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| 00:36.36 | Sky2042_afk | whoaaaaaoooooooooaaaaaa |
| 01:11.02 | kd3 | yay; the mass patch 4.0->4.0.3 thing is done |
| 01:12.02 | Amarande | kd3: is november 2 the release target still btw? |
| 01:12.13 | Amarande | seems from PTR like there's still an awful lot of stuff still needing doing |
| 01:12.26 | kd3 | I've not heard an official release date |
| 01:12.35 | kd3 | there's rumors, which are full of crap |
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| 04:44.46 | lucidfox | Okay, so |
| 04:45.27 | lucidfox | [[Patch 4.0.1 (PTR) (undocumented changes)]] needs to be moved to [[Patch 4.0.1 (undocumented changes)]] over the redirect |
| 04:46.04 | charitwo | http://mashable.com/2010/09/15/onstar-responsible-connectivity/+ |
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| 04:57.33 | lucidfox | pings kd3 |
| 04:59.22 | kd3 | done |
| 05:02.51 | lucidfox | Danke! |
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| 14:02.38 | Ose | hmm |
| 14:02.58 | Ose | are there any top hats with decent stats available in cata? |
| 14:03.51 | Ressy | depends what char you wanna wear it on. |
| 14:05.00 | Ose | I was thinking mage |
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| 14:17.46 | foxlit | "External Sponsor Links" Molten (Free Private Server) |
| 14:17.47 | foxlit | Largest FREE WoW server with no lag, days of uptime, no downtime, healthy economy, no custom content GM support and 98%-100% working classes and instances. |
| 14:18.07 | Ressy | is that an ad on wowwiki? |
| 14:18.14 | foxlit | Yes. |
| 14:18.21 | Ressy | fail |
| 14:20.04 | Dotted | foxlit time to ditch wikia |
| 14:20.10 | foxlit | "Amerika WoW |
| 14:20.10 | foxlit | Free and Legal World of Warcraft Midrate Private Server" |
| 14:20.34 | foxlit | Who is the idiot that approves those things? |
| 14:22.08 | Dotted | shitia |
| 14:22.44 | foxlit | Although, this is a nicely-wrapped div with a class tag |
| 14:23.04 | foxlit | I could just display:none this idiocy, but I doubt people would be happy |
| 14:23.13 | pcj_2 | foxlit: http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Bad_ads |
| 14:24.16 | foxlit | pcj_2: it's not even a third-party network that's serving this crap |
| 14:25.13 | pcj_2 | yeah |
| 14:25.17 | pcj_2 | i don't say its not stupid |
| 14:25.25 | pcj_2 | foxlit: are you logged in? |
| 14:25.39 | foxlit | pcj_2: Not while looking at those things, no |
| 14:25.52 | foxlit | They don't show up for editors, which was a clever move. |
| 14:26.34 | pcj_2 | yeah |
| 14:26.53 | pcj_2 | well if the vote comes up and we have the means i vote to leave wikia |
| 14:28.34 | Dotted | on *:text:*wikia*:#wowwiki: { msg $chan $nick meant: shitia } <- so tempting :P |
| 14:29.07 | Ressy | nice idea of wikia's for the sep wowvid wikia |
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| 16:16.54 | Ressy | My facepalm of the day: http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20100915/fake-cop-scam-100915/20100915/?hub=TorontoNewHome |
| 16:24.36 | pcj_2 | ... |
| 16:24.38 | pcj_2 | fail |
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| 16:46.01 | pcj_2 | http://www.frustratedkid.com/20-worst-tv-news-fails/ |
| 17:01.26 | pcj_2 | http://www.break.com/index/crazy-85-mph-moped-stunt |
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| 17:18.16 | pcj_2 | http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2010/09/15/2010-09-15_begged_his_victims_for_mercy_elderly_womans_words_to_sicko_dont_hurt_us_god_will.html |
| 17:18.33 | pcj_2 | http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/entertainment/091510-shaq-sued |
| 17:22.42 | Ressy | Somehow I highly doubt an NBA star knows the first thing about hacking. |
