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| 00:44.17 | pcj | kd3: i've never moved a wiki before like that, we would have to re-setup all the users right? |
| 00:47.22 | kd3 | we'll have to reregister on our new host's site -- we can keep our usernames and such |
| 00:47.30 | pcj | thats what i thought |
| 00:49.45 | pcj | are you still gonna write your e-mail to the admins? |
| 00:51.03 | kd3 | ya, in a couple minutes |
| 00:51.09 | kd3 | I just got home, need to get settled |
| 00:51.13 | pcj | ok |
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| 00:53.28 | Sky2042_afk | Yeah. |
| 00:53.51 | Ressy | Blizz is finally listening to me about overhauling their 'one stop shop' area for account compromises.. Only took me sending in a ton of emails, and stating "If you don't do this, you're just going to have users hacked again, and then it'll make your personnell busier, and it'll cost you more." |
| 00:54.49 | Ressy | Bureaucratic BS with getting decent software added to lists to scan machines with. |
| 00:55.03 | Ressy | they had old software which doesn't pick up anything.. |
| 00:55.10 | Ressy | and were stating "Its good enough" |
| 00:56.57 | Sky2042_afk | pcj: sign message on forum page maybe? |
| 00:57.09 | pcj | sky: i did before the list |
| 00:57.17 | Sky2042_afk | Oh |
| 00:57.19 | pcj | since other people might add to it i didn't sign the list |
| 00:57.19 | Sky2042_afk | missed that |
| 01:00.15 | Ressy | I'd reregister on the new site... I'm assuming it'd be linked to a curseID? |
| 01:00.42 | pcj | i don't think curse's wikis are linked to the curse login |
| 01:00.44 | pcj | i'd have to check |
| 01:00.52 | pcj | but it's not for sure curse we're going to either :P |
| 01:01.04 | Ressy | true true |
| 01:01.10 | Ressy | IF |
| 01:01.31 | Ressy | I have no clue whats going on. :) |
| 01:01.32 | pcj | yeah it doesn't seem to like my curse login on their wikis |
| 01:07.07 | Arrowmaster | Ressy: what did they have listed that was no good? |
| 01:07.42 | Ressy | Adaware, and spybot |
| 01:07.53 | Ressy | mcaffe, norton |
| 01:07.54 | Arrowmaster | spybot is still decent |
| 01:07.59 | Ressy | not really. |
| 01:08.03 | Ressy | not for keyloggers |
| 01:08.10 | Ressy | malwarebytes |
| 01:08.15 | Arrowmaster | lol macffee |
| 01:08.18 | Ressy | yeah. |
| 01:08.27 | pcj | mcafee must be good, intel bought it |
| 01:08.30 | Ressy | I facepalm'd when I saw those 2 crappy AVs on there. |
| 01:08.40 | Ressy | Intel must've been smoking some good shit |
| 01:08.58 | Arrowmaster | kaspersky is just about the only AV i would be willing to pay money for if i still used windows |
| 01:09.07 | Ressy | I use Avast |
| 01:09.13 | pcj | :o |
| 01:09.15 | Arrowmaster | although when i did use windows i just reset my kaspersky 1 month trial every month |
| 01:09.19 | Ressy | All computers I maintain (except my work ones) use Avast. |
| 01:09.22 | pcj | avast slows stuff down too much |
| 01:09.25 | pcj | MSE imo |
| 01:09.27 | Ressy | My work comps use Symantec. :( |
| 01:09.32 | Ressy | I don't have a prob with Avast... |
| 01:09.50 | Ressy | Bosses won't let me remove Symantec |
| 01:10.01 | Ressy | it let a fake av onto a co-workers comp. |
| 01:10.48 | Arrowmaster | some of the workstations at my college got one of those fake AVs while running mcafee |
| 01:11.16 | Ressy | I laughed in my boss's face. |
| 01:11.23 | Ressy | He put symantec running for over 1 1/2 hrs |
| 01:11.30 | Ressy | said it'd find & remove the fake av |
| 01:11.41 | Ressy | Told him it wouldn't. |
| 01:12.02 | Ressy | malwarebytes found & removed it in under 5 mins. |
| 01:35.28 | Sky2042_afk | pokes kd3 to see if he is settled. |
| 01:35.53 | kd3 | it'll be going out in a few minutes |
| 01:36.37 | Sky2042_afk | Is this a collection of all the other things you've dropped here and there or just a summary from the chat? |
| 01:37.03 | pcj | are you not going to read it in one of those cases? |
| 01:37.24 | kd3 | take a look |
| 01:37.25 | Sky2042_afk | I'm going to read it in both. |
| 01:37.27 | Sky2042_afk | :P |
| 01:37.44 | pcj | gah i haven't got it yet |
| 01:37.46 | Sky2042_afk | ^ |
| 01:37.47 | pcj | refresh refresh refresh |
| 01:43.13 | Sandwichman2448 | On the "Things that would change" list, what about things that would stay the same? Like the old WoWWiki still being around, along with the new one. |
| 01:43.40 | pcj | sure |
| 01:43.40 | Sandwichman2448 | Maybe a separate pros and cons list. |
| 01:43.49 | kd3 | swm, did you get a copy of that email, by the way? |
| 01:44.10 | Sandwichman2448 | mm... |
| 01:44.12 | Sandwichman2448 | Nope. |
| 01:44.18 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:44.33 | Sandwichman2448 | I never learned much wiki coding due to laziness anyway. |
| 01:44.41 | Sky2042_afk | kd3: Did you mean to send that to kb? |
| 01:44.45 | kd3 | yes |
| 01:44.52 | Sky2042_afk | k. |
| 01:44.53 | pcj | meh it doesn't say much that he couldn't already gather |
| 01:45.19 | pcj | and if its news to him that's sad |
| 01:45.39 | pcj | who is jgs |
| 01:45.44 | Sky2042_afk | Lack of Fandyllic in that list. I'd like to see his opinion. |
| 01:46.02 | pcj | i already know he hates the skin |
| 01:46.59 | pcj | technically fandy doesn't have the sysop flag |
| 01:47.04 | pcj | he removed it from himself |
| 01:47.07 | Sky2042_afk | Heh. |
| 01:47.10 | Sky2042_afk | Forgot. |
| 01:47.17 | kd3 | oops |
| 01:47.18 | Sky2042_afk | Then that's fine. |
| 01:47.29 | pcj | kd3 who is jgs, first time i've seen that |
| 01:48.03 | kd3 | someone in my WoWWiki group on gmail... trying to find out now. >.< |
| 01:48.06 | pcj | oh |
| 01:48.50 | Sandwichman2448 | Fandyllic still has the bureaucrat tag. |
| 01:48.58 | pcj | yes but kd3 said sysop |
| 01:49.00 | kd3 | because he couldn't remove it |
| 01:49.11 | kd3 | I can't touch bcrat tags either as a 'crat |
| 01:49.20 | kd3 | other than promoting someone to a crat |
| 01:50.46 | pcj | dont know a'noob's e-mail either |
| 01:51.28 | Sky2042_afk | someone special email him. |
| 01:51.53 | pcj | Sky2042_afk: you're special, you e-mail him |
| 01:51.59 | Sky2042_afk | :D :D |
| 01:52.25 | Arrowmaster | just kinda catching up and read the forum post about leaving wikia, is it a guarantee that wikia wont give up the wowwiki.com domain ever? or is it just a matter of offering the right price? |
| 01:52.39 | pcj | the right price is probably in the ten thousands |
| 01:52.48 | Sky2042_afk | The right price is probably a big number. |
| 01:52.49 | kd3 | thousands? I was gonna ballpark a few million |
| 01:52.53 | kd3 | >.> |
| 01:52.54 | pcj | million? |
| 01:52.55 | pcj | hmm |
| 01:52.56 | Sky2042_afk | kd3: Not that many. |
| 01:53.00 | pcj | doubt it |
| 01:53.08 | Sky2042_afk | I was pegging it in the 100s of ks, myself. |
| 01:53.13 | Sandwichman2448 | You can hope the old WoWWiki will lose relevancy, but it will still be sad to see it rot. More people will still look at that one for quite some time. |
| 01:53.19 | pcj | yeah maybe 10-100 |
| 01:53.30 | pcj | i'm not a big domain buying guy |
| 01:53.37 | pcj | if its not available i stop checking |
| 01:54.00 | Sky2042_afk | Sandwichman2448: If it rots, the price for the domain goes down. :D |
| 01:54.02 | Arrowmaster | have you asked around to see if another company might be willing to buy it from wikia? |
| 01:54.07 | pcj | we've asked |
| 01:54.14 | Sky2042_afk | That's why we know it won't be cheap. |
| 01:54.30 | kd3 | this convo wouldn't have started if we weren't talking (seriously) about hosting elsewhere |
| 01:55.02 | kd3 | I wonder how long until the staff descend on that forum post, by the way? |
| 01:55.11 | pcj | you mean like kb? |
| 01:55.22 | Sky2042_afk | kb kinda' already did, thinking that tweaking it was going to fix the problem. |
| 01:55.28 | Sandwichman2448 | Sky2042_afk: Mass vandalism an option? |
| 01:55.46 | kd3 | easily reverted |
| 01:55.54 | Sandwichman2448 | >.< |
| 01:55.55 | pcj | as are any css or js changes |
| 01:55.59 | Sky2042_afk | Sandwichman2448: Yes, but not a one we like. We just end up getting blocked, easily reverted, and Wikia probably pulls a special:protectsite. |
| 01:56.08 | pcj | i was thinking about botting editors with recent changes talk pages |
| 01:56.14 | Sky2042_afk | Then de-adminned and de-botted. |
| 01:56.57 | Sky2042_afk | We might be able to pageblank though. |
| 01:57.17 | pcj | now if we deleted all the pages that would be harder to revert :P |
