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01:09.06mxsAccount Closure overturned :-)
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02:25.27kd3mxs; grats!
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04:02.42moocow1337hi everybody
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04:16.36pcjlol you can ask rayne in zul'drak where to find savage fronds
04:16.41pcjand she gives you a straight answer
04:17.24kd3o_O;
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04:26.47kd3where in zd is she?
04:27.49kd3ah, found her. hah. rimblat still says his old thing too
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05:09.08Adys[07:16:36] <@pcj> lol you can ask rayne in zul'drak where to find savage fronds
05:09.08Adys[07:16:41] <@pcj> and she gives you a straight answer
05:09.10Adysits called
05:09.13Adys"copypasting"
05:09.24Adystheres this thing about copypasting that keeps old values
05:09.25Adystoo
05:09.29Adyslastly
05:09.30Adyshttp://questionablecontent.net/comics/1203.png
05:09.56Adysand, good night
05:10.02Corgan<3 u
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06:10.06Niatmorning mates
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08:11.22Corganfisker ilu
08:17.37Fisker-i hate you
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09:42.10KirkburnMorning
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10:02.33g0urra'morning
10:09.49Kirkburn'ullo
10:11.37bleeterevenin' guvna
10:16.36g0urra"Get out there and make those Scourge wish they were never reborn!"
10:17.25Kirkburnhar-e-har-har
10:17.36Kirkburn*har-de-har-har
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10:37.05g0urrahttp://wotlk.wowhead.com/?item=37837
10:37.10g0urrahad me lol'ing
10:38.43Daedalslol :P
10:39.08Daedals"Strip on patrol aura" wtf?
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11:10.24Fisker-g0urra my friend
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12:16.51amrogood morning
12:18.06g0urra'morning
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12:56.14Kirkburndances
12:56.28amrosings
12:56.36KirkburnI want another beta patch :P
12:56.48amroI want a beta key
12:56.52Kirkburnheh
12:56.56amroactually I probably wouldn't use it much
12:59.57|Pixel|has beta keys
13:00.14g0urragief !
13:00.39g0urrathen I can boost my rogue up to northrend and attack with level 29 weapons :(
13:00.50|Pixel|right
13:02.47g0urragod damnit
13:03.05g0urraI was one a daily quest with the frenzyheart to get a quest item before the server went splat
13:03.10g0urraand now I can't turn it in
13:03.15g0urraon a*
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13:07.53mads-Hi. Anyone playing at Magtheridon - I can't connect to it, but to others I can
13:08.20winkillerI
13:08.27winkillerI'd add "EU" - but can'T
13:08.33winkillercan't try - that is
13:09.13mads-Does US also have a Magtheridon realm?
13:09.28g0urrayes
13:09.42mads-Huh - I see :)
13:10.36amromag US was my first realm
13:10.37g0urramads-: I seem to have problems connecting to the server too
13:10.51amrothen it became lagtheridon, then fagtheridon, now it's maggie :/
13:11.10winkillerlol
13:11.12mads-Random.. Wow-europe.com says it's OK :S
13:11.16winkillerLaggramar ftw
14:01.43ralf-xbleh
14:02.19amrohelb
14:02.34ralf-xD:
14:02.59amro:D
14:05.37Fisker-g0urra
14:05.40Fisker-my enemy
14:06.47g0urraarru0g
14:06.49g0urraymene ym
14:07.19Fisker-arru0g ym ymene
14:07.30Fisker-damnit
14:07.37Fisker-i hate you
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14:09.24amroenemy, my g0urra
14:10.42Fisker-die amro
14:10.50Fisker-IRL
14:10.53Fisker-yeah
14:12.27amrocan't atm
14:12.34amrohow's 60 years from now sound?
14:13.40Fisker-unacceptable
14:15.11amro50's as low as I can go
14:16.31amro~roulette
14:16.32infobotACTION watches amro pull the trigger:  BANG!
14:16.36amrothere ya go
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14:21.15g0urrahttp://screenshot.xfire.com/screenshot/natural/7f7e2bdd100028d046c6c873e804f69f3fbf7e65.png
14:22.44amronicely aligned
14:23.18ralf-xI'm scared to click
14:23.59amroralf-x: bunch of gnomes
14:24.00amro:P
14:24.10ralf-xok I'm *definitely* terrified then :P
14:24.46amrognome corpses to be accurate
14:24.52amrogo ahead and click :P
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14:31.49pcjhow many accounts would that take...
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14:34.05Fisker-what does it say g0urra :O? :D
14:34.21Fisker-ah
14:34.23amrodivide by 10
14:34.25Kirochig0urra, jag är man som älskar mus
14:34.36ralf-xwtf?!
14:34.40ralf-xwhat is this jibber jabber?!
