| 00:00:01 | Gepeto | how much does it cost? |
| 00:00:09 | ljp-- | at least now textedit is usable, imho |
| 00:00:15 | ljp-- | tkcEditor? |
| 00:00:17 | Gepeto | yeah |
| 00:00:33 | ljp-- | I think tkcEditor is $15 or something |
| 00:01:15 | Gepeto | |
| 00:01:17 | Gepeto | err ok |
| 00:01:58 | ljp-- | you get free updates |
| 00:02:25 | Gepeto | anyone knows stuff about snort? |
| 00:26:38 | bewmIES | What about it? |
| 00:27:09 | Gepeto | bewmIES: bah I'm just looking at it |
| 00:27:18 | Gepeto | I was wondering what in the config could cause it to not start |
| 00:27:28 | Gepeto | I start it, then the init script thinks it's still started but it's not |
| 00:27:33 | Gepeto | so I zap and start and no good either |
| 00:27:37 | Gepeto | I'll look at the logs ;) |
| 00:28:02 | bewmIES | Take a look at where you're telling it to log. |
| 00:28:10 | bewmIES | It will not start if the log directory doesn't exist |
| 00:28:11 | Gepeto | yeah since it didn't log anything hehe |
| 00:28:22 | bewmIES | daemon $SNORTHOME/sbin/snort -u snort -g snort -d -D \ |
| 00:28:22 | bewmIES | -i $INTERFACE -l log -A fast \ |
| 00:28:22 | bewmIES | -t $SNORTHOME -c /etc/snort.conf |
| 00:28:30 | bewmIES | I call it like that (we chroot it) |
| 00:41:43 | NeoTron | evening |
| 00:41:50 | Gepeto | neotron :) |
| 00:52:20 | warmi | NeoTron: hows your Eligo ? ready for the final submission ? |
| 00:52:34 | NeoTron | not quite done |
| 00:52:55 | NeoTron | but my dev version is greatly improved to the current beta. :P |
| 00:53:06 | NeoTron | working on cancy cruncher currently |
| 00:53:59 | warmi | right |
| 00:54:13 | warmi | what are you missing ? |
| 00:54:19 | warmi | it seems quite complete to me |
| 00:56:20 | warmi | hell, I thought zauruszone gotten better recently but today, again, is slow like hell |
| 01:10:20 | ljp-- | heh- Homer's high |
| 01:11:22 | bewmIES | I heard Phish was on tonight |
| 01:11:47 | ljp-- | hmm I dunno might be so! |
| 01:15:14 | ljp-- | yep! |
| 01:15:22 | ljp-- | Antelope |
| 01:16:19 | bewmIES | runs like one |
| 01:16:22 | ljp-- | wooott! |
| 01:16:34 | bewmIES | rwm@smurfette:/bfide/MP3$ find Phish | wc -l |
| 01:16:34 | bewmIES | 344 |
| 01:16:40 | bewmIES | I'm a pretty big Phish fan :) |
| 01:16:43 | ljp-- | this is a great one |
| 01:17:27 | ljp-- | oh how funny |
| 01:18:03 | ljp-- | ever heard of string cheese incident? |
| 01:34:37 | Eupolis | does anyone know how to type a "\" with the thumb keyboard? It'd be nice to be able easily to wrap lines in a script (especially if I'm just at the console and can't pop up any of the pen input methods). Is it possible? |
| 01:36:23 | kergoth`gone | re |
| 01:39:43 | ljp-- | hello |
| 01:39:51 | kergoth | whats goin on? |
| 01:40:28 | roge99 | not a whole lot |
| 01:40:54 | kergoth | ljp--: i like the TT product manager's response regarding opie vs qtopia. |
| 01:41:10 | ljp-- | just watched Homer get high and Phish play on the Simpsons |
| 01:41:18 | kergoth | I need to pound on OZ 3 a bit. I'd still like to get a prerelease out tonight |
| 01:41:19 | kergoth | yawns |
| 01:41:20 | kergoth | hah |
| 01:41:24 | ljp-- | ya. I was just going to respond |
| 01:49:26 | kergoth | sent a response |
| 01:54:36 | ljp-- | kergoth: have you seen the screenshots of opie on 800x600? |
| 01:55:47 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:55:48 | kergoth | yeah |
| 01:55:50 | kergoth | its cool |
| 01:57:11 | kergoth | interesting to see how things scaled.. |
| 01:58:56 | ljp-- | ya.. lots of space in the Applications tab :) |
| 01:59:31 | bewmIES | kergoth: Yeah, it doesn't build right now :) |
| 01:59:31 | kergoth | indeed... the banner in today is amusing :-) |
| 01:59:35 | bewmIES | At least it didn't when I updated last night |
| 01:59:46 | kergoth | whered it fail? |
| 01:59:49 | kergoth | more asm ugliness? |
| 01:59:54 | ljp-- | hmmm.. time to stop this build: Entering directory `/opt/qt-3.03/examples/demo' |
| 02:00:05 | bewmIES | No, everthing built but "make openzaurus" just barfed |
| 02:00:05 | bewmIES | one sec |
| 02:00:18 | bewmIES | Get a bunch of these |
| 02:00:21 | bewmIES | /usr/src/zaurus/CVSWORK/buildroot-oz/configs/templates/method:44: warning: overriding commands for target `glibc-new' |
| 02:00:24 | bewmIES | /usr/src/zaurus/CVSWORK/buildroot-oz/configs/templates/method:44: warning: ignoring old commands for target `glibc-new' |
| 02:00:28 | bewmIES | Then |
| 02:00:28 | bewmIES | make[2]: *** No rule to make target `make'. Stop. |
| 02:00:29 | bewmIES | make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/zaurus/CVSWORK/buildroot-oz' |
| 02:00:58 | tux_mike | mmmmm |
| 02:01:14 | tux_mike | mike's hard ice tea good |
| 02:04:12 | roge99 | so what your saying is mike's hard over mikes hard |
| 02:04:34 | roge99 | :-P |
| 02:05:45 | tux_mike | lesh |
| 02:11:52 | riskable | Howdy folks! |
| 02:12:42 | ljp-- | hi |
| 02:13:00 | riskable | Man the Z is awesome when you need to wait in line |
| 02:13:21 | riskable | I got in two games of tkcMajhong before my pizza was ready and I barely noticed the time going by |
| 02:13:33 | ljp-- | agreed |
| 02:13:38 | riskable | When I was waiting in line at Taco Bell I got 295 in Snake |
| 02:14:07 | riskable | There was a little kid next to me rooting me on (I was ducking down so he could see the screen) |
| 02:14:13 | riskable | Definitely drew a lot of attention |
| 02:19:49 | | i heard faq was http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/handhelds-faq.html or http://www.sonic.net/~nbs/zaurus-faq/ |
| 02:19:49 | riskable | ibot faq |
| 02:54:04 | scanline | is away: ZzZz |
| 02:54:23 | kergoth | bewmIES: |
| 02:54:29 | kergoth | bewmIES: i broke make openzaurus |
| 02:54:31 | kergoth | bewmIES: lol |
| 02:54:37 | kergoth | bewmIES: i needed further granularity |
| 02:54:59 | kergoth | bewmIES: try make busybox tinylogin sysvinit oz-base debianutils pcmcia-cs jffs2image |
| 02:55:02 | kergoth | bewmIES: :-) |
| 03:00:55 | kergoth | bewmIES: also, to force a rebuild or reinstall of an item, touch the appropriate stamp- in build/stamps/ |
| 03:01:39 | riskable | What do you think of my new site slogan? "This PDA has more flexibility than an experienced porn star" |
| 03:04:18 | warmi | hah |
| 03:04:39 | warmi | nice but not exactly well .. familly friendly |
| 03:04:40 | warmi | hehe |
| 03:05:05 | riskable | :) |
| 03:06:04 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:13:07 | riskable | Ugh, I need NEWS for my site! |
| 03:13:25 | riskable | warmi, give me more news ;) |
| 03:15:30 | kergoth | riskable: openzaurus 3 will be coming out soon... hehe. i'll drop you a note when it does |
| 03:15:34 | kergoth | riskable: :-P |
| 03:15:36 | riskable | Awesome |
| 03:15:53 | riskable | You can submit the news right on Zaurus.LovesLinux.com (there's a web-based interface to do it =) |
| 03:16:39 | kergoth | k |
| 03:16:42 | kergoth | "Warning: Failed opening 'modules/XForum/index.php' for inclusion (include_path='') in /home/riskable/public_html/zaurus/html/modules.php on line 13 |
| 03:16:42 | kergoth | " |
| 03:16:52 | riskable | Ack! Oops |
| 03:17:12 | bewmIES | heh |
| 03:17:17 | bewmIES | P configs/openzaurus.mk |
| 03:17:20 | bewmIES | Did you just fix it? :) |
| 03:17:25 | kergoth | no, i added a warning |
| 03:17:26 | kergoth | try it |
| 03:17:27 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:17:48 | bewmIES | I see it in the code but I didn't get the warning |
| 03:17:59 | bewmIES | make busybox tinylogin sysvinit oz-base debianutils pcmcia-cs jffs2image |
| 03:18:15 | kergoth | thatll do |
| 03:18:17 | kergoth | heh :-) |
| 03:18:23 | bewmIES | ugh, gonna make clean and start over :) |
| 03:18:33 | bewmIES | rm -rf build/* |
| 03:18:34 | kergoth | debianutils was needed for mktemp, tempfile, and run-parts |
| 03:18:48 | kergoth | right now i'm tweaking oz-base |
| 03:19:23 | riskable | Forums are fixede |
| 03:19:32 | riskable | s/fixede/fixed/g |
| 03:19:36 | kergoth | k :-) |
| 03:19:53 | riskable | I upgraded from PostNuke .712 to .713 and forgot to move the forum module over |
| 03:20:46 | riskable | That calls for a "Doh!" |
| 03:21:37 | riskable | OK, almost bed time... Gotta switch to my Z so I can lay down and surf/chat =) |
| 03:21:40 | riskable | brb |
| 03:22:09 | Riskable_zaurus | there we go |
| 03:23:14 | Riskable_zaurus | I noticed quite a few people visiting my site today... Anyone see any new links to it anywhere? |
| 03:24:48 | kergoth | dont think so |
| 03:24:58 | kergoth | have you posted an announcement about the site to all the mailing lists yet? |
| 03:25:29 | warmi | Riskable: huh .. are you complaining ?? |
| 03:25:31 | warmi | lol |
| 03:27:09 | bewmIES | loves watching the arm-linux-gcc scrollIES flying by |
| 03:28:58 | BigBoss | riskable: if you want more stuff on your web site you should link to the various Zaurus reviews that came out this last week |
| 03:29:25 | warmi | various ? |
| 03:29:35 | warmi | I thought I saw only one .. famous WSJ one |
| 03:29:51 | warmi | you can put up link to amazon zaurus page |
| 03:29:54 | BigBoss | there was one on newsforge, cnet and zdnet - although the last 2 were by the same guy |
| 03:30:09 | warmi | it has bunch (13) reviews and people can buy Z there as well :-) |
| 03:30:27 | BigBoss | how do people like it so far? |
| 03:30:36 | warmi | BB: cnet and zdent were these full reviews or just previews ? |
| 03:31:06 | BigBoss | they were short reviews, but not previews I don't think |
| 03:31:06 | warmi | fine .. one guy sweared he would return his but later reposted that he changed his mind because overall it is great product ( keyboard etc ) |
| 03:31:15 | Riskable_zaurus | Link to Z reviews: good idea! |
| 03:32:21 | warmi | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000063D6E/qid=1018236898/sr=1-1/ref=s_pc_/103-5207023-3105431 |
| 03:32:28 | warmi | Zs page on amazon |
| 03:32:42 | Riskable_zaurus | I've had my Z for a week now and I still can't stop raving about it! |
| 03:33:24 | BigBoss | no one mentions that there are great apps to buy from theKompany.com - how depressing |
| 03:33:27 | warmi | zaurus used to be aroun 140 on their sales rank for the whole last week .. |
| 03:33:43 | Riskable_zaurus | Definitely worth the $500 |
| 03:33:44 | warmi | now it went down to 1240 ... |
| 03:34:01 | Riskable_zaurus | wow |
| 03:34:12 | Riskable_zaurus | BB: LOL |
| 03:34:39 | bewmIES | z/clear |
| 03:34:41 | bewmIES | oopz |
| 03:34:48 | BigBoss | hard to believe I'm a 23 vetren of programming and not a salesman sometimes :) |
| 03:35:03 | Riskable_zaurus | I'm writing thus all to you using tkcJabber |
| 03:35:13 | Riskable_zaurus | hehehe |
| 03:35:21 | BigBoss | now that is positive testimony :) |
| 03:35:42 | BigBoss | since I touch type about 70 words a minute, the keyboard on the Z gets a little tiring for me |
| 03:36:01 | warmi | yeah, I will buy one too ... as soon as I get my wireless CF card |
| 03:36:23 | warmi | BB: it is not meant for 70/min style typing :-) |
| 03:36:36 | Riskable_zaurus | I've turned the lights off to force myself to learn how to touch-type on this keyboard |
| 03:37:30 | BigBoss | you are a masochist :) |
| 03:38:05 | Riskable_zaurus | If I'm looking at the keys I'm sure I can easily hammer out 60wpm on this thing |
| 03:38:25 | BigBoss | no freaking way |
| 03:38:34 | Riskable_zaurus | I am a product of the gameboy generation :) |
| 03:38:48 | BigBoss | if I lay it on a table I can go faster, but not with thumbs |
| 03:38:55 | warmi | hah |
| 03:39:02 | warmi | GameBoy generation |
| 03:39:02 | warmi | hehe |
| 03:39:27 | Riskable_zaurus | I suspect that I'll be touch-thumb-typing on the Z in two weeks |
| 03:39:32 | BigBoss | one of the complaints the WSJ guy had that I really disagreed with was the length when you open the keyboard. It is perfect for holding in your hand to thumb type like that |
| 03:39:47 | BigBoss | the panel rests perfectly in your hand |
| 03:40:06 | warmi | yeah, I have noticed that too .. it is just right size for thumb typing |
| 03:40:13 | Riskable_zaurus | I do best looking down at the Z holding it with my two hands |
| 03:40:25 | Riskable_zaurus | I concur |
| 03:40:27 | BigBoss | yea, and the recessed keyboard is fine |
| 03:40:36 | BigBoss | I don't know what that guy was complaining about |
| 03:40:39 | warmi | he was just pissed off because sync didn't work .... |
| 03:41:03 | Austin | should pan the latest iPaq for not syncing with his Unix mail spool. |
| 03:41:21 | warmi | he had valid complains but I think he went too far dismissing it completely |
| 03:41:25 | Riskable_zaurus | The WSJ guy obviously didn't use the Z very much before his review |
| 03:41:47 | bewmIES | Hey kendrick, that doesn't work either :) |
| 03:41:50 | BigBoss | I agree - the syncing stuff is not mature enough, but most of his other beefs were ungrounded |
| 03:41:55 | bewmIES | sh: /usr/src/zaurus/CVSWORK/buildroot-oz/build/mtd/util/mkfs.jffs2: No such file or directory |
| 03:42:08 | warmi | we are talking about guy from completely different world ... Palm User used to Palm way of doing things etc .. |
| 03:42:52 | warmi | anyway, hopefully other reviews are not as dismissive |
| 03:43:06 | warmi | I mean, future reviews won't be as dismissive |
| 03:43:20 | Riskable_zaurus | I have to agree with him that the current state of Z synchronization sucks, but to base your review off that is rather cynical |
| 03:43:30 | BigBoss | yep |
| 03:43:53 | warmi | well, on one hand this is how it works .... the guy gets tons of devices and most companies are happy their device gets a review at all |
| 03:43:55 | Riskable_zaurus | I wanna see |
| 03:44:10 | Riskable_zaurus | C|Net's review |
| 03:44:50 | nasa | talking about syncing -- has anyone tried the latest qtopiadesktop? |
| 03:45:00 | bewmIES | I never even launched for me :) |
| 03:45:16 | Riskable_zaurus | I think the most trouble I have with the Z keyboard is finding my place again after making a mistake |
| 03:45:20 | warmi | but the point is ... synch worked on my wife Win 2000 for some time .. now it stopped .. it doesn't work with Win 2000 server and don't even dare to try this stuff on my Linux box |
| 03:45:23 | nasa | I can get it to launch.... |
| 03:45:41 | Riskable_zaurus | Qti |
| 03:45:48 | Riskable_zaurus | Ugh |
| 03:46:08 | Riskable_zaurus | I should turn the lights on :) |
| 03:46:14 | warmi | II am relatively happy with using CF reader to transfer files while I am waiting for serial cable :-) |
| 03:46:53 | Riskable_zaurus | Note to self |
| 03:47:06 | Riskable_zaurus | Get a card reader |
| 03:47:19 | Riskable_zaurus | ...for work :) |
| 03:48:18 | Riskable_zaurus | I miss being able to transfer stuff at work, then I get home and don't bother |
| 03:48:30 | Austin | Nobody decimate me, but does anyone have a address for a Sharp press contact handy? |
| 03:48:32 | Riskable_zaurus | I have no idea why |
| 03:48:44 | Riskable_zaurus | x |
| 03:48:57 | Riskable_zaurus | decimates austin |
| 03:49:00 | warmi | Austin ... hmm .. no |
| 03:49:02 | Riskable_zaurus | hehe |
| 03:49:25 | Riskable_zaurus | tkcJabber should support /me |
| 03:49:33 | warmi | whoa ... |
| 03:49:37 | Riskable_zaurus | I mean the command |
| 03:49:42 | warmi | Zaurus is on the front page on zdnet.co |
| 03:49:49 | Riskable_zaurus | Nice |
| 03:49:51 | BigBoss | I think it is an irc-transport problem |
| 03:49:56 | Austin | Okay, short of that, how about a general-purpose technical contact? =) |
| 03:50:21 | warmi | Jason |
| 03:50:25 | warmi | JasonNJ |
| 03:50:31 | warmi | right here on this channel |
| 03:51:14 | Austin | understood him to be a contractor from his past conversations with him. |
| 03:51:20 | Austin | I suppose I'll give him a shot. ;) |
| 03:51:44 | warmi | no, I think he does for for Sharp |
| 03:51:54 | Riskable_zaurus | hehe, I run ZDNet's servers |
| 03:52:36 | warmi | are you sysadmin for them ? |
| 03:52:46 | msmax | Riskable_zaurus: tkcJabber support /me command, and we see here your /me right, but it your see your /me not right ;) |
| 03:52:49 | warmi | I mean, do you work as a sysadmin for them ? |
| 03:53:07 | Riskable_zaurus | No |
| 03:53:08 | warmi | hgahah |
| 03:53:26 | Riskable_zaurus | exactly msmax |
| 03:53:53 | Riskable_zaurus | I am a sysadmin for the company that hosts ZDNet |
| 03:54:11 | warmi | sysadmin |
| 03:54:13 | warmi | hehe |
| 03:54:20 | Riskable_zaurus | I'm always working on their systems |
| 03:54:41 | warmi | sysadmins are wierd species :-) |
| 03:55:22 | Riskable_zaurus | The have managed hosting setup with us... so yes, I have root ;) |
| 03:56:07 | warmi | if they piss you off you can always post it here .. |
| 03:56:09 | warmi | heh |
| 03:56:40 | Riskable_zaurus | Sounds cooler than it is... They always have lots of mundane crap for me to do |
| 03:56:58 | Austin | It always sounds cooler than it is. ;) |
| 03:57:15 | warmi | well, I never wanted to work as a sysadmin .. it is just too boring for me |
| 03:57:17 | Riskable_zaurus | Add these seven users to ALL THIRTY of our machines |
| 03:57:29 | warmi | programming and development in general is way more exciting |
| 03:57:31 | kergoth | thats what perl/shell is for |
| 03:57:34 | kergoth | ;-) |
| 03:57:58 | kergoth | I need to land a developer job |
| 03:58:04 | Riskable_zaurus | I always thought software development would be boring ;) |
| 03:58:11 | kergoth | i do unix tech support all day, with some admin contract work |
| 03:58:20 | Austin | Or NIS. =P |
| 03:58:47 | Riskable_zaurus | Sysadmin is fun sometimes |
| 03:59:00 | warmi | kergoth: well, at least it is Unix ... could have been worse |
| 03:59:24 | bewmIES | Hey kergoth: Did you see that error I pasted above? |
| 03:59:27 | kergoth | warmi: indeed.. its tech support to admins trying to use our products in their systems.. at least it isnt the windows end user tech support |
| 03:59:37 | kergoth | scrolls up |
| 03:59:43 | kergoth | bewmIES: oops |
| 03:59:45 | bewmIES | sh: /usr/src/zaurus/CVSWORK/buildroot-oz/build/mtd/util/mkfs.jffs2: No such file or directory |
| 03:59:46 | kergoth | bewmIES: make mtd |
| 03:59:49 | kergoth | bewmIES: then the rest |
| 03:59:50 | bewmIES | Did |
| 03:59:53 | bewmIES | It's up to date |
| 04:00:01 | kergoth | ls -l build/mtd/util/mkfs.jffs2 |
| 04:00:07 | Riskable_zaurus | Mostly, I love engineering enterprise-class setups that cost millions and then having the company just pay for it all |
| 04:00:13 | bewmIES | rwm@smurfette:/usr/src/zaurus/CVSWORK/buildroot-oz$ find . -name mkfs.jffs2 |
| 04:00:13 | bewmIES | rwm@smurfette:/usr/src/zaurus/CVSWORK/buildroot-oz$ ls -l build/mtd |
| 04:00:13 | bewmIES | ls: build/mtd: No such file or directory |
| 04:00:19 | kergoth | er |
| 04:00:23 | kergoth | ls -l build|grep mtd |
| 04:00:24 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:00:33 | bewmIES | Same thing no dice :) |
| 04:00:35 | kergoth | hmm |
| 04:00:41 | kergoth | rm -rf build/stamps/mtd* |
| 04:00:42 | kergoth | make mtd |
| 04:01:00 | bewmIES | Hmm, I have no build/stamps directory either |
| 04:01:02 | Riskable_zaurus | Your machine is named smurfette??? |
| 04:01:09 | Riskable_zaurus | LOL |
| 04:01:11 | bewmIES | Yes, my girlfriend named it because it's so tiny :) |
| 04:01:25 | kergoth | bewmIES: ack! you dont have build/stamps? |
| 04:01:32 | kergoth | bewmIES: cvs up -CPdA; |
| 04:01:51 | Riskable_zaurus | I don't wanna hear about your personal life ;) |
| 04:01:57 | kergoth | cvs ci -m ""; # for good measure |
| 04:02:10 | bewmIES | I didn't create it |
| 04:02:15 | kergoth | holy crap. i missed some commits |
| 04:02:16 | kergoth | update |
| 04:02:17 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:02:23 | bewmIES | there we go |
| 04:02:41 | kergoth | ive made so many changes i got behind in cvs |
| 04:02:44 | kergoth | it being happy? |
| 04:02:52 | bewmIES | Deleted some of the -new configs but still didn't create the dir |
| 04:03:04 | bewmIES | build/ isn't even in CVS |
| 04:03:09 | bewmIES | It gets created by the buildsystem, no? |
| 04:03:16 | kergoth | yah it gets created |
| 04:03:17 | kergoth | hold on |
| 04:03:24 | kergoth | i have to remember where it gets created |
| 04:03:32 | Riskable_zaurus | OK, time for me to hit the sack... Cya all lata |
| 04:03:39 | bewmIES | night |
| 04:04:00 | bewmIES | (for reference, I had just rm -rf'd build and started from scratch about a half hour ago |
| 04:04:13 | bewmIES | make busybox tinylogin sysvinit oz-base debianutils pcmcia-cs jffs2image took less then 20min :) |
| 04:04:20 | kergoth | nice! |
| 04:04:27 | bewmIES | Maybe slightly over since I think I had the kernel built |
| 04:04:34 | kergoth | btw, configs/templates/method creates the stamp dir when you run a make on each item that uses that template |
| 04:04:52 | bewmIES | Okay, what configs use it? |
| 04:04:56 | kergoth | most of them |
| 04:05:00 | kergoth | including mtd |
| 04:05:21 | kergoth | rm -rf build/stamps; make mtd |
