| 00:02.06 | kd3 | huh. we're about to hit the 2-million edit mark |
| 00:04.29 | pcj | omg ptr new build incoming |
| 00:04.29 | pcj | only 2 million edits? |
| 00:04.29 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Statistics |
| 00:04.52 | pcj | ah, it only includes the edits made since the wiki was set up |
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| 00:12.21 | Kirkburn | So many theoretical edits missed |
| 00:19.26 | Kirkburn | And there it goes. |
| 00:19.31 | pcj | Does it? |
| 00:19.34 | Kirkburn | 2,000,002 and counting |
| 00:19.50 | pcj | where's the confetti? |
| 00:20.40 | Kirkburn | It's also theoretical |
| 00:20.52 | pcj | figures |
| 00:20.58 | pcj | takes a slice of theoretical cake |
| 00:20.59 | Kirkburn | We actually went past 2000000 edit ids several hours ago |
| 00:21.23 | Kirkburn | This was the 2,000,000 edit id: http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=User%3AKirkburn&diff=2000000&oldid=2000000 |
| 00:21.33 | Kirkburn | glares at kd3 |
| 00:21.53 | Kirkburn | the edit ids appear to about 1,850 ahead of the special:stats page, no idea why |
| 00:22.05 | pcj | does that include deleted edits? |
| 00:22.23 | Kirkburn | Yeah, it would |
| 00:22.53 | Kirkburn | the ids are unique and permanent for each edit afaik |
| 00:23.05 | pcj | yeah i meant the stats page |
| 00:23.26 | Kirkburn | Oh, I would still imagine so ... only 1,850 deleted edits? way too small |
| 00:23.39 | pcj | hmm |
| 00:24.49 | Kirkburn | better link for our 2 millionth edit id: http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=User%3AGnuX&diff=2000000&oldid=1998170 |
| 00:26.02 | *** topic/#wowwiki by Kirkburn -> Welcome to #wowwiki, please read http://wowwiki.com/WW:IRC | UI&Macros: #wowuidev | #cvn-wikia-wowwiki | BlizzCon report - http://tinyurl.com/ncmdmf | 2 million edits and counting! |
| 00:26.40 | pcj | what would really be nice to see is page hits |
| 00:27.00 | kd3 | how many page hits a day are we at now, anyway? |
| 00:29.41 | pcj | over 9000 |
| 00:32.53 | pcj | slaps Kirkburn |
| 00:34.23 | pcj | alexa gives page hits as percentage of global traffic :S |
| 00:34.26 | pcj | http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/wowwiki.com |
| 00:34.31 | pcj | I JUST WANT THE ACTUAL HITS |
| 00:34.34 | pcj | GAWD |
| 00:34.36 | Kirkburn | okay, okay |
| 00:34.55 | pcj | Average Load Time for Wowwiki.com |
| 00:34.55 | pcj | Slow (4.781 Seconds), 80% of sites are faster. |
| 00:34.59 | pcj | strewth |
| 00:35.22 | Kirkburn | Well, yeah, but remember that wikis are not exactly easy to make fast |
| 00:35.33 | Kirkburn | I believe it's a couple of million visits per day, around 3 million |
| 00:35.36 | kd3 | I blame the ad servers |
| 00:35.56 | pcj | Average Load Time for Wikipedia.org |
| 00:35.56 | pcj | Average (2.079 Seconds), 57% of sites are slower. |
| 00:36.41 | Kirkburn | That too - we really wish external ad sites would always respond fast, and are trying improve it. Importantly, we try and ensure they don't block content loading. |
| 00:37.20 | Kirkburn | Wikipedia, while a larger site, I believe would have a far simpler set up. |
| 00:37.26 | pcj | i'm sure |
| 00:37.35 | pcj | that monaco skin will definitely slow you down |
| 00:38.02 | Kirkburn | And on that note, anyone checked out Wikipedia's new skin? |
| 00:38.05 | pcj | "oh hey, gratuitous javascript menus" |
| 00:38.08 | pcj | yeah i have |
| 00:38.13 | charitwo | hey pcj |
| 00:38.19 | pcj | I like it better than monaco |
| 00:38.23 | kd3 | ^ |
| 00:38.25 | kd3 | ^^^^^^ |
| 00:39.18 | Kirkburn | I'd be interested to hear what parts especially - I'd glad they're making the skin much less "boxy" |
| 00:39.49 | pcj | well i think it incorporates the best parts of monaco without most of the bloat |
