IRC log for #wowwiki on 20101009

00:00.43pcjressy: it was back in 09
00:00.49pcjthe russian wowwiki
00:08.36Ressyohh
00:25.06foxlitI like their vote.
00:25.14foxlitEspecially the "No!" comments.
00:27.43RessyAgainst! For the variety
00:27.44Ressylawl
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02:32.45CooobraThat's interesting ... [[golem]] doesn't seem to work anymore
02:32.46Dottedwww.wowwiki.com/golem
02:37.09pcjLOL
02:37.13pcjthey fucking broke it
02:37.20pcjwhen they made http://www.wikia.com/go
02:37.31pcjfucking retards
02:38.11pcjhttp://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Golem works for now
02:40.33Aikarwhats the requirements in order to gain rep off a mob? im 67 and not getting rep off blood furnacE (61) mobs
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02:41.47Cooobraah lol thankyou pcj
02:41.54Sky2042_afkkills Cooobra.
02:42.39Sky2042_afkBecause snakes must die.
02:42.49Cooobranevar
02:43.01pcjaikar http://www.wowwiki.com/Reputation#Gaining_and_losing_reputation
02:44.17Aikar"Doing quests at Thrallmar, running any of the Hellfire Citadel instances. "
02:44.26Aikarblood furnace is one, and its giving a 59 rep, but not me or an 80
02:44.49pcjBC dungeons may work differently, idk
02:45.02pcjare you sure you're not exalted?
02:45.03Aikarthen how am i gonna get exalted for recipes? :(
02:45.07Aikarim only 67 lol
02:45.11Aikarhalf way through honored
02:45.13pcjtry heroic?
02:45.48Aikari thought thats why 80's ran lowbies through these was for rep lol
02:45.58pcjidk
02:46.05pcjusually for gear/xp
02:46.24Aikari meant why the 80s took the time, if they dont get rep they arnt getting anyything
02:46.55pcji really don't know, i've been full exalted for those forever
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02:49.31pcjkd3, Sky2042_afk, donovan wants to meet again this weekend about the domain
02:50.04kd3what time's he have in mind? I work 1600-2100 EDT tomorrow
02:50.17Sky2042_afkI'm free whenever, though not on Monday evening.
02:50.19pcjhe just said sometime this weekend
02:50.27Cooobraback in the day you had to be revered to even do heroic modes with certain factions... so then you'd farm the place for whatever you wanted and be exalted by the time you left
02:50.51Sky2042_afkBack in the day, you had to be Honored with Hydraxian Waterlords.
02:51.23Cooobrabegins to sing "Those were the days"
02:54.22CooobraHEY... finally sky is back
02:55.00Sky2042Yeah, it went away. Surprise, you managed to not stop breathing during that time.
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03:17.18pcj:o
03:17.54Aikaro.o
03:19.01Sky2042Hmm.
03:20.09Sky2042hmm, anyone else have suggestions that they don't want to take flak for?
03:20.16Sky2042pokes pcj.
03:20.21pcjooh ooh do kb
03:20.28pcjactually
03:20.29Sky2042Yeah, can't -flags on +F
03:20.32pcji know
03:20.32Sky2042:|
03:20.36pcjwe may have to get another chan
03:20.59Sky2042Or we can ask him politely to let us have this one.
03:20.59charitwoYou guys realize your cloaks are tied to this channel and Wikia?
03:21.32Sky2042For the time being.
03:21.37charitwoIn Freenode's eyes anyway, not sure what wikia thinks
03:21.44Sky2042quotes Yoda.
03:22.02Sky2042Impossible to see, the future is.
03:22.23Aikarso you guys are gonna ditch wikia?
03:22.34pcjyeap
03:22.38Sky2042Aikar: It's heading that way.
03:22.46pcjthey would have to completely reverse their plans for us to do otherwise i'd say
03:23.01Aikarpicked a host? just curious to what you choosing
03:23.02charitwoThere's going to be 2 wowwikis now, one wherever these guys are going and another here at Wikia for the taking
03:23.10pcjsuits me
03:23.43Sky2042Aikar: Ish.
03:23.44Aikari know chari i was here the day it was talked bout :p
03:24.06charitwoyou're everywhere!!!
03:24.15Aikarwhat do you think i do at work?
03:24.22Aikarboss bitches at me for irc like every 10 min
03:24.34Aikarhe knows when im on it by how loud/fast i type on keyboard :(
03:24.42pcjget a silent keyboard
03:24.52Aikarits a nice keyboard lol
03:24.58Aikarthat would involve me buying one
03:25.13pcjtype casual
03:25.21Aikari dunno how to do that :p
03:25.27charitwotell him you're not irc'ing, you're coding
03:25.46Sky2042bahahaha.
03:26.02Aikaras a undead rogue enchanter, what faction would benefit me more aldor or scyer
03:26.05Aikarscryer
03:26.58Sky2042Aikar: As it so happens, we have a page that can tell you that!
03:27.10pcj*shrug* gear from either will be rapid replaced when you get into wotlk areas
03:27.10Sky2042http://www.wowwiki.com/Comparison_of_Aldor_and_Scryer_rewards
03:27.15Sky2042That too.
