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00:02.38AFKTempetenight!
00:02.54KeolahThe entirety of the game is leveling and grinding! :P
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00:03.38KorenWhat about PvP/Raiding?
00:03.57Keolahdoesn't do pvp/raiding :P
00:04.02Kirkburn|afkI'm off to bed, but there's some issue going on between http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Contributions/Gurblash and http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Contributions/Pwnboxer over multiboxing (and they're pestering Gil)
00:04.21KeolahI can't stand dealing with morons.
00:04.40KeolahBut I _like_ leveling/grindnig ;p
00:05.31KorenYou seem to have had some traumatic experience that makes you believe almost everyone that's not you is a complete moron.
00:06.24KeolahIt's called the internet. ;p
00:06.47KorenOnly /some/ of the people on the internet are morons.
00:06.52KeolahAnd I've seen otherwise intelligent people turn into utter imbeciles when put into an MMORPG.
00:07.49KeolahAnd yes, only some of the people on the internet are morons. Most of the remainder are assholes ;p
00:07.57Keolahpvp tends to attract the latter sort ;p
00:08.09KorenI've never had problems with pugs, though.
00:08.18KeolahThe kind who play a pve server just to flag themselves, get on a mammoth, and stand on top of a questgiver.
00:08.30KeolahI have.
00:08.32Keolah:P
00:08.34KorenPeople still do that?
00:08.37Koren:o
00:08.59KeolahI had a PUG for Zuluhed the Whacked some months back.
00:09.16KeolahIt was last summer actually, during the Midsummer Fire Festival.
00:10.03KeolahWhich I only remember because the fifth member of the group came in flagged... and there were 5 flagged hordies in front of us, who, when our last group member landed, proceeded to attack him.
00:10.49KeolahNote that some of my group members had flagged themselves in order to buff said fifth person (who was only flagged from dousing fires in Outland).
00:11.32KorenAnyway, the point of a guild is to AVOID those complete morons.  There would be no point of a guild otherwise.
00:11.32KeolahBasically it turned into a retarded clusterfrak, in which two group members died from falling off the balcony, two more were killed by the hordies, and I was the only one still standing there unflagged :P
00:11.51KeolahWe tried joining a guild once. ;p
00:12.11KorenWhat type of guild?  A serious raiding one, or just one that was spamming general or trade?
00:12.13KeolahThey told us "You need X gear, and you need to respec to resto"
00:12.29KeolahAnd said to farm dungeons for X gear... and didn't offer any assistance in said farming :P
00:13.08pcjgah
00:13.13pcjone of you change your name
00:13.17pcjtoo many Ks
00:13.17KeolahWhat?
00:13.18KorenKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKkk
00:13.20pcjit's unnatural
00:13.33KirlinBetter? :D
00:13.39Koren:D
00:13.47KeofoxO:)
00:14.06Vykk then
00:14.26KeofoxVy, for Vyndetta? ;p
00:14.33VySure >.>
00:15.29VyAnyway, I'm probably spoiled by my realm.  It was founded purely on transfers, so most everyone there for the first 5 months had to at least know how to realm transfer.
00:15.58VyMost of which were high-end guilds tired of queues
00:16.26KeofoxBut my friends have plenty of "experience" in dungeons and guilds, and even though they might sometimes say how great raiding is, they pretty much do nothing but bitch about their guilds and say how everyone is a moron ;p
00:17.21VyThat doesn't necessarily mean they're right.
00:17.42KeofoxThis through multiple different guilds through a few years.
00:17.42VyMy friend complains about his guild, and it's quite visible in their progression.
00:17.56KeofoxOf course, could be that they just have horrible taste ;p
00:18.07KeofoxI mean, Aerv thinks that paladins are the best tanks ever.
00:18.16Vycuz dey are
00:18.17Vy>.>
00:18.26Vyimo
00:18.45KeofoxBear > paladin! :P
00:19.14VyNEVAR!
00:19.38KeofoxProt warrior > bear! :)
00:19.54VyThat sounds about right
00:19.57Vy:D
00:19.58Keofox(On the other hand, I might just suck with my prot paladin)
00:20.15KeofoxI haven't even _played_ him since wrath came out.
00:20.23KeofoxAnd they go and change everything.
