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| 00:34.09 | TwoKnives | hello |
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| 00:35.40 | Graw | Question: I go to the mall, and buy a retail copy of WOTLK. What patch level is it? |
| 00:36.02 | Graw | (Oh, and hello. Nice to meet you!) |
| 00:36.37 | TwoKnives | does it even have a patch? |
| 00:36.55 | TwoKnives | 3.8.0 |
| 00:37.57 | Graw | you mean 3.0.8? |
| 00:38.31 | TwoKnives | yup |
| 00:38.59 | Graw | which would mean i'd just have to get the ulduar patch |
| 00:39.03 | TwoKnives | im dyslexic |
| 01:21.15 | robotusch | Graw, retail is patch 3.0.1 as far as I can remember |
| 01:21.36 | robotusch | But I'm fairly sure there's a full Ulduar patch available |
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| 02:39.38 | Keolah | Why can tailors and blacksmiths make meta-socketable helmets but leatherworkers can't? |
| 02:40.56 | Keolah | Or did I just completely miss something somewhere? |
| 02:43.52 | pcj | hah |
| 02:43.53 | pcj | you didn't miss anything |
| 02:45.01 | pcj | i don't see any epic leatherworking helmets |
| 02:50.34 | Keolah | Was just wondering, seemed a little weird, none in either leather or mail. |
| 02:51.16 | Keolah | Yet my blacksmith can make three different types. |
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| 03:02.59 | pcj | hmm |
| 03:03.01 | pcj | http://s.wowinterface.com/storage/newsimages/securitymanager.jpg |
| 03:03.30 | pcj | couldn't a keylogger module just edit launcher.exe in the wow root directory and you wouldn't be the wiser? |
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| 03:48.33 | nnutter | pcj, doesn't look like you left, so 40 min later...The game's exe could check the hash of launcher.exe or something, but the main thing is that all modules come in as text and aren't allowed to create a malicious file. |
| 03:48.51 | nnutter | Like a module (written of course in Lua) trying to create a .bat file or something |
| 03:48.53 | pcj | hmm ok |
| 03:49.23 | nnutter | anyone that's stupid enough to download an addon and run exe's etc. is a separate issue |
| 03:49.32 | pcj | yeah |
| 03:50.12 | pcj | so in the extraction thing does it check for any executables in the compressed file |
| 03:50.39 | nnutter | nah, but the extractor won't run the exe's |
| 03:50.53 | nnutter | and Blizzard should ensure that the lua code can't execute the exes |
| 03:51.04 | nnutter | and can't move them somewhere an exe would auto-run |
| 03:51.29 | pcj | yep |
| 03:51.29 | pcj | ok |
| 03:51.37 | nnutter | and then hopefully, curse, etc. would revoke that author ;-) |
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| 15:17.03 | straterra | Can I only turn in the silk quest in SW once? |
| 15:18.21 | g0urra | yes |
| 15:18.32 | g0urra | http://wowwikievent.wikia.com/wiki/File:Kill_jaedon-Humor-Lookalikes.jpg why are you so good at photoshop pcj |
| 15:18.50 | straterra | lame...I have tons of silk to get rid of :/ |
| 15:38.46 | sacarasc | Sell it? |
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| 15:45.30 | Ellay | Hello, I'm looking to contact a wowwiki admin |
| 15:45.50 | pcj | talk to g0urra |
| 15:46.02 | g0urra | talk to pcj |
| 15:46.15 | Ellay | ah someone referenced pcj to me earlier :) |
| 15:46.20 | g0urra | I win |
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| 16:11.23 | Tim_ | I'm here |
| 16:11.34 | g0urra | Ellay, you're here too |
| 16:12.07 | Ellay | yep |
| 16:12.35 | g0urra | so, what's the issue here? |
| 16:12.38 | Tim_ | Okay here is the situation. Ellay/Keyclone are editing out my content continually from wowwiki. Content such as a multiboxing video guide for example. |
| 16:12.58 | Tim_ | I have never once edited their material on wowwiki, I leave it alone, and I want them to leave me alone. |
| 16:13.00 | Ellay | the video was not a guide, it was instructions on how to multibox using your program |
| 16:13.13 | Ellay | I've never placed anything on this site in the first place - you have nothing to edit |
| 16:13.35 | Ellay | just strip the advertisements from the multiboxing article |
| 16:13.36 | Tim_ | It is a guide and users have found it useful. Just like users have found my forums useful. Do I delete your guides? Your forums? No. |
| 16:14.09 | g0urra | there's no advertisements on the Multiboxing article. |
| 16:14.09 | Tim_ | I know you don't like my content because you are being paid by Keyclone not to like it. You have a huge conflict of interest. |
| 16:14.25 | Tim_ | Just leave me and my stuff alone Ellay. |
| 16:14.27 | Ellay | there isn't now, because I fixed it |
| 16:14.41 | Ellay | leave my website alone |
| 16:14.48 | Ellay | because I need to send you a cease and desist letter |
| 16:14.54 | Tim_ | All you did was undo g0urra's edits. |
| 16:15.14 | Tim_ | I'm going to redo g0urra's changes and please leave them alone, and please leave me alone. |
| 16:15.28 | Tim_ | Okay? |
| 16:15.30 | Ellay | ?? |
| 16:15.37 | Ellay | it's not "your" page |
| 16:15.43 | Ellay | multiboxing does not = your product |
| 16:15.47 | Tim_ | Of course it isn't |
| 16:15.53 | Tim_ | It is reference for the community |
| 16:15.54 | Ellay | then stop making it as if it was |
| 16:15.57 | Ellay | haha |
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| 16:16.20 | Tim_ | I know you want more money from keyclone and I'm fine with that, but do it on your own page, don't drag other community websites down with it. |
