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| 01:28.17 | jaxdahl | i'm skinning stuff. level 34 mob at 171 skill (requires 170 to skin), and it didn't level up to 172 |
| 01:28.21 | jaxdahl | is that normal? |
| 01:28.47 | jaxdahl | also happened with a 33 mob at 169 |
| 01:30.38 | kd3 | orange isn't 100%, but it is pretty close |
| 01:31.08 | jaxdahl | it's happening rather frequently on these raptors in stv |
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| 01:42.37 | AsoSako | Sup |
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| 01:43.40 | AsoSako | Can anyone send me a scroll of resurecction? |
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| 01:45.44 | kd3 | US/EU? |
| 01:47.11 | Corgan | lol |
| 01:48.06 | pcj | god damn it |
| 01:48.21 | pcj | it was US too judging by IP |
| 01:51.34 | Corgan | I got his email ._. |
| 01:51.41 | Corgan | I was going to send him one, but my account is inactive |
| 01:51.50 | pcj | gif |
| 01:51.59 | kd3 | I already sent him one. >.> |
| 01:52.05 | Corgan | tackles kd3 |
| 01:52.06 | pcj | oh |
| 01:52.55 | kd3 | whee... are we going to create articles for all of the glyphs? [[Inscription recipes]] |
| 01:52.55 | Dotted | kd3 meant: www.wowwiki.com/Inscription_recipes |
| 01:53.14 | pcj | yes... |
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| 02:42.19 | jaxdahl | kd3, i'm getting about 75% off orange skinning mobs |
| 02:42.24 | jaxdahl | doesn't seem right |
| 02:42.51 | jaxdahl | this is on beta |
| 02:43.10 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:43.25 | jaxdahl | i'll make a post probably |
| 02:43.32 | jaxdahl | see if anyone is noticing it too |
| 02:56.36 | pcj | http://blogoscoped.com/google-chrome/ |
| 02:56.42 | pcj | god, what an awesome comic |
| 02:58.08 | jaxdahl | kd3, 41% skillup rate on the last 34 orange mobs |
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| 03:04.36 | Eraclito | 12k rep timbermaw today... 400~ feathers, i still need 300 to exalted |
| 03:04.56 | Eraclito | i don't feel really well |
| 03:15.31 | jaxdahl | 22/55 so far |
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| 05:34.08 | crucially | any problem with wowwiki |
| 05:34.09 | crucially | tell me asap |
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| 06:11.12 | Bagginsww | ok who has beta? |
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| 06:26.22 | Bagginsww | is there someone on that has beta? |
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| 07:24.35 | Adys | Bagginsww: yes |
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| 10:08.11 | Adys | Any pro warrior around? |
| 10:15.45 | Dotted | no |
| 10:27.33 | Kalroth | I'm super pro! |
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| 10:37.38 | g0urra | 'morning |
| 10:37.55 | amro | sup g0urra |
| 10:38.22 | Fisker- | why so morning g0urra? |
| 10:42.25 | Fisker- | why so silent g0urra? |
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| 10:50.01 | amro | why so Fisker- Fisker-? |
| 10:52.36 | foxlit | This is turning into a pokemon spinoff |
| 10:52.42 | foxlit | Next we'll have |
| 10:52.49 | foxlit | <Fisker-> FISSSSSSSKEEEEEEER-------- |
| 10:53.10 | foxlit | and epileptic imagery to go with it. |
| 10:53.48 | Dotted | Fisker- has a penis, then again maybe not |
| 11:00.52 | Fisker- | >:3? |
| 11:01.25 | Fisker- | btw heard of chrome Adys ? |
| 11:01.29 | Adys | old |
| 11:02.26 | Adys | and yeah its gonna be awesome |
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| 11:09.36 | amro | wtb new keyboard |
| 11:24.31 | Kirkburn | Morning |
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| 11:36.18 | Fisker- | morning >:3 |
| 11:36.22 | Fisker- | go find spore :( |
| 11:39.47 | sacarasc | no spore for Fisker- |
| 11:41.09 | Corgan | why so spore Fisker- |
| 11:41.27 | Fisker- | why so questionable Corgan? |
| 11:41.42 | Corgan | why so sexy fisker |
| 11:42.00 | sacarasc | hah |
| 11:42.18 | Fisker- | >:3 |
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| 11:55.11 | Fisker- | g0urra why so gOurra? |
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| 12:53.35 | g0urra | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=WoWWiki_talk:Warcraft_pump&curid=91602&diff=1591915&oldid=1591836&rcid=1580502 |
| 12:53.42 | g0urra | Does this guy not know how to read? |
| 13:00.12 | pcj | anyone notice any problems with the main page redesign yet |
| 13:01.31 | mxs | pcj: inability to log in with Opera ? |
| 13:01.33 | mxs | *hides* |
| 13:02.23 | mxs | Ads inexplicably appearing over content in Opera ? :> |
| 13:02.38 | mxs | seems fine otherwise though |
| 13:03.00 | pcj | use google chrome, duh |
| 13:05.02 | mxs | I'm actually looking forward to Chrome |
| 13:05.11 | mxs | more competition == better incentive to do better :) |
| 13:05.32 | Lukian | <mxs> Ads inexplicably appearing over content in Opera ? :> |
| 13:05.46 | Lukian | that's actually been a flash/opera bug for quite some time |
| 13:06.56 | mxs | Lukian: interestingly, there is not a single other page I ever noticed it on :) |
| 13:07.07 | mxs | but from the way it appears, yeah, seems a layouting issue. |
| 13:07.07 | Lukian | mxs, heh amazing |
| 13:07.48 | mxs | not really, I block most ads by default :) |
| 13:08.14 | Lukian | same :p |
| 13:08.44 | mxs | especially when the webmasters can't bother to, you know, not lay them out over content :> |
| 13:09.14 | Lukian | or when you live in the internet 3rd world like Australia and have quotas which ads, particularly flash, like to chew through |
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| 13:10.23 | mxs | Surfing without cookies must be fun then |
| 13:10.37 | mxs | some sites still default to an infinite redirect loop in that case |
| 13:18.39 | Kirkburn | pcj, oh wow, didn't notice you'd done that :P |
| 13:20.08 | Kirkburn | Another layer of complexity for anyone wanting to copy us ;) |
| 13:20.18 | Kirkburn | Works well! |
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| 13:21.26 | Ose | nice work with the portals pcj |
| 13:22.00 | Kirkburn | ^_^ (just said the same) |
| 13:23.12 | Kirkburn | Although ... it looks like it buggers up previewing changes (I'll live) |
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| 13:26.10 | g0urra | I wonder if Rolandius has started to use his talk page as article talk page.. |
| 13:26.45 | Kirkburn | Yes, well, he doesn't have much choice |
| 13:27.08 | Kirkburn | Better than the admins getting emails from him |
| 13:27.17 | Ose | Kirkburn/pcj: when p:main is loaded with the url http://www.wowwiki.com /Main_page there's a tiny (1px) gap between the tabs and the content |
| 13:27.19 | g0urra | True |
| 13:27.23 | Ose | no biggie, just mentioning |
| 13:27.35 | Kirkburn | Ose, which browser? |
| 13:27.55 | Ose | http://www.wowwiki.com/Main_page * |
| 13:27.59 | Ose | ff3 |
| 13:28.10 | Ose | anyone checked out Ubiquity btw? |
| 13:28.31 | Kirkburn | Hmm, not seeing any gap |
| 13:29.15 | Ose | I only it when the url is /Main_page (my bookmarked url), so it shouldn't affect a lot of people |
| 13:29.25 | Kirkburn | I'm trying that URL though |
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| 13:30.25 | Taishi | Hi, where's the best place to download WoW enGB 2.0.0? So far all the mirrors provided on the wiki aren't even giving me more than 60kb/s and normally I get over 300kb/s from most sites when downloading |
| 13:30.32 | Kirkburn | How'd you get "Main page" anyway? It's never been used :P "Main Page" has been though |
| 13:32.01 | Ose | something like that |
