| 00:00.16 | Adys | yea |
| 00:00.27 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Poisons |
| 00:00.30 | Adys | deletes |
| 00:00.49 | Sky2042 | heh |
| 00:01.22 | Sky2042 | what build, or is that on forums.wow.com? |
| 00:01.30 | Adys | EFFECTIVE AS OF NOW |
| 00:01.32 | Adys | GO UPDATE |
| 00:01.33 | Adys | GO |
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| 00:17.43 | pcj | sky2042: http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Rolandius#The_new_deal |
| 00:21.41 | g0urra | Yay the latin america WoW site is crap |
| 00:21.51 | g0urra | Can't find out what servers are in this new battlegroup |
| 00:22.23 | g0urra | Also this runs into a new problem: what would the new servers be called on WoWWiki? Ragnaros LT? |
| 00:22.29 | g0urra | Ragnaros NA? |
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| 00:24.01 | g0urra | Morning Fisker- my man |
| 00:24.09 | g0urra | mxs |
| 00:24.43 | jaxdahl | patch available? |
| 00:25.22 | g0urra | No |
| 00:25.28 | g0urra | That's what I'm trying to squeeze out of mxs |
| 00:27.35 | jaxdahl | he's in a deep slumber now i'm sure |
| 00:43.41 | pcj | hmmm |
| 00:44.10 | pcj | ~search google for presumed republican vice presidential nominee porn |
| 00:44.25 | pcj | damn no results |
| 00:44.35 | Adys | g0urra why do you care about the patch anyway :/ |
| 00:44.43 | Adys | it'll be up in a hour or so on the servs |
| 00:44.55 | Adys | theres still gonna be 5 hours left before the maintenance is over |
| 00:47.30 | jaxdahl | pcj |
| 00:47.34 | jaxdahl | http://www.vpilf.com |
| 00:47.44 | pcj | kk ty |
| 00:47.57 | jaxdahl | (real site) |
| 00:48.27 | pcj | lol |
| 00:49.12 | jaxdahl | 9. She's a lifetime NRA member and enjoys hunting, fishing, and snowmobiling. |
| 00:49.14 | jaxdahl | hot |
| 00:50.17 | jaxdahl | Palin said she has smoked marijuana -- remember, it was legal under state law, she said, even if illegal under U.S. law -- but says she didn't like it and doesn't smoke it now. |
| 00:53.51 | pcj | lol @ the comments |
| 00:53.52 | pcj | "Im sold.. im a dem and hillary supporter. Both choices for pres blow but one has a hot chick to look at. So i i think im going that way." |
| 00:54.37 | pcj | "I've already jerked off to her... twice! so I can at least vote for her." |
| 00:56.21 | jaxdahl | http://jax2.zenblue.net/WoW-3.0.1.8820-to-3.0.2.8885-enUS-patch.exe.torrent |
| 00:56.41 | pcj | keylogger |
| 00:57.16 | jaxdahl | it is working off DHT at this point |
| 00:57.58 | jaxdahl | i'll remove it until it's on the tracker |
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| 01:05.41 | jaxdahl | magnet:?xt=urn:btih:LM4WVKFCHTOXBV25JFYPEOGO5G4PKX56 <-- dht magnet |
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| 01:16.31 | g0urra | yaypatch |
| 01:16.57 | g0urra | 536 MB |
| 01:25.48 | Dark-Fx | ooh, really/ |
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| 01:25.51 | Dark-Fx | that's huge. |
| 01:28.09 | Dark-Fx | I see no patch |
| 01:28.24 | g0urra | Oh I just noticed |
| 01:28.28 | g0urra | it's 3.0.2.8885 |
| 01:28.48 | g0urra | So no patch 3.0.1 |
| 01:29.23 | Corgan | yay for having patch |
| 01:29.32 | Corgan | g0urra, updating! |
| 01:29.39 | g0urra | I'm downloading ffs |
| 01:30.14 | Corgan | ;D |
| 01:30.17 | Corgan | 4% |
| 01:34.28 | Dark-Fx | where'd you guys get the patch from? |
| 01:35.13 | g0urra | internetz |
| 01:35.31 | Corgan | I never realized my upload speed was this fast o.O |
| 01:35.44 | Corgan | 140~ kB/s |
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| 01:37.26 | g0urra | I'm downloading 300~ kB/s |
| 01:37.27 | g0urra | >:3 |
| 01:37.39 | g0urra | idk upload |
| 01:37.43 | g0urra | because torrents are gay |
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| 01:38.57 | Sky2042 | pcj: I noticed |
| 01:40.53 | jaxdahl | crossposting from #wowuidev |
| 01:40.54 | jaxdahl | ITEM_ACCOUNTBOUND = "Account Bound"; |
| 01:44.11 | g0urra | 8 minutes corgan |
| 01:44.12 | g0urra | >;3 |
| 01:44.17 | Corgan | 52% installing |
| 01:44.19 | Corgan | :3 |
| 01:44.21 | g0urra | WHAT |
| 01:44.28 | *** kick/#wowwiki [Corgan!n=g0urra@73-236.powerdsl.t3.se] by g0urra (OVER 9000?!) |
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| 01:45.02 | Corgan | ;D |
| 01:45.54 | Eraclito | Prismatic Cloak (Arcane)increased to 3 ranks for 1/2/3% and now also reduces the fade time of Invisibility by 1/2 seconds. <- i though they were 1/2/3 seconds |
| 01:46.55 | Corgan | g0urra, I have a php script that is going to compare differences/additions from the last build ;D |
| 01:47.19 | Corgan | for spells |
| 01:49.11 | Corgan | g0urra, 87% |
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| 01:55.50 | Eraclito | Glyph of Slow Fall - Your Slow Fall spell no longer requires a reagent. <- lol interesting |
| 02:05.37 | Sky2042 | I |
| 02:05.39 | Adys | [04:43:55] <Corgan> 52% installing |
| 02:05.41 | Adys | already installed |
| 02:05.47 | Adys | lololololownednedednednedlOLOLOL |
| 02:05.55 | Corgan | ... so is mine now o.O |
| 02:06.06 | Adys | already installed since about a hour |
| 02:06.15 | Adys | put your epeen where it's too dark to see it |
| 02:06.15 | Adys | thx |
| 02:07.21 | g0urra | new graphics on the dragon |
| 02:07.47 | g0urra | and synced sounds yay |
| 02:07.50 | Eraclito | are the servers up? |
| 02:08.14 | g0urra | no |
| 02:08.40 | jaxdahl | not able to log in yet |
| 02:09.45 | Dark-Fx | how are you guys seeing the patch already? |
| 02:09.56 | Adys | with ctrl f |
| 02:10.14 | Dark-Fx | u. |
| 02:10.33 | Dark-Fx | What does flashing text have to do with a patch. |
| 02:11.53 | Adys | its all zeroes and ones its related dude |
| 02:12.42 | Dark-Fx | Just like your face is related to my fist |
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| 02:14.43 | Adys | yeah Dark-Fx its all flesh and bones |
| 02:21.34 | Corgan | gasps |
| 02:21.48 | Corgan | g0urra |
| 02:21.48 | Corgan | Flame Shield |
| 02:21.48 | Corgan | Surrounds the caster in a shield of flames, reducing all damage taken by $s1%. Lasts longer per combo point: 1 point : 2 seconds 2 points: 3 seconds 3 points: 4 seconds 4 points: 5 seconds 5 points: 6 seconds |
| 02:23.00 | Adys | Corgan |
| 02:23.03 | Adys | learn to parse spells |
| 02:23.06 | Corgan | ? |
| 02:23.07 | Corgan | die |
| 02:23.42 | Corgan | rofl |
| 02:23.43 | Corgan | wow |
| 02:23.46 | Corgan | Carrying an RP-GG |
| 02:23.46 | Corgan | Rocket-Propelled Goblin Grenade launchers will be dropped on death. |
| 02:24.01 | Adys | its called wintergrasp |
| 02:24.05 | Corgan | yeah |
| 02:24.07 | Corgan | god |
| 02:24.08 | Corgan | fuck off adys |
| 02:24.13 | Adys | how old is ur mom because thats older than i am |
| 02:26.05 | Adys | Hard drive clicks are going to make me go nuts |
| 02:53.27 | Adys | storm peak still closed :( |
| 02:56.40 | Adys | mxs: The ordering is alphabetical now in the panel, btw |
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| 03:20.03 | Adys | http://i36.tinypic.com/4t234g.jpg |
| 03:35.26 | g0urra | Btw guys, sorry for not replying the late hour(s) but I just woke up from the floor. |
| 03:36.20 | g0urra | I think I'll go to bed. Gnight. |
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| 03:38.36 | jaxdahl | anyone know what level gundrak is supposed to be? |
| 03:42.12 | Adys | pcj, answer that ! |
| 03:43.07 | pcj | over 9000 |
| 03:50.45 | Adys | ty |
| 04:01.01 | Eraclito | i just grinded over 4k rep with timbermaw and i need still over 200 feathers... to get revered |
| 04:03.37 | pcj | i'm full exalted timbermaw |
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| 04:19.21 | pcj | ragestorm http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Rolandius#The_new_deal |
| 04:19.39 | Ragestorm | Yea, I saw it. |
| 04:20.07 | Ragestorm | Let's hope this works |
| 04:26.40 | Eraclito | [06:03:35] <@pcj> i'm full exalted timbermaw <- i'm wanting to be you |
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| 06:11.24 | Kirkburn | morning |
| 06:11.28 | Kirkburn | I hear we have a new patch |
| 06:12.18 | Kirkburn | pokes mxs |
| 06:15.25 | Kirkburn | 536 MB :O |
| 06:15.53 | Kirkburn | Look, I'm going to continue having a conversation that I'm sure you all had hours ago until someone turns up :P |
| 06:18.11 | Kirkburn | "Aspect of the viper changed to: The hunter takes on the aspect of the viper, instantly regenerating mana equal to 100% of the damage done by any ranged attack or ability, but reduces your total damage done by 50%. Only one Aspect can be active at a time." /jaw drops open |
| 06:18.29 | Kirkburn | feck, this is going to totally change my play style |
| 06:20.42 | Kirkburn | omg, Critter Bites, fantastic |
| 06:22.40 | Adys | old kirk |
| 06:22.41 | Adys | old old old |
| 06:22.49 | Kirkburn | why thank you |
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| 06:24.55 | Kalroth | Uh oh, it's crucially. /mourn wowwiki |
| 06:25.11 | crucially | hah |
| 06:25.15 | crucially | i haven't done anything in a long time |
| 06:25.25 | Kalroth | I know, it's been online! |
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| 06:26.16 | mxs | just oke up ... oh well. |
| 06:28.03 | Corgan | you failed mxs |
| 06:28.07 | Corgan | <3 |
| 06:28.19 | mxs | hehe |
| 06:28.57 | Kirkburn | yo |
| 06:29.24 | Kirkburn | I just found out why the official downloader is always slow for me - keep forgetting peerguardian blocks stuff |
| 06:30.09 | Kirkburn | DO we have a proper ice troll model? |
| 06:31.32 | Kirkburn | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2008/august/gundrak_8885_04.jpg looks slightly different to me |
| 06:32.38 | Arrowmaster | rofl |
| 06:33.24 | Arrowmaster | i was thinking about posting on the beta forums earlyer that blizzard has a bunch of really fast seeds for the torrent and it shouldnt be slow for anybody unless theyve got something like peerguardian blocking the seeds |
| 06:33.36 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 06:33.56 | Kirkburn | It's still really slow for me, but everyone's stealing my upload bandwidth :P |
| 06:34.03 | Arrowmaster | seriously every beta patch ive downloaded via torrent has capped my downstream |
| 06:35.16 | Kirkburn | :( |
| 06:35.31 | Kirkburn | Via the official downloader? |
| 06:36.13 | Fisker- | if only i had copies left :( |