14:39.58amroKirochi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIIl6d-5_N8
14:40.46Kirochihehe
14:41.59Kirochiptain
14:42.05Kirochiy'a des commentaires racistes
14:42.15Kirochides kabyles qui insultent des arabes et vice versa
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14:43.01Kirochihttp://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=4t_FyrSSaks&feature=related
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14:44.24amrorofl "
14:44.25amrobouteflika homosexuel:non marié
14:44.25amroAdded
14:44.37amrowow that past failed
14:44.41amro+e
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14:48.44Kirochihttp://www.dailymotion.com/video/x26rof_idir-tiziouzou-algerie-w15dz_ads
14:48.49Kirochiidir il a la classe
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14:50.11Fisker-i'll kill you Kirochi
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14:51.18amroKirochi: ouais et j'aime bien son accent kabyle
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14:53.48amroKirochi: je devrais dire a mon ami de me la traduire
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15:02.40Fisker-mxs zomg gz
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15:04.06KirochiFisker- SILENCE
15:04.09KirochiI KEEL U
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15:22.37KirochiIk ben een lekker wijf
15:23.20amroboutef est le seul president qui habite chez sa maman
15:23.45Kirochihttp://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=PsJtoVBhmbw
15:24.29Kirochilol pas de chance, ça casse un peu l'image de l'homme fort
15:26.35amropourquoi le lapin fait il le geste des oreilles lapins? il les a deja l'imbecile
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15:37.46KirochiXD
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16:03.07amrowow, as sahab videos on youtube http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=JYHDi0d9VFA
16:03.13amroand family guy gets removed
16:03.16amronice going
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16:09.43Fisker-omg kd3
16:09.59Fisker-break the ToS for doing something you can already do a lot of other places!1
16:13.27pcjhttp://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1829725,00.html
16:16.54Fisker-http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=5275930787&sid=1 <-lol@name+thread
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16:39.10KirkburnLevel 75 :D
16:42.36pcjoooold
16:42.41Kirkburnheh
16:42.56KirkburnNot if I'm a fan of Dragonblight yet, just starting in it
16:43.00Kirkburn*not sure
16:43.07pcjmmm
16:43.12pcji think i like grizzly hills
16:43.19KirochiLevel 75 Elite Kirkburn Hunter
16:43.20KirkburnMainly cause it seems to reeally tax my cpu
16:43.22pcjand possibly sholazar basin
16:43.32Kirkburnpcj, yeah, I'm hoping that
16:43.43KirkburnAlways been a big fan of the lush areas like Elwynn
16:44.57pcjgrizzly is definitely restful
16:44.59pcjafter dragonblight
16:45.11pcjzul'drak is...interesting
16:47.01KirkburnI have very little idea of what to expect there
16:48.06Dark-FxYou guys playing in the beta?
16:48.14Kirkburnyup
16:48.22Dark-Fxlucky
16:48.58KirkburnAll that wiki ediitng pays off :)
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16:50.39Fisker-http://uk.gamespot.com/news/6195570.html <-lol btw
16:50.53Fisker-Ubisoft should almost be happy they leaked it
16:50.54Dark-FxAlthough I'm enjoying multi-boxing with the 3x exp deal
16:52.12g0urraKirkburn: If wiki editing includes buying WWI tickets, sure
16:52.24g0urraI'm not one of the lucky people to be in the F&F alpha though
16:52.25g0urra*coughs*
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16:54.10g0urraOn another note: some quests now in WotLK shows players the "realm of shadows", and in a questline in Zul'Drak you get to visit the "spirit world" of some sort. Should they be added?
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16:56.51g0urraThe realm of shadows is where for example the location where Bladestorm the frost wyrm and other mobs is in the quest The Power to Destroy
16:57.13g0urraWhile the spirit world is where the spirit is where you die, and some special NPCs/mobs too
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17:18.27KirkburnHah, how to choose which zone not to start in:
17:18.37selckinfirst boat to show up
17:18.47Kirkburn33% say they're gonna start in HF, 15% in Borean Tundra
17:19.05Kirkburn12% in both, 35% don't know
17:19.38KirkburnMethinks I'm going for Borean Tundra :P
17:19.43g0urraI know I'm going to start in Borean Tundra
17:20.02g0urraHowling Fjord is "meh" with all the elevators and lifts and stuff
17:20.42KirkburnI has a nicer starting hub for Alliance though
17:20.52KirkburnAt least, everything is much more compact
17:21.18pcjI prefer borean tundra
17:21.21g0urraVengeance Landing, New Agamand, Apothecary Camp, Camp Winterhoof
17:21.31g0urrathose are the horde hubs I can think of
17:21.48KirkburnThere's a few more minor ones
17:21.52KirkburnSteel Gate, I think?
17:21.54pcjborean tundra is easier for the alliance to get there and back
17:22.37KirkburnI don't quite understand Steel Gate, one side is Alliance and the other is Horde, and there's no apparently PvP flagging on the NPCs
17:25.46g0urraSoon, Har'koa.. soon I will have done one of the longest quest chains in WotLK
17:25.56ralf-xhmm
17:26.11ralf-xare there any quests like the ring of blood in wotlk yet?
17:26.14ralf-xlove that questline
17:26.17g0urraNo
17:26.21ralf-xawww :(
17:30.12Kirochig0urra Har'koa is in Zul'Drak?
17:30.18g0urraYes
17:34.40KirochiCan I haev screenz?
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17:37.47g0urraI'll take one later
17:38.03g0urraright now I'm burning up evil drakkari trolls trapped in the spirit world
17:38.25g0urrahttp://img139.imageshack.us/img139/8007/tuatuaburnedrb9.jpg BURNED
17:39.49jaxdahl2ralf-x -- _kind of_
17:40.07jaxdahl2there's one (alliance only?) in the utgarde keep catacombs
17:40.38jaxdahl2it's just a single quest though and the drop is a public drop
17:40.47ralf-xhmm ok
17:41.05jaxdahl2it's not a group quest either, easily soloed
17:41.19jaxdahl2but it's somewhat similiar, 3 NPCs, one comes out after the other
17:41.27kd3http://www.wowwiki.com/Quest:Stunning_Defeat_at_the_Ring
17:41.55jaxdahl2that's the one.
17:43.15g0urraWell, there's one for horde at Conquest Hold too
17:43.31g0urraThe Pit of Conquest
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17:52.55KirochiBibi
17:52.58Kirochije suis à poil
17:53.00Kirochihttp://www.linternaute.com/humour/dossier/07/village/image/poil.jpg
17:54.20Fisker-Kirochi
17:54.21Fisker-i kill you
17:54.50Kirochi:D
17:55.00KirochiHooch is crazy
17:55.07Kirochis/Hooch/Fisker-/
17:55.17Fisker-craaaaaaaaaazyyyy
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18:09.49Kirochizou gazi
18:10.00Kirochiteomyr, where hast thou been
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18:10.32KirkburnFantastic, still lots more changes coming to hunters :)
18:10.46amroanything cool?
