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| 01:30.58 | kd3 | mxs, ping. any news on the mac ptr patch yet? |
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| 01:58.37 | mxs | kd3: not yet, no |
| 01:58.51 | mxs | and about ot hit the hay, so next update in 7 hours or so :> |
| 01:58.59 | kd3 | grr... so much crap to put up on the wiki |
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| 02:05.10 | Keolah | The wiki is WRONG! :p |
| 02:06.45 | Keolah | The Argent Tournament champion dailies don't give Argent Crusade rep for Death Knights, they give Ebon Blade rep. :P |
| 02:07.22 | Keolah | (Furthermore, they don't give Silver Covenant rep for Horde either.) |
| 02:07.31 | kd3 | [[WW:SOFIXIT]] |
| 02:07.32 | _Dotted | kd3 meant: www.wowwiki.com/WW:SOFIXIT |
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| 02:18.50 | Keolah | I would, but they give me a headache :P |
| 02:19.16 | Keolah | Since there aren't separate pages for the DK/non-DK versions, nor horde/ally, and it's just kind of a mess... heh. |
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| 02:49.34 | kd3 | so say... +300 SilverCovenant/Warsong Offensive, +300 ArgentCrusade/KoEB |
| 02:49.52 | Aka | should they make it so you can fly mounts in Azeroth not just northrend? |
| 02:50.07 | kd3 | do you want to play the next expansion or fly in azeroth? |
| 02:50.19 | Aka | fly in Azeroth |
| 02:50.28 | kd3 | then post on the suggestions forums |
| 02:50.54 | Aka | then I can finally take off from the dun morogh airport |
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| 03:17.11 | Aka | why didn't the pally cross the rode |
| 03:17.15 | Aka | ? |
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| 03:19.21 | Raxo_ | <Aka> why didn't the pally cross the rode << he bubble hearthed |
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| 03:40.50 | Cooobra | to reduce the amount of talk pages created all over the place when roland either has an opinion or pointless question... maybe we should ask him to make a forum topic just for his questions... >< |
| 03:42.29 | Cooobra | similar to the mentor page, where he creates sections for each question within that one forum topic |
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| 04:00.19 | kd3 | gah! |
| 04:00.26 | kd3 | we're going to need a new tag for {{tooltip}} |
| 04:00.26 | _Dotted | kd3 meant: www.wowwiki.com/Template:tooltip |
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| 04:03.51 | vectoron | Would anyone know of anyone that provides sponsorship for WoW based sites that can handle large loads? |
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| 04:50.02 | kd3 | so... up to 6 unique sets per each class for tier 9 |
| 04:50.05 | kd3 | yay |
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| 04:54.18 | Fisker | what say you kd3 ? |
| 04:54.56 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Forum:Tier_9 |
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| 04:55.55 | Fisker | A forum on a wiki? |
| 04:55.57 | Fisker | Preposterous |
| 04:56.13 | Fisker | meh |
| 04:56.21 | Fisker | it'll just be varying levels of the same stats |
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| 05:04.22 | valexa | hmm , just installed the ptr patch but game version states 0.0.1 and fails to log in saying downloading update and falied to apply !!!??? |
| 05:04.38 | valexa | anyne had this happen tohim ? |
| 05:05.44 | Cooobra | 6... 3 horde, 3 alliance right? |
| 05:07.18 | Cooobra | is Ragestorm rolandius' new mentor? |
| 05:08.16 | Cooobra | he'll need a new one anyway, since fandy is taking a break |
| 05:10.15 | Keolah | Why "mentor" anyway? Shouldn't it be "babysitter"? :P |
| 05:11.07 | Fisker | Why babysitter anyways? |
| 05:11.12 | Fisker | Shouldn't it be warden? |
| 05:11.16 | Cooobra | babysitter title requires that person to be with him at all times |
| 05:11.49 | Cooobra | warden implies he's a vandal |
| 05:12.08 | Keolah | "mentor" implies that he's just new and not a moron. ;p |
| 05:12.35 | Fisker | Cooobra exactly |
