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| 03:27.46 | Jimdinventor | I am getting confused by the profession item categories. |
| 03:29.26 | pcj | why |
| 03:30.24 | Jimdinventor | Is it okay if I give you a large answer? 'Cause, me being confused, it's not just one thing |
| 03:31.24 | Jimdinventor | looking at "jewelcrafting ingredient items" for example; they're a subcategory of "ingredient items", but not a subcategory of "jewelcrafting" |
| 03:31.36 | pcj | indeed' |
| 03:32.40 | Jimdinventor | however, "jewelcrafting design items" ARE a subcategory of "jewelcrafting items" and "jewelcrafting" |
| 03:32.48 | pcj | ok |
| 03:33.36 | Jimdinventor | errr, yes, but then again "jewelcrafting items" is not a subcategory of "jewelcrafting" |
| 03:33.50 | Jimdinventor | do you see why I have trouble following this? |
| 03:34.21 | pcj | logically they should be in there |
| 03:34.26 | pcj | if they're not you should fix it |
| 03:35.22 | Jimdinventor | I'm willing. But I want to be sure I understand. :-) |
| 03:35.43 | Jimdinventor | Should all level X subcategories also be level 1 subcategories? |
| 03:36.28 | Jimdinventor | (and when you have that answered, we get to move on to the wonderful topic that is "smelting" and "mining") |
| 03:36.58 | pcj | what do you mean level x |
| 03:37.12 | pcj | design items should be a subcategory of jewelcrafting items, not jewelcrafting |
| 03:37.22 | pcj | jewelcrafting items should be a subcategory of jewelcrafting |
| 03:38.00 | Jimdinventor | okay, good. I'll make it so. |
| 03:41.15 | Pinkhair | So let it be written, so let it be done |
| 03:41.41 | Jimdinventor | amen, hallejuiah, and any combination thereof |
| 03:43.07 | pcj | kirkburn i think your sleep schedule is a bit off |
| 03:43.44 | Kirkburn|sleep | heh |
| 03:43.54 | Kirkburn|sleep | It is nearly 5am, so I'm just a little early |
| 03:44.14 | pcj | couple more days you'll be right on track again |
| 03:45.31 | Adys | just woke up |
| 03:45.45 | Adys | Kirkburn|sleep: 6:45 here! :D |
| 03:46.45 | Kirkburn|sleep | heh |
| 03:55.27 | Ragestorm | You. Are. Bollocking. Crazy. |
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| 03:58.01 | Kirkburn|sleep | :D |
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| 04:39.36 | MikeyIckey | have some SSC questions for rogues, can anyone help? |
| 04:40.05 | Jimdinventor | If it's about stealthing, perhaps my druid qualifies - but otherwise, sorry. |
| 04:40.55 | MikeyIckey | no, I'd like to know what I should do to become ready for bosses like Hydros as a rogue? |
| 04:41.31 | MikeyIckey | what i should bring? or tactic i should use |
| 04:42.22 | Jimdinventor | I might be able to answer this, though secondhand. One moment - - consulting Bosskillers. |
| 04:42.35 | MikeyIckey | cool, thanks |
| 04:44.13 | Jimdinventor | So far, the prevailing wisdom is that, if your group gathers Hydross' adds together for AOE, Blade Flurry and trinkets with ~2 minute cooldowns are your best assets |
| 04:45.04 | MikeyIckey | Thanks for the info! I'll look at boss killers further |
| 04:45.30 | Jimdinventor | You're welcome. Also, it appears that a Rogue "point of view" kill video is at .. |
| 04:45.51 | Jimdinventor | http://www.warcraftmovies.com/movieview.php?id=48615 . This was made by Three Inches of Blood. |
| 04:46.11 | Jimdinventor | Their videos are actually above average for educational value and tactical lowdowns |
| 04:46.32 | Jimdinventor | Good fortune. |
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| 04:48.51 | MikeyIckey | Thanks Jim! I'll definitely take a look |