18:10.46Fisker-i hate hunters
18:10.51Kirkburnamro, http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8430105938&sid=2000&pageNo=2#23
18:10.51amroI hate fiskers
18:10.55KirkburnAbsolutely cool
18:11.00ralf-xFisker-: I hate hunters too
18:11.06KirkburnLoS helpers, kill shot, revamped kill command
18:11.14ralf-xwait
18:11.16KirkburnAnd we get better melee DPS
18:11.25ralf-xcan hunters shoot around corners now?
18:11.34ralf-xlike in Wanted?
18:11.34ralf-xlol
18:11.35KirkburnThey haven't announced what the plan is yet
18:11.38Fisker-Kirkburn omg curve shots!1
18:11.43Fisker-and guns
18:11.46ralf-xAHHAAHAH
18:11.48Fisker-then you're like in wanted
18:11.48Kirkburn" We do plan to introduce two new Hunter abilities that will help combat LoS issues (those we'll announce soon)"
18:12.17ralf-xwhat's "broken" about LOS?
18:12.33KirkburnWe have to be at range to fight
18:12.42amrofinally fixed mongoose bite
18:12.42KirkburnThat means makign sure we're still in LoS without getting too close
18:12.48amrothat was so useless
18:13.07KirkburnOften bakcing away means a wall, a bump, or suchlike
18:13.31amrorange is just a hack for hunters, they didn't even think it through
18:13.51ralf-xI don't follow
18:13.57ralf-xyou mean the minimum range you need to be at?
18:14.25KirkburnIn order to do our damage we have to be away from the mob
18:14.45ralf-xyes, ok
18:14.45KirkburnAnd we always have to stay in line of sight to do damage
18:14.57ralf-xI don't look at that as "line of sight"
18:15.00ralf-xbut yeah
18:15.01KirkburnEspecially in PvP, just hiding behing a pillar stop most of our DPS
18:15.16ralf-xhiding behind a pillar stops a mages DPS too
18:15.21KirkburnCasters generally have more DoT to carry them through that
18:15.26ralf-xhmm ok
18:15.33KirochiFisker- hates everything
18:15.49Kirkburnralf-x, in all honesty, I don't find much problem with LoS
18:15.50ralf-xpets usually follow around pillars
18:16.01ralf-xso I don't see what the QQ is about
18:16.01KirkburnIndeed
18:16.17KirkburnThere's no QQ
18:16.22amroit's just annoying
18:16.34KirkburnI'm not complaining, but I am explaining why it affects us more :P
18:16.35Fisker-scorpion pet + druid = won the game
18:16.38Fisker-no discussion
18:16.41Fisker-just won the game
18:16.43ralf-xKirkburn: not saying you're QQing, I'm assuming the community  is QQing
18:16.55KirkburnNot that I've really seen
18:17.13ralf-xlove that
18:17.19ralf-xwhen they fix crap that's not really broken
18:17.25ralf-xand then leave the broken stuff alone
18:17.26KirkburnThe Blizz post specifically states "which we believe plagues Hunters the most out of other classes", so I think it's more from their end
18:18.20KirkburnIf you're talking about actual bugs, it's really not related
18:18.30ralf-xnaw, not talking about bugs
18:18.46ralf-xbroken mechanics is what I had in mind
18:18.51KirkburnThey recently mentioned that class chanegs are 90% brainstorming and discussion, 10% implementation
18:18.58amrowow is full of stupid mechanics
18:19.05ralf-xKirkburn: gotcha
18:19.15ralf-xwhen can we apply riding crops to our mounts? kthxbai
18:19.21amroexplains the bugs Kirkburn :P
18:19.22Fisker-so you mean fairly non-retarded developement Kirkburn ?
18:19.37Fisker-teehee
18:19.42KirkburnThe mount system is still being implemented :P
18:20.48ralf-xyeah I know
18:20.53ralf-xI'm just talking shit
18:20.57Kirkburnheh
18:21.29KirkburnI don't remember there being quite as much new stuff to implement during the BC beta, but I think I came to that later
18:21.39ralf-xI never saw the beta
18:21.45ralf-xwas busy trying to get to level 58 :P
18:21.50Kirkburnhehe
18:21.59ralf-xah, those were the days
18:22.03KirkburnI found it very similar to live TBC
18:22.09ralf-xk
18:22.43KirkburnWrath seems to be much grander in scale in terms of changes
18:23.01ralf-xwell like I said, I missed the entire beta process in TBC
18:23.15ralf-xbut from where I am now, it looks like wotlk is doing some huge mechanic changes
18:23.16KirkburnNo, I mean the expansion generally
18:23.29KirkburnAye, it certainly is
18:23.34ralf-xI'm not convinced that they are for the better
18:24.18kd3huzzah
18:24.23kd3think I got it to work
18:24.32amroits a lot of new stuff, but it's not that great. a lot of it should have been around earlier
18:24.39amrokd3: got what to work?
18:24.43kd3only requires a change to tooltip...