| 01:57.21 | Sky2042_afk | :D |
| 01:59.31 | Sandwichman2448 | What if we legitimately re-tuned the function of what WoWWiki is? We make it a fan fiction / roleplaying site! It will decay on our terms, and Wikia will embrace it due to the community involvement and creativity aspects! |
| 01:59.50 | Sky2042_afk | Oooh. |
| 02:00.00 | Sky2042_afk | We still won't get the domain. |
| 02:00.04 | Sky2042_afk | But that's an interesting twist. |
| 02:00.10 | pcj | and say "hey if you wanted the old stuff go to this other site" |
| 02:00.12 | kd3 | no, but the dup google hits go poof |
| 02:00.17 | Sandwichman2448 | True, but my idea still stands. |
| 02:00.31 | kd3 | which is rather intriguing, and a possibility... |
| 02:00.36 | pcj | kd3: if we wanted google hits we should add the new site to the existing wowwiki e-links templates |
| 02:00.44 | pcj | do those have rel=nofollow? |
| 02:00.45 | pcj | hmm |
| 02:01.01 | Sky2042_afk | yeah, external has rel=nofollow |
| 02:01.06 | Sky2042_afk | But adding a wiki to the interwiki table doesn't. |
| 02:01.14 | Sky2042_afk | Which we can't do, but there it is. |
| 02:01.23 | kd3 | yes, but unless they've fixed a bug report we can do a [[file:foo|link=http://bar]] and not have a rel=nofollow ... |
| 02:01.32 | Sky2042_afk | kd3: :D |
| 02:01.35 | kd3 | >.> |
| 02:02.47 | pcj | nobody expects the spanish inquisition! |
| 02:03.42 | Sky2042_afk | Oh, btw, we're not the only ones thinking to leave: http://www.niwanetwork.org/about.html |
| 02:03.52 | Sky2042_afk | Just saw that today. |
| 02:04.01 | pcj | http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Anti-Wikia_Alliance |
| 02:04.03 | pcj | too |
| 02:04.07 | pcj | just getting started though |
| 02:04.25 | Sky2042_afk | "Anti-Wikia Alliance" frames it in Wikia's terms though. |
| 02:04.27 | Sky2042_afk | Doomed from the start. |
| 02:04.28 | pcj | and the people we talked to earlier said that lots of wikis were asking them |
| 02:04.38 | Sky2042_afk | Yeah, I saw that actually. |
| 02:04.48 | Sandwichman2448 | http://complaintwiki.org/wiki/Main_Page |
| 02:04.50 | Sky2042_afk | Though from the phrasing, he could have been introducing you. |
| 02:05.06 | Sandwichman2448 | It is old. |
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| 02:08.00 | Sky2042_afk | And now, I sleep. |
| 02:08.01 | Sky2042_afk | :3 |
| 02:08.07 | Sandwichman2448 | Bye |
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| 02:31.51 | pcj | kd3 i'm guessing all deleted pages, blocks, protection, would have to be re-applied too |
| 02:32.04 | pcj | or protection at least |
| 02:32.10 | pcj | but the rest of it wouldn't transfer right |
| 02:32.53 | Sandwichman2448 | Evil sockpuppets galore! |
| 02:33.02 | pcj | pfft |
| 02:33.09 | Sandwichman2448 | Yeah. |
| 02:33.11 | kd3 | dunno. I would assume that history includes the logs (protect/delete) et al... if not, it's a few templates and the main page we've still got permed |
| 02:33.17 | pcj | hopefully one of the benefits is it would throw spambots off for a bit |
| 02:33.18 | kd3 | , right? |
| 02:33.20 | kd3 | ya |
| 02:33.33 | Sandwichman2448 | It can be dealt with. |
| 02:34.34 | pcj | well obviously the logs could be exported |
| 02:34.45 | pcj | i wouldn't expect it to export all the content of the deleted revisions though |
| 02:34.48 | pcj | so a restore would be hard |
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| 02:48.52 | Sandwichman2448 | What about users who steal the names of old users on the new site? |
| 02:49.07 | kd3 | that can be solved too (tfwiki had to deal with it) |
| 02:49.14 | kd3 | http://deriksmith.livejournal.com/30305.html |
| 02:49.15 | Sandwichman2448 | Ah good. |
| 02:49.17 | kd3 | warning, php |
| 02:50.01 | pcj | quit trying to hack my computer kd3 |
| 02:50.04 | pcj | with your bad sites |
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| 03:39.15 | pcj | i guess you liked my tagline kd3 :P |
| 03:39.22 | kd3 | indeed |
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| 03:53.02 | TLUL | I heard rumours that WoWWiki was considering leaving Wikia. Is this being seriously considered here? I know some other wikis are bouncing around the idea as well. |
| 03:53.17 | pcj | http://www.wowwiki.com/Forum:Should_WoWWiki_leave_Wikia%3F |
| 03:55.22 | TLUL | Yeah, I just stumbled upon that. |
| 04:08.01 | kd3 | if by a few million a day you mean ~300-400k a day... |
| 04:08.19 | kd3 | unless I'm utterly misunderstanding that graphic |
| 04:08.47 | pcj | page views |
| 04:08.49 | pcj | not people |
| 04:08.50 | pcj | :P |
| 04:09.04 | kd3 | whistles |
| 04:16.21 | kd3 | oh, crap, sorry |
| 04:18.07 | pcj | wtg kd3 |
| 04:20.48 | kd3 | and with that, firefox is closed. hopefully no firestorm awaits when I get back. |
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| 04:22.28 | pcj | casts rain of fire on kd3 |
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| 05:19.15 | lucidfox | pcj, I'm fully in favor of moving away from Wikia |
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| 11:01.40 | g0urra | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Forum:Should_WoWWiki_leave_Wikia%3F&diff=2398150&oldid=2398105 |
| 11:01.45 | g0urra | split the cost? sure.. |
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| 11:39.08 | pcj | lucidfox, post on http://www.wowwiki.com/Forum:Should_WoWWiki_leave_Wikia%3F |
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| 13:10.15 | pcj | morning |
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| 13:53.34 | Aikar | pcj: it would take some dev work but id recommend Amazon EC2 |
| 13:53.48 | Aikar | code up dynamic spinup/shutdown of servers as load needs |
| 13:54.17 | Aikar | if traffic dips at certain points of the day, could save money |
| 13:55.25 | Aikar | for a high profile site though i could see bill hitting 800$/mo+ |
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| 14:23.33 | Sky2042_afk | Did the "I have x skin selected bug but monaco is still showing up" supposedly get fixed? |
| 14:27.27 | pcj_2 | supposedly |
| 14:28.12 | Sky2042 | But not really? I'm still having the issue. -.- |
| 14:28.46 | Ressy | so am I. |
| 14:29.02 | Ressy | well sorta |
| 14:29.09 | Sky2042 | mine is still full-on monaco. |
| 14:29.11 | Sky2042 | :| |
| 14:29.47 | Ressy | I have my ts wikia set to monaco sapphire, and I see no background images... |
| 14:30.01 | Ressy | no color at all |
| 14:31.26 | pcj_2 | i've been switching back and forth between wowwiki monaco and the new skin and haven't had any problems |
| 14:31.33 | pcj_2 | but i heard other people still have it too |
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| 15:48.20 | Ressy | I don't get why uncyclopedia gets to keep their skin, but they're forcing wowwiki over. o.O |
| 15:49.03 | Sky2042 | uncyclopedia has sannse. |
| 15:49.05 | Sky2042 | is bitter. |
| 15:49.20 | Sky2042 | It's also supposedly a parody of Wikipedia. |
| 15:50.08 | Ressy | its also less than half the size of wowwiki, and pcj & kd3 deal with any problems with wowwiki themselves.. |
| 15:50.17 | Sky2042 | Only articlespace. |
| 15:50.45 | Sky2042 | They have more if you count the other namespaces they have which could possibly be considered content. |
| 15:51.11 | pcj_2 | were you going to chime in on the discussion sky? |
| 15:52.16 | Ressy | I mean, I haven't really seen many times where wowwiki's needed assistance from staff - except that whole SWM crap, and how they needed a new machine. |
| 15:52.26 | Sky2042 | Onwiki or in email? I haven't seen anything which would misrepresent my position, and nothing which hasn't been said need be said from my pov. |
| 15:52.43 | Sky2042 | Ressy: We basically don't need assistance. |
| 15:52.48 | Sky2042 | And we don't want it, tbh. |
| 15:52.53 | Sky2042 | For the most part. |
| 15:52.57 | Sky2042 | The stuff forced on us anyway. |
| 15:53.02 | pcj_2 | either sky |
| 15:53.07 | Ressy | understandable. Admins/crats of wowwiki are quite competent. |
| 15:53.09 | pcj_2 | but if you don't have anything to add... |
| 15:53.19 | pcj_2 | i just thought being the wikipedia guy you might have some ideas |
| 15:53.23 | Sky2042 | Ah. |
| 15:53.38 | Ressy | other than "Wikia's being retarded."? |
| 15:53.48 | pcj_2 | heh |
| 15:54.02 | Sky2042 | pcj_2: We could always take all our content to strategywiki. ;D |