| 05:13.00 | Keolah | It also gives the misleading impression that every newbie needs a mentor ;p |
| 05:13.52 | Cooobra | well, he don't spread it around that hes being mentored... hes a rare and special cae |
| 05:14.42 | Keolah | It doesn't have to be. |
| 05:14.43 | Fisker | In the way he's been able to troll you for that long sure |
| 05:14.58 | Keolah | I read it just casually browsing the wiki :P |
| 05:15.10 | Cooobra | I'm personally tired of answering his questions... he tends to flip it on you for the next question |
| 05:16.40 | Cooobra | hes the type of person that would make the devil say... keep your soul the deal is off |
| 05:17.05 | Keolah | lol |
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| 06:13.03 | g0urra | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2009/june/t9_paladin_spell_258.jpg |
| 06:13.11 | g0urra | another line of text to add pcj |
| 06:13.13 | g0urra | "Heroic" |
| 06:13.57 | Fisker | wtf |
| 06:14.25 | Fisker | T8.5 with a new pair of shoulders |
| 06:14.47 | g0urra | slaps Fisker |
| 06:14.49 | g0urra | LOLPLACEHOLDER |
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| 10:46.24 | mxs | Fisker: added enGB, finally |
| 10:47.36 | Fisker | already got it |
| 10:47.40 | Fisker | But they screwed us over |
| 10:47.41 | Fisker | so fuck it |
| 10:47.46 | mxs | hehe |
| 10:48.08 | Fisker | Can't login apparently because my account is US |
| 10:48.14 | Fisker | i.e. my battle.net account |
| 11:01.34 | mxs | can't log in either, even though my account and b.net account are both US :P |
| 11:06.21 | Fisker | you getting login server is busy too? |
| 11:09.59 | mxs | yepp |
| 11:11.06 | Fisker | hate |
| 11:11.06 | Fisker | maybe it's an US battle.net account issue |
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| 12:14.35 | Gunrun | so can I download the ptr now |
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| 12:56.21 | g0urra | pcj how slow is Rolandius? |
| 12:56.29 | pcj | yeah |
| 12:58.57 | g0urra | I didn't say "is Rolandius slow" |
| 12:59.28 | g0urra | http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Rolandius#RE:_Clarify |
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| 13:01.32 | g0urra | maybe you can get some sense into his tiny head |
| 13:01.57 | Fisker | mxs |
| 13:02.00 | Fisker | people are whining over macs |
| 13:03.22 | foxlit | "It says Undead, not undead, " << it just so happens that the word undead is at the start of a sentence. |
| 13:04.13 | g0urra | ok. |
| 13:09.03 | foxlit | I'm not sure where the obsession with Undead came from, anyway |
| 13:09.21 | foxlit | The question was "are all ghosts deceased characters?" |
| 13:09.31 | g0urra | he's still dense in that he don't understand that ghosts are the spirits of dead people who has come back to the world of living |
| 13:09.35 | g0urra | of course they are foxlit |
| 13:09.38 | foxlit | And that can go two ways: "Yes, you must be dead to be a ghost" |
| 13:09.56 | foxlit | Or "No, since you're not dead, buried and forgotten if you're a ghost" |
| 13:10.56 | g0urra | I'm trying to get the former into his head |
| 13:12.07 | foxlit | I'd be inclined to say that the deceased category needs to make up its mind on what it's supposed to contain. |
| 13:12.35 | g0urra | characters who are dead |
| 13:12.36 | pcj | since ghosts are people who must be deceased then they should be in that category |
| 13:13.00 | foxlit | But at the same time, undead should not. |
| 13:13.14 | foxlit | And it's quite conceivable that some undead were also deceased prior to becoming undead. |
| 13:13.20 | pcj | hmm |
| 13:13.27 | g0urra | like who? |
| 13:13.28 | pcj | stupid undead |
| 13:16.43 | foxlit | "like who" is an annoying question. Kel'Thuzad, perhaps. |
| 13:17.12 | foxlit | There're also general references to necromancers raising corpses on the [[Undead]] page. |
| 13:17.13 | _Dotted | foxlit meant: www.wowwiki.com/Undead |
| 13:18.45 | foxlit | Sylvanas is also annoying. |
| 13:18.56 | foxlit | Certainly *has* died, but certainly not *deceased*. |