| 04:05:23 | bewmIES | I dont' see any mkdir's in configs/templates/method |
| 04:05:28 | kergoth | er |
| 04:05:30 | kergoth | update it |
| 04:05:42 | kergoth | brb |
| 04:05:51 | bewmIES | hmm, it's re-downloading the kernel |
| 04:06:26 | bewmIES | It's downloading the .gz; I already have the .bz2 in sources/dl =D |
| 04:07:06 | kergoth | ah.. for a while the bz2 wasnt avail on the server |
| 04:07:17 | bewmIES | bz2 is manditory for kernel mirrors |
| 04:07:23 | bewmIES | (official mirrors) |
| 04:07:27 | kergoth | is it? odd.. |
| 04:07:28 | kergoth | oh well |
| 04:07:34 | bewmIES | Yeah, I have a friend who runs one :) |
| 04:07:35 | kergoth | feel free to change it in the linux.mk |
| 04:07:36 | kergoth | :-) |
| 04:10:04 | bewmIES | ugh, starting over :) |
| 04:11:14 | bewmIES | ahh, now I have a build/stamps |
| 04:12:40 | kergoth | good good |
| 04:13:26 | bewmIES | You said you were working to get a beta out tonight? |
| 04:35:26 | bewmIES | -rw-r--r-- 1 root rwm 14811135 Apr 7 23:38 initrd.bin |
| 04:35:27 | bewmIES | whee |
| 04:36:00 | bewmIES | Isn't that too big? |
| 04:36:05 | bewmIES | $ du -sk initrd.bin |
| 04:36:05 | bewmIES | 14484 initrd.bin |
| 04:36:12 | kergoth | bewmIES: thats the perfect size |
| 04:36:13 | bewmIES | I thought the max size was 14464k |
| 04:36:22 | kergoth | bewmIES: every generated initrd will be exactly 14811135 |
| 04:36:22 | bewmIES | 14mb + 128k |
| 04:36:27 | bewmIES | ahh, okay |
| 04:36:31 | bewmIES | My math must be off then :) |
| 04:37:17 | kergoth | 14 * 1024 * 1024 + 128 * 1024 = 131072 + 14680064 = 14811136 |
| 04:37:37 | kergoth | if you flash with precisely 14811136, however, both lights start flashing.. it flashes successfully, but doesnt like the max size |
| 04:37:56 | kergoth | so i went with 14811135, and its flawless |
| 04:37:56 | kergoth | afk |
| 04:39:42 | bewmIES | cool |
| 04:42:51 | bewmIES | So then just put build/{zImage,openzaurus/initrd.bin} on CF and follow flash procedure, get networking working and get the Opie stuff on there? |
| 04:43:06 | bewmIES | ipkg isn't on the ROM (is it?), is there an ipk of that to install? |
| 04:43:47 | bewmIES | ahh, I take that back: ./root/usr/sbin/ipkg |
| 05:16:43 | bewmIES | hmm, rsync --exclude /proc -azv root@rwm-zaurus:/ 2002.04.07-BACKUP/ just about kills the Z |
| 05:18:36 | bewmIES | Does anybody else's Z die when they try to read /home/system/var/log/wtmp? |
| 05:18:39 | bewmIES | This is really wierd |
| 05:23:00 | Twiun | morning |
| 05:23:57 | Twiun | bewmIES: Nope... I can cat that ok |
| 05:37:11 | cbsmith | Can someone point me to deb's for zaurus development? |
| 05:38:19 | Twiun | cbsmith: Not I... purely a Java person ;-) |
| 05:39:21 | cbsmith | We need some Debian people on this channel. ;-) |
| 05:40:19 | Twiun | It's also kinda late/early for the US folks ;-) |
| 05:40:48 | bewmIES | What kind of deb's? |
| 05:41:05 | bewmIES | If you mean the toolchain/Qtopia dev stuff it's available as RPM's. apt-get install rpm then rpm -Uvh them. |
| 05:41:06 | cbsmith | deb's for zgcc and the qtopia sdk. |
| 05:41:22 | bewmIES | There are none. Use the RPM's. |
| 05:41:24 | cbsmith | bewmIES eewwww..... rpm! |
| 05:41:30 | bewmIES | If you want deb's then create them yourself. :) |
| 05:41:51 | cbsmith | Yeah, that's what I am realizing... Maybe I'll use alien.... sort of evil, but not that bad. |
| 05:42:56 | bewmIES | Or just use the RPM's. :) |
| 05:43:13 | bewmIES | if you dont' want to make a big deal out of it all. A package is a package. |
| 06:24:25 | NeoTron | wtf |
| 06:24:31 | NeoTron | Cannot create semaphore /tmp/qtembedded-neotron/QtEmbedded-0 'd' |
| 06:24:31 | NeoTron | Error 22 Invalid argument |
| 06:24:31 | NeoTron | Cannot get display lock |
| 06:25:28 | bewmIES | ouch |
| 06:29:31 | NeoTron | wonder if there's some leak or problem... |
| 06:29:40 | NeoTron | it's annoying (on the desktop btw |
| 06:29:45 | NeoTron | I guess I'll reboot. |
| 06:31:38 | NeoTron | brb |
| 06:41:18 | BZFlag | is a "debian person" but cbsmith left. |
| 06:41:58 | BZFlag | alien is your friend. |
| 06:47:47 | NeoTron | now it works |
| 06:47:49 | NeoTron | weird. |
| 06:53:01 | NeoTron | cool. Registration entered within the qtopia version. :P |
| 07:37:50 | fusion94 | is away: sleep |
| 08:04:18 | bewmIES | whee |
| 08:05:56 | bewmIES | Man a watched pot never boils |
| 08:08:08 | bewmIES | hmm, no fsck on the resulting OZ rom |
| 08:08:26 | bewmIES | You around kendrick? :) |
| 08:26:51 | bewmIES | wow, the Sharp font looks so big now |
| 08:27:27 | NeoTron | time to go to bed indeec |
| 08:28:57 | bewmIES | night |
| 08:34:56 | NeoTron | I did lots of progress with Candy Cruncher this weekend. Exciting. :) |
| 08:35:09 | NeoTron | just need to fix so I don't have to restart to start a new game. :P |
| 08:38:49 | bewmIES | heh |
| 10:47:13 | Rince | Good morning |
| 10:48:38 | hughhalf | Good evening :) |
| 10:50:54 | Rince | question: how do I charge the battery of the zaurus? Via DC-Adapter or via USB? |
| 10:55:43 | hughhalf | Rince: I believe you can only charge it using the DC-adapter. This needs to be a specific voltage too - 5V at (from memory) 2A |
| 10:56:00 | hughhalf | I don't _think_ it can charge via USB |
| 11:05:14 | Rince | ok |
| 11:05:19 | Rince | that's fine for me :-) |
| 11:09:42 | hughhalf | :) |
| 11:53:19 | Rince | Hmm, btw, what kind of calendar is alrady available for zaurus? Birthday-Reminder? Something like DateBK4 on Palm? |
| 11:53:28 | Rince | is yet using a palm and thinks about migrating to Zaurus |
| 11:53:49 | riskable | Morning |
| 12:05:56 | riskable | Ahh, no WONDER I got a lot of hits yesterday... LinuxDevices.com linked to me :) |
| 12:07:04 | Rince | *g* |
| 12:07:10 | Rince | morning |
| 12:07:13 | riskable | Morning |
| 12:09:02 | Rince | Hmm, btw, what kind of calendar is alrady available for zaurus? Birthday-Reminder? Something like DateBK4 on Palm? |
| 12:09:06 | Rince | is yet using a palm and thinks about migrating to Zaurus |
| 12:09:21 | riskable | It has a built-in calendar |
| 12:10:00 | riskable | It's just your standard calendar with alarms |
| 12:10:14 | riskable | My only beef is that it doesn't let you set alarms days in advance |
| 12:10:25 | Rince | Hmmm. |
| 12:10:34 | Rince | okay, topic for reprogramming - or enhancing :-) |
| 12:10:56 | riskable | It also only sets alarms based on minutes. So if you want to set an alarm to go off 2 hours before an event, you need to click the little button a zillion times to get it to 120 minutes |
| 12:11:03 | Rince | *ouch* |
| 12:11:33 | riskable | I want an alarm to go off the day BEFORE the event so that I can remember to buy presents & stuff :) |
| 12:11:42 | Rince | *nod* |
| 12:11:49 | Rince | that's what I mean with Birthday-Reminder ;-) |
| 12:12:13 | Rince | also needs a generator for S/Key-Passwords; maybe OpenSSH :-) |
| 12:13:47 | scanline | is back (gone 09:19:44) |
| 12:19:27 | riskable | I need a topic name for Zaurus reviews on other sites |
| 12:19:59 | riskable | Not sure if I want to call it "Reviews" since it's for external links |
| 12:20:19 | riskable | Ahh screw it, I'll call it reviews |
| 12:20:51 | Rince | other sources of information |
| 12:20:56 | Rince | bits of opinions |
| 12:21:02 | Rince | other words about this PDA |
| 12:21:19 | riskable | =) |
| 12:21:51 | riskable | Think BlueTooth should have it's own topic? |
| 12:22:35 | Rince | how many Bluetooth-devices are there yet? |
| 12:22:47 | riskable | A whole bunch |
| 12:22:52 | Rince | I would say Wireless Applications and therefore combine WLAN with BlueTooth |
| 12:22:58 | riskable | More importantly, cell phones support bluetooth already |
| 12:23:09 | riskable | Good call... "Wireless" |
| 12:23:18 | Rince | s/Applications/Devices/ |
| 12:26:56 | Rince | -links |
| 12:26:59 | Rince | wce |
| 13:21:45 | bewmIES | um, I think my Z just died |
| 13:22:11 | scanline | Do the developer Zs have a one-year warantee also? |
| 13:22:53 | twiun | Only if you've returned the registration card I think |
| 13:23:06 | bewmIES | The battery light isn't on and it's plugged in |
| 13:23:09 | bewmIES | Nor will it turn on |
| 13:23:27 | Twiun | tried flipping the reset switch? |
| 13:23:33 | finkployd | bewmIES: This happened to me once. Take the battery out and leave it out for a while |
| 13:23:33 | bewmIES | yes, and a hard reset |
| 13:23:42 | Twiun | taken the battery out for 5mins? |
| 13:23:45 | bewmIES | How long is a while? |
| 13:23:56 | finkployd | I took it out for about 15-20 minutes I think |
| 13:24:17 | bewmIES | I flashed about 5 ROM's last night, wonder if it just got confused :) |
| 13:24:21 | bewmIES | Well I hope this fixes it |
| 13:24:40 | riskable | Don't forget to click that little switch in the back to the "up" position |
| 13:25:05 | bewmIES | While it's sitting here with the battery out? |
| 13:25:12 | riskable | When I first got my Z, I couldn't figure out why it wasn't turning on... and that was *my* problem :) |
| 13:25:18 | bewmIES | Well duh |
| 13:25:21 | riskable | =) |
| 13:25:22 | bewmIES | :) |
| 13:25:29 | Twiun | btw, purely for interest... it *is* possible to flash without having the AC plugged in.... just make sure you do it on a fully charged battery ;-) |
| 13:25:35 | riskable | Your batter could've been toasted |
| 13:25:42 | riskable | s/batter/battery/g |
| 13:25:44 | bewmIES | Probably, I've plugged the power in halfway through a Flash before |
| 13:25:47 | bewmIES | Because I've realized it was out |
| 13:25:51 | riskable | Try the AC adapter directly into the Z |
| 13:26:33 | riskable | (as opposed to into the docking cradle) |
| 13:26:54 | bewmIES | It's kinda hard to flash with the Z in the cradle |
| 13:27:06 | bewmIES | Unless you have some 31337 cradle mod's I'd imagine |
| 13:29:32 | bewmIES | If this is fried I'm gonna be pissed. |
| 13:29:54 | benmeyer | At some point in the past someone set up a server so you could get your ipks off the net (install via network). Anyone know who that was or how to do it? |
| 13:30:14 | bewmIES | You mean package feeds? There are a few of them. |
| 13:30:23 | benmeyer | yah |
| 13:30:27 | benmeyer | I think |
| 13:30:30 | bewmIES | Trolltech has a sl5000d feed and Opie has a feed (mostly for OpenZaurus) |
| 13:30:42 | benmeyer | I havn't been able to find any documention anywhere |
| 13:30:50 | bewmIES | Look at opie.handhelds.org |
| 13:31:33 | bewmIES | ahh fuck |
| 13:31:33 | bewmIES | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 0 Apr 8 08:19 zImage |
| 13:31:35 | bewmIES | That would do it |
| 13:32:57 | bewmIES | YAY. It's reflashing |
| 13:33:09 | finkployd | where is trolltech's feed? |
| 13:33:48 | bewmIES | feeds/Qtopia SL5000/url=http://qtopia.trolltech.com/packages/SL5000/ |
| 13:33:50 | bewmIES | feeds/Qtopia general/url=http://qtopia.trolltech.com/packages/ |
| 13:35:06 | benmeyer | so I put http://opie.handhelds.org/feed/ipaq/ in the little power switch in the z app? |
| 13:35:30 | bewmIES | I've noticed that the Z app writes the feed line COMMENTED in /etc/ipkg.conf |
| 13:35:38 | bewmIES | So uncomment it from there after you add it |
| 13:35:44 | bewmIES | But be careful what opie packages you install |
| 13:36:09 | bewmIES | yay! |
| 13:36:13 | bewmIES | It's booting again! |
| 13:36:17 | benmeyer | you have to uncomment it? |
| 13:36:18 | Rince | bewmIES: have fun :-) |
| 13:36:19 | bewmIES | cuddles his Z and apologizes deeply |
| 13:36:25 | bewmIES | yeah |
| 13:36:27 | bewmIES | Or just add the line by hand |
| 13:36:35 | bewmIES | "src opie http://opie.handhelds.org/feed/ipaq" to /etc/ipkg.conf |
| 13:36:35 | benmeyer | That makes no sense |
| 13:36:40 | bewmIES | Tell me about it |
| 13:36:44 | benmeyer | why would you have to uncomment it? |
| 13:36:46 | benmeyer | grrr |
| 13:36:52 | benmeyer | goes off to speak to someone |
| 13:37:41 | bewmIES | TOok me a while to figgure that one out |
| 13:39:54 | antlarr | hi |
| 13:44:12 | benmeyer | Currently there is no real bug reporting system, so I have simply made a dir in my mail account for people to submit bugs to. meyerb@sharpsec.com |
| 13:47:18 | bewmIES | What constitues a bug? |
| 13:47:27 | bewmIES | Just in general be it the kernel, Qt/E, Qtopia, etc? |
| 13:47:58 | antlarr | re |
| 13:48:44 | benmeyer | more gui releated at this time |
| 13:49:04 | benmeyer | sense I am still trying to figure out who to tell lower level stuff |
| 13:49:18 | benmeyer | but I know at least that I can fix the gui stuff myself |
| 13:49:26 | Rince | has a feature request :-) |
| 13:49:57 | Rince | (for the calendar application) |
| 13:50:10 | finkployd | so do I :) |
| 13:50:15 | Rince | but that's nothing anyone would consider as a bug I fear |
| 13:51:02 | bewmIES | See, that's where you went wrong Ben. Don't tell people this or they'll start hounding you. :) |
| 13:51:03 | sebd | Hello |
| 13:51:10 | Rince | *g* |
| 13:51:21 | Rince | that's why I won't tell :-) |
| 13:52:25 | finkployd | I would like to be able to specify an all day event that doesn't block off my time for the entire day. For example, if I want to mark down a day as someone's birthday, I either have to block off the whole day for it (silly) or assign an arbitrary time to it (even sillier) |
| 13:52:26 | sebd | I am looking for a way for me to buy an SL 5500 - I live in France, SharpPlace.com will only deliver in the USA |
| 13:52:45 | bewmIES | sdbd: Send me $600US and I'll ship it to you :) |
| 13:53:28 | Rince | finkployd: additionally: being able to set the alarms to two days in advance versus 2880 minutes or so |
| 13:53:32 | sebd | bewmIES : Is it really available in Europe ? |
| 13:53:44 | finkployd | Rince: heh, that too :) |
| 13:53:48 | Rince | sebd: in Germany you can easily fetch the german version (with german keyboard) |
| 13:53:48 | bewmIES | I'm not in Europe, I have no idea. I was kidding. :) |
| 13:54:30 | sebd | Rince : I would prefer the English version |
| 13:54:49 | sebd | I am looking for a way to order it online. |
| 13:54:51 | Rince | sebd: you can fetch the english developer version even yet in germany |
| 13:55:08 | Rince | http://www.xtops.de/ |
| 13:55:14 | Rince | there is a possibility, sebd |
| 13:55:15 | sebd | Rince: developer version = 32M RAM ? |
| 13:55:17 | Rince | anyway, have to run off |
| 13:55:29 | Rince | sebd: mail to info@ and ask them wether they have both versions |
| 13:55:40 | sebd | OK thanks Rince |
| 13:55:52 | pesho | sebd: try outpost.com they ship to europe |
| 13:56:19 | sebd | thanks pesho |
| 13:57:19 | benmeyer | bewmIES: I make no promiss to repond, fix etc for the bugs, but will get them to the right people that is all :) |
| 13:59:27 | weimer | is away: shopping |
| 14:20:56 | JasonNJ | morning |
| 14:21:10 | Twiun | pops two max-strength aspirins... |
| 14:21:23 | Twiun | Hey Jason |
| 14:21:44 | Twiun | hates having to talk to mum... always starts a massive headache |
| 14:23:00 | bewmIES | It's so nice being able to flash some test ROM's then flash the SD ROM and have all your "data" intact on the SD :) |
| 14:23:10 | Twiun | lol |
| 14:26:09 | BigBoss | l |
| 14:28:10 | finkployd | cdparanoia-libs is needed by kdebase-3.0.0-4 |
| 14:28:20 | finkployd | that is the dumbest thing I've ever seen |
| 14:28:32 | Twiun | Hahaha |
| 14:30:21 | bewmIES | Are you kidding me? |
| 14:30:43 | bewmIES | That's almost as bad as emacs being required by freetype. |
| 14:30:52 | Jonmann | Hmm. Yet another reason why you shouldn't use kde. :) |
| 14:30:55 | bewmIES | Are kde 3.0 packages in sid or did you get them from someplace else? |
| 14:31:19 | bewmIES | doesn't use KDE but it kinda needs kdebase for things like Konqueror. |
| 14:31:59 | finkployd | I'm trying to get them from Redhat |
| 14:32:16 | finkployd | I normally use gnome, I just wanted to try out kde3 |
| 14:32:18 | bewmIES | ahh, do'h :) |
| 14:33:47 | Jonmann | Why not anonymous CVS? I think that's a lot more reliable, what with the racket about the KDE3 development. :) |
| 14:34:30 | finkployd | I want packages I can remove when I'm done playing |
| 14:34:43 | finkployd | And I'm too lazy to compile everything into a unique location |
| 14:37:48 | Twiun | Completely offtopic I know... but what's the availability of APS film globally? |
| 14:38:43 | sebd | xtops.de charge 699 Euros for the SL-5500 - this is not fair - it should only be 500 US$ ! |
| 14:39:38 | Twiun | ibot: change 699 EUR to USD |
| 14:39:41 | | Twiun: 699.00 (Euro (EUR)) makes 611.412 (United States Dollar (USD)) |
| 14:39:49 | Twiun | Wow, rip-off |
| 14:39:57 | bewmIES | So then send a US friend $500 :0 |
| 14:40:15 | tflat | good morning fellow z'ers :) |
| 14:40:25 | bewmIES | Kinda like we (Americans) need to send our out-of-country friends money to get us cubans. |
| 14:43:33 | sebd | Does anyone know another Zaurus-selling online shop around in Europe ? |
| 14:49:47 | JasonNJ | kergoth alive? |
| 14:49:58 | bewmIES | Haven't seen him since last night. |
| 14:50:08 | | kergoth was last seen on #zaurus 10 hours, 12 minutes and 12 seconds ago, saying: afk [Mon Apr 8 05:37:56 2002] |
| 14:50:08 | Twiun | ibot: seen kergoth |
| 14:50:25 | Twiun | so not all that long ago |
| 14:50:48 | bewmIES | Yeah, last night :) |
| 14:51:08 | Twiun | No, no, no! This morning! ;-) |
| 14:56:24 | peanut | sharpmobile is live! |
| 14:56:30 | peanut | and its service from verizon! |
| 14:57:24 | peanut | AWESOME! |
| 14:57:45 | peanut | 99 bucks for the modem after rebate! |
| 14:57:54 | peanut | pricing is 29.95 month unlimited! |
| 14:58:16 | scanline | is away: powdered eggs, pseudopotatoes, and a ton of salt, with a bagel on the side |
| 14:58:34 | mARk | peanut: shame its US only ey |
| 15:00:01 | finkployd | peanut: Haha! I have Verizon! For once something works in my favor :) |
| 15:00:04 | BigBoss | sharp mobile is live already? |
| 15:00:08 | peanut | yes it is! |
| 15:00:10 | BigBoss | is it pervasive? |
| 15:00:14 | peanut | i've just ordered from it.. |
| 15:00:17 | peanut | 30 bucks a month unlimited |
| 15:00:22 | peanut | 100 dollars (after rebate) for the modem! |
| 15:00:24 | peanut | sweet |
| 15:00:37 | BigBoss | that's not bad at all |
| 15:00:38 | peanut | 138.95 to get started! |
| 15:00:44 | peanut | the 30 bucks is for beta users! |
| 15:00:48 | peanut | valid to june 1 i think it said. |
| 15:01:06 | bewmIES | ooh |
| 15:01:08 | bewmIES | runs to sharpmobile.com |
| 15:01:21 | peanut | very sweet! |
| 15:01:35 | mARk | wants it in the uk |
| 15:01:41 | peanut | 138.95 !! damn.. |
| 15:01:50 | bewmIES | Handhelds |
| 15:01:51 | peanut | modem and 1st month of service and shipping all included.. |
| 15:01:51 | bewmIES | Zaurus SL-5500 and SL-5000D |
| 15:02:00 | peanut | rebate is instant. |
| 15:02:16 | peanut | very very sweet.. |
| 15:02:26 | peanut | rush ordering is not available yet, but i'll have mine in 3-6 days! |
| 15:02:39 | peanut | only downside is that its cdpd |
| 15:02:50 | bewmIES | ahh, so then this is the "beta period" rate |
| 15:02:52 | bewmIES | he beta program starts April 8th and will run through June 5th 2002. The special pricing will only be guaranteed during this time frame. |
| 15:02:58 | bewmIES | After June 5 it's $39/mo |
| 15:03:06 | peanut | yup.. |
| 15:03:08 | Rince | re |
| 15:03:18 | peanut | who even at 39 a month, thats cheaper than omnisky was for color access |
| 15:03:37 | peanut | the thing looks sweet too! |
| 15:04:32 | riskable | Damnit, my DSL just went out |
| 15:05:42 | riskable | NICE! SharpMobile went live? |
| 15:07:38 | riskable | Figures, they don't have coverage in my area |
| 15:07:54 | peanut | yes indeed! |
| 15:08:19 | peanut | ouch! |
| 15:08:23 | peanut | check out faqs and support |
| 15:08:26 | riskable | Interesting, no coverage in my town, but coverage for every surrounding town |
| 15:08:34 | peanut | the beta period includes roaming |
| 15:08:40 | peanut | the standard launch does not |
| 15:08:50 | peanut | ouch.. hrmm.. maybe i'll cancel shortly after beta ends |
| 15:10:04 | peanut | nice thing is that sharpmobile will also offer other services as they become available! |
| 15:10:13 | peanut | nice.. i bet they let you switch in contract to other services |
| 15:10:20 | riskable | Cool, unlimited bandwidth |
| 15:10:40 | riskable | I'm signing up now :) |
| 15:10:51 | peanut | already signed up. |
| 15:10:53 | BigBoss | how can you tell where coverage is? |
| 15:11:16 | finkployd | Figures, no coverage where I am |
| 15:11:26 | finkployd | calls the local verizon office and complains |
| 15:11:34 | riskable | What a goddamn time for my DSL to go down! I finally have news and I can't post it! |
| 15:12:02 | peanut | it tells you on their website |
| 15:12:06 | peanut | you have to enter zip codes.. |
| 15:12:18 | peanut | notes that all 3 areas of his had service (but then again so did my omnisky) |
| 15:12:28 | peanut | though that was at&t.. all the same i imagine.. |
| 15:12:30 | peanut | which means, it will suck |
| 15:13:46 | peanut | mail.sharpmobile.com is already up as well! |