| 13:32.11 | Taishi | or better yet, does anyone know what version the latest retail box discs are on? |
| 13:32.32 | g0urra | Taishi: http://a.wirebrain.de/wow/torrent/WoW-enGB-Installer-downloader.torrent ? |
| 13:32.39 | Ose | didn't they make a new giga-pathc containing everythingup to 2.4? |
| 13:32.45 | Taishi | I actually have WarCraft but its before version 1.12 on disc, so its alot of patching |
| 13:32.49 | Fisker- | why so torrent g0urra? |
| 13:32.54 | Taishi | Erm, I find torrents are slower |
| 13:32.58 | Kirkburn | TBC discs contain 2.0.0 |
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| 13:32.59 | Ose | lulz i is horribal spleling |
| 13:33.17 | Kirkburn | Retail probably has 2.0.0, but I have no idea |
| 13:33.34 | Kirkburn | I suppose 2.4 would make sense by now |
| 13:33.57 | Taishi | Erm... you mean TBC box set can update WoW classic to th e right version? |
| 13:34.04 | crucially | hi |
| 13:34.08 | Taishi | Although my b/f is saying he might just buy the lastest full box set |
| 13:34.39 | g0urra | Do refer-a-friend |
| 13:34.41 | g0urra | Or what's it called |
| 13:34.52 | Kirkburn | crucially, hullo |
| 13:35.03 | Taishi | If you're on about free trial invite a friend I already used that key |
| 13:35.14 | Taishi | And tbh not even bothered about that |
| 13:35.14 | crucially | Kirkburn: any cache invalidaton problems |
| 13:35.23 | crucially | on like, the css files |
| 13:35.24 | crucially | or so |
| 13:35.27 | Taishi | I'm more bothered about skipping a few hours of downloading more upto date clients lol |
| 13:35.47 | Taishi | My CDs are too much out of date imo |
| 13:35.50 | g0urra | Taishi: https://www.wow-europe.com/character/recruit-a-friend.html |
| 13:35.54 | Taishi | Starting from downloading 1.12 blows |
| 13:36.33 | Taishi | Which is why when I saw download full 2.0.0 I thought I might get it |
| 13:36.39 | Taishi | Then I found all I was getting was 60kb/s and was like "WTF?" |
| 13:36.42 | Kirkburn | crucially, not that I know of, but I've not tried recently - pcj might know (*me pings pcj*) |
| 13:36.48 | Taishi | Thats not how bad my downloads normally are |
| 13:37.12 | crucially | ok |
| 13:37.21 | crucially | i updated to latest version of varnish |
| 13:37.30 | crucially | 6 hours or so |
| 13:37.34 | pcj | mmm |
| 13:37.36 | Taishi | Whats Varnish? |
| 13:37.38 | crucially | i think it solved logout and opera |
| 13:38.00 | crucially | Taishi: it gives wowwiki +100 in agility and ability to dodge downtime |
| 13:38.19 | Taishi | ?? |
| 13:38.25 | pcj | Downtime hits WoWWiki for 9001 (crushing) |
| 13:38.28 | pcj | WoWWiki dies. |
| 13:38.30 | g0urra | WHAT NINE THOUSAND |
| 13:38.31 | Taishi | I see |
| 13:38.45 | Kirkburn | pcj, that wouldn't even kill a mage these days >_< |
| 13:38.48 | Taishi | So basically it sort off like stores an offline version for you? |
| 13:39.30 | pcj | it would unless downtime were taunted off the mage by a developer quickly |
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| 13:42.00 | Taishi | So I guess no one knows a decent site where i might get a good download rate for enGB 2.0.0 |
| 13:42.01 | Taishi | ? |
| 13:42.17 | Lukian | points to the wowwiki page |
| 13:42.31 | crucially | are we hosting that download? |
| 13:42.37 | Fisker- | Take me g0urra |
| 13:42.45 | Lukian | [[Patch mirrors]] |
| 13:42.45 | Dotted | Lukian meant: www.wowwiki.com/Patch_mirrors |
| 13:42.51 | Kirkburn | crucially, dear god no |
| 13:42.53 | Taishi | I already checked those |
| 13:42.55 | Taishi | They're slow |
| 13:42.57 | crucially | Kirkburn: thank you |
| 13:43.05 | Taishi | Like 60kb/s would take hours |
| 13:43.15 | crucially | how big is it? |
| 13:43.19 | Taishi | Normally I get 100-300kbs direct download |
| 13:43.19 | g0urra | 3.2 gb |
| 13:43.44 | Kirkburn | If we hosted all the patches, it would be into the ten of gigabytes |
| 13:43.56 | crucially | that would suck |
| 13:44.03 | g0urra | None â 2.3.0 (~3900 Mb) |
| 13:44.06 | Taishi | I'm not asking you guys to host |
| 13:44.15 | Kirkburn | I would be more impressed if someone managed to upload it :P |
| 13:44.19 | Taishi | Just asking anyone who knows a site with decent download rating |
| 13:44.28 | Kirkburn | Taishi, don't worry, we're just going off on a tangent :) |
| 13:44.32 | g0urra | uploads a 1 GB image |
| 13:44.42 | Kirkburn | wirebrain.de is the best I know of |
| 13:44.55 | Taishi | watches wowwiki die from the upload? lol |
| 13:45.22 | Taishi | OMG I think I found a good one |
| 13:45.35 | g0urra | 61 kB/s? |
| 13:45.37 | Taishi | oh blah 61Kb/s |
| 13:45.45 | Taishi | Hey, how did you know? |
| 13:46.00 | g0urra | I'm inside your brain. |
| 13:46.03 | Taishi | oh now its 69 |
| 13:46.09 | Taishi | Its going quite well actually |
| 13:46.14 | Lukian | Taishi, silly question |
| 13:46.19 | Lukian | but why not use all of them at once? |
| 13:46.25 | Lukian | hands you a download manager |
| 13:46.28 | Taishi | All of what? |
| 13:46.35 | Lukian | all the mirrors |
| 13:46.42 | Taishi | .... |
| 13:46.52 | Taishi | Dude, where's the logic in that? |
| 13:46.59 | Taishi | I'm downmloading the same client, not patches |
| 13:47.04 | Lukian | obviously you missed the http protocol update |
| 13:47.08 | Kirkburn | He means, it would use multiple sources |
| 13:47.11 | Taishi | Just downlading none->2.0.0 |
| 13:47.23 | Taishi | Oh well I do have a download manager |
| 13:47.34 | Taishi | Just donno how to make it call parts from multiple sites |
| 13:47.39 | Kirkburn | I've not heard of that use of a download manager though - Lukian? |
| 13:47.49 | Taishi | Me neither |
| 13:47.51 | Lukian | Kirkburn, I used to use Flashget under windows |
| 13:48.02 | Lukian | I'd assume Orbit (freer) would have similar functionality |
| 13:48.07 | mxs | Taishi: 2.3.0 is the most current one |
| 13:48.08 | Lukian | and there's getright too |
| 13:48.19 | mxs | give me a second and I can give you a mirror directly from wirebrain, I am updating those atm |
| 13:48.19 | Taishi | mxs: problem |
| 13:48.30 | Taishi | You cannot apply the expanion to 2.3.0 |
| 13:48.36 | Taishi | You'd have to redownload all over again |
| 13:48.37 | mxs | are you sure ? |
| 13:48.46 | Taishi | Best way is to get 2.0.0 then apply expanion then update |
| 13:48.50 | Taishi | Thats what it says on the wiki |
| 13:48.52 | mxs | I mean, if you go to the warcraft account management, they offer you 2.3.0 and TBC |
| 13:49.02 | mxs | so I would be rather surprised if that did NOT work |
| 13:49.21 | mxs | since officially, you can't even get 2.0.0 from download servers, anymore |
| 13:49.27 | mxs | the links on the acc mgmt are all 2.3.0 |
| 13:49.58 | Taishi | "f you install 2.0.0 Non-TBC and patch it to 2.4.2 before installing TBC, you will have to reinstall all the patches again. Luckily, you won't have to download them again, so the fastest path to take would be, WoW 2.0.0 -> TBC expansion -> 2.4.0 -> 2.4.1 -> 2.4.2 -> 2.4.3" |
| 13:50.14 | Ose | Skinning: 2 |
| 13:50.16 | Ose | :D |
| 13:50.24 | mxs | Taishi: that might have been current at teh time 2.0.0 was the only official installer downloadable |
| 13:50.46 | mxs | I have 3886/3982M of the enGB installer on wirebrain atm |
| 13:50.54 | mxs | I'll give you a link in a second, would be nice to know for sure :) |
| 13:51.22 | Taishi | Why are there no mirrors for 2.3.0 full on wowwiki? |
| 13:51.31 | mxs | there are |
| 13:51.40 | g0urra | there is |
| 13:51.42 | Taishi | Oh wait, you're uploading it? |
| 13:51.50 | g0urra | http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_mirrors#Playable_Client |