| 06:36.30 | Fisker- | for some reason Blizzard made all but druid glyphs require lowlevel herbs |
| 06:36.58 | Kirkburn | Because they're low level glyphs? |
| 06:37.23 | Fisker- | So the druid glyphs aren't lowlevel? |
| 06:37.52 | Kirkburn | Beta, I guess |
| 06:38.28 | Fisker- | o rly? |
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| 06:40.54 | Kirkburn | Surprise! |
| 06:41.08 | Kirkburn | quits, useless internet |
| 06:42.55 | Fisker- | must be spore |
| 06:49.51 | mxs | anybody got the 8820->8885 Mac torrent ? |
| 06:49.56 | mxs | launcher has again not been updated |
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| 07:01.32 | SanitysDemise | Hey guys |
| 07:01.40 | SanitysDemise | Hey guys |
| 07:01.56 | SanitysDemise | Anyone tell me a good race for horde rogue |
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| 07:41.26 | *** topic/#wowwiki by Adys -> Welcome to #wowwiki, please read http://wowwiki.com/WW:IRC | UI&Macros: #wowuidev | CVN: #cvn-wikia-wowwiki | WotLK portal: http://wowwiki.com/Portal:WotLK | WotLK addons: http://www.wowwiki.com/WotLK_AddOn_status | Too soon, you have awakened me too soon! What is the meaning of this intrusion? |
| 07:45.04 | pcj | thats what she said |
| 07:45.12 | Adys | .. |
| 07:47.48 | mxs | Shit. |
| 07:47.55 | mxs | Blizzard just killed my life at wotlk release. |
| 07:48.01 | mxs | See http://a.wirebrain.de/wow/wotlk/ach/8895?diff=1. |
| 07:48.14 | mxs | "Realm First! Northrend Vanguard" "First player on the realm to gain exalted reputation with the Argent Crusade, Wyrmrest Accord, Kirin Tor and Knights of the Ebon Blade." |
| 07:48.24 | mxs | with a title reward |
| 08:02.36 | Bibi | the funny thing is |
| 08:02.54 | Bibi | at the release, most of these titles will be held by cheapgolddotcomrules and powerlevelingforfreedotcom |
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| 08:05.17 | mxs | doubt it |
| 08:05.30 | mxs | but the profession ones will be EXCLUSIVELY held by people willing to blow 30-50k on the profession |
| 08:05.44 | mxs | to get mats first |
| 08:05.44 | Bibi | well, it's a wonderful way to advertise serverwide |
| 08:06.02 | Kirkburn | I'm back, because I'm bored of waiting for the downloader to do stuff :P |
| 08:06.04 | mxs | you can get summoned to dalaran at level 70, right ? |
| 08:06.12 | mxs | Kirkburn: uh ... want a link ? |
| 08:06.16 | Kirkburn | mxs, I need your wonderful help :P |
| 08:06.31 | mxs | there you go |
| 08:06.45 | mxs | assuming you still want enGB :P |
| 08:07.35 | Kirkburn | of course |
| 08:07.50 | mxs | Bibi: I keep expecting mmo-c to steal^Wimplement the achievements differ ever since I originally did it, you guys are SLACKING ! |
| 08:07.59 | Kirkburn | I go from ~50kb/s ... to 1MB/s |
| 08:08.49 | mxs | Kirkburn: good to hear :) |
| 08:09.03 | Bibi | mxs : actually, I've got my own |
| 08:09.10 | Bibi | but never found the time to deploy it |
| 08:09.18 | Bibi | because there is no way to make it look nice |
| 08:14.07 | mxs | mine looks nice enough, thank you very mich :P |
| 08:14.10 | mxs | err much |
| 08:14.52 | Fisker- | mxs is the bestest |
| 08:15.09 | mxs | Fisker-: My backside has already been licked clean, today, no need ! |
| 08:15.09 | mxs | :P |
| 08:15.23 | Kirkburn | Too much info |
| 08:16.59 | Fisker- | you are still the bestest mxs |
| 08:17.42 | Bibi | Kirkburn: http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2008/august/iceTroll.jpg |
| 08:17.55 | Bibi | it's another model. |
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| 08:18.16 | Kirkburn | Cool |
| 08:18.54 | Fisker- | for fucks sake |
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| 10:14.30 | Kirkburn | *sigh* |
| 10:14.52 | Kirkburn | I wish my internet would stop disconnecting - I spend half my time at the login screen |
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| 10:27.44 | Ose_ | ok, so is the "connection between [[Clara Charles]] and [[Gregory Charles]] based on anything except that they share their last name? |
| 10:27.44 | Dotted | Ose_ meant: www.wowwiki.com/Clara_Charles, www.wowwiki.com/Gregory_Charles |
| 10:30.27 | Kirkburn | Ose, nope |
| 10:30.39 | Kirkburn | But Blizz does normally choose usrnames intentionally |
| 10:30.45 | Kirkburn | *surnames |
| 10:30.56 | Ose | myeah |
| 10:31.34 | Ose | Kirkburn: have all the winners replied yet? |
| 10:32.16 | Kirkburn | Ose, I don't know |
| 10:32.51 | Ose | meh |
| 10:34.10 | sacarasc | Kirkburn: you drew the winners wrong... i didn't get an email |
| 10:34.25 | Kirkburn | I'd say the opposite :O |
| 10:34.49 | Kirkburn | Too ... much ... handshaking ... grrr. |
| 10:36.46 | Fisker- | your internet won't help you there Kirkburn |
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| 10:44.50 | sacarasc | poor kirkburn being ddosed because he didn't pick the right people for the beta keys |
| 10:48.54 | Adys | http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=NB_AK4FhF9E |
| 10:53.18 | mxs | sacarasc: how did you know what I was doi.... err ... yeah, that must be it. |
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| 11:10.28 | Ose | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqYjsOqheOo is a song by Fisker- about his girlfriend |
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| 11:16.48 | sacarasc | Ose: plz2translate |
| 11:17.15 | Ose | what language rules do we have here? |
| 11:18.02 | Ose | "she has <soemthing a she shouldn't have>, and she should not" is a rough translation of the name |
| 11:19.48 | sacarasc | ah, Fisker-'s girl is really a guy |
| 11:20.41 | sacarasc | is probably g0urra |
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| 11:57.12 | Adys | [14:16:53] <Ose> what language rules do we have here? |
| 11:57.31 | Adys | dunno about the users but as an admin I can say Fisker- is a fucktard without this other Adys dude banning me |
| 11:57.55 | Ose | nice |
| 11:58.37 | Adys | also I think most of us know what a dick is, at least the ones who saw Corgan talking |
| 11:58.42 | Corgan | hi |
| 11:58.49 | Adys | see what I mean? |
| 11:58.55 | Ose | mhm |
| 11:59.40 | Corgan | why so Fisker- Adys |
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| 12:00.31 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+o g0urra] by ChanServ |
| 12:00.31 | Adys | Im out of quests :/ |
| 12:00.33 | Adys | decent quests |
| 12:00.36 | Fisker- | g0urra my enemy |
| 12:00.42 | Adys | hey g0urra we were just talking about dicks |
| 12:00.44 | Fisker- | why so connected? |
| 12:00.56 | g0urra | fuck you |
| 12:01.04 | Fisker- | no fuck you |
| 12:01.12 | Corgan | why so fuck you g0urra |
| 12:01.18 | Ose | no >:3 you |
| 12:01.23 | Corgan | :3 |
| 12:01.26 | g0urra | because I had a seizure last night |
| 12:01.27 | sacarasc | >:3 |
| 12:01.32 | g0urra | and today I feel shit |
| 12:01.36 | Fisker- | why so seirzurious? |
| 12:01.40 | Corgan | lol |
| 12:01.41 | *** kick/#wowwiki [Fisker-!n=g0urra@73-236.powerdsl.t3.se] by g0urra (g0urra) |
| 12:01.45 | *** kick/#wowwiki [Corgan!n=Adys@unaffiliated/adys] by Adys (watch your fucking language) |
| 12:01.45 | *** join/#wowwiki Fisker- (i=ballmer@62.61.142.209.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk) |
| 12:01.45 | *** join/#wowwiki Corgan (n=Corgan@cpe-66-91-6-220.hawaii.res.rr.com) |
| 12:02.16 | Corgan | why so abusive adys |
| 12:02.37 | amro | ~whalenuke Corgan |
| 12:02.37 | infobot | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around Corgan with his mind powers. |
| 12:02.45 | Adys | ~whaleslap Corgan |
| 12:02.46 | infobot | ACTION beats Corgan upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 12:02.59 | Fisker- | ~whalecum Corgan |
| 12:03.09 | Fisker- | why not? :( |
| 12:03.43 | Corgan | Fisker- my lover |
| 12:03.58 | Fisker- | Corgan my enemy |
| 12:04.10 | Corgan | don't deny me |
| 12:04.13 | Corgan | I'm already inside of you |
| 12:05.23 | Adys | ~whalekiss Corgan |
| 12:05.24 | infobot | ACTION makes hugh the formerly male whale give Corgan a kiss |
| 12:05.38 | Adys | ~listvalues whale |
| 12:05.50 | Corgan | ~shalecounterattack Addybot |
| 12:05.53 | Corgan | shale. |
| 12:05.55 | Corgan | sigh |
| 12:05.57 | Adys | DOUBLEFAIL |
| 12:06.02 | Adys | ~doublefail Corgan |
| 12:06.10 | Corgan | ~whalecounterattack Adys |
| 12:06.10 | infobot | ACTION responds by unleashing a flurry of blows with a indescribably enormous killer whale named Nathaniel upon Adys. |
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| 12:06.11 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+v Kaso] by ChanServ |
| 12:06.20 | Adys | ~whaleflurry Corgan |
| 12:06.20 | infobot | ACTION unleashes a flurry of slaps at Corgan using Gilbert - the ideal whale for the job |
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| 12:07.20 | Fisker- | btw g0urra |
| 12:07.24 | Fisker- | seen the new beacon of light? |
| 12:07.29 | Fisker- | i wonder how long it lasts |
| 12:07.32 | Fisker- | because it's >:3 |
| 12:07.33 | g0urra | >:3 |
| 12:07.35 | g0urra | <:3 |
| 12:07.36 | g0urra | :3 |
| 12:07.41 | g0urra | >:|3 |
| 12:07.42 | Fisker- | also |
| 12:07.47 | Corgan | >:3 |
| 12:07.51 | Fisker- | a man with balls on his face? |
| 12:08.16 | Fisker- | btw |
| 12:08.24 | Fisker- | anyone seen if you can level inscription past 300_ |
| 12:08.24 | Fisker- | + |
| 12:08.25 | g0urra | why can't you log in Fisker- |
| 12:08.25 | Fisker- | ? |
| 12:08.33 | Adys | you can |
| 12:08.36 | Fisker- | because Blizzard made this new change |
| 12:08.46 | Fisker- | "If Fisker (do stuff)" |
| 12:08.52 | Fisker- | i'm sure of it |
| 12:09.15 | g0urra | I'm stuck |
| 12:09.16 | g0urra | on connected |
| 12:09.18 | g0urra | forever |
| 12:09.35 | Fisker- | their fisker detecting mechanism is a bit broken |
| 12:13.29 | Adys | g0urra |
| 12:13.33 | Adys | im not done with the eula |
| 12:13.34 | Adys | lololol |
| 12:15.14 | Fisker- | 1-0 |
| 12:15.16 | Fisker- | well done |
| 12:15.17 | Fisker- | etc. |
| 12:15.51 | Fisker- | they should do like old games did for copy protection |
| 12:16.08 | Fisker- | "Please refer to Section 11 of the EULA, and type in the 5th word" |
| 12:16.12 | Fisker- | :D |
| 12:16.19 | Fisker- | everytime you login of course |
| 12:19.54 | amro | manual based protection ftw |
| 12:20.16 | amro | i guess photocopiers were expensive back then |