| 16:16.26 | Tim_ | Leave me alone, stop stalking me on other websites. |
| 16:16.46 | kc | hey tim... still spreading disinformation? |
| 16:17.07 | Ellay | tim did you tell gourra how your the ex ceo of wowhead? |
| 16:17.08 | g0urra | Tim_, just one thing: are your forums part of a community? it seems more like your forums is discussing about your product than anything else |
| 16:17.10 | Tim_ | Are we agreed Ellay? |
| 16:17.20 | Ellay | no, your just spewing stuff to get by |
| 16:17.33 | Ellay | gourra his forums are nothing but his own product |
| 16:17.47 | Tim_ | My community is brand new, and yes it is about community. |
| 16:17.52 | kc | saying that an affiliation fee is unfair? you can also complain to paypal, as i also pay them. meanwhile, at least 6 other products, with FAR more credibility then you, are regularly discussed on d-b.com |
| 16:17.55 | Tim_ | Everything I do is about community. |
| 16:18.02 | Tim_ | Who is kc? |
| 16:18.04 | Tim_ | Keyclone? |
| 16:18.10 | kc | g0urra... do not be fooled by tim and his bs |
| 16:18.14 | Ellay | really? your last product was against blizzard's ToS and almost got several users banned |
| 16:18.19 | Ellay | aka mousecloner |
| 16:18.43 | Tim_ | Here is the grand point: You both have a conflict of interest and that is leading you to delete my stuff from wowwiki. You make less money when I am trying to start a community around a tool I have and help people multibox. |
| 16:19.03 | Ellay | Gourra I'm not asking for anything special, just strip the multiboxing article of any advertisements, remove dual-boxing.com from it I don't care - just make it unbiased |
| 16:19.14 | Tim_ | All I'm doing is helping people by offering a new tool. I'm hoping to get new people involved into multiboxing by making it real easy for them. I help people in game with macros, I help people out of game with video making, I help people - that is the bottom line. |
| 16:19.29 | Ellay | make less money? dude my site has 0 ads, it doesn't generate revenue regardless |
| 16:19.49 | Ellay | you've even approached me trying to advertise your product and I refused |
| 16:19.52 | kc | if we were modifying the content due to a perceived conflict of interest... wouldn't we also modify out the true competitors? |
| 16:19.53 | Tim_ | You generate boatloads of income from Keyclone, lets be clear on that. |
| 16:20.06 | Tim_ | Guys its simple. Leave me alone. |
| 16:20.21 | Ellay | leave the mutliboxing article alone and play around on your own software section |
| 16:20.23 | Ellay | it's simple |
| 16:20.24 | Tim_ | You don't like my video tutorials, you think they explain things too easy for a user, or too bad? Well users like it. |
| 16:20.33 | kc | tim, leave us alone... YOU were the one pushing yourself on the community |
| 16:20.40 | Tim_ | You guys aren't the only ones who have community websites. |
| 16:20.49 | kc | you don't have a community website |
| 16:20.52 | Tim_ | I have a small one starting and people have been thanking me already for it. |
| 16:21.03 | kc | really? ok... i'll post a keyclone thread |
| 16:21.04 | Ellay | the 5 people that you sent malicous PM's through my site? |
| 16:21.18 | g0urra | Tim_, anyone outside your forums said that? |
| 16:21.18 | kc | (5 that we have heard of) |
| 16:21.22 | Tim_ | Never have, and stay on track. |
| 16:21.31 | Tim_ | yes they have |
| 16:21.36 | Tim_ | my youtube video for example |
| 16:21.59 | kc | is that the one were you posted your own response from pwnboxer and from timgt? |
| 16:22.12 | Ellay | I have a bazillion youtube videos, I have me being #1 in arenas, me showing how to play etc, #1 on warcraftmovies.com, you don't see me spamming that on there - it's not related |
| 16:22.22 | Tim_ | Nobody said you didn't |
| 16:22.31 | Tim_ | Guys I think the point is this... I'm a newcomer, yes I understand that. |
| 16:22.36 | Ellay | your not new |
| 16:22.36 | Tim_ | hear me out a second please ok? |
| 16:22.41 | Ellay | your last product failed |
| 16:22.44 | Tim_ | Could you please give me a moment and hear me out? |
| 16:22.54 | Ellay | because you violated the blizzard ToS, so you make a new name and tried to sell it |
| 16:23.06 | Tim_ | Please, a moment to talk? |
| 16:23.15 | Tim_ | I'll give you a moment. Lets keep it respectful. |
| 16:23.18 | kc | http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=21726&pageNo=1 |
| 16:23.24 | Ellay | you don't deserve any respect |
| 16:23.40 | Tim_ | How can you try and communicate with me about this wowwiki issue if you won't even let me talk to you? |
| 16:23.53 | Tim_ | Please calm down, cool down, and lets work this out maturely. |
| 16:23.55 | Ellay | this isn't about "YOU", wtf does multiboxing have to do with you |
| 16:24.48 | Tim_ | This is about the community, and I'm creating a new resource, not just a tool, but a community around a tool, and even without a tool if that is the way it goes. |
| 16:24.52 | kc | he wants to make it about him... as it would give him some credibility and exposure of a new product |
| 16:24.57 | Tim_ | You guys have no right to step all over what I'm trying to do. |
| 16:25.12 | kc | hey tim.. i'm going to post on your community site |
| 16:25.19 | Tim_ | Here me out a moment, listen to what I'm trying to do and please clear your minds and open up a little. |
| 16:25.27 | Ellay | gourra you still there? this is the latest post on my forums in regards to Tim and his antics, http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=21726&pageNo=1 |
