup? |
| 01:27:09 | shoe | well, I'm no expert, but I always have to reinstall any custom apps |
| 01:27:21 | whardier | kicks shoe |
| 01:27:21 | Gepeto | but how did you backup? |
| 01:27:36 | shoe | sync to QtopiaDesktop |
| 01:27:40 | Gepeto | ah |
| 01:27:41 | Gepeto | ftp to it |
| 01:27:44 | Gepeto | retrieve everything :) |
| 01:27:48 | shoe | does that work? |
| 01:27:56 | Gepeto | ftp on port 4242 open by default |
| 01:28:00 | shoe | well |
| 01:28:02 | Gepeto | try it you'll see :) |
| 01:28:07 | shoe | you still have to install the apps, right? |
| 01:28:15 | Gepeto | Why would you? |
| 01:28:16 | shoe | you can save the ipkg files |
| 01:28:18 | Gepeto | if you copy everything |
| 01:28:27 | shoe | yeah, I guess that makes sense |
| 01:28:31 | shoe | weird, never thought of it |
| 01:28:33 | Gepeto | if you copy everything there's no reason you'll need to reinstall... |
| 01:28:39 | shoe | kicks herself |
| 01:28:43 | Gepeto | well maybe you learned something :) |
| 01:28:45 | Neo|Work | is away: headin' home |
| 01:29:07 | druiid | blahs and flashes to the newest version of OZ |
| 01:29:10 | druiid | kergoth: you around? |
| 01:29:12 | shoe | as soon as openzaurus 3.0 is stable, I'll give it a try |
| 01:29:17 | Gepeto | me too |
| 01:29:24 | shoe | still waiting, though :) |
| 01:29:31 | Gepeto | shoe: hmm there is tar and gzip on the Z, so you could even zip everything before ftp |
| 01:29:32 | shoe | kicks kergoth |
| 01:29:38 | Gepeto | if you have space on a card or something |
| 01:29:55 | KumaSan | so I do a backup, then copy the patch (unzipped) to a blank CF, then flash and that will apply the patch? does that mean that if I reset the Z I have to do this again? |
| 01:29:57 | shoe | yeah, I've got a 64 SD and 128 CF |
| 01:30:13 | Gepeto | shoe: there's a backup app too did you eve try it ? |
| 01:30:14 | shoe | should be enough :P |
| 01:30:23 | Gepeto | KumaSan: back, put RomImage on card root |
| 01:30:24 | Gepeto | flash |
| 01:30:25 | shoe | Gepeto: no, I can't believe it myself :P |
| 01:30:28 | Gepeto | it'll be patched to the rom |
| 01:30:33 | Gepeto | wont be deleted after a reset |
| 01:30:47 | Gepeto | shoe: 64mb SD and 128mb CF is probably what I'm gonna get this weekend |
| 01:30:47 | KumaSan | Gepeto: this is a patch from zauruszone for WFC11 cards |
| 01:31:18 | Gepeto | ohh well is it applied like Roms? |
| 01:32:34 | KumaSan | Gepeto: that's what the page with the patch says, flash the Z, I don't want to turn my Z into a brick :) |
| 01:33:19 | shoe | Gepeto: I'm almost regretting the 128 CF... 64 may have been enough |
| 01:33:28 | shoe | Gepeto: seeings how I use the WLAN card in the CF slot most of the time |
| 01:33:42 | Gepeto | shoe: Nah I want room to backup and store pr0..err..pr0t scanners...or something? :) |
| 01:34:17 | KumaSan | shoe: it's never enough... :) |
| 01:34:22 | shoe | I suppose :) |
| 01:34:42 | KumaSan | Gepeto: does the CF card have to be blank other than the kernel to be flashed? |
| 01:34:53 | Gepeto | KumaSan: the instructions say so |
| 01:34:58 | Gepeto | so that's what I did for my rom |
| 01:35:06 | Gepeto | but I guess it isn't really so important buttttt |
| 01:35:15 | Gepeto | I'm not responsible for creation of bricks :) |
| 01:35:49 | shoe | haha |
| 01:36:21 | KumaSan | Gepeto: well, better safe than sorry :) |
| 01:36:27 | shoe | is there a plan for disaster recovery on the Z? some sort of boot floppy equivelent? |
| 01:36:42 | Gepeto | shoe: you have to try to reflash |
| 01:36:51 | shoe | what if it won't boot |
| 01:36:52 | shoe | ? |
| 01:36:55 | Gepeto | if the "boot sector" is ok, which it would probably be, you'll be able to flash a new rom |
| 01:36:58 | Gepeto | if not. |
| 01:36:59 | shoe | ok |
| 01:37:00 | Gepeto | well |
| 01:37:02 | shoe | brick? :) |
| 01:37:04 | Gepeto | I guess you have to send it to sharp :) |
| 01:37:07 | Gepeto | OR, brick |
| 01:37:13 | shoe | hehe |
| 01:40:01 | KumaSan | ok, I am ready to flash, no SD card in, AC power hooked up, backup made, CF card in with zImage as only file on root of card (only file period. ) now what was the flash procedure? |
| 01:40:28 | Gepeto | remove battery cover |
| 01:40:36 | Gepeto | let the switch at change battery |
| 01:40:40 | Gepeto | hold c and d on the keyboard |
| 01:40:43 | Gepeto | press the reset button |
| 01:40:48 | Gepeto | two leds should light up |
| 01:40:50 | Gepeto | wait 3 minutes |
| 01:41:02 | KumaSan | sounds like I need three hands |
| 01:41:04 | Gepeto | when led is off, replace battery cover |
| 01:41:11 | Gepeto | yeah hehe |
| 01:41:16 | shoe | hehe |
| 01:41:38 | roge99 | KumaSan: if you hit other keys besides the c and d it dosent matter |
| 01:41:57 | roge99 | as long as the c and d are depressed it will work |
| 01:42:09 | KumaSan | um, where's the reset button? |
| 01:42:27 | Gepeto | behind the cover |
| 01:42:29 | Gepeto | on the bottom |
| 01:42:33 | roge99 | inside the battery compartment |
| 01:42:34 | Gepeto | theres a little square button |
| 01:42:46 | KumaSan | ah, little squarish thing |
| 01:42:49 | roge99 | yep |
| 01:43:22 | KumaSan | ok, leds are lit, now they went off... |
| 01:43:51 | roge99 | is the card formatted fat 16 |
| 01:43:55 | Gepeto | good |
| 01:43:56 | KumaSan | waiting three mins |
| 01:44:01 | shoe | ... |
| 01:44:02 | Gepeto | uh? |
| 01:44:07 | Gepeto | led was supposed to be ON for 3 minutes |
| 01:44:12 | KumaSan | roge99: straight as it was from the box when I bought it |
| 01:44:13 | roge99 | KumaSan: did they go on then right off |
| 01:44:24 | KumaSan | roge99: about 10sec on |
| 01:44:27 | roge99 | no good |
| 01:44:33 | KumaSan | roge99: ulp |
| 01:44:34 | roge99 | check the card |
| 01:44:51 | roge99 | was it a zImage file or romimage |
| 01:45:13 | KumaSan | roge99: zImage |
| 01:45:16 | roge99 | hmmm |
| 01:45:19 | roge99 | thats just kernel |
| 01:45:20 | Gepeto | oh so maybe it was just a patch |
| 01:45:28 | roge99 | it may have gone |
| 01:45:29 | KumaSan | roge99: only 800k,. so quick maybe? |
| 01:45:32 | Gepeto | yeah |
| 01:45:39 | Gepeto | you can try to turn it on if led went off |
| 01:45:47 | roge99 | do a full reset first |
| 01:45:53 | Gepeto | Yeah |
| 01:45:55 | roge99 | hit the reset button by itself |
| 01:46:38 | KumaSan | roge99: ok, did that, now the charger light is on |
| 01:46:45 | KumaSan | charger is hooked up |
| 01:46:50 | roge99 | right |
| 01:47:15 | roge99 | put the cover back on and flick the switch to run mode |
| 01:47:16 | KumaSan | powers up (anxiously waiting") |
| 01:47:19 | roge99 | and fire it up |
| 01:48:46 | KumaSan | roge99: ok, it's working, now to restore |
| 01:49:16 | roge99 | wlan working ? |
| 01:49:33 | shoe | yay! |
| 01:49:36 | KumaSan | roge99: don't know yet, restoreing from backup first |
| 01:49:37 | shoe | jumps up and down |
| 01:49:42 | KumaSan | :) |
| 01:50:06 | Gepeto | well MONTREAL WON |
| 01:50:07 | Gepeto | BAM |
| 01:50:33 | KumaSan | looks like the backup also backs up the apps yay! |
| 01:50:40 | roge99 | yep |
| 01:51:35 | KumaSan | woohoo! looks like the card is at least partially working. Flashing leds and such |
| 01:51:46 | Gepeto | KumaSan: NICE :) |
| 01:51:49 | roge99 | there ya go |
| 01:53:12 | shoe | does a cartwheel |
| 01:54:16 | KumaSan | now to figure out how to set up the wireless on the laptop :) |
| 01:59:37 | | faq is, like, at http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/ or at http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/handhelds-faq.html |
| 01:59:37 | jay | ibot faq |
| 02:04:17 | Gepeto | yeehaw |
| 02:04:20 | Gepeto | Desktop now syncs |
| 02:04:23 | Gepeto | for no apparent reason |
| 02:04:27 | Gepeto | started it again and BAM :) |
| 02:06:12 | Gepeto | hah, now no good |
| 02:07:16 | Gepeto | weird :| |
| 02:08:16 | shoe | haha |
| 02:08:29 | jay | :| |
| 02:09:04 | shoe | anybody grab the latest openzaurus ROM? how stable is it these days? |
| 02:09:25 | KumaSan | Gepeto: cool! |
| 02:10:51 | Gepeto | KumaSan: it stopped working though so not cool :) |
| 02:11:47 | Gepeto | hmm can I make my own categories in the opie launcher? (I think there is one) |
| 02:12:34 | KumaSan | Gepeto: what uhci module are you using? try the other one, That's what I had to do |
| 02:13:02 | druiid | scratches his head |
| 02:13:10 | Gepeto | sync dammit!? |
| 02:13:16 | Gepeto | KumaSan: hmm well the connection is ok |
| 02:13:18 | Gepeto | now it works :| |
| 02:13:19 | druiid | I must be doing something wrong.. iwconfig keeps saying no wireless extensions installed. |
| 02:13:22 | jay | better than u Gepeto |
| 02:13:26 | Gepeto | it's just a problem with the Desktop |
| 02:13:27 | jay | work dammit!!! |
| 02:13:44 | KumaSan | druiid: what card? |
| 02:13:46 | Gepeto | well now it syncs |
| 02:13:52 | druiid | kumasan: linksys. |
| 02:16:10 | KumaSan | druiid: is this in the Z or a PCMCIA card? |
| 02:17:20 | druiid | Z |
| 02:17:58 | KumaSan | druiid: hm, can't be of much help there. ) |
| 02:21:09 | druiid | well, maybe I'm doing something wrong in general.. to double-check, which files under /etc/pcmcia will need to be edited.. that have anything to do with the wireless configs.. I'll be getting IP from dhcp. |
| 02:26:44 | jay | PalmtopConnection::QCopConnectionError attempting to connect ppp <--- what is this now |
| 02:26:54 | jay | i finally get usb0 configured |
| 02:26:56 | jay | and now this |
| 02:32:50 | jay | anyone |
| 02:32:53 | jay | know |
| 02:33:42 | KumaSan | is away: I'm busy |
| 02:38:38 | druiid | so... anyone gotten wireless working with OZ yet? |
| 02:42:59 | BigBoss | not last time i tried |
| 02:43:16 | druiid | hmm.. I'm wondering if I'm doing something wrong.. |
| 02:43:51 | druiid | I insmod the 80211 module.. then the prism2_cs module, but it sits un-used.. even though the linksys card is plugged in. |
| 02:44:24 | roge99 | druiid: what card do you have |
| 02:44:40 | druiid | the linksys.... the only linksys CF card.. the WCF11 :) |
| 02:45:04 | roge99 | add this to /etc/pcmcia/wlan-ng.conf |
| 02:45:08 | roge99 | card "Linksys WCF11 11Mbps 802.11b WLAN Card" |
| 02:45:08 | roge99 | manfid 0x0274, 0x3301 |
| 02:45:08 | roge99 | bind "prism2_cs" |
| 02:45:27 | roge99 | and restart pcmcia services |
| 02:46:03 | roge99 | do you have the newer wcf11 ( rev2 ) card |
| 02:46:28 | druiid | it doesn't say it is on the back.. but dunno |
| 02:46:36 | roge99 | when did you get it |
| 02:47:15 | druiid | week ago... it worked with the sharp distrib, but I'm just now trying to get it working with the newest OZ, since kergoth finally added wlan support for it. |
| 02:47:31 | roge99 | hmmm |
| 02:47:44 | roge99 | did you update you rom w/ the rev2 patches |
| 02:49:12 | druiid | yeah. |
| 02:49:34 | roge99 | ok so you have a rev2 card |
| 02:50:04 | roge99 | i dont know if the modules will work w/ that card |
| 02:50:28 | roge99 | depends on which modules he used w/ that card |
| 02:51:18 | druiid | err... sorry.. thought you were talking about something different.. |
| 02:51:27 | druiid | no, haven't touched the linksys firmware. |
| 02:51:38 | roge99 | no not linksys firmware |
| 02:52:00 | roge99 | sharp provided a newer module for the card |
| 02:52:08 | roge99 | AFAIK |
| 02:52:48 | roge99 | put the card in and do a cardctl ident |
| 02:52:54 | roge99 | what do you get ? |
| 02:53:58 | druiid | revA.. so it's probably the first revision :) |
| 02:54:37 | roge99 | does the manif id match what i posted |
| 02:55:02 | druiid | it does. |
| 02:55:26 | roge99 | then it should work |
| 02:55:40 | jay | famous last words |
| 02:55:43 | jay | :) |
| 02:55:46 | roge99 | lol |
| 02:55:54 | roge99 | or explode |
| 02:56:20 | jay | damn qtopia CONNECT!!!! |
| 02:56:50 | jay | PalmtopConnection::QCopConnectionError attempting to connect ppp |
| 02:57:00 | Gepeto | jay: you can ping it? |
| 02:57:14 | druiid | hmmm... lsmod still showing prism2_cs unused. |
| 02:57:34 | roge99 | did you restart pcmcia services |
| 02:57:47 | druiid | I did one better.. restarted the zaurus. |