| 13:51.52 | mxs | some ppl have |
| 13:52.08 | mxs | I am about to checksum the enGB one and upload it to RapidShare |
| 13:52.23 | mxs | torrent is already available there |
| 13:52.26 | Taishi | Bleh, rapid shit |
| 13:52.28 | mxs | as are some mirrors, no idea of their speed |
| 13:52.34 | Taishi | downloading i parts not fun |
| 13:52.38 | Taishi | *in |
| 13:52.50 | mxs | well, 2.3 is about 4gb in size |
| 13:53.00 | Taishi | Yeah, so thats alot of parts >_> |
| 13:53.05 | mxs | so you USUALLY will get parts, since many webmasters have not bothered to make their servers able to serve > 2gb :) |
| 13:53.12 | Taishi | I prefer to just leave 1 download running and come back when its finished |
| 13:53.13 | mxs | well, RS premium it is 3 parts :P |
| 13:53.18 | Taishi | Not sit at my PC all day waiting for each part |
| 13:53.49 | mxs | but yeah, I agree, RS sucks if you are not premium. I would offer direct links, but from experience that is a bad, bad idea -- thrashes the harddrive, hard, if you offer 4gb downloads with a 2gb of ram :P |
| 13:54.00 | mxs | but not to worry, I'll give you a direct link |
| 13:54.08 | mxs | you can use a download manager and pummel the server if you want :P |
| 13:54.22 | Taishi | I would appreciate it |
| 13:54.35 | sancus | Every time I have to log out and back in again because Blizzard web dev is bad at life and everything I want to kill whomever does their web department hiring. |
| 13:54.40 | mxs | it just needs to fetch 40m more ;) |
| 13:54.43 | sancus | fucking appalling |
| 13:54.50 | Taishi | m? |
| 13:54.53 | Taishi | As in minutes? |
| 13:54.55 | mxs | sancus: THAT is the part you find appalling ? |
| 13:54.57 | mxs | 40 megabytes |
| 13:55.02 | Taishi | Oh |
| 13:55.04 | Taishi | Nice |
| 13:55.05 | mxs | a lot less minutes ;) |
| 13:55.09 | sancus | mxs: Oh it's just one thing in a long list, but it's such a basic, straightforward thing |
| 13:55.10 | Taishi | lol |
| 13:55.15 | Taishi | Yeah, I bet ;-P |
| 13:55.17 | sancus | The fact that the beta/live forum sessions get crossed |
| 13:55.20 | Taishi | Well, I can wait :) |
| 13:55.21 | sancus | is so downright absurd |
| 13:55.25 | Taishi | I appreciate the help |
| 13:55.36 | sancus | I would instantly fire any web developer who left a bug like that in for months |
| 13:55.40 | sancus | no questions asked |
| 13:55.45 | mxs | sancus: like, say, personal messages, tagging of threads, a working search, notifications of answers to threads you posted, hell, a short list of threads you posted in recently ? :) |
| 13:55.55 | sancus | dont even get me started |
| 13:56.01 | sancus | But sessions, man, come on thats like fucking |
| 13:56.02 | mxs | I believe I did :P |
| 13:56.14 | sancus | asp 101 |
| 13:56.14 | g0urra | Kirkburn: did you see the wrathgate text file in the mpq? |
| 13:56.17 | mxs | no, fucking is real nasty and messy if you do it right := |
| 13:56.18 | mxs | P |
| 13:56.29 | sancus | or whatever |
| 13:56.30 | mxs | "crossing sessions" is a principal part of fucking, really |
| 13:56.36 | sancus | heh |
| 13:56.41 | Kirkburn | g0urra, nay |
| 13:56.48 | g0urra | 00:00:14:12 - 00:00:17:08 |
| 13:56.49 | g0urra | Highlord Bolvar! Thank the Light! |
| 13:56.49 | g0urra | 00:00:17:09 - 00:00:18:07 |
| 13:56.49 | g0urra | For Lordaeron! |
| 13:56.49 | g0urra | 00:00:18:08 - 00:00:19:11 |
| 13:56.49 | g0urra | For the Alliance! |
| 13:56.58 | mxs | Taishi: do you have a download manager ? |
| 13:57.20 | mxs | fastest way would be for me to zip up all but the MPQ right now, since that is 4 gigs :) |
| 13:57.21 | Kirkburn | g0urra, 20 minutes? o_O |
| 13:57.29 | g0urra | seconds |
| 13:57.34 | g0urra | there's more, sec |
| 13:57.42 | Kirkburn | Probably better to pastey |
| 13:58.02 | sancus | mxs: Besides, if they were even remotely competent in the first place, they wouldn't have written forum software from scratch, thats beyond retarded. |
| 13:58.03 | g0urra | Kirkburn: http://pastebin.com/m4e6b446e |
| 13:58.19 | mxs | sancus: actually, that is the one design decision I agree with them on |
| 13:58.26 | sancus | I don't |
| 13:58.31 | sancus | and I've done higher load websites than they have |
| 13:58.36 | Kirkburn | g0urra, awesome :) |
| 13:58.39 | g0urra | I like this part |
| 13:58.40 | g0urra | # |
| 13:58.40 | g0urra | 00:02:43:00 - 00:02:48:14 |
| 13:58.40 | g0urra | # |
| 13:58.40 | g0urra | Behold, now, the terrible vengeance of the Forsaken! |
| 13:58.53 | mxs | sancus: most forum software out there is BEYOND retarded, and would not scale even remotely to these levels ... And the integration with the other WoW stuff would be as much dev work, anyway |
| 13:58.59 | Kirkburn | At least keep the spoilery part quiet >_< |
| 13:59.02 | sancus | At the very least, they should've used a framework for the forum software |
| 13:59.04 | sancus | That's not true mxs |
| 13:59.07 | mxs | sancus: well yeah, there are some exceptions :) |
| 13:59.08 | sancus | there IS forum software that scales |
| 13:59.12 | Kirkburn | I really hope the event starts working soon |
| 13:59.23 | sancus | And doing research to find it |
| 13:59.28 | mxs | yes, but I have had very, very bad experiences with some of the ones that supposedly scale |
| 13:59.30 | sancus | is a far better use of time than starting from an empty asp file |
| 13:59.37 | sancus | like seriously |
| 13:59.39 | sancus | you can't lose |
| 13:59.49 | mxs | oh, if you choose ASP, you already lost :P |
| 13:59.54 | sancus | well yeah |
| 13:59.56 | sancus | but I mean in general |
| 14:00.10 | sancus | it's always better to go with an existing solution than to start from scratch unless you are absolutely and utterly sure that you can do better |
| 14:00.23 | sancus | and no one at blizzard (in web dev)0 is even remotely good enough to make such a statement, that's for sure |
| 14:00.26 | mxs | sancus: I'm sure they were sure they would do better |
| 14:00.31 | sancus | yeah |
| 14:00.33 | mxs | and I'm reasonablysure they BELIEVE they did better |
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| 14:00.34 | sancus | because they're bad at their jobs. |
| 14:00.38 | mxs | the design goals just aren't focused on the user |
| 14:00.52 | pcj | hey they made armory, they obviously are pro website programmers |
| 14:01.10 | sancus | rofl |
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| 14:02.37 | sancus | at least the armory mostly works now |
| 14:02.45 | sancus | it's still slow as shit and generally bad |
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| 14:18.47 | Ose | is board |
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| 14:55.59 | mxs | is plank |
| 14:56.21 | mxs | Ose + mxs = Plank & Board, two woods on a mission. |
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| 14:58.56 | sacarasc | stabs mxs |
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| 15:06.59 | mxs | watches in amusement as sacarasc realizes how hard it is to pull a knife out of wood |
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| 15:07.46 | sacarasc | saws mxs in two |
| 15:10.05 | mxs | thanks sacarasc for trimming his beard, watching new sprigs spring to life. |
| 15:10.16 | sacarasc | burns mxs |
| 15:10.52 | mxs | begins to smolder, but doesn't catch a flame |
| 15:10.57 | mxs | you've done it now |
| 15:11.00 | mxs | you made the tree mad |
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| 15:12.29 | Bobloa | hi all |
| 15:12.51 | pcj | ugh someone tried to send an e-mail from my work computer over the weekend |
| 15:12.55 | pcj | it has a 2GB attachment |
