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04:56.41Charitwoway to go pcj you pissed on fandylick
04:56.46Charitwooff
04:57.20pcjhah
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07:31.30Adyspisses on pcj
07:31.42pcjI AM NOT A PEON
07:34.09sacaraschahaha
07:35.14Fisker-pisses on pcj
07:35.22Fisker-hey gOurra my friend
07:37.23sacarascgOurra seems to be not talking as much as he used to :(
07:40.24Adyshttp://www.xkcd.com/528/
07:41.10sacarascold
07:49.21Fisker-i lol'd btw Adys
07:49.28Fisker-I opened a post to have free discussion on Blizzard helping of the priest class, or if I had missed posts and updates where priests would be buffed.  Adys found this non-harmful post offensive and banned me.  Shouldn't someone regulate his power trips?
07:49.29Fisker-;_;
07:50.15Adyswhere?
07:50.49Fisker-Should've gotten it in your mail :D
07:50.57Fisker-The priest thread you locked or whatever
07:51.03Adysoh yeah
07:52.19AdysIm tempted to mail him telling him "your mom is power-hungry"
07:52.29Adysbut i cba and I got work to do
07:52.30Adysafk
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16:31.05syberghosthttp://www.wowwiki.com/Quest:A_Magnanimous_Benefactor  <- does this page looked messed-up to anybody else?
16:33.23pcjno
16:35.09syberghostFor me, it's got a bunch of text that looks like it belongs on the bottom overlaying text near the top.
16:35.21syberghostFirefox 3 in Windows.
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16:37.25g0urrado you see ads?
16:39.31syberghostno
16:40.02syberghostThe text that's out of place is "featured wikis" with a list of wikis.
16:40.15syberghostdiablo, dallhouse, dragon ball, gears of war, etc.
16:40.26peters-txwowwiki totally saved my butt yesterday.  I had this quest for a few weeks and just yesterday looked at it.  It said go to Death's Rise, etc.  I was like "where the hell is Death's Rise".  wiki ftw!
16:40.29syberghostUnder it is also misplaced "about wikia, contact wikia" etc.
16:40.40g0urrapeters-tx: you're welcome
16:43.16Gnarfozalso, wowhead yay
16:43.25g0urrashhhhh
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17:06.22Ose{{tooltip}}
17:06.58Osegrrdotted
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17:10.57Elvaronpcj are you around by any chance?
17:11.15Elvaron<- would feel rude by messaging some stranger without introduction
17:11.40Osehehe
17:11.58Ose~pcj
17:11.59infobotwell, pcj is a cheating bastard
17:12.03pcjWHO DARES SUMMON ME
17:12.07Charitwopcj
17:12.08Oselol raeni
17:12.17Elvaron<- i dare
17:12.26winkillerpcj can take it
17:12.32Elvaronalas, i dont think i did the summoning itself
17:12.53Raenihey damn
17:13.05Raenistupid infobot
17:13.10pcj~forget pcj
17:13.11infobotpcj: i forgot pcj
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17:13.15pcjdamn straight
17:13.18Raenigood!
17:13.43Elvaronso, pcj...
17:13.47Elvaronyou got some time?
17:13.53pcjuh...why
17:13.58Osehe wants privite chat
17:14.03Elvaroncause it might take more than a second
17:14.11pcjwhat is "it"
17:14.15Osethat's what she said
17:14.46Elvaroni'd like you to explain, in a very short way (i dont want to waste your time), how you created http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Tooltip
17:15.08pcjWell, it's quite simple
17:15.10pcjI didn't create it
17:15.12Elvaronsince i'm trying to get a tooltip thing working on my wikia, but ... well, i'm dumb when it comes to combining js with wikia
17:15.20pcjI created the JS hover tooltip
17:15.23pcjNot the template
17:15.30Elvaronok
17:15.35Elvaronthe JS hover tooltip is what i need
17:15.38pcjOh
17:15.41Elvaroni dont care for the template
17:15.46pcjYeah, template is meh
17:16.07Oseyou should turn the JS into an extension staff could simply install for people who needed it :P
17:16.10Elvaroni've got js code for a toolbox, but i'm too much of a wiki-noob to handle the event crap
17:16.33pcjyou need to make it so it runs on the page load
17:16.50pcjmy code is at http://wowwiki.com/MediaWiki:Tooltips.js
17:17.00pcjif you have specific questions feel free
17:18.00Elvaronif (wgUserName == "Pcj") { <- ?
