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00:25.30kd3nah
00:26.12kd3it's easier for me to use the firefox extension "It's all text" and have it proc a gvim window when I ask it to
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02:08.31Eraclitolol
02:08.42Eraclitoi was boosting a my friend's alt
02:08.47Eraclitoin sunken temple
02:08.57X3If I talk about bots will i get banned
02:09.16Eraclitowe killed shade of eranikus, and lots lots lots of green dragons aggroed
02:10.31pcjyeah they do that
02:11.35Eraclitoit was cool that i was able to kill the boss before any dragonkin may enter the room
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02:19.33AmyFairchildHi. :x
02:19.44AmyFairchildCan I ask for help using the WoW wiki?
02:19.58Adyswhat do you need?
02:20.11AmyFairchildI want to upload a picture of Valeera from the Wrath event in Stormwind.
02:20.41Adyshttp://wowwiki.com/Image:Valeera-wrath.jpg
02:20.58Adysclick that and you should have an upload link
02:21.02AmyFairchildThank you.
02:21.26AmyFairchildShould I call it another name in case she doesn't stay? Like Valeera-Stormwind or something?
02:21.42Adysdoesnt matter
02:22.18AmyFairchildk
02:23.18AmyFairchildThanks very much.
02:25.44AmyFairchildhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Valeera_Sanguinar#Wrath_of_the_Lich_King How's that?
02:27.06Adysjesus shes a hooker
02:27.31Adysand er yea doesnt matter really dont worry about it
02:27.40AmyFairchildk xD
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02:30.58AmyFairchildThank you. */salute*
02:31.41pcji'd do 'er
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02:52.40mxsAdys: the installer patched your US install ?
02:52.44mxsare you SURE ?
02:53.05Adyspretty sure
02:53.12AdysIm sleeping though
02:53.39Eraclitoowww valeera looks so cute, as a child
02:53.50Adys[04:30:20] <@pcj> i'd do 'er
02:53.54Adysnight
03:15.26mxsenUS installer on torrents now
03:22.42pcjis a link on your site mxs
03:28.20opantdie frostwyrms die
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03:46.50pcjstop it crucially
03:56.16cruciallystop what?
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05:08.54pcjthat'll teach stormwind to build a harbor
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05:33.30EraclitoThrall fights and loses to Garrosh <- zomg
05:33.57kd3sigh. the horde version is so much more awesome than the alliance version
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05:47.22Eraclito[06:33:57] <kd3> sigh. the horde version is so much more awesome than the alliance version <- it's so true
05:47.31Eraclitobut we have broll who shapeshift
05:47.47Eraclitoand his shapeshift buff has a expire time =P
05:47.57Eraclito"time remaining 3 mins"
05:48.05Eraclitoand... ... <.<
05:48.17Eraclitovaleera has a energy bar. like the players.
05:48.39Eraclitonot like the other "warrior icon" npcs
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05:50.28kd3there's a bunch of mobs with energy bars in northrend
05:51.52Eraclitocool
05:52.00Eraclito<- not in the beta
05:52.12Eraclito<- in the ptr for two days, when gnomes were bugged
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06:17.24BunnyOH hai
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06:20.06BunnyCome on, not everyone is idle
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07:54.42X3Did Thrall die?
07:55.52KabakaMany times. D:
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08:26.20X3In the lore, did Thrall die?
08:32.45X3Ok, just watched the fight, Thrall didnt die
08:32.48X3just got in a duel and lost
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12:14.35Eraclitow00t new headphones and mouse :>
12:14.52Eraclitothe previous mouse wheel was *bad*
12:15.09Eraclitoi had to roll it about 20sec for zoom out
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13:15.40pcjhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/10/AR2008111000586_pf.html
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14:16.44|nudave|hmm, would it be worth it to complete some quests in SMV and then turn them in before going to northrend?
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15:12.28Fisker-y so srs mxs ?
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15:24.31X3So there is some conflict between Thrall and Hellscream
15:27.33syberghostDon't set foot in Orgrimmar if you know what's good for you; at least, not in the Valley of Lag, formerlly the Valley of Honor.
15:27.43X3Haha
15:27.51centrixlol
15:27.52X3I had to check out the event that happenede
15:27.53syberghostI'm calling them Lagdragons.
15:28.00X3Aka wyrms
15:28.10syberghostOoooh, Lagwyrms, that's nice.
15:28.16X3nice. Good teamwork
15:29.15X3Anyone read the novels?
15:29.22syberghostAll I've read is Rise of the Horde.
15:29.26syberghostRead that last week.
15:29.34X3That one is really good
15:29.38syberghostAnd I started on the comics last month.
15:29.51X3I've read about 7 of em
15:29.59X3I need to read more, they are all way good so far
15:32.01syberghostI'm going to sign up for my county library's ebook system, see if any are online that way.
15:32.13syberghostI bought Rise of the Horde from mobipocket.com.
15:32.33syberghostI rarely buy dead tree editions anymore.
15:34.07foxlitIf it's not made from dead trees, it's not worth buying!
15:35.18X3I want live tree books!
15:35.26X3syberghost: did you like that book?
15:35.48syberghostYes, very much.
15:36.08syberghostfoxlit: the most beatiful thing about a tree is what you can make after you kill it.
15:36.10X3I found it very interesting how the horde started out.
15:36.11opantdamn, wish our library system had an e-book section
15:36.25X3and how they became corrupted
15:36.31syberghostopant: they can easily get one, simply by signing up with netlibrary.com.
15:36.38syberghostYou might bring that site to their attention.