| 15:12.57 | pcj | like, duh |
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| 15:13.30 | Fisker- | best idea ever |
| 15:14.06 | sancus | wow... |
| 15:14.08 | sancus | rofl |
| 15:14.41 | mxs | MY mailserver would actually accept it ! |
| 15:15.15 | pcj | plz give smtp details k thx |
| 15:15.38 | pcj | can you set it up as open relay too |
| 15:15.45 | Bobloa | hi everyone |
| 15:15.49 | pcj | hi bobloa |
| 15:16.19 | mxs | pcj: nothing INHERENTLY bad about it :> |
| 15:16.56 | mxs | so long as you don't also bounce it after the smtp conversation is already over :> |
| 15:28.53 | amro | ~lart mxs |
| 15:28.53 | infobot | installs PocketPC on mxs's PDA |
| 15:28.56 | amro | that's like mailing a car |
| 15:30.14 | mxs | I'm fairly certain UPS will mail a car if you pay them enough :> |
| 15:30.57 | mxs | to be honest, I only had it set up that way for testing purposes ... the actual limit is 100M atm. |
| 15:31.18 | mxs | but it's good to know that you CAN do it if the customer need sit |
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| 15:41.08 | Kirkburn | Guess how words we have in the main namespace :P |
| 15:41.53 | Kirkburn | Actually, nvm, something is way off with these stats, so ... meh |
| 15:42.04 | Fisker- | why so words Kirkburn? |
| 15:42.10 | Taishi | Don't ya just love it when your ISP allocates you to a slower connection rate when you're paying for a higher one and you find out the hard way and have to ring em up saying "oi, I pay for my speed, give me my speed!" >_> |
| 15:42.40 | Taishi | I found out thats why my downloads were going so god damn slow lol |
| 15:43.01 | Taishi | Cus when mxs so generously let me download from him, it was just as slow |
| 15:43.19 | Taishi | I reset my network settings to block everyone off but me and my b/f, found I was still getting a bad download rate |
| 15:43.46 | Taishi | Rung up my ISP "Oh, yes, it seems we allocated you to a slower speed, let me boost that back up for you, one moment please" lol morons! |
| 15:45.42 | winkiller | GIVE ME SPEED |
| 15:45.53 | winkiller | others might arrest you for that |
| 15:46.02 | Taishi | lol |
| 15:46.07 | winkiller | my internet has speedz! |
| 15:46.22 | Taishi | Its high XD |
| 15:46.24 | winkiller | but now not more speedz than yours, probably |
| 15:46.27 | Taishi | Sorry, just had to |
| 15:46.44 | Taishi | Well I do own a 8Mb connection x3 |
| 15:48.12 | Dark-Fx | you own a triple-linked 8mbit connection? |
| 15:50.50 | Fisker- | :3? |
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| 15:53.04 | Taishi | Had to relog, download was slowing everything down >_> |
| 15:53.13 | Taishi | Guess I'll download the client when I go to ged |
| 15:53.15 | Taishi | *bed |
| 15:54.43 | sacarasc | using a mirror or the awful download thing blizz gives us? |
| 15:55.05 | Taishi | A mirror |
| 15:55.08 | Taishi | mxs provided it to me |
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| 16:03.47 | crucially | hows www.wowwiki.com doing? |
| 16:04.37 | Ose | seeubg that it's you speaking, i'm going to assume it will crash pretty soon |
| 16:04.57 | Ose | s/seeubg/seeing/ |
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| 16:24.03 | Kirkburn | crucially, seeing as I see no gnashing and wailing, I'm going to say: okay. |
| 16:25.09 | Kirkburn | Edits are still working, not seen any complaints |
| 16:27.55 | Xeneonic | *Gnash* *wail* *Complain* *mourn* |
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| 16:32.10 | mxs | *whimper* |
| 16:55.12 | Kirkburn | Y'know, I wish they hadn't chosen "Chrome" as a name |
| 16:56.12 | Ose | qué? |
| 16:56.12 | Kirkburn | Google's browser |
| 16:56.12 | Ose | aah |
| 16:56.12 | Kirkburn | Chrome is generally the name for the look of an application |
| 16:56.12 | amro | for browsers |
| 16:56.13 | Ose | ff3 with ubiquity seems kinda nice |
| 16:56.31 | Kirkburn | Nay, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_interface_chrome |
| 16:57.05 | Kirkburn | "The visible graphical interface features of an application are sometimes referred to as "chrome"." |
| 16:57.14 | amro | sometimes |
| 16:57.18 | amro | as in within browsers |
| 16:57.25 | amro | i've never heard it used for anything else |
| 16:58.11 | Kirkburn | Whether or not that is the case, I still dislike the attempt to take the term |
| 16:58.33 | amro | the reference for the statement you pasted: |
| 16:58.33 | amro | http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/C/chrome.html |
| 16:58.50 | amro | doesn't mention 'chrome |
| 16:58.57 | amro | ' being used to refer to UIs in general |
| 16:59.01 | Xeneonic | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Chrome |
| 16:59.02 | Xeneonic | ;) |
| 16:59.43 | Kirkburn | amro, it doesn't refer to it being used in browsers either, so what's your point? |
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| 17:00.01 | amro | my point is that the statement you copied is meaningless |
| 17:00.13 | amro | it would have more meaning if it wasn't referenced at all |
| 17:00.20 | Kirkburn | All, I was showing was that the term was already used for something O_O |
| 17:00.36 | amro | it is |
| 17:00.40 | amro | but for browser UIs :P |
| 17:00.50 | amro | which is why they called their browser chrome |
| 17:01.11 | Kirkburn | The bit you just referenced in trying to disprove me doesn't mention browsers |
| 17:01.16 | amro | I don't like the name either, I'm just disputing [17:55:57] <Kirkburn> Chrome is generally the name for the look of an application |
| 17:01.48 | Xeneonic | A better way would be "Glass" I suppose |
| 17:01.54 | amro | it wasn't trying to disprove you, just to show that whoever added that needs reading comprehension |
| 17:02.12 | Kirkburn | No they don't? |
| 17:02.29 | Kirkburn | "The visible graphical interface features of an application are sometimes referred to as "chrome"." is entirely accurate and supported by the source |
| 17:03.00 | Kirkburn | neither part mentions browsers, whether or not that is the case (which would need to be sourced) |
| 17:03.04 | amro | whatever, im not a wiki guy and don't like the wiki style of referencing things |
| 17:03.12 | Xeneonic | :( |
| 17:03.20 | Xeneonic | You made wiki sad |
| 17:03.30 | mxs | chrome, to me, just says "faked shinyness" |
| 17:03.43 | Kirkburn | Makes me think that too |
| 17:03.47 | amro | true, the reference uses 'chrome' to refer to UI elements, but it's a useless statement |
| 17:04.11 | pcj | amro, per WW:IRC, admins get the last word |
| 17:04.15 | mxs | But from the comic strip, their design perspective seems to make sense. I do worry about proper back/forward with state though, seems they want to throw page-context away once you move on to the next one |
| 17:04.40 | amro | ~lart pcj |
| 17:04.40 | infobot | stabs pcj |
| 17:04.47 | pcj | page context away between sites |
| 17:04.53 | pcj | not in-site |
| 17:05.00 | mxs | (and one of the MOST annoying things EVER to happen in a browser is an accidental back/forward with the state of the DOM (and, say, all form fields) not being preserved |
| 17:05.05 | mxs | FF is particularly bad about that |
| 17:05.35 | mxs | pcj: well yeah, one part of their strip does mention throwing away all context once you move to a different site though |
| 17:05.48 | pcj | that's what i just said. |
| 17:06.04 | Kirkburn | So, anyone tried it yet? :P |
| 17:06.17 | pcj | it's not available publicly yet :( |
| 17:06.19 | mxs | which I worry about. I don't want an accidental click or keystroke to mean that all is lost. :) |
| 17:06.46 | pcj | quit sucking at typing then imo |