| 02:57:49 | jay | ifconfig usb0 192.168.129.200 netmask 255.255.255.255 up |
| 02:57:49 | jay | route add -host 192.168.129.201 usb0 |
| 02:57:54 | roge99 | do a ifconfig -a |
| 02:57:57 | jay | what ip does the zaurus take |
| 02:58:11 | Gepeto | jay: ping 192.168.129.201 |
| 02:58:16 | roge99 | got a wlan0 |
| 02:58:34 | druiid | roge99: nope, I looked at that first thing once I rebooted.. |
| 02:59:01 | roge99 | di you edit /etc/pcmcia/wlan-ng.conf with that entry |
| 02:59:08 | roge99 | s/di/did/ |
| 02:59:18 | druiid | roge99: I did. |
| 02:59:34 | roge99 | hmmm |
| 02:59:45 | roge99 | start klogd and syslogd |
| 02:59:54 | roge99 | and look at /var/log/messages |
| 02:59:58 | jay | Gepeto i can ping it |
| 03:00:21 | druiid | also.. to verify /etc/network/interfaces should look like "auto lo (line) iface lo inet loopback (line) iface wlan0 inet dhcp", correct? |
| 03:00:23 | Gepeto | jay: ok so the only solution I found ( I could ping but not sync ) |
| 03:00:23 | Gepeto | is |
| 03:00:26 | Gepeto | I unplug the z |
| 03:00:30 | Gepeto | put it back in |
| 03:00:31 | Gepeto | hit sync |
| 03:00:37 | Gepeto | run the ifconfig thing |
| 03:00:40 | Gepeto | route thing |
| 03:00:43 | Gepeto | qtopiadesktop (as root) |
| 03:00:57 | roge99 | druiid: yea that should be ok |
| 03:01:34 | peanut | waves |
| 03:01:38 | peanut | is upset with sharp |
| 03:01:40 | roge99 | waves back |
| 03:01:47 | peanut | is still without a Z |
| 03:01:53 | roge99 | dhoooo |
| 03:01:53 | Gepeto | peanut: poor you :( |
| 03:02:10 | peanut | was told 24-48 hours and then 2 day return |
| 03:02:10 | roge99 | that wireless modem really hosed you |
| 03:02:16 | peanut | yes it did. |
| 03:02:23 | roge99 | sorry to hear |
| 03:02:57 | peanut | they got it thursday |
| 03:03:00 | peanut | i called monday |
| 03:03:09 | peanut | they hadn't even looked at it.. |
| 03:03:23 | roge99 | bastards |
| 03:03:31 | peanut | :( |
| 03:03:40 | shoe | peanut :( |
| 03:03:45 | druiid | oops.. might have found the problem... |
| 03:03:48 | roge99 | you shuould ask for a loaner |
| 03:03:51 | roge99 | :-) |
| 03:03:51 | peanut | yeah.. |
| 03:04:01 | roge99 | druiid: what ? |
| 03:04:16 | jay | screw it...time for xp |
| 03:04:18 | jay | :( |
| 03:04:30 | roge99 | ewwwww xp |
| 03:04:32 | peanut | WHAT |
| 03:04:40 | jay | :( |
| 03:04:57 | Gepeto | jay: tried my trick? |
| 03:05:00 | jay | yes |
| 03:05:02 | jay | no good |
| 03:05:05 | Gepeto | No workie? :| |
| 03:05:07 | Gepeto | oh |
| 03:05:10 | Gepeto | theres something I did too |
| 03:05:23 | druiid | roge99: entered '' instead of " at the end of one of the statements :) |
| 03:05:28 | Gepeto | go into Network & Sync |
| 03:05:32 | Gepeto | Sync tab |
| 03:05:38 | roge99 | that'l do it |
| 03:05:39 | Gepeto | check IP, should be ok, press apply |
| 03:05:43 | Gepeto | remove z from cradle |
| 03:05:55 | Gepeto | put back, hit sync, ipconfig, route, qtopiadesktop |
| 03:05:56 | druiid | roge99: now when I remove/insert the card wlan-ng starts, now it's just a matter of configs.. |
| 03:06:05 | roge99 | yea |
| 03:06:25 | roge99 | i was getting a bus error from one of them |
| 03:06:29 | druiid | roge99: hopefully :) |
| 03:06:41 | roge99 | go to /etc/pcmcia |
| 03:06:55 | roge99 | and do a ./wlan-ng stop wlan0 |
| 03:07:07 | roge99 | then a ./wlan-ng start wlan0 |
| 03:07:14 | roge99 | see if you get the bus error |
| 03:07:56 | peanut | frowns.. |
| 03:09:06 | druiid | mother..... arrghh... |
| 03:09:12 | druiid | missing wlan-ng.opts.. |
| 03:09:17 | druiid | goes about re-creating it. |
| 03:09:27 | roge99 | ???? |
| 03:09:33 | roge99 | did you delete it |
| 03:09:58 | druiid | I must have.. doh |
| 03:10:32 | druiid | I see what happened |
| 03:10:43 | druiid | kicks the text editor, hopes kergoth fixes vi soon. |
| 03:12:08 | jay | PalmtopConnection::QCopConnectionError attempting to connect ppp >=( |
| 03:14:32 | shoe | I wonder how serious they are when they say things like "Highly unstable" |
| 03:16:08 | druiid | roge99: just got a bus error.. last line. |
| 03:16:22 | shoe | anybody running OZ3.0b4? |
| 03:16:28 | shoe | I'm in fear |
| 03:16:39 | Gepeto | shoe: me too :| I'm too scared to try |
| 03:16:47 | shoe | Gepeto |
| 03:16:49 | druiid | shoe: I am. |
| 03:16:49 | shoe | let's do it together |
| 03:16:51 | shoe | hehe |
| 03:16:53 | roge99 | druiid: yep |
| 03:16:56 | Gepeto | shoe: I can't until saturday |
| 03:16:59 | shoe | druiid: and how's it working for ya? |
| 03:17:06 | shoe | network? |
| 03:17:13 | roge99 | shoe: beta 7.5 is out |
| 03:17:13 | Gepeto | IrDA? |
| 03:17:16 | druiid | shoe: trying to get wlan working now... everything else works pretty well. |
| 03:17:31 | druiid | roge99: wonder what the problem is. |
| 03:18:10 | shoe | druiid: so is the wlan problem your problem or is the ROM broken in some way? |
| 03:18:10 | roge99 | wlanctl-ng |
| 03:18:30 | roge99 | it bus errors when you pass certain param to it |
| 03:18:53 | roge99 | kergoth has a full report of the errors |
| 03:19:06 | shoe | ok |
| 03:19:11 | druiid | any way to get it working right now? |
| 03:19:12 | shoe | pets kergoth |
| 03:19:17 | roge99 | hmm |
| 03:19:22 | roge99 | i dont know |
| 03:19:36 | druiid | I have no problem editing the scripts.. although it's a pain :) |
| 03:19:47 | roge99 | if you cant setup the card it would be hard to get working |
| 03:20:17 | roge99 | lol |
| 03:21:06 | druiid | roge99: well, although I'm feeling moronic after wading through setting it up.. I'm an experienced linux user, just haven't dealt with the wlan stuff, well, ever :) |
| 03:21:31 | roge99 | well first time for everything |
| 03:23:15 | druiid | roge99: so at this point you're saying the best thing will be for the both of us to wait for kergoth to fix it? :) |
| 03:23:47 | roge99 | ahh or pull another wlancfg-ng from somewhere else |
| 03:24:01 | roge99 | one that dosent bus error out |
| 03:24:15 | shoe | hehe |
| 03:24:31 | roge99 | grab the one form 1.13 |
| 03:24:37 | roge99 | see if that works |
| 03:27:54 | druiid | goes to compare |
| 03:30:06 | roge99 | well im off to get some sleep |
| 03:30:10 | roge99 | later all |
| 03:30:18 | roge99 | is away: zzZzzzz |
| 03:38:20 | KumaSan | is back (gone 01:04:06) |
| 03:45:28 | jay | anyone left awake |
| 03:46:32 | shoe | hmm |
| 03:46:40 | shoe | coughs |
| 03:46:52 | KumaSan | snorts... |
| 03:46:57 | jay | im trying to ftp to zaurus |
| 03:47:01 | jay | not working |
| 03:47:04 | jay | aaaarrrggg |
| 03:47:07 | shoe | I want to upgrade to OZ3.0 |
| 03:47:16 | shoe | but I'm afraid |
| 03:47:18 | shoe | I'm very afraid |
| 03:47:26 | KumaSan | still haven't sussed out the wireless stuff, but don't know if I have a problem with the Laptop, or the Z :) |
| 03:49:08 | jay | ftp> open 192.168.129.201 |
| 03:49:08 | jay | ftp: connect: Connection refused |
| 03:49:08 | jay | ftp> |
| 03:49:13 | shoe | ! |
| 03:49:16 | jay | damn this zaurus |
| 03:51:36 | bewmIES | try port 4242 |
| 03:51:40 | NeoTron | is back (gone 11:15:57) |
| 03:52:47 | jay | it just will not connect |
| 03:53:02 | jay | i did with username root and no password |
| 03:53:13 | jay | thats what i was told to make it |
| 03:53:15 | jay | work |
| 03:53:17 | bewmIES | Are you FTP'ing to port 21 or port 4242? |
| 03:53:23 | jay | 4242 |
| 03:53:24 | bewmIES | ie, ftp 192.168.129.201 4242 |
| 03:53:32 | bewmIES | Can you ping it? |
| 03:54:29 | jay | PING 192.168.129.201 (192.168.129.201) from 192.168.1.100 : 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 03:54:29 | jay | WARNING: failed to install socket filter |
| 03:54:29 | jay | : Protocol not available |
| 03:54:32 | jay | ???? |
| 03:56:11 | shoe | kicks AT&T |
| 03:56:12 | jay | i can ping it now |
| 03:56:31 | kergoth | re |
| 03:56:47 | | well, faq is at http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/ or at http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/handhelds-faq.html |
| 03:56:47 | kergoth | ibot: faq? |
| 03:57:18 | shoe | kergoth |
| 03:57:24 | shoe | we need wlan! |
| 03:57:40 | kergoth | er |
| 03:57:42 | kergoth | you have wlan |
| 03:58:04 | kergoth | except for the bus error in certain configurations |
| 03:58:05 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:58:10 | shoe | bus error in 3.0beta4 |
| 03:58:16 | shoe | :( |
| 03:58:17 | kergoth | shoe: beta 7.5 is current |
| 03:58:31 | shoe | really? |
| 03:58:31 | shoe | ok |
| 03:58:34 | kergoth | shoe: have you updated with the current packages from the feed? |
| 03:58:41 | shoe | well the one jay was trying to install earlier is having bus errors |
| 03:58:45 | kergoth | shoe: I keep the feed up to date |
| 03:58:57 | kergoth | shoe: did you alter wlan-ng.opts to configure it for your AP? |
| 03:59:05 | shoe | no |
| 03:59:13 | shoe | I'm waiting until I get the word from others that it works :P |
| 03:59:16 | shoe | waits |
| 03:59:24 | kergoth | shoe: so far only a couple people have tested |
| 03:59:27 | shoe | ok |
| 03:59:30 | shoe | you think it'll work? |
| 03:59:33 | kergoth | shoe: roge99 gets bus errors, but he didnt configure it for his yet either |
| 03:59:46 | kergoth | shoe: JasonNJ reported it working |
| 03:59:54 | kergoth | shoe: no one else has tested, to my knowledge |
| 03:59:55 | shoe | should I really have to go into wlan-ng.opts and configure? |
| 03:59:57 | shoe | it should just work :) |
| 04:00:00 | druiid | kergoth: I'm still trying to get it working, but I think it's just a WEP problem right now. |
| 04:00:06 | kergoth | druiid: ah.. |
| 04:00:10 | shoe | ok then |
| 04:00:13 | shoe | no other glaring problems? |
| 04:00:14 | shoe | vi works? |
| 04:00:18 | kergoth | shoe: this is openzaurus. its not for the faint of heart. and its beta. heh |
| 04:00:19 | shoe | todo list works? :) |
| 04:00:29 | kergoth | shoe: no, vi doesnt work, because busybox doesnt like me anymore |
| 04:00:32 | shoe | hehe |
| 04:00:39 | druiid | kergoth: right now it's getting link, but I can't get dhcp or even assign myself an IP and ping anything :( |
| 04:00:43 | kergoth | grumbles |
| 04:00:57 | kergoth | druiid: edit /etc/pcmcia/network.opts .. change DHCP="n" to DHCP="y" |
| 04:01:13 | shoe | it should default to DHCP |
| 04:01:18 | kergoth | shoe: no shit |
| 04:01:20 | shoe | haha |
| 04:01:24 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:01:30 | kergoth | found that AFTER i made the initrd :-) |
| 04:02:05 | shoe | see |
| 04:02:07 | shoe | waits |
| 04:02:09 | druiid | kergoth: I already did that.. |
| 04:02:21 | jay | ok i can ftp to zaurus from konsole but not from a ftp client |
| 04:02:22 | druiid | kergoth: it's a WEP problem, I'm just giving you an example of what's not working :) |
| 04:02:29 | kergoth | druiid: okay.. run syslogd and klogd .. cat /var/log/messages ;-) |
| 04:02:30 | jay | eh its a step i guess |
| 04:02:32 | kergoth | druiid: ah ;-) |
| 04:02:44 | druiid | double-checks his configs |
| 04:02:52 | druiid | maybe it doesn't like 128bit wep.. |
| 04:03:36 | kergoth | tkcCalender looks pretty sweet |
| 04:04:26 | kergoth | druiid: keep me posted with your progress |
| 04:04:50 | druiid | eerpp.. looks like I might have forgotten an 8 in the key.. *tries again* |
| 04:05:24 | BigBoss | it is sweet kergoth :) |
| 04:05:37 | shoe | alright |
| 04:05:43 | shoe | I'm ready |
| 04:05:48 | shoe | prepares to flash |
| 04:05:51 | druiid | damn, still nothing. |
| 04:06:12 | kergoth | BigBoss: hehe.. just as i get a gui back and i'm ready to buy some apps.. my unit gets broken.. I'll buy them anyway. fuck it. ;-) |
| 04:06:51 | druiid | bigboss: you guys working on a media player of some sort with any divx or similar codec support? |
| 04:07:35 | shoe | kergoth: where do I get the files for OZ? |
| 04:07:50 | druiid | kergoth: oh, I shouldn't need to mess with wireless.opts, right? |
| 04:08:38 | kergoth | druiid: nope, dont touch wireless at all.. thats part of wireless-tools, which is the iwconfig stuff.. which from what i understand doesnt work with wlan-ng |
| 04:08:44 | kergoth | shoe: http://openzaurus.sf.net/ |