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| 08:14.28 | NickBurrus | I don't have an account but: http://www.wowwiki.com/Vengeful_Gladiator%27s_Refuge has a mistake on it. Vengeful Gladiator's Wildhide is the balance set not the restoration set. |
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| 08:50.03 | Dotted | NickBurrus then make an account and edit it :P? |
| 08:57.26 | NickBurrus | No thanks. |
| 08:57.46 | NickBurrus | I don't want to get addicted to another wiki when I'm an administrator on Wowwiki's rival outside of wikipedia. :] |
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| 09:09.16 | Adys | ~seen maldavia |
| 09:09.18 | infobot | i haven't seen 'maldavia', Adys |
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| 09:09.28 | Adys | ~seen maldivia |
| 09:09.28 | infobot | maldivia is currently on #wowuidev #wowace. Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 10h 35m 56s, last said: 'that would be a sad sad day for tech support...'. |
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| 09:33.35 | nokmar | http://wotlkwiki.info/talent/mage.html?b=623c55f3q50520201230303005312050035d3y raid build, suggestions? |
| 09:51.06 | Fisker- | http://www.wowwiki.com/WW:IRC |
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| 10:03.23 | g0urra | good morning |
| 10:03.29 | Adys | morning gourra |
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| 10:04.52 | Adys | can someone make http://wowwiki.com/bashiok |
| 10:04.53 | Adys | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/search.html;jsessionid=596D1A5E5589DDA26C1AB1841BCAA31D.app05_06?characterId=71159215717&blizzardPoster=true&sid=1 |
| 10:05.00 | Adys | unable to login atm |
| 10:07.46 | Adys | http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/07/10/1259218&from=rss .. |
| 10:08.27 | Adys | haha wow the linked article |
| 10:08.28 | Adys | In the past, Wikipedia has been the target of occasional ânon-productive editsâ such as vandalism and inaccurate additions. |
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| 10:12.15 | g0urra | Adys: done |
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| 10:12.34 | Adys | cheers gourra |
| 10:26.21 | Kirkburn|sleep | Bashiok is awesome btw :P |
| 10:26.53 | Kirkburn|sleep | Got a hold of the press kit, so gonna check for any new pics to upload |
| 10:27.40 | Fisker- | press kit for what? |
| 10:27.47 | Kirkburn|sleep | WWI |
| 10:28.00 | Fisker- | i meant what game :P |
| 10:28.05 | Kirkburn|sleep | All three |
| 10:28.06 | Fisker- | D3, SC2 and WotLK? |
| 10:28.07 | Fisker- | ok |
| 10:46.21 | Adys | http://www.hothardware.com/News/Seagates_Latest_Desktop_HDD_Has_15TB_Capacity/ |
| 10:46.25 | Adys | why do they bother |
| 10:49.53 | Fisker- | 15 TB! |
| 10:49.54 | Fisker- | :D |
| 10:59.16 | Kirkburn|sleep | We hit 1.5 million edits :) |
| 10:59.25 | winkiller | mice |
| 10:59.29 | winkiller | *nice |
| 10:59.34 | g0urra | "LOL Okay I thought sites that charge you money were usually deleted. " is he trying to be stupid? |
| 10:59.59 | Adys | WHo? |
| 11:00.01 | winkiller | stupidpeople are everywhere |
| 11:00.06 | g0urra | Rolandius |
| 11:00.21 | Adys | Fisker-: http://www.hitachigst.com/hdd/research/recording_head/pr/PerpendicularAnimation.html |
| 11:00.21 | g0urra | about FigurePrints |
| 11:00.29 | Adys | Im going to die |
| 11:01.50 | g0urra | o_o |
| 11:02.34 | winkiller | where? |
| 11:02.53 | g0urra | Adys: I died a little bit inside from that |
| 11:02.59 | Adys | yeah me too |
| 11:03.05 | g0urra | winkiller: [[Talk:FigurePrints]] |
| 11:03.06 | Dotted | g0urra meant: www.wowwiki.com/Talk:FigurePrints |
| 11:03.10 | winkiller | ty |
| 11:03.42 | Adys | its like neo-nineties computer 2.0 animation |
