| 00:00:02 | Neo|Work | in the Qtopia case you just pay for the right |
| 00:00:28 | finkployd | How is the desire for commercial developers to make money any different than the desire of the people who made the tools to make money? |
| 00:00:33 | p00r0ne | well, not really, as you can dl qtopia for free, just cant use it on a pda for nothing |
| 00:00:35 | Neo|Work | And I happen to have a free license now due to the contest, but I know that I would be put off by even a $200 cost |
| 00:00:35 | BZFlag | Qtopia/QtE you only have to pay to do commercial development. |
| 00:00:57 | BZFlag | nods at finkployd |
| 00:00:59 | p00r0ne | atleast with the agenda, it is linux |
| 00:01:21 | Neo|Work | I do commercial development and I would not pay $200 for it because I have no money for that and frankly, if I make $200 on my qtopia stuff within 6 months I'll be happy |
| 00:01:25 | BZFlag | Neo|Work: I think you should always give your apps away. then you won't have to worry about paying for the tools. |
| 00:02:00 | Neo|Work | Trolltech should make money from licensing cost from sharp and others using it, not from the developers who are the bread and butter in getting the platform to the next level |
| 00:02:16 | Neo|Work | BZFlag: then I wouldn't spend the time making them because my time is valuable |
| 00:02:46 | BZFlag | Neo|Work: so TT should charge sharp enough to make money solely from that? and sharp should charge more for the devices to make it up? |
| 00:03:01 | finkployd | this is turning into a classic opensource vs closed arguement, I can smell it... |
| 00:03:07 | Neo|Work | BZFlag: exactly. that's how PalmOS and PocketPC works and it is obviously a good solution |
| 00:03:11 | BZFlag | finkployd: turning? ;-) |
| 00:03:15 | kergoth | hah |
| 00:03:38 | Neo|Work | paying for Qtopia SDK is like paying to use the Win32 API |
| 00:03:51 | BZFlag | Neo|Work: fine. I'll sell you a Z with all the free tools included for $700 ($500 + $200 sdk) |
| 00:04:00 | finkployd | Neo: The market hasn't decided if that is a good solution or not yet (compared to qt's) |
| 00:04:31 | finkployd | Palm development is a serious pain in the ass, despite the free SDK |
| 00:05:28 | BZFlag | actually you could create a fullscreen frame buffer commercial app on the Z without paying for anything. |
| 00:06:12 | Neo|Work | finkployd: but there's tons of PalmOS apps |
| 00:06:33 | BZFlag | Neo|Work: and there will be tons of linux apps available as well. |
| 00:06:44 | finkployd | if you business model is ruined by an additional $200 charge, then it needs re-evaluated |
| 00:06:48 | Neo|Work | BZFlag: Oh, I know that. Just think that many smaller developers (that want to make some money) will simply ignore the platform |
| 00:06:49 | BZFlag | many more of them will be free than apps on the palm |
| 00:06:58 | kergoth | mutters and goes back to coding |
| 00:07:09 | Neo|Work | finkployd: if I actually sold copies it wouldn't be a problem |
| 00:07:11 | finkployd | I don't know ANYONE (not one person) who has ever made money off a palm app |
| 00:07:15 | Neo|Work | however there is no market at the moment |
| 00:07:28 | finkployd | I've certainly never paid for a palm app |
| 00:07:34 | Neo|Work | I can cound the number of sales on one hand, and I only get a small part of the money for those sales |
| 00:07:42 | BZFlag | Neo|Work: entirely expected. once the platform is popular, they will want to join. then I fully expect there will be other pricing options available as well. |
| 00:07:47 | Neo|Work | finkployd: you don't know many then. :P |
| 00:08:15 | finkployd | Neo: Actually I know quite a few, but more develop open source apps |
| 00:08:15 | BZFlag | finkployd: I do. franklin/covey? |
| 00:08:15 | Neo|Work | BZFlag: however, the platform will have a lot harder time in getting popular w/o apps |
| 00:08:39 | Neo|Work | when someone new considers Sharp Zaurus, PalmOS or Pocket PC device, the Zaurus has a very big drawback right there |
| 00:08:41 | kergoth | ack, why the hell is arch/arm/mach-sa1100/power.c include unistd.h instead of linux/unistd.h... |
| 00:08:45 | Neo|Work | despite it being a really cool device |
| 00:08:47 | kergoth | s/include/including/ |
| 00:08:57 | finkployd | So does Linux in general |
| 00:09:03 | Neo|Work | I'm pretty darn sure ardiri makes plenty of money |
| 00:09:05 | finkployd | however, that is changing rapidly |
| 00:09:13 | Neo|Work | I know bejeweled sells insanely well etc |
| 00:09:32 | Neo|Work | With Linux you can do commercial development for free |
| 00:09:39 | tux_mike | bejeweled roxors your soxors |
| 00:09:40 | Neo|Work | which has indeed benefitted the platform a lot, I agree |
| 00:09:41 | BZFlag | Neo|Work: I disagree, but that's fine. I think there are a lot of good coders out there working on palmos and others that are not making money, nor do they need to. They work on apps when they have time for fun. |
| 00:10:03 | BZFlag | I see lots of motivation for those people to move to Linux pdas now. |
| 00:10:07 | finkployd | I think an important aspect is that the Z does not need commercial software to become popular |
| 00:10:15 | Neo|Work | BZFlag: of course there are people doing it for fun, but compare the number of shareware apps to free apps on those platforms and you see a trend |
| 00:10:17 | BZFlag | over time that alone will cause an increase in popularity. |
| 00:10:39 | Neo|Work | finkployd: it needs good apps in either case, free or not. |
| 00:10:41 | BZFlag | combine that with the large shops that sharp and tt are talking to. the ones that do make money on handhelds. |
| 00:10:50 | BZFlag | that will cause popularity on the hight end. |
| 00:11:01 | BZFlag | the middle will settle someplace in the wash. |
| 00:11:22 | finkployd | Neo: agreed, but that is just a function of time, it's still young |
| 00:11:49 | BZFlag | I personally am a fan of % payments on the honor system for that group. the market will indicate if an app is real popular and the developer is not paying for his tools as he should. |
| 00:12:03 | Neo|Work | BZFlag: 1% or so might be fine yes. 10% is NOT fine |
| 00:12:29 | BZFlag | again, it's a matter of scale. |
| 00:12:48 | BZFlag | but back to the shareware/freeware point... |
| 00:12:50 | Neo|Work | for original games, it's not too bad but for ports it'd be a big part of my income. unless it's 10% of what _I_ make |
| 00:12:56 | Neo|Work | and not 10% of what the _game_ makes |
| 00:13:00 | finkployd | Unfortunatly, any commercial app that becomes popular with the community is going to naturaly cause an open source replacement to be created |
| 00:13:13 | BZFlag | I see very little motivation for a ppc developer to release freeware. might as well do shareware. |
| 00:13:16 | Neo|Work | finkployd: not necessarily but possibly sure |
| 00:13:32 | finkployd | And given the size and complexity we are dealing with in a PDA, there is really nothing that can be done on it comercially that can't be done with open source |
| 00:13:35 | BZFlag | I see that slows the development process for other apps, cause it normally eliminates code sharing. |
| 00:13:51 | Neo|Work | BZFlag: And I don't see why it would be different for Zaurus, at least not in the traditional developer sense |
| 00:13:53 | finkployd | It isn't like enterprise level databases or transaction tools will be running on this thing :) |
| 00:14:05 | BZFlag | this is precisely the reason for the free GPL tools. encourage folks to share and collaborate. |
| 00:14:32 | Neo|Work | however GPL doesn't pay bills, no matter what RMS says |
| 00:14:40 | NetAmp | yeah, one big friendly community ;) |
| 00:14:42 | BZFlag | the free apps (and hence the popularity of the platform) will grox exponetially, not linearly. |
| 00:14:46 | | wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! |
| 00:14:46 | NetAmp | ibot: pong |
| 00:15:13 | finkployd | True, but my other job does :) Most OSS coders are computer professionals who do this in spare time (or on company time) |
| 00:15:39 | p00r0ne | or, they get paid by sharp to develop something that does not work well |
| 00:15:44 | Neo|Work | finkployd: unfortunately some of them do it in their spare time but need to make profits anyway |
| 00:16:13 | BZFlag | Neo|Work: I'm interested in the possibilities of a % of profit, not % of sales. |
| 00:16:41 | BZFlag | that needs clear definitions though else anyone can claim a continual loss. |
| 00:17:00 | BZFlag | the tool makers never get any $ so, the tools will be poor. |
| 00:17:22 | BZFlag | smacks p00r0ne ;-) |
| 00:18:02 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:19:28 | finkployd | would it be theoretically possible for another version of the SDK to be developed by someone other than trolltech? |
| 00:20:21 | treke | finkployd : I think the problem is the licensing of QT, it's either GPL or a license from trolltech. Not the availability of the SDK |
| 00:20:28 | finkployd | ah |
| 00:20:30 | NetAmp | Cya! |
| 00:20:30 | finkployd | right |
| 00:20:48 | treke | you can just compile your app against the CVS source of Qtopia and have it work |
| 00:21:04 | kergoth | yep, but then the app must be gpl |
| 00:21:25 | treke | points to his above statement |
| 00:21:45 | kergoth | yep |
| 00:22:06 | treke | You need to make it GPL because of the licensing issues, nothing technically preventing people from developing apps without the SDK |
| 00:22:12 | finkployd | well, I imagine QT will change their tune if that becomes a serious problem (lack of apps due to licensing) |
| 00:22:21 | kergoth | doesnt use the sdk to develop Z apps |
| 00:22:25 | Shunt | you can always develop in java for the Z |
| 00:22:26 | BZFlag | someone(tm) could develop a LGPLed library that was api compatible with qt/qpe |
| 00:22:27 | kergoth | but then all of mine are gpl |
| 00:22:41 | kergoth | BZFlag: yeah, we've had that discussion before.. hehe |
| 00:22:43 | BZFlag | but they wold likely have to fight a legal battle to do it. |
| 00:22:45 | kergoth | :-) |
| 00:23:06 | treke | BZFlag :how? They'd still have to link with the GPL QT on devices |
| 00:23:13 | finkployd | there are actually some nice java apps available. The port scanner looks promising (although I don't know why on earth they would have used java for that :) ) |
| 00:24:07 | BZFlag | treke: say I took the qt and qpe header files and built a translation layer on top of gtk that looked the same. |
| 00:24:50 | treke | BZFlag : But how would that help with creating a product for the zaurus. You could also just create an environment out of GTK |
| 00:24:52 | BZFlag | course one could not copy the headers, one would have to refer to develop docs on the api and create new headers. |
| 00:25:04 | kergoth | BZFlag: couldnt that cause problems being as it used the headers for insight, and didnt develop it totally cleanroom? |
| 00:25:53 | BZFlag | treke: well to run on the Z it would need my libraries instead. but a new vendor could ship a platform based on the new libraries and commercial development there would not need to pay tt. |
| 00:26:10 | BZFlag | kergoth: heh, beat ya. ;-) |
| 00:26:25 | kergoth | BZFlag: hehe |
| 00:26:37 | kergoth | afk |
| 00:26:37 | treke | BZFlag : I fail to see how that changes the situataion being discussed here though |
| 00:27:39 | Neo|Work | and btw, the cost per unit to TT would NOT be $200 since most people would NOT actually pay those $100 anyway |
| 00:27:49 | Neo|Work | I'd say $10 or so per unit would be plenty |
| 00:27:55 | BZFlag | treke: if the new platform (even if it never ships) is link level compatibile, then you can write your app to it instead of to qtopia |
| 00:28:08 | Neo|Work | that means that 1 out of 20 units would be used for / buy commercial developers |
| 00:28:15 | Neo|Work | which even that is probably high |
| 00:28:25 | treke | Ok, that does actually make sense :) |
| 00:28:36 | BZFlag | if developed on your library and deployed on qt/qpe that "might" be legal withough paying tt. |
| 00:29:31 | BZFlag | Neo|Work: the issue is that for sharp, they need to be paying much less for a linux solution or they would just go with windows. |
| 00:31:01 | Neo|Work | truthfully, don't you think a few bucks per unit would pretty much end up more than if developers paid $200? |
| 00:31:59 | BZFlag | for TT, yes. for sharp no. |
| 00:32:08 | Neo|Work | in either case, I'm not going to limit my development to the Zaurus/Qtopia since the future is very unclear |
| 00:32:17 | Neo|Work | what, a couple of bucks is too much for sharp? |
| 00:32:22 | Neo|Work | they don't make money from the SDK do they? |
| 00:32:43 | BZFlag | a few bucks per unit adds up quickly for the volumes they hope to ship. |
| 00:33:00 | Neo|Work | uh, it's still a few bucks per unit |
| 00:33:10 | Neo|Work | sell them at a few bucks higher price |
| 00:33:20 | Neo|Work | charge 50 cents more for the charger, whatever |
| 00:33:25 | Neo|Work | I don't see the big deal |
| 00:33:38 | Neo|Work | anyone knows how much PocketPC or PalmOS licensing costs? |
| 00:34:07 | BZFlag | they want to be able to play serious price games I would expect. as ms will likely price slash ppc when linux on hh is seen as a real treat. |
| 00:34:21 | BZFlag | er threat. treat too, I suppose. |
| 00:34:50 | tux_mike | mmm. salad and a burger |
| 00:34:51 | Neo|Work | MS still needs to make money too though |
| 00:34:55 | Neo|Work | in either case |
| 00:34:56 | finkployd | http://more.sbc.co.jp/forum/dev2dev/cbbs.cgi?mode=one&namber=2752&type=0&space=0 <- interesting thread |
| 00:34:59 | BZFlag | Neo|Work: for most devices it about $25 per unit at present, my personal guess. |
| 00:35:30 | Neo|Work | BZFlag: which means that a few bucks would be plenty cheaper. That said, I don't know what Sharp already pays TT (they do pay right?) |
| 00:36:12 | BZFlag | they pay us (Lineo) and we pay tt, opera, insignia, etc. |
| 00:37:03 | tux_mike | BZFlag: do you have any idea what's up with fastolfe? :) |
| 00:38:13 | BZFlag | tux_mike: his dad's not feeling well so he took an extended leave to go to france. while there Lineo had layoffs and he no longer works here. I expect him here in the next few days to packup etc. I don't know if it was his choice or not. ask him when he comes back. |
| 00:38:33 | tux_mike | ah |
| 00:38:49 | tux_mike | that really sucks |
| 00:38:58 | BZFlag | yeah, on all sides. |
| 00:40:48 | finkployd | wow, people on the developer2developer boards are getting PISSED with sharp. And sharp is just making it worse by not responding to anything |
| 00:41:03 | kergoth | finkployd: regarding..? |
| 00:41:09 | finkployd | come to think of it, I haven't seen Jason in here lately |
| 00:41:30 | ljp-- | thats because none of the sharp develoers know any English |
| 00:41:39 | mtm | finkployd: Jason is a JavaOne |
| 00:41:53 | finkployd | Oh, the hancom office fiasco, the price stunt they pulled with javaone, the lack of communication, the crappy sync software, you name it |
| 00:42:03 | finkployd | mtm: Oh right |
| 00:42:11 | finkployd | I knew that |
| 00:42:12 | tux_mike | ljp--: mitchy is no longer doing the boards? |
| 00:42:44 | finkployd | nobody has been doing the boards for a while now that I can tell |
| 00:42:48 | tux_mike | would help out with some translations... if he had more japanese under his belt :) |
| 00:47:44 | finkployd | methinks sharp needs to do some serious damage control quickly |
| 00:47:50 | tux_mike | personally i haven't been on those boards for a long time |
| 00:48:32 | tux_mike | i think people are bitching because they have nothing better to do |
| 00:48:51 | finkployd | but there are some legit gripes that are being ignored |
| 00:48:56 | tux_mike | i haven't looked at those boards because i've had no time, because i've been programming |
| 00:49:02 | finkployd | I agree this kind of think just snowballs though |
| 00:49:12 | finkployd | thing |
| 00:49:26 | tux_mike | the only one you mentioned was any sort of price fiasco |
| 00:50:06 | finkployd | and the hancom issue isn't going away anytime soon |
| 00:50:21 | tux_mike | people should just give that up |
| 00:50:28 | finkployd | not likely |
| 00:50:40 | tux_mike | i said should, not will. :P |
| 00:51:03 | tux_mike | no where did i see that sharp said H.O. will be in the Z |
| 00:51:11 | finkployd | over 100 people bought Z's at LWE in New York, and were told by Sharp that hancom office would be a free download for the 5000. |
| 00:51:28 | finkployd | Believe me, they were quite convincing about that |
| 00:51:41 | finkployd | Those 100 people of course spread the good news |
| 00:51:48 | Neo|Work | I do believe they said that and not keeping that promise is bad |
| 00:52:11 | finkployd | Neo: and not saying ANYTHING and hoping it all goes away is worse |
| 00:52:20 | Neo|Work | yes |
| 00:52:38 | ljp-- | tux: mitchy quit doing that when he had that breakdown. :( |
| 00:52:47 | tux_mike | ah |
| 00:53:04 | tux_mike | shite. we loose mitchy, we loose fastolfe. ugh |
| 00:53:10 | finkployd | I would respect a "We misled you, we are sorry, you will have to buy it". I will be a little ticked but I would understand. Everyone makes mistakes. |
| 00:53:11 | ljp-- | and Jason said, as an engineer, he hates developers ! :) |
| 00:53:25 | Neo|Work | finkployd: indeed |
| 00:53:38 | Neo|Work | Now, I have no major issues at all since my Z was free |
| 00:53:39 | Neo|Work | heh |
| 00:53:42 | Neo|Work | so I'm just happy I have one |
| 00:54:38 | tux_mike | finkployd: i'm still taking a let's wait and see with the h.o. i mean, if it's not ready, it's not ready. |
| 00:54:45 | finkployd | Neo: The people who paid $400 for it only to find out they wouldn't be getting the software they were promised and that sharp now is selling it for $199 are slightly ticked it seems :) |
| 00:55:09 | treke | kinda makes me glad I paid compaq not sharp :) |
| 00:56:01 | tux_mike | finkployd: but now, 5000D is a discontinued model, and 199 is the clearance price. they need to get rid of them. no one will want one when they can pay a little more for a 5500 |
| 00:56:07 | finkployd | tux: I'm still taking that approach too, only less and less as I learn more about the situation (and as sharp gets more and more quiet) |
| 00:56:52 | p00r0ne | Fry's is selling the 5500's instore for 499 |
| 00:57:18 | finkployd | tux: Which is fine, except we were also told of the possibility (only a possibility mind you) that there would be a buyback program, or discount. I don't think anyone expected to be completly left in the cold with no answers. |
| 00:57:31 | p00r0ne | right |
| 00:58:18 | finkployd | It seemed sharp would say anything at trade shows to sell 5000s, only to forget about all of the people they sold them to when the 5500 came out. |
| 00:58:49 | ljp-- | I think the trade show people were out of touch with Sharp/Japan higher-ups |
| 00:58:59 | p00r0ne | well, pisses me off even more as i bought the 5000 last week |
| 00:59:09 | p00r0ne | goes to post to slashdot |
| 00:59:11 | kergoth | p00r0ne: what are you pissed about? im confused |
| 00:59:23 | ljp-- | for one, I heard they were NOT supposed to be flashing peoples Z's at that show |
| 00:59:27 | p00r0ne | im pissed that this thing does not synch up with a linux box |
| 00:59:38 | tux_mike | finkployd: the buyback theory was a rumor. it was smahed down by sharp long ago |
| 00:59:44 | ljp-- | that would be TT's problem |
| 00:59:46 | kergoth | p00r0ne: huh? qtopia desktop isnt working? |
| 00:59:48 | finkployd | ljp: Perhaps, but the responsibility to either communicate this, and make it right still lies with Sharp |
| 00:59:58 | finkployd | s/and/or |
| 01:00:07 | p00r0ne | kergoth: I cant get it working, perhaps I am not doing anything right today |
