| 00:00.24 | Sandwichman2448 | Interesting. |
| 00:00.36 | Kirochi | Kaso sorry, I didn't mean to throw in a tech talk |
| 00:09.43 | g0urra | http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1200 |
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| 00:24.33 | Kaso | Kirochi, heh, random maths is fun |
| 00:26.25 | Kaso | Home-key typing is so type-writer-ish |
| 00:26.59 | Kaso | The net generation learns to touch type via osmosis rather than being trained to return to certain keys on demand |
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| 01:59.07 | Flarous | hello |
| 02:00.20 | Adys | Vaelastrasz fight starts at 999300 / 3331000 hp |
| 02:00.32 | Adys | yes some of us are curious and are doing "useful" stuff on the wotlk beta |
| 02:00.45 | kd3 | lol. I was about to ask "why the hell are you all running bwl?" |
| 02:01.15 | Adys | Im just running through all the instances I've always wondered "How much hp does this guy have?" |
| 02:01.24 | Adys | going to majordomo atm. |
| 02:02.13 | Adys | molten giants have 192480 hp! |
| 02:02.33 | Adys | and an increased stealth detection! shit ! |
| 02:02.50 | kd3 | I was about to say... don't those two see through stealth? |
| 02:03.21 | Adys | actually they dont was just me sucking |
| 02:03.42 | Adys | holy crap the core hounds aggro from really far |
| 02:04.12 | Adys | holy shit, REALLY far |
| 02:04.27 | Adys | Im 16 levels higher than them ffs |
| 02:04.35 | Adys | and fucking stealthed. |
| 02:13.19 | Arrowmaster | thats because of how stealth and stealth detection work |
| 02:13.53 | Arrowmaster | you get detected farther way when stealthed than unstealthed from lower level mobs with stealth detection |
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| 02:22.02 | pcj | wooo level 74 boe blue |
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| 02:28.34 | Adys | Okay |
| 02:28.38 | Adys | Someone give me a hug |
| 02:28.39 | Adys | please |
| 02:28.56 | Adys | http://s4.tinypic.com/11v6u5d.jpg |
| 02:29.00 | Adys | Ijust remembered. |
| 02:29.34 | kd3 | rofl, forgot he doesn't spawn unless the runes are all out? |
| 02:29.39 | Adys | yes :( |
| 02:43.21 | Kalroth | aww |
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| 04:04.07 | Amarande | hmm, quick question |
| 04:04.14 | Amarande | do we need to know lower levels of pet skills in order to learn the next higher ones? |
| 04:04.28 | Amarande | I tamed a Worg, learned Furious Howl 1 but not Bite 2 for some reason when I learned skills off it |
| 04:04.52 | Arrowmaster | keep using it |
| 04:05.20 | Kaso | yes each skill is learnt indepentently after a random amount of time using it |
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| 08:36.52 | Kirkburn | Morning |
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| 09:35.47 | amro | morning |
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| 09:56.10 | Kirkburn | waves |
| 09:56.43 | Fisker- | destroys |
| 09:56.44 | Fisker- | so Kirkburn |
| 09:56.52 | Fisker- | did you get another beta key today? |
| 09:56.55 | Kirkburn | EU opt-in keyts went out today :P |
| 09:56.57 | Kirkburn | Damit |
| 09:57.06 | Kirkburn | Mebbe :) |
| 09:58.28 | Fisker- | went out again you mean |
| 09:58.28 | Fisker- | :P |
| 09:58.41 | Kirkburn | What do you mean? |
| 09:58.54 | Fisker- | opt-in keys went out some weeks ago |
| 09:59.00 | Fisker- | this is likely the second wave |
| 09:59.03 | Kirkburn | Oh right, well another wave then |
| 09:59.13 | Fisker- | and a blue just confirmed a scam mail as being real |
| 09:59.16 | Fisker- | *facepalm* |
| 09:59.36 | Fisker- | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=5102501089&postId=52751858200&sid=1#98 |
| 10:00.49 | Kirkburn | d'oh |
| 10:01.30 | Kirkburn | Though I'm sure the scammers already know the text |
| 10:04.52 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 10:04.54 | Fisker- | but that's not it though |
| 10:04.57 | Fisker- | partly though |
| 10:05.04 | Fisker- | but the email and the "regards" is fake |
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| 10:19.11 | Kirkburn | Fisker-, not neccessarily |
| 10:20.16 | Kirkburn | Hmm, well, it's not an opt-in email |
| 10:20.27 | Kirkburn | But it could be a different type of invite |
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| 10:24.02 | Fisker- | It's possible Kirkburn but it's atleast not someone that's usually sent out :P |
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| 10:28.47 | Kirochi | swar les l4m4h |
| 10:32.13 | Kirkburn | k |
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| 10:57.09 | Kirochi | Kirkburn, we're two Kir Royal I guess? |
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| 11:33.12 | Muaddib_ | hi |
| 11:33.39 | Muaddib_ | i'am italian |
| 11:33.58 | Muaddib_ | mm there's some one? |
| 11:34.43 | Muaddib_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:35.13 | Kirochi | Ti posso aiutare |
| 11:35.24 | Kirochi | che vuoi esattamente? |
| 11:35.35 | Muaddib_ | ok |
| 11:35.37 | Muaddib_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:35.42 | Muaddib_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:35.48 | Muaddib_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:35.56 | Muaddib_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:35.59 | Kirochi | vabbè |
| 11:36.04 | Kirochi | aah |
| 11:36.06 | Kirochi | attenzione |
| 11:36.17 | Kirochi | qui non facciamo i realms privati |
| 11:36.27 | Muaddib_ | si |
| 11:36.31 | Muaddib_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:36.41 | Muaddib_ | il sito |
| 11:36.50 | Muaddib_ | è su un server privato |
| 11:36.58 | Muaddib_ | te lo lino in pvt ok? |
| 11:37.02 | Muaddib_ | linko |
| 11:37.07 | Eraclito | Muaddib_, quale parte di "no realm privati" non riesci a capire? |
| 11:37.10 | Kirochi | ok |
| 11:37.47 | Kirochi | ma qui solo possiamo aiutarti per realms uffiziali |
| 11:38.11 | Muaddib_ | volevo sapere |
| 11:38.15 | Muaddib_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:38.20 | Muaddib_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:38.32 | Muaddib_ | link su wowwiki |
| 11:38.50 | Kirochi | no, no, ci darebbe problemi con Blizzard |
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| 11:38.59 | Muaddib_ | ok |
| 11:39.09 | Kirochi | a te e a noi |
| 11:39.13 | Muaddib_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:40.17 | Muaddib_ | se facessi un sito |
| 11:40.32 | Muaddib_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:42.00 | Kirochi | se funziona con WoW live, sì |
| 11:42.22 | Kirochi | mi spiace :( |
| 11:42.26 | Muaddib_ | capito grazie per la disponibilità |
| 11:42.30 | Muaddib_ | bellaz |
| 11:43.24 | Kirochi | whew |
| 11:43.30 | Kirochi | any admin here? |
| 11:43.34 | Kirochi | We need the topic redone |
| 11:43.54 | Kirochi | it needs to mention "NO PRIVATE SERVER TALK HERE PLX" |
| 11:44.57 | Kirochi | Kirkburn? |
| 11:46.16 | Kirkburn | No, I think we're good |
| 11:46.34 | g0urra | Kirochi: would help if they talked IN ENGLISh about it |
| 11:46.43 | Kirkburn | There is a link to the rules, and I don't want to be filling the topic with things you can't do |
| 11:47.09 | Kirochi | ok then |
| 11:47.26 | Kirkburn | English is the primary language of the channel, but it isn't the only language. :) |
| 11:47.28 | foxlit | well, we could adjust that joke |
| 11:47.42 | *** topic/#wowwiki by foxlit -> Welcome to #wowwiki, please read http://wowwiki.com/WW:IRC | UI&Macros: #wowuidev | CVN: #cvn-wikia-wowwiki | WotLK portal: http://wowwiki.com/Portal:WotLK | Harrison Jones kills Malygos who is Anveena in disguise because Saragosa asked Jonathan LeCraft about private servers on page 418. |
| 11:47.59 | Kirochi | Nemo censetur legem ignorare |
| 11:49.29 | Kirkburn | Ignorance is not an excuse? |
| 11:49.33 | Kirochi | Ignorantia juris non excusat |
| 11:49.42 | Kirochi | the second one is what you said |
| 11:49.42 | Kirkburn | Ah, so what was the first |
| 11:49.45 | Kirochi | the first one is |
| 11:49.54 | Kirochi | "No one should ignore the law" |
| 11:50.16 | Kirochi | very close though |
| 11:51.29 | Kirochi | uncyclopedia makes it sound like "Nemo censors the ignorant law" |
| 11:51.52 | Kirkburn | Bloody nemo |
| 11:53.53 | Kirochi | Law is a spiderweb: the wasp makes it through, the fly gets stuck in it. |
| 11:54.18 | Kaso | and humans burn it all down? |
| 11:54.24 | amro | Kirkburn: you know nobody ever reads the topic, let alone a link to the rules :P |
| 11:54.42 | Fisker- | SARAGOSA! |
| 11:54.43 | Kirochi | Kaso true that |
| 11:54.49 | Kirochi | Zaragoza? Donde? |
| 11:54.58 | amro | these days we hoover it away |
| 11:55.00 | Fisker- | MALYGOS! |
| 11:55.04 | Kirkburn | The topic always seems to get changed when I'm not looking :P |
| 11:55.11 | Kirochi | thanks to Adys |
| 11:55.15 | Fisker- | I wonder if "Malygosa" would make Malygos kill me :D |
| 11:55.15 | Kirochi | I give him bad ideas |
| 11:55.44 | Fisker- | KIROCHI |
| 11:56.44 | Kirochi | sticks his webcam up his nostrils and waits for someone to ask him to start it |
| 11:57.46 | amro | does it shoot lasers? |
| 11:57.50 | |Pixel| | http://www.instructables.com/id/Body-Mod-Elf-Ears/ |
| 11:58.20 | Fisker- | START IT Kirochi |
| 11:58.21 | Fisker- | NOW |
| 11:58.23 | Kirochi | boobs |
| 11:58.30 | Kirkburn | Some people are insane :P |
| 11:58.41 | Fisker- | please god no |Pixel| |
| 11:58.50 | Kirochi | omg |
| 11:58.50 | |Pixel| | hm ? |
| 11:58.54 | Kirochi | she got elf ears |
| 11:59.00 | Kirochi | well guys I have troll tusks |
| 11:59.07 | Fisker- | gonna stick with what Kirkburn said |
| 11:59.11 | Fisker- | even i am not that insane |
| 11:59.15 | Kirochi | (wisdom teeth growing horizontally) |
| 11:59.37 | Kirochi | body mod sucks |
| 11:59.51 | Kirochi | I like auto-mutilation though |
| 12:00.53 | amro | that was automutilation |
| 12:01.11 | Kirochi | no the organ is still in place |
| 12:01.17 | Kirochi | modified somehow |
| 12:01.27 | Kirochi | but I'm talking about really manly mutilation |
| 12:01.34 | Kirochi | for instance |
| 12:01.43 | Kirochi | I cut my head off the day when I started to play WoW |