| 17:07.04 | Kirkburn | Okay ... I'll reword ... anyone going to try it out the moment it is released? :P |
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| 17:07.15 | pcj | yes i am kirkburn |
| 17:07.18 | mxs | I also wonder how well the process-context-per-element will fare on Windows (where process generation is extremely expensive, compared to pretty much any Unix -- it's the reason Threads are so damn popular on windows :) |
| 17:07.23 | pcj | i need to see if V8 causes any problems with script |
| 17:07.40 | Kirkburn | Have they set a time? Seeing as the Pacific coast is now at work, I assume any moment now |
| 17:07.51 | mxs | Kirkburn: yes. And rest assured, before I report any Wowwiki bug, I will mention the outstanding Opera ones :P |
| 17:08.00 | Kirkburn | Process context per element? |
| 17:08.10 | Kirkburn | i.e. one process per tab? |
| 17:08.17 | mxs | yes, and more |
| 17:08.21 | mxs | one process per plugin |
| 17:08.22 | mxs | per tab |
| 17:08.42 | Kirkburn | That's gonna look so crazy on task manager |
| 17:08.55 | Fisker- | it's what IE8 already does |
| 17:09.01 | Kirkburn | I'm gonna try out IE8 later methinks, which already goes some of .... damn you Fisker |
| 17:09.18 | mxs | I am scared to try out IE8 |
| 17:09.19 | Kirkburn | Not for each plugin too though, Fisker, afaik |
| 17:09.19 | pcj | ooooold |
| 17:09.34 | mxs | every time MS promised a new browser, they failed MISERABLY. I don't want to be disappointed, again. |
| 17:09.40 | Kirkburn | mxs, I am told it is a huge improvement on IE7 |
| 17:10.00 | Kirkburn | And possibly the reason why Chrome just got announced |
| 17:10.01 | mxs | Kirkburn: point being that really dense shit in cubes and spheres is still shit :P |
| 17:10.04 | Fisker- | http://ieblog.members.winisp.net/images/IE.Process.Model3.png |
| 17:10.09 | Fisker- | looks similar to me |
| 17:10.20 | Fisker- | unless they mean the plugins are on yet another process |
| 17:10.38 | Fisker- | actually |
| 17:10.40 | Fisker- | my bad |
| 17:10.45 | Fisker- | it doesn't do it with plugins :P |
| 17:11.03 | mxs | not all that similar, they use process-per-tab, regardless of context |
| 17:11.11 | Kirkburn | I think you'll be pleasantly surprised |
| 17:11.13 | mxs | which is not a bad idea, in and of itself |
| 17:11.38 | mxs | Kirkburn: Will it beat the browsing experience Opera provides ? :) |
| 17:12.26 | Kirkburn | I've not tried Opera :O |
| 17:12.34 | Kirkburn | http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/google_chrome_preview.asp ... an .. interesting review |
| 17:13.04 | mxs | uh |
| 17:13.11 | mxs | apparenty, the winsupersite does not want you to hotlink |
| 17:13.16 | mxs | or me to watch the review |
| 17:13.21 | mxs | not gonna honor those assholes, then :)= |
| 17:13.29 | Kirkburn | o_O |
| 17:13.37 | Kirkburn | I only use IE7 for feeds, but it's really annoying me how slow new tabs open |
| 17:13.56 | Kirkburn | mxs, oh, you get the roadblock? |
| 17:13.57 | mxs | I just opened 50 tabs in opera |
| 17:13.59 | mxs | :P |
| 17:14.01 | Kirkburn | Just click past it |
| 17:14.02 | mxs | Kirkburn: yeah |
| 17:14.10 | mxs | it redirects me to the main page |
| 17:14.11 | Kirkburn | And ... oh ... *sigh* |
| 17:14.18 | Kirkburn | Well, it's in the header area :P |
| 17:14.51 | mxs | nah, I'll wait for a review by a site that actually wants viewers :) |
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| 17:17.09 | Kirkburn | lol |
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| 17:44.09 | Adys | For the ones who still havent heard, google chrome is launching in 15 mins, there's a stream available of their Q&A soon |
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| 17:50.53 | sacarasc | for those who don't care |
| 17:50.55 | sacarasc | you're me |
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| 18:02.25 | Fisker- | 15 minutes is up |
| 18:03.06 | ANTRat | i want my new browser |
| 18:06.36 | Kaso | damn right |
| 18:06.45 | Kaso | got the webstream? |
| 18:06.52 | Kaso | http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20080902005540&newsLang=en |
| 18:07.45 | Kaso | ooh starting! |
| 18:09.20 | Kaso | Download wont be available until "noon today" (pacific i guess) |
| 18:10.04 | ANTRat | well, thats only an hour away if im right |
| 18:10.12 | Kirkburn | An hour's time |
| 18:10.35 | Gryphen | ttp://www.google.com/search?q=site:gears.google.com/chrome&filter=0 |
| 18:10.38 | Gryphen | +h |
| 18:11.09 | Kaso | i like how the slides come up too thats night |
| 18:11.19 | Fisker- | you're tight |
| 18:11.32 | Kaso | nice |
| 18:17.58 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Tyrande_Whisperwind/Shadows%26Light#Break_Six |
| 18:18.06 | Bagginsww | I had to resurrect that old discussion heh heh |
| 18:18.32 | g0urra | ... |
| 18:21.02 | Bagginsww | well the page had practically every other artwork related to old Mal :) |
| 18:21.13 | Bagginsww | but not that one heh |
| 18:21.19 | Bagginsww | I don't expect anyone to reply |
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| 18:30.01 | pcj | for people who seem to like JS which doesn't affect the whole window their webcast page is pretty annoying |
| 18:33.39 | Bagginsww | I've warned noobie about trying to spread faulse information in the future race ideas |
| 18:33.46 | Bagginsww | he hasn't listened... |
| 18:33.52 | Bagginsww | someone like to do the honors? |
| 18:34.01 | pcj | you're an admin |
| 18:34.03 | Bagginsww | its not that he spread faulse information but that he twisted quotes |
| 18:34.15 | Bagginsww | ya I know pcj, but I don't want someone accusing me of being too harsh :p |
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| 18:47.54 | Gryphen | http://www.google.com/chrome |
| 18:52.02 | Fisker- | ok chrome is pretty fucking awesome >:3 |
| 18:53.48 | Fisker- | can you get a status bar though? |
| 18:56.35 | pcj | whoa the monaco sidebar loads in under 30 seconds on chrome |
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| 18:57.28 | pcj | haha |
| 18:57.35 | Fisker- | >:O |
| 18:58.59 | Fisker- | Chrome is faster than Fx in the sunspider benchmark |
| 18:59.27 | Fisker- | pretty much the same though |
| 18:59.54 | pcj | seems to have issues mouse scrolling up |
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| 19:00.52 | Fisker- | no middle mouse scrolling here >:3 |
| 19:01.02 | Ose | Kirkburn you seen the portals on chrome? |
| 19:01.59 | pcj | heh chrome doesn't honor webkit rounded corners |
| 19:02.07 | Ose | mhm |
| 19:02.19 | Ose | what he said |
| 19:02.45 | Fisker- | wuts dat? |
| 19:03.12 | pcj | -webkit-border-radius-topright:0.5em; |
| 19:03.12 | pcj | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:03.39 | Fisker- | have you tested your tooltips btw? |
| 19:03.47 | pcj | yes |
| 19:03.52 | Ose | what's the difference between -webkit and -moz? |
| 19:04.21 | pcj | the implementation is beta and not a standard so that's primarily an indication that it's beta and subject to change |
| 19:05.01 | Kirkburn | ^ |
| 19:05.07 | Kirkburn | Was out shopping |
| 19:05.21 | Kirkburn | So, everything works pretty much? |
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| 19:06.20 | Eraclito | hi people |
| 19:06.21 | Ose | haven't seen anything phunky yet |
| 19:06.25 | Ose | hullo |
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| 19:07.28 | mxs | I do NOT want to see the download stats on tehir servers right now :> |
| 19:07.35 | pcj | its over 9000 |
| 19:08.33 | pcj | kirkburn, all works ok so far |
| 19:08.47 | pcj | of course monaco still sucks |