| 15:54.04 | pcj_2 | the whole bit about people being confused by wikis is retarded |
| 15:54.20 | pcj_2 | Sky2042: we should push to become a wikimedia wiki imo :P |
| 15:54.36 | Sky2042 | Hardly. The Usability Initiative is finding that people are. However, I haven't seen evidence that Wikia has done usability testing... |
| 15:54.46 | Ressy | the navbar was fine as it was. Theres just too much to games to try to fit so much stuff into 4 tiny dropdowns. |
| 15:54.51 | Sky2042 | And they aren't coattailing well off the results of what Wikimedia has done. |
| 15:55.23 | Sky2042 | pcj_2: Haha, I hope that was jesting. We'd have to deal with fair use much more so than now, and that wouldn't be what we want. |
| 15:55.45 | pcj_2 | how is wikipedia so popular if people don't get it? |
| 15:56.08 | Sky2042 | It's useful for readers. But Wikipedia has been seeing a very steady decrease in the number of editors. |
| 15:56.28 | pcj_2 | wikia is changing it to make it easier for readers |
| 15:56.33 | Ressy | 'easier' |
| 15:56.52 | pcj_2 | they're saying stupid stuff like "clicking on images shouldn't take readers to the image metadata because that is contrary to what they expect" |
| 15:57.28 | Sky2042 | pcj_2: Well, that's a true statement. Most people don't expect the images to be clickable, and if the images are, they expect them to go somewhere useful. The metadata isn't usefu. |
| 15:57.28 | Ressy | easy fix. [[File:blah.png|link= blah]] |
| 15:57.38 | Sky2042 | However, Wikipedia might have changed that behavior. |
| 15:57.50 | Sky2042 | Wikia might be working off of data from 10 years ago, if that's what they're claiming. |
| 15:57.54 | Ressy | lol |
| 15:58.08 | pcj_2 | they apparently set a couple of noobs in front of monaco and said "have at it" |
| 15:58.16 | Sky2042 | Which, 2000 was a much different year web-wise than 2010... |
| 15:58.26 | Sky2042 | As in, skinning it? :P |
| 15:58.47 | pcj_2 | as in experiencing it |
| 15:58.52 | pcj_2 | as readers |
| 15:58.56 | Sky2042_afk | Oh, well, that's how you test things. |
| 15:58.58 | Sky2042_afk | :P |
| 15:59.17 | Sky2042_afk | But you want to balance those results with results from more experienced people as well. |
| 15:59.23 | pcj_2 | yeah but they didn't get gamers, they got people off the street |
| 15:59.23 | Sky2042_afk | shrugs. |
| 15:59.25 | Sky2042_afk | I g2g. |
| 15:59.30 | pcj_2 | since their most popular wikis are gaming wikis |
| 15:59.33 | pcj_2 | it just makes sense |
| 15:59.43 | Sky2042_afk | Not everyone is intelligent... |
| 15:59.46 | Sky2042_afk | >.> |
| 15:59.59 | pcj_2 | well and then there's fandy |
| 16:00.45 | Sky2042_afk | He does deserve a class of his own, doesn't he? :D |
| 16:00.52 | Sky2042_afk | Anyway, definitely going now. |
| 16:03.17 | Ressy | more feedback on the navigation of the new skin.. "its horribad, navigation sucks. Need more jump pages for users since you got rid of all the good parts of the navigation section." |
| 16:04.34 | Ressy | how are you guys going to get all the images? I remember crucially saying the image dump was disabled.. |
| 16:05.07 | pcj_2 | we have ways of making the images speak |
| 16:05.14 | pcj_2 | err we can do it |
| 16:05.37 | pcj_2 | it'll be trickier than articles for sure |
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| 16:41.13 | Fisker | so Sky2042_afk |
| 16:41.19 | Fisker | i thought we had finally gotten rid of you |
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| 17:53.11 | Ressy | pcj: http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20100930/lotto-office-100930/20100930/?hub=TorontoNewHome |
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| 17:57.54 | pcj_2 | of course they do |
| 18:00.47 | Ressy | The amount of data they crunch is astounding really. They were able to get a previous history of the person from previous purchases. |
| 18:01.06 | Ressy | they think the real winners are a group. |
| 18:01.26 | g0urra | of 87 people |
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| 18:10.01 | Ackis | just saw http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Forum:Should_WoWWiki_leave_Wikia%3F&t=20100930015728 |
| 18:10.28 | pcj_2 | :o |
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| 18:10.58 | Ackis | apparently I live under a rock :P |
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| 18:13.34 | pcj_2 | its only been up a few days |
| 18:14.43 | Sky2042_afk | Ackis: Is that because I put it in the sitenotice? :) |
| 18:14.48 | Sky2042_afk | HOBIN! HAI! |
| 18:14.49 | Sky2042_afk | M! |
| 18:14.56 | Sky2042_afk | >.> |
| 18:15.19 | Ackis | no it's because torhal linked it in #wowace lol |
| 18:15.29 | Sky2042_afk | D: |
| 18:15.40 | pcj_2 | well at least we're getting some press then |
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| 18:17.19 | Hobinheim | hello =) |
| 18:17.32 | Sky2042_afk | http://us1.campaign-archive.com/?u=2889002ad89d45ca21f50ba46&id=0569019a04 |
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| 18:24.29 | kd3 | oh, huh. cloak. knew I was forgetting something |
| 18:24.33 | kd3 | who controls the wowwiki cloak? |
| 18:24.37 | pcj_2 | wikia |
| 18:24.39 | pcj_2 | meh |
| 18:24.40 | kd3 | ... |
| 18:24.43 | pcj_2 | shh |
| 18:25.24 | Hobinheim | cloak? |
| 18:25.54 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:26.19 | kd3 | I'm kd3@wikia, not kd3@whatever.my.ip.is |
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| 18:26.27 | pcj_2 | then /whois me |
| 18:26.31 | pcj_2 | your cloak is now diamonds |
| 18:26.35 | kd3 | har |
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| 18:26.43 | Ackis | me: No such nickname online. |
| 18:26.51 | Luig1 | HiHi |
| 18:26.57 | Luig1 | Hi* |
| 18:26.58 | kd3 | heyo |
| 18:27.31 | Luig1 | I'm just stopping by from the RuneScape wiki, just a user, nothing official |
| 18:28.04 | Luig1 | I was wondering; I had heard that a portion of this wiki had been considering leaving Wikia, to found another independent wiki? |
| 18:28.13 | pcj_2 | indeed |
| 18:28.27 | pcj_2 | most of the active contributors probably |
| 18:28.31 | Ressy | nods |
| 18:29.51 | Ackis | commented on the thread about 10 - 20 mins ago, flame away. |
| 18:30.23 | Luig1 | Well, I'm part of a faction on RSW that would like to do the same |
| 18:30.41 | Luig1 | What have been your interactions with Wikia staff on this matter? |
| 18:30.50 | pcj_2 | part of our problem is calculating how much it would cost to host it ourselves |
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| 18:31.05 | pcj_2 | we've discussed it a bit with Kirkburn who is staff |
| 18:31.18 | kd3 | the only reaction I've seen is "hold on. we're not with the skin yet" |
| 18:31.25 | pcj_2 | they're claiming to want to know our demands but I don't think they're going to do much |
| 18:31.29 | pcj_2 | at least not enough |
| 18:31.30 | Kirkburn | Who is making sure the rest of Wikia knows |
| 18:31.40 | Sky2042_afk | I.e. damage control. |
| 18:31.49 | Ressy | 1. Fixed width doesn't work when you have have infoboxes on 90% of the pages. |
| 18:32.10 | Kirkburn | More reaction is coming, btw |
| 18:32.14 | Luig1 | Some of us on RSW were considering issuing an ultimatum to Wikia about some of our demands, for example: Not changing the ToS, not forcing the new skin on us, allowing us to continue to use Monaco if we like, and perhaps some others. |
| 18:32.27 | Luig1 | Have you discussed anything like that? |
| 18:32.29 | Ressy | Unless wikis can push infoboxes outside the article space.. *shrug* |
| 18:32.31 | kd3 | ultimatums won't do any good. transformers tried that |
| 18:32.36 | Luig1 | Really? |
| 18:32.39 | Luig1 | Any luck? |
| 18:32.43 | Ressy | they split |
| 18:32.50 | Luig1 | :\ |
| 18:32.57 | Ackis | kd3: they need to make the ultimatums more than meets the eye. |
| 18:33.01 | kd3 | a few years back, as a matter of fact. they're at http://tfwiki.net |
| 18:33.01 | pcj_2 | they've already changed the ToU |
| 18:33.02 | kd3 | lol |
| 18:33.09 | Ressy | again pcj? |
| 18:33.17 | Ressy | or is it the ToU we don't like still? |
| 18:33.52 | kd3 | http://www.wikia.com/index.php?title=Terms_of_Use&diff=5011&oldid=3943 |
| 18:33.54 | Kirkburn | I would say ultimatums aren't helpful because it's no longer a discussion |
| 18:34.14 | Sky2042_afk | Kirkburn: But Wikia hasn't approached it as a discussion. |
| 18:34.25 | Ressy | yeah.. bad ToU still. :( |
| 18:34.35 | Sky2042_afk | And never has, quite frankly. |
