| 00:00.57 | Ragestorm | hmm |
| 00:01.33 | Ragestorm | They're probably suffering from heatstroke from the Rift as well. |
| 00:01.39 | Bagginsww | hah hah |
| 00:01.56 | Kirochi | oh |
| 00:02.03 | Kirochi | fire naga idea anyone? |
| 00:02.12 | Bagginsww | ... kills kirochi :p |
| 00:02.27 | Bagginsww | you bette not mean the flamewakers :p |
| 00:02.49 | Kirochi | As a matter of fact I was |
| 00:03.08 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 00:03.12 | Kirochi | but my few tracks of blood in my flowing vodka could account for this abuse |
| 00:03.45 | Ragestorm | You mean that the other way around, right? |
| 00:04.05 | Kirochi | no, that was a joke |
| 00:04.25 | Kirochi | implying that I had much more vodka than blood in my veins |
| 00:04.35 | Kirochi | heh, that tells a drunk man |
| 00:04.36 | Kirochi | :p |
| 00:04.44 | Kirochi | explaining my own jokes |
| 00:05.02 | Ragestorm | Actually, it sounded like you were bleeding into your vodka |
| 00:05.26 | Kirochi | no, no, the vodka flows inside |
| 00:06.18 | Kirochi | ah, why do I bother |
| 00:06.40 | Bagginsww | I can't relate, I don't drink. sorry. |
| 00:07.15 | Kirochi | I'm just the drinking man that's reached my drinking prime |
| 00:07.32 | Bagginsww | that's right bgefore your heart goes out? |
| 00:07.46 | Bagginsww | *burns out |
| 00:07.52 | Bagginsww | or the liver? |
| 00:08.05 | Kirochi | My heart was left into a green-eyed sweetheart's hair |
| 00:08.12 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 00:08.12 | Kirochi | she won't give it back to me |
| 00:08.20 | Kirochi | YOU SUCK |
| 00:08.22 | Kirochi | FUCK |
| 00:08.24 | Kirochi | ADYS SUCKS |
| 00:08.27 | Kirochi | MIRC ROCKS |
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| 00:08.52 | Kirochi | well he actually sucks rocks |
| 00:09.25 | Kirochi | oh |
| 00:09.32 | Kirochi | sorry mIRC sucks after all |
| 00:09.40 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 00:10.11 | Kirochi | >< |
| 00:10.19 | Kirochi | the dev is a pro-palestinian guy |
| 00:12.47 | Kirochi | baggins |
| 00:12.55 | Kirochi | were you born mean? |
| 00:14.11 | Bagginsww | mean? Me? |
| 00:15.07 | Kirochi | no, the guy hiding behind your couch |
| 00:16.43 | Bagginsww | I don't hate you, if that's what you are implying. I'm not trying to be mean if I've done something to offend I apologize. |
| 00:17.02 | Kirochi | Heh |
| 00:17.07 | Kirochi | that was the right answer |
| 00:17.46 | Kirochi | I don't think you hate me, but you seemed to find a malicious delight in ruining just everything I started |
| 00:18.04 | Bagginsww | delight? |
| 00:18.12 | Bagginsww | started? |
| 00:18.26 | Kirochi | never mind |
| 00:18.36 | Kirochi | I'm not inside mine at the moment |
| 00:19.19 | Bagginsww | Well, again I've never intentionally done anythiny directed at you. If I did something that offended you I apoligize. |
| 00:19.54 | Kirochi | It's all right |
| 00:20.07 | Kirochi | I've not felt much in place at WoWwiki lately |
| 00:23.29 | Kirochi | I daresay the very few instructions I've received from Ragestorm have helped me into feeling that way |
| 00:25.19 | Bagginsww | I'm sorry, I hope you feel better. |
| 00:29.03 | Ragestorm | Right, does anybody know of any assignments he can do? |
| 00:31.51 | Bagginsww | hmm it would be handy if we had someone that knew how to make animated gifs |
| 00:32.26 | Ragestorm | What for? |
| 00:32.53 | Bagginsww | well some of our warcraft III articles could be improved with them. |
| 00:33.19 | Bagginsww | especially the ancients, showing their inground mode and their mobile mode |
| 00:33.44 | Bagginsww | one of the ancients transofrmations for example is pretty elaborate |
| 00:33.56 | Bagginsww | the one added in tft |
| 00:34.09 | Bagginsww | that was like a cross between an ancient and a mountain giant |