| 13:18.58 | g0urra | I'm saying that you must be dead to become a ghost, not that if you're dead then you're a ghost. I'd say a ghost is characterized by being transparent, but maybe that's just me... |
| 13:19.18 | g0urra | well her current status is not dead is it |
| 13:19.59 | foxlit | Black War Bear says "dead" :) |
| 13:20.42 | g0urra | rolls his eyes |
| 13:21.01 | g0urra | dead according to lore. |
| 13:21.13 | g0urra | that's what I meant; she's not dead according to lore. |
| 13:21.19 | foxlit | I know what you meant. |
| 13:21.44 | g0urra | then stop being an ass :( |
| 13:22.18 | g0urra | http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Ragestorm#Third_Party |
| 13:22.24 | g0urra | why so Ghosts and Deceased characters |
| 13:22.56 | foxlit | Meh. |
| 13:23.59 | foxlit | It's pretty clear that he has the "gone forever" interpretation, while you suggest the "died" interpretation. I'd say the deceased characters category texts is closer to his version than yours, or it wouldn't need to make an exception for the undead. |
| 13:24.16 | foxlit | At the same time, I also think the description of that category sucks. |
| 13:24.30 | g0urra | [[Jabbering Ghoul]] |
| 13:24.31 | _Dotted | g0urra meant: www.wowwiki.com/Jabbering_Ghoul |
| 13:25.15 | g0urra | undead, but not deceased |
| 13:27.05 | foxlit | What if that was John Felstone, rather than Jabbering Ghoul? |
| 13:27.22 | g0urra | still undead but not deceased |
| 13:27.53 | foxlit | And if he happened to be killed before being resurrected by a passing necromancer? |
| 13:28.11 | foxlit | (merely avoiding the pitfall that is plague mechanics with that question) |
| 13:29.22 | foxlit | i.e. are you basing that on the lack of dying, or on the fact that the most recent incarnation hasn't died? |
| 13:29.45 | g0urra | then yes, he would be deceased, but it is never stated that he was killed before he turned into a ghoul |
| 13:29.52 | g0urra | remember culling of stratholme? |
| 13:31.57 | foxlit | Not in any level of detail, hence the avoidance of what happens to plagued people when asking questions. |
| 13:42.04 | g0urra | well in WoW people turned into zombies after they got the plague |
| 13:42.13 | g0urra | so they turned into undead without dying first |
| 13:43.45 | g0urra | then there's the Val'kyr for example |
| 13:44.21 | Fisker | g0urra |
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| 13:51.16 | pcj | http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/47179/argent-charger/ |
| 13:51.47 | Fisker | g0urra |
| 13:53.01 | g0urra | where's my ravasaur pcj :( |
| 13:54.54 | Fisker | it's here g0urra |
| 13:56.08 | mxs | Fisker: I know they are. But I am about to go out for a bit. If I can't get torrents for hte mac ones after that, I MAY stitch together a few. |
| 13:56.26 | g0urra | http://db.mmo-champion.com/a/3636/ |
| 13:56.27 | g0urra | hmm |
| 13:59.04 | Fisker | hmm what? |
| 13:59.09 | g0urra | hmm |
| 13:59.30 | foxlit | throws a large Fisker at g0urra and heads for the hills. |
| 13:59.40 | g0urra | snipers foxlit |
| 13:59.51 | foxlit | evades |
| 14:00.00 | g0urra | damn evade bug |
| 14:00.45 | pcj | http://db.mmo-champion.com/q/14199/proof-of-demise-the-black-knight/ |
| 14:02.15 | g0urra | awsm, new emblem from the daily dungeon mob quests |
| 14:06.25 | Fisker | old news |
| 14:08.43 | Yewbacca | Does anyone know the difference between this: vs self: in your frame xml files? Haven't coded addons in a year and forgot |
| 14:11.37 | Gnarfoz | just don't use xml files, :P |
| 14:11.52 | foxlit | There generally isn't a difference. |
| 14:11.53 | Gnarfoz | also, I guess "this" is gone anyway now |
| 14:12.05 | foxlit | self: is newer and preferred; this is still around. |
| 14:12.53 | foxlit | Since you're probably writing code for widget script handlers, there's no practical difference, as this and self should always point to the same thing. |
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| 14:13.23 | Yewbacca | Yeah I thought so too, languages generally have EITHER this or self, not both, which caused confusion |
