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07:37.13NapsterbaterIs there any current site issues that would cause the pages to be blank when logged in?
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10:38.54Zealpcj, any chance you could link a page that's making use of SMW atm? just curious about what it means for the wiki articles, never used it.
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11:04.13pcjZeal see the bottom of http://www.wowwiki.com/Quest:Divino-matic_Rod
11:08.30Zealhm
11:08.38Zealty.
11:09.20Zealso not only does it allow requesting properties from pages, it allows a form of categorising and searching on those properties?
11:10.04ZealHm, i like. pwn.
11:10.49ZealCan't wait to see the new tooltip and other summary templates using it then. :)
11:14.11pcjtooltip's going to be tricky to implement but that's the idea
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11:23.52Zealkd3 had you actually noticed my comments on the talk page of your zones article?
11:31.12fitterIs 822 armor good for a level 12 warrior? I find myself getting hit pretty hard by some monsters :-/
11:33.48fitter& yeah making use of tooltips can be pretty annoying at first if you using your own scripts, but it gets better after a while
11:34.10fitterended up using a variant of jquery tool's tooltip
11:36.09ZealNot quite what we were talking about. :p
11:36.19Zeal{{tooltip}}
11:36.44Zealhm, dotted no love me.
11:36.56fitterOh :x
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13:59.17Ressygood morning
14:01.33Zealafternoon. :)
14:33.17charitwohttp://blogs.houstonpress.com/hairballs/2010/07/housrou_kedji_swallows_85_coke.php
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15:27.21Sky2042_afk25 deletions a minute using AWB. That was nuts.
15:28.00charitwoi delete faster with multidelete lol
15:28.46Sky2042_afkNow why is MultiDelete restricted to staff, helpers, and vstf? -.-
15:29.10Sky2042_afkYes yes, I know the reason.
15:42.11pcj_2No you don't
15:44.57Sky2042_afkWikia are untrustworthy bastards.
15:45.00Sky2042_afkHrp.
15:47.35pcj_2Well yeah
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15:57.44RessyI assume you guys got the SMW working cuz of all the cat deletions? heh
15:58.57pcj_2Yeah its working
15:59.23pcj_2We're still in the process of implementing it
16:00.17Sky2042_afkRessy: I hit 25 deletions per minute using AWB :O
16:02.08pcj_2Weak
16:02.14Sky2042_afkI could have every main space page deleted in 2.4 days of continuous deletion.
16:02.55Sky2042_afkI could have everything on wiki deleted in 5 and 5/9 of a day!
16:02.58Sky2042_afkMUAHAHAHAHAHA
16:03.00Sky2042_afkTHE POWER
16:03.44Sky2042_afkIn that amount of time, you could travel 89.42 billion miles at the speed of light.
16:03.59Sky2042_afkOr take 481 trips to the Sun and back.
16:04.47pcj_2Boring
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16:06.09Sky2042_afkThat said, I'd only get about 1.25/365 of the way to the next closest star.
16:06.12Sky2042_afklolololol.
16:06.43Sky2042_afkloves WolframAlpha.
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16:08.16pcj_2*yawn*
16:08.35RessyI do love AWB..  and 25/min isn't bad..  I tend to get like 6-8 edits/min.
16:09.07pcj_2Nice
16:09.57Sky2042_afkI can get up to about 11-13 e/min
16:11.59pcj_2That's great
16:12.31pcj_2Ever tried pywikipediabot?
16:13.13Sky2042_afkI looked at it a long time ago, couldn't get it to work on wiki. I'll have to poke at it again, as AWB isn't very ideal for the quest-moving goal.
16:14.02pcj_2Seems faster to me, at least for utility work (deletions and moves)
16:14.20Sky2042_afkProbably is.
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16:15.02Sky2042_afkDeletion is a two step process in AWB, at least. Moves are a three step, I think.
16:16.20pcj_2Yeah you just give pybot a category or a list and it goes to work
16:17.14pcj_2What do you want g0urra
16:17.25g0urrafood
16:21.35Sky2042_afkHmm, I'm not sure pywiki moves with redirect suppressed.