| 12:21.26 | Fisker- | you didn't have anything like character recognition widely available either |
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| 12:51.17 | Ithania | anyone got any advice on where to go to look for 39 bg twink gear for balance druid? |
| 12:54.01 | mxs | seems the blizzard bt tracker kicked the bucket |
| 12:54.51 | Ithania | hmm |
| 13:05.53 | mxs | not only did it kick the bucket |
| 13:05.59 | mxs | it also forgot the cumulative 8820 patch |
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| 13:44.45 | Kalroth | Kick the bucket! Dont kick the bucket! |
| 13:45.57 | Adys | kicks Kalroth's bucket but doesn't kick it |
| 13:46.10 | Kalroth | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oO4SWgrYyxU |
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| 13:47.00 | Nik420 | hello |
| 13:47.16 | Adys | hi what server do you play on |
| 13:48.13 | Nik420 | hey guys, is anyone else having validation issues. I logged in and got disconnected, now it won't accept my password in game or on the Account management website.. |
| 13:48.45 | Nik420 | Blackrock |
| 13:48.50 | Adys | us/eu |
| 13:48.55 | Nik420 | us |
| 13:49.04 | Adys | what does it say when you log in game? |
| 13:49.57 | Nik420 | can't login...standard window that comes up when you mistype your password, but i know i am entering it right |
| 13:50.09 | Adys | since when |
| 13:50.11 | Nik420 | same on blizz website too |
| 13:50.18 | Nik420 | bout 5 minutes ago |
| 13:50.32 | Nik420 | got in once, got booted, and then it no longer worked |
| 13:50.45 | Adys | sounds bad |
| 13:50.56 | Adys | id recommend calling blizz to get the acct locked |
| 13:50.57 | Nik420 | hope it is just a authentication server problem |
| 13:51.10 | Nik420 | are they available on saturday? |
| 13:51.10 | Adys | if you got booted i dont wanna be mean but i strongly doubt it |
| 13:51.15 | Adys | yea think so |
| 13:51.25 | Nik420 | got a phone number? |
| 13:51.36 | Adys | no idea but prob on worldofwarcraft.com |
| 13:52.31 | Nik420 | k, 'll try, but the one i found on site said mon-Fri |
| 13:52.35 | Adys | also i suggest running an antivirus/spyware detector or whatever (or do yourself a favor and install an OS that doesnt suck) |
| 13:52.50 | Adys | hmm |
| 13:53.05 | Adys | got any friends ingame which you can contact over gtalk/msn/whatever ? |
| 13:53.52 | Nik420 | I run on a mac...no viruses :) |
| 13:54.24 | Adys | then dont visit porn sites with naked night elves that offer free beta keys |
| 13:54.42 | Nik420 | didn't..lol |
| 13:55.05 | Adys | keyloggers can be easily made through javascript in a bad ad or whatever |
| 13:55.11 | Fisker- | Whether or not your os suck doesn't matter, the thought you believe any kind of software to be superior in design in regards to exploitation is what will ultimately become your downfall, etc. |
| 13:55.17 | Adys | shut the fuck up |
| 13:55.21 | Fisker- | no u |
| 13:55.48 | tutts | Some OSes are better than others. |
| 13:55.54 | tutts | The misconception is that some are immune. |
| 13:55.56 | Fisker- | And if you have access to your e-mail and still know your SQ/SA you can reset your password Nik420 |
| 13:56.06 | Adys | just like half the world is mentally healthier than Fisker- |
| 13:56.14 | Adys | yeah |
| 13:56.16 | Nik420 | k, i'll tyr that |
| 13:56.17 | Fisker- | only half? |
| 13:56.19 | Adys | id reset pw |
| 13:56.32 | Nik420 | phone support not open :( |
| 13:56.37 | Adys | yeah the humanity isnt that good Fisker- |
| 13:57.03 | Fisker- | Also be sure to read through the mails, sometimes they will change your e-mail, but that requires verification from the old email, but some people still allow the hackers to do this |
| 13:58.16 | tutts | I thought I was hacked a while ago. Turned out the program I used to clone keypresses to multiple programs made one of the characters in my password get entered twice. |
| 13:59.00 | Eraclito | hu? new titles in wotlk? |
| 13:59.06 | tutts | If you, like me, have been taking advantage of the new recruitment bonuses to create a second account to play at the same time as the first (multibox), make sure this isn't what you're doing wrong. |
| 13:59.58 | Adys | and make sure you arent cloning keypresses to irc either pr84as99e |
| 14:00.11 | tutts | That too :P |
| 14:00.36 | Fisker- | i still don't get why Realm First <insert here> is not considered an achievement |
| 14:00.39 | Nik420 | just got a temp password thru e-mail...and turned on Little Snitch on the very faint possibility i have a keylogger...never heard of one that could be installed remotely on OSX |
| 14:00.51 | Fisker- | If it's an achievement to beat them, surely it must be an even greater achievement to be the first? :o |
| 14:01.10 | Adys | Nik420, there are keyloggers that can just run in web apps |
| 14:01.12 | tutts | It's an achievement but not an Achievement... if that makes sense. |
| 14:01.25 | Fisker- | i know tutts |
| 14:01.33 | Fisker- | That is what bothers me |
| 14:01.47 | tutts | And it's not an Achievement because Achievements are supposed to be available to anyone. |
| 14:02.01 | Fisker- | If anything shit like "Omg i has money to open up new account and invite myself to get a mount, lols" should be a feat of strength |
| 14:02.09 | Fisker- | tutts |
| 14:02.26 | Fisker- | "omg i has money to open up a new account and invite myself to a get mount, lols" is not available to everyone |
| 14:02.41 | tutts | I know. |
| 14:02.42 | Fisker- | also being first is available to everyone, you just have to be first >:3 |
| 14:02.56 | tutts | Ask Blizzard wtf is up with that, not me :P |
| 14:03.04 | Adys | quit missing the point or quit the chan seriously Fisker- >,> |
| 14:03.31 | Fisker- | nah i'm good |
| 14:06.11 | tutts | btw Fisker-, you qouldn't happen to be the fellow known as "Fiskerdin" on the EU customer support forums? |
| 14:06.15 | tutts | *wouldn't |
| 14:06.21 | Adys | its him |
| 14:06.23 | Adys | the same jackass |
| 14:06.32 | tutts | Cool :) |
| 14:06.36 | Adys | not really |
| 14:06.52 | tutts | ? |
| 14:07.12 | Fisker- | he's french tutts |
| 14:07.30 | tutts | Ah, so not you. |
| 14:07.41 | tutts | Figured I'd ask, the names are similar. |
| 14:07.43 | Adys | hes talking about me |
| 14:07.50 | tutts | ... |
| 14:07.51 | Fisker- | yes |
| 14:07.52 | Adys | Fisker- = Fiskerdin = retard |
| 14:07.53 | tutts | *confused* |
| 14:08.12 | tutts | smiles and nods. |
| 14:08.20 | Adys | see eh agrees |
| 14:08.21 | Adys | he |
| 14:08.37 | Fisker- | my message was sent before yours! |
| 14:08.55 | tutts | [16:05:55] <Fisker-> yes |
| 14:08.56 | tutts | [16:05:56] <@Adys> Fisker- = Fiskerdin = retard |
| 14:09.08 | Adys | [17:07:50] * tutts smiles and nods. |
| 14:09.08 | Adys | [17:07:57] <@Adys> see eh agrees |
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| 14:10.07 | Nik420 | my account did get hacked :( |
| 14:10.15 | tutts | eep |
| 14:10.17 | Adys | not good |
| 14:10.22 | Adys | got online yet? |
| 14:10.33 | tutts | Do you know the secret question and answer? |
| 14:10.33 | Nik420 | i reset the pass in time to save all my gear except my 58 mage i was on when i got hacked |
| 14:10.39 | Nik420 | yep |
| 14:10.49 | tutts | Good. |
| 14:10.56 | tutts | Can you get into the account in Management? |
| 14:11.09 | Nik420 | it cannot be a keylogger i think...or why didn't they hit my 3 70s at the top of the list first |
| 14:11.27 | tutts | The systems that do the actual hacking are probably automated. |
| 14:11.31 | Nik420 | they only cleared out the one i was loged into at the time i got booted |
| 14:11.40 | tutts | Meaning, the ones that clear out characters. |
| 14:12.20 | sacarasc | Nik420: sucks, be more careful next time |
| 14:12.36 | Adys | when you have a bad ad open you have a bad ad open |
| 14:12.38 | Nik420 | please explain how to be more careful? |
| 14:12.50 | Adys | there isnt really much you can do about it |
| 14:13.10 | Nik420 | I have never give pass to anyone...there are no ad based exploits that work on a mac |
| 14:13.17 | tutts | Do not visit x-girls-y-cups.dk? |
| 14:13.23 | Adys | yeah there are Nik420 |
| 14:13.32 | Nik420 | I actually run adblock plus on Firefox |
| 14:13.33 | tutts | Macs are not immune. |
| 14:13.44 | Adys | the ad based exploits are as cross platform as the browser is |
| 14:13.51 | Adys | if anything use safari |
| 14:13.55 | Nik420 | noone uses mac but me, and ads to not display |
| 14:14.00 | tutts | Also, do not purchase gold or leveling/other farming services. That will actually get your account hacked. |
| 14:14.09 | Nik420 | didn't buy that shit |
| 14:14.31 | tutts | Well no, most people don't. |
| 14:14.51 | sacarasc | i bought some from you yesterday, tutts |
| 14:15.14 | Adys | only advice i can give is dont visit websites with bad ads |
| 14:15.20 | tutts | Oh yeah. And then I made you cookies, right? |
| 14:15.39 | sacarasc | the cookies weren't that good, but the gold was useful |
| 14:15.50 | tutts | Aye, my gold is the best. |
| 14:16.03 | Nik420 | to sum up, I do not click on ads, because they do not appear in my browser...I do not buy gold or levelling services....I do not have a keylogger installed on my system according to my Littlesnitch security software |
| 14:16.06 | Adys | good idea clear your cookies once in a while |
| 14:16.17 | Adys | adblock isnt a security nik |
| 14:16.28 | Adys | adblock doesnt destroy the ad element it hides it |
| 14:16.54 | tutts | Your password can be stolen by you entering it into what you think is the official account management page. |
| 14:17.02 | sacarasc | Nik420: noscript can also be useful, you only run sripts from sites you specify |
| 14:17.42 | tutts | Basically, there are more ways you could have been hacked than there are dalmatians in that Disney movie. |
| 14:18.03 | tutts | There are more ways you could have been hacked than there are pokémon fanfics. |
| 14:18.09 | Nik420 | sorry guys, but I'm not some noob...I've worked tech support for many years...I know all the phishing scams and stuff...I am careful about this stuff |
| 14:18.13 | tutts | What does the scouter say about the number of ways he could have been hacked? |
| 14:18.26 | Adys | i have to agree with Nik420 tutts |
| 14:18.32 | Adys | at some point you cant be more careful |