| 12:02.11 | Kirkburn | Auto- means doing it yourself, I doubt she did that personally to her ears |
| 12:03.18 | amro | it was her idea |
| 12:04.16 | Kirkburn | Still doesn't make it automutilation :) |
| 12:04.45 | Kirkburn | Insane, yes, automutilation, no :P |
| 12:05.00 | Fisker- | i'd automutilate her if you know what i mean |
| 12:08.08 | Kirkburn | Current commit size of Firefox: 1.7 GB |
| 12:08.29 | Kirkburn | It's maxing one of my CPUs and using 900MB of mem. I think something is wrong. |
| 12:09.50 | Kirkburn | riiight, and now I restored it and it's doing it again |
| 12:10.07 | Fisker- | i had one IE tab use 1,5GB memory |
| 12:10.23 | Kirochi | hum |
| 12:10.26 | Kirochi | the question is |
| 12:10.34 | Kirkburn | o_O |
| 12:10.50 | Kirochi | Who would really be as crazy as the one who's going to hump her elven face? |
| 12:11.11 | Kirochi | Is there anyone here who'd be eager to do it with an elf? |
| 12:11.37 | Kirochi | I doubt it, even though this channel is filled up with kinkful WoW geeks |
| 12:11.53 | Kirkburn | kinkful? |
| 12:12.16 | Fisker- | Read it up in the New, new, very new english dictionary. |
| 12:12.51 | Kirochi | Do I criticise you French vocabulary? |
| 12:14.33 | amro | ~failfox |
| 12:14.33 | infobot | firefox fails |
| 12:15.38 | Kirochi | fire firefox |
| 12:16.53 | Kirochi | ha ha ha |
| 12:16.59 | Kirochi | the freedom fries issue |
| 12:17.11 | Kirochi | that's what a french ambassador replied to americans |
| 12:17.13 | Kirochi | "We are at a very serious moment dealing with very serious issues and we are not focusing on the name you give to potatoes," |
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| 12:18.17 | amro | lol @ freedom fries |
| 12:18.18 | Kirouto | anyone here play on Dethecus? I'm training up a Belf and i'd love a partner. |
| 12:18.35 | amro | french were probably too busy with their own stupid name for potatoes |
| 12:18.50 | Kirochi | frites? |
| 12:19.05 | Kirochi | Kirouto |
| 12:19.09 | Kirouto | ? |
| 12:19.16 | Kirochi | there's too much Kir-s here |
| 12:19.18 | g0urra | lmao |
| 12:19.20 | g0urra | this is awesome |
| 12:19.20 | Kirouto | lol |
| 12:19.33 | g0urra | I'm riding a rocket down from the Blue Sky Loggin Grounds to Venture Bay |
| 12:20.07 | g0urra | takes a bit longer than using the flying mount, but alot more fun |
| 12:22.11 | amro | Kirochi: pommes de terre |
| 12:23.21 | Kirochi | on dit aussi patates >< |
| 12:26.20 | amro | ouais mais comme meme |
| 12:31.03 | Fisker- | apple juice? |
| 12:32.25 | Kirochi | no |
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| 12:32.31 | Kirochi | "earth apples" |
| 12:32.59 | Fisker- | i just remember seeing those on apple juice boxes :P |
| 12:33.18 | amro | they don't even look like apples, which has always confused me |
| 12:36.08 | Kirochi | amro by Parmentier's time glasses still weren't so effective |
| 12:36.17 | amro | rofl |
| 12:41.07 | Kirochi | eugh |
| 12:41.09 | Kirochi | wtf |
| 12:41.20 | Kirochi | I thought I liked The Offspring |
| 12:41.23 | Kirochi | but it sucks ass |
| 12:41.52 | pb_ee1 | hum even Americana? |
| 12:42.18 | Kirochi | I've found my old Americana CD |
| 12:42.28 | Kirochi | guess my musical tastes have changed |
| 12:42.30 | Kirochi | :p |
| 12:44.37 | Kirochi | http://www.deezer.com/track/558530 |
| 12:46.08 | pb_ee1 | ha i know this music |
| 12:46.23 | Kirochi | gangstas' paradise |
| 12:47.41 | amro | <3 yankovic |
| 12:48.00 | Kirochi | surprising how only french speakers answer at this time |
| 12:48.17 | Kirkburn | Kirochi, be glad Kirov ain't here |
| 12:48.28 | Kirouto | Rofl 3 Kir-s now |
| 12:48.39 | Kirochi | kirov |
| 12:48.41 | Kirochi | I know this name |
| 12:48.51 | Kirkburn | UI guy |
| 12:48.55 | Kirochi | ah true that |
| 12:48.57 | Kirouto | How many Kir-s are in this chan??? |
| 12:49.04 | Kirochi | usually two |
| 12:49.14 | Kirochi | Kirov sometimes pops in |
| 12:49.19 | Kirochi | so that makes three |
| 12:49.26 | Kirochi | but I seldom see him |
| 12:49.42 | Kirouto | and myself once I more regularly start coming in. |
| 12:50.02 | Kirkburn | (yay) |
| 12:50.03 | amro | not sure what timezone he's in, but he usually shows after 4pm GMT |
| 12:50.35 | Kirkburn | Kirouto, well, welcome :) |
| 12:50.50 | Kirochi | Kirouto no one plays WoW here, except for beta testers |
| 12:51.01 | amro | "This track is not availble for listening at this time" |
| 12:51.03 | amro | DIE DEEZER |
| 12:51.04 | amro | DIE |
| 12:51.14 | Kirkburn | Kirochi, lies, all lies |
| 12:51.23 | Kirkburn | Not even the beta testers play |
| 12:51.58 | Kirochi | heh |
| 12:51.59 | Kirouto | lol alright |
| 12:52.13 | Kirochi | damn |
| 12:52.17 | Kirochi | I opened the windo |
| 12:52.19 | Kirochi | w |
| 12:52.28 | Kirochi | before figuring out I wasn't wearing anything |
| 12:52.36 | Kirochi | gros moment de solitude à ma fenêtre |
| 12:53.23 | Kirouto | hmm I torrented the new Batman movie, but haven't watched it yet =/ |
| 12:53.48 | Kirochi | I tried to find it |
| 12:53.55 | Kirochi | but turns out it was a porno |
| 12:54.04 | Kirouto | oh my friend invited me to an amazing torrent site |
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| 12:54.14 | Kirochi | so now I'm emuling JCVD |
| 12:54.40 | Kirouto | open registrations are closed, and if you do something to get banned, the person who invited you also gets banned. their rules are really strict, and EVERYTHING is seeded :D |
| 12:55.32 | Kirouto | hmmm if i needed a codec for the movie, if i went to burn it onto a DVD would i need to put a copy of the coded in there as well? |
| 12:56.12 | Kirochi | dunno |
| 12:56.19 | Kirochi | ok |
| 12:56.24 | Kirochi | It's not the day for music |
| 12:56.34 | Kirochi | I don't like Nirvana either today |
| 12:57.15 | amro | http://www.deezer.com/track/29281 |
| 12:57.22 | Kirochi | weird al is the SHIT though |
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| 12:58.02 | Kirochi | Tell meeee... Why you have to and make me so constipateeeed |
| 12:58.31 | Kirochi | rednex is not music |
| 12:58.41 | Kirochi | it's swedish nazi propaganda |
| 12:59.43 | amro | http://www.deezer.com/track/45315 |
| 13:02.54 | Kirochi | lol |
| 13:03.00 | Kirochi | ceeeee n'est qu'un auuuurevoiiiiir |
| 13:05.46 | amro | and http://www.deezer.com/track/701096 of course |
| 13:05.50 | Kirochi | <3 Toten Hosen |
| 13:07.04 | amro | Avez vous planté les choux? |
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| 13:07.46 | Kirochi | ahhh la mooodeuh de chinous |
| 13:07.59 | Kirochi | (c'est Michaël Youn qui fait les choeurs :D ) |
| 13:09.30 | amro | rofl @ "harrek douzaine" |
| 13:12.02 | Kirochi | ça fit plisir |
| 13:12.04 | amro | heh http://www.deezer.com/track/158558 |
| 13:13.21 | Kirochi | ^^ |
| 13:15.59 | Kirochi | nouvelle transformation pour les druides dans WotLK |
| 13:16.01 | Kirochi | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:16.12 | Kirochi | Ah non désolé, ça existe déjà |
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| 13:17.32 | amro | lol |
| 13:20.22 | Kirochi | Truck dismount is just too funny |
| 13:22.21 | pb_ee1 | I love the new ability to ask our pet to get an object on the floor for us :p |
| 13:22.27 | pb_ee1 | need. |
| 13:22.30 | Kirochi | :D |
| 13:22.33 | Kirochi | FETCH |
| 13:22.41 | pb_ee1 | Fe... fetch? xD |
| 13:22.51 | pb_ee1 | takes his dictionnary. |
| 13:22.59 | Kirochi | ça veut dire "va chercher" |
| 13:22.59 | pb_ee1 | :( |
| 13:23.01 | amro | you went to fetch a dictionary? |
| 13:23.07 | pb_ee1 | lol |
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| 13:23.23 | Kirochi | http://www.deezer.com/track/569041 |
| 13:23.27 | pb_ee1 | yeah when someone asks me to fetch, i take my dictionnary. don't ask me why |
| 13:23.34 | Kirochi | suuuuure |
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| 13:25.08 | Kirochi | ragestorm your network is bad |
| 13:25.39 | Kirochi | Scaramouche, Scaramouche, will you do the fandango? |
| 13:26.17 | amro | cs time |
| 13:26.47 | Kirochi | cybersex? counter strike? |
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| 13:34.25 | Ragestorm_ | Does anyone have an opinion on in-universe writing? |
| 13:34.50 | Kirochi | Ragestorm I might be able to give it a try |
| 13:35.50 | Kirochi | I want to separate my thoughts in two categories, regarding the matter |
| 13:36.08 | amro|afk | Kirochi: countersex or cyberstrike |
| 13:36.08 | Ragestorm_ | proceed. |
| 13:36.26 | amro|afk | maybe even cybersex in counterstrike |
| 13:36.38 | amro|afk | anyway, gotta split. later |
| 13:36.58 | Ragestorm_ | Karazhan is located in [[Deadwind Pass]] on the sub-continent of [[Azeroth (continent)|Azeroth]] in the [[Eastern Kingdoms]]. Existing long before [[Medivh]] inhabited it, it is unknown who originally built Karazhan or who now resides within its walls. The land it sits on is described as thus, "Indeed the very way the hillock rose steeply, than gentled to a near-level slope at its apex, was similar in shape to a human skull. Many had not |
| 13:37.08 | Kirochi | If in-universe writing has the meaning of a polite term for "fan fiction", then... |
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| 13:37.31 | Ragestorm_ | No, in-universe means that it's written from an in-universe perspective |
| 13:37.40 | Kirochi | heh |
| 13:37.47 | Ragestorm_ | This could mean 3rd person, 3rd person omniscient whatever. |
| 13:37.49 | Kirochi | the poem about Aegwynn's life is |
| 13:37.53 | Kirochi | a masterpiece |
| 13:38.02 | Kirochi | somehow biased though |
| 13:39.18 | Ragestorm_ | IN other words, you can't say that such and such happened in this book, you have to say when it happened, ie, "early in the War of the Ancients" instead of "in the book Well of Eternity" or "during the Second War" instead of "in the book Tides of Darkness" |
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| 13:41.03 | Ragestorm_ | So much for network reliability... |
| 13:41.45 | Kirochi | I'll tell you what I want what I really really want |
| 13:41.53 | Arrowmaster | #wowace #wowuidev and #curseforge all just got spamed with a botnet |