16:22.08Sky2042_afkAnd I'm not sure what it does if there's a page in the way.
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16:39.09g0urra.. why is there an English (US) and English (EU) in both america and europe..
16:39.38Sky2042_afkBecause ENGB English users are faggots.
16:39.42Sky2042_afk:|
16:39.51g0urraand it would be really great if I clicked the cataclysm it would get me to the eu.battle.net
16:39.57g0urrainstead of us.battle.net
16:40.19Sky2042_afkThere's a set of en-gb mediawiki messages on en localized wikis, actually.
16:40.24Sky2042_afkMost are neglected.
16:40.39g0urrawell this explains things
16:40.48g0urraI thought there was odd names and text was all ?????
16:40.51Sky2042_afkOh, hrp drp, -noredirect hands suppresses.
16:40.52g0urralo and behold
16:40.56g0urra"Hamuul (KR)"
16:41.02Sky2042_afkhandles*
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16:43.52g0urranice, music.
16:46.55g0urra"Goblin All-in-1-Der Belt"
16:46.55g0urrahaw
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17:05.21g0urraso paladins are broken since they can't train abilities
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17:07.16Zealmy goblin is broken since i can't afford to redo talents to fix them (3 spent, but 0 actually used) since last patch. :(
17:07.30Zealwas actually enjoying mage for once
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17:09.06g0urraand Glyph of Seal of Wisdom doesn't work because..there's no seal of wisdom
17:10.08g0urraand blessing of wisdom inself doesn't exist
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17:10.40g0urrawell this is BS, I was hoping to play my paladin as my first 80 in cataclysm..
17:26.45Herodotustaxes g0urra's hybrid.
17:26.54g0urrawhich noe
17:27.01g0urraone*
17:28.14HerodotusAll of them.
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17:40.55kd3bah. I'm thinking it may be easier/less costly on the server to just redo tooltip from scratch
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17:45.07g0urrawhat was the command to increase view distance again?
17:45.22kd3<PROTECTED>
17:45.28kd3up the number and scroll out as necessary
17:46.14g0urranice.
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18:09.53Zealkd3: agreed on {{tooltip}} :p
18:09.53DottedZeal meant: www.wowwiki.com/Template:tooltip
18:28.53g0urrakd3: how do I make your fancy macros work in beta :(
18:29.06kd3you don't. they've disabled them. >.<
18:29.20kd3which is why the deepholm quests have less info than earlier zones
18:29.28g0urra><
18:29.33kd3hopefully they'll turn them back on in a few builds
18:29.39g0urrameh
18:29.48g0urrathen I can't find any info on [[Roadway Plans]]
18:29.48Dottedg0urra meant: www.wowwiki.com/Roadway_Plans
18:29.52g0urraseem to be new or something
18:31.36g0urrahm.. 2 NPCs has mysteriously disappeared
19:04.58Sky2042_afkkd3: I don't see a need to have dashes in property names where they aren't part of the exact property name, i.e. unique-equipped-qty should be unique-equipped quantity
19:05.52Sky2042_afkoh, Zeal and kd3: We don't need mode, arg, imlink, or link anymore.
19:06.29Sky2042_afkAnd {{item}} doesn't need to transclude pages anymore. :D
19:06.29DottedSky2042_afk meant: www.wowwiki.com/Template:item
19:07.20kd3meh. a lot of the esoteric stuff I'm just trying to get implemented. I'm not going to be heartbroken if the names are different
19:07.52Sky2042_afkMmhmm. I just don't want to edit over people to zomg-change-it.
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19:41.57Zealwell much of that old stuff was an attempt to implement properties for inclusion elsewhere, which smw can do better instead.
19:42.09Zealand g0urra "fancy macros"? :S
19:42.20Sky2042Zeal: /run macros.
19:42.36Zealmeh, who needs it.
19:42.44g0urrapeople who find stuff in beta?
19:42.54Zealfind stuff?