15:36.43opantit would actually provide me an excuse to buy a ebook reader :)
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15:36.53syberghostMy ebook reader is my phone.
15:36.59syberghostSo I ALWAYS have books with me.
15:37.03syberghostI've got three on it right now.
15:38.29opantthe screen on mine isn't large enough for my eyesight :(
15:40.05syberghostMake the font bigger.  So you gotta change pages more often, you get used to it quickly.
15:46.54mxsso apparently the wotlk install cd contains everything you need to play -- no prior installation required
15:47.01mxserr dvd
15:47.02X3Really now?
15:47.06X3That is good!
15:47.14X3Reinstalling was a bitch.
15:47.22mxsgonna test that in a minute, but that is what I was told
15:47.46centrixyou already have the install DVD?
15:48.08mxslet's say I have the image
15:48.21centrixnice
15:48.26mxssend a tell if you need it :P
15:48.47X3Nice
15:49.11X3It comes out in 2 days huh
15:49.29centrixhow big is the image?
15:49.44X39GB?
15:50.38syberghostLet's not say you have it.  Let's just wink and nudge a lot.
15:50.40mxs8
15:50.48sacarascbout time they did it on a dvd, all them CDs are annoying
15:50.53X3Agreed.
15:51.01opantwinks
15:51.02mxssacarasc: let's say I know a guy who knows a guy
15:51.09X3nudges
15:51.24mxs<-- in Germany, playing on US realms. Of course that guy is gonna be proactive.
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15:51.33syberghostA wink's as good as a nod to a blind bat, ay what.
15:51.46X3Ugh, I need to go buy it..
15:51.52centrixyeah it's already out on torrent sites as well
15:52.05centrixnot like bliz will care they offer it for download
15:52.05mxsbut really, if you need the image, that guy I know who knows that guy might know how to help you.
15:52.12syberghostX3: I *NEVER* do this, but I'm going to be there at BestBuy at midnight Thursday in my Horder shirt, geeking out with all the kids.
15:52.26X3Hahahaha
15:52.36Fisker-confirmed mxs
15:52.38X3Its fun actually
15:52.41syberghostI haven't stood in a long line for something since Journey was still in the top 10.
15:52.45centrixheh I just go 2 walmart...not as crowded
15:52.57syberghostBestBuy is going to have a massive event.
15:53.02X3I might get mine at walmart
15:53.18syberghostPosters, energy drinks, PCs set up to play, everybody wearing their faction gear; the works.
15:53.22centrixheh my wife got it for my while i was at work
15:53.39syberghostI'm taking Thursday and Friday off but still paying the nanny to pick up the kids from school.  :)
15:53.41centrixshe said she walked in got the collectors edition and walked right back out
15:54.10X3I want the collectors edition
15:54.15X3Do they have it at walmart?
15:54.21syberghostAlthough anybody who logs onto those PCs to play and doesn't have an Authenticator is an idiot.
15:54.37centrixyup
15:54.49X3centrix: was that up directed at me
15:54.58X3yup*
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15:58.50X3Dang. all servers are down
16:00.15syberghostmxs broke them with his HAX
16:00.29X3slaps mxs
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16:05.50mxsapparently some 7-11 sold wotlk already
16:06.05sacarascmxs: why do you play WoW on US servers?
16:06.17sacarascdo you really hate us europeans that much?
16:06.29Fisker-can it be no shit tiems?
16:06.39mxsBecause some numbnut at Blizzard promised, twice, in press releases, that I could play on EU realms with EU friends after release.
16:06.45mxsWhatever happened to that ...
16:06.49syberghostOh, shit; I'm going to walk to 7-11 at lunch then, see if they're doing it here.
16:07.20Fisker-teehee mxs :D
16:07.20mxssacarasc: and US got released 3 months earlier :)
16:07.26Fisker-i don't get it though
16:07.32X3I think EU and US should play together
16:07.43Fisker-i can see absolutely no reason why they shouldn't allow one to transfer region
16:07.44mxsX3: as do I. Especially since it was a cold, hard promise.
16:07.50mxsWell, a cold, hard lie.
16:07.58X3Yea
16:08.01mxsFisker-: accounting nutjobs, probably
16:08.18X3I think the whole thing is set up as 2 different systems
16:08.22X3different servers
16:08.23mxswhich I could care less about. Since that statement, I don't believe any Blizzard promises. They played that card.
16:08.26X3account info and stuff
16:08.33mxsnot a big problem
16:08.33sacarasci don't want americans on my server, bad enough with the british
16:08.45mxssacarasc: you wouldn't get Americans
16:08.56mxsyou would get New Zealanders and South Africans :)
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16:09.59opantI dont want the europeans on my server!
16:10.05opantneener :p
16:10.06Fisker-They also already transfer accounts X3
16:10.14Fisker-They even made the loginserver able to handle different regions
16:10.27Fisker-there's really no excuse
16:10.40Fisker-but perhaps it means they might do it with the blizzard account
16:10.43Fisker-stuff
16:10.48Fisker-still, way too late
16:11.14Fisker-Infact they might as well make a intro for the region transfers
16:11.20Fisker-"Hell, it's about time"
16:11.55sacaraschehe
16:11.58Fisker-Noone can possibly have conceive what i did there
16:12.04Fisker-+d
16:12.20Fisker-fresh and unexpected
16:13.19X3=)
16:13.21Fisker-still need 150 quests
16:13.25Fisker-and i only got tomorrow :E
16:13.47Fisker-= your fault mxs
16:14.18sacarascwhen in doubt, blame the germans, Fisker-?
