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| 01:57.13 | ec0jud | what's up |
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| 03:37.09 | Bagginsww | honestly... imo they should at least throw in a free month for buying the expansion and upgrading :p |
| 03:37.28 | Bagginsww | other games do :p |
| 03:40.49 | Raeni | ./signed |
| 03:41.12 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 03:41.34 | Bagginsww | not that I'll actually be able to play the game... stupid real life |
| 03:41.52 | Bagginsww | didn't even have time to play over christmas |
| 03:42.03 | Bagginsww | so no racing car thing for me |
| 03:43.42 | Bagginsww | I even had to miss out on zombie events before wrath :p |
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| 08:28.21 | sacarasc | greetings |
| 08:29.07 | Gazimoff | Anyone here use Wowmodelviewer? |
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| 14:02.04 | harl | As of now, a druid's Nurturing Instinct seems to not increase the healing effect of Improved Leader of the Pack in neither cat nor bear form at all, by neither the 10/20% of the 4% healing of ILotP nor the 35/70% of the druid's agilty (nor a fraction of it). |
| 14:02.54 | harl | It does though apply both, the 10/20% of a healing spell as well as the 35/70% of agility to a druid's own healing over time in cat and bear form. |
| 14:04.16 | harl | e.g. making it pretty effective in respects of not actually being a healer, especially to take some healing burden from another healer in battle. |
| 14:05.31 | harl | I think someone should revise the according article a bit. |
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| 14:13.06 | selckin | i vote yo |
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| 14:18.07 | syberghost | I second the motion. All in favor? |
| 14:18.15 | Tuqui-tuqui | hear hear! |
| 14:18.32 | syberghost | opposed? |
| 14:18.57 | syberghost | motion carried. Get editing, harl. |
| 14:19.18 | Tuqui-tuqui | \o/ |
| 14:19.24 | Tuqui-tuqui | democracy wins once again! |
| 14:21.36 | sacarasc | unlike in america |
| 14:22.09 | syberghost | The chair has not recognized sacarasc. Sergeant at arms, please kick this nut in the butt. |
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| 15:59.44 | Sycamore | So eh, wikia eh? |
| 16:00.31 | pcj | whats that all aboot |
| 16:01.02 | Sycamore | Thats what I'm wanting to know:) |
| 16:01.13 | pcj | cool |
| 16:01.46 | Sycamore | I hear you guys are in a similar boat with them? |
| 16:02.02 | pcj | similar boat? |
| 16:02.14 | sacarasc | the one with woodworm |
| 16:02.22 | pcj | who's that |
| 16:02.24 | Sycamore | quite |
| 16:03.33 | Sycamore | I can normally be found here, http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/User:Sycamore |
| 16:03.56 | Sycamore | But I'd thought I'd see how the other wikis are doing |
| 16:04.58 | Tuqui-tuqui | thats a lot of lights |
| 16:06.14 | pcj | well you're the second uncyclopedia person to come to us today |
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| 16:07.34 | Sycamore | Really, hope he was nice |
| 16:09.56 | pcj | You guys working on a Foundation? |
| 16:11.37 | Sycamore | We are to my knowledge discussing a number of options - one of them might be that. I don't think anything has been decided as yet. |
| 16:12.19 | pcj | how likely do you think you are to actually get the database/images from Wikia |
| 16:12.39 | pcj | or are you hoping that the passive resistance actually works with lasting results |
| 16:13.47 | Sycamore | I doubt the passive stuff will be going on for much longer - wikia seem to want a tougher routine. I know that a comparibel site ?pedia left with minimal hassle |
| 16:14.43 | Sycamore | I am hopful that wikia might be tempted to change there minds if a more unified approach is adopted |
| 16:14.48 | sacarasc | i just remembered my addition to uncyclopedia... many moons ago |