| 01:00:09 | finkployd | tux: It was started by Sharp |
| 01:00:22 | kergoth | finkployd: i wouldnt be pissed about buyback. it was made clear that it wasnt likely |
| 01:00:48 | tux_mike | yes. sharp went and said there woudl be no buyback |
| 01:00:52 | p00r0ne | kergoth: I dl'd the tarbal, untarred and it has five executable binaries in there, but what then? could you lend some of your guru guidance? |
| 01:00:58 | finkployd | I'm not actually pissed about any one specific thing, it is the general trend and unwillingness to come clean about everything lately that is irratating me |
| 01:01:23 | tux_mike | besides, i love my Z. i will develop for it till i'm blue in the face, with that said, it's time for me to go and develop for it |
| 01:01:30 | kergoth | tux_mike: word |
| 01:01:46 | kergoth | p00r0ne: yeah let me see if i can recall.. havent used it recently |
| 01:01:53 | finkployd | And I'm still allowed to be pissed about what a company tells me to sell me something, with no intent of following through. |
| 01:01:54 | ljp-- | well, if you love it,, why don't you maryy it? ;) |
| 01:02:03 | kergoth | hah |
| 01:02:06 | finkployd | I love the Z, I'm disappointed in Sharp |
| 01:02:09 | p00r0ne | lol |
| 01:02:10 | kergoth | finkployd: understandable |
| 01:02:22 | tux_mike | ljp--: i don't think my state allows man-device marrages ;) |
| 01:02:25 | p00r0ne | the Z is a sweet machine, but it does need some functionality |
| 01:02:32 | ljp-- | well.. just wait a few years.. |
| 01:02:41 | p00r0ne | cant wait that long |
| 01:02:43 | p00r0ne | im impatient |
| 01:02:44 | tux_mike | p00r0ne: well, get coding! |
| 01:02:49 | finkployd | I think the Z has a great potential future, unfortunatly the largest potential roadblock is the company behind it. |
| 01:02:53 | tux_mike | that's what i'm doing |
| 01:03:11 | kergoth | whats the param to ld to point it to a different set of startfiles (crt1.o and friends)? |
| 01:03:25 | finkployd | is done ranting |
| 01:03:30 | finkployd | it felt good though :) |
| 01:03:33 | tux_mike | shrugs |
| 01:03:37 | ljp-- | Sharp is an old school big assed company that just jumped on the open source bandwagon... it will take time for the big shots to really graps things |
| 01:04:50 | ljp-- | the CEO seemed sincere in Sharp going this new route. |
| 01:05:00 | tux_mike | ljp--: with doclnk, will i get a full path from DocLnk::file() if i set the mime type? or do i need to give it a full file name in the first place? |
| 01:05:08 | ljp-- | even though he had trouble pronouncing 'linux' |
| 01:05:34 | finkployd | everyone has trouble the first time :) |
| 01:05:45 | tux_mike | ljp--: isn't he japanese? they have no l, short i, or x |
| 01:05:50 | ljp-- | tux: I think that depends on what file, or what app is assovciated with the file |
| 01:06:26 | ljp-- | tux: yes.. I was just making fun of an obvious language barrier.. |
| 01:06:32 | tux_mike | ljp--: i'm trying to use it in my own app for file access, i'd like to assoicate my app with the mimetype of text/x-flashcard |
| 01:06:57 | tux_mike | hey roge |
| 01:09:50 | ljp-- | tux: File is the full path to the file, in gutenbrowser, I set the MimeType in the .desktop file, and then when creating docs, set the File to the full filepath, and set the Icon also |
| 01:10:43 | tux_mike | so... in setting the file on creation of the DocLnk object, i need to set the full path, it won't figure it out for me? |
| 01:11:01 | ljp-- | tux: I haven't found a reliable way to register a MimeType.. |
| 01:11:19 | tux_mike | what about adding it to the mime config file? |
| 01:11:22 | ljp-- | tux: I'm not sure.. I set it anyway |
| 01:12:06 | tux_mike | how do you set it, take the $HOME and add /Documents/mime/type? |
| 01:12:09 | ljp-- | it seems that registerMimeType would do that, but I'm not real sure if thats accessable or works |
| 01:12:24 | ljp-- | MimeType? |
| 01:13:10 | kergoth | BZFlag: ping. did you get pcmcia-cs to build properly? |
| 01:13:18 | tux_mike | well, i want this to work like any other qtopia program. with the fileselector, adding shit to the documents tab and the like |
| 01:13:19 | ljp-- | tux: in the desktop file for your app MimeType=text/x-flashcard |
| 01:13:52 | tux_mike | ok |
| 01:13:59 | kergoth | BZFlag: mine freaked because i had blown away my /opt/Embedix glibc-arm.. couldnt find -lc or crt1.o or crti.o, had to fix the link flags to point them to the new glibc |
| 01:14:12 | p00r0ne | schwing kergoth rules!!! |
| 01:14:21 | ljp-- | fileselector work form the mimetypes file, I think.. there has got to be a way to register one.. I need to look at doing that myself. I just do a workarounsd |
| 01:14:41 | p00r0ne | qtopia desktop on linux running!, lets try syncing this stuff up a bit |
| 01:14:48 | tux_mike | ljp--: have you tried to add it to mime.types? |
| 01:15:08 | ljp-- | actually.. I think it gets registers from the .desktop file |
| 01:15:09 | p00r0ne | then perhaps ill </law_suit> |
| 01:15:35 | tux_mike | ljp--: i think that overrides defualts |
| 01:15:36 | ljp-- | cause fileselector shows the correct icons for my app's docs when I specify my MimeType |
| 01:16:02 | whardier | Airsnort 2.0 rules my funk |
| 01:16:07 | kergoth | whardier: does it? |
| 01:16:19 | kergoth | whardier: the buildsystem was way fucked. bzflag fixed a number of bugs |
| 01:16:28 | kergoth | whardier: pcmcia-cs is broken atm, though |
| 01:16:33 | tux_mike | whardier: you got airsnort working on the z? |
| 01:17:11 | whardier | no |
| 01:17:11 | whardier | haha |
| 01:17:19 | whardier | I am gonnaload kismet tho |
| 01:17:27 | whardier | pcmcia-cs is a bitch |
| 01:17:30 | tux_mike | i want to do some war walking! |
| 01:17:36 | whardier | well futwa |
| 01:17:43 | whardier | have you ever played with airsnort tux_mike |
| 01:17:49 | whardier | you are gonna have to walk REALLY slow |
| 01:17:54 | whardier | around some really busy networks |
| 01:17:59 | tux_mike | no shit :) |
| 01:18:07 | whardier | really really slow |
| 01:18:08 | whardier | :) |
| 01:18:25 | tux_mike | well, i was figuring the best place to do some war walking woudl be the mall |
| 01:18:41 | whardier | a bank just put up 802.11b right across the street from me |
| 01:18:49 | whardier | I am gonna get the orinoco patch done |
| 01:18:59 | whardier | then throw my 24" grid dish antenna at it |
| 01:19:05 | whardier | :P |
| 01:19:08 | whardier | I am not evil |
| 01:19:09 | tux_mike | lol |
| 01:19:14 | whardier | I just need a backup network |
| 01:19:21 | tux_mike | make their atms spit out money! |
| 01:19:24 | whardier | no shit |
| 01:19:31 | whardier | I just wanna get an account with them |
| 01:19:34 | whardier | put in 150,00 |
| 01:19:38 | whardier | and then go home |
| 01:19:42 | whardier | and make it 15,000.00 |
| 01:19:47 | ljp-- | use the internet as a backup! :) |
| 01:19:48 | whardier | :) |
| 01:19:51 | tux_mike | just tell me when and where so i can pick some up :) |
| 01:19:59 | whardier | ljp-- exactly |
| 01:20:09 | whardier | when the company I get wireless from (for being their sysadmin) goes down |
| 01:20:12 | whardier | I wanna use the bank |
| 01:20:17 | ljp-- | hehehe |
| 01:20:26 | whardier | or Value Plastics.. they have one too |
| 01:20:33 | whardier | and the Poudre school district has one as well |
| 01:20:42 | whardier | PoudreRJ5 is their essid |
| 01:20:55 | whardier | what I really need to do is find ESSID's in my apt complex |
| 01:20:58 | ljp-- | wireless? really? |
| 01:21:01 | whardier | yeah |
| 01:21:13 | ljp-- | sittin ducks, man |
| 01:21:16 | whardier | there are 5 wireless networks where I live |
| 01:21:19 | whardier | and all of em are sitting ducks |
| 01:21:23 | whardier | except for mine |
| 01:21:25 | whardier | :P |
| 01:21:50 | kergoth | beats pcmcia-cs over the head |
| 01:21:52 | ljp-- | I know one guy that drives around looking for wireless netowrks |
| 01:22:17 | whardier | yeah |
| 01:22:18 | whardier | I do that |
| 01:22:24 | whardier | here is a fun story |
| 01:22:28 | whardier | so I am driving around |
| 01:22:33 | whardier | found a network |
| 01:22:40 | whardier | parked |
| 01:22:45 | whardier | got on their network |
| 01:22:51 | whardier | was joyfull |
| 01:22:57 | whardier | logged in and started IRC 'ing and doing some mail |
| 01:23:03 | whardier | then I got a call |
| 01:23:16 | whardier | "Hi shane.. its your boss.. can I ask you a few questions" |
| 01:23:21 | whardier | typical boss banter |
| 01:23:38 | whardier | "uh.. I am checking my mail at the moment.. whats up?" |
| 01:23:48 | whardier | boss "blah blah blah.. can you do this for me?" |
| 01:23:55 | whardier | "dude.. I am in my car.. can it wait?" |
| 01:24:09 | whardier | boss "but.. but.. you just said you were checking youe mail!" |
| 01:24:22 | ljp-- | hehehe |
| 01:24:28 | tux_mike | heh |
| 01:24:30 | whardier | I love doing that |
| 01:24:36 | whardier | I found a sweet spot |
| 01:24:38 | whardier | right next to a great pub |
| 01:24:40 | whardier | the county cork |
| 01:24:50 | whardier | I am gonna do all my business meetings there |
| 01:24:52 | ljp-- | cork? |
| 01:24:58 | whardier | cause I have access to a wireless network |
| 01:25:00 | whardier | cork.. |
| 01:25:12 | ljp-- | cork tree? |
| 01:25:17 | whardier | checks to see if airsnort has cracked my network yet |
| 01:25:22 | kergoth | stupid pcmcia-cs |
| 01:25:22 | whardier | "The County Cork" |
| 01:26:34 | whardier | just arm issues |
| 01:26:38 | whardier | or "root" issoes? |
| 01:27:57 | kergoth | ugh |
| 01:27:59 | kergoth | patches pcmcia-cs |
| 01:28:55 | kergoth | whardier: almost got it working |
| 01:29:01 | kergoth | whardier: our build env on geezer wasnt happy |
| 01:30:21 | tux_mike | geezer? |
| 01:30:33 | kergoth | tux_mike: dev box |
| 01:30:48 | ljp-- | akk. I'm supposed to go help a friend setup her USB printer on windows 98... |
| 01:30:58 | ljp-- | i dont feel like it |
| 01:31:21 | ljp-- | even if I was going to get a home cooked dinner out of it. some other night |
| 01:32:12 | kergoth | woah |
| 01:32:14 | kergoth | its 7:30 |
| 01:32:17 | kergoth | i got off work at 6 |
| 01:32:25 | kergoth | now, i got done working at 6:30, since i had shit to do |
| 01:32:26 | kergoth | wt? |
| 01:32:29 | kergoth | s/wt/wtf/ |
| 01:35:12 | ljp-- | time flies, eh? |
| 01:35:26 | kergoth | yup, that it does |
| 01:35:46 | ljp-- | wants access to linkproperties... :( |
| 01:36:03 | tux_mike | hacks ljp some access |
| 01:36:31 | ljp-- | oh I did that already.. but its the Zaurus libs that are a problem |
| 01:37:45 | ljp-- | no linky, or crashy crashy on the Z |
| 01:39:55 | whardier | rule |
| 01:39:59 | whardier | airsnort worked! |
| 01:40:01 | ljp-- | works fine here on x86 |
| 01:40:03 | whardier | on my x86 |
| 01:40:17 | ljp-- | craker |
| 01:40:24 | whardier | :P |
| 01:40:58 | ljp-- | how long did it take? |
| 01:41:10 | kergoth | whardier: hey |
| 01:41:16 | kergoth | whardier: pcmcia-cs built |
| 01:41:18 | kergoth | whardier: finally |
| 01:41:31 | kergoth | whardier: now i can go home |
| 01:41:33 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:41:51 | ljp-- | go home kergoth |
| 01:42:51 | kergoth | yeah |
| 01:43:40 | ljp-- | well.. I WAS inspired to hack some code.. hmmm. pizza time |
| 01:43:58 | whardier | time to crack 5PoudreR1 |
| 01:44:05 | whardier | I had pizza for lunch |
| 01:45:16 | p00r0ne | bbl thanks * |
| 01:45:36 | ljp-- | how much ya give me not to tell :) |
| 01:46:19 | ljp-- | finally remembers what he was planning on workingon |
| 01:49:39 | tux_mike | crap |
| 01:50:06 | tux_mike | it's writing a desktop file for application/octet-stream |
| 01:52:57 | tux_mike | ljp--: i got it. no path setting! |
| 01:53:34 | ljp-- | cool |
| 01:55:02 | p00r0ne | question, does netcat come installed by default on the zaurus? |
| 01:55:10 | whardier | no |
| 01:55:22 | p00r0ne | hehe, then they sent me a refurbed one, the fuckers |
| 01:55:30 | p00r0ne | goes back into warpath |
| 01:55:31 | whardier | prolly |
| 01:55:52 | tux_mike | ljp--: you can see how i do it when i'm done. :) |
| 01:55:57 | Neo|Work | i think netcat is default |
| 01:56:03 | p00r0ne | really? |
| 01:56:13 | Neo|Work | the konsole even has it in it's quick command menu |
| 01:56:31 | p00r0ne | right, thats what i saw, nc localhost 7777 |
| 01:56:36 | p00r0ne | in quick view |
| 01:59:57 | Neo|Work | seems like QMainWindow in QPE gives you quit on cancel and menu on menu button |
| 02:00:14 | tux_mike | yah |
| 02:00:46 | Neo|Work | too bad only eDict uses QMainWindow. :P |
| 02:00:51 | tux_mike | NeoTron: do you know how to set a window to maximized? |
| 02:00:54 | Neo|Work | since neither SA or Eligo would use the features |
| 02:01:09 | Neo|Work | tux_mike: maximized is default, do you mean fullscreen (i.e no taskbar)? |
| 02:01:24 | Neo|Work | default for the main widget that is |
| 02:01:39 | whardier | :P |
| 02:01:42 | tux_mike | max isn't default for a QDialog, but i need it maximized |
| 02:01:55 | Neo|Work | diag->showMaximized() |
| 02:02:14 | Neo|Work | instead of diag->show() that is |
| 02:02:32 | tux_mike | hrm... i use exec... i'll just throw that in before the exec then |
| 02:02:38 | Neo|Work | right |
| 02:03:45 | tux_mike | sweet. almost there! |
| 02:03:55 | Neo|Work | heh, interesting idea - make your custom ROM webpage. :) |
| 02:04:22 | tux_mike | make a web page that is served by your own custom ROM? |
| 02:04:30 | tux_mike | hey warmi |
| 02:04:49 | warmi | hi |
| 02:05:08 | warmi | do you guys know Ben Hui ? |
| 02:05:21 | warmi | I saw his post to qpe_dev |
| 02:05:26 | warmi | the guy is desperate |
| 02:05:34 | Neo|Work | concerning what? |
| 02:05:34 | tux_mike | ? |
| 02:05:54 | warmi | continue to be a disappointing day. no Z, no phone call, no UPS note, |
| 02:05:55 | warmi | nothing at all. How far is canada from the US!?!? |
| 02:05:56 | warmi | TT, please track it down for me, or give me the tracking number. tomorrow is |
| 02:05:57 | warmi | the LAST working day of this week in Canada. Either I get it tomorrow, or it |
| 02:05:58 | warmi | won't make it for the contest. If we can track it down today, I may still |
| 02:05:59 | warmi | NOW |
| 02:06:00 | warmi | -------------- |
| 02:06:02 | Neo|Work | ah, yes |
| 02:06:12 | Neo|Work | saw that post |
| 02:06:22 | tux_mike | he should try and phone someone. |
| 02:06:32 | warmi | phone who ? |
| 02:06:33 | tux_mike | i wouldn't post to an internet message list |
| 02:06:48 | tux_mike | TT. i thought i saw a number on there |
| 02:07:07 | warmi | Neo: did you package come from Sharp or TT ? |
| 02:07:22 | ljp-- | he should phone Aron |
| 02:07:28 | Neo|Work | warmi: I believe Sharp |
| 02:07:44 | Neo|Work | and trust me, mailing TT isn't exactly productive. Calling might be I suppose |
| 02:07:58 | Neo|Work | Sharp supposedly did all in-US shipments, using FedEx |
| 02:08:00 | Neo|Work | supposedly |
| 02:08:29 | warmi | TT admited they have no power over what Sharp does with in-US shipments. . |
| 02:08:52 | tux_mike | sharp was who sent them out? i thought the contest was TT? |
| 02:09:05 | warmi | only for US based contestants |
| 02:09:21 | warmi | actually TT did better job |
| 02:09:30 | warmi | most of the people outside of US already got their Z .. |
| 02:09:38 | warmi | US rate is about 50% at this point |
| 02:09:44 | Neo|Work | really that bad? |
| 02:09:55 | Neo|Work | of course, I wouldn't put it past FedEx to screw up either |
| 02:09:55 | warmi | well, you ljp and BB got theirs |
| 02:10:13 | warmi | me , guy from Florida and NC are still waiting |
| 02:10:14 | tux_mike | good thing i didnt do anything with the contest |
| 02:10:25 | Neo|Work | they managed to deliver 1 GB of memory to <some unknown place> while delivering something else to our house 3 minutes later |
| 02:10:43 | warmi | hah |
| 02:10:52 | Neo|Work | wasn't the guy on the ML from Canada? |
| 02:10:59 | warmi | he was .. |
| 02:11:04 | warmi | but he was an exception |
| 02:11:19 | warmi | tons of people outside of US got their prizes |
| 02:11:19 | Neo|Work | well, gesh |
| 02:11:38 | Neo|Work | if Jason gets what he wants (relatively frequent contests), they better get better at this |
| 02:11:51 | Neo|Work | we don't know all who got them in-US either |
| 02:12:05 | Neo|Work | since we probably don't "know of" more than half of all contestans, if that |
| 02:12:14 | warmi | one more thing .. one could expect delays etc with international shipping but in-US is rather unussual ... especially since they send overnight ( according to you Neo) |
| 02:12:31 | warmi | well, I kind of track this stuff |
| 02:12:41 | warmi | but you are right |
| 02:12:54 | Neo|Work | the main problem have been the lack of notification like "package sent, here is the tracking number" |
| 02:13:27 | warmi | exactly ... strangely , some poeple here in US got package from CA .. some from East Coast |
| 02:13:32 | warmi | wierd stuff |
| 02:13:57 | warmi | I do hope trolls extend their deadline one more week |
| 02:13:58 | Neo|Work | you're in the US right? |
| 02:14:02 | warmi | Chicago |
| 02:14:09 | Neo|Work | and no Z for you yet? |
| 02:14:13 | peanut | waves |
| 02:14:13 | warmi | no |
| 02:14:18 | Neo|Work | so bad |
| 02:14:22 | peanut | ok.. whats the deal with the rom flashed at javaone? |
| 02:14:26 | peanut | whats on it? |
| 02:14:27 | Neo|Work | have you talked to anyone about it? |
| 02:14:28 | peanut | hancom? |
| 02:14:28 | scanline | is away: I'm busy |
| 02:14:43 | Neo|Work | peanut: why? I'd think we'd heard if that was the case |
| 02:14:44 | warmi | I am in contact with the other two guys here in US who are still waiting |
| 02:14:55 | peanut | NeoTron: check out the rom download section on more.sbc.... |
| 02:14:57 | warmi | one of them send en email to sharp ... |
| 02:15:00 | warmi | will see |
| 02:15:05 | peanut | it specifically warns not to update if you had an update at javaone |
| 02:15:16 | warmi | I saw that warning |
| 02:15:17 | peanut | i wonder if they did something that changed HOW the roms are loaded |
| 02:15:31 | Neo|Work | I doubt it |
| 02:15:35 | peanut | i.e. the 55 (and now i guess the 50) are updated differently than standard practice. |
| 02:15:39 | peanut | NeoTron: i don't |
| 02:15:47 | Neo|Work | I do |
| 02:15:47 | peanut | argh.. auto expansion sucks |
| 02:15:59 | peanut | did you see the method for flashing the 55? |
| 02:16:01 | Neo|Work | I believe the flashign works the same |
| 02:16:05 | peanut | it does not |
| 02:16:10 | peanut | the 55 flashes differently |
| 02:16:11 | Neo|Work | oh? |
| 02:16:13 | Neo|Work | how so? |
| 02:16:17 | peanut | its on myzaurus |
| 02:16:30 | peanut | you have to flash using their software |
| 02:17:03 | peanut | see the faq under support, question 1 |
| 02:17:07 | peanut | how do i update my rom |
| 02:17:07 | warmi | man ... soon we will learn that 55 is not really all that compatible with 5000 hardware wise |
| 02:17:09 | warmi | hehe |
| 02:17:20 | scanline | is back (gone 00:02:52) |
| 02:17:26 | peanut | no.. |
| 02:17:39 | Neo|Work | seems like they dumbed down the flashing to a more user friendly level |
| 02:17:39 | scanline | really is back this time... he thinks |
| 02:17:40 | peanut | i think at javaone they "Flashed" something on the 50 to change the process |
| 02:17:51 | Neo|Work | i.e press a button in an app instead of C + D + hard reset |
| 02:17:53 | peanut | to the 55, hence the warning |
| 02:17:58 | Neo|Work | I'm sure it works the same in the backend though |
| 02:18:25 | peanut | NeoTron: maybe.. maybe not.. |
| 02:18:29 | Neo|Work | how about, instead of conspiracy theories, thinking about more logical reasons? |
| 02:18:34 | peanut | but it makes sense.. |