19:43.07g0urraNPCs, quests, items
19:43.15Zeallol@ adys still having +o
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19:43.57Zealtbh, who needs it still? :p let adys do the work from parsing the wdb's imo ;)
19:44.12Adyswhoneedswhat?
19:44.21Zeal<PROTECTED>
19:44.48Zealanyway, away again, was only on raid break. :p
19:51.26Sky2042fail.
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20:33.25kd3ok. are there any other equip: lines I missed?
20:33.26kd3[[Test]]
20:33.27Dottedkd3 meant: www.wowwiki.com/Test
20:37.32Sky2042kd3: Did you just go down the list in [[Attributes#Others]]?
20:37.32DottedSky2042 meant: www.wowwiki.com/Attributes#Others
20:37.37g0urra"Facts about Hunter's Hill"
20:37.37g0urrawhat
20:37.48Sky2042g0urra: Hmm?
20:37.54g0urrahttp://www.wowwiki.com/Hunter%27s_Hill
20:38.03g0urraI get that text at the bottom
20:38.30kd3that's part of smw
20:38.41kd3pages that don't have any semantic data should probably not display it
20:38.58g0urrasemwhat data
20:39.08Sky2042[[WW:SMW]]
20:39.09DottedSky2042 meant: www.wowwiki.com/WW:SMW
20:39.13Sky2042Go forth and read.
20:39.22Sky2042We're turning the wiki into a datawiki. >:)
20:39.27Sky2042Or a wikibase.
20:39.32Sky2042Depending on how you want to look at it.
20:39.33g0urra"Facts about Semantic MediaWiki"
20:39.34g0urrahrmpf
20:39.46Sky2042You can hide it in CSS if you want. :P
20:40.03kd3it'd help if ww:smw had a link to the doc or something
20:40.08g0urra^
20:40.14Sky2042Oh, let me add that.
20:40.20Sky2042Or you can.
20:40.21g0urraI'm away for a day and this happens
20:40.21g0urragreat
20:41.07kd3look at [[Test]] for what we're trying to do with this
20:41.08Dottedkd3 meant: www.wowwiki.com/Test
20:41.15kd3npcbox/questbox have been updated (somewhat) already
20:41.20kd3now if only the jobqueue would kick in
20:41.41kd3crucially, our job queue is broke. haaaalp
20:42.55Sky2042g0urra: Now we can see how many girls and how many boys are in WoW.
20:42.57Sky2042:D
20:43.40g0urrafuck
20:46.46cruciallykd3: it is broken because of solar flares
20:46.54kd3whee
20:47.12kd3oh, how badly are we pounding the servers atm just trying to get smw implemented? >.>
20:47.24kd3looks at {{T2}} and shudders
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20:49.08cruciallyno idea
20:49.09Sky2042kd3: The thing about T2 is that we'll have to bot the changes, which will help the queue to move along.
20:49.20cruciallythough
20:49.24Sky2042So don't freak out about it, other than the amount of parsing necessary to use it. :]
20:49.25pcj_2Yay
20:49.33cruciallywe are buying dedicated semantic mediawiki database servers
20:49.35Sky2042pcj: DROID
20:49.38kd3zomg
20:49.39Sky2042crucially: \o/
20:49.48cruciallyso there will be 4 machines dedicated to SMW dbs and nothing else
20:50.07g0urrahttp://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Cloth_armor&diff=prev&oldid=2217022
20:50.08g0urra¯\(º_o)/¯
20:50.10kd3sky; meh, the reparsing I'm not worried about. I've been working on an armory scraper for a while now
20:50.13pcj_2Actually samsung galaxy s
20:50.25Sky2042pcj_2: rofl
20:50.34ElunaOmg, people are talking..
20:50.41g0urrait's the beta
20:50.49ElunaWhat circle of hell have I entered?
20:50.50kd3and we've got new toys on the wiki
20:50.54Sky2042kd3: Er, meant the amount of breaking the wiki just using that many parameters in one template. :D
20:51.05Sky2042All with SMW related.
20:51.16ElunaSuper Mario World?