17:18.08pcjerror handling
17:18.19pcjbecause it doesn't load user settings before the common ones
17:18.31pcjso you can't check for a variable per-user
17:18.40pcjso it only shows errors for me
17:18.49Elvaronookay
17:18.56Elvaronso besides copy paste, what would i have to change?
17:19.17Elvaron(i know that was in-your-face...)
17:19.21pcj...well i don't know your implementation
17:19.32pcjbut generally anything that references wowwiki.com
17:19.36pcjor wow-specific links
17:19.50pcjand you can probably cut back on the iterations of tip handling
17:19.57pcjsince i have a few regexes processing data
17:20.22Elvaronuh-huh
17:20.30Elvaroncould you dumb it down a little bit
17:20.53Elvaronso far i've only got, and it's a shame i know, http://dissidia.wikia.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js
17:20.53pcjum
17:21.01Ose[18:16]<Ose>you should turn the JS into an extension staff could simply install for people who needed it :P
17:21.15Ose:D
17:21.30pcjok so how are those functions being called
17:21.43Elvaronright now?
17:21.49Elvaronnot...
17:21.49pcjyes
17:21.57Elvaronwhich is kinda the problem
17:22.07Elvaronsince onmouseover doesnt work -.-
17:22.10pcjok so you need to write a function which adds itself to the mediawiki onloadhook
17:22.26pcjwhich runs through all the page elements and identifies which ones to bind to
17:23.17Elvaronsooo.... cutting out anything that references wowwiki.com or wow-specific links, right? :P
17:23.30pcjmy function which does that is ttMouseOver()
17:23.49pcjyeah you can do that
17:24.23Elvaronokay i assume i dont need elink
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17:24.45Elvaronor switchTab
17:24.59pcjright
17:25.19Elvaronwhat is switchTab anyways?
17:25.36Elvaronor doPortals(), for that matter
17:25.56pcjmain page portal switching
17:26.12pcjand remove the preferences stuff
17:26.26Elvaroni can probably also toss AJAX stuff
17:26.35Elvaronwhats scttMouseOver?
17:26.42pcjsubcategory tooltips
17:26.51pcjidentifies if there are pages or categories in a category
17:26.59Elvaronuh huh
17:27.00Elvaron*toss*
17:28.36ElvaronAJAX RC?
17:29.23Elvaronfp2fp? drawLine? showTemplateTip?
17:29.25Osecheck out wowwiki's recent changes
17:29.38Osehe made an ajax thingy for it
17:29.45pcjyeah it automatically refreshes the rc
17:30.03pcjthe other stuff you can get rid of
17:30.09Osethe one on my global.js stopped working :/
17:31.03pcj(you can get rid of the RC stuff too)
17:31.07Elvaronwhat about the new* lines
17:31.11Elvaroni figured as much^^
17:31.20pcjwhat new lines
17:31.53ElvaronnewListEntry
17:32.04Elvaronlike 40 lines of those
17:32.23pcjyeah you can get rid of everything between // adds options to Special:Preferences
17:32.25pcjand
17:32.35pcj// core variables
17:33.11Elvaronwhere does the first one start :)
17:33.14Elvaronalready deleted that
17:33.17pcjfirst what
17:33.23Elvaron"special:preferences"
17:34.05Elvaronhandleerror, old loader, settext, gettip, findunusedprefpaneid, those newline things, then comes core variables
17:34.26pcjcool
17:34.38Elvaron?
17:35.32pcjwhat
17:35.55Osehttp://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/wowwiki/images/thumb/c/c0/Ttbackground.svg/275px-Ttbackground.svg.png is the background image right?
17:36.12pcjyes
17:36.30Elvaronother way round: what do i actually need?
17:36.42Elvaroncore variables, ...
17:36.42pcjwhat do you need for what
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17:36.48pcjagain i do not know your implementation
17:36.58Elvaronimplementation?
17:36.59pcjor what it requires
17:37.10pcjwhat data are you trying to display
17:37.34Elvaroni just want a box of text entered via template to display when hovering some id-able element (link, div, whatever)
17:37.56Adyshi suckers!
17:38.04AdysI got an updated layout™!
17:38.06pcjso do you want any AJAX processing or is the data on the same page?
17:38.13Adyshey pcj
17:38.20Adystouche my doublequotes~
17:38.22Elvaronthe data is entered via template aswell
17:38.37Elvaronif thats possible -.-
17:38.37pcjon the same page?
