| 00:00.13 | pcj | i poked kirkburn if he heard anything |
| 00:01.18 | g0urra | your tonight is my..night |
| 00:08.45 | pcj | kirkburn says "The quick answer is yes, but not sure how many public/private keys we might get yet." |
| 00:19.14 | Amarande | it's going beta already? |
| 00:19.19 | Amarande | hmm |
| 00:19.23 | kd3 | whistles quietly |
| 00:19.25 | Amarande | anyone remember how long it's been in the past between beta and release? |
| 00:20.02 | Amarande | although the day to really avoid playing WoW is going to be the 4.0 patch day, of course |
| 00:20.07 | Amarande | never play on X.0 patch day for several reasons: |
| 00:20.16 | kd3 | s/X.0// |
| 00:20.33 | Amarande | a) it's patch day. everything's all laggy. b) it's patch day. half the time the shitty instance servers break down so you can't do anything big anyway. |
| 00:20.58 | Amarande | c) it's patch day. half of the addons you've come to get used to like they were the way WoW was designed won't work for the next couple of days at least until authors can fix them. |
| 00:21.13 | pcj | you think patch day is laggy try beta |
| 00:21.23 | foxlit | thinks the lady does complain too much. |
| 00:21.24 | Amarande | pcj: I've never been lucky enough to get a beta key heh |
| 00:21.51 | pcj | for wotlk i got press beta and normal beta so that was cool |
| 00:21.51 | Amarande | not to mention beta is probably several months of c) |
| 00:22.36 | Amarande | yeah, I know, addon authors need time to fix things |
| 00:22.49 | Amarande | but ... still, when I'm forced to play wow with mainly the standard interface it makes me want to kick kittens :| |
| 00:22.52 | foxlit | Run fewer addons. |
| 00:22.54 | foxlit | :) |
| 00:23.01 | pcj | run fewer crappy addons* |
| 00:23.02 | foxlit | Or write your own addons. That seems to work <3 |
| 00:23.08 | Amarande | foxlit: speaking of that |
| 00:23.17 | Amarande | are we ever going to see a new edition of the wow programming book? :| |
| 00:23.23 | Amarande | it's getting kind of long in the tooth in the specifics |
| 00:23.30 | kd3 | yeah, probably |
| 00:23.44 | kd3 | you'll want to ask cogwheel & jnwhiteh in #wowuidev for details, though |
| 00:23.47 | kd3 | as they wrote it |
| 00:23.53 | Fisker | kd3 stop stalking women |
| 00:24.06 | pcj | just make your own book from wowwiki pages! *snort* |
| 00:24.13 | Fisker | why so beta hungry btw? |
| 00:24.24 | pcj | http://www.wow.com/2010/04/07/world-of-warcraft-cataclysm-press-beta-invites-going-out/ |
| 00:24.30 | pcj | i just didn't want to get shafted |
| 00:24.32 | kd3 | meh, beta crashiness was fun. alpha server crap was way more fun |
| 00:24.36 | Amarande | as for running fewer addons ... there's really only a few things I tend to *really have to have* in addons to be happy |
| 00:24.39 | Fisker | you'd think that these keys were only for people who did an effort towards their site instead of just having the users do all the work |
| 00:24.41 | Fisker | >:3 |
| 00:24.55 | Amarande | however, these few things usually, for various reasons tend to require me to acquire about ten or fifteen extra addons |
| 00:25.21 | pcj | the best part about the early part of the last beta was missing floors in dalaran |
| 00:25.38 | Amarande | the most glaring being that since I usually have six action bars on screen at once (not counting pet, stance, etc. bars) ... my screen real estate already takes a pretty big hit |
| 00:25.42 | kd3 | oh yah. "ooh, barber shop" --> "splat in crystalsong" |
| 00:25.55 | Amarande | thus, making it impossible to entertain the idea of using a standard blizzard rep or exp bar. |
| 00:26.20 | pcj | oh and the random no-flight zones |
| 00:26.22 | Amarande | therefore, I end up needing Bazooka, and a rep and xp addon to be around and working in order to not need the blizzard ones ... |
| 00:26.24 | Fisker | atleast you could get out of that kd3 |
| 00:26.27 | pcj | like most of howling fjord |