| 19:08.49 | pcj | but w/e |
| 19:08.55 | Ose | so far i'm not seeing anything that's immediately convincing me to drop my ff3 |
| 19:09.06 | Kirkburn | mxs, I DO :P |
| 19:09.35 | Ose | are they going to do an extension system á la firefox? |
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| 19:10.10 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+v Kaso] by ChanServ |
| 19:10.23 | mxs | Kirkburn: I was being ironic. |
| 19:10.40 | mxs | I think I'd spontaneously do something unclean if I got to see the graphs :P |
| 19:10.42 | Kirkburn | I was too |
| 19:10.54 | Fisker- | anyone else can get middle button scroll on chrome? |
| 19:11.00 | pcj | no it sucks |
| 19:11.05 | pcj | chrome is terrible |
| 19:11.10 | mxs | Ose: You have had 10 minutes and you already formed that opinion ? :) |
| 19:11.31 | mxs | I'll give it a bit of work to see how it is, way too easy to dismiss it because it's new :) |
| 19:11.34 | Ose | so far i'm not seeing anything that's /immediately/ convincing me to drop my ff3 |
| 19:12.04 | Ose | anyone else tried out ubiquity? |
| 19:12.28 | pcj | no one uses it or cares |
| 19:12.49 | Ose | I think it has potential |
| 19:13.15 | mxs | Ose: so far, I have not seen anything that's immediately convincing me to dismiss it. |
| 19:13.29 | mxs | Although the missing middle-mouse-button functionality and mouse gestures are ... argh. |
| 19:13.50 | Fisker- | It's Fx btw |
| 19:13.58 | Fisker- | and even Safari is better than Fx >:E |
| 19:14.19 | pcj | well webkit is better yes |
| 19:14.35 | pcj | safari is terrible |
| 19:14.48 | pcj | firefox using webkit would be win |
| 19:15.30 | mxs | wow, the zoom functionality SUCKS |
| 19:15.51 | Fisker- | fast though |
| 19:15.55 | Fisker- | and i still want a statusbar |
| 19:15.57 | pcj | it's fast |
| 19:15.58 | pcj | but terrible |
| 19:15.59 | Fisker- | anyone seen one yet? |
| 19:16.12 | mxs | Fisker-: fast zoom ? not really. And yeah, can't even see what zoomlevel I am at |
| 19:16.29 | pcj | bah my desktop metaphor is still driven by menus, i can't use this program |
| 19:16.31 | mxs | I'd be ok without a statusbar, so long as I can get the information some other way that's intuitive |
| 19:17.24 | pcj | well it does show it in a statusbar-like thing that disappears when nothing's there |
| 19:18.08 | pcj | the help link is 404'd :( |
| 19:18.09 | Kirkburn | What type of zoom does it use? |
| 19:18.13 | pcj | text zoom |
| 19:18.17 | Kirkburn | Argh |
| 19:19.13 | mxs | uhm. One thing they got 100% completely and utterly right : |
| 19:19.28 | mxs | menu -> Report bug or broken website |
| 19:19.53 | mxs | it takes second to give them a bug report on where their browser fails. No other browser has that, that accessible. |
| 19:19.59 | Lukian | <[Piratez]> how u liking google chrome |
| 19:19.59 | Lukian | <Aokromes> it crashed trying to open options |
| 19:20.08 | foxlit | mxs: Clearly copied from Safari |
| 19:20.20 | Ose | meh, I want my color picker tool |
| 19:20.39 | foxlit | Report Bugs to Apple -> URL: Description: <Okay> |
| 19:20.55 | mxs | foxlit: maybe so, I don't use Safari. It blows on Windows, and I have better options on *ix :) |
| 19:21.07 | mxs | foxlit: hrrm, with a dropdown of common problems ? |
| 19:21.11 | foxlit | "No other browser has that, that accessible." |
| 19:21.21 | mxs | i.e. "page doesn't load" report = 2 clicks ? |
| 19:21.39 | foxlit | ^ too bad there's little factual accuracy :) |
| 19:21.46 | mxs | foxlit: ok, no other browser I knew, and I am unsure as to how well it's done on Saf |
| 19:22.07 | mxs | but yeah, they stole a LOT of stuff from a lot of browsers. IMHO that is a good thing. |
| 19:22.10 | foxlit | Important qualifier, that :) |
| 19:22.28 | foxlit | It works fine -- you don't really have to bother with default reasons |
| 19:22.46 | foxlit | Doesn't really grant you much more than an empty text box |
| 19:22.52 | mxs | oh, this ROCKS. shift-esc -> stats for nerds |
| 19:23.00 | mxs | it will grab stats from other running browsers |
| 19:23.05 | mxs | and give you a comparison :> |
| 19:24.07 | Ose | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Google_Chrome_Logo.png ouch that came out bad-looking |
| 19:24.28 | Fisker- | grr |
| 19:24.46 | Fisker- | about:memory |
| 19:25.24 | Kaso | I love how the icon is basically a pokeball |
| 19:26.00 | mxs | Fisker-: I like that page. |
| 19:26.00 | Ose | omg Kaso U stolez my thought |
| 19:26.00 | Kirkburn | pcj works fast... |
| 19:26.00 | g0urra | bad Ose |
| 19:26.01 | mxs | I especially like that it shows me individual plugin stats. |
| 19:26.24 | Ose | g0urra/pcj:wai not? |
| 19:27.31 | pcj | dnp, read it, live it, obey it |
| 19:27.51 | mxs | the download functionality works well |
| 19:28.30 | Fisker- | needs moar about: pages |
| 19:29.06 | Ose | pcj: what's the difference between the firefox/ie/opera/avant logos and this one? |
| 19:29.08 | mxs | usability clash : single-clicking downloads opens them. Doubleclicking opens them ... twice. |
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| 19:29.22 | pcj | what logos |
| 19:29.45 | g0urra | pcj: http://www.wowwiki.com/WW:UBX#User_software |
| 19:29.50 | Ose | ~facepalm |
| 19:29.51 | infobot | ACTION facepalms at the situation |
| 19:31.03 | Fisker- | don't like the status bar though |
| 19:31.52 | pcj | make the template first then |
| 19:32.00 | pcj | i'm really not a fan of user template |
| 19:32.01 | pcj | s |
| 19:32.03 | Kirkburn | So, I have more beta keys to do a contest for :) |
| 19:32.04 | pcj | so don't push it |
| 19:32.44 | Ose | pcj: it's on preview... I wanted to see how it looked with the picture... |
| 19:33.15 | mxs | oh ! oh ! This rocks ! visit an ssl site |
| 19:33.28 | mxs | it will not go green unless you have visited that site before. |
| 19:33.52 | pcj | what's so exciting about that |
| 19:34.16 | Kirkburn | Man, the excitement of a new browser |
| 19:34.47 | Kirkburn | pcj, also, your opinion of user templates is mostly irrelevant, y'know :P |
| 19:34.49 | mxs | pcj: it's what is missing from all other browsers (that I know :) |
| 19:35.01 | crucially | Kirkburn: everything is hunky dory? |
| 19:35.17 | mxs | pcj: i.e. it is the thing that would actually help in protecting from phishing, since commercial SSL certs are obviously easy to get in a false name |
| 19:35.39 | pcj | well kirkburn i'm just saying if it gets to the point where "This user is also a fan of convertibles made in 1967" has a picture associated with it then it's going to be locked down |
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| 19:39.17 | Ose | *cough*[[WoWWiki:List of user wants templates]]*cough* (got the pagename right?) |
| 19:39.18 | Dotted | Ose meant: www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:List_of_user_wants_templates |
| 19:40.04 | Ose | meh |
| 19:40.23 | Kirkburn | pcj, fair enough, they do need some relation to Warcraft or WoWWiki, I'm just saying that neither of our opinions of user templates in general really count :) |
| 19:40.46 | winkiller | User wants cake |
| 19:40.50 | winkiller | User wants coke |
| 19:40.51 | winkiller | User wants pie |
| 19:40.57 | g0urra | User wants dead noobs |
| 19:41.05 | ralfWORK | hey, can you still get the Champion of the Naruu title? |
| 19:41.12 | Kirkburn | I eat Dead Noobs for breakfast |
| 19:41.13 | g0urra | Yes |
| 19:41.13 | winkiller | should be |
| 19:41.23 | winkiller | This user uses his right hand to play World of Warcraft |
| 19:41.27 | winkiller | This user uses his left hand to play World of Warcraft |