| 16:25.29 | Tim_ | Any honest respectful posting you make is welcome. |
| 16:26.10 | Tim_ | Guys you know you've edited anytihng I've said on your site to make it seem bad. |
| 16:26.12 | kc | a year ago you directly threatened both ellay, myself, and skarlot in an effort to grab the community. after that, there is NO reason we should play nice with you |
| 16:26.18 | Ellay | it clearly shows 20 random members responding with his true colors, not of this "I'm not the bad guy" routine |
| 16:26.20 | Tim_ | I've already been told what you guys have been trying to spread. |
| 16:26.56 | Tim_ | KC and Ellay, will you do me 1 thing and try to step back, be respectful, and listen to what I'm trying to do? If you do maybe you'll settle down and we can somehow be neutral, or maybe even friends. |
| 16:27.21 | Ellay | it's a chat, do you have to keep repeating that over and over again? just say what you have to say |
| 16:27.26 | Tim_ | Okay thanks |
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| 16:27.28 | kc | sorry. don't expect to piss on my shoes on monday, and be invited to dinner on wednesday |
| 16:27.48 | Ellay | thanks for ruining my saturday morning btw tim, appreciate that |
| 16:28.05 | Tim_ | I'm a huge multiboxer and I know the common things that make it difficult to multibox. Dual-boxing.com is a great resource no doubt, but there are a lot of people who still struggle to multibox. |
| 16:28.17 | Ellay | uh who? |
| 16:28.30 | Ellay | there is over 10 software options to multibox |
| 16:28.31 | Tim_ | I'm trying to help those people who struggle by making things easier and more simple and offer them another way to get into multiboxing. |
| 16:28.43 | Ellay | no, your trying to sell your product |
| 16:29.04 | Ellay | make your product free then, for the good of the community |
| 16:29.08 | Tim_ | How would you know when you really haven't giving me the honest change to hear me out? The pwnboxer software is 3 days old.. THREE DAYS! |
| 16:29.10 | Ellay | help everyone out just a little more |
| 16:29.25 | g0urra | Tim_, is it true that you have "spammed their members with your blatant advertisements"? |
| 16:29.33 | Tim_ | Not at all |
| 16:29.46 | Ellay | yes clearly 20+ members are going to just say that for no reason |
| 16:29.47 | Tim_ | Listen to what really happened... a honest guy came to their forums asking about pwnboxer. |
| 16:29.50 | Tim_ | and he was immediately attacked |
| 16:29.59 | Ellay | the IP's were taced back to you |
| 16:30.02 | Ellay | .... |
| 16:30.06 | Ellay | traced |
| 16:30.10 | Tim_ | A guy posted on dual-boxing forums asking about pwnbxoer, he said it was cool, he had some questions.. BAM you guys attacked him and banned him. |
| 16:30.10 | g0urra | and it's looking more and more like you are trying to advertise your newly made product |
| 16:30.30 | Tim_ | That isn't true, you guys banned me from making accounts, how could i make an account? |
| 16:30.49 | Tim_ | you banned me by my IP address, so how could you somehow trace it to my ip if you banned it? |
| 16:30.54 | Tim_ | Please guys, stop with the false statements. |
| 16:31.00 | Ellay | because you tried to sell a product that was against Blizzard's ToS and almost got members of MY community banned saying it was approved by GM's, when it wasn't |
| 16:31.09 | Tim_ | I don't have a product against any blizzard TOS |
| 16:31.21 | g0urra | "The pwnboxer software is 3 days old.. THREE DAYS!" |
| 16:31.26 | Ellay | tell me right now mousecloner was never against the ToS at any point in time? |
| 16:31.29 | g0urra | so you added external links to your product |
| 16:31.45 | Tim_ | Well it might be 4 or 5 days by now, to be honest i havent slept much lately |
| 16:31.47 | g0urra | again it sounds like you are trying to advertise your product |
| 16:31.52 | kc | the 'guy' posted it as his first post. like all internet spammers. |
| 16:32.10 | Tim_ | I'm not advertising my product, I'm linking it to show people other options to help multibox |
| 16:32.15 | Tim_ | The same way other softwares do on wowwiki |
| 16:32.22 | Ellay | good, do it on the software page |
| 16:32.23 | Tim_ | also i am promoting my new community |
| 16:32.38 | g0urra | Tim_: it doesn't belong on the Multiboxing article then |
| 16:32.41 | Tim_ | g0urra Keyclone's website is also dual-boxing.com so keep that in mind. |
| 16:32.54 | Tim_ | dual-boxing.com is keyclones website to sell his product, so that should be removed then as well |
| 16:33.13 | Ellay | uh? |
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| 16:33.21 | Tim_ | The pwnboxer website isn't just about software |
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| 16:33.28 | Ellay | I own the site, not keyclone , stop trying to side track |
| 16:33.43 | g0urra | <Ellay> The dual-boxing website isn't just about software |
| 16:33.46 | Ellay | that's the problem, you still advertise in it |
| 16:33.48 | g0urra | see what I did there, Tim_? |
| 16:33.55 | Tim_ | Yup exactly |
| 16:34.00 | Tim_ | that is a true statement |
| 16:34.02 | Tim_ | For both of us |
| 16:34.12 | Tim_ | Therefore, both of us deserve to promote our communities on the multiboxing page |
| 16:34.22 | Ellay | I don't want to promote shit |
| 16:34.26 | Ellay | I want it to be unbiased |
| 16:34.32 | Ellay | strip any link to dual-boxing from the article |
| 16:34.36 | Ellay | I don't care |
| 16:34.37 | Tim_ | Dualboxing is bigger than me by 1000% i agree, but that doesnt mean i have no right to grow |