| 14:18.36 | Nik420 | I don't surf porn sites |
| 14:18.39 | Adys | you just gotta hope you arent hacked |
| 14:18.43 | Adys | liar |
| 14:18.57 | Adys | besides porn sites arent likely to get you a wow keylogger |
| 14:19.00 | Nik420 | lol...really i don't |
| 14:19.20 | tutts | True, at some point you can't be more careful |
| 14:19.23 | Nik420 | I bitorrented terabytes of porn and have them stored on DVDs |
| 14:19.40 | Nik420 | those porn sites are annoying...gave them up years ago |
| 14:19.51 | tutts | There are some good ones still. |
| 14:19.54 | Adys | [17:18:20] <@Adys> liar |
| 14:20.15 | tutts | The best ones are the ones with user generated content. |
| 14:20.44 | Nik420 | I'd rather just torrent for porn, much easier |
| 14:20.58 | Adys | boring you dont live on the edge of the risk |
| 14:21.08 | tutts | Direct viewing is instant, no downloading. |
| 14:21.19 | tutts | Plus you can see stuff before you save it to a permanent location. |
| 14:22.02 | tutts | Oh, and even bittorrented stuff can have keyloggers. |
| 14:22.14 | Nik420 | not AVI files |
| 14:22.28 | tutts | You download nothing but AVI files? |
| 14:22.31 | Nik420 | and definitely not for OSX |
| 14:22.39 | Adys | flash has more exploits that js |
| 14:22.42 | Nik420 | avi, mpg, mp4 |
| 14:22.45 | tutts | OSX isn't immune to anything. |
| 14:22.47 | Adys | dont browse sites with flash |
| 14:22.48 | Nik420 | nothing else |
| 14:23.05 | Nik420 | tutts...give me an example please |
| 14:23.09 | mxs | so APPARENTLY if you download 70 files at once, WoW lags. |
| 14:23.12 | tutts | Of what, an OSX virus? |
| 14:23.23 | mxs | I hereby call for congressional hearings on this grave and important issue. |
| 14:23.45 | Adys | mxs |
| 14:23.48 | Adys | Im looking into it |
| 14:23.50 | Nik420 | yes, that will work an a currently updated version of leopardd |
| 14:24.03 | mxs | Nik420: Continue to believe what you believe. I encourage my competitors to subscribe to your newsletter. |
| 14:24.28 | Adys | also er yea Nik420 theres a fair few viruses on os x |
| 14:24.40 | Nik420 | lol...example please |
| 14:24.45 | mxs | I absolutely LOVE it when Mac people proclaim their system more secure because they are Macs. I really do. It leads to them being arrogant and clicking on everything -- because after all, the yare secure. |
| 14:24.56 | Nik420 | tht can install itself without me being stupid and running it myself |
| 14:25.10 | tutts | http://www.webmasterworld.com/macintosh_webmaster/3576498.htm <- second result on Google for "mac osx virus leopard". |
| 14:25.14 | Nik420 | I know better than that |
| 14:25.16 | mxs | since they are so secure, they also never check for any signs of infection, let alone learn about proper system security and how it works |
| 14:25.29 | sacarasc | wait... you don't surf porn, Nik420? |
| 14:25.38 | Nik420 | no |
| 14:25.40 | cbreak | while obviously all windows users are knowledgeable in security... |
| 14:25.40 | tutts | He doesn't "surf" it, he "downloads" it. |
| 14:25.47 | mxs | ah, so Apple has developed a developer that cannot produce buffer overflows in the languages they use ... Man, they are ADVANCED, those apple folks |
| 14:25.55 | tutts | mxs talked about individual Mac users, not all... |
| 14:26.07 | cbreak | mxs: ever heard of ALR? |
| 14:26.08 | mxs | cbreak: that's not the point ... the point is that windows users don't get into the mindset that their system is secure |
| 14:26.28 | Adys | yeah they get into the mindset that their OS is better than mac os and linux |
| 14:26.31 | Adys | which is a lot worse |
| 14:26.32 | cbreak | most windows user don't even know that there is something that could possibly happen |
| 14:26.40 | tutts | There are fewer viruses for Macs simply because there are fewer Macs to put viruses on. |
| 14:26.42 | cbreak | I've seen a few that thought that IE was "the internet" |
| 14:26.49 | Adys | thats untrue tutts |
| 14:26.56 | mxs | cbreak: as do most mac users. But many, many Mac users have this mindset that it won't happen BECAUSE they are on a Mac |
| 14:26.57 | tutts | It is? |
| 14:26.59 | mxs | which is patent folly |
| 14:27.11 | Nik420 | dude, I'm not some idiot who bought a mac because i believe they are 100% secure, nothing is, not even my toaster. I understand what to do and not to do to avoid infections after many painful years running and doing tech support for windows |
| 14:27.29 | Adys | run a scan on your toaster |
| 14:27.50 | mxs | my toaster has some pretty nifty security features |
| 14:28.01 | mxs | it'll blow a fuse before it burns down the house, for instance |
| 14:28.02 | Adys | here's a link for a good toaster scanner: http://www.keyloggerforfree.cn/toasterscan_premium_cracked_v5.1.app |
| 14:28.13 | tutts | :P |
| 14:28.51 | mxs | as for all those armchair arguments about Macs not getting attacked as much because there are fewer, that's stemming from the same exact mindset. |
| 14:29.02 | Adys | ^ |
| 14:29.10 | mxs | (it is actually pretty advantageous to pwn a Mac compared to a Windows machine) |
| 14:29.36 | tutts | The way I understood it the viruses were fewer in number but the same in potency... |
| 14:29.57 | cbreak | the key of a virus is automated distribution |
| 14:30.09 | cbreak | viruses aren't a problem for macs because of that |
| 14:30.11 | Adys | a successful crack into a linux or mac system has much more potential than a windows virus |
| 14:30.19 | cbreak | but there is plenty of other types of malware that can be a real threat |
| 14:30.42 | tutts | That argument actually makes sense though, since there are more Windows machines malicious people will be more interested in making viruses for them... |
| 14:30.43 | mxs | tutts: well, naturally. They run on a computer, and neither OSX nor Windows are systems that I would consider to have proper barriers to Ring0 if you want to be REALLY secure. Therefore both have the capability to utterly control all aspects of the machine and wreak the same havoc |
| 14:31.30 | mxs | tutts: as opposed to machines where their owners will not believe they have been h4x0red until much later, attributing slowness to their ISP or some such ? |
| 14:31.52 | mxs | as for mass distribution : just infiltrate .mac usergroups, check out iChat AV, etc. |
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| 14:32.05 | cbreak | do you honestly think that a proper intrusion causes slowness? |
| 14:32.13 | mxs | there are plenty of attack vectors you can use, and not all of them have to be the big whonking hammer like Code Red used to be |
| 14:32.28 | mxs | cbreak: did I say that ? :> |
| 14:32.36 | cbreak | you implied it :) |
| 14:32.44 | Adys | he didnt |
| 14:32.47 | mxs | I honestly believe that a thoroughly zombified machine WILL experience slowness of internet conenctivity and machine |
| 14:32.50 | tutts | Meh, I'm no security expert, I'll trust you over my own faulty assumptions. |
| 14:33.07 | mxs | if the zombie gets used, anyway |
| 14:33.12 | Adys | dont consider your assumptions faulty tutts |
| 14:33.12 | mxs | otherwise it's just another background daemon |
| 14:33.24 | cbreak | it depends on the purpose |
| 14:33.25 | tutts | They usually are :P |
| 14:33.31 | mxs | tutts: bad idea, I might be selling snake oil |
| 14:33.35 | cbreak | key logging is not really resource intensive |
| 14:33.40 | Adys | mac viruses would be a lot more spread if there was more actual mac users |
| 14:33.57 | mxs | tutts: If you have assumptions you feel are being challenged, research whether your assumption was right, and if itwasn't, why it wasn't |
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| 14:34.08 | Adys | that precisely |
| 14:34.08 | tutts | Well I would. |
| 14:34.55 | mxs | It's usually a bad idea to believe people who scream "fire" when you can't see any |
| 14:34.56 | tutts | Except my assumptions being right or wrong makes no real difference to me, I will be playing WoW tonight regardless of whether I think Macs have some sort of opposite to safety in numbers or not. |
| 14:35.12 | mxs | (9 times out of 10, those people will want to sell you water) |
| 14:35.17 | Adys | [17:34:52] -tutts- VERSION mIRC v6.2 Khaled Mardam-Bey |
| 14:35.24 | Adys | brb finding an exploit |
| 14:36.00 | Adys | which brings me to a totally different point by the way |
| 14:36.01 | tutts | No need. |
| 14:36.04 | Adys | dont fucking use mIRC |
| 14:36.07 | tutts | Type !kill <whatever>. |
| 14:36.17 | tutts | And see what happens. |
| 14:36.32 | Adys | i made ragestorm quit |
| 14:36.45 | tutts | Right. |
| 14:36.58 | mxs | Adys: 100% correct. EVERYBODY should be using IRSSI. |
| 14:37.09 | Adys | dont care what they use as long as its not mirc |
| 14:37.14 | tutts | Why not mIRC? |
| 14:37.16 | cbreak | I like colloquy |
| 14:37.30 | Adys | they could be using ie6 on a cgi irc interface for all i care |
| 14:37.32 | Adys | its better than mirc |
| 14:37.52 | tutts | You have yet to point out why mIRC is no good... |
| 14:37.57 | Fisker- | the crash bug in 6.1x was funnies |
| 14:37.59 | Adys | because it fucking sucks |
| 14:38.05 | Fisker- | especially since you could crash everyone in a channel |
| 14:38.05 | tutts | -.- |
| 14:38.15 | tutts | Why does it suck? |
| 14:38.32 | tutts | It has what I need, and I don't need anything more. |
| 14:38.33 | Adys | because it asks you to pay thirty bucks for something you shouldnt be using |
| 14:38.52 | tutts | ...you can just wait for a few seconds and click the Continue button anyway. |
| 14:39.06 | Adys | www.silverex.org |
| 14:39.12 | Adys | www.irssi.org |
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| 14:39.32 | tutts | I've never paid a dime and I've been using mIRC for years. |
| 14:39.40 | cbreak | http://colloquy.info/ |
| 14:39.52 | Adys | I've never paid a dime and I've been using a decent client for years |
| 14:40.43 | Adys | one that doesnt .. you know .. ask you to pay for automated ping replies and pretty arranging of streamed data |
| 14:40.50 | tutts | You STILL haven't pointed out what's wrong with mIRC, except you can pay for it. |
| 14:41.10 | Adys | bingo, thats whats wrong with it |
| 14:41.17 | tutts | mIRC doesn't make you pay for automated ping replies. |
| 14:41.35 | Adys | I have no problem with horribly expensive software or whatever alike etc etc |