| 02:18:37 | peanut | more logical reasons? |
| 02:18:46 | Neo|Work | like, the rom on those are 1) newer, 2) include something specific to JavaONE (like wireless stuff) |
| 02:18:52 | peanut | what could sharp have changed on the attendees 50 to cause such a warning |
| 02:18:54 | Neo|Work | that would be a hell of a lot more likely |
| 02:19:03 | peanut | nope..; |
| 02:19:11 | peanut | that doesn't make sense either.. |
| 02:19:20 | peanut | it would seem to me that 1.13 is not the endall.. |
| 02:19:30 | peanut | i would imagine that we'll be getting 1.14 whatever soon.. |
| 02:19:41 | | jperlow-sharp was last seen on #zaurus 5 days, 3 hours, 17 minutes and 1 seconds ago, saying: kergoth: oz3 is based on debian? [Fri Mar 22 23:02:40 2002] |
| 02:19:41 | peanut | ibot seen jperlow-sharp |
| 02:19:53 | | jasonnj was last seen on #zaurus 5 days, 22 hours, 53 minutes and 50 seconds ago, saying: cause you get all the friggin dependency errors [Fri Mar 22 03:26:03 2002] |
| 02:19:53 | peanut | ibot seen jasonnj |
| 02:20:46 | peanut | anyone from lineo or sharp here? |
| 02:21:04 | peanut | tim??? |
| 02:21:06 | peanut | are you here |
| 02:21:34 | Neo|Work | I still don't think there are any conspiracy brewing here but simple some special feature specific for the conference |
| 02:21:37 | Neo|Work | or a newer version |
| 02:21:57 | peanut | i'm not necessarily into the conspiracy |
| 02:22:04 | peanut | i agree with you about a newer version.. |
| 02:22:26 | Neo|Work | the wording is a bit strange and terse, but then again, it is a japanese site! ;-) |
| 02:22:29 | peanut | we shall have to wait and see :) |
| 02:22:51 | peanut | still.. i remember all of these promises about getting the same software as the 55 |
| 02:22:56 | peanut | that seems like a broken promise.. |
| 02:23:02 | peanut | so we'll have to see about everything else. |
| 02:26:25 | tux_mike | NeoTron: is there a way to hide the tool bar? |
| 02:28:42 | Neo|Work | does toolbar->hide()? don't know really |
| 02:29:22 | tux_mike | hrm... well, if i can make the parent the container widget |
| 02:34:46 | warmi | crap.. /. has a story about new CLIE handhelds but nothing on Z |
| 02:35:19 | tux_mike | >< |
| 02:35:21 | tux_mike | fsckers |
| 02:35:34 | tux_mike | we know where thier priorites are. >< |
| 02:36:02 | peanut | /. is going downhill |
| 02:36:23 | warmi | I am sure they are mentioning CLIE because it runs PalmOS |
| 02:36:37 | warmi | I doubt PocketPC device will get coverage there :-) |
| 02:36:52 | tux_mike | palms suck |
| 02:37:03 | warmi | anyway, this new CLIE looks quite nice ... almost like Qtopia |
| 02:37:21 | warmi | I don't know how good PalmOS is these days |
| 02:37:27 | warmi | used to be rather crappy |
| 02:38:34 | warmi | tux: in your Qt apps do you use layouts ? |
| 02:38:55 | tux_mike | of course |
| 02:39:01 | Neo|Work | PalmOS 5 might be different but PalmOS 4 certainly seem more or less identical to previous versions |
| 02:39:11 | tux_mike | after i found out about them, i don't leave home without them :) |
| 02:39:19 | warmi | I had an aversion to layouts mostly because of Java and its stupid layout classes .. but Qt is a thing of beauty . very easy to use |
| 02:39:37 | tux_mike | lol... cat is popping bubble wrap!:) |
| 02:39:53 | warmi | NeoWork: I wonder if they are going to incorporate BEOS into their new OS |
| 02:39:57 | warmi | that would be something |
| 02:40:04 | Neo|Work | nice design though |
| 02:40:08 | Neo|Work | warmi: BeOS 6 I've heard |
| 02:40:50 | warmi | tux: your cat is a brave animal |
| 02:41:07 | tux_mike | my cat is a crazy animal |
| 02:41:42 | warmi | great ... I woudn't want to have a cat that is not at least a bit crazy |
| 02:42:32 | warmi | anyway, cats are rather independent to begin with |
| 02:42:39 | tux_mike | i don't like cats though. i like kittens. i wish i can have a permakitten |
| 02:42:45 | warmi | heheeh |
| 02:43:20 | warmi | well, they always retain that warm and fuzzy feeling |
| 02:43:26 | warmi | even when they get older |
| 02:43:39 | tux_mike | but so do dogs |
| 02:43:48 | warmi | unlike some dogs that grow to be big and nasty animals |
| 02:43:57 | tux_mike | not mine |
| 02:44:03 | warmi | nah ... some of them look downright ugly when they grow up |
| 02:44:04 | warmi | :-) |
| 02:44:41 | warmi | on the other hand dogs are more friendly .. you get more bang for the buck with them |
| 02:44:48 | tux_mike | yah |
| 02:45:03 | warmi | I have yet to see cats wagging their tails and running around like crazy when their owner comes home |
| 02:45:28 | warmi | how old is your cat tux ? |
| 02:46:00 | warmi | hah .. somebody got MySQL running on Z ... |
| 02:46:37 | warmi | pretty soon will have personal Oracle running there ( which btw is available for PocketPC devices ) |
| 02:47:40 | Neo|Work | wtf would you want that? :P |
| 02:47:52 | Neo|Work | now, berkeleydb on the other hand.. :P |
| 02:48:03 | tux_mike | the one playing wtih the bubble wrap, 8 mos |
| 02:48:07 | tux_mike | i have older ones though |
| 02:48:32 | warmi | Neo:berkleydb doesn't have SQL interface |
| 02:48:40 | Neo|Work | I'm aware of that |
| 02:48:52 | Neo|Work | it also doesn't run a server process (well, traditionally at least) |
| 02:48:58 | warmi | I am so used to it .. it is pain to use anything else :-) |
| 02:49:19 | warmi | it doesn't have to ... look at access it is file based app yet with almost complete SQL interface |
| 02:49:28 | warmi | tux: how many do you have ???/ |
| 02:49:38 | tux_mike | 3 |
| 02:49:42 | tux_mike | 2 dogs |
| 02:49:43 | warmi | man ... |
| 02:49:48 | warmi | holly shit |
| 02:49:49 | tux_mike | all fairly small |
| 02:49:59 | warmi | you are almost like Ozzbourne family .. |
| 02:50:12 | warmi | I don;t know if you guys watch their show on MTV .. |
| 02:50:12 | warmi | :-) |
| 02:50:17 | tux_mike | NeoTron: i have a VBoxLayout, how can i set one of the boxes to stretch |
| 02:50:22 | Neo|Work | we have 2 cats now. one disappeared some months ago |
| 02:50:26 | tux_mike | the rest not to |
| 02:51:09 | Neo|Work | lay->addWidget(stretchme, 1) and leave out the second arg on the rest |
| 02:51:27 | warmi | when you call addWidget ( QWidget *, int stretch = 0, int alignment = 0 ) set stretch to >0 and leave empty for the otehrs |
| 02:51:35 | warmi | huh .. Neo: beat me to it .. as always |
| 02:51:40 | tux_mike | i'm almost done |
| 02:51:46 | tux_mike | i can smell it :) |
| 02:52:02 | tux_mike | oh, wait, that's what's left of dinner |
| 02:52:03 | Neo|Work | heh. :) |
| 02:52:10 | Neo|Work | tux_mike: what are you making btw? |
| 02:52:25 | tux_mike | flashcard program |
| 02:53:17 | Neo|Work | which does what? :) |
| 02:53:44 | peanut | yawns |
| 02:53:45 | peanut | is off |
| 02:53:46 | tux_mike | simple program to act like random flash cards. i'm using it for my japanese class |
| 02:54:02 | warmi | japanese ?? |
| 02:54:34 | Neo|Work | oh. so not flash card as in SD/CF but for example english/japanese text where you see japanese and can then see the "back" which has english? |
| 02:55:46 | tux_mike | yah |
| 02:57:16 | tux_mike | it can be used for anything, but it's intent is japanese/english |
| 03:00:31 | warmi | Neo: overall, are you satisfied with your Z ? |
| 03:00:54 | warmi | do you honestly believe it can compete against PocketPC apps ? |
| 03:01:41 | Neo|Work | I never seen/used a Pocket PC |
| 03:01:49 | Neo|Work | i'm highly satisfied but I'm not a typical user |
| 03:02:06 | Neo|Work | I make my own roms darn it! :P |
| 03:02:16 | warmi | I am asking more from an esthetical point of view .. |
| 03:02:21 | Neo|Work | I think I'll remove X11 though and put more useful stuff on there |
| 03:02:26 | warmi | does it have that "coolness" factor to it ? |
| 03:02:29 | Neo|Work | the UI is very nice and such |
| 03:02:46 | Neo|Work | very cool and everyone that sees it goes "ohh", "cool", "wow" etc |
| 03:02:54 | warmi | so you already managed to stick X11 on it ????/ |
| 03:02:58 | Neo|Work | apps - well, fine but can be tweaked |
| 03:03:06 | Neo|Work | warmi: yeah. there were packages already |
| 03:03:23 | whardier | heh |
| 03:03:24 | Neo|Work | I just made a rom image with X instead of Java adding X to the little "post-boot" menu |
| 03:03:24 | whardier | I rule |
| 03:03:31 | warmi | there is no poin, as far as performance goes, it won't be any faster than Qtopia |
| 03:03:52 | warmi | but you will get thousands of X based apps running out of the box |
| 03:03:53 | warmi | :-) |
| 03:04:23 | Neo|Work | it's "cool" |
| 03:04:36 | Neo|Work | and as I said, I think I'll remove it and put other kewl stuff on there |
| 03:04:37 | warmi | hehe... I can telly you are not a big fan of Java |
| 03:04:45 | Neo|Work | not at all. :P |
| 03:04:53 | Neo|Work | slow. bulky... :P |
| 03:05:10 | Neo|Work | I might make myself a java ipk though |
| 03:05:16 | Neo|Work | since I have the files needed |
| 03:05:44 | warmi | yeah, I know .. I work with Java daily .. it is not something I would recommend people run on their desktops |
| 03:06:23 | Neo|Work | I have yet to see a great, fast, java program |
| 03:06:32 | Neo|Work | I know it's possible but I don't really see the point |
| 03:06:41 | Neo|Work | especially since it generally isn't cross platform anyway |
| 03:06:51 | warmi | interstingly, there is not much activity on the Java side of Z |
| 03:07:21 | Neo|Work | indeed |
| 03:07:29 | Neo|Work | might change after javaone though |
| 03:07:38 | Neo|Work | lots of java developers now own a Z |
| 03:07:42 | warmi | one would think, with Java being hyped so much and thousands of Java programmers out there, it would at least rival Qt .. |
| 03:15:57 | whardier | wow |
| 03:16:06 | whardier | I just unearthed all the IP's for the school district |
| 03:30:34 | whardier | http://vash.umgllc.com/merc.jpg |
| 03:30:39 | whardier | thats oneko |
| 03:30:56 | whardier | I just ran that on the poudre school districts main web servers display |
| 03:31:01 | whardier | cause somebody felt like xhost + |
| 03:31:01 | whardier | haha |
| 03:31:10 | whardier | now if only I could open a shell |
| 03:31:15 | whardier | that would make me happy |
| 03:40:14 | ljp-- | try bash , dude |
| 03:40:51 | Zfan | hello? |
| 03:41:23 | warmi_brb | hi |
| 03:41:57 | Zfan | I'm a Z fan |
| 03:42:25 | warmi | I am too ... but I don't have a Z yet |
| 03:42:27 | warmi | :-) |
| 03:42:46 | Zfan | I have a Z but no case yet |
| 03:43:06 | warmi | 5000 ? |
| 03:43:09 | warmi | or 5500 ? |
| 03:43:09 | Zfan | yes |
| 03:43:16 | Zfan | 5k |
| 03:43:22 | warmi | well, I am waiting for one |
| 03:43:30 | Zfan | 5500? |
| 03:43:34 | warmi | it was a prize in Trolls contest |
| 03:43:38 | warmi | no, 5000 |
| 03:43:53 | Zfan | are you going to get a case too? |
| 03:44:00 | ljp-- | warmi: no get yet? |
| 03:44:04 | warmi | I don't think so |
| 03:44:07 | warmi | ljp: not yet |
| 03:44:23 | ljp-- | I have a case fo rmy Z--- my pocket |
| 03:44:27 | warmi | and there are at least 2 others in US who are still waiting .... |
| 03:44:29 | warmi | heheh |
| 03:44:33 | ljp-- | wow |
| 03:44:37 | ljp-- | that lame |
| 03:44:48 | warmi | yeah, something is definately wrong with it |
| 03:45:09 | Zfan | mine took less than a week to arrive |
| 03:45:24 | ljp-- | too ad they didn't even email the tracking number |
| 03:45:27 | warmi | but pretty much "in line" considering the way this contest was run |
| 03:45:30 | ljp-- | s/ad/bad |
| 03:45:40 | ljp-- | true |
| 03:46:07 | warmi | I think mine is being shipped from Sharp and trolls claim they can't do anything about it |
| 03:46:27 | warmi | anyway, will just wait... can't really do anything else |
| 03:47:40 | warmi | anyone seen 5500 in retail stores yet ? |
| 03:47:52 | tux_mike | people say they are at fry's |
| 03:48:14 | ljp-- | warmi: 201-529-9569 |
| 03:48:16 | warmi | I know amazon is shipping them but I wonder when I will be able to find one at my local Best Buy |
| 03:48:34 | warmi | what's that ljp ? |
| 03:48:49 | ljp-- | the phone # on the return adddress |
| 03:48:59 | warmi | you got it from Sharp ? |
| 03:49:03 | warmi | or Trolls ? |
| 03:49:09 | ljp-- | Sharp- NJ |
| 03:49:23 | ljp-- | got it 3/22 sent 3/21 |
| 03:49:34 | warmi | hah |
| 03:49:48 | warmi | then obviously, either mine got lost or was never sent |
| 03:49:56 | warmi | it looks like overnight |
| 03:50:03 | ljp-- | or they messed up the address |
| 03:50:17 | warmi | yeah, that's another posibility |
| 03:50:59 | warmi | I did confirm the correct address for Trolls but .. |
| 03:51:16 | warmi | I am just wondering about the other two guys ... |
| 03:51:32 | warmi | :-) |
| 03:52:03 | warmi | have you seen that email from some dude from canada on qpe-devel list ? |
| 03:52:10 | warmi | ----- |
| 03:52:11 | warmi | continue to be a disappointing day. no Z, no phone call, no UPS note, |
| 03:52:12 | ljp-- | ya |
| 03:52:12 | warmi | nothing at all. How far is canada from the US!?!? |
| 03:52:14 | warmi | TT, please track it down for me, or give me the tracking number. tomorrow is |
| 03:52:14 | warmi | the LAST working day of this week in Canada. Either I get it tomorrow, or it |
| 03:52:15 | warmi | won't make it for the contest. If we can track it down today, I may still |
| 03:52:16 | warmi | NOW |
| 03:52:17 | warmi | --------- |
| 03:52:18 | warmi | heheheeh |
| 03:52:28 | warmi | I can understand his pain .. |
| 03:52:43 | warmi | frankly, I do hope trolls will extend this contest at least for one more week |
| 03:52:48 | ljp-- | I'd try calling that number tomorrow.. |
| 03:52:53 | warmi | I will |
| 03:53:01 | warmi | something is definately wrong here |
| 03:53:13 | ljp-- | yep |
| 03:53:14 | warmi | thanks for the number |
| 03:53:18 | ljp-- | sure |
| 03:56:24 | tux_mike | ok, my flashcard program is in the good enough stage |
| 03:56:44 | tux_mike | few things don't work, but meh. whacha gonna do |
| 03:57:44 | ljp-- | fire ya |
| 03:57:47 | ljp-- | :) |
| 03:58:43 | tux_mike | huh? |
| 03:58:44 | Zfan | so where can I find the programs that won the developer contest? |
| 03:59:12 | Flux0r | kick's ][N-Flux in da teffes |
| 03:59:34 | warmi | the contest is not over yet |
| 03:59:58 | Flux0r | did everyone even get the z's yet |
| 04:00:05 | warmi | some of the entries are documented at http://www.zauruszone.com/wiki/index.php?ContestEntries |
| 04:00:09 | warmi | Flux: no .. |
| 04:00:12 | warmi | far from it :-) |
| 04:00:20 | Zfan | danka |
| 04:00:57 | Fluxwerk | ponders when Z's will hit retail stores |
| 04:01:00 | warmi | flux: did you get yours ? |
| 04:01:10 | Fluxwerk | warmi: I bought mine |
| 04:01:30 | warmi | right, that neve fails |
| 04:01:34 | Fluxwerk | indeed |
| 04:01:47 | tux_mike | touches up his stuff. |
| 04:01:52 | Fluxwerk | I don't code |
| 04:01:58 | tux_mike | and why not? |
| 04:02:03 | Fluxwerk | I do some gfx work, whenever I find the damn time |
| 04:02:22 | warmi | gfx ?? |
| 04:02:25 | warmi | meaning ? |
| 04:02:30 | warmi | 3d .? |
| 04:02:36 | Fluxwerk | graphics, simple web shit, art etc etc |
| 04:02:38 | Fluxwerk | no 3d |
| 04:02:42 | Fluxwerk | 2d stuffs |
| 04:02:48 | warmi | ok |
| 04:03:12 | warmi | I understand you bought 5000 ? |
| 04:03:16 | Fluxwerk | I barely have time for 2 dimensions |
| 04:03:20 | warmi | hi fusion |
| 04:03:22 | warmi | hehe |
| 04:03:29 | Fluxwerk | yeah, bought it a while back |
| 04:03:49 | Fluxwerk | buddy bought one first, he was gonna code some stuff and ran into the same time constriants |
| 04:04:46 | warmi | not surprising .. according to someone close to trolls , there were more than 2000 contest registrations and only 200 apps were produced |
| 04:04:52 | fusion94 | hey guys |
| 04:05:12 | Fluxwerk | hrmmm |
| 04:05:12 | tux_mike | warmi: yah. |
| 04:05:26 | tux_mike | well, my project turned into opie changes :) |
| 04:05:42 | warmi | you should have entered tux |
| 04:05:53 | warmi | you are already have Z |
| 04:06:34 | Fluxwerk | anyone know what might cause apache to try and authenticate a user twice? |
| 04:07:22 | warmi | in what context ? |
| 04:08:11 | Fluxwerk | what the heck |
| 04:16:21 | Fluxwerk | man I am beat |
| 04:16:28 | Fluxwerk | long work days suck |
| 04:17:12 | NeoTron | is back (gone 10:24:26) |
| 04:17:16 | Fluxwerk | hey Neo |
| 04:17:28 | NeoTron | is away: I'm busy |
| 04:17:45 | NeoTron | is back (gone 00:00:00) |
| 04:18:00 | NeoTron | woops |
| 04:18:02 | NeoTron | hello |
| 04:18:04 | NeoTron | got any kewl gfx samples? :P |
| 04:29:25 | Fluxwerk | at work |
| 04:29:34 | MEGASTeP | is away: I'm away, dammit |
| 04:29:34 | Fluxwerk | which I'm not located at atm |
| 04:30:03 | Fluxwerk | got a decent playfield and a few slick planets |
| 04:30:18 | NeoTron | :) |
| 04:33:35 | Fluxwerk | how's you hacked rom going |
| 04:33:49 | warmi | what is that "Pauls Rom" people keep refering to on qpe-dev list ? |
| 04:33:51 | Fluxwerk | is itching to reflash |
| 04:34:00 | warmi | is this OPIE ? |
| 04:34:25 | NeoTron | Paul's rom uses the SD for /home instead of using a ramdisk |
| 04:34:40 | NeoTron | this means that you get all 32 MB on the box as memory |
| 04:34:53 | | somebody said opie was at opie.handhelds.org and in the Channel #Opie |
| 04:34:53 | NeoTron | ibot opie |
| 04:35:11 | Fluxwerk | heard it had "issues" though |
| 04:35:27 | NeoTron | and I run NeoRom which is Paul's rom w/o java with X11 |
| 04:35:30 | warmi | yeah, people claim stuff runs slow |
| 04:35:37 | NeoTron | I'll probably remove X11 and add other stuff instead |
| 04:35:47 | NeoTron | and sure it's slower, SD isn't exactly as fast as the builtin RAM. |
| 04:35:55 | NeoTron | to be exact, it's slow. :P MMC is even slower |
| 04:35:58 | warmi | Neo: you better make sure you run the very same rom trolls are running (official ?) |
| 04:36:07 | warmi | that's just for the sake of your contest entry ;-) |
| 04:36:23 | NeoTron | warmi: qtopia/kernel is the same. :-P |
| 04:36:56 | warmi | well, but I have seen people complaining about Strategic A. giving them "bus error" ... |
| 04:37:03 | warmi | have you resolved that issue yet ? |
| 04:37:13 | warmi | I wanna buy that game |
| 04:37:54 | NeoTron | I don't get that error (on any dist mind you) |
| 04:37:59 | NeoTron | so it's hard to fix. :P |
| 04:38:01 | NeoTron | and |
| 04:39:07 | NeoTron | now I do get lockups with Paul's/my room |
| 04:39:10 | NeoTron | s/room/rom/ |
| 04:39:16 | NeoTron | seems to happen when I have it in the dock.. |
| 04:39:44 | NeoTron | w/ networking enabled |
| 04:40:30 | whardier | gets to officially hack HP in a few days |
| 04:40:38 | whardier | the sysadmin is betting a friend of mine it cannot be done |
| 04:40:39 | warmi | I am not that adventurous .... I think I am just gonna stick to 1.13 |
| 04:40:52 | NeoTron | I might suggest 1.12 actually |
| 04:41:05 | NeoTron | the home disk is a bit too small in 1.13 generally |
| 04:41:05 | warmi | I thought 1.13 offered more RAM |
| 04:41:12 | NeoTron | pleny of pkgs don't install on cf/sd |
| 04:41:18 | tux_mike | 5m storage isn't enough |
| 04:41:32 | warmi | thanks |
| 04:41:46 | warmi | I wonder why apps won't install on cf/sd ... |
| 04:41:56 | NeoTron | oh, ipkg sucks first of all. ;-) |
| 04:42:07 | NeoTron | generally you have no idea why it failed, just that it failed |
| 04:42:24 | tux_mike | sorry, ipkg failed |
| 04:42:42 | NeoTron | but run from konsole and it works better. :) |
| 04:42:51 | warmi | well, most likely it lacks that option ( forgot what it is) in RPM where you can remap root dir or somethign like that |
| 04:42:59 | warmi | basically fool package |
| 04:43:43 | warmi | just unpack it .... tar-gz and install it manually :-) |
| 04:43:52 | warmi | if you care enough, that is |