18:24.48kd3quest rewards using the in-game style
18:24.53ralf-xseems that some of their combining of class stats on gear is kinda... meh
18:24.54kd3[[User:Kaydeethree/Sandbox]]
18:25.00kd3the second table
18:25.05Fisker-everything is huuuuuge
18:25.07ralf-xwonder if it's going to cause more trouble than it's worth
18:25.22Fisker-can't wait for the Battle.Net 2.0 SSO
18:26.31amrokd3: im not getting any tooltips on that page
18:26.52amroworks in firefox actually
18:27.11kd3gotta wait for the page to finish loading. pcj's js loads after the ads
18:27.35KirkburnNeed to increase the z-index
18:27.41pcjactually ads shouldn't show up if you're logged in
18:27.47Fisker-moar ads about breaking the ToS to get features already present on a lot of sites already?
18:27.48Fisker->:3
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18:27.58Kirkburnpcj, indeed, but the js loading order is still the same
18:28.14pcjthe ad JS loads when people are logged in?
18:28.17pcj...sad
18:28.18amrowhich reminds me, the tooltip shows behind the spotlight wikia adds
18:28.20amroads*
18:28.29pcjjust glad i use a skin which doesnt have ads
18:28.31Kirkburnpcj, afaik it's not just used for ads
18:29.21amroodd, the tooltips don't work with KHTML... coulda sworn they worked before
18:29.53Fisker-doh
18:30.03pcjkirkburn, ads showing up in front of tooltips aren't a function of z-index
18:30.04Fisker-the wikia affiliates overlap the tooltips here
18:30.14pcjit's just a problem with flash
18:30.25KirkburnThe spotlights aren't flash though
18:30.38pcjwell tooltips have a z-index of 999
18:30.42Kirkburn(I've reported the flash problem though)
18:30.50pcjthat's a problem with all flash apps
18:30.56KirkburnAh
18:31.04Kirkburngrr
18:31.23KirkburnI will report the spotlight z-index thing
18:31.32amrothere's flash on wowwiki?
18:31.38Fisker-yeah
18:31.41Fisker-magelo ads!
18:31.46amroi meant besides that
18:31.48amrowhen logged in
18:31.50Fisker-break the tos in 3 easy steps :D
18:31.54KirkburnMost ads these days, plus youtube extension
18:32.11amroflash is a cancer
18:32.17amroI hate it more than windows
18:32.41amrowhich is saying a lot, believe me
18:32.59KirkburnAnyway, kd3, looks cool
18:33.08Fisker-doesn't say much since you absolutely love Windows amro
18:33.19Fisker-that or *RAWR* >:3 i'm a lion
18:33.29ralf-xwalrus
18:40.35g0urra~>:3
18:40.36infobotACTION gets in the car
18:41.02ralf-xhahaha
18:45.38kd3bah. where the hell is that spare <p> coming from?
18:46.02g0urrakd3: see {{itembox}} too
18:46.14g0urraworks in the same way =)
18:51.08Daedalsdo you have to be attuned to smth to get into Onyxia?
18:51.16Daedals's lair *
18:51.45kd3yes.
18:51.45Daedalsor is it enough that someone is attuned?
18:51.52kd3you have to be attuned
18:52.21kd3attunement's different for horde vs alliance. see http://www.wowwiki.com/Drakefire_Amulet
18:52.41KirochiHoney you're so cute
18:52.45KirochiThis is the land of love and fruit
18:52.51KirochiIt's a hot hot summer love
18:53.14ralf-x?
18:53.26ralf-xapparently the alliance one is mad easy compared to horde
18:58.32Fisker-oh i so hate you now Kirochi
18:58.54Fisker-i got hiccups
19:05.01Kirkburn|afkFisker-, for you - http://www.dipity.com/user/tatercakes/timeline/Internet_Memes
19:08.54Fisker-JUST HOW CAN FIREFOX DOWNLOAD DAY BE A MEME?!
19:13.01ralf-xhah
19:13.17g0urrawho wanted a screenshot of Har'koa?
19:13.41g0urra^Kirochi?
19:14.15Fisker-http://kotaku.com/5034395/diablo-iii-art-director-quits-game-remains-the-same >:O
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19:16.24g0urraKirochi: http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Har%27koa.jpg
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19:18.11Fisker-Har'Koas is crazy
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19:19.59amrohttp://www.magharebia.com/cocoon/awi/xhtml1/en_GB/features/awi/features/2008/08/04/feature-01
19:20.06g0urraKirochi Kirochi Kirochi
19:20.29amroturns out the bomber was mentally impaired, and brainwashed by al qaeda... that's a sick new low, even for them
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19:21.47Kirochig0urra
19:21.48Kirochisorry
19:22.05KirochieMule doesn't highlight me
19:22.14g0urraKirochi: http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Har%27koa.jpg
19:22.24g0urraYou wanted a screenshot
19:23.22Kirochig0urra it sucks
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19:24.28g0urrawhat sucks about it?
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19:24.58Kirochium
19:25.00Kirochithe fact that
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19:25.33Kirochithat um
19:25.46Kirochiwe just see your damn panther and not the village
19:25.57g0urra"Village"?
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19:26.29g0urrathere's no village there
19:27.01KirochioO
19:28.13jaxdahl2is Har'koa a village or a NPC?
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19:28.50Kirochiyeah that's what I'm wondering
19:28.53Kirochiamro :(
19:29.27jaxdahl2looks like Har'koa is a leopard godess
19:29.35jaxdahl2http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?quest=12653
19:34.39g0urraHar'koa is an NPC
19:34.58g0urraand one of the Loa spirits that the drakkari worship/worshipped
19:37.12Kirochiok
19:37.16Kirochiso they are dead?