| 16:15.20 | Sycamore | Yeah - its a great fun site - I was a little curious to see how the lagest Wikia wiki is holding up |
| 16:15.30 | pcj | heh *laggiest |
| 16:15.44 | sacarasc | hehe |
| 16:16.48 | Sycamore | Are you guys planning on moving over? |
| 16:16.55 | pcj | moving over where |
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| 16:17.20 | Sycamore | *to the new domain name |
| 16:17.34 | pcj | No, wikia has very graciously capitulated to giving us more ads |
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| 16:22.19 | Sycamore | I see - I take it then that is the end of the matter |
| 16:23.37 | pcj | nah we get to vote on who represents us in deciding what kind of ads we get |
| 16:25.56 | Amarande | pcj: vote carefully |
| 16:26.06 | Amarande | otherwise, next thing wowwiki will be sponsored by LIVE NUDE WEBCAM :| |
| 16:26.15 | Eraclito | live nude webcam? |
| 16:26.20 | Eraclito | is awaken |
| 16:26.31 | Amarande | or even worse, it might be sponsored by someone who sells an edition of Bejeweled |
| 16:27.02 | Sycamore | pcj - are you familiar with our situation? |
| 16:27.34 | pcj | you somehow got to keep the monobook skin and have already been moved to a subdomain |
| 16:27.53 | pcj | i am debating being jealous or pitying you |
| 16:28.01 | Sycamore | Also a non profit license |
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| 16:30.59 | Moribund | you mean there's other Uncyclopedians hiding out here too? |
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| 16:31.48 | Amarande | so, wikia is doing this why? |
| 16:32.09 | Moribund | there's a lot of money in selling advertising space |
| 16:33.11 | Moribund | Jimbo used to run an online community site called Bomis, and he thinks a similar model will work very well within the communities that you build |
| 16:33.12 | Amarande | I'm more thinking of them moving everything to foo.wikia.com rather than keeping the old domains |
| 16:33.16 | Sycamore | Wikia are trying to get more money to ride out the economic problems |
| 16:33.17 | Amarande | how does *that* help them? |
| 16:33.38 | Moribund | it boosts their ailing ranking |
| 16:34.01 | Sycamore | You seem well informed Moribund... |
| 16:34.03 | Moribund | all the hits that used to be on a site become wikia.com hits |
| 16:34.13 | pcj | comScore sucks |
| 16:34.14 | Moribund | why thank ye |
| 16:34.22 | pcj | also |
| 16:34.25 | Amarande | ehh. |
| 16:34.31 | pcj | wowwiki.com gets 20% of all wikia hosted traffic |
| 16:34.34 | Amarande | the best way, I think, to deal with today's economy is to deny that there's a downturn |
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| 16:35.04 | Sycamore | A problem is that right now the changes might appear a little minor to larger wikis |
| 16:35.34 | Sycamore | But in time, and if money becomes tighter, those that sold out might find themsleves in the worm eaten boat |
| 16:35.53 | Sycamore | *along with everyone else |
| 16:35.55 | Amarande | selling out is NEVER the right policy :look |
| 16:36.31 | Sycamore | Sadly I fear that any capitualtion on this problem might be a bad move |
| 16:36.37 | Sycamore | however tempting |
| 16:36.47 | Moribund | yeah....like when Chamberlain came back with that "peace in our time" letter |
| 16:37.15 | Moribund | and if you think the Nazi were bad......you ain't seen nothing |
| 16:38.03 | Raeni | thats a bit of a twisted comment |
| 16:38.10 | pcj | is wikia invading poland? |
| 16:38.16 | Sycamore | Yes |
| 16:38.19 | pcj | k |
| 16:38.20 | Moribund | ironically....yes |
| 16:38.22 | Amarande | of course, you also speak to someone who plays chess, and when losing, will tend to resign about ten or twenty moves after anyone else would have given up. LOL |
| 16:39.41 | pcj | crucially why so toothbrush moustache |
| 16:40.14 | Moribund | we're toying with organising a mass day of non action to gain publicity |