03:27.25Aikarno enchanting recipes?
03:27.33pcja few
03:27.36Sky2042^
03:27.39pcjnot often used in wotlk
03:30.18Aikarand you know, i wouldnt of known that exact name to look up the page, and mediawiki has the most horrible search engine :P which is why i just asked lol
03:30.32Sky2042Aikar: Googling "Scryer vs Aldor" would have got you to it.
03:30.34Sky2042:P
03:30.37Aikarlol
03:30.39Sky2042Or "Scryer and Aldor"
03:30.42Sky2042Yeah...
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12:33.58pcjhttp://community.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Mass_admin_vandalism_at_absurdopedia.wikia.com
12:34.00pcj*facepalm*
12:39.59Fiskerfacepcj
12:42.09pcja wild fisker appears
12:42.16pcjuses ban!
12:42.20pcjits super effective!
12:43.28Fiskerseems very ineffective
12:43.48Fiskerbtw remember if you join curse i outrank you
12:45.09pcjnah part of the conditions of us going over there is a restraining order against you
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12:45.52Fiskerhey g0urra
12:46.06Fiskeryou can't negotiate my terms of restraint pcj
12:46.56pcjtoo late
12:56.25pcjhttp://absurdopedia.wikia.com/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:Edward_Chernenko#JavaScript_redirect
12:56.32pcjhow absurd
13:02.10g0urra"Is there a problem in this wiki?"
13:02.12g0urrahrm
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13:36.20pcjhttp://www.wowwiki.com/__onedot?c=490&lc=en&x=wowwiki&y=&u=4133&a=131801&n=12&r=&cb=1286631346188
13:36.22pcj:(
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14:32.37g0urrahttp://www.wowwiki.com/__onedot?c=490&lc=en&x=wowwiki&y=&u=4133&a=131801&n=12&r=&cb=1286631346188 Fisker
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14:57.15Ressymorning
14:59.44pcjgood morning
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15:16.13g0urramorning
15:17.11pcjgood morning g0urra
15:17.35g0urraI was saying mornig to ressy :p
15:17.37g0urramorning*
15:17.42pcjold
15:18.54pcjhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGcTCJxnQuI
15:19.53g0urrapcj: oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
15:19.55g0urraooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
15:19.57g0urraoooooooooooooooooooooooold
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16:20.40pcjmmm
16:20.47pcjadys is a fansite op per WW:IRC
16:21.04Sky2042_afkhmm?
16:21.11Sky2042_afkOh.
16:21.12pcjhe works on mmo-c
16:21.13pcjsigrie
16:21.15Sky2042_afk:/
16:21.30Sky2042_afkI haven't actually looked at the page in a while.
16:21.43pcj"Notable contributors of the wiki and WoW-related fansite staff are 'voiced'. This just shows you to be a prolific member of the community and confers no powers."
16:22.01Sky2042_afk"Notable"
16:22.05pcjfansite staff
16:22.23Sky2042_afkThen notable only applies to the first part of the clause? Uh huh.
16:22.32pcjyep
16:22.40Sky2042_afk-.-
16:23.02Sky2042_afkwhatever
16:28.16Sky2042_afkhttp://calebelston.com/why-do-startups-fear-their-idea
16:28.27Sky2042_afkWe wouldn't know anyone with that problem.
16:29.19DrazisilI need to find a good place to learn project planning/management.
16:29.40Sky2042_afkDrazisil: Why so?
16:30.47DrazisilI tend to over-think things and get distracted. Lots of ideas, usually no clue how to advance on them...or in same cases, even get started
16:31.10Sky2042_afkhuh
16:32.24Drazisiljust a self observation that article brought to mind.
16:33.05Sky2042_afkI personally have the problem of having no ideas. Give me ideas to play with and organize, and I can do things...
16:33.23Sky2042_afkI'm creative, not generative.
16:33.24Sky2042_afk:3
16:33.48DrazisilHm, I'll keep that in mind.
16:34.33DrazisilI have the shell of a facebook replacement, if you want to play with that. lol
16:34.53Sky2042_afk:3
16:34.56Sky2042_afkI'll pass.
16:35.14DrazisilOtherwise I'm just trying to come up with some cool website that does something with the wowarmory that nobody has done yet
16:35.41DrazisilYah, I'm fairly stalled on that one too. It has a great domain name though.
16:36.28Sky2042_afkYou bought the domain already?
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16:37.27pcjthat reminds me, donovan wants to talk about the domain
16:37.36Sky2042_afkpcj: We know. You told us last night. )
16:37.38Sky2042_afk:)
16:37.40pcjoh
16:37.45pcji didn't tell g0urra
16:38.16DrazisilYes, http://amiko.me/
16:38.48Sky2042_afkOoo, I like that.
16:38.53pcjesperanto
16:38.56pcjhmm
16:40.01DrazisilYes, the only thing I really know about the site is I want it to be 100% localizable
16:45.39DrazisilThe other project (which I just remembered) is http://url2email.com/home.php
16:46.07pcjthats kind of cool i guess
16:46.07DrazisilBut I need to figure out the best way to do that.
16:46.26Sky2042_afkI can't see why I would need that product...
16:46.38Sky2042_afkMight be good for mobile sites.