16:14.18X3slaps mxs
16:15.00Fisker-indeed sacarasc
16:15.23X3Illidan is frickin retarded, he forgot I'm a boyscout
16:15.26X3I AM FUCKING PREPARED
16:15.43sacarasclol
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16:16.27centrixlol
16:16.35centrixsadly i nvr seen Illidan
16:16.53sacarascwith the recent nerfs, centrix, you should get to see him
16:17.18sacarascbefore the nerfs, my guild was 3 or 4/9 in BT, that week we cleared it
16:17.30X3Its ok, I havent seen him either
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16:17.39mxswhat, you didn't clear kj ? :>
16:17.51sacarascmy guild is scared of SWP
16:17.51mxsthere are scrubs running around with thoridal now
16:18.12sacarasci wanna go there to upgrade my helm and offhand
16:18.21sacarascyay trash drops
16:18.31centrixheh we been doing pug BT's on Malorne now but still everyone gets tired before we make it to Illidan
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16:37.40X3Someone spam me with PMs when the servers come back up
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16:41.38X3_info
16:45.36bamaboy`i was hopeing dell would sell wowlk since i have a giftcard.....
16:45.39bamaboy`they sell bc and prebc
16:45.52bamaboy`not wraith though it seems
16:52.05syberghostWell, good news and bad news; 7-11 here does in fact have a shelf display of WotLK "empty box - take me to register".
16:52.11syberghostBut when you get there, they don't have the game yet.
16:52.22syberghostI bitched them out for having it on the shelf.
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17:06.56Fisker-lol
17:06.58Fisker-Copyright 2008 by grindkings.net . All downloads are saved on servers located in europe, we do not host the files at this site.
17:07.13Fisker-I'm wondering if they're selling a link to TPB for €20 ololol
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17:13.16centrixheh i'm workin on downloading an iso
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17:25.59pcjhttp://www.twentyfifthnovember.com/
17:26.01pcj*fapfapfap*
17:30.18Oseoooold
17:31.54Adyser
17:31.55Adysmxs
17:31.56Adysping
17:32.08pcjits a trap
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17:37.56mxsAdys: plonk
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17:43.43Tuqui-tuquihello o/
17:43.46Tuqui-tuquiI have a question
17:44.11Tuqui-tuquiI created a page, but how do I get rid of the Contents box
17:44.58Tuqui-tuquithe question should be how do I remove the Contents box
17:45.01Tuqui-tuquiengrish ftl
17:45.44pcj__NOTOC__
17:46.10Tuqui-tuquiwould that go on the very top of the page?
17:46.17pcjanywhere
17:46.19Tuqui-tuquikk
17:46.21Tuqui-tuquithank you :>
17:46.51Tuqui-tuquiit worked! \o/
17:47.26mxsanybody got the wotlk enUS dvd in-hand ?
17:47.41pcjwhy
17:47.42mxsgonna need the mac installer parts if at all possible :>
17:47.55pcji've been using it as a coaster for the past week
17:48.04mxsyou suck ! :P
17:49.41mxsbrb, shower
17:50.25mxshttp://a.wirebrain.de/wow/checksum/fileset/255 <-- there's the checksums
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18:02.59pcjhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1084723/Couple-arrested-having-sex-crowded-train.html
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18:04.51pcjhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1084741/Ryanair-flies-storm-sexist-charity-calendar-featuring-scantily-clad-cabin-crew.html
18:16.43mxs"'If there had been men in the calendar I'm sure there would have been no controversy.'"
18:16.47mxsbwahahahaa
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18:20.21syberghostAnd no sales.
18:22.18pcjidk fisker might buy them out
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18:40.52bamaboy`.
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18:43.51Fisker-i hate you pcj
18:44.09pcjyou would
18:44.13pcji represent everything you loathe
18:44.30pcjheterosexual man
18:44.53Fisker-no
18:45.07Fisker-You're putting >:3 into my mouth
18:45.23bamaboy`some of the servers are up
18:45.41Fisker-like the EU servers
18:45.42Fisker-hoho
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18:45.52bamaboy`mines up oO
18:46.02pcjthat's what she said
18:46.09bamaboy`indeed
18:46.11Fisker-stupid timbermaw
18:46.38Fisker-You can obviously see the tunnel behind the gate to timbermaw hold has collapsed
18:46.41Fisker-yet they still guard it
18:46.46Fisker-like there's something to guard
18:46.54bamaboy`cant fix stupid :/
18:46.55pcjobviously it is the timbermaw equivalent of area 51
18:47.02bamaboy`obviously
18:47.05pcji suspect the draenei also crashed there
18:47.15bamaboy`we need some shady satelite photos to confirm
18:52.20bamaboy`got some reports of mail being erased oO
18:53.15bamaboy`ah they are rebooting again lol
19:02.46syberghostFurbies aren't hired based on their IQ.
19:04.33pcjin soviet russia pudding spoons you
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19:08.02bamaboy`d
19:14.09mxsyepp, only two of the 12 war bears in my mail survived.
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19:15.29Osewat?
19:15.45centrixur server up?
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19:17.00Oseof course my server is up
19:17.07Osewhy shouldn't it be?
19:17.22bamaboy`mine wasy they rebotted it due to peoples mail and ah stuff missing lol
19:17.34g0urrawait what
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19:17.55bleetermissing, or just not cached and latency causing a realm crash?