| 19:41.32 | g0urra | But you won't get Hand of A'dal |
| 19:41.32 | winkiller | This user uses both hands to play World of Warcraft |
| 19:41.37 | g0urra | Because it's SO EASIER |
| 19:41.38 | g0urra | >:3 |
| 19:41.44 | Ose | Kirkburn: stuff in <code> look kinda funky, seen it? |
| 19:41.46 | pcj | kirkburn, maybe i should restate it as "my opinion of the direction user templates appear to be going is that they seem about to be ready to plunge off the deep end of DNP, and if that happens I will moderate it" |
| 19:41.57 | Kirkburn | This user uses his right hand to play World of Warcraft, and his left hand to do other, more salubrious things |
| 19:42.04 | Kirkburn | crucially, seems so |
| 19:42.09 | crucially | ? |
| 19:42.13 | g0urra | I say delete software userboxes |
| 19:42.13 | crucially | oki |
| 19:42.16 | winkiller | pcj: sorry, I missed the stuff above, why do you think DNP and what exactly? |
| 19:42.25 | winkiller | I say delete g0urra |
| 19:42.32 | pcj | "this user uses X browser to visit wowwiki" |
| 19:42.32 | pcj | etc |
| 19:42.36 | winkiller | ah ok |
| 19:42.39 | Kirkburn | Sheesh, leave the software userboxes alone, they're not hurting anyone |
| 19:43.02 | ralfWORK | k thx |
| 19:43.16 | winkiller | <- this user uses vim to write software to be able to afford to play wow and to have free time to edit wowwiki |
| 19:43.19 | winkiller | would that be ok? |
| 19:43.54 | pcj | kirkburn: "This user uses the GIMP." |
| 19:43.56 | winkiller | you have to draw a line somewhere, Kirkburn |
| 19:43.58 | pcj | what does that have to do with WoW |
| 19:44.09 | winkiller | and however slim the chance, this time I agree with pcj |
| 19:45.01 | winkiller | This user participates on #wowwiki using $ircclient :P |
| 19:45.42 | Kirkburn | Fine, but put your point across on the talk page |
| 19:46.25 | Ose | irrelevant user templates (in my opinion) is as follows: {{User Cookies}}, {{User Awesome}}, {{User rocks}}, {{User Creative}}, {{User Saying}}, {{User Coffee}}, {{User Want Halfling}} (see [[Halfling]]) |
| 19:46.26 | Kirkburn | And get agreement. I don't want rogue admins on my hands, deleting stuff that has existed for a while without discussion :) |
| 19:46.26 | Dotted | Ose meant: www.wowwiki.com/Template:User_Cookies, www.wowwiki.com/Template:User_Awesome, www.wowwiki.com/Template:User_rocks, www.wowwiki.com/Template:User_Creative, www.wowwiki.com/Template:User_Saying, www.wowwiki.com/Template:User_Coffee, www.wowwiki.com/Template:User_Want_Halfling, www.wowwiki.com/Halfling |
| 19:46.35 | ralfWORK | do I just need to do the proper heroics for the title? I thought I needed to do Mags + Gruul for that too |
| 19:46.41 | Ose | and I created quite a few of those :P |
| 19:46.47 | winkiller | Ose: user want is useless imo |
| 19:47.00 | winkiller | but the "awesome, cookies, etc" are just a bit silly |
| 19:47.04 | winkiller | which is perfectly fine |
| 19:47.22 | Kirkburn | There's nothing wrong with having some fun :) |
| 19:47.45 | Ose | if the admins are really against them, they could just subst them so that people could keep them if they wanted, but avoid more people egtting them |
| 19:47.49 | Ose | bad grammar is bad? |
| 19:48.11 | winkiller | Dotted: can you change that script to put a whitespace after the clicky links? |
| 19:48.30 | pcj | stop using a lame irc client |
| 19:48.40 | winkiller | , is accepted in urls |
| 19:48.45 | winkiller | maybe not valid |
| 19:48.49 | Dotted | [@pcj]: stop using a lame irc client |
| 19:48.53 | winkiller | but some widespread CMS us eit |
| 19:48.59 | winkiller | so for me, a comma can be in an url |
| 19:49.05 | winkiller | and so I don't see my client broken |
| 19:49.06 | Ose | also pcj, i'm pretty sure some of the wants templates are unused, and I don't think many would mind you deleting them |
| 19:49.15 | Ose | (the unused ones) |
| 19:50.05 | winkiller | Ose: you just totally fail at colors, the ideas of some are nice :P |
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| 19:51.52 | Ose | me fail? where? |
| 19:52.05 | winkiller | rocks for example |
| 19:52.07 | winkiller | and saying |
| 19:52.38 | Ose | {{User Guild Master}} speaking of colors |
| 19:52.39 | Dotted | Ose meant: www.wowwiki.com/Template:User_Guild_Master |
| 19:52.49 | Ose | did I make those? |
| 19:53.22 | Dotted | winkiller i have never seen an url ending in a comma ergo your client is broken :P |
| 19:53.41 | winkiller | never seen != spec |
| 19:53.54 | pcj | yes you do ralf |
| 19:53.55 | winkiller | big german news site with a common cms |
| 19:53.56 | winkiller | http://www.spiegel.de/unispiegel/studium/0,1518,393345,00.html |
| 19:53.59 | pcj | bah scrolled up |
| 19:54.01 | winkiller | all urls with , |
| 19:54.25 | winkiller | and yeah, it's annoying |
| 19:54.33 | winkiller | but 99% of this client rocks |
| 19:54.41 | pcj | winkiller that link works for my client |
| 19:54.57 | mxs | Incognito Browsing : open an incognito tab. |
| 19:55.00 | mxs | Read the warnings. |
| 19:55.02 | mxs | They are great. |
| 19:55.40 | *** join/#wowwiki boo (n=mobile@82.132.136.213) |
| 19:56.10 | Ose | Kirkburn/pcj: if there are any of the templates you want to delete, I could fire up AWB now and subst all of them if you'd like |
| 19:56.46 | Dotted | kills Tekkub |
| 19:57.08 | Dotted | winkiller end in "l" not "," |
| 19:57.14 | foxlit | It seems easier to just kill off the stuff that isn't widely used |
| 19:57.15 | Dotted | ends* |
| 19:57.39 | foxlit | So if it's been around for some arbitrary long-ish amount of time, and is used only once, inline the code and remove the template. |
| 19:57.49 | Kirkburn | Ose, no |
| 19:57.59 | Kirkburn | Talk page. |
| 19:58.14 | Ose | talk to da page |
| 19:58.56 | Ose | pcj: AJAX-RC seems more "unstable" on Chrome |
| 19:59.13 | pcj | lots of thing seem more unstable |
| 19:59.18 | pcj | i'm not going to worry about chrome |
| 19:59.29 | Ose | okai |
| 20:02.31 | Fisker- | how do you shot incognito? |
| 20:07.35 | mxs | speaking of ... Uhm ... where is the code ? |
| 20:19.22 | Ose | why so quiet, #wowwiki |
| 20:19.24 | Ose | ? |
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| 20:30.17 | Fisker- | btw mxs |
| 20:30.22 | Fisker- | you know what that blue arrow in a tab is? |
| 20:30.33 | Fisker- | ah |
| 20:30.34 | Fisker- | downloads |
| 20:35.49 | winkiller | pcj,dotted: imo, if uti spec allows , in the middle, it also allows it in the end. the question is if it's just working, or a VALID uri |
| 20:35.59 | winkiller | s/uti/uri&url/ |
| 20:36.37 | jaxdahl | the google comic for chrome is very informative |
| 20:36.39 | Dotted | /care |
| 20:37.35 | winkiller | funny thing is, I had this Slide:ology book in my hands yesterday. with a bit of text about Scott McCloud, never heard of him |
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| 20:37.46 | winkiller | 5h later I learn about that chrome comic. by him |
| 20:40.21 | jaxdahl | i wonder if google would be interested in making a standalone email client |
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| 20:46.53 | Kirkburn | I love this quote from BBC News: |
| 20:46.56 | Kirkburn | "Britons' love of the sun means that a hot day results in every scrap of public space up and down the land being covered in pasty white bodies, accompanied by hysterical tabloid headlines of how Devon - for a whole 24 hours - is hotter than Majorca." |
| 20:47.55 | Ragestorm | They ain't seen Central Park |
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| 20:59.06 | Ose__ | http://www.gamevee.com/viewVideo/740706 holy shit... |