| 16:34.47 | kc | timmy... my domain is solidice.com and has been since 1998 |
| 16:34.58 | Tim_ | yes and dual-boxing.com has buy buttons for keyclone software |
| 16:35.01 | Tim_ | but thats not the point |
| 16:35.07 | Tim_ | BOTH our websites are for software AND community |
| 16:35.27 | Tim_ | Yours is vastly bigger, yes, but I'm trying to grow, im trying to tailor to the audience that needs more help multiboxing |
| 16:35.43 | Ellay | no, your community is a support page for your product, and either way it doesn't belong on the multiboxing article |
| 16:35.51 | Tim_ | That is not correct |
| 16:36.03 | Tim_ | I have a section for user submitted videos, I have forums for general game chatting |
| 16:36.16 | Tim_ | I even have a user who is creating videos right now for users of pwnboxer |
| 16:36.20 | kc | ok.. i posted a thread to your 'community' tim |
| 16:36.24 | Ellay | your history with the multiboxing community is about as bad as it can get. I've never seen anyone dig themselves in a deeper hole |
| 16:36.27 | Tim_ | I can even show you the "intro" that he created for users |
| 16:36.38 | kc | http://pwnboxer.com/Forums/tabid/61/forumid/1/threadid/73/scope/posts/Default.aspx |
| 16:36.48 | Tim_ | KC thanks ill check it out after this chat, i hope it is a honest and constructive posting. |
| 16:37.05 | Tim_ | as with an forum, trolls and general disrespect aren't allowed. |
| 16:37.08 | Tim_ | But back on track |
| 16:37.16 | Tim_ | Guys my site is communited + software. So is dual-boxing. |
| 16:37.24 | Tim_ | *community |
| 16:37.24 | Ellay | I don't care about these little things - just clean up the front page article for no advertisements |
| 16:37.43 | Tim_ | You care enough to remove my video which has already helped people |
| 16:37.47 | Tim_ | thats not cool |
| 16:37.57 | Tim_ | If 1 single person is helped, that demonstrates a contribution to the community. |
| 16:38.01 | Tim_ | and that is what its all about |
| 16:38.06 | kc | LOL |
| 16:38.11 | Ellay | advertise all you want in your own section, a new user doesn't need to be overwhelmed with your product, there are 10+ to choose from and most are free, why do they need yours? |
| 16:38.11 | Tim_ | Of course I hope to help more, but that is the goal |
| 16:38.17 | kc | oh stop, you're killing me... LOL |
| 16:38.26 | Ellay | make your product free then |
| 16:38.27 | Tim_ | It isn't your right Ellay to say "Why do they need mine". |
| 16:38.31 | Ellay | help out the community |
| 16:38.40 | Ellay | you could help them out that much more |
| 16:38.48 | Tim_ | All websites who help the community deserve to post on wowwiki.com. All of them. |
| 16:38.49 | kc | tim, you burned your bridge with the community last year |
| 16:39.03 | kc | and now you are trying to involved others that have no experience with you |
| 16:39.07 | Tim_ | How, I'm responsible for multiple websites that help the community last year, as well as now. |
| 16:39.21 | Ellay | that's fine, I'll edit the page to include every single software possibly in alphabetical order |
| 16:39.30 | Tim_ | or you could leave it alone |
| 16:39.32 | Tim_ | and not be childish |
| 16:39.41 | g0urra | Tim_: the video you added solely shows how to setup the Pwnboxer software. that's advertisement |
| 16:39.43 | Tim_ | Neutraility guys, that is the key |
| 16:39.46 | Ellay | why, they have a right to show their product |
| 16:39.50 | kc | (i never understood the ordering on the software multiboxing page) |
| 16:39.52 | Tim_ | g0urra thats just the start of the video |
| 16:40.00 | Tim_ | g0urra, the video reviews macros in the game, positioning, and more |
| 16:40.17 | Tim_ | multiboxing *requires* software or hardware, there is no real way around it. So its going to show 1 or the other. |
| 16:40.22 | Ellay | why is it even in the video?, because your advertising on wowwiki |
| 16:40.23 | g0urra | "Set up multiboxing in World of Warcraft in under 5 minutes with Pwnboxer" |
| 16:40.27 | Tim_ | yup exactly |
| 16:40.29 | kc | also.. please note... KEYCLONE has been around since April 2006. until tim tried to shape reality with his posts, i never bothered to chime in more then what the others had |
| 16:40.36 | g0urra | yeah that doesn't look like advertisement at all. |
| 16:40.41 | Ellay | just say your key broadcasting, which is what every option uses |
| 16:40.44 | Tim_ | it starts with pwnboxer software, middle of the video and end of the video are in game materia |
| 16:41.07 | Tim_ | g0urra, check the video out entirely, it reviews in game macros, keyboard layout of the numpad keys, stuff like that. |
| 16:41.31 | Tim_ | People can't multibox without software/hardware, thats a requirement. The rest is about macros and whatnot. My video covers that. |
| 16:41.37 | g0urra | want me to repeat the video title so you can understand the point? |
| 16:41.39 | g0urra | "Set up multiboxing in World of Warcraft in under 5 minutes with Pwnboxer" |
| 16:41.50 | kc | keyclone also has setup videos... i did not link them on the wowwiki page |
| 16:41.55 | Tim_ | Yes, because software is required. A hardware multiboxer wouldn't watch that video. |
| 16:42.25 | g0urra | Tim_, I don't see ANY OTHER video showing how to setup software on the Multiboxing article |
| 16:42.26 | Tim_ | A new person who is new to multiboxing has no idea what to do. That video says A) pwnboxer can help, and b) here are macros, in game controls, etc. |
| 16:42.30 | Ellay | how would they know what they are going to do? they just want to know about multiboxing, not about your product |