16:46.38pcjyeah when theres stuff like del.icio.us
16:46.41DrazisilIt's mobile compatable, as far as I can see.
16:46.49Sky2042_afkMight be good as a mobile site*
16:47.16DrazisilI don't actually have a smart phone, but it looked good in the iphone emulator
16:47.25pcj:o
16:47.53Drazisilit mostly works, I just have to figure out how to deal with gmail and executables
16:48.07Drazisiland I kinda want it to turn web pages into pdfs
16:48.51Drazisilthe auto-detection is kinda a pain...very few sites seem to want to use mime is a sane manner.
16:48.56Drazisilin*
16:49.23DrazisilIt's not the best deomain, but I think it can be remembered.
16:50.07Fiskerhey pcj
16:50.22FiskerSky2042_afk being a douche again
16:50.24Fiskernot surprising :D
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16:51.22DrazisilDoes Fisker hate everybody? :p
16:51.33pcjyes
16:51.44Fiskernaw
16:51.45Fiskeri hate noone
16:51.47DrazisilI thought it was just g0urra he had a thing for.
16:52.04Sky2042_afkI just muted him.
16:52.13Drazisilhehe
16:52.27Sky2042_afkAbout a month ago, as it were.
16:53.49Fiskerlies
16:56.11Fiskerpcj why does Sky2042_afk always lie?
16:57.24pcjfisker stop insinuating such things about sky's mother
17:03.07pcjwowprimer?
17:05.26Drazisilwowprimer?
17:05.35pcj.com
17:07.20Drazisilah
17:07.27Drazisilinteresting
17:07.34pcjis it?
17:09.12Drazisilwe are a bit more in depth I think.
17:09.22Drazisilgood domain though
17:15.28pcjit works better than wowgrimoire.com
17:16.55DrazisilI like the one I registered :)
17:18.34pcjwhat was that
17:23.13Drazisilwarcraftwiki.org
17:24.34pcjoh pretty good yeah
17:32.52Fiskerwhat about Sky2042_afkwiki.org?
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18:53.35pcjhttp://meatballwiki.org/wiki/RightToFork
18:56.10Sky2042_afkOne of the few rights that are recognized in the wiki world.
18:56.14Sky2042_afkThe other being RightToVanish.
18:56.24Sky2042_afkinherent rights*
18:59.05pcjhttp://meatballwiki.org/wiki/RightToLeave
18:59.57Sky2042_afkd.
18:59.59Sky2042_afksd.
19:00.06pcjasd.
19:00.40Sky2042_afkASD
19:00.58pcjf
19:00.59g0urra<pcj> that reminds me, donovan wants to talk about the domain
19:01.07g0urraok but your last night is very early morning for me
19:01.13pcjthats what she said
19:01.21Sky2042_afklol
19:03.26g0urraso max 3pm PST
19:03.28g0urrajust so you know
19:04.11pcjindeed
19:04.28kd3hm?
19:04.44pcjhe's on atm
19:05.08g0urrathrow me an invite if you start something
19:05.20pcjpfft
19:09.11pcjkd3 if you get on msn we're talking to donovan and hubert
19:09.34kd3waits for pidgin to connect
19:11.17Ackispcj: ask for nudies
19:18.43pcjoh good g0urra's offline we can talk about him
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19:26.06g0urraconsiders changing http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Gourra/Deathwing to "This wiki was..."
19:29.37g0urra"CHUCK NORR15 USES WTF
19:29.37g0urra* As reported by dozens of honest WoW gamers"
19:29.38g0urra9_9
19:29.41g0urraWTFAST*
19:32.42pcjdo we want revisiondelete?
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19:32.47pcjsky: do we want revisiondelete?
19:33.27g0urrayesplx
19:33.34Sky2042I'm just going to go down the list on WM.
19:33.43Sky2042And see which ones I think are suited.
19:33.58pcjfine!
19:34.09Sky2042pcj hehe, but yes, i was thinking revdel++
19:35.56pcjrenameuser would be nice
19:38.06g0urraSky2042: WM?
19:38.10Sky2042wikimedia
19:38.14g0urrahrm
19:38.23pcjhmm?
19:39.28pcji wonder if mikk would make us a new logo :P
19:39.51g0urrahmm.
19:40.02Sky2042Pretty sure he would.
19:40.39g0urrahmm, why revdel when there's oversight
19:40.55Sky2042g0urra: oversight is a nasty way of deleting revisions.
19:41.10Sky2042revdel is much more suited, program wise.
19:41.25pcjSky2042: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:UploadBlacklist looks interesting, have you ever used it
19:41.49Sky2042I'm pretty sure that oversight deletes them completely, whereas revdel only deletes them from people who can view deleted revisions.
19:41.58Sky2042so stuff like id's don't break.
19:42.02Sky2042diff ids*
19:42.50pcjhttp://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Nuke would be nice
19:43.31pcjis there a non-wikia protectsite?
19:44.03g0urraSky2042: I see.
19:44.31Sky2042Yeah, oversight was a hackish way of doing 3 years ago what revdel does now.
19:44.33Sky2042:)
19:45.02Sky2042For the most part.