| 00:40.22 | pcj | i'm glad they kept the left side navigation essentially the same |
| 00:40.30 | pcj | and i actually like the location of the search bar better |
| 00:42.05 | Kirkburn | (I actually use a Stylish skin to totally alter the look of Wikipedia anyway, since I don't edit it) |
| 00:42.20 | Kirkburn | Aye, it's interesting, and fits pretty well |
| 00:43.05 | Kirkburn | I'm a bit of a fan of putting the advanced page functions under that dropdown menu too, though that really only affects admins most |
| 00:43.15 | pcj | Do we have anything like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Books |
| 00:43.16 | pcj | I just noticed it |
| 00:43.41 | pcj | You could make a nice strategy guide from WoWWiki pages |
| 00:44.00 | Kirkburn | Interesting that you mention it... :) |
| 00:44.16 | Kirkburn | Yes, it's something we're looking into |
| 00:44.20 | pcj | yes, very interesting...*beardstroke* |
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| 00:46.30 | Kirkburn_ | D/C'd again (straight after pcj's *beardstroke*) |
| 00:46.41 | Kirkburn_ | Dunno if this went thru: There is one aspect of Wikipedia's new skin mockup that leaves me continuously baffled: it shows the transcluded pages list from the edit page, as a dropdown list. |
| 00:46.50 | pcj | weird |
| 00:46.52 | Kirkburn_ | It's not on the live skin, fortunately |
| 00:47.22 | Kirkburn_ | But I keep thinking, they do surely know what a dropdown list is for? |
| 00:47.40 | pcj | They probably wanted to shorten long lists of templates there |
| 00:48.21 | Kirkburn_ | Understandable wish for certain pages - but I hope it's just a click-to-expand solution |
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| 00:52.10 | Kirkburn__ | Before I start cursing and blinding, I'm gonna go offline for now. Probably back later :) |
| 00:52.23 | Kirkburn__ | Have a good evening, all |
| 00:52.32 | Sandwichman2448 | waves. |
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| 02:08.47 | jimbom | q: where can i (a horde troll hunter) go to get enchanting training? |
| 02:12.50 | jimbom | nm foiund it in the drag |
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| 05:53.15 | tteen | i need to talk about wow |
| 05:53.17 | tteen | now |
| 06:04.52 | jimbom | go ahead |
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| 06:12.51 | jimbom | hmmmm, must not've had much to say |
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| 08:35.25 | Dyxxtra | Chaps, chapettes o> Hey a quick question, anyone here run WoW on the new Mac Minis? I'm basically curious as to its performance on high settings. Googled up a few comments, but I'm just hunting a few more. |
| 08:39.34 | Dyxxtra | Thing is, I need a better comp to run WoW, I'm currently running it on AMD AV64 3000+ 1.5GB RAM, nvidia 7800 GS with 256MB (I think). I run it at 1920x1200 24-bit, most effects cranked up, env detail only at 50% or so, and view distance down a notch. No shadows, no projected textures. It's alright mostly, but fps varies a heck of a lot depending on where I'm at. (Not surprising) |
| 08:42.56 | Dyxxtra | Thinking about the Mac Mini because I only use my old pc for WoW, nothing else, and I wouldn't really like to buy a new pc just for WoW. I have a MBP, but that's for work etc, I don't play with that. It runs WoW pretty well though, even with projected textures, shadows |
| 08:46.24 | Dyxxtra | I realise I could turn down the details, resolution, but the idea is to enjoy the eye candy, and get a beast that can handle it 8) |
| 08:47.41 | LucidFox | "Chapettes"? |
| 08:47.54 | g0urra | female chap, I guess |
| 08:48.05 | LucidFox | I think it would have been better not to mention that word at all, actually. |
| 08:51.35 | Fisker | you mad g0urra |
| 08:51.55 | g0urra | why so paradise hotel dk Fisker |
