| 00:00.10 | g0urra | THANK YOU PCJ FOR MAKING MY LIFE SO MUCH BETTER |
| 00:00.16 | pcj | NP |
| 00:00.30 | g0urra | LET US BE HAPPY AND ENJOY THE SUCCESS OF WIKIA |
| 00:00.45 | g0urra | HOW ABOUT MOVING TO A DIFFERENT DOMAIN PCJ, EH OL' CHAP |
| 00:00.57 | pcj | YEAH |
| 00:01.05 | pcj | MAYBE THEY COULD BE MORE SUCCESSFUL |
| 00:01.16 | g0urra | MAYBE THEY COULD FAIL LESS |
| 00:01.23 | Raeni | so much yelling :( |
| 00:01.29 | pcj | SORRY |
| 00:01.45 | g0urra | I LIKE YELLING |
| 00:02.17 | g0urra | WHY ARENT YOU YELLING RAENI |
| 00:02.32 | Raeni | I DONT KNOW WHAT TO YELL ABOUT |
| 00:02.49 | pcj | INCIDENTALLY: http://www.quantcast.com/p-8bG6eLqkH6Avk/traffic/sites |
| 00:02.53 | Morril | WHY DO WE NED A REASON TO YELL? |
| 00:03.02 | pcj | LOOKS LIKE WOWWIKI COMPRISES 20% OF THE TRAFFIC |
| 00:03.14 | Fisker- | i lol'd |
| 00:03.20 | Morril | Also hello thar g0urra |
| 00:03.29 | Fisker- | yoyowiki.org? |
| 00:03.32 | g0urra | NOT ENOUGH TRAFFIC PCJ |
| 00:03.36 | Fisker- | = Yo dawg i heard you like wikis? |
| 00:03.38 | g0urra | YO YO, WIKI |
| 00:03.52 | Fisker- | i got it now actually |
| 00:04.22 | Fisker- | "Yo wowwiki dawgs, i heard you like domains, so we put a domain yo domain so you can exist while existing" |
| 00:04.27 | g0urra | http://yoyowiki.org/wiki/Main_Page |
| 00:04.30 | g0urra | HUEG WIKI |
| 00:04.42 | Fisker- | omg |
| 00:04.45 | pcj | WOW THAT LOOKS LIKE SHIT |
| 00:04.46 | Fisker- | wiki about yoyo's |
| 00:04.49 | Morril | G0URRA WHY ARE YOU YELLING |
| 00:04.54 | Fisker- | that barely qualifies as an article on wikipedia |
| 00:04.56 | pcj | OH WAIT ITS MONACO |
| 00:05.11 | Fisker- | HEY GUISE |
| 00:05.12 | pcj | WAIT WHY DO THEY HAVE THEIR OWN DOMAIN |
| 00:05.16 | Fisker- | WATS GOIN ON IN HERE? |
| 00:05.31 | pcj | BRB |
| 00:05.32 | Fisker- | Because their site is shit |
| 00:05.36 | Fisker- | also |
| 00:05.41 | Morril | Frisker-: WE ARE TESKING OUT OUR VOCALS |
| 00:05.57 | g0urra | BUT THEY ARE SO HUGE THEY NEED THEIR OWN DOMAIN |
| 00:06.07 | Fisker- | when wowwiki goes to wikia.com wikia.com will be responsible for 98.5% of all traffic |
| 00:06.08 | Fisker- | :3 |
| 00:06.25 | Fisker- | btw |
| 00:06.40 | Fisker- | i still wonder how they can exceed 100% |
| 00:06.44 | Fisker- | pime taradox? |
| 00:07.05 | sacarasc | magic |
| 00:07.31 | Fisker- | The 3 top sites make out 101% of all traffic |
| 00:07.34 | Fisker- | d'oh |
| 00:08.06 | g0urra | delicious EQ2 wiki |
| 00:08.10 | g0urra | 1 US visitor this month |
| 00:08.10 | Fisker- | haha yeah |
| 00:08.12 | Fisker- | ^^ |
| 00:08.25 | Fisker- | we just oh shit'ed their visitor statistics for next month |
| 00:08.36 | Fisker- | 28 December 2008 |
| 00:08.36 | Fisker- | Kodia talk says... Congratulations, everyone! We broke the 38,000 article mark this weekend! Onward and upward! |
| 00:08.37 | Fisker- | hehe |
| 00:08.39 | g0urra | wait |
| 00:08.40 | g0urra | wait |
| 00:08.42 | g0urra | waaaaaaaait |
| 00:08.44 | g0urra | Fisker- |
| 00:08.45 | Fisker- | Congratulations, everyone... err me! |
| 00:08.48 | g0urra | that's on another domain |
| 00:08.51 | g0urra | http://www.quantcast.com/eq2.wikia.com |
| 00:08.55 | g0urra | 37.7k |
| 00:08.58 | Fisker- | aww :( |
| 00:09.58 | g0urra | but we got 1.6M in the US |
| 00:09.59 | g0urra | so it's k |
| 00:10.23 | Arrowmaster | where does quantcast get these numbers |