| 15:14:10 | peanut | though thats criticalpath handling that.. |
| 15:14:32 | peanut | actually it looks like criticalpath is handling all aspects of the username@sharpmobile.com account. |
| 15:15:00 | peanut | yawns.. |
| 15:16:26 | peanut | ok.. so who else has signed up? |
| 15:17:12 | scanline | is back (gone 00:18:55) |
| 15:17:23 | BigBoss | I'm in freaking southern california and there is no CDPD access, I'd have to pay roaming charges |
| 15:17:47 | finkployd | Oh well, I have wireless access in most places I go |
| 15:19:34 | ][N-Flux | nice covered all over here |
| 15:19:51 | ][N-Flux | thank you boston |
| 15:20:58 | ][N-Flux | ponders |
| 15:21:29 | ][N-Flux | 19.2 hrmmmm |
| 15:24:04 | riskable | Nothing is more frustrating than being at work when you need to be at home! |
| 15:24:05 | peanut | n-flux: 19.2 ain't great, but it sure beats 9600 baud over irda.. |
| 15:24:28 | riskable | 19.2 is fine for instant messaging/IRC =) |
| 15:24:31 | peanut | likes to use it on the train, keeping the devices pointed at each other is difficult |
| 15:24:45 | peanut | plus, i already pay 7 bucks a month to use irda.. |
| 15:24:52 | peanut | 23 dollars more is a wise investment.. |
| 15:26:03 | Hellaenergy | What is the absolute best wirless CF card for the z. Which one works the best and costs the least? |
| 15:26:21 | ][N-Flux | I like my linksys, cost was $130 |
| 15:26:25 | Hellaenergy | I am finally splerging |
| 15:26:39 | Hellaenergy | What kind of AP do you have? |
| 15:26:44 | ][N-Flux | linksys :) |
| 15:26:44 | riskable | I like my Z-com XI-825 =) |
| 15:26:52 | riskable | I have a Siemens AP |
| 15:26:59 | ][N-Flux | I bought the wap and cf at the same time |
| 15:27:03 | finkployd | Hellaenergy: There is no real answer. The dLink has probably the best reception and worst power consumption. The Linksys has slightly worse reception and better power consumtion. |
| 15:27:20 | finkployd | I know nothing about the SMC card (except that it is not popular for some reason) |
| 15:27:38 | riskable | It's not as popular because it's only sold at like 2 places |
| 15:27:38 | finkployd | The Socket is supposed to be the holy grail of CF cards, but of course we have no support for it. |
| 15:27:50 | finkployd | riskable: I found it on amazon |
| 15:27:57 | Hellaenergy | that is the only one I could find in stores? |
| 15:28:04 | Hellaenergy | in MN |
| 15:28:10 | Hellaenergy | what are its stats? |
| 15:28:18 | Hellaenergy | power reception? |
| 15:28:22 | Hellaenergy | do ya know? |
| 15:28:31 | finkployd | the SMC? I have no idea |
| 15:29:05 | Hellaenergy | What do you mean by the socket? |
| 15:29:18 | finkployd | The Sharp people at LWE told me the D-Link was the best (of course their track record with telling the truth is severly in question) |
| 15:29:30 | Hellaenergy | amen |
| 15:29:42 | riskable | D-link blocks the ports |
| 15:29:53 | Hellaenergy | How long does the bat last for the d-link? |
| 15:29:58 | benmeyer | D-Link works :) |
| 15:30:03 | benmeyer | that is probably why it is among the best |
| 15:30:03 | benmeyer | haha |
| 15:30:06 | Hellaenergy | what do you mean it blocks the ports? |
| 15:30:14 | riskable | Damn, I don't think my DSL went down, I think my house lost power! |
| 15:30:16 | finkployd | Hellaenergy: http://www.socketcom.com/product/wlan.htm |
| 15:30:31 | Hellaenergy | Has anyone tried it |
| 15:30:31 | finkployd | Hellaenergy: Blocks the headphones and stylus ports |
| 15:30:43 | benmeyer | Linksys is better though I would guess |
| 15:30:52 | finkployd | Hellaenergy: Many have tried it (including me) It doesn't work (I'm talking about the socket card) |
| 15:30:55 | benmeyer | the socket ones seem to be not working (havn't confirmed) |
| 15:31:25 | finkployd | benmeyer: unless you have an in house rom that has a special driver for it, it doesn't work. Believe me :) |
| 15:31:53 | finkployd | I get about 1 hour of solid usage on the linksys |
| 15:31:57 | Hellaenergy | that sucks |
| 15:32:03 | Hellaenergy | finkployd do you have one then? |
| 15:32:25 | finkployd | I'm REALLY hoping Sharp puts out a better battery, or perhaps a larger battery that clips onto the back. |
| 15:32:43 | Hellaenergy | do you have the 5500 bat? |
| 15:32:43 | finkployd | Hellaenergy: I personally have a Linksys. I have access to a Socket and D-Link to test with |
| 15:33:02 | Hellaenergy | what is the range on the linksys? |
| 15:33:47 | finkployd | Hellaenergy: There really is no way to answer that since I'm not testing in a flat area, outside |
| 15:34:03 | riskable | I get my whole house with my Z-com card |
| 15:34:09 | ][N-Flux | ordering sharpmobile now :) |
| 15:34:11 | Hellaenergy | In the office is it fairly distant? |
| 15:34:14 | riskable | Haven't tested outside yet because it's been cold out lately :) |
| 15:34:19 | weimer | is back (gone 01:34:50) |
| 15:34:22 | finkployd | It is slightly worse than the D-Link, which is slighty worse than the Orinico Gold PCMCIA card, I can tell you that. |
| 15:35:10 | Hellaenergy | but the d-link sucks the bat? |
| 15:35:29 | warmi | hi |
| 15:35:33 | finkployd | Hellaenergy: Yes, a bit more than the Linksys |
| 15:35:36 | Hellaenergy | I might just go out and get the frickin smc :) |
| 15:35:59 | finkployd | I've heard the linksys sucks the battery as well, but I have nothing to compare it too. |
| 15:36:11 | Hellaenergy | Has there been offical testing of the two or is this from personal expirience? |
| 15:36:12 | finkployd | Frankly, the battery is what sucks in this equation :) |
| 15:36:26 | Hellaenergy | :) |
| 15:36:31 | finkployd | Hellaenergy: I've done some side by side testing at work |
| 15:36:45 | Hellaenergy | Again, do you have the 5500 bat? |
| 15:36:53 | finkployd | No, my boss and I both have 5000s |
| 15:36:59 | Hellaenergy | ah |
| 15:37:06 | finkployd | I thought that battery was the same, only the charging base was different |
| 15:37:06 | Hellaenergy | that is supposed to be better |
| 15:37:27 | ][N-Flux | fucking fleet bank |
| 15:37:34 | ][N-Flux | is beyond pissed |
| 15:37:35 | Hellaenergy | what it charges faster or something |
| 15:39:09 | Hellaenergy | wants a wireless and ethernet in one card |
| 15:39:42 | riskable | wants an 802.11b/bluetooth combo card |
| 15:40:01 | sebd | wants a 5500 |
| 15:40:02 | Hellaenergy | I did see the 5500 in OfficeMax here in Minneapolis yesterday |
| 15:40:20 | riskable | I bought my Z April 1st at Staples |
| 15:40:30 | Hellaenergy | 499 |
| 15:40:32 | benmeyer | grr does mozzilla have a spelling checker? |
| 15:40:33 | riskable | 499 |
| 15:40:58 | Hellaenergy | they had that stupid cf camera :p |
| 15:41:10 | riskable | The camera looks like fun though :) |
| 15:41:18 | Hellaenergy | who would acually use that? |
| 15:41:52 | warmi | well, if it works .. why not |
| 15:42:25 | ljp_work | theres also a cf video camera |
| 15:43:16 | Hellaenergy | now that would be a little better with a sufficiant power source |
| 15:43:40 | Hellaenergy | but who has a wireless ethernet card, though :) |
| 15:43:54 | Hellaenergy | but who has a wireless/ethernet card, though :) |
| 15:44:03 | finkployd | I would like to see a better battery solution out of Sharp, but I fully understand that they have to fix all the glaring bugs in the core functionality first :) |
| 15:44:23 | Hellaenergy | true |
| 15:44:43 | Hellaenergy | the 5500 I saw on display at office max was glichin |
| 15:44:43 | ljp_work | glaring bugs? |
| 15:45:02 | Hellaenergy | the handwriting app would not go down |
| 15:45:15 | riskable | He's probably referring to the suck that is synchronization |
| 15:45:17 | finkployd | ljp_work: Syncing, some various issues with some of the PIM apps, etc |
| 15:45:49 | finkployd | Most of the PIM bugs have been fixed in the qtopia cvs months ago |
| 15:45:49 | ljp_work | hmm. sync works fine with the new rom, and new qtopiadesktop here |
| 15:45:55 | Hellaenergy | roge99: what card do you have again? |
| 15:46:09 | ljp_work | ya, Sharp isnt very good at folding qpe bug fixes |
| 15:46:30 | riskable | patiently awaits an official ROM update |
| 15:46:30 | finkployd | ljp_work: Sync has quite a few problems with various configurations. |
| 15:47:06 | ljp_work | hmm.. works on three computers and two Z's here |
| 15:47:11 | finkployd | Just because it happens to work for some right out of the box doesn't change that it fails to work for some others right out of the box. |
| 15:47:18 | Hellaenergy | Does anyone here have the linksys wireless DSL/Cable Router/AP? |
| 15:47:32 | finkployd | Believe me, people who are claiming sync problems are not all spontaniously making it up. |
| 15:47:36 | Hellaenergy | or heard anything about its quality |
| 15:48:02 | Hellaenergy | I know I have had countless problems with the sycing |
| 15:48:11 | finkployd | Hellaenergy: I intended to get that, but after research I went with the Netgear MR314 instead (same thing basically) |
| 15:48:23 | Hellaenergy | did they even open the source for the intelsync or qtopia desktop? |
| 15:48:31 | finkployd | no |
| 15:48:39 | riskable | I don't understand why people buy cell phones and then leave them in the car/at home all the time |
| 15:48:40 | Hellaenergy | finkployd: why |
| 15:48:44 | finkployd | Intelsync isn't their's to open source |
| 15:48:50 | Hellaenergy | so |
| 15:48:53 | Hellaenergy | :) |
| 15:48:54 | ljp_work | kkde's pim will be able to sync |
| 15:48:59 | Hellaenergy | good |
| 15:49:01 | Hellaenergy | os |
| 15:49:02 | riskable | Good, when? |
| 15:49:22 | Hellaenergy | Why did you go with netgear, price? |
| 15:49:23 | riskable | Any SyncML support? |
| 15:49:29 | ljp_work | soon, I couple opie devs uploaded the framework to kde cvs this last week |
| 15:50:48 | ljp_work | I'm not sure what it'll support, zecke and harlekin are working on it |
| 15:51:21 | Hellaenergy | finkployd: Why did you go with netgear, price? |
| 15:51:42 | finkployd | Hellaenergy: Price, and the 5 year warranty is rather nice |
| 15:51:55 | finkployd | Plus I know netgear's configuration interface pretty well |
| 16:00:25 | Hellaenergy | Hey BigBoss do you have a wirless cf card? |
| 16:00:30 | Hellaenergy | which one if so? |
| 16:02:11 | BigBoss | Linksys |
| 16:02:20 | BigBoss | other than that fat top everyone talks about, it works great |
| 16:03:12 | Hellaenergy | anyone here seen a data conectivity kit w/cf card kit out there for the motorola 60c? |
| 16:03:46 | Hellaenergy | BigBoss fat top? |
| 16:05:04 | Hellaenergy | what is that? anyone got a link for hella? |
| 16:06:08 | Hellaenergy | also if anyone is looking to give away a card I'll gladly take it :\ |
| 16:06:27 | finkployd | Hellaenergy: That is what we were saying earlier about it blocking the stylus port |
| 16:07:06 | Hellaenergy | ah that is not a concern to me I have a pen/stylus anyways :) |
| 16:07:18 | Hellaenergy | finkployd: thanks :) |
| 16:08:30 | Hellaenergy | Zaur-zilla hugh |
| 16:08:36 | Hellaenergy | Lets get that going :) |
| 16:09:24 | Hellaenergy | http://www.sharpmobile.com/default.asp?sid=49669934348200212103300016322 is live! |
| 16:11:01 | Hellaenergy | Shux no soup for me! |
| 16:12:18 | Hellaenergy | They just need to get that out to the stores now and they will be cool. |
| 16:16:58 | Hellaenergy | BigBoss can I get a trial of tkcFTP? |
| 16:19:19 | TPABKA | hmm |
| 16:20:03 | TPABKA | can zaurus connect to avantgo yet? |
| 16:20:56 | BigBoss | we don't have trials |
| 16:21:02 | BigBoss | what do you want to test? |
| 16:21:26 | warmi | lol |
| 16:21:38 | peanut | BigBoss: fix your cart again.. |
| 16:21:45 | peanut | tkcftp and gallery showed up in mine again! |
| 16:22:23 | Austin | ("No, you want these, really!") |
| 16:23:34 | TPABKA | hmm |
| 16:23:43 | warmi | peanut: that' s called aggressive marketing ... |
| 16:23:57 | TPABKA | i wanted to buy it... but i want avantgo connectivity :) |
| 16:24:16 | BigBoss | peanut: I just don't have a way to progressively add items to it |
| 16:24:23 | peanut | oh.. |
| 16:24:39 | peanut | so its all or nothing? |
| 16:24:56 | peanut | Could I just give you 20 bucks and call it even :) |
| 16:27:00 | benmeyer | Did others see this: http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 16:27:37 | BigBoss | peanut - youcould just buy something worth 20 on the site, like jabber and that would even it out |
| 16:27:44 | BigBoss | and I appreciate your honesty |
| 16:31:05 | peanut | hey kergoth |
| 16:31:12 | benmeyer | Hey there kergoth |
| 16:31:23 | kergoth` | hey all |
| 16:31:25 | kergoth` | how goes it? |
| 16:32:08 | BigBoss | peanut: oh, I just found out how to fix the file problem |
| 16:32:14 | benmeyer | Zaurus finally has a freshmeat type site |
| 16:32:17 | benmeyer | yah! |
| 16:32:45 | Hellaenergy | hey kergoth |
| 16:32:58 | Hellaenergy | Do you have a wireless cf? |
| 16:33:03 | bewmIES | kergoth: Jason was looking for you earlier |
| 16:33:04 | kergoth` | benmeyer: ? it does? |
| 16:33:07 | benmeyer | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 16:33:09 | benmeyer | in a way |
| 16:33:11 | kergoth` | bewmIES: k |
| 16:33:16 | kergoth` | benmeyer: ah yeah, saw that :-) |
| 16:33:16 | benmeyer | very simple right now, but better then what is out there |
| 16:33:23 | kergoth` | Hellaenergy: no, not yet |
| 16:33:45 | benmeyer | Going to move the zz apps over to it, populate it a little more |
| 16:33:50 | bewmIES | Also, I flashed the OZ ROM last night and it couldnt' find fsck, just said "screw it" and am gonna wait for the next beta :) |
| 16:34:12 | Hellaenergy | kergoth: they have the 5500 at Officemax on 77th and France |
| 16:34:25 | bewmIES | (and I couldn't find any fsck/fsck.jffs2 targets/binaries in the buildroot anywhere) |
| 16:34:50 | kergoth` | bewmIESlol... you dont need to fsck jffs2 |
| 16:34:55 | kergoth` | bewmIES: jffs2 is journaled! |
| 16:35:02 | fusion94 | benmeyer: you spoken to perlow lately ? |
| 16:35:04 | kergoth` | bewmIES: just set rootcheck=no in /etc/init.d/checkroot |
| 16:35:09 | kergoth` | bewmIES: :-) |
| 16:35:14 | bewmIES | Journaling FS's need to be (should be) fsck'd every so often too |
| 16:35:28 | bewmIES | Take for example ext3 that sets a 30 mount limit before it fsck's |
| 16:35:34 | bewmIES | It's just good measure if you like your data :) |
| 16:35:44 | kergoth` | bewmIES: certainly. i'll throw it in, but for a beta.. fuck it |
| 16:35:48 | kergoth` | bewmIES: :-P |
| 16:35:51 | bewmIES | Oh yeah, I agrewe |
| 16:36:48 | kergoth` | Hellaenergy: hah. nice |
| 16:37:01 | kergoth` | bewmIES: have you tried installing an ipk with the ipkg in oz 3 yet? i should test it |
| 16:39:04 | bewmIES | No, never even got to a shell :) |
| 16:39:18 | bewmIES | rwm@smurfette:/usr/src/zaurus/CVSWORK/buildroot-oz$ sudo make jffs2image |
| 16:39:21 | kergoth` | err it shouldve dropped you to a shell when the rootcheck failed |
| 16:39:23 | kergoth` | hm |
| 16:39:26 | bewmIES | Yes it did |
| 16:39:34 | bewmIES | But at that point I just said screw it |
| 16:39:37 | kergoth` | ah :-) |
| 16:39:53 | bewmIES | I need some of these net* targets to use networking right? |
| 16:39:55 | kergoth` | set rootcheck=no, then it'll drop you to a shell with root remounted rw, and you should be able to do things. |
| 16:39:59 | bewmIES | netbase / net-tools? |
| 16:40:03 | kergoth` | depends on what networking you want to use |
| 16:40:08 | bewmIES | Socket 10Base CF |
| 16:40:22 | kergoth` | pcmcia-cs |
| 16:40:24 | bewmIES | and dhcpcd/pump to get IP |
| 16:40:25 | kergoth` | make sure thats in |
| 16:40:30 | bewmIES | Yup I got that one |
| 16:40:35 | bewmIES | But I don't need any of the net* packages for ifconfig/route/etc? |
| 16:40:41 | kergoth` | k.. none of the startup scripts are linked into the rc#.d yet |
| 16:40:46 | kergoth` | so you manually run rc.pcmcia |
| 16:40:51 | bewmIES | no prob |
| 16:40:58 | kergoth` | yeah you will.. ifconfig is built into busybox, but some of the others are not |
| 16:41:11 | kergoth` | i need to get the usbd hotplug script from the sharp rom so usb networking is happy |
| 16:41:12 | bewmIES | Alrighty. I'll play later tonight. |
| 16:41:21 | bewmIES | Got mad paperwork to do now :( |
| 16:41:35 | kergoth` | ack that sucks |
| 16:41:39 | kergoth` | i hate paperwork |
| 16:41:44 | bewmIES | But I did flash the 2.6 OZ beta last night |
| 16:41:46 | bewmIES | It was nice |
| 16:42:01 | bewmIES | Updated to some of the latest Opie packages, fixed some shit that broke |
| 16:42:06 | bewmIES | That Today app looks sweet |
| 16:42:23 | bewmIES | It shouldn't be too hard to rebuild that against qpe, should it? |
| 16:42:28 | BigBoss | what Today app? |
| 16:42:54 | kergoth` | today will work on qtopia.. at least it should |
| 16:43:03 | kergoth` | but the autoload on resume wont work without the opie launcher |
| 16:43:13 | bewmIES | Well installing it from Add/Remove from teh feed triggers and install of almost ALL the Opie packages |
| 16:43:17 | kergoth` | yeah |
| 16:43:22 | kergoth` | dont install directly from the ipaq feed |
| 16:43:23 | kergoth` | bad |
| 16:43:25 | kergoth` | heh :-) |
| 16:43:58 | kergoth` | manually load the indivudual ipks.. it'll work because ipkg (the shell version) doesnt properly handle dependencies when installing from the command line/locally |
| 16:44:03 | kergoth` | yawns |
| 16:46:09 | bewmIES | So I should just need that one ipq? |
| 16:46:21 | kergoth` | yep |
| 16:46:24 | kergoth` | hmm |
| 16:46:28 | kergoth` | it might need libopie too |
| 16:46:28 | bewmIES | good stuff, gonna give it a whirl real quick |
| 16:46:35 | bewmIES | Will installing libopie break anything? |
| 16:46:38 | bewmIES | (I see it needs it for tododb) |
| 16:46:43 | kergoth` | yes, exactly |
| 16:46:44 | bewmIES | ie, will it conflict with qpe? |
| 16:46:46 | kergoth` | no, it should work |
| 16:47:11 | kergoth` | someone ran opie at 800x600 |
| 16:47:26 | bewmIES | heh |
| 16:47:33 | kergoth` | screenshots were funny at that rez |
| 16:47:41 | kergoth` | stuff scaled.... in interesting ways |
| 16:47:49 | bewmIES | I bet |
| 16:48:02 | bewmIES | So what does tododb do? |
| 16:48:04 | ][N-Flux | is away: work |
| 16:48:19 | bewmIES | The one thing I dont' like about the Z is it's ToDO is very Palm-esque which is, IMHO, unuseable |
| 16:48:20 | kergoth` | its just an api to access the todo xml file |
| 16:48:51 | kergoth` | see todo just used its own xml implementation.. so a tododb was created, which in turn uses the xml implementation in libopie to access it |
| 16:49:05 | kergoth` | afk |
| 16:49:06 | bewmIES | yay, it came back up |
| 16:50:04 | bewmIES | "Today config" needs an option to not show the email stuff. :) |
| 16:50:38 | kergoth` | yeah |
| 16:50:45 | kergoth` | it needs to be able to customize the display |
| 16:50:47 | bewmIES | So how long until that new beta is out? :) |
| 16:50:56 | bewmIES | I'm itching to start using Opie |
| 16:51:41 | kergoth` | next steps: 1) confirm hotplug + usbd functionality for usb networking.. 2) confirm pcmcia-cs functionality for cf mount/unmount and networking and the like. 3) confirm ipkg functionality. |
| 16:52:01 | bewmIES | Well I won't have any time to hack this week but if you need any testing done just drop me a line |
| 16:52:10 | kergoth` | then 4) symlink all the startup scripts into place in the oz-base package, and 5) install the rest of the non hardware/os specific ipks from the opie feed and familiar feed |
| 16:52:24 | kergoth` | bewmIES: cool, thanks |
| 16:52:49 | bewmIES | date: 2002/04/08 14:52:07; author: kergoth; state: Exp; lines: +198 -179 |
| 16:52:49 | bewmIES | Oops, disable default root filesystem check, since we're using jffs2. |
| 16:52:51 | bewmIES | heh |
| 16:52:59 | kergoth` | heh :-) |
| 16:53:23 | kergoth` | yeah last night my priority was making it boot up without complaining about things |
| 16:53:25 | kergoth` | heh |
| 16:54:11 | kergoth` | i should try to get LPP applied and workin |
| 16:54:16 | bewmIES | Is anybody working on a "Zaurus emulator" like the Palm has? |
| 16:54:58 | peanut | there is already a zaurus emulator. |
| 16:55:05 | peanut | it was in the sdk |
| 16:55:15 | treke_ | not really an emulator |
| 16:55:18 | kergoth` | thats x86 qtopia + qvfb |
| 16:55:21 | kergoth` | not emulation |
| 16:55:22 | bewmIES | No, that rusn i386 |
| 16:55:26 | bewmIES | Exactly |
| 16:55:28 | peanut | shit.. you're right.. |
| 16:55:31 | peanut | sorry.. |
| 16:55:39 | peanut | :) |
| 16:55:56 | Hellaenergy | BigBoss: you here? |
| 16:57:03 | BigBoss | yes |
| 16:57:41 | riskable | Apparently he was just making sure |
| 16:59:20 | Hellaenergy | BigBoss: does your Data Arch app dump sql scripts? |
| 17:00:57 | NeoTron | hi and bye. time to go to work |
| 17:01:00 | NeoTron | I overslept. :P |
| 17:01:06 | riskable | Woot! DSL is back! |
| 17:01:06 | NeoTron | still not in DST I guess |
| 17:01:09 | NeoTron | is away: work |
| 17:03:04 | benmeyer | Can feeds be put on ftp server?S |
| 17:03:50 | treke_ | yeah |