| 11:05.22 | winkiller | on that page I see {{User:Kirkburn/Sig4}} - how often is that policy going to be changed now? |
| 11:05.25 | Dotted | winkiller meant: www.wowwiki.com/Template:User:Kirkburn/Sig4 |
| 11:05.41 | Adys | what policy? |
| 11:05.42 | winkiller | I think I switched from subst to template like 5 times already |
| 11:05.51 | winkiller | how to use your sig.. |
| 11:05.57 | Adys | i got template since a year |
| 11:06.03 | Adys | changed it from subst only onc |
| 11:06.06 | winkiller | I was told to change it several times |
| 11:06.15 | winkiller | load vs much html in the wiki pages... |
| 11:06.18 | Adys | you should have told the ones who said that to fuck themselves |
| 11:06.25 | Kirkburn|sleep | >_< |
| 11:06.26 | winkiller | think it was some admin :P |
| 11:06.33 | winkiller | otherwise I wouldn't have |
| 11:06.33 | Adys | more reason to do so |
| 11:07.31 | Kirkburn|sleep | Given the length of your sigs, you should either simplify them or use the template version like mine |
| 11:07.46 | winkiller | mine isn't much longer than yours |
| 11:07.57 | Kirkburn|sleep | Yes, but see the difference in the edit box |
| 11:07.58 | Adys | oh thats not really hard now is it. |
| 11:08.21 | Kirkburn|sleep | Mine is about 15 characters, yours takes 6 and a half lines |
| 11:08.30 | *** topic/#wowwiki by Adys -> Chan rules: http://wowwiki.com/WW:IRC | All UI questions: #wowuidev | CVN channel: #cvn-wikia-wowwiki | <+winkiller> * Error sanitizing #wowwiki: Too much to do. | <+winkiller> mine isn't much longer than yours |
| 11:08.34 | winkiller | what? |
| 11:08.37 | Kirkburn|sleep | (on my screen) |
| 11:08.42 | winkiller | you mean the subst'ed one? |
| 11:08.45 | Kirkburn|sleep | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Talk:FigurePrints&action=edit <-- see the code length |
| 11:08.54 | winkiller | yeah. as I said.. |
| 11:09.00 | winkiller | [13:06:10] (+winkiller) load vs much html in the wiki pages... |
| 11:09.11 | Kirkburn|sleep | As long as you don't change your signature frequently, won't be a problem |
| 11:09.17 | winkiller | I don't |
| 11:09.23 | Kirkburn|sleep | Neither do I :P |
| 11:09.27 | winkiller | changed it to non.subst now |
| 11:09.34 | Adys | says mister sig4 |
| 11:09.34 | Kirkburn|sleep | Cool |
| 11:09.36 | winkiller | and I already told Ose to fuck off lately |
| 11:10.31 | Kirkburn|sleep | Adys, yes, says Mister Sig4 |
| 11:10.37 | Adys | :P |
| 11:10.51 | Adys | i dont think i changed mine once |
| 11:10.54 | Adys | maybe before i used it |
| 11:11.02 | Kirkburn|sleep | I've had Sig4 since October |
| 11:11.20 | Kirkburn|sleep | And if I change it, I'll start using Sig5, so causing no extra load at all |
| 11:11.53 | winkiller | ok, I'll adapt this with Sig2 then |
| 11:12.23 | winkiller | and I changed it in January |
| 11:12.37 | Kirkburn|sleep | Frequently means like once or twice a week :P |
| 11:12.39 | winkiller | and had to fix image paths after the move |
| 11:13.04 | Adys | my GOD |
| 11:13.09 | Adys | the slashdot comments on the 1.5b |
| 11:13.10 | winkiller | but I'll macro this now just in case... [13:06:13] (@Adys) you should have told the ones who said that to fuck themselves |
| 11:13.26 | Kirkburn|sleep | *grouphug* |
| 11:13.28 | Adys | >> Sounds killer! I can't wait to try out ReiserFS on it. |
| 11:13.30 | Adys | >>> I hope you make backups. A corrputed 1.5 TB HDD with ReiserFS would be a bloody mess! |
| 11:13.37 | winkiller | wtf |
| 11:14.12 | Kirkburn | So would a 1 MB HDD, surely |
| 11:14.37 | Adys | those two comments made my day |