| 14:41.46 | Adys | but making you pay for an IRC client is like making you pay for a notepad clone |
| 14:42.04 | tutts | But how is it wrong that you CAN pay for something when you don't have to? O.o |
| 14:42.21 | tutts | They don't MAKE you pay. |
| 14:42.33 | Adys | you play wow? I guess you do |
| 14:42.41 | Adys | imagine the situation |
| 14:42.52 | Adys | I got some very common enchant.. say, beastslaying whatever |
| 14:43.14 | Adys | you're asking me for that enchant because someone else told you I was a "known enchanter" |
| 14:43.52 | Adys | and I charge you 100 gold for the enchant because I can. you have the choice between waiting 10 minutes at the trade window or paying that |
| 14:44.18 | Adys | what you dont realize is you can go to someone who doesnt act like an asshole at that point |
| 14:44.30 | Adys | because "its fine for me to wait 10 mins I dont have anything else to do anyway" |
| 14:44.45 | Fisker- | nah Adys you got it all wrong |
| 14:44.46 | tutts | ...except mIRC makes you wait 5 seconds, not 10 minutes. |
| 14:44.53 | Fisker- | mirc has multiplayer, notepad is singleplayer only |
| 14:45.09 | Adys | yeah and Im charging you 100 gold, not 30 usb |
| 14:45.11 | Adys | usd |
| 14:45.30 | Adys | for 30 usd nowadays you get like 3000 gold or something i guess |
| 14:45.35 | tutts | Yeah, I'm not gonna figure out the gold-to-USD rate because there is no such rate. |
| 14:46.14 | Adys | $36.77 2000G WOW US |
| 14:46.19 | Adys | there you go |
| 14:46.33 | tutts | Also, a 10 minute wait time is a problem, 5 seconds is just a very minor annoyance. |
| 14:46.51 | mxs | we need a channel bot with !goldto$$ |
| 14:46.59 | Addybot | At your service |
| 14:47.03 | mxs | as for why mIRC sucks, that is pretty plain to see. |
| 14:47.09 | Adys | Im not asking you to care neither about the 10 mins nor the 5 seconds |
| 14:47.12 | mxs | it has a scripting language. |
| 14:47.20 | mxs | One that you REALLY don't want to call "language" |
| 14:47.21 | tutts | ...yeah? |
| 14:47.27 | tutts | How is a scripting language a problem? |
| 14:47.30 | mxs | one that was designed so badly that it's a PAIN to do anything in it. |
| 14:47.39 | mxs | you asked why mIRC sucked. |
| 14:47.43 | mxs | I'm answering |
| 14:47.58 | Adys | Im asking you to care about the 30 bucks you dont have to pay, but that you are permanently reminded that you havent paid you suck ass you blow whatever you want pay me pay me pay me ill write patches |
| 14:47.58 | mxs | One that has been riddled with security problems for ages |
| 14:48.09 | mxs | hell, you can't even look at the source to see what other atrocities are in there |
| 14:48.29 | tutts | Well yeah, you did make more of a point than Adys did. I still don't see why a scripting language is a problem, even a horrible one, when it's not forced onto you. |
| 14:48.42 | Adys | security issues |
| 14:48.47 | mxs | (not that I'd want to look at mIRC's source, having used it > 10 years ago and tried off and on since) |
| 14:48.50 | Adys | but Im not gonna go there |
| 14:49.06 | Adys | to me its totally fucking wrong to charge for an IRC client |
| 14:49.18 | mxs | tutts: well, to me, it speaks volumes about the rest of the client and its robustness / design |
| 14:49.34 | mxs | then again, I'm content using irssi. |
| 14:49.41 | mxs | and scripting in Perl. |
| 14:49.49 | Adys | python |
| 14:50.04 | mxs | pick your poison, mine includes Perl. |
| 14:50.13 | Adys | python |
| 14:50.15 | mxs | Perl is like the girlfriend that will do ANYthing. |
| 14:50.23 | tutts | For an mIRC script to do anything to you you have to load it into mIRC yourself. And unlike many, I can actually read an mIRC script that doesn't use a "decode-something-then-run-it" trick and I'm not stupid enough to run one of those. |
| 14:50.25 | mxs | Python has pretty strong preconceived notions as to what goes where, when. |
| 14:50.38 | Adys | yeah and python is the girlfriend that will do anything and actually doesnt have pubic hair on the face |
| 14:51.05 | mxs | tutts: so you know what handlers in mIRC see everything that comes in and out of mIRC ? |
| 14:51.31 | mxs | Adys: oy, don't you blemish Perl's pretty face ! |
| 14:51.38 | tutts | I don't know *everything*, but I know where to look up the stuff I don't know. |
| 14:52.17 | mxs | tutts: my point being that, having seen the Scripting language (and various other things in mIRC), I don't exactly trust its developer to do the right thing when it comes to the important stuff. |
| 14:52.21 | mxs | Like security. |
| 14:52.52 | tutts | Fair enough. |
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| 14:53.12 | tutts | I don't see what mIRC could do to your computer unless you load a script, enlighten me? |
| 14:53.21 | mxs | Adys: Python as a girlfriend looks kinda like a supermodel, but really doesn't like it when you don't do it missionary style. |
| 14:53.42 | Adys | OH FUCK YEAH |
| 14:53.45 | Adys | ITS FINALLY RAINING |
| 14:53.45 | mxs | Perl looks more like the girl next door (not the ugly one), and is a lot more open-minded. |
| 14:54.53 | mxs | I do wonder where Haskell would fit in on that scale though. |
| 14:55.05 | tutts | Meh, AFK for now. |
| 14:55.05 | Adys | yeah mxs, except that everyone in the area slept with the girl next door |
| 14:55.23 | mxs | tutts: oh, sorry, oversaw that |
| 14:55.47 | mxs | tutts: any network-capable program has to deal with lots of untrusted data from untrusted sources |
| 14:56.05 | mxs | my meaning is that I just don't trust Khaled or whatever his name is to know how to handle untrusted data properly |
| 14:56.08 | mxs | or that he cares enough |
| 14:56.16 | mxs | Adys: dude, orgies are fun ! |
| 14:56.26 | mxs | the good kind, not the nasty kind |
| 14:56.36 | Adys | until you see the face the "other dude next door" has |
| 14:56.45 | mxs | I suppose Haskell would be the reall flexible kind of girlfriend |
| 14:57.06 | mxs | the one that challenges your notions of anatomy |
| 14:57.12 | Adys | asp would be the prostitute |
| 14:57.20 | mxs | Adys: that would be the nasty kind of orgy |
| 14:57.29 | mxs | I mean the good kind of orgy where Perl invites Python and Haskell to play |
| 14:57.36 | Adys | asks you for a pay and you badly regret it |
| 14:57.38 | mxs | only Haskell answers, but Python really wishes she would come |
| 14:58.05 | mxs | Lisp would be the one with real bouncy, round features |
| 14:58.13 | Adys | Java would be like, the really, really fat girlfriend |
| 14:58.15 | mxs | and a really fucked-up mind |
| 14:58.25 | Adys | but everyone says "who cares, you can do anything to her" |
| 14:58.37 | Adys | it takes ages to find your fun |
| 14:58.42 | Adys | but everyone says... |
| 14:58.50 | mxs | Adys: she's got built-in protection, too |
| 14:59.02 | Adys | like php |
| 14:59.22 | Adys | php is the one that just came out of three or four surgeries |
| 14:59.31 | mxs | Assembler would be the really old, crufty hag that has seen it all, done it all, and gets you off faster than all the others combined regardless |
| 14:59.37 | Adys | to get ankles, breasts, belly and piercings remade |
| 14:59.59 | mxs | yeah, but the surgeon didn't really know what he was doing. It shows. |
| 15:00.07 | Adys | the surgeons |
| 15:00.11 | Adys | he wasnt alone |
| 15:00.13 | mxs | indeed :> |
| 15:00.35 | mxs | Ruby is the one with a lot of makeup-knowledge, but really, really slow in the head. |
| 15:00.42 | Adys | haha |
| 15:01.04 | mxs | Basic is underage, you sick fuck. |
| 15:01.16 | Adys | basic isnt underage |
| 15:01.19 | Adys | its just jailbait |
| 15:01.33 | mxs | no, PowerBasic is jailbait |
| 15:01.37 | cbreak | basic already has offsprings... |
| 15:01.38 | mxs | Basic is underage |
| 15:02.12 | mxs | Pascal is the creepy chick your mom knows. |
| 15:02.23 | Adys | html is the travestite |
| 15:02.25 | Adys | NOT A REAL GIRL |
| 15:02.47 | mxs | XML would be the hermaphrodite, then |
| 15:03.32 | Adys | xsl is her little sister who always wants to join the fun, but never gets to because shes just... unnecessary |
| 15:03.58 | mxs | SQL is the kind of girl you'd fear. She's got your IQ beat by about 60-70, which sometimes leads her to ponder the universe in all its inticracy when you ask her "wanna fuck?" |
| 15:04.19 | mxs | By the time she answers, you already called Perl over |
| 15:05.21 | mxs | Lua is the really clingy one. Never seen without her other half. |
| 15:05.29 | Adys | ecmascript & co are the band of "coolgirls" around in town everyone knows, everyone touched a bit, but no one has actually fun with |
| 15:06.00 | mxs | except for HTML |
| 15:06.45 | mxs | Brainfuck is the one that insists she can do anything, but nobody's seen her do it. |
| 15:07.49 | Adys | css is the stripper |
| 15:07.57 | Adys | claims to be able to hang out with anyone |
| 15:08.08 | Adys | but in fact you only see her with the same dudes |
| 15:08.30 | mxs | unrelated to this discussion : the concept of Brainfuck Server Pages intrigues me every time I think about BF :) |
| 15:08.57 | Adys | BF port of apache |
| 15:08.58 | Adys | do want |
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| 15:18.54 | Gnarfoz | isn't there one, already? |
| 15:19.01 | Gnarfoz | probably cgi |
| 15:19.01 | Gnarfoz | ;p |
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| 15:23.57 | mxs | Adys: actually, it's a project of a friend of mine -- and he is a PHP nut |
| 15:24.11 | mxs | http://daniel.lorch.cc/projects/brainfuck/ |
| 15:24.17 | mxs | there is a mod_bsp somewhere, as well |
| 15:26.18 | Fisker- | nice |
| 15:26.21 | Fisker- | inofficial logos |
| 15:31.22 | mxs | to the wirebrain mail address : |
| 15:31.25 | mxs | " Good day,my name is >removed<,I will like to know if you have Mirror in sock for sell..if yes you do,i will like you to go ahead and replied me back with the type and size of the Mirror you have and also what kind of payment do you accept." |
| 15:31.58 | mxs | That has to be the single greatest mail ever received by a patch mirror site. |
| 15:33.46 | Gnarfoz | lol |
| 15:33.58 | Gnarfoz | also, hi, your page rocks. |
| 15:34.35 | Adys | Im gonna pass out of exhaustion soon >< |
