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| 03:15.50 | Ressy | http://community.wikia.com/wiki/File:Screen_shot_2010-10-03_at_10.37.11_PM.png |
| 03:46.42 | Jamash | blizzard can't spell |
| 03:47.10 | Jamash | LEVEL_UP_EVENTS[40][1] = "DuelSpec" |
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| 04:04.27 | Jamash | hmm, you can use functions as table indices, interesting |
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| 05:55.09 | Jamash | where should I put updates to cata API Events? |
| 05:56.28 | Fisker | in kd3 |
| 05:56.33 | Fisker | i heard he likes them |
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| 05:56.52 | Fisker | hey g0urra |
| 05:56.58 | Fisker | why do you suddenly appear everytime i am near? |
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| 07:21.54 | g0urra | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:WoWWiki-Bexy |
| 07:21.55 | g0urra | . _. |
| 07:25.38 | Eraclito | [[Category:Humans]] |
| 07:25.39 | Eraclito | lol |
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| 07:31.39 | g0urra | yeah I lol'd at that |
| 07:41.12 | Fisker | i'm out of reach g0urra |
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| 13:34.58 | Ressy | morning |
| 13:36.14 | g0urra | morning |
| 13:36.45 | pcj | morning |
| 13:36.48 | pcj | http://news.cnet.com/8301-27083_3-20017344-247.html |
| 13:37.26 | pcj | http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.00d3a788da59b4d2dfdc54a9f9881671.5d1&show_article=1 |
| 13:40.02 | pcj | http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2010/10/04/logitech-steps-up-with-google-tv-conferencing/?mod=rss_WSJBlog |
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| 13:45.40 | pcj | http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20101004005785/en/World-Warcraft%C2%AE-Cataclysm%E2%84%A2-Stores-Starting-December-7 |
| 13:46.37 | Ressy | bout time they officially announced it. |
| 13:49.39 | g0urra | gg pcj |
| 13:49.42 | g0urra | http://eu.blizzard.com/en-gb/company/press/pressreleases.html?101004 |
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| 14:27.11 | Ackis | announced what? that wow is ending because it's a bad game? |
| 14:27.45 | pcj_2 | :o |
| 14:27.49 | Ressy | release date of cata |
| 14:28.31 | Ackis | oh |
| 14:28.32 | Ackis | pity |
| 14:28.43 | pcj_2 | ackis sucks |
| 14:28.52 | Ackis | om nom nom nom |
| 14:33.40 | Ressy | anyone else find the blizzard-created notices for procs underwhelming? |
| 14:33.46 | Fisker | hey Ackis |
| 14:33.50 | Fisker | you are a bad person |
| 14:37.02 | pcj_2 | ressy: surely they're implemented in the API as well so there can be nice-looking addons though |
| 14:37.48 | Ressy | I'm already using an addon.. |
| 14:38.12 | Ressy | I disabled it hoping to try the blizz ones.. |
| 14:38.22 | Ressy | but it doesn't really catch much. :\ |
| 14:38.28 | pcj_2 | meh |
| 14:40.17 | Ressy | Using power auras.. old but still great |
| 14:42.36 | pcj_2 | yeap |
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| 14:48.28 | *** topic/#wowwiki by pcj_2 -> Welcome to #wowwiki, please read http://wowwiki.com/WW:IRC | UI&Macros: #wowuidev | Countervandalism: #cvn-wikia-wowwiki | http://www.wowwiki.com/Forum:Should_WoWWiki_leave_Wikia%3F |
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| 15:02.42 | pcj_2 | wow amazon is being helpful, look at "frequently bought together" http://www.amazon.com/Alera-SR41LS10B-High-Back-Leather-Upholstery/dp/B001MS6QE8/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1286204403&sr=8-2 |
| 15:04.48 | Ressy | LOL |
| 15:05.14 | Ressy | who knows. |
| 15:05.27 | Ressy | Businessmen buy a chair, and then condoms for a quicky withtheir secretary? |
| 15:05.33 | pcj_2 | i guess |
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| 16:14.10 | g0urra | "Kirkburn [...] Very active on IRC." |