| 00:26.37 | Fisker | reagent shop = splat behind bars in the sewers bank |
| 00:26.46 | Amarande | with Bazooka, since it's at the top of the screen and overwrites the minimap location/title bar in the default |
| 00:26.49 | kd3 | <3 being a mage |
| 00:26.53 | Amarande | then I need another addon, in order to be able to move the minimap |
| 00:26.57 | kd3 | ok... one portal to dalaran from coming up! |
| 00:27.04 | Amarande | and of course QH is an indispensable unless all you do is instances ... |
| 00:27.14 | Amarande | well, or unless you have an eidetic memory |
| 00:27.22 | Amarande | and I can't stand standard blizzard unit frames so I need my xperl |
| 00:27.27 | Fisker | i can only bubble hs :( |
| 00:27.57 | Amarande | other than that, prat, arkinventory, auctioneer, and Aranarth's guild/friends broker addon are pretty much my 'essentials' |
| 00:27.59 | pcj | my hs was always on cooldown |
| 00:28.01 | Fisker | Last beta was funny though kd3 |
| 00:28.05 | Amarande | well that and some sort of widget to provide a "sell greys" button |
| 00:28.08 | Fisker | there was this stupid paladin loladin or something |
| 00:28.11 | Fisker | he was a freaking joke |
| 00:28.16 | Amarande | and atsw, and atlasloot ... |
| 00:28.21 | Amarande | ok, I tend to feel the need for quite a number of addons. |
| 00:28.27 | Fisker | i wonder if i knew him or something |
| 00:28.27 | Fisker | i sure hope not |
| 00:28.31 | Amarande | and when they don't work, I tend to be extremely unhappy. |
| 00:28.33 | Fisker | >:3 |
| 00:28.58 | kd3 | ama; then you really wouldn't like F&F alphas |
| 00:29.06 | kd3 | they took away our ability to run mods |
| 00:29.17 | Fisker | good thing they're gone then ;3 |
| 00:29.28 | kd3 | which is where [[User:Kaydeethree/Macros]] came from |
| 00:29.47 | Amarande | let's see, what do I have installed right now |
| 00:30.29 | foxlit | "Amarande: are we ever going to see a new edition of the wow programming book? :|" << there is one out. |
| 00:30.48 | foxlit | They're on second edition of the new book now, iirc. |
| 00:30.54 | Fisker | that's like a few weeks/months old |
| 00:31.05 | Amarande | arl, atsw, arkinventory, atlasloot, auctioneer, bartender4, bazooka, molinari, omen, prat, quartz, QH, SCT, sell grey, sexymap, statblock_coords, tiptac, xperl, and a couple other addons (mainly Ara's guild/friends, rep, and xp addons, which aren't available through Curse Client) |
| 00:31.17 | foxlit | Which is recent enough in API terms. |
| 00:32.26 | Amarande | I could live without ARL, Molinari, or SCT. If Auctioneer stopped working I'd probably stop selling stuff on the AH till it was fixed. If Atlasloot stopped working, I'd grit my teeth and alt-tab a lot. Without any of the other ones I'd find things a lot less fun. |
| 00:33.00 | Fisker | which isn't recent enough in API terms as far as auctioneer is concerned, BOOM |
| 00:33.29 | Amarande | yeah, every patch seems to include "& break random things in the addon API, because we're sadists or something" as an unwritten addendum |
| 00:33.41 | Amarande | I think the most egregious example of that was 2.4.1 or 2.4.2 |
| 00:33.59 | Amarande | "let's release this super minor patch that *happens to break half the major active addons out there*" |
| 00:34.19 | foxlit | Fisker: meh, auctioneer noticed something? |
| 00:34.33 | Amarande | which probably pissed people off more than normal because, well, you expect things to break on X.0.0 or even X.Y.0, but you usually don't expect things to break on a third-tier version change :S |
| 00:34.40 | foxlit | I thought auction api changes were non-breaking additions. |
| 00:34.53 | Amarande | I think *something's* changed with the AH though |
| 00:35.05 | Amarande | Auctioneer told me I was putting auctions up for 48 hours last night when I was putting stuff up |
| 00:35.06 | foxlit | Amarande: the unit frame mod I wrote for during the run-up to BC still works. |
| 00:35.14 | Amarande | then this afternoon they're already merely "long", meaning 2-12 hours |