| 18:34.41 | Luig1 | Well, as WoWWiki (great site btw, I like your style, much less bland than ours) and RuneScape Wiki are some of the largest in Wikia gaming, I was personally hoping that our combined noise might actually cause Wikia to react |
| 18:34.57 | Luig1 | Or at least tell us to fuck off so we know what they think of us. |
| 18:35.02 | Sky2042_afk | Kirkburn: That said, poke your head into #wikia. Someone in there wants halp. |
| 18:35.13 | Ressy | Theres several wikis hoping Wowwiki will gang up with others to tell wikia where to um.. shove this new skin. |
| 18:35.51 | Ressy | I don't see it doing anything at all. |
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| 18:36.26 | Ressy | I wanna see the list of to-be-implemented user suggestions however. :) |
| 18:36.30 | Kirkburn | We're not ignoring you, we just can't always satisfy your wishes. |
| 18:36.39 | Sky2042_afk | And that means you aren't discussing. |
| 18:37.33 | Luig1 | Well, I'm hoping that if our discussions (which, as I mentioned, are all unofficial; no forum posts or anything as of yet!) gain some consensus, you might have the support of RSW as well, Ressy. |
| 18:37.37 | Kirkburn | Like I said, wait a bit, sannse is coming to wowwiki. We have a lot of users versus not the same number of staff, so we can't respond to everything. |
| 18:37.49 | Ressy | nods |
| 18:38.02 | Sky2042_afk | We don't need to you to respond to everyone individually though. That's the thing. :/ |
| 18:38.07 | Ressy | Saw them trying to keep up with the comments & respond yesterday.. Just too many comments on the blog Kirkburn |
| 18:38.23 | pcj_2 | its weird how normal people can respond to every little thing but staff can't |
| 18:38.41 | kd3 | they've gotta clear it with legal |
| 18:38.49 | Sky2042_afk | pcj_2: It's probably a symptom of having over 10k wikis to deal with. |
| 18:39.15 | Ackis | wait 10k? That's over 9000! (Yes I'm contributing meaningful discussion) |
| 18:39.59 | Sky2042_afk | Ackis: Indeed. |
| 18:41.21 | pcj_2 | i thought it was over 100k |
| 18:41.57 | Sky2042_afk | mehs. |
| 18:41.59 | Sky2042_afk | Might be. |
| 18:42.11 | Sky2042_afk | Too many to handle with the staff that Wikia employs, honestly. |
| 18:42.17 | Sky2042_afk | And the strategy they use to do so. |
| 18:43.58 | pcj_2 | yeap |
| 18:46.07 | Hobinheim | how do you find out who the biggest wikias are? |
| 18:46.27 | pcj_2 | on Wikia? |
| 18:46.28 | pcj_2 | http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Hub:Big_wikis |
| 18:49.25 | pcj_2 | as you can see the first two don't count |
| 18:49.31 | Sky2042_afk | Hahahahaha. |
| 18:49.34 | Ressy | lol |
| 18:49.49 | Sky2042_afk | If the Star Trek community wasn't splintered, they'd be up there with us. |
| 18:49.52 | pcj_2 | here is a list of all wikis i think http://s23.org/wikistats/largest_html.php |
| 18:50.36 | Ressy | 94th. |
| 18:51.04 | pcj_2 | but most of it above is dictionaries and stuff |
| 18:51.07 | Sky2042_afk | We have a lot of WMF wikis inbetween us and the top. :) |
| 18:51.14 | pcj_2 | stupid stuff thats not encyclopedic |
| 19:00.40 | Hobinheim | i'm surprised there's no wiki on my new hobby, volleyball |
| 19:02.09 | Luig1 | That's all wikis |
| 19:02.18 | Luig1 | I think there's a specific list for wikias |
| 19:03.52 | Luig1 | http://s23.org/wikistats/wikia_html.php |
| 19:05.07 | Sky2042_afk | look at all those stubs, hahahaha |
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| 19:05.21 | Luig1 | Listed by edits or active users, we are clearly among the most important wikis on the site. |
| 19:05.37 | Sky2042_afk | answers is basically permastubs and ru.vlab looks like a freaking test wiki or something? |
| 19:06.11 | Luig1 | Also by admins, and we both rank pretty high by total article and by images |
| 19:06.32 | Luig1 | So, in short, WoWWiki and RSW ftw, Wikia should care if our communities are upset. |
| 19:07.38 | Hobinheim | rsw ftw? |
| 19:07.56 | Luig1 | Yes, RSW ftw |
| 19:08.14 | Luig1 | #wikia-runescape |
| 19:08.45 | Luig1 | It's a bit empty over there though |
| 19:09.01 | Luig1 | A lot of our discussion happens in the wiki, or in RuneScape itself |
| 19:09.05 | Luig1 | But anyway |
| 19:09.31 | Luig1 | Yeah, I'm hoping that Wikia will listen to what we're asking of them without us actually having to leave |
| 19:10.19 | Luig1 | But it sounds like a moderately large portion of our sysops would be willing to leave if nevessary, i.e. if Wikia doesn't revert the ToU and allow us to keep using Monaco |
| 19:12.22 | pcj_2 | really don't see that happening |
| 19:12.56 | Luig1 | Me neither :( |
| 19:13.10 | Luig1 | Which is why these discussions are even happening... |
| 19:14.44 | Luig1 | That's just my version of them, though |
| 19:14.46 | Hobinheim | later y'all |
| 19:15.03 | Luig1 | The community might choose different proposals |
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| 19:15.23 | Luig1 | Or they might choose not to ask anything and just accept Wikia's changes |
| 19:15.58 | Luig1 | They'll definitely begin paying attention on Sept 3, when the site's skin suddenly changes without their input... |
| 19:16.12 | kd3 | oct 3, but yeah |
| 19:16.18 | kd3 | that's why we've gotten the ball rolling /now/ |
| 19:16.36 | Luig1 | That's what I meant, October |
| 19:19.03 | pcj_2 | wikia's all like "suprise!" and we're like "noooo /quit" |
| 19:19.39 | kd3 | side news; yay! friends of friends/add facebook friends can be turned off in RealID |
| 19:19.59 | pcj_2 | blizzard gets smarter while wikia gets dumber |
| 19:20.30 | Luig1 | Heh, yeah. It's like their motto is "If it's not broke yet, keep fixing it", or "Fix it 'til it's broke" |
| 19:20.37 | Luig1 | RealID? |
| 19:20.53 | Luig1 | ^Wikia's motto, not Blizzard's |
| 19:21.11 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Real_ID |
| 19:21.32 | pcj_2 | its like wikia's social initiative except they listened to community feedback |
| 19:21.45 | kd3 | after a complete and total shitstorm on the forums, that is |
| 19:21.55 | pcj_2 | well yeah but look at what wikia's got |
| 19:22.23 | Luig1 | Using real names? Why would you want that? |
| 19:22.35 | Ressy | When'd that happen kd3? |
| 19:22.37 | g0urra | because they don't want trolls |
| 19:22.38 | pcj_2 | i think the ideas was to minimize trolls |
| 19:22.41 | kd3 | ressy; today |
| 19:22.50 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=27026374133&sid=1 |
| 19:23.12 | Luig1 | Real names would make trolling *worse* though, because they could track you down and send you pizza |
| 19:23.16 | Luig1 | Or worse |
| 19:23.26 | Luig1 | Well w/e |
| 19:23.36 | kd3 | which uh... was one of the methods used against one of the forum CMs who revealed his real name |
| 19:23.38 | kd3 | >.> |
| 19:23.41 | Ressy | ^ |
| 19:23.43 | kd3 | not that the trolls got the right guy |
| 19:23.43 | Ressy | poor guy |
| 19:23.56 | Ressy | some random dude.. |
| 19:23.57 | Luig1 | He revealed his name to the whole forum? |
| 19:24.00 | Ressy | yeah. |
| 19:24.01 | Luig1 | Wtf, why? |
| 19:24.06 | Ressy | told to by higher ups |
| 19:24.12 | Luig1 | DX |
| 19:24.15 | Ressy | not like its hard to find their names tho |
| 19:24.17 | Luig1 | Poor guy |
| 19:24.19 | Ressy | its in the credits for each game. |
| 19:24.21 | Ressy | *shrug* |
| 19:24.34 | Ressy | but he was made as an example. |
| 19:24.44 | Ressy | 45,000 posts later, they changed their minds. |
| 19:25.33 | Luig1 | Anyways, I'm sure Blizzard knows what they're doing. They decided not to do that crazy stuff in the end, right? |
| 19:25.44 | Ressy | yeah. |
| 19:25.54 | Ressy | But they were doing it to follow Singapore laws. :\ |
| 19:26.18 | Luig1 | Well, hopefully Wikia will follow their lead and not force these stupid rules on every wiki |
| 19:26.30 | Luig1 | and we won't need to fork our whole projects over their BS |
| 19:26.33 | Ressy | any forums with over 300,000 users must have users post under their Real Names, to combat internet trolling and harassment. |
| 19:26.35 | kd3 | the realid FoF opt-out page (took me a few minutes to find it) is at https://us.battle.net/account/management/settings/change-communication.html |
| 19:26.35 | Eraclito | [21:23:01] <Luig1> Real names would make trolling *worse* though, because they could track you down and send you pizza <- or a inflatable sexy doll, like happened to me *sigh* |
| 19:26.52 | Ressy | and that upset you how Eraclito? |