19:45.53g0urraRedirectOnAccountCreation?
19:45.58g0urra*shrugs*
19:47.34g0urraWhosOnline, might be useful
19:48.36pcjthe author is a wikia employee
19:48.41pcj._.
19:49.32Sky2042That's definitely not something I want.
19:49.40Sky2042Definitely creepy.
19:50.15Sky2042Do we want a <timeline> tag? They're hard to use, and I don't know that they would be used in a lot of places.
19:50.24pcjmeh
19:50.25Sky2042And when I say hard to use, I cry.
19:50.26Sky2042:(
19:50.33pcjthen why would we want one :P
19:50.37Sky2042Just asking.
19:50.38Sky2042:P
19:50.47pcjif we suddenly get a lot of timeline pages then maybe
19:50.50pcjnow we only have a couple
19:51.28Sky2042mmhmm
19:51.34Sky2042well, I wasn't really thinking those pages.
19:51.41Sky2042I was thinking more like real-life timelines.
19:51.55pcjbecause we have so many of those
19:52.08Sky2042I know.
19:52.09Sky2042:P
19:53.20pcjhttp://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Gadgets might be nice
19:54.02Sky2042It's actually installed on our wiki, I think.
19:54.19Sky2042though i'm not bothered to look at exactly now.
19:54.26g0urranice
19:54.56g0urrathere's nothing on it, though
19:55.19Sky2042no, gadgets isn't on ours currently.
19:56.16Sky2042do we want people to be able to upload tiffs or pdfs and then --be able to view them in the file namespace--?
19:56.21Sky2042Probably not tiffs.
19:56.23Sky2042But pdfs?
19:56.47pcjthat would encourage people to upload illegal scans of warcraft books
19:56.51Sky2042Touche.
20:00.26pcjflaggedrevs might be cool in the future
20:00.28Sky2042Do we want to open the wiki to anon editing? We tried it, but I don't recall if we decided we liked it or not.
20:00.39pcjif we liked it then why did we get it turned back off :P
20:00.47pcjno it didn't work for us
20:01.08pcjit might be an idea to bring in more people though
20:01.08pcjidk
20:01.10Sky2042Or we decided it didn't work for us? :P
20:01.12Sky2042Indeed.
20:01.42pcja lot of people complaining about wikia registration
20:01.44pcjso idk
20:02.16pcjheh strizh wants poem
20:02.42Sky2042I want poem.
20:02.44Sky2042:P
20:02.51pcji want <haiku>
20:03.24Sky2042kicks pcj.
20:03.51g0urraI want <sudoku>
20:04.01Sky2042sighs.
20:05.11pcjhuh donovan bought the domain personally
20:05.26g0urrahuh
20:05.59Sky2042hmm.
20:06.02Sky2042That's interesting.
20:06.10Sky2042Draz left too.
20:06.24pcjwtg Sky2042
20:09.22Ressyrevision delete is very useful.
20:10.58Sky2042http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:OpenSearchXml yes no maybe?
20:12.06g0urramaybe
20:12.18pcjsure
20:13.21Sky2042We can't use vector on 1.16, actually.
20:13.25Sky2042http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Vector
20:13.43Sky2042Oh, wait, nvm.
20:14.09pcj/pat
20:14.48Sky2042kicks pcj.
20:18.53Sky2042We don't have title blacklist, but might it come in handy?
20:19.19pcjwe /had/ title blacklist
20:19.24pcjthey replaced it with phalanx
20:19.31pcjthen i poked them and i think they re-worked it
20:19.44pcjand its already on kd3's list :P
20:20.04Sky2042I'm just going down the WM list of potentials.
20:20.06Sky2042:P
20:20.11Sky2042s/of/for/
20:20.18pcjfine!
20:20.40pcjogghandler might be nice
20:20.51pcji was thinking about starting a "listen to this article" project
20:20.53Sky2042We have a handful of oggs on wiki already.
20:20.58Sky2042That would be cool.
20:22.01pcjare you adding these or just agreeing?
20:22.23Sky2042"these"?
20:22.38Ressylisten to this article?
20:22.48pcjlike on wikipedia
20:22.58pcjSky2042: what we're talking about in IRC
20:23.16Sky2042pcj: Be explicit, please.
20:23.57pcjogghandler, opensearch, flaggedrevs
20:24.23Sky2042I'm adding them.
20:24.32pcjfine
20:24.46Sky2042well, not flaggedrevs. I skipped over them because I wasn't real sure about current application for them.
20:24.53pcjyeah
20:27.56Sky2042Do we want the Facebook connect plugin?
20:28.07Sky2042That's actually non-Wikia.
20:28.08Ressyugh
20:28.29Ressywell, it would make it easy to 'share' an article with other wow friends.
20:29.18g0urrawow friends is an oxymoron
20:29.27Ressylol
20:29.33pcjlets get a real id plugin
20:29.41pcjand then make people register using their real names
20:29.42g0urraneat.
20:29.50Ressyme snickers
20:29.52Ressydamnit
20:30.05pcjnicely done ressy
20:30.13Ressythx.
20:30.24pcjnp
20:30.37Sky2042hehehehe
20:30.42pcjwhat
20:30.52Sky2042real id plugin.