20:51.20g0urrayeah
20:51.21g0urraSMW
20:51.25Sky2042Is T2 our official working version of Tooltip for the moment?
20:51.31kd3sure
20:51.35Sky2042Okie.
20:51.40kd3I've stopped editing for a few minutes. go ahead
20:51.41g0urraSky2042 and kd3 are mario and luigi
20:51.58ElunaSweet
20:52.15Sky2042http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crfrKqFp0Zg
20:52.15ElunaOne is tall and thin, the other is small and fat. Both have greasy mustaches. :D
20:52.20Sky2042Relevant link is relevant.
20:52.22g0urrayou can be peach Eluna
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20:52.30g0urrapcj_2 is bowser
20:52.33ElunaTihi.
20:52.49g0urra"Eluna is in another instance"
20:53.01kd3"Additional instances cannot be launched at this time."
20:53.12Sky2042lololol
20:53.18g0urralololoolol
20:53.45pcj_2hahahahahaha
20:54.10Eluna"Additional pylons are needed"
20:54.30Sky2042Eluna: Fail.
20:54.40ElunaI know.
20:54.46Sky2042Not okay.
20:54.46ElunaEveryone in this channel hates that game.
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20:54.55*** kick/#wowwiki [Eluna!~Sky2042@wikimedia/Izno] by Sky2042 (I don't.)
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20:55.11ElunaI'm like this channels kick bitch. -.-
20:55.25Sky2042When you say stupid shit like that... :P
20:55.37ElunaMe love you long time?
20:55.58Sky2042Indeed.
20:56.14pcj_2hugs Eluna
20:56.32ElunaThanks :(
20:56.56pcj_2No I'm Bowser
20:57.33g0urraI'm toad
20:58.12pcj_2Uh what's the holy resist property for kd3
20:58.41kd3should probably not be there.
20:58.54pcj_2licks g0urra
20:59.05g0urrano
20:59.13ElunaSky2042: You on US or EU?
20:59.27kd3oh, is the sell line supposed to be above or below flavor text now?
20:59.29kd3can't remember
20:59.33Sky2042Eluna: US.
20:59.45Sky2042kd3: Check wowhead?
20:59.56Elunahrefmp
21:00.01ElunaOh well.
21:00.23Sky2042Eluna: Why?
21:00.29Adyskd3: after
21:00.32Adysfor the record
21:00.37Adyswowhead has it in the wrong place
21:00.40ElunaJust wanted to add you to my realid, but alas.
21:00.41Sky2042lol
21:00.42Adysdb.mmoc is more correct
21:00.44Adyscoughs
21:00.48ElunaI can't nag on you on battle.net
21:00.52Sky2042care level is low.
21:01.02ElunaCould probably be lower?
21:01.45Sky2042Eluna: The other problem you'd have with nagging me is that I don't have any relevant games to be nagged on. Don't have sc2 (was in beta), and I haven't installed cata beta yet.
21:02.01pcj_2You can't real id someone cross locale?
21:02.03Elunacata beta doesn't use real id
21:02.13Elunapcj_2: I don't think so no..
21:02.18Sky2042Eh? I don't have WoW installed either.
21:02.20Sky2042:P
21:02.25ElunaOh well.
21:02.30pcj_2Have you tried?
21:02.38Sky2042pcj_2: You can't.
21:02.48ElunaI'll just get your phone number, email and home address and start there.
21:03.00pcj_2O.o
21:03.09Sky2042Eluna: You can stalk me on Facebook, which should get you most of that. :]
21:03.12kd3lol
21:03.25kd3watches the jobqueue skyrocket and explode
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21:04.23Sky2042kd3: ?
21:04.32kd3just tweaked {{tooltip}}
21:04.33Dottedkd3 meant: www.wowwiki.com/Template:tooltip
21:04.46pcj_2How do you know Sky2042
21:04.52ElunaFacebook stalking is so 2007
21:05.05Sky2042pcj_2: Eh?
21:05.08Sky2042Eluna: rofl, no.