17:38.59pcjwhat do you mean layout adys
17:39.02Elvaronin the template call, how the call is gonna be processed depends on what i make of what you do
17:39.11Elvaron*did
17:39.48pcjok do you want the data the template calls and displays in the tooltip to be retrieved from another page or is the data contained in the template call on the same page
17:40.08Elvaronit's actually a pretty basic thing: pre-defined design for the textbox, a template with {{toolbox|text to be hovered upon|text to be displayed in toolbox}}
17:40.20pcjok
17:40.24pcjthat's very easy
17:40.28Elvaronfor you
17:40.30pcjlet me write up your JS real quick
17:40.37Elvaron*bows down*
17:40.37pcjit's actually in there
17:40.53Elvaroni know, but if you dont know the code things get ugly
17:41.02Adyspcj: http://devcub.com/~adys/devrix1.3.png
17:41.03Elvaronor time-intensive
17:41.18AdysKalroth: *unzips*
17:41.34pcjwhy so abridged left shift key adys
17:41.50Adysbecause unlike american tards
17:41.52AdysI got <>
17:41.58Adyswhich is an awesome key to have up there
17:42.11Adys(with that said Id pay well to get a smaller right shift key)
17:42.17Adys(I'd love one key more)
17:42.23pcjhey adys
17:42.25pcjwhere's the any key
17:42.29Adys*
17:43.02Adyspcj: why havent you still made a joke on me wanting a smaller one, because i'd love a new one?
17:43.10Adysand one more!
17:44.55Elvaron*yawn*
17:45.07Elvarondamn japanese time zone
17:52.00Osepcj: what does "if (wgServer == "http://www.wowwiki.com") ..." do?
17:52.16pcjattempts to prevent XSS
17:52.27pcjand/or hotlinking
17:52.53syberghostI'm back.  You can probably ignore my problem with the page; I believe it's due to one of the many malware/adware scripts I'm blocking.
17:53.10Osewhy is the js page named tooltips when it contains many other styles as well
17:53.12Ose?
17:53.32Osestyles --> functions or hatever
17:54.05pcjmost of them relate to tooltips or AJAX
17:55.21Osecan I remove all the specific type tooltips code? (item/npc/achievement/etc)?
17:55.59Osealthough the sub-category thing is cool
17:58.01pcj...
17:58.04pcjyou can remove it
17:58.08pcji don't know your implementation
17:58.32Elvaronose is copying it, too?
17:58.34Osewell I think one style of tooltips is enough to begin with
17:58.36Oseyeah
17:58.47pcjElvaron: http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Pcj/simple.js
17:58.54pcji probably missed some crucial thing
17:58.55Elvaronooh
17:58.57pcjbut check out that
17:59.10pcjand referencehttp://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Quicktooltip
17:59.12pcjerr
17:59.13pcjhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Quicktooltip
17:59.13ElvarongetDBS?
18:00.07pcjin that template change class="tttemplatelink" to class="ttlink"
18:01.21Elvaronin the div
18:01.41Elvaron+ ttBgStyle + ?
18:01.42Elvaronhuh?
18:01.48Elvaronshould i know that var?
18:01.57pcjits at the top
18:02.22pcji commented out the wowwiki bit there but left it
18:02.31pcjbecause you might want to copy over the background image
18:02.49Elvaronuh huh
18:03.01Elvaronah understood
18:03.11Elvaroni deleted that commented line and then didnt unterstand the var
18:03.11Elvaron*slapface*
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18:04.14Elvaronis there like... a part below "text entered here" ?
18:04.59pcjwhat
18:05.10Elvaronoh wait its in the template not the js
18:05.11Elvaronnvm
18:05.25Elvaronor is it?
18:05.46Elvaronwell, what if i want to have like <center></center> around the text entered?
18:05.57Elvarontags before and after the insertion
18:06.03pcjyou can put that in the JS
18:06.07pcjbut center is deprecated
18:06.44Elvaroncouldnt i just as easily put it around the {{{2}}} in the <span style="display:none">{{{2}}}</span>`?
18:06.58pcjyes
18:07.11Elvaron^^
18:09.49Elvaronhmm
18:10.45Elvarondid i miss something -.-
18:11.09pcjwhat
18:11.35Elvaronfor example you said ttlink instead of tttemplatelink
18:11.47Elvaronbut your code looks for simpletfb and tttc
18:12.27pcjsimpletfb is the floating hover tooltip
18:12.45Elvaronand tttc?
18:12.54pcjtttc + i is the assigned id for all identified divs
18:13.12Elvaronwhich are how identified?