00:20.48VyThey're simple now, it's just the 96969 rotation >.>
00:21.15VyWith a little flair :P
00:21.16Krapswtf, no druid trainer in IF ftl
00:21.32Vyl2teleport moonglade, nub >.>
00:21.42KeofoxHell with that. ;p
00:21.50Krapsno u
00:25.10KeofoxAnd I don't really want to hear the word "Rotation" used with regards to playing the game :P
00:26.09KorenThen you're probably best off playing a healer :P
00:26.13KeofoxI heard too much as a hunter people spouting crap about "shot rotation" and I didn't give a shit, I play hunters because they're fun, not because I want to optimize my dps for raid bosses ;p
00:27.19KeofoxI play a rogue because it's fun to rip stuff to little pieces, and I play a warrior because I like to smash stuff in the face, and I play a priest because I like healing :p
00:28.19KeofoxAnd I play a feral druid because, uh, see comments for rogue and warrior and add being fuzzy to it.
00:28.24Krapskeofox you dont raid i take it :)
00:28.26KorenThat would explain your distaste for raiding and the such
00:28.28KeofoxNever.
00:28.46Korenbut honestly, the point of an mmorpg is putting up and cooperating with others, if you don't enjoy that
00:28.53KeofoxYou don't understand.
00:28.56KeofoxI _DO_ play with others. ;p
00:29.03Krapsbbl
00:29.08KeofoxJust primarily with my bf ;p
00:29.15KeofoxAnd a few close friends.
00:31.14KorenThere's a reason I said 'others' instead of 'friends'
00:31.40KeofoxThe point of an mmorpg, as with any game, is first and most importantly, to HAVE FUN. ;p
00:32.06KorenAnd there are different ways to have fun
00:32.19KeofoxIf I have fun leveling, doing dailies, etc, and don't mind missing out on the leet raid equipment, why not?
00:32.31KorenI dunno, you tell me.
00:34.00Kirkburn|afksupports Keofox
00:34.14Kirkburn|afk(and I think I group even less)
00:34.41Kirkburn|afkYou can get pretty good equipment outside PvP and raids these days anyway
00:34.45Keofoxhehe
00:34.59Keofoxargent tournament + crafted stuff + rep rewards, is not really that bad.
00:35.04Kirkburn|afkMore than half my hunter's gear is epic, and I haven't done a single Wrath dungeon
00:35.21KeofoxMy rogue needs to do some Ebon Blade rep.
00:36.06Kirkburn|afkHowever did I enjoy WoW before dailies...
00:38.40Kirkburn|afkI mean, at the end of classic WoW I had some tier 0 and a bit of tier 0.5. At the end of TBC I had greens and blues and got bored. Midway thru Wrath I'm in epics and having great fun.
00:39.38Kirkburn|afk(I calculated a few months ago how much I've given Blizz over the past four years. Never again ;)
00:40.15KeofoxHeh.
00:51.38Kirkburn|afkG'night all, have a great day/evening/night
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03:37.30BagginswI finally got the chance to send an email in defense of Adys... I've been busy and haven't had a chance to get around to it...
03:37.41Bagginswnot defending adys behaviour
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03:40.54Bagginswbut just the fact that the way ended wasn't fair
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04:30.32KeolahLast night I was dreaming about a 100-slot bag.
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05:06.46GnarfozBagginsw: what about Adys?
05:07.10Bagginswhe was demoted a month or two back
05:07.48Bagginswafter him and another admin got into a fight
05:07.56Bagginswthat's about all needs to be mentioned
05:08.28Gnarfozsilly
05:08.46Gnarfozand reminds me of teh wowhead drama back then, too, which was also silly :P
05:10.09Bagginswwowhead?
05:12.17GnarfozBagginsw: http://www.wowhead.com/?user=Adys
05:12.32Gnarfoznote the slight discrepancy between the profile text and the account status *cough*
05:41.31Bagginswwhat did he do to get banned?
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08:52.57VysogotaI got a question about item categories.
08:53.07VysogotaNot sure if I did it right.
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08:54.34VysogotaIf we have www.wowwiki.com/Category:World_of_Warcraft_bows, shouldn't we have crossbows as well?
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08:55.17Vysogota(and rare crossbows, epic crossbows etc., similarly to bows)
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12:24.57g0urraKirkburn: T minus what to forum release?
12:32.03g0urraKirkburn I know you're theeeere
12:32.07Kirkburn:O
12:32.31KirkburnHmm, well, no-one objected so far :)
12:32.59g0urrak change sitewide message then
12:34.11KirkburnI think we need to work out what we do with the VP and WP first
12:34.43g0urraconvert the threads that are there to forum threads
12:36.03KirkburnThe interesting and active stuff, yeah
12:36.58winkillerforumlol?