| 16:14.11 | g0urra | hah |
| 16:23.06 | pcj_2 | g0urra: a'noob needs to be added to the list |
| 16:23.20 | Fisker | "g0urra [...] jerk" |
| 16:50.40 | pcj_2 | http://www.google.com/tv/index.html |
| 17:07.49 | g0urra | "This is gonna be legen wait for it dary!" |
| 17:07.50 | g0urra | what |
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| 17:08.21 | pcj_2 | ok |
| 17:08.53 | g0urra | no pcj |
| 17:08.54 | g0urra | it's not ok |
| 17:10.38 | pcj_2 | :'( |
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| 17:32.35 | Fisker | no g0urra |
| 17:32.40 | Fisker | it's not not ok |
| 17:33.00 | g0urra | Fisker |
| 17:33.02 | Fisker | g0urra |
| 17:33.03 | g0urra | your mom is not ok |
| 17:33.17 | Fisker | not not ok g0urra |
| 17:33.20 | Fisker | bye |
| 17:33.22 | Fisker | JERK |
| 17:34.08 | pcj_2 | is he gone |
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| 17:41.12 | pcj_2 | http://research.microsoft.com/apps/video/default.aspx?id=139046 |
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| 17:51.25 | pcj_2 | http://www.cnbc.com/id/39441178 |
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| 18:15.29 | Fisker | no g0urra |
| 18:15.32 | Fisker | i'm not gone |
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| 18:43.38 | Ressy | pcj_2: see the latest post by sannse? |
| 18:44.43 | kd3|netbook | ooh, sans just posted |
| 18:44.49 | kd3|netbook | bah, slow kd3 |
| 18:45.36 | kd3|netbook | nothing substantive, however |
| 18:45.52 | pcj_2 | yeah not much to it |
| 18:46.59 | Sky2042 | Sigh. |
| 18:49.27 | Sky2042 | She re'd again. |
| 18:49.42 | Sky2042 | But about the ads. |
| 18:50.41 | Ressy | whoa. I thought wow-achievements.com died.. |
| 18:52.24 | g0urra | and I commented her comment |
| 18:53.06 | kd3|netbook | >.> |
| 18:53.06 | Ressy | snickers |
| 18:53.25 | Sky2042 | chides g0urra. |
| 18:53.26 | Sky2042 | That's not helpful. |
| 18:53.33 | g0urra | reaaaaaaaally |
| 18:53.34 | kd3|netbook | funny though |
| 18:53.44 | Sky2042 | And I'm half-minded to remove it, actually. |
| 18:54.13 | g0urra | sure, then she won't have to answer to it |
| 18:54.40 | Sky2042 | Because your accusation is probably not a good one to make. |
| 18:54.45 | Sky2042 | DRP. |
| 18:54.52 | g0urra | derp |
| 18:55.23 | pcj_2 | she'll likely just ignore it anyway |
| 19:14.39 | pcj_2 | http://help.wikia.com/index.php?title=Help:MediaWiki_namespace&diff=18803&oldid=11320 |
| 19:14.42 | pcj_2 | this bodes well |
| 19:14.58 | Sky2042 | Uh, that looks like a fail. |
| 19:16.27 | pcj_2 | except they're defending it |
| 19:16.28 | pcj_2 | http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Editor_moved_all_help_pages |
| 19:16.34 | Ressy | uh, looks like wikia.css on wowwiki isn't being loaded |
| 19:17.03 | pcj_2 | its not just wowwiki |
| 19:17.10 | Ressy | nice. |
| 19:17.14 | kd3|netbook | >.< |
| 19:17.33 | Ressy | can wikia fail any harder at this point |
| 19:17.52 | pcj_2 | yeah they could lose all the wiki's data |
| 19:17.55 | pcj_2 | and not have a backup |
| 19:17.58 | pcj_2 | i think that's about it |
| 19:18.16 | Ressy | I'm sure kd3 has a backup... |
| 19:18.17 | Sky2042 | pcj: What this means is that we can remove the "con" about leaving the help pages behind. |
| 19:18.20 | Sky2042 | :3 |
| 19:18.48 | pcj_2 | well i have the most recent db dump |
| 19:18.50 | pcj_2 | not the images though |
| 19:19.01 | pcj_2 | but i was just saying thats one way they could fail harder |
| 19:19.01 | kd3|netbook | I put in a special:contact for the images |
| 19:19.11 | kd3|netbook | and yah, I've got a copy of the full db dump too |
| 19:19.13 | pcj_2 | ill probably bug crucially too |
| 19:26.47 | g0urra | http://help.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Expert_zone |
| 19:26.48 | g0urra | so expert |
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| 19:32.48 | g0urra | and wtg uberfuzzy |