| 00:10.29 | g0urra | pcj's mom |
| 00:10.50 | Arrowmaster | theres no way 47% of wowwiki.com visitors have a yearly income of $100k+ |
| 00:11.01 | g0urra | ALSO, PROXY |
| 00:11.32 | Charitwo | PRAWCK SEE |
| 00:11.57 | g0urra | PRĂ…X IIII |
| 00:12.03 | winkiller | is reading other people's code |
| 00:12.43 | winkiller | is crying |
| 00:12.43 | g0urra | hands winkiller a gun |
| 00:12.43 | Charitwo | {{sofixit}} |
| 00:12.43 | g0urra | personal use |
| 00:12.43 | g0urra | Charitwo fail |
| 00:12.45 | g0urra | http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Wikia_Update ^ |
| 00:13.29 | winkiller | "Wikia is now a top 200 website according to Quantcast" |
| 00:13.35 | winkiller | as in wowwiki part of wikia? |
| 00:13.51 | winkiller | let's count blogger.com visitors for google.com |
| 00:13.54 | g0urra | yeah and appearantly we are 20% of the traffic |
| 00:14.19 | Fisker- | You're not old enough to get ads installed g0urra |
| 00:14.21 | winkiller | AWSUM |
| 00:14.27 | Arrowmaster | http://www.quantcast.com/p-8bG6eLqkH6Avk/traffic/sites |
| 00:14.34 | Arrowmaster | yes they already count wowwiki as part of it |
| 00:14.47 | Arrowmaster | so why do they want to move wowwiki to their domain? |
| 00:14.49 | Fisker- | Remember that math isn't their bright side |
| 00:14.50 | Fisker- | :3 |
| 00:14.59 | Fisker- | because we're not old enough for ads Arrowmaster |
| 00:15.09 | g0urra | Arrowmaster: because it's NOT ENOUGH WIKIA |
| 00:15.15 | g0urra | need moar wikia overlordz |
| 00:15.20 | Fisker- | moar |
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| 00:15.59 | g0urra | obviously wikia gets more money if it changes to wow.wikia.com |
| 00:16.45 | g0urra | it's so subtle Fisker- |
| 00:16.49 | winkiller | I'd love to earn more money by using a superfluous .a |
| 00:16.56 | Arrowmaster | im inclined to agree with some of those comments on that talk page about the domain, wikia marketing team is fucking stupid |
| 00:17.01 | winkiller | /nick winkiller.a |
| 00:17.05 | Fisker- | nah Arrowmaster |
| 00:17.09 | Fisker- | they're fucking geniuses! |
| 00:17.27 | g0urra | NEED MORE WIKIA |
| 00:17.30 | winkiller | which talk page? |
| 00:17.33 | g0urra | WIKIA ARE THE GOOD GUYS |
| 00:17.41 | g0urra | WW:VP |
| 00:17.42 | Arrowmaster | the one in the topic |
| 00:17.45 | g0urra | and stuff |
| 00:17.54 | Arrowmaster | the tinyurl |
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| 00:18.46 | Fisker- | But Arrowmaster it's because WoWWiki isn't known that much |
| 00:18.52 | Fisker- | So like everyone is: |
| 00:18.55 | Fisker- | Who the fuck is Wowwiki? |
| 00:19.00 | Fisker- | But noone is: |
| 00:19.04 | Fisker- | Who the fuck is wikia? |
| 00:19.40 | Arrowmaster | so their marketing should just say 'wowwiki, which makes up 20% of all the traffic in the wikia network, ....' |
| 00:19.50 | Arrowmaster | when selling ads |
| 00:20.00 | winkiller | wow |
| 00:20.07 | winkiller | and I never even saw that discussion |
| 00:20.19 | Arrowmaster | neither did i until yesterday |
| 00:20.22 | Fisker- | that's big boy words Arrowmaster |
| 00:20.26 | g0urra | http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Moving_your_wiki_to_Wikia#Will_the_URL_of_my_wiki_change.3F |
| 00:20.38 | g0urra | "While exceptions can be made for very large wikis, ..." |
| 00:20.49 | g0urra | NOT LARGE ENOGUH FISKER- |