19:18.10bamaboy`crushridge wa sup until they discoverred mail and ah stuff was mia lol
19:18.19bamaboy`id imagine it was a caching issue or something
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19:18.53bleeteroh, yer right... look at the /alert! hah
19:19.14bleeterWe are investigating an issue with the mail system and continuing maintenance on all realms.  We currently have no estimate on when realm will be playable.  Thank you for your patience.
19:19.34bleeter10/10 for the spelling check, blizz
19:19.44bleeterminus several bajizillion for missing the grammar check as well
19:19.54centrixheh y'd they bring em up 2 shut em down again lol
19:20.02AlienCatdoes anyone know for sure what's gonna happen to the badges system?
19:20.23centrixi believe there will be new badges @ lvl 80
19:20.30Osewell duh
19:20.33bamaboy`ya completely new system
19:21.04AlienCatso basically spend them before the expansion comes out or wait till you're 80? :)
19:21.09Osespend
19:21.52AlienCatwhen exactly does this start? i need 15 more badges for something and i wanna make sure i dont miss out
19:21.52Ose[[Badge of Justice]] is for TBC, [[Emblem of Heroism]] (I think) is for WotLK
19:21.53DottedOse meant: www.wowwiki.com/Badge_of_Justice, www.wowwiki.com/Emblem_of_Heroism
19:22.17Oseyou can't buy any 80 gear for BoJs, k?
19:22.45bleeterAlienCat: when do BoJ's start in BC? Prolyl a clue there ;)
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19:22.57AlienCatno i mean i want to grind the heroics before the expansion comes out i just want to knwo the exact hour it all goes away
19:23.09Osethey don't go away
19:23.18bamaboy`you just cant use them to buy level 80 gear
19:23.39AlienCatoh so i can still do lvl 70 content and get lvl 70 gear from them even after the exp goes online?
19:23.40Osesome people aren't goingto get WotLK straight away, they should still get to go grind badges and get better gear, right?
19:23.44Oseyes
19:23.53bamaboy`ya
19:23.56AlienCatyay sweet :D thats what i was worried about
19:24.25bamaboy`lol you know some tech is pissed right now
19:24.32bamaboy`says their ready to turn on the servers everythings fine
19:24.33AlienCat?
19:24.35bamaboy`it boots.... no mail lol
19:24.46bleeterI'm transferring all my 40-60 toons to my2nd account, then gunna level my mains to 80 on my wrath account, then go dual box BC content for alt badges
19:24.49AlienCatlol who needs mail :P
19:24.51bamaboy`he cries in the corner for a while and begs the server to work
19:25.04bleeterand hopefully own a bunch of levelling DK's in hellfire
19:25.16bleeteri'ma gunna camp that zone so hard ><
19:25.20bamaboy`the biggest issue facing dks is how to run ramps with five dks oO
19:25.51Tekkubfive?
19:25.51bleeterbamaboy`: particularly with bastards like me camping the doors ><
19:25.51TekkubI did it with two!
19:25.51bamaboy`lol
19:25.51AlienCatlol
19:25.55bleeterTekkub: @ lvl 58?
19:25.56bamaboy`true you will make it an issue bleeter
19:25.58bleeteru lie! :P
19:25.59Tekkub61
19:26.11Tekkubwas a lil slow going, but got through the first boss
19:26.18bleeterhehe
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19:28.19bleetermy guild and I spent last night working out our camping/questing/instancing rotations
19:28.28bleeteraye, we're gunna be real bastards ><
19:28.32bamaboy`lol
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19:33.05mxsso blizzard fuxxored the database
19:33.12bamaboy`hosed im sure lol
19:33.15X3How so
19:33.22bamaboy`they ate everyones mail
19:33.31bamaboy`id imagine a mail/ah system upgrade did not go as planned oO
19:33.34X3My server came back up
19:33.38X3then went down 5 minutes later
19:33.46bamaboy`its bc everyones mail was mia
19:35.22pcjur mom went down
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19:48.29Kabaka[A]Haha: http://tinyurl.com/6dr3x2
19:50.17Ose"And then the Horde gets lost at sea and dies. The Lich King overruns the Alliance. The World of Warcraft ends. Good job, guys. You blew it."
19:50.26syberghostThis is why Thrall lost.
19:51.03pcjooooold
19:51.26syberghostur mom is ooooold
19:52.05X3Ose:  hahahah
19:52.50syberghost"Also, could somebody run to 7/11 and buy a new map? This thing still has the USSR on it. And make sure you get one with Northrend, yeah?"  <- win
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19:57.09pantomimehorsehai lol
19:57.14Strawberryfur3Hey!
19:57.28Strawberryfur3See barley anyone talks!
19:57.50X3That would be rockin if they released another smaller continent besides northrend in the exp without telling anyone
19:58.08Oseheh
19:58.12pantomimehorsetotally lol
19:58.27g0urraStrawberryfur3: not when you're just joining, no...
19:58.36pantomimehorseXD
19:58.49pantomimehorsehai g0urra
19:58.58pantomimehorselong time no see lol
19:58.59Osesome noob can't afford getting from kalimdor to EK, but thinks he can't afford the boat, then goes swimming
19:59.08pantomimehorseXD
19:59.15Osesuddenly he sees this island...
19:59.17X3Are yall horde or ally
19:59.37pantomimehorsemostly alliance
19:59.38pcjyes
19:59.45X3I'm ally
19:59.57X3WTF, so the king of SW is bad ass right
20:00.06pantomimehorseum
20:00.07X3Then how the hell did he get captured by the defias
20:00.13X3I killed them when I was level 20
20:00.26g0urraHe wasn't badass back then
20:00.33X3Guess not
20:01.08pantomimehorselol
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20:06.40mxsit was 20000 defias and the lagmonster got him
20:09.09g0urraWHAT 20000?!