| 00:35.39 | Ragestorm | Worth asking, I guess. |
| 00:35.50 | Ragestorm | Rolandius might also be a choise. |
| 00:36.09 | Ragestorm | Maybe is we gave him something to do he'd be less annoying |
| 00:36.31 | Bagginsww | hmm he knows how? |
| 00:36.45 | Ragestorm | I assume so based on his sig |
| 00:37.02 | Bagginsww | I think he just took that from the Warcraft III site |
| 00:37.17 | Bagginsww | Stormstout guide |
| 00:37.18 | Ragestorm | Nvrmind, then |
| 00:37.47 | Bagginsww | the site is good it has most of hte animated gifs for units, just not for buildings |
| 00:39.17 | Ragestorm | Any lore issue that needs minor maintenance? |
| 00:39.27 | Ragestorm | besides the obvious |
| 00:40.02 | Bagginsww | I just hope we get a Varian artwork in his kingly garb... I'm tired of having conan in the infobox... |
| 00:40.13 | Ragestorm | Amen to that. |
| 00:40.19 | Bagginsww | also I don't now why we have the simonson artwork in their |
| 00:40.28 | Ragestorm | ALthough we could use his screenie |
| 00:40.31 | Bagginsww | the samweise is more detailed |
| 00:40.34 | Ragestorm | But you have that psychosis |
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| 00:40.54 | Bagginsww | I'm going to go look at the comic covers again |
| 00:41.02 | Bagginsww | see if there is a better samwise image |
| 00:41.21 | pcj | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2152972/Internet-addiction-is-a-%27clinical-disorder%27.html |
| 00:45.43 | Bagginsww | http://www.sonsofthestorm.com/viewer.php?artist=samwise&cat=warcraft&art=99 erm that's even worse as far as conan issues :p |
| 01:08.26 | Bagginsww | ok next stop |
| 01:08.28 | Bagginsww | *step |
| 01:08.40 | Bagginsww | to find a good image of the tcg Highlord bolvar |
| 01:08.50 | Bagginsww | its very well done, good pose and action packed |
| 01:08.58 | Bagginsww | looks like he's fighting dragons in BRS |
| 01:09.03 | Bagginsww | dragonspawn |
| 01:11.07 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/08/12/mysterious-mysteries-highlord-bolvar-fordragon-cuts-off-his-own/ |
| 01:11.08 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 01:15.05 | Bagginsww | http://entertainment.upperdeck.com/ArticleImages/WoW/2008/Servants%20of%20the%20Betrayer/20080326TraitorCard2.gif and people can't tell there is something wrong with her ;) :p |
| 01:16.10 | Ragestorm | Great image of her, though |
| 01:17.03 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 01:17.19 | Bagginsww | why can't blizzard keep a site of just the artwork |
| 01:17.22 | Bagginsww | I'd buy abook |
| 01:17.40 | Bagginsww | I want the original unedited artwork |
| 01:18.09 | Bagginsww | from what I can tell a good portion gets cropped in the cards |
| 01:18.46 | Bagginsww | but ya the set has a nice artwork for bolvar |
| 01:19.39 | Bagginsww | sweet image upgrade for benidicutus |
| 01:20.20 | Bagginsww | and it doesnt look like his ingame counterpart very much, better facial features |
| 01:20.40 | Bagginsww | we really need to request people to make higher quality scans for the infoboxes :p |
| 01:21.39 | Bagginsww | and people need to put the artist names down |
| 01:21.48 | Bagginsww | so if its possible to track the artwork via a website |
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| 01:30.12 | Bagginsww | http://www.coolstuffinc.com/main_viewCard.php?Card_Name=Highlord%20Bolvar%20Fordragon&viewtype=World%20of%20Warcraft%20TCG%20Cards |
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| 01:54.31 | kd3 | that looks like it's in the keep |
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| 01:57.33 | Ragestorm | Bagginsww, I'm not sure quick thinking was the motivation behind Azshara's transformation. |
| 01:57.57 | Bagginsww | uh that was in the page before I edited |