| 04:44:14 | NeoTron | there's plenty of magic going on actually |
| 04:44:20 | NeoTron | soft links all over the place |
| 04:44:26 | warmi | heh |
| 04:44:43 | warmi | is that true that /root is read-only ? |
| 04:47:09 | tux_mike | hrm... need to make new wifi config page |
| 04:48:03 | NeoTron | nice. strategic assault only uses about 50-60% cpu :) |
| 04:48:16 | tux_mike | that's good |
| 04:48:33 | NeoTron | generally aroung 45% or so it seems |
| 04:48:55 | warmi | what's next on your plate Neo ? |
| 04:49:01 | warmi | any new porting deals ? |
| 04:49:12 | NeoTron | Candy Cruncher |
| 04:49:18 | NeoTron | from pyrogon.com |
| 04:49:33 | NeoTron | IF from xengames.com |
| 04:49:38 | tux_mike | make a bejeweled clone, i'll pay you for it :) |
| 04:49:38 | NeoTron | my own new game |
| 04:49:57 | NeoTron | that too perhaps. :P |
| 04:49:59 | warmi | hah... this candy thingy looks cool |
| 04:50:08 | NeoTron | pretty fun puzzle game |
| 04:50:24 | tux_mike | yah it looks cool |
| 04:50:45 | warmi | you gonna have to squeeze it a bit |
| 04:50:47 | warmi | heh |
| 04:51:41 | NeoTron | indeed |
| 04:52:07 | warmi | perhaps move info screen to the top |
| 04:52:20 | warmi | but tux is right |
| 04:52:23 | NeoTron | think I'll go back to the standard rom by sharp for now |
| 04:52:27 | NeoTron | this lockup isn't good |
| 04:52:32 | warmi | try to talk some sense into bejeveled people .. |
| 04:52:44 | warmi | and port their game to Z |
| 04:52:53 | warmi | that would be an instant success |
| 04:53:32 | tux_mike | hrmm... yah.. i need to add wifi profiles |
| 04:55:03 | tux_mike | wifi profiles would rox0r |
| 04:56:28 | NeoTron | dang it my usb screwed itself up |
| 04:57:33 | tux_mike | hrm? |
| 04:57:42 | NeoTron | time to reboot... :P |
| 04:57:48 | NeoTron | my network stopped working to the Z |
| 04:58:01 | NeoTron | brb |
| 05:08:46 | NeoTron | re |
| 05:15:49 | whardier | is arp poisoning |
| 05:46:21 | whardier | ettercap rules |
| 06:44:55 | NeoTron | anyone knows what kind of graphics card etc the sharp has? |
| 06:48:30 | Olegs | Z does not have graphic card |
| 06:48:45 | Olegs | Intel CPU 1110 takes care about LCD screen |
| 06:48:51 | Olegs | max 65000 colors |
| 07:02:11 | NeoTron | just wondering about the speed etc |
| 07:06:58 | mark_ | i've just sat on my z |
| 07:07:12 | mark_ | its broken :( |
| 07:07:17 | NeoTron | you kidding? |
| 07:07:35 | mark_ | no |
| 07:07:41 | NeoTron | gesh |
| 07:08:02 | mark_ | the thing with the on/off buttons has come off |
| 07:09:04 | mark_ | shit |
| 07:09:05 | mark_ | :( |
| 07:11:30 | mark_ | NeoTron: shit shit shit shit shit |
| 07:11:51 | NeoTron | mark_: that sucks man |
| 07:12:16 | mark_ | nothing looks like it has snapped though |
| 07:12:21 | mark_ | so perhaps it will go back on |
| 07:12:24 | NeoTron | maybe |
| 07:12:40 | mark_ | flimsy design |
| 07:13:38 | mark_ | oh well, back to my ipaq i go |
| 07:24:22 | tux_mike | the day is mine! |
| 07:32:41 | NeoTron | seems like the absolutely fastest way to draw to the framebuffer is about 16.5 ms for a fullscreen blit |
| 07:32:50 | NeoTron | if you rotate the image that is |
| 07:33:15 | NeoTron | which means my 17.5 ms is pretty decent. :P |
| 07:39:02 | tux_mike | 17.5 in what? |
| 07:39:19 | NeoTron | Strategic Assault fb copy code |
| 07:39:46 | tux_mike | how are you doing that, qdirectpainter? |
| 07:39:49 | NeoTron | yes |
| 07:43:42 | mark_ | NeoTron: i got it back on :D |
| 07:45:29 | NeoTron | heh, good for mark |
| 07:45:47 | NeoTron | he sat on his Z and the pulldown thing broke off |
| 07:46:45 | tux_mike | i droped mine and it came off |
| 07:46:48 | tux_mike | i put it back on |
| 08:00:49 | NeoTron | anyone have the 1.12 rom somewhere? |
| 08:01:20 | tux_mike | newp not i |
| 08:01:31 | NeoTron | http://more.sbc.co.jp is slow |
| 08:02:50 | tux_mike | i should look into putting an ogg codec on thez |
| 08:04:19 | NeoTron | ah, got into ZZ and it's there |
| 08:10:33 | catalin | tux_mike: don't waste your time with the ogg codec |
| 08:10:57 | catalin | unless you're talking about an integrized codec, that is |
| 08:42:35 | NeoTron | how lame! with 1.12 ROM I get low memory warnings when running qinstall! |
| 09:07:46 | LordI | anyone know why the website says "JavaOne visitors must not install the 1.13 rom image"? |
| 09:09:27 | NeoTron | no |
| 09:14:26 | LordI | ok, thanks anyways |
| 09:20:20 | NeoTron | I just uploaded a top package to zaurus zone |
| 09:21:05 | kendrick2 | anyone home? |
| 09:21:10 | NeoTron | yes |
| 09:21:18 | kendrick2 | wonders if soon we'll need a #zaurus and #zaurus-devel set of chans :) |
| 09:21:27 | kendrick2 | know anything about making taskbar applets? |
| 09:21:30 | NeoTron | nope |
| 09:21:38 | kendrick2 | i think it'd be cool to have something which used flite to 'read' the current selection |
| 09:21:38 | NeoTron | other than that seem to be so files |
| 09:22:06 | NeoTron | btw, just uploaded a top package to zaurus zone |
| 09:22:15 | NeoTron | flite? |
| 09:22:27 | kendrick2 | i wonder who'd know / if there's a doc on it |
| 09:22:32 | kendrick2 | flite = festival(?) lite, i believe |
| 09:22:39 | kendrick2 | reads files or stdin |
| 09:22:41 | NeoTron | btw, I reverted from the SD rom because it wasn't stable |
| 09:22:49 | NeoTron | need stable to do the contest stuff. :P |
| 09:23:07 | kendrick2 | so my app would be "if I'm clicked, then popen("flite", "w")" and then a write() of the current selection |
| 09:23:10 | NeoTron | it locked up when suspending while docket or so |
| 09:23:17 | kendrick2 | 1.12SD seems fine for me so far |
| 09:23:17 | NeoTron | hmm |
| 09:23:21 | kendrick2 | no lockup, no need to reboot |
| 09:23:38 | kendrick2 | played a lot of sids, launched SA a few times to see if the brightness was indeed better |
| 09:23:44 | kendrick2 | i still think contract could take some tweaking ;) |
| 09:23:57 | NeoTron | contrast you mean? |
| 09:23:57 | kendrick2 | oh.. haven't cradle'd my z in a while |
| 09:24:02 | kendrick2 | err.. yeah - sorry :) |
| 09:24:18 | NeoTron | I think the problem is that the brightness is brightness and not gamma |
| 09:24:27 | NeoTron | so it looks more faded than it should |
| 09:24:43 | NeoTron | that said, that is a problem with the screen in general |
| 09:24:46 | NeoTron | not as vibrant colors |
| 09:24:49 | kendrick2 | yeah :^/ |
| 09:24:53 | kendrick2 | lower saturation |
| 09:24:59 | kendrick2 | screenshots always look like preschool drawings |
| 09:25:06 | kendrick2 | (when shown on desktop monitor) |
| 09:25:43 | NeoTron | woops |
| 09:25:53 | NeoTron | I just installed the x86 version of eligo on my Z. :P |
| 09:25:58 | kendrick2 | hehehe |
| 09:30:38 | kendrick2 | posts to z-qtopia list |
| 09:30:52 | kendrick2 | notices hancom said the suite wont be available for the sl-5000d :( |
| 09:32:41 | scanline | finally has a working busybox shell compiled |
| 09:34:03 | NeoTron | it is nice to have top installed on the z! |
| 09:34:06 | NeoTron | go download. :P |
| 09:34:34 | kendrick2 | :^P |
| 09:34:42 | kendrick2 | i'd rather set up sitescooper to dl pennyarcade comics ;) |
| 09:41:52 | kendrick2 | pennyarcade rules :) |
| 09:43:02 | kendrick2 | http://www.gamespy.com/comics2/archive.asp?id=734 <- for example :) ) |
| 09:43:40 | kendrick2 | should hit the so-called hay |
| 09:43:44 | kendrick2 | take it easy, neo |
| 09:43:56 | NeoTron | eek, eligo locked up |
| 09:44:04 | kendrick2 | <liminal message> S D L ! |
| 09:44:12 | kendrick2 | <super-liminal message> S D L !!!!!!!! |
| 09:44:14 | kendrick2 | ;) |
| 09:44:24 | NeoTron | read my lips: contest! ;-) |
| 09:44:28 | kendrick2 | d'oh |
| 09:44:33 | kendrick2 | isn't that over in 3 days or something? ;) |
| 09:44:37 | kendrick2 | anyway - goodnight |
| 09:44:39 | kendrick2 | and good luck! :) |
| 09:51:38 | NeoTron | tries to compile SDL for arm |
| 10:40:18 | | wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! |
| 10:40:18 | NetAmp | ibot: pong |
| 10:40:23 | | NetAmp: sorry... |
| 10:40:23 | NetAmp | ibot: alarmclock |
| 10:40:32 | | NetAmp: what? |
| 10:40:32 | NetAmp | ibot: ring |
| 10:40:34 | NetAmp | heh |
| 10:46:35 | NetAmp | "Demonstrating continuing commitment to academia, computer science research and the Shared Source Initiative, Microsoft Corp. today announced the availability of source code for its Shared Source CLI implementation. The Shared Source CLI source code implements the ECMA Common Language Infrastructure (CLI) and C# standards. It is available on the Microsoft® Windows® XP and FreeBSD operating systems. By delivering over 1 million lines of source cod |
| 10:59:30 | NeoTron | ok |
| 10:59:34 | NeoTron | now I can go to bed officially |
| 10:59:46 | NetAmp | sweet dreams ;) |
| 10:59:48 | NetAmp | ZZzz |
| 10:59:56 | NeoTron | got the first SDL app running on the Zaurus |
| 11:00:05 | NetAmp | I'm out of bed for 3hrs already |
| 11:01:29 | NetAmp | NeoTron: Does it run smoothly? |
| 11:01:33 | NeoTron | yeah |
| 11:01:35 | NetAmp | :D |
| 11:01:38 | NetAmp | sweet |
| 11:01:43 | NeoTron | but flaky |
| 11:01:47 | NetAmp | ow :S |
| 11:02:02 | NetAmp | SDL is supposed to be easy to program |
| 11:02:04 | NetAmp | ? |
| 11:03:00 | NeoTron | I suppose. :P |
| 11:04:07 | NeoTron | anyhow, 3 am |
| 11:04:13 | NeoTron | ++time to go to bed |
| 11:04:18 | NetAmp | C-ya! |
| 11:04:22 | NeoTron | ciao |
| 11:04:28 | NetAmp | don't forget |
| 11:04:34 | NetAmp | to set your Z alarmclock ;) |
| 11:18:34 | twiun | Morning |
| 11:44:49 | cbsmith | Hey folks.. I've got one of the JavaOne SL-5000d's.... I'm wondering about the WiFi cards though. It seems everyone likes the SMC and Socket ones more (compactness is next to godliness and all). |
| 11:45:33 | cbsmith | ...I'm wondering about power consumption though. All the WiFi cards suck the battery dry. The Socket one seems like the easiest on the batteries, but driver support appears to be weak at best. Thoughts? |
| 11:54:10 | twiun | no wifi here cbsmith - you'll have better luck in 4/5 hours |
| 11:54:18 | twiun | when the guys from the US log on |
| 11:54:35 | cbsmith | Hehe. Thx.. I'll check in in the morning. |
| 11:56:21 | twiun | np |
| 12:01:56 | scanline | is away: ZzZz |
| 13:01:06 | zecke | is there a way to get the production rom? |
| 13:09:19 | ljp-- | beg bipolar |
| 13:09:29 | ljp-- | heh probably not |
| 13:16:10 | zecke | ljp--: lol |
| 13:16:16 | zecke | ljp--: I got mine today |
| 13:32:35 | porto | heyo :) |
| 13:34:13 | ljp-- | zecke: your Z? |
| 14:55:20 | kergoth | hey |
| 15:06:23 | whardier | cracking wep.. codes.. cracking wep.. codes.. ... la la la la lal ala la |
| 15:07:27 | ljp_work | hey change my grades while your at it! |
| 15:07:52 | zecke | ljp_work: my Z |
| 15:08:10 | ljp_work | ahh finally, eh? |
| 15:08:58 | ljp_work | first thing I'd do is flash that rom |
| 15:09:33 | zecke | ljp_work: how do I setup a usbnet? where is the kernel patch? |
| 15:09:57 | d4n | hi |
| 15:10:03 | ljp_work | yes, but I think its been patched into the kernel.. I'm notsure about that tho |
| 15:10:13 | d4n | someone speaks german |
| 15:10:14 | d4n | ? |
| 15:10:37 | porto | ich :) |
| 15:10:51 | porto | aber muss weg bin um 21 uhr wieder da :) |
| 15:10:59 | d4n | ok |
| 15:11:02 | zecke | d4n yes |
| 15:11:13 | d4n | hi zecke |
| 15:12:40 | killefiz | hi, I just got my shiny new SL-5500G and I'm asking myself if it really hurts the batteries if I don't let them charge 24 hours for the first time. |
| 15:12:44 | killefiz | Any battery experts? |
| 15:12:47 | whardier | bastard.. |
| 15:13:02 | killefiz | whardier: ?? |
| 15:13:05 | whardier | do yourself a favor man.. |
| 15:13:11 | whardier | Realize that you have something awesome |
| 15:13:16 | whardier | and put it on a pedastal |
| 15:13:27 | whardier | don't just sit around twiddling your thumbs waiting for its juice to build up |
| 15:13:41 | Aelix | killefix: You can use it if you just plug in the AC adapter. just dont unplug it |
| 15:13:45 | whardier | :P |
| 15:14:15 | killefiz | Aelix: I tried running it without the batterie ... that does not work |
| 15:14:31 | Aelix | no leave the batteries in it. |
| 15:14:40 | Aelix | Just don't unplug it for 24 hours |
| 15:14:40 | whardier | make sure you switched the switch on the back to "up" |
| 15:23:18 | warmi | hi |
| 15:24:38 | Aelix | How hard do you think it would be to port http://www.rdesktop.org to the Zaurus? Would be nice to have a windows terminal service client so I can control both my linux and windows servers |
| 15:26:02 | warmi | whoa .. this is cool |
| 15:26:14 | whardier | use VNC |
| 15:26:43 | Aelix | VNC is easily compromised. |
| 15:26:46 | warmi | vnc requires vnc server to be installed on NT box |
| 15:26:55 | warmi | this thing is native ( and way faster) |
| 15:27:11 | whardier | how is VNC comprimised? |
| 15:27:20 | Aelix | dsniff will grab the passwords easy as cake |
| 15:27:26 | whardier | etercap as well |
| 15:27:27 | whardier | heh |
| 15:27:29 | whardier | ettercap |
| 15:28:00 | whardier | whats to say rdesktop is not as easy |
| 15:28:03 | warmi | whardier: it never hurts to have another option available for Z |
| 15:28:04 | whardier | it could be using plaintext |
| 15:28:05 | whardier | heh |
| 15:28:13 | warmi | it is using SSH |
| 15:28:15 | whardier | warmi I like the fbvncviewer |
| 15:28:31 | whardier | wait rdesktop connecting to a terminal server an NT one.. that is using SSH? |
| 15:28:54 | whardier | I can tunnel VNC too |
| 15:28:56 | warmi | sorry, I meant OpenSSL:-) |
| 15:29:07 | whardier | rdesktop uses openssl? |
| 15:29:20 | warmi | yeah |
| 15:29:36 | whardier | err |
| 15:29:39 | whardier | NT understands it? |
| 15:30:12 | Aelix | It is just plain des encryption I think |
| 15:30:17 | Aelix | openssl provides that |
| 15:30:34 | whardier | ok |
| 15:30:34 | warmi | I think so .. I am not sure yet how they use it |
| 15:30:42 | Aelix | I know you need it when you compile rdesktop |
| 15:30:48 | Aelix | Was a bitch to get compiled under HPUX |
| 15:30:54 | whardier | heh |
| 15:31:19 | Aelix | loathes HPUX |
| 15:31:35 | Aelix | but it pays his bills |
| 15:31:42 | Aelix | that didn't come out right |
| 15:31:46 | Aelix | drinks more coffee |
| 15:32:06 | whardier | dide |
| 15:32:07 | whardier | dude |
| 15:32:09 | whardier | rdesktop is fast |
| 15:32:11 | whardier | hehe |
| 15:32:14 | whardier | it works like a charm |
| 15:32:21 | whardier | thanks Aelix |
| 15:32:30 | Aelix | rdesktop is very nice yes |
| 15:32:43 | Aelix | We put that on our linux clients so people can use word, etc. |
| 15:32:58 | Aelix | Too bad it isn't under active development anymore |
| 15:33:22 | warmi | whardier: it is fast because Remote Desktop Protocol (RDP) on NT works like X protocol |
| 15:33:37 | warmi | while VNC simply send back and forth images ;-) |
| 15:33:38 | Aelix | It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of the Java bean that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. |
| 15:33:42 | whardier | warmi: yeah |
| 15:33:49 | Aelix | It doesn't support sound yet though |
| 15:33:56 | Aelix | RDP 5.1 supports sound transport |
| 15:34:08 | Aelix | Which I think only Citrix provides yet. |
| 15:34:17 | warmi | I don't think that would be a big deal Ae: |
| 15:34:45 | warmi | not like outlook is playing mp3s or annything .. |
| 15:34:49 | warmi | :-) |
| 15:35:02 | warmi | nor does MS word |
| 15:35:12 | Aelix | Yeah but it makes me laugh when people install RealPlayer into their profile and then complain there is no sound.. (when they are using rdesktop) |
| 15:35:42 | Aelix | Is there any tcpwrapper support for the Z? |
| 15:35:57 | Aelix | I don't want everyone and their mom getting into my web and vnc server |
| 15:36:00 | warmi | why would you want that ? |
| 15:36:20 | warmi | come on, this is a cunsumer level device we are talking about :-) |
| 15:36:23 | kergoth | Aelix: dont know offhand. just see if the items are called via tcpd in inetd.conf |
| 15:36:32 | kergoth | Aelix: btw i like that java litany you had there. :-) |
| 15:36:39 | warmi | but , since it is Linux, you can probably add it yourself |
| 15:36:47 | Aelix | kergoth: Ripped from Dune but yeah :) |
| 15:36:54 | kergoth | Aelix: well obviously :-P |
| 15:37:43 | warmi | looking at the source code .. |
| 15:37:52 | warmi | the only thing that will require porting is xwin.c |
| 15:38:00 | Aelix | Need to convince my boss that Zaurus development is a good use of my time at work. |
| 15:38:19 | Aelix | warmi: A qtopia version would be ideal. |
| 15:38:26 | warmi | and it would have to be compiled with NO_ASM |
| 15:38:28 | Aelix | This is in C how much more difficult would that make the port |
| 15:38:50 | warmi | there is some ASM in SSL code |
| 15:38:55 | warmi | but it is optional |
| 15:39:10 | warmi | on the other hand they use a lot of floating point math there |
| 15:39:33 | Aelix | oh yeah no FPU.. |
| 15:40:43 | Aelix | Yeah it uses rc4 md5 and sha looks like |
| 15:40:47 | Aelix | It has to check out a license |
| 15:40:56 | warmi | or is it a fixed point math .. trying to figure out .. |
| 15:40:57 | warmi | asm ("mulhdu%0,%1,%2" |
| 15:41:11 | Aelix | Guess no DES |
| 15:41:11 | warmi | this is ASM for PPC ... I know nothing about PPC |
| 15:41:19 | Aelix | ASM in rdesktop or openssl? |
| 15:41:25 | warmi | yeah |
| 15:41:38 | warmi | bn_lcl.h uses it |
| 15:41:48 | warmi | but it seems to be optional |
| 15:42:10 | Aelix | It compiled on lots of different architectures.. I doubt the ASM was used |
| 15:42:10 | warmi | anyway, will have to compile it on my Linux box at home and see what it does exactly |
| 15:42:21 | Aelix | I got it working under linux, solaris, and hpux and IRIX |
| 15:42:57 | warmi | it does use ASM for PPC and ALPHA architectures |
| 15:43:07 | warmi | bunch of defines |
| 15:43:21 | warmi | anyway, that won't be aproblem |
| 15:43:21 | Kopsis | warmi: I don't see any floating point. It's all bignum integer math for the crypto stuff. |
| 15:43:35 | warmi | yeah, that's what I thought |
| 15:43:43 | Aelix | Sounds like I started something :) |
| 15:44:00 | warmi | I just wasn't sure if this ASM for Alpha was floating point or not |
| 15:44:02 | Aelix | Your kung-fu is more powerful than I.. this would be a great app to port. |
| 15:44:16 | warmi | I have never used or even seen Alpha mnemonics |
| 15:45:03 | Aelix | Is J1 over? |
| 15:45:21 | Aelix | (javaone I mean) |
| 15:45:26 | Kopsis | The alpha stuff is greek to me too - but looking at what it's doing, it wouldn't make any sense for it to be FP |
| 15:46:20 | warmi | yeah, I know .. it is fixed |
| 15:46:38 | warmi | lot of bit shifting ... wouldn't make sense for float implementation |
| 15:47:38 | Aelix | breaks open a new package of penguin mints |
| 15:49:09 | warmi | anyone is going to look into porting it ? |
| 15:49:24 | warmi | if not then I will, but after the contest is over |
| 15:50:01 | Gique | Hello Aelix |
| 15:50:02 | Aelix | That would be awesome... would you port it as a Qt app or an X app? |
| 15:50:11 | warmi | of course as a Qt app |
| 15:50:14 | Aelix | Hello Gique |
| 15:50:20 | Aelix | :) |
| 15:50:28 | warmi | there is no sense to port it as a X app .. it is already an X ap |
| 15:50:29 | warmi | heh |
| 15:50:35 | Aelix | would give warmi a cold one if he could. |
| 15:50:56 | Aelix | True true |
| 15:51:08 | Kopsis | warmi: I'd be tempted to take a shot at it but I doubt I'd get far without a terminal server to talk to :) |
| 15:51:18 | warmi | I have one at home |
| 15:51:23 | Aelix | Cygnus has a test one you can use... |
| 15:51:24 | warmi | that's why I am considering it |
| 15:51:26 | Aelix | looks it up |
| 15:51:37 | Aelix | Citrix I mea |
| 15:51:38 | Aelix | mean |