| 00:21.01 | g0urra | ENOUGH* |
| 00:21.07 | Arrowmaster | i vote a boycott until they move it back if they do move it |
| 00:21.44 | Charitwo | g0urra my friend calm down |
| 00:22.02 | g0urra | why so calm Charitwo |
| 00:22.44 | Fisker- | Obviously the only wiki big enough to not be moved to the wikia domain is wikia |
| 00:22.46 | Fisker- | oh shi- |
| 00:23.17 | winkiller | "Can I leave Wikia later if I change my mind?" |
| 00:23.23 | winkiller | that's more interesting |
| 00:23.38 | Amarande | No one EVER leaves the KGB ... er, Wikia |
| 00:23.49 | winkiller | I knew there was a drawback... |
| 00:23.54 | Ose | you do nor simply walk out of Wikia |
| 00:24.03 | Ose | s/r/t/ |
| 00:25.56 | Sandwichman2449 | snickers, but does not just type 'lol'. |
| 00:28.15 | Sandwichman2449 | And with that slightly odd comment everyone shuts up again. Does my text smell bad or something? |
| 00:28.29 | pcj | NEED MORE RAGE |
| 00:28.41 | g0urra | NOT ENOUGH ENERGY |
| 00:29.00 | Ose | cries out for healing! |
| 00:29.39 | Sandwichman2449 | I will leave well enough along starting now. |
| 00:29.57 | Fisker- | Your name isn't known enough for lol'ing Sandwichman2449 |
| 00:30.25 | winkiller | so, added one more "that's bs, but you'll ignore us anyway" stanza |
| 00:31.00 | Sandwichman2449 | Me or fisker? |
| 00:32.11 | g0urra | but I want furry editors winkiller :( |
| 00:32.26 | winkiller | psh, don't undermine my argumentation |
| 00:33.12 | Fisker- | only to let them yiff in hell g0urra |
| 00:33.20 | g0urra | YIFF YIFF |
| 00:33.51 | sacarasc | :o |
| 00:34.44 | winkiller | I have an idea! |
| 00:34.59 | Sandwichman2449 | What is it? |
| 00:35.07 | winkiller | if you reach 1k edits, you can keep your old url :P |
| 00:35.07 | sacarasc | it's a trap |
| 00:35.15 | winkiller | cookie magic |
| 00:35.24 | winkiller | and lots of broken redirects :P |
| 00:45.00 | Fisker- | Now that Blizzard is shoving ads down our forums |
| 00:45.14 | Fisker- | They should do like forums.worldofwarcraft.blizzard.vivendi.activisionblizzard.com |
| 00:45.25 | Fisker- | So that advertisors know who the fuck they are |
| 00:45.40 | Sandwichman2449 | I agree. |
| 00:45.58 | winkiller | lol |
| 00:46.09 | sacarasc | good point, Fisker- |
| 00:46.10 | winkiller | and the sneaky bastards changed their html code |
| 00:46.21 | winkiller | my greasemonkey script was dysfunctional today |
| 00:46.25 | Fisker- | i'm sure noone wil mind the extra billion characters |
| 00:46.27 | winkiller | after returning after 3d |
| 00:46.44 | Fisker- | War is hell winkiller |
| 00:46.54 | winkiller | nods |
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| 00:56.00 | Moribund | http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Decisions_Time_Folks_-_Let%27s_Be_Organized_for_a_Change |
| 00:56.06 | Sandwichman2449 | In a completely serious question, how doomed is WoWWiki? |
| 00:56.21 | Moribund | speaking of getting raeped by Wikia..... |
| 00:56.38 | Garim | what's happening to wowwiki? |
| 00:58.16 | pcj | see topic |
| 01:00.16 | Moribund | or have a look at http://complaintwiki.org/wiki/Main_Page#WoWWiki |
| 01:01.08 | Moribund | Wikia have real problems at the moment, all their main potential sources of revenue from their ads are revolting |
| 01:02.11 | Pinky | they just have more page loads than ever before |
| 01:02.37 | pcj | well the pages are only revolting because of the skin and the ads |