| 13:43.24 | Kirochi | so yes ragestorm |
| 13:43.32 | Kirochi | we are not Lunar Falls |
| 13:44.32 | Kirochi | WoWwiki is an encyclopedia for players, not characters |
| 13:45.20 | Ragestorm_ | That has nothing whatsoever to do with what I'm talking about. |
| 13:45.42 | Ragestorm_ | True point, of course. |
| 13:46.21 | Kirochi | >_< |
| 13:46.29 | Kirochi | I say, we don't need in-universe writing |
| 13:47.12 | Ragestorm_ | That's better. Why? |
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| 13:48.01 | Kirochi | Heart says "Because unfortunately no one cares about lore" |
| 13:48.07 | Kirochi | Brains says "Because unfortunately no one cares about lore" |
| 13:51.25 | Kirochi | We all know that contradiction awaits us at every single corner of a story in a lore fabric |
| 13:51.54 | Ragestorm_ | No, just about 55-70% of corners. |
| 13:52.09 | Kirochi | so the rest has been cleaned up by creative devs? |
| 13:52.58 | Kirochi | s/story/story thread/ |
| 13:53.02 | Ragestorm_ | I think it's safe to say that most of these contradictions are actually retcons. |
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| 13:53.29 | Kirochi | um |
| 13:53.41 | Ragestorm_ | Well, not so much retcons as "this time we actually thought about" |
| 13:53.50 | Kirochi | to think Medivh could have been retconned because he was only featured in Warcraft I initially |
| 13:54.08 | Ragestorm_ | huh? |
| 13:54.32 | Ragestorm_ | Medivh coming back for RoC isn't a retcon, it's a plot twist. |
| 13:55.29 | Ragestorm_ | I'd say the first two games have been trumped by the lore put forward in the novels. |
| 13:55.39 | Kirochi | "Garona not coming back though announced for Warcraft II, Warcraft III, World of Wacraft and WoW: TBC isn't a retcon, it's just messing with your fans" |
| 13:56.10 | Ragestorm_ | That and someone shooting the idea down behind the scenes... |
| 13:56.34 | Ragestorm_ | And she was never slated to appear in WC2, she was dead. |
| 13:56.43 | Kirochi | wuzshe |
| 13:57.07 | Ragestorm_ | And I think TBC was a rumor, not an announcement |
| 13:57.10 | Kirochi | so she was dead, scheduled to come back but didn't |
| 13:57.25 | Kirochi | then rumored to come again but again nothing |
| 13:57.45 | Ragestorm_ | At this point, I don't think even they know how to do it. |
| 13:58.00 | Kirochi | Ragestorm, we should rename the encyc "PlotTwistWiki" |
| 13:58.10 | Ragestorm_ | Why? |
| 13:59.06 | Kirochi | because I don't believe that now Blizz got a creative development department they are going to keep up a credible story |
| 13:59.37 | Ragestorm_ | What does that have to do with anything? |
| 14:00.15 | Kirochi | I am a man of the past, and I don't think I'll bear their funny "plot twists" anymore |
| 14:00.40 | Kirochi | the future of warcraft is not for me |
| 14:00.44 | Ragestorm_ | Your perogative. |
| 14:01.20 | Ragestorm_ | I have a job to do, and I'm going to damn well find a way to do it, even if I have to step over a few skulls to do it. |
| 14:01.58 | Kirochi | seems I haven't been good enough to hold mune =) |
| 14:01.59 | Kirochi | mine |
| 14:02.24 | Ragestorm_ | Your skull is safe enough from me. |
| 14:02.37 | Ragestorm_ | For now... :O |
| 14:03.01 | Kirochi | I've seen you muttering threats towards me on Baggins' talk page ! :o |
| 14:03.10 | Ragestorm_ | :O |
| 14:03.14 | Ragestorm_ | Since when? |
| 14:03.19 | Kirochi | or was it towards the whole bk organization ? 8) |
| 14:03.57 | Ragestorm_ | The only threats I've ever muttered on Baggins' talk page were towards DarkTichondrias! |
| 14:04.13 | Ragestorm_ | Oh gods, the fanart... |
| 14:04.52 | Kirochi | ... |
| 14:05.13 | Kirochi | I actually did a fanart for TopDread aka DarkTichondrias' fanfic =) |
| 14:06.50 | Ragestorm_ | The only thing I can remember is that he protested the use of the term "biology", and though that an undead troll with the spirit of a night elf who's jaw was broken shut was the pinnacle of romanic fiction. |
| 14:06.55 | Kirochi | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Boldrish_SW.JPG |
| 14:07.05 | Kirochi | my version of his character |
| 14:07.11 | Kirochi | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:BoldrisMorning.jpg |
| 14:07.16 | Kirochi | his version of the very same scene |
| 14:07.47 | Ragestorm_ | I think it's obvious whose is better... |
| 14:08.42 | Kirochi | poor guy never played WoW in his life |
| 14:09.49 | Kirochi | [15:43] <Kirkburn> Kirochi, spam the wow channel |
| 14:10.28 | Kirochi | okay Kirkburn |
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| 14:12.28 | Kirochi | Ragestorm_ I actually had something like a row with him |
| 14:13.07 | Ragestorm_ | didn't we all... |
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| 14:15.36 | Kirochi | don't you remember |
| 14:15.37 | Kirochi | um |
| 14:16.24 | Kirochi | the template with garona's head |
| 14:16.50 | Kirochi | which said "this user supports halfbreeds" or such |
| 14:17.29 | Kirochi | my answer on the template talk page was |
| 14:17.33 | Kirochi | Hummm ... What does that exactly mean ? Do you support Orcish or Human rapes on other races than on their own ? Would you force people to have interracial relations instead of the ones they want ? Explain yourself. And please make a counter-template saying 'This user is a mean racist and would attack hybrids on sight'--Kirochi 13:12, 21 April 2006 (EDT) |
| 14:22.19 | Kirochi | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=World_of_Warcraft:_Wrath_of_the_Lich_King&diff=prev&oldid=1560356 |
| 14:22.24 | Kirochi | just friggin funny |
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| 14:26.02 | Kirkburn | DT's Warcraft 3 images were interesting, to say the least |
| 14:26.39 | Kirochi | his mspaint edits were fugly |
| 14:27.13 | Kirkburn | What the heck is up with my Firefox today |
| 14:27.38 | Kirochi | you too Kirkburn? |
| 14:27.40 | Kirochi | oO |
| 14:27.48 | Kirkburn | Too? |
| 14:27.59 | Kirkburn | Running away with RAM for you? |
| 14:28.24 | Kirochi | nup |
| 14:28.30 | Kirkburn | Then what? |
| 14:28.58 | Kirochi | it just takes forever to load things, fails at opening pages, though all other browsers and softwares using internet work perfectly |
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| 14:29.13 | Kirochi | widgets don't function |
| 14:29.26 | Kirkburn | Hmm, that all seems okay for me |
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| 14:32.23 | g0urra | *sigh* I wonder why people even bother making pages like [[Guild Progression: Wrath Of The Lich King]] now |
| 14:32.38 | Kirochi | Does anyone know how to record a fine animated gif for a warcraft III unit? |
| 14:32.58 | Kirochi | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Diablo.gif |
| 14:33.05 | Kirochi | I want to make its counterpart for terran up the night |
| 14:33.28 | Kirkburn | Er, so ... StarCraft? |
| 14:33.33 | Kirochi | no |
| 14:33.41 | Kirochi | the space marine unit in war3 |
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| 14:34.05 | Kirochi | no I haven't smoked any strange plants |
| 14:34.11 | Kirkburn | Yeah, I believe you |
| 14:34.17 | tanuki | WoW servers down? |
| 14:34.18 | Kirkburn | But no, I don't know |
| 14:34.30 | Kirkburn | tanuki, US? Maintenance tuesday? |
| 14:34.46 | tanuki | I didn't know about that |
| 14:35.05 | Kirkburn | I must guess you are a new player :) |
| 14:35.14 | tanuki | Month or so. |
| 14:35.23 | Kirkburn | Generally, every other tuesday the servers go down for maintenance |
| 14:35.33 | tanuki | Ah. About how long does that last? |
| 14:35.53 | Kirkburn | Forums are the best place to find out - I'll look it up |
| 14:36.06 | tanuki | I'll look it up if you tell me where to start looking |
| 14:36.32 | g0urra | http://www.wowwiki.com/Tuesday_morning_downtime |
| 14:36.46 | tanuki | g0urra: Thanks |
| 14:37.07 | tanuki | so, until 2PM my time (EST) |
| 14:37.13 | Kirkburn | Someone recorded that stuff? o_O |
| 14:37.26 | Kirkburn | tanuki, yep |
| 14:37.35 | Kirkburn | But it can be shorter or longer |
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| 14:38.02 | Kirkburn | That is slightly out of date - it is no longer every tuesday |
| 14:38.30 | Kirochi | Ragestorm |
| 14:38.33 | Kirkburn | (It is every other tuesday) |
| 14:38.35 | Kirochi | http://www.worldofwarcraft-alliance.com/typo3temp/pics/b2ae4440ec.jpg |
| 14:38.41 | Kirochi | suitable picture for the wiki? |
| 14:38.46 | Ragestorm | Typical, Kirkburn, start taking about someting the second I leave... |
| 14:38.52 | Kirochi | it's the only one I could find for both of them |
| 14:39.12 | Kirkburn | Ragestorm, :O |
| 14:39.12 | Ragestorm | That Rene and his late brother? |
| 14:39.15 | Kirochi | yes |
| 14:39.33 | Ragestorm | Kirochi, it's suitable, I suppose, if a bit low-quality |
| 14:39.36 | Kirochi | rené on the left I bet, judging on his haircut |
| 14:39.39 | Ragestorm | Kirkburn :P |
| 14:39.54 | tanuki | ... excuse the n00b question, but whozat? |
| 14:41.24 | Kirochi | [[Twincruiser]] |
| 14:41.42 | tanuki | Kirochi: Ah. |
| 14:42.47 | tanuki | I had read about them but didn't recognize the faces. |
| 14:45.07 | Kirochi | http://www.wowwiki.com/Twincruiser |
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| 14:50.15 | Kirkburn | At least we can prove that he's really is that tall and we really aren't that short |
| 14:50.35 | Ragestorm | Whatever you say, boss... |
| 14:50.40 | Kirochi | you've started an inferiority complex I think |
| 14:50.52 | Kirochi | Adys, pb_ee1 and I haven't complained so far |
| 14:50.55 | Kirkburn | *I* did? I'm not the one who pointed it out ... |
| 14:51.33 | Ragestorm | Anyway, that pic has no indicator of height |
| 14:51.56 | Kirkburn | Are you suggesting he is standing on a box? |
| 14:51.59 | Kirochi | dost thee want one? |
| 14:52.33 | Kirkburn | touché |
| 14:52.51 | Kirkburn | I wish XChat allowed me to type é into the input |
| 14:53.13 | Kirochi | to type what? |
| 14:53.15 | Ragestorm | No, I'm saying that twins in an airport/bus terminal/whatever doesn't prove that they're crazy tall and you're not crazy short. |
| 14:53.21 | Kirkburn | Kirochi, e acute |