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| 11:17.05 | Adys | How about a drive that advertises longevity instead of storage density. Seriously, I'd take half that storage if there was more assurance of my data integrity. |
| 11:17.13 | Adys | well hello ssd how are you |
| 11:19.58 | Camicio | like there aren't any that do |
| 11:20.22 | Kirkburn | Morning Ose |
| 11:21.28 | Ose | not morning |
| 11:21.30 | Ose | ~uot |
| 11:21.52 | Ose | slooooooowbot... |
| 11:22.03 | Ose | infobot, uot |
| 11:25.45 | Adys | ~ugt |
| 11:25.46 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 11:25.52 | Adys | slooooooowbrain |
| 11:28.10 | Ose | ~factinfo uot |
| 11:28.10 | infobot | there's no such factoid as uot, Ose |
| 11:28.17 | Ose | who deleted it? |
| 11:30.42 | winkiller | the clowns |
| 11:47.00 | Adys | Zonk is reporting that the Warhammer Online team has decided to keep their launch deadline firm. Unfortunately, in order to do so, they are pulling quite a few things from the game. Four of the six capital cities are being removed, as well as four of the character classes (two of which were considered the primary "tanking" classes for their race). The team emphatically claims that this has nothing to do with EA. |
| 11:47.25 | Adys | i should check google reader more often to laugh |
| 11:47.36 | Olison | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:47.42 | g0urra | loooooool |
| 11:47.57 | Olison | Oh and yeah, gogo EA -.- |
| 11:49.09 | Fisker- | hah |
| 11:49.17 | Fisker- | Claiming that it has nothing to do with EA is just retarded |
| 11:49.44 | Fisker- | If it was EA that had something to do with it you could say "Well EA wants it out by then, so they'll have to cut down" |
| 11:49.54 | Fisker- | Now they're basically saying they're cutting down per their own decision |
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| 12:03.33 | Kirkburn | Fantastic photo: http://www.marcofolio.net/images/stories/fun/imagedump/imgdmp_0802_2/february_08_2_34.gif |
| 12:06.59 | Kirkburn | Further: Jacobs moved immediately to try to curtail the obvious rumor-mongering: "This has nothing to do with EA ... they had zero input in this ... They don't even know about it. It's not a discussion we would have with them." |
| 12:07.28 | Kirkburn | Leaping to conclusions is fun. |
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| 12:13.48 | Adys | Kirkburn: that pic is old! |
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| 12:29.00 | Fisker- | slaps Kirkburn around a bit with a large trout |
| 12:29.08 | Fisker- | who is leaping to conclusions? :O |
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| 13:26.43 | pcj | hmm http://www.industrialbicycles.com/v-ict.htm |
| 13:28.51 | g0urra | "C8D-7 7 Speed Coaster Upgrade (+$279.00)" |
| 13:53.57 | Ragestorm | Typical. We let anyone and everyone add spoilers from BtDP, and what's the only thing anyone's added? A two-paragraph speculation section on why Dentarg only has one head! |
| 14:04.28 | Kirkburn | Man, you can really pimp out that tricycle |
| 14:14.19 | Ragestorm | <blinks> |
| 14:15.36 | Ragestorm | Just talk to yourself, Ragestorm. |
| 14:19.59 | Adys | Yeah Ragestorm, talk to yourself! |
| 14:20.01 | Adys | :( |
| 14:20.10 | Adys | ignore the others... dont talk to the others |
| 14:20.12 | Adys | be mean! |
| 14:20.22 | Ragestorm | <raises eyebrows> |
| 14:20.49 | Ragestorm | THat was for comical effect, Adys. What you're proposing is something more like psychosis. |
| 14:21.10 | Adys | You're raising eyebrows for comical effect? |
| 14:23.19 | Ragestorm | I meant the earlier comment. |
| 14:33.14 | Kirkburn | Check out the AWB usage stats :P http://awb.kingboyk.com/ ... 63886 saves so far o_O |