| 08:52.03 | Fisker | no |
| 08:52.06 | Fisker | why so fail g0urra ? |
| 08:52.46 | g0urra | Fisker http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoriOoSjcxM |
| 08:52.50 | g0urra | which guy is your bf |
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| 08:53.09 | LucidFox | Fisker is female? |
| 08:53.14 | Fisker | you are g0urra |
| 08:53.16 | Fisker | no |
| 08:53.22 | Fisker | also g0urra |
| 08:53.23 | g0urra | Fisker is a female |
| 08:53.24 | g0urra | inside |
| 08:53.30 | Fisker | why so ban people for legitimately buying a game? |
| 08:53.32 | LucidFox | Inside? |
| 08:53.39 | LucidFox | 's eyes perk. |
| 08:54.09 | g0urra | why so ban people for playing a game a month before its release? |
| 08:54.09 | LucidFox | I imagine if it was true, they wouldn't say "no". |
| 08:54.23 | Fisker | exactly g0urra |
| 08:56.27 | g0urra | I was being ironic |
| 08:56.28 | g0urra | moron |
| 08:57.18 | Fisker | no you weren't |
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| 09:03.24 | LucidFox | What nice and polite conversations you have here. |
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| 09:08.09 | Dyxxtra | LucidFox: I think it would have been better not to mention that word at all, actually. |
| 09:08.15 | Dyxxtra | hehe |
| 09:08.31 | LucidFox | It would be like calling a woman "humanette" |
| 09:08.51 | Dyxxtra | Now there's a thought |
| 09:10.18 | Dyxxtra | But yeah, I guess I have to keep on digging on that Mac Mini thing. It's not really meant for gaming, even though it can perform reasonably well, depending on the game ofc. |
| 09:10.37 | LucidFox | Dyxxtra> My point is that it's sexist :) |
| 09:11.45 | Dyxxtra | Really? First time I've heard anyone think that - not that I'm invalidating what you're saying. I think it's just said in jest |
| 09:12.08 | Dyxxtra | It's just goofing about, nothing more. |
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| 09:32.38 | Dyxxtra | Well, must be off. Toodles |
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| 11:06.22 | LucidFox | lol |
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| 18:42.43 | Kirkburn | Good morning world |
| 18:43.26 | Marla|OFF | Good evening from Netherlands :v |
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| 18:56.57 | Ose | two milliont edits today? |
| 18:57.03 | Ose | uhm |
| 18:57.10 | Ose | ding? |
| 19:01.38 | Ose | Kirkburn: i'm seeing a 1px gap between the active main page tab and the content box on http://www.wowwiki.com/Portal:Community |
| 19:01.43 | Ose | fix dat css |
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| 19:36.31 | Fisker | slaps Ose around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:36.33 | Fisker | slaps Kirkburn around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:47.54 | Kirkburn | Ose, what browser? |
| 19:52.18 | Ose | FF3.5.2 |
| 19:53.48 | Fisker | It's amazing how many people use Final Fantasy as a browser |
| 19:54.39 | Ose | indeed |
| 19:56.40 | Kirkburn | Strange that you see a gap |
| 19:57.04 | Ose | i've seen it elsewhere too |
| 19:57.36 | Kirkburn | Got any special settings, like different default font? |
| 19:57.51 | Ose | a top:-1px on the active tab class won't do any harm, it fixed it for me on my test wiki |
| 19:57.58 | Ose | not that I know |
| 20:02.10 | Kirkburn | Unfortunately I can't reproduce |
| 20:02.17 | Kirkburn | Zoomed? Special characters? |
| 20:02.31 | Kirkburn | (on either Fx3.5 or IE8) |
| 20:02.58 | Kirkburn | Screenshot may help, but I've had to work against that issue before, and believe(d) I got it working |
| 20:04.46 | Ose | no need for a screenshot |
| 20:05.12 | Ose | "1px gap" is an exact description |
| 20:05.54 | Ose | oh, this is weird |
| 20:06.05 | Ose | on my preferred font size, it occurs |