12:40.59pcjwe need Forum:Rolandius too apparently
12:41.03Kirkburn:O
12:41.16g0urraugh, WW:WP doesn't really have anything interesting
12:41.26pcjstaying up to date on him is really becoming a chore
12:42.30g0urraKirkburn if you don't mind I'll move some topics from VP to WoW forums
12:42.51KirkburnGo ahead, I've moved one about the Xfire browser.
12:43.09g0urrayou sly one
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13:04.20g0urraKirkburn: wiee forums
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13:43.04Kirkburnkd3, regarding the old world maps: "Some of the maps (like Darkshore) look like they got completely redone (I'm seeing new textures for all of the map files)" ... did that go through?
13:47.52mxsKirkburn: the flightmaps at least changed
13:52.09KirkburnThere's certainly a lot of map files in the MPQs, but no idea if that's just because of a format change
13:52.22KirkburnThe notes did mention optimizations of the minimap
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14:02.03Fisker-hey Kirkburn
14:02.04Fisker-i hate you
14:02.05Fisker-baw
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14:09.37pcjkirkburn you can't switch over from the village pump until you announce the winners
14:09.54pcj"The winners will be listed online at http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Village_pump within approximately ten (10) days following the end of the Promotion Period."
14:09.56winkillereveryone's a winner babe
14:11.56KirkburnSwitched it, thanks
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14:22.51g0urrabuuuy t-shiiirts, buuuy t-shiiirts, buuuy t-shiiirts
14:24.56KirkburnMy god, the Village pump is starting to save in a reasonable amount of time
14:25.34pcjwho in their right mind would want a wowhead t-shirt? be honest
14:26.12g0urrayour mom would
14:26.34pcjwooo star trek tonight
14:27.17pcjhttp://www.piercedglasses.com/.
14:29.05pcjhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLByTnNwico
14:29.18winkillerI don't even have a wow shirt
14:29.29winkillerjust Firefox, Debian and elsa
14:30.02g0urraI have L70ETC, WWI80, For The Horde and Death Knight
14:30.10g0urraWWI08*
14:30.54WardHI have a Delphi shirt
14:30.57WardHhow geek is that
14:31.04winkillerugh
14:31.09Fisker-g0urra
14:31.11Fisker-we must save DNF
14:31.13Fisker-go!
14:31.15g0urraDNF?
14:31.16winkillerI just have a php sticker on my laptop :|
14:31.22winkillerWardH is so elite
14:31.23Fisker-Duke Nukem Forever
14:31.25g0urra...
14:31.40WardHit's an old school Borland Delphi shirt
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14:40.09Kirkburn|afkEnjoy the forums, I'm off for a much needed haircut
14:40.48pcjvery much needed
14:40.56Kirkburn|afk:)
14:43.30pcjhttp://www.theonion.com/content/video/trekkies_bash_new_star_trek_film?utm_source=a-section
14:49.24pcjhttp://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1933929820
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16:05.05Kirkburn|afkpcj, that's .... weird
16:05.14pcjwhat
16:05.47Kirkburn|afkThe Shatner book :)
16:06.11Fisker-goodbye, cruel world!
16:06.37pcjah
16:06.47GnarfozFisker-: gtfo
16:07.07Kirkburn|afkpcj, so what did you think of my platformer idea? :)
16:07.16Fisker-fu Gnarfoz
16:07.27Fisker-life aint worth living if you can't bet on duke
16:07.43Gnarfozwell, hence, gtfo
16:07.45pcjkirkburn: Molten Core would be more fun
16:08.11Kirkburn|afkIt would have to be multiplayer
16:08.18Kirkburn|afkBut I could see that working :P
16:08.53g0urralet's make a WoW MMORPG at the time of war of the ancients
16:09.05g0urranight elves, tauren, earthen and azotha
16:09.24g0urramaybe troll
16:10.07Kirkburn|afkI'd love an MMO of it, but I'm not sure it could survive having a definite start and end - more like an FPS campaign perhaps?
16:11.26g0urranight elves vs the world
16:11.35g0urrawith troll and qiraji enemies
16:13.41g0urra.. this ret pala has 4/5 conviction
16:14.21Kirkburn|afkSo?