| 19:27.07 | Luig1 | Hence <Luig1> Or worse |
| 19:27.16 | Eraclito | because i don't like latex chicks :< |
| 19:27.29 | pcj_2 | better than pixels imo |
| 19:27.41 | Luig1 | ^ |
| 19:27.42 | Eraclito | i like pixels |
| 19:27.55 | pcj_2 | sends Eraclito a pixel in the mail |
| 19:27.56 | Eraclito | also i think hands feel better than plastic |
| 19:28.04 | Eraclito | faps to that pixel |
| 19:28.07 | Eraclito | i mean, err |
| 19:28.22 | Eraclito | how's going in the thread about moving? :> |
| 19:28.34 | pcj_2 | we're all sad because you're not there |
| 19:28.53 | Eraclito | aww but i almost never contribute because i'm bad at writing serious english |
| 19:29.43 | Eraclito | btw i read someone suggesting blizzard to host the wiki |
| 19:29.48 | Eraclito | is it actually possible? |
| 19:30.13 | kd3 | there's emails going out all over, we can't talk about specifics yet |
| 19:30.26 | Eraclito | oh yeah, it just seemed a bit weird to me |
| 19:30.35 | Eraclito | but if it was possible i think it's a nice idea |
| 19:30.40 | g0urra | Get Curse to host it.Ackistc 18:14, September 30, 2010 (UTC) |
| 19:30.40 | g0urra | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:31.12 | pcj_2 | Curse > ZAM > Wikia imo |
| 19:31.12 | Luig1 | I know that in Runescape's case Jagex wouldn't do that. They have their own 'knowledge base' and quest help system. We're the largest fansite, but we only have 'silver' fansite status, the lowest of four ranks (the top being platinum) |
| 19:31.13 | pcj_2 | ofc independent > all if we can make it work |
| 19:31.17 | Eraclito | i'm not pro-Curse, but they offer good services averall, and i agree on Curse > ZAM > Wikia |
| 19:31.26 | g0urra | pcj_2: where's blizzard on that scale |
| 19:31.36 | pcj_2 | blizzard is a dream wrapped in a legend |
| 19:31.44 | Xtek | Yay, people don't hate us :D |
| 19:31.46 | Xtek | \o/ |
| 19:31.47 | pcj_2 | idk kd3 have you tried at all |
| 19:31.51 | g0urra | Xtek |
| 19:31.55 | g0urra | where were you last night |
| 19:31.55 | Xtek | g0urra |
| 19:31.56 | Luig1 | Does Blizzard have any preexisting relationship with your site? |
| 19:31.57 | Eraclito | imo Blizzard > Curse > ZAM > Wikia, but again seems a bit weird blizzard hosting wowwiki |
| 19:31.59 | Xtek | Working? |
| 19:32.06 | kd3 | we're an official blizz fansite |
| 19:32.07 | pcj_2 | we're an official fansite |
| 19:32.07 | Eraclito | blizzard considers wowwiki an official fansite |
| 19:32.14 | pcj_2 | also we're a fansite that's official |
| 19:32.30 | Eraclito | and official means beta keys, press invites and stuff we mortals don't know |
| 19:32.32 | Luig1 | Are there many of sthose? |
| 19:32.32 | g0urra | also we're an official site by fans |
| 19:32.46 | g0urra | Eraclito: LOL BETA KEYS |
| 19:32.47 | g0urra | oh wait |
| 19:32.51 | g0urra | that was kirkburn |
| 19:32.51 | g0urra | nvm |
| 19:32.52 | Xtek | I believe it translates into fans of site |
| 19:33.03 | Eraclito | g0urra, lol :P |
| 19:33.06 | Xtek | Most English > Latin based languages do |
| 19:33.07 | Xtek | at least |
| 19:33.07 | pcj_2 | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/community/fansites.html |
| 19:33.19 | Eraclito | (stuff we mortals don't know > nethaera sexy photos?) |
| 19:33.38 | Eraclito | (...i guess she's here under another alias and i'll get pwned) |
| 19:33.45 | pcj_2 | well lets just say the neth sexy photos > ghostcrawler sexy photos |
| 19:33.50 | kd3 | ^ |
| 19:33.52 | g0urra | yeah |
| 19:33.55 | g0urra | pcj_2 knows |
| 19:33.57 | g0urra | he's compared |
| 19:34.04 | pcj_2 | and that there are some things that cannot be unseen |
| 19:34.06 | Eraclito | weird shit found on /b/ > ghostcrawler sexy photos |
| 19:34.30 | Luig1 | I mean, Blizzard's pretty great (I've loved everything I've ever had from them), so I'm sure they'd be more willing to host you guys than stuffy old Jagex, but I wonder if they'd want to copyright it? They wouldn't be able to get around CC-BY-SA⦠|
| 19:34.47 | g0urra | so old pic of neth though |
| 19:34.48 | g0urra | 3 years |
| 19:34.49 | g0urra | psh |
| 19:35.03 | pcj_2 | meh there are a lot of blizzard employees that use wowwiki |
| 19:35.09 | pcj_2 | i can't see them adopting it though |
| 19:35.15 | Luig1 | Too bad |
| 19:35.28 | Luig1 | That would be awesometastic for your site |
| 19:35.36 | Eraclito | would be really nice |
| 19:35.50 | Eraclito | from official fansite to official site |
| 19:36.08 | pcj_2 | not sure what that would do to the existing admin structure though |
| 19:36.18 | Ressy | I know of 1 emp that has edited pages... :) |
| 19:36.19 | pcj_2 | anyway it would be a logistical mess i think |
| 19:38.43 | Eraclito | there are a lot of blizzard employees that use wowwiki <- so they know that you admins are good in doing your job |
| 19:39.11 | Ressy | Its the best place to go if you're looking for something specific |
| 19:39.13 | Eraclito | you always follow blizzard policies in not allowing datamined stuff and nda |
| 19:39.39 | Luig1 | So, how many admins do you guys have here? I remember on RSW we had this whole big issue when we decided to hilite their usernames (And people argued that it would violate aeae), and when I counted there were at least 75 admins total. |
| 19:39.50 | pcj_2 | probably 5-7 active ones |
| 19:39.56 | pcj_2 | like 25 total |
| 19:40.08 | Luig1 | D: |
| 19:40.21 | Luig1 | How do you deal with vandalism? |
| 19:40.29 | Luig1 | Blocking vandals etc? |
| 19:40.31 | pcj_2 | only registered users can edit |
| 19:40.32 | pcj_2 | it helps |
| 19:40.36 | kd3 | a lot |
| 19:41.25 | Luig1 | Well, only registered users can edit our wiki, too, but... Hmm, I guess 5-7 admins around all the time would probably be enough, bow that I consider it. |
| 19:41.34 | Luig1 | now* |
| 19:41.38 | Sky2042_afk | It's weird that we don't see vandalism. |
| 19:41.50 | Sky2042_afk | Like, very weird. |
| 19:42.08 | Sky2042_afk | Our plausible reach is 10 million people, yet I see less vandalism here than on SmashWiki. |
| 19:42.21 | Sky2042_afk | Which they have a higher reach, but not nearly the activity or the community. |
| 19:42.30 | Eraclito | sometimes people create fanfic pages, and they get fastly moved on their user pages |
| 19:42.46 | Eraclito | i think it's the most 'vandalic' stuff that happens |
| 19:43.22 | pcj_2 | we have a pretty extensive blacklist against spam bots |
| 19:43.28 | Luig1 | Well, for example, for example, one time some guy from 4chan edited an unprotected template on recent changes to obscure the page, and at least 3 sysops reacted within a minute. I find that level of protection exceptionally useful. |
| 19:44.32 | Luig1 | That's why I was surprised, but I'm sure that you have a different sort of community, with a different system to handle that sort of thing |
| 19:44.34 | pcj_2 | well AjaxRC does help for near-realtime monitoring of recent changes |
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| 19:45.38 | Luig1 | Heh, that vandal obscured recent changes *itself*. The sysop who fixed it used some sort or automatic rollback or something. |
| 19:45.47 | Aikar | i use to have my irc bot pull rss change log and auto post all edits to my irc channel |
| 19:45.52 | Aikar | you could setup similiar |
| 19:46.16 | Aikar | we also had forum post notification, so we was able to answer forum posts quick lol |
| 19:46.16 | Sky2042_afk | Aikar: See #cvn-wikia-wowwiki, I think it is. |
| 19:46.20 | Aikar | ah |
| 19:46.41 | Sky2042_afk | There's a whole set of #cvn channels. Wikipedia maintains a set, as does Wikia. |
| 19:46.45 | Luig1 | Yeah, we don't have a huge vandalism problem most days. Maybe we went overkill promoting all these admins, I guess. |
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| 19:47.31 | pcj_2 | meh |
| 19:47.37 | pcj_2 | as long as you can trust them with the tools it doesn't hurt |
| 19:48.08 | Sky2042_afk | Which is not how the majority on Wikipedia see it, but we aren't Wikipedia, as I am so oft reminded of. |
| 19:48.16 | Sky2042_afk | Probably a good thing in that case. |
| 19:49.05 | Luig1 | Yeah, we don't just let anyone through. There are actually some users who've rfa'd multiple and been opposed every time, for the same reasons. |
| 19:49.18 | Luig1 | multiple times* |
| 19:50.29 | Luig1 | Anyway though, is anyone here aware of any possible alliances of gaming wikis in existence? |