18:13.27pcjthrough the loop near the end
18:13.34Elvaronah
18:13.49Elvaronin that case i wonder why it doesnt work
18:14.07pcjwhat is it saying
18:14.15Elvaronnothing
18:14.16pcjdid you cache refresh
18:14.32Elvaronnothings happening
18:14.32Elvaronyeah
18:15.23pcjcool
18:16.38Osebtw, where are you installing the code elvaron?
18:16.49Elvaronhttp://dissidia.wikia.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js
18:17.32Elvaronor, more relative, MediaWiki:Common.js ^^
18:18.04Elvaronit only displays {{{1}}} of the template, if i use a line break in {{{2}}} it also displays everything after the line break... apart from that, no effect
18:18.24Elvaronwhich is kinda cool cause i havent seen a template get confused by linebreaks
18:18.32Elvaronbefore
18:20.04Osetemplates do recognise one linebreak, but mediawiki only parses it as a space (if i'm not mistaken)
18:20.11Oseeh
18:20.15Osespace-ish thing
18:20.46Elvaron?
18:21.02Elvaronall my templates so far were quite compatible with multi-line parameters
18:21.19Elvaronbesides this one...
18:22.44Elvaronpcj: the js should also work with div right?
18:22.44Elvaronpcj_2: the js should also work with div right?
18:22.47Elvaronwoops
18:23.22pcjim looking
18:23.32Elvaronas long as i change this one line to var Spans = document.getElementsByTagName("div");
18:23.42Elvaron(said "span" before)
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18:25.05Elvaronappearently div has no probs with the linebreak
18:25.23Elvaroni still dont get a toolbox tho
18:26.17Elvaronquestion
18:26.23Elvaronwhere is the code that links mouseover to the div?
18:26.28Elvaron(or span as it was)
18:27.20pcjyeah elvaron
18:27.26pcjthe JS hasn't made it through wikia's cache yet
18:27.50pcjah
18:27.53pcji see the problem
18:27.54Elvaron^^
18:28.03Elvaronwhich is?
18:28.36pcjadd to the top of the JS:
18:28.39pcjvar contentstart;
18:28.49pcjthen add:
18:28.51pcjcontentstart = document.getElementById("bodyContent");
18:29.00pcjas the first line in performTooltips()
18:29.36Elvaronwhat about document.onmousemove = mouseMove;
18:29.45Elvaronor function mouseMove(ev)
18:31.13Elvaronactually i dont see a single mouseover or similar in the simple js -.-
18:31.24Elvaronshouldnt there be like a trigger/event for the tooltip to appear
18:31.49pcjSpans[i].onmouseover = showTemplateTip.bind(Spans[i],i);
18:31.49pcjSpans[i].onmouseout = hideTip;
18:31.49pcjSpans[i].onmousemove = moveTip;
18:31.54pcjwhoa
18:31.58Elvaronoooh
18:32.02Elvaronsorry
18:32.50Elvaronforeign code^^
18:33.10Osepcj what do you work with?
18:33.15OseIRL that is
18:33.31pcji sell computers to the government
18:33.38Oseo.O
18:33.50Elvaronwhich government :)
18:33.54Adysand I buy computers from pcj
18:34.08Elvaronbtw, still not working, but i assume it takes some time to get throught the cycle?
18:34.14Elvaron.t
18:34.22Elvaronargh -t ... shouldnt type in the dark
18:34.48Osehas backlit keys :P
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18:35.12Elvaroni do, too... but at my computer keyboard
18:35.14Adyshas a room with electricity, and lamps.
18:35.22Elvaronwhich is currently on a different continent
18:35.37Elvaronit's 3:30 a.m. here, i'm actually trying to sleep soon^^
18:37.02Elvaronhow long should it take for the js to be working after the change? didnt know wikia caches that long...
18:37.11AmarandeElvaron: the government of Adysia, apparently. :)
18:37.12pcjit sometimes sucks
18:37.45Elvaroni didnt know Adysia had a government... always thought only developed countries get to have governments....
18:38.22AdysIm so fat that Im a country by myself
18:38.43Elvaroni didn't need to know
18:38.54Elvaronanyhow, i declare war on your people
18:38.56Adysneed you know any more, I'm pcj's more
18:39.07Adyss/s more/s mom/
18:39.35Elvaronthat is... irritating at best
18:40.41pcjelvaron add the function at http://dissidia.wikia.com/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Common.js
18:41.59Elvaroni did
18:42.39Elvaronshould that change anything?
18:44.53pcjhah
18:44.56pcjlets see
18:45.03winkillerWTF http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj156/absolmorph/desktopscrnsht.jpg
18:45.33pcjok another one elvaron
18:45.51pcjwtf indeed
18:45.51Osewinkiller: ?