| 21:02.42 | Ose | http://celtickane.com/webdesign/jsspeed.php compare browsers |
| 21:06.11 | sancus | that test sucks dick |
| 21:06.17 | sancus | and also chrome isn't faster than fx at it |
| 21:06.37 | Ose | it is for me |
| 21:07.15 | Fisker- | sancus atleast not given their "OMG WE MADE TEH V8"-claims |
| 21:07.34 | sancus | you might want to try not using the test specifically labelled as old |
| 21:07.41 | Fisker- | was a bit faster here, but it was almost no difference |
| 21:07.54 | Fisker- | used webspider myself :P |
| 21:07.55 | Fisker- | err |
| 21:07.56 | Fisker- | sunspider |
| 21:08.04 | sancus | http://wd-testnet.world-direct.at/mozilla/dhtml/funo/jsTimeTest.htm |
| 21:08.07 | sancus | is somewhat better |
| 21:08.15 | sancus | tracemonkey is faster than v8 at some things |
| 21:08.22 | sancus | but much slower at others |
| 21:08.37 | sancus | I expect that once it's fully developed, tm will kick v8's ass |
| 21:08.41 | Fisker- | wow |
| 21:08.53 | sancus | given that it's already faster at some things and it's only 2 months old |
| 21:08.58 | sancus | whereas v8 has been in development for 2 years |
| 21:09.38 | sancus | http://celtickane.com/webdesign/jsspeed2007.php |
| 21:09.46 | sancus | ironically chrome is slower at that benchmark than fx3 _without_ TM |
| 21:09.47 | sancus | lol |
| 21:09.53 | Fisker- | and tm hasn't been in developement prior to those 2 months? |
| 21:09.58 | sancus | nope |
| 21:10.00 | sancus | it's very new |
| 21:10.09 | foxlit | sancus: I can't see how you can say "ironically chrome is slower at that benchmark than fx3 _without_ TM" |
| 21:10.11 | Fisker- | alright |
| 21:10.14 | sancus | 2 months ago, TM was just a theoretical design concept |
| 21:10.23 | foxlit | Unless you're running both, rather than comparing to the tables provided? |
| 21:10.31 | Fisker- | but you know how it is with opensource |
| 21:10.32 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 21:10.37 | Fisker- | We ninja code from you, you ninja from us |
| 21:10.54 | Fisker- | Actually funny that Microsoft can basically just "steal" their code |
| 21:10.55 | sancus | foxlit: .. what? |
| 21:10.57 | Fisker- | because it's BSD |
| 21:11.09 | foxlit | sancus: What do you base "ironically chrome is slower at that benchmark than fx3 _without_ TM" on? |
| 21:11.14 | sancus | what do the tables provide have to do with google chrome? |
| 21:11.20 | sancus | google chrome is not represented on that webpage |
| 21:11.26 | sancus | .. because it's old |
| 21:11.34 | foxlit | I'm fairly aware of that. |
| 21:11.50 | sancus | running the tests on chrome produces a slower result than fx3 |
| 21:11.54 | sancus | I just did it |
| 21:12.16 | foxlit | "than fx3" is something that needs a better definition |
| 21:12.23 | Fisker- | btw mxs |
| 21:12.24 | foxlit | "than the observed value for fx3 listed on that page" |
| 21:12.29 | Fisker- | what is that "application mode" stuff? |
| 21:12.33 | foxlit | "than the value I got for fx3 when I ran it just now"? |
| 21:13.08 | sancus | what the fuck? |
| 21:13.32 | sancus | are you being retarded on purpose |
| 21:14.06 | sancus | I can't compare a value for chrome to what's on the page because who knows what the specs are for the machine those tests were run on |
| 21:14.22 | sancus | fx3 is faster at that benchmark than chrome |
| 21:14.24 | sancus | not sure how that's questionable |
| 21:15.51 | sancus | Fisker-: eh, microsoft can "steal mozilla's code" too |
| 21:15.57 | sancus | it's not GPL or anything |
| 21:16.11 | sancus | but code doesn't have much value without the process used to create it |
| 21:18.06 | Fisker- | Mozilla's code doesn't share the same freedom as the BSD license i believe? |
| 21:18.25 | Fisker- | and by steal i meant use without having to make it open source :P |
| 21:18.34 | Fisker- | obviously you can steal anything open source |
| 21:18.46 | Fisker- | Depends on the license whether or not it's ok though |
| 21:18.47 | Kirkburn | sancus, I still find it weird seeing vlad's name crop up all over the Firefox dev pages :P |
| 21:19.04 | Fisker- | but the BSD license only requires source code documentation as well as a notice in the program that it has been used |
| 21:19.41 | foxlit | sancus: frankly, I was politely implying that you may be retarded, and should phrase your statements better to avoid appearing so. |
| 21:19.56 | Ose | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Shrine_of_Dath'Remar&diff=1567657&oldid=1488510 ? |
| 21:20.08 | sancus | foxlit: And instead you ended up being a moron, gratz |
| 21:20.26 | Kirkburn | Now, now, kids |
| 21:20.30 | foxlit | I don't see it that way, sorry :) |
| 21:20.38 | sancus | seriously I have nfc how else one would make a statement that one browser is faster than the other at a benchmark on a webpage other than by running them botha nd comparing the values |
| 21:20.53 | sancus | Yeah I realize you see it wrong, it's OK. |
| 21:21.37 | foxlit | You could be a complete idiot and be comparing the value listed for Fx3 with the value you get in chrome, incurring the whole machine-specs issue. |
| 21:22.14 | foxlit | Because you didn't communicate what it is you're doing, I see no reason to assume you did it correctly -- asking you to clarify what you're saying shouldn't trigger "wtf, are you retarted", but hey, it may. |
| 21:22.49 | Kalroth | That's a pretty fancy way of saying that you didn't understand what he's saying. :) |
| 21:23.34 | Kalroth | But while we're on the topic, Buddhism is clearly better than Christianity. |
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| 21:54.51 | winkiller | Dotted: http://www.w3.org/Addressing/rfc1738.txt |
| 21:54.58 | winkiller | Thus, only alphanumerics, the special characters "$-_.+!*'(),", and |
| 21:54.58 | winkiller | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:54.58 | winkiller | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:56.04 | winkiller | spec owns you |
| 22:02.11 | pcj | uh |
| 22:02.22 | pcj | ' and " would be dumb things to use un-encoded in an URL |
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| 22:05.39 | winkiller | " isnt in it |
| 22:05.43 | winkiller | " is the delimiter here |
| 22:05.52 | winkiller | and ' is ok it seems |
| 22:08.26 | g0urra | sloooooooooooowwiki |
| 22:12.03 | Dotted | you missed the point here, i dont care |
| 22:12.06 | Dotted | winkiller |
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| 22:12.59 | winkiller | I have no prob with that |
| 22:13.07 | winkiller | but I have one with wrong facts :P |
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| 23:09.33 | Fisker- | OMFG Kirkburn |
| 23:09.33 | Fisker- | OMFG |
| 23:09.51 | g0urra | OMFG |
| 23:10.01 | sacarasc | OYFG? |
| 23:10.26 | Fisker- | noo |
| 23:10.27 | Fisker- | you have to see |
| 23:11.00 | Fisker- | was pretty wtf |
| 23:11.23 | Fisker- | http://i36.tinypic.com/307rm6s.jpg |
| 23:12.52 | Dark-Fx | World of sporcraft? |
| 23:13.55 | Fisker- | http://eu.spore.com/sporepedia/view.cfm?id=500000036448&back=ms |
| 23:13.58 | Fisker- | I made that one :D |
| 23:14.06 | Fisker- | and out of nowhere it just comes crashing down and totally whoops me |
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| 23:24.06 | QitelRemel | Hello...anyone active? |
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| 23:43.50 | Dotted | Fisker- google chrome????????? |
| 23:48.01 | pcj | well i happened to know that the Chinese developed chrome thousands of years before Google |
| 23:55.51 | Dotted | so am i the only one loving it mcdonalds style? |