| 01:58.08 | Bagginsww | I was just fixing the citation |
| 01:58.26 | Bagginsww | someone cited that bit to monster guide |
| 01:58.31 | Bagginsww | and that book said nothing of hte sort |
| 01:59.18 | Bagginsww | you can change it after I get done fixing some other citations |
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| 02:01.47 | Bagginsww | hmm, it seems they weren't naga all of a sudden the mutations took a long time. |
| 02:03.46 | Bagginsww | The |
| 02:03.46 | Bagginsww | Highborne survived this calamity, dwelling magically |
| 02:03.46 | Bagginsww | on the ocean floor. The Highborne suffered |
| 02:03.46 | Bagginsww | a terrible curse for their transgressions, and this |
| 02:03.47 | Bagginsww | mutated and intensified over the years until they |
| 02:03.47 | Bagginsww | became the dread naga. |
| 02:04.41 | Ragestorm | In the WotA account, the transformation begins seconds after Azshara makes the deal. |
| 02:04.59 | Bagginsww | well sure but how much of a mutation? |
| 02:05.20 | Bagginsww | developing the ability to breath under water would be a mutation |
| 02:05.48 | Bagginsww | but anycase we are back to WOTA account and all other accounts being different discussion :p |
| 02:06.26 | Ragestorm | "She felt her limbs twisting, curling. Her spine felt fluid, as if much of it had melted away..." |
| 02:06.48 | Bagginsww | so she changed instantly |
| 02:06.54 | Bagginsww | how about the rest? |
| 02:07.01 | Bagginsww | we already know she's more than a naga |
| 02:07.44 | Bagginsww | she personally developed god-like powers |
| 02:08.40 | Ragestorm | "Azshara shrieked as the waters overwhelmed her. In the background, she heard other cries as well... her handmaidens, the guards, and the rest of the Highbourne who still served her. |
| 02:09.44 | Ragestorm | I interpret that as they started transforming as well |
| 02:09.54 | Ragestorm | But it could be the water. |
| 02:10.15 | Ragestorm | Furthermore, Vashj was right next to her. |
| 02:10.34 | Bagginsww | interpret as you will... but I was just trying to make it work with what other sources said :p |
| 02:10.41 | Ragestorm | So something was triggered immediately |
| 02:10.42 | Bagginsww | *say |
| 02:11.01 | Bagginsww | well yes its implied in the sources something was triggered immediley |
| 02:11.09 | Bagginsww | just that the mutations have been developing over millenia |
| 02:11.16 | Ragestorm | Which makes sense |
| 02:11.40 | Bagginsww | call the inbetween naga "proto-naga" or cursed aquatic elves :p |
| 02:11.50 | Bagginsww | the latter is a term used in one of the sources :p |
| 02:12.04 | Bagginsww | no I won't create an aquatic elves article :p |
| 02:12.44 | Ragestorm | Since something immediately happened to her spine, Azshara seems to have gotten the tail or the tentacles right away. |
| 02:13.08 | Bagginsww | I believe S&L says as such too, let me check |
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| 02:17.21 | Bagginsww | not specific, doesn't discuss when she changed or how she changed, mostly the general history |
| 02:17.30 | Bagginsww | so nothing in conflict there |
| 02:19.00 | Bagginsww | btw not in her main sectin but there is a quote elswhere in the book that leaves her present fate unknown too |
| 02:20.18 | Bagginsww | I'll add that citation in a bit |
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| 02:29.00 | Ragestorm | Krikburn! |
| 02:29.08 | Ragestorm | *Kirkburn! |
| 02:30.04 | Bagginsww | krikbum? who's that? |
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| 02:35.25 | Bagginsw | so ya I"m down to 238 pounds heh |
| 02:35.43 | Bagginsw | from when I started on my diet/exercise program |
| 02:35.57 | Bagginsw | from 258 or so |
| 02:36.25 | Bagginsw | I hope I'm not losing too fast :p |
| 02:37.17 | Ragestorm | Where the hell did that come form? |