| 16:42.57 | Tim_ | g0urra hold on let me check the multiboxing wowwiki page for reference |
| 16:43.20 | Tim_ | Okay so there are no instructional videos on wowwiki, I see that now. |
| 16:43.26 | Tim_ | But wouldn't it be the right place? |
| 16:43.31 | g0urra | no. |
| 16:43.39 | Tim_ | To be honest, how could you make an instructional video on multiboxing then? |
| 16:43.47 | g0urra | Tim_, your video is advertisement; it shows people that how with your software they can start using multiboxing software |
| 16:43.50 | Tim_ | on software multiboxing without including the software in the video? |
| 16:43.57 | g0urra | Tim_, that's not the purpose of the article. |
| 16:44.01 | Tim_ | It wasn't meant to be an advertisement. |
| 16:44.09 | g0urra | too bad, but it is. |
| 16:44.11 | Ellay | I have one, with 0 reference to what I use |
| 16:44.14 | Tim_ | Okay I can respect that. I thought the article was about everything involved with multiboxing. |
| 16:44.37 | Tim_ | Okay I can see your point on the video. |
| 16:44.56 | Tim_ | Instead the video could be more generic to software, maybe more conceptual |
| 16:45.09 | Tim_ | it would be harder to do i think, but its possible. |
| 16:45.36 | g0urra | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Multi-boxing&diff=prev&oldid=274237514 |
| 16:45.41 | g0urra | I find this edit rather amusing |
| 16:46.10 | kc | 3 years keyclone has been out. 18 months for octopus. 8+ months for innerspaces efforts. 12+ for hkn. 3+ for ahk. and for some reason, the only problem is with tim |
| 16:46.52 | Tim_ | Yup g0urra I remember that edit. and honestly, that was the first time I've done anything on a wiki, which is why I didn't bother changing it back. I thought the user made a good edit. |
| 16:47.05 | Tim_ | because i recognized it was a little over |
| 16:47.19 | Tim_ | Tim's pwnboxer is 3 days old, and there isn't a problem with it. |
| 16:47.26 | kc | lol |
| 16:47.30 | Tim_ | Mousecloner has approaching a thousand users now and people love it. |
| 16:47.46 | kc | really? cool. i'll let blizzard know |
| 16:47.46 | Tim_ | and the pwnboxer users so far are very appreciative |
| 16:47.52 | Tim_ | But guys its not about software sales |
| 16:48.01 | kc | you mean your other 2 accounts? |
| 16:48.02 | Tim_ | g0urra's goal is to not make the multiboxing page advertisy. |
| 16:48.04 | g0urra | Tim_, the point is that you're advertising |
| 16:48.08 | g0urra | they aren't |
| 16:48.12 | Tim_ | I'm not trying to |
| 16:48.27 | kc | LOL |
| 16:48.29 | Tim_ | But I'll be the first to admit, some of the things can be considered that way |
| 16:48.32 | g0urra | "or sending Mouse movements and clicks (Mousecloner.com)" |
| 16:48.37 | kc | oh phuleaze |
| 16:48.41 | g0urra | you're trying to say that's not advertisement? |
| 16:48.45 | Tim_ | Not at all |
| 16:48.47 | g0urra | "*[http://www.mousecloner.com "Mousecloner.com: The best multiboxing mouse software."] A fantastic tool for multiboxing your mouse." |
| 16:48.50 | Tim_ | You're talking about the wikipedia? |
| 16:48.58 | g0urra | "the best multiboxing mouse software" |
| 16:49.20 | Tim_ | is that the wikipedia link? |
| 16:49.42 | g0urra | yes, and it shows that you are, and/or have been advertising, which you say you aren't |
| 16:49.51 | Tim_ | Sorry you must not have read what I said to you |
| 16:50.05 | Tim_ | I recognized the user who edited that out was correct, so i didn't fight it. |
| 16:50.23 | Tim_ | Yea that was too advertisy, so i let it go. My mistake, the user corrected it. I appreciate that. |
| 16:50.40 | g0urra | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Multiboxing_software&diff=1883885&oldid=1881912 |
| 16:50.40 | *** join/#wowwiki Ellay (n=48bd2074@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-247cc029a812460b) |
| 16:50.42 | Tim_ | The video you mentioned, I think its a good video, but yes it could be construed as advertising if somebody viewed it like that. |
| 16:50.43 | kc | g0urra... you can also catch his antics here: |
| 16:50.43 | kc | http://digg.com/pc_games/keyclone_software_multiboxing_2 |
| 16:50.51 | Tim_ | kc hold on please let me talk to g0rra |
| 16:50.53 | g0urra | this one, then? was I incorrect in my edit? |
| 16:51.24 | Tim_ | reading now sec |
| 16:51.47 | Ellay | hmm looks like my browser crashed, I miss anything exciting? :) |
| 16:51.53 | Tim_ | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Multiboxing_software&diff=1883885&oldid=1881912 |
| 16:51.55 | Tim_ | reading that now Ellay |
| 16:52.12 | kc | g0urra..you can also see him self promoting as 2 different users here: |
| 16:52.13 | kc | http://digg.com/pc_games/Set_up_multiboxing_in_World_of_Warcraft_in_under_5_minutes |
| 16:52.23 | Tim_ | G0urra so my goal was to explain how to do set CPU and graphic card controlling of your wow.exe's |
| 16:52.27 | kc | this is not tim's first merry-go-round |
| 16:52.32 | Tim_ | So should I take that away from pwnboxer, keep it separate? |
| 16:52.42 | Tim_ | guys hold on please trying to talk to him/her |
| 16:52.46 | kc | tim, you held it out as if you came up with it |
| 16:52.48 | kc | you did not |
| 16:53.02 | g0urra | oh look, this "Timgt" user backs up on "Pwnboxer" |
| 16:53.19 | Tim_ | What do you mean? On digg? |
| 16:53.32 | g0urra | yes |
| 16:53.33 | Tim_ | KC and Ellay told the dual-boxing users to DOWNRANK my responses to the Digg article. |