| 17:03:52 | treke_ | they can |
| 17:03:57 | benmeyer | wget can get them? |
| 17:04:00 | treke_ | yup |
| 17:04:21 | benmeyer | ok |
| 17:07:12 | BigBoss | hellaenergy: I haven't really worked with DA a lot lateyly, I think it does. You can try a demo or soemthing. Let me ask real quick |
| 17:07:37 | Hellaenergy | Thank you |
| 17:07:40 | Hellaenergy | I would love that |
| 17:07:52 | bewmIES | Man, if Sharp was smart they'd include fbvncserver on the stock ROMs |
| 17:08:05 | bewmIES | It nearly eliminates the need for a desktop package |
| 17:08:09 | Hellaenergy | at least the developer rom |
| 17:08:12 | finkployd | Why on earth would most people want that? |
| 17:08:22 | bewmIES | Because Qtopia Desktop sucks? |
| 17:08:27 | bewmIES | (IMHO) |
| 17:08:37 | Hellaenergy | I will second that |
| 17:08:42 | bewmIES | And typing a good amount of data on the Z keyboard is a joke |
| 17:09:06 | bewmIES | I leave it open on my desktop. Now that I have Today running it's even more useful. |
| 17:09:21 | finkployd | hmmm, I guess |
| 17:10:13 | riskable | Can the Today program run on the 2.12 ROM? |
| 17:10:18 | riskable | ...and where can I get it? :) |
| 17:10:32 | bewmIES | No idea, it runs on the SD ROM (1.12 based IIRC) just fine. |
| 17:10:46 | bewmIES | Get the opie-today and libopie packages from the Opie feed at opie.handhelds.org |
| 17:10:59 | bewmIES | Install them both from the shell, do NOT install them using the Add / Remove app :) |
| 17:11:14 | benmeyer | Anyone care to do a quick review of a feedhowto for me? |
| 17:11:21 | mark_ | riskable: 2.12? |
| 17:11:55 | bewmIES | Ben: What do you need to know besides the fact that the Add/Remove app puts it in ipkg.conf commented? |
| 17:12:17 | bewmIES | The "Help" app tells you everything else you need to know; put in your feed then Update (just like apt-get update in Debian) |
| 17:13:58 | benmeyer | more then that sense it took me 2 days to get one up and running (well not that long, but you get the idea) |
| 17:14:18 | riskable | Hmm... Think the Opie folks would mind if I created some separate downloads for a few of their packages on my site? |
| 17:15:13 | bewmIES | riskable: Probably not provided you credited them, they seem to love the GPL. :) |
| 17:15:43 | antlarr | My application takes start doing some calculations when the user press the stylus but when the stylus is "released" it should stop. The problem is that the "mouseReleaseEvent" is in the queue of events _after_ some timerEvents, so it sometimes take it a moment to stop calculations after the user released his stylus |
| 17:15:45 | ljp_work | yep.. we do |
| 17:16:06 | antlarr | s/ takes // |
| 17:16:28 | riskable | Hey, anyone know of a hack that would make an app open up every time the Z is turned on (such as the Today app)? |
| 17:16:52 | riskable | I know the passcode login is just an app that's launched. I wonder if I could replace it with Today? Hmmm |
| 17:16:53 | ljp_work | riskable: keep in mind that the opie feed should be considered unstabvle, and changes often |
| 17:16:57 | kergoth` | riskable: the opie launcher does autolaunch today on resume |
| 17:17:04 | kergoth` | yawns |
| 17:17:47 | riskable | OK, what are the main applications missing from the Opie ROM? HancomOffice stuff? |
| 17:18:03 | ljp_work | java, opera |
| 17:20:01 | riskable | Any way I can extract those from the ROM and then put them into Opie? |
| 17:20:24 | bewmIES | You can get the Hancom ipk's from their site |
| 17:20:35 | riskable | ...but are they complete (i.e. full version)? |
| 17:20:38 | bewmIES | java/opera you'll have to hack a bit with. They're not available as ipk's |
| 17:20:48 | kergoth` | you could extract them pretty easily though |
| 17:20:51 | bewmIES | yeah |
| 17:20:58 | bewmIES | Just take a look at how OZ splits the sharp ROM apart |
| 17:20:59 | riskable | Cool |
| 17:22:00 | ljp_work | riskable: yes, you can do that.I created my own rom that way. it isnt distributable |
| 17:22:33 | bewmIES | Hmm, qpe/qprocess.h isn't in the qtopia SDK? |
| 17:23:31 | bewmIES | ahh, today.cpp has a suprrious #include |
| 17:27:45 | kergoth` | nice |
| 17:27:58 | kergoth` | pcmcia-cs works for handling of the cf card |
| 17:28:05 | kergoth` | it should work fine for your cf lan card bewmIES |
| 17:28:17 | bewmIES | cool, I'll give it a whirl later tonight |
| 17:28:35 | bewmIES | So to build opie I just need to set OPIEDIR in addition to the regular stuff, right? |
| 17:29:03 | ljp_work | yes.. theres #opie also |
| 17:29:19 | bewmIES | ahh, good point :) |
| 17:29:49 | kergoth` | ack |
| 17:29:51 | kergoth` | what package is fuser in? |
| 17:29:56 | kergoth` | dpkg -S fuser |
| 17:29:57 | kergoth` | heh |
| 17:30:11 | bewmIES | psmisc-19-1.1.0 |
| 17:30:15 | kergoth` | yep |
| 17:30:19 | kergoth` | adding to the buildsystem now |
| 17:30:28 | kergoth` | man the new style .mks are easy.. can convert from debian packages really fast |
| 17:30:53 | kergoth` | sup weimer |
| 17:31:52 | mark_ | hi kergoth |
| 17:31:57 | kergoth` | hey mark |
| 17:31:59 | kergoth` | howve ya been |
| 17:32:37 | tux_mike | kergoth: is it gonna be more than a week for OZ3? (I'm trying to make sure my ab changes get committed before you take a snapshot of opie) |
| 17:32:50 | kergoth` | not more than a week |
| 17:32:55 | kergoth` | i expect a prerelease today |
| 17:33:09 | ljp_work | tux: you have a Z right? |
| 17:33:10 | kergoth` | release within a couple days, optimally.. could extend as far as a week depending on how many bumps i run into along the way |
| 17:33:15 | tux_mike | oh crap :) |
| 17:33:32 | tux_mike | ljp_work: yah, right here. :) |
| 17:33:33 | mark_ | kergothpretty good thankyou, just had a wicked week gliding |
| 17:33:39 | kergoth` | oh nice :-) |
| 17:34:53 | tux_mike | kergoth: then... i'll do a commit for my latest changes, and i should have another commit late tomorrow |
| 17:35:23 | kergoth` | tux_mike: k. keep me posted |
| 17:35:37 | kergoth` | tux_mike: remember, its jffs2.. the user can grab the latest opie using 'ipkg upgrade' :-P |
| 17:35:38 | mark_ | kergoth': yeh, one of the best weeks in my life |
| 17:35:45 | ljp_work | kergoth: maybe you could mail an announce to the opiemailing list to get things ready |
| 17:35:47 | kergoth` | mark_: glad to hear it |
| 17:35:53 | kergoth` | ljp_work: good idea |
| 17:35:56 | tux_mike | kergoth: yah, but there are issues :) |
| 17:36:05 | kergoth` | tux_mike: there are always issues. |
| 17:36:09 | benmeyer | kergoth`: did you ever get that rom howto started? |
| 17:36:11 | tux_mike | at least find will work in the Opie version |
| 17:36:18 | kergoth` | tux_mike: just a matter of getting rid of the hugely noticable ones. oh cool |
| 17:36:45 | kergoth` | benmeyer: not yet, been busy. btw your howto is looking good. I'll be sending you an email with a few minor additions, if i ever find the time |
| 17:37:34 | benmeyer | kergoth`: I have begun to seperate out the howto's into seperate mini howto and look to get them up shortly |
| 17:37:45 | kergoth` | great |
| 17:38:20 | tux_mike | kergoth: i have one medium priority bug, being a spacing problem in the name translation. other than that, it's feature additions. |
| 17:39:11 | tux_mike | my weekend of coding went straight to hell :) |
| 17:39:12 | peanut | argh.. |
| 17:39:19 | kergoth` | yeah mine too |
| 17:39:20 | Rince | Tststs |
| 17:39:39 | kergoth` | I only got a bit done on the development for my training app, and only a few items for OZ |
| 17:42:45 | MEGASTeP | is back (gone 30:57:58) |
| 17:47:50 | benmeyer | bblo |
| 17:47:59 | scanline | is away: class |
| 17:49:26 | Neo|Work | morning again |
| 17:49:31 | mark_ | hi Neo|Work |
| 17:49:51 | tux_mike | hey neo |
| 17:49:53 | Neo|Work | heya. How's your Zaurus doing? :P |
| 17:49:58 | mark_ | its lovely |
| 17:57:17 | BigBoss | whardier - I think you should use our mascot for Opie instead :) |
| 17:58:02 | tux_mike | BigBoss: did you just start some sort of thekompany newsletter? |
| 17:58:18 | BigBoss | no we didn't |
| 17:59:00 | tux_mike | odd, i just got someting from tkc-request, for, i'm sorry, a mailing list |
| 17:59:12 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: btw, has this whole zaurus thing increased your visibility significantly? |
| 17:59:21 | Neo|Work | I know I never really heard about you b4 at least |
| 18:03:14 | BigBoss | tux: it's the support list for embedded apps |
| 18:03:29 | BigBoss | Neo: it might have, we were pretty well known prior to this actually |
| 18:04:01 | riskable | Yeah, theKompany kicked ass way before their Z development :) |
| 18:04:28 | riskable | could use a free copy of QuantaGold |
| 18:04:52 | riskable | :) |
| 18:05:38 | Gepeto | Heya |
| 18:05:49 | tux_mike | bit: ah, ok. |
| 18:05:57 | tux_mike | BigBoss evem |
| 18:06:02 | tux_mike | even even |
| 18:06:33 | Gepeto | tux_mike: I have been accepted @ College Maisonneuve in C.S. :D |
| 18:06:35 | tux_mike | hrm... tabemono... doko ni arimasu... |
| 18:06:39 | Gepeto | (had to tell more people) |
| 18:06:46 | tux_mike | Gepeto: cool :) |
| 18:08:49 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: I don't live in the Qt/KDE camp so perhaps that's a reason why I didn't hear much about you |
| 18:09:00 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: I do remember some press release with Loki but that's about it. :-P |
| 18:09:07 | Gepeto | neo! hi :) |
| 18:12:25 | BigBoss | riskable: I thought you liked Q+ |
| 18:13:07 | denix | re |
| 18:16:18 | riskable | Tonight I think I'm going to try to backup my 2.12 ROM and install Opie... I'll have the trials and tirublations in the forum on Zaurus.LovesLinux.com |
| 18:16:50 | ljp_work | don't install from the ipaq feed |
| 18:17:00 | ljp_work | at least, not all of it |
| 18:17:38 | ljp_work | if you want all of opie, its be best to wait for openzaurus 3 |
| 18:20:23 | peanut | speaking of oz3, whats the current anticipated release date? |
| 18:20:37 | killefiz | i'm not involved but |
| 18:20:50 | killefiz | i think it is "when it's finished" ;) |
| 18:20:51 | ljp_work | about 1 week |
| 18:21:05 | Neo|Work | Gepeto: hello |
| 18:21:48 | Neo|Work | riskable: I agree with ljp_work - wait for a Zaurus feed to be available in the very least. :P |
| 18:22:11 | bewmIES | I was thinking of putting up a feed |
| 18:22:19 | ljp_work | I'm going to be uploading some opie apps to handango tonight |
| 18:22:32 | bewmIES | I keep all my "must install after flash" packages on a CF card, I may just make my own feed somewhere and leave them all in there (minus the commercial ones) |
| 18:22:38 | riskable | I'm going to wait for OZ3 then |
| 18:22:48 | riskable | If it's just a week, I'll wait |
| 18:24:45 | Neo|Work | too bad feeds generally work really badly |
| 18:26:27 | Gepeto | hey someone yesterday told me the zaurus was very very slow (I don't mind I still want one - it'll improve) but is it true that the rom that comes with it is slow? |
| 18:27:09 | ljp_work | slow? no |
| 18:27:39 | Gepeto | that's what I thought |
| 18:27:47 | Gepeto | he says he clicked somewhere and it took like 3 seconds to react |
| 18:27:51 | Gepeto | I think I know why |
| 18:28:01 | Gepeto | cause he just bought an iPaq a week ago and now he can't admit a zaurus is good |
| 18:28:46 | Neo|Work | it entirely depends on the program |
| 18:28:54 | Neo|Work | I mean, some apps when loading do a lot of things |
| 18:29:04 | Gepeto | yeah well that's to be expected |
| 18:29:11 | Gepeto | he's not a real geek anyways :) just a photoshop geek |
| 18:29:14 | Neo|Work | and what I've been doing lately is to among other things optimize loading time for my games |
| 18:29:24 | Gepeto | Neo|Work: show me your games again |
| 18:29:35 | Neo|Work | http://eongames.com/ |
| 18:30:14 | Gepeto | ohh strategic assault looks neato |
| 18:30:31 | ljp_work | ya, if your into devil games |
| 18:30:41 | Gepeto | what do you mean by devil games? :) |
| 18:30:41 | ljp_work | :D |
| 18:30:41 | Neo|Work | ljp_work: huh? :P |
| 18:30:49 | ljp_work | heheh devil games.. |
| 18:30:54 | ljp_work | evil |
| 18:30:57 | Gepeto | yeah |
| 18:31:00 | Neo|Work | btw as I said before, Candy Cruncher is awesome on the Zaurus |
| 18:31:02 | Gepeto | as in productivity killers? |
| 18:31:03 | ljp_work | joke |
| 18:31:10 | Gepeto | if so it DOES look evil :) |
| 18:31:37 | Neo|Work | http://david.hedbor.org/tmp/snapshot.png |
| 18:31:46 | Fluxwerk | anyone claim the Z on thier taxes? |
| 18:31:49 | Neo|Work | major time eater |
| 18:31:58 | kergoth` | wtf |
| 18:32:01 | Neo|Work | Fluxwerk: as a business expense or what? |
| 18:32:04 | kergoth` | the email light is stuck on, on my Z |
| 18:32:08 | kergoth` | as though i were flashing |
| 18:32:14 | Fluxwerk | Neo|Work: yeah |
| 18:32:22 | kergoth` | stupid thing |
| 18:32:56 | ljp_work | cant claim something you haven't paid for |
| 18:32:57 | Fluxwerk | going to have my taxes done tonight, need to sqeeze as many writeoff's as I can |
| 18:32:59 | Neo|Work | Fluxwerk: well, no, because I have no receipt (contest etc). besides, I got it this year, not last. :P |
| 18:33:05 | Fluxwerk | ljp_work: I bought mine |
| 18:33:15 | Neo|Work | Fluxwerk: last year? |
| 18:33:22 | Fluxwerk | ah shit |
| 18:33:24 | Neo|Work | if you have a business you can certainly write it off |
| 18:33:26 | Fluxwerk | forgot the dates |
| 18:33:52 | Neo|Work | my taxes are already done and submitted weeks ago. :P |
| 18:34:13 | kergoth` | woot! I'm running opie on oz 3 |
| 18:34:15 | kergoth` | its happy |
| 18:34:16 | Fluxwerk | Neo|Work: I'm on a 1099 and don't pay during the year, so I ten d to put it off |
| 18:34:39 | Neo|Work | Fluxwerk: yeah, I've had that problem too. Side income if you wish |
| 18:34:40 | Fluxwerk | kergoth getting close |
| 18:34:50 | kergoth` | yeah |
| 18:34:51 | kergoth` | time for food |
| 18:35:14 | Neo|Work | fortunately (well, not really) this year that wasn't a factor and with two new kids, house payment and such we paid quite a lot too much |
| 18:35:27 | Neo|Work | kergoth: k00l |
| 18:36:19 | Fluxwerk | cell phone |
| 18:36:23 | Fluxwerk | another thing |
| 18:36:24 | Neo|Work | man. need drink... |
| 18:36:28 | Fluxwerk | adds to the list |
| 18:36:33 | ljp_work | kergoth: what date did you grab the cvs? |
| 18:36:36 | Neo|Work | is away: afk for a while - getting a drink |
| 18:39:03 | riskable | still has to do his state taxes |
| 18:39:49 | ep0ch | can i buy the .ogg vorbis player yet? |
| 18:47:30 | BigBoss | it will be up and Handandgo later today |
| 18:47:34 | BigBoss | on our web site in a day or so |
| 18:48:08 | killefiz | ?? You're loosing money on handago so why put it there first? |
| 18:48:22 | warmi | losing money ? |
| 18:48:22 | ljp_work | exposure |
| 18:48:42 | ep0ch | cheers |
| 18:48:46 | killefiz | ljp_work: Exposure is the answer for why handago at all |
| 18:48:55 | killefiz | but not for why handago first |
| 18:49:11 | peanut | bb: you're putting up an ogg vorbis player? |
| 18:49:24 | warmi | well, theKompany is not exactly household name beyond Linux/Unix community |
| 18:49:59 | BigBoss | because I can get it on Handandgo faster than updating our web site |
| 18:50:04 | Rince | :-) |
| 18:50:09 | BigBoss | and the exposure is good, people go to myzaurus first |
| 18:50:18 | BigBoss | we sell about twice on handandgo as we do directly |
| 18:50:21 | riskable | Just a reminder: If any of you have some news to announce (i.e. a new software product), feel free to post it at Zaurus.LovesLinux.com using the news submission form or email me: YouKnowWho@YouKnowWhat.com |
| 18:50:26 | ep0ch | you could send it to me... i can get it up early for you :) |
| 18:50:28 | BigBoss | peanut: ogg and mp3 if I can get the agreement finalized today |
| 18:51:13 | ep0ch | is it going to me integrated into mediacenter? |
| 18:51:31 | ep0ch | s/me/be |
| 18:51:50 | Rince | first needs a Z to test :-) |
| 18:53:21 | BigBoss | MediaCenter and Player are two different apps |
| 18:53:34 | ep0ch | what the difference? |
| 18:53:34 | BigBoss | Player is for playback of ogg and mp3 |
| 18:53:48 | BigBoss | mediacenter includes mod and streaming/internet radio support and later video |
| 18:54:00 | BigBoss | and costs $5 more |
| 18:54:00 | ep0ch | why not just put them together? |
| 18:54:10 | BigBoss | there are reasons |
| 18:54:34 | ep0ch | technical or political? |
| 18:54:36 | peanut | sweet! when are they coming out? |
| 18:54:44 | ep0ch | :) |
| 18:55:05 | riskable | WB NetAmp |
| 18:55:14 | NetAmp | Hiya people, and HOT news today? ;) |
| 18:55:19 | NetAmp | thnx riskable |
| 18:55:26 | riskable | Aye, SharpMobile went live :) |
| 18:55:35 | NetAmp | cool :) |
| 18:55:46 | tux_mike | BigBoss: but does mediacenter have support for mp3s? |
| 18:56:14 | riskable | How many tones can the buzzer support? |
| 18:56:28 | BigBoss | yes tux |
| 18:56:29 | riskable | ...or is it strictly a buzzing sound? |
| 18:56:37 | tux_mike | cool |
| 18:56:44 | BigBoss | peanut: Player should be today, and MediaCenter about 2 weeks |
| 18:57:17 | ep0ch | can't wait for portable .ogg playback |
| 18:57:40 | treke_ | BigBoss : any plans for an upgrade to MediaCenter? |
| 18:57:52 | ep0ch | whats the gap like between songs when playing .ogg? |
| 18:58:02 | treke_ | so people can get a decent player while waiting for mediacenter to be finished? |
| 18:58:57 | riskable | Is there an upgrade path from Player to MediaCenter? |
| 18:59:05 | peanut | hrmm.. |
| 18:59:11 | Neo|Work | killefiz: the handango size might not be huge and does cost 30%, but when you get 10x the sales from there... |
| 18:59:11 | finkployd | Can I download the kernel source from Sharp, configure FreeS/WAN into it and then update it on my Z (without losing everything else)? |
| 18:59:12 | peanut | i think i just fucked up the screen on my Z |
| 18:59:23 | kergoth`lunch | finkployd: yeah |
| 18:59:26 | peanut | windex'd it.. is that bad? |
| 18:59:37 | peanut | now there's all these little spots on it.. |
| 18:59:56 | denix | peanut: is it dust? |
| 19:00:00 | killefiz | NeoTron: I'm not arguing about putting sth. on handago at all |
| 19:00:03 | finkployd | kergoth`lunch: Buy doing a "C+D+RESET" with just zImage file on the CF? |
| 19:00:08 | Neo|Work | riskable: the buzzer can probably do all sorts of things, but there's no interface available. at least not documented |
| 19:00:09 | kergoth` | finkployd: yep. |
| 19:00:14 | finkployd | kergoth`: coolness |
| 19:00:19 | peanut | no.. its like a grid of spots |
| 19:00:19 | killefiz | I just wondered about the timing ... |
| 19:00:26 | kergoth` | finkployd: though you may need a bootflag.txt also, i'm not sure if thats needed for both zImage and initrd.bin, or just initrd |
| 19:00:32 | Neo|Work | killefiz: and for tk, it's probably due to time for updating the website and stuff. :P |
| 19:00:33 | peanut | shit.. |
| 19:00:38 | peanut | i think its from me playing minesweeper |
| 19:00:48 | peanut | guess i should get a screen protector eh? |
| 19:00:49 | killefiz | Neo|Work: as BB said ;) |
| 19:00:53 | finkployd | kergoth`: I'll put it on just to be safe. It's just a runlevel option. |
| 19:00:59 | kergoth` | finkployd: yep |
| 19:01:20 | denix | btw, it's not very good that dust can easily get under the screen... |
| 19:01:20 | finkployd | kergoth`: I have a week to get VPN working on the Z before I lose my wireless access at work :( |
| 19:01:21 | kergoth` | finkployd: you know, if you supply an invalid 4 character combo in bootflag.txt, it'll revert to the default runlevel according to the inittab file :-) |
| 19:01:22 | peanut | damn. |
| 19:01:25 | peanut | it is from minesweeper |
| 19:01:26 | kergoth` | finkployd: ah shit |
| 19:01:28 | Rince | Hmm, is Z able to use ipv6? |
| 19:01:29 | peanut | smacks himself! |
| 19:01:38 | Rince | (default) |
| 19:01:48 | ep0ch | is there a use for ipv6? |
| 19:01:57 | Rince | ep0ch: sure. I use it at home regularly |
| 19:02:01 | riskable | If you're running it on your internal network there is |
| 19:02:02 | Rince | (since I have my /64) |
| 19:02:14 | Gepeto | Rince: IPwhore:) |
| 19:02:17 | peanut | which screen protectors fit? |
| 19:02:25 | riskable | Yeah, need lots of IPs for home... You got your main box, your server, your Z, the fridge, toaster, washing machine/dryer, etc |
| 19:02:31 | ep0ch | how many machines do you have on your internal network? |
| 19:02:33 | Rince | Gepeto: why? my company has it's own STLA :-) |
| 19:02:39 | finkployd | peanut: Palm V ones sort of fit. A little cutting may be necessary |
| 19:02:39 | Gepeto | Rince: IP whores |
| 19:02:44 | Rince | *g* |
| 19:02:47 | ep0ch | ip4 can cover those |
| 19:02:51 | riskable | My company owns a few class As =) |
| 19:03:01 | Gepeto | my company has 4IPs :) |
| 19:03:03 | Rince | riskable: RFC1918 or real ones? |
| 19:03:07 | bewmIES | But why do you need public IP's for home? |
| 19:03:16 | Gepeto | bewmIES: host mail :) |
| 19:03:18 | bewmIES | I have an entire class A too: 10.0.0.0/8 |