19:37.29g0urraHar'koa is the one still alive, but barely
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19:38.02g0urraSseratus, Rhunok and Quetz'lun were slain, Mam'toth killed himself and left a big crater
19:38.37Kirochiahhhh
19:38.39KirochiI got it
19:38.40Kirochithx
19:38.54pcjkd3 what problem are you having with line breaks
19:45.24kd3{{qr}} and {{qr/row}}
19:45.45kd3Ttalk:Qr for an example
19:46.10pcjlooks fine to me
19:46.22kd3reload now that I've only got two items in the template
19:46.36g0urrahttp://www.wowwiki.com/Mam%27toth_Crater
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19:47.08pcjstill looks fine
19:47.08g0urragasps
19:48.28g0urrakd3: you could still use {{itembox}}
19:48.43pcjoh are you wanting the name to be vertically centered
19:48.47kd3ya
19:49.06kd3g0urra, trying to replicate the in-game style. itembox is close, but not what I'm after
19:49.22Kirochifor the sake of auld lang syne
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20:48.44Amarandehmm, the dual wield article is a bit fuzzy on this
20:49.08Amarandeif you dual wield as a hunter, do you get the extra miss chance penalty on ranged attacks too, or only if you are a huntard or melee surv build and actually melee?
20:49.47g0urraOnly if you're going melee, obviously
20:50.32pcjhttp://www.khou.com/topstories/stories/khou080807_jj_adult_diaper_truck_turnover.2279613d.html
20:50.52pcjhttp://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D92DKUSG0&show_article=1
20:51.18Amarandeg0urra: that's what I thought
20:51.23Amarandebut you never know with Blizzard game mechanics heh
20:51.44AmarandeBlizzard seems to love logic of the sort:
20:51.53Amarande"is it logical for it to work this way?" "then it doesn't work this way"
20:52.00AmarandeLOL
20:54.59g0urrahttp://www.wowwiki.com/Hit#Hunters
20:55.09g0urraExplains pretty much everything
21:06.29Amarandeok, so if I get this right, you can't substitute crit rating for hit rating on physical attackers either, as a rule
21:06.38Amarande(I know that fails epically if you try it on casters.)
21:07.18Kirkburn|afkBot people, there's an official #autowikibrowser channel btw
21:08.18g0urraAmarande: what do you mean?
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21:12.05Amarandeg0urra: I had the thought for some time that you could avoid the need to stack hit rating if you stacked crit rating instead
21:12.15g0urraThat's not true at all.
21:12.20AmarandeI believe it was based on the fact that for physical attacks, if you roll a critical hit, it is a hit
21:12.27pcjhttp://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080807171647.58r598sd&show_article=1
21:12.28g0urraHit and crit are two entirely different things.
21:12.36Amarandewhereas for spells, you can roll a critical and still get a Resist due to not having enough SHR
21:13.32Fisker-g0urra my enemy
21:14.56pcjwowinsider is dumb
21:15.05pcj"a group of players beat KT and took his phylactery and returned it to the Argent Dawn is mentioned in the expansion already -- but how did that happen if the dungeon won't be there any more?"
21:15.08pcjyeah...
21:15.10pcjnaxx is moving
21:15.13pcjnot retconned out
21:15.43Fisker-ownedinsider is owned
21:15.48Fisker-just like the authenticator issue
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21:16.05g0urrahahahahaha
21:16.16g0urraFisker-: what authenticator issue?
21:16.29Fisker-Someone claimed that the Authenticator had been bypassed
21:16.55Fisker-After Blizzard investigated it and told people that the hacker had access to the authenticator it was still "Authenticator fails to secure account"
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21:17.44g0urraI'm intrigued by this
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21:18.25Fisker-basically the hacker changed his password because he was able to provide them with the details they needed, including the authenticators serial number
21:18.35pcjhttp://www.wowinsider.com/2008/08/05/authenticator-failure-revisited-blizzard-responds/
21:18.37Fisker-And then he logged in and hacked his account
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21:20.05g0urraBlizzard Authenticators – Available Soon
21:20.05g0urra07/08/08
21:20.05g0urraDue to the high demand for the Blizzard Authenticators, they are currently sold out in the Online Store. We expect to get new stock in mid August, and will restock regularly as demand for the Authenticators continues. Thank you for your patience
21:20.18g0urraYeah you could just F5F5F5 the store
21:20.49Fisker-I just had a program monitor the site
21:20.52Fisker-much easier
21:21.42Amarandewhat are Blizzard Authenticators?
21:23.20Fisker-pretty much a little device which generates numbers to be entered when you login to WoW (and probably other games/sites in the future)
21:23.35Fisker-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_token
21:23.47Fisker-more specifically: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_token#Vasco.27s_DigiPass
21:25.36Sandwichman2448I wish to inquire about a datamining grey area. I was working on my RTS thing when I got to Refinery. It seems there are none in WoW, but an unused model file (in the art style of the WoW alpha) in one of the STV folders is of an oil refinery (related to the oil rig there?) that strongly resembles the WCII Horde version. My eagerness is clouding my judgment here. Is it in WoW? May I upload it?
21:26.15Kirochihas adys connected yet?
21:26.49Fisker-i'd say no
21:26.59Sandwichman2448K
21:27.08Corganhe just signed on gtalk ._.
21:27.47Kirkburn|afkSandwichman2448, there's one in WotLK, but I don't know if it's the same
21:27.55Kirkburn|afkI'd err on the side of caution
21:28.52Fisker-slaps Corgan around a bit with a large trout
21:28.55bleeteranyone know what these goblin commoers have spawned for? they're talking about 'spirit of competition' and 'gold medallions' and 'competitor's tabard' but can't find a reference in the wiki, or wowhead for that matter
21:29.01bleeter*commoners
21:29.18bleeteror anything 'bovious' on the Blizz Events calendar
21:29.19Kirkburn|afkWho, where?