| 04:08:49 | shoe | werd |
| 04:09:04 | druiid | kergoth: hmm, wonder if it could be removed from the distrib eventually, then. |
| 04:09:14 | druiid | to save a little space, and not confuse people. |
| 04:09:20 | kergoth | druiid: yes, it'll be left out by default in future versions |
| 04:09:48 | kergoth | druiid: i'm playing around atm.. there are many options for this stuff.. wlan-ng.. orinoco_cs.. the new prism2 driver dwmw2 ported to the ipaq kernel.. and some, not all, are supported by wireless-tools |
| 04:10:22 | KumaSan | still gets blinking lights on wireless cards, but neither one sees the other, sigh |
| 04:10:45 | shoe | 20-12 memory split, eh? |
| 04:10:52 | druiid | kumasan: well, I get a blinking-light.. then it syncs.. just won't communicate at this point :) |
| 04:10:55 | shoe | I thought the best you could go was 26-6 |
| 04:11:02 | kergoth | shoe: define 'best' |
| 04:11:19 | kergoth | shoe: if you want the most ram, you can go nomtdram and have no ram disk at all.. only the 16mb of flash |
| 04:11:25 | shoe | well... the most for RAM |
| 04:11:45 | KumaSan | druiid: well, route says it's there , ifconfig says it's there, but no talkie :) |
| 04:11:48 | kergoth | 20-12 was the original balance in sharps earlier roms |
| 04:11:52 | kergoth | shoe: you have a 5000d? |
| 04:12:20 | shoe | kergoth: yeah... I've been thinking of doing the sd on /home but I'm reconsidering... I think I'll just install all my apps on SD or CF |
| 04:12:48 | shoe | 20-12 was the original? so 26-6 is probably better... I dunno... what do you recommend? |
| 04:12:51 | kergoth | shoe: yeah.. openzaurus will give you enough options that you will be able to change the way you arrange things without reflashing |
| 04:13:06 | kergoth | shoe: for a 5000, running with only 20 megs of ram hurts |
| 04:13:20 | shoe | so 26-6 |
| 04:13:22 | shoe | goes |
| 04:13:46 | kergoth | yep. 26-6, unless you're going to install all your shit to sd/cf like the sd-on-home rom.. then you could go nomtdram and have the full 32mb at your disposal |
| 04:14:24 | shoe | I think I'll try the 26-6 first... if I run into memory problems I can always go sd on home |
| 04:14:33 | kergoth | cool |
| 04:15:11 | druiid | wonder if adhoc mode would affect anything in this case. |
| 04:19:41 | ljp_studio | ohhh.... provides is poopy |
| 04:20:02 | druiid | I'm doing something wrong with WEP.. it's syncing even when I remove digits... |
| 04:20:10 | druiid | anyone gotten 128bit wep working? |
| 04:20:23 | shoe | the qtopia desktop backup functionality never works for me.... |
| 04:20:40 | shoe | the Z goes into this 'syncing, please do not operate or remove from docking station' screen forever |
| 04:20:44 | kergoth | shoe: just use the databackup app in the ZZ feed.. heh |
| 04:21:36 | ljp_studio | shoe: I've found when it does that, just cancel that window and try again |
| 04:21:38 | shoe | databackup app in the ZZ feed? install a seperate package that does data/application backups? |
| 04:21:44 | kergoth | shoe: yes |
| 04:21:55 | shoe | wouldn't you have to install that app to be able to restore again? |
| 04:22:06 | kergoth | yep |
| 04:22:17 | shoe | ok |
| 04:22:20 | shoe | goes to the feed |
| 04:22:22 | shoe | what's it called? |
| 04:22:23 | shoe | databackup? |
| 04:22:26 | kergoth | yup |
| 04:22:31 | shoe | ! |
| 04:24:24 | shoe | it's not on my handhelds.org feed |
| 04:24:40 | kergoth | i didnt say handhelds.org |
| 04:24:45 | shoe | hides |
| 04:24:50 | kergoth | http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ IIRC |
| 04:24:52 | kergoth | heh, np |
| 04:25:45 | druiid | I've got to be doing something wrong... I've got dot11WEPDefaultKey0=AJK89098ADSD9099A129292 |
| 04:25:52 | shoe | hehe |
| 04:26:06 | scanline | is back (gone 03:49:38) |
| 04:26:23 | kergoth | okay, only 25 open bugs against openzaurus.. |
| 04:26:24 | shoe | locates databackup |
| 04:26:25 | kergoth | mutters |
| 04:26:53 | shoe | installs to SD |
| 04:27:38 | shoe | pretty cool |
| 04:29:13 | ljp_studio | kergoth: I need a 5500 for testing/debug hardware |
| 04:29:39 | kergoth | ljp_studio: heh. i'm sure Opie, LLC would be happy to supply one |
| 04:29:59 | KumaSan | kergoth: how close is OZ 3 to "release" ? |
| 04:29:59 | ljp_studio | heheheh cool |
| 04:30:07 | shoe | backup successful |
| 04:30:10 | shoe | fears |
| 04:30:11 | shoe | time to flash |
| 04:30:44 | kergoth | KumaSan: coming along nicely. only a few absolutely critical bugs/missing functionality left. I expect a few more beta releases to iron out the kinks, though |
| 04:30:54 | shoe | Kuma |
| 04:30:57 | shoe | I'm biting the bullet here |
| 04:31:01 | shoe | is going to OZ |
| 04:31:12 | ljp_studio | good luck |
| 04:31:13 | KumaSan | damn. I wish I could get the wireless nw going. I am totally confused. (although on the plus side, airsnort seems to suggest that the laptop card is working ok, judging by all the activity here in the hotel |
| 04:31:25 | KumaSan | kergoth: cool |
| 04:31:30 | KumaSan | shoe: 5500 or 5000? |
| 04:31:45 | shoe | 5000 |
| 04:31:59 | KumaSan | shoe: hm, does OZ work on 5500s? |
| 04:32:20 | shoe | kergoth: can I get the necessary files on the ZZ feed? |
| 04:33:02 | druiid | so.. no one else has used 128bit wep? |
| 04:33:20 | ][N-Flux | anyone here play jedi outcast online? |
| 04:37:47 | ljp_studio | on the zaurus? |
| 04:37:52 | ][N-Flux | no |
| 04:37:52 | W|GGL|T | hehe...mine was doing that too |
| 04:37:55 | ][N-Flux | pc :) |
| 04:41:53 | shoe | hey kergoth: what feed do you have your most updated files for OZ on? I can't find them on the ZZ feed |
| 04:45:03 | druiid | shoe: http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feed |
| 04:45:10 | shoe | thanks druiid |
| 04:45:24 | druiid | err.. /feeds/3.0.. sorry |
| 04:45:47 | KumaSan | druiid: 128bit I haven't gotten wireless working yet... :( |
| 04:46:45 | shoe | :( |
| 04:47:05 | druiid | kumasan: same here, it must have something to do with how the 128 bit key has to be entered... it appears from the config that wlan-ng likes 64-bit keys.. |
| 04:49:06 | shoe | really I just want to copy the files over to the SD drive so I can then place them on the CF and flash... but going through the installation proceedure... will that do more than just place the files? |
| 04:50:26 | KumaSan | druiid: nah, I haven't got basic wireless down. I *think* the card is fine, but I can't get it to talk to anything |
| 04:53:28 | KumaSan | running airsnort on the laptop (with a wifi card of it's own) I see a lot of activity, but I can't tell if any of it is from the Zaurus |
| 04:56:42 | KumaSan | needs food |
| 04:56:44 | KumaSan | is away: I'm busy |
| 05:05:00 | guru | Hello All!! |
| 05:05:07 | guru | Anything new going on? |
| 05:05:10 | shoe | hi guru |
| 05:05:10 | druiid | I must be entering the key wrong.. that has to be it. |
| 05:05:57 | shoe | anyone know how to invoke a download of a file on a webpage (right click -> save file as type thing)? |
| 05:06:09 | guru | Hey, has anyone else noticed that both KDE and GNOME have great support for Palm Pilot, yet ZERO support for the Linux based Zaurus?? |
| 05:06:18 | shoe | haha |
| 05:06:20 | shoe | give it time :) |
| 05:06:53 | guru | wonder if the Gnome or KDE folk are even working on Zaurus support... ? |
| 05:07:00 | shoe | one would hope |
| 05:07:28 | W|GGL|T | i bet it took quite awhile for both of them to fully support the Palms too |
| 05:08:33 | KumaSan | is back (gone 00:11:42) |
| 05:08:35 | guru | true, it likely took a while... but haven't the developer units (SL-5000D) been avail for over 6 months now? |
| 05:09:06 | KumaSan | hm, ifconfig lists a MAC for the wireless cards, but ARP shows the hardware address to be (incomplete) is this normal? |
| 05:09:13 | W|GGL|T | 6 months isnt all that long if you think about it |
| 05:09:43 | guru | I think it's time we start posting in the KDE & Gnome mailing lists.. =) |
| 05:10:28 | shoe | hmm |
| 05:10:37 | shoe | can't save this file from Opera |
| 05:10:44 | shoe | weird that htey wouldn't give you that capability |
| 05:13:13 | guru | hmmm.. have you tried Konq-Embedded? |
| 05:13:33 | shoe | no, I'm going to install that after I flash |
| 05:13:59 | guru | I dnloaded it and am trying it on my desktop machine right now... (still waiting for my Z to arrive!!!) |
| 05:14:26 | KumaSan | is away: I'm busy |
| 05:14:51 | guru | The funniest thing happened to me today.. My Zaurus was suppose to arrive. I recieved a big box from FedEx, and I hurriedly tore it open, and lo & behold.. I see a Sony Clie where I had expected a Sharp Zaurus!! |
| 05:15:02 | guru | the damn Co. I ordered from screwed up!! |
| 05:15:15 | shoe | hahaha |
| 05:15:20 | shoe | that sucks |
| 05:15:30 | guru | sux!! I have to wait 2 more day's for my Zaurus to arrive! |
| 05:15:33 | guru | =( |
| 05:15:54 | W|GGL|T | where'd you buy it from? |
| 05:16:13 | guru | I bought it from Harmony Computers... They seem to have the lowest price ($435) |
| 05:16:25 | guru | + shipping of course |
| 05:16:35 | W|GGL|T | i just went to a local best buy....$499 though :/ |
| 05:16:52 | guru | yeah, but you didn't have to deal with the 2 week wait + screwup! |
| 05:16:55 | W|GGL|T | but i have a line of credit with them :) |
| 05:17:30 | W|GGL|T | hell, i may have to take mine back...its not seating in the cradle like it should |
| 05:17:44 | guru | hey, does Opera Embedded support tabbed browsing? |
| 05:18:54 | guru | Konq/e doesn't support tabbed browsing.. |
| 05:19:36 | vilmund | fetchmail |
| 05:20:10 | shoe | I'll be damned if I can't get this bootflag file because I can't download it from the browser |
| 05:20:13 | shoe | this is very frustrating |
| 05:20:39 | guru | shoe.... are you sure OPera doesn't support downloading files? that seems kinda stange. |
| 05:20:40 | kergoth | shoe: right click on it. click save target as. heh |
| 05:20:57 | shoe | on the Z, kergoth :) |
| 05:21:00 | kergoth | ah |
| 05:21:08 | kergoth | yeah i've heard opera on the z is a pain for that.. |
| 05:21:12 | guru | what site are you at shoe? I'll try it in Konq/e |
| 05:21:12 | kergoth | heard konq isnt much better |
| 05:21:13 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:21:19 | shoe | helpful |
| 05:21:22 | shoe | heh |
| 05:21:31 | kergoth | shoe: wget :-) |
| 05:21:43 | shoe | kergoth: is there a way to get just the necessery flash files from a feed without it trying to install and shit? |
| 05:22:36 | kergoth | ? |
| 05:23:44 | guru | Hey, one neat feature of Konq/e is the "view's" |
| 05:24:08 | guru | you can have multiple views, and select between them with the touch of a button. |
| 05:25:54 | guru | hey, what are you guys using for IRC on your Zaurus? |
| 05:26:05 | guru | tkcJabber? |
| 05:26:06 | Hellaenergy | ZINC |
| 05:27:17 | druiid | hmmm.. I'm still not sure what the problem is. |
| 05:28:46 | Hellaenergy | http://www.zauruszone.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi?s=3cc642e70aefffff;act=ST;f=12;t=30 |
| 05:29:13 | shoe | what's the ipkg command to install an ipkg package on SD? |
| 05:29:25 | shoe | the damn help scrolls up so I can't see it |
| 05:30:39 | Hellaenergy | guru: http://www.jpilot.com/java/irc/zaurus/ |
| 05:30:54 | Hellaenergy | That look sweet afik |
| 05:31:05 | druiid | okay.. I give up... I can't get it working. |
| 05:31:21 | guru | Hellaenergy: thanks! The screenshots look cool! |
| 05:31:22 | Hellaenergy | druiid: what? |
| 05:31:27 | druiid | wlan |
| 05:31:34 | Hellaenergy | rom? |
| 05:31:41 | druiid | OZ |
| 05:31:45 | Hellaenergy | oh : |
| 05:31:51 | Hellaenergy | 3 |
| 05:31:52 | Hellaenergy | ? |
| 05:31:53 | druiid | kergoth: you around? |
| 05:32:17 | Hellaenergy | I know its bigity beta as hell |
| 05:32:28 | Hellaenergy | suppose you do too :) |
| 05:33:10 | guru | ANyone of you using the SMC 2642w CF 802.11b card w your Zaurus? |
| 05:33:25 | guru | I'm curious as to how well it works, and what the range of the card is. |
| 05:33:43 | Hellaenergy | I had one guru |