| 19:34.58 | Ressy | lol |
| 19:37.41 | g0urra | I'm not surprised they're removing this http://help.wikia.com/index.php?title=Help:Edit_toolbar&oldid=10608 |
| 19:37.48 | g0urra | probably going to remove it with oasis/wikia |
| 19:38.00 | Ressy | o.O |
| 19:38.11 | Ressy | so much for making it easier to edit for new users. |
| 19:38.14 | g0urra | and replace it with something else |
| 19:38.16 | Sky2042 | g0urra: No, enhance it. |
| 19:38.23 | Sky2042 | In quotation marks. |
| 19:38.36 | g0urra | enhance "it" |
| 19:38.37 | g0urra | gotcha |
| 19:39.01 | Sky2042 | sighs. |
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| 19:40.47 | Sky2042 | checks the access flags in the channel. |
| 19:41.24 | Ressy | Anyone read this: http://community.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_blog_comment:Susan_Taylor/Fixed_Width,_Sidebar,_and_the_Removal_of_Monaco/@comment-Chimpso-20101004044341/@comment-TurtleShroom-20101004192852&oldid=567447 |
| 19:41.43 | Ressy | it was in response to someone saying to delete all pages on the wiki, and have an admin randomly edit a page once a week. |
| 19:42.08 | Ressy | (to prevent adoption) |
| 19:42.25 | Sky2042 | We've said exactly that prior. |
| 19:42.36 | Sky2042 | But Wikia just comes in and deadmins us. |
| 19:42.43 | Sky2042 | Thereby forcing the situation. |
| 19:43.07 | Sky2042 | We can overcome the GoogleFu, it's the ContributorFu that we'll need to pull from Wikia. |
| 19:43.15 | Sky2042 | And that is very easily done. |
| 19:43.30 | pcj_2 | http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Susan_Taylor/Fixed_Width,_Sidebar,_and_the_Removal_of_Monaco#comm-260766 in context |
| 19:43.30 | Ressy | mass email to users? |
| 19:43.51 | Ressy | thx pcj |
| 19:44.17 | Sky2042 | Ressy: And spamming talk pages. |
| 19:44.19 | Sky2042 | And sitenotices. |
| 19:44.24 | Sky2042 | And WoW community postings. |
| 19:44.50 | Ressy | yeah.. I think if you get boub, wowhead & wow.joystiq.com all to post, things should be pretty good. |
| 19:44.51 | pcj_2 | sitenotices aren't available in oasis |
| 19:45.14 | Ressy | that community thing is useless as hell. |
| 19:45.39 | kd3|netbook | the press releases on other sites aren't an issue. hopefully blizz will air it too... |
| 19:45.41 | Sky2042 | For the moment the community thing is useless as hell. |
| 19:46.09 | Ressy | Its halfway down a page most don't load. |
| 19:46.13 | Sky2042 | But yeah, MMO-C, Zam, Wowhead, Curse, etc etc etc. |
| 19:46.27 | Sky2042 | It'll spread by word of mouth from there. |
| 19:46.31 | Ressy | *nod* |
| 19:46.36 | Ressy | add to users talking in /2 |
| 19:46.41 | Sky2042 | Possibly postings on the official forums? |
| 19:46.47 | Ressy | good idea. |
| 19:46.47 | Sky2042 | Prolly not. |
| 19:46.56 | Ressy | it'll get posted in General prolly |
| 19:47.07 | kd3|netbook | meh; I've made threads in general before wearing my wowwiki hat |
| 19:47.10 | Sky2042 | Not everyone visits General. |
| 19:47.28 | Ressy | We can get all posts in Tech Support to point to the new site. |
| 19:47.34 | Ressy | not a prob. |
| 19:47.48 | Sky2042 | kd3: Special note might be the UI crowd, actually. They don't edit quite frequently enough to target on our end. |
| 19:47.55 | Ressy | (we link to the cvar pages I try to maintain) |
| 19:48.00 | pcj_2 | i've gotten banned from posting wowwiki spam on the forums before :( |
| 19:48.05 | Sky2042 | pcj D: |
| 19:48.10 | Ressy | sucks |
| 19:48.16 | pcj_2 | and then the GM who did it got a stern talking to and i got the ban lifted :D |
| 19:48.21 | Ressy | TS links to wowwiki all the time pcj |
| 19:48.31 | Ressy | best place to find out about the cvars |
| 19:48.59 | kd3|netbook | thankfully blizz contacts years in the making are good for things like this. ;) |
| 19:49.05 | Ressy | def. ;) |