| 15:52:01 | warmi | I have 7 machines at my place .... my wife is a computer programmer .. among them there is bound to be one Win2000 server professional |
| 15:52:04 | warmi | heh |
| 15:52:18 | ljp_work | wow a programmer, eh? cool |
| 15:52:36 | warmi | well, let just say she is a beginning computer programmes |
| 15:52:36 | kergoth | that is cool |
| 15:52:41 | warmi | still doing their CS |
| 15:52:52 | ljp_work | still... |
| 15:52:52 | warmi | her CS |
| 15:52:54 | kergoth | still. my girl doesnt even like computers. my opposite |
| 15:52:57 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:53:04 | warmi | sometimes it is a blessing, you know .. |
| 15:53:15 | ljp_work | all the women I know can't even find the Start Menu |
| 15:53:20 | kergoth | hah |
| 15:53:20 | ljp_work | :D |
| 15:53:27 | warmi | sometimes I am so fucking tired of it all and she starts complaining who sucky Swing can be .... |
| 15:53:40 | kergoth | my girl can use windows to use trillian or play dungeonkeeper 2. thats about it |
| 15:53:48 | warmi | heh |
| 15:54:27 | warmi | anyway, at least she doesn't complain I spend too much time with my computers |
| 15:54:30 | ljp_work | I only have a cat that uses my keyboard as a pillow |
| 15:54:32 | warmi | that's a big one |
| 15:54:39 | kergoth | warmi: hehe. that'd be nice |
| 15:54:56 | kergoth | argh |
| 15:55:11 | kergoth | thrashes his build environment |
| 15:56:28 | Aelix | Do any other theKompany developers hang out here besides BigBoss? |
| 15:56:38 | kergoth | yes |
| 15:56:42 | warmi | yeah, catalin |
| 15:56:44 | kergoth | catalin works for them |
| 15:57:04 | kergoth | max drops by once in a while |
| 15:57:05 | warmi | and msmax |
| 15:57:07 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:57:10 | kergoth | theres an echo |
| 15:57:16 | warmi | heh |
| 15:57:24 | Aelix | Heh yeah I want to bug them out implementing groupchat in tkcJabber |
| 15:57:35 | Aelix | s/out/about/g |
| 15:58:51 | kergoth | Aelix: i'd bug bigboss, since he likely controls how his developer resources are allocated.. rather than the developers themselves |
| 15:59:08 | Aelix | Oh sure |
| 15:59:12 | twiun | Talking of BigBoss.... he needs to give his web developer a good whipping |
| 15:59:18 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:59:25 | twiun | that site STILL isn't updated |
| 16:00:31 | Aelix | I can't get the IRC client in tkcJabber to work either |
| 16:01:20 | msmax | alex: what irc server you try use? |
| 16:01:26 | Aelix | irc.openprojects.net |
| 16:01:34 | warmi | what else ... |
| 16:01:38 | warmi | hheeh |
| 16:01:38 | Aelix | irc.kde.org |
| 16:01:41 | kergoth | hey msmax, how are ya |
| 16:01:50 | msmax | alex: yes, i know about this trouble... i am working on fix it |
| 16:01:51 | Aelix | gues that's the same thing |
| 16:02:10 | Aelix | Cool |
| 16:02:12 | warmi | msmax: where are you located ? |
| 16:02:35 | msmax | but irc-transport not our software.. and i must do some research before i can understand it |
| 16:02:43 | whardier | well now |
| 16:02:46 | msmax | warmi: Moscow/Russia |
| 16:02:54 | whardier | I just captures quite a few passwords from POP/SMTP traffic |
| 16:03:09 | whardier | looks like I will be switching to Secure pop and smtp |
| 16:03:10 | warmi | ehehe .. mmsmax: I know where Moscow is :-) |
| 16:03:10 | whardier | :P |
| 16:03:41 | Aelix | whardier: IMAP/SSL is a good way to go :) |
| 16:04:03 | warmi | or may I suggest ... Exchange ? |
| 16:04:07 | warmi | huh ..jk |
| 16:04:17 | whardier | eh? |
| 16:04:19 | whardier | you bastard |
| 16:04:28 | warmi | lol |
| 16:04:45 | whardier | this is so wrong |
| 16:04:46 | whardier | augh |
| 16:04:53 | whardier | I have been wasting my life w/o this tool! |
| 16:04:59 | kergoth | whardier: so much shit in oz is broken man. ncurses fails now. half the shit was linking against the glibc out in /opt/Embedix rather than the glibc we just built |
| 16:05:03 | kergoth | whardier: lol |
| 16:05:20 | whardier | doh |
| 16:05:22 | whardier | what the hell |
| 16:05:32 | msmax | Aelix: irc.sexnet.org still work with tkcJabber ;) |
| 16:05:36 | kergoth | sudo dpkg --purge glibc-arm; rm -rf build/; make openzaurus; = boom |
| 16:05:50 | Aelix | msmax: Don't think I should connect to that from work |
| 16:05:53 | Aelix | ::) |
| 16:06:19 | whardier | I need to get kismet workong on the Zaurus |
| 16:06:42 | whardier | maybe I should find out what 1.11 is up too |
| 16:07:06 | Aelix | msmax: Do you know if there any plans for groupchat in tkcJabber? |
| 16:07:09 | msmax | Aelix: some IRC server do update his software in last time.... and tkcJabber cannot work with it more... how i sayd, we work on fix it |
| 16:07:28 | whardier | err 1.13 |
| 16:07:29 | whardier | wow |
| 16:07:31 | msmax | Aelix: why you need groupchat if you can use IRC? |
| 16:07:41 | Aelix | They are not the same are they? |
| 16:07:51 | Aelix | We use the groupchat feature at work. |
| 16:07:56 | Aelix | Using gabber on linux |
| 16:08:48 | msmax | Aelix: what different between grouchat and IRC chat for you? why you cannot use any group in any irc server? |
| 16:09:17 | msmax | Aelix: for groupchat i mean |
| 16:09:53 | Aelix | we have a jabber server not an IRC server |
| 16:10:14 | kergoth | stupid ncurses build doesnt give me an easy way to override the link flags |
| 16:10:17 | kergoth | grr |
| 16:11:02 | msmax | Aelix: ok, understand... i add it to my todo |
| 16:11:07 | Aelix | Great :) |
| 16:11:44 | Aelix | Once that is working I know 3 other people who will purchase tkcJabber :) |
| 16:12:05 | Gique | indeed! |
| 16:13:47 | Aelix | goes back to working on getting Myrinet working on his cluster |
| 16:14:03 | kergoth | whats the paramter to pass a value to ld from a gcc cmdline? |
| 16:14:07 | kergoth | man gcc |
| 16:31:29 | whardier | flashes 1.13 onto his pda |
| 16:31:43 | whardier | I just want kismet to work.. :) |
| 16:45:14 | gillus | hi all, received the zaurus yesterday ! |
| 16:46:52 | gillus | does domeone know how to mount a compact flash (in a pcmcia adaptor) with a kernel 2.4.9 (redhat7.1) ? |
| 16:47:29 | kerny | Will buy.com sell the SL-5500? |
| 16:47:54 | gillus | I can't get it to work. I've modprobed ide-cs, what else do I need ? |
| 16:49:43 | whardier | well |
| 16:49:46 | whardier | 1.13 is amuzing |
| 16:49:58 | whardier | about the only thing I can do with it.. is use it as a pda |
| 16:50:11 | ljp_work | well. duh |
| 16:50:27 | whardier | anybody know wher eI can get libz |
| 16:50:32 | ljp_work | what'd you want an admin machine? |
| 16:50:45 | whardier | well |
| 16:50:50 | whardier | I am used to being able to do stuff with it |
| 16:50:55 | ljp_work | zaurus.sourceforge.net |
| 16:51:18 | ljp_work | heheheh .. I'm sure OZ will be better for that |
| 16:51:41 | whardier | well |
| 16:51:42 | whardier | yeah |
| 16:51:52 | whardier | about the only benefit so far to loading 1.13 |
| 16:51:57 | whardier | is that my wireless set up real neat |
| 16:52:56 | Aelix | Has anyone been able to sync in linux yet? |
| 16:53:08 | ljp_work | one of these days, I'm going to make my own custom initrd.bin |
| 16:53:35 | twiun | Aelix: still haven't been able to download it yet |
| 16:53:42 | ljp_work | without crap I don't need/use.. |
| 16:53:47 | Aelix | Download what? |
| 16:53:57 | ljp_work | linux sync no workie here |
| 16:54:06 | twiun | qtopia desktop for linux |
| 16:54:11 | Aelix | What is a good way to make an image of the system then? As a backup? |
| 16:54:16 | twiun | ftp site is always too busy |
| 16:54:30 | whardier | rrsync |
| 16:54:31 | Aelix | I already killed it once installing a bad ipkg.. and that was before I customized the hell out of it. |
| 16:54:58 | whardier | wtf is libz in |
| 16:55:08 | Aelix | Can't use dd if=/dev/rom or whatever? |
| 16:55:24 | whardier | oh |
| 16:55:24 | whardier | heh |
| 16:55:26 | whardier | http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/zaurus/zlib_1.1.2_arm.ipk |
| 16:57:56 | Aelix | Does openzaurus have the backlight control and all that stuff? |
| 16:58:28 | ljp_work | twiun: try an ftp client or start at the root dir |
| 16:59:00 | ljp_work | OZ3 will contain Opie |
| 16:59:03 | twiun | ljp: will do when I get home |
| 17:04:01 | whardier | sweet |
| 17:04:06 | whardier | I have kismet on my PDA |
| 17:05:26 | peanut | yawns.. |
| 17:05:34 | peanut | i had a dream last night.. |
| 17:05:35 | peanut | the Z tanked |
| 17:09:20 | peanut | ne1 here? |
| 17:10:47 | peanut | very odd.. |
| 17:10:47 | peanut | trolltech removed qtopiadesktop.tgz |
| 17:10:47 | | jperlow-sharp was last seen on #zaurus 5 days, 18 hours, 8 minutes and 7 seconds ago, saying: kergoth: oz3 is based on debian? [Fri Mar 22 23:02:40 2002] |
| 17:10:47 | peanut | ibot seen jperlow-sharp |
| 17:10:59 | peanut | ouch.. major lag.. |
| 17:12:32 | peanut | anyone around? |
| 17:13:24 | zecke | yeah |
| 17:13:37 | twiun | Yer |
| 17:13:47 | peanut | what do you think about trolltech removing qtopiadeskop? |
| 17:13:56 | twiun | They're removing it? |
| 17:13:59 | peanut | thinks the Z might tank.. |
| 17:14:04 | peanut | its no longer available for downloading. |
| 17:14:12 | peanut | qtopiadesktop for linux that is |
| 17:14:16 | twiun | not even on the ftp site? |
| 17:14:21 | peanut | nope.. gone.. |
| 17:14:24 | zecke | peanut: it'll be reworked. Sharp forced them to |
| 17:14:37 | peanut | what makes you think that? |
| 17:14:38 | zecke | peanut: there was trouble on the CeBit |
| 17:14:59 | zecke | peanut: trolltech developers sent people asking for Linux syncing to the KDE booth |
| 17:15:17 | zecke | peanut: then they got some issues with Sharp and stopped doing it |
| 17:15:48 | peanut | still.. why would they remove it? |
| 17:15:52 | peanut | doesn't make sense.. |
| 17:15:59 | zecke | peanut: cause it's broken? |
| 17:16:04 | peanut | it worked for me. |
| 17:16:29 | zecke | peanut: they'll come with something better. AFAIK |
| 17:16:43 | peanuts | yeah.. but when.. when my 50 is worth 10 dollars :) |
| 17:16:50 | peanuts | ie april 12th |
| 17:17:22 | zecke | I need to reboot |
| 17:17:23 | zecke | cu |
| 17:17:57 | treke | is beginning to think the Z is dead also |
| 17:18:19 | peanuts | its kind of sad.. |
| 17:18:50 | peanuts | it will come to rest next to my other linux pda, the cursed agenda |
| 17:19:17 | treke | I dont see any reason to stop using Qtopia, it meets my needs on my iPaq |
| 17:19:33 | peanuts | yes, qtopia will probably survice.. |
| 17:19:38 | peanuts | survive even |
| 17:19:44 | peanuts | however, i have doubts about the hardware |
| 17:20:08 | treke | Whats wrong with the hardware? |
| 17:20:09 | whardier | way back in the dark ages |
| 17:20:12 | whardier | near dos |
| 17:20:20 | whardier | some dude made a soundcard networking driver |
| 17:20:31 | whardier | for full dupex sound cards |
| 17:20:39 | whardier | I forget what rates he acheived |
| 17:20:41 | whardier | but man |
| 17:20:52 | whardier | it would be really cool to tie that in with a voice modem |
| 17:21:08 | whardier | and then hook my non data capable cell phone up to my zaurus |
| 17:21:22 | whardier | cause I have unlimited minutes on my cell phone |
| 17:21:34 | peanuts | so informal poll... |
| 17:21:41 | whardier | eats peanut |
| 17:21:43 | peanuts | do you think the Z will thrive or simply die |
| 17:21:49 | NeoTron | I got SDLRoids to run on my Zaurus yesterday. Using SDL |
| 17:21:50 | whardier | there are lots of competators |
| 17:22:01 | whardier | I am really interested in sharp mobile |
| 17:22:03 | twiun | Neotron: X or qtopia? |
| 17:22:06 | NeoTron | qtopia |
| 17:22:06 | whardier | I think that will be the life of it |
| 17:22:12 | peanuts | is interested in sharp mobile |
| 17:22:23 | twiun | cheers NeoTron on! |
| 17:22:32 | whardier | X |
| 17:22:36 | NeoTron | but doing so I quickly realized it's NOT ready for release. :P |
| 17:22:48 | twiun | Drat ;-) bugs? |
| 17:22:53 | NeoTron | it can be described as "flaky" at best |
| 17:23:03 | whardier | heh |
| 17:23:17 | twiun | Is that because of qtopia or hidden problems in the sdlroids code? |
| 17:23:30 | NeoTron | because of my Qtopia code for SDL. :P |
| 17:23:35 | twiun | Ahhhhhh |
| 17:23:37 | NeoTron | my driver isn't exactly ready |
| 17:23:42 | whardier | how is that coming along? |
| 17:24:01 | NeoTron | well, as I said, just compiled and ran it yesterday |
| 17:24:10 | NeoTron | and it worked but with issues (TM) |
| 17:24:14 | whardier | haha |
| 17:25:07 | NeoTron | I have some things to do and it should work _better_ although not great |
| 17:25:13 | NeoTron | anyhow, heading to work |
| 17:25:38 | twiun | What's the performance like? |
| 17:26:13 | NeoTron | with QDirectPainter, it's pretty deced |
| 17:26:15 | NeoTron | decent even |
| 17:26:17 | peanuts | is off |
| 17:26:21 | kergoth | ugh. stupid ncurses build |
| 17:26:29 | twiun | Cool ;-) can't wait for it |
| 17:26:29 | whardier | after seeing 1.13 |
| 17:26:34 | NeoTron | but I have an issue with SDL_UpdateRects (mainly, it doesn't work) so I do SDL_Flip only |
| 17:26:39 | whardier | I am more than happy to start working on OZ |
| 17:27:15 | whardier | kergoth is opie_x86 on geezer anywhere |
| 17:27:20 | NeoTron | with SDL_UpdateRects I need to keep a class global QDirectPainter which is "locked" and "unlocked" (there's an overhead in doing that and right now it's done for each rect) |
| 17:27:32 | NeoTron | is away: work |
| 17:27:57 | kergoth | whardier: /home/kergoth/buildsystem/buildroot-oz/build/opie-x86/ # current as of about an hour ago |
| 17:30:02 | fusion94 | is away: smoke break |
| 17:30:53 | whardier | err |
| 17:30:56 | whardier | how do I run it |
| 17:30:57 | whardier | heh |
| 17:31:27 | whardier | forgot what dir the bin is in |
| 17:32:38 | whardier | err |
| 17:32:41 | whardier | its not built |
| 17:32:41 | whardier | haha |
| 17:32:43 | whardier | that helps |
| 17:33:13 | kergoth | heheh |
| 17:33:26 | kergoth | whardier: got ncurses building again |
| 17:33:29 | kergoth | whardier: woot |
| 17:33:35 | whardier | I should work on wlan stuff |
| 17:33:44 | kergoth | whardier: you should help fix all the borked builds |
| 17:33:46 | kergoth | whardier: :-P |
| 17:34:10 | whardier | maybe |
| 17:34:10 | whardier | haha |
| 17:34:13 | whardier | err |
| 17:34:13 | whardier | damnit |
| 17:35:01 | whardier | source /haugh |
| 17:35:47 | kergoth | aha |
| 17:35:53 | whardier | did you commit ncurses? |
| 17:35:57 | kergoth | i love it when the receptionist puts the PA system on hold |
| 17:36:05 | whardier | haha |
| 17:36:06 | kergoth | listens to our annoying as hell marketing propoganda on the pa |
| 17:36:08 | whardier | hold music? |
| 17:36:09 | whardier | haha |
| 17:37:15 | kergoth | no ncurses isnt committed yet. had a typo in the .mk |
| 17:37:18 | kergoth | bout to |
| 17:37:41 | kergoth | whardier: carsten took over i18n in opie.. he's adding new translations all over the place. pretty nifty |
| 17:37:56 | whardier | very cool! |
| 17:38:04 | whardier | cp -a /home/kergoth/buildsystem/buildroot-oz/build . |
| 17:38:09 | whardier | I don't feel like building glibc |
| 17:38:13 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:38:14 | kergoth | k |
| 17:38:22 | whardier | its unmotivational |
| 17:38:25 | kergoth | indeed |
| 17:38:37 | whardier | anybody have any daft punk? |
| 17:38:51 | Aelix | maybe |
| 17:38:51 | whardier | I have this wicked divx of the Daft Punk AeroDynamic video |
| 17:38:52 | kergoth | i have a shitload on mp3 cds at home |
| 17:38:56 | kergoth | nice |
| 17:39:13 | kergoth | i love the videos for their current cd.. i want the entire thing, in sequence, on dvd |
| 17:39:13 | whardier | err |
| 17:39:14 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:39:29 | whardier | cp: cannot open `/home/kergoth/buildsystem/buildroot-oz/build/glibc-2.2.4/sysdeps/generic/sys/socketvar.h' for reading: Permission denied |
| 17:39:29 | whardier | cp: cannot open `/home/kergoth/buildsystem/buildroot-oz/build/glibc-2.2.4/sysdeps/gnu/getutmpx.c' for reading: Permission denied |
| 17:39:31 | whardier | futz |
| 17:39:32 | kergoth | whardier: k, fixed ncurses is built |
| 17:39:34 | kergoth | er |
| 17:39:36 | kergoth | odd |
| 17:39:37 | kergoth | hold |
| 17:40:33 | kergoth | cd build; find ./ -type d|xargs chmod o+rx && find ./ -type f|xargs chmod o+r; # hehe |
| 17:40:54 | kergoth | whardier: try again |
| 17:41:00 | whardier | haha |
| 17:41:03 | whardier | you are a sick man |
| 17:41:45 | kergoth | no shit :-) |
| 17:42:54 | kergoth | whardier: zImage in there is built from the 1.13 kernel sources. i'm curious to see if it actually works |
| 17:42:56 | kergoth | whardier: heh |
| 17:43:05 | whardier | ah |
| 17:43:06 | whardier | no shit |
| 17:43:18 | whardier | why not just flash it over a current 3.0 initrd? |
| 17:43:29 | whardier | err.. nm.. fstab |
| 17:43:33 | whardier | and devices |
| 17:43:35 | whardier | right? |
| 17:43:50 | kergoth | nah. i THINK i got the 1.13 source using the new mtd partitioning |
| 17:43:55 | kergoth | so it should work out of the box |
| 17:45:05 | kergoth | fixes net-tools |
| 17:46:17 | kergoth | fixes nano |
| 17:46:37 | fusion94 | morning |
| 17:46:50 | kergoth | whardier: just needed to add -L$(TARGET_DIR)/lib -nostartfiles -lc $(TARGET_DIR)/lib/crti.o $(TARGET_DIR)/lib/crt1.o to LDFLAGS accross the board |
| 17:46:51 | kergoth | hey fusion94 |
| 17:46:54 | kergoth | how goes it? |
| 17:46:59 | fusion94 | aight |
| 17:47:13 | fusion94 | thank god i'm not going to javaone today |
| 17:47:41 | whardier | jisms to daft punk aerodynamic |
| 17:47:46 | kergoth | fusion94: that bad? |
| 17:47:47 | kergoth | whardier: hah |
| 17:48:13 | whardier | I think I will never go limp again |
| 17:48:20 | whardier | this is truly enlightening music |
| 17:48:36 | kergoth | whardier: yeah, it is |
| 17:48:46 | whardier | I am going to get the largest stero system in the world.. and just play the guitar solo in aerodynamic all over town |
| 17:48:47 | whardier | haha |
| 17:48:51 | fusion94 | kergoth: i just hate trade shows and there's nothing that interesting at JavaOne other than the Zaurus |
| 17:48:52 | kergoth | hah |
| 17:48:55 | whardier | it will be as enlightening as bill and ted in the future |
| 17:49:19 | kergoth | fusion94: ah, i see. |
| 17:49:27 | kergoth | ugh. whardier: they changed mtd snapshots again |
| 17:49:30 | whardier | I sorta wish I could go limp now.. not enouggh blood in the brain |
| 17:50:10 | fusion94 | which went over really well |
| 17:50:21 | whardier | haha |
| 17:50:29 | fusion94 | sharp sold every 5000 they had in a day and a half or so |
| 17:50:34 | whardier | kergoth they keep killing the old ones |
| 17:50:34 | fusion94 | i didn't even get one |
| 17:50:37 | fusion94 | bastards |
| 17:54:38 | NoNickIII | Hello, I want to buy the Zaurus and would like to know if i can run linux programms on it. what would i have to do (i am a windows user) |
| 17:55:15 | NoNickIII | Programms like LICQ what comes with suse linux for example |
| 17:56:42 | warmi | NoNickIII: lot of these programs are being ported to the Zaurus |
| 17:57:29 | warmi | you cannot run Linux programs directly on the Z |
| 17:57:55 | warmi | I mean you cannot run X Windows programs directly on Z |
| 17:58:18 | NoNickIII | do i have to port them myself or can i download ported programms to windows and send them from windows the Z ? |
| 17:58:37 | warmi | for what's available right now ( and there a lot more being worked on) check :http://www.handango.com/sharp/ |
| 18:07:29 | NoNickIII | can i watch divx movies on Z somehow? |
| 18:07:51 | tux_mike | sure, if you write a codec |
| 18:12:33 | zecke | how do I setup a usbnet connection from Linux to my Zaurus? |