20:15.06pcjnerf lagmonster
20:18.55syberghost20000?  That can't be right!
20:41.27Fisker-haxes mxs
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20:55.38mxs"extended" maintenance.
20:55.45mxsupdate on when that will be done "in a few hours".
20:55.58mxsSeems the WotLK server jojo has started
20:56.15Osealrite!
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20:56.58mxsbets on when the account management site will go belly-up ?
20:57.10mxswill it be during the night, or when people wake up to their UPS parcels ?
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23:17.34|Pixel|indeed
23:17.37Fisker-:O
23:17.40|Pixel|grats for living under a rock :P
23:17.49Fisker-np
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23:17.59Adys~congratulate Fisker- for having sex regularly with a rock
23:18.00infobotACTION congratulates Fisker- for having sex regularly with a rock on being a new owner of a $500 brick.
23:18.08Fisker-lol
23:18.11mxs|Pixel|: so I can direct all my misguided hatred at you now ? Rock on !
23:18.11Fisker-only heard you got a new job within blizzard not that it was in the US :P
23:18.14Tsurphrwhoah sweet
23:18.17Adysa $500 brick?
23:18.20Adyshot
23:18.24A2hi, somebody knows if it's possible to buy a woltk key online (without buying an useless box) ?
23:18.31bleeternope
23:18.32mxsA2: no
23:18.32mxsnot yet
23:18.33Fisker-not from Blizzard anyways
23:18.36A2 :(
23:18.39A2so sad
23:18.47Adys|Pixel|: http://devcub.com/~adys/crash4.png
23:18.47Fisker-But |Pixel| you were saying about the CE upgrades? :P
23:18.56Adys1-4, halp, someone :(
23:19.32|Pixel|Fisker-: hm ?
23:19.49Fisker-oh my bad
23:19.50mxs|Pixel|: would you mind lighting a fire below the behinds of the guys responsible for the downloadable installer ? I'll provide the matches :P
23:19.58Fisker-didn't read the last part about them being incompetent
23:20.03pcji'll provide the nitroglycerine
23:20.09|Pixel|mxs: ha ha ha ha, with great pleasure :P
23:20.31Tsurphrpixel is blizzard emp?
23:20.39mxs|Pixel|: if it helps, tell em that the disorganized pirates on the interwebz were able to do what they could not about 3 days before release :P
23:20.54|Pixel|I'll hint you about something:
23:20.54mxsMaybe it'll sting a little
23:21.10|Pixel|the fact that wotlk isn't downloadable isn't a technical issue
23:21.14mxsI know
23:21.27|Pixel|it's a "trick" so that most people will need to take time to get the box, install the disc, etc
23:21.28pcjis it an ethical issue?
23:21.35Fisker-I thought it was more of a political issue :E
23:21.35pcjweak
23:21.43pcjjust make the download take longer
23:21.45mxsIt would just be nice if the community reps would not treat everybody as little children who cannot understand why downloadable installers and online keys are not being sold
23:21.45|Pixel|so that we don't have X million people trying to connect to the server at the exact release time
23:21.49Adysit was so obvious it'd get leaked
23:22.09mxs|Pixel|: Is that the official internal party line ? :)
23:22.10Adyspretty lame for people running for serverfirsts tho D:
23:22.18|Pixel|mxs: that's my wild guess
23:22.18mxs|Pixel|: since I can think of another reason
23:22.32mxsa reason that has a lot of $$$ behind it
23:22.44|Pixel|yeah well
23:22.53|Pixel|distributors don't like digital game sellings
23:22.56|Pixel|that's for sure as well
23:23.08Tsurphrthat is the most likely story
23:23.08Fisker-<PROTECTED>
23:23.09Fisker-hoho
23:23.20mxsWalMart, Best Buy, GameStop, etc. don't want to be cut out of the loop and could threaten not to market, say, Diablo 3 or Starcraft 2 as aggressively if they don't get their wotlk-pie-part
23:23.23pcj*activision blizzard
23:23.27Adysyou can make it downloadable without selling a key online
23:23.28Adysbut meh
23:23.34|Pixel|both stories are quite true
23:23.39Fisker-i refuse it pcj
23:23.50pcjI REFUSE YOU PIKACHU
23:23.56Fisker-but Vivendi got burned pretty badly by Valve
23:24.08mxs|Pixel|: if I were a real asshole I could make sure 80% of the people have the installer by tomorrow :>
23:24.09Adyswhat?
23:24.19Fisker-Valve made Steam
23:24.30Fisker-Vivendi got pissed as hell as it circumvented their income
23:24.41|Pixel|mxs: you mean, linking more broadly the torrents that already exists ?
23:24.44Fisker-Valve won because Vivendi = retards and signed away their rights themself
23:24.52mxsFisker-: and yet, Steam is still a steaming pile of ... uh, I think we discussed this already :P
23:25.00Tsurphrits not that the distributors would threaten to do anything, Blizzard already has an obligation
23:25.03Adysmxs: steam! Steaming! haha!
23:25.07Adyshum.
23:25.09mxs|Pixel|: no, linking the CoBlitz link on wow forums
23:25.15bleeterAdys: u r steaming
23:25.19Adysho ho ho
23:25.23|Pixel|co-what ?