| 15:50.12 | mxs | plenty of people seem to have gotten new beta keys in the past 1-2 days, and some time yesterday, the patch downloader they are all getting for the 8622->8820 patch is stalling, noting that the download is not authorized. Fun to watch. |
| 15:50.52 | cbreak | doesn't really matter |
| 15:50.56 | cbreak | the server is down anyway |
| 15:51.45 | mxs | yeah, but people have been spending 18-20 hours on that download already now ... |
| 15:51.55 | mxs | I sure hope somebody is awake in Irvine :) |
| 15:51.59 | cbreak | I downloaded it in about one hour |
| 15:52.22 | cbreak | but that was maybe 14 hours ago, so things might have changed |
| 15:52.36 | Adys | servs arent down |
| 15:52.43 | Adys | im playing on them right now |
| 15:52.44 | mxs | cbreak: it definitely has changed ;) |
| 15:52.52 | cbreak | I can not login |
| 15:52.59 | cbreak | blizzard should really add a second server... |
| 15:53.07 | mxs | cbreak: problem is that the tracker responds with 404s at least ont eh windows version |
| 15:53.10 | mxs | uhm |
| 15:53.12 | Adys | working around a problem is not a solution |
| 15:53.12 | mxs | cbreak ... |
| 15:53.19 | mxs | there are two servers. |
| 15:53.22 | cbreak | no |
| 15:53.23 | mxs | Northrend and Lich King |
| 15:53.27 | cbreak | there's only coldara |
| 15:53.42 | mxs | ah, cbreak is one of those European people |
| 15:53.45 | mxs | they smell |
| 15:53.48 | Fisker- | Blizzard doesn't care about european people, etc. |
| 15:54.00 | mxs | Fisker- REALLY smells |
| 15:54.08 | mxs | err ... actually ... |
| 15:54.14 | mxs | *heads off to change clothes* |
| 16:09.48 | Gnarfoz | Adys: I haet you right now |
| 16:10.59 | Adys | ok |
| 16:11.02 | Adys | why? |
| 16:11.09 | Gnarfoz | <@Adys> im playing on them right now |
| 16:11.20 | Adys | yea since about 14 hours |
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| 16:12.03 | Gnarfoz | pfeh :X |
| 16:12.16 | Gnarfoz | I'm trying to log in for about 14 hours now. |
| 16:12.31 | Adys | so i hear yea |
| 16:12.38 | Adys | dont understand |
| 16:12.44 | Adys | i even relogged a few times |
| 16:12.52 | Vindheim | Bonsoir :) I love French people. |
| 16:13.03 | Adys | hi voluspa |
| 16:13.24 | Vindheim | Greetings! I thought I'd stop by and see how you're doing! |
| 16:13.36 | Adys | Im in a good mood its raining |
| 16:13.46 | Adys | havent seen rain since about eight weeks now |
| 16:14.31 | Vindheim | Ok; well, then at least you have an excuse for playing WoW ;) |
| 16:15.44 | Vindheim | Anyway, what do you think about the Death Knight quest chain? |
| 16:16.04 | Adys | didnt do it since second beta build |
| 16:16.09 | Adys | but its really good |
| 16:16.59 | Vindheim | So you really like the battle between the Lich King and the other guy? |
| 16:17.17 | Adys | yea as i said its been a while i didnt do it |
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| 16:18.15 | Vindheim | Well, I think Blizzard can do better. |
| 16:19.03 | Vindheim | Currently, I think it looks more like a poorly made machinima manga mashup. |
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| 16:36.59 | mxs | I'm gonna spend the next half hour giggling like a schoolgirl as I watch X-Files again. |
| 16:37.04 | mxs | this time in English. |
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| 16:38.08 | Vindheim | Question! |
| 16:38.47 | Vindheim | How can I remove those ugly pictures plaguing no.wowwiki.com? |
| 16:38.59 | Fisker- | what ugly pictures? |
| 16:39.21 | Fisker- | sure there's not mirrors attached to the monitor, hoho, etc. |
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| 16:39.30 | Vindheim | Walrus and CO. |
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| 16:39.53 | Vindheim | Haha, very funny ;) |
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| 16:41.54 | Fisker- | doesn't know walrus and co. though :( |
| 16:43.15 | Vindheim | Take a look at no.wowwiki.com |
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| 16:48.00 | Vindheim | ~infobot |
| 16:48.00 | infobot | vindheim, I love abuse, feed me!, or an interactive bot that can learn all sorts of information (http://www.infobot.org/), or updated sources at http://infobot.sf.net/ |
| 16:48.17 | Vindheim | ~Vindheim |
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| 17:15.53 | Xeneonic | Heya, me and a couple of others were wondering some things regarding to Undead in general, not necessarily The Forsaken, about how they, how you call it, "perish" in combat. Most information I could read in the wiki is that there's a soul bound to the body. If he or she perishes in combat he or she could be resurrected to the "unlife" state. |
| 17:16.33 | Xeneonic | Nothing is shown about exactly "how" an Undead can die. Sure, in WoW it's simple hitpoints and once you reduce that to 0 he or she dies, but how does that go in warcraft lore? |
| 17:17.27 | Bagginsww | they'd pretty much have to be broken to bits |
| 17:17.51 | Bagginsww | average damage doesn't really phase them much as I recall |
| 17:18.01 | Xeneonic | On the other side simple "footmen" are able to defeat them with simple swords as far as i know |
| 17:18.05 | Bagginsww | they aren't "alive" as a living being is |
| 17:18.11 | Xeneonic | Ofcourse The Ashbringer is an exception that is |
| 17:18.18 | Xeneonic | Indeed |
| 17:18.27 | Bagginsww | well we are basically shattering them more or less I think |
| 17:18.35 | Bagginsww | or destroying whatever animates them |
| 17:19.33 | Xeneonic | Yeah, it seems quite interesting, to me at least, what it is that combines the soul and the dead body and what it takes to remove it |
| 17:20.33 | Bagginsww | I think the RPG goes into more of the difference between undead and life as far as mechanics go |
| 17:20.33 | Xeneonic | Interesting part in "Tales of the Past 3" and obviously a lot of other movies show that "positive" spells such as healing can "kill" an undead |
| 17:20.57 | Bagginsww | well that's from Warcraft III in general |
| 17:21.00 | Xeneonic | Or better said, using positive spells to break the "undead" curse so the body is dead again |
| 17:21.07 | Xeneonic | True |
| 17:21.11 | Bagginsww | and old non warcraft stuff too |
| 17:21.25 | Bagginsww | but also a primary factor in the Warcraft RPG as well |
| 17:21.55 | Xeneonic | As far as i know things like those wouldn't work on Arthas since he's not undead |
| 17:21.55 | Bagginsww | Even Forsaken are described that way in RPG written lore |
| 17:21.59 | Xeneonic | Just corrupted to the bone |
| 17:22.10 | Xeneonic | I see |
| 17:22.11 | Bagginsww | well if youre thourougly evil even positive stuff hurts |
| 17:22.23 | Bagginsww | did you read Rise of the Horde? |
| 17:22.29 | Bagginsww | erm Beyond the Dark Portal |
| 17:22.48 | Xeneonic | I didn't read any of the books, sadly. If they were in store here I'd buy them instantly though |
| 17:22.49 | Bagginsww | the scenes were Turalyon is interegating some orcs |
| 17:23.06 | Xeneonic | Maybe I should order the books, including starcraft and diablo ones from america |
| 17:23.08 | Bagginsww | he puts his hand on them, his holy energy burns handprint into their forehead |
| 17:23.19 | Xeneonic | ah |
| 17:23.20 | Bagginsww | he doesn't try to hurt them |
| 17:23.26 | Bagginsww | but its just his light is just so powerful |
| 17:23.32 | Bagginsww | and they are so corrupted |
| 17:24.01 | Xeneonic | Then probably even reminding the corrupted ones about their past (Like Arthas and Jaina) might also hurt |
| 17:24.04 | Bagginsww | Arthas is kinda inbetween life and undeath... according to the RPG, infact the rpg calls him undead several times :p |
| 17:24.14 | Xeneonic | haha |
| 17:24.15 | Bagginsww | living undead LOL |
| 17:24.51 | Bagginsww | it explains on his sword that it takes your soul, slowly turns you evil |
| 17:25.51 | Bagginsww | finally at some point the body dies, but the person continues on, fairly oblvious to the changes going on in him. |
| 17:26.14 | Bagginsww | about the only time the person notices he's changing is if he is seperated from his sword for an extended amount of time |
| 17:26.15 | Xeneonic | I see |
| 17:26.29 | Bagginsww | at which point he notices his soul is gone |
| 17:26.47 | Bagginsww | so this brings up an interesting point if you don't have a soul are you truly alive? |
| 17:27.01 | Bagginsww | forsaken are pretty much souless |
| 17:27.02 | Xeneonic | So basically you need a rogue to barge on the frozen throne and steal the sword |
| 17:27.19 | Bagginsww | I wouldn't touch it :p |
| 17:27.27 | Xeneonic | I'm trying to read back on what I read earlier |
| 17:27.41 | Xeneonic | Well a rogue with plate gloves then :p |
| 17:27.50 | Bagginsww | not sure that counts remember arthas had gloves on |
| 17:27.59 | Bagginsww | that thing is nasty |
| 17:28.19 | Xeneonic | here: A Forsaken's body is undeadÂ… and so is its soul, corrupted and changed to such a degree that it belongs to its new body now, rather than its old one. |
| 17:28.27 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Frostmourne |
| 17:28.39 | Thrae | Arthas: Oh shit, I have godlike powers but I can't figure out what that "NOOOOoon" sound means! |
| 17:28.41 | Xeneonic | So basically if you'd restore the body to before Unlife the soul would remain dead. |
| 17:28.56 | Bagginsww | you need a wish |
| 17:28.58 | Bagginsww | or a miracle |
| 17:29.07 | Bagginsww | yu can't restore the body without the restoring both |
| 17:29.29 | Bagginsww | btw a forsaken with asoul is actually kinda rare as I recall |
| 17:29.32 | Xeneonic | So probably a dragon from the blue flight or Medivh could do that. |
| 17:29.34 | Bagginsww | most don't have it |
| 17:29.39 | Xeneonic | well, could ask the favor of a deity |
| 17:29.41 | Bagginsww | that's based on a special feat |
| 17:29.50 | Bagginsww | the forsaken soul is a feat |
| 17:29.57 | Bagginsww | in the rg |
| 17:29.58 | Bagginsww | *rpg |
| 17:30.13 | Xeneonic | Well I don't really know what you'd consider a "soul" in warcraft |
| 17:30.33 | Bagginsww | well ghosts and wisps basically heh |
| 17:30.42 | Xeneonic | If you call sentient and having feelings a soul then all Forsaken have them, on the other hand Scourge wouldn't |
| 17:31.08 | Bagginsww | well I don't think that has anything to do with souls |
| 17:31.35 | Bagginsww | night elves and tauren as I recall say that animals have souls |
| 17:31.38 | Bagginsww | maybe even rocks |