| 00:35.25 | Amarande | which means apparently they were only put up for 24, despite my UI claiming 48 :| |
| 00:35.39 | Amarande | did they change it back to 2/12/24 instead of 12/24/48 like it had been for a while? |
| 00:35.55 | Fisker | because of the new AH interface |
| 00:35.55 | Fisker | nope |
| 00:35.55 | Fisker | After the changes all auctions were posted with the default AH time |
| 00:35.55 | Fisker | 24 hours |
| 00:35.55 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 00:35.56 | Fisker | no |
| 00:36.14 | Amarande | oh, they took away the option to set auction length at all? |
| 00:36.21 | Fisker | I wouldn't know, but i'd figure that the function changed, and because of the incorrect parameters it probably just assumed default values |
| 00:36.26 | Fisker | nope :P |
| 00:36.31 | Fisker | Still 12/24/48 |
| 00:36.36 | Fisker | But the default is 24 |
| 00:36.42 | Amarande | I wonder if I was charged the 48 hour price when I got those 24's :| |
| 00:36.55 | Fisker | As far as i heard they already fixed it in the newer version |
| 00:37.00 | foxlit | That's one thing that couldn't have happened. |
| 00:37.19 | Fisker | what is? |
| 00:43.35 | pcj | wow that was a very interesting e-mail from kirkburn |
| 00:43.43 | pcj | expect an update from him in the forums tomorrow |
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| 00:53.22 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: what broke in 2.4.1 and 2.4.2? |
| 00:54.04 | Arrowmaster | i dont recall any major changes then |
| 00:54.15 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: one of them broke practically everything that used the combat log |
| 00:54.27 | Arrowmaster | that was 2.4.0 |
| 00:54.37 | Arrowmaster | because the entire combat log system changed |
| 00:56.38 | kd3 | ^ |
| 00:57.34 | Arrowmaster | and everybody knew it was happening long in advance and the PTR was up for a very long time because it was a major content patch with a new raid dungeon |
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| 12:30.05 | g0urra | morning pcj |
| 12:30.12 | pcj | oy |
| 12:30.34 | g0urra | any news about beta |
| 12:30.58 | pcj | kirkburn will post in the forums today about it |
| 12:31.26 | Alram | so |
| 12:31.33 | Alram | wowwiki going "NO U CANT POAST DIS" this year? |
| 12:31.41 | Alram | for beta |
| 12:31.43 | pcj | not really |
| 12:31.47 | pcj | the keys are not under NDA |
| 12:31.54 | Alram | nah |
| 12:31.54 | pcj | alpha probably started earlier this week |
| 12:31.57 | Alram | the content |
| 12:32.26 | Alram | its friday |
| 12:32.31 | Alram | almost. |
| 12:32.40 | Alram | if alpha hasnt started yet it will friday |
| 12:43.45 | Fisker | no external alpha for cataclysm |
| 12:44.11 | pcj | /pat Fisker |
| 12:46.09 | Alram | Fisker, we've been through this before |
| 12:46.11 | Alram | liar. |
| 12:46.43 | pcj | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UciKe5EbjqQ |
| 12:48.23 | Fisker | no external alpha Alram |
| 12:48.25 | Fisker | you know it |
| 12:48.39 | Alram | but but |
| 12:48.40 | Alram | :( |
| 12:51.09 | Fisker | that's pretty fucking hilarious pcj |
| 12:54.57 | g0urra | "that's what she saaaid!" "what?" "nothin!" |
| 12:59.12 | g0urra | I didn't know you had such a voice pcj |
| 13:02.55 | Fisker | hey g0urra |
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| 23:46.45 | pcj | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Template:Cataclysm/Image&diff=next&oldid=2231690 |
| 23:46.47 | pcj | nice work kd3 |
| 23:47.11 | pcj | it'll only work if someone subst's the template btw |
| 23:47.46 | kd3 | which is why I reverted |
| 23:48.26 | kd3 | though that may be how it'll have to work if I want to do it like that |
| 23:50.07 | pcj | use {{REVISIONTIMESTAMP}} |
| 23:50.18 | pcj | kd3 ^ |
| 23:50.37 | kd3 | genius. figured there was a magic word like that |
| 23:56.19 | pcj | hmm |
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