| 18:13:39 | kergoth | zecke: what rom version? |
| 18:14:08 | gillus | zecke: good question, this what i am trying to do right now :) |
| 18:14:40 | gillus | kergoth: 1.12 |
| 18:15:05 | gillus | kergoth: and my desktop is a 2.5.9 |
| 18:15:15 | gillus | sorry 2.4.9 |
| 18:15:43 | kergoth | gillus: you'll need to patch the kernel to add the usbdnet driver.. then load that |
| 18:15:56 | kergoth | gillus: see the usb networking howto |
| 18:16:09 | kergoth | gillus: linked to off the sharp dev site (http://more.sbc.co.jp/slj/index.asp) |
| 18:16:48 | gillus | kergoth: well I have a CDCEther module, but it doesn't work, I am currently compiling a kernel. |
| 18:16:54 | kergoth | gillus: cdcether wont work |
| 18:17:05 | kergoth | gillus: cdcether is from the OLD howto, which is for 1.02 and below romimages |
| 18:17:32 | gillus | oh ! I found this on the zauruszone site. |
| 18:17:42 | gillus | have to use usbnet I guess. |
| 18:19:21 | kergoth | no |
| 18:19:25 | kergoth | usbdnet, not usbnet |
| 18:19:38 | kergoth | gillus: read the current faq on ruault.com |
| 18:21:53 | gillus | kergoth: Thanks, the link on zauruszone is completly outdated ! |
| 18:22:13 | kergoth | gillus: indeed it is.. |
| 18:22:30 | Shunt | zauruszone works? :P |
| 18:23:01 | Neo|Away | morning |
| 18:23:24 | kergoth | hey Neo |
| 18:23:44 | Neo|Work | hey, I uploaded a ipk with top to ZZ |
| 18:25:24 | kergoth | nice |
| 18:26:56 | Neo|Work | I reverted to a standard 1.12 rom yesterday because I need a stable unit for the contest. |
| 18:27:03 | Neo|Work | to be exact, I need anohter Zaurus. ;-) |
| 18:27:49 | Shunt | didn't someone port parts of koffice to the Z? |
| 18:29:32 | MEGASTeP | is back (gone 13:59:58) |
| 18:32:19 | kergoth | Neo|Work: thatd be nice. heh |
| 18:33:06 | Neo|Work | one stable and one I can play with |
| 18:33:10 | Neo|Work | an ipaq would be nice too. |
| 18:33:15 | Neo|Work | so, who'll get me them? :-) |
| 18:33:25 | LordI | anyone know which fry's has the 5500 ... because i called a few and they never heard of them |
| 18:33:44 | tux_mike | NeoTron: if you give me your credit card number, i'll get one for you :) |
| 18:33:49 | kergoth | hah |
| 18:33:51 | Neo|Work | hah. :P |
| 18:34:28 | tux_mike | minus well treat myself to one at the same time :) |
| 18:34:57 | tux_mike | gah! no! they want to increase the tolls here from 40 cents to 75! >< |
| 18:35:30 | tux_mike | those things were supposed to go away |
| 18:35:32 | LordI | lol |
| 18:35:56 | kergoth | whardier: fixed everything oz needs to build. should build now |
| 18:37:26 | Neo|Work | how long is that darn JavaOne anyway? |
| 18:37:30 | kergoth | whardier: ack, nevermind |
| 18:37:41 | tux_mike | kergoth: what's broke? |
| 18:37:59 | kergoth | tux_mike: a shitload of the links were linking against my glibc libs in /opt/Embedix instead of the glibc that i had built for OZ |
| 18:38:07 | kergoth | tux_mike: i fixed them all though |
| 18:38:13 | tux_mike | ah |
| 18:39:13 | kergoth | bzflag found them.. |
| 18:41:30 | tux_mike | damnit. i just found more bugs in my addressbook |
| 18:41:39 | kergoth | tux_mike: ah that sucks |
| 18:44:08 | Neo|Work | anyone play progress quest here? |
| 18:44:16 | tux_mike | never heard of it |
| 18:44:42 | Neo|Work | windows only unfortunately |
| 18:44:55 | Neo|Work | basically all you do is to run an application which, well, waits |
| 18:45:12 | tux_mike | and? |
| 18:45:15 | Neo|Work | it's like all these CPU using things like SETI except that the only used resource is time |
| 18:45:24 | Neo|Work | and you gain levels etc. :P |
| 18:45:31 | Neo|Work | http://www.progressquest.com/ |
| 18:45:35 | Neo|Work | it is COMPLETELY pointless |
| 18:45:46 | Neo|Work | but I'm level 55. ;-) |
| 18:45:48 | kergoth | lol |
| 18:45:51 | Neo|Work | http://www.progressquest.com/hi.php?name=Slater |
| 18:46:30 | tux_mike | so if you just leave it on? |
| 18:46:37 | tux_mike | you go up in level? |
| 18:47:13 | kergoth | ugh |
| 18:47:18 | kergoth | i forgot to commit the pcmcia-cs patch to cvs |
| 18:47:20 | kergoth | doh |
| 18:47:28 | Neo|Work | tux_mike: exactly |
| 18:48:02 | tux_mike | can you do stuff while it's running? |
| 18:48:44 | Neo|Work | you can look at it. :P |
| 18:48:55 | Neo|Work | basically, it's a non-interactive "game" |
| 18:48:56 | Neo|Work | heh |
| 18:49:07 | tux_mike | well, can you do other stuff, or does it stop counting if it looses focus? |
| 18:51:21 | Neo|Work | nah, it just sits there |
| 18:51:30 | Neo|Work | you don't have to do anything and can do whatever else. :P |
| 18:51:40 | tux_mike | that's pointless |
| 18:51:49 | Neo|Work | yes |
| 18:51:57 | Neo|Work | as I said. ;-) |
| 18:52:05 | Neo|Work | but my Windows box just sits here anyway |
| 18:52:12 | Neo|Work | so it might as well do some executing |
| 18:54:02 | tux_mike | you could do seti at home |
| 18:54:13 | tux_mike | or the rsa challenge |
| 18:54:56 | tux_mike | hrm... next i think i'll do the japanese input |
| 18:55:48 | whardier | http://www.linuks.mine.nu/porn-get/ <- should go in OZ |
| 18:56:15 | tux_mike | lol |
| 18:57:19 | Neo|Work | I don't have a whole lot of CPU |
| 18:57:23 | Neo|Work | just a PIII-500 |
| 18:59:31 | treke | port it to the Z :) |
| 19:00:12 | tux_mike | where is the tar file for the /home ram disk? |
| 19:01:39 | roge99 | tux i think its roots home .home.tar or somting like that |
| 19:01:45 | roge99 | its hidden |
| 19:05:25 | roge99 | tux_mike: yea -- when you mount the initrd.bin fs its under root/.home_default.tar |
| 19:06:05 | max77k | ping |
| 19:06:11 | | wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! |
| 19:06:11 | NetAmp | ibot: pong |
| 19:12:29 | kergoth | whardier: i think i got the pcmcia-cs build fixed. committed the change |
| 19:19:41 | d4n | hi |
| 19:19:48 | NetAmp | hiya |
| 19:20:02 | d4n | how can i import my mozilla address book to the zaurus? |
| 19:20:06 | Twiun | Yo |
| 19:22:53 | d4n | no on ehere |
| 19:22:58 | d4n | on = one |
| 19:23:06 | NetAmp | well |
| 19:23:08 | tux_mike | no one ehere? |
| 19:23:18 | NetAmp | they're all busy with their toys :P |
| 19:24:51 | d4n | :) |
| 19:24:56 | d4n | can you help me |
| 19:25:35 | tux_mike | what's wrong? |
| 19:25:44 | NetAmp | not me, no Z here :( |
| 19:26:04 | NetAmp | In what kind of format is the Mozilla address book? |
| 19:26:19 | NetAmp | Maybe you can use Opera on the desktop pc to convert it |
| 19:26:25 | NetAmp | or write a script... |
| 19:27:41 | d4n | which format is good to import to Z |
| 19:28:23 | tux_mike | the z's address book is in a odd-xml format |
| 19:28:40 | tux_mike | make a few fake entries and go into Applications/addressbook.xml |
| 19:28:43 | d4n | aha |
| 19:30:26 | NetAmp | ow duh I was thinking about the favorites ;-) |
| 19:30:29 | NetAmp | heh |
| 19:30:41 | NetAmp | but still... script it ;) |
| 19:35:50 | tux_mike | time to make my japanese flash card files :) |
| 19:36:48 | henrik | is there any news regarding the constest? I haven't gotten my beta Z, so unless TT extend the deadline i'm out. :( |
| 19:37:31 | tux_mike | henrik: i can test for you |
| 19:39:28 | treke | compiles his shitty app |
| 19:39:39 | treke | maybe if I'm the only submitter, I'll win the 10 grand :) |
| 19:39:39 | henrik | tux_mike: Thanks, but i'm not at not home right now. |
| 19:40:05 | tux_mike | henrik: i should be here most of the day and most of the eve. if you need someone to test, give me a buzz |
| 19:40:19 | tux_mike | i dont want anyone out of the contest :) |
| 19:40:31 | tux_mike | zeck: what was your app again? |
| 19:40:32 | henrik | tux_mike: thanks. appreciate it. |
| 19:40:38 | tux_mike | no prob |
| 19:40:45 | warmi | henrik: I don't have mine either |
| 19:41:04 | henrik | warmi: have you mailed TT? |
| 19:41:20 | warmi | I am supposed to get one from Sharp US ( since I am in US) |
| 19:41:26 | warmi | trolls washed their hands |
| 19:41:43 | warmi | but I do have phone number to people who send this stuff out in US ... |
| 19:41:48 | warmi | I will call them today |
| 19:42:15 | tux_mike | warmi: if you need test, lemme know |
| 19:42:17 | henrik | well.. i think we should ask them to extend the deadline (yes, once again).. |
| 19:42:41 | Kopsis | warmi: If that works, I'd *really* like to get that phone number! I'm still waiting on my Z too. |
| 19:43:02 | henrik | and i thought i was alone.. |
| 19:43:02 | tux_mike | i'm still waiting on my Z too! :) |
| 19:43:22 | warmi | tux_mike: well, thanks but I would rather do it myself ( becuse most likely it will involve multilple compile/debug/install sesions and I don't wanna burden people) |
| 19:43:23 | tux_mike | waiting on it to charge :) |
| 19:43:42 | warmi | henrik: do you even monitor qpe-dev lists ? |
| 19:44:01 | tux_mike | warmi: usually, it's not too different from doing it on the qvfb on the desktop. i've noticed very little changes |
| 19:44:11 | henrik | warmi: nope. what do they say there? |
| 19:44:27 | warmi | http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=7108 |
| 19:44:33 | warmi | check it out yourself |
| 19:44:43 | tux_mike | hrm... i should get vnc and let you vnc ino my z :) |
| 19:44:51 | warmi | well, if they don't extend the contest and my Z doesn't arrive I am just gonna drop out |
| 19:45:05 | henrik | warmi: likewise. |
| 19:45:15 | warmi | and just go and buy 5500 for myself |
| 19:45:50 | henrik | I won't even do that :) i'll just play with the 5000 i'll hopefully get sometime :) |
| 19:46:04 | warmi | I understand Trolls don't handle this stuff anymore but at least they could have provided us with some tracking numers or something |
| 19:46:38 | warmi | I mean, it would take a lot of burden from them since we would be able tro track and eventually bitch at shipping companies ourselves |
| 19:47:03 | henrik | exactly.. a bit more info from them would have been extremely helpful. nothing more than status updates once in a while really. |
| 19:47:13 | warmi | henrik: read that email titled "NO NO NO! Zaurus delivery" from Ben Hui |
| 19:47:19 | warmi | a good one :-) |
| 19:47:55 | henrik | hehe. yep. |
| 19:48:10 | warmi | in your case it is a bit different ... |
| 19:48:11 | Shunt | Sharp has no idea what they're doing with the Z do they? |
| 19:48:41 | warmi | international shipments are handled directly by Trolls so you should be able to get something directly from Trolls |
| 19:48:57 | warmi | Shunt: hehe |
| 19:49:03 | warmi | it is a big corporation |
| 19:49:04 | henrik | warmi: i've mailed 'em.. twice. No reply so far. |
| 19:49:41 | warmi | who did you email ?? contest@trolltech.com |
| 19:49:53 | Shunt | warmi: There are plenty of big corporations out there. Some of them manage to be responsive and communicate with their customers. :) |
| 19:50:12 | warmi | Shunt: well, that is true .... |
| 19:50:15 | henrik | contest-info, yeah. cc:ed to aron@troll also |
| 19:50:20 | codemnky | hello |
| 19:50:26 | kergoth`lunch | codemnky: hey.. |
| 19:50:41 | codemnky | need help with simple unix command |
| 19:50:43 | codemnky | :( |
| 19:50:44 | warmi | http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=588802&forum_id=7108 |
| 19:50:55 | kergoth | codemnky: k, ask away |
| 19:50:56 | warmi | this email is sort-of an answer to your email |
| 19:51:05 | codemnky | how can i found out what dirs or files link to a certain file |
| 19:51:16 | codemnky | for example |
| 19:51:27 | codemnky | i know someone has a sym link to /mnt/dir |
| 19:51:33 | codemnky | but i don;t know where |
| 19:52:04 | kergoth | codemnky: heh. afaik, theres no way to get a reverse map of that. you could script it, but itd take a long ass time for the script to run |
| 19:52:15 | kergoth | codemnky: i dont know of any easy way |
| 19:52:36 | codemnky | hmm i heard it was possible to see what inodes link to an inode3 |
| 19:52:38 | codemnky | -3 |
| 19:52:52 | codemnky | maybe i had too many beers that night |
| 19:53:04 | codemnky | i mean the revese |
| 19:53:12 | henrik | warmi: anyone else at trolltech i should bitch at? :) |
| 19:53:33 | kergoth | codemnky: thats possible, afaik, but thats hard links, not soft links |
| 19:53:36 | kergoth | codemnky: :-) |
| 19:53:58 | codemnky | hmm |
| 19:53:59 | codemnky | ok |
| 19:54:10 | Aelix | isn't there an embedded kinkatta port somewhere? |
| 19:54:14 | kergoth | Aelix: yes |
| 19:54:18 | kergoth | Aelix: kinkattalite |
| 19:54:23 | kergoth | Aelix: icefox ported it |
| 19:54:35 | Aelix | I don't see it on sourceforge |
| 19:54:35 | Shunt | Where? |
| 19:56:00 | treke | http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/kinkatta/kinkattalite_0.9.3_arm.ipk |
| 19:56:04 | treke | It doesnt work though |
| 19:56:05 | roge99 | sup codemnky |
| 19:57:04 | codemnky | hey |
| 19:57:09 | Shunt | treke: What's wrong with it? |
| 19:57:10 | codemnky | nothing |
| 19:57:31 | treke | Shunt : AOL changed something that prevented logins |
| 19:58:29 | Shunt | treke: Probably part of the ongoing trillian battle. |
| 19:58:48 | treke | odd, trillian uses a different protocal |
| 19:59:43 | treke | eh whateva :) |
| 20:00:05 | warmi | henrik: I have no idea man ..... I am frustrated like hell myself :-) |
| 20:04:02 | Aelix | kinkattalite works fine for me |
| 20:05:05 | porto | have anyone here to emulate a üalm a palm rom ? |
| 20:05:07 | treke | hmm |
| 20:05:14 | kergoth | porto: ? |
| 20:05:35 | porto | well i ask if anyone here have a palm |
| 20:05:42 | whardier | me! |
| 20:05:46 | whardier | I have 2 |
| 20:05:49 | whardier | Harry and Sally |
| 20:05:51 | whardier | I call em |
| 20:06:14 | porto | whardier have you a rom ? i want emulate it in my pc but i need a rom ! |
| 20:06:14 | whardier | sometimes there is a third palm in the mix if I am lucky |
| 20:06:22 | whardier | porto: sadly no |
| 20:06:27 | whardier | my pose days are dead |
| 20:06:31 | whardier | err.. wait |
| 20:06:39 | porto | ok thx |
| 20:06:48 | Twiun | porto: I believe that palm provide roms on their developer website |
| 20:07:04 | Neo|Work | is away: I'm busy |
| 20:07:17 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 00:00:01) |
| 20:07:20 | whardier | http://vash.umgllc.net/PalmOS_4.0_IIIx.rom |
| 20:07:29 | whardier | oops |
| 20:07:37 | porto | not found |
| 20:08:02 | whardier | http://www.bogomip.com/PalmOS_4.0_IIIx.rom |
| 20:08:15 | kergoth | whardier: ack. 1.13 + mtd partitioning doesnt work |
| 20:08:22 | kergoth | whardier: it still uses mtdrom, for some reason |
| 20:08:28 | whardier | http://www.bogomip.com/PalmOS_4.0_V.rom |
| 20:08:36 | kergoth | whardier: how annoying |
| 20:08:40 | whardier | is using mtdram a stupid thing? |
| 20:08:50 | whardier | I never knew the difference |
| 20:08:54 | kergoth | whardier:i said mtdrom |
| 20:09:01 | kergoth | whardier: collie-jffs2 patch changed mtd drivers |
| 20:09:01 | whardier | heh |
| 20:09:06 | kergoth | whardier: so that partitioning would work |
| 20:09:06 | whardier | well excuse the fuck out of me |
| 20:09:13 | kergoth | whardier: which is how we ended up with mtdblock4 as root |
| 20:09:15 | whardier | is using mtdrom a stupid thing? |
| 20:09:15 | kergoth | whardier: heh |
| 20:09:25 | d4n | someone from germany |
| 20:09:27 | porto | this site not exist |
| 20:09:28 | kergoth | whardier: no.. i just hope mtdblock0 is writable |
| 20:09:39 | whardier | gotcha |
| 20:09:45 | whardier | why are we using their kernel |
| 20:09:48 | whardier | or did you get patches? |
| 20:09:48 | kergoth | whardier: because he added that at the same time |
| 20:09:51 | kergoth | whardier: we need compatibility |
| 20:09:56 | kergoth | whardier: i grabbed the latest 1.1x patch |
| 20:10:03 | whardier | hmm |
| 20:10:10 | whardier | did you enable iptables? |
| 20:10:18 | kergoth | whardier: i'm using our standard linux.config |
| 20:10:19 | whardier | or is it stock am? |
| 20:10:25 | whardier | ok so iptables is in it |
| 20:10:25 | whardier | :P |
| 20:10:38 | whardier | you recompiling with a new root? |
| 20:10:45 | kergoth | ? |
| 20:10:58 | whardier | are you changing the root= in the linux config to see if it works at all? |
| 20:11:09 | kergoth | whardier: yeah |
| 20:11:16 | d4n | someone from germany |
| 20:11:31 | kergoth | whardier: i suppose i could just look at the code.. heh |
| 20:11:51 | whardier | go.fig |
| 20:15:15 | RedBlur | does anyone have the essential console utilites package |
| 20:15:27 | RedBlur | everywhere I see it the link is broken |
| 20:18:17 | Neo|Work | ack! my ext2 SD card isn't mounted using the "sync" flag. |
| 20:18:19 | Neo|Work | that's not good |
| 20:18:46 | ljp_work | RedBlur: have you tried zaurus.sourceforge.net ? |
| 20:19:51 | RedBlur | broken |
| 20:22:36 | warmi | fuck zaurszone forums are broken again |
| 20:22:47 | kergoth | warmi: heh. what else is new |
| 20:22:51 | warmi | frankly, this new server is even worse |
| 20:24:14 | Shunt | warmi: ZZ is down more than it's up now |
| 20:24:34 | Shunt | I think they're running it on a Timex Sinclair. |
| 20:24:48 | Neo|Work | warmi: I found some interesting facts about speed of dumping data to the framebuffer |
| 20:25:03 | scanline | is back (gone 08:23:07) |
| 20:25:21 | Neo|Work | basically, a simple for loop which sets pixels to 0, one pixel (i.e short) at a time takes about 16 ms or so |
| 20:25:40 | Neo|Work | using memcpy to do the same takes just over 5 ms |
| 20:26:05 | Twiun | is one sick puppy... just got swing running on the Z! |
| 20:26:26 | Neo|Work | isn't that java crap? :P |
| 20:26:26 | ljp_work | RedBlur: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/zaurus/zutilsvol1.zip |
| 20:26:43 | ljp_work | RedBlur:http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/zaurus/zutilsvol2.zip |
| 20:26:43 | Twiun | NeoTron: Absolutely ;-) |
| 20:26:45 | warmi | Shunt: heheheh |
| 20:27:06 | msmax | users |
| 20:27:22 | warmi | Neo|Work: that makes perfect sense .... memcpy most likely is optimized native asm code |
| 20:27:57 | Neo|Work | warmi: it's somewhat disappointing though |
| 20:28:02 | warmi | I doubt arm has equivlent of rep instructions on intel but still, using simple risc loop will be very fast |
| 20:28:08 | Neo|Work | since I can't use memcpy in SA for example |
| 20:28:14 | warmi | why ? |
| 20:28:22 | Neo|Work | because I need 90 degrees rotation |
| 20:28:26 | warmi | oh right ... your sprites are not aligned |
| 20:28:42 | warmi | I already decided that my code will load images and then align them for the Z screen |
| 20:28:52 | Neo|Work | Interstellar Flames on the other hand will use one memcpy since the rendering can be rotated (it's 3D so... ) |
| 20:29:04 | RedBlur | ljp_work Thank you |
| 20:29:37 | Cam | I did some 90deg rotate code for a spectrum emulator for the Agenda. It took a rewrite to make it fast enough |
| 20:29:45 | Neo|Work | it can definitely not be done for SA. It is a heaven for hardcoded blit positions etc. :P |
| 20:29:46 | NetAmp | pinggggg |
| 20:30:14 | Neo|Work | Cam: the loop itself is fine, it's the actual setting values that's slow |
| 20:30:35 | Cam | what is the architecture of the FB on the Z? |
| 20:30:47 | warmi | if ARM has a CPU cache then this stuff is wrecking hawock with it |
| 20:31:04 | warmi | Cam: 320x240 rotated sideways |
| 20:31:15 | Cam | warmi what is the bit depth? |
| 20:31:20 | Neo|Work | 16 bpp |
| 20:31:20 | warmi | 16 |
| 20:31:32 | Cam | so if you do a word at a time, you can write 2 pixels |
| 20:31:37 | Neo|Work | http://david.hedbor.org/tmp/zaurusfb.png |
| 20:31:40 | warmi | sure |
| 20:31:43 | Neo|Work | well, I do set one _pixel_ at the time |
| 20:31:47 | Neo|Work | s/the/a/ |
| 20:31:53 | Neo|Work | so yes, I copy shorts. |
| 20:32:08 | Cam | you should try a cell of 4x4 pixels with 2 word reads and 2 writes if you can |