| 17:22.47 | Ressy | facepalms |
| 17:23.05 | pcj_2 | ressy: you're only allowed one facepalm per day |
| 17:23.25 | Ressy | per country. |
| 17:23.35 | pcj_2 | oh |
| 17:23.38 | Ressy | Thats my US facepalm. My other facepalm was Canada. |
| 17:24.19 | pcj_2 | i see |
| 17:25.30 | pcj_2 | http://www.kansascity.com/2010/09/14/2224629/ihop-the-pancake-maker-sues-ihop.html |
| 17:26.45 | pcj_2 | http://www.nationalpost.com/Garbage+truck+cameras+give+meaning+trash/3525946/story.html |
| 17:29.27 | Ressy | wow.. seriously. |
| 17:33.01 | pcj_2 | http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE68C46220100913?feedType=RSS&feedName=oddlyEnoughNews&rpc=22&sp=true |
| 17:33.39 | pcj_2 | http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE68744L20100908?feedType=RSS&feedName=oddlyEnoughNews&rpc=22&sp=true |
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| 18:08.21 | pcj_2 | kd3, kd3|netbook: check out susan's latest post on the beta forum |
| 18:11.54 | kd3|netbook | ! |
| 18:11.59 | kd3|netbook | tabs open firefox |
| 18:14.06 | kd3|netbook | sigh\ |
| 18:15.24 | pcj_2 | we really need to get away from wikia |
| 18:15.35 | pcj_2 | i think they enjoy making work for us |
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| 18:36.07 | foxlit | the what now? |
| 18:37.13 | pcj_2 | foxlit: wikia is forcing a new skin on us |
| 18:37.20 | pcj_2 | kd3 and i are in the beta test for that skin |
| 18:38.48 | kd3|netbook | and so is fandy, incredibly ;) |
| 18:40.48 | foxlit | Any more forced than monaco? |
| 18:40.53 | pcj_2 | yes |
| 18:41.12 | pcj_2 | see http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Sannse/Your_First_Look_at_the_New_Wikia |
| 18:42.18 | Ose | that common.css thing i ridiculous |
| 18:42.21 | Ose | is* |
| 18:42.50 | pcj_2 | most retarded idea ever |
| 18:42.55 | pcj_2 | but what do you expect from wikia |
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| 18:43.27 | pcj_2 | "oh hey screw you smart people, we're going to help the dumb people out" |
| 18:44.44 | foxlit | "Also, I forgot to mention, I NEVER heard of Recent Changes until today. I doubt many other users have either, making life harder on us existing users." |
| 18:45.11 | pcj_2 | lots of smart people at wikia, yep |
| 19:03.20 | kd3|netbook | ok... enough bitching at wikia for now. time to go sleep through world lit |
| 19:04.10 | pcj_2 | heh |
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| 19:45.24 | Ressy | you see ppl losing their beta rights? I guess they broke NDA. |
| 19:46.30 | pcj_2 | yes |
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| 20:50.04 | Sky2042_afk | speaking of which, pcj, have we heard from Curse. |
| 20:50.05 | Sky2042_afk | ? |
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| 20:54.52 | pcj_2 | Sky2042_afk: no |
| 20:55.05 | Sky2042_afk | mmhmm |
| 20:55.14 | kd3|netbook | so... what's fallen apart in the 30 minutes I've been offline? |
| 20:56.02 | Sky2042_afk | kd3: If only there was something. I'd be more entertained by that than the lecture I'm in atm. |
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| 20:59.15 | pcj_2 | kd3|netbook: he's stewed about <youtube> not getting removed |
| 20:59.25 | pcj_2 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Forum:Removal_of_Video_pseudo-namespace#A_proposal |
| 21:01.28 | Ressy | So who's starting the other wikia, and who's gonna watch it? |
| 21:01.39 | pcj_2 | what do you mean |
| 21:01.57 | Ressy | Kirkburn suggested a sep wikia for the vids. |
| 21:02.26 | pcj_2 | oh |
| 21:03.08 | Ressy | and wowvideos.wikia.com is available |
| 21:03.54 | pcj_2 | I don't really care to start it (because I don't have any videos to submit) or maintain it (because I hate how the "uploads" of videos is implemented). |