23:25.37mxshttp://coblitz.codeen.org/someotherURL
23:25.43Fisker-you may disagree about the DRM mxs but it really is quite sucessful
23:25.45mxsit's a free CDN for research purposes
23:26.03mxsI just need to add my proper patch mirror URL for the wotlk installer there and a gazillion people can download that 8gb rar file :)
23:26.15Fisker-research purposes :)?
23:26.45mxscoblitz and coral are research CDNs, yeah
23:26.52TsurphrAll I wanna do right now is get my ass online so I can grind some more defilers rep .. 9k til Conqueror!
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23:27.03Fisker-what's your link to the the WotLK iso mxs ?
23:27.50mxs|Pixel|: same CDN I must've pumped a couple dozen thousand beta downloads through (judging by the viewcount on the mirror thread in the beta tech support forum :)
23:28.04mxsFisker-: not a link I'm gonna link in here until Blizzard releases the official torrents
23:28.16Fisker-awright :E
23:28.17Tsurphrok I have a question .. will achievements ever amount to squat?  besides titles and ugly mounts
23:28.26mxsTsurphr: there are rumours
23:28.26|Pixel|mah ha
23:28.27pcjyou can also get tabards!
23:28.28mxsbut no
23:28.47mxsyou also get a fully-measurable epeen
23:28.54Adysi heard you can get pvp gear with achievement points
23:29.00Adysand since Im +o in this room it must be true
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23:29.10pcjwhat
23:29.13Fisker-wat?
23:29.18mxsAdys also heard that pcj is cool
23:29.25mxsmake of that what you will
23:29.37Adysqq
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23:29.51X3I dont care about the mail
23:29.54X3lemme frickin play
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23:30.10AdysThe hell
23:30.19Fisker-btw Adys
23:30.20pcjohohoho
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23:30.31Fisker-did the Alliance bother to find a map with Northrend on it?
23:30.33Fisker-http://i36.tinypic.com/v4z8nt.jpg
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23:30.42Fisker-"Lets attack Northrend"
23:30.45Fisker-"Great idea, here's the map"
23:30.50Fisker-"Where's Northrend?"
23:30.51Fisker-:E
23:31.01mxs|Pixel|: do you know what the plans for the battle.net account are ? i.e. will existing Blizzard.com accounts tie into there ? (the ones you can currently attach your sc, d2, w3 keys to :)
23:31.11mxsoh, and here's some more tinder for that fire
23:31.20Fisker-won't it be the same?
23:31.23|Pixel|:D
23:31.24Adysarent battlenet and blizzard accounts the same?
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23:31.30|Pixel|that's an internal chit chat
23:31.36|Pixel|"that's blizzard accounts!
23:31.42mxsAdys: I have no idea, I have not seen the battle.net-account referred to as blizz account
23:31.45|Pixel|-nah, we should name them battle.net accounts, that sounds better!
23:31.49|Pixel|-nah blizzard!
23:31.54|Pixel|-nah, battle.net!
23:31.55|Pixel|etc...
23:32.02mxsah.
23:32.08pcjwhy not just call them activision blizzard accounts
23:32.13|Pixel|that as well
23:32.17AdysNo Actiblizzard !
23:32.21Tsurphrwhy not call them donuts
23:32.24|Pixel|or blizzvision
23:32.26Tsurphrmmm donuts
23:32.31Fisker-btw |Pixel|
23:32.34Adysactiblizzion.net accounts!
23:32.36Fisker-oh wait
23:32.37Fisker-i just forgot
23:32.41mxsmaybe the internal chitchat should be directed at making the D2, W3, SC cd keys not just work for one locale. (I can download enGB D2 only, need a second key for deDE ... Same for all the other games :)
23:32.42AdysEVERYONE HAPPY
23:32.43Fisker-you don't want people connecting at midnight
23:32.48Fisker-so my idea is horrible :D
23:32.53|Pixel|xD
23:32.59Fisker-Adys agreed though!
23:33.05mxsAcctiblizziocraftnet account Deluxe CE 2.0
23:33.11|Pixel|mxs: that's a commercial decision to make it this way
23:33.13foxlitmxs: that's a feature!
23:33.17|Pixel|I asked my people the same question
23:33.44Fisker-oh yeah
23:33.50Fisker-I got all of my games locked for US besides one
23:33.54Fisker-enUS
23:34.02Fisker-Asked some guy to fix it for me
23:34.03|Pixel|I got them locked for enGB
23:34.03Tsurphrworldofactiblizzioncraftbattle.net
23:34.06mxs|Pixel|: what is the commercial decision behind it ? The game exists, the localizations exist, and people are not bloody likely to buy a second key just to play in ad ifferent language
23:34.11Fisker-he said he would get back to me
23:34.15|Pixel|mxs: seems they do...
23:34.15Fisker-about half a year ago :P
23:34.40foxlitmxs: people are not bloody likely to want to play in a different language, either.
23:34.50AdysWhat?
23:34.52mxs|Pixel|: I would like to have a phone chat with the person in charge. I shall have to have the ability to have you smack them on their head at a time of my choosing during that conversation :P
23:34.55Adysyou kidding foxlit ?
23:35.07mxsfoxlit: I don't know, I switch between German and English every now and then :)
23:35.10|Pixel|mxs: seems you want this device...
23:35.15bleeteras I've always said, the whole US/EU split smells to me of being an Oracle limitation back when they started designing the game
23:35.21mxs|Pixel|: the one that makes you rich if you invent it ? :)
23:35.38Fisker-what you say bleeter ?
23:35.42Fisker-Licensing BS?