20:31.08pcjoh
20:34.21Sky2042what's that special page with all the tags we use listed?
20:34.38pcjSpecial:Version
20:34.56pcjoh you mean to find the tags in use?
20:34.59Sky2042Yeah
20:35.15pcjhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Special:TagsReport
20:35.52Fiskeri love you pcj
20:36.56pcjbtw i've registered the new wiki name IRC channel
20:37.00pcjjust in case :P
20:37.12Sky2042just in case.
20:37.31Fiskerjust in Sky2042
20:38.02Sky2042Variables?
20:38.16Sky2042we use that?
20:38.34pcjyes
20:38.40pcjdid you even read the centralauth description?
20:39.14Sky2042Yup. Unless you want to do it the hard way, which is basically what Wikia did.
20:39.25pcj"If you are starting a new wiki farm from scratch and have no need to merge existing accounts into a global table, it is much easier to set up global accounts using $wgSharedDB."
20:39.31Sky2042Which is what Wikia did.
20:39.40pcjthen why does it say it is easier :S
20:40.07Sky2042Because they probably aren't talking about renaming users when they say it's easier. :S
20:40.35pcjhmm
20:40.40pcjits possible
20:40.42Sky2042And do we really want RSS feed?
20:40.49pcjwe use it on the portals
20:40.54pcjit works like shit
20:41.11Sky2042Then let's get rid of it.
20:41.12pcjofc the wikia version is out of date
20:41.17Sky2042And youtube of course.
20:41.26Sky2042's master plan.
20:41.36pcjwhy torblock?
20:41.52Sky2042YouNeverKnow.jpg
20:42.05Sky2042But both WM and Wikia use it by default.
20:42.24Sky2042Tor is extraordinarily difficult to deal with by using manual blocking.
20:43.33pcjstring functions is in parserfunctions in 1.16
20:44.39Sky2042WM has Strings turned off then.
20:44.51Sky2042Was a security hazard, last I heard.
20:45.15Sky2042No
20:45.54Sky2042Never mind that explanation. It was basically the Wikimedia techs QQing about the extension.
20:46.04pcjlolol
20:46.09Sky2042Yeah...
20:46.21Sky2042Let me go pull up the bug for it.
20:46.30pcjshould we get a bugzilla set up or something like that
20:47.18Sky2042Do we need to? Most of the stuff we do goes through community channels on-wiki.
20:47.47pcj's true
20:47.53pcjwe'll be losing problemreports though
20:47.59Sky2042Mmhmm.
20:48.05Sky2042Bugzilla won't help with that type of thing though.
20:48.45Sky2042We might want to poke around to see if problem reports has an equivalent extension.
20:49.27Sky2042Um...
20:49.45Sky2042Oh, I did want a mailing list or two, actually.
20:51.14Sky2042kd3: I'm tweaking your question.
20:51.24Sky2042"What do we need?" -> "What do we want?"
20:52.24Fiskerbtw Sky2042
20:52.34Fiskerwouldn't it suck when i outrank you when you change to curse?
20:55.00Sky2042pcj: The actual bug. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6455
20:55.10pcjdun dun DUN
20:55.31Sky2042Have fun reading the 80+ comments.
20:55.33Sky2042:D
20:56.25pcji've already seen this bug :P
20:57.04Sky2042You might have.
20:57.07pcji did
21:01.22Sky2042now, done with that page.
21:01.47pcjfinally
21:04.53Sky2042Hmm...
21:05.15pcjHMM
21:08.56Sky2042Um, what other config things do we need to ensure are special?
21:09.17pcjwe need to figure out the admin structure
21:09.26pcjprobably kb is gone
21:09.26Sky2042How so?
21:09.31g0urraehehe.
21:09.34pcjso that leaves us one bureaucrat
21:09.43Sky2042One bureau isn't really a problem.
21:09.43g0urrameme.
21:09.45Sky2042For the moment.
21:09.59g0urras/em/e m/
21:10.03Sky2042g0urra: No.
21:10.14pcjok
21:10.25g0urraSky2042: give me a good reason why not to
21:10.29Sky2042I was thinking technical config things.
21:10.37Sky2042g0urra: You're g0urra. That's not enough?
21:10.43g0urrano
21:11.01pcjg0urra you're swedish which is too close to danish
21:11.10Sky2042I know there are a couple config things we use for navbox which I'm going to need to hunt down.
21:11.30Sky2042What an irony.
21:11.47pcjwhat
21:11.54Sky2042Our new name will need a new project heading, and hence a new shortcut.
21:12.04pcjWP
21:12.10pcjfixed
21:12.23Sky2042We should create the shortcut before creating the redirects.
21:12.25Sky2042Btw.
21:12.35Sky2042pcj: And, yes, that's why I said, some irony.
21:12.36Sky2042P
21:12.38Sky2042:P
21:12.40pcjcan we make quest a normal namespace or just figure out what we're going to do
21:13.05g0urraI vote for quest namespace
21:13.08Sky2042We could, in the transition, but I still want to get rid of it.
21:13.30Sky2042Oooooooooooooh
21:13.32pcjif we keep the quest it needs to be a namespace
21:13.37pcji would rather get rid of the quest though
21:13.48g0urrawhy
21:13.50Sky2042Defend why it needs a namespace.