| 02:37.30 | Bagginsw | LOL |
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| 02:37.59 | Bagginsw | woah Kirkburn what's up, you keep on dropping |
| 02:39.15 | Ragestorm | Is he even there? |
| 02:39.45 | Ragestorm | It's about 3:40 AM where he is. |
| 02:40.31 | Bagginsw | hmm |
| 02:46.23 | Bagginsw | check out this line |
| 02:46.25 | Bagginsw | The naga came about because of a curse. Further |
| 02:46.25 | Bagginsw | changes in their race appeared due to residual arcane energies near their capital; these energies were left |
| 02:46.25 | Bagginsw | behind by the destroyed Well of Eternity. The arcane currents cause mutations in the naga people, and many |
| 02:46.25 | Bagginsw | naga bear signs of these mutations, which are often benefi cial. Most naga women, for instance, are born with |
| 02:46.26 | Bagginsw | four functional arms. |
| 02:47.02 | Bagginsw | that would imply initial changes were caused by the old god curse |
| 02:47.08 | Bagginsw | and that later changes were the energy |
| 02:53.01 | Ragestorm | Isn't that what I said a while ago? |
| 02:54.39 | Bagginsw | well the initial problem is that the books discuss the "curse" even the website" but never discuss the curse itself |
| 02:54.45 | Bagginsw | *who cursed |
| 02:55.48 | Bagginsw | even sources that imply the initial changes were caused by the well's call it a "curse" |
| 03:04.11 | Bagginsw | as for this severins arguement |
| 03:04.23 | Bagginsw | and the discussion me and gourra had |
| 03:04.44 | Bagginsw | it all started over how I was adding back in the information about the well energy mutations |
| 03:05.10 | Bagginsw | and apparently they had been removed by people assuming that it was only the old god's invovlvement |
| 03:06.08 | Bagginsw | severins assumption that it was RPG only information |
| 03:11.25 | Bagginsw | if severins complains again point him to the official site :p |
| 03:12.47 | Ragestorm | Υ |
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| 03:13.30 | Bagginsw | wha? |
| 03:13.34 | Ragestorm | Îθη? |
| 03:13.39 | Ragestorm | ÎÎÎÎÎΤ! |
| 03:13.44 | Bagginsw | your language changed :p |
| 03:13.49 | Ragestorm | ТÑ
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| 03:13.55 | Ragestorm | à¤à¥à¤¯à¤ |
| 03:14.09 | Bagginsw | .... |
| 03:14.28 | Ragestorm | í´íêµë |
| 03:14.45 | Ragestorm | There |
| 03:15.03 | Bagginsw | let's just say its alll greek to me :p |
| 03:15.07 | Bagginsw | or half o fit :p |
| 03:15.36 | Ragestorm | I think i went through Hangul and Nepali as well. |
| 03:15.44 | Bagginsw | lol |
| 03:16.33 | Bagginsw | for those that can't make it out what did you actually say... looks like it was still forming english words but using different script :p |
| 03:16.48 | Ragestorm | It was. |
| 03:17.01 | Ragestorm | apart from the Korean, I actually tried writing something |
| 03:17.25 | Bagginsw | The blank blank blank that I hopped into blank lblan |
| 03:18.30 | Bagginsw | that's as bad as 133+ |
| 03:21.08 | Bagginsw | so ya a trasnlation would be helpful :p |
| 03:23.42 | Fisker- | ooh |
| 03:23.44 | Fisker- | busted again |Pixel| |
| 03:25.53 | Fisker- | work tiems :( |
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| 03:32.27 | pcj | http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/06/20/america/20iran.php |
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| 03:38.57 | Bagginsw | Deathwing, formerly Neltharion the Earth-Warder, |
| 03:38.57 | Bagginsw | also known as Lord Daval Prestor |
| 03:38.59 | Bagginsw | LOL |
| 03:39.35 | Bagginsw | that's the title for his subsectionin in Dark Factions |
| 03:39.47 | Bagginsw | longest subltitle yet :[ |
| 03:40.55 | Bagginsw | another thing that amuses me is Brann knows about Katrana Prestor's idenity |
| 03:40.56 | Bagginsw | now |