| 16:40.28 | Moribund | and maybe soften Wikia up a little |
| 16:40.44 | Moribund | it worked for Gandhi |
| 16:40.47 | Amarande | the best way to deal with the economic downturn is to continue to spend as usual, and not acknowledge the existence of a downturn |
| 16:41.24 | Moribund | crisis, what crisis? |
| 16:41.53 | pcj | non-action is my specialty |
| 16:42.42 | Moribund | a day of non editing across multiple websites would generate a major blip on the traffic |
| 16:43.03 | pcj | it wouldn't be just editing |
| 16:43.06 | pcj | it would have to be no visiting |
| 16:43.08 | Moribund | and maybe wake Wikia up to the fact that the communities have to come first |
| 16:43.18 | Moribund | yeah.....no visits |
| 16:43.34 | Amarande | fine with me, I get most of my info from wowhead anyway :S |
| 16:43.36 | Moribund | for 24 hours |
| 16:44.20 | Moribund | I'm speaking to a guy at the Guardian Newspaper to see if we could gain publicity |
| 16:44.56 | Raeni | not to rain on your parade, but wont this type of action merely attract more publicity, boosting their hits? |
| 16:45.22 | Moribund | the publicity comes after the event |
| 16:45.37 | Moribund | when we can show the dip |
| 16:45.45 | Raeni | so how would you keep people from visiting the site? |
| 16:46.25 | Moribund | you won't stop everyone, but if you can get enough of the main users to go John Galt it would make a difference |
| 16:47.12 | Raeni | its not that i dont think its a good idea, but expect go have 5 griefers per 1 sympathiser tbh |
| 16:47.32 | Raeni | the wow community isnt exactly made up of adults |
| 16:47.33 | pcj | losing 1/6 of the traffic would still be a measurable dip |
| 16:47.37 | Sycamore | I agree - If major users/ops walk, it presents a serious problem for wikia |
| 16:48.30 | Moribund | when they moved the uncyclopedia name over almost all the ops stopped work for a day |
| 16:48.33 | pcj | tbh their position is understandable and im not sure hurting them is the way to go |
| 16:48.48 | Sycamore | They can't afford to keep this up, angry communities, bad publicity and walk outs... |
| 16:48.52 | pcj | they just need to communicate better with us |
| 16:49.44 | Moribund | I agree.....I would like to sort things out with Wikia, but sometimes you need to strengthen your hand first |
| 16:51.30 | pcj | what we really need to do is increase traffic |
| 16:51.36 | pcj | which would make our individual comScore rating go up |
| 16:51.39 | Moribund | most business will look to capitalise on whatever they can get away with |
| 16:52.21 | Raeni | but to sabotage their attempts doesnt create any type of good will, and right now they're the ones holding the major cards |
| 16:52.45 | Sycamore | Playing ball only gets you so far... |
| 16:53.23 | Sycamore | Good will can come with trust and agreement - we have neither right now |
| 16:53.33 | Moribund | actually the communities are holding the cards |
| 16:53.38 | Moribund | without them Wikia have nothing |
| 16:53.56 | Raeni | and without wikia, wowwiki would struggle to make the cash to exist |
| 16:54.22 | Raeni | which sucks but its reality |
| 16:54.54 | SorbP_ | what hae i sumbled upon here, wowwiki in trouble :( |
| 16:54.58 | SorbP_ | love this site |
| 16:55.00 | Raeni | what i dont understand is some people's willingness to drop to wikia's level |
| 16:55.35 | Moribund | we're not.....we're taking the moral high ground |
| 16:55.41 | Moribund | ;) |
| 16:55.44 | Raeni | some are |
| 16:55.57 | Raeni | but if you read around a bit, most people make angry threats with no foundation or arguement |
| 16:56.57 | pcj | well the point of the problem from wowwiki's standpoint is wikia has always in the past made unilateral decisions about wowwiki |
| 16:57.00 | pcj | like changing our skin |
| 16:57.03 | pcj | changing our logins |
| 16:57.11 | pcj | it's exasperating |
| 16:57.11 | Raeni | yeah I remember |
| 16:57.16 | pcj | their position is understandable |