| 20:32:16 | Neo|Work | for(int x = 0; x < 240; x++) { |
| 20:32:16 | Neo|Work | bptr = controls_buf + 79 * 240 + x; // bitmap pointer |
| 20:32:16 | Neo|Work | fbptr = fb + 320*x; // frame buffer pointer |
| 20:32:17 | Neo|Work | for(int y = 0; y < 80; y++, bptr-=240) { |
| 20:32:17 | Neo|Work | fbptr[y] = *bptr; |
| 20:32:17 | Neo|Work | } |
| 20:32:19 | Neo|Work | } |
| 20:32:20 | Cam | that's what I did to make my rotate fast |
| 20:32:38 | Neo|Work | that is what I do. I have tweaked the loop various way but it's the copy line that takes time |
| 20:33:01 | Neo|Work | Cam: how would I do that? |
| 20:33:10 | Neo|Work | I'm no expert in graphics transformation. :P |
| 20:33:40 | Cam | use two registers and read the whole 4 pixels in to them from the source |
| 20:34:05 | warmi | he can't, with each iterration he jumps over 240 pixels |
| 20:34:05 | Neo|Work | as in using asm? |
| 20:34:08 | Cam | using only the registers and no memory move the bits about to the order needed for the destination |
| 20:34:15 | Cam | then store |
| 20:34:28 | Cam | use other registers for pointers, counters etc |
| 20:34:42 | Cam | you can think ASM and write in C |
| 20:34:44 | Neo|Work | cam, if you can write such code, fine. heh |
| 20:34:53 | Cam | honest, it's faster |
| 20:34:55 | Neo|Work | I don't know asm at all really |
| 20:35:03 | Neo|Work | well, I just don't understand how to do it |
| 20:35:09 | Neo|Work | you see what I have |
| 20:35:13 | Cam | register int a = *ptr1; |
| 20:35:24 | Cam | register int b = *ptr2 |
| 20:36:08 | NetAmp | heh, the only thing I ever did with ASM was inline code in Turbo Pascal ;-) |
| 20:36:13 | Cam | register int c = b&0xffff0000 + a&0xffff0000 |
| 20:36:17 | Neo|Work | you are saying read 2 shorts and write 1 word? |
| 20:36:41 | Cam | register int c = b&0xffff0000 + a&0xffff0000 |
| 20:36:41 | Neo|Work | hmm |
| 20:36:46 | Cam | oh crap |
| 20:36:56 | Cam | the idea is to minimise the accesses to memory |
| 20:37:10 | Neo|Work | especially write access from what I have noticed |
| 20:37:18 | Neo|Work | reading is minimal in comparision |
| 20:37:37 | Cam | really? |
| 20:37:45 | warmi | strange .. |
| 20:37:51 | warmi | usually is the other way around |
| 20:37:55 | Cam | maybe you are seeing the cache in action |
| 20:37:57 | Neo|Work | I think I did a loop which just set a short to the current bptr value and it was relatively fast |
| 20:38:01 | warmi | at least on PC cards |
| 20:38:22 | warmi | it must have been optimized by the compiler :-) |
| 20:38:26 | Neo|Work | well, as I said I did for(int i = 0; i < x*y; i++) { *fbptr++ = 0; } |
| 20:38:33 | Neo|Work | and it took 16 ms or os |
| 20:38:39 | NetAmp | they should build a GeForce2Go in the Zaurus, also a nice heater in winter times ;-) |
| 20:38:57 | Neo|Work | the above doesn't read anyting and still takes almost as long time as my rotate/copy routine |
| 20:39:40 | Neo|Work | where fbptr is a short I should say |
| 20:39:57 | Neo|Work | so using your idea kind of, perhaps I can read two shorts and write one word |
| 20:40:25 | Neo|Work | would be half the number of writes and also words might be faster since it's a 32 bit cpu, no? |
| 20:40:31 | Neo|Work | is really not an expert in these things. |
| 20:41:26 | Cam | Neo|Work: I've just grabbed your code, can you tell me the type of controls_buf |
| 20:41:31 | Cam | and fbptr |
| 20:41:40 | Neo|Work | all ptrs / bufs are unsigned short* |
| 20:41:44 | Cam | I guess unsigned short [] |
| 20:41:46 | Neo|Work | i.e 16 bit gfx data |
| 20:41:48 | Cam | OK |
| 20:42:06 | Neo|Work | in this case the buffer is 240x80 as you might have guessed from the hardcoded values |
| 20:42:43 | Neo|Work | is away: afk for a few minutes |
| 20:43:21 | cbsmith | Hey, asked this in the early morning hours, but I wanted to ask again. I've got one of the JavaOne PDA's, but I wondering about the wireless cards. It seems like there are better options than the Linksys out there. Anyone have any feedback? |
| 20:44:04 | kergoth | cbsmith: id recommend the smc |
| 20:44:07 | kergoth | cbsmith: small formfactor |
| 20:44:11 | kergoth | s/small/smaller/ |
| 20:44:18 | Aelix | I'm trying to run quake.. and I have the pak0.pak file.. and changed the quake.desktop file to point to the directory that has it, but it still says no gfx.wad file found.. ? |
| 20:44:27 | cbsmith | Yeah, the SMC looks pretty good. How about power consumption though? |
| 20:44:42 | kergoth | cbsmith: compare stats on prism 2 chip vs prism 2.5 |
| 20:44:46 | kergoth | cbsmith: smc is 2.5 |
| 20:44:53 | cbsmith | I saw some reference to eventual support for a Sockets CF card which is supposedly really efficient. |
| 20:45:02 | cbsmith | Also Symbolics? |
| 20:47:17 | kergoth | cbsmith: Socket is prism 2.5 as well. as is the Symbol |
| 20:50:08 | cbsmith | Ah, so I'll just go with SMC and quit worrying about it. |
| 20:51:39 | cbsmith | Socket is claming much more impressive power consumption ratings... I wonder how they pull that off. Indeed, SMC doesn't even claim a power saving mode... Of course, that could just be because their marketing department doesn't think it's important. |
| 20:51:47 | Aelix | anyone get quake running? |
| 20:52:49 | Twiun | Aelix: It's doable - but the version from sf tends to be too sluggish (<1fps) and too memory hungry |
| 20:53:10 | Twiun | It needs all those fp operations stripped out |
| 20:53:18 | Aelix | I just want to test it .. it can't find my pak0.pak file |
| 20:53:44 | Twiun | The version for the Z is perfectly happy with the pak0.pak.gz file supplied |
| 20:53:54 | Aelix | didn't try that one |
| 20:54:06 | Twiun | I think it needs to be in <quake_root>/id1 |
| 20:54:16 | Aelix | ahh |
| 20:54:27 | Twiun | I tried it a few months ago, so my memory is a bit blurred |
| 20:54:47 | Aelix | no still didn't work |
| 20:55:28 | Twiun | Keep trying different places... it _does_ work |
| 20:55:29 | Aelix | weird worked for the command line though |
| 20:55:45 | Aelix | grr says I need the registered version |
| 20:55:56 | Twiun | Hehehe |
| 20:56:21 | cbsmith | Has anyon got the Socket card working on their Z? |
| 20:57:41 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 00:14:58) |
| 20:57:53 | cbsmith | The Socket card claims less than 20ma in idle mode... |
| 20:58:21 | Twiun | Here's one for the other Java "sick" people out there ;-) http://adorphuye.com/zaurus_swing.png |
| 20:58:56 | Aelix | very cool |
| 20:59:26 | Twiun | It's actually fast enough for everything... SAVE for those damn menus |
| 20:59:33 | Twiun | the menus take 1s to come up |
| 20:59:46 | cbsmith | The Smc card claimes 100ma. ;-) |
| 20:59:48 | Twiun | but I can move the scrollbar in realtime |
| 21:00:00 | scanline | not the hardware's job to make up for java's slowness |
| 21:00:25 | Twiun | In this case, I think the menus are just badly coded |
| 21:00:28 | kergoth | hey BZFlag |
| 21:00:34 | Twiun | (sun's problem, not mine) |
| 21:00:38 | scanline | hehe |
| 21:00:40 | Neo|Work | Cam: having fun yet? :P |
| 21:00:51 | Cam | yes Neo|Work |
| 21:01:08 | Cam | I should be finishing Powerchord but this is more interesting for now :) |
| 21:01:13 | Neo|Work | hehe |
| 21:01:14 | BZFlag | kergoth: hey. so did my changes help or hurt getting the next OZ out the door? ;-) |
| 21:01:15 | Neo|Work | I hear ya |
| 21:01:26 | kergoth | BZFlag: helped. though a few of them were still broken |
| 21:01:27 | kergoth | BZFlag: hehe |
| 21:01:45 | warmi | Cam , you have you Z yet ? |
| 21:01:51 | kergoth | BZFlag: most were still using crti.o and crt1.o from the glibc-arm in /opt/Embedix, not the one freshly built. but its all good now |
| 21:02:52 | Cam | yes thanks warmi but I have no USB and only one MMC card with a slow way to transfer stuff onto it (9.6k baud!) |
| 21:04:24 | kergoth | BZFlag: btw 20011228 uses a slightly different mtd mapping than your collie-jffs2. 'system', 'kernel', 'initrd', 'debug'. debug and system are disabled by default (within a #if 0 ... #endif). |
| 21:04:24 | NetAmp | likes a cup of Java |
| 21:04:54 | Twiun | Hehe... I think I'm going to give up trying to get the SwingSet demo running... |
| 21:04:57 | NetAmp | woohoo, swing == sweet |
| 21:05:07 | Twiun | getting tired of those "out-of-memory" errors |
| 21:05:22 | NetAmp | but.. I do hate those PURPLE scrollbar hangles |
| 21:05:23 | NetAmp | heh |
| 21:05:45 | Twiun | You can always change that I suppose ;-) |
| 21:05:54 | NetAmp | yeah, I'll just load a new Look-n-Feel profile ;-) |
| 21:06:06 | Twiun | Yeah |
| 21:07:25 | NetAmp | gimme gimme gimme a 5500 |
| 21:07:33 | NetAmp | ah still in pre-order |
| 21:07:37 | Neo|Work | Cam: eeks. even my printer has a faster method (like 56 K or so) |
| 21:07:58 | Twiun | Anyone have a link to some swing proggy they'd like me to try? |
| 21:07:58 | Neo|Work | Twiun: did you uncheck "fast load" for datebook, addressbook and todo list apps? |
| 21:08:04 | Neo|Work | that will save up some memory |
| 21:08:16 | Twiun | Neo|Work: Yeah, first thing I did |
| 21:08:22 | Twiun | Also using 1.13 |
| 21:08:46 | Neo|Work | mumbles something about Java. |
| 21:08:47 | Neo|Work | ;-) |
| 21:09:03 | NetAmp | imports java.zaurus.* |
| 21:09:11 | Twiun | Yeah, I know - it'd be better if it didn't load every single fucking class ;-) |
| 21:09:16 | BZFlag | kergoth: fix it back to mine then. ;-) |
| 21:09:25 | Twiun | Can't wait until gcj is actually usable |
| 21:09:28 | NetAmp | indeed, just the necessary classes |
| 21:12:36 | kergoth | BZFlag: already did. testing a build, then ill commit |
| 21:15:09 | Neo|Work | kergoth: so does your Z have a GUI yet? :P |
| 21:15:24 | kergoth | Neo|Work: getting there.. at least my build env is sane, and everything builds again :-P |
| 21:15:45 | NetAmp | I'll just build my own whole GUI in Java :-P |
| 21:15:48 | kergoth | hah |
| 21:16:01 | NetAmp | (erm... well... oh boy that'll be slow!) |
| 21:16:11 | kergoth | Neo|Work: sharp hasnt released the source to that stupid qtopia launcher yet have they? i need a bootup menu |
| 21:16:18 | NetAmp | hehehe |
| 21:16:29 | NetAmp | kergoth: call 'em ;) |
| 21:16:48 | NetAmp | eventually they'll freak out of all the phonecalls/emails :P |
| 21:17:37 | Jet8810 | so,is battery life on consumer zaurus better than on developer? |
| 21:20:23 | NetAmp | let's hope so :D |
| 21:20:48 | Jet8810 | hehe |
| 21:20:52 | cbsmith | Umm, is the 5000 bad too? Most people I talked to said it was similar to an iPAQ. |
| 21:21:07 | Jet8810 | yea...thats bearable... |
| 21:21:07 | cbsmith | is referring to battery life |
| 21:21:17 | Jet8810 | i have an Ipaq... |
| 21:21:44 | Jet8810 | but i have no intention in buying one...invested too much in ipaq (not to mention just got it) |
| 21:22:22 | NetAmp | heh |
| 21:22:25 | NetAmp | which iPAQ? |
| 21:22:52 | Jet8810 | 3635 |
| 21:23:00 | NetAmp | :D |
| 21:23:50 | Jet8810 | off ebay...:) |
| 21:24:04 | NetAmp | The Zaurus 3D Demo is sweeeet ;) http://www.sharp-usa.com/products/ModelLanding/0,1058,699,00.html# |
| 21:24:11 | Jet8810 | really great though...just ordered pc sleeve and wireless cdpd card...plan on going wireless with it |
| 21:26:36 | Jet8810 | any plans to release pc sleeve for zaurus? |
| 21:27:19 | Jet8810 | zaurus seems to compete with ppc devices...and most ppcs have pc sleeves nwo |
| 21:27:21 | Jet8810 | or plan to release one |
| 21:27:39 | NetAmp | Does the Z have a good "freehand draw"-like notepad yet? Can come in handy to scribble something down and save it... |
| 21:28:02 | NetAmp | hm dunno about sleeves... |
| 21:28:17 | kergoth | NetAmp: opie has drawpad |
| 21:28:23 | kergoth | NetAmp: see opie.handhelds.org for screenshot |
| 21:28:44 | NetAmp | ok then that decision is final, heh, opie it is :P ;) |
| 21:28:47 | kergoth | Jet8810: Z has built in CF and SD. no point in a sleeve |
| 21:29:01 | NetAmp | I suppose they could do that, but then the keyboard is also kinda in the way (?) |
| 21:29:25 | kergoth | NetAmp: remember, you cant use the opie feed in the package manager on a sharp rom.. and only application ipks from opie will work on a sharp rom (i.e. not the opie-base, or anything) |
| 21:29:52 | NetAmp | oh yeah I remember... drawpad, looks fine |
| 21:30:16 | NetAmp | kergoth: ow ok :S |
| 21:30:56 | kergoth | re ljp |
| 21:31:13 | NetAmp | kergoth: does drawpad just store the notes in the order you input them? |
| 21:31:30 | kergoth | NetAmp: not certain. ask in #opie. i havent actually used drawpad yet |
| 21:31:33 | kergoth | NetAmp: hehe |
| 21:31:36 | NetAmp | ;-) |
| 21:32:18 | NetAmp | kergoth: you've been doing more important things than doodling (, or have you? :P) |
| 21:32:41 | | My uncle Murray conquered Egypt in 53 B.C. And I can prove it too!! |
| 21:32:41 | NetAmp | ibot: be zippy |
| 21:32:45 | Jet8810 | kergoth...if i want to use pc card...say wireless mdoem |
| 21:32:49 | Jet8810 | modem even |
| 21:32:52 | kergoth | NetAmp: hehe. no, i havent been doing much lately actually. busy busy busy |
| 21:33:16 | kergoth | Jet8810: i highly doubt this Z will ever have pc card support. future models might, who knows. ask jason |
| 21:33:19 | ljp_work | heya |
| 21:33:27 | Jet8810 | yea |
| 21:33:29 | Jet8810 | alright thanks |
| 21:33:40 | Jet8810 | but are there built in drivers for I/O cf cards yet? |
| 21:34:01 | Jet8810 | like wireless modems, wired modems, cameras...ect |
| 21:34:10 | kergoth | Jet8810: yes |
| 21:34:54 | Shunt | kergoth: does jason still come in here? Or is he tired of the hancom questions? :) |
| 21:36:01 | Jet8810 | nice |
| 21:38:36 | NetAmp | hehe |
| 21:39:06 | NetAmp | Shunt: he probably blocked all sentences containing 'hancom' in his IRC client ;) |
| 21:41:04 | Cam | Neo|Work: are you there? |
| 21:41:39 | Shunt | NetAmp: Same ol' perlow :) |
| 21:42:01 | NetAmp | heh |
| 21:42:08 | NetAmp | ;- |
| 21:42:10 | Aelix | Hey are there any shoutcast capable MP3 players available? |
| 21:42:15 | ljp_work | perlow's probably busy wrestling with java dudes |
| 21:42:38 | Shunt | ljp_work: literally. |
| 21:42:51 | ljp_work | aelix: not yet.. unless youwrite a mediapplayer plugin |
| 21:43:27 | ljp_work | actually, that's something I might look into writing |
| 21:43:41 | Aelix | What about mpg123 has that been compiled by anyone? |
| 21:43:51 | ljp_work | probably |
| 21:47:16 | NetAmp | hey ppl, that OpiePlayer screenshot gives a wrong impression ;) |
| 21:47:20 | NetAmp | on the opie site |
| 21:47:22 | NetAmp | heh |
| 21:47:35 | NetAmp | the playlist contains null, void, nada, nothing |
| 21:49:55 | ljp_work | opie's all about wrong impressions :) |
| 21:50:06 | kergoth | hah |
| 21:50:25 | NetAmp | hehehe |
| 21:50:46 | NetAmp | still, people should get a soft pluche Pingizauru shipped with Opie |
| 21:50:48 | ljp_work | starts searching for any shoutcast development docs |
| 21:50:50 | kergoth | stupid fucking arch/arm/mach-sa1100/power.c includes unistd.h instead of linux/unistd.h, and i keep forgetting to fix it before i compile the kernel |
| 21:51:13 | ljp_work | netamp: as soon as they start paying, we will |
| 21:51:14 | NetAmp | s/fuck/fsck |
| 21:51:24 | NetAmp | ljp_work: haha :D |
| 21:51:29 | NetAmp | *lol* |
| 21:51:59 | kergoth | i want a plush pingizaurus |
| 21:52:04 | kergoth | s/us/u/ |
| 21:52:05 | NetAmp | ;-) |
| 21:52:39 | ljp_work | where is that site that can sell opie t shirts and cups and stuff? |
| 21:52:48 | NetAmp | ;-) |
| 21:52:55 | ljp_work | I forgotten all about that |
| 21:53:08 | kergoth | ummm cafesomethingorother |
| 21:53:17 | ljp_work | or heh. hmm k |
| 21:53:19 | kergoth | i have it in my email.. jason has the account and password to alter the images and shit |
| 21:53:20 | NetAmp | wow yeah! A Pingizauru cup which has a changing picture when you pour hot coffee/tea in it! |
| 21:53:22 | NetAmp | ;-) |
| 21:53:24 | kergoth | lol |
| 21:53:27 | kergoth | NetAmp: you're evi |
| 21:53:29 | kergoth | s/vi/vil/ |
| 21:53:30 | ljp_work | cafesomethingorother.com |
| 21:53:35 | NetAmp | yeah kinda ;) |
| 21:53:51 | kergoth | whardier: ping |
| 21:54:01 | kergoth | whardier: what was the url to the pingizauru merchanise that jason setup? |
| 21:54:08 | ljp_work | yep |
| 21:54:09 | NetAmp | == a strange factor in this universe |
| 21:54:12 | ljp_work | or |
| 21:54:16 | ljp_work | ahh.. |
| 21:55:24 | Neo|Work | cafepress.com |
| 21:55:35 | Neo|Work | is the site that is |
| 21:55:52 | kergoth | Neo|Work: yep thats it |
| 21:56:19 | ljp_work | that needs to go on the opie page me thinks |
| 21:57:03 | kergoth | we need admin access to update the images |
| 21:57:08 | kergoth | add a blurb about openzaurus and opie |
| 21:57:23 | kergoth | someone remind me to pester jason about that when he comes back |
| 21:57:24 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:57:40 | Neo|Work | what is the stored called though? |
| 21:57:42 | whardier | http://vash.umgllc.com/satan/tempcrap2.pn <- sex |
| 21:57:44 | whardier | you guys slike? |
| 21:57:53 | Neo|Work | I see an opie one but it doesn't have any pingus or zauruses. :P |
| 21:58:13 | kergoth | Neo|Work: dont remember. try openzaurus |
| 21:58:15 | kergoth | whardier: ping |
| 21:58:20 | whardier | http://vash.umgllc.com/satan/tempcrap2.png <- sex revisited |
| 21:58:22 | kergoth | whardier: you have the cafepress url for pingizauru? |
| 21:58:34 | whardier | newp |
| 21:58:37 | whardier | klemme find it |
| 21:58:40 | kergoth | k |
| 21:59:04 | whardier | http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=openzaurus |
| 21:59:07 | kergoth | whardier: btw the 1.13 kernel works for openzaurus now |
| 21:59:12 | whardier | very cool |
| 21:59:13 | whardier | what happened? |
| 21:59:14 | kergoth | whardier: ill commit the fixes |
| 21:59:25 | kergoth | whardier: the mtd mapping in 1.13 is different than tim riker's |
| 21:59:36 | kergoth | whardier: i reverted it, and made a very very minor change to power.c |
| 21:59:41 | kergoth | whardier: to make it compile |
| 21:59:42 | whardier | power.c eh |
| 21:59:57 | kergoth | whardier: #include <unistd.h> .. shouldve been #include <linux/unistd.h> |
| 21:59:59 | kergoth | whardier: hehe |
| 22:00:27 | kergoth | wtf |
| 22:00:34 | kergoth | it wont spawn me a login |
| 22:00:39 | kergoth | because i dont have a securetty file |
| 22:00:40 | kergoth | bitch |
| 22:01:07 | whardier | HAHAHA |
| 22:01:13 | whardier | bastard |
| 22:01:35 | Neo|Work | kergoth: ah, yes! PING! |
| 22:01:45 | kergoth | Neo|Work: PONG! |
| 22:02:27 | Neo|Work | hey, the ash grey tshirt doesn't have a nice BIG pingizaurus! |
| 22:02:39 | kergoth | yeah, we need to change it |
| 22:02:51 | Neo|Work | think you need to update them some, yes |
| 22:02:52 | kergoth | whardier: you have the login info to change shit on the cafepress page? or does jason have it? |
| 22:03:01 | Neo|Work | cafepress is awesome though |
| 22:03:05 | kergoth | yeah |
| 22:03:10 | whardier | err |
| 22:03:13 | whardier | what are we changing |
| 22:03:16 | whardier | and jasons sister does |
| 22:03:18 | kergoth | ah |
| 22:04:41 | NetAmp | hey, the "Ladies T-Shirt" doesn't show up in my browser |
| 22:04:58 | NetAmp | that's kinda wrong |
| 22:05:01 | NetAmp | heh |
| 22:05:20 | NetAmp | women should love Pingizauru too ;) |
| 22:05:27 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:05:32 | kergoth | we still need a plush one :-) |
| 22:05:58 | Aelix | Does this rotate the screen? qt-embedded-rotation_2.3.2-3_arm.ipk from qpe.sourceforge.net |
| 22:06:06 | NetAmp | In a while he'll be even more popular than Pikachu :P |
| 22:06:09 | Cam | nice T's (how much do you get for each one sold?) |
| 22:06:11 | kergoth | Aelix: that, AND the rotation applet, will let you rotate the screen |
| 22:06:20 | Aelix | And they work on the zaurus ok |