21:05.39g0urraEluna: would it be stalking if I told you who he is on facebook
21:05.55kd3wonders how to smw-ize |sell=
21:06.23ElunaMaybe not, I don't know. :)
21:06.33pcj_2Very carefully
21:07.05Sky2042g0urra: No. But I'm trivial to hunt down on the Internet. Just googling this particular moniker should do it.
21:07.14Sky2042kd3: You don't, for now.
21:07.17g0urrahaw
21:08.59ElunaGod, not having a phone makes me feel naked!
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21:09.09pcj_2O.o
21:09.31pcj_2Couldn't we make sell use custom units ?
21:10.05kd3probably. I was considering having sell call an internal template that takes cost-like parameters and returns the price in copper
21:10.26kd3points at {{cost2}}
21:10.47Sky2042Yeah, I noticed that, and that's basically the way you do it.
21:10.53pcj_2Maybe type = record?
21:14.24kd3type=record is probably how |skill, |skillrating / |rep,|rfaction should be implemented instead of what I have now
21:17.45Sky2042It occurs to me that we can change the function of cost to call tooltip.......
21:18.24Sky2042{{cost|<item name}} gets the cost.
21:18.25DottedSky2042 meant: www.wowwiki.com/Template:cost|<item_name
21:21.52pcj_2{{costitem}}?
21:21.53Dottedpcj_2 meant: www.wowwiki.com/Template:costitem
21:22.12Sky2042No.
21:22.34pcj_2maybe?
21:22.35Sky2042Have a look at {{item/dev}}. It's {{item}} without the transclusion. We can do the same thing with {{cost}}, excepting getting the cost of the item.
21:22.36DottedSky2042 meant: www.wowwiki.com/Template:item/dev, www.wowwiki.com/Template:item, www.wowwiki.com/Template:cost
21:23.12Sky2042I threw item/dev together last night just to show what we can do with it.
21:23.37pcj_2That's not what cost is used for now, though...
21:23.41Sky2042I know.
21:24.22pcj_2K
21:25.02Sky2042So perhaps make {{money}} a more general template for use on the wiki as what {{cost}} is used for now, and then make cost call tooltip using smw
21:25.03DottedSky2042 meant: www.wowwiki.com/Template:money, www.wowwiki.com/Template:cost
21:25.28pcj_2hmm
21:25.32Sky2042Because there will be things which won't be hooked to an item's cost.
21:25.42pcj_2That's my point
21:25.51Sky2042Or the amount a quest will give you.
21:29.05Sky2042Point is, the name "cost" for the template should have more meaning than how we use it today.
21:29.32Sky2042Which will make maintenance of pages easier, consequently.
21:32.05Sky2042What we might want to do with cost item is also hook that into tooltip, where tooltip will take the type of item in text (|costitem=CoH,|costitemnumber=12), which we can grab with costitem and convert using a switch or even javascript into an image.
21:32.28Sky2042or make "CoH" a type of unit.
21:32.58g0urralike coh=12 ?
21:33.35Sky2042no, because that gets big.
21:34.58Sky2042Something like |costitem=12 CoH, make a [[Property:Item cost]], and define CoH to be a type of unit.
21:34.59DottedSky2042 meant: www.wowwiki.com/Property:Item_cost
21:50.59kd3hm. |sell= may have to be a breaking change. forbid {{cost}}, use {{sell}} as an alias for {{costcopper}} and then use {{coppercost}} to display it in the tooltip
21:50.59Dottedkd3 meant: www.wowwiki.com/Template:cost, www.wowwiki.com/Template:sell, www.wowwiki.com/Template:costcopper, www.wowwiki.com/Template:coppercost
21:54.26kd3unless there's a way to extract parameters from an internal template that I'm overlooking
21:54.48Sky2042There isn't one like {{tooltip|sell={{cost}}}}
21:54.49DottedSky2042 meant: www.wowwiki.com/Template:tooltip|sell={{cost
21:57.47kd3we could do that with the mode thing, but I'm just trying to get the initial declaration (on [[Test]]) working. ideally, nothing would change and we could use {{cost}} and {{T2}}/{{coppercost}} could extract the cost params, but I'm not sure that's doable
21:57.48Dottedkd3 meant: www.wowwiki.com/Test, www.wowwiki.com/Template:cost, www.wowwiki.com/Template:T2, www.wowwiki.com/Template:coppercost
21:58.02Sky2042"mode" thing?