| 16:53.34 | kc | g0urra... he has done this stuff in the past... and was banned from the community for it |
| 16:53.56 | kc | yea.. i read your posts on my 'henchmen'... i was dying |
| 16:54.09 | Tim_ | your henchman flooded my forums, i had to go on a ban spree |
| 16:54.28 | Tim_ | your henchman flooded my Youtube profile page too, i had to delete a ton of comments |
| 16:54.28 | Ellay | ?? |
| 16:54.29 | kc | henchmen?? who uses that word? |
| 16:54.34 | Tim_ | Me |
| 16:54.37 | kc | lol |
| 16:54.43 | kc | i guess you would know |
| 16:54.57 | Tim_ | Okay I can respectfully admit, the pwnboxer video can be seen as an add |
| 16:55.05 | Tim_ | I'm man enough to own up to that. |
| 16:55.08 | kc | gee.. that's big of you |
| 16:55.18 | Tim_ | It wasn't my intent, but I'm okay with that |
| 16:55.19 | Ellay | all your articles are ads, with the intent to make money or you wouldn't even be doing this |
| 16:55.20 | kc | not like it was obvious or nothing |
| 16:55.36 | Ellay | you spammed everyone's multiboxing videos on youtube with links to your software |
| 16:55.41 | Tim_ | Not at all |
| 16:55.44 | kc | g0urra... my digg username is rmcinnis |
| 16:55.46 | g0urra | Tim_, the part on multiboxing software was advertisemene too |
| 16:55.53 | Tim_ | What part? |
| 16:56.09 | g0urra | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Multiboxing_software&diff=1883885&oldid=1881912 |
| 16:56.18 | Tim_ | 1 moment please |
| 16:56.28 | kc | tim... vyndree and i had to remove your ads from our youtube areas |
| 16:56.40 | kc | when you pushed mousecloner |
| 16:56.47 | Tim_ | The pwnboxer material on that page is really the same fashion that all the other softwares are |
| 16:56.56 | kc | LOL |
| 16:56.56 | Tim_ | Keyclone for example states keyclone can this, keyclone cant hat. |
| 16:57.09 | kc | prior to y our bs... keyclone's bit was a 2 line paragraph |
| 16:57.18 | Ellay | alright I've spent enough time out of my saturday dealing with this - sorry for the hassle g0urra, thanks for your help. I hope you don't have to deal with this anymore, gonna log in and play some now :) |
| 16:57.30 | Tim_ | Wouldn't the software page be the place to describe common features of the software? |
| 16:57.42 | kc | it wasn't until you showed up |
| 16:57.44 | Ellay | he'll probably manipulate another admin to 'fix' it, but I did what I could, take care |
| 16:57.44 | Tim_ | It seems to me all the softwares do that. |
| 16:57.54 | Tim_ | Autohotkey has some samples of his software config, KC has it, I have it |
| 16:58.24 | Tim_ | I'm fine with removing anything remotely looking like an advertising from the multiboxing page as long as everybody else does the same. |
| 16:58.38 | Tim_ | Fair is fair I'll yield to g0urra's judgement and I won't go around it. |
| 16:58.47 | g0urra | Tim_, so you got banned from the dual-boxing forums? |
| 16:59.11 | kc | the keyclone section was added by someone like 2 years ago (i never touched it). it was straight from the general description... since software based keyboard multiplexor were new at the time |
| 16:59.27 | Tim_ | g0urra, about 3 months ago I introduced a really popular software based upon user feedback. Keyclone and Ellay constantly defaced my forum postings (They edited my postings) and basically banned me. |
| 16:59.48 | Tim_ | kc, thats fine, my point is that lots of them have descriptions of features, thats all. |
| 16:59.51 | kc | wow.. that's completely inaccurate |
| 17:00.24 | kc | first, you showed up as a new user .. mousecloner.. instead of 'evilseed' which was your forum name |
| 17:00.50 | kc | then you spammed your ads... we pulled it back to check it, since we don't want anyone downloading software without knowing wth it is |
| 17:01.06 | Tim_ | We went over this. I create new names for every website. I was wowhead on digg, i was wowguilds on other sites, im pwnboxer, im mousecloner, im wtbblue, im tagwow. |
| 17:01.13 | Tim_ | I name all my names according to the thing I'm promoting. |
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| 17:01.20 | Tim_ | I keep seperate email accounts for each, etc. |
| 17:01.27 | kc | you weren't new on d-b.com at the time |
| 17:01.36 | g0urra | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Multiboxing_software&diff=prev&oldid=904377 keyclone added to the article, october 7th 2007, along with other software |
| 17:01.37 | kc | you created the new name... and posted as evilseed |
| 17:01.39 | Tim_ | sure i was, soon as mousecloner was released, i created a mousecloner name to represent it. |
| 17:01.49 | kc | just like you did in the digg post |
| 17:02.38 | Tim_ | g0urra, I never added pwnboxer to the software page i dont believe. |
| 17:02.46 | Tim_ | I don't know how it got there honestly. |
| 17:02.51 | Tim_ | I think a wowwiki admin put it there |
| 17:02.52 | kc | g0urra... that was added by users. not me |
| 17:03.11 | g0urra | kc my point |
| 17:03.17 | kc | i've tried to be low key |
| 17:03.28 | Tim_ | Yea now that I recall, a wowwiki admin moved it to the software page and said that is where details about the softwares should go. |
| 17:03.47 | Tim_ | You added yourself a while ago yea, but I couldn't of done that, Pwnboxer is a few days old. |
| 17:03.59 | Tim_ | and I didn't add myself to it either technically |
| 17:04.02 | Tim_ | It was put there |
| 17:04.08 | kc | no tim, i did not add myself as g0urra just pointed out |
| 17:04.27 | Tim_ | I'm referring to the descriptions and details of the software, the advertisy stuff |