| 14:35.24 | Kirkburn | lol, I also just realised that I appear several times on the wiki usage list |
| 14:35.42 | Kirkburn | fallout.wikia, spore.wikia, gearsofwar.wikia ... all me >_< |
| 14:36.33 | Fisker- | fail |
| 14:36.40 | Fisker- | atleast gearsofwar.wikia |
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| 15:24.39 | Kirkburn | g0urra, if you want a quick job - http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:Articles_needing_TBC_updates - just 5 articles, then it can be deleted :) |
| 15:25.17 | Kirkburn | (some can be converted to {{outdated}}, probably) |
| 15:25.19 | Dotted | Kirkburn meant: www.wowwiki.com/Template:outdated |
| 15:26.41 | Kirkburn | Also http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:Articles_with_external_links |
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| 15:28.29 | g0urra | what you want me to delete it? |
| 15:29.06 | Kirkburn | I think it may have outlived it's usefulness yeah |
| 15:29.16 | Kirkburn | It's from the days when we had pages full of Thottbot links |
| 15:29.25 | Kirkburn | (due to not having an item database) |
| 15:29.57 | Kirkburn | Probably these days {{wikify}} would be used anyway |
| 15:30.00 | Dotted | Kirkburn meant: www.wowwiki.com/Template:wikify |
| 15:30.15 | Dotted | hey it's ma' template |
| 15:30.43 | Kirkburn | :) |
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| 15:36.19 | Ragestorm | Beyond the Dark Portal is out! |
| 15:36.19 | Ragestorm | Read related articles at your own risk. |
| 15:42.50 | Adys | dotoffs Dotted |
| 15:42.55 | pcj | hmm we should put man-eating plants in the related articles |
| 15:43.31 | Dotted | BUT WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT ADYS??????????? |
| 15:43.40 | Adys | qed |
| 15:43.52 | Adys | dotted |
| 15:44.02 | Adys | http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/07/10/200209&from=rss |
| 15:44.05 | Dotted | qed? |
| 15:44.07 | Adys | > Sounds killer! I can't wait to try out ReiserFS on it. |
| 15:44.07 | Adys | >> I hope you make backups. A corrupted 1.5TB HDD with ReiserFS would be a bloody mess! |
| 15:44.38 | Dotted | well a non-functioning 1TB disk is not fun either :((( |
| 15:44.49 | Adys | A BLOODY MESS I SAY! |
| 15:45.00 | Dotted | then again i didnt use Reiser |
| 15:45.13 | Adys | Gee, look at all you're missing out on |
| 15:45.45 | Dotted | i dont do much in wife killing |
| 15:45.54 | Adys | you killed mine :( |
| 15:46.06 | Dotted | i said i didnt do much |
| 15:46.35 | Dotted | not that i didnt do it all ;) |
| 15:46.53 | Adys | kill Kalroth ! |
| 15:47.00 | Dotted | kills Kalroth |
| 15:47.06 | Adys | kill Kalroth again! |
| 15:47.13 | Dotted | kills Kalroth again |
| 15:47.21 | Adys | and you said you dont do much?! |
| 15:47.26 | Adys | you killed my wife THREE TIMES |
| 15:47.50 | Dotted | oh didnt know it was kalroth |
| 15:48.01 | Dotted | then i guess you are right |
| 15:48.05 | Adys | Depends how dressed (s)he is |
| 15:50.50 | Fisker- | slaps Dotted around a bit with a large trout |
| 15:51.04 | Dotted | tis |
| 15:51.37 | Fisker- | pis |
| 16:12.52 | Fisker- | slaps Fisker- around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:12.53 | Fisker- | slaps Dotted around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:13.10 | Dotted | persuades himself to eat the cyanide sandwich |
| 16:16.33 | Fisker- | good idea |
| 16:33.23 | g0urra | wow, a hunter in WC who think that [[Living Root]] is a hunter weapon |
| 16:33.23 | Dotted | g0urra meant: www.wowwiki.com/Living_Root |
| 16:33.27 | g0urra | "spirit and stamina" |
| 16:34.20 | sacarasc | hunters think that everything is for them |
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| 16:37.44 | g0urra | "im always low on mana when I solo, so i take spirit" |