| 05:33:59 | guru | Hellaenergy: is it working good for you? |
| 05:34:03 | Hellaenergy | 802.11 works like shit |
| 05:34:18 | vilmund | anyone working on zaurus in a console like enviroment i.e. where the entire screen is used for command line? |
| 05:34:19 | Hellaenergy | rom 1.12 |
| 05:34:25 | guru | what was the problem?? range? power consupmtion? |
| 05:34:49 | Hellaenergy | guru: when set it would disconnect after about 3 min |
| 05:34:56 | druiid | well.. this is decidedly a WEP issue.. disabling wep gets me up and running.. WTF. |
| 05:35:11 | vilmund | make better use of that precious real estate without frames, menus, and smiley faces |
| 05:35:38 | Hellaenergy | Ifrastructure worked fine, though |
| 05:35:43 | vilmund | BitchX for ?? |
| 05:35:47 | vilmund | Z |
| 05:35:49 | Hellaenergy | and it looks cool for it |
| 05:36:14 | guru | hmmm |
| 05:36:42 | Hellaenergy | I took it back along with the wireless router I bought |
| 05:36:48 | Hellaenergy | linksys |
| 05:36:50 | Hellaenergy | that sucked too |
| 05:37:04 | Hellaenergy | from now on I will make my own access points ;) |
| 05:37:04 | guru | hmmm... you are scaring me. |
| 05:37:08 | guru | hehe |
| 05:37:22 | guru | I got the D-Link 1000AP and SMC 2642w |
| 05:37:28 | guru | just waiting for my Zaurus to arrive |
| 05:37:36 | vilmund | *anyone* working with a z screen that contains *only* a command prompt? |
| 05:37:46 | Hellaenergy | NO |
| 05:38:09 | Hellaenergy | you can get one by esc during bootup though |
| 05:38:26 | vilmund | ahh ok don't have a z yet |
| 05:38:33 | vilmund | thanks |
| 05:38:53 | Hellaenergy | It kind of a pain to type on this thing |
| 05:39:00 | Hellaenergy | no the less its handy to be able to |
| 05:39:07 | Hellaenergy | s/no/none |
| 05:39:36 | Hellaenergy | ssh from your box into it and your cool, though ;) |
| 05:39:43 | shoe | vilmund: lots of people, I imagine... when you open up the terminal, it takes up the whole screen |
| 05:40:03 | guru | what is the big deal I hear some people making about the Handwriting Recognition on the Zaurus to be inferior to that of PocketPC's?? |
| 05:40:06 | Hellaenergy | www.distributopia.com |
| 05:40:08 | guru | is that true? |
| 05:40:19 | Hellaenergy | Not at all |
| 05:40:30 | Hellaenergy | the z is much more configurable |
| 05:40:43 | Hellaenergy | thus can recongnise you better |
| 05:41:24 | guru | Hellaenergy: have you used the pocketpc's? |
| 05:41:35 | Hellaenergy | ah... |
| 05:41:40 | Hellaenergy | no :) |
| 05:41:45 | guru | :) |
| 05:42:46 | guru | im just curious if there is any truth to that.. I read it on some msg board.. this guy was RAVING about how the PocketPC had real Handwriting Recognition, while the Zaurus was Pseudo recognition.. Someting about the PocketPC being able to recognize more than one character at a time?? i dunno if this guy was full of it or what.. |
| 05:47:11 | W|GGL|T | hrmm...i thought qt reader could view .pdb files. i'm getting nothing but symbols |
| 05:49:48 | Hellaenergy | Man my kernel just froze :( |
| 05:51:25 | KumaSan | is back (gone 00:36:41) |
| 05:51:54 | Hellaenergy | goes to bed |
| 05:51:56 | Hellaenergy | good night |
| 06:04:30 | KumaSan | damn! I need a bigger stick to beat on the wireless stuff with. the wvlan monitor in opie doesn't work with this card, shows 27% whether the card is in or not. |
| 06:09:41 | W|GGL|T | is too poor to afford wireless, and actually too poor to have bought the Z he owns :) |
| 06:10:11 | KumaSan | eats a lot of tunafish for a while :) |
| 06:10:23 | W|GGL|T | hehehe |
| 06:10:31 | W|GGL|T | sammiches here |
| 06:10:55 | ][N-Flux | make me a sammich |
| 06:11:33 | KumaSan | wraps two pieces of bread around ][N-Flux's arm... |
| 06:11:41 | ][N-Flux | yummy |
| 06:11:51 | ][N-Flux | too much hair though |
| 06:11:54 | W|GGL|T | "arm sammich" |
| 06:12:42 | ][N-Flux | I want doom on my Z |
| 06:12:45 | ][N-Flux | dang it |
| 06:13:09 | KumaSan | ][N-Flux: quake is in the feed now, b ut ipkg keeps horking up on it :( |
| 06:13:47 | ][N-Flux | quake needs alot work |
| 06:14:03 | ][N-Flux | doom will be easier |
| 06:14:45 | KumaSan | I wish ipkg would tell you what went wrong... |
| 06:15:29 | ][N-Flux | it says something went qwrong isn't that enough :) |
| 06:16:02 | kend-zaur | re |
| 06:16:10 | kend-zaur | anyone else try zsafe? |
| 06:16:11 | ][N-Flux | hrmmmmmm |
| 06:16:15 | ][N-Flux | zsafe? |
| 06:16:37 | kend-zaur | it doesnt seem to care what password i give it :^P |
| 06:16:50 | ][N-Flux | what is it? |
| 06:16:59 | kend-zaur | and it crashes if you hit 'pencil' (edit) w/o having an item highlighted |
| 06:17:05 | kend-zaur | password mgr |
| 06:17:42 | ][N-Flux | blah |
| 06:17:52 | ][N-Flux | my brain is my passwd manager |
| 06:18:03 | ][N-Flux | DOOM :) |
| 06:18:07 | kend-zaur | i have too many unimportant ones :) |
| 06:18:13 | kend-zaur | :^P |
| 06:18:26 | ][N-Flux | just use the same thing over and over and over |
| 06:18:50 | kend-zaur | hehe.. that's getting hard |
| 06:19:20 | ][N-Flux | DOOM :) |
| 06:19:51 | ][N-Flux | did you make any headway on it anyway? |
| 06:20:19 | kend-zaur | no |
| 06:20:32 | kend-zaur | taking it easy today |
| 06:20:43 | ][N-Flux | Augh :) |
| 06:20:45 | kend-zaur | was working on atari800 last nite |
| 06:20:58 | ][N-Flux | hehehe |
| 06:22:50 | ][N-Flux | hrmmm 2:30 am |
| 06:23:15 | ][N-Flux | 4wheelers |
| 06:23:25 | ][N-Flux | they are Fing skates |
| 06:23:27 | ][N-Flux | ARGH |
| 06:27:23 | kend-zaur | bbiab |
| 06:27:33 | ][N-Flux | is away: BED |
| 06:28:54 | vilmund | w |
| 06:30:32 | KumaSan | later all, bedtime for bears |
| 06:52:24 | narrowmind | hm... new tkc apps. |
| 06:52:31 | narrowmind | bah.. Ill never buy them.. |
| 06:53:25 | EkePoetry | should really take #zaurus off his notebook's autoconnect list. |
| 07:04:25 | narrowmind | date |
| 07:42:05 | fusion94- | is away: sleeeeeeep |
| 07:49:42 | scanline | is away: ZzZz |
| 09:19:13 | twiun | Morning peeps |
| 09:41:10 | narowmind | any one awake ? |
| 09:41:54 | twiun | Yeah, what's up? |
| 09:42:11 | narowmind | nothing.. the channel seemed dead earlier.. |
| 09:42:34 | twiun | it's still too early for the US ;-) |
| 09:43:31 | narowmind | bah.. Im in california |
| 09:43:36 | narowmind | sleep is for pussies. |
| 09:43:45 | twiun | Yeah, too early ;-) |
| 09:54:46 | narowmind | ick your web your website is full of flash |
| 09:58:52 | twiun | which website? |
| 09:59:03 | narowmind | www.riversoft.com |
| 09:59:10 | twiun | Yeah, it sucks |
| 09:59:14 | narowmind | heh. |
| 09:59:19 | twiun | outsourced |
| 09:59:26 | narowmind | bah.. they did the same to us |
| 09:59:39 | twiun | mine's a bit cleaner http://adorphuye.com |
| 09:59:54 | narowmind | heh.. says I need a sun ultra 1.. and all I have is blade's and ultra 2 |
| 10:01:02 | twiun | who says? my site? or the company site? |
| 10:01:08 | narowmind | the company |
| 10:01:23 | narowmind | What do I need to do to run RiverSoft on my network? |
| 10:01:26 | twiun | Bah... I don't even bother looking at that anyway - only ever displays properly in IE |
| 10:01:27 | narowmind | Sun SPARC Ultra1 |
| 10:01:46 | narowmind | is semi-usable in konq |
| 10:01:59 | twiun | I'm developing on a sparc ultra 10 |
| 10:02:09 | twiun | and it blows |
| 10:02:24 | narowmind | heh.. you must us a sun.. but the page wont display in any sun web browsers =) |
| 10:02:31 | narowmind | s/us/use/ |
| 10:02:52 | narowmind | I own a sunblade.. and ultra2 |
| 10:02:52 | twiun | Yeah... that's why Opera is rather nice right now |
| 10:02:56 | narowmind | heh |
| 10:03:15 | narowmind | newer version of mozilla arnt that bad. |
| 10:03:55 | twiun | Yeah, but they need higher OS versions... I'm stuck on solaris 2.6 for now |
| 10:04:01 | hunger | narowmind: Right. mizilla 1.0rc1 does only look slow, it does not feel slow anymore;-) |
| 10:04:25 | narowmind | ick.. I havnt used 2.6 for years.. im runnig 2.8 (8) now |
| 10:04:44 | hunger | uses galeon: Uterising the fast parts of mozilla without the sucky XUL GUI stuff. |
| 10:04:48 | twiun | Exactly... there's an upgrade timetabled sometime this year |
| 10:05:15 | narowmind | xul is a cool project.. I just wish it so damn slow.. |
| 10:05:31 | narowmind | bah.. I got a free media kit |
| 10:05:43 | hunger | narowmind: Sorry, its a completly messed up idea. |
| 10:06:33 | narowmind | what? a cross platform gui ? |
| 10:06:48 | hunger | narowmind: A user wants a consistent environment for all his apps, not a app with a consistent GUI across environments. |
| 10:06:56 | narowmind | I dont like java either..but its a intristing idea |
| 10:07:30 | hunger | narowmind: I know lots of windows users that say they won't use mozilla because the UI is so strange:-( |
| 10:07:43 | narowmind | are you talking about mozilla + every damn client you can think of.. |
| 10:07:50 | narowmind | or just the xul project ? |
| 10:07:58 | hunger | narowmind: Only XUL. |
| 10:08:35 | narowmind | I have used other projects based on xul.. and while a few widgets had a similar look and feel.. they werent exactly the same |
| 10:08:50 | narowmind | bah.. if windows users cant figure it out.. its most likly a plus |
| 10:09:29 | hunger | narowmind: So you are against linux on the desktop? |
| 10:09:40 | narowmind | no.. I use it all the time |
| 10:09:53 | narowmind | but I am against dumbing it down for the lusers =) |
| 10:09:56 | hunger | narowmind: I was speaking of desktops in general, not yours;-) |
| 10:10:06 | narowmind | what do I care bout them |
| 10:10:30 | narowmind | my mom used mandrake for a while.. she didnt find it all that hard |
| 10:10:33 | hunger | narowmind: The money goes where the users are. |
| 10:10:48 | narowmind | bah.. they can keep the money. |
| 10:10:59 | narowmind | linux did fine with out it this long |
| 10:11:22 | hunger | narowmind: I'd like to get a job in a linux company... so I'd like to see more money in that sector:-) |
| 10:11:31 | narowmind | really I like freebsd on the desktop.. /usr/ports rocks |
| 10:11:59 | narowmind | no.. linux companies wont make it.. few know what they are doing.. most are trying to cash in on name recoginition.. |
| 10:12:10 | narowmind | get job at a real company.. that might use linux |
| 10:12:15 | hunger | I never tried the BSDs. My hardware is not supported right:-( |
| 10:12:24 | narowmind | what? |
| 10:12:32 | narowmind | netbsd supports just about everything.. |
| 10:13:06 | hunger | narowmind: The guys at the BSD boothes at shows keep telling me to wait a bit more before trying it. |
| 10:13:06 | narowmind | installing bsd's are cool... install working system.. update all sources.. rebuild entire system |
| 10:13:36 | hunger | narowmind: What a waste of time! :-) |
| 10:13:40 | narowmind | bah.. I know several of the freebsd commiters.. if something isnt supported I buy them one and dare them to write a driver.. |
| 10:14:07 | hunger | narowmind: I don't want to build everything myself. |
| 10:14:10 | narowmind | bah.. in the end you get a system will all current bug/security fixes.. as opposed to stale binaries |
| 10:14:19 | narowmind | hmm ya .. its really hard |
| 10:14:32 | narowmind | cvsup && buildworld && installworld |
| 10:14:34 | hunger | narowmind: I'm on debian/unstable. Most binaries do not get too stale there;-) |
| 10:14:59 | narowmind | then you grab a coffe and watch the antics |
| 10:15:21 | narowmind | and freebsd has linux abi support.. I run linux-netscape.. fer flash |
| 10:15:57 | hunger | narowmind: I think I would be able to build my whole system from scratch, but I don't want to. I want to concentrate on the fun parts, not the boring sitting-in-front-of-a-box-waiting-for-it-to-get-done part. |
| 10:17:05 | narowmind | one top level make file rebuilds the entire system.. you start it.. and go to sleep.. wakeup.. fully update to system |
| 10:17:53 | hunger | narowmind: I can get that with 'apt-get upgrade' too, taking much less time. |
| 10:18:15 | narowmind | ya.. but they dont have kqueues |
| 10:18:43 | narowmind | now thats a killer c programming api |