| 19:49.18 | kd3|netbook | ...especially in a few weeks at the fansite conference at blizzcon. |
| 19:49.24 | kd3|netbook | >.> |
| 19:49.26 | Sky2042 | Oh, Blizzcon. |
| 19:49.30 | Sky2042 | Oh, yes. |
| 19:49.38 | pcj_2 | yeah we should get moving before blizzcon |
| 19:49.39 | pcj_2 | imo |
| 19:50.37 | Ressy | that soon? |
| 19:51.42 | pcj_2 | well the skin is mandatory next month |
| 19:51.43 | Sky2042 | Oooo, I like how Deadrising designed their wiki. |
| 19:51.46 | kd3|netbook | blizzcon is the 22-23rd. the new site is the 26th |
| 19:52.06 | Sky2042 | Ke ke ke ke ke. |
| 19:52.25 | pcj_2 | what do you mean Sky2042 |
| 19:52.44 | Sky2042 | pcj: deadrising.wikia.com: It's rare to see transparency used to good effect. |
| 19:53.16 | pcj_2 | ah |
| 19:53.18 | Sky2042 | Opinion, of course. |
| 20:18.08 | Sky2042 | Huh, Halopedia linked to our pros and cons list |
| 20:19.15 | pcj_2 | thats how awesome it is |
| 20:19.21 | Sky2042 | :D |
| 20:19.44 | pcj_2 | halo's actually losing the move vote |
| 20:19.49 | pcj_2 | amazing |
| 20:19.51 | Sky2042 | Which is impressive. |
| 20:19.56 | pcj_2 | their previous host must've sucked |
| 20:20.03 | Sky2042 | That appears to be the case. |
| 20:20.09 | Sky2042 | Someone should link them to wikii or shoutwiki |
| 20:20.40 | pcj_2 | they appear to want to go independent |
| 20:20.46 | pcj_2 | which imo is better than either of those options |
| 20:21.58 | Sky2042 | Only if you can pay for the uptime and such. |
| 20:22.03 | pcj_2 | sure |
| 20:24.29 | Ressy | Part of the problem, if people aren't even reading the proposal, and just voting no. |
| 20:24.42 | Ressy | You see some of those nos are struckthrough. Don't meet voting requirements |
| 20:25.05 | pcj_2 | yeah |
| 20:25.12 | pcj_2 | thats one reason i don't care to do a clean vote |
| 20:25.28 | Sky2042 | It wouldn't really help anyway. |
| 20:29.10 | Fisker | slaps Sky2042 around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:40.06 | Ressy | "Universally, the feedback that we got from user testing on Monaco is that people didn't understand who created the pages" |
| 20:40.27 | pcj_2 | the answer is to educate the user not to make the page editing process stupid |
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| 20:45.05 | Sky2042 | Wookieepedia is suspiciously quiet on wiki, from what I can see. |
| 20:45.14 | pcj_2 | yeah |
| 20:45.39 | Ressy | Club penguin wiki is moving. Setting up their new wiki now. |
| 20:45.41 | Sky2042 | Lyrics and Answers and Family aren't going anywhere. |
| 20:45.41 | pcj_2 | i think it would be humorous if say muppet wiki decided to leave |
| 20:45.49 | Sky2042 | That would be quite hilarious. |
| 20:45.55 | Sky2042 | goes to look at Marvel and EQ2 |
| 20:48.33 | Sky2042 | Marvel doesn't appear to have a centralized discussion place. o.o |
| 20:49.04 | pcj_2 | neither does muppets |
| 20:49.14 | pcj_2 | thats how wikia keeps them repressed |
| 20:49.22 | pcj_2 | keep them from organizing |
| 20:49.49 | Sky2042 | EQ2 doesnn't look like it has one either. |
| 20:50.03 | Sky2042 | I'm confused by this. |
| 20:50.08 | Sky2042 | How do those wikis stay... maintained? |
| 20:50.40 | Sky2042 | And Special:Myhome makes me want to kill babies. |
| 20:51.22 | pcj_2 | Sky2042: fortunately MyHome is going away |
| 20:51.25 | Sky2042 | DC comics as well. |
| 20:51.29 | Sky2042 | I'm so confused. |
| 20:51.33 | pcj_2 | only to come back as Special:WikiActivity |
| 20:52.05 | Sky2042 | sighs. |
| 20:52.35 | g0urra | WikiaCtivity |
| 20:53.07 | Sky2042 | Clever. |
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| 20:54.15 | Sky2042 | YuGiOh doesn't appear to know about the future of Wikia... |
| 20:54.37 | Sky2042 | Even though they have active fora. |
| 20:54.59 | pcj_2 | one discussion about it that amuses me is the Mass Effect wiki |
| 20:55.08 | pcj_2 | they've got 10 users who signed a petition to keep monaco |