| 16:37.58 | sacarasc | hah |
| 16:39.42 | Sandwichman2448 | Do we have a speculation policy or guideline? |
| 16:41.41 | Sandwichman2448 | I do not think we do. |
| 16:46.59 | g0urra | Sandwichman2448: all I found was http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Policy/Writing/Lore#Speculation |
| 16:47.14 | Sandwichman2448 | Obscure. |
| 16:47.59 | Sandwichman2448 | Im seeing a pattern. |
| 16:57.40 | Ragestorm | Now that you've brought it up, I'd like to do something about that. |
| 16:58.23 | Sandwichman2448 | I am editing it now... |
| 16:58.32 | Sandwichman2448 | Edit conflicts... |
| 17:00.03 | Ragestorm | Which one? |
| 17:00.33 | Sandwichman2448 | The one Gourra linked. It needs expanding. |
| 17:02.53 | Sandwichman2448 | Is a separate one needed? |
| 17:10.35 | foxlit | sigh |
| 17:10.41 | foxlit | people fixing categories are incompetent |
| 17:10.46 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Portal%3AInterface_customization&diff=1503551&oldid=1498600 |
| 17:15.36 | Sandwichman2448 | Ragestorm: I finished. Am I nuts? |
| 17:15.54 | Ragestorm | Which page were you editing again? |
| 17:16.06 | Sandwichman2448 | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Policy/Writing/Lore#Speculation |
| 17:16.38 | Ragestorm | No, you're not buts. |
| 17:16.41 | Ragestorm | *nuts |
| 17:16.43 | Ragestorm | gah |
| 17:16.44 | Sandwichman2448 | I felt we needed more rules to prevent M1330 and Worldtaker types from taking over. |
| 17:16.46 | g0urra | no buts. |
| 17:16.53 | Sandwichman2448 | I /have/ one. |
| 17:16.54 | Ragestorm | Or ifs |
| 17:16.57 | Ragestorm | Or ands |
| 17:17.10 | Sandwichman2448 | I do not wish to act like one. |
| 17:17.16 | Ragestorm | You're not |
| 17:17.19 | Sandwichman2448 | Ok |
| 17:17.20 | Ragestorm | Nice work |
| 17:17.28 | Sandwichman2448 | Thank you. |
| 17:18.06 | Ragestorm | Not nearly as draconian as I would go, but then I'm about as draconian as drako. |
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| 17:18.47 | Ragestorm | I'd also advocate limits. We don't want articles that are mostly speculation. |
| 17:19.09 | Sandwichman2448 | Then draconian it up. |
| 17:19.24 | Ragestorm | Only if I can delete http://www.wowwiki.com/Old_Gods_speculation |
| 17:19.50 | Sandwichman2448 | I think baggins would hurt you. |
| 17:20.03 | Ragestorm | He can try. |
| 17:20.33 | Sandwichman2448 | remembers that the only interactions are through text. |
| 17:20.55 | Ragestorm | Exactly. And I think he's above sending me a virus. |
| 17:21.09 | Sandwichman2448 | Hm. |
| 17:21.27 | foxlit | "Speculation should not build on previous speculation or assumptions, and all ideas must have factual backing." |
| 17:21.33 | Sandwichman2448 | yeah. |
| 17:21.41 | Sandwichman2448 | I g2g. |
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| 17:22.15 | Ragestorm | Anyway, I don't believe it's our job to list speculation |
| 17:23.17 | foxlit | Why not? |
| 17:24.33 | Ragestorm | Well, at least not going into extreme detail |
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| 17:25.41 | Ragestorm | We should be presenting the lore through our articles. Speculation is a part of that, but I don't think it should be happening to the extreme that it is. |
| 17:25.51 | Adys | He's right |
| 17:26.02 | Adys | wikis are about facts above everything else |
| 17:26.09 | Adys | at least encyclopedic ones |
| 17:26.34 | foxlit | sweeping statement -> attempt to limit scope -> failure |
| 17:26.54 | Ragestorm | "In Warcraft II, Dentarg is shown with two heads. In the novel Beyond the Dark Portal, he is only assumed to have one, as Khadgar cut the head from the ogre's shoulders at the conclusion of their duel of magic. BtDP 261 |