| 10:18:47 | hunger | narowmind: Of course it's cool to be able to rebuild the complete system in one go, I admit that. But I don't want to have to do it. |
| 10:19:15 | narowmind | you dont have to.. but most people do |
| 10:19:22 | hunger | narowmind: I do C++ because I donÄt like the low-level stuff too much anyway. |
| 10:19:28 | narowmind | well most of the people I know. |
| 10:19:39 | narowmind | shiver C++ |
| 10:20:04 | hunger | narowmind: It rocks once you get used to it. Takes a while though. |
| 10:20:19 | hunger | narowmind: But templates are so cool;-) |
| 10:20:49 | hunger | narowmind: Now mix in a bit of CORBA and you can do really cool things with a few lines of code. |
| 10:21:11 | narowmind | ick.. C++ begs for threads.. and few OS's support threads well |
| 10:21:57 | narowmind | I guess Im biased becouse I write network apps all day |
| 10:22:15 | hunger | narowmind: Thats another reason for me not to go BSD. Although I heared they have fixed a lot of threading issues during the last two years. |
| 10:40:05 | narowmind | have any of you seen rpms for for ncurses? I want to cross compile an app that uses ncurses. |
| 11:15:15 | twiun | Whoa! |
| 11:20:08 | narowmind | netsplit |
| 11:20:24 | alphablue | sorry |
| 11:20:34 | narowmind | has any one installed checked out he embeidx sdk (sdkl_2.02.11.iso) ? |
| 11:20:38 | twiun | it's the first time I've noticed one during the day... it's usually in the evenings |
| 11:20:53 | narowmind | it is the evening. its like 4am |
| 11:20:59 | narowmind | =p |
| 11:26:05 | twiun | Hehe, well it's _my_ lunchtime now... bbl ;-) |
| 11:46:44 | narowmind | So where do I get ncurses for the cross compiler? is everyone building it from source? is it hidden on some sdk ? |
| 11:58:49 | hunger | narowmind: OZ has ncurses. |
| 12:04:05 | narowmind | my zaurus has ncurses. but how do I get it into the tool chain on my host ... |
| 12:04:37 | narowmind | I tried copying it over..and sticking it in /opt/Embedix/tools/arm-linux/lib but the linker doesnt want to find it =( |
| 12:05:44 | riskable | Morning folks |
| 12:07:15 | narowmind | bah.. I went nutz on the symbolic links.. now the liner finds it .. heh |
| 12:57:02 | riskable | Man I can't wait to get a .us domain name |
| 12:57:13 | riskable | SO many cool possibilities! |
| 12:57:23 | riskable | This one sounds daring: slash.us |
| 12:57:36 | riskable | Better have a beefy connection behind that! |
| 12:57:46 | riskable | ComeSee.us |
| 13:00:04 | narowmind | bah.. I thought the crazy name chase was over |
| 13:00:18 | riskable | It'll never be over :) |
| 13:01:46 | narowmind | lame |
| 13:02:41 | narowmind | Ill be happy when they come up with .pr0n so I can block all lame pr0n sites in dns |
| 13:03:05 | ljp_studio | I could be wrong, but I think .us domains work like this-> county.state.us so I could get one boulder.co.us |
| 13:03:42 | narowmind | yes... but thats not the only names in .us |
| 13:04:57 | narowmind | is there single package that includes all the shared objects (and headers) that are on the zaurus ? glibc isnt enough.. |
| 13:07:13 | narowmind | falls down.. asleep |
| 13:17:03 | riskable | .us is being opened up |
| 13:17:14 | riskable | Anyone can register (soon) |
| 13:17:24 | riskable | whatever.us (lots are reserved though) |
| 13:33:19 | ljp_studio | I thought it was regulated to county.state.us of where the registerer lives/based |
| 13:44:56 | riskable | Nope, they're opening up the whole domain |
| 13:45:34 | ljp_studio | ohh. nice |
| 13:47:50 | ljp_studio | oh man, I need to get scp working on my Z at some point |
| 13:54:42 | riskable | Damn I hate Sun service |
| 14:01:55 | riskable | DAMN I hate Sun Service!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 14:02:12 | riskable | They REALLY need to change their ticketing system |
| 14:36:18 | JasonNJ | morning |
| 14:41:53 | BigBoss | hey jason |
| 14:44:17 | benmeyer | morning |
| 14:51:13 | benmeyer | Has anyone beat all 50 levels of puzz-le? |
| 15:13:36 | ljp_ | JasonNJ or benmeyer: Zaurus needs realplayer |
| 15:14:03 | JasonNJ | ljp_: talk to Neo. |
| 15:14:21 | ljp_ | he's got something in the works? |
| 15:14:32 | JasonNJ | Real wanted to charge us a bundle for the development of it |
| 15:14:53 | JasonNJ | he now works for the embedded division of Real |
| 15:15:01 | JasonNJ | so hopefully we may get some movement on their side. |
| 15:15:02 | ljp_ | ahh nice! |
| 15:21:23 | CaptMiddy | I was wondering if someone might be able to help, I am trying to develop a basic database program using SQLite. |
| 15:21:39 | CaptMiddy | And I was wondering how I would add the library to my cross compiler. |
| 15:33:55 | Twiun | Hey ben, I did that thing for you - the SSI tables |
| 15:36:40 | warmi | hi |
| 15:36:44 | Twiun | Hey |
| 15:51:37 | benmeyer | Hey |
| 15:51:54 | benmeyer | So it is now is SSI? |
| 15:51:57 | benmeyer | :-) |
| 15:52:12 | kergoth | hey all |
| 15:52:40 | ljp_ | SSI? |
| 15:53:56 | hunger | Hi kergoth! |
| 15:54:13 | hunger | kergoth: Can you still make linux-new? |
| 15:54:16 | kergoth | I just realized I forgot to apply the fix to the kernel for the linksys cf card problems that occur in recent sharp roms..... |
| 15:54:20 | kergoth | hunger: make kernel-multi |
| 15:54:24 | benmeyer | kergoth: is arm big or little endian? |
| 15:54:27 | kergoth | hunger: renamed it to a target that makes sense |
| 15:54:29 | kergoth | benmeyer: little |
| 15:54:40 | benmeyer | ok, that is what I thought, but... |
| 15:56:20 | ljp_ | does Intel make bug endian processors? |
| 15:56:26 | ljp_ | err bug.. heh |
| 15:56:26 | benmeyer | I think so |
| 15:56:29 | ljp_ | big |
| 15:56:40 | kergoth | bug endian |
| 15:56:41 | kergoth | i like that |
| 15:56:42 | ljp_ | big big.. that should hav been bIg |
| 15:57:04 | ljp_ | needs espresso |
| 15:57:07 | kergoth | me too |
| 15:57:15 | kergoth | but code red will do |
| 15:57:59 | ljp_ | heh bbl |
| 15:58:16 | kergoth | ibot: message for roge99: I didnt apply the fix for the linksys CF card problems that popped up in recent sharp roms... could that be the cause of your difficulty? |
| 16:12:25 | extremis | Can I get opie 3.0 from anywhere other than sf.net. I'm getting < 1k/s from them |
| 16:12:50 | kergoth | opie 3.0 doesnt exist. openzaurus 3.0 does, however |
| 16:12:57 | extremis | what is opie? |
| 16:12:58 | kergoth | nope, i dont have it on any mirrors yet |
| 16:13:06 | kergoth | opie is the GUI in openzaurus |
| 16:13:11 | kergoth | its a code fork of the Qtopia codebase |
| 16:13:26 | extremis | cool. what version of opie is in oz3.0? |
| 16:13:38 | kergoth | current from cvs |
| 16:13:43 | kergoth | opie hasnt had any actual releases yet |
| 16:13:54 | extremis | ahh. so the today view doesn't autostart in anything yet |
| 16:14:10 | extremis | can you dcc me oz3.0? |
| 16:14:18 | extremis | nomtdram |
| 16:14:21 | extremis | and initrd.bin |
| 16:14:30 | kergoth | hmm? today view autostarts.. |
| 16:14:30 | extremis | I'm not waiting 2 hours for this |
| 16:14:31 | extremis | heh |
| 16:14:38 | extremis | in oz? |
| 16:14:43 | kergoth | today only autostarts when run on top of the Opie launcher |
| 16:14:43 | extremis | not in 1.13 |
| 16:14:55 | extremis | ok, you said opie isn't released |
| 16:15:00 | kergoth | yes, it isnt |
| 16:15:00 | extremis | I'm confused |
| 16:15:26 | kergoth | opie is not released. today only autostarts when run on top of the opie launcher. I dont see where the confusion comes in |
| 16:15:31 | extremis | hehe |
| 16:15:36 | extremis | my confusion was my own statement |
| 16:15:39 | extremis | I understand now |
| 16:15:40 | kergoth | today is part of opie. nothing in opie is released |
| 16:15:41 | kergoth | ah |
| 16:15:42 | extremis | please ignore the gimp |
| 16:15:44 | kergoth | good :-) |
| 16:15:54 | kergoth | I'm barely awake yet, np |
| 16:16:00 | extremis | today has been released |
| 16:16:09 | kergoth | huH? |
| 16:16:18 | kergoth | the fact that an ipk exists, does not indicate an official release |
| 16:16:23 | kergoth | ipks are generated from cvs. |
| 16:16:25 | extremis | :) |
| 16:16:39 | extremis | are there screens of opie yet? |
| 16:16:43 | extremis | screenshots that is |
| 16:16:49 | kergoth | extremis: http://opie.handhelds.org/ |
| 16:17:06 | kergoth | extremis: it doesnt appear all that different from qtopia yet. new apps, and some improvements to the rest of the apps |
| 16:17:46 | ljp_ | the people that have cvs access to opie are cooler than the people that have cvs access to qtopia. |
| 16:17:52 | ljp_ | :D |
| 16:17:56 | kergoth | hah |
| 16:18:00 | ljp_ | THAT'S that main difference |
| 16:18:03 | treke | except the guy who keeps breaking the texteditor :) |
| 16:18:11 | ljp_ | its not broke |
| 16:18:19 | treke | ljp_: kidding |
| 16:18:38 | ljp_ | heheh.. I keep _fixing_ it |
| 16:18:44 | extremis | so, could someone dcc me oz3.0 initd.ram and zImage_nomtdram? |
| 16:19:06 | ljp_ | you can dl them yourself |
| 16:19:10 | kergoth | treke: fyi, I just confirmed that the Packages file in the feed is updated.. and opie-base depends on qt-embedded 2.3.2 or higher, so its not bound to the previous version |
| 16:19:11 | extremis | at < 1k/s |
| 16:19:16 | extremis | sf.net is blowing right now |
| 16:19:22 | kergoth | sf.net blows regularly |
| 16:19:34 | extremis | so again, could someone dcc? |
| 16:19:44 | kergoth | I dont have it handy.. i'm at work atm |
| 16:19:46 | extremis | or put it on a mirror |
| 16:20:22 | kergoth | fyi beta8 kernels are coming soon |
| 16:20:30 | kergoth | extremis: i'll throw it up somewhere where you can grab it.. hold |
| 16:20:37 | extremis | great |
| 16:20:58 | sitruC | any recommendations for 802.11b cf and access points? |
| 16:22:00 | ljp_ | b8? |
| 16:22:16 | kergoth | ljp_: with the linksys cf card fix thats in the kernel on ZZ |
| 16:22:31 | ljp_ | ahh |
| 16:23:04 | kergoth | I need to track down the bus error |
| 16:23:16 | kergoth | that occurs when you run wlanctl with the default wlan-ng.opts |
| 16:23:44 | ljp_ | eeewwww bud error |
| 16:23:46 | ljp_ | bus |
| 16:23:54 | ljp_ | god I should learn how to type |
| 16:24:17 | kergoth | ljp_: I wonder if apm is supposed to handling saving time using hwclock on suspend... or if we should just save the system time to hw time on shutdown.... then hw time would match up close enough that you wouldnt see the prob.. hmm |
| 16:24:33 | kergoth | yeah bus errors are ugly. need to find the specific set of conditions that causes the behaivor |
| 16:25:22 | ljp_ | run hwclock.. and it says there is not hardware clock |
| 16:25:31 | kergoth | hm |
| 16:25:36 | kergoth | i wish i knew more about this time shit |
| 16:25:39 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:25:53 | ljp_ | watch Back to the Future |
| 16:25:58 | ljp_ | or Futurama |
| 16:26:01 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:26:06 | kergoth | I need a flux capacitor! thats the prob |
| 16:26:17 | ljp_ | yep! |
| 16:26:34 | ljp_ | I should have a new version of vmemo/sound settings tonight |
| 16:26:41 | kergoth | ah nice.. |
| 16:28:44 | ljp_ | not real sure whats the prob with the 5500.. it may have a different /dev/dsp situation |
| 16:29:00 | kergoth | shouldnt.. it uses the same driver... |
| 16:29:25 | kergoth | unless they mucked with the devices in /dev.. |
| 16:29:27 | ljp_ | ya I know.. |
| 16:30:03 | ljp_ | well.. with the 5000d, to record, you have to open /dev/dsp1,as opposed to opening /dev/dsp in readwrite |
| 16:30:26 | Neo|Work | morning |
| 16:30:35 | kergoth | ljp_: yep |
| 16:30:37 | kergoth | hey Neo |
| 16:30:39 | ljp_ | OZ has no /sbin/hwclock |
| 16:30:44 | kergoth | i know |
| 16:30:50 | kergoth | its in util-linux.. which conflicts with busybox |
| 16:30:52 | kergoth | iirc |
| 16:30:58 | ljp_ | ahh ok |
| 16:33:26 | kergoth | hmm |
| 16:33:26 | kergoth | Global::writeHWClock(); |
| 16:34:06 | ljp_ | moving hwclock from the Sharp Z, ran /sbin/hwclock --debug |
| 16:34:43 | ljp_ | hwclock: Open of /dev/rtc failed, errno=19: no such device |