| 20:06.15 | Ose | -1 size, it doesn't |
| 20:06.26 | Ose | - another size, its there again |
| 20:06.54 | Ose | and so on |
| 20:09.39 | Kirkburn | yeah, doesn't entirely surprise me |
| 20:10.11 | Kirkburn | Shall have to look into whether there's a better way to define the tabs at some point |
| 20:10.24 | Kirkburn | I believe I had to make some concessions to ensure IE didn't break |
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| 20:42.52 | Ose | stupid guild leader making me come to naxx :( |
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| 21:56.33 | Ose | yay Bibi! |
| 21:56.44 | Ose | you found a pandaren model |
| 21:58.29 | jimbom | question: I see 'arcane damage' and 'nature damage.' what's the difference? |
| 21:59.37 | Ose | resistances? |
| 22:00.00 | Ose | for example gnomes have higher resistance to arcane damage iirc |
| 22:00.17 | Marla|Laptop | well |
| 22:00.20 | Marla|Laptop | thorns do nature damage |
| 22:00.28 | Marla|Laptop | arcane spells do arcane damage |
| 22:00.29 | Marla|Laptop | i think |
| 22:00.36 | Ose | well duh |
| 22:00.55 | Ose | some druid spells (moonfire at least) does arcane |
| 22:06.53 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Magic_schools_%28WoW%29 |
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| 22:15.53 | Ose | I wonder if hunter "spells" will still do arcane damage in cataclysm |
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| 22:16.56 | Ose | o hai SWM |
| 22:18.07 | Sandwichman2448 | Scrolls of Lore called out my lore reconciliation on Icecrown Citadel. I'm a real admin now! |
| 22:18.16 | kd3 | lol |
| 22:18.17 | kd3 | grats |
| 22:18.19 | Sandwichman2448 | Hi Ose |
| 22:18.37 | Ose | wut? |
| 22:18.43 | Ose | Sandwichman2448: leeenk |
| 22:18.50 | Sandwichman2448 | K |
| 22:19.16 | Sandwichman2448 | http://www.scrollsoflore.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5001&page=3 |
| 22:20.18 | Sandwichman2448 | #58 |
| 22:23.15 | Sandwichman2448 | That post was linked from the Elemental Plane talk page. I do not own Shadows & Light, so I would not know if they wre correct. |
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| 22:29.03 | Ose | why does wowwiki score so ridiculously low on a google search for "warcraft"? |
| 22:29.37 | Ose | page 6 |
| 22:30.36 | Sandwichman2448 | :( |
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| 22:31.14 | Ose | and why does scrollsoflore write it as "WarCraft"? |
| 22:31.30 | Ose | blizz has moved away from the uppercase C usage |
| 22:31.32 | Sandwichman2448 | Warcraft logo and Warcraft one. |
| 22:31.39 | Ose | ohais Kirkburn |
| 22:33.38 | Kirkburn | Attachment to the old games? |
| 22:33.55 | Kirkburn | Not sure why Warlock does it either |
| 22:39.37 | Sandwichman2448 | Now that I think about, I could word the note better. Less fact, more educated guess. |
| 22:42.13 | Ose | can I get some opinions on how http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Ose/dev looks on your monitors? |
| 22:43.03 | Ose | specifically the last (80-85) zones on the bottom |
| 22:43.09 | foxlit | MY EYES THEY BURN. |
| 22:43.24 | kd3 | too bright |
| 22:43.34 | foxlit | Ose: general layout: no. |
| 22:43.48 | Ose | not my colors |
| 22:43.58 | foxlit | Currently, it isn't so much my monitor that's limiting your available horizontal space as it is my preference for window sizes. |
| 22:44.13 | foxlit | You probably have around 800 content pixels to play with in width. |
| 22:44.22 | Ose | yeah, that's the problem? |
| 22:44.24 | kd3 | ^. don't make it scale to 100% width |
| 22:44.26 | Ose | -? |
| 22:44.37 | foxlit | It looks like: |
| 22:44.38 | foxlit | 84 |
| 22:44.39 | foxlit | - |
| 22:44.40 | foxlit | 85 |
| 22:44.56 | foxlit | I'd suggest you just de-indent at 60, 70, 80. |