21:14.00g0urrasearch results
21:14.02g0urraTalk:Quest:
21:14.04g0urraetc
21:14.10Sky2042g0urra: So?
21:14.15pcjthat doesnt defend it having a separate namespace ...
21:14.19pcjitems dont have a separate namespace
21:14.20Sky2042^
21:14.28pcjachievements dont have separate namespaces
21:14.29Sky2042Er, to pcj's first statement.
21:14.32Sky2042Not to his 2nd.
21:14.40pcjSky2042 hates the second one
21:14.45Sky2042Though the second statement is a useful note.
21:14.47Sky2042pcj: ^_^
21:15.19g0urradefend why it doesn't need a namespace
21:15.25pcjconsistency
21:15.36Fiskerg0urra
21:15.38Sky2042And because it's content.
21:15.48Sky2042We should strive to keep all content in the content namespace.
21:16.09Sky2042Official content, mind you.
21:16.33pcjwhat about a fanfic namespace while we're at it
21:16.41Sky2042Ew, no.
21:16.52pcjwe have a lot of unofficial content in the main namespace :P
21:16.56Sky2042o.o
21:16.58Sky2042We do?
21:17.01g0urra^
21:17.03pcjiirc
21:17.05Sky2042Enlighten me.
21:17.20pcjdamn if i can remember the names of any of it
21:17.21Sky2042needs a haircut.
21:17.49pcjyou should probably get more than one cut
21:18.21Sky2042I don't want to die and I don't need a wrist cut.
21:18.26Sky2042And I don't want down there cut either.
21:18.28Sky2042Kthx.
21:19.22g0urra...
21:19.37Sky2042Oh, tmi? I'm sorry, g0urra. I thought you would understand.
21:21.19Sky2042Hmm.
21:21.21pcjhmm
21:21.25g0urrahmm.
21:21.30Sky2042Do we want to merge guilds to the server namespace?
21:21.45Sky2042Hell, even rename "server" to "realm"?
21:22.09pcjIt would probably make more sense, then we could police groups of guilds in the same way
21:22.18pcjyou mean as subpages of the realm right?
21:22.29Sky2042mmhmm
21:22.52g0urradoesn't work if a guild is called the same as a player character
21:23.05pcjdisambiguation!
21:23.11g0urrabarfs
21:23.15pcjvomits on g0urra
21:23.17Sky2042with preference to the guild, imo.
21:23.36pcjalso how often does that happen
21:23.44pcjwho is that conceited :P
21:24.10g0urraand "we" does not mean just three
21:24.17g0urraI for one like how the namespaces are now
21:24.21g0urra50/50 on quest
21:24.54pcjmove half of the quest pages to the main namespace and keep the other half there?
21:24.57Sky2042:D
21:25.00g0urraof course.
21:25.08pcji am sure that would not be confusing
21:25.54Sky2042Hmm, not sure about Nuke now.
21:25.57pcj:o
21:26.02g0urraI was 50/50 on making it a namespace or keeping it as it is now
21:26.15g0urramoving the quest names to main namespace is a big no for me
21:26.20pcj:o
21:26.45g0urrahey Fisker, don't leave pcj hanging
21:26.52g0urrahe's waiting for you
21:27.15Sky2042http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DeleteBatch might be more useful.
21:27.55pcj*shrug* they're not exclusive
21:28.36Sky2042Not mutually exclusive.
21:28.45pcji would say nuke would be more useful if we enabled IP editing
21:28.52Sky2042Nuke's only useful for deletion of recently created articles.
21:28.59Sky2042Would we enable ip creation though?
21:29.09pcjsomething to talk abou
21:29.10pcjt
21:29.19pcji'm not against trying it for at least a short period
21:30.00Sky2042Are we going to have someone with root access or something? I wouldn't want to bother the guys hosting us. :/
21:30.11Sky2042When we do want to try these sorts of things.
21:30.31pcji talked to hubert about it, he said they'd be willing to go either way
21:30.43pcjright now they're going to assign an engineer to help us though
21:30.45Sky2042mmhmm
21:30.56pcjwhich is i think donovan
21:32.57pcjonce we get set up we shouldn't have to make too many changes i would hope
21:36.58Sky2042mmhmm
21:37.30Sky2042which doesn't mean it would be a bad thing to have someone on hand from our side to tweak things, since we are fairly self-sufficient
21:37.39Sky2042Part of the reason our current overlords are at issue...
21:37.57pcjfor sure
21:40.37Fiskeroverlords?
21:40.44FiskerI thought this was a warcraft wiki
21:41.04Sky2042One of the other things I don't really like about our future overlords would be the ginormous page footer.
21:41.05Sky2042Blgh.
21:41.11Fiskerg0urra pcj isn't my dick so why would i leave him hanging?
21:41.11Alramthis isnt FiskerWiki?
21:41.14Alramoh :(
21:41.29Sky2042No, no it's not.
21:41.30Fiskeryour feet are kinda huge too Sky2042
21:41.32pcjSky2042: better than a ginormous page header
21:41.39Sky2042-_-
21:42.10pcjalso curse hasn't put its footer on all of its wikis
21:42.33Sky2042From what I understood looking at a few other sites it was that the footer was for the large sites...