| 14:13.24 | Yewbacca | Thanks :D |
| 14:13.57 | foxlit | Short version: use self; but there's no acute need to find/replace all your uses of "this" just yet. |
| 14:14.22 | Yewbacca | I did the latter ;) |
| 14:36.11 | pcj | http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/47790/kel-thuzads-leggings-of-triumph/tooltip/js |
| 14:46.40 | mxs | bah, I hate spammers. 200k comments in a gallery of mine. |
| 14:46.58 | mxs | on the upside, who knew gallery could support 200k comments ... |
| 14:53.51 | Fisker | butts |
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| 15:30.36 | pcj | is http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/wowwiki/images/6/64/Favicon.ico showing the wrong icon for anyone else |
| 15:33.17 | Yewbacca | I don't like the UIDropDownMenu API :/ How do I loop through all the items of an existing menu, if I know the name of the menu object? |
| 15:33.25 | Yewbacca | I've googled like crazy for 20 minutes |
| 15:35.42 | pcj | ask in #wowuidev |
| 15:36.15 | Yewbacca | Ahhh, didn't know about that channel, thanks |
| 15:39.54 | pcj | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2009/june/pvealliance_1hmace.jpg |
| 15:39.55 | pcj | wtf |
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| 15:53.35 | pcj | crucially http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/wowwiki/images/6/64/Favicon.ico is showing the wrong favicon |
| 15:54.14 | crucially | working on it |
| 15:54.30 | crucially | hmm |
| 15:54.58 | crucially | ok |
| 15:54.59 | crucially | that is another bug |
| 15:56.14 | Fisker | that's no mace pcj |
| 15:56.17 | Fisker | that's a crankshaft |
| 15:56.17 | Fisker | hoho |
| 15:56.19 | crucially | pcj: will figure out a way to fix |
| 15:56.23 | pcj | ok |
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| 17:48.25 | Keolah | Why does my Forsaken DK move faster than my bf's Tauren DK? They're both blood specced with no points in unholy, nor using unholy presence, but my walking movement speed is noticeably faster for some reason... |
| 17:52.39 | pcj | do you have an enchant or something |
| 17:53.47 | pcj | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=47901 |
| 17:54.14 | pcj | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=41339 |
| 17:55.24 | Keolah | Nope, no enchants, no trinkets that might affect it, no gems. |
| 17:55.55 | Keolah | He's only level 68. |
| 17:56.08 | Keolah | Er, 69 now. |
| 17:56.18 | pcj | kinky |
| 17:56.26 | Keolah | Bonfires = good exp ;p |
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| 18:33.21 | pcj | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/13/18031235198-bug-righteous-fury.html |
| 18:33.22 | pcj | :'( |
| 18:35.17 | Keolah | Feh. |
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| 20:12.28 | Aidenn | guys, is there a way to install wotlk on top of burning crusade (from the internet) or do I really have to download it all over again? (says InstallWoW.exe) |
| 20:17.29 | pcj | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/account/electronic-upgrade.html |
| 20:18.13 | Aidenn | www.wow-europe.com/account/electronic-upgrade.html says 404 ;) |
| 20:19.38 | pcj | hah, that sucks |
| 20:19.43 | pcj | EU doesn't appear to have online upgrading |
| 20:19.46 | pcj | http://eu.blizzard.com/store/details.xml?id=221003197 |
| 20:20.03 | pcj | vs |
| 20:20.04 | pcj | http://www.blizzard.com/store/details.xml?id=1100000265 |
| 20:22.12 | Aidenn | Let me explain - I have TBC installed, patched to 3.1.3 and just begun WotLK trial. The client complaints about missing WotLK files, but the installer wants to download everything from the start (says it needs 15GB etc.). Is there a way to get just the WotLK files? ;) |
| 20:23.27 | pcj | well http://media.wow-europe.com/wrath/trial/index_en.html appears to indicate that you can |
| 20:25.08 | pcj | I can't help you with anything behind EU account management since I'm in the US :P |
| 20:25.56 | pcj | http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=67634.msg1067108;topicseen#new wtf |