| 20:55.14 | pcj_2 | yeah im sure thats going to work |
| 20:55.39 | Sky2042 | checks ffxi |
| 20:56.13 | Sky2042 | nothing on ffxi, even though they have an even better forum system... |
| 20:57.12 | Sky2042 | And charitwo, though I suspect he's going along with this wikia plan. |
| 20:57.34 | kd3|netbook | he's vstf. don't think he can disagree |
| 20:57.56 | Sky2042 | I bet he can, as vstf has no bearing on commentary. |
| 20:58.02 | Sky2042 | Of course, I could always be wrong. |
| 20:58.02 | pcj_2 | he's "staying neutral in this whole thing" |
| 20:58.29 | Sky2042 | ah. |
| 20:58.42 | Sky2042 | where staying neutral != encouraging discussion. |
| 20:58.44 | Sky2042 | sighs. |
| 20:59.19 | Sky2042 | memorybeta appears quiet. |
| 21:02.21 | Sky2042 | I like how memalpha has their forum main page laid out, but there's nothing there about the new skin either. |
| 21:04.04 | Sky2042 | So of the 13 wikis at the top in size, only 2 are discussing it? No wonder Wikia gets away. |
| 21:04.08 | Sky2042 | With this crap. |
| 21:04.55 | pcj_2 | well uncyclopedia isn't affected |
| 21:05.12 | Sky2042 | They aren't even in the top 13! |
| 21:05.15 | Sky2042 | Only the top 23. |
| 21:05.18 | pcj_2 | in size or traffic? |
| 21:05.22 | pcj_2 | they're second for traffic |
| 21:05.24 | Sky2042 | Page size. |
| 21:05.26 | pcj_2 | meh |
| 21:05.30 | Sky2042 | Indeed. |
| 21:05.33 | pcj_2 | wikia would care more about traffic |
| 21:05.51 | Sky2042 | But good luck getting Uncyc to move, what with all their exceptions. |
| 21:05.58 | pcj_2 | and it would make sense that those with more traffic would be those with more activity and thus more likely to protest |
| 21:06.28 | pcj_2 | with that in mind we have a lot of these http://www.quantcast.com/wikia.com#subdomain moving |
| 21:07.07 | Sky2042 | Runescape, for a meager 3%. |
| 21:07.31 | g0urra | eh, why would Uncyc move |
| 21:07.34 | g0urra | they get to keep Monobook |
| 21:07.35 | pcj_2 | exactly |
| 21:07.38 | g0urra | because sannse edit there |
| 21:07.42 | Sky2042 | I just said that. |
| 21:07.43 | pcj_2 | yes |
| 21:07.44 | Sky2042 | :P |
| 21:07.51 | g0urra | o no u DIDNT |
| 21:07.52 | pcj_2 | THERE IS NO DISAGREEMENT PRESENT AT THIS MOMENT |
| 21:09.33 | Sky2042 | GTA also, for another 1.2%. |
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| 21:36.04 | pcj_2 | yeah so with wowwiki i imagine wikia stands to lose 20-30% of their traffic |
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| 22:46.18 | LibertineLush | hey guys. how does a level 187 pvp crafted set (like this: http://www.wowwiki.com/Eviscerator%27s_Battlegear ) compare to level 264 pve crafted sets, when i intend to use the set for pvp? |
| 22:47.03 | pcj_2 | what class are you |
| 22:47.12 | LibertineLush | i'm a rogue |
| 22:47.15 | pcj_2 | oh duh |
| 22:47.18 | pcj_2 | i just opened it |
| 22:47.20 | LibertineLush | :) |
| 22:47.41 | pcj_2 | i would think the 264 stuff would be better, it wouldn't be optimal of course because you would be missing a bunch of resilience |
| 22:48.00 | LibertineLush | yea, so that's why i'm not sure which would be better |
| 22:48.17 | LibertineLush | i'm just 2 months into the game, so this'll be a starter pvp set |
| 22:49.05 | LibertineLush | and i'm thinking i shouldn't spend any type of currency like honor points or emblems, since cata will make so much of that gear obsolete |
| 22:49.12 | LibertineLush | so i rather spend gold/mats |
| 22:51.38 | pcj_2 | ofc a lot of new gear will come out in cataclysm :P |
| 22:51.59 | pcj_2 | yeah i would say just buy a lot of expensive stuff, sell it, and save the gold for cata |
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| 22:54.21 | LibertineLush | are you saying buy gear with gold, so don't spend other currencies, then sell them again (probably at a loss) when cata is out? |