21:42.42Sky2042A few other wikis talking about leaving wikia*
21:42.55Sky2042We are probably a large wiki.
21:42.57Sky2042>.>
21:44.38Fiskeryeeeees
21:44.41pcji just hope they put us on there
21:44.44Fiskeryou will be my minions
21:44.46pcjthey didn't add mmo-champion
21:44.54Sky2042hahaha
21:45.01Sky2042Bibi`: How do you feel about that?
21:45.11Sky2042Still sore? :P
21:45.24Fiskersore about what?
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21:45.38Fiskerno not that
21:45.55Sky2042I'm so glad I can't see what he's saying, or else I think I might have banned him by now..
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21:48.27pcjIf we're using monobook/quartz we'll probably want to review navigation
21:48.40Sky2042And I'm also thinking about user rights too, from the technical side.
21:48.43Sky2042Hmm?
21:48.52pcjthe menus
21:48.58pcjmost users use monaco
21:49.11pcjthe wowwiki menus are a bit out of date
21:50.03pcjyeah we'll be a large wiki
21:50.10pcjcurse's largest wiki has just over 10000 pages
21:54.53Sky2042http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Delete_me_from_Wikia
21:55.19g0urrapcj: what needs to be updated
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21:56.57Sky2042pcj: Donovan is a CM.
21:57.11Sky2042Don't think he's an actual engineer.
21:57.17Sky2042Just manages the people doing that work.
22:03.45pcjoh
22:04.04Sky2042Though he might be able to perform some of the technical stuff. I don't actually know.
22:04.09Sky2042is inferring from a few comments elsewhere.
22:04.26pcjconsidering he's doing the setup and stuff for us
22:04.49pcjwe might *shock* ask him
22:05.01Sky2042pcj: :P
22:06.18pcjhttp://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=D-1000&rcid=2412613
22:06.18pcjgosh he got far
22:06.59Sky2042hahahaha
22:10.37Sky2042I think we should coordinate the 'press release' with the roll out date for Wikia.css.
22:11.05pcjhmm?
22:11.12pcjyou mean the mandatory date?
22:11.15Sky2042mmhmm
22:11.21Sky2042unless you want to get announcements out earlier?
22:11.23pcjwe were going to do it before blizzcon
22:11.31pcji think the anonymous roll-out date would be better
22:11.33Sky2042which is a week from here?
22:11.56pcjNot entirely unfeasible
22:12.21pcjand it's in roughly 2 weeks
22:12.36Sky2042BlizzCon is two weeks. When is the rollout?
22:12.42pcjthe anonymous rollout is the 20th
22:12.52pcjmonaco is removed november 3rd
22:12.55Sky2042Hmm.
22:13.36Sky2042The other fansites might be feeling busy if we poke them before the rollout.
22:13.57pcjIt would be just a few pre-Blizzcon leaks
22:14.02pcjwhich in expansion year shouldn't be much
22:14.31Sky2042mmhmm
22:14.59pcji think the "calm before the storm" would be the ideal place to do it
22:15.07pcjpeople getting excited for blizzcon, spamming refresh looking for leaks
22:15.11pcjnot much really going on
22:15.33Sky2042Which means we need to tell those fansites basically now.
22:15.46pcjwell i'm pretty sure the curse sites are covered
22:16.14pcjthat leaves wowinsider and maybe wowhead afaic
22:16.27Sky2042And community spotlight.
22:16.30pcjoh right
22:16.34pcjwe already alerted blizzard though
22:16.37pcjso
22:16.37Sky2042mmhmm.
22:16.47Sky2042I can prolly talk to Malgayne if necessary.
22:16.53g0urraI wonder if kd3 has anything
22:16.55g0urrapokes kd3
22:16.58pcjhe's working
22:17.01Sky2042^
22:17.06g0urrahrm
22:17.20Sky2042Someone tell draz to redirect warcraftwiki.org when he gets the chance.
22:17.46Sky2042He already redirected it to wowwiki.com, which is where it shouldn't pointing, hahaha.
22:17.56pcjit's fine for now...
22:18.00pcjits not like people are going there
22:18.06Sky2042>.>
22:18.20pcjonce we get the new site set up sure :P
22:18.44pcjspeaking of which looks like donovan's done something anyway
22:21.19Sky2042pcj: hmm?
22:21.19pcjshould we develop a "press release"?
22:21.27pcjSky2042: he's changed the name servers :P
22:21.40Sky2042Nah, we don't want something generic.
22:21.42Alram20 October 2010 - WoWWiki has moved hosts.
22:21.43AlramVoila!
22:21.49Sky2042Alram: lol
22:22.05Sky2042Probably a paragraph, and then let them decide how to work around what we write.
22:22.33pcjwe should probably tell, you know, wowwiki :P
22:22.40Sky2042pcj: shhhhhhhhhhh.
22:22.53Sky2042We don't want to do that...
22:23.42Sky2042Now I remember why I left #wowhead.
22:23.44Sky2042x.x
22:23.51Sky2042As in, the channel.
22:32.01Sky2042pcj: Get back to your talk page spam.