| 16:34:50 | kergoth | no such device? hmm |
| 16:35:21 | kergoth | well wtf. |
| 16:35:25 | ljp_ | ahh |
| 16:35:32 | kergoth | ? |
| 16:35:56 | kergoth | # CONFIG_RTC is not set |
| 16:35:56 | kergoth | CONFIG_SA1100_RTC=y |
| 16:36:06 | ljp_ | according to lxt /dev/rtc on Sharp is major 10, minor 135 |
| 16:36:09 | kergoth | same as the 'collie' config in the sharp kernel sources |
| 16:36:17 | kergoth | k.. what is it in oz? |
| 16:36:23 | ljp_ | on OZ its major 135, 0 |
| 16:36:58 | kergoth | ahh! |
| 16:37:01 | kergoth | lmao |
| 16:37:11 | kergoth | I was missing a column in the device table text file for rtc |
| 16:37:13 | kergoth | smacks forehead |
| 16:37:22 | ljp_ | hehhe cool.. |
| 16:38:09 | ljp_ | knows little about /dev/* |
| 16:39:01 | kergoth | well, once thats fixed.. hwclock should work... then we need the hwclock startup script for syncing up the clock on startup/shutdown.. |
| 16:39:05 | ljp_ | do you grab the opie cvs when you build OZ? |
| 16:39:20 | ljp_ | hmm |
| 16:39:21 | kergoth | usually. beta7's opie is the same build from the previous initrd though |
| 16:39:27 | ljp_ | ahh |
| 16:39:41 | kergoth | I'll do another build for beta8 |
| 16:39:43 | ljp_ | there's fixes for sedcurity default |
| 16:39:46 | kergoth | yep i know |
| 16:39:50 | ljp_ | :D |
| 16:39:55 | kergoth | and appearance lets you change the Style by itself now |
| 16:39:56 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:40:16 | ljp_ | hmm. cool |
| 16:40:21 | kergoth | ljp_: have you ever tested out Qdm in opie? |
| 16:40:34 | ljp_ | we need to whip whardier to produce some backgrounds |
| 16:40:39 | kergoth | yeah |
| 16:40:43 | ljp_ | qdm? whats that? |
| 16:40:50 | kergoth | the login screen.. supports pam..etc |
| 16:41:04 | ljp_ | ohh.. hmm no |
| 16:41:09 | kergoth | if we actually do a login in opie, HOME and the like would actually get set properly, rather than being hardcoded in the qpe startup script |
| 16:41:12 | ljp_ | we need one |
| 16:41:29 | kergoth | well $OPIEDIR/login exists.. i'm doing a build to see if it actually functions |
| 16:41:33 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:42:02 | ljp_ | anyway I can delete or change /dev/rtc? |
| 16:42:09 | kergoth | yeah go right ahead |
| 16:42:10 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ: beep? |
| 16:42:19 | kergoth | mknod /dev/rtc c 10 135 |
| 16:42:20 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:42:30 | ljp_ | heh thanks |
| 16:42:39 | kergoth | np |
| 16:43:24 | Neo|Work | does /dev/rtc allow you to do high resolution timer stuff? As in sleeping less than 10-20 ms or what not? |
| 16:43:30 | Neo|Work | I never really looked into /dev/rtc |
| 16:44:18 | ljp_ | not sure what kind of resolution is available, I know the Sharp kernel has lineo's real time extensions |
| 16:44:20 | kergoth | cant you use usleep()? |
| 16:44:27 | kergoth | i know nothing about rtc either |
| 16:44:31 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:44:52 | Neo|Work | usleep / nanosleep etc have a minimum resolution of, I believe 10 ms |
| 16:45:01 | kergoth | ah |
| 16:45:01 | ljp_ | OZ needs a defualt "Denver" timezone.. hehehe |
| 16:45:02 | Neo|Work | or possibly even 20 ms |
| 16:45:13 | kergoth | thats not surprising really |
| 16:45:18 | kergoth | ljp_: bah... :-P |
| 16:46:20 | ljp_ | I get tired of having to find Denver |
| 16:46:38 | kergoth | that damn map pisses me off |
| 16:46:41 | kergoth | we need zoom or something |
| 16:46:49 | extremis | is tkc software worth paying for? |
| 16:47:00 | ljp_ | depends on what app |
| 16:47:06 | extremis | cal/media |
| 16:47:07 | ljp_ | I bought tkcEditor |
| 16:47:13 | kergoth | I just bought tkcMahjohnng myself |
| 16:47:34 | kergoth | I'll like their media player when it becomes available.. not buying tkcPlayer |
| 16:47:40 | kergoth | s/like their/buy their/ |
| 16:47:44 | kergoth | man i cant type today |
| 16:49:34 | ljp_ | opie needs flashing media light vu meters |
| 16:49:39 | ljp_ | :) |
| 16:49:53 | ljp_ | err opieplayer |
| 16:50:17 | Neo|Work | kergoth: the time is about 20 ms |
| 16:50:23 | Neo|Work | minimum sleep time that i |
| 16:50:24 | Neo|Work | s |
| 16:50:27 | ljp_ | kergoth: correct /dev/rtc, and hwclock resumes correctly |
| 16:51:06 | extremis | what is the diff between tkcPlayer and the 'media player' |
| 16:51:07 | kergoth | ljp_: sweet :-) |
| 16:51:09 | ljp_ | I declare OZ is now usable! |
| 16:51:16 | kergoth | extremis: video support... etc |
| 16:51:31 | extremis | ahhh |
| 16:51:34 | hunger | What's wrong with OZ's /dev/rtc? |
| 16:51:37 | extremis | tkcplayer won't support it? |
| 16:51:38 | ljp_ | let me try an extended suspend... |
| 16:51:39 | Neo|Work | the main problem with that (on linux in general) is that it's hard to write code which maintains a certain FPS without busywaiting |
| 16:51:42 | kergoth | i should add some new card entries to the included wlan-ng.conf |
| 16:51:51 | kergoth | hunger: its major/minor is fucked... typo in the device table text file |
| 16:52:05 | ljp_ | and there's no hwclock binary, yet |
| 16:52:05 | kergoth | hunger: rm /dev/rtc && mknod /dev/rtc c 10 135; |
| 16:52:09 | kergoth | yeah |
| 16:52:13 | kergoth | I'll be adding that to the buildsystem shortly |
| 16:52:31 | extremis | I should build myself a custom image with tkc elements |
| 16:52:37 | ljp_ | 1 bug down.. 24 to go |
| 16:52:39 | extremis | and remove the qpe media player |
| 16:52:49 | kergoth | extremis: just load oz3 and change it |
| 16:52:50 | extremis | and cal |
| 16:52:54 | kergoth | extremis: writable rootfs has its advantages |
| 16:52:56 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:52:59 | kergoth | ljp_: hehe. woot |
| 16:53:00 | hunger | kergoth: Thanks! |
| 16:53:00 | extremis | really? |
| 16:53:01 | extremis | woh |
| 16:53:45 | ljp_ | whats a #define for x86? |
| 16:54:09 | kergoth | ? for architecture specific code blocks? |
| 16:54:30 | extremis | heh interesting |
| 16:54:40 | hunger | Does sysinfo->CPU actually work? |
| 16:54:43 | extremis | its asking for "a storage medium..." but it won't let me select "Yes" |
| 16:55:00 | ljp_ | nm,I'lljust useipaqandebx |
| 16:55:12 | hunger | I never saw the red line go up, even while the Z got extremly hot because I asked it to do calculations. |
| 16:55:12 | kergoth | extremis: ? did you start opie for the first time with a CF card installed? |
| 16:55:13 | ljp_ | mythumbs don't work today |
| 16:55:17 | extremis | yes |
| 16:55:19 | kergoth | ljp_: hehe. you need spaces. |
| 16:55:29 | kergoth | extremis: pop the card, soft reset. |
| 16:55:33 | extremis | :) |
| 16:55:35 | kergoth | extremis: known bug |
| 16:55:41 | kergoth | re killefiz |
| 16:55:41 | extremis | ok |
| 16:57:21 | hunger | kergoth: I can't build the kernel anymore:-( |
| 16:57:23 | ljp_ | kergoth: I need better thumbs |
| 16:57:33 | kergoth | hunger: ? |
| 16:57:34 | hunger | kergoth: It stops with an error in af_irda :-( |
| 16:58:04 | kergoth | hunger: oh, i forgot about that.. sorry.. someone obviously backported a driver and left in a MODULE_LICENSE.. which i dont think was available in 2.4.6 |
| 16:58:11 | kergoth | hunger: just comment out the MODULE_LICENSE line in that c file |
| 16:58:41 | kergoth | hunger: I'll add another patch to the system for the kernel builds |
| 16:59:18 | hunger | kergoth: Thanks for the tip! |
| 16:59:24 | kergoth | hunger: np |
| 17:02:44 | kergoth | I need to put an area on http://openzaurus.sf.net/ which outlines current known issues and any applicable workarounds for the current build |
| 17:03:02 | kergoth | e.g. the /dev/rtc problem.. i wouldnt want to fix that in an ipk, as they arent owned by packages.. |
| 17:13:04 | ljp_ | heads to SF to find other OZ bugs to tackle |
| 17:13:18 | kergoth | keyclick/touchclick/alarmsounds |
| 17:13:29 | ljp_ | hmmmya that's right |
| 17:13:30 | kergoth | ;-) |
| 17:13:41 | ljp_ | probab;y a wrong device |
| 17:13:46 | ljp_ | heh |
| 17:14:23 | ljp_ | isntthat /deb/buzz or something? |
| 17:14:32 | ljp_ | Imean /dev/ |
| 17:14:40 | kergoth | /dev/sharp_buz iirc |
| 17:15:45 | ljp_ | they should have named it /dev/good_buz |
| 17:15:50 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:17:12 | ljp_ | actually, its a software thing, cause I can make it do stuff |
| 17:17:20 | ljp_ | hmmmpft |
| 17:17:47 | kergoth | hmm.. something with opie then? I built with -DQT_QWS_CUSTOM and custom.h -> custom-sharp.h |
| 17:19:30 | ljp_ | hmm bbl |
| 17:31:17 | scanline | is back (gone 09:41:35) |
| 17:38:38 | Com[Plex] | weeee |
| 17:44:17 | Com[Plex] | any new apps released tofday? :> |
| 17:45:39 | benmeyer | not that I know of yet |
| 17:45:48 | benmeyer | zsi would be the first to know |
| 17:48:14 | scanline | is away: class |
| 17:52:51 | Mr__X | hi dauxx ... |
| 17:54:52 | Com[Plex] | whats this "zaurus terminal" that was added to killefiz's site yesterday? |
| 17:57:33 | benmeyer | The default terminal that comes on the cd |
| 17:57:47 | benmeyer | i.e. from myzaurus.com downloads page |
| 17:59:33 | Neo|Work | I really need to officially release Eligo 1.0 and SA 1.8.2 |
| 17:59:45 | Neo|Work | should make myself do it tonight |
| 18:00:19 | Neo|Work | is away: mtg |
| 18:04:35 | benmeyer | What is the syntax for the if(a?b)s or something like that? |
| 18:06:29 | JasonNJ | I've just uploaded the original 5500 ROM image download info to ZaurusZone and the Zaurus-general list , for those of you who want to return back to the factory rom. |
| 18:08:37 | killefiz | JasonNJ: Do you have access to the german rom-image? |
| 18:10:23 | JasonNJ | killefiz: nope. |
| 18:10:34 | JasonNJ | sharp usa isnt allowed to support that stuff. |
| 18:10:40 | JasonNJ | you gotta go to sharp germany for that. |
| 18:10:45 | killefiz | i'll try to |
| 18:10:56 | JasonNJ | eventually we will have it on the developer site |
| 18:11:02 | killefiz | sharp germany has launced a developer program today |
| 18:11:03 | warmi | will this image for work 5000D users ?? :-) |
| 18:11:05 | JasonNJ | as we are supposed to be supporting international devleopers |
| 18:11:08 | JasonNJ | warmi: no |
| 18:11:23 | warmi | yeah, that's what I thought |
| 18:11:23 | JasonNJ | however |
| 18:11:24 | warmi | heh |
| 18:11:52 | JasonNJ | an enterprising person could theoretically loop mount the filesystem and peice together stuff from it onto the 5000D images. |
| 18:12:01 | JasonNJ | theoretically. |
| 18:12:05 | dauxxx | killefiz, im still searching for 550g roms too :-) |
| 18:12:33 | killefiz | dauxxx: lets see what sharp germany does |
| 18:12:53 | killefiz | they offer a discounted zaurus to developers now |
| 18:13:04 | JasonNJ | really? |
| 18:13:09 | JasonNJ | germany does? |
| 18:13:12 | JasonNJ | how many euros? |
| 18:13:15 | dauxxx | 2 for 1 :-) |
| 18:13:28 | JasonNJ | youre kidding |
| 18:13:30 | killefiz | plus you can get a zaurus from their zaurus pool for two weeks to check it's fits the needs of your application |
| 18:13:45 | JasonNJ | can you email me that information? |
| 18:13:50 | killefiz | JasonNJ: I don't know. There is supposed to be a pdf document on the site but I can't find it |
| 18:13:50 | warmi | hmm .. I wonder how one is supposed to "prove" that he/she is a developer hehe |
| 18:13:52 | JasonNJ | the german text? |
| 18:14:14 | killefiz | http://www.zaurus.de/SharpServiceArea/Infoware/Entwicklerinformation/www_index?m=/ |
| 18:14:52 | killefiz | dauxxx: can you load the pdf file on zaurus.de? |
| 18:15:09 | dauxxx | for privat user: 472 euro |
| 18:15:18 | dauxxx | i just read the pdf file |
| 18:15:44 | Mr__X | killefiz: register/login as user at www.zaurus.de enable only downloads ... |
| 18:15:50 | killefiz | ahh ... |
| 18:15:55 | dauxxx | http://www.trisoft.de/zdev.htm |
| 18:15:59 | killefiz | anyway i found the pdf at trisoft.de |
| 18:16:08 | dauxxx | diesem Dokument enthaltene Formular |
| 18:16:12 | dauxxx | sorry is in german |
| 18:16:24 | Mr__X | killefiz: join the zaurus.de at irc.freenet.de ... many german zaurus users ... |