| 19:03:18 | Gepeto | and stuff |
| 19:03:20 | Gepeto | and more mail |
| 19:03:21 | denix | since we are talking about sound... there is only 1 sound plug both for audio out/mic. how do I suppose to plug stereo headsed with microphone at the same time? is it possible at all? |
| 19:03:22 | ep0ch | but they wouldn't be public if there internal |
| 19:03:25 | Rince | bewmIES: because I offer services, like webserver (on different platforms, for developing) |
| 19:03:25 | finkployd | I think we own 128.118 and 146.186 |
| 19:03:28 | bewmIES | You need one IP and NAT the rest |
| 19:03:44 | Gepeto | bewmIES: that's what I do here |
| 19:03:45 | bewmIES | Oh, I thought we were talking about homes (freezers, toasters, Z, etc) |
| 19:03:48 | riskable | NAT through your NAT |
| 19:04:25 | NetAmp | is the screen that bad? Wouldn't expect that from Sharp... |
| 19:04:34 | NetAmp | :( |
| 19:04:46 | riskable | What about the screen? |
| 19:04:52 | riskable | I think the screen is great |
| 19:05:00 | ep0ch | It takes about 63,000 trees to make the newsprint for the average Sunday edition of The New York Times. |
| 19:05:08 | finkployd | I've got some annoying dust in my screen :( |
| 19:05:09 | NetAmp | riskable: nah but the sensitivity for dust/scratches |
| 19:05:23 | NetAmp | They should ship protectors with 'em |
| 19:05:23 | ep0ch | is it just me, or is that a lot of trees |
| 19:05:25 | finkployd | No scratches though |
| 19:05:54 | NetAmp | finkployd: you think it's easy to clean? |
| 19:05:54 | denix | yeah, I have some dust on the back side of my screen too... |
| 19:06:02 | riskable | note to self: Buy protector |
| 19:06:11 | finkployd | NetAmp: Pretty easy. I tend to just use my shirt though :) |
| 19:06:18 | NetAmp | finkployd: hah ;) |
| 19:06:20 | riskable | is a shirt man himself |
| 19:06:28 | finkployd | A protector will likely not help the dust issue |
| 19:06:34 | NetAmp | Maybe you can take off the part where the dust gets under, and whipe it with anti-static |
| 19:06:42 | denix | finkployd: how would you remove dust from under the screen though? |
| 19:06:43 | riskable | I forget to turn it off before I wipe though... Always a big mistake. I think I launched the whole tkcBundle yesterday |
| 19:06:45 | finkployd | you are kinda phucked when it gets into your screen |
| 19:06:56 | NetAmp | wipe even |
| 19:07:36 | NetAmp | lol @ riskable |
| 19:07:52 | NetAmp | that's what you get from using a touchscreen ;) |
| 19:07:53 | denix | so, nobody's gonna tell me about audio plug then? |
| 19:08:46 | finkployd | denix: I don't think it is possible |
| 19:08:47 | riskable | denix: Just get a headet that supports a Mic/headphone jack or buy an adapter from Radio Shack for $2 |
| 19:08:48 | peanut | denix: get a combo mic/headset like cell phones |
| 19:08:51 | peanut | finkployd: it is possible |
| 19:09:08 | finkployd | stands corrected |
| 19:09:26 | peanut | was using his old agenda mic/headset, but I lost that :( |
| 19:09:37 | NetAmp | :( |
| 19:09:51 | peanut | the headset, not the agenda |
| 19:09:56 | NetAmp | heh ;) |
| 19:09:59 | NetAmp | still.. |
| 19:10:07 | denix | thanx, but those headsets are mono... |
| 19:10:10 | finkployd | Just to clarify, it is possible to have a STEREO headset with microphone plugged in at the same time? |
| 19:10:16 | NetAmp | yeah the mono-thing sucks |
| 19:10:28 | riskable | finkployd: I believe so |
| 19:10:38 | denix | finkployd: EXACTLY my question! :) |
| 19:10:40 | NetAmp | maybe with a splitter thingy? |
| 19:11:02 | riskable | Well, I think it has to be stereo... Because the Z supports stereo sound |
| 19:11:08 | finkployd | denix: I know, but everyone was answering with mono solutions :) |
| 19:11:29 | riskable | The mic part of the connector is in a different location than the left/right channels I believe |
| 19:11:31 | finkployd | So I was clarifying :) |
| 19:11:48 | Fluxwerk | why an external mic? |
| 19:11:51 | denix | riskable: do you have the plug spec then? |
| 19:12:01 | NetAmp | Fluxwerk: because it has no internal |
| 19:12:12 | ep0ch | lol |
| 19:12:26 | riskable | well, I've physically looked at those plugs before and they have three parts: top (mic I think), middle (left), and bottom (right). At least, I THINK that's correct) |
| 19:12:28 | Fluxwerk | I could have sworn I used the voice recorder |
| 19:12:49 | denix | riskable: huh, where is the ground then? |
| 19:13:31 | denix | usually stereo plug has left, right and ground/common pins |
| 19:13:31 | NetAmp | heh, maybe the Z does pick up sound in a sneaky way that Sharp didn't document ;) |
| 19:13:37 | riskable | The Z needs a standard speaker, built-in microphone and a built-in camera :) |
| 19:13:55 | riskable | Well, the VERY bottom is the ground I believe |
| 19:14:00 | Rince | riskable: next generation :-) |
| 19:14:07 | Rince | Z^2 ;-) |
| 19:14:09 | NetAmp | SL-6000 |
| 19:14:20 | denix | suruaZ :) |
| 19:14:26 | riskable | Sharp Mega-Zaurus 6000 |
| 19:14:28 | finkployd | a plug with right, left, and mic would need four contacts right? |
| 19:14:34 | riskable | Yes |
| 19:14:39 | denix | right |
| 19:14:44 | Neo|Work | denix: the aduio input/output has left, right out, mic in and ground |
| 19:15:00 | finkployd | has never seen a plug with four contacts |
| 19:15:01 | Neo|Work | i.e they have 4 parts |
| 19:15:04 | finkployd | granted, I haven't been looking |
| 19:15:13 | Neo|Work | I believe that's how it works at least |
| 19:15:16 | denix | NeoTron: ok, is there any STEREO headsets with mic and 4-pins connector? |
| 19:15:17 | benmeyer | where do I get ipkg-build? |
| 19:15:21 | riskable | I'm tellin ya, a quick stop at Radio Shack will solve all your problems :) |
| 19:15:26 | Neo|Work | denix: that on the other hand, I do not know |
| 19:15:36 | NetAmp | riskable: Maybe you could sell them on zaurus.loveslinux next to the Custom Styli ;) |
| 19:15:38 | finkployd | Radio Shack: You've got questions, we've got blank stares |
| 19:15:40 | Neo|Work | but I'm guessing. :P |
| 19:16:22 | denix | huh! :) I can guess too... ;) |
| 19:16:44 | Neo|Work | zaurus@LL uses the same forum zauruszone uses? |
| 19:16:50 | Neo|Work | interface seems very close |
| 19:17:08 | denix | all I've seen before is mono headsets with one 3-pins connector or stereo headset with two 3-pins connectors separate for audio out and mic in... |
| 19:17:10 | Gepeto | Ikon? |
| 19:17:10 | finkployd | zaurus@LL almost seems slash based |
| 19:17:21 | finkployd | denix: ditto |
| 19:18:20 | NetAmp | Oh well... maybe it isn't so bad that there's no external speaker ;) |
| 19:18:42 | NetAmp | After all I wouldn't want my $500 investment to attract TOO much attention1 |
| 19:18:47 | riskable | Zaurus@LL uses XForum |
| 19:18:48 | warmi | riskable: how can I reach you via email ? |
| 19:19:13 | riskable | XForum as a module to PostNuke .712 |
| 19:19:21 | riskable | think plugin |
| 19:19:51 | riskable | It's nice and fast. PostNuke uses PHP (not like slash which uses perl) + MySQL |
| 19:20:02 | Gepeto | Yeah |
| 19:20:05 | riskable | However, PostNuke can also use other databases thanks to it's AODB integration |
| 19:20:13 | Gepeto | postnuke is cool |
| 19:20:19 | NetAmp | Nuke 'em! |
| 19:20:22 | Gepeto | a forum I like too is PhpBB |
| 19:20:24 | riskable | So if Zaurus@LL every gets super popular (like, as popular as Slashdot), I could move it to an Oracle back-end if I needed to :) |
| 19:20:27 | Gepeto | I run it for school stuff |
| 19:20:40 | riskable | I like PhpBB |
| 19:20:52 | Gepeto | I like it too else I wouldn't run it :D |
| 19:21:00 | NetAmp | heh |
| 19:21:03 | riskable | PhpBB is very similar to XForum, but I think XForum edges it out a bit in the better dept. |
| 19:21:19 | Gepeto | what's better about XForum? |
| 19:21:22 | riskable | Mostly because of back-end features that users don't see... Like automatic upgrades :) |
| 19:21:39 | riskable | The admin interface and theme creation is easier as well |
| 19:21:49 | riskable | Both are excellent forums though |
| 19:22:29 | Gepeto | well for my small forum (got around 300 posts in hmm...what...5days) phpBB is perfect |
| 19:23:16 | benmeyer | Anyone here built a package for the z? |
| 19:23:29 | Twiun | benmeyer: Yeah |
| 19:23:40 | benmeyer | What documentation did you use to learn how? |
| 19:24:00 | Twiun | Hmmm... this channel and the ipkg page on the handhelds.org wiki |
| 19:24:19 | Twiun | the wiki page is very useful |
| 19:24:31 | kergoth` | benmeyer: generally, i find people prefer the ipkg-build script from the handhelds wiki to the mkipks script in the sdk |
| 19:24:42 | Twiun | completely agrees |
| 19:24:48 | benmeyer | ok, where is that documentation :) |
| 19:25:15 | Twiun | shakes kergoth`'s hand |
| 19:25:15 | benmeyer | handhelds.org? |
| 19:25:20 | Twiun | Yep |
| 19:25:23 | Twiun | let me get the url |
| 19:25:28 | benmeyer | Hmmm.. was already there |
| 19:25:36 | kergoth` | benmeyer: google. ipkg. first link |
| 19:25:38 | benmeyer | Doesn't tell you how to get it |
| 19:25:39 | kergoth` | benmeyer: :-P |
| 19:25:45 | benmeyer | the file that is |
| 19:25:59 | Twiun | Yeah... I had to get it from cvs |
| 19:26:06 | kergoth` | ipkg-build? iirc its in the handhelds.org cvs.. in familiar/dist/ipkg/scripts or something similar |
| 19:26:08 | kergoth` | yeah that |
| 19:26:10 | kergoth` | heh :-) |
| 19:26:29 | Twiun | It's a bitch, but it's easier than tearing my hair out for 2 hours |
| 19:27:18 | kergoth` | benmeyer: since its a shell script, you could easily grab a url to it using the web ccvs interface on handhelds.org |
| 19:27:24 | Twiun | benmeyer: http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/BuildingIpkgs |
| 19:27:39 | Twiun | (the instructions) |
| 19:28:05 | benmeyer | need the file before I can use it: |
| 19:28:11 | benmeyer | can't believe I have to go to cvs |
| 19:28:14 | kergoth` | hehe |
| 19:28:19 | benmeyer | anyone else see that as _dumb_ |
| 19:28:22 | kergoth` | like i said, get it through the web interface |
| 19:28:24 | Twiun | It's a hard world |
| 19:30:14 | benmeyer | well I shale just rip it out of there cvs for my howto :) |
| 19:30:14 | Twiun | benmeyer: http://adorphuye.com/jason/ipkg-build |
| 19:30:23 | benmeyer | http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/familiar/dist/ipkg/util/ipkg-build?rev=1.8&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup |
| 19:30:30 | Twiun | rofl |
| 19:30:32 | kergoth` | hehe. there ya go |
| 19:31:32 | NetAmp | darn flu... heck I feel almost zombie-like... |
| 19:31:38 | NetAmp | hope IRC isn't contagious ;) |
| 19:31:40 | NetAmp | heh |
| 19:31:45 | Twiun | sneezes |
| 19:31:46 | NetAmp | have a nice day y'all |
| 19:31:53 | NetAmp | 's gonna find his bed |
| 19:33:48 | benmeyer | grr I can't belive how much documentation is all over the place. Probably going to be another 3 weeks before I can actualy have fun and code. |
| 19:33:56 | Twiun | Hehe |
| 19:34:02 | Neo|Work | is ipkg-build better than mkipkg? |
| 19:34:10 | Twiun | benmeyer: Did Jason tell you I'm working on a Java faq? |
| 19:34:17 | benmeyer | oh? |
| 19:34:22 | benmeyer | I would love to incorperate it |
| 19:34:22 | Neo|Work | Twiun: that's easy enough: |
| 19:34:36 | Neo|Work | Q: What is Java? A: You don't want to know. |
| 19:34:38 | benmeyer | I am going to have many mini-howoto's |
| 19:34:41 | benmeyer | haha |
| 19:34:42 | Twiun | Neo|Work: rofl |
| 19:34:49 | Neo|Work | Q: Can I use Java on the Zaurus? a: Sure, but why would you want to? |
| 19:34:51 | Neo|Work | etc. P) |
| 19:34:57 | benmeyer | From setting up your compiler to setting up feeds |
| 19:35:08 | benmeyer | Intro to QT, books etc |
| 19:35:10 | benmeyer | anything |
| 19:35:37 | Twiun | That's cool... mine should slot right in - I'm covering developing in java for the Z - with special mention of the possible problems |
| 19:36:00 | Twiun | grumbles about Jeode... |
| 19:36:04 | benmeyer | Anyone else have howtos that they would like to incorperate? |
| 19:36:12 | benmeyer | Howto install a tenet server? |
| 19:36:26 | benmeyer | Little things that people ask over and over |
| 19:36:28 | finkployd | I should have a VPN howto in a week or so (I hope) |
| 19:36:36 | Neo|Work | benmeyer: how to do fullscreen rendering? |
| 19:36:41 | Twiun | Here's a great one: Howto build an ipk file that installs in CF/SD too! |
| 19:36:49 | benmeyer | good |
| 19:37:03 | benmeyer | Do you know or are looking for one? |
| 19:37:13 | ep0ch | has anyone managed to get the Zaurus to share a modem under win2k? |
| 19:37:14 | Neo|Work | benmeyer: shorted down to remove the things that did not work http://eongames.com/diary/2002-02-28.html |
| 19:37:25 | Twiun | I know the answer for Java packages... I'm assuming it's the same for Qtopia ones |
| 19:37:36 | Neo|Work | Twiun: to be honest, I never had a problem with that. :P |
| 19:38:03 | Twiun | Neo|Work: Hah! Try installing Konq/e on the 1.13 rom |
| 19:38:22 | Neo|Work | Twiun: well, in MAKING ipkgs etc |
| 19:38:27 | Twiun | Ahhhhh |
| 19:38:36 | Neo|Work | except the naming issue - can't have a _ in the "name" part of the ipkg |
| 19:38:40 | Twiun | should've known better |
| 19:39:18 | Neo|Work | but in Eligo for example I had to do nothing special to be able to load themes installed on any medium |
| 19:39:21 | Neo|Work | due to the symlinking |
| 19:39:27 | Neo|Work | which, actually, is pretty nice. :P |
| 19:39:49 | Twiun | Heh |
| 19:40:04 | riskable | If anyone wants to write an FAQ for my site, I can give you admin access to the FAQ interface |
| 19:40:36 | Gepeto | riskable: I want a zaurus |
| 19:40:45 | Twiun | riskable: I'll use my cobbled-together one for now - it's agood learning experience (I add functionality as I need it) |
| 19:42:40 | MrX | anyone knows how i can use two different libc.so.6 on the z ? in /lib is version 2.2.2 and the app i want to use need 2.2.3, i copy the 2.2.3 to /usr/lib, but app only find the version at /lib .. |
| 19:42:58 | riskable | Wow, my site reached 100 guests! That's the highest I've ever seen on a PostNuke site |
| 19:43:48 | Neo|Work | I think there's still hope for the Zaurus... :P |
| 19:43:59 | Neo|Work | s/still // or so |
| 19:44:26 | riskable | Hope? The only hope that's going to be needed is for PocketPC and Palm! They better hope we don't take ALL their market share! |
| 19:45:17 | Neo|Work | well, I hope Sharp or at least Linux/Qtopia based PDA's in general can outperform Pocket PC. :P |
| 19:45:27 | riskable | I hope so too |
| 19:45:34 | Neo|Work | and if PalmOS goes down the drain (which so many seem to predict) that those move to Zaurus instead. :P |
| 19:45:34 | mtm | anyone know if Java on the Z includes the Java Media API for sound support? |
| 19:45:39 | riskable | I think the Zaurus has a severe advantage though with it's keyboard :) |
| 19:45:46 | Neo|Work | Sharp is definitely taking this seriously though |
| 19:45:52 | warmi | is it ? |
| 19:45:55 | Twiun | mtm: Not presently |
| 19:45:58 | Neo|Work | the keyboard is cool and rather unique _now_ but don't think there won't be imitators |
| 19:46:06 | warmi | not as far as syncing is concerned |
| 19:46:14 | Twiun | mtm: Support is only for the PErsonalJava 1.2 classes (jdk1.1.8 equivalent) |
| 19:46:20 | mtm | yeah |
| 19:46:25 | Neo|Work | warmi: they are actually working on rewriting that from scratch according to the sharp representatives in this channel |
| 19:46:33 | Neo|Work | anyhow, lunch time. |
| 19:46:48 | riskable | Any of you guys know if Jeode (java) apps are ever going to be able to be sent to the background on the Z? |
| 19:46:57 | mtm | any idea if it would be possible to run those media packages on PJava, or do they require other features that are not available? |
| 19:47:22 | Twiun | mtm: I'm virtually certain the JMF stuff uses native code heavily |
| 19:47:28 | mtm | ok |
| 19:47:31 | Twiun | mtm: Sun would have to port that |
| 19:48:04 | warmi | yeah, I know they do but that should have been done before ... |
| 19:48:05 | Twiun | riskable: I have no idea... better ask Ben/Jason so they can forward it - I'm curious too |
| 19:48:24 | warmi | wsj and other reviews will make it harder to compete .. that could have been avoided |
| 19:48:48 | warmi | anyway, good thing they at last acknowledge the problem |
| 19:49:04 | denix | Neo|Work: what are they working on? sorry, I've missed something... |
| 19:50:40 | benmeyer | riskable: sorry I do not know |
| 19:53:29 | warmi | denix: JasonNJ (sharp representative) said they are working on native synch protocl( not using TCP.IP) for WIndows2000 |
| 19:53:52 | warmi | basically, similar to what Palm and PocketPC are using |
| 19:54:18 | denix | warmi: why do they (we) need it? |
| 19:54:53 | ep0ch | works fine as it is |
| 19:55:03 | denix | ep0ch: agree |
| 19:55:34 | kergoth` | gah |
| 19:55:41 | kergoth` | stupid stupid buildsystem |
| 19:55:44 | denix | what's the reason to change over to the PPP-over-USB from current Ethernet-over-USB? |
| 19:55:56 | kergoth` | I HATE it when people have tests in autoconf and fail to set defaults, so that it fails on crosscompile |
| 19:56:00 | kergoth` | stupid motherfuckers |
| 19:56:14 | ep0ch | you tell em kergoth |
| 19:56:46 | kergoth` | now i have to either patch the configure.[in|ac] or lie to autoconf and override the variables when i make |
| 19:56:50 | kergoth` | heh |
| 19:57:03 | warmi | denix: beacuse there are issues with TCP/IP |
| 19:57:03 | ljp_work | hates autoconf |
| 19:57:07 | kergoth` | too |
| 19:57:40 | warmi | denix: not PPP ... just proprietary synch protocol using USB |
| 19:57:41 | kergoth` | checking whether byte ordering is bigendian... configure: error: can not run test program while cross compiling |
| 19:57:42 | kergoth` | make[1]: *** [/home/kergoth/buildsystem/buildroot-oz/build/stamps/e2fsprogs-1.27/stamp-binary] Error 1 |
| 19:57:47 | kergoth` | grr |
| 19:57:47 | ep0ch | the only issue i have is that my firewall sometimes gets in knickers in a twist |
| 19:57:48 | riskable | PPP-over-USB is less "*EXPERIMENTAL*" than Ethernet-over-USB |
| 19:58:03 | kergoth` | riskable: ppp over usb used to crash my box on a regular basis |
| 19:58:07 | kergoth` | riskable: heh |
| 19:58:13 | warmi | hi scribe |
| 19:58:23 | scribe | Hey warmi. How's life? |
| 19:58:48 | ep0ch | come on! we want vorbis and we want it now!!! |
| 19:58:53 | ep0ch | :) |
| 19:59:24 | riskable | OK, time for me to go home from work... See you blokes latah. And if any of you developer types have new releases, update Zaurus@LL! |
| 19:59:26 | Gepeto | ep0ch: get X working on your Z and compile freeamp :) |
| 19:59:38 | Twiun | Guys... anyone use jsp's? |
| 19:59:40 | Gepeto | Zarus@ll url please :) |
| 19:59:46 | riskable | Zaurus.LovesLinux.com |
| 19:59:51 | ljp_work | the apocalypse is here! Ozzy Osborne got invited to the White House!! Look Out!!! |
| 19:59:56 | kergoth` | lol |
| 20:00:00 | Gepeto | ah that's what the LL meant |
| 20:00:12 | riskable | OK, I'm outta here, cya |
| 20:00:15 | ep0ch | is freeamp using the non-fp version of vorbis decoder? |
| 20:00:24 | Gepeto | ep0ch: I'm not sure |
| 20:00:30 | ep0ch | it wont be |
| 20:00:34 | warmi | scribe: not bad. .. are you submiting your app for final stage ? |
| 20:00:39 | ep0ch | i dont think |
| 20:00:53 | kergoth` | argh! |
| 20:00:54 | kergoth` | look at this |
| 20:00:56 | kergoth` | configure.in:508: warning: AC_TRY_RUN called without default to allow cross compiling |
| 20:00:56 | kergoth` | configure.in:509: warning: AC_TRY_RUN called without default to allow cross compiling |
| 20:00:56 | kergoth` | configure.in:510: warning: AC_TRY_RUN called without default to allow cross compiling |
| 20:00:56 | kergoth` | configure.in:511: warning: AC_TRY_RUN called without default to allow cross compiling |
| 20:01:01 | kergoth` | growls |
| 20:01:21 | ep0ch | lets look at that again in slow motion: |
| 20:01:24 | ep0ch | configure.in:508: warning: AC_TRY_RUN called without default to allow cross compiling |
| 20:01:26 | ljp_work | kergoth: what are you trying to compile? |
| 20:01:30 | ep0ch | configure.in:509: warning: AC_TRY_RUN called without default to allow cross compiling |
| 20:01:34 | kergoth` | ljp_work: e2fsprogs |
| 20:01:38 | kergoth` | ep0ch: lol |
| 20:01:41 | ep0ch | ..... |
| 20:01:42 | ep0ch | zzz |
| 20:01:55 | kergoth` | dont mock my frustration, damn you |
| 20:01:55 | kergoth` | :-P |
| 20:02:11 | ep0ch | kergoth you know what the problem is? |
| 20:02:15 | scribe | warmi: Well, I can't make a zaurus binary for it |
| 20:02:26 | kergoth` | that AC_TRY_RUN was called without a default? |
| 20:02:27 | kergoth` | heheh |
| 20:02:30 | ep0ch | yeah |
| 20:02:33 | ep0ch | sort it out m8 |
| 20:02:37 | ep0ch | :p |
| 20:02:50 | ep0ch | brb... food |
| 20:02:54 | kergoth` | dives headlong into autoconf. wish me luck. |
| 20:03:03 | scribe | warmi: I might just submit the ipaq ipk, even though it doesn't install to the correct place or is compiled with the proper libs (not sure about this one). |