| 03:41.12 | Bagginsw | and yet she's still in charge of Stormwind, :p |
| 03:41.23 | Bagginsw | guess no one believes him:p |
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| 03:47.57 | Ragestorm | Wierd |
| 03:48.17 | Ragestorm | G'night folks, don't go mad! |
| 03:48.31 | Ragestorm | Oops, too late. |
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| 03:49.18 | Bagginsw | heh heh |
| 03:49.21 | Bagginsw | gnight |
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| 04:39.13 | pcj | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Special:Whatlinkshere&target=Tanking_equipment_(two-hand) |
| 04:39.15 | pcj | shoot me now |
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| 04:41.28 | Adys | [06:40:31] <pcj> +shoot me now |
| 04:41.32 | Adys | shoots pcj |
| 04:41.39 | pcj | thank you |
| 05:39.20 | Bagginsw | hmm I wonder if we should tell Rolandius to be more detaied explaiing his edits... things like self edit, are vague :p |
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| 05:54.43 | Bagginsw | I never noticed it before |
| 05:55.12 | Bagginsw | but those maps from Lands of Conflict and the ones in World of Warcraft Manual have some slight differences |
| 05:55.38 | Bagginsw | both maps are based on the same design |
| 05:55.42 | Bagginsw | but there are variations |
| 05:55.45 | Bagginsw | in locations |
| 06:04.18 | Bagginsw | http://www.wowwiki.com/Fourth_War |
| 06:04.21 | Bagginsw | I don't like that |
| 06:04.30 | Bagginsw | I believe I'll delete it |
| 06:04.45 | Bagginsw | besides the so called cold war is implied to be the fourth war :p |
| 06:04.51 | Bagginsw | so technically it might be on going :p |
| 06:07.27 | Bagginsw | if someone finds evidence of Blizzard discussing a fourth war, then we can undelete it |
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| 07:01.56 | Bagginsw | slowwiki :p |
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| 07:20.36 | Bagginsw | I'm moving omen to ancients, all things about him fit the definition. created/blessed by elune |
| 07:20.45 | Bagginsw | fought int he war of the Ancients |
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| 07:26.01 | Bagginsw | and arkorroc has to go off the list |
| 07:26.06 | Bagginsw | he is a sea giant |
| 07:26.10 | Bagginsw | a creation of the titans |
| 07:26.18 | Bagginsw | even if he is worshiped as a diety |
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| 08:24.45 | Kalroth | Adys: No more piracy for you, haa haa! |
| 08:47.01 | Bagginsw | oh gourra I made a few more edits to naga |
| 08:47.10 | Bagginsw | fixed an improper citation |
| 08:47.25 | Bagginsw | and made the curse and the mutations mroe specific |
| 08:47.34 | Bagginsw | they are somewhat seperated issues |
| 08:49.37 | Bagginsw | and also added citations from the offiical site that say the same thing as the rpg |
| 08:49.51 | Bagginsw | including the Warcraft encyclopedia |
| 08:50.07 | Bagginsw | which was uploaded after the novels came out |
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| 09:51.07 | Adys | Kalroth: ? |
| 09:51.24 | Kalroth | http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/article4165519.ece |
| 09:52.51 | g0urra | lool |
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| 10:11.43 | Adys | hahahahaa |
| 10:11.45 | Adys | The law has strong backing from Mr Sarkozy, who has taken a close interest in artistsâ rights since marrying Carla Bruni, a model and folk singer |
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| 10:14.08 | amro | I forgot they got married, it happened so quickly |
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| 10:15.13 | g0urra | it's a conspiracy! |
| 10:17.17 | amro | sometimes it's nice to live in a country that doesn't respect foreign copyright laws |