21:58.10kd3{{tooltip|mode=arg|arg=sell}}
21:58.11Dottedkd3 meant: www.wowwiki.com/Template:tooltip|mode=arg|arg=sell
21:58.33kd3works for any argument
21:58.34Sky2042We don't need to do it that way anymore.
21:58.37kd3ya
21:58.57kd3pcj; ideas?
21:59.09Sky2042In fact, we shouldn't do it that way
21:59.13Sky2042Rarara
22:00.57Sky2042I'm mostly in favor of double conversion.
22:01.08Sky2042use costcopper
22:01.11Zealis it possible for a template to generate {{#set}} or w/e?
22:01.21Sky2042Zeal: What do you mean?
22:01.26Zealcos that would be the obviously solution
22:01.45kd3look at {{T2}}? it's full of {{#set:s}}
22:01.45Dottedkd3 meant: www.wowwiki.com/Template:T2
22:05.30Sky2042Can we have images in a property of type text?
22:05.47Sky2042An interim solution.
22:06.18kd3I don't think so. I'm glad I got away with property:Icon, to be quite honest
22:06.22Sky2042or in a string.
22:06.34Sky2042let me go test that
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22:09.05Zealprobably help if i knew the SMW syntax, lol.
22:09.10Sky2042Yeah, no files in smw. D:
22:09.30kd3semantic-mediawiki.org
22:09.42Sky2042Zeal: The basics are pretty simple.
22:09.48kd3the doc's a little terse, but it's enough to get moving, especially since you have a solid grasp on template syntax
22:12.15pcj_2What is the question
22:13.21kd3need to store the sell price in copper, but we hand the template another template. can we pull the params out of {{cost}} to move them elsewhere?
22:13.22Dottedkd3 meant: www.wowwiki.com/Template:cost
22:14.05kd3I've settled on the interim solution of using {{sell}} (an alias of {{costcopper}}) to save the value as a number, then passing that to coppercost to display in the tooltip
22:14.06Dottedkd3 meant: www.wowwiki.com/Template:sell, www.wowwiki.com/Template:costcopper
22:14.20pcj_2Variables extension?
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22:15.13kd3ponders
22:15.33pcj_2Alternately if its semantic data use an inline query
22:15.53kd3that comes later. I'm just trying to get the initial declaration (on [[Test]]) working
22:15.54Dottedkd3 meant: www.wowwiki.com/Test
22:16.10pcj_2Wait is this in one template call?
22:16.25kd3look at T2's sell price line
22:18.17pcj_2Would probably have to subst
22:18.30pcj_2Hmm
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22:22.37pcj_2Well if you eliminate the template in the parameter you can save the semantic data as type = record and parse the data for display by using #explode
22:23.07pcj_2E.g., sell=1;20;97
22:24.12Zealhttp://semanticweb.org/wiki/Template:Ask hurt my brain...
22:26.53pcj_2Cool
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22:34.04pcj_2Hi crucially
22:34.09cruciallyhi
22:34.32pcj_2Sup
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22:41.39Zealerm, so yeah. can't you extract properties from internal templates, if you simply embed #show inside #set so that it's reset by each stage of the template embedding? :S
22:42.01Zealor am i missing something? an example that isn't as complex as tooltip would be handy.
22:42.12kd3too much work. I think I'll just force using {{sell}} on the sell line
22:42.12Dottedkd3 meant: www.wowwiki.com/Template:sell
22:44.11Zeali'm still a tad confused how you set has type on a specific property
22:44.34kd3go to some random property, say "Required holiday". [[Property:Required holiday]]
22:44.35Dottedkd3 meant: www.wowwiki.com/Property:Required_holiday
22:44.41kd3edit that page, [[has type::<whatever>]]
22:44.42Dottedkd3 meant: www.wowwiki.com/has_type::<whatever>
22:44.46Zealwhen the example is just completely  independent and doesn't show how it applies it to the property you want.