| 14:53.30 | Kirochi | old warehouse, Ragestorm |
| 14:53.33 | Kirochi | é ? |
| 14:53.56 | Kirkburn | Ctrl+Alt+e does nothing unless I use a text editor, or mediawiki input |
| 14:54.17 | Kirkburn | No, I am not going to get a weird french keyboard |
| 14:54.45 | Kirkburn | Ragestorm, my apologies, I was referring to http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Sons_of_the_Storm.jpg |
| 14:54.45 | Adys | I just got reminded that Random does not mean fair, and past results do not influence future occurences |
| 14:55.02 | Kirkburn | Adys, miss out on Frostmourne? |
| 14:55.27 | Adys | Nope, I killed about 50 nagas without a single key dropping on quel'danas |
| 14:55.34 | Kirochi | lololol |
| 14:55.35 | Adys | was about to report to a gm and the next one a key dropped |
| 14:55.37 | Kirkburn | ouch |
| 14:56.06 | Kirochi | papercuts hurt |
| 14:56.07 | Kirkburn | It's always been about 1/2 to 1/3 for me |
| 14:56.13 | Adys | Same |
| 14:56.47 | Kirkburn | my calculator cannot count the infinitessimally small possibility you missed out 50 times |
| 14:57.32 | Kirochi | lies |
| 14:57.35 | Adys | um |
| 14:57.41 | Kirochi | adys can't count up to 50 |
| 14:57.47 | Kirkburn | Actually, I just typed it wrong |
| 14:58.07 | Kirkburn | But the possibility is vanishingly small for a 1/3 drop chance to randomly not drop 50 times |
| 14:58.33 | Kirkburn | 1.4x10^-24 |
| 14:58.50 | Adys | why 1.4? |
| 14:58.58 | Kirochi | 1.33 |
| 14:59.06 | Kirochi | funnily rounded |
| 14:59.19 | Kirochi | no? |
| 14:59.20 | Kirkburn | it's not 1.33 |
| 14:59.31 | Kirochi | ~fail |
| 14:59.31 | infobot | Sorry, kirochi, you have failed. |
| 14:59.31 | Kirkburn | 1.392955569... |
| 15:00.13 | Kirkburn | Powers of prime numbers do not give "nice" numbers |
| 15:00.35 | Kirkburn | Well, pretty much no powers do |
| 15:00.51 | Kirkburn | They all bear little relation to the number you started out with |
| 15:00.53 | Kirochi | http://www.deezer.com/track/160847 |
| 15:01.05 | Kirkburn | But anyway, the calculation was (1/3)^50 |
| 15:01.51 | Kirochi | no |
| 15:01.56 | Kirochi | wait |
| 15:02.05 | Kirochi | it would rather be 2/3 power 50 |
| 15:02.23 | Kirkburn | True |
| 15:02.23 | Kirochi | cause 1/3 is the probability of winning on said round |
| 15:02.33 | Kirochi | so 2/3 is the failing prob |
| 15:02.47 | Fisker- | ooh |
| 15:02.47 | Kirkburn | In that case: 0.000000001 |
| 15:02.50 | Fisker- | 11 million players |
| 15:03.01 | Fisker- | well 10.9 million, but still :o |
| 15:03.25 | Kirkburn | Aka: 0.000000156% chance that Adys's event could occur |
| 15:03.28 | Kirochi | Fisker-, First Life will hit 7 billion some time in 2009 |
| 15:03.44 | Kirochi | Kirkburn still it happened |
| 15:03.47 | Adys | okay i just checked my combat log and it's 43 warrior nagas killed |
| 15:03.50 | Adys | recound with that |
| 15:03.53 | Adys | recount* |
| 15:03.56 | Kirkburn | okay |
| 15:04.14 | Kirkburn | 0.000002679% |
| 15:04.20 | Adys | Cool \o/ |
| 15:04.30 | Kirkburn | That is, 1 in every 373184 |
| 15:05.00 | Kirkburn | But not 1 in every 373184 naga kills - that's for each 43 naga killed |
| 15:05.08 | Kirochi | when is the mob's loot determined? When it dies or when it spawns? |
| 15:05.19 | Adys | when it spawns |
| 15:05.49 | Kirkburn | I would assume you did not kill a different spawn each time though |
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| 15:06.32 | Fisker- | Kirochi my new game will slash First Life's number in half |
| 15:06.33 | Adys | what do you mean? |
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| 15:07.07 | Kirkburn | I'm not sure how IDs work - do mobs in the same spawn point have the same id? |
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| 15:07.27 | Kirochi | Fisker-, you planning on developing Fourth Reich-Industrial slaughter revisited? |
| 15:07.52 | Fisker- | the highly addictive MMORTS |
| 15:09.29 | Kirochi | Play ONE unique race! |
| 15:09.53 | Kirochi | Introducing Permadeath! |
| 15:10.23 | Fisker- | Create your own deathsquads |
| 15:12.11 | Kirochi | Destructible environments! |
| 15:13.02 | Kirochi | Exclusive new classes : civilian, soldier, dictator and the dead! |
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| 15:16.13 | Kirkburn | Getting a teensy bit morbid there,,, |
| 15:16.30 | Kirkburn | No, keyboard, you shall not use commas |
| 15:16.53 | Kirochi | 2l8 |
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| 15:19.14 | Kirochi | Hugues Aufray is a hobo |
| 15:19.52 | Kirkburn | But do you know a Hugh Jass? |
| 15:20.45 | Kirochi | I'm afraid not |
| 15:21.45 | Kirochi | http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra3Igp-Zr6Y&feature=related |
| 15:21.52 | Kirkburn | Have you every looked up Amanda Hugankiz? |
| 15:21.54 | Kirochi | great song from brittany |
| 15:23.32 | Kirochi | who the hell is amanda hugankiz? |
| 15:23.32 | Kirochi | oO |
| 15:23.52 | Kirkburn | You've never looked for Amanda Huginkiz? |
| 15:24.19 | Kirkburn | Apparently you are not reading this names out loud :P |
| 15:24.59 | Kirochi | a *something* hug and kiss? |
| 15:25.01 | Kirochi | a mender? |
| 15:25.14 | Kirochi | I got Hugh Jass |
| 15:25.14 | Kirkburn | "a man to" |
| 15:25.26 | g0urra | ... |
| 15:25.49 | Kirochi | Kirkburn, do you know Arheddis Varkenjaab? |
| 15:26.15 | Kirkburn | oh, lol, the airport name |
| 15:26.24 | Kirochi | yes |
| 15:26.34 | Kirochi | Arheddis Varkenjaab and Aywillbe Fayed |
| 15:26.40 | Kirkburn | I remember receiving those in an email many many years ago |
| 15:26.47 | Kirkburn | When you would actually open email attachments |
| 15:26.58 | Kirochi | some were awesome |
| 15:27.03 | Kirkburn | Indeed they were |
| 15:27.12 | Kirkburn | I think it was Gatwick Airport? |
| 15:27.22 | g0urra | Hmf - is it "Inscripting trainers" or "Inscription trainers"? |
| 15:27.43 | Fisker- | g0urra my friend |
| 15:27.50 | g0urra | The latter one would be more logical |
| 15:27.59 | Kirkburn | g0urra, yeah, I wondered too |
| 15:28.07 | Kirochi | Arjevbin Fayed and Bybeiev Rhibodie |
| 15:28.23 | Kirkburn | Most people seem to use "Inscription" as the main term |
| 15:28.32 | Kirkburn | So I do thing it would be better |
| 15:28.34 | g0urra | Tbh I would think it's "Inscription trainers" |
| 15:28.37 | Kirochi | Kirkburn it was at 2 different airports |
| 15:28.47 | Kirkburn | "Bybeiev Rhibodie" just makes me think of Dr Nick from The Simpsons |
| 15:29.07 | Kirochi | Mahkollig Jezvahted and Levdaroum DeBaztehd |
| 15:29.21 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 15:29.27 | Adys | dd |
| 15:29.27 | Adys | [18:07:07] <@Kirkburn> I'm not sure how IDs work - do mobs in the same spawn point have the same id? |
| 15:29.27 | Adys | ? |
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| 15:30.09 | Kirkburn | Adys, nvm, I was just theorising randomly, ignore |
| 15:30.12 | Kirochi | Kirkburn first four were at Heathrow, last one was at Gatwick |
| 15:30.19 | Kirkburn | Ah yes of course |
| 15:30.31 | Kirochi | http://www.thewebshite.net/airport.htm |
| 15:30.57 | Adys | a mob identical to another one in id and level will have exactly the same loot table as the other one |
| 15:31.21 | Adys | that means, the same probabilities for each tables to pop the same items and so on |
| 15:31.32 | Adys | location doesnt matter |
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| 15:33.01 | Kirkburn | Makollig is awesome |
| 15:33.05 | Kirochi | :D |
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| 15:40.47 | Kirochi | http://aperturescience.com/ |
| 15:43.39 | Daedals | :) |
| 15:43.45 | Daedals | awesome website |
| 15:44.46 | ralfWORK | huh? |
| 15:44.49 | ralfWORK | I don't think I get it |
| 15:45.51 | ralfWORK | i r dum |
| 15:45.52 | Kirochi | have you played portal? |
| 15:45.53 | Daedals | if you have played the game "Portal" you get it |
| 15:46.02 | ralfWORK | never heard of it |
| 15:46.03 | Kirochi | true Daedals |
| 15:46.16 | Kirochi | the game gives you the sense of humour and references needed |
| 15:46.23 | ralfWORK | I see |
| 15:46.26 | Kirochi | ralfWORK run outside and get it |
| 15:46.34 | ralfWORK | eh? |
| 15:46.59 | Kirochi | buy it! |
| 15:46.59 | Daedals | "Now you're thinking with portals" |
| 15:47.13 | Kirochi | I can't take it |
| 15:47.18 | Kirochi | I'm on for some Portal |
| 15:47.19 | Kirochi | see ya |
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| 16:09.30 | Kirkburn | aaaaah, people |
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| 16:11.41 | g0urra | aaaaah, people |
| 16:11.44 | pb_ee1 | hooooooooo g0urra |
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| 16:12.18 | DuTempete | peoples all over g0urra |
| 16:12.19 | g0urra | is overwhelmed by the peopleing |
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| 16:12.49 | fric | so like |
| 16:12.49 | fric | freenode is sending version requests like every month |
| 16:13.15 | fric | can you see some kind of statistics somewhere or something |
| 16:13.15 | fric | ? |
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| 16:32.16 | Kirkburn | fric, no idea |
| 16:32.32 | Kirkburn | pokes DuTempete |
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| 16:45.01 | Fisker- | g0urra my friend |
| 16:47.54 | Adys | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8557252889&sid=2000 |
| 16:49.38 | Fisker- | that's bad :( |
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| 16:49.59 | Kirochi | ok now |
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| 16:56.08 | Kirochi | hey guys, I got a technical issue there |
| 16:56.30 | Kirochi | just how many dcc-raw sockets can the ircII client connect b4 core dump? |
| 17:00.45 | ralfWORK_ | uhm |
| 17:00.51 | ralfWORK_ | I'm not aware of any limitation |
| 17:00.52 | ralfWORK_ | why? |
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| 17:01.57 | ralfWORK_ | I'm thinking "one less than whatever made you core dump before" :D |
| 17:01.58 | Kirochi | I'm not sure |
| 17:03.07 | pcj | http://www.startribune.com/local/26266034.html |
| 17:03.18 | pcj | http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D92BL5FO0&show_article=1 |