18:45.55pcjwho uses yahoo messenger
18:46.14winkillerwho would post such a mess into a "show yer screenie" thread?
18:46.27pcj...someone honest?
18:46.27Oseand who plays maplesotry anyway?
18:46.48Osemine looks even worse
18:46.55Osebut then again I don't use it
18:47.43Elvarondone, pcj
18:48.04pcjhod
18:48.05pcjgod*
18:48.10pcjone of these days ill get them all in tehre
18:48.38Elvaronforgot another one?^^
18:48.38Osepcj: once he is done, save the code he has made somewehre for the next time soemoen want to use it elsewhere :P
18:49.48pcjok again elvaron
18:50.12Elvaron----
18:50.21Elvaroni DID ask about those lines like 10 minutes ago didnt i? :P
18:50.40Elvaron^^
18:52.12Elvaroni still dont even know how he knows whats missing, since i dont get a js error or anything
18:52.21pcjerm
18:52.35pcjadd windowResize(); after the function
18:53.05Elvaronafter which function
18:53.23Elvaronitself?
18:53.28pcjyes
18:53.32Elvaronk
18:55.39Elvaronmozillas error console shows couple of WinSize null errors
18:56.19pcjyes clear the console and cache refresh
18:57.34Elvaronsome css errors and some google stuff error-wise
18:57.51syberghostautoinsult?  Can't you come up with your own insults?
18:57.54Elvaronnothing from js
18:59.54pcjit should work but is not putting anything in the floating div
19:00.59Elvaronis it because its both creating divs and reading divs?
19:01.08pcjno
19:01.18Elvaronbut...?
19:01.30pcj<div style="display: none; position: absolute; visibility: visible; z-index: 999; top: 101px; left: 236px;" id="simpletfb"></div>
19:01.35pcjits creating the div fine
19:01.38pcjhmm
19:04.38Elvaronsays <div style="display:none;">Character: <a href="/wiki/Garland" title="Garland">Garland</a>
19:04.41Elvaronin my source code window
19:05.03Elvaron(closing tag comes later didnt want to flood)
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19:09.21Elvaronmaybe forgot something crucial?
19:10.08pcjim going through the code in a simpler page
19:10.28Elvaron^^
19:12.13Elvaronif you find something can u write it on the talk page of the common.js? it's past 4a.m. i'm literally falling asleep here
19:12.35Elvarondamn japan's timezone, it always messes me up
19:13.38pcjok found the problem
19:13.38Elvaronand thx^^
19:13.43Elvaronhuh
19:13.51pcjremove the line
19:13.51pcjdocument.body.onmouseover = hideTip;
19:14.36syberghostIt's always past 4am.  Except for right at 4am.
19:14.52Elvaronyaay
19:15.19Elvaronheh div is kinda huge
19:15.29Elvaronshouldnt be a problem for tables though
19:15.37pcjok
19:15.40pcjthere you go then
19:15.45Elvaronthx a lot^^
19:16.33Elvarontomorrow i'll do layout etc with that^^ thx
19:18.42Ose<PROTECTED>
19:29.09pcjyes
19:30.32Osegreat
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19:41.10Oseuh...
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19:41.23Osepcj, what was the {{{2}}} part for?
19:41.31pcjwhat
19:41.35Ose<div style="display:none;">{{{2}}}</div>
19:41.46pcjthat's what floats in the hover tooltip
19:41.51Oseaha
19:42.59Osepcj: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Template_talk:Hover no R work
19:43.15pcjworks for me
19:44.06Osedoes another cache refresh
19:44.35Oseonly shows a black rectangle hovering in the m,iddle of the page
19:45.13Osesame in monobook, so that's not the issue
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19:45.37Oseis the problem that both the bg and the test is black?
19:45.46Oses/test/text/
19:46.55pcjwell you need to play with the style yes
19:47.57Osewhat about it hovering so far to the right?
19:48.20Oseabout as far as the R in Hover (page name)
19:48.20pcjyou can adjust that in movetip
19:49.29Oseregarding the style, do I do that in a css class?
19:50.40pcjit's advanced functionality
19:50.47pcjif you can't figure it out it's not for you
19:51.25pcjyou can adjust the style however you wish
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19:52.21Ose.ttlink { style } ?
19:52.42pcj...no
19:53.11Ose:/
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21:10.27matthello
21:11.25mattare forums down for you guys?
21:13.58pcjyes
21:14.01pcjand in-game auth
21:17.37pcjglad i could help
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