| 17:32.11 | Bagginsww | that everything is alive basically... So Undead is antithesis to everything they believe |
| 17:32.34 | Xeneonic | Hmm |
| 17:32.51 | Xeneonic | Some tauren, especially the Grimtotem clan seeks to help The Forsaken though |
| 17:32.54 | Bagginsww | ya its said the average tauren do not like the Forsaken |
| 17:33.09 | Bagginsww | its a very small percentage that is willing to help |
| 17:33.12 | Bagginsww | and the grimtotem are evil |
| 17:33.48 | Bagginsww | I'd suggest you check out the Horde article |
| 17:34.01 | Bagginsww | look down at the section the two hordes |
| 17:35.20 | Xeneonic | copy paste from wiki a bit: |
| 17:35.21 | Xeneonic | Many of the other races (mainly the tauren) pity the Forsaken and a number of Horde healers all over Azeroth, such as Mani Winterhoof, work tirelessly in the hopes of creating a cure for undeath. |
| 17:35.29 | Xeneonic | Will look at the section you're typing about now |
| 17:38.15 | Xeneonic | I see |
| 17:38.56 | Xeneonic | Well it's easy, if Thrall didn't team up the world would go boom, yet, because he did, some orcs and other horde "people" think the Horde is corrupted. |
| 17:39.10 | Xeneonic | Basically fools |
| 17:39.37 | Xeneonic | Thrall did, whatever was necessary to reach his goal. That's what most Horde think as well |
| 17:39.51 | Bagginsww | I edited the Forsaken article hope that fixes the context a bit better |
| 17:41.06 | Bagginsww | mind you its not "many" its some |
| 17:41.19 | Bagginsww | limited to some members of the Earthen Circle |
| 17:41.30 | Bagginsww | and the Grimtotem who don't really plan to cure them |
| 17:41.40 | Bagginsww | Grimtotem just want access to their poisons |
| 17:42.04 | Bagginsww | plus the Forsaken themselves don't really want to be cured (except for a few that don't know their queen's plans) |
| 17:42.31 | Bagginsww | They are using the Horde as a means to their ultimate goal. |
| 17:42.52 | Xeneonic | Indeed |
| 17:43.10 | Xeneonic | If you ask me, The Forsaken is the most threathening of all races, seeing as they don't succumb to time |
| 17:43.43 | Xeneonic | They, such as Sylvanas, could yield much more knowledge due to thousands of years living than a Human Genius could for example, because of his short lifespan |
| 17:44.29 | Xeneonic | One of the things I cannot understand however, Undead Priest? |
| 17:44.45 | Xeneonic | I mean, what kind of deity do they serve and how can they yield holy powers to "heal" |
| 17:44.54 | Bagginsww | well Forsaken may succumb to madness |
| 17:44.59 | Bagginsww | ultimately |
| 17:45.02 | Bagginsww | lose their minds |
| 17:45.12 | Bagginsww | [[life spans]] |
| 17:45.12 | Dotted | Bagginsww meant: www.wowwiki.com/life_spans |
| 17:45.42 | Bagginsww | [[forgotten shadow]] |
| 17:45.43 | Dotted | Bagginsww meant: www.wowwiki.com/forgotten_shadow |
| 17:45.50 | Bagginsww | [[Forgotten Shadow]] |
| 17:45.51 | Dotted | Bagginsww meant: www.wowwiki.com/Forgotten_Shadow |
| 17:46.16 | Bagginsww | that should explain their "holy" abilities or lack there of :p |
| 17:46.31 | Xeneonic | I'll read into it |
| 17:46.32 | Bagginsww | Warcraft game mechanics aside. |
| 17:46.38 | Xeneonic | veeeery interesting |
| 17:46.43 | Xeneonic | so much info :o |
| 17:46.47 | Bagginsww | you can't take everythign on a player character entirely seriously |
| 17:47.22 | Bagginsww | if it followed exact lore, you'd probably lose alot of abilities that other types of races have access too |
| 17:47.35 | Bagginsww | plus you would take damage from positive magic |
| 17:47.48 | Bagginsww | instead of being healed by positive magic |
| 17:48.09 | Bagginsww | speaking of the ingame Forsaken race of course |
| 17:48.11 | Xeneonic | Half-ogre... For some reason I cannot undo the thoughts of how such half-ogre would be conceived. |
| 17:48.28 | Bagginsww | [[half-human half-ogre]] |
| 17:48.29 | Dotted | Bagginsww meant: www.wowwiki.com/half-human_half-ogre |
| 17:48.30 | Bagginsww | heh |
| 17:49.00 | Bagginsww | rape for those |
| 17:49.22 | Bagginsww | the regular half-ogres its because they probably were drunk at the time |
| 17:49.24 | Bagginsww | very drunk |
| 17:49.44 | Bagginsww | at least that's what the RPG suggests, or I should say Brann suggests LOL |
| 17:50.20 | Xeneonic | ahhahahaha |
| 17:50.53 | Xeneonic | Wow, very civil: If the rumors of their existence are true, most half-human half-ogres are products of ogre aggressions on human villages. |
| 17:51.05 | Xeneonic | "ogre aggressions on human villages" |
| 17:51.08 | Xeneonic | X_X |
| 17:53.04 | Bagginsww | well, there was alot of that happening during the first and second wars ;) |
| 17:53.15 | Bagginsww | over 24 years ago |
| 17:53.29 | Bagginsww | about 25-30 years ago to be more precise |
| 17:54.15 | Bagginsww | of course remember that orcs may have been involved too... |
| 17:54.20 | Bagginsww | [[half-orc]]s |
| 17:54.21 | Dotted | Bagginsww meant: www.wowwiki.com/half-orc |
| 17:54.35 | Xeneonic | And half elves etc |
| 17:54.44 | Bagginsww | half-elves are through love |
| 17:55.02 | Bagginsww | half-orcs were trhough rape, though some through love later on |
| 17:55.20 | Bagginsww | so the context I was going for was war babies |
| 17:55.43 | Bagginsww | half-orcs rape went both ways btw |
| 17:55.54 | Bagginsww | humans in the internment camps might have raped them |
| 17:56.11 | Bagginsww | most half-orcs are believed to be born during the internment years |
| 17:57.58 | Xeneonic | I'm going to cry if one of the authors decide on "half-undead" |
| 17:58.26 | Bagginsww | sorta like Arthas :p |
| 17:58.43 | Bagginsww | well the Arthas/LIch King |
| 17:58.54 | Bagginsww | hybrid |
| 17:59.41 | Xeneonic | It seems only few of The Forsaken turn eeh, Scourge again. |
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| 18:09.53 | Bagginsww | well its a slow process, but might be inevetible. |
| 18:10.32 | Bagginsww | so its not that "a few change" in as much that not enough time has passed to see if its inevetible for the entire race or not |
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| 18:23.09 | Xeneonic | maybe they can or have found a cure that saves them from going Scourge again |
| 18:23.25 | Xeneonic | Like the Forgotten Shadow |
| 18:25.16 | Bagginsww | no idea, that was the last updated info we have on forsaken information and the only reference to the madness |
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| 18:41.56 | Xeneonic | Knowledge is power, and since Forsaken "Can" live eternally for as far as we know, maybe even 1 out of the thousands Forsaken population, that "1" could become more powerful than say even Malygos the Blue. Since time is not a factor, which is even to dragons and now night-elves as well, and proper protection ofcourse, could become a deity |
| 18:42.06 | Xeneonic | Or maybe even something like Sargeras |
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| 18:50.50 | Bagginsww | sorry I try to avoid speculation of that type |
| 18:51.08 | Bagginsww | I pretty much try to stick with what we know now |
| 18:51.22 | Bagginsww | Blizzard could take the story in any number of ways in the future |
| 18:54.24 | Fisker- | this is actually your fault |
| 18:54.30 | Fisker- | i was reading your discussion |
| 18:54.35 | Fisker- | but i wanted to visit a website |
| 18:54.40 | Fisker- | and now i forgot which one :( |
| 18:55.58 | mxs | Fisker-: it was donate-a-pony-to-mxs.com |
| 18:56.05 | mxs | a noble cause. |
| 18:59.02 | Fisker- | aha! |
| 18:59.08 | Fisker- | i have discovered the secret i kept from myself |
| 18:59.19 | Fisker- | now i won the game mxs |
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| 19:30.31 | winkiller | refer a friend is nuts |
| 19:30.40 | winkiller | 2* 34->41 today |
| 19:30.49 | winkiller | and now granted 3 levels 37->40 |
| 19:33.29 | Saze | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:33.31 | Saze | level* |
| 19:34.21 | winkiller | much. my shammy was olready 27 when we started |
| 19:37.54 | Xeneonic | wtb 300% xp |
| 19:42.28 | Bagginsww | what was the name of that "stone giant", "titan" style giant that can be summoned in Alrathi? |
| 19:44.21 | Xeneonic | I have no clue :< |
| 19:48.43 | Gnarfoz | Bagginsww: M...something oO |
| 19:48.49 | Bagginsww | found it thanks |
| 19:48.59 | Gnarfoz | myzrael? |
| 19:49.14 | Gnarfoz | yup, wow nerd knowledge prevails |
| 19:49.25 | Gnarfoz | I knew that before confirming w/ wowhead \o/ |
| 19:51.43 | Bagginsww | I found it before I saw your post by checking t he history of stone giants |
| 19:51.48 | Bagginsww | because I was sure I had listed it there |
| 19:51.51 | Gnarfoz | heh |
| 19:52.06 | Gnarfoz | there's always some tiny little bit by which you can find stuff in your memory, isn't there |
| 19:54.51 | Xeneonic | No |
| 19:55.35 | Xeneonic | For me instead of a tiny little bit it's always something huge right in front of me and still can't remember it ;) |
| 19:57.07 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 19:57.16 | Bagginsww | ya gnarz |
| 19:57.20 | Bagginsww | the trick is how to file it :p |
| 19:57.28 | Bagginsww | and retrieve that file :p |
| 19:59.43 | Gnarfoz | yeah, sometimes you run around with that tiny bit of a pointer and think "hell I know I know this, but why can't I remember right now, aaaargh" for hours |
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| 20:35.49 | Xeneonic | I was silly enough to post this in the wrong channel, so I'll copy paste it here |
| 20:35.49 | Xeneonic | [22:23:57] [@Xeneonic] the WoWWiki states that Goblin and/or Gnome engineering are the pinnacle of technology, since Naaru are supposed to use magic they don't count as those. |
| 20:35.51 | Xeneonic | [22:23:59] [@Xeneonic] This is false |
| 20:35.53 | Xeneonic | [22:24:26] [@Xeneonic] The Consortium is way ahead of technology compared to goblim and gnome engineering |
| 20:35.55 | Xeneonic | [22:24:34] [@Xeneonic] goblin* |
| 20:35.57 | Xeneonic | [22:25:13] [@Xeneonic] Even the Naaru couldn't save Netherstorm, but The Consortium is able to make eco systems in the Netherstorm |
| 20:36.47 | Xeneonic | According to some "The Consortium" NPC's Netherstorm is a breeze compared to some of the environments they used those eco domes |