| 22:54.31 | LibertineLush | that's what i'm thinking, but i'm not familiar with the wow economy yet |
| 22:55.10 | Amarande | Depends. Sadly resilience will be useless in PvE in Cata, but on the other hand Cata mobs will hit much harder, so the heavy emphasis on stamina on PvP gear will probably be nice for your first steps into Hyjal (you'll replace pretty much everything in the first few quests anyway unless it's top tier raid/high rating arena stuff) |
| 22:56.07 | Amarande | I'm thinking back to the first time I set foot into Hellfire, which was on a squishy where I hadn't put much emphasis into stamina on gear and I hated it |
| 22:56.25 | kd3|netbook | the first few quests should've helped with that |
| 22:56.37 | Amarande | kd3: yeah, once I did the first few quests things got better |
| 22:56.38 | kd3|netbook | they rebalanced stamina leading in to burning crusade |
| 22:57.25 | Amarande | part of it I suppose was the fact that I'm Horde and it's Hellfire, too |
| 22:57.38 | Amarande | and having gone at 58 as advised, I had a larger aggro radius than I did on later characters |
| 22:57.48 | LibertineLush | Amarande: why will resilience will be uesless in pve in cata? |
| 22:58.03 | Amarande | Resilience will apply only to attacks from players (and presumably their pets etc.) |
| 22:58.13 | LibertineLush | ah |
| 22:58.43 | kd3|netbook | http://www.wowwiki.com/Cataclysm#Stat_changes |
| 22:58.59 | LibertineLush | do you have an opinion on my initial question above? 187 vs 264. i dunno which is better |
| 22:59.06 | Amarande | at this point, go with the 187 |
| 22:59.11 | LibertineLush | kd3: thanks |
| 22:59.13 | kd3|netbook | if you're going to pvp; resilience > all |
| 22:59.28 | kd3|netbook | but remember... cata is 2 months away |
| 22:59.31 | Amarande | kd3: yeah, that's one thing that always grinds my gears about pvp |
| 22:59.37 | Amarande | the single-stat thing |
| 23:00.06 | Amarande | I like having to use my brain in games *sigh* |
| 23:00.06 | LibertineLush | ok. cause the mats for the 187 aren't modest, but since it is 2months away as you say, and it'll take probably months to get the good cata gear, it should be worth it. or that's my logic |
| 23:00.23 | Amarande | the point is, the moment you set foot into Hyjal and do your first quests, you'll most likely be replacing either |
| 23:00.34 | Amarande | MAYBE some of the 264 will be kept, but even that you will replace at Deepholm |
| 23:00.50 | Amarande | and the mats for the 264 are even more costly :) |
| 23:00.58 | LibertineLush | hyhal quests will replace non-elite pvp and pve gear? |
| 23:01.02 | Amarande | plus it's PvE gear, and while you ARE a rogue, PvP gear is better for PvP. |
| 23:01.04 | Amarande | Yup. |
| 23:01.07 | kd3|netbook | hyjal quests reward 277 |
| 23:01.12 | LibertineLush | wow |
| 23:01.21 | Amarande | It's kinda like how going into BC, you pretty much replaced everything right off the bat except Naxx stuff |
| 23:01.22 | kd3|netbook | it's an expansion. the gear reset is part of it |
| 23:01.35 | Amarande | and even with naxx stuff, it was mostly only the t3 you kept right? |
| 23:01.52 | kd3|netbook | yar |
| 23:02.08 | LibertineLush | so right now, my impression, is that the best reasonably attained gear in the game is 264, for dedicated but not totally nuts players. what will be the new item level norm in cata? 277? |
| 23:02.17 | kd3|netbook | 3something |
| 23:02.28 | kd3|netbook | 350ish? |
| 23:02.34 | LibertineLush | whoa ok |
| 23:02.51 | Amarande | I've heard that it's 333 recommended baseline for heroics |
| 23:02.58 | Amarande | and I think the first set of tier stuff is 345? |
| 23:03.31 | Amarande | and yeah, 264 is usually the best reasonably attained gear in LK, apart from your Ashen Verdict ring which almost everyone has gotten to 277 by now |