| 19:51.19 | Luig1 | Someone in clan chat was considering earlier the possibility of a nintendo wiki alliance style setup, and I wasn't sure what he meant |
| 19:52.13 | Sky2042_afk | Luig1: NIWA |
| 19:52.22 | Sky2042_afk | It actually exists already. |
| 19:52.34 | Sky2042_afk | Bulbapedia, ZeldaWiki, SamusWiki, and a few others I believe. |
| 19:52.48 | Luig1 | Right, I know it exists |
| 19:52.55 | Luig1 | How are they joined together? |
| 19:53.12 | Sky2042_afk | http://www.niwanetwork.org/wikis.html |
| 19:53.17 | Sky2042_afk | Not sure. |
| 19:53.43 | Sky2042_afk | I think they all have the same hosting, or it might be that they are simply and informally "allied" |
| 19:54.04 | Luig1 | Hmm, that'd be kinda nice. Independent wikis, shared hosting |
| 19:54.41 | Luig1 | Unlike Wikia. "The wikis are all ours, but you can have these forums for your little communities" |
| 19:54.48 | Sky2042_afk | separately owned, operated, and hosted. |
| 19:54.50 | Sky2042_afk | So it's largely informal. |
| 19:55.15 | Luig1 | Oic |
| 19:55.32 | Luig1 | I wonder what he meant by mentioning them, then |
| 19:55.35 | Luig1 | Well w/e |
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| 19:55.47 | Luig1 | We're still working on how we'll fund the hosting |
| 19:56.24 | Luig1 | Some people want to start a non-profit, others want to give one person control of the site to use the ad funds as needed, we haven't worked anything out at all |
| 19:56.34 | Luig1 | What are the popular suggestions here? |
| 19:58.46 | Sky2042_afk | The primary one we've been considering is approaching the big names on the Internet. This is largely due to our size and expected pagehits. |
| 19:59.40 | Luig1 | To transfer the ownership of the servers (and control of the ads) to another company? Like, |
| 19:59.47 | Luig1 | Like another wiki farm? |
| 19:59.51 | Luig1 | Are there many of those? |
| 20:00.24 | Sky2042_afk | Well, big names on the Internet related to WoW. |
| 20:00.58 | Sky2042_afk | Not a wikifarm, if we can avoid it. |
| 20:02.35 | pcj_2 | wikifarms are geared to make money from wikis |
| 20:02.41 | pcj_2 | this is what individual wikis do not want |
| 20:02.58 | pcj_2 | you want a host that just wants to put one ad on a wiki and have done with it |
| 20:03.09 | Luig1 | Like other fansites? |
| 20:03.13 | pcj_2 | indeed |
| 20:03.34 | Luig1 | Which WoW fansite carries the most influence? |
| 20:04.07 | pcj_2 | hmm |
| 20:04.14 | pcj_2 | i would say perhaps bibi's mmo-champion |
| 20:04.27 | pcj_2 | which is part of curse now |
| 20:04.56 | Luig1 | Oic |
| 20:05.09 | Luig1 | That was one of the sites you were mentioning, curse? |
| 20:05.20 | pcj_2 | yes |
| 20:06.11 | Bibi | bow down to me pcj |
| 20:06.13 | Bibi | I'm influent. |
| 20:06.26 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+o Sky2042_afk] by ChanServ |
| 20:06.37 | *** kick/#wowwiki [Bibi!~Sky2042@wikipedia/Izno] by Sky2042_afk (Doesn't stop you from being kicked.) |
| 20:06.37 | *** join/#wowwiki Bibi (~Bibi@unaffiliated/bibi) |
| 20:06.38 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+v Bibi] by ChanServ |
| 20:06.43 | Bibi | <3 |
| 20:06.44 | *** mode/#wowwiki [-o Sky2042_afk] by Sky2042_afk |
| 20:06.46 | pcj_2 | you're more influent than wowinsider bibi thats not saying much |
| 20:06.47 | Sky2042_afk | <4 |
| 20:06.51 | Sky2042_afk | ^ |
| 20:07.05 | kd3 | g0urra, Sky2042_afk, pcj- inboxes |
| 20:07.11 | Sky2042_afk | mk |
| 20:07.21 | Luig1 | So, Some of your users want to just... sort of merge into another fansite? I guess that would be alright in some ways, since the content would remain CC-BY-SA anyway. I don't know how your site's community works, though, so I can't really say much about how that would work out. |
| 20:07.27 | Fisker | hey Sky2042_afk |
| 20:07.30 | kd3 | not so much merge |
| 20:07.32 | Fisker | who let the bums in? |
| 20:07.35 | kd3 | we'd set up a new mediawiki instance |
| 20:07.41 | kd3 | they'd just host it |
| 20:08.03 | g0urra | kd3, what about infoboxes |
| 20:08.13 | pcj_2 | inboxes |
| 20:08.16 | g0urra | inboxes |
| 20:08.17 | g0urra | yeye |
| 20:08.23 | g0urra | I'm not reading |
| 20:08.25 | Luig1 | Well, it wouldn't be the Wikia WoWWiki anymore, it'd be the <fansite> WoWWiki |
| 20:08.37 | pcj_2 | kd3: at least her initial response is not negative |
| 20:08.45 | kd3 | which is all I can ask for right now |
| 20:09.04 | Eraclito | bulbapedia has huge issues |
| 20:09.06 | Sky2042_afk | Luig1: We were never the Wikia WoWWiki to begin with. |
| 20:09.15 | Eraclito | (about gaming wikis, about 15mins ago) |
| 20:09.24 | Sky2042_afk | ^ |
| 20:09.54 | Sky2042_afk | Too bad vlad or ruslik didn't hold on to the domain for us. |
| 20:10.00 | Sky2042_afk | hindsight is a bitch. |
| 20:10.04 | Eraclito | i'm worried about moving in a own host because big wikis tend to have issues |
| 20:10.31 | Eraclito | bulbapedia limits edit to users, if i remember right they allow only one daily edit to own user page |
| 20:10.53 | Luig1 | That doesn't sound so bad |
| 20:11.20 | Luig1 | I never change mine as is, except for adding/fixing templates |
| 20:12.06 | Eraclito | me too, but no one like having limits just because otherwise edits overload the wiki |
| 20:12.22 | Luig1 | I suppose you're right |
| 20:12.33 | Luig1 | no limits > limits |
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| 20:15.25 | Luig1 | Anyways, I'll be heading out. Thanks for the info, folks. I sincerely hope that everything turns out for the best, however things go in the end. |
| 20:15.35 | kd3 | best of luck to you too |
| 20:16.05 | g0urra | I read inbox |
| 20:16.11 | g0urra | now back to SH HC |
| 20:31.11 | g0urra | kd3: I wondered what it was all about "her initial response" - then checked my spam mailbox |
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| 20:49.07 | g0urra | Spell_lifegivingseed |
| 20:49.26 | kd3 | cries again at his craptastic download speed |
| 20:51.45 | Ressy | ptr or beta? |
| 20:51.49 | g0urra | beta |
| 20:51.54 | Ressy | another patch todya? |
| 20:52.01 | kd3 | build 13177 |
| 20:52.33 | Ressy | that mount is sweet... I will def be making that. :) |
| 20:52.35 | g0urra | glares at blp not converting |
| 20:53.00 | kd3 | oh, did you see I updated the master icon list a few days ago? good job at getting most of them up, by the way |
| 20:53.13 | kd3 | has that on his to-do list but it keeps getting postponed |
| 20:53.14 | g0urra | np |
| 20:53.19 | g0urra | some didn't want to convert |
| 20:53.21 | g0urra | grumbles |
| 20:54.10 | g0urra | hmm |
| 20:54.14 | g0urra | GilneasPuzzle |
| 20:54.25 | kd3 | o_O; |
| 20:54.30 | foxlit | upload it somewhere? |
| 20:54.33 | kd3 | kicks his modem to download faster |
| 20:56.37 | g0urra | don't worry it''s just a new gilneas map |
| 20:57.26 | g0urra | http://www.wowwiki.com/File:WorldMap-RuinsOfGilneas.jpg |
| 20:59.11 | g0urra | achievement_worganhead.png |
| 20:59.12 | g0urra | gg |
| 21:00.38 | g0urra | INV_Misc_BabyArmadilloPet |
| 21:01.18 | g0urra | and of course |
| 21:01.19 | g0urra | INV_Misc_DarkPhoenixPet_01 |
| 21:03.43 | g0urra | http://www.wowwiki.com/File:Spell_lifegivingseed.png |
| 21:13.51 | Ressy | So we have a 4.0.3 release date now. |
| 21:15.55 | Ressy | nice find kd3. :) |
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| 21:34.09 | kd3 | gah; they just cannot stick to names in kelp forest |
| 21:34.23 | pcj_2 | did they change it again? |
| 21:34.48 | kd3 | no, it's still kelp'thar forest... but the holding pens is now 'the clutch', and smuggler's hole is now smuggler's scar |
| 21:34.56 | kd3 | they did finally fix "gnaws' ledge", however |
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| 21:37.37 | g0urra | grr kd3 |
| 21:37.41 | g0urra | just got it together |
| 21:37.46 | g0urra | goes back to icons |
| 21:44.55 | g0urra | Achievement_General_CityAttacker2 |
| 21:44.56 | g0urra | ?? |
| 21:48.40 | pcj_2 | um kd3 are you sure that the autocomplete dropdown sucking isn't a feature and that this edit http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Wikia.css&curid=289378&diff=2398381&oldid=2398013 doesn't break the ToU? |
| 21:48.56 | kd3 | >.> |
| 21:49.16 | pcj_2 | lol |
| 21:49.26 | Sky2042_afk | lol |
| 21:51.06 | g0urra | lol |
| 22:07.10 | g0urra | "but our part is in making an interface and features that attract people to the site" |
| 22:07.17 | g0urra | and drive away the ones who already are there |