| 22:06:25 | kergoth | Cam: i dont even remember.. lol |
| 22:06:35 | Neo|Work | looks like they are sold at cost...? |
| 22:06:35 | kergoth | Cam: we need to get the login info |
| 22:06:49 | Cam | hehe I only ask cos I hace some t-s for sale and wondered about the deal you had with CP |
| 22:07:06 | kergoth | Neo|Work: most likely.. we never did anything with it |
| 22:07:16 | kergoth | Neo|Work: i sorta forgot about it... the url was buried in my mailbox |
| 22:07:17 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:07:27 | NetAmp | big Pingizauru: http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/productdetail.aspx?prodno=1849186&zoom=yes#zoom |
| 22:08:54 | kergoth | re fusion94- |
| 22:09:18 | Cam | I get 2ukp for each T sold |
| 22:10:11 | Neo|Work | Aelix: I installed the Opie rotation and and in general apps seems to get fux0red when it's run |
| 22:10:27 | kergoth | really? |
| 22:10:35 | kergoth | Neo|Work: did you remember to install the qt embedded rotation fonts? |
| 22:11:08 | Neo|Work | uh. no. :) |
| 22:11:13 | kergoth | there ya go |
| 22:11:14 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:11:15 | Neo|Work | didn't know there was such a thing, heh |
| 22:11:24 | Neo|Work | I was about to say that fonts don't show up. :P |
| 22:11:26 | kergoth | yeah, rotated fonts. things will be messed up without them |
| 22:11:29 | kergoth | :-) |
| 22:11:45 | kergoth | it just sets QWS_DISPLAY to a different transformation |
| 22:11:48 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:15:32 | Aelix | Neo|Work: Yeah rotation makes for unhappy apps. i wanted a wider Opera :( |
| 22:16:07 | kergoth | Aelix: install konqueror/embedded. it rotates properly |
| 22:16:08 | warmi | anyone knows Dave Kessler ?/ |
| 22:16:11 | kergoth | Aelix: :-) |
| 22:16:21 | finkployd_ | kergoth: Unfortunatly it doesn't zoom |
| 22:16:26 | Kopsis | is Dave Kessler |
| 22:16:26 | kergoth | finkployd_: yes it does |
| 22:16:34 | finkployd_ | since when??!! |
| 22:16:34 | kergoth | finkployd_: as of a recent build.. the version in the opie feed works fine |
| 22:16:38 | finkployd_ | coolness |
| 22:16:40 | kergoth | finkployd_: opie.handhelds.org |
| 22:17:06 | warmi | ok |
| 22:17:13 | Kopsis | warmi: What's up? |
| 22:17:14 | warmi | so you still waiting for your Z ? |
| 22:17:18 | finkployd_ | is the opie stuff as up to date as what is distributed with the Sharp rom? |
| 22:17:23 | Kopsis | warmi: yup |
| 22:17:50 | kergoth | finkployd_: the sharp stuff still has some things on opie.. zecke was reviewing the sharp improvements recently.. i wish they'd release the source |
| 22:18:03 | warmi | called that number and got voice mail of somebody named Rosemary something, nothing about who she works for or anything like that. |
| 22:18:11 | warmi | I left her a message |
| 22:18:16 | finkployd_ | kergoth: Same here, but I'm not going to start on another Sharp rant today :) |
| 22:18:21 | warmi | fuck, I am frustrated |
| 22:18:21 | kergoth | finkployd_: lol |
| 22:18:29 | Kopsis | warmi: Sounds like typical Sharp developer support :) |
| 22:19:03 | Kopsis | warmi: If Troll doesn't extend the deadline I'm gonna be really glad I bought a 5000D two months ago :) |
| 22:19:13 | Neo|Work | Kopsis: hehe |
| 22:19:37 | warmi | I never planned to buy 5000 |
| 22:19:40 | Neo|Work | kergoth: know what improvements they have done? |
| 22:19:58 | kergoth | Neo|Work: sharp? well the networking settings dialog is quite improved, for one |
| 22:20:07 | kergoth | Neo|Work: i havent reviewed them closely |
| 22:20:26 | finkployd_ | the filemanager is better. The IR stuff works. |
| 22:20:26 | kergoth | Neo|Work: i havent had a sharp rom on my Z since the prerelase 1.1x roms in january |
| 22:20:29 | kergoth | Neo|Work: hehe |
| 22:20:36 | kergoth | finkployd_: yeah. filemanager is improved in opie as well |
| 22:20:53 | kergoth | finkployd_: but sharp hasnt released the code to libqobex, so we need to create our own qt obex implementation to gain that |
| 22:20:59 | kergoth | mutters |
| 22:21:55 | Neo|Work | kergoth: heh |
| 22:22:43 | kergoth | BZFlag: you want to have a jffs2collie patch on your area on opensource.lineo.com against the 1.13 source? if not, ill throw it up on openzaurus.org. all it does is alters the mtd mapping for sa1100. the rest of your stuff is identical in 1.13. |
| 22:38:43 | | codemnky was last seen on #zaurus 2 hours, 41 minutes and 33 seconds ago, saying: nothing [Thu Mar 28 19:57:10 2002] |
| 22:38:43 | kergoth | ibot: seen codemnky? |
| 22:40:29 | kergoth | hrm |
| 22:40:45 | roge99 | sup kergoth |
| 22:40:48 | kergoth | hey roge99 |
| 22:40:50 | kergoth | whats goin on |
| 22:40:54 | roge99 | not much |
| 22:41:13 | roge99 | i was chatten w codemnky earlier |
| 22:41:26 | | I haven't seen 'my', warmi |
| 22:41:26 | warmi | ibot: seen my Zaurus |
| 22:41:34 | kergoth | ah cool. he runs openzaurus.org for me, and i cant log into it anymore for some reason |
| 22:41:42 | warmi | ah, you are not much smarter than Shar |
| 22:41:44 | roge99 | he said brb gota reboot --that was 2 hours ago |
| 22:41:48 | warmi | hehe |
| 22:41:55 | kergoth | long reboot |
| 22:41:56 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:42:01 | roge99 | yea |
| 22:42:10 | roge99 | i have his email if you need it |
| 22:42:34 | kergoth | nah i have it |
| 22:42:37 | kergoth | but thanks |
| 22:42:42 | roge99 | no prob |
| 22:44:08 | Aelix | ZaurusZone is driving me insane!! |
| 22:44:16 | kergoth | Aelix: hehe. i gave up on ZZ a long time ago |
| 22:44:24 | kergoth | Aelix: :-) |
| 22:44:37 | roge99 | yea whats up with that |
| 22:44:51 | Aelix | I think ZaurusZone went to J1 with JHP and it decided to stay there. |
| 22:45:14 | warmi | heh |
| 22:45:40 | warmi | when is J1 supposed to be over ? |
| 22:45:46 | warmi | Friday ? |
| 22:46:31 | kergoth | ack |
| 22:46:35 | kergoth | wtf is wrong with my getty |
| 22:46:36 | kergoth | er |
| 22:46:38 | kergoth | s/getty/login |
| 22:47:01 | kergoth | s/login/shell/ |
| 22:47:02 | kergoth | lol |
| 22:47:48 | kergoth | i log in.. and it immediately pops up another login |
| 22:47:49 | kergoth | no shell |
| 22:47:51 | kergoth | no nothing |
| 22:47:52 | kergoth | wtf? |
| 22:49:36 | tux_mike | kergoth: what's your shell? |
| 22:49:40 | kergoth | tux_mike: busybox |
| 22:49:41 | scanline | is away: standing in the wet room |
| 22:49:50 | kergoth | tux_mike: the prob is, i changed the link parameters on EVERYTHING in the buildsystem |
| 22:49:54 | tux_mike | is it properly linked? |
| 22:49:54 | kergoth | tux_mike: and bzflag changed busybox options |
| 22:50:00 | kergoth | tux_mike: too many variables.. i dotn know what caused it |
| 22:50:03 | kergoth | tux_mike: heh |
| 22:50:05 | kergoth | tux_mike: yeah |
| 22:50:07 | kergoth | tux_mike: should be anyway |
| 22:50:08 | tux_mike | yup |
| 22:50:13 | kergoth | changes init=/bin/sh |
| 22:50:23 | tux_mike | there ya go |
| 22:50:36 | Hellaenergy | What is it that the CPU performace is maxed out in sys info? |
| 22:50:40 | tux_mike | time to reflash? |
| 22:50:44 | Hellaenergy | always |
| 22:50:45 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:50:51 | tux_mike | Hellaenergy: idled |
| 22:50:55 | Aelix | is there a way from the command line to tell qtopia to reload the desktop entries? or do I need to restart it. |
| 22:51:00 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: the apm shit uses idle cpu, afaik |
| 22:51:20 | tux_mike | it actually saves battery life by taking idle cycles and using them through apm |
| 22:51:22 | kergoth | Aelix: there may be a way to do it via a qcop call, but i dont recall the call you need to use |
| 22:51:27 | Hellaenergy | idle cpu = no cpu? |
| 22:51:45 | tux_mike | ? |
| 22:51:50 | kergoth | seconds that ? |
| 22:51:59 | Hellaenergy | nm |
| 22:52:17 | tux_mike | it's not a bad thing, it's normal. trust me :) |
| 22:52:25 | Hellaenergy | sure |
| 22:52:43 | Hellaenergy | Anyone here ever use OpenSTA? |
| 22:53:20 | NetAmp | Star Trek Academy |
| 22:53:33 | NetAmp | STA |
| 22:54:01 | NetAmp | or... Sensational Transition Application |
| 22:54:46 | kergoth | STA.. smack that ass |
| 22:54:50 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: wtf is openSTA? |
| 22:55:04 | Aelix | is there a port of rdate? |
| 22:55:09 | NetAmp | heh |
| 22:55:24 | kergoth | Aelix: rdate? who knows.. i use ntp for that myself |
| 22:56:29 | tux_mike | works more on his japanese flash cards. |
| 22:56:35 | Aelix | whoa its time to go home |
| 22:56:47 | Aelix | half hour till beer-thirty in fact |
| 22:56:49 | tux_mike | and i have to find out why my program isn't displaying unicode on the main label |
| 22:57:18 | tux_mike | beer-thirty? you drink 30 beers in a half hour? |
| 22:57:48 | Aelix | umm that would be expensive. |
| 22:57:52 | Aelix | later all |
| 22:58:12 | tux_mike | bye |
| 22:58:15 | tux_mike | hrm... |
| 22:58:24 | tux_mike | alcohol... i can use some of that |
| 22:59:05 | Aelix_away | GAH |
| 22:59:11 | tux_mike | ? |
| 22:59:12 | Aelix_away | why do people send report requests at 4:49!! |
| 22:59:20 | tux_mike | lol |
| 22:59:30 | tux_mike | mr murphy strikes again! :) |
| 22:59:35 | Aelix | Actually 4:59 I mean |
| 22:59:36 | warmi | report requests ? |
| 22:59:49 | Aelix | Wah wah my SGI won't print |
| 22:59:49 | warmi | oh ... hehe |
| 23:00:03 | warmi | just pretend you are already gone |
| 23:01:29 | kergoth | kicks murphy's ass |
| 23:01:55 | Aelix | Stupid IRIX |
| 23:02:00 | Aelix | goes home for real now |
| 23:02:42 | tux_mike | who the heck thought it'd be a good idea to put onions on a pizza |
| 23:02:47 | kergoth | lol |
| 23:02:48 | kergoth | not me |
| 23:03:10 | kergoth | not a big fan of onions in general |
| 23:03:12 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:03:29 | roge99 | hey i just had onions on my pizza |
| 23:03:37 | kendrick2 | re |
| 23:03:41 | tux_mike | the only way i can eat onions is done hibachi style |
| 23:03:42 | kendrick2 | tell me what you think so far :) |
| 23:03:47 | kendrick2 | http://www.sonic.net/~nbs/z-faq.txt |
| 23:04:12 | kendrick2 | brb |
| 23:05:03 | NetAmp | XML-ify it ;-) |
| 23:06:28 | kendrick2 | heheheh |
| 23:06:32 | kendrick2 | screw that ;) |
| 23:06:46 | kendrick2 | what other q's keep getting asked? |
| 23:06:51 | kendrick2 | i should add a 'flash the rom' section |
| 23:07:38 | kergoth | kendrick2: yes, add flashing. may want to add a 'differences between the sl-5000d and sl-5500' or something |
| 23:07:44 | kendrick2 | sure |
| 23:07:48 | kendrick2 | renamed... html'ing |
| 23:08:21 | kergoth | ack |
| 23:08:24 | kergoth | wtf is wrong with my busybox |
| 23:08:29 | kergoth | /bin/sh wont run.. it hangs |
| 23:08:29 | kendrick2 | it sucks? :) |
| 23:08:32 | kergoth | hah |
| 23:08:46 | Neo|Work | I played SDLRoids on my Zaurus today. oh the wonder of embedded SDL! |
| 23:08:49 | kergoth | BZFlag: ping |
| 23:08:53 | kendrick2 | NEO! |
| 23:08:56 | kendrick2 | S D L ! ! ! |
| 23:08:56 | kergoth | Neo|Work: hehe. stop taunting bill |
| 23:08:58 | kergoth | :-P |
| 23:09:03 | kendrick2 | /seriously/ :) |
| 23:09:08 | Gique | /nick Gique_away |
| 23:09:09 | kendrick2 | must... port... vectoroids... |
| 23:09:09 | Neo|Work | kendrick2: Very nice. ;-) |
| 23:09:09 | tux_mike | hehe :) |
| 23:09:13 | Gique | arg |
| 23:09:22 | Neo|Work | actually, it's rather crappy and I have a bunch of things to fix to make it usable |
| 23:09:26 | Neo|Work | but it compiles and runs |
| 23:10:07 | kergoth | BZFlag: ping |
| 23:10:11 | Gique | /nick Gique_away |
| 23:10:15 | kergoth | BZFlag: busybox doesnt like me |
| 23:11:37 | kergoth | keeps reloading, watching bill convert to html |
| 23:11:38 | kergoth | :-P |
| 23:11:46 | tux_mike | lol |
| 23:11:56 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:11:58 | kendrick2 | php'ifies |
| 23:12:14 | Neo|Work | kendrick2: not found... |
| 23:12:49 | kendrick2 | http://www.sonic.net/~nbs/z-faq.php ;) |
| 23:13:57 | Neo|Work | oh!!! THANKS! |
| 23:14:03 | kendrick2 | heheh ;) |
| 23:14:06 | Neo|Work | I needed the pipe and ctrl-chars stuff. :) |
| 23:14:07 | tux_mike | kendrick2: in How do I send CONTROL characters (to the Terminal, for example) using the keyboard? |
| 23:14:10 | kendrick2 | seriously? |
| 23:14:15 | Neo|Work | you already helped me a whole lot. :) |
| 23:14:16 | tux_mike | you mention CTRL-Z twice |
| 23:14:22 | Neo|Work | no clue how to get those to work |
| 23:14:36 | kendrick2 | i do? |
| 23:14:40 | tux_mike | yup |
| 23:14:51 | kendrick2 | how so? |
| 23:15:15 | tux_mike | you mention it in the pressing shift fn key and fn key, it isn't fn-z, it's shift fn -z |
| 23:15:25 | kendrick2 | i think fn-z works too tho |
| 23:15:29 | scanline | is back (gone 00:25:49) |
| 23:15:37 | Neo|Work | I couldn't figure out why they had no pipe key. :) |
| 23:15:38 | scanline | is away: hmm.. who knows where |
| 23:15:58 | Neo|Work | kendrick2: heh. hardware question 1: for really dumb ppl. ;-) |
| 23:16:07 | kendrick2 | yep :) |
| 23:16:11 | kendrick2 | it'll be asked, tho :) |
| 23:16:35 | tux_mike | yah, you're right. fn-z works too... hmmm |
| 23:16:49 | kendrick2 | for undo, cut, copy, paste w/ just FN :) |
| 23:17:00 | tux_mike | ah |
| 23:17:17 | warmi | hah ... some contestants claim their ROM was 1.12 |
| 23:17:27 | Neo|Work | warmi: perhaps ones from TT? |
| 23:17:35 | kergoth | too bad shift+fn+blah doesnt work in console |
| 23:17:49 | Neo|Work | mine was definitely O L D. :P |
| 23:17:56 | warmi | haha ... this is one hell of a contest |
| 23:18:03 | warmi | will remember that for a while :-) |
| 23:18:16 | warmi | btw ...I like this new Faq |
| 23:18:17 | kendrick2 | krg - yeah :) |
| 23:18:22 | kendrick2 | mine, warmi? :) |
| 23:19:04 | warmi | kendrick2: yeah |
| 23:20:26 | warmi | hmm .. how about for all people who haven't received their prize yet .. Sharp will make it up by sending them 5500 ? |
| 23:20:31 | warmi | hehe |
| 23:20:36 | kendrick2 | heheh |
| 23:20:37 | kendrick2 | ok - reload |
| 23:20:44 | kendrick2 | looks MUCh nicer |
| 23:21:04 | warmi | yeah, it does |
| 23:21:05 | kendrick2 | i need to kind of split the data from the sections |
| 23:21:25 | kendrick2 | so that, for example, a question about the keyboard could be answered in both 'hardware' and 'char input' |
| 23:22:12 | kergoth | kendrick2: id put data in a sql database. have a unique for each entry, and be able to pull up said entry in whatever section |
| 23:22:15 | kergoth | kendrick2: but thats just me :-) |
| 23:22:36 | kendrick2 | herm |
| 23:24:01 | kergoth | kendrick2: for that matter, i'd put even the questions and sections in a db as well, and have the php just interface to it |
| 23:24:02 | kergoth | kendrick2: hehe |
| 23:25:35 | warmi | while you at it ...and make sure it is readable on Z |
| 23:25:40 | kendrick2 | dude, it will be |
| 23:25:42 | kendrick2 | i mean, look at it :) |
| 23:27:01 | warmi | alrigth ... enough for today |
| 23:27:05 | warmi | see you later |
| 23:31:37 | BZFlag | kergoth: sup? |
| 23:31:39 | NetAmp | HTML-ified the FAQ |
| 23:31:41 | NetAmp | http://www.remz-jay.org/~netamp/z/z-faq.htm |
| 23:31:45 | kendrick2 | netamp! |
| 23:31:50 | NetAmp | *lol* |
| 23:31:55 | kendrick2 | stop it! :) |
| 23:31:56 | NetAmp | was kinda bored |
| 23:31:59 | kendrick2 | oh - lemme guess |
| 23:32:04 | kendrick2 | <pre> / </pre> ? :) |
| 23:32:15 | kendrick2 | i'm going all out here.. don't waste your time :) |
| 23:32:24 | BZFlag | kergoth: feel free to just check the mtd layout patch into OZ cvs. |
| 23:32:26 | kergoth | BZFlag: i built OZ.. when kernel spawns /bin/sh (init=/bin/sh, sh->busybox) it hangs |
| 23:32:31 | kergoth | BZFlag: k |
| 23:32:38 | NetAmp | I wanted want Pingizauru on the background :P |
| 23:32:39 | NetAmp | hehe |
| 23:32:47 | NetAmp | s/want// |
| 23:32:49 | BZFlag | kergoth: try nfs mount and chroot there? |
| 23:33:08 | BZFlag | could be a library thing again. |
| 23:33:16 | kergoth | BZFlag: yeh i suspected that also |
| 23:33:19 | NetAmp | actually did 'click-n-html' in dreamweaver ;) |
| 23:33:24 | kergoth | BZFlag: busybox is in buildroot-tux right? |
| 23:33:31 | BZFlag | yes. |
| 23:33:45 | BZFlag | dynamic against uClibc and it works fine. |
| 23:34:06 | kergoth | k |
| 23:34:09 | kergoth | ill take a look |
| 23:34:10 | kendrick2 | is macro'ifying the keys |
| 23:34:17 | kendrick2 | so instead of saying, int he HTML : Press SPACE |
| 23:34:19 | NetAmp | kendrick2: Maybe it could be parsed with PHP or something :) |
| 23:34:21 | kendrick2 | I say: Press $KEY_SPACE |
| 23:34:28 | kendrick2 | netamp - that's what i'm doing :) |
| 23:34:36 | NetAmp | sweet |
| 23:34:41 | kendrick2 | so, for now, "$KEY_SPACE" just equals: <b>[SPACE]</b> |
| 23:34:51 | kendrick2 | but when i get a chance, it'll actually be a GIF or PNG _of_ the space key :) |
| 23:34:55 | kendrick2 | (with appropriate alt tag ;) ) |
| 23:34:57 | NetAmp | somewhat like a template engine :) |
| 23:35:07 | kendrick2 | and, of course, HTML-lite mode which will use only text ;) |
| 23:35:16 | NetAmp | ghehe |
| 23:35:21 | BZFlag | what about $ANY_KEY ? ;-) |
| 23:35:30 | BZFlag | or perhaps $KEY_ANY |
| 23:35:37 | kendrick2 | :^P |
| 23:37:39 | NetAmp | let's port it to the Qtopia Help Browser :P :P |
| 23:38:09 | Neo|Work | PHP? Eeek. :P |
| 23:38:16 | Neo|Work | PHP is not what you'd call "lite" |
| 23:38:23 | Neo|Work | unless you mean the FAQ. :) |
| 23:38:29 | NetAmp | uhm... yah |
| 23:38:33 | NetAmp | the FAQ |
| 23:38:34 | NetAmp | *lol* |
| 23:39:27 | kendrick2 | this is gonna rule |
| 23:39:41 | kendrick2 | neo - no, the PHP will be able to either do <img src='Foo' alt='Bar'> |
| 23:39:50 | kendrick2 | or, in text-only mode, it can just say 'Bar' |
| 23:39:54 | NetAmp | :D |
| 23:40:00 | kendrick2 | not yet, tho :) |
| 23:40:05 | Neo|Work | I know PHP pretty well actually. ;-) |
| 23:44:42 | kendrick2 | ok, all converted, macros in place |
| 23:44:45 | kendrick2 | time to make some GIFs |
| 23:44:49 | kendrick2 | i should move it into a subdir |
| 23:45:22 | kendrick2 | http://www.sonic.net/~nbs/zaurus-faq/ <- new URL |
| 23:45:35 | NetAmp | neat :D |
| 23:48:06 | kendrick2 | thanks, gimp,. for crashing x >:^( |
| 23:48:12 | NetAmp | :S |
| 23:52:46 | BigBoss | howdy all |
| 23:52:49 | BigBoss | I'm back from camping |
| 23:52:53 | BigBoss | what's new and exciting |
| 23:52:54 | kergoth | hey bigboss |
| 23:53:19 | kendrick2 | heya |
| 23:53:27 | NetAmp | hi |
| 23:53:35 | tux_mike | hey bb |
| 23:55:19 | tux_mike | we are doomed. doomed i tell you. |
| 23:55:23 | Neo|Work | oh, I made a very exciting ipk with top! ;-) |
| 23:56:36 | Neo|Work | just added top to his ipkg feed |
| 23:56:50 | NetAmp | :? |
| 23:57:01 | kendrick2 | http://www.sonic.net/~nbs/zaurus-faq/ |
| 23:57:04 | kendrick2 | check it out now :) |
| 23:57:33 | kendrick2 | i think i need to make those pictures of the keys smaller :^/ |
| 23:57:35 | Neo|Work | make the pics smaller |
| 23:57:38 | Neo|Work | right. :P |
| 23:57:43 | kergoth | Neo|Work: thats what i was about to say |
| 23:57:44 | NetAmp | tadadammmm Zaurus Frequently Asked Questions AND Answers! |
| 23:57:51 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:57:56 | kendrick2 | :) |
| 23:58:02 | kergoth | damnit busybox |
| 23:58:04 | kergoth | RUN |
| 23:58:25 | Neo|Work | if you feel like it, make them all rotated correctly (i.e not tilted) and remove the background |
| 23:58:27 | NetAmp | hrm those keys look pretty small |
| 23:58:45 | kendrick2 | sighs :) |
| 23:58:46 | kendrick2 | yeah yeah yeah |
| 23:58:55 | Neo|Work | hehe |
| 23:58:58 | Neo|Work | just suggestions |
| 23:59:04 | Neo|Work | I can help with that later perhaps |
| 23:59:49 | Neo|Work | is away: afk for a while |