| 01:02.54 | Moribund | badum tshhhhh |
| 01:03.04 | Garim | adblock~ |
| 01:03.32 | Moribund | maybe we should organise a pan-wiki day of action in protest |
| 01:03.38 | Moribund | get the press involved |
| 01:03.46 | BiggieSmalls | LOL |
| 01:03.50 | g0urra | LOL |
| 01:04.13 | Moribund | seriously.....it would really hurt Wikia |
| 01:04.21 | Sandwichman2449 | Someone on some wiki may have a connection or two. |
| 01:04.28 | Moribund | might persuade them to actually listen to the communities |
| 01:07.34 | g0urra | goodnight |
| 01:08.06 | Fisker- | right |
| 01:08.25 | Fisker- | From the looks of it one should believe that all their investors aren't going to give them a choice |
| 01:08.36 | Fisker- | Which seems to be in line with previous stupid shit done |
| 01:10.04 | pcj | well |
| 01:10.09 | pcj | they did it to uncyclopedia |
| 01:10.11 | pcj | and nothing changed |
| 01:10.12 | pcj | so |
| 01:10.15 | pcj | what's the point |
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| 01:10.48 | pcj | what |
| 01:10.55 | pcj | that is a most curious quit message |
| 01:11.49 | Fisker- | They'll get what is coming to them down the line |
| 01:11.49 | Fisker- | :P |
| 01:12.15 | Fisker- | gonna get some sleep as well |
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| 01:18.22 | Moribund | they did it to Uncyclopedia and everything changed |
| 01:18.31 | Moribund | most of the regulars left |
| 01:18.52 | Moribund | and are currently considering what to do |
| 01:21.43 | Amarande | sadly, they apparently actually have to listen to their investors now |
| 01:22.13 | Moribund | if the communities generate enough bad press they'll have to listen |
| 01:27.09 | Moribund | Uncyclopedia has put together a working party to negotiate/talk with Wikia, and to represent the community |
| 01:27.30 | Moribund | maybe WoWWiki could form their own |
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| 01:41.37 | Adys | ~wwquotes |
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| 01:42.06 | Adys | afk sleep |
| 01:43.28 | Sandwichman2449 | :( |
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| 12:11.33 | *** topic/#wowwiki by Adys -> Welcome to #wowwiki, please read http://wowwiki.com/WW:IRC | UI&Macros: #wowuidev | http://tinyurl.com/97wwuz | Happy new year ! |
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| 14:15.34 | pcj | punches a hole in the wall by g0urra's head |
| 14:15.46 | g0urra | why so srs pcj |
| 14:15.58 | pcj | http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Sky2042#Address_Rolandius.2C_please |
| 14:16.39 | g0urra | ok |
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| 14:49.28 | *** topic/#wowwiki by pcj -> Welcome to #wowwiki, please read http://wowwiki.com/WW:IRC | UI&Macros: #wowuidev | #cvn-wikia-wowwiki | http://tinyurl.com/97wwuz | Happy new year ! |
| 15:08.43 | pcj | why do warlocks get to look like putress |
| 15:08.54 | pcj | and priests like rogues |
| 15:09.15 | syberghost | Because they like to play dress-up. |
| 15:09.36 | syberghost | Because they fel and they can't get up. |
| 15:09.50 | syberghost | Also, something about ur mom. |
| 15:10.03 | syberghost | Fill that in for me, I'm too busy. |
| 15:10.12 | pcj | ur moms too busy |
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| 15:13.19 | syberghost | http://xkcd.com/524/ |