| 21:04.03 | pcj_2 | if Wikia starts it fine, just keep it separate |
| 21:05.43 | pcj_2 | http://community.wikia.com/wiki/File:Wow.jpg |
| 21:05.47 | pcj_2 | ^vomit |
| 21:06.05 | Ressy | Thats oasis? |
| 21:06.26 | pcj_2 | yes |
| 21:06.35 | Ressy | I don't think its that bad to be honest - i use the old skin so.. |
| 21:06.41 | pcj_2 | fixed width = bad |
| 21:07.02 | pcj_2 | imagine that on a 2048x1152 resolution |
| 21:07.07 | Ressy | yeah.. Will be hell on my damned laptop |
| 21:08.51 | Ressy | any way we can get around the fixed width? |
| 21:09.11 | pcj_2 | custom CSS |
| 21:09.26 | Ressy | personal, and not wiki-wide? |
| 21:10.19 | pcj_2 | Hard to say what they will allow yet |
| 21:10.40 | pcj_2 | Both are currently available |
| 21:12.04 | foxlit | Meh, fixed width is sanity |
| 21:12.23 | foxlit | The sidebar is kind of meh, though. |
| 21:12.23 | pcj_2 | fixed width at 1024px = death |
| 21:12.31 | pcj_2 | with most of that taken up by sidebar |
| 21:12.41 | Ressy | It is too large. |
| 21:13.03 | foxlit | It is adequately large for what it's showing, the problem is just that what it's showing is not interesting. |
| 21:13.13 | foxlit | "28 Pages on this wiki" I care why? |
| 21:13.28 | Ressy | epeen? |
| 21:13.34 | foxlit | The recent changes scroller will just be filled with junk for us -- not meaningful information, at any case |
| 21:13.53 | foxlit | A selection of random images is likewise useless, and will probably just pick one of the 42k item icons uploaded. |
| 21:14.23 | Ressy | wonder if you can set cat requrements for random images |
| 21:14.26 | foxlit | Wikia spotlights can go spotlight itself, and that's about everything that made it past the fold on that screenshot |
| 21:14.35 | Ressy | that way you can nocat = icons or whatever. |
| 21:14.50 | Ressy | Might be an idea anyways. |
| 21:15.29 | foxlit | also, the topbar (a) is too large (b) sucks. |
| 21:15.33 | foxlit | ^is |
| 21:15.35 | pcj_2 | old |
| 21:17.37 | Ressy | I'm assuming you can remove some of those buttons with CSS/JS? ie Site Maintenance, Blog Posts |
| 21:18.12 | pcj_2 | you can do anything with CSS/JS |
| 21:21.04 | Dotted | even make coffee |
| 21:21.09 | Ressy | I've seen their dev testing on a fake farmville wikia... |
| 21:21.19 | Dotted | with CSS/JS you become GOD! |
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| 21:21.29 | Ressy | one of the devs accidently vandalized the real farmville wikia. >.< |
| 21:21.36 | pcj_2 | ._. |
| 21:22.19 | Ressy | Was odd having to revert a staff's edits. |
| 21:23.08 | pcj_2 | humorously the account they used for those screenshots both has a guessable password and still has beta access |
| 21:30.45 | kd3|netbook | har |
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| 22:04.51 | Kirkburn | Foxlit, where was that ad? It most certainly should not have been approved |
| 22:06.25 | foxlit | gr, monaco hangs ocassionally |
| 22:06.46 | Amarande | Kirkburn: never mind the goldseller ads |
| 22:06.55 | foxlit | Kirkburn: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Largest+FREE+WoW+server+with+no+lag%22 |
| 22:06.58 | Amarande | the ones that give me [Ground Gear]s are the damn video ads with audio that can no longer be silenced |
| 22:07.14 | Amarande | seriously. the damn video ads DO NOT HAVE a mute button now that I can see |
| 22:07.14 | Kirkburn | Thanks, I'll get that dealt with (grrr!) |
| 22:07.20 | foxlit | There's one more |
| 22:07.40 | Amarande | and I really don't like it when it's 3 in the morning and people are sleeping and suddenly the house is abuzz with the sound of someone hawking Lime-A-Way. |