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| 10:29.06 | winkiller | sweden? :P |
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| 10:48.36 | Kalroth | I'm happy I live in a country where the majority acknowledges the darwin theory |
| 10:51.32 | Kirkburn | Morning. |
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| 10:53.57 | amro | morning Kirkburn |
| 10:54.40 | Kirkburn | I don't know why I'm getting more disconnects recently - not even using BitTorrent |
| 10:54.52 | Kirkburn | Might be housemates though |
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| 12:26.06 | Bagginsw | I know Ragestorm isn't oging to like it |
| 12:26.27 | Bagginsw | http://www.wowwiki.com/Elemental_spirit |
| 12:26.43 | Bagginsw | he was under the impression that elemental spirits and elementals are seperate species |
| 12:27.11 | Bagginsw | but the rpg dark factions not only combined the two factions |
| 12:27.24 | Bagginsw | it created more elemental spirit philosophies |
| 12:27.26 | Kirkburn | As long as you can cite it for him, he'll have to cope :) |
| 12:27.50 | Bagginsw | I hope so |
| 12:29.17 | Bagginsw | he removed other "nature spirits" I had put up earlier from an interpretation that htey were just subcategories of the orc spirits :p |
| 12:29.57 | Bagginsw | but then again they didn't specifically say "elemental spirit", just "the spirit of rivers" |
| 12:30.06 | Bagginsw | or similar |
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| 12:59.19 | pcj | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7116639730&pageNo=1&sid=1#5 |
| 12:59.24 | pcj | whoa whoa whoa, there's an alpha |
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| 13:07.50 | Kirkburn | pcj, ZOMG |
| 13:08.08 | foxlit | Quick, kick hortus from the alpha for violating NDA! |
| 13:09.34 | Ragestorm | It |
| 13:09.48 | Ragestorm | 's no good, I'm going to have to kill Rolandius |
| 13:09.58 | pcj | Be gentle |
| 13:12.06 | Ragestorm | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Eredar2.jpg |
| 13:12.17 | Ragestorm | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Eredar2.jpg |
| 13:12.26 | Ragestorm | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Archimonde.jpg |
| 13:12.36 | Ragestorm | Notice anything different? |
| 13:13.00 | Kirkburn | The second one is better quality ;) |
| 13:13.11 | pcj | A frame |
| 13:13.43 | Kirkburn | Good question as to whether it's actually Archimonde though |
| 13:13.47 | Ragestorm | And THIS: http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Magtheridon_big.jpg |
| 13:13.51 | Ragestorm | Is MANNOROTH. |
| 13:14.25 | foxlit | Do you tell by the markings on the tusks? |
| 13:14.46 | Ragestorm | No, I tell by the fact that Magtheridon has never been in a cinematic |
| 13:15.03 | Kirkburn | Ah, they did create a high quality version of him though I think |
| 13:15.06 | foxlit | so who cares? :) |
| 13:15.06 | Ragestorm | Plus their skins are different colors |
| 13:16.04 | Kirkburn | Ah, you're correct, I was indeed thinking of the Mannoroth version |
| 13:16.12 | foxlit | The only really convincing argument you could apply is showing where the original picture came from, with a neat "Mannoroth" label underneath :) |
| 13:16.40 | Ragestorm | I'll be back in a minute, I'm off to check the upload log, |
| 13:16.53 | pcj | OK |
| 13:17.35 | foxlit | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/insider/12/magtheridon.xml |
| 13:17.54 | Kirkburn | Freakin' image reuse |
| 13:17.56 | foxlit | Is the source of that image |
| 13:18.11 | pcj | It's definitely mannoroth |
| 13:18.32 | Kirkburn | It is, indeed, even if Blizz reuse it :P |
| 13:18.44 | Ragestorm | I've checked Art of Warcraft, that's the Destructor. |
| 13:19.20 | Kirkburn | For the Archimonde one, not sure about what to do with that |