| 22:07.54 | g0urra | "I think that, like me, youll find this is a skin that will really take the WoWWiki interface to the next level." |
| 22:08.02 | g0urra | http://www.wowwiki.com/Forum:Should_WoWWiki_leave_Wikia%3F#Some_thoughts_from_Wikia |
| 22:13.06 | pcj_2 | wow i didn't know sannse was a regular visitor like that |
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| 22:18.48 | PrimalZed | I'm poking around, looking at the sites that are supposed to be previewing this change, but I don't really see wha'ts different |
| 22:18.56 | PrimalZed | I don't know if I'm just being dense or something |
| 22:19.33 | pcj_2 | mmm |
| 22:19.42 | pcj_2 | wowwiki isn't a "preview" site |
| 22:19.50 | pcj_2 | though a lot of people did just get added to the beta |
| 22:20.02 | PrimalZed | which is why I said "looking at the sites that are supposed to be previewing this change" |
| 22:20.23 | Sky2042_afk | PrimalZed: Biggest difference is fixed width. Try viewing the pages at 1600 resolution. |
| 22:20.39 | PrimalZed | ah, i see |
| 22:20.39 | pcj_2 | fixed width, lack of navigation to tools, more ads |
| 22:20.46 | pcj_2 | more wikia everywhere |
| 22:21.50 | PrimalZed | I'm not noticing any more ads than usual. Might be because I'm logged in |
| 22:22.28 | pcj_2 | they plan to use the large background image on the sides of the page as ads |
| 22:24.33 | pcj_2 | try looking at a content article with a bunch of infoboxes |
| 22:24.34 | Sky2042_afk | Which is fine if it's relevant advertising to each wiki, but odds of that are about 0. |
| 22:24.40 | pcj_2 | its painful |
| 22:27.09 | PrimalZed | infobox on http://reddead.wikia.com/wiki/Red_Harlow doesn't look bad. I'm not sure what kind of page would have "a bunch of infoboxes" |
| 22:27.55 | pcj_2 | if you think that doesn't look bad... :S |
| 22:28.38 | PrimalZed | what's different about it? i figure the coloring is just part of the overall site settings |
| 22:28.49 | pcj_2 | bbiab |
| 22:28.51 | *** part/#wowwiki pcj_2 (~User@wowwiki/Pcj) |
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| 22:52.07 | Zeal | i'm not really following this issue at all, but: +fixed width vs. -number of ads, -no overiding control for each wiki, -entire column of ads that really should be for article meta info and navigation, -squished info because articles were never designed with fixed width in mind. |
| 22:52.36 | pcj | indeed |
| 22:52.50 | pcj | its like they want us to leave |
| 22:53.27 | Zeal | and -banner ad at top |
| 22:53.45 | pcj | and interstitials on outbound links |
| 22:53.54 | Zeal | seriously? ... |
| 22:53.58 | pcj | for logged out |
| 22:54.02 | Zeal | ah |
| 22:54.06 | Zeal | not so bad |
| 22:54.09 | Zeal | lol |
| 22:56.17 | sannse | certainly doesn't want anyone to leave. |
| 22:56.17 | pcj | dont forget image and page attribution on everything |
| 22:56.53 | Zeal | column for content, column with: drop down toc menu, summary, non-inline media, related articles, navigation/cats (still stand by the need for a cat derived navigation). |
| 22:58.42 | Zeal | editor controls inline or in a seperate menu. vertical banner ad outside the page layout along side, one horizontal below, and links to other wikia network sites and other wikia ads at the very bottom. |
| 22:58.50 | Zeal | would be nice |
| 23:00.22 | Zeal | user controls, logo, quick links, search etc. can stay up top. |
| 23:09.40 | Sky2042_afk | Sorry sannse. We don't want to leave either. But the way Wikia is going is kind of forcing the issue. |
| 23:10.44 | pcj | no skin-ation without representation and what-not |
| 23:10.55 | sannse | I hope you'll read my message on the forum Sky... it's a big change, I know, but there is a long way to go, even after the release |
| 23:10.57 | Sky2042_afk | And we've been unhappy with Wikia since Monaco and Quartz... |
| 23:12.00 | Sky2042_afk | sannse: I've had it in my mind to leave for a while. This is just the bag that breaks the camel's back. :) |
| 23:14.04 | sannse | It's hard for me to reply, because I understand, but I also honestly believe that this skin is a real improvement -- that's not to say I love every aspect of it, but I do think it's a good move (and I'm aware that's just gonna sound like pr speak ;) |
| 23:14.29 | foxlit | I don't perceive the skin to be the problem |
| 23:14.37 | Sky2042_afk | Actually, doesn't sound like pr-speak, but we have other problems that only become more evident with the new skin. |
| 23:15.01 | foxlit | The actual problem is the force with which it's being applied. |
| 23:15.13 | Sky2042_afk | The biggest problem, surely. |
| 23:15.15 | foxlit | This essentially feels like our Corporate Overlords are actually using their Overlord status. |
| 23:15.59 | pcj | compounded with the fact that we can't do anything to modify it |
| 23:16.51 | sannse | foxlit: but the alternative is to allow the rejection of change by regular users make the whole process fail - and handicap us with maintaining several versions... with the inevitable decrease in useability of those versions getting left behind |
| 23:16.57 | sannse | we've made that mistake before |
| 23:17.32 | foxlit | The secondary problem is that people probably do not think that any of the wikia's new features are worthwhile as such. |
| 23:17.45 | Sky2042_afk | sannse: That's a false dichotomy. |
| 23:17.56 | pcj | Not more worthwhile than actually fixing the current problems to be sure |
| 23:18.18 | Sky2042_afk | The third position is not to create new skins at all, but use the out-of-the-box skins. Which you don't want to do. |
| 23:18.23 | Sky2042_afk | There are a couple other positions out there. |
| 23:18.53 | pcj | is that what kama sutra is about? i thought it was something different |
| 23:18.54 | sannse | yes, we don't want to do that, because we don't think those are the best way to develop Wikia |
| 23:19.06 | Sky2042_afk | You don't think, being the key phrase. |
| 23:19.08 | Sky2042_afk | ;) |
| 23:19.08 | sannse | throws something at pcj ;) |
| 23:19.18 | Sky2042_afk | Hence why we're considering leaving. |
| 23:19.21 | sannse | throws the same thing at Sky2042_afk |
| 23:19.27 | foxlit | I'd imagine it's actually closer to "Wikia" |
| 23:19.37 | Sky2042_afk | Wikis are not grown by "what the overlords think". |
| 23:19.55 | Sky2042_afk | They are grown by an increase in contributions and creation of communities. |
| 23:19.56 | sannse | you would not believe the amount of thinking, and talking, that has gone on with this |
| 23:20.05 | Sky2042_afk | Wikia understood that at some point... |
| 23:20.10 | Sky2042_afk | Then they wanted to be profitable. |
| 23:20.11 | foxlit | It's not like a lot of contributors to wikis are thinking "How could we make things more awesome for Wikia?" |
| 23:20.20 | foxlit | Or even s/Wikia/other wikis/ |
| 23:20.28 | Sky2042_afk | sannse: Oh, I'm sure there's been talking. I'm sure there's been a lot. But none with /us/. |
| 23:20.38 | Sky2042_afk | The lack of transparency hurts just as much as the forcefulness. |
| 23:20.48 | sannse | this is the first time ever that we have had focus groups, and click statistics, and beta testing, and many other things in making a big decision here |
| 23:21.00 | Sky2042_afk | foxlit: Because we're making the content? :P :P :P |
| 23:22.46 | sannse | The problem I'm having at the moment is that someone says "I don't like it", and I say "I know, these are the things we did to make sure this is as good as we can make it for /all/ groups of users (including the future ones)".... but that's now what they want to hear |
| 23:23.24 | sannse | they want to hear "OK, we won't change anything", and I can't say that :( |
| 23:23.37 | Sky2042_afk | But we don't want you to say that. We don't mind change either. |
| 23:23.38 | pcj | yeah not changing things is hard |
| 23:23.44 | pcj | its almost like...not doing anything |
| 23:24.03 | Sky2042_afk | Wikis are slow, gradually changing creatures. :) |
| 23:24.39 | sannse | Sky2042_afk: didn't feel like that in the early days on Wikipedia ;) |
| 23:24.57 | Sky2042_afk | But these are not the early days for Wikia nor WoWWiki. ;) |
| 23:24.59 | sannse | actually, or when we switched to monobook (a decision made by the dev, by the way) |
| 23:25.12 | sannse | (on wikipedia I mean) |
| 23:25.32 | sannse | I very much hope they are early days for Wikia, and for WoWWiki... here's to a long life for both |