| 15:13.25 | pcj | ooooold |
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| 15:40.48 | Fisker- | why so srs pcj ? |
| 15:40.56 | Fisker- | You're leaving in a week or so anyways |
| 15:41.10 | pcj | what |
| 15:41.30 | Fisker- | january 7th etc. |
| 15:41.51 | pcj | no no no |
| 15:41.56 | pcj | wikia caved |
| 15:41.58 | pcj | we get ads |
| 15:42.05 | pcj | don't have to move |
| 15:42.06 | pcj | etc |
| 15:42.15 | pcj | thank god for wikia giving us ads |
| 15:43.18 | foxlit | "thank god for wikia giving us ads" |
| 15:43.33 | Charitwo | qdb |
| 15:43.41 | foxlit | ^i |
| 15:44.03 | Charitwo | what kind of ads |
| 15:46.03 | Fisker- | But how pcj ? |
| 15:46.08 | Fisker- | Noone know who the fuck wowwiki is |
| 15:46.12 | Fisker- | So they can't sell ads :( |
| 15:46.21 | pcj | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Village_pump#A_proposal_-_that_would_require_you_to_designate_a_representative |
| 15:47.59 | pcj | they can sell ads |
| 15:48.02 | pcj | just not really good ads |
| 15:50.45 | Fisker- | i know :P |
| 15:51.34 | pcj | no you don't |
| 15:51.36 | foxlit | They let Fisker- buy them |
| 15:51.56 | g0urra | deputizes pcj |
| 15:51.59 | g0urra | I choose you |
| 15:52.23 | foxlit | Because that'd be so... constructive. |
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| 15:56.14 | *** topic/#wowwiki is Welcome to #wowwiki, please read http://wowwiki.com/WW:IRC | UI&Macros: #wowuidev | #cvn-wikia-wowwiki | http://tinyurl.com/97wwuz | Happy new year ! |
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| 15:56.23 | Ose | my gamecard code wont validate |
| 15:56.48 | Fisker- | got away pcj |
| 15:57.41 | pcj | ~fisker- |
| 15:57.41 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, fisker- is the resident Pokemon expert |
| 15:58.37 | Fisker- | fu |
| 15:59.36 | g0urra | ~pcj |
| 15:59.37 | infobot | WHO DARES SUMMON ME |
| 15:59.55 | Fisker- | shut up infobot |
| 15:59.59 | Fisker- | you're not pcj |
| 16:00.11 | g0urra | they don't even fit |
| 16:02.27 | Ose | wow-europe.com = fail |
| 16:02.52 | Ose | had to clear cookies and cache and stuff to get it to accept his gamecard |
| 16:03.51 | foxlit | ~factinfo pcj |
| 16:03.51 | infobot | pcj -- created by g0urra <n=g0urra@wowwiki/g0urra> 4m 23s ago; it has been requested 2 times, last by g0urra, 4m 14s ago. |
| 16:04.14 | g0urra | ~>:3 |
| 16:04.15 | infobot | ACTION gets in the car |
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| 16:07.06 | syberghost | Fisker-: i herd you like mudkipz |
| 16:07.38 | syberghost | Ose: we bought a time card at BestBuy, box was still sealed, no tampering evident, but when we opened it there was no card. |
| 16:07.49 | syberghost | I have to call Blizzard and straighten it out for my kid. |
| 16:07.55 | Ose | o.O |
| 16:08.39 | syberghost | That's why I like the way NCSoft is handling it now. The cards aren't in boxes, they're loose like a phone card, and have to be activated at the register. |
| 16:09.02 | winkiller | rofl |
| 16:09.05 | syberghost | Steal all you want, does you no good. |
| 16:09.06 | winkiller | that's sick |
| 16:09.37 | syberghost | It's kinda cool, you can call NCSoft and put more time on. |
| 16:09.58 | syberghost | Look in your favorite electronics store, there's a bunch doing that now. |
| 16:10.41 | winkiller | not sure we have NCSoft cards here |