16:14.26g0urraand 10 points in holy
16:14.29g0urrahe's level 71
16:15.42Kirkburn|afkI'm sure I should be shocked for some reason, but I don't know why
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16:17.08pcjhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Multiboxing_software#PwnBoxer anyone see this section
16:17.19Fisker-i don't see it
16:18.02pcji hate you fisker
16:18.17Kirkburn|afkI 'see' it?
16:18.37pcjis there a section called "PwnBoxer"
16:22.34sacarascThere is/
16:22.35sacarasc*.
16:22.40Fisker-i love you pcj
16:22.49pcjok thanks
16:23.42pcjoh u g0urra
16:23.49pcjhow dare you remove unsourced speculation
16:23.53g0urraoh u pcj
16:24.06pcjthat was fun beating it over rolandius's head last night btw
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16:29.20BagginswI apologize for adding Battlemaster of the Ancients to the titan page... But that's no reason for gourra to get surly with me, and not be polite
16:29.33Bagginswassume good faith please
16:29.43Bagginswdiscuss things civilily
16:30.06Bagginswmore than likely I will admit where I was wrong
16:30.12Bagginswand things can be fixed
16:30.22Bagginswquite accusing me of being like Rolandius
16:30.31BagginswI won't spent 20 pages of argueing
16:30.41Bagginsw*spend
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16:37.46Bagginswthe thing about a war of the ancients expansion if it was even possible to work in the mmo, probably wouldn't be set at the beginning or the end but somwhere in the middle. Allow you access to barious battles throughout the continent. If you saw an end it would have to seen in an instanced situation probalby after you fight through the ultimate dungeon in the expansion. Queen Azshara's palace?
16:40.42Bagginswanycase what's funny is its now seems every time one admin gets mad at another the catch phrase is, "you sound like Rolandius'....
16:40.57BagginswI've seen fandy make that accuastion to others
16:41.09Bagginswthrown around at pcj, adys, and who knows who else
16:41.17Bagginswgourra throws it aroudn...
16:41.39Bagginswpersonally I'd just suggest avoiding taking Rolandiu's name in vain, it just empowers him
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18:15.15g0urrahttp://www.wowwiki.com/Snobold
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18:57.12Kirkburn|afkGlad to see the forums seem to be working pretty well
19:01.41KeolahThis is a silly question but, can you enchant fishing poles?
19:02.24sacarascWith fishing line and lures, no enchants from enchanting, though.
19:02.36g0urrahttp://www.wowwiki.com/Fishing_pole
19:02.38KeolahK, just wondering.
19:02.43g0urra"Fishing poles will not accept weapon enchantments; they will only accept fishing enchantments, such as fishing lines and lures, but these help the melee use of the pole."
19:02.48KeolahMe and my bf were speculating that someone, somewhere, pvps in fishing gear. :P
19:04.24Keolah(With how many people play WoW, we figure that no matter what bizarre thing we can think of, someone, somewhere has probably done it.)
19:08.53pcjwell
19:09.25pcjpeople are calling [[Crafty's Pole]] a twink item
19:09.40pcjhttp://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=43651
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19:10.59kd3sweet, a new google ad email to blacklist
19:11.00Kirkburn|afkHeh, that's great - I completely missed hearing about that
19:11.06kd3www.withgames.com
19:11.18kd3s/email/url/
19:11.27pcjslaps Dotoff
19:11.54Kirkburn|afkg0urra, btw, I didn't realise why you linked Snobold - nice work!
19:16.32Kirkburn|afkWow, amazing how this table design managed to last so long: http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Starting_area&oldid=1877255
19:17.44g0urrait looked pretty :(
19:18.04Kirkburn|afk2006 pretty
19:18.26Kirkburn|afkThough nothing beats http://www.wowwiki.com/Northrend_gems_table
19:18.46Kirkburn|afkThough, as lurid as that table is, I couldn't improve on it
19:19.00Kirkburn|afkWe have a dark skin, which limits us for colours
19:19.14Kirkburn|afkAnd it shows everything it needs to, very efficiently
19:23.08g0urraKirkburn|afk: http://www.wowwiki.com/Starting_area
19:23.09g0urra:p
19:28.14Kirkburn|afkAnd now done with CSS
19:29.00Kirkburn|afkhttp://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Starting_area&oldid=1882071&usetheme=sapphire --> http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Starting_area&usetheme=sapphire
19:29.51g0urrameh.
19:30.00g0urrawho uses sapphire anyway
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19:35.37Kirkburn|afkApplies to monobook too
19:35.45Kirkburn|afkFuture proofing :)
19:39.57foxlitThose url args do nothing if you're using wowwiki to begin with, right?