| 22:09.03 | foxlit | Kirkburn: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Free+and+legal+World+of+Warcraft+Private+Server%22 |
| 22:09.15 | Kirkburn | Thanks |
| 22:09.29 | foxlit | Kirkburn: also, those pages are not on http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Sponsored_pages |
| 22:09.51 | foxlit | The forum thread gave me the impression that that list would be maintained |
| 22:10.10 | Amarande | foxlit: well that depends now, said server might be legal in the host country depending on where it is, but that's a nitpick. :P |
| 22:10.14 | Amarande | like taiwan. |
| 22:10.26 | foxlit | (http://www.wowwiki.com/Forum:Article_sponsorship) |
| 22:10.31 | Amarande | friggin taiwan. they basically ACTIVELY safe harbor otherwise illegal game activities |
| 22:10.53 | Amarande | not to mention allow their media industry to flood the market with knockoffs of anime and game soundtrack CDs |
| 22:11.17 | foxlit | Kirkburn: there's also a meh "free wow" sign-up-and-do-crap-for-free-game-cards sponsor on some pages, but I doubt that's as easy to remove |
| 22:12.13 | Kirkburn | Yeah, I'm taking it to the top |
| 22:12.35 | pcj_2 | this one goes to 11 |
| 22:13.02 | Amarande | hmm ... going to 11 ... yes, pcj. please do sic Sindragosa on these people. :D |
| 22:13.13 | Amarande | preferably heroic. |
| 22:13.23 | Ose | Kirkburn: geif betas, nao! |
| 22:13.34 | Amarande | heh |
| 22:13.44 | Amarande | is there *anyone* who does heroic sindragosa other than guilds actively shooting for 12/12 H? :) |
| 22:14.06 | pcj_2 | Amarande: you do realize that's not the original reference for that right |
| 22:14.24 | Amarande | pcj: indeed. |
| 22:14.40 | Amarande | however, being that sindy is the 11th boss and an extremely unpleasant one, it'd be fun to sic her on gold sellers. |
| 22:14.48 | Amarande | especially on heroic. :D |
| 22:15.03 | Amarande | I imagine even most Lights of Dawn probably turn off heroic mode for sindy and then turn it back on for LK :) |
| 22:17.45 | foxlit | You, um, can't do that. |
| 22:17.48 | foxlit | But carry on. |
| 22:18.37 | Amarande | foxlit: you can turn heroic on and off on an individual boss basis in icc, fox :) |
| 22:18.54 | Amarande | and you don't need any of the first eleven bosses on heroic to get light of dawn that I know of, just LK |
| 22:19.21 | Amarande | can't you just kill LK once, then next week blaze through the instance on normal and turn it to heroic just for LK? |
| 22:19.48 | foxlit | No, you cannot. |
| 22:19.54 | Amarande | although, granted, if you don't have the skill to take down heroic sindy you probably aren't going to beat heroic LK, either |
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| 22:21.32 | foxlit | Simply put, the lich king does not spawn on heroic if you've killed Sindragosa on normal. |
| 22:22.57 | Amarande | And I'm supposing BQL and PP are required to be fought on heroic as well. |
| 22:23.05 | Amarande | Joy, since PP is almost as annoying as Sindy in the raids I've been in. :) |
| 22:23.33 | Amarande | At least PP is somewhat more fun, though. |
| 22:24.04 | Amarande | Sindy is challenging, to be sure. Sindy is a boss you certainly feel the usual rush of difficult boss defeat triumph at beating, to be sure. However, Sindy is most definitely *not fun*. |
| 22:24.47 | Amarande | Blood Princes, on the other hand, that's a fun mobility fight. :) |
| 22:25.11 | Amarande | and yet, I constantly run into people who love sindy and hate blood princes |
| 22:25.13 | Amarande | I do not understand them. |
| 22:25.27 | Amarande | except maybe the ones who just hate blood princes because they seem too Twilighty. |
| 22:25.47 | Amarande | because there are entirely too many references to twilight in this expansion |
| 22:25.53 | Amarande | :) |