21:29.22Eraclitowhat
21:29.23bleeterbah
21:29.24bleeterobvious
21:29.28KirochiJe sais que c'est impossible
21:29.32KirochiMais moi j'y crois
21:29.33KirochiJe sais que c'est impossible
21:29.36KirochiMais c'est comme ça
21:29.44KirochiJe désire acquérir tous les canards de la planète
21:29.50Sandwichman2448I think that is an oil platform, not an oil refinery.
21:29.56bleeterthe goblin commoers in Shattrath have spawned, at least on Barthilase(Oceanic) and talking about stuff that I can't find a reference for
21:29.56Fisker-all sounds
21:30.00Fisker-bah
21:30.03Kirkburn|afkSandwichman2448, true
21:30.04Fisker-all sounds arena related
21:30.06Sandwichman2448But I am not sure what you mean.
21:30.22Sandwichman2448I feel it is ironic that I sound like a few individuals I dislike for this same offence right now. The model resemblance is uncanny though.
21:30.34Kirkburn|afkWhat is its location in the files?
21:30.48Sandwichman2448the file name?
21:30.50bleeter'earn a competitors tabard' -> you need only face your rivals in any of the Battlegrounds. win or lose, if you stay for the duration of the battle you'll be mailed a competitor's tabard
21:31.09kd3o_O;
21:31.11Kirkburn|afkSandwichman2448, yeah, like World/Azeroth/bootybay
21:31.46bleeterSpirit of Competition -> YOu must defeat your rivals in any of the BG's. With every victory, there is a chance that a Gold Medallion will be mailed to you
21:31.55Kirkburn|afkbleeter, how odd
21:32.00Corganwonders at bleeter
21:32.03Kirkburn|afkI have not heard anything of the sorts either
21:32.04bleeterwow, and AV 15
21:32.08Fisker-madness bleeter
21:32.14bleeterin the 51-60 vracket
21:32.22bleetermaybe something's broken
21:33.03Kirochialterac valley?
21:33.20KirochiKirkburn|afk, crazy Frenchman time?
21:33.43Fisker-where are tehy bleeter ?
21:33.46Kirkburn|afklol, I just noticed, the gnoll tent covering has a face switched into it. Eww.
21:33.57Sandwichman2448wmo/azeroth/collideable doodads/stranglethorn/oilrefinery
21:33.59Fisker-bah
21:34.02Fisker-haven't spawned here yet
21:35.22Kirkburn|afkSWM, yeah, def not the same one
21:35.25Sandwichman2448It is old. It is before buildings could have an inside and the it has that 'cartoony shading'.
21:35.39Sandwichman2448So no?
21:35.45Kirkburn|afkindeed, no
21:35.48Kirkburn|afkNice find though
21:35.51Sandwichman2448Alright.
21:35.51bleeterthey were right next to the horde portals in shat
21:36.08Kirochibrothel
21:36.21CorganThey're doing rolling restarts.
21:36.25Corgan;_;
21:37.40Sandwichman2448What about the Altar of kings and the WCIII Altar of Storms in that folder? Yeah, same no.
21:37.59g0urraAnother revenant type:
21:37.59g0urrahttp://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Altar_Warden.jpg
21:38.34Kirkburn|afkSWM, aye, almost all look to be old, unused stuff
21:38.54Sandwichman2448Gourra: Fire too.
21:39.36KirochiFIRE
21:39.41Sandwichman2448Kirkburn: Yeah, but is is interesting to see that it may have been going to be added.
21:39.46Fisker-doesn't look like revenants at all ;_;
21:39.56Fisker-i r confusd
21:40.47Sandwichman2448Fisker: True, they are much more crude and their armor is made of their element, not metal with an elemental glow.
21:41.38Fisker-btw that reminds me
21:41.49Sandwichman2448what?
21:41.54Fisker-apparently someone wagered $1000 that the LHC would be the end of the world
21:42.02kd3rofl
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21:43.48g0urraSandwichman2448: fire revenants doesn't have that much of a new look? just red Ice Revenants
21:44.04g0urraFisker-: yes, they are revenants... see the energy, armor and weapon?
21:51.08jaxdahl2Fisker-, it's not even going to be at full power until probably 2010
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21:54.22Sandwichman2448Are Shandrisforever and Leviathan the same person? Is it rude to ask that?
21:54.51jaxdahl2http://www.google.com/search?q=proton+mass+*+c^2+to+ev
21:56.02Sandwichman2448Is my RTS thing a one person job, or are more people needed? It was mentioned to be simple.
21:56.04Fisker-hey Kirkburn
21:56.04Amarande*shrug*
21:56.11Fisker-"Girls on the internets"-category
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21:56.15Fisker-y/n?
21:56.16Amarandethough that reminds me, my BG2 character was named Shandri ... heh
21:56.29Sandwichman2448For female users?
21:56.45KirkburnFisker-, ?
21:57.07Fisker-like blizzard employees could be "Girls on the internets"
21:57.11Fisker-if they are girls that is
21:57.52Sandwichman2448The 's' is unneeded if this is not a joke.
21:58.22Fisker-noes
21:58.40Sandwichman2448That is not a word really.
21:58.43Eraclitothere're no girls on the internets
21:58.44Eraclito.
21:58.46Sandwichman2448Fine it is.
21:59.18Sandwichman2448'Noes' and 'Internets' can be words...
21:59.38KirkburnI am reminded why I ignore Fisker-
21:59.58Fisker-i r so tird
22:00.17Fisker-Good ideas needs to be vented before you forget!
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22:00.43Fisker-isn't that right bleeter ?
22:01.15g0urrano, it's not right
22:01.32g0urraUgh, longest quest chain as of yet: 22 quests
22:01.39g0urraand I have a feeling it's not close to being over
22:01.49Sandwichman2448This is why I am lothe to ask things here.
22:04.54g0urraSandwichman2448: I'd be inclined to take part of the project if I wasn't busy with the beta, sorry
22:05.03Amarandeg0urra: what's this the quest chain to do?