| 23:03.42 | Amarande | and apart from the drops from Gunship Battle on 25 |
| 23:04.08 | LibertineLush | so should i even bother spending additional money to gem/enchant my crafted 264 pve or crafted 187 pvp gear? i'm alright with buying the set, but spending even more to augment them when the next default is possibly 333, seems a waste |
| 23:04.13 | Amarande | because basically EVERY raid, even the most inexperienced ones, does Gunship on heroic if they have access to someone to put the battle on heroic |
| 23:04.47 | Amarande | I don't think the crafted PvP gear has sockets |
| 23:04.54 | Amarande | as for gems ... it's *always* best to fill a gem socket |
| 23:05.05 | Amarande | at least use green or blue quality gems, don't leave them empty |
| 23:05.06 | LibertineLush | oh ok. i still need to read up on gems |
| 23:05.06 | kd3|netbook | blue gems are cheap |
| 23:06.56 | LibertineLush | do you think a reasonably skilled player in 187 pvp can beat another in a duel in 264? wanna get a sense of how great a role gear level plays |
| 23:08.24 | LibertineLush | maybe 359 will be the norm: http://www.wowwiki.com/Item_level#Cataclysm_.28minLevel_.3D_85.29 |
| 23:08.25 | g0urra | they'll probably rip through your health if they have a good weapon |
| 23:08.38 | LibertineLush | awww sadness |
| 23:11.14 | Amarande | wtf. |
| 23:11.19 | Amarande | they're making PvP gear BETTER than raid gear? |
| 23:11.26 | Amarande | what is this game coming to :scratch |
| 23:11.49 | LibertineLush | has it always been the other way around? |
| 23:11.57 | Amarande | Lush: there's been a trend. |
| 23:12.04 | Amarande | In vanilla, raid gear was WAY better than PvP gear |
| 23:12.30 | Amarande | in WotLK, it's been equal ilvl, although the good raid gear is usually easier to get due to arena rating requirements on most good PvP gear |
| 23:13.10 | Amarande | in Cata, though, based on that current estimate it looks like they're going to make PvP gear be higher grade than raid gear. |
| 23:13.11 | Amarande | WTF. |
| 23:13.22 | Amarande | I'm going to feel sorry for the folks who rely on gearscore I think :) |
| 23:13.26 | LibertineLush | what's ultimately the affect of one being better than the other though? i thought ppl usually wear pvp gear for pvp and pve gear for pve |
| 23:13.37 | LibertineLush | even though i know some ppl mix and match |
| 23:13.46 | Amarande | Lush: not much, assuming you're like me and can find a sane raid that brings the player and doesn't obsess over GearScore |
| 23:13.57 | Amarande | people who have to rely on PUGs are going to scream, though :) |
| 23:14.01 | LibertineLush | ah ok GS |
| 23:14.16 | LibertineLush | i'm 78 now. so maybe i'll suffer through that soon |
| 23:14.22 | Amarande | because this ilvl tiering means that PvP gear is *guaranteed* to get you a higher GS than PvE gear. |
| 23:14.32 | LibertineLush | yea, i understand now |
| 23:14.56 | Amarande | I'm not sure why they're making PvP gear higher level. Unless they want to completely stop PvE geared folks from being competitive in BGs and Tol Barad :P |
| 23:15.11 | g0urra | my guess is that |
| 23:15.20 | Amarande | Right now, some classes can still do pretty well in PvP in PvE gear ... rogues, especially, come to mind |
| 23:15.22 | g0urra | and that pvp gear will be worthless in pve |
| 23:15.43 | g0urra | like reduces your damage/healing for every 1 point of resilience :p |
| 23:16.00 | Amarande | Frost DKs like mine seem to do okay, too ... most of the time in WG it seems like things end up being a quick-draw battle when it's me vs. one Alliance guy |
| 23:16.02 | g0urra | (not that it will, but one can hope) |
| 23:16.15 | LibertineLush | yea, i usually top warsong gulch scoreboard in my beginner pve gear versus all the twinks and heirlooms ppl. but i know it'll surely be tougher once i BG in the 80 bracket |