| 17:04.31 | Tim_ | You added it a couple days ago i believe. |
| 17:04.31 | kc | and keyclone was added along with other multiboxing software |
| 17:04.46 | Tim_ | and pwnboxer was added as well, not by me |
| 17:04.49 | g0urra | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Multiboxing&diff=1880472&oldid=1837800 |
| 17:04.52 | kc | in the internet age... if you do it, so must i |
| 17:04.56 | g0urra | that doesn't look like advertisement to you? |
| 17:05.01 | Tim_ | I believe the wowwiki admin created that page for software |
| 17:05.13 | g0urra | "A new software has recently joined the forey of software-only solutions which promises to get you multiboxing in less than [http://pwnboxer.com 5 minutes]." |
| 17:05.19 | g0urra | "Recent innovations in a new software solutions called [http://pwnboxer.com PwnBoxer] have enabled users to cut the price requirement to multibox by intelligently controlling how much CPU (and consequently, Frames Per Second (FPS)) each copy of World of Warcraft requires." |
| 17:05.31 | g0urra | "There is an interesting video here showing how to quickly enable a person to multibox 2 characters in literally under 5 minutes. This [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUYFJj1bEfY video] shows off a software solution as well as 3 key and powerful macros." |
| 17:05.52 | Tim_ | Yea I said earlier that the video could be construed as an advertisement, and if thats the case then yea take the video off. |
| 17:06.14 | kc | could be construed? |
| 17:06.18 | Tim_ | If some of my things are adds, fine, I said that I can understand it, but when you guys delete it ALL, what am I to think? |
| 17:06.34 | kc | that you got banned from the community |
| 17:06.38 | Tim_ | The video shows how to multibox in 5 minutes, I think thats a tutorial. |
| 17:06.39 | Tim_ | No |
| 17:06.46 | Tim_ | I got banned from dual-boxing because I competed. |
| 17:06.53 | straterra | Waht the.. |
| 17:06.54 | Tim_ | You have a huge conflict of interest |
| 17:06.57 | g0urra | <Tim_> The video shows how to use my software to multibox in 5 minutes, I think thats a tutorial. |
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| 17:07.00 | Tim_ | straterra shh :) |
| 17:07.02 | kc | and trying to claim credit for things is dishonest |
| 17:07.20 | kc | timmy... you never competed |
| 17:07.23 | straterra | I mean..I just leveled..and I can't put the talent in my talent tree :/ |
| 17:07.32 | Tim_ | Multiboxing requires software or hardware. A tutorial to start multiboxing for absolute new people requires one of the other to be shown. |
| 17:07.49 | Tim_ | g0urra, because it is required to be shown, how else do you make a tutorial then? It is required. |
| 17:07.56 | kc | there are what.. 10 software products? all discussed on d-b.com |
| 17:08.07 | g0urra | doesn't belong on the article, Tim_ |
| 17:08.14 | Tim_ | There are no easy to use methods to get a user multiboxing in 5 minutes. That is what I created. |
| 17:08.15 | g0urra | there's no thing on wikipedia either |
| 17:08.26 | g0urra | and multiboxing isn't only about WoW |
| 17:08.29 | kc | tim, you would put YOUR tutorial on YOUR page... just like i do for keyclone |
| 17:08.38 | Tim_ | Pwnboxer supports all games, not just WoW. |
| 17:08.46 | kc | http://solidice.com/keyclone/video/index.html |
| 17:09.02 | Tim_ | along with dual-boxing ones |
| 17:09.13 | Tim_ | that you've authored and the community has been given a chance to author as well. |
| 17:09.15 | kc | keyclone will get you multiboxing in 2 minutes |
| 17:09.16 | Tim_ | I'm asking for that chance |
| 17:09.30 | kc | have your wows running... run keyclone.. hit spacebar... watch all jump. |
| 17:09.50 | Tim_ | My video shows people how to configure their characters to all cast heal spells and lightning bolts. My video is the whole 9 yards to get somebody starting. |
| 17:09.54 | Tim_ | Yours is to get somebody..jumping. |
| 17:09.58 | kc | sorry tim, you burned that bridge a LONG time ago |
| 17:10.05 | Tim_ | What bridge? |
| 17:10.06 | kc | the community does not want you around. |
| 17:10.13 | Tim_ | My community says otherwise. |
| 17:10.30 | kc | then stay in your community and stop complaining that d-b.com doesn't want you |
| 17:10.41 | Tim_ | I have 31 new members signed up in about 3 days to my website. |
| 17:10.52 | kc | how many are you? |
| 17:10.54 | Tim_ | It is small, but it is a community. |
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| 17:10.59 | Tim_ | 1, Pwnboxer is me. |
| 17:11.04 | kc | guess that made me #31 |
| 17:11.17 | Tim_ | Yup, and if you are respectful and contribute, I hope you stay. |
| 17:11.32 | kc | as a member of YOUR community, i would like to see you focus your efforts on pwnboxer,com and stay away from other sites |
| 17:11.42 | kc | =) |
| 17:11.46 | Tim_ | I don't use other sites |
| 17:11.47 | Tim_ | Well honestly |
| 17:11.52 | Tim_ | I've used yours |
| 17:11.58 | kc | ie: wowwiki.com or dual-boxing.com |
| 17:12.03 | kc | i know y ou have |
| 17:12.05 | Tim_ | I do like keyclone, i never said i didnt. I bought it like 6 times |
| 17:12.15 | Tim_ | But thats where I see improvements to be made, where pwnboxer comes in. |
| 17:12.21 | kc | LOL |
| 17:12.22 | Tim_ | We don't have to fight like this |
| 17:12.28 | Tim_ | my opinion of course |
| 17:12.33 | g0urra | okay Tim_ so you've been advertising. and that's not allowed |
| 17:12.37 | kc | last year... i'm pretty sure the statements you made were not about improvements |