| 20:03:30 | warmi | scribe: I have Z |
| 20:03:34 | warmi | I can make binary for you |
| 20:03:40 | scribe | warmi: But I'm gonna be traveling on business for 5 weeks abroad, so not sure if I'll have time. |
| 20:03:57 | warmi | well, it is up to you .. you can always reach me at warmi@warmi.net |
| 20:04:32 | scribe | warmi: wow! thanks! That would be cool. Not sure how much work it would be. I wouldn't want to take up too much of your time. |
| 20:04:59 | warmi | well,that's fine .. |
| 20:05:15 | warmi | I am working on this stuff all the time anyway |
| 20:05:42 | scribe | warmi: so you already have a build environment set up? you think it would be easy to compile and link if you had the latest sources? |
| 20:06:15 | warmi | yeah, of course, I have it set up for my own entry |
| 20:06:47 | benmeyer | yah! Yet *another* software listing at http://Zaurus.LovesLinux.com/ |
| 20:06:48 | benmeyer | sigh |
| 20:06:50 | scribe | warmi: what did you submit? Sorry, my memory is bad in my old age |
| 20:06:57 | warmi | yeah, if I had latest source plus some lates ipaq package ( so I can figure out where all the pieces go ) I could easily doit |
| 20:07:11 | warmi | www.warmi.net/zaurus |
| 20:07:19 | warmi | a little game |
| 20:07:20 | warmi | -) |
| 20:07:52 | benmeyer | Submit it to: http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 20:08:01 | benmeyer | I don't see it there right now |
| 20:08:02 | killefiz | already there |
| 20:08:05 | scribe | warmi: hey! that's nice lookin' |
| 20:08:05 | benmeyer | cool |
| 20:08:35 | warmi | scribe: thanks .. I am no artist but one spends enough time one can always come up with someting |
| 20:08:36 | warmi | ) |
| 20:09:44 | warmi | scribe: so if you want then send me ( or point me to ) latest source + ipaq ipk .. |
| 20:09:51 | warmi | and I will do Z package for you |
| 20:09:58 | scribe | warmi: ok, I'll spend a couple days updating the software to latest sword libs and some small fixes. I'll update the ipk files in the feed for the ipaq, and put the source out there. I'll look for ya to let ya know. |
| 20:10:10 | ljp_work | hates daylight savings.. and needs more espresso |
| 20:10:36 | kergoth` | ljp_work: know how ya feel |
| 20:10:39 | warmi | ok , no problem |
| 20:11:18 | scribe | actually, latest ipk files are on the ipaq feed at: http://www.crosswire.org/feeds/arm/ |
| 20:11:33 | scribe | But I want to add a tree index for general book support |
| 20:11:37 | Gepeto | hey, is there any good text editor out for zaurus aside from tkc's ? |
| 20:11:39 | scribe | shouldn't take more than a day |
| 20:11:56 | warmi | ok , just let me know when you are ready |
| 20:12:29 | ljp_work | gepeto: opies texteditor.. sucks less than the default |
| 20:12:30 | scribe | warmi: ok, THANKS! You're too cool. I'll put the source in this same directory. And I'll look for ya when I get it done. |
| 20:12:53 | warmi | no problem :-) |
| 20:13:25 | scribe | warmi: ps. do you know if the Z has a unicode font installed by default? |
| 20:13:32 | Gepeto | ljp_work: what are the drawbacks of using opie? |
| 20:13:48 | ljp_work | you can use opie apps on the Z |
| 20:13:57 | ljp_work | don't need to whole thing |
| 20:13:57 | Gepeto | Said drawbacks :) |
| 20:13:58 | benmeyer | some |
| 20:13:59 | benmeyer | :) |
| 20:14:00 | scribe | I got unicode support working on the ipaq but had to install a font |
| 20:14:01 | Gepeto | Ahhh |
| 20:14:02 | Gepeto | I see |
| 20:14:08 | Gepeto | so I could get only the Opie texteditor |
| 20:14:12 | ljp_work | there are no drawbacks |
| 20:14:20 | warmi | I have no idea .... it does have Unicode as one of the options for pickboard |
| 20:14:21 | ljp_work | yes. |
| 20:15:20 | scribe | Ugh! So much to do! OK, back to work.... |
| 20:15:21 | MrX | anyone can help me with a library problem on the z ? |
| 20:16:19 | kergoth` | nice, i got the configure.in patched to make an assumption if it couldnt test |
| 20:16:26 | kergoth` | adds patch to OZ cvs |
| 20:16:48 | warmi | whoa .. seems like FN key got stuck in my Z |
| 20:17:06 | warmi | it is clearly UP but wahtever I type comes out as if FN was pressed |
| 20:17:34 | ljp_work | MrX: whats wrong? |
| 20:18:01 | andyschm | Shift+Fn = Function Lock ? |
| 20:18:42 | MrX | lip_work: the z has libc version 2.2.2 and i habe an application which use 2.2.3 .. i got the 2.2.3 vom ipkfind but the z load always the 2.2.2 from the /lib and not the 2.2.3 from the /usr/lib .... |
| 20:18:53 | MrX | habe = have |
| 20:19:24 | warmi | how to unlock it ?? pressing SHIFT+FN doesn't seem to work |
| 20:20:28 | MrX | twarmi: try Fn and Tab at the same time or Fn and /? at the same time ... |
| 20:20:30 | ljp_work | MrX: you could try changing the symlink that's in /lib to point to your libc |
| 20:20:43 | denix | FN+NUM? |
| 20:20:49 | MrX | li_work: /lib diretory is rom, readonly :( ... |
| 20:21:22 | warmi | thanks ... FN + /? did the trick |
| 20:21:22 | denix | MrX: LD_LIBRARY_PATH? |
| 20:21:39 | denix | warmi: it's FAQ... :) |
| 20:21:41 | MrX | denix: dont work ... |
| 20:21:56 | warmi | hah .. I guess I will have to read it again |
| 20:21:57 | warmi | -) |
| 20:22:01 | MrX | denix: the problem is the z system needs the 2.2.2 version only one app needs the 2.2.3 |
| 20:22:18 | denix | does LD_PRELOAD work? |
| 20:22:22 | ljp_work | install ldconfig.. change it in etc/ldconf, run ldconfig, uninstall ldconfig |
| 20:22:44 | denix | ljp_work: /etc/ld.so.conf? |
| 20:23:39 | kergoth` | argh |
| 20:23:44 | kergoth` | beats e2fsprogs buildsystem |
| 20:24:11 | ljp_work | ya.. that's what I mean.. ughh. I need espresso |
| 20:25:50 | kergoth` | woot |
| 20:25:51 | denix | drink AMP! |
| 20:25:54 | kergoth` | it worked |
| 20:25:56 | kergoth` | amp is good |
| 20:26:05 | kergoth` | bawls is better |
| 20:26:07 | kergoth` | :-) |
| 20:26:42 | denix | maybe... |
| 20:27:07 | | faq is http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/handhelds-faq.html or http://www.sonic.net/~nbs/zaurus-faq/ |
| 20:27:07 | andyschm | ibot faq |
| 20:27:44 | denix | AMP is from Mountain Dew which is kinda geeky beverage with their Code Red... ;))) |
| 20:27:52 | kergoth` | yep |
| 20:28:28 | denix | a little bit expensive though... |
| 20:28:46 | kergoth` | yeah.. isnt it like $1.50 or something a can? |
| 20:29:12 | kergoth` | it tastes pretty good though |
| 20:29:15 | denix | a small 8.4 oz can costs $2 here :( |
| 20:29:19 | kergoth` | ouch |
| 20:29:26 | kergoth` | bawls is cheaper |
| 20:29:26 | kergoth` | hehe |
| 20:29:48 | denix | yeah, it tastes much better then other "Energy Drinks"! |
| 20:29:49 | benmeyer | Can someone e-mail me a desktop file? |
| 20:29:55 | benmeyer | for an example |
| 20:30:00 | benmeyer | of what QTopia needs |
| 20:30:10 | benmeyer | to be user launchable |
| 20:30:42 | denix | who is the Zaurus@LL admin here? |
| 20:30:52 | kergoth` | riskable |
| 20:31:20 | denix | anybody besides him, cause he just left... :) |
| 20:32:14 | benmeyer | I must say that the chick pulling her pants off is definatly an eye catcher |
| 20:32:15 | benmeyer | haha |
| 20:32:18 | kergoth` | dont think so. its his site. |
| 20:32:19 | kergoth` | lol |
| 20:32:22 | kergoth` | no kidding |
| 20:32:26 | kergoth` | like the slogan too? ;-) |
| 20:32:44 | kergoth` | bewmIES: added fsck... (both dosfstools and e2fsprogs) |
| 20:33:00 | andyschm | pros/cons cf-card vs microdrive? |
| 20:33:09 | denix | pity, I have some probs registering. btw, like this chick thing... :) |
| 20:33:14 | sally | How do you use the plastic/rubbery tabs that come with the zaurus? I read somewhere that you use them with cf and sd cards, but I dont see how |
| 20:33:48 | denix | sally: open your zaurus hard copy manual and read about them... |
| 20:33:56 | sally | I looked... I'll look again |
| 20:34:42 | denix | sally: basically, you need them when you have cf card which hard to eject from your Z. stick it to the card BEFORE inserting it |
| 20:34:47 | benmeyer | Even my fiance knows what they are for and I don't |
| 20:34:47 | benmeyer | haha |
| 20:35:36 | denix | andyschm: md is big but very vulnerable and very power-consuming... |
| 20:35:55 | denix | andyschm: cf is very cheap these days though |
| 20:36:06 | kergoth` | is 1gb cf out? |
| 20:36:14 | denix | yeah |
| 20:36:16 | andyschm | hm... vulnerable == bad... esp if its gonna be in my pocket all day. |
| 20:36:20 | kergoth` | nice. |
| 20:36:22 | denix | costs $500+ |
| 20:36:25 | kergoth` | 1gb cf would be nifty |
| 20:36:27 | kergoth` | ouch |
| 20:36:31 | kergoth` | but thats expected |
| 20:37:06 | andyschm | (browsing cdw.com) looks to me like the md are about the same cost per meg as a cf. |
| 20:37:19 | kergoth` | if thats the case, go with cf if you can |
| 20:37:22 | kergoth` | imho |
| 20:37:35 | denix | yeah, $100 for 256M cf is very nice! |
| 20:37:40 | kergoth` | indeed |
| 20:37:49 | kergoth` | i need a cf nic and a sd card |
| 20:37:52 | kergoth` | how much are 128mb sd cards at? |
| 20:37:59 | finkployd | expensive |
| 20:37:59 | denix | kergoth: me too ;) |
| 20:38:02 | andyschm | sd cards are pricy.. |
| 20:38:12 | kergoth` | indeed they are |
| 20:38:15 | finkployd | are MM cards cheaper? |
| 20:38:19 | kergoth` | but they're nice when you have something else in the cf.. |
| 20:38:37 | denix | finkployd: MMC are cheaper than SD |
| 20:38:46 | kergoth` | arent they slower as well though? |
| 20:38:50 | finkployd | denix: And you can use MMC cards in the Z right? |
| 20:38:57 | denix | finkployd: right |
| 20:39:07 | denix | finkployd: read ben's FAQ |
| 20:39:16 | finkployd | url? |
| 20:39:31 | denix | finkployd: I think ALL devices that incorporate SD slot can use MMC |
| 20:39:47 | | faq is http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/handhelds-faq.html or http://www.sonic.net/~nbs/zaurus-faq/ |
| 20:39:47 | denix | ibot faq |
| 20:40:01 | denix | :-P |
| 20:40:48 | andyschm | yeah mmc is cheaper... but I don't see one bigger than 64 meg |
| 20:41:00 | BigBoss | 64mb is the max MMC? what about SD? |
| 20:41:12 | killefiz | BB: 256 |
| 20:41:34 | tux_mike | mmc maxes at 64 |
| 20:42:03 | Neo|Work | and now I'm glad I drank water for lunch |
| 20:42:10 | Neo|Work | since I spilled it all over my shorts. :P |
| 20:42:33 | benmeyer | I finished my ipk howto. Anyone care to review it for me? |
| 20:42:51 | denix | killefiz: where did you see 256 SD??? |
| 20:43:13 | denix | BigBoss: I think 128 SD is the biggest for now |
| 20:43:19 | killefiz | denix: In a local shop |
| 20:43:20 | BigBoss | where is there an 256 SD? |
| 20:43:32 | killefiz | at least I think I saw them |
| 20:43:34 | killefiz | from sandisk |
| 20:43:46 | Neo|Work | sandisk is soon to come out with 512 MB Sd |
| 20:43:54 | denix | I think they've just announced 128 recently... |
| 20:44:12 | denix | Neo|Work: huh, that's very good! |
| 20:45:09 | tux_mike | 256 is still in development |
| 20:45:11 | BigBoss | the problem is that all the periphrials are in the CF slot |
| 20:45:52 | kergoth` | nice, my buildsystem appears to be capable of pulling down from cvs properly |
| 20:45:53 | kergoth` | nifty |
| 20:45:57 | denix | tux_mike: I think so, since I haven't seen any yet. 128 is all over the place though |
| 20:46:31 | tux_mike | someone announced a bt sd card, wifi is soon to come |
| 20:46:40 | denix | BigBoss: yep, that's why we have SD slot along with the CF one ;))) |
| 20:47:18 | denix | tux_mike: I think Palm did. or was it a camera one? don't think so... |
| 20:47:46 | kergoth` | ah shit |
| 20:47:55 | kergoth` | i'm so sick of make |
| 20:48:03 | tux_mike | palm didn't make it, but they caused the development |
| 20:48:56 | Neo|Work | http://www.dpreview.com/news/0109/01092801sdmmc256mb512mb.asp |
| 20:49:10 | denix | tux_mike: I didn't say they developed it, but they have been showing one everywhere... |
| 20:49:31 | tux_mike | yah, they like sd |
| 20:49:43 | tux_mike | i don't get how you can cram wifi into sd |
| 20:49:59 | denix | Neo|Work: and where can I buy one? :) |
| 20:50:45 | mark | Neo|Work: tonnes of downloads now |
| 20:50:53 | denix | Neo|Work: I meant 256/512 MB SD :) |
| 20:51:10 | finkployd | http://wehavethewayout.com/ |
| 20:51:11 | finkployd | http://wehadthewayout.com/ |
| 20:51:12 | finkployd | hehe |
| 20:51:58 | BigBoss | funny |
| 20:53:02 | finkployd | that is classic. Too bad it will probably be forced down soon |
| 20:53:39 | Neo|Work | denix: that's a good question. :P |
| 20:53:47 | Neo|Work | mark: hmm? |
| 20:54:54 | mark | Neo|Work: lots of SA downloads |
| 20:55:11 | denix | mark: what is SA? |
| 20:56:08 | | SA is http://eongames.com/games/sa/ or Strategic Assault - a Command & Conquer clone |
| 20:56:08 | Neo|Work | ibot SA |
| 20:56:16 | Neo|Work | mark: yes, quite a few. :) |
| 20:56:26 | mark | Neo|Work: how are the sales |
| 20:56:43 | Neo|Work | decent but not excellent I suppose |
| 20:56:48 | mark | so picked up |
| 20:56:49 | mark | ? |
| 20:56:54 | tux_mike | NeoTron: plug, plug, plug ;) |
| 20:57:03 | Neo|Work | yeah, somewhat. |
| 20:57:12 | Neo|Work | almost exclusively Handango too |
| 20:57:22 | Neo|Work | Might simply skip the paypal stuff altogether |
| 20:57:42 | scanline | is back (gone 03:09:43) |
| 20:57:49 | Neo|Work | even if I save some 28% that way. not that it's a hassle to do both. :P |
| 20:57:58 | fusion94 | Neo|Work: feel free to paypal me whenever you like |
| 20:58:19 | Neo|Work | fusion94: haha. :P |
| 20:58:25 | fusion94 | :) |
| 20:58:35 | whardier | humps scanline |
| 20:58:51 | Neo|Work | tux_mike: hey, just talking here. ;) <subliminal>go buy my games</subliminal |
| 20:59:01 | scanline | scrambles for his pants and runs away |
| 20:59:26 | kergoth` | whardier: oz 3 out of cvs actually boots and doesnt error in any way, out of the box now |
| 20:59:29 | Neo|Work | hmm. Advertising in IRC would be something <ad>Strategic Assault is the premier game for your Zaurus today</ad> |
| 20:59:30 | kergoth` | whardier: heh |
| 21:00:00 | mark | Neo|Work: well it is |
| 21:00:06 | tux_mike | NeoTron: i'll buy when you release bejeweled clone <subliminal>go make it now</subliminal> |
| 21:00:09 | tux_mike | :) |
| 21:00:16 | tux_mike | whardier: ping |
| 21:00:18 | denix | huh, put my Z on cradle and can't find usb0 anymore!!! |
| 21:00:26 | Neo|Work | tux_mike: You should buy Candy Cruncher when it comes out. I find it more fun than bejeweled |
| 21:00:31 | Neo|Work | heh |
| 21:00:39 | tux_mike | NeoTron: i'll try the demo first |
| 21:00:39 | Neo|Work | is keeping VERY busy in his after-work schedule |
| 21:00:59 | Neo|Work | tux_mike: of course. :P But the PDA version is the best. ;-) I will do the demo too of course |
| 21:01:09 | Neo|Work | btw, you can always download the Linux demo. :) |
| 21:01:15 | treke__ | tux_mike : Theres already a linux demo :) |
| 21:01:33 | tux_mike | but that means i have to stop coding... i just got started |
| 21:01:57 | Neo|Work | I bought the Linux version despite the fact I have the source. Support your local icculuses! |
| 21:01:57 | denix | does anybody know how to get my usb interface back? |
| 21:02:09 | fusion94 | is back (gone 01:04:20) |
| 21:02:10 | treke__ | hehehe |
| 21:02:15 | tux_mike | denix: kick it? |
| 21:02:34 | denix | tux_mike: how? |
| 21:02:36 | treke__ | candy cruncher is such a pda game |
| 21:02:41 | tux_mike | with your foot? |
| 21:03:04 | denix | tux_mike: heh, it's not funny... :) |
| 21:03:05 | Neo|Work | treke__: yes indeed. |
| 21:03:43 | whardier | is apparently on thekompany.com's mailing list |
| 21:04:02 | denix | last time I had the same problem when I installed OpenSSH with buggy install script which screwed my passwd file |
| 21:04:19 | Neo|Work | I need to setup a mailing list or so I think |
| 21:04:48 | denix | I managed to restore it ONLY with hard reset/memory erase... :( |
| 21:05:12 | treke__ | Neo|Work ; any timeframe on cc? |
| 21:05:31 | Neo|Work | treke__: a couple of weeks at best, for a beta or so. perhaps |
| 21:05:36 | Neo|Work | no firm commitment there |
| 21:05:50 | Neo|Work | but I did a lot of progress this weekend |
| 21:06:11 | Neo|Work | however you still need to kill the process (from the shell) and restart once you're game over. :) |
| 21:06:28 | tux_mike | that can't be good |
| 21:07:00 | Neo|Work | tux_mike: it's a drawback, yes. I haven't "activated" the "click to continue" button there. :P |
| 21:07:15 | Neo|Work | you have to press outside the screen to click on it. it's kind of hard to do |
| 21:07:26 | Neo|Work | btw, has anyone noticed that using JPEG images is S L O W? |
| 21:07:42 | Neo|Work | I tried using jpegs for certain images in CC and they loaded like snails in glue |
| 21:07:42 | denix | so can't somebody help me with the usb issue? please... ;) |
| 21:07:56 | Neo|Work | denix: reboot ? |
| 21:08:00 | Neo|Work | and what is the issue exactly |
| 21:08:08 | denix | Neo|Work: just tried... |
| 21:08:29 | treke__ | floating point maybe? |
| 21:08:30 | denix | Neo|Work: I lost my usb0 interface on Z |
| 21:08:59 | Neo|Work | on the zaurus? |
| 21:09:03 | Neo|Work | well, never had that problem |
| 21:09:05 | denix | I've been syncing yesterday from my Windows box at home w/o problems |
| 21:09:06 | Neo|Work | treke__: almost has to be |
| 21:09:30 | Neo|Work | I know when you decode jpegs in GIMP you can choose different methods. I used cjpeg tho |
| 21:09:33 | Neo|Work | so who knows |
| 21:09:47 | denix | Neo|Work: today my linux box seems to not see any new devices on usb bus |
| 21:10:13 | kergoth` | man, i've had so much trouble making usb be happy on my via chipset box at home.. |
| 21:10:14 | kergoth` | ugh |
| 21:11:20 | denix | kergoth`: I have Intel chipset and usb-uhci module loaded along with usbcore, CDCEther, acm, usbdnet... |
| 21:11:27 | Neo|Work | denix: tried rebooting the zaurus, and the linux box? |
| 21:11:38 | Neo|Work | denix: uh. CDCEther ANd usbdnet? |
| 21:11:41 | Neo|Work | choose one. :P |
| 21:11:41 | bewmIES | That won't work |
| 21:12:03 | Neo|Work | if you have a newer rom, which I assume you do, just use usbdnet |
| 21:12:32 | denix | Neo|Work: I know, CDCEther is the original not patched one, so it shouln't be the problem |
| 21:13:25 | denix | tried rebooting Z. didn't tried rebooting my box though |
| 21:13:56 | Neo|Work | well, they are both networking over USB. they might conflict |
| 21:13:58 | Neo|Work | but I don't know |
| 21:14:41 | denix | even more, /proc/bus/usb/devices doesn't have Z listed... |
| 21:15:23 | Neo|Work | denix: ok, did you press the sync button a bunch of time? :P |
| 21:15:43 | denix | Neo|Work: they are both Ethernet-over-USB, but different protocols. CDCEther by default doesn't know about Z (if you hadn't patched it) |
| 21:16:08 | denix | Neo|Work: bunch is how many? :)) |
| 21:18:41 | ljp_work | more than once |
| 21:18:54 | Neo|Work | I really have no clue |
| 21:19:02 | Neo|Work | I'd try to reboot the desktop too |
| 21:19:16 | Neo|Work | or carefully unloading all usb modules in the right order and then modprobin |
| 21:19:27 | Neo|Work | USB stuff sometimes get fux0red up |
| 21:19:32 | denix | ljp_work: if you know the exact amount, please tell me :)) |
| 21:19:35 | tux_mike | NeoTron: do you know anything about qmouseevent? |
| 21:20:03 | ljp_work | sometimes it takes two or three times to get it to see it for some reason |
| 21:20:09 | denix | Neo|Work: have just reloaded usb modules... going to reboot then :( |
| 21:20:59 | denix | ljp_work: I did it 10-20 times. I thought it maybe magical 21-st press... :) |
| 21:21:13 | benmeyer | can ipkq only have 1 feed? |
| 21:21:17 | denix | press = click |
| 21:21:22 | kergoth` | benmeyer: you can add as many feeds as you like |
| 21:21:26 | ljp_work | heh.. did you say haiku while you were pushing it? |
| 21:21:44 | benmeyer | grr I added a feed to /etc/ipkg.conf or whatnot and it isn't picking it up |
| 21:21:52 | kergoth` | benmeyer: ran ipkg update? |
| 21:22:04 | benmeyer | yup |
| 21:22:22 | kergoth` | whats the entry in ipkg.conf look like? |
| 21:22:32 | denix | will see you in a few minutes - he's going to reboot now... |
| 21:22:42 | benmeyer | all it "updates" is an old feed that isn't even in the /etc file anymore... |
| 21:22:56 | kergoth` | ugh |
| 21:23:01 | kergoth` | Z needs to switch to ipkg/C |
| 21:23:09 | kergoth` | benmeyer: paste the ipkg.conf entry |
| 21:23:23 | benmeyer | ipkg.conf is the file |
| 21:23:28 | benmeyer | haha |
| 21:23:28 | tweaker | Does the SMC wifi card work with the 5500? |
| 21:23:39 | benmeyer | src foo http://foo.com/feed/ |
| 21:23:58 | Neo|Work | tux_mike: yes |
| 21:24:35 | tux_mike | NeoTron: do you know where i can find a well-commented example? |
| 21:24:51 | tux_mike | all the TT examples suck |
| 21:25:09 | benmeyer | doc.trolltech.com would be probably your best bet |
| 21:25:22 | benmeyer | don't use the examples just use the class docs |
