| 00:00.01 | Alram | No details yet, but holy crap it's Ahn'Qiraj! Blizzard doesn't seem to be removing AQ20 / AQ40 (judging by the recent Temple of Ahn'Qiraj Guild Run achievement), so this may just be a flyover zone similar to Zul'Gurub in Northern Stranglethorn. |
| 00:00.49 | Amarande | Anything there, or is it like when you fly over the coliseum at the Tournament? |
| 00:01.00 | kd3 | last build it was empty |
| 00:01.02 | Alram | twas empty last build |
| 00:01.04 | Alram | yeah |
| 00:01.05 | Alram | :P |
| 00:05.11 | kd3 | blah, you need to optimize your files. my pngs are smaller than that ;) |
| 00:05.28 | g0urra | hah |
| 00:05.42 | g0urra | the png for the background got to a total of 1 mb |
| 00:05.53 | g0urra | I guess I could just change optimization in PS |
| 00:05.55 | g0urra | (yes I suck) |
| 00:06.23 | g0urra | uldum |
| 00:08.31 | Alram | bad |
| 00:09.19 | kd3 | I'm uploading all of the updated non-quest-zone maps now. (aq, azeroth, the dungeons and tol barad) |
| 00:10.58 | g0urra | mkay |
| 00:23.42 | g0urra | right |
| 00:23.48 | g0urra | after some time |
| 00:23.51 | g0urra | http://www.wowwiki.com/File:WorldMap-Uldum.jpg |
| 00:27.07 | Eraclito | my nerdmap sense is tingling |
| 00:27.20 | Eraclito | someone here is talking about maps :3 |
| 01:06.02 | kd3 | geez... 30 layers for twilight highlands |
| 01:07.20 | Alram | ha |
| 01:07.30 | Alram | just grab it from wowhead :p |
| 01:07.47 | Alram | oh |
| 01:07.50 | Alram | shitty quality |
| 01:07.50 | Alram | nvm |
| 01:08.06 | kd3 | indeed. and then I can't put it in [[Category:Map sources]] with the others I've got queued up |
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| 07:36.32 | Kenran | hey together |
| 07:37.45 | Kenran | i didn't play wow for quite some time now, and planning to start again on another server, but i'd like to know what classes are generally searched for at the moment? |
| 07:37.57 | Kenran | or rather, what roles are rare, tanks? healers? |
| 07:38.15 | Kenran | since when i left, you always waited for tanks most of the time when in queue |
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| 07:42.44 | Amarande | Kenran: there's usually far more DPS than healers, and slightly more healers than tanks |
| 07:42.47 | Amarande | however, the thing is |
| 07:42.58 | Amarande | tanks have fairly stringent gear requirements that no other role really has |
| 07:43.03 | Amarande | unless you're a druid anyway |
| 07:43.23 | Amarande | thing about plate tanks is that you basically HAVE to have 535 defense for heroics and 540 for raids |
| 07:43.30 | Amarande | otherwise, no one will really take you seriously |
| 07:43.34 | Amarande | and you're also a strain on the healer |
| 07:43.46 | Amarande | no other role really has that specific of an ultimatum on their gear |
| 07:43.46 | Kenran | ah okay |
| 07:44.01 | Amarande | DPS do want to hit the hit cap optimally, but it's not nearly as critical as def cap on tanks |
| 07:44.19 | Kenran | so it's not really useful to go straight for a tank, since then i still have to farm a lot of gear on non-heroics when i'm 80, right? |
| 07:44.32 | Amarande | yeah pretty much :( |
| 07:44.40 | Amarande | my tank set has a lot of REALLY shining stars in it |
| 07:44.58 | Kenran | another option for me would be to just transfer my 80 DK, but i always played dps until now |
| 07:44.59 | Amarande | including an ICC10 2H axe and ICC25 gloves that I got on offspec rolls |
| 07:45.05 | Amarande | but I'm still far short of the defense cap |
| 07:45.05 | Kenran | thought it's time for sth new :) |
| 07:45.13 | Kenran | wow |
| 07:45.33 | Amarande | that reminds me, I have an ax to grind today |
| 07:45.39 | Amarande | since I only have 270 2H axe skill lol |
| 07:45.43 | Kenran | :D |
| 07:45.46 | Amarande | man, I'll be glad in cata when that crap goes away :) |
| 07:45.55 | Kenran | by the way... what is that "gear score" everybody talks of? |
| 07:46.07 | Amarande | lately, when it comes to that sort of thing I go grind on the elites outside of the Quetz'lun temple in Zul'Drak |
| 07:46.25 | Amarande | gear score is an addon, that generates an evaluation of people's gear based on, primarily, slot and ilvl |
| 07:46.38 | Amarande | a lot of people use it to decide if someone is geared for a raid and demand ridiculously high standards |
| 07:46.51 | Kenran | :/ |
| 07:46.55 | Amarande | if you're looking for an addon to check on people's gearedness, personally I recommend Elitist Group instead |
| 07:47.19 | Amarande | EG will give you a complete breakdown on people's gear, including whether it's gemmed and enchanted, and whether the items, gems, and enchants are appropriate for the player's spec and role |
| 07:47.34 | Amarande | GearScore really glosses over the whole gem, enchant, and role appropriateness thing, which is kinda sad |
| 07:47.53 | Kenran | ah, thanks for this tip, i'll check that out |
| 07:48.08 | Kenran | another thing: you mentioned druids being somewhat different from "normal" tanks, up there |
| 07:48.18 | Amarande | Kenran: yes, there's one particular reason for that |