| 23:16.21 | Amarande | but that's because I've got 5.8k+ GS ICC gear and deal so much DPS that anything that doesn't draw quick dies. |
| 23:17.02 | Amarande | Yeah, I have a feeling that PvP gear will perform worse than PvE gear due to the fact that when you minus out the points budgeted for resil, it'd be effectively lower ilvl |
| 23:17.09 | Amarande | especially given the fact that resilience is a *rating* |
| 23:17.24 | Amarande | therefore, it will decay, and as a result that high ilvl PvP gear is going to need to budget even more ilvl points to resil |
| 23:17.50 | LibertineLush | g0urra: "like reduces your damage/healing for every 1 point of resilience " resilience takes away from attack power? |
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| 23:18.14 | g0urra | lol nah, that's just something I'd hope for in cata |
| 23:18.20 | LibertineLush | ah hehe |
| 23:18.30 | Amarande | OTOH |
| 23:18.31 | g0urra | if you're going into instances with resilience you'd do less damage/healing |
| 23:18.41 | Amarande | I'm presuming that resilience can be reforged, like other green attributes |
| 23:18.49 | g0urra | I hope not. |
| 23:18.55 | Amarande | which means some of it might be turnable into favored raid gear :( |
| 23:20.28 | Amarande | g0urra: yeah, one will hope they don't make resil reforgeable |
| 23:20.38 | Amarande | otoh, for other stuff to be reforgeable INTO resil would be just dandy |
| 23:21.04 | Amarande | although with so many attributes going away ... and now I think I can understand why they've pared down the attributes so much |
| 23:21.16 | Amarande | partially, I guess, to make the game easier for newbies and people who don't want to use their grey matter |
| 23:21.27 | kd3|netbook | ... |
| 23:21.33 | kd3|netbook | "easy to understand, hard to master" |
| 23:21.36 | kd3|netbook | that's what they're going for |
| 23:21.36 | Amarande | but also, the more green attributes they had, the more they'd have to worry about situations where reforging becomes breakingly unbalancing |
| 23:21.45 | Amarande | ah, like chess. :) |
| 23:21.46 | kd3|netbook | not "let's just dumb it down" |
| 23:22.01 | Amarande | however, yeah, fewer green attributes means fewer balancing issues for Reforging |
| 23:22.17 | Amarande | since you can't reforge white attributes |
| 23:23.33 | Amarande | kd3, do you think Blizzard will ever quite understand that their balancing act of trying to make PvE and PvP both balanced in the same world with the same gear is impossible? :) |
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| 23:29.00 | LibertineLush | if i'd like to buy crafted weapons for a rogue, is a blacksmith the only profession that makes daggers? |
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| 23:30.20 | pcj | yeah |
| 23:30.25 | pcj | but BS daggers are shit |
| 23:30.45 | pcj | in fact all BS weapons are shit in WOTLK |
| 23:31.09 | LibertineLush | they don't make any 264 ones? i only recently learned that crafting profs can create 264 gear, so i thought maybe 264 weapons were possible |
| 23:31.25 | pcj | BS got shafted in weapons and mail armor with WOTLK |
| 23:31.32 | LibertineLush | ok |
| 23:31.32 | pcj | basically all they make that is any good is plate |
| 23:31.42 | pcj | which is terrible design |
| 23:31.43 | pcj | but w/e |
| 23:32.04 | LibertineLush | oh, this brings to mind another question. how does the 264 crafted gear compare to the 264 gear you can buy with emblems of frost? |
| 23:32.24 | pcj | crafted should be a little less than emblem gear |
| 23:32.29 | pcj | but on the same level roughly |
| 23:33.18 | LibertineLush | ok. sounds like the crafted 264 would be acceptable for me then as a pve starter. till cata is out |
| 23:33.24 | pcj | for sure |
| 23:34.25 | LibertineLush | thanks everyone |
| 23:34.38 | pcj | np gl |
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