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| 20:28.19 | Fisker | You can upgrade accounts online |
| 20:28.25 | Fisker | just login to account management |
| 20:29.17 | Aidenn | my account is already upgraded. it's just that my client is tbc 3.1.3 and not wotlk 3.1.3. i just want to upgrade the files, not download everything all over again. ;) |
| 20:31.13 | Aidenn | Make sure you choose the Wrath of the Lich King option before starting the download: |
| 20:31.13 | Aidenn | - If you already have The Burning Crusade installed, the download will be around 1.9Gb. |
| 20:31.27 | Aidenn | that's what blizz support page says |
| 20:31.42 | Aidenn | but InstallWoW.exe still says it needs 15GB (which I don't have atm) |
| 20:31.54 | Aidenn | ah well, might as well ask at the forums then ;) |
| 20:31.56 | Aidenn | thanks anyway |
| 20:33.00 | Fisker | That's how much WoW is |
| 20:33.14 | Fisker | The download itself might only be 1.9GB |
| 20:33.24 | Fisker | but it'll still need 15GB for the installation |
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| 20:34.37 | Gunrun | its 4gig |
| 20:34.38 | Gunrun | I think |
| 20:34.40 | Gunrun | the download |
| 20:34.45 | Gunrun | inc wotlk and bc |
| 20:35.05 | Gunrun | thats compressed, once its uncompressed its about 14GB Aidenn |
| 20:35.51 | Aidenn | yes, that's the full installation. i only want to upgrade, support page says it's possible. i already have tbc installed and fully patched. ;) |
| 20:36.33 | pcj | once you upgrade you will have the full installation |
| 20:36.38 | pcj | which takes up about 15gb |
| 20:38.13 | Aidenn | yes, i know that too. but remember I have 10GB of that full installation already on the disk |
| 20:42.43 | Aidenn | ok, I've made that 15G. let's see what the installer does ;) |
| 20:46.45 | Aidenn | 1,9G. and after everything It'll be ~16,9GB. stupid installer assuming that I don't have WoW at the beginning and not after the true WotLK installer finished downloading (which is only a couple of megs and knows better) |
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| 20:50.38 | Aidenn | and now let's listen to wotlk main theme for 50 minutes straight. ;) |
| 20:56.02 | Keolah | Hell yes! Scorched Stone! |
| 20:56.41 | Aidenn | that's a vanity pet? |
| 21:00.35 | Keolah | Scorchling :) |
| 21:16.42 | _Dotted | ~ugt |
| 21:16.42 | infobot | it has been said that ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 21:20.17 | mxs | I approve of that concept. |
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| 21:31.41 | mxs | bah, still can't log on to the PTR |
| 21:31.49 | mxs | seems Blizzard accounts are second-rate citizens |
| 21:39.55 | Fisker | battle.net accounts! |
| 21:40.06 | Fisker | atleast we got sc2 beta icons on us.battle.net now |
| 21:40.57 | Fisker | can't possibly imagine why they feel the need to add arbitrary icons that only makes the fans waste even more time getting excited |
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| 22:00.39 | kd3|hate`net | meh, I got on just fine |
| 22:01.01 | pcj | mxs are you in the EU |
| 22:06.12 | kd3 | yay, world server crash |
| 22:06.13 | kd3 | <3 |
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| 22:07.56 | mxs | yes, I am |
| 22:09.05 | Raxo__ | kd3, just northrend |
| 22:10.42 | Raxo__ | kalimandor is still up |
| 22:10.43 | Raxo__ | its back up |
| 22:34.24 | Gunrun | why does northrend always fall over |
| 22:34.27 | Gunrun | its just northrend |
| 22:34.36 | Gunrun | never seen anywhere in azeroth fall over |
| 22:38.04 | pcj | how much time do you spend in azeroth |
| 22:38.14 | pcj | also, wintergrasp |
| 22:39.26 | Keolah | It's top-heavy. |
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| 23:00.20 | g0urra | but Spirit Walkers are so major characters pcj_2 |
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| 23:31.27 | Gunrun | Anyone here got a druid? |
| 23:32.00 | g0urra | me |
| 23:34.33 | charitwo | g0urra has it all |
| 23:34.41 | g0urra | indeed |
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