| 17:26.55 | Ragestorm | |
| 17:26.55 | Ragestorm | This article or section includes speculation, observations or opinions possibly supported by lore or by Blizzard officials. |
| 17:26.55 | Ragestorm | It should not be taken as representing official lore! |
| 17:26.55 | Ragestorm | It is possible that Dentarg may have had two heads in Beyond the Dark Portal and only lost one of the two. However, the text was clear in saying that he lost "his head", not "his heads". This may be chalked up either to error on the part of the authors, Aaron Rosenberg and Christie Golden, or a retcon of his previous appearance in the Warcraft II expansion â on which this book is based. All that is known for certain is that Dentarg was defeated and decap |
| 17:27.03 | Adys | Why did you ask such a stupid question in the first place foxlit ? |
| 17:27.07 | Adys | you should KNOW what i just said |
| 17:27.28 | Adys | we are not here to list everyone's speculation, its in the first place given in talk pages or user pages |
| 17:27.33 | Adys | or as fan fic |
| 17:28.13 | Ragestorm | We also don't need to include speculation on every contradiction |
| 17:28.21 | Ragestorm | See Dentarg's head(s) above. |
| 17:29.06 | Ragestorm | There is no real explanation for why it was retconned, or whether it was intentional or not, but it's enough to note the contradiction and then move on |
| 17:29.13 | foxlit | I don't consider the question stupid, clearly. |
| 17:29.43 | Ragestorm | I don't either, it's a valid question |
| 17:30.36 | Adys | not for an admin ? |
| 17:31.02 | Ragestorm | Different admins have different ideas. |
| 17:31.03 | Adys | hey guys what are we supposed to do when a guy spams gold selling links all over the wiki? |
| 17:31.21 | Ragestorm | Remove and ban, rinse and repeat |
| 17:31.34 | Adys | wasn't being serious rage |
| 17:31.38 | Ragestorm | Speculation is needed sometimes because of contradictions that arise, intentionally or not |
| 17:31.48 | Adys | sure speculation is needed |
| 17:31.53 | Ragestorm | But we don't need so much of it. |
| 17:31.57 | Adys | but we are not a speculation wiki |
| 17:32.10 | Adys | but a fact wiki |
| 17:32.19 | Adys | either way.. not my problem |
| 17:33.14 | Ragestorm | Thing is, we've been acting more or less under the assumption that all lore sources are more or less equal, |
| 17:33.44 | Ragestorm | But the fact remains that things are being retconned. |
| 17:34.02 | Ragestorm | and reconciliation is little more fan lore |
| 17:37.06 | Ragestorm | Then there's the fact that the speculation tags often wind up breaking the flow of an article, but that's usually defrayed with separate headings |
| 17:37.14 | Ragestorm | Any thoughts? |
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| 17:38.55 | foxlit | Footnotes, I think |
| 17:39.09 | Ragestorm | putting speculation in footnotes? |
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| 17:39.59 | foxlit | No, noting nature of conflicts in footnote. |
| 17:40.01 | foxlit | s |
| 17:40.09 | Ragestorm | Ah. Yes, I like that |
| 17:40.34 | foxlit | Can then link some speculation entry on another page if someone was that interested. |
| 17:46.17 | Ragestorm | That works. |
| 17:51.41 | Ragestorm | Not quite what I was driving at. |
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| 18:37.04 | Jimdinventor | Hey guys. Something weird has happened since yesterday with my sig image. |
| 18:38.05 | Jimdinventor | I'm wondering if it's only something on my side, or if it's real and larger than what I can see, or ...(?) |