23:35.42bleeter'thou shal not have nodes in your cluster exceeding 200km's in distance' was, iirc, the O7 or O8 rule
23:35.47Fisker-:E
23:36.09bleeterhad to do some *real* fancy foo to get it further than that, and when Blizz were designing they never thought it'd be this popular
23:36.11Fisker-But i thought they used mySQL!
23:36.12|Pixel|digs through penny arcade
23:36.13Fisker-or MSSQL!
23:36.16bleeterso they didn't scale the original oracle for it
23:36.29bleeteryeah, changing DB vendors ain't an easy thing ;)
23:36.32mxs|Pixel|: and oh, I love that there are torrents for all those language-versions, too. You don't actually NEED the blizard downloader if you can get the torrent :>
23:36.41Fisker-:3
23:36.53bleetercompany I was with had all kinds of nightmares trying to get beyond that limit
23:37.11mxs(though the CDN links for SC/D2/W3/etc. are protected by a path+salt MD5 -- I have not tried to get around that, but I am so damn curious whether I could :>)
23:37.12|Pixel|can't find it... anyway
23:37.20|Pixel|the remote choker grip from penny arcade
23:37.31mxsah yeah :)
23:37.33bleetercourse,the 'proper' solution was to use something from a company like Tandem... :/
23:37.38Tsurphr|Pixel|: Blizzard stated that people would be "compensated" for all of the downtime from the 3.0 launch .. any clue what they are talking about?
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23:37.54mxsTsurphr: free game time
23:37.54bleeterwhich we couldn't afford, and prolly based on Blizz's original business plan, they wouldn't have been able to afford wither
23:37.57mxs3 days or so IIRFD
23:37.59mxserr IIRC
23:38.16Adys[01:36:18] <Tsurphr> -|Pixel|: Blizzard stated that people would be "compensated" for all of the downtime from the 3.0 launch .. any clue what they are talking about?
23:38.18bleeterto accounts in good standing
23:38.19Adys3 days free playtime
23:38.21Adysbeen announced
23:38.29bleeterif you were suspended recently, yer outta luck proly
23:38.40bleeteryeah, check yer account payment history, it should already be in there
23:38.41mxsYou don't really want to know how many mission critical systems of really, really big internet corporations RELY on mySQL
23:38.45mxscan't say anymore due to NDA
23:38.50Tsurphrkk
23:38.50Fisker-I got suspended for stealing a lot of candy corn :3
23:38.54pcjWHAT NDA
23:39.00pcjWHAT
23:39.04mxs:P
23:39.04pcjTHERE ISN'T AN NDA
23:39.07Adysthere is no nda
23:39.08mxsnone blizzard-related
23:39.09AdysFUCK YOU PCJ
23:39.11Adysgah
23:39.17pcjooooold
23:39.25mxsoh, the nda didn't specify I could not talk about the fact that there is an NDA :>
23:39.26bleeterI don't think mysql even HAD clustering back in the mid 90's
23:39.31TsurphrI figured they'd give everyone a free "Pwned by Blizzard" tabard in the mail or something instead
23:39.41mxsbleeter: I don't think it does, now. It's a hacky cludge.
23:39.49bleeterQ.E.D.
23:40.10bleeterbig replication and split brains and the like is one hell of a tough problem
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23:41.05mxs|Pixel|: but maybe a headsup to your downloader dev-team : if you really want to protect the SC2/W3/D2 downloads, you should have blizzard downloaders identify themselves to eachother so as to not allow, say, uTorrent, Azureus, etc. to leech the data off of them (without some work)
23:41.08Adysis there a list on wowwiki of "It put the x on the y" quotes in wow?
23:41.12Tsurphrnon disclosure for what?
23:41.21|Pixel|mxs: I *know*
23:41.30mxsbleeter: I know, I taught that for a couple of years :)
23:41.37mxsit's fun stuff though
23:41.37pcjdo you mean memes adys
23:41.41pcjbecause that sounds a lot like memes
23:41.43Adysno pcj
23:41.43mxswell, TA/taught :>
23:41.46|Pixel|I'm using utorrent all the time
23:41.47Fisker-From what i can see utorrent can get blizzard seeds anyways
23:41.51Adysi mean a list of "It put the x on the y" uses in wow
23:41.51|Pixel|because it's way more intelligent
23:41.53Adysliterally
23:42.04Fisker-atleast i can only get other clients when using the torrent and never the blizzard clients
23:42.04mxs|Pixel|: oh yes it is. I meant for the semi-protected ones though, not the wow patches
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23:42.25bleetermxs: ah :) yeah, the company I was involved in was ... making blackjack and stuff for casinos in europe. you can kinda get an idea of some of the issues we faced, and how my experience with that can be applied to observing Blizz ;)
23:42.38mxs|Pixel|: if you look at the Diablo 2 downloader, it has CDN-protection built-in (i.e. salted path + IP in cookie for CDN), but the downloader will happily talk to other torrentclients
23:42.56bleetermxs: we were selling to places (well, trying to) like Holland Casino, WestLotto (Germany), FDJ (France)... can't recall the Austrian place
23:42.57Fisker-bleeter "This is the 10th developer today that put in a backdoor!"
23:43.13bleeterbut these guys had real big redundancy issues 'coz we were dealing with real money and gaming
23:43.38mxs|Pixel|: and I think I sent in a detailed bug report on how to make the Blizzard torrent client a lot better, back when WoW got released. Detailed as in specific algorithm changes, specific features needed to make it better for most people, specific changes to improve performance, etc.