| 16:57.20 | pcj | but they still need to work with us |
| 16:57.55 | SorbP_ | so is wowwiki owned by wikia? or why can they do so? |
| 16:57.58 | Sycamore | Their not, they sit on you, you squeal |
| 16:58.05 | Sycamore | *They're |
| 16:58.05 | pcj | wowwiki is run by wikia |
| 16:58.11 | SorbP_ | ah |
| 16:58.13 | pcj | wikia does not technically own the content |
| 16:58.43 | Raeni | who is the technical owner of the content? the contributor or the wowwiki community? |
| 16:58.47 | pcj | nor with fair respect do the editors for some part since blizzard owns the copyright |
| 16:58.47 | SorbP_ | can't realy say i would visit any other wikia site than wowwiki aswell as the rest of hte wow community |
| 16:59.29 | Sycamore | I'm from another wiki - this problem affects you all |
| 16:59.35 | pcj | the wowwiki license is convoluted especially with the changes to the GFDL |
| 16:59.47 | pcj | and in respect to fair use which is weakly arguable |
| 16:59.56 | Sycamore | You're the largest - so they treat you sweet |
| 17:01.02 | Sycamore | and Wikia does not own your contribuitions or yourselves - you do have a choice here |
| 17:01.26 | pcj | yeah but the choice is a difficult one |
| 17:01.37 | pcj | especially since wikia brands all the database with wikia stuff |
| 17:01.48 | pcj | and doesn't really have pictures readily available |
| 17:01.56 | pcj | and still maintains the wikia version of the site |
| 17:03.13 | Sycamore | No one is saying the conclusions of any action we take - nor is anyone suggesting anything like destroying what we have. I care a lot about the wiki I'm from as you do |
| 17:03.58 | Sycamore | It is my hope that wikia might change their stand and work with the communites they have rather than squeezing them for cash |
| 17:04.12 | Raeni | yet you speak of "a choice" as if you've already decided |
| 17:04.39 | Raeni | you dont want to be giving ultimatums |
| 17:04.41 | pcj | also the compressed database size not including pictures is 1.87 GB |
| 17:05.27 | Sycamore | I have taken a stand on my wiki - not yours, it seems you've yet to decide which side of the fence you are on... |
| 17:06.07 | Raeni | you make it sound like we are the bad guys? |
| 17:06.36 | Moribund | actually we are about to put some options to the membership |
| 17:06.41 | Sycamore | You're not - Wikia has crossed a line |
| 17:06.47 | Moribund | and let them decide the path they which to take |
| 17:06.48 | Raeni | ok :) |
| 17:07.25 | Moribund | but as we have a common "enemy" a common approach may be mutually beneficial |
| 17:07.43 | Moribund | you know where we are if you need any support |
| 17:08.18 | Moribund | :) |
| 17:15.04 | pcj | ~seen Tusva |
| 17:15.08 | infobot | tusva <i=805b4a6d@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-2005493ad5c4c221> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowwiki, 189d 20h 8m 32s ago, saying: 'Especially since it's what, midnight there? :P'. |
| 17:17.30 | Sycamore | Well, I hope you guys do alright - see you around:) |
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| 17:45.31 | Kalroth | hooray, pcj unbans! more people for the channel! |
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| 18:44.46 | kaetan | Hello! I have a quick question for the site admins. Have there been any reports of users navigating to a page, then the page blanks to a white screen and continuously loads something from ads.wikia? |
| 18:45.24 | pcj | there have been reports |
| 18:45.28 | pcj | but not enough details to duplicate |
| 18:46.23 | kaetan | Ok, well, its been happening to me off and on for a couple weeks. This morning it happened on the main page (1st time) and again a few minutes ago on the Death Knight Builds page |
| 18:47.15 | kaetan | Mostly I wanted to make sure it wasn't something specific to me alone. |
| 18:47.18 | pcj | can you contact support@wikia.com with all relavent details |