22:44.50Zealokay
22:44.52Zealthat makes sense
22:44.53pcj_2no dotted
22:45.13Zealdidn't explain it goes in the page for the property.
22:45.17kd3ya
22:45.34pcj_2kd3 did you see what I wrote earlier
22:45.39kd3a more explicit example would be on... [[property::item type]] where I've limited the allowable fields
22:45.40Dottedkd3 meant: www.wowwiki.com/property::item_type
22:46.10kd3pcj; yah. but how much more work is that server-side? what I've got now is just two template calls
22:47.03Zealstill not sure what it is you're trying to achieve that isn't easily possible. surely any internal helper template doesn't contain any properties that aren't defined by the template being used on the page. :S
22:47.13pcj_2Pretty sure it would be less work
22:47.42kd3zeal; what I was originally trying to do was overload |sell= so that we could use the {{cost|}} lines already there for most pages and yank the parameters out of the internal {{cost}} call
22:47.43Dottedkd3 meant: www.wowwiki.com/Template:cost|, www.wowwiki.com/Template:cost
22:47.52pcj_2Less crazy templates more parser functions ftw
22:48.45Zealsorry for being dumb, but i'm struggling to understand what you said, lol.
22:48.58kd3it's a few too many layers of indirection, no worries
22:49.19pcj_2I don't know if you will be able to do anything semantic with data in templates inside parameters
22:49.32pcj_2Without substing
22:51.07kd3ultimate goal is ease of use. a s/|sell={{cost|/sell={{sell|/g and then updating the documentation to say "use {{sell}}, not {{cost}} on the sell line" shouldn't be too bad
22:51.08Dottedkd3 meant: www.wowwiki.com/Template:cost|/sell={{sell|/g_and_then_updating_the_documentation_to_say_"use_{{sell, www.wowwiki.com/Template:cost
22:52.07kd3right now, the way I've got T2 is that we pass |sell={{sell|1|2|3}}
22:52.07Dottedkd3 meant: www.wowwiki.com/Template:sell|1|2|3
22:52.30kd3that puts 10203 in the "sell value" property for that page.
22:52.51kd3T2 then hands 10203 to coppercost to display it as 1g2s3c
22:54.08kd3zeal; I lose you there?
22:54.15kd3tries to figure out how to explain it another way
22:56.11pcj_2I still think that using another template to do it is silly
22:56.24Zealbeen a while seeing the s/
22:56.29Zealso you almost did, lol
22:56.37pcj_2If we're going to change functionality lets simplify it
22:57.56Zealsounds a bit convoluted to me.
22:59.45Zealseems like a time when you'd want to use #set and display of the properties manaully, so handing it off to {{cost}} and simply setting it to 10203 seperately seems easier.
22:59.46DottedZeal meant: www.wowwiki.com/Template:cost
23:00.20pcj_2Let sell take {{cost}} or plain data; don't replace {{cost}} with another template
23:00.20Dottedpcj_2 meant: www.wowwiki.com/Template:cost
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23:05.30Zealin trying to think of how you would solve the problem i actually thought you were talking about before, how would you use a property from a template call?
23:05.58kd3use {{#ask?
23:06.14kd3I don't think type:record is in yet
23:06.25kd3checks versions
23:06.33ZealYou can't from what i can tell, due to #show/#ask needing an article name, and template call syntax for parsing argument doesn't work with that.
23:06.35pcj_2Hmm
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23:07.35ZealBut you can easily just call the template, and the template itself set property and return it based on the arg you provide.
23:07.48Zealwhich is similar to how you had to do mode and arg before
23:07.55Zealbut probably half the cost.
23:08.26Zealhang on, ignore me, no need for mode/arg
23:08.38Zealbut rest still stands
23:09.15pcj_2I was already ignoring you
23:09.28kd3[[Cost testing]]
23:09.28Dottedkd3 meant: www.wowwiki.com/Cost_testing
23:10.41kd3zeal; this time you've lost me. could you throw up a quick test case of what you're trying to do?