| 18:16:27 | dauxxx | man if you follow this link , you can downlaod a pdf file |
| 18:16:29 | killefiz | damn ... i payed 50 EUR more |
| 18:16:48 | killefiz | running the zsi should be enough to get a discounted Z |
| 18:16:56 | JasonNJ | so the bottom line is that it is two for the price of one? |
| 18:17:12 | killefiz | JasonNJ: No, standard price is 699 EUR |
| 18:17:15 | dauxxx | only for company not for private user |
| 18:17:23 | JasonNJ | ah |
| 18:17:34 | JasonNJ | how much is 472 euros in USD? |
| 18:18:08 | killefiz | try yahoo ... probably around 430 US$ |
| 18:18:11 | JasonNJ | but effectively it is more than a 200 euro discount |
| 18:18:20 | JasonNJ | like 225 euros |
| 18:18:41 | warmi | 421 |
| 18:18:52 | warmi | that's cheap |
| 18:19:03 | killefiz | JasonNJ: there are some websites that sell the Z for 618 EUR but basically - yes |
| 18:19:44 | JasonNJ | so the zaurus is more expensive in europe in general then |
| 18:19:49 | JasonNJ | than in the us |
| 18:19:58 | dauxxx | this is the first time a hear a person outside germany say that a gadget is cheap :-) |
| 18:20:00 | warmi | but then again ,.. in US one can buy the Zaurus for $440 without any discounts |
| 18:20:17 | killefiz | i think it's only available in germany, uk and switzerland |
| 18:20:36 | JasonNJ | we are looking at doing some type of discount to developers |
| 18:20:40 | JasonNJ | not sure what it will be yet |
| 18:21:34 | killefiz | dauxxx: what do you mean by only for company not for private user? |
| 18:21:52 | killefiz | it's always 472 EUR in the pdf for me |
| 18:24:17 | kergoth | re |
| 18:25:48 | kergoth | hunger: fyi, I'm fixing the method template in the buildsystem a bit.. allowing propogation of Provides, Conflicts, Description, etc from the .mk |
| 18:26:50 | Com[Plex] | JasonNJ : "loop mount the file system" how? |
| 18:27:25 | warmi | standard price is 699 EUR which is $623 .. a $125+ more for the same product ... must be some sort of tax or something |
| 18:27:37 | JasonNJ | Com[Plex]: you can mount the image on your Linux PC. |
| 18:28:02 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: paul, the guy that did the sd-on-home rom documented it. fairly simple process |
| 18:28:08 | JasonNJ | thats how Kergoth produced the original OpenZaurus and how Paul Flinders made his ROM |
| 18:28:12 | kergoth | yep exactly |
| 18:29:32 | Com[Plex] | jason: "[14:23] <JasonNJ> we are looking at doing some type of discount to developers" do you work for sharp? |
| 18:30:34 | JasonNJ | Com[Plex]: as a consultant, yes. |
| 18:30:40 | alphablue | teenage mutant female gwar |
| 18:30:40 | Com[Plex] | ahh. |
| 18:30:46 | JasonNJ | I am a pseudo-employee. |
| 18:30:49 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 00:30:27) |
| 18:30:50 | JasonNJ | as is Ben Meyer |
| 18:31:06 | Com[Plex] | well, if they offer a discount for developers, I might just get myself a 5500 after all!! :> |
| 18:31:07 | alphablue | jason: where in nj are u ? i live in edison |
| 18:31:12 | JasonNJ | I am but a very small cog in the massive wheel that is the Zaurus. |
| 18:31:15 | Com[Plex] | OOOOH |
| 18:31:35 | Com[Plex] | I like my 5000, but Id like to have a 5500 |
| 18:31:38 | JasonNJ | alphablue: I live in Tenafly, Sharp is in Mahwah |
| 18:31:38 | alphablue | same here, i'll upgrade to 5500 my 5000 looks beaten up :) |
| 18:31:51 | Com[Plex] | hehe |
| 18:31:54 | alphablue | ahh north of me right ? |
| 18:31:55 | Neo|Work | sugar how much is 472 euros in USD |
| 18:31:57 | Sugar | 472 EUR is 415.49295 US$ |
| 18:31:59 | JasonNJ | you 5000 owners should wait until the next model |
| 18:32:01 | JasonNJ | which is this summer |
| 18:32:11 | alphablue | what's gonna be in it ? |
| 18:32:17 | JasonNJ | cant say. |
| 18:32:20 | killefiz | i hope a better battery |
| 18:32:33 | Com[Plex] | me too! |
| 18:32:34 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 18:32:36 | Com[Plex] | cant say why? |
| 18:32:41 | dauxxx | round about 472 Euro = 419.608 US Dollar |
| 18:32:44 | JasonNJ | cause it isnt announced yet! |
| 18:32:48 | alphablue | i've been covertly going to best buy and helping customers decide on the zaurus :) |
| 18:33:01 | alphablue | jason: so announce it now |
| 18:33:03 | alphablue | :) |
| 18:33:22 | JasonNJ | assume that it is better |
| 18:33:22 | alphablue | and when this summer, i might be relocated to australia by end of june |
| 18:33:32 | Com[Plex] | man, why dont they use LEDS to back light the screens in thesE? less power consumption, and just as bright, - all they would have to do is make a little row of white SMLEDs aloing the sides where the cathode is. |
| 18:34:05 | Com[Plex] | the difuser would work the same |
| 18:34:09 | Com[Plex] | wouldnt take anything else. |
| 18:34:36 | Com[Plex] | - ya know. I might just have to get a stack of white smleds and test that theorty with an old laptop difuser |
| 18:35:45 | Neo|Work | heh |
| 18:36:12 | Com[Plex] | gotta look online for that. |
| 18:39:04 | Com[Plex] | BINGO |
| 18:58:30 | Twiun | rehi |
| 18:58:56 | JasonNJ | whazza. |
| 18:59:12 | Twiun | Loads and loads ;-) |
| 18:59:27 | kergoth | hey Twiun |
| 18:59:32 | Twiun | well... not really... still plodding along putting content into my site |
| 18:59:39 | Twiun | hey kergoth |
| 18:59:59 | kergoth | Twiun: fun fun |
| 19:00:08 | Twiun | kergoth: had a look-see? |
| 19:00:14 | kergoth | Twiun: nope, url? |
| 19:00:28 | Twiun | adorphuye.com |
| 19:00:36 | Twiun | specifically the java faq section ;-) |
| 19:00:46 | kergoth | thats a mouthful |
| 19:00:47 | kergoth | k, ill take a look |
| 19:01:10 | Twiun | kergoth: That's intentional... that way there NO possible way I'm infringing ;-) |
| 19:02:24 | kergoth | ah :-) |
| 19:02:56 | Twiun | I don't think my content will always be hosted on my box... eventually it'll probably integrated elsewhere |
| 19:03:07 | ljp_ | kergoth: define CUSTOM_SOUND_KEYCLICK and CUSTOM_SOUND_TOUCH ?? |
| 19:03:09 | Twiun | but for now, it's useful to have it locally |
| 19:03:19 | kergoth | ljp_: arent those defined in custom-sharp.h? |
| 19:03:35 | ljp_ | and CUSTOM_SOUND_ALARM |
| 19:03:42 | kergoth | yeah |
| 19:03:52 | ljp_ | alarm is |
| 19:04:27 | kergoth | ack... |
| 19:04:29 | kergoth | shit shit |
| 19:04:33 | ljp_ | maybe custom-sharp.h isn't as upto date as it should be |
| 19:04:45 | kergoth | lets grab the latest one from qpe cvs... compare |
| 19:04:51 | kergoth | see if theirs is old too |
| 19:04:56 | ljp_ | hang on got it right here |
| 19:05:48 | kergoth | ljp_: we can always add CUSTOM_SOUND_KEYCLICK and CUSTOM_SOUND_TOUCH.. easy enough.. its what i did for my early qtopia builds before sharp released custom-sharp.h .. .i created one using the macros in sharp_buz.h |
| 19:05:51 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:05:53 | kergoth | k |
| 19:05:55 | kergoth | re mark |
| 19:06:25 | ljp_ | same size |
| 19:06:35 | kergoth | hmm |
| 19:06:36 | JasonNJ | http://java.sun.com/products/cdc/ |
| 19:06:43 | kergoth | hah.. did you read their implementation of the memory alerts? amusing |
| 19:06:46 | JasonNJ | anyone try to compile this for the Z yet? |
| 19:07:55 | ljp_ | kergoth: we'll also have to define those keyclicks functions.. but its nothing really |
| 19:08:21 | Twiun | JasonNJ: was that link for me? |
| 19:08:26 | ljp_ | kergoth: look in desktop.cpp line 747 |
| 19:08:32 | JasonNJ | ya |
| 19:08:44 | Twiun | Oooer |
| 19:08:45 | mark | hi kergoth |
| 19:09:13 | mark | think i've got a qt/e bug here :( |
| 19:09:45 | ljp_ | kergoth: I can add them, of you don't want too |
| 19:10:00 | Twiun | JasonNJ: Getting hold of it now |
| 19:10:10 | scanline | is back (gone 01:21:56) |
| 19:12:39 | Twiun | benmeyer: ping |
| 19:13:17 | ljp_ | bbl |
| 19:18:31 | Twiun | JasonNJ: Hrmm... I'll read through the docs to see if I can xcompile it |
| 19:27:43 | Twiun | Anyone use the generic mapping tools before? |
| 19:27:51 | Twiun | s/use/used/ |
| 19:28:13 | mark | nope |
| 19:28:34 | benmeyer | apt seen BigBoss |
| 19:28:55 | Twiun | hey ben - go to my site, get the source for that SSI stuff |
| 19:30:01 | benmeyer | Twiun: where was it? |
| 19:30:08 | benmeyer | too many bookmarks :) |
| 19:30:13 | Twiun | Bah ;-) |
| 19:30:17 | Twiun | adorphuye.com |
| 19:30:21 | Twiun | the link is on the main page |
| 19:30:29 | benmeyer | sorry |
| 19:30:33 | Twiun | you'll have to get the images yourself though ;-) |
| 19:30:38 | benmeyer | np |
| 19:31:36 | Twiun | btw... ben, jason, if you get java questions in the mail... could you bounce a few my way? |
| 19:31:46 | Twiun | that way I can fill the faq with more stuff |
| 19:32:24 | killefiz | i have added an rdf-file of the zsi at killefiz.de/backend/zsi.rdf - latest z-apps on _your_ site now ;) |
| 19:32:41 | Twiun | killefiz: Oooo |
| 19:33:06 | killefiz | how do I get it as a box on slashdot? |
| 19:33:32 | Twiun | killefiz: hrmmm... url not found |
| 19:33:45 | treke | killefiz : You email someone there. Check the preference pages |
| 19:33:50 | killefiz | oups .. sorry killefiz.de/zaurus/backend/zsi.rdf |
| 19:34:45 | Twiun | Cool... I'll integrate it into my site sometime this week ;-) |
| 19:35:06 | Twiun | _after_ I get this frigging mapping stuff working |
| 19:36:48 | treke | killefiz : pater@slashdot.org |
| 19:37:21 | killefiz | treke: thanks |
| 19:40:25 | JasonNJ | twiun send me a quick email with your contact info |
| 19:40:29 | JasonNJ | perlowj@sharpsec.com |
| 19:41:53 | Twiun | will do |
| 19:43:21 | Twiun | incoming |
| 19:45:04 | kergoth | ljp |
| 19:45:13 | kergoth | ljp: are they defined in teh qtopia custom.h for sharp? |
| 19:47:33 | scanline | is away: class |
| 19:47:44 | ljp | kergoth: they are now |
| 19:47:52 | ljp | :) |
| 19:48:14 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:48:16 | kergoth | added them i take it? |
| 19:48:17 | ljp | hopefully that was all that was it |
| 19:48:21 | ljp | yes |
| 19:48:32 | kergoth | do any of the other SHARP_BUZ values actually work? |
| 19:48:32 | ljp | came home for lunch to commit |
| 19:48:48 | ljp | no.. there's only 3 |
| 19:48:59 | kergoth | thats lame. |
| 19:49:05 | kergoth | they tease ya with macros.. |
| 19:49:06 | kergoth | #define SHARP_BUZ_GOT_PHONE_CALL 13 |
| 19:49:08 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:49:14 | kergoth | bastards |
| 19:49:30 | kergoth | I'll do a new opie build, and make a new initrd with the updated opie + fixed /dev/rtc + hwclock |
| 19:49:47 | ljp | we _could_ hack ot the buzzer code in the kernel and make up our own.. :) |
| 19:49:50 | treke | jumps for joy |
| 19:50:02 | kergoth | ljp: yeah thats on my long term todo list.. along with fixing up the audio driver :-P |
| 19:50:25 | ljp | kergoth: wait until I get vmemo and sound settings committed, please |
| 19:50:31 | kergoth | ljp: k |
| 19:50:49 | kergoth | ljp: I'll work on some of the other minor bugs in the meantime |
| 19:51:02 | ljp | ok |
| 19:51:38 | kergoth | does mediummountgui still hang opie if you start it with a CF in initially? |
| 19:52:33 | ljp | lemme check.. |
| 19:53:03 | Com[Plex] | hey kergoth, - think you could modify the volume control widget to include a brtightnes slider? |
| 19:53:21 | Com[Plex] | that would rule. :> |
| 19:53:36 | ljp | why would the volume applet have a brightness? |
| 19:53:39 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:53:44 | kergoth | we'd be better off with a new applet |
| 19:53:48 | kergoth | would be easy enough |
| 19:54:04 | kergoth | but at this rate my taskbar is being filled up with applets *g* |
| 19:54:21 | Com[Plex] | I hate it when I start up my Z in full daylight, and cant tell if the screen s off. - I press and hole the menu button, but I never know if I hit it at the wrong time, or if I dont holld it long enyugh. then IU get all the way to work, <listening to mp3s> and find out it was on the whole time. |
| 19:54:28 | ljp | kergoth: I just rebooted, and it didn't hang.. but the background is now tiled |
| 19:54:31 | Com[Plex] | battery = teensy |