| 17:03.36 | pcj | "Police said the 42-year-old man dialed 911 twice last week so he could have his sub made correctly. The second call was to complain that officers weren't arriving fast enough. " |
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| 17:07.51 | pcj | http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-hotground5-2008aug05,0,4689903.story |
| 17:07.54 | pcj | freaky |
| 17:11.01 | Kirochi | his what? |
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| 17:20.02 | DuTempete | pokes Kirkburn |
| 17:22.30 | Fisker- | KIRKBUUUUUUUURN |
| 17:23.31 | Kirkburn | FIIIIISKKKEEEEEER |
| 17:28.37 | Fisker- | nah |
| 17:29.23 | g0urra | kills Fisker- |
| 17:30.46 | Kirochi | g0urra my firend |
| 17:30.50 | Kirochi | fiend* |
| 17:30.57 | g0urra | kills Kirochi |
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| 17:37.11 | Kirochi | is revived by a necromancer |
| 17:37.15 | Kirochi | Brainnnnsss |
| 17:37.39 | ralfWORK_ | ?!? |
| 17:40.40 | Kirochi | I iz an undeadz |
| 17:41.03 | ralfWORK_ | lulz |
| 17:41.03 | ralfWORK_ | k |
| 17:48.43 | g0urra | note to self: don't try and fly above Bloodmoon Isle |
| 17:49.02 | g0urra | dismounting and severe head pain may follow |
| 17:49.59 | Fisker- | this is madness |
| 17:50.03 | Fisker- | g0urra my friend |
| 17:50.12 | g0urra | stabs Fisker- |
| 17:50.27 | Fisker- | g0urra my friend |
| 17:51.15 | amro|afk | very friendly |
| 17:52.53 | g0urra | indeed, it's the ritual friendly stab |
| 17:58.06 | winkiller | http://phpimpact.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/mediawiki.gif |
| 17:59.56 | Fisker- | >:O Kirkburn |
| 18:00.01 | Fisker- | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=5102501089&sid=1&pageNo=5#98 <-HE EDITED IT |
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| 18:02.00 | g0urra | looool |
| 18:02.20 | jaxdahl2 | main thing is that the real emails do not have html links |
| 18:03.05 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 18:03.11 | Kirkburn | omg, quest tracking! |
| 18:03.15 | Kirkburn | For low level quests! |
| 18:03.17 | Kirkburn | whee |
| 18:03.45 | Kirkburn | It's coming in the next build |
| 18:04.26 | amro|afk | what about them? |
| 18:04.34 | Fisker- | owld |
| 18:04.39 | Kirkburn | It shows quest givers even if they're low level quests |
| 18:04.49 | amro|afk | ah |
| 18:04.58 | amro|afk | on the minimap... I was thinking the quest progress tracker |
| 18:05.10 | Kirkburn | Yeah, minimap |
| 18:05.15 | amro|afk | is it optional though? |
| 18:05.23 | Kirkburn | It's a tracker option |
| 18:05.31 | Kirkburn | You can choose quest givers |
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| 18:15.27 | Adys | http://www.questionablecontent.net/comics/1200.png |
| 18:15.41 | g0urra | oooold |
| 18:17.54 | Kirkburn | So, I didn't realise how big the warlock pet changes were |
| 18:24.18 | jaxdahl2 | the next build needs to be out yesterday! |
| 18:24.39 | jaxdahl2 | kind of sick of playing with DK mechanics i know are going to change |
| 18:24.52 | selckin | anyone know of a beta mirror? the torrent is so slow |
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| 18:38.35 | Fisker- | g0urra my friend |
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| 18:41.59 | mxs | Another 4 days pass by, another wowaa-guy responds to my mail with something entirely useless :/ |
| 18:42.13 | mxs | "After a review of the account in question, we regret to inform you that we have come to the same conclusion." |
| 18:43.10 | mxs | Who does one have to call at Blizzard to get a mistakenly banned account reinstated ? It seems offering any and all data wowaa may or may not require does nothing but yield a generic canned response |
| 18:45.51 | sancus | it's basically impossible to have an account reinstated |
| 18:46.21 | Fisker- | mistakenly banned accounts will be reinstated |
| 18:48.58 | sancus | Assuming they realize it was mistaken |
| 18:49.12 | sancus | in reality, they dont most of the time and they just do what their tools tell them |
| 18:49.16 | sancus | I have some experience in this area :P |
| 18:49.25 | Fisker- | their tools are right |
| 18:49.33 | Fisker- | so obviosuly they are not mistaken |
| 18:49.34 | Fisker- | baww |
| 18:49.42 | sancus | lol |
| 18:49.52 | mxs | well |
| 18:49.57 | mxs | They are obviously wrong |
| 18:50.05 | mxs | I pride myself on not cheating |
| 18:50.11 | Fisker- | that's what they all say, etc. |
| 18:50.15 | mxs | Hell, I'm one of the very few people int he world with 40 reps at exalted |
| 18:50.29 | mxs | yupp |
| 18:50.43 | mxs | I have no problems proving it in any way they see fit |
| 18:50.45 | mxs | and have said as much |
| 18:51.45 | mxs | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Stormrage&n=Nebshar <-- that's the character in question ... That doesn't even LOOK like a cheating/botting character. |
| 18:52.56 | Gryphen | how does one LOOK like one? |
| 18:53.08 | Fisker- | doesn't really |
| 18:53.09 | sancus | people get banned all the time |
| 18:53.20 | mxs | I don't know, crappy gear, hunter, reputations all over the place, maybe arena :) |
| 18:53.21 | sancus | sometimes their detection is just wrong |
| 18:53.22 | sancus | but |
| 18:53.28 | sancus | Good luck proving that to them or getting them to rescind the ban |
| 18:53.34 | sancus | It is extremely rare |
| 18:53.37 | sancus | Most of the time impossible |
| 18:53.39 | mxs | heh, I have been playing since original closed beta |
| 18:53.42 | Fisker- | Their detection has been wrong 1 time |
| 18:53.47 | Fisker- | and that time they removed the bans again |
| 18:53.51 | sancus | lol |
| 18:54.00 | mxs | their detection has been wrong in this case, so that is at least 2 times :P |
| 18:54.03 | sancus | No, Fisker. |
| 18:54.04 | Fisker- | likely just been compromised or have had some software running you shouldn't have been running |
| 18:54.13 | sancus | Just no. |
| 18:54.18 | Fisker- | Just yes. |
| 18:54.21 | mxs | I have no software running I should not have been running, and to my knowledge, my account was not compromised |
| 18:54.38 | sancus | If you want to have inaccurate fantasies of Blizzard's banning being right 100% of the time, feel free. |
| 18:54.41 | sancus | But that's not how reality works. |
| 18:54.56 | Fisker- | I didn't say they were right 100% of the time |
| 18:54.57 | sancus | It's good enough not to cause widespread whining for the mostpart |
| 18:55.05 | Fisker- | so perhaps you should drop your own fantasies? |
| 18:55.16 | Fisker- | neither were the wine issue in it's time |
| 18:55.18 | sancus | You just said their detection has been wrong 1 time and they removed the bans |
| 18:55.19 | sancus | and that's false |
| 18:55.21 | Fisker- | oddly enough they fixed that as well |
| 18:55.32 | mxs | Guess since it's now the third boneheaded (sorry, but it really is) canned-response reply, I'll have to start writing on a a.wirebrain.de/wow update on how a.) I can no longer log in and b.) therefore gonna have to stop updating that page |
| 18:55.36 | sancus | They ban people improperly all the time |
| 18:55.37 | Gryphen | futile argument here nonetheless |
| 18:55.39 | sancus | But there's really ntohing you can do about it |
| 18:55.45 | sancus | part of the risk of doing business |
| 18:56.27 | mxs | bah, I want to see Kil'Jaeden dead, first hand. Which I was going to be doing, had the account not been mistakenly banned. :/ |
| 18:56.29 | sancus | sucks, mxs |
| 18:56.41 | sancus | what was it banned for specifically? |
| 18:57.36 | mxs | I am still trying to get an answer out of them on that. The one time they did get a specific (canned) response was when they claimed the "sniffing" sentence and the "scripting/botting" sentence of the ToU were violated |
| 18:57.52 | mxs | though I am not sure whether that was specific to this ban or is just boilerplate |
| 18:57.58 | mxs | also something about the economy |
| 18:58.26 | Fisker- | goldselling then |
| 18:58.34 | mxs | on the second review they then claimed I was sharing the account (which was never mentioned in the first mail) with somebody overseas, knowingly, somebody in a region other than the one the account was registered in |
| 18:58.55 | sancus | sounds like you got hacked then |
| 18:59.12 | mxs | (which is patent nonsense; I live in Germany, there is a US address listed for the simple reason that at the time I registered, I was in the US, and no non-US-addresses worked, anyway) |
| 18:59.33 | mxs | doubt it, according to my guildmembers, all my characters were where they were supposed to be at the logout time I last logged out |
| 18:59.53 | mxs | Fisker-: how is "sniffing" and "botting" goldselling ? |
| 19:00.11 | Fisker- | it's usually related |
| 19:00.18 | mxs | interesting tidbit |
| 19:00.29 | mxs | I move around great mounds of gold and items |
| 19:00.42 | mxs | by virtue of being guild bank officer of an end-game raiding guild |
| 19:01.09 | mxs | though I don't remember any recent transactions outside the guild exceeding 1000g ... I did send 10000g to a guildmember the day before the ban though |
| 19:01.32 | sancus | economy exploits are goldselling and |
| 19:01.35 | sancus | most of the time when they hack accounts |
| 19:01.39 | sancus | they don't actually have someone abuse them |
| 19:01.39 | mxs | but that's not the parts of the ToS they referenced specifically |
| 19:01.43 | mxs | just alluded to it |
| 19:01.48 | sancus | they just have a bot that picks it up and abuses it |
| 19:01.54 | sancus | it's all automated |
| 19:02.29 | mxs | I am still rather convinced my account was not hacked, but hell, I can ask them to verify my IPs |
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| 19:02.49 | mxs | not that they'll care or respond with anything non-canned. |
| 19:03.07 | g0urra | http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?npc=28070 |
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| 19:03.27 | sancus | mxs: Yeah I've dealt with aa before, they are pretty useless :/ |
| 19:03.51 | mxs | sancus: I'm sending polite, detailed emails |
| 19:03.57 | sancus | yep |