22:05.21g0urraZul'Drak
22:05.24Amarandeand is this actually longer in terms of actual effort required than, say, the Onyxia, Kara, or former TK key chains?
22:06.26KirochiChocolate Rain
22:06.27g0urra<g0urra> Ugh, longest quest chain as of yet: 22 quests
22:06.32g0urra"22 quests"
22:06.33KirochiSome stay dry and others feel the pain
22:06.38g0urraREAd
22:06.40g0urraREAD*
22:06.54Sandwichman2448I harbor no ill will to you g0urra, and have thanked you for you previous assistance. I just wondered if others are needed at all.
22:07.55Amarandeg0urra: yeah, well, given that a number of chains I've experienced in the past have several steps that consist of "ok, you just turned in something to me, now go talk to my buddy over there next to me" and talking to the buddy counts as a quest itself ...
22:07.59Sandwichman2448feels the grammar in that sentence is wrong somehow.
22:08.46Corgang0urra, I liked the ebon blade quest chain in Zul'Drak
22:09.01CorganHAVE YOU DONE IT YET?
22:09.49g0urraYup
22:09.56g0urraBut it's shorter
22:10.03CorganIt's fun though ^_^
22:10.06CorganI liked the ending
22:10.17g0urraIt annoyed me
22:10.24g0urraThe ending, that is
22:10.34Corganwhy :(
22:10.59g0urraBecause I didn't do enough damage :(
22:11.06g0urraSo I lost the mind control on the troll
22:11.10g0urraSo I was like "GG"
22:11.18KirochiSTOP SAYING TROLL
22:11.23Corganlol
22:11.31Sandwichman2448FLT?
22:11.56Kirochiyes
22:11.59KirochiFLT
22:12.01Sandwichman2448wonders why Kirochi is mad.
22:12.09kd3when is he ever not?
22:12.14KirochiFront de Libération Troll
22:12.15Sandwichman2448...
22:12.25Kirochibecause I got a higlighting macro on the world troll
22:12.31Corgantroll?
22:12.33Sandwichman2448Ohhhh.
22:12.39Kirochistop it
22:12.46Corganit's a wildcard match of troll?
22:13.11Corganwould atrollicious match it?
22:13.13bleeterkd3: GM said 'it's secrets' :(
22:13.24kd3har
22:13.50Kirochiatrollicious didn't ring anything
22:13.51AckisWorkwhy would you highlight the word troll?
22:14.00Kirochiackis stopit
22:14.22AckisWorkI play one, I can say it whenever I want :P
22:14.31g0urraI wonder where the term 'trolling' come form.. was there a troll who made a troll post?
22:14.33Corgani guess maybe punctuation matches .troll.
22:14.36Kirochitrolling does
22:14.42Kirochiand .troll. too
22:14.46g0urraThey see me trolling
22:14.48g0urraThey hate it
22:14.51Kirochiackis join the FLT
22:15.04AckisWorkby mentioning that you have troll highlighted, you make it easy to be trolled
22:15.05KirochiBecause you're so white and nerdy?
22:15.11AckisWorkFLT reminds me too much of FLQ :P
22:15.17Fisker-Fairlight?
22:15.18Fisker-:D
22:15.34KirochiTroll Liberation Front
22:15.36Fisker-nah that's only me g0urra
22:15.50g0urraI think patrol should highlight
22:15.51Kirochihttp://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=PAyjXtF1SKk
22:15.53g0urraand patrolling
22:15.56Amarandegah
22:16.01Amarandeevery time I go to start engineering on a server
22:16.10Corganpatroll
22:16.10Fisker-wtf
22:16.10AmarandeI keep thinking 55 bronze bars need 55 copper bars :|
22:16.14Fisker-they fianlly don't suck Kirochi
22:16.23CorganI guess that doesn't trigger troll
22:16.25Fisker-taken them like ??? years to fix so i don't have to view your shitty youtubes in french
22:16.29KirochiSHUT UP
22:16.35AckisWorkpatroll ?
22:16.36AmarandeI keep forgetting you get two bronze bars for each copper and tin bar pair
22:16.44Corganpatroll doesn't trigger the troll alert
22:16.49KirochiSHUDDUP
22:17.04AckisWorkdoes it play a ding noise as well?
22:17.12g0urratroll
22:17.17Corganit should say "troll"
22:17.20Corganinstead of a ding noise
22:17.25Corganso that you know someone's trolling
22:17.27AckisWorkI think he's being ricktrolled
22:17.39Kirochinext troll I'm quitting the network
22:17.42Corgantroll?
22:17.50Sandwichman2448X(
22:18.18AckisWorkKirochi: what kind of hair style do you have?
22:18.25CorganKirochi sees me trolling, he's hatin
22:18.34Kirochithe sauerkraut one
22:18.47Kirkburn|sleepAckis, luscious golden pigtails
22:18.53Eraclitodo you mean forest troll, jungle troll, sand troll, or...? :>
22:18.53AckisWorkare you getting a mohawk come wrath?
22:18.58Eraclitois a bit slow tonight
22:19.04AckisWork[[Troll]]
22:19.07KirochiI'm getting too many people in my ignore list
22:19.16Fisker-:)
22:19.20AckisWorkeh I thought that'd give me the wiki for it =/
22:19.28Kirkburn|sleepWe're trollin' Kirochi's ignore list :D
22:19.36AckisWorkhah
22:19.40Kirkburn|sleepAckis, yeah, it's not working atm :P
22:19.40Kirochinooo
22:19.51Kirochinot Kirochi+troll in the same line
22:19.55Kirochiit plays an ugly music
22:20.11AckisWorklol wow you really don't learn heh
22:20.26Kirochiwho?