| 23:25.41 | Arrowmaster | i seriously have to ask, has anybody purchased one of these "External Sponsor Links" thats on the bottom of every page on wikia or are they just there to annoy everybody? |
| 23:25.48 | foxlit | Arrowmaster: yes. |
| 23:25.51 | foxlit | People have. |
| 23:25.57 | sannse | yep, they have |
| 23:26.12 | pcj | its a good thing wikia kept the promise for that list too |
| 23:26.15 | pcj | oh wait |
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| 23:26.52 | sannse | pcj: there's only so much time in the day -- I apologise for not being infallable or indefatigable (is that even a word?) |
| 23:26.59 | foxlit | sannse: perhaps not "OK, we won't change anything", but "We're going to do our thing, feel free to do whatever, but we're not going to offer technical support when you mess up" |
| 23:27.02 | Sky2042_afk | (Thnk it is a word.) |
| 23:27.07 | pcj | indefatigable is a word |
| 23:27.11 | foxlit | Rather than the ToU's "We're going to do our thing, AND DON'T YOU MESS WITH IT" |
| 23:27.25 | Sky2042_afk | The Video extension too... |
| 23:27.27 | pcj | but if you say you're going to do something do it or at least tell us you can't |
| 23:28.08 | sannse | pcj: yes, that part I will apologise for -- I should have got back to the wiki on that |
| 23:28.20 | sannse | points to the not infallable bit |
| 23:28.58 | Zeal | I'm only commenting on the new skin and stuff, cos i feel the same way others do about other things that have made me think wikia isn't in the wiki's best interests. |
| 23:29.49 | pcj | we understand that wikia is operating in its interests, we simply disagree that our interests coincide any longer |
| 23:29.59 | Sky2042_afk | And the social thing in general... |
| 23:30.03 | Sky2042_afk | sighs. |
| 23:31.13 | sannse | pcj: obviously I disagree, and all I can do is try to improve my communication and make sure that your feedback gets to everyone else here -- who very much want to hear it |
| 23:31.36 | pcj | i gave my feedback to kirkburn who promised the same |
| 23:31.49 | pcj | in addition to the beta forums where nobody was apparently listening |
| 23:31.53 | Zeal | in terms of skins and bast "improvements". If Monaco and Quartz was as good as wikia liked to claim it was, then it would have be adopted quicker and we wouldn't need to be changing now. |
| 23:32.18 | sannse | and Kirkburn did the same, it's all being passed back and talked about here |
| 23:32.29 | Zeal | You're still constantly fixing things, and it was far from satisfactory when those were added. i personally don't fancy going through it all over again. |
| 23:32.31 | pcj | i wouldn't expect him not to |
| 23:33.13 | sannse | again with the "nobody was listening"... of course we are listening - and adding your feedback to our other considerations (focus groups, click tracking, expert advice, etc) |
| 23:33.30 | Zeal | I simply have no respect or confidence in the people who design the features and skins at wikia. They get stuff done, but none of it is ever well thought out or an improvement. :/ |
| 23:34.56 | sannse | We've got some good people here with a lot of knowledge, Zeal, and the number of people in this office has expanded a lot since I got here |
| 23:35.50 | Zeal | No doubt. |
| 23:36.03 | Zeal | ideas is the trouble. :p |
| 23:36.39 | Zeal | but then i don't agree on ideas for the wiki with pretty much everyone in here, so no worries. |
| 23:36.51 | sannse | heh |
| 23:37.16 | Sky2042_afk | zeal is special. He's our own little design gadfly. |
| 23:37.24 | Zeal | lol |
| 23:37.25 | Sky2042_afk | ;D |
| 23:37.39 | Sky2042_afk | Which means the rest of us probably aren't too far off when we say stuff. |
| 23:37.41 | Sky2042_afk | chuckles. |
| 23:37.51 | Zeal | i regret following you on twitter Sky2042_afk, facebook too. :p |
| 23:38.03 | Zeal | damn spammer. |
| 23:38.14 | Sky2042_afk | zeal: You can unfollow me, as always. Facebook isn't as bad as twitter is. |
| 23:38.21 | Zeal | lol |
| 23:38.35 | Sky2042_afk | But I'm nothing. |
| 23:38.45 | Sky2042_afk | I follow a pair of people with over 50k tweets atm. |
| 23:38.51 | Sky2042_afk | You can imagine how many updates I get. :D |
| 23:39.09 | sannse | needs to get back to blog comments and talking (yeah, more of it) about the next blog post |
| 23:39.22 | pcj | ok thanks sannse |
| 23:39.22 | Sky2042_afk | bai sannse |
| 23:40.23 | sannse | I'll pop in again soon, I don't spend enough time on IRC these days ;) |
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| 23:40.39 | pcj | is it possible to trademark wowwiki? |
| 23:40.50 | Sky2042_afk | Is there a tm application on it yet? |
| 23:40.53 | pcj | no |
| 23:41.12 | Sky2042_afk | Then yes, it is. |
| 23:41.16 | pcj | hmm |
| 23:41.24 | Sky2042_afk | Good luck with the process though. |
| 23:41.29 | pcj | yeah |
| 23:41.34 | Sky2042_afk | I want to say the fees are in the 100s, at the least. |
| 23:42.07 | pcj | cheaper than buying the domain outright though |
| 23:42.22 | Sky2042_afk | But then, how do you enforce the tm? Legal fees? How fun! |
| 23:42.24 | Sky2042_afk | :P |
| 23:42.37 | pcj | why do you have to be a negative ned |
| 23:42.42 | Sky2042_afk | It's going to cost money, either way. Pick your poison: Give Wikia money, or give a lawyer money. |
| 23:42.47 | Zeal | with a tm, you can simply claim the domain. |
| 23:45.21 | Zeal | Sky2042_afk, ever used yahoo pipes? |
| 23:45.48 | Sky2042_afk | I don't use many things outside of the base websites, actually. |
| 23:45.50 | Sky2042_afk | Heh. |
| 23:46.30 | Zeal | Hm. well no point in me linking then. plus you probably don't want me to explain my little twitter rant at you. :p |
| 23:47.47 | Sky2042_afk | You are more than welcome to explain. Preferably via twitter, to restrict yourself to thoughts of 140 characters. ;P |
| 23:48.23 | Zeal | nooo |
| 23:48.24 | Zeal | lol |
| 23:48.30 | Sky2042_afk | zeal: ;) |
| 23:49.11 | Zeal | twitter can't decide how it wants to handle @ usage. |
| 23:49.30 | Sky2042_afk | Hmm? |
| 23:51.45 | Zeal | they made it so @user + message was only displayed to followers who also follow the user it was sent to. |
| 23:52.14 | Zeal | to get around it, people have be using .@user + message or just message + @user |
| 23:52.42 | Zeal | to ensure they show as replies still, but also show to all. |
| 23:53.08 | Zeal | which is also how people "mention" rather than reply |
| 23:53.12 | Zeal | so it's made a big mess |
| 23:53.28 | Zeal | and twitter picks up both and put them as replies |
| 23:54.06 | Zeal | # was originally for topics to make them searchable more easily and trending |
| 23:54.52 | Zeal | it's instead become a meta tagging system, which is ridiculous in such a small char limit, and when they're additional info added on instead of inline tagging |
| 23:55.21 | Zeal | twitter offers no support at all really for how the community uses the service |
| 23:55.36 | Zeal | and keeps back tracking or undermining it. |
| 23:55.50 | Sky2042_afk | Yup, you are definitely our design gadfly. |
| 23:55.55 | Sky2042_afk | ;P |
| 23:55.59 | Zeal | and no one sticks to any of the pseudo-standards, making it even worse. |
| 23:56.29 | Zeal | there's also no controls to filter your feeds at the service end |
| 23:56.32 | Sky2042_afk | You thought the millions of people would stick to pseudo-standards, when the rest of the Internet can't even fucking agree? |
| 23:56.43 | Sky2042_afk | :P |
| 23:56.44 | Zeal | instead you have to have an app do it for you via parsing, which is backwards. |
| 23:56.58 | Zeal | they would stick to them, if twitter supported them. |
| 23:57.08 | Sky2042_afk | uh huh |
| 23:57.11 | Zeal | btu they do bugger all. |
| 23:57.25 | Sky2042_afk | Just like the millions of web designers stuck to html4/xhtml1... |
| 23:57.36 | Sky2042_afk | Er, thousands. |
| 23:57.50 | Zeal | that's ie's fault. they did when other browsers supported it. |
| 23:58.46 | Zeal | but anyway, i wish i could dev, cos i hate my twitter feed, cos it's pure spam even if i do care about some of it. |
| 23:59.36 | Sky2042_afk | It's more spam at the lower levels of use. |
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| 23:59.45 | Sky2042_afk | You have to find people worth following. :/ |
| 23:59.49 | Sky2042_afk | That's terribly easy. |
| 23:59.54 | Zeal | some simple options like, hide replies, hide retweets (instead of forcing them on people), hide the stupid "your might like this person too" |