| 19:03.58 | mxs | getting back canned responses not addressing the mail |
| 19:04.05 | Fisker- | Well signing up with fake information to begin with is a bannable offense, but i'm certain they will listen |
| 19:04.15 | mxs | Fisker-: it's NOT fake information. |
| 19:04.26 | mxs | Letters to that very address will arrive at my address, eventually. |
| 19:04.35 | mxs | I used to live there, after all :) |
| 19:05.07 | mxs | (and they do have all the information too, the credit card has the current info and has not ever changed on the account) |
| 19:06.11 | Fisker- | ah thought you faked your info because you were in the USA |
| 19:06.18 | mxs | Disproving this (pardon) bullshit would be a WHOLE lot easier if they actually said what I am supposed to have done wrong |
| 19:06.24 | Fisker- | but i read it the other way around |
| 19:06.31 | mxs | no, I live in Germany now |
| 19:06.35 | mxs | I was in the US at the time |
| 19:06.46 | Fisker- | Well atleast i'd mention that if you haven't already |
| 19:07.09 | mxs | I tried using my German address (since I was going there soon, anyway), but the system would not take non-US addresses :) |
| 19:07.13 | mxs | oh, I mentioned it |
| 19:07.31 | mxs | the response was the same, a rather terse "after another review, blah blah, no." |
| 19:07.51 | Fisker- | you can always try wowconcernseu@blizzard.com |
| 19:08.01 | mxs | eu won't help me, I am a US customer :) |
| 19:08.02 | Fisker- | Always been useful to me in the past |
| 19:08.07 | Fisker- | ah |
| 19:08.16 | mxs | been playing since closed beta |
| 19:11.05 | mxs | Fisker-: and as to their banning policies; I have read their public statement on them, and those are, quite frankly, lies. Account Closure is listed as "rare", used when "excessive violations" are noted, and repetitive behavior is noted. |
| 19:11.31 | mxs | As for rarity, in my guild, I have seen 4 bans. |
| 19:11.41 | mxs | 2 of them were later repealed |
| 19:11.55 | mxs | 1 apparently point-traded |
| 19:12.16 | mxs | 1 just quit the game altogether, but I believe him to not be a cheater |
| 19:12.32 | mxs | (he may have been on a pvp team that previously point traded, but I guess he didn't press the issue with wowaa) |
| 19:13.09 | mxs | Repetitive actions is a lie; my account has never been warned, reprimanded, suspended, or otherwise actioned upon -- in over 3 years of active playing |
| 19:13.36 | mxs | "excessive violations" must be a lie, since I have not violated the ToS at all. Nothing excessive about that :) |
| 19:14.07 | mxs | I do play excessively (heck, I farmed 3 of the rare 1 in 1000 pets in the span of 4 days, many hours of grinding :) |
| 19:14.24 | mxs | ah well. |
| 19:14.59 | Fisker- | any cheating/goldselling matter will usually result in either a ban or a final warning |
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| 19:16.49 | jaxdahl2 | seems they aren't liking a large amount of gold transferred on a different IP address |
| 19:17.18 | jaxdahl2 | and afaik it's not a violation of their terms to play from a different country? |
| 19:17.22 | mxs | I never received any warning, so they went to banning -- and the reason given was primarily exploit by botting and sniffing network data (from what I can make out, the mails are, after all, canned pieces) |
| 19:17.27 | jaxdahl2 | they removed that section a while ago |
| 19:17.48 | mxs | I support their stance on goldselling and the like |
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| 19:18.07 | Fisker- | jaxdahl2 their goldtracking methods are kinda tight |
| 19:18.11 | Fisker- | given the economy as it is now |
| 19:18.13 | mxs | as for goldtransfers, the IP address I was on is in the same network I am always on |
| 19:18.21 | Fisker- | i believe even transfers over 1k gets attention |
| 19:18.35 | mxs | Fisker-: heh, I sent 10k to a guildmate |
| 19:18.37 | Fisker- | which isn't that fair given the thousands of gold players easily can get |
| 19:19.04 | jaxdahl2 | i've transferred thousands of gold between my accounts |
| 19:19.46 | Fisker- | yeah they only get marked |
| 19:19.50 | Fisker- | they don't automatically ban people |
| 19:20.01 | Fisker- | so someone still decided it was some kind of offense, if that inded is the reason |
| 19:20.20 | mxs | but quite honestly, I have done transactions iwth other guilds of over 25k before (patterns and the like), and pure gold trades of over 100k (before transferring to a PTR, from the guildbank -- before we had teh guildbankfeature :) |
| 19:20.54 | mxs | heh, I can account for every single transaction on the account and I'd LOVE to defend myself if that were, indeed, the reason |
| 19:21.18 | mxs | thing is, they aren't saying. They just wave in the direction of the ToU and say I have violated some portion of it in some manner they are not divulging. |
| 19:23.04 | mxs | So right now I'm going to have to assume their system "automatically" flagged my account for botting and sniffing data, in some manner, since those are the two ToS sections they referenced in one of their canned responses |
| 19:23.18 | Eraclito | the bad thing is they're right |
| 19:23.20 | Eraclito | i mean... |
| 19:23.21 | mxs | (I have no idea whether those were just "examples" or actually refer to what they seem to think I did wrong) |
| 19:23.27 | Eraclito | they're "right" always |
| 19:23.34 | Eraclito | and they can do everything they want |
| 19:23.51 | mxs | and since I have to assume that, I now have to assume that their system is faulty. I want to know in what way it is faulty. |
| 19:23.55 | mxs | of course they can. |
| 19:23.58 | Eraclito | you undersigned tos/eula, and it says they can do anything |
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| 19:24.03 | mxs | yupp. |
| 19:24.11 | mxs | Doesn'T make good business sense to do everything though. |
| 19:24.27 | Eraclito | nope, sure |
| 19:24.45 | Eraclito | but their admins aren't often good with people |
| 19:24.52 | Eraclito | well, they salute with macros :( |
| 19:25.18 | mxs | The only surefire way to get anybody competent (and I'll have to assume the people in question who reviewed it thus far lack competency, for they are either not looking at the data they have or are lying and misleading) |
| 19:25.33 | mxs | to look at it would be to raise a higher-profile press stink |
| 19:25.38 | mxs | which I hate doing. |
| 19:27.47 | mxs | Eraclito: the EULA they have may also be unenforcable, but I don't have the spare change to spend on a bloody lawsuit over a game :> |
| 19:31.22 | sancus | it doesn't have to be enforceable though in your case |
| 19:31.37 | sancus | Since they have a legal right to ban you from their servers for any reason they please, they're private property. |
| 19:32.07 | sancus | legal recourse against banning is pretty much a dead end |
| 19:32.26 | Kirochi | you don't own your characters |
| 19:32.28 | mxs | sancus: I know, but it would be entertaining karmic pay-back if I had the money :) |
| 19:32.32 | Kirochi | they can do whatever they want with them |
| 19:32.35 | sancus | well sure |
| 19:32.37 | mxs | of course they can |
| 19:32.41 | sancus | if you have infinite money you can waste their money too |
| 19:32.45 | sancus | but that seems like a poor use of it :P |
| 19:33.07 | mxs | but they are taking my money. The question is what, exactly, the value is I am getting for that, and whether there are any implied promises |
| 19:33.26 | mxs | such as not being banned from the service without having violated the ToU |
| 19:33.33 | mxs | which would be something contestable :P |
| 19:33.35 | sancus | The day someone sues Blizzard with something that any lawyer will advise them is unwinnable |
| 19:33.39 | sancus | just to waste their money |
| 19:33.44 | sancus | will be a pretty funny day |
| 19:33.48 | mxs | yes, it will be |
| 19:33.52 | jaxdahl2 | has anyone come up with a rogue points system for evaluating armor choices for DKs? |
| 19:33.55 | mxs | time to buy a lottery ticket :> |
| 19:34.06 | jaxdahl2 | s/rogue/rough/ |
| 19:34.10 | mxs | jaxdahl2: is the class final enough yet to have theorycrafting on that ? |
| 19:34.16 | Eraclito | the only thing are the nationals laws |
| 19:34.43 | mxs | Eraclito: no, no, this would be a REAL nice moneyspender ! |
| 19:34.47 | jaxdahl2 | there are some things that _can_ be compared directly, and some that can't be |
| 19:34.49 | mxs | I could sue under international law ! |
| 19:34.50 | mxs | :P |
| 19:34.58 | Eraclito | if the europe parlament says "wow's tou/eula are uncostitutional" |
| 19:35.07 | Eraclito | blizzard is pretty much fucked |
| 19:35.09 | mxs | Eraclito: they don't need to say that |
| 19:35.14 | mxs | the courts need to say that |
| 19:35.27 | jaxdahl2 | for example, if one piece of armor has 40 str and the other has 80 ap, i know 40str=80ap, so i pick the one with 40str if all other things are equal |
| 19:35.27 | mxs | and the courts already have, clickthrough shrinkwrap-licenses are unenforcable |
| 19:35.48 | mxs | doesn't help ya one bit ;) |
| 19:36.07 | jaxdahl2 | stuff in the early zones is very similar, just a bunch of different ratings, some have +hit, some +haste, some +crit, etc |
| 19:36.18 | jaxdahl2 | i want a rough way to compare |
| 19:36.21 | mxs | jaxdahl2: yeah, but the real decent point systems are spreadsheets that take into account the final DPS/TPS/etc. output, which is dependant on other gear :) |
| 19:36.30 | mxs | true |
| 19:36.56 | jaxdahl2 | can i take a points system for a dps warrior and modify that a little, perhaps? |
| 19:37.10 | g0urra | I wonder how come the entrance of Azjol-Nerub got horribly retconned from the north to the west part of Dragonblight :S |
| 19:37.27 | mxs | Eraclito: but it's a theoretical exercise. I'm not gonna sue them. If they really cannot figure out they made a bloody mistake, the only recourse I have to play the bitter injured party and make it widely public how much they just don't care |
| 19:37.32 | jaxdahl2 | g0urra, ask yourself the same thing abouth eastern kingdoms |
| 19:37.40 | jaxdahl2 | compare some of the wc3 maps to wow |
| 19:37.45 | jaxdahl2 | waaay out of position |