| 18:38.17 | Jimdinventor | [[:Image:Sig-JIM.gif]] |
| 18:38.17 | Dotted | Jimdinventor meant: www.wowwiki.com/:Image:Sig-JIM.gif |
| 18:39.09 | Jimdinventor | I see "Image:Sig-JIM.gif" over a transparent background instead of the speech balloon graphic I designed. |
| 18:47.27 | g0urra | Jimdinventor: I've had that before with winkiller's sig, don't know what caused it though |
| 18:47.39 | Jimdinventor | Does it fix itself? |
| 18:48.33 | g0urra | Probably |
| 18:48.43 | Jimdinventor | Okay. Thank you. :-) |
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| 19:09.09 | Jimdinventor | Heya, DuTempete. |
| 19:09.27 | DuTempete | Hi, Jimdinventor :) |
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| 19:57.47 | Ggd07 | can someone tell me, can i pay the monthly fee on European Account with a credit card from the united states |
| 19:58.11 | Adys | probably |
| 19:58.16 | Adys | Im paying my US one with an EU card |
| 19:58.50 | Ggd07 | really? cool |
| 19:59.04 | Adys | nope I was just kidding |
| 19:59.20 | Ggd07 | lol |
| 19:59.24 | Ggd07 | well 2 bad |
| 19:59.47 | Sky2042_afk | Ggd07: yes, you can probably use a foreign /credit/ card. |
| 19:59.51 | Sky2042_afk | a game card though?... |
| 19:59.54 | Adys | sucky rhetorical questions that are rethorical suck |
| 20:00.15 | Ggd07 | relax mate |
| 20:00.18 | Ggd07 | i dont know |
| 20:00.24 | Ggd07 | they may charge me more or something |
| 20:00.27 | Adys | dont take me too seriously |
| 20:00.36 | Sky2042_afk | Ggd07: possibly. |
| 20:00.38 | Adys | and that likely depends on your bank |
| 20:00.41 | Sky2042_afk | ^ |
| 20:00.58 | Ggd07 | ye i have two US gamecards that cant activate on my EU account |
| 20:01.48 | Ggd07 | and blizz doesnt want to exchange them for me and that sux |
| 20:03.34 | Adys | US gamecards stay US |
| 20:04.05 | Fisker- | >:O Kirkburn |
| 20:04.06 | Fisker- | http://www.gamespot.com/video/944928/6193707/command--conquer-red-alert-3-official-movie-2 |
| 20:04.16 | Fisker- | sounds like some sort of Hell march 3? |
| 20:10.08 | DuTempete | Ggd07: you can use a US card on an EU account, but you also need a us address on the account, at least at first. |
| 20:10.24 | Adys | eu* |
| 20:10.46 | DuTempete | I have paid an EU account with a US card, but haven't tried changing the address. |
| 20:13.09 | Fisker- | that shouldn't be possible |
| 20:14.15 | Fisker- | ah you mean creditcard? :o |
| 20:15.21 | Ggd07 | y |
| 20:15.22 | Ggd07 | ;) |
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| 20:39.38 | Adys | "President Bush's economic stimulus plan which involved sending cheques of up to US$1,200 to every taxpayer has provided a boom to the online porn industry, according to market research.." |
| 20:39.46 | Adys | There are websites reporting that |
| 20:40.04 | Adys | Its the same website saying in another article "In the past, Wikipedia has been the target of occasional ânon-productive editsâ such as vandalism and inaccurate additions." |
| 20:40.46 | Adys | porn te ping ou quoi Bibi ? |
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| 20:56.55 | Ose | what does "porn te ping" mean? |
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| 21:18.45 | Ose | ~seen Laurly |
| 21:18.48 | infobot | laurly <n=laurly@0x50a4082e.vgnxx4.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowwiki, 31d 3h 26m 26s ago, saying: 'sigh.'. |
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| 22:23.45 | pcj | gj g0urra |
| 22:23.54 | g0urra | np |
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| 22:26.22 | Pinkhair | howdy |
| 22:30.23 | g0urra | hello Pinkhair |
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