| 19:54:53 | ljp | I'll add that to battery maybe.. |
| 19:55:07 | Com[Plex] | but if you could combine the sound app with the brightness app, one icon.. - I think that would rule |
| 19:55:13 | Com[Plex] | why would it be harder? |
| 19:55:18 | kergoth | ljp: hmm... iI wonder if we need to remove the .opiewhatever from the card, and then reboot with the card in |
| 19:55:34 | ljp | I just did that |
| 19:55:40 | ljp | didn't hang. |
| 19:55:41 | Com[Plex] | Oh yeah, add it to the battery, that would work too! :> |
| 19:55:59 | Com[Plex] | I got a hella delay form here. vncing from laggy assed connection at work. |
| 19:56:28 | Twiun | Com[Plex]: couldn't you ssh and use a text-mode irc client? |
| 19:56:38 | kergoth | re |
| 19:56:42 | whardier | re |
| 19:56:44 | ljp | heh |
| 19:59:17 | kergoth | whardier: after changing something in wlan-ng.opts.. what do you need to do to cause it to take effect? call wlan-ng stop and start? |
| 19:59:26 | whardier | reload pcmcia |
| 19:59:27 | JasonNJ | ok |
| 19:59:33 | JasonNJ | AIM wwwresources |
| 19:59:39 | whardier | /ect/init.d/S01pcmcia stop/start |
| 19:59:43 | whardier | or however it is in OX |
| 19:59:45 | whardier | OZ |
| 19:59:46 | kergoth | whardier: ah, k |
| 20:00:19 | whardier | I am gonna get all you guys on the m-bone if it kills me |
| 20:00:35 | kergoth | hah |
| 20:00:37 | kergoth | any progress? |
| 20:00:42 | whardier | soo clooose |
| 20:00:54 | whardier | trying to tap it in to an ATM router I have elsewhere |
| 20:01:06 | whardier | and I don't understand mrouted for the life of me |
| 20:01:47 | kergoth | OZ 3 is down to 22 bugs.. a number of which are against the buildsystem not the distribution.. |
| 20:01:50 | kergoth | and I'm about to close 3 |
| 20:01:50 | kergoth | woot |
| 20:01:59 | JasonNJ | wow only 22 |
| 20:02:10 | kergoth | getting there :-) |
| 20:02:20 | kergoth | most of the remaining ones are minor |
| 20:02:36 | kergoth | I'm curious to see how far tille has gotten in making oipkg work with ipkg/C |
| 20:06:55 | BigBoss | jason: you read this? |
| 20:06:56 | BigBoss | http://www.jabber.com/news/release_042402.shtml |
| 20:08:24 | JasonNJ | trying to open it |
| 20:08:26 | JasonNJ | hold a sec |
| 20:08:53 | JasonNJ | holy snikeys. |
| 20:08:57 | JasonNJ | they talking to you at all? |
| 20:11:53 | oswald_ | Good evening |
| 20:12:38 | BigBoss | jason: no they aren't |
| 20:12:41 | BigBoss | which I find odd |
| 20:16:08 | Twiun | killefiz: ping |
| 20:16:18 | killefiz | yup |
| 20:16:28 | Twiun | your rdf... it's not well formed ;-) |
| 20:16:43 | killefiz | hmm ... where is the problem? |
| 20:16:44 | Twiun | only the last item is terminated |
| 20:17:16 | killefiz | oups ... fixed |
| 20:17:19 | killefiz | thanks |
| 20:17:36 | Twiun | No. no, my sax parser thanks you! |
| 20:17:40 | Twiun | grins |
| 20:17:59 | dauxxx | it's well xml form :-) |
| 20:18:37 | Twiun | There we go... new cron job and bare bones xml parser |
| 20:18:46 | Twiun | now to change the presentation |
| 20:19:21 | dauxxx | and human readable :-) |
| 20:20:32 | Twiun | welll... almost ;-) |
| 20:20:49 | killefiz | almost well formed or almost readable? ;) |
| 20:21:01 | Twiun | Hehe, readable... my output that is |
| 20:22:46 | dauxxx | killefiz: you can make it as a sidebar for e.g mozilla :-) |
| 20:22:51 | Neo|Work | Twiun: thought you said "sex parser" there for a while |
| 20:23:10 | killefiz | dauxxx: if you tell me how |
| 20:23:16 | Twiun | Neo|Work: Hehe, dirty minds think alike! |
| 20:24:01 | dauxxx | e.g www.golem.de |
| 20:26:25 | killefiz | dauxxx: I have to have a logo first |
| 20:26:56 | dauxxx | what a logo ?? |
| 20:27:06 | kergoth | oipkg is looking good... |
| 20:27:10 | killefiz | for the software index |
| 20:27:53 | killefiz | what about this one: http://www.lizard.com/pics/lizard.gif |
| 20:28:32 | dauxxx | this lizard is not nice |
| 20:29:02 | benmeyer | What would be the regexp for space or tab "[ \t]"? |
| 20:29:22 | Twiun | [\ |\t] no? |
| 20:29:37 | kergoth | you dont need to escape a space inside of a [], iirc |
| 20:29:42 | kergoth | shouldnt need to anyway |
| 20:29:53 | Twiun | cool |
| 20:30:00 | benmeyer | so just \ |\t? |
| 20:30:26 | arno | you can be literal as well. [ ] |
| 20:34:18 | benmeyer | |\t doesn't work |
| 20:34:50 | kergoth | benmeyer: in what context? perl? regex.h? QRegexp? |
| 20:34:59 | arno | a literal space tab inside a character class will work |
| 20:35:00 | benmeyer | QRegexp |
| 20:35:28 | kergoth | arno: indeed |
| 20:35:41 | benmeyer | such as? |
| 20:35:54 | benmeyer | sorry for the lack of skills in regexp |
| 20:35:59 | kergoth | benmeyer: he just did it... look up |
| 20:36:22 | benmeyer | oh |
| 20:36:30 | benmeyer | haha I thought that was a bunch of spaces |
| 20:36:31 | benmeyer | nm |
| 20:36:34 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:36:38 | kergoth | so did i at first :-) |
| 20:51:06 | dauxxx | cu |
| 20:51:22 | arno | cu -d |
| 20:51:36 | arno | much more informative |
| 20:52:07 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:58:38 | whardier | *heart* cu |
| 20:58:50 | kergoth | pfft. i prefer tip |
| 20:58:51 | kergoth | :-) |
| 20:59:04 | kergoth | we're down to 20 bugs in OZ |
| 20:59:09 | whardier | sweet |
| 20:59:16 | whardier | I am down to 3 bottles of beer |
| 20:59:26 | ljp_ | today is bug kill day I guess |
| 20:59:29 | kergoth | and 3 of them are issues with postinst scripts in familiar packages... thats an easy fix.. |
| 20:59:33 | kergoth | ljp_: no kidding.... |
| 21:00:35 | whardier | is taking a vacation before going on vacation |
| 21:00:43 | whardier | well |
| 21:00:47 | whardier | going to alaska |
| 21:00:49 | whardier | then hawaii |
| 21:00:50 | whardier | then alaska |
| 21:00:52 | whardier | then home |
| 21:00:53 | whardier | :O |
| 21:00:59 | whardier | 3 wireless network installs |
| 21:01:01 | whardier | 14 days |
| 21:01:04 | whardier | :( |
| 21:01:12 | whardier | is gonna have to be the little choo choo that could |
| 21:01:27 | kergoth | heh... have fun |
| 21:01:32 | kergoth | needs to learn more wireless shit |
| 21:01:32 | whardier | its gonna be hell |
| 21:01:42 | whardier | the people I have helping me are a bunch of fucking kids |
| 21:01:48 | kergoth | hah.. wonderful |
| 21:01:52 | whardier | I know I am a kid.. but I am a kid in the tech world |
| 21:01:56 | whardier | these are kids in the fishing world |
| 21:02:14 | kergoth | hehe. kid is relative. I know people older than i am who are kids |
| 21:02:37 | whardier | yeah |
| 21:03:17 | whardier | actually |
| 21:03:19 | whardier | do me another favor |
| 21:03:26 | whardier | err |
| 21:03:27 | whardier | nevermind |
| 21:03:29 | whardier | :P |
| 21:16:56 | hunger | kergoth: vi is still broken. |
| 21:17:05 | kergoth | hunger: yep, i know. havent had time to dig into it |
| 21:17:07 | hunger | kergoth: I just upgraded busybox. |
| 21:17:13 | kergoth | hunger: the new busybox just Provides gzip |
| 21:17:24 | kergoth | hunger: to fix the dependency in opie-qpdf |
| 21:17:28 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:17:39 | hunger | kergoth: Thanks for the info:-) |
| 21:17:46 | kergoth | np |
| 21:18:11 | kergoth | Provides and friends propogate now as you probably saw when i closed the bugs.. so I'll be fixing some control files |
| 21:18:12 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:18:47 | hunger | kergoth: Cool. |
| 21:24:16 | hunger | kergoth: I need to find some more bugs for you to fix:-) |
| 21:24:32 | kergoth | hunger: hehe |
| 21:24:43 | kergoth | hunger: ben wrote a wlan config tool that'll be in the next initrd |
| 21:25:40 | hunger | kergoth: Please add the ipks to the stream too! |
| 21:25:56 | kergoth | hunger: of course. I always keep the feed up to date with the initrds :-) |
| 21:26:05 | hunger | kergoth: I don't want to reflash as my own work will be lost, but I definitly want to keep up to date. |
| 21:26:26 | hunger | kergoth: I'll have to make up bags if I can't ;-) |
| 21:26:37 | kergoth | thats one of he major nice features of oz3.. i dont plan on removing that feature :-) |
| 21:27:24 | hunger | kergoth: My clock still keeps going out of sync, aven after changing /dev/rtc. Am I missing something? |
| 21:27:47 | hunger | has not seen hwclock... is that missing? |
| 21:27:49 | ljp_ | hwclock |
| 21:27:57 | kergoth | yep |
| 21:28:05 | kergoth | its in util-linux, but that conflicts with busybox |
| 21:28:11 | hunger | ljp_: Where did you get ut? |
| 21:28:11 | kergoth | so I'll be adding it to the system shortly |
| 21:28:28 | ljp_ | I copied it from the Sharp rom |
| 21:28:38 | hunger | kergoth: OK: I'll eagerly await it then. |
| 21:28:58 | hunger | kergoth: And I'll shut up now so I don't keep you of your work. |
| 21:30:02 | hunger | Arg! I'm falling behind! |
| 21:40:22 | | feed is a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus |
| 21:40:22 | kergoth | ibot: feed? |
| 21:42:06 | LarryGarfield | wb |
| 22:17:17 | sitruC | hello people |
| 22:17:50 | denix | hi there |
| 22:53:45 | kergoth | quiet chan |
| 22:53:49 | kergoth | wake up people |
| 22:53:49 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:54:12 | sitruC | lurks |
| 22:54:20 | benmeyer | Time to go home and sleep |
| 22:54:22 | benmeyer | long day |
| 22:54:28 | hunger | kergoth: I'm patching your OZ scripts;-) |
| 22:54:29 | benmeyer | see you all tomarrow |
| 22:54:34 | kergoth | ttyl ben |
| 22:55:00 | kergoth | hunger: ahh.. cool :-) |
| 22:55:03 | hunger | kergoth: I want it to replace certain strings while patching files. |
| 22:55:35 | bewmIES | wakes up |
| 22:55:37 | hunger | kergoth: So that you can use OZ_BUILD_DIR in the patches instead of hardcoding *your* directories into the patch. |
| 22:55:45 | kergoth | ah.. I want to somehow seperate patches that are OZ specific (e.g. for our default ipkg.conf) from patches that are general functionality adds |
| 22:56:33 | kergoth | hunger: hehe. the only patches that do that is wlan-ng... and I override them with command line anyway ;-) but thats an interesting idea |
| 22:57:42 | hunger | kergoth: you might override them, but it still will not build for me since it checks for the existance of those dirs during configure. |
| 23:06:06 | bewmIES | WAKIE BEN |
| 23:06:10 | bewmIES | err, wrong widnow :) |
| 23:06:13 | bewmIES | goes back to /query |
| 23:06:17 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:06:41 | kergoth | bewmIES: fyi network settings app should be able to set up the networking for the cf lan/wlan cards.. it alters network.opts |
| 23:07:05 | bewmIES | cool |
| 23:07:37 | ljp | man, I really hate vfat dosfs |
| 23:08:19 | ljp | wwweeeeeeeee.. roller coaster ride!!! |
| 23:08:47 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:08:48 | kergoth | fun fun |
| 23:10:27 | hunger | kergoth: Works for me now. Do you want the diff? |
| 23:10:28 | ljp | ya about as much fun as having to maunally fix dos fs |
| 23:10:52 | kergoth | hunger: email it to me, i'll check it out |
| 23:11:05 | kergoth | hunger: fyi, ben's wlansetup app is in opie cvs, i'll build an ipk and toss to the feed for ya |
| 23:11:33 | kergoth | gah ive got a headache |
| 23:11:34 | kergoth | i hate that. |
| 23:11:37 | kergoth | grumbles |
| 23:18:37 | hunger | kergoth: The patch is in the mail. |
| 23:18:45 | kergoth | hunger: k, great |
| 23:18:46 | hunger | kergoth: ...and I'm in my bed. |
| 23:18:54 | kergoth | night, sleep well |
| 23:20:15 | bewmIES | Silly, it's only 7:30! |
| 23:20:21 | bewmIES | is an ignorant American. |
| 23:20:55 | hunger | bewmIES: I guess introducing the concept of the earth being round and stuff is not worth the trouble then;-) |
| 23:21:43 | kergoth | down to 18 bugs |
| 23:32:32 | bewmIES | What? The earth is round? |
| 23:32:35 | bewmIES | :) |
| 23:39:59 | sitruC | bah |
| 23:40:02 | sitruC | it's flat |
| 23:44:51 | bewmIES | You tell 'em |
| 23:57:19 | LarryGarfield | I see the channel has been active tonight..... |
| 23:59:28 | nasa | sacrism will get you no where |