23:11.08Zealis there a way to make a page display one of it's own properties that is defined earlier in the page? via #show ?
23:11.14Zeali plan to kd3
23:12.36pcj_2Just query itself
23:13.22Zealyeah, just wondering if that's inefficient or causes a recursive error, cos it may not exist until after the query.
23:13.44kd3it doesn't exist until after the page is edited. you'll have to ?action=purge it a time or two to kick in
23:14.13kd3ran in to that way back when after reimplementing itembox/item/ et al on his test wiki
23:14.51kd3http://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Inline_queries
23:15.24Zealyeah, still got that page up. :P
23:15.33Zealwas just checking if there might be a better way
23:16.08Zeala warning icon, fun.
23:17.30pcjhmm
23:17.36pcjthere is always the variables extension we have
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23:28.39Zealwell, accidentily answered another question. you can't redefine properties within the same page.
23:28.59Zealincluding transclusions
23:31.02Zealbeen a while, {{FULLPAGENAME}} and such do refer to the page transcluding the template and not the template itself right?
23:31.48kd3think so?
23:35.49g0urrahuh, a beta mail that wasn't a scam
23:35.50foxlitThe third option is of course "the outermost page"
23:36.40Zealis the facts box supposed to contain all properties or just only those not displayed?
23:36.52pcjjust only?
23:37.02pcjshould be all properties
23:37.12Zealnot what i'm getting. :/
23:37.34kd3it should be all properties. make sure you're doing it in a valid namespace (mainspace)
23:37.36Zealand annoyingly i get the two i wanted displayed to display with #show
23:37.46Zealmy userspace
23:37.56Zeal*i can't get
23:38.16Zeal[[User:Zealvurte/Sandbox/SMW]]
23:38.37Zealoff again, gah.
23:42.47g0urranice.
23:42.59g0urralogging in on my char in orgrimmar
23:43.16g0urraapparently I'm falling through the world and shutdown is in 8 minutes
23:43.16Zealso what part of SMW is not supported in the namespace? clearly some of it is there. would seem #show doesn't work in userspace.
23:43.25Zeallol
23:43.34g0urradamn beta
23:43.48kd3by default, most of it is mainspace only
23:44.07kd3make a sandbox in mainspace, we're going to be ignoring [[WW:PA]] for a while if it's smw-related
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23:48.29Zealokay, so http://www.wowwiki.com/Zeal-SMW
23:48.47g0urramoves it
23:48.51Zealit would seem you can't redisplay properties in the page...
23:49.38Zealmoves g0urra off the world
23:49.48g0urrao no u didnt
23:50.58g0urraaw man.. new beta build
23:51.05g0urranow I might have to play wotlk :(
23:51.12Zealif there's no possible way to do that, then mode/arg would still need to be used for such behavior, which is quite disapointing.
23:51.20Zealoh, ty for telling me. :P
23:51.30Zealthough iwanted to sleep, not datamine...
23:52.10Zealno new build showing in launcher. :S
23:52.46g0urraI guess you're US then
23:52.52Zealnope
23:53.00Zealbut i do have both eu and us clients of the beta
23:53.08g0urrameh well someone in-game said there was a new build coming up
23:53.24Zealoh, coming
23:53.38pcjif someone in-game said you were going to jump off a bridge wouldyou
23:53.58g0urraif someone in-game said your mom would you
23:54.05Zealnope, but i would check to see how nice the bridge is and fhow far the drop is. :P
23:54.17g0urrabut it's ok, I have levitate
23:54.20g0urraand slow fall
23:54.20Zeallol
23:54.49Zeali wish disengage worked without a hostile target. :(
23:54.58Zealwould jump off more things
23:58.23g0urrakd3
23:58.26g0urrapoaks
23:58.49Sky2042asks g0urra why he's poking kd3.
23:59.06g0urraI want to know what program he uses to extract mpq files
23:59.14g0urraI just get errors with MpqViewer

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