| 18:47.27 | kaetan | Will do. Thanks |
| 18:52.11 | kaetan | In case you needed to know, http://www.wowwiki.com/Death_knight_build_samples/ is currently doing exactly that. |
| 18:52.50 | Tuqui-tuqui | the page is blank =x |
| 18:52.55 | Tuqui-tuqui | not really |
| 18:53.03 | Tuqui-tuqui | WoWWiki does not have a page with this exact name! <-- |
| 18:54.32 | kaetan | My bad - take the / off the end |
| 18:55.46 | pcj | works fine for me |
| 18:56.41 | kaetan | Hmm.. I have one tab (Firefox) that has been loading for 10 minutes, and another tab that just loaded it up |
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| 19:16.50 | g0urra | FFFFFFFUUUUUUUU |
| 19:17.03 | g0urra | http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Zonebox/sandbox |
| 19:17.15 | g0urra | why the hell doesn't the bottom border go all the way |
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| 19:17.31 | Felixio | hi? |
| 19:17.54 | Felixio | does anyone knows if wow eu servers are down? |
| 19:19.22 | pcj | i imagine that the eu realmstatus page does |
| 19:20.02 | Felixio | i cant dl the eu page |
| 19:20.11 | pcj | what |
| 19:20.58 | Felixio | i cant enter eu realmstatus page |
| 19:23.24 | Charitwo | g0urra my friend |
| 19:25.02 | pcj | why can't you |
| 19:26.16 | Zyferus | it appears that all the EU realms are up, several are full even |
| 19:26.52 | Felixio | hmm im worried then cause i simply cant connect |
| 19:29.10 | Felixio | can anyone make me a favor and try entering www.wow-europe.com |
| 19:29.46 | g0urra | it's up |
| 19:29.57 | Felixio | omg wtf is happening? |
| 19:30.34 | g0urra | it's a conspiracy |
| 19:30.39 | Felixio | ill bet |
| 19:30.57 | Felixio | my computer saying ur to fat to keep playing wow get a life |
| 19:31.40 | g0urra | is that supposed to be an insult? |
| 19:31.54 | Felixio | to whom? |
| 19:31.56 | Felixio | me? |
| 19:32.03 | g0urra | no, to me. |
| 19:32.12 | Felixio | ? |
| 19:32.15 | pcj | to ur mom |
| 19:32.17 | Felixio | err no |
| 19:32.35 | Felixio | i said my computer was telling me to get a life |
| 19:33.01 | foxlit | g0urra is just easily insulted. |
| 19:33.07 | foxlit | And, apparently, insecure about weight. |
| 19:33.11 | g0urra | lawl |
| 19:33.37 | Felixio | english is not my language sorry for the miss undestanding |
| 19:33.42 | g0urra | either way I meant conspiracy as it's by the government |
| 19:34.10 | Felixio | my government sucks it cant even conspire decently |
| 19:50.49 | crucially | pcj: ? |
| 19:50.56 | pcj | what |
| 19:51.06 | crucially | toothbrush mustache what? |
| 19:51.17 | pcj | oh we were talking about wikia invading poland |
| 19:51.19 | pcj | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toothbrush_moustache |
| 19:52.47 | crucially | ah |
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| 20:31.49 | pcj | IE sucks |
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| 20:39.58 | Pandathegold | ello |
| 20:43.06 | pcj | hi |
| 20:44.41 | pcj | k |
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| 22:07.59 | kd3 | ho... |
| 22:08.05 | kd3 | they updated wikia's terms of use |
| 22:08.12 | kd3 | "Not intentionally block, remove, or otherwise obstruct the proper functioning and view of advertisements by other users, including but not limited to changing or adding javascript or CSS changes to the Service that would prevent the proper display or function of advertisements." |
| 22:10.16 | kd3 | ooh... - "Wikia will never host pop-up adverts." |
| 22:13.13 | winkiller | I loved VH-1's pop-up video |
| 22:13.23 | kd3 | ya, that was cool |
| 22:13.52 | winkiller | there was even some hip web 2.0 video website that unintentionally (I think) mimicked that |
| 22:14.12 | winkiller | one of the first where you could "annotate" certain times |
| 22:14.23 | winkiller | easily abusable for something like that |
| 22:14.37 | winkiller | user-generated would be even better |