22:32.08pcjlol
22:33.04pcjwikia disabled some of its user activity lists
22:33.09g0urralolwat
22:33.20pcjeither that or they bugged
22:33.24pcjwhich isn't unheard of
22:33.34Sky2042pcj: So, go down the list of contributors in RC. :P
22:33.46pcjmost of them are the same
22:33.59Sky2042I just clicked on one that wasn't.
22:34.02Sky2042You lie!
22:34.10pcjfine
22:34.18pcjhey Sky2042 since you're already there you talk to them
22:34.25Sky2042But I'm not anymore.
22:34.26Sky2042Hahahaha
22:34.30Sky2042And I want food. :3
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23:10.30pcjgosh dang it we'll have to change the wwclub image too :P
23:10.41g0urraohgod.
23:11.12g0urraor we can just be cheap and say "hey even though the domain name is different we have the same name of our wiki"
23:11.18g0urrapoints at starwars.wikia
23:11.38pcjthat would get confusing
23:12.06g0urrawhy
23:13.04pcjpeople would think wowwiki when they see us
23:13.25pcjand then say to their fellow players "oh go look up this strategy up on wowwiki - oh wait is it wowpedia - oh well"
23:13.35pcjwe need to be consistent
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23:15.53g0urraeh
23:16.02g0urrabug fandyllic about it then
23:16.06pcjok
23:16.11pcjor just make new ones :P
23:16.25dolseniall the customers at work were talking about wow today... its making me want to start playing again
23:16.30pcjcool
23:16.46pcjyou might want to wait until patch 4.0.1 comes out
23:16.54pcjotherwise you're going to get in and a bunch is going to change
23:16.59dolseniheh
23:17.12pcjbut that should be this week or so
23:17.15dolseniall i'd do before cata is get the BoA gear anyway
23:17.18pcjyeah
23:17.24dolsenimaybe decide what class I want to play in cata
23:17.38g0urrafury warrior
23:17.47pcjlol
23:17.58dolsenii can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not
23:18.00dolseniso much has changed =(
23:18.01g0urraI'm not
23:18.13g0urrapcj did you play a fury warrior in beta
23:18.18g0urrathey are actually fun to play now
23:18.28pcjmeh i have a paladin
23:18.45dolsenii have a pally too, although its a blood elf...
23:18.49pcjfail
23:19.00pcjchange it to tauren
23:19.01dolsenii HAD to be a BE =(
23:20.00dolsenii find it funny how I downloaded the installer (the exe file)
23:20.06dolseniand somewhere I already have the info
23:20.13dolsenibecause it just started installing, nothing to dl
23:20.21pcjlol did you already re-up your sub?
23:20.23dolseniobviously there will be patches, but yeah
23:20.26dolsenino
23:20.30pcjhow long have you been gone
23:20.33dolsenii'm hoping I can talk myself out of it
23:20.41pcjdo you want a scroll of resurrection :P
23:20.52dolseniyou're not helping me talk myself out of it
23:20.56g0urralol
23:21.08dolsenibut yeah, i'd love a scroll
23:21.19pcjare you in the US?
23:21.20dolseniplus don't you get a free month or something after I pay for it?
23:21.23dolseniyep
23:21.31pcjyes i do
23:21.35pcjyou've been gone over 90 days right
23:21.40g0urrathat's the only reason he does it
23:21.41dolsenioh yea
23:21.43dolsenih
23:21.44g0urraselfish bastard
23:21.51pcjhaha
23:21.52pcjwhy not
23:21.55pcjif he's going to do it anyway
23:22.00dolseniyeah
23:23.15pcjsuccess!
23:23.18dolsenihow long does a scroll last anyway? 1 week is what i seem to recall
23:23.27pcjyou get 10 days free time
23:23.37dolsenimkay
23:23.55pcjhttp://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=20592
23:24.52dolseniNote:  You may only send a Scroll of Resurrection to World of Warcraft accounts that have NOT been upgraded to Wrath of the Lich King.
23:24.59dolsenii'm assuming that is outdated?
23:25.14pcjidk
23:25.22pcjits been awhile since i've done it
23:26.46dolseniwell its now downloading stuff
23:26.53dolseniso I guess i only had a little bit locally
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23:28.40pcjlol
23:28.48pcjtheres a lot of cataclysm stuff coming down the pipe
23:28.56dolsenihmm did they get rid of the torrent downloader/installer? this is getting sloooow
23:30.18dolsenii'm excited about the 1-60 world changing
23:30.51pcjthe wotlk stuff still uses the same old downloader
23:31.00pcjcataclysm will introduce a new installer that seems to work better
23:31.14dolsenilol it was downloading Shade of Aran's sound files... reminds me of the aran chant
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23:31.44dolseniI will not move while flame wreath is cast or the raid blows up
23:32.06dolsenibah, roommate got home, gonna have to put on some pants
23:32.34g0urra..o_O
23:32.55pcjg0urra: most people wear pants
23:33.11g0urrareally.
23:33.16pcjyes
23:39.24Cooobraunless they don't have legs
23:39.58Cooobraas a snake, i only wear a sleeve
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23:58.54dolsenipants are overrated

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