| 22:32.23 | Kirkburn | foxlit, pcj, kd3, I'm making sure your concerns are heard. Even just on the ad issue, I'm shocked that those got through. I gave very specific information on what not to ever approve. Someone ignored it. |
| 22:34.49 | Kirkburn | I actually think http://community.wikia.com/wiki/File:Wow.jpg looks pretty good, fwiw, though I'd tweak those oranges: they should be gold, not orange. (Plus it will want to be cataclysm'd, obv) |
| 22:37.27 | Amarande | actually, the thing about PP vs. Sindy |
| 22:37.37 | Amarande | is that PP actually IS a fun fight if you have a raid that doesn't keep tripping up and failing |
| 22:38.06 | Amarande | while Sindy is just a fight that's got that fatal combination of difficult AND boring |
| 22:39.13 | Amarande | (although it really does kind of grind my gears that I can't block the tear gas stun with IBF :S) |
| 22:39.24 | Amarande | curse you blizzard and all your damn stuns that IBF doesn't work on :) |
| 22:40.01 | Amarande | it doesn't seem to work on garfrost's stun either ... although it does work on ymiron's |
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| 23:03.27 | Kirkburn | foxlit, I've confirmation those ads will be dealt with (and we're discussing it further) |
| 23:05.57 | foxlit | Kirkburn: great :) |
| 23:06.08 | pcj | owned |
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| 23:10.15 | kd3|netbook | ya... I have been wtfing at some of the ads lately >.< |
| 23:12.53 | Kirkburn | Please do keep reporting them - I'm certaily raising the profile of them as an issue atm :P |
| 23:13.48 | kd3|netbook | could you clue-bat some of the ad guys for me? ;) |
| 23:14.26 | Kirkburn | Ah the disadvatages of working from home... |
| 23:14.55 | Kirkburn | metaphorically speaking ... yes siree |
| 23:15.16 | kd3|netbook | <3 |
| 23:15.17 | Kirkburn | Fun timing is Blizzard also wanting more control over ads displayed on fansites. |
| 23:15.29 | Amarande | Kirkburn: lemme guess |
| 23:15.32 | kd3|netbook | more control as in... more blizz ads? |
| 23:15.45 | Amarande | this will basically kill all fan sites except for ones run by major corporations (e.g., wikia) and people who pay for their own hosting |
| 23:16.07 | Kirkburn | I'd love that, but no ... more like what can't be shown |
| 23:16.26 | kd3|netbook | you mean like how we can't stand rmt ads either? sigh |
| 23:16.34 | kd3|netbook | sends some annoyed emails of his own |
| 23:16.49 | Amarande | kd3: the problem is some people, particularly ones with free-hosted blogs or sites, aren't going to have control over what ads they get |
| 23:16.59 | Amarande | and there are a LOT of wow blogs, in particular |
| 23:17.00 | Kirkburn | Nah, beyond RMT, anything Blizzard related has to be officially licensed |
| 23:17.20 | kd3|netbook | so... does this mean we can kill the damned guide ads, finally? |
| 23:17.24 | Amarande | Kirkburn: so sites can't even put banners up for each other, then? |
| 23:17.41 | kd3|netbook | blizzard related as in 'merchandised' |
| 23:17.46 | Amarande | or only if they do so for free, I guess |
| 23:18.12 | Kirkburn | I believe there was talk at one point of not even allowing ads for competitors, or somesuch - though that is not the case now |
| 23:19.09 | kd3|netbook | bah. I really do need to email a cluebat to some of my blizz contacts, then |
| 23:19.12 | Kirkburn | Ads for other sites would be fine I suppose, but none of us do that |
| 23:19.14 | kd3|netbook | that's news to me >.< |
| 23:19.35 | Kirkburn | Well, that was grapevine talk |
| 23:22.25 | Kirkburn | (kd3, yeah ... so ads those are being discussed - I'll get back to you) |
| 23:22.36 | kd3|netbook | kk, thanks |
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