| 22:14.54 | winkiller | 1000 internet nerds surely know more trivia than some production company |
| 22:15.02 | winkiller | pop-up video was quite costly iirc |
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| 23:19.35 | Nekora | Hi. I'm kinda a noob again, since I haven't played WoW since pre-BC, and I wanted to kinda ask a random question before I got back into things and created a new character and all. |
| 23:21.28 | Nekora | Been told by friends that on a lot of servers, nobody ever does old stuff anymore, and it's impossible to find an actual group to do old dungeons with a low-level characters. Everyone just gets power-leveled. Are there any 'younger' servers out there where people still PUG old dungeons? |
| 23:22.56 | selckin | 5mans? |
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| 23:23.51 | whitemere | Hi Nekora - on Alonsus (EU) at least you could still find people pre-WOTLK doing instances levelling alts. Not sure since the expansion I imagine everyone's been to busy levelling their mains then gearing them up. None of the old pre BC raids have been done in a while tho - unless it's guilds occasionally for a laugh... |
| 23:24.15 | Nekora | Yeah, 5mans, whatever. Anything. I went to like 50 before I stopped due to college reasons way back when and I'd like to actually DO some of the dungeons I haven't done, at lower levels. |
| 23:24.46 | Nekora | Things like Stratholme, Dire Maul, Blackrock Depths, etc. |
| 23:26.21 | whitemere | Hmmm I found people did up to ST then speedlevelled to 58 to hit outland and BC instances. My pally stuggled to find groups for Start and DM for the charger quest and had to do as guild runs |
| 23:26.41 | winkiller | Nekora: don't get your hopes to high, not only does it highly depend on server and faction, also on general luck per server and day and time |
| 23:26.49 | winkiller | in general, it looks very grm |
| 23:27.03 | winkiller | highest chance is when joining a dedicated "levelling guild" |
| 23:27.29 | Nekora | Yeah, I was wondering if there were any 'young' servers which still had an influx of new players where chances were higher. |
| 23:27.46 | winkiller | I wouldn't bet that the chances are higher there |
| 23:28.03 | winkiller | all the "hardcore" players are rushing to 80 for server firsts |
| 23:28.27 | winkiller | and the not-so-hardcore are rerolling from other servers, so maybe also bored of the 5mans already |
| 23:28.27 | Nekora | Well, yeah, but what about the casuals? |
| 23:28.40 | winkiller | dunno, at least on my server I hardly had any luck witht hat |
| 23:28.47 | Nekora | It's kind of a shame because I found doing PUGs of dungeons on the way up to max level to be quite enjoyable. |
| 23:28.52 | winkiller | also casuals mostly level faster solo nowadays |
| 23:29.03 | winkiller | until you get your group going... |
| 23:29.14 | winkiller | and with the nerf to all the hard quests |
| 23:29.21 | winkiller | and the exp boost |
| 23:29.30 | winkiller | most people don't deem it worth |
| 23:29.42 | winkiller | it's a pity, but perfectly understandable |
| 23:29.49 | winkiller | you outlevel your shiny blue loot so fast |
| 23:29.55 | winkiller | it's not worth :( |
| 23:30.37 | Nekora | Can you at least find PUGs of random BC stuff? |
| 23:30.43 | Nekora | Or is it all Wrath? |
| 23:31.13 | whitemere | you may dind the odd death knight levelling up through the 60's doing the odd BC instance |
| 23:31.17 | whitemere | *find |
| 23:32.02 | winkiller | BC was better |
| 23:32.13 | Nekora | Jeez. Wrath had better have a lot of good stuff to make giving up all the other stuff worth it. |
| 23:32.15 | winkiller | and 60+ instances are still worth it |
| 23:32.27 | winkiller | because they give good exp |
| 23:32.34 | winkiller | and rep (ok, useless now) |
| 23:33.01 | winkiller | ah well |
| 23:33.06 | winkiller | it was already so in BC |