| 21:26:03 | tux_mike | i'm not looking to take code, i want to learn how to use it. i need it explained, rahter than just a block of code. |
| 21:28:21 | benmeyer | well I guess you can't have 2 feeds on the ZA |
| 21:28:22 | benmeyer | well I guess you can't have 2 feeds on the Z |
| 21:32:09 | JasonNJ | you can have multiple feeds, we just figured out that the network isntall applet is funky |
| 21:32:20 | JasonNJ | gotta hafve the feeds highlighted in order for it to work |
| 21:32:25 | kergoth` | the add/remove app in general is funky |
| 21:32:27 | kergoth` | heh :-) |
| 21:33:25 | benmeyer | They should be checkboxes |
| 21:33:33 | benmeyer | Bug 101 for today... |
| 21:33:39 | kergoth` | only 101? |
| 21:33:43 | kergoth` | :-P |
| 21:34:56 | bewmIES | heh |
| 21:35:33 | bewmIES | Where is setStretchFactor documented? |
| 21:35:43 | bewmIES | I looked under a few classes before and couldn't find it |
| 21:36:01 | Neo|Work | tux_mike: well, it's pretty self-explanatory really |
| 21:36:24 | Neo|Work | you get an event callback and just check the position and such |
| 21:36:34 | tux_mike | i'm not used to working with an event object like this. never had much experience. |
| 21:37:00 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ: I sure hope Sharp is workin on making the installation GUI work |
| 21:37:11 | Neo|Work | other than syncing, it's really one of the black marks on the Zaurus |
| 21:37:20 | kergoth` | i still think we need a ipkgconf ala debconf |
| 21:37:37 | Neo|Work | when I add feeds using the GUI, they always end up being commented out anyway |
| 21:37:37 | benmeyer | ? |
| 21:37:38 | kergoth` | for retrieval of config info on install |
| 21:37:42 | benmeyer | can you show me a screenshot? |
| 21:37:42 | bewmIES | debconf is a double-edged sword |
| 21:37:55 | benmeyer | dselect? |
| 21:38:00 | bewmIES | I like the RPM philosophy of making a package that can be installed without any user input |
| 21:38:03 | fusion94 | bewmIES: heh....it's much more dangerous than that |
| 21:38:18 | bewmIES | (I'm admittedly much more partial to RPM as-is since I use it all day long.) |
| 21:38:27 | Neo|Work | tux_mike: well, just define the mouseMoveEvent (or whatever it's called) in your object and look for the state in the event object |
| 21:38:28 | kergoth` | bewmIES: theres nothing wrong with that.. but some things need configuration to be useful. |
| 21:38:50 | bewmIES | Yeah but I think the configuration should be done seperate from the installation. |
| 21:38:51 | Neo|Work | packages that require user input are generally bad I think |
| 21:38:54 | kergoth` | bewmIES: btw the buildsystem handled cvs checkout of an item in a .mk, and build of it.. i have it pulling down ipkg/C and building and installing |
| 21:38:59 | bewmIES | (in general, not necessarily for the Zaurus/Qtopia) |
| 21:39:06 | kergoth` | s/handled/handles/ |
| 21:39:16 | bewmIES | cool |
| 21:39:27 | bewmIES | I have flashing on my things to do after 8pm :) |
| 21:39:43 | bewmIES | All I want is to ge that ROM on with net. I'm good from there. |
| 21:39:48 | bewmIES | Is there a dhcp client in OZ/ |
| 21:39:56 | kergoth` | want to add one? |
| 21:39:57 | kergoth` | :-P |
| 21:39:59 | bewmIES | I didn't see pump/dhcpcd in the buildroot |
| 21:40:02 | bewmIES | heh |
| 21:40:06 | kergoth` | well once ipkg is happy |
| 21:40:09 | bewmIES | Sure, in a few hours |
| 21:40:10 | tux_mike | NeoTron: i guess my confusion comes from, what exactly gets processed when i have a mouseclick event on, say, a qframe? |
| 21:40:13 | kergoth` | you could probably install the familiar package for it |
| 21:40:16 | bewmIES | I'm kinda partial to pump |
| 21:40:42 | Neo|Work | the widget itself gets the callbackj |
| 21:40:49 | Neo|Work | not quite sure how they are propagated |
| 21:40:52 | bewmIES | Where are all the familiar packages? |
| 21:40:54 | | hmmm... familiar is a Linux distribution for handhelds, at http://familiar.handhelds.org or God in the palm of my hand |
| 21:40:54 | bewmIES | ibot: familiar? |
| 21:41:01 | kergoth` | hah |
| 21:41:02 | Neo|Work | so to handle events you must declare a sub-class |
| 21:41:20 | tux_mike | i need a book for this stuff. |
| 21:42:25 | Neo|Work | sure, get the qt programming book |
| 21:42:26 | bewmIES | The ORA Qt book is pretty good. |
| 21:42:30 | Neo|Work | i have it, pretty decent book |
| 21:42:46 | bewmIES | It assumes you understand OO principles a little bit but it's a pretty good reference. |
| 21:42:51 | killefiz | Is it ok to get the oreilly book on qt3? |
| 21:42:54 | tux_mike | NeoTron: by sub-class, you mean declare a QMouseEvent in the class for the object getting clicked? |
| 21:42:57 | bewmIES | It's a good "figgure out how to do X while having a cigarette" kinda book :) |
| 21:43:03 | bewmIES | kill: That's the book I'm talking about :) |
| 21:43:11 | bewmIES | ORA = O'Reilly Associates |
| 21:43:35 | Neo|Work | tux_mike: I mean, create a class foo : public QWidget { ... } |
| 21:43:37 | killefiz | bewmIES: No, I was asking about the differences between the qt2 revision and the qt3 revision |
| 21:43:50 | killefiz | i.e. is the qt3 book still ok to do qt2 qtopia/qpe stuff? |
| 21:43:51 | Neo|Work | and define the void mouseMoveEvent(QMouseEvent *e) method in that class |
| 21:43:57 | tux_mike | ok |
| 21:43:58 | bewmIES | It's still pretty relevent. |
| 21:44:03 | tux_mike | i see |
| 21:44:09 | kergoth` | ugly build cmd: make oz-base linux glibc ncurses tinylogin busybox debianutils dosfstools e2fsprogs ipkg ifupdown hotplug pcmcia-cs modutils mtd netbase psmisc sysvinit jffs2image |
| 21:44:24 | Neo|Work | it can be derived from other widgets too (not just QWidget) |
| 21:44:28 | bewmIES | You should add a 'kergoth' target :) |
| 21:44:32 | kergoth` | hah |
| 21:44:36 | tux_mike | but, say i want to increment the int i every time the mouse was clicked in the widget, how would i do that? |
| 21:44:37 | JasonNJ | kergoth: you building OZ 3? |
| 21:44:37 | bewmIES | make myshit |
| 21:44:43 | Twiun | rofl |
| 21:44:50 | kergoth` | i need to fix the ability to have a empty target that builds other targets.. then make openzaurus will function again |
| 21:45:24 | bewmIES | heh |
| 21:45:33 | bewmIES | You changed linux.mk back to gz :) |
| 21:45:56 | kergoth` | oops |
| 21:45:59 | kergoth` | forgot about that |
| 21:46:04 | bewmIES | No, that's good |
| 21:46:05 | kergoth` | waits for it to install it all |
| 21:46:05 | bewmIES | Keep it .gz |
| 21:46:08 | kergoth` | k |
| 21:46:13 | bewmIES | (IMHO) |
| 21:46:15 | kergoth` | i need to fix the distclean and clean targets |
| 21:46:20 | bewmIES | For those of us with fast pipes :) |
| 21:46:23 | kergoth` | to wipe the build/stamps/blah dir for the item in question |
| 21:46:46 | bewmIES | Yeah, I'm about to rebuildworld |
| 21:46:49 | kergoth` | JasonNJ: yes.. i've built it a few times.. i'm adding some things to make it be happy |
| 21:47:17 | kergoth` | i like the new stamps setup |
| 21:47:26 | denix | re |
| 21:47:29 | kergoth` | now to reinstall you just touch the stamp-binary |
| 21:47:30 | kergoth` | heh |
| 21:47:32 | kergoth` | re denix |
| 21:47:40 | denix | looks like by PC has a broken usb port :((( |
| 21:47:48 | denix | by -> my |
| 21:48:54 | bewmIES | How do you break a USB port? |
| 21:49:50 | denix | bewmIES: have no idea. I rebooted I it didn't solve the problem. then I changed the usb port and it finally found my Z... |
| 21:50:34 | kergoth` | ack, jffs2image.mk needs to check to see if initrd.bin is too large for the Z |
| 21:50:46 | kergoth` | JasonNJ: does the 5500 still use a 16mb romimage to flash, or is it 32mb? |
| 21:51:03 | bewmIES | Oh the other question I had... how long until the "SD hack" becomes an option for OZ? :) |
| 21:51:11 | Riskable_zaurus | Sup folks |
| 21:51:19 | kergoth` | bewmIES: i'll probably have something for that by the time the full release of 3 is out |
| 21:51:29 | bewmIES | Very cool. |
| 21:51:34 | kergoth` | bewmIES: if not, it'll be an option added via ipkg from the OZ feed later on.. ;-) |
| 21:51:40 | kergoth` | re Riskable_zaurus |
| 21:52:04 | bewmIES | Hmm, how could you implement it via an ipkg? |
| 21:52:11 | bewmIES | (without flashing) |
| 21:52:16 | kergoth` | its just user level changes |
| 21:52:22 | kergoth` | and the OZ rootfs is writable |
| 21:52:43 | bewmIES | Hmm, okay, cool :) |
| 21:52:55 | kergoth` | I'll already have a zImage available that doesnt use the /home ramdisk |
| 21:53:01 | kergoth` | so they just use that, plus the ipkg update |
| 21:53:04 | kergoth` | essentially |
| 21:53:23 | kergoth` | oz 3 will be a set of kernels and 1-2 initrds.. it needs to work on both sl5000d and sl5500, and people need options |
| 21:53:24 | kergoth` | heh |
| 21:54:54 | Riskable_zaurus | Hmm... any way I can download the Today app right to my Z via my wireless card? |
| 21:55:14 | kergoth` | scp? |
| 21:55:15 | kergoth` | wget? |
| 21:55:19 | kergoth` | :-) |
| 21:55:34 | Neo|Work | ...using opera... |
| 21:55:36 | Neo|Work | ftp...? |
| 21:55:38 | kergoth` | that too |
| 21:55:49 | kergoth` | Riskable_zaurus: take your pick |
| 21:55:50 | bewmIES | I can put them someplace ftp-able if it'll make it easier |
| 21:55:51 | kergoth` | heh |
| 21:55:58 | Riskable_zaurus | Hmm... Good ideas |
| 21:56:12 | Riskable_zaurus | I'll wget |
| 21:56:13 | bewmIES | Generally download them to my local box then scp them to the Z |
| 21:56:25 | kergoth` | same here. i love scp |
| 21:56:28 | kergoth` | heh :-) |
| 21:56:43 | kergoth` | bewmIES: i tested ipkg on oz-3.. with the ipkg binary in the oz-base... |
| 21:56:48 | Riskable_zaurus | I didn't realize wget was part of busybox |
| 21:56:59 | kergoth` | bewmIES: 'bad magic number' or something when i tried to install local packages... fucked... |
| 21:57:13 | kergoth` | i love the new color ls in busybox |
| 21:57:14 | kergoth` | its nifty |
| 21:57:22 | kergoth` | i need my color |
| 21:57:25 | kergoth` | :-) |
| 21:57:29 | bewmIES | Hmm, zlib installed? |
| 21:57:37 | bewmIES | That sounds like a libz issue to me. |
| 21:57:49 | kergoth` | ah! i bet i forgot to build that in that build |
| 21:57:53 | kergoth` | hehe |
| 21:57:58 | bewmIES | I *hate* zlib |
| 21:58:01 | kergoth` | me too |
| 21:58:11 | bewmIES | (from this last round of security updates involving it) |
| 21:58:18 | Riskable_zaurus | new color? |
| 21:58:32 | kergoth` | Riskable_zaurus: color support in ls in busybox.. color directory listing |
| 21:58:43 | Riskable_zaurus | Ahh, cool |
| 21:58:46 | kergoth` | opinions? should i try to make lpp work in the z kernel? |
| 21:59:05 | Riskable_zaurus | I was gonna say... I already changed my prompt to be color :) |
| 22:00:02 | kergoth` | eheh |
| 22:01:00 | bewmIES | That reminds me, I need to get sort -g and grep -r in busybox |
| 22:01:04 | bewmIES | Not having those KILLS me |
| 22:01:24 | Riskable_zaurus | got my 128mb SD Card today :) |
| 22:01:43 | Riskable_zaurus | yes! grep -r |
| 22:02:32 | kergoth` | hmm |
| 22:02:41 | kergoth` | where are file magics defined |
| 22:02:45 | kergoth` | for 'file' |
| 22:02:46 | kergoth` | ? |
| 22:03:24 | kergoth` | shit i forgot to convert zlib.mk to the new format |
| 22:03:28 | kergoth` | mutters |
| 22:04:09 | bewmIES | Oh, that's hot zlib |
| 22:04:14 | bewmIES | fileutils? |
| 22:04:24 | bewmIES | No, it's it's own package |
| 22:04:30 | bewmIES | /usr/share/magic |
| 22:04:35 | kergoth` | ah |
| 22:04:40 | kergoth` | theres a magic package? |
| 22:04:41 | kergoth` | hmm |
| 22:04:50 | bewmIES | Name : file Relocations: (not relocateable) |
| 22:04:53 | bewmIES | Description : |
| 22:04:53 | bewmIES | The file command is used to identify a particular file according to the |
| 22:04:53 | bewmIES | type of data contained by the file. |
| 22:04:59 | kergoth` | ah |
| 22:05:03 | kergoth` | i better add file to the buildsystem |
| 22:05:08 | kergoth` | ipkg is saying bad magic |
| 22:05:16 | kergoth` | i think it cant identify the type of file the ipks are |
| 22:05:23 | bewmIES | Oh, heh |
| 22:05:59 | nasa | Howdy |
| 22:06:11 | Riskable_zaurus | damnit, opera needs hold-click support |
| 22:06:19 | nasa | I was wondering if anyone has had any luck with the latest qtopiadesktop? |
| 22:06:53 | denix | nasa: which one is the latest? |
| 22:08:31 | nasa | qtopiadesktop-personal-use-1.5 |
| 22:08:45 | kendrick2 | what has he done. |
| 22:08:47 | kendrick2 | BIG BOSS!!! |
| 22:09:00 | Riskable_zaurus | nothing like using lynx to surf the web through an ssh session on your Z |
| 22:09:19 | kendrick2 | riskable - lynx? use links! |
| 22:09:19 | kendrick2 | ;) |
| 22:09:33 | kergoth` | Riskable_zaurus: should port links-ssl ;-) |
| 22:09:42 | kendrick2 | to-ta-lee :) |
| 22:09:43 | kergoth` | kendrick2: exactly! :-) |
| 22:09:44 | kergoth` | heh |
| 22:09:45 | kendrick2 | and give it an icon |
| 22:09:58 | kendrick2 | a big, blocky, black and white globe |
| 22:09:59 | kendrick2 | heheheheheheh |
| 22:10:03 | kergoth` | hah |
| 22:11:20 | denix | nasa: I use it right now on my Linux box |
| 22:12:13 | nasa | denix: when I try to run it -- I get the following errors: |
| 22:12:13 | kendrick2 | so who else got signed up for tkc mailing list? |
| 22:12:42 | kendrick2 | shawn or someone signed me up... right after the first post came through, i got a cascade of at least 5 "remove me from this list" messages from other subscribers |
| 22:12:46 | nasa | --->remote pda version = 1.1 |
| 22:12:46 | nasa | Get Version Info done; PDA version = 1.1 |
| 22:12:46 | nasa | FileSystemOperator::pdaHomeDir received call but not mine versionInfo(QString) |
| 22:12:46 | nasa | Handshake done; tell all plugins and user; locked = 0 |
| 22:12:46 | nasa | PalmtopConnection::failureReconnect going offline |
| 22:12:47 | nasa | MainWindow::connectionStateChanged to disconnected |
| 22:12:49 | nasa | Logging in as user root |
| 22:12:51 | nasa | Ready! User and password login established 2. |
| 22:13:29 | nasa | What's up with that? |
| 22:14:00 | nasa | Kendrick2 -- I also got signed up for the tkc list |
| 22:14:21 | kendrick2 | what size are icons in qtopia? (for launcher) |
| 22:14:22 | kendrick2 | 32x32? |
| 22:14:25 | ep0ch | which web browser is OZ3 going to use? |
| 22:14:41 | bewmIES | Okay, silly question. What to do when cross compiling and autoconf complains about checking size of long... configure: error: can not run test program while cross compiling |
| 22:14:55 | bewmIES | Well considering Opera isn't "open" I think it's safe to say Konqueror :) |
| 22:15:17 | kergoth` | bewmIES: most likely they didnt set a default for that test |
| 22:15:21 | denix | kendrick2: me too |
| 22:15:28 | ep0ch | konqueror is too fat to install on my Z |
| 22:15:51 | denix | nasa: so, did you got your qtopiadesktop running? |
| 22:15:53 | bewmIES | hmm, okay |
| 22:16:01 | kergoth` | bewmIES: either that, or the test also checks for a define in your headers, and those headers arent being included.. e.g. one of my builds, I had to add the -Iblah/blah to the glibc i built to CFLAGS in the environment prior to running ./configure |
| 22:16:02 | Riskable_zaurus | OK folks, gotta go see a movie... cya |
| 22:16:12 | ep0ch | enjoy |
| 22:16:49 | nasa | denix: The program starts, but it is just a qrey window |
| 22:16:53 | bewmIES | if test "$cross_compiling" = yes; then |
| 22:16:53 | bewmIES | { echo "configure: error: can not run test program while cross compiling" 1>&2; exit 1; } |
| 22:17:01 | denix | nasa: it showes a lot of debug info on my console too, but it works for me |
| 22:17:12 | bewmIES | That's from ./configure, it looks like the package can not be cross-compiled since it will always hit that case |
| 22:17:18 | bewmIES | (This is wget 1.8.1) |
| 22:17:41 | denix | nasa: did you compile it or installed from binary? |
| 22:18:13 | nasa | I downloaded the binary -- didn't know there was a source.... |
| 22:18:50 | bewmIES | ahh, I see what you're saying. Nevermind. |
| 22:19:11 | kergoth` | you can force it to set a default |
| 22:19:12 | kendrick2 | icon for links ;) http://www.sonic.net/~nbs/links.png |
| 22:19:16 | kendrick2 | gotta run |
| 22:19:17 | kergoth` | based on crosscompilation |
| 22:19:40 | kergoth` | or you can lie to configure.. make it think you're not crosscompiling, thereby bypassing all the tests, and then override all the compiler variables when you run maek |
| 22:19:41 | bewmIES | Okay, can you give me a clue as to how to do that? |
| 22:19:50 | bewmIES | Hmm, that's an idea |
| 22:20:12 | kergoth` | i had to fake it out a few times |
| 22:20:16 | kergoth` | and patch a few configure.in's |
| 22:20:20 | kergoth` | i'm so sick of buildsystems |
| 22:20:27 | kergoth` | especially ones that cant crosscompile |
| 22:20:28 | kergoth` | heh |
| 22:20:40 | bewmIES | yeah, how lame is that. |
| 22:21:25 | kergoth` | very |
| 22:21:33 | kergoth` | there are a lot of just horrid buildsytems out there |
| 22:21:35 | bewmIES | root@localhost:~# ./wget --version |
| 22:21:35 | bewmIES | GNU Wget 1.8.1 |
| 22:21:35 | kergoth` | pisses me off |
| 22:21:40 | bewmIES | Want me to package up as a .mk? |
| 22:21:56 | bewmIES | I love 1.8.1, it's less spammy then all it's preversions :) |
| 22:21:57 | kergoth` | if you want, go right ahead |
| 22:22:08 | kergoth` | do you have a SF account? i can add you to the project |
| 22:22:20 | bewmIES | I do but I haven't used it so long I don't remember the passwd |
| 22:22:26 | kergoth` | hah |
| 22:22:26 | bewmIES | Some other time :) |
| 22:22:38 | bewmIES | I registered engarde on there as a placeholder should we ever need to move it somewhere |
| 22:22:41 | bewmIES | bbiaf |
| 22:22:45 | kergoth` | k |
| 22:26:25 | denix | nasa: you're right, there are no sources... but there are a bunch of libraries supplied with qtopiadesktop you have to link to... |
| 22:29:10 | nasa | I made a couple of symlinks when I setup the program. Specifically, |
| 22:29:23 | nasa | libpalmtopcenter.so.1 -> libpalmtopcenter.so.1.0.0* |
| 22:29:32 | nasa | libqt.so.3 -> libqt.so.3.0.3* |
| 22:29:41 | nasa | librsync.so.1 -> librsync.so.1.0.0* |
| 22:30:08 | nasa | It doesn't help that the instructions are for windows only..... |
| 22:30:43 | denix | nasa: try 'ldd qtopiadesktop' |
| 22:30:52 | denix | what is opie-vmemo? |
| 22:31:28 | denix | nasa: I wrote a little script to run it: |
| 22:31:53 | nasa | I don't see anything about opie-vmemo... What is that? |
| 22:32:06 | treke__ | It's a audio note program |
| 22:32:09 | denix | export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:. |
| 22:32:21 | treke__ | it may be ipaq only though |
| 22:32:24 | denix | ./qtopiadesktop |
| 22:32:48 | denix | treke__: I see, so I can remove it then - didn't work anyway |
| 22:33:10 | kergoth` | denix: vmemo has some issues iird |
| 22:33:13 | kergoth` | s/iird/iirc/ |
| 22:33:44 | Hellaenergy | Hey if I want to execute a jar on the z where should I put it |
| 22:33:51 | Hellaenergy | what is the default classpath? |
| 22:33:52 | nasa | tried that -- same results (damn) |
| 22:34:29 | denix | kergoth`: what it does anyway>? |
| 22:34:45 | kergoth` | its like the voice recorder on teh sharp roms |
| 22:34:56 | kergoth` | but its a taskbar applet like the cardmon and sdmon and volume control |
| 22:35:07 | kergoth` | you tap it, and it records while you hold down teh stylus |
| 22:35:20 | kergoth` | on the ipaq, it binds to the record key as well |
| 22:35:21 | denix | kergoth`: oh, I see. thanks! |
| 22:35:23 | treke__ | oh it doesnt watch for button press anymore? |
| 22:35:23 | kergoth` | np |
| 22:35:25 | treke__ | ah |
| 22:35:33 | kergoth` | ipaq only.. z doesnt have a record button |
| 22:35:33 | kergoth` | heh |
| 22:35:45 | treke__ | only problem is the record key closes/closed the running app on the ipaq :) |
| 22:35:53 | kergoth` | hah |
| 22:36:09 | treke__ | still does :) |
| 22:36:16 | kergoth` | the record key binding in vmemo requires the opie launcher.. as it registers itself to be called on a certain key |
| 22:36:45 | bewmIES | Cool |
| 22:36:49 | bewmIES | ftp.lug is going to mirror familiar |
| 22:37:02 | treke__ | ought to file that as a bug |
| 22:37:05 | bewmIES | Which is nice because sourceforge is SLOW |
| 22:37:20 | kergoth` | woot! |
| 22:37:23 | kergoth` | ipkg works in oz 3 |
| 22:37:28 | kergoth` | dances a jig |
| 22:37:34 | kergoth` | heheh |
| 22:37:37 | bewmIES | very cool |
| 22:37:42 | bewmIES | So this is a C version of ipkg? |
| 22:37:45 | kergoth` | yes |
| 22:37:45 | denix | congrats! :) |
| 22:37:49 | kergoth` | with proper dependency checking |
| 22:37:54 | bewmIES | Does it actually do deps and will it actually install to SD/CF? :) |
| 22:38:07 | kergoth` | well it does deps.. i'm not sure how well alternate install paths are handled atm |
| 22:38:11 | nasa | denix: so what does your script do (for qtopiadesktop) |
| 22:38:16 | denix | btw, does Climov work for theK? |
| 22:38:21 | kergoth` | i'd ahve to check to cworth to be certain |
| 22:38:22 | kergoth` | denix: yes |