| 16:10.57 | winkiller | we don't have BestBuy either :P |
| 16:11.07 | syberghost | No loss there. |
| 16:13.13 | pcj | do you even have internet there winkiller |
| 16:13.27 | winkiller | no, I'm in your mind |
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| 16:16.03 | sacarasc | there's no internet in pcj's mind? |
| 16:16.10 | sacarasc | i'm not gonna holiday there then |
| 17:05.22 | foxlit | $a = array('foo'); $b = $a; $b[0] = 'bar'; print($a[0]); |
| 17:05.24 | foxlit | I wonder! |
| 17:06.08 | foxlit | "Array assignment always involves value copying."... at the every end of the PHP array ref :/ |
| 17:11.29 | g0urra | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Portal_talk:World_of_Warcraft&curid=163865&diff=1724865&oldid=1714579&rcid=1715379 |
| 17:11.31 | g0urra | huh |
| 17:12.04 | pcj | most curious |
| 17:12.13 | pcj | the individual is demanding that he be screwed |
| 17:12.40 | pcj | also he requires instruction in the proper use of subst in signatures |
| 17:33.38 | Fisker- | y hello thar pcj |
| 17:33.50 | pcj | fisker- why so smelly |
| 17:33.50 | Charitwo | ~fisker- |
| 17:33.51 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, fisker- is the resident Pokemon expert |
| 17:33.59 | Fisker- | why so hebrew pcj ? |
| 17:34.18 | pcj | why so danish fisker |
| 17:34.52 | Fisker- | You might as well ask "Why so awesome fisker?" pcj |
| 17:35.06 | Charitwo | never trust a dane |
| 17:38.14 | pcj | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081230/ap_on_re_us/video_voyeurism |
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| 18:24.06 | KanadiaN | is GetGuildInfo() usable at "PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD"? |
| 18:26.16 | Ose | ask in #w |
| 18:26.25 | Ose | #wowuidev |
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| 20:02.28 | pcj | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Fashion |
| 20:02.34 | pcj | why so fashionable Fisker- |
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| 22:02.18 | Adys | happy new year to all, from athens |
| 22:03.41 | pcj | hooray |
| 22:03.47 | pcj | whats it like in 2009 |
| 22:03.51 | pcj | are there flying cars |
| 22:04.21 | Adys | yeah |
| 22:04.30 | pcj | cool |
| 22:06.11 | Sky2042_afk | chuckles. |
| 22:48.52 | pcj | http://www.seis.utah.edu/req2webdir/recenteqs/Maps/Yellowstone.html |
| 22:49.33 | pcj | http://www.wowt.com/home/headlines/36909299.html |
| 22:49.42 | pcj | "It began with a middle-aged man leaving the plane's lavatory covered in his own feces" |
| 22:53.53 | pcj | http://blogs.reuters.com/oddly-enough/2007/11/26/what-youve-never-seen-underwear/ |
| 22:59.46 | pcj | http://www.reuters.com/article/lifestyleMolt/idUSTRE4BP18P20081226 |
| 23:01.20 | robo\afk | Happy New Year from Denmark :D |
| 23:02.55 | pcj | hooray |
| 23:03.01 | pcj | whats it like in 2009 in denmark |
| 23:03.05 | pcj | do they have the internet |
| 23:08.14 | Sky2042_afk | just irc, by the looks of it. |
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| 23:11.32 | Charitwo | hai g0urra |
| 23:13.06 | g0urra | happy new years, and stuff |
| 23:13.12 | g0urra | (no I don't care if you're americans or brits) |
| 23:16.38 | Fisker- | Hey g0urra my friend |
| 23:22.38 | Eraclito | happy new hic |
| 23:22.44 | Eraclito | from hic |
| 23:22.46 | Eraclito | italy |
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