| 20:38.26 | Fisker- | yeah but they use haxs |
| 20:38.28 | Fisker- | so that's unfair |
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| 20:47.20 | Bagginsww | xenonic which page says pinnacle? |
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| 20:55.32 | Xeneonic | It word wasn't exactly "pinnacle" but I'll look it up |
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| 20:58.52 | mxs | somebody at Blizzard woke up, the 8xxx->8820 enUS win patch now is recognized by the tracker, again :) |
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| 21:02.41 | KaNNis | http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/1457/finaltruthpd3.jpg ...lol |
| 21:05.35 | Sandwichman2448 | ha |
| 21:06.30 | Xeneonic | lol |
| 21:10.12 | Xeneonic | I probably won't be fighting Arthas for another year or so anyway |
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| 21:14.53 | Sandwichman2448 | I hate the Tribunal of Ages. The anwser became as confusing as the lack there of. |
| 21:16.06 | Sandwichman2448 | Still neat. |
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| 21:17.05 | Sky2042 | hoooooooooola chicos! |
| 21:17.22 | Gnarfoz | what's "chicos", precious? |
| 21:17.34 | Sandwichman2448 | Hello Sky. |
| 21:17.43 | Sky2042 | "guys" |
| 21:17.59 | Sky2042 | "girls" also, if there is at least one guy present. |
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| 21:23.44 | Fisker- | http://www.wowwiki.com/Kristen_DeMeza |
| 21:23.57 | Fisker- | Does the article suggest that Caydiem = Kisirani? |
| 21:25.07 | Sandwichman2448 | seems that way. |
| 21:26.20 | Fisker- | it's not madness though |
| 21:26.32 | Bagginsww | ya, sandwhich the trick is we can't be speculating from the tribunal really. We can only point out that it makes translations |
| 21:28.30 | Fisker- | because i was using mah brain Sandwichman2448 |
| 21:28.44 | Sandwichman2448 | I will add its quote for the cite. |
| 21:28.56 | Fisker- | People say Kristen DeMeza is a tribute to caydiem "KDM" = CDM = Caydiem |
| 21:29.03 | Fisker- | But i did some research because i was bored |
| 21:29.13 | Fisker- | Kristen DeMeza is actually a game designer |
| 21:29.16 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 21:29.36 | Fisker- | But in World of Warcraft she was listed as a community manager |
| 21:29.50 | Fisker- | and Caydiem stopped before TBC as a community manager |
| 21:29.56 | Fisker- | and in TBC she was a game designer |
| 21:34.15 | Bagginsww | Kadrak, Mamak and Abedneum... So bibilical |
| 21:34.21 | Bagginsww | where's Danner? |
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| 21:34.39 | Bagginsww | Shadrak, Meshak and Abednigo |
| 21:34.44 | Bagginsww | and Daniel |
| 21:41.37 | Sandwichman2448 | Baggins, I went through the Colossus quests and it says they were 'summoned and driven insane'. |
| 21:41.43 | Sandwichman2448 | k, Meshak and Abednigo |
| 21:41.43 | Sandwichman2448 | <Bagginsww> and Daniel |
| 21:41.54 | Sandwichman2448 | I did not mean to do that... |
| 21:41.58 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 21:42.13 | Bagginsww | So ya is there a character for Daniel? |
| 21:42.35 | Sandwichman2448 | When ever I cut/copy something and someone types on IRC it get replaced. |
| 21:42.47 | Sandwichman2448 | I do not know baggins. |
| 21:43.03 | Bagginsww | so if we take Northrend into context this woud imply that the Collossi are connected to the Titans |
| 21:43.21 | Sandwichman2448 | You can see them being made in the halls of stone. |
| 21:43.26 | Bagginsww | heh |
| 21:43.32 | Bagginsww | something of that should be noted in the article |
| 21:44.01 | Bagginsww | there were vague hints of titan involvement on Draenor, but this seems to add to it further. |
| 21:44.01 | Sandwichman2448 | They are not carved like the golems, they 'grow' from the walls. |
| 21:44.18 | Bagginsww | right I don't think any mountain giants are "carved" |
| 21:44.30 | Bagginsww | they are far too organic |
| 21:44.51 | Bagginsww | I mean geological definition of organic, rather than food |
| 21:45.00 | Bagginsww | chemistry definition too |
| 21:45.07 | Bagginsww | scientific definition of organic really |
| 21:45.29 | cbreak | you mean they contain carbon based elements? |
| 21:45.32 | Sandwichman2448 | A mountain giant can shape an existing piece of stone into any rough shape, up to thirty cubic feet at a time. The mountain giant can also use this ability to heal itself |
| 21:45.39 | Bagginsww | nope |
| 21:46.06 | Sandwichman2448 | MoM 48 |
| 21:46.06 | Bagginsww | organic has nothing to do with carbon in geology as far as I remember. But I'd have to recheck. |
| 21:46.29 | Bagginsww | shaping and carving are two different things |
| 21:46.45 | cbreak | in organic chemistry, mainly compounds containing carbon are considered |
| 21:46.46 | cbreak | I think |
| 21:46.52 | cbreak | so long since I've looked at that |
| 21:47.20 | Bagginsww | so there may be different definitions |
| 21:47.54 | Bagginsww | well more importantly minerals are inorganic structures. That is to say they are not directly created by life |
| 21:48.06 | Bagginsww | so ya the carbon aspect is still involved to a degree |
| 21:48.33 | Sandwichman2448 | Well in Krystallus' room, they are growing. Also his room was not part of Uldaur, it was a cave next to it that a break in a wall opened. |
| 21:48.57 | Sandwichman2448 | And i do not know about the Fallen Sky Ridge ones. |
| 21:49.28 | Bagginsww | ahh |
| 21:49.34 | cbreak | many life forms create mineral residues |
| 21:49.50 | Bagginsww | Fallen Sky? part of OUtland didn't crash in Northrend did it? |
| 21:49.52 | cbreak | either as armor, as bones, or similar |
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| 21:50.08 | Bagginsww | well geologically the residue would be a rock |
| 21:50.10 | Bagginsww | not a mineral |
| 21:50.29 | Bagginsww | unless it was metamorphosed after it was deposiited |
| 21:50.35 | Bagginsww | although that would still be a rock |
| 21:50.44 | Sandwichman2448 | No, it was a projectile from Tempest Keep. |
| 21:50.47 | cbreak | thinking of coral reefs |
| 21:50.57 | Bagginsww | which are rocks |
| 21:51.04 | Sandwichman2448 | Jellyfish! |
| 21:51.15 | Sandwichman2448 | know that. |
| 21:51.41 | Sandwichman2448 | Anyway.. |
| 21:51.42 | Bagginsww | a solid homogeneous crystalline chemical element or compound that results from the inorganic processes of nature |
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| 21:51.52 | Bagginsww | that's basically your average geological definition of a mineral |
| 21:52.06 | Bagginsww | anything else is a rock LOL |
| 21:52.39 | cbreak | that is quite restricted. |
| 21:52.51 | Bagginsww | however if say for instance you metamorphised or melted living creatures structures down, and the elements were to reform into new crystals |
| 21:52.54 | Bagginsww | those would be minerals |
| 21:53.06 | Bagginsww | that's basically something twice removed from the original source |
| 21:53.46 | Bagginsww | dietary minerals are a completely different definiton as you know heh |
| 21:56.39 | Sandwichman2448 | The pint of the Fallen Sky Ridge comment was to ask if the 'summoned' means called or made. |
| 21:57.12 | Bagginsww | summoned means called usually I think |
| 21:57.15 | Sandwichman2448 | s/pint/point/ |
| 21:57.20 | Bagginsww | like a spell |
| 21:57.31 | Sandwichman2448 | So they are not artificial. |
| 21:57.42 | Bagginsww | probably not |
| 21:57.49 | Sandwichman2448 | [[Colossus]] |
| 21:57.50 | Dotted | Sandwichman2448 meant: www.wowwiki.com/Colossus |
| 21:57.54 | Bagginsww | please fix |
| 21:58.16 | Bagginsww | I detest overt speculation :p |
| 21:58.20 | cbreak | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_of_the_Colossus |
| 22:01.00 | Sandwichman2448 | Eh? |
| 22:01.23 | Sandwichman2448 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bioshock |
| 22:06.58 | Bagginsww | umm sandwhich feel free to add your speculation back that one of the kings may have succeeded the other |
| 22:07.17 | Bagginsww | however, so that it fits better with my edits |
| 22:12.10 | Sandwichman2448 | I smell an edit conflict. I was citing... |
| 22:12.56 | Bagginsww | you found "artifical"? |
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| 22:13.13 | Bagginsww | versus "true" |
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| 22:14.31 | Sandwichman2448 | No, but I added the cite for the true while you edited it. |
| 22:16.06 | Bagginsww | sandwich I"m going to say that the ingame stone giants ar emore important than archaedus |
| 22:16.12 | Bagginsww | so the picture should be primary |
| 22:16.16 | Bagginsww | there are alot more of them |
| 22:16.30 | Bagginsww | and archaedus was a vague descriptive reference |
| 22:18.35 | Bagginsww | and you'll note the discuss I had previously about that topic |
| 22:19.06 | Bagginsww | that archaedius might be better desribed as a "stone guardian" |
| 22:19.15 | Bagginsww | which he is said to be one of many |
| 22:21.59 | Sandwichman2448 | Ok |
| 22:22.56 | Bagginsww | but ya, 'giant of stone' (archaedus) or "stone giants" (northrend) who would you give the primary reference in the page? |
| 22:24.59 | Sandwichman2448 | It seems vague either way. |
| 22:25.09 | Bagginsww | well the ingame one is the specific usage |
| 22:25.28 | Bagginsww | where as its reversed and a single reference in the archaedus info |
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| 22:27.48 | Sandwichman2448 | [[colossus]] |
| 22:27.48 | Dotted | Sandwichman2448 meant: www.wowwiki.com/colossus |
| 22:30.16 | Sandwichman2448 | I cited. |
| 22:30.20 | Bagginsww | ya better |
| 22:30.33 | Bagginsww | you should add to the the halls of stone info if you know it |
| 22:30.48 | Sandwichman2448 | Read the cites. |
| 22:31.06 | Sandwichman2448 | Should that be in the main text? |
| 22:31.32 | Bagginsww | I would expand on the northrend section |
| 22:31.46 | Bagginsww | well the paragraph after the outland parts |
| 22:32.01 | Sandwichman2448 | I am not in the beta. |
| 22:35.32 | Bagginsww | oh ok |
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| 23:44.38 | mxs | Blizzard forum login broken for anybody else ? |
| 23:45.03 | winkiller | eu? us? |
| 23:45.16 | mxs | us, but doesn't matter -- just started working again |