| 22:38:57 | denix | nasa: export LD_LIB... and run the binary |
| 22:39:02 | treke__ | familiar is moving from handhelds.org> |
| 22:39:09 | kergoth` | they are? |
| 22:39:11 | denix | what is familiar? |
| 22:39:14 | treke__ | are they? |
| 22:39:29 | treke__ | denix : linux distro. the predominate ipaq distro |
| 22:39:37 | kergoth` | oh, i dont know, havent heard anything |
| 22:39:43 | denix | oh, it's for ipaq... |
| 22:40:00 | kergoth` | shit.. ipkg/C kicks ass |
| 22:40:01 | treke__ | denix : yup |
| 22:40:02 | kergoth` | its so much faster |
| 22:40:04 | kergoth` | wow |
| 22:40:12 | treke__ | where do I find it? |
| 22:40:25 | nasa | echo $LD_LIBRARY_PATH -> /opt/Qtopia/lib:/usr/local/bin/qtopiadesktop/:/opt/Qtopia/lib:/usr/local/bin/qtopiadesktop/::. (/usr/local/bin/qtopiadesktop is the correct directory) |
| 22:40:49 | denix | what ldd qtopiadesktop says? |
| 22:40:54 | kergoth` | treke__: ipkg/C is the ipkg package in familiar unstable |
| 22:41:02 | nasa | /usr/lib/libxalflaunch.so.0 => /usr/lib/libxalflaunch.so.0 (0x40016000) |
| 22:41:02 | nasa | librsync.so.1 => /usr/local/bin/qtopiadesktop/librsync.so.1 (0x40018000) |
| 22:41:02 | nasa | libpalmtopcenter.so.1 => /usr/local/bin/qtopiadesktop/libpalmtopcenter.so.1 (0x40025000) |
| 22:41:02 | nasa | libqt.so.3 => /usr/local/bin/qtopiadesktop/libqt.so.3 (0x40246000) |
| 22:41:02 | nasa | libXext.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6 (0x40c2b000) |
| 22:41:03 | nasa | libX11.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6 (0x40c3a000) |
| 22:41:05 | nasa | libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 => /usr/lib/libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 (0x40d01000) |
| 22:41:06 | treke__ | kergoth`, Is it relativly stable now? |
| 22:41:07 | nasa | libm.so.6 => /lib/libm.so.6 (0x40d4e000) |
| 22:41:10 | nasa | libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x40d71000) |
| 22:41:11 | nasa | libdl.so.2 => /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x40ead000) |
| 22:41:12 | nasa | libICE.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libICE.so.6 (0x40eb0000) |
| 22:41:15 | nasa | libSM.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libSM.so.6 (0x40ec7000) |
| 22:41:17 | nasa | libXrender.so.1 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXrender.so.1 (0x40ed0000) |
| 22:41:19 | nasa | /lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x40000000) |
| 22:41:37 | kergoth` | treke__: yes |
| 22:41:46 | kergoth` | ponders installing opie from ipks this time |
| 22:41:55 | denix | nasa: huh... what is your desktop env? |
| 22:41:57 | treke__ | kergot`: Then maybe I'll back up my data and try upgrading |
| 22:42:11 | warmi | kilefiz: can you post URL to your software repository again ? |
| 22:42:20 | treke__ | of course then I'll be tempted to try X again |
| 22:42:21 | nasa | I am running Mandrake 8.2 |
| 22:42:38 | killefiz | warmi: http://killefiz.de/zaurus |
| 22:42:41 | kergoth` | treke__: hehe.. we fixed all the packaging problems in opie thankfullly.. there were conflicts all over the place that the old ipkg never noticed |
| 22:42:48 | warmi | thanks |
| 22:42:53 | nasa | sawfish is my windowmanager |
| 22:42:56 | treke__ | kergoth`, heh |
| 22:43:26 | Neo|Work | kergoth: does it work (as "well" as the sh-version) with qinstall/qipkg? |
| 22:43:32 | tux_mike | 222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222221 |
| 22:43:34 | tux_mike | oops |
| 22:43:39 | kergoth` | Neo|Work: no. iirc it causes lots of problems with them |
| 22:43:40 | tux_mike | darn laptop >< |
| 22:43:44 | kergoth` | Neo|Work: as if they werent broken enough already |
| 22:43:47 | bewmIES | --disable-opie disable support for opie or s/key FTP login |
| 22:43:48 | kergoth` | Neo|Work: heh |
| 22:43:48 | bewmIES | heh |
| 22:43:54 | bewmIES | NO OPIE FOR YOU |
| 22:43:55 | Neo|Work | kergoth: oh, great. :P |
| 22:44:05 | kergoth` | opie is also a one time key system |
| 22:44:12 | kergoth` | that we didnt know existed until after we named the project |
| 22:44:13 | kergoth` | hehe |
| 22:44:50 | kergoth` | hmm |
| 22:44:54 | denix | nasa: hmm, don't have any idea here... sorry |
| 22:44:54 | kergoth` | how large is /opt/QTopia? |
| 22:45:00 | kergoth` | can someone do a du for me? |
| 22:45:03 | benmeyer | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ accepts images now so take screenshots and upload them if you can :) |
| 22:45:03 | bewmIES | When I first heard you guys talking about Opie in here that's actually what I thought it was :) |
| 22:45:07 | kergoth` | bewmIES: hah |
| 22:45:10 | kergoth` | :-) |
| 22:45:16 | nasa | denix: np -- appreciate the help anyways |
| 22:45:17 | bewmIES | On a sharp ROM? |
| 22:45:22 | denix | 11207 |
| 22:45:38 | kergoth` | ack.. shit i forgot, cramfs compression |
| 22:45:39 | bewmIES | root@localhost:/home# du -sk QtPalmtop |
| 22:45:39 | bewmIES | 3802 QtPalmtop |
| 22:45:59 | kergoth` | bewmIES: no, du -sk /opt/QtPalmtop.rom or whatever |
| 22:46:09 | kergoth` | bewmIES: i need th e figure on the rom space |
| 22:46:15 | kergoth` | bewmIES: i need to make sure ive got enough room |
| 22:46:16 | kergoth` | hehe |
| 22:46:22 | bewmIES | oot@localhost:/usr# du -sk QtPalmtop.rom |
| 22:46:22 | bewmIES | 14860 QtPalmtop.rom |
| 22:46:36 | kergoth` | shit, no -r support in grep in my busybox build |
| 22:46:38 | kergoth` | sniffles |
| 22:46:47 | bewmIES | 18:03 <bewmIES> That reminds me, I need to get sort -g and grep -r in busybox |
| 22:46:48 | bewmIES | :) |
| 22:46:51 | bewmIES | That's on my things to do |
| 22:46:55 | kergoth` | whats sort -g? |
| 22:46:59 | bewmIES | numeric sort |
| 22:47:04 | bewmIES | ie, sort 1 before 01 |
| 22:47:07 | bewmIES | err, 10 |
| 22:47:08 | denix | and where the heck is QtPalmtop.rom? |
| 22:47:09 | bewmIES | etc |
| 22:47:12 | bewmIES | denix: /usr |
| 22:47:12 | kergoth` | busybox sort has -n 'sort numerics' |
| 22:47:17 | kergoth` | wonder if thats equivalent |
| 22:47:24 | bewmIES | -n compare according to string numerical value, imply -b |
| 22:47:29 | kergoth` | ah |
| 22:47:29 | bewmIES | -g compare according to general numerical value, imply -b |
| 22:47:32 | kergoth` | gotcha |
| 22:47:33 | bewmIES | Close, but no cigar :(* |
| 22:47:39 | denix | 21772!!! |
| 22:47:40 | kergoth` | well i'll see if it supports them |
| 22:47:49 | kergoth` | denix: ah the beauty of compressed filesytems |
| 22:48:45 | denix | kergoth`: yeah, is it compressed or uncompressed then? |
| 22:48:59 | denix | how can 21772 fit in 16M ROM? :) |
| 22:49:16 | kergoth` | its 21772 of actual data |
| 22:49:22 | kergoth` | i'm not sure how much space that takes compressed |
| 22:49:29 | kergoth` | i wonder if theres a flag to du to check |
| 22:49:55 | kergoth` | bewmIES: no such luck.. no options for grep -r or sort -g in busybox' config file.. (busybox from cvs) |
| 22:49:56 | denix | why is different from bewmIES's then? |
| 22:50:13 | kergoth` | denix: installed applications, most likely |
| 22:50:16 | bewmIES | Yeah, I was gonna hack it in :) |
| 22:50:27 | kergoth` | ah |
| 22:50:29 | kergoth` | :-) |
| 22:50:40 | kergoth` | thers some cool options that i can enable |
| 22:50:40 | tux_mike | whew. |
| 22:50:41 | tux_mike | hot |
| 22:50:47 | kergoth` | wonder how large teh busybox binary is at this point |
| 22:50:54 | denix | I see |
| 22:50:55 | kergoth` | you know. oz 3 is almost usable now :-) |
| 22:51:02 | bewmIES | w00t |
| 22:51:10 | kergoth` | ack |
| 22:51:16 | bewmIES | syn |
| 22:51:20 | kergoth` | busybox from cvs with all these options enabled is 375324 bytes |
| 22:51:37 | bewmIES | nice, that's probably why they weren't enabled to begin with :) |
| 22:51:48 | kergoth` | exactly |
| 22:51:51 | kergoth` | but.. color ls is so pretty |
| 22:51:52 | kergoth` | :-P |
| 22:52:17 | tux_mike | i love having color ls support |
| 22:52:21 | kergoth` | me too |
| 22:52:26 | kergoth` | i HATE directories that arent blue damnit |
| 22:52:28 | kergoth` | ;-) |
| 22:52:37 | denix | :) |
| 22:52:46 | tux_mike | arent they red or something in suse? |
| 22:52:59 | kergoth` | ack.. my busybox build has dpkg support |
| 22:53:00 | kergoth` | hehe |
| 22:53:00 | kergoth` | wtf |
| 22:53:15 | kergoth` | alters the busybox patch |
| 22:53:49 | denix | I hate people crying 'remove me from the list'... but putting every buyer on the list wasn't very good idea either (looking at BB :) |
| 22:54:00 | kergoth` | hehe |
| 22:54:32 | warmi | denix: it is not but , these days, it is quite common ... |
| 22:54:43 | bewmIES | Yeah, I dislike that very much. |
| 22:54:52 | bewmIES | opt-out is bad practice if you want to please your customers. |
| 22:54:52 | denix | repeat the last message to me, please! :)) |
| 22:56:18 | kergoth` | hmm do i keep busybox gzip/gunzip? |
| 22:56:20 | kergoth` | and cpio? |
| 22:56:51 | denix | there was a message started with "denix: ..." right after I said about the list, but I accidentally cleared the screen. could you please repeat it? |
| 22:57:09 | bewmIES | Hit page up |
| 22:57:13 | BigBoss | denix: this is a forgiveness vs. permission thing. How do we ask 400 people if they want to be on the list? All you have to do is click the link in the email to get off |
| 22:57:16 | bewmIES | or /last |
| 22:57:19 | tux_mike | kergoth: are you building qt with external zlib? |
| 22:57:29 | kergoth` | tux_mike: is it on the Z? |
| 22:57:39 | kergoth` | tux_mike: i'm maintaining compatibility with regard to the qt build |
| 22:57:40 | benmeyer | How do I make a script that changes the feeds on the Z? |
| 22:57:45 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: I'm with you. :) I will make a list that includes all the ppl who as bought something |
| 22:57:51 | benmeyer | when I just replace the file it messes everything up |
| 22:58:02 | Neo|Work | if they don't want software updates, they can unsubscribe |
| 22:58:08 | bewmIES | When you change feeds you need to update again |
| 22:58:15 | bewmIES | ipkg update |
| 22:58:16 | bewmIES | You're doing that? |
| 22:58:20 | kergoth` | it would be a good idea to note when they purchase that they'll be added to the list. |
| 22:58:27 | tux_mike | they use internal zlib on the Z, i don't think making it with external zlib would make a difference in operation, just make the qt lib smaller, but requiring zlib to be in .so |
| 22:58:27 | benmeyer | nope, ipkg update doesn't work |
| 22:58:42 | benmeyer | it doesn't register the new ones |
| 22:58:42 | denix | BigBoss: have nothing against it, but most ppl can't unsubscribe themselves from the list because of their st*ness... sorry |
| 22:58:47 | bewmIES | Do they use their own zlib or do they just statically link? |
| 22:58:56 | Neo|Work | anyone played tkcMahjong here, not counting BigBoss or any other tkc pp? :P |
| 22:59:07 | nasa | Yeah |
| 22:59:11 | nasa | Very nice |
| 22:59:23 | denix | bewmIES: xchat is here, no /last and no page up because I CLEARED the screen |
| 22:59:26 | kergoth` | tux_mike: hmm |
| 22:59:37 | Neo|Work | tux_mike: and allowing other apps to use the same zlib code |
| 22:59:46 | BigBoss | denix: well we'll deal with it as it comes up |
| 22:59:56 | kergoth` | what about libpng? is that external on the Z, or internal? |
| 23:00:00 | BigBoss | neo: tkcMahjongg is the best thing every |
| 23:00:12 | kergoth` | tkcMahjongg rocks |
| 23:00:13 | bewmIES | Well I know some packages include their own zlib because they modify it (rsync for example) |
| 23:00:18 | kergoth` | i need to buy it, once opie is happy on my Z |
| 23:00:22 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: I'd expect that from you. :P That said, it looks nice but how does it perform? :) |
| 23:00:24 | bewmIES | And making rsync link against the system zlib will breka it horribly |
| 23:00:27 | kergoth` | ack |
| 23:00:32 | bewmIES | So just be careful when playing with it :) |
| 23:00:34 | kergoth` | my busybox build has uuencode/uudecode |
| 23:00:34 | kergoth` | lol |
| 23:00:40 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: you really need demo versions |
| 23:00:41 | denix | BigBoss: what's the name of the standard layout in Mahh? |
| 23:00:54 | kergoth` | and rdate, dpkg, dpkg-deb, telnet .. |
| 23:00:59 | BigBoss | Neo: well only loaded Zaurus it performs good, probably the same as the solitaire game |
| 23:01:09 | BigBoss | I know we need some demo's |
| 23:01:12 | Neo|Work | heh |
| 23:01:30 | Neo|Work | I'm thinking about whacking up a graphics lib for the zaurus |
| 23:01:38 | kergoth` | should i leave unix2dos and dos2unix in my busybox build in oz? |
| 23:01:53 | Neo|Work | or, to be exact, a more general "16 bpp gfx" library |
| 23:02:40 | denix | BigBoss: ? |
| 23:02:44 | BigBoss | denix: I don't know the name |
| 23:02:47 | BigBoss | why? |
| 23:03:29 | Hellaenergy | BigBoss: did you ever see about the Data Arch app? |
| 23:03:38 | denix | BigBoss: I used to play the standard layout. here I see a lot of different ones, but can't find the standard one :( |
| 23:03:49 | kergoth` | bewmIES: that 375k binary has a LOT of apps |
| 23:03:51 | kergoth` | bewmIES: heh |
| 23:03:53 | BigBoss | H: yes, you can do it - you were gone when I found the answer |
| 23:04:03 | bewmIES | heh I bet |
| 23:04:04 | BigBoss | denix: then it will be more challenging :) |
| 23:04:14 | denix | BigBoss: :)) |
| 23:04:24 | Neo|Work | is away: mtg |
| 23:04:48 | Neo|Work | or perhaps not yet |
| 23:05:02 | denix | is away: need to use restroom... :-P |
| 23:05:15 | kergoth` | time to head home |
| 23:05:17 | kergoth` | ttyl people |
| 23:05:24 | bewmIES | heh, lates |
| 23:05:29 | kergoth` | there'll definately be a prerelease OZ rom available this evening. |
| 23:05:35 | Hellaenergy | http://linuxchix.org/ |
| 23:05:37 | bewmIES | Good stuff, I'll be here all ngiht :) |
| 23:05:44 | Hellaenergy | For all the ladies out there |
| 23:07:32 | Neo|Work | kergoth: kewl |
| 23:08:12 | denix | is back (gone 00:03:10) |
| 23:08:38 | denix | oh, I need to go home too... it's getting late |
| 23:08:41 | denix | c ya ppl! |
| 23:09:12 | benmeyer | ipkg-make-index lists the file in the full path on the local machine, but that is *not* the path on the web server. How o how do I fix this? |
| 23:09:28 | benmeyer | All I want is the file name, not the path name |
| 23:10:28 | benmeyer | kergoth: how do you do it? |
| 23:12:57 | killefiz | i've uploaded scaled down (to zaurus display) versions of all linuxnerverlookedthisgood pictures I could find. Get them at http://killefiz.de/linuxneverlookedthisgood_zaurus.tar.bz2 |
| 23:13:27 | killefiz | please don't distribute the link |
| 23:13:53 | benmeyer | ? |
| 23:14:00 | benmeyer | zaurus images? |
| 23:14:07 | killefiz | jpegs ... have a look |
| 23:15:02 | killefiz | you need some of them on your zaurus to show off the display qualities ;) |
| 23:16:03 | BigBoss | you need to have tkcGallery to really show it off :) |
| 23:16:28 | Hellaenergy | going going |
| 23:17:50 | benmeyer | haha |
| 23:17:56 | benmeyer | What fun idle hands have |
| 23:18:11 | benmeyer | I make stupid docs and someone else draws on porn |
| 23:19:47 | killefiz | ;) |
| 23:20:22 | killefiz | They are originally from here: http://www.linux-never-looked-this-good.de/ but the guy had to close his site down because linus' lawyers found that they violated his copyright |
| 23:20:44 | Rince | nice one |
| 23:21:50 | benmeyer | How do I remove 2 chars from a string in a script? |
| 23:21:58 | benmeyer | i.e. Filename: $sed_safe_pkg |
| 23:22:03 | benmeyer | remove the ./ that it generates |
| 23:22:08 | benmeyer | sense you run it in ./ |
| 23:26:24 | bewmIES | basename? |
| 23:26:37 | bewmIES | [ryan@mastermind ryan]$ basename `echo ./this` |
| 23:26:37 | bewmIES | this |
| 23:26:54 | bewmIES | The Zaurus may not have that, it's part of initscripts IIRC |
| 23:27:08 | bewmIES | na, shellutils actually |
| 23:39:16 | Onetrack | question....is the cdpd network...the same as every other cdpd network? |
| 23:39:42 | Onetrack | this would be great to buy this gadget and take it with me to NZ to use with their coverage |
| 23:41:00 | tux_mike | Onetrack: as long as you get a provider and such |
| 23:42:19 | Onetrack | ok great... |
| 23:42:32 | kergoth | is away: I'm busy |
| 23:42:37 | kergoth | is back (gone 00:00:01) |
| 23:42:39 | kergoth | stupid xchat |
| 23:42:39 | tux_mike | ? |
| 23:42:41 | kergoth | re |
| 23:42:45 | tux_mike | k |
| 23:42:51 | kergoth | heheh |
| 23:43:01 | roge99 | hey tux, kergoth |
| 23:43:02 | kergoth | i should get usb networking working in oz 3 |
| 23:43:03 | kergoth | hey roge99 |
| 23:43:11 | kergoth | oz3 is being happy today |
| 23:43:15 | bewmIES | USB Networking is lame :) |
| 23:43:21 | roge99 | so when is 3 coming out |
| 23:43:23 | bewmIES | The performance totally sucks |
| 23:43:30 | bewmIES | I dont' even use it anymore, I just keep my Socket hooked up all the time. |
| 23:43:37 | kergoth | roge99: within the week. most likely a prerelease this evening. |
| 23:43:43 | kergoth | bewmIES: yep. still needed tho |
| 23:43:45 | roge99 | cool |
| 23:44:00 | kergoth | I need to get wlan-cs crosscompiled |
| 23:44:36 | Onetrack | tux_mike...http://www.telecom.co.nz/wireless/0,2503,102017-100197,00.html |
| 23:44:57 | Onetrack | was going to hook up with them.... |
| 23:45:05 | Onetrack | the coverage isn't great tho.... |
| 23:46:42 | tux_mike | Onetrack: ok, then all you need is the hex number (mobile ID no) and the serial number of the card, and call them up when you get down there ( you usually need the reciver on network to connect ) |
| 23:48:07 | Onetrack | sounds01,9901 01,99perfect01,99 01,99tux01,99 01,99thanks01,99 01,99for01,99 01,99the01,99 01,99info |
| 23:48:14 | tux_mike | ow |
| 23:48:18 | Onetrack | hows01,9901 01,99the01,99 01,99speed01,99 01,99usually? |
| 23:48:51 | tux_mike | i dunno, i never used cpcd |
| 23:48:52 | Onetrack | i01,9901 01,99was01,99 01,99thinking01,99 01,99maybe01,99 01,99just01,99 01,99the01,99 01,99wired01,99 01,9956k01,99 01,99cf01,99 01,99card01,99 01,99would01,99 01,99be01,99 01,99better... |
| 23:48:58 | Onetrack | I'm01,9901 01,99going01,99 01,99there01,99 01,99for01,99 01,99301,99 01,99months |
| 23:49:01 | tux_mike | that green is kinda messing up my client |
| 23:49:09 | Onetrack | ? |
| 23:49:34 | benmeyer | night, I am going home. Network install is screwy |
| 23:49:40 | ljp-- | that green is kinda messing up my eyeballs |
| 23:50:14 | kergoth | ljp--: I wonder how we should handle the qtopia 3 stuff.. when they make it available i mean.. perhaps a seperate cvs branch of opie could be merged with it.. or something |
| 23:50:43 | Onetrack | i01,9901 01,99see01,99 01,99no01,99 01,99green....? |
| 23:50:49 | bewmIES | That color is totally obnoxious |
| 23:51:06 | bewmIES | loved IRC so much more before mIRC/BitchX/etc. |
| 23:51:16 | Rince | *nod* |
| 23:51:25 | Rince | let's take out colors completely again |
| 23:51:34 | tux_mike | bewmIES: yes |
| 23:51:41 | tux_mike | color doesn't belong in irc |
| 23:51:58 | bewmIES | Nor do trout being slapped around |
| 23:52:00 | kergoth | color belongs in irc clients, not in irc itself |
| 23:52:02 | kergoth | :L-) |
| 23:52:05 | kergoth | s/L// |
| 23:52:09 | kergoth | cant type |
| 23:52:28 | tux_mike | the only reason i use bitchx is i need a text client that changes the color of the <>'s around a nick |
| 23:52:44 | kergoth | yeah |
| 23:52:47 | bewmIES | The only reason I use BitchX is because it's more _usable_ then ircii |
| 23:52:47 | Onetrack | hm..who's01,9901 01,99using01,99 01,99green? |
| 23:52:53 | kergoth | i love xchats tab highlights |
| 23:52:54 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:52:54 | tux_mike | ugh. |
| 23:53:15 | bewmIES | xchat is just totally evil |
| 23:53:18 | kergoth | hah |
| 23:53:35 | tux_mike | i want an irc client that just hilights the <>s and logs my messages, bx doesn't do that wel |
| 23:53:37 | tux_mike | l |
| 23:53:50 | kergoth | there are still like 15 items in the buildsystem that i need to convert to the new template |
| 23:53:52 | kergoth | ugh |
| 23:54:04 | kergoth | i love shell |
| 23:54:05 | kergoth | (for i in *mk; do if ( ! grep Sources $i >/dev/null 2>&1 ); then echo $i; fi; done)|wc -l |
| 23:54:06 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:54:42 | ljp-- | well if you love it, why dont you marry it? |
| 23:54:50 | kergoth | hah |
| 23:55:13 | tux_mike | ljp--: on the Config class, with readNumEntry, what's the second parameter? |
| 23:55:24 | ljp-- | default |
| 23:55:31 | tux_mike | ah |
| 23:55:41 | kergoth | Config is pretty nifty, if limited |
| 23:55:41 | tux_mike | cool beans |
| 23:55:44 | bewmIES | Yeah, I was wondering that earlier today |
| 23:55:51 | bewmIES | The more I see of Config the more I like it |
| 23:56:00 | kergoth | xmltree is nifty |
| 23:56:18 | ljp-- | it is limited, but does what it does fairly well. |
| 23:56:23 | kergoth | indeed |
| 23:56:33 | kergoth | if it isnt enough, switch to xmltree |
| 23:56:34 | kergoth | heh |