| 19:37.59 | g0urra | I rather not. |
| 19:38.29 | Adys | are you guys arguing again about how things in wow arent the same location as they are in wc1, 2, 3 or books? |
| 19:38.33 | sancus | maybe that tunnel collapsed |
| 19:38.34 | Adys | Like |
| 19:38.36 | sancus | and they dug a different entrance |
| 19:38.36 | sancus | :P |
| 19:38.39 | jaxdahl2 | http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/digkonyv/szakdolg/katona/image/pc_game/004_01_warcraft_3_campaign_map.jpg |
| 19:38.42 | Adys | you realize it's totally stupid. |
| 19:39.00 | mxs | Eraclito: I know that some members of my guild had the realization of "if it can happen to him, it can happen to us." with cold shivers. |
| 19:39.12 | jaxdahl2 | http://www.blizzplanet.com/coppermine/albums/WOW/maps/world-maps/northrend.jpg |
| 19:39.45 | jaxdahl2 | crystalsong forest is now a minizone |
| 19:40.08 | g0urra | No, it's not |
| 19:40.11 | g0urra | It has its own map |
| 19:40.12 | Adys | yes it is |
| 19:40.17 | Adys | so? |
| 19:40.29 | Eraclito | i think they'll update the northrend map |
| 19:40.29 | g0urra | Since when does a subzone have its own map? |
| 19:40.36 | Adys | he doesnt say subzone |
| 19:40.37 | jaxdahl2 | it's a very tiny zone compared to other zones |
| 19:40.39 | Adys | he said a tiny zone |
| 19:40.41 | Adys | a small zone |
| 19:40.43 | Adys | a mini zone |
| 19:40.46 | Adys | a very little zone |
| 19:40.46 | g0urra | ... |
| 19:40.51 | Eraclito | so crystalsong will be a normal zone, and dalaran will be on the map |
| 19:41.05 | Adys | and lake wintergrasp has nothing to do with what it is on the map |
| 19:41.21 | Adys | wintergrasp is like less than 30% water |
| 19:41.47 | Adys | drak tharon keep has been moved a fair bit too |
| 19:42.00 | Eraclito | gundrak too |
| 19:42.16 | Adys | and same for coldarra |
| 19:42.20 | g0urra | or Gun'Drak |
| 19:42.22 | Adys | heck coldarra is probably the biggest change |
| 19:42.25 | Eraclito | coldarra is now a circle =P |
| 19:43.23 | Eraclito | and uhm icecrown citadel isn't a bit far from wintergrasp in the wc3 map? |
| 19:43.55 | Adys | Aye |
| 19:43.56 | Adys | very |
| 19:44.02 | jaxdahl2 | ok here's an old wc1 map |
| 19:44.03 | Adys | it's totally at the south now |
| 19:44.04 | jaxdahl2 | http://fantasymaps.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/azeroth-world-map-warcraft1.jpg |
| 19:44.16 | Adys | yeah its on the wiki |
| 19:44.40 | jaxdahl2 | "stonewind keep" |
| 19:44.41 | Adys | a much much lower quality version is on the wiki |
| 19:44.47 | Adys | get that one uploaded someone |
| 19:45.00 | Adys | wtf is Grand Hamlet?3 |
| 19:45.03 | Adys | -3 |
| 19:45.04 | jaxdahl2 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Stonewind_Keep |
| 19:45.13 | jaxdahl2 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Grand_Hamlet |
| 19:45.13 | Eraclito | uhm it's like a pre-retcon darkshire |
| 19:45.41 | jaxdahl2 | raven hill maybe. |
| 19:45.55 | jaxdahl2 | south of the graveyard |
| 19:46.35 | Adys | raven hill is a bit west of darkshire |
| 19:46.37 | Adys | er |
| 19:46.39 | Adys | goldshire |
| 19:46.55 | jaxdahl2 | come on adys |
| 19:46.59 | jaxdahl2 | they didn't have GPS back then |
| 19:46.59 | Adys | yeah |
| 19:47.15 | jaxdahl2 | look at 15th century maps |
| 19:47.16 | Adys | no i just saw where elwynn was positioned here and realized what i said was totally stupid |
| 19:47.33 | Adys | though |
| 19:47.44 | Adys | grand hamlet matches more eastvale's position |
| 19:47.49 | Kirochi | Mankrik's wife |
| 19:47.52 | Adys | Look at the rivers |
| 19:48.43 | Adys | I dont know, I guess Darkshire should be on it too |
| 19:48.55 | Adys | when was darkshire made anyway? |
| 19:49.33 | Eraclito | http://www.wowwiki.com/Sunnyglade |
| 19:49.51 | Adys | thats raven hill |
| 19:50.07 | Adys | kiro |
| 19:50.09 | Adys | soit utile |
| 19:50.13 | Adys | et demandes un peu |
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| 19:53.03 | Kirochi | que je demande quoi? |
| 19:53.18 | Adys | ce qu'est devenu sunnyvale et grand hamlet |
| 19:53.23 | Kirochi | ah ben je le sais |
| 19:53.31 | jaxdahl2 | ah du pew pew pepe |
| 19:53.41 | Kirochi | ça a été détruit par les orcs pendant la première guerre |
| 19:53.48 | Kirochi | gul'dan et son conseil des ombres |
| 19:53.57 | Kirochi | ont détruit toutes les villes humaines du coin |
| 19:54.07 | Kirochi | puis ils se sont installés dans Elwynn |
| 19:54.17 | Kirochi | pour préparer leur base |
| 19:54.21 | Adys | woki, et tu fais quoi de darkshire, raven hill et eastvale? |
| 19:54.31 | Kirochi | darkshire |
| 19:54.36 | Kirochi | ça a pas toujours été comme ça |
| 19:55.00 | Adys | ils ont fait comme dalaran, du pr0 teleport? |
| 19:55.08 | Kirochi | hein? |
| 19:55.21 | Adys | je deconnais |
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| 20:01.19 | Kirochi | nan mais ça |
| 20:01.25 | Kirochi | c'est des pros du retcon c'est tout |
| 20:01.37 | Kirochi | à la base (oui je sais bien que je ne parle que d'elle) |
| 20:02.36 | Kirochi | Gloria m'a dit que tout ce qui était antérieur aux sources d'infos d'y a 5 ans et qui contredisait ce qui était sorti ensuite était faux |
| 20:02.58 | Kirochi | en gros on s'intéresse qu'à ce qui est vérifié aujourd'hui ou qui n'est pas contredit |
| 20:03.10 | Kirochi | donc |
| 20:03.17 | Kirochi | une région entière pas au bon endroit ? |
| 20:03.23 | Kirochi | OSEF LOL ON NAKA LA FOUTRE ICI |
| 20:03.49 | Adys | woki. |
| 20:04.08 | Kirochi | ça fait un peu con comme nom "grand hamlet" |
| 20:04.12 | Kirochi | "grand hameau" |
| 20:04.14 | Adys | ouaip. |
| 20:04.17 | Kirochi | oué, une ville quoi |
| 20:04.27 | Kirochi | mais "ville" ça faisait encore plus con |
| 20:04.53 | Kirochi | Et "Villeville" n'en parlons pas |
| 20:09.45 | Kirochi | ah wait |
| 20:10.00 | Kirochi | elwynn was in fact much bigger by the time of W1 |
| 20:10.10 | Kirochi | and the southern part of it has become duskwood |
| 20:10.20 | Adys | yes. |
| 20:11.03 | Kirochi | the pattern is more or less respected |
| 20:11.58 | Adys | j'aimerais surtout savoir si grand hamlet c'est ravenhill, darkshire ou eastvale |
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| 20:13.26 | Kirochi | c'est clairement pas Eastvale |
| 20:13.32 | Kirochi | après pour les deux autres |
| 20:13.33 | Kirochi | ... |
| 20:13.43 | Kirochi | c'est effectivement des possibilités |
| 20:14.10 | Kirochi | je pencherais plus pour raven hill |
| 20:14.24 | Adys | sunnyglade ca fait bien raven hill |
| 20:14.28 | Adys | la deserted town etc |
| 20:14.49 | Kirkburn|afk | la deserted town? Not very french... |
| 20:15.18 | Kirochi | we're speaking "la Franglais" |
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| 20:16.22 | Kirochi | as far as I remember, Darkshire is quite old |
| 20:18.03 | Kirochi | uh |
| 20:18.04 | Kirochi | sorry |
| 20:18.11 | Kirochi | Mor'ladim says otherwise |
| 20:18.19 | Kirochi | yes, the question persists |
| 20:19.22 | Adys | why wont my shaders enable |
| 20:19.32 | Corgan | Adys |
| 20:19.35 | Corgan | can I recruit you |
| 20:19.40 | Corgan | I want a zebra |
| 20:19.50 | Adys | OLOLOLFUNI |
| 20:20.02 | Corgan | ? |
| 20:20.04 | Corgan | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/raf-splash.htm |
| 20:22.41 | Kirochi | we're not April 1st yet |
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| 20:26.47 | Kirochi | WHAT |
| 20:26.59 | Kirochi | 2. While adventuring with your linked friend/family member, you will each gain triple experience and honor. |
| 20:27.10 | Kirochi | 3. For every two levels the new player earns, the new player can grant one free level-up to a lower-level character played by the veteran player. |
| 20:27.33 | Corgan | yes |
| 20:27.37 | Corgan | plus mount :D |
| 20:27.42 | Corgan | and summoning abilities |
| 20:28.18 | Kirochi | they just could've put a better mount |
| 20:28.23 | Kirochi | zhevras look dumb |
| 20:29.39 | Kirkburn|afk | lies |
| 20:30.14 | Corgan | ^^ |
| 20:30.16 | Kirochi | s/zhevras look/Kirkburn looks/ |
| 20:30.18 | Corgan | i want one :< |
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| 20:31.47 | Ose | hullo |
| 20:37.56 | Kirochi | Kirkburn|afk, thanks to yo I just won |
| 20:38.02 | Kirochi | s/yo/you/ |
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| 20:39.05 | pcj | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/raf-splash.htm |
| 20:39.08 | pcj | i want a zhevra mount |
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| 20:48.34 | Kirochi | I want a porcupine mount |
| 20:49.52 | Daedals | I want a beta key |
| 20:51.30 | jaxdahl2 | I want a pony |
| 20:53.39 | equirapt1r | I want a zhevra mount. |
| 20:53.44 | equirapt1r | Yes, I know I'm repeating. |
| 20:54.09 | jaxdahl2 | thinks of a way to use this system to quickly level a death knight |
| 20:54.59 | equirapt1r | Get a second account. Level a character to 50. |
| 20:55.15 | Kirkburn|afk | I've almost convinced DuTempete :P |
| 20:55.40 | equirapt1r | heh |
| 20:55.54 | jaxdahl2 | 3. For every two levels the new player earns, the new player can grant one free level-up to a lower-level character played by the veteran player. |
| 20:56.03 | pcj | "Do I get quadruple, sextuple experience?" |
| 20:56.05 | pcj | *giggle* |
| 20:56.08 | pcj | they said sextuple |
| 20:56.45 | equirapt1r | Hrm. I wonder what "lower level" means, in that context. |
| 20:56.48 | jaxdahl2 | so new account levels to 70.. that's 35 free level ups.. when wotlk hits, old account makes a DK and new account gives 15 level ups to the DK ? |
| 20:57.40 | DuTempete | Kirkburn just wants me for a zevra mount :( |
| 20:57.49 | Kirkburn|afk | hehehe |
| 20:57.52 | equirapt1r | They may define "lower level" as under 40 or under 60 or something. :/ |
| 20:58.03 | jaxdahl2 | Additionally, the recruit may not grant a level to a character that is level 60 or higher. |
| 20:58.14 | jaxdahl2 | there you go the |
| 20:58.15 | jaxdahl2 | then |
| 20:58.29 | equirapt1r | Ah. |
| 20:58.40 | jaxdahl2 | wonder what effect that would have for instantly boosting a DK from 55 to 60 though |
| 20:58.55 | equirapt1r | Meh, you wanna do the starting quests. Get your talents, etc. |