| 23:33.11 | winkiller | not Wrath's fault |
| 23:33.21 | winkiller | more the general "we want people to level up faster" |
| 23:33.21 | Nekora | How many instances are in Wrath, besides the big Raid stuff like Naxx? |
| 23:33.27 | winkiller | uhm sec |
| 23:33.48 | winkiller | UK, UP, Nexus, Ocu |
| 23:33.51 | winkiller | HoL, HoS |
| 23:33.54 | winkiller | CoT4 |
| 23:34.04 | winkiller | VH, Gundrak, Draktharon |
| 23:34.08 | winkiller | AN AK |
| 23:34.18 | winkiller | ya, count it :) |
| 23:34.22 | Nekora | Wow. o.o That's quite a few. o.o |
| 23:34.24 | winkiller | had the list open just now |
| 23:34.56 | Nekora | I think that's like nearly as many instances as Pre-BC WoW had all the way up to 60. |
| 23:35.05 | winkiller | nah |
| 23:35.31 | winkiller | DM, SFK, SM, ZF, BRD, Strat, LBRS |
| 23:35.48 | winkiller | hu? |
| 23:35.53 | winkiller | why's this incompete |
| 23:36.23 | winkiller | damn armory |
| 23:36.25 | Nekora | So basically, if I want to do all the old content without having a guild run me all the way through, I have to have friends who are willing to go along with me and do this with me, then? |
| 23:36.33 | winkiller | yep |
| 23:36.37 | winkiller | or get a levelling guild |
| 23:36.46 | winkiller | my server for example has one (or had?) |
| 23:36.46 | Nekora | Are leveling guilds common? |
| 23:36.57 | Nekora | Where can I find something like that? |
| 23:37.01 | winkiller | that did like 10-19 instances monday, 20-20 tuesday, etc |
| 23:37.19 | winkiller | read official realm forums, ask people |
| 23:37.32 | winkiller | I could only direct you to the 1-2 I know on EU-Aggramar Horde :) |
| 23:37.45 | winkiller | and dunno how functional they are nowadays |
| 23:38.27 | Nekora | That's one big feature that FF XI has that I wish WoW picked up on. Level caps on dungeons, and the ability to lower your level (Along with the level of your items) to go in them, so you can play with your low level friends without destroying the challenge of the dungeon. |
| 23:39.00 | winkiller | yeah that would be awesome |
| 23:39.32 | Nekora | Has Blizzard said anything about that sort of idea? |
| 23:39.35 | winkiller | never |
| 23:39.42 | winkiller | reverse-heroics so to speak |
| 23:39.54 | winkiller | unheroics? sounds nice |
| 23:40.29 | Nekora | Someone has to have asked for the feature |
| 23:41.02 | winkiller | I bet |
| 23:41.12 | winkiller | people also asked for heroic Deadmines, etc |
| 23:41.34 | winkiller | how come you're so informed about BC and LK at all? |
| 23:41.59 | Nekora | Because I've been asking friends about it. I wanna get back into the game, but I'm kinda debating what I want to do. |
| 23:42.35 | selckin | pick a realm with your friends |
| 23:42.44 | winkiller | well, I'd advise to level solo or with friends' alts |
| 23:42.46 | Nekora | All my friends are unfortunately scattered. |
| 23:42.46 | selckin | solo level, do level approriate dungeons if you can get a grp |
| 23:42.50 | winkiller | and have an eye on LFG |
| 23:43.04 | winkiller | ^ that |
| 23:43.17 | Nekora | I think the greatest concentrations of friends I have is on Argent Dawn. |
| 23:45.10 | Nekora | I suppose I kinda got back into the game too late, if there's not enough new players out there to support any activity in Pre-BC areas bleh. |
| 23:46.31 | Nekora | Are the BC and LK areas worth the trip up to 80? Am I not missing out on much because I won't be able to the <60 stuff that I heard was cool back in the Pre-BC days? |
| 23:46.49 | Nekora | I remember people saying Dire Maul and Stratholme were really cool , at the time, for example. |
| 23:49.17 | selckin | just pretend they never existed and you'll be happy |
| 23:49.46 | selckin | not missing much |
| 23:50.03 | Nekora | So the new stuff has better design and such? |
| 23:51.31 | selckin | sure |
| 23:51.40 | selckin | it's about the ppl you're with and not he instance imo |
| 23:52.43 | Nekora | All right. |