19:40.07Kirkburn|afkTrue
19:40.34Kirkburn|afkuseskin > usetheme
19:41.26foxlitAnd your css tweaks were mostly about the cell backgrounds?
19:41.56Kirkburn|afkaye
19:42.45Kirkburn|afkhttp://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Starting_area&oldid=1882071&useskin=monobook --> http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Starting_area&useskin=monobook
19:42.50foxlitYou could play with increasing intensity
19:43.14foxlit(and probably saturation further)
19:43.16Kirkburn|afkyou mean LIKE THIS!!?
19:43.33Kirkburn|afki am inCREASING MY INTENSITY!!!
19:43.47Kirkburn|afkI know, terrible
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19:44.33foxlitThe dark version is relatively unsaturated not to cause a bright colored mess in the middle of the page
19:44.45masterkillerhey anyone know what the gauntlet group composition should be for 25man? 1 tank, 3 healers, 5 dps?
19:45.00foxlitAgainst a light background, I wouldn't mind seeing a bit more color and a bit less gray
19:45.13foxlit(so lighter but more saturated)
19:45.41Kirkburn|afkfoxlit, yeah, I need to look at that CSS again, I'm not entirely happy with it (used a lot on the portals too)
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19:47.05foxlithttp://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Portal:Interface_customization&useskin=monobook
19:47.18foxlitblue+purple on green == meh.
19:47.36foxlitSo yeah, you're right :)
19:49.56Kirkburn|afkWhen I first did them I was just aiming for readability, never got around to pefecting the colours
19:50.24Kirkburn|afkor *perfecting
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19:54.20Kirkburn|afkBtw, if you didn't see, there are WW:F and WW:FORUM redirects
20:01.47pcjyay
20:04.27g0urrayay
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20:10.35OseEvening gents
20:11.30pcjuh huh
20:12.15Oseno u pcj
20:27.01Kirkburn|afkkd3, I see you spotted my, uh, deliberate mistake
20:27.10Kirkburn|afkEvenin' Ose
20:27.47Oseheh, you're still here?
20:28.07Kirkburn|afkOf course, I spent the day working on our forums, our beautiful new forums
20:42.19Kirkburn|afkMikk's response to seeing his village pump image on the forums: "beh i need to make a better pump"
20:42.30g0urralol
20:43.44Kirkburn|afk:)
20:45.02Osetime to do the last (boring) dailies of the day
21:02.00KeolahBut dailies are fun!
21:02.57Osenot the valiant/champion ones
21:03.05Ose(lancing)
21:03.21Osewhat's the word again? jousting?
21:03.32Osethat looks silly...
21:05.42g0urraOse: you rather have it called "dysting"?
21:05.51Fisker-g0urra
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21:06.08Osegets in the mechanostrider
21:06.08Fisker-no
21:06.09Fisker-flood
21:06.20Fisker->:3's
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21:08.08OseKirkburn?
21:08.24Kirkburn|afkmmm?
21:08.35Ose"The <nowiki> extension has been deprecated by new built-in image links."
21:08.42Osesay whut?
21:09.23Oseperhaps you meant another <tag>?
21:09.37Kirkburn|afkEr
21:10.09Kirkburn|afkNo idea what you're talking about *whistle*
21:10.38Oseeither that or we're supposed to make a random image link to a random page every time we want to display wikicode on a page...
21:10.53Kirkburn|afkIn other words, fix'd
21:11.44Oseargh, why does people vote for mr. homicidal crazy king?
21:12.00Ose( http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Forum:Who_is_your_favourite_faction_leader_and_why%3F )
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21:24.04Osehttp://eu.wowarmory.com/guild-info.xml?r=Sylvanas&n=%C3%86%C3%9F%C3%86%C3%86%C3%9F%C3%86%C3%86%C3%9F%C3%86%C3%86%C3%9F%C3%86%C3%86%C3%9F%C3%86%C3%86%C3%9F%C3%86%C3%86%C3%9F%C3%86%C3%86%C3%9F%C3%86&p=1 agh
21:27.57GnarfozI approve
21:35.21foxlitHm, I demand to see instance loot sorted by role
21:41.24pcjfoxlit: http://www.wowwiki.com/Wrath_tanking_equipment_(warrior) ?
21:42.13foxlitThat could work.
21:42.22foxlitThough I was thinking more of a per-instance "what drops here for me" page
21:44.10pcjhmm
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