23:43.43mxsit went to the bitbucket
23:43.48bleeterpoker and stuff like that, single state.. easy as cake. multistate like blackjack... ugh
23:43.52mxsstill essentially the same bloody torrent engine :>
23:44.04g0urragood night
23:44.11bleetergnight g0urra, rest well mate :)
23:44.48mxsbleeter: yeah, it helps having people to yell at when stuff goes wrong
23:45.00mxswhen you buy an Oracle license and it breaks, you can yell at them
23:45.07mxs(and it will break, that is a given)
23:45.20Fisker-so wait wat
23:45.24bleeteryeah, and the Oracle folks would yell at each other, the company would yell at the oracle folks
23:45.39Fisker-You can upgrade non-ce->ce now with that new upgrade page?
23:45.41Fisker-Or just fail?
23:45.43bleeterme and the government regulators would find the 'local' Sun cluster expert and ring them up
23:45.54bleeterand invariably stuff would get fixed a lot faster that way
23:46.03bleeterfunny how people react to government regulators hehe
23:46.09mxstrue
23:46.36mxsthen again, it is very, very hard to beat mySQL in single-cluster performance without strict ACID
23:46.55Adyswhat
23:46.59bleeterRegulator: 'need to test failure such as A' me: 'erm, you don't want to test that.. it'll break.. and then there'll be $100,000 in replacement parts'.. Regulator: 'Really? Oh well, still gotta do it'
23:46.59mxsat least until you get into the range where you need to juggle more than 100 million rows
23:47.26bleeterseveral Sun E4500 backplanes later ... regulator: 'See, you were right, Good to know you know what you're on about'
23:47.34bleeterI ring Sun 'Big insurance claim incoming'
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23:47.53bleeterfun times, getting paid to blow stuff up :)
23:48.17bleeterand as it was at the direction of government regulators, I wasn't responsible =))
23:48.18Adysoh you're a fbi agent
23:48.22Adyslike my brother !
23:48.28mxsbleeter: the question is, how did YOU know it would blow up ? And who did you blame when you did it inadvertently before ? :>
23:48.49bleetermxs: i knew, 'coz I read the docs ;)
23:48.59mxsyou can't trust docs !
23:49.09mxsthey're written by the team-member who can't code !
23:49.10mxserr
23:49.10mxsuhm
23:49.32bleeter'multiple failures on the storage device is bad mojo if your system is configured like (how we had our stuff set up)'
23:49.48bleeterto paraphrase
23:50.21bleeterthe company had contracts with customers to only handle single failures... so i just knew it'd all go pear shaped 'cept for the fun of the smell of burned chips
23:50.27bleeterwasn't quite expecting that
23:51.00mxsI still love my first PC. I was 8 or 9 at the time. Bought it in a big chain store. Fun stuff ! Real nice ! Lots to explore !
23:51.01mxsNow, suppose youg give an 8-year old a computer
23:51.01mxssuppose that computer has buttons and switches
23:51.01mxssuppose one ofthose switches says "115" on the one side and "230" on the other
23:51.01mxssuppose said 8-year old flips said switch
23:51.24mxs(and luckily, suppose the seller / chain tech guys had no idea either and replaced the entire computer)
23:52.22X3I started my first website when I was 7
23:52.26mxswell, that is how I learned the difference between 115 volt and 230 volt electrical grids :>
23:52.30mxspre internet, too !
23:53.12mxsI took over the administration & buildout of the school computer network in 8th grade
23:53.23mxsit's fun being a geek with a general key to everything
23:53.48mxs(which you get after one day, the maintenance guys lock you into the tract the servers are in :>)
23:54.31bleeterI managed to accidentally break into my high school's file server
23:54.43bleeterfound one teacher had a whole lot of pirated s/w
23:55.00bleetertold the school principal, I got suspended for my troubles and the teacher got nought
23:55.37mxsI did a presentation once, on the efficacy of password-based authentication and user expectation. Practical component was a little Pascal program that mimicked the Novell Netware Login-screen and just showed an error message after the guys entered their passwords, jumping to the real login screen
23:55.58mxsoh yeah, do NOT let people in your school know about problems
23:56.01mxsit will ONLY bring you trouble.
23:56.37mxsSpent a year in Texas in 11th grade, accidentally found several gaping security holes (and by accidentally, I do mean accidentally -- typed telnet 10.1.10.1 instead of telnet 10.1.1.10)
23:56.53bleeteryeah, that was pretty much what I did
23:57.00mxsgot into unprotected main router of school district (and it turns out all the schools' routers were similarly unprotected)
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23:57.29mxsgot the teacher, called the district tech guys, and the verbatim response my teacher got was "Get that boy away from the computers. Never let him in the lab again."
23:58.14Fisker-I remember at my old school where i was getting some files on the shared network drive
23:58.21Fisker-I saw a lot of .eml files
23:58.32Fisker-Figured it was that worm that replicated a lot through those
23:58.42mxs(I checked later that year, that problem never got fixed; neither the subsequent more insidious problems -- the administration network and the student network shared a hub in common; the administration network contained an unpatched, old hp-ux 9 machine, which hosted all the grades, tardies, personal data, etc. on each of the students.
23:59.22Fisker-Found out i were right and told it to the sysadmin, he weren't even mad(atleast didn't show it), but then later the principal told me that one more incident like that and i would be out
23:59.26mxsThe year after I was there, they started teaching two Cisco courses, one of them entitled "Network Security". I wonder who the first guy to change their own grades was, and whether it ever got noticed.

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