| 22:44.58 | Ose | well, the old version on [[Zones by level]] exceeds the page width instead |
| 22:44.58 | Dotted | Ose meant: www.wowwiki.com/Zones_by_level |
| 22:45.17 | pcj | you have a tiny screen |
| 22:45.35 | Ose | Kirkburn: what do you say, should we just bring back the old darker colors? |
| 22:45.42 | kd3 | I fear to think what it'd look like on my netbook |
| 22:46.13 | Ose | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Zones_by_level&diff=1995395&oldid=1995000 is to blame for the coloring |
| 22:46.34 | pcj | make it max-width:100% not width:100% |
| 22:46.40 | pcj | then specify the pixel value as well |
| 22:47.19 | Kirkburn | I'm sort of on the fence about the colours: I'd prefer they used Common.css CSS anyway |
| 22:48.04 | Kirkburn | I believe there should be a usable blue and red there ... but not sure what yellows we have defined |
| 22:48.15 | kd3 | darkbg-red, darkbg-blue |
| 22:48.19 | kd3 | what we use for the MP portals |
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| 22:48.24 | kd3 | whatever those classes are |
| 22:48.32 | Kirkburn | Sitenotices too |
| 22:49.05 | Kirkburn | But yellow I bet we don't have ... green, grey for sure though |
| 22:50.09 | Kirkburn | I'm trying the latest version of AWB ... damn, it's fast |
| 22:51.33 | pcj | Yeap |
| 22:52.05 | Ose | hmm, how did I manage to break the template width? |
| 22:52.47 | Fisker | slaps Kirkburn around a bit with a large trout |
| 22:52.50 | pcj | unexpected closing bracket |
| 23:01.59 | Ose | strange |
| 23:02.31 | Ose | for some reason, changing background-color breaks the width expression |
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| 23:18.15 | Kirkburn | Well, WoWWiki on AWB isn't hugely fast, but help.wikia was. May be because wowwiki isn't on 1.15.1 yet |
| 23:18.42 | Kirkburn | I believe that switch is coming Monday |
| 23:19.40 | Ose | so they released the proper new AWB now? |
| 23:19.59 | Ose | I had to use the developement version to get it to work on wikia not so long ago |
| 23:20.39 | Kirkburn | That's not entirely surprising, since it's generally based on Wikipedia |
| 23:20.59 | Kirkburn | I just downloaded the latest 4.9 SVN version for some quick tests |
| 23:21.21 | Kirkburn | I have heard, however, that the devs plan to do more Wikia support |
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| 23:44.16 | Sandwichman2448 | Hm |
| 23:45.27 | Kirkburn | So, er Ose, don't bother trying that new version of AWB, it doesn't work for our custom URL. All my edits just edited Api.php, rather than articles. |
| 23:46.04 | Kirkburn | uberfuzzy tells me it's probably a MW API issue |
| 23:47.36 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Kaydeethree/levels |
| 23:48.13 | Sandwichman2448 | Spammer? --> http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Contributions/Andy2009 |
| 23:55.30 | Kirkburn | This is quite a cool music vid from The Guild: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urNyg1ftMIU |
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| 23:57.44 | Kirkburn | Sandwichman2448, looks like it is ... the blog is all about paid for guides, and is barely concealed advertising |
| 23:58.22 | Kirkburn | kd3, hrm ... those colours really aren't that obvious at that size, are they |
| 23:58.39 | kd3 | no, but that's not really the point |
| 23:58.49 | Kirkburn | True |
| 23:59.00 | Kirkburn | I notice 10-20 seems a lot wider than 1-10, something odd going on there? |
| 23:59.03 | kd3 | it's the same info as what's live [[Zones by level]]/in testing (Ose's sandbox) in about a third of the space |
| 23:59.03 | Dotted | kd3 meant: www.wowwiki.com/Zones_by_level |
| 23:59.18 | kd3 | there's not much in columns 1-10 |
| 23:59.50 | Kirkburn | Well no, but the widths aren't proportional |