| 20:59.06 | jaxdahl2 | certainly, certainly |
| 20:59.39 | Kirochi | DuTempete no, riding a zhevra mount is not the funniest thing he can do thanks to you |
| 21:00.04 | DuTempete | what on earth are you implying? |
| 21:00.19 | DuTempete | That made no sense, Kirochi |
| 21:00.21 | Kirochi | uh? |
| 21:00.30 | Kirochi | no, I meant that he could use you for more fun |
| 21:00.35 | Kirochi | like |
| 21:00.42 | Kirochi | have you powerlevel his characters |
| 21:00.43 | DuTempete | don't even |
| 21:00.48 | DuTempete | sighs |
| 21:00.49 | Kirochi | exploit you like a chinese farmer |
| 21:00.55 | g0urra | american farmer* |
| 21:01.02 | DuTempete | hehe |
| 21:01.08 | Kirochi | wut |
| 21:01.15 | DuTempete | I'm going to work now :P |
| 21:01.25 | Kirochi | so um |
| 21:01.31 | Kirochi | you start work at 22:00? |
| 21:01.37 | Kirochi | I don't wanna know what your job is |
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| 21:01.48 | WorkTempete | no, I start work at 17:30 |
| 21:01.58 | Kirochi | uh |
| 21:02.01 | Kirochi | right |
| 21:02.03 | g0urra | she's american |
| 21:02.07 | Kirochi | ah sorry |
| 21:02.14 | g0urra | I thought you'd know that by now |
| 21:02.19 | Kirochi | I got confused with someone else |
| 21:02.21 | WorkTempete | hehe |
| 21:02.31 | Kirochi | I've never spoken actually with dutempete |
| 21:02.40 | Kirochi | just "hello good bye" |
| 21:03.26 | Kirochi | I just know she's nice and she can't speak French |
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| 21:06.12 | Kirochi | work's over yet? |
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| 21:25.10 | g0urra | OMGBRANN |
| 21:25.52 | Adys | OLDMGBRANN |
| 21:26.47 | g0urra | yeah I'm sorry there's no front shot of brann on the wiki |
| 21:27.06 | Kirochi | front shot hurts |
| 21:28.47 | Kirochi | Kirkburn|afk |
| 21:28.51 | Kirochi | I need you |
| 21:28.57 | Kirochi | could you do me a favour? |
| 21:28.59 | Kirochi | small one |
| 21:29.02 | Kirochi | just two letters |
| 21:29.06 | Kirochi | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=612803241&sid=1&pageNo=4 |
| 21:29.07 | Kirochi | "up" |
| 21:29.43 | Kirkburn|afk | if you're asking me to bump, no |
| 21:29.47 | Kirochi | plz |
| 21:29.48 | Kirochi | plz plz |
| 21:29.58 | Kirochi | I'll give you hugs |
| 21:30.06 | Kirochi | I got banned |
| 21:30.07 | Kirochi | plz |
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| 21:49.19 | g0urra | omg I forgot to use chatlog ;_; |
| 21:49.24 | g0urra | kicks self |
| 21:51.52 | Kirochi | g0urra |
| 21:51.59 | Kirochi | would you bump a thread for me? |
| 21:52.44 | g0urra | weren't you the one who said you didn't care if you got banned? |
| 21:53.52 | Kirochi | ? |
| 21:54.04 | Kirochi | no I mean I wouldn't have done it myself |
| 21:54.14 | Kirochi | even if I had my account ready |
| 21:54.35 | Kirochi | it's just that I'd like a strong level 70 guy to show his interest in my work |
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| 21:58.09 | Kirochi | please ? |
| 22:00.43 | Ose | Kirochi: what is "your work"? |
| 22:00.43 | pcj | one of your images got deleted kirochi |
| 22:01.42 | Kirochi | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=612803241&sid=1&pageNo=4 |
| 22:01.45 | Kirochi | pcj? |
| 22:01.53 | pcj | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Harpy.png |
| 22:02.02 | Kirochi | huh |
| 22:02.04 | Kirochi | too bas |
| 22:02.06 | Kirochi | bad* |
| 22:02.55 | Kirochi | cause I don't have the account anymore |
| 22:03.02 | Kirochi | why did it get deleted :( |
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| 22:10.43 | pcj | idk |
| 22:10.51 | pcj | logs since wikia merge were lost |
| 22:11.04 | pcj | kirkburn any update on getting them back |
| 22:11.24 | Kirkburn|sleep | Not as yet, but it's not fotgotten |
| 22:12.29 | Kirkburn|sleep | But it says Presea? |
| 22:13.05 | Kirkburn|sleep | Are you going a little crazy pcj, or is Kirochi Presea and he hasn't told us? |
| 22:13.20 | pcj | well he used images from other users |
| 22:13.36 | pcj | others say mikk and varghedin etc |
| 22:13.39 | Kirochi | I used images from wowwiki |
| 22:13.41 | Kirochi | that's all |
| 22:13.54 | Kirkburn|sleep | oh, I see, that thread |
| 22:13.59 | Kirochi | this is what the wiki is for, isn't it? =) |
| 22:14.10 | Kirkburn|sleep | No, we aren't a hosting service |
| 22:14.25 | Kirochi | >< |
| 22:14.29 | Kirochi | this is no hosting service |
| 22:14.44 | Kirochi | I used images which were already on the wiki, but for the last one |
| 22:15.02 | Kirkburn|sleep | It's a space station! |
| 22:15.23 | Kirochi | I can't tell when you're serious and when you're not |
| 22:15.47 | Kirkburn|sleep | I'm sorry, but with a quote like "this is no hosting service" what do you expect :) |
| 22:15.59 | Kirkburn|sleep | It's still not a hosting service |
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| 22:16.14 | Kirkburn|sleep | Images not used on articles have no guarantees of sticking around |
| 22:16.22 | g0urra | thinks of all the "fan fiction" and "personal articles" on the wiki |
| 22:16.36 | g0urra | What did you say about "wowwiki is not a hosting service"? |
| 22:16.42 | Kirkburn|sleep | g0urra, image hosting service, then |
| 22:16.58 | Kirkburn|sleep | I'm solely talking about linking images from offwiki |
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| 22:18.20 | pcj | hmm |
| 22:23.19 | Kirochi | Kirkburn|sleep I know it had no guarantee |
| 22:23.25 | Kirochi | but the picture was great |
| 22:23.33 | Kirochi | I don't understand why it was taken off |
| 22:24.29 | Kirkburn|sleep | I have no idea |
| 22:24.45 | Kirkburn|sleep | There's no record of the file itself, as it was deleted pre upgrade |
| 22:25.12 | Kirochi | I'll put one myself then |
| 22:25.22 | Kirkburn|sleep | All we have is a description - "A generic harpy in flight" |
| 22:25.43 | Kirochi | twas a wmv pic |
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| 22:30.45 | Kirochi | ok done |
| 22:30.46 | Kirochi | now |
| 22:30.56 | Kirochi | apart from this minor documental issue |
| 22:31.24 | Kirochi | how did you guys like it? |
| 22:32.12 | pcj | i don't get the elekk + draenei bit |
| 22:33.07 | Kirochi | look for the word pizza on 2nd page |
| 22:33.17 | Kirochi | and read the post which contains it |
| 22:36.31 | Kirkburn|sleep | *Today's quota of insane frenchman is complete. Please try again tomorrow.* |
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| 22:40.12 | pcj | you even killed chanserv |
| 22:40.22 | pcj | you bastards |
| 22:41.38 | Kirochi | please bump it ! |
| 22:41.40 | Kirochi | please ! |
| 22:46.27 | g0urra | and get banned? no thanks |
| 22:46.43 | pcj | lol no wow-eu acct |
| 22:52.57 | Kirochi | gourra you won't get banned, why would you? |
| 22:53.05 | Kirochi | pcj I know |
| 22:53.10 | Kirochi | did you like it anyway? |
| 22:57.23 | g0urra | Kirochi I've already been banned twice, tyvm |
| 22:57.34 | Kirochi | >< |
| 22:57.38 | Kirochi | you won't get banned dude |
| 22:58.02 | Kirochi | just say "It's great guys, I've found this topic in the depths of the forum and it's worth another reading!" |
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| 23:16.28 | g0urra | I wonder why the "Into the Basin" achievemnt says "Sholozar Basin"... |
| 23:16.36 | Ackis | pcj can't quit I needed to ask him a question |
| 23:17.51 | Ackis | how do I find out why a page was deleted? =/ |
| 23:18.34 | g0urra | What page? |
| 23:19.03 | Ackis | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Guild:Team_Ice_(Illidan_US) |
| 23:19.21 | g0urra | try edit the page once |
| 23:19.24 | g0urra | and you'll see why |
| 23:19.32 | Ackis | it just says "deleted" by Pcj |
| 23:19.46 | Ackis | 10:14, August 5, 2008 Pcj (Talk | contribs) deleted "Guild:Team Ice (Illidan US)" ? (Guild stub article: content was: '{{Stub/Guild}} {{Guildbox | name = Team Ice | server = Illidan | location = US | leader = Xzar | officers = Annax, Kyne | image = | level = 70 | type = PvP | faction = Horde | accounts = 50+ | web) |
| 23:19.58 | g0urra | "Guild stub article" |
| 23:20.00 | g0urra | there's it |
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| 23:20.25 | Ackis | *confuses* |
| 23:20.30 | g0urra | Now not to be rude, but obviously if you cared about your guild page you would find out what was missing |
| 23:20.37 | Ackis | s/confuses/confused/ |
| 23:20.48 | g0urra | It links to [[WW:GUILD]] |
| 23:20.58 | g0urra | http://www.wowwiki.com/WW:GUILD |
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| 23:21.05 | g0urra | Now read http://www.wowwiki.com/WW:GUILD#Required |
| 23:21.06 | Ackis | it was just deleted today :P and I'm here trying to find out what was wrong with it :P |
| 23:21.42 | g0urra | You were missing the correct categorization |
| 23:21.54 | foxlit | oh the horrors! |
| 23:21.54 | Ackis | (and it's a former guild) I just wanted to know mainly what I did wrong when creating it... learn from mistakes otherwise I'm doomed to repeat them lol |
| 23:22.02 | foxlit | Not the missing categorization! |
| 23:23.02 | g0urra | "At least three (3) sentences in English containing useful information about the guild, such as the purpose of the guild, contact information, recruiting state, rules, and style of play." |
| 23:31.24 | foxlit | Is this really a good idea? http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Template:Dbsearchlink http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Template:Dbsearchlink/symbols |
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| 23:34.58 | pcj | its not like the guild wasn't stubbed for 30 days |
| 23:37.42 | Ackis | pcj: yah it was up for a long time, which surprised me at the deletion of it :P was just wondering what was wrong because the delete note didn't make sense to me |
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| 23:50.16 | g0urra | btw, just so you know, you can buy an unlimited amount of rare wands from the venture coin vendor at Venture Bay, and disenchant them for shards |
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