| 17:12.38 | g0urra | bye |
| 17:12.39 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+b *!*n=Tim@*.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] by g0urra |
| 17:12.39 | *** kick/#wowwiki [Tim_!n=g0urra@wowwiki/g0urra] by g0urra (g0urra) |
| 17:13.09 | kc | you demand ellay hand you his domain and i must give you all rights to keyclone... otherwise you would do to teh dual-boxing community what you did to thotbot |
| 17:13.32 | kc | ouchie... that musta left a mark |
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| 17:30.36 | pcj | k im back did i miss anything |
| 17:31.06 | g0urra | nah |
| 17:51.36 | Fisker- | yeah pcj |
| 17:51.43 | Fisker- | you missed the greatest event of all time |
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| 18:18.48 | a_s_y_d_ | hi |
| 18:18.59 | a_s_y_d_ | does anyone use curse client with wine ? |
| 18:19.43 | sacarasc | #wowace is where the Curse people hang out. |
| 18:20.34 | sacarasc | [00:08:30]<Pneumatus> sacarasc: wget http://www.kegel.com/wine/winetricks && sh winetricks ie6 |
| 18:20.39 | sacarasc | That makes it work again, though. |
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| 18:32.26 | a_s_y_d_ | thanks, now it's working again :D |
| 18:33.20 | a_s_y_d_ | could you tell me what's happened? |
| 18:34.27 | sacarasc | It needs IE for the ads now. |
| 18:34.48 | a_s_y_d_ | ... |
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| 18:58.34 | pcj | lolol |
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| 19:21.49 | g0urra | [[Account security awareness]] [[Security guide]] [[Basic account security]] |
| 19:21.51 | Dotted | g0urra meant: www.wowwiki.com/Account_security_awareness, www.wowwiki.com/Security_guide, www.wowwiki.com/Basic_account_security |
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| 22:42.23 | Keolah | Is there a list somewhere of enchants by slot? |
| 22:44.38 | pcj | yes |
| 22:44.43 | pcj | http://www.wowwiki.com/Enchantments_by_slot |
| 22:44.45 | pcj | Yay! |
| 22:45.17 | pcj | is that not what you were looking for keolah :( |
| 22:47.44 | pcj | :'( |
| 22:50.53 | pcj | :''''( |
| 22:52.57 | Keolah | Sorry, I was looking intently at the ebon blade rep rewards ;p |
| 22:53.04 | Keolah | .. and finding mushrooms. |
| 22:53.10 | pcj | mmmm shrooms |
| 23:00.42 | Keolah | Do the impact enchants help with feral attack power? |
| 23:02.25 | Keolah | What would be the best enchant for a feral druid? They don't seem to have added an agility enchant in wrath.. |
| 23:02.30 | Keolah | For two-handers that is. |
| 23:03.12 | pcj | keolah, have you heard of Rawr? |
| 23:03.32 | Keolah | What? |
| 23:03.47 | Keolah | has no idea what you're talking about. |
| 23:03.48 | pcj | http://www.codeplex.com/Rawr |
| 23:04.31 | pcj | "Rawr is a program for comparing and exploring gear for Bears, Cats, Moonkin, Healadins, Retadins, Mages, ProtWarriors, Trees, Hunters, Tankadins, HealingPriests, ShadowPriests, EnhShams, and DPS Death Knights, in the MMORPG, World of Warcraft. Rawr has been designed from the start to be fun to use, and helpful in finding better combinations of gear, and what gear to obtain." |
| 23:04.53 | Keolah | I don't do random programs. ;p |
| 23:05.32 | Keolah | And the only addon I use is omen. |
| 23:05.44 | pcj | suit yourself |
| 23:06.23 | Keolah | I just hate when I ask a reasonable question and get pointed to some program, or when, ahem, somebody asks a reasonable question to where they should quest at a particular level and get replied "just use TourGuide" :P |
| 23:06.31 | pcj | and no impact doesn't work with feral |
| 23:06.37 | Keolah | Just wondering. |
| 23:07.15 | pcj | and exceptional agility is a wrath enchant |
| 23:07.23 | pcj | but you're talking 2h...hmm |
| 23:07.37 | Keolah | Yeah, the feral in question will be using a staff. |
| 23:08.09 | Keolah | +26 agility just isn't as useful as +35 (How viable would it be to farm up that recipe at 80?) and weird that they didn't add an upgrade for it. |
| 23:11.14 | Keolah | has never been to the Arcatraz. |
| 23:11.32 | pcj | heh |
| 23:11.37 | pcj | you didn't miss much |
| 23:13.12 | Keolah | Just a +35 agility enchant for 2h, apparently, heh. |
| 23:13.37 | pcj | yup |
| 23:17.13 | Lukian | "Does a Naaru turn off the Light when it wants to sleep?" |
| 23:18.01 | Lukian | interesting, the Draenei orphan capitalises "light" |
| 23:18.35 | Lukian | Keolah, hmm I wonder if +35 agility is a 100% droprate like the blue recipes are now |
| 23:19.40 | pcj | lukian... |
| 23:19.46 | pcj | the Light is a religion |
| 23:19.56 | Lukian | I'm aware |
| 23:20.05 | pcj | naaru are like...an embodiment of the Light |
| 23:20.24 | Lukian | It's kind of naughty for the orphan to say that? ^_^ |
| 23:20.54 | pcj | no |
| 23:22.13 | g0urra | when naaru talk dirty: "Yeah baby you can turn on my Light" |
| 23:22.31 | pcj | except it sounds like door chimes |
| 23:22.34 | pcj | err wind chimes |
| 23:24.14 | g0urra | if you listen with your ears yeah |
| 23:27.31 | foxlit | Lukian: those orphans have no reservations anyway. |
| 23:28.12 | Lukian | foxlit, hehe indeed |
| 23:33.43 | foxlit | whine: the wowwiki forums are *worse* than the village pump for monitoring interesting things |
| 23:34.09 | pcj | lolol |
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| 23:49.29 | MoX | evening |
| 23:52.29 | MoX | anyone here |
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| 23:58.51 | pcj | no |
| 23:59.09 | Keolah | People? Wha? ;p |