22:20.31Fisker-Kirochi+troll
22:20.32Kirkburn|sleepI do like to stroll around, don't you, Kirochi?
22:20.41Kirochibastards
22:20.48AckisWorkyou lol you say those two words make bad music play... and admit it lol
22:21.46KirochiQapla'
22:21.50Corgantroll?
22:22.06AckisWorkawww
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22:22.43AckisWorkI wonder if his client would play noise if Troll and Kirochi were in the channel topic?
22:22.47Corganlol
22:24.05Fisker-sleep tiems
22:24.19AckisWorknight my love
22:24.26AckisWorkcaresses Fisker-
22:24.37Fisker-i hope you die irl
22:24.53AckisWorkheheh
22:24.56*** topic/#wowwiki by g0urra -> Welcome to #wowwiki, please read http://wowwiki.com/WW:IRC | UI&Macros: #wowuidev | CVN: #cvn-wikia-wowwiki | WotLK portal: http://wowwiki.com/Portal:WotLK | Harrison Jones kills Malygos who is Kirochi in a troll disguise because Saragosa asked Jonathan LeCraft about private servers on page 418.
22:25.09AckisWorkahahaha
22:28.19g0urraoh dear, the rhinos have a troll god too
22:28.19g0urraAkali
22:41.42foxlitqq at not being able to complete An End to the Suffering
22:42.09foxlitThe bear is sleepy, and I don't have anything to wake him up with :(
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22:50.36Kruton_Yessaracan anyone tell me what the advantage is of having a Mana Potion Injector?
22:51.44selckinless bag space
22:51.47selckinthats it
22:51.53Kruton_Yessaraoh ok
22:51.54Kruton_Yessarathaks
22:51.56Kruton_Yessarathanks
22:52.28g0urrafoxlit: that's a common problem since the tormentor doesn't always respawn
22:52.46g0urraunfortunately you'll have to wait until the next server crash/restart
22:53.14foxlitAnd I'm missing 13 quests in Howling Fjord :(
22:54.01kd3if you can't complete handsome terry's quest, that's 11 right there
22:54.46foxlitThe what now? :)
22:55.12kd3[[Howling Fjord quests#Kamagua/Northsea]]
22:55.13foxlitThat eagle statuette is still missing, right?
22:55.16kd3iirc
22:55.20kd3ya
22:55.35foxlitI suppose I'm stuck there
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23:03.53g0urraLOL
23:03.53g0urrahttp://www.wowwiki.com/Tiri
23:04.00g0urraCheck out what she's holding in her hand
23:04.33foxlitmeh, candle.
23:04.48Sandwichman2448Rolling pin
23:04.55g0urraYes.
23:05.05g0urraLook at her 'title'.
23:05.23Sandwichman2448ha
23:05.32g0urra<Warlord Zol'Maz's Wife>
23:07.05Amarandeso, does Ebon Hold do anything for other classes that happen to be in the 50s and passing through EPL?
23:07.14AmarandeLike how there was a thing or two that non-druids could do in Moonglade?
23:07.37Sandwichman2448there is?
23:07.54kd3ama; nope.
23:07.59Eraclitoin moonglade? a neutral vendor, some limited stack stuff
23:08.06Sandwichman2448I may get D/C'd in a sec. Lightning.
23:08.07Eraclitoand uhm... seasonal event?
23:08.36g0urraAmarande: Ebon Hold is a DK specific zone, so I doubt it
23:08.54g0urraI haven't checked, but I doubt you can even enter if you're not a DK.
23:09.05Eraclitoeven in the non-instanced one?
23:09.27Sandwichman2448Is the /Zone/ Ebon Hold, New Avalon, or Scarlet Enclave?
23:09.35kd3scarlet enclave
23:09.53Sandwichman2448The three pages need to make that more clear.
23:10.08Sandwichman2448IMSO
23:10.19kd3so, go for it
23:10.24Sandwichman2448K
23:11.21g0urraScarlet Enclave is the whole "zone" that are New Avalon, Havenshire, Tyr's Hand and Ebon Hold
23:12.34g0urraIt's instanced and once DKs go in the "main world" the instanced type can't be entered again, though it's from that point a subzone of EPL
23:13.43g0urraI hope that cleared it up a bit SWM
23:16.34Sandwichman2448You did.
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23:20.55Sandwichman2448http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=New_Avalon&curid=182706&diff=1564551&oldid=1564080
23:25.12Sandwichman2448http://www.wowwiki.com/Plague_spreader I may be wrong about what it is. The mob with this name is a type of necropolis.
23:26.15g0urrahttp://www.wowwiki.com/Plague_Spreader_(Light%27s_Point)
23:26.43g0urrathere's also Plague Sprayers in Zul'Drak
23:26.56Sandwichman2448So what are they?
23:27.27g0urraThey are things that spread the plague. That's for certain.
23:27.37Sandwichman2448True.
23:27.50g0urraI don't think there's an official name for it
23:28.22Sandwichman2448There needs to be a name.
23:28.56Kruton_Yessarathere is an area with a bunch of gnomes in blades edge mountain.. is this new?
23:29.10Sandwichman2448The Forsaken have a cart thing, and the Scourge have a necroplis that is a mob.
23:29.17Sandwichman2448No, it has been there.
23:30.33Sandwichman2448g0urra: I am confused as to what is what. Well, it is still beta.
23:30.38kd3kruton; it's been there since day one of BC
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23:32.30Sandwichman2448A note about that: it seems to have been added late in dev, as it still has the shadows of the blades they removed to put it there on the ground.
23:32.50Sandwichman2448You can see it when the game lags.
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23:34.46Sandwichman2448well you can.
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