| 07:48.25 | Kenran | don't they rely on items to tank that much? |
| 07:48.29 | Amarande | well, the thing is |
| 07:48.43 | Amarande | druids have a talent that removes their chance to be critically hit by mobs three levels or fewer higher than them while in bear form |
| 07:48.57 | Amarande | the reason you need 535-540 defense rating on a plate tank is so you can't be crit |
| 07:49.03 | Amarande | druids don't need that because of the talent |
| 07:49.08 | Amarande | although defense will still give them dodge and parry |
| 07:49.33 | Kenran | ah, that looks ince |
| 07:49.34 | Kenran | nice* |
| 07:49.35 | Amarande | Crits in heroics put a lot of strain on the healer, and crits in raids can just get you killed and wipe the raid |
| 07:49.46 | Kenran | i really thought about starting a druid |
| 07:49.59 | Amarande | and speaking of that |
| 07:50.02 | Kenran | thing is... i hate the tauren look ;) |
| 07:50.06 | Amarande | the defense rating thing is going away in a few months |
| 07:50.16 | Amarande | in Cataclysm, ALL tank classes will have talents like druids do |
| 07:50.22 | Amarande | there won't even be defense rating on gear anymore |
| 07:50.28 | Kenran | oh |
| 07:50.52 | Amarande | yeah, Cataclysm is removing a lot of stats from directly being found on gear |
| 07:51.01 | Amarande | the stats will, for the most part, still exist, but you won't be able to get direct bonuses to them on gear |
| 07:51.08 | Amarande | for instance, spellpower and attack power are going away |
| 07:51.27 | Amarande | but you will (this is new in cata) get spellpower from intellect, and you'll still get attack power from strength or agility |
| 07:51.29 | Kenran | that will be strange i think |
| 07:51.44 | Amarande | actually spellpower isn't 100% going away, but caster weapons will be the sole items featuring it directly |
| 07:52.02 | Kenran | i just checked: my gear score on my DK is 4808, is that OK to do some simple raids? |
| 07:52.15 | Amarande | Kenran: yeah, it should be |
| 07:52.23 | Amarande | you might have trouble finding groups in the beginning |
| 07:52.35 | Amarande | but I had less than that when I started ICC, and I've not really had trouble once I actually found a group |
| 07:53.15 | Kenran | well, finding a group is going to be the problem then :) |
| 07:53.30 | Kenran | for a DPS char at least |
| 07:54.14 | Amarande | you'll find it |
| 07:54.21 | Amarande | I was sure I was never going to get to raid on my DK |
| 07:54.31 | Amarande | now I am one of the most solid, reliable DPS in the raid I belong to |
| 07:54.33 | g0urra | woah people actually talk here? |
| 07:54.39 | g0urra | silly people |
| 07:55.00 | Amarande | I started as a sub 4800 GS DPS DK struggling to find a raid group, found one that even met my work schedule requirements |
| 07:55.21 | Amarande | and started performing quite well, have had massive upgrades in gear since (I'm in the 5500s now) and our raid is 11/12 ICC10 now |
| 07:55.24 | Kenran | well, for how long were you searching? ;) |
| 07:55.31 | Amarande | quite a while |
| 07:56.08 | Amarande | sometimes it can feel like looking for love |
| 07:56.14 | Amarande | And Elua knows I haven't found THAT yet |
| 07:56.15 | Kenran | xD |
| 07:56.19 | Amarande | but you find it eventually |
| 07:56.32 | Amarande | or the search for khorium, or trying to get the 400th weapon skill point. :) |
| 07:56.49 | Amarande | I'm gonna install GS now, but that's just so I know what the hell people are talking about |
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| 07:58.29 | Kenran | yep, just to compare |
| 07:58.44 | Kenran | it feels quite strange to play my DK, since it's been so long |
| 07:58.54 | Amarande | and so I don't have to keep looking up on wtfismygearscore.com |
| 07:58.55 | Kenran | i have to get to know the skills again |
| 07:59.05 | Amarande | I main a DK, so skills come easy for me |
| 07:59.10 | Amarande | although I'm still learning the ropes of tanking on one |
| 07:59.26 | Amarande | and trying to finish my gear set |
| 08:00.26 | Kenran | is there any information about when the addon will actually come? |
| 08:00.37 | Kenran | i read that there will be new druid races, right? |
| 08:02.40 | Amarande | new races for most classes actually |
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| 15:28.08 | g0urra | 222 down, 210 to go |
| 15:29.13 | Ressy | :( |
| 15:30.03 | g0urra | 240 |
| 15:30.49 | g0urra | RecentChanges looks nice and clean though |
| 15:39.42 | Ressy | cuz everything's Upload/edits to images you've uploaded. lol |
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| 17:22.39 | g0urra | aaaaaaand done. |
| 17:22.50 | g0urra | that was slightly annoying |
| 17:22.57 | pcj_2 | was it? |
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| 17:24.37 | g0urra | your face is annoying |
| 17:24.53 | Ose | :( |
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| 17:37.30 | g0urra | yes Ose, especially yours |
| 17:38.06 | Ose | >:( |
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| 22:33.32 | pcj_2 | yeah but then i got to rescue thrall |
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