| 13:19.31 | Kirkburn | It's similar, but not identical to his clothing |
| 13:19.55 | Ragestorm | Well, we don't need two |
| 13:20.20 | Ragestorm | In Art of Warcraft, it is in Archimonde's section |
| 13:20.44 | Ragestorm | with some other concept art |
| 13:20.54 | Ragestorm | It's not labelled |
| 13:20.55 | Kirkburn | Frame or no frame, that is the question |
| 13:21.12 | Ragestorm | I like the frame. |
| 13:21.32 | Ragestorm | But since we're using it as an infobox pic, it's a moot point |
| 13:22.36 | Ragestorm | Fortunately, most of his uploads have been linked. |
| 13:22.47 | Ragestorm | Some of them I'm certain are unneeded |
| 13:22.56 | Bagginsw | ragestorm I cleaned up the Eternals |
| 13:23.17 | Bagginsw | I curtailed rolandius attempt to add anything remotely called a god :p |
| 13:23.24 | Ragestorm | Yes, I was going to wait until I'd had a drink before I investigated |
| 13:23.47 | Ragestorm | I also notice you worked on Elemental Spirit a bit |
| 13:23.49 | Bagginsw | well pretty much anything fro OUtland had to go |
| 13:24.17 | Bagginsw | because the original article was specific to Azeroth, they had to have at leased influenced Azeroth's history or been believed in Azeroth |
| 13:24.25 | Bagginsw | *least |
| 13:28.18 | Bagginsw | still working |
| 13:28.51 | Ragestorm | Kirkburn, pcj, re the images, I'm willing to bet that the "Archimonde concept" is labeled eredar or something on the blizz website |
| 13:29.40 | pcj | how much are you going to bet |
| 13:30.04 | Bagginsw | and ya ragestorm I had to split up the elemental spirits by culture |
| 13:30.18 | Bagginsw | because it wasn't proper to toss them all under one category |
| 13:30.24 | Bagginsw | and each culture has a different view |
| 13:30.33 | Ragestorm | Bagginsw. |
| 13:30.39 | Bagginsw | and its not my fault |
| 13:30.55 | Ragestorm | The Five spirits are NOT an orcish cultural view. |
| 13:31.05 | Bagginsw | it may be shared by others |
| 13:31.09 | Bagginsw | but there are differences |
| 13:31.11 | Ragestorm | If they were only an orcish cultural view |
| 13:31.13 | Bagginsw | and I'm adding the quote |
| 13:31.18 | Bagginsw | *s |
| 13:31.22 | Ragestorm | How could Nobundo have talked to Water. |
| 13:31.51 | Bagginsw | for the same reason that twilight's hammer can talk to their elemental spirits ;p |
| 13:32.02 | Bagginsw | again that's not my "interpretation" |
| 13:32.23 | Bagginsw | so ya your question are there different groups |
| 13:32.25 | Bagginsw | yes |
| 13:32.48 | Bagginsw | orcs and tauren have access to more kindly ones, but not all elemental spirits are peaceful |
| 13:33.17 | Ragestorm | Have you even READ Lord of the Clans, Rise of the Horde, and Unbroken? |
| 13:33.31 | Bagginsw | rise of the Horde, and parts of Lord of the Clans |
| 13:33.44 | Ragestorm | Because I'm afraid at this moment, I almost believe those accusations of RPG bias. |
| 13:33.54 | Bagginsw | gg |
| 13:34.04 | Bagginsw | kirkburn I told you so... |
| 13:34.15 | Kirkburn | is staying out it |
| 13:34.17 | Bagginsw | I've been citing all the sources... |
| 13:34.23 | Bagginsw | including those novels |
| 13:34.33 | Bagginsw | which btw were individuals speaking to certain spirits |
| 13:34.47 | Bagginsw | and I've listed those spirits |
| 13:35.01 | Bagginsw | and yes more than one person and group believe in those spirits |
| 13:35.27 | Ragestorm | Nice work on Eternals, btw. |
| 13:35.31 | Bagginsw | Pandaren access a different set |
| 13:35.44 | Bagginsw | and twilight's hammer another :p |
| 13:35.49 | Bagginsw | thanks |
| 13:37.27 | Bagginsw | as it was no one had cited anything on that page |
| 13:37.38 | Bagginsw | and even had the lord of hte clans spirits names wrong |
| 13:37.44 | Bagginsw | I've corrected that |
| 13:37.56 | Bagginsw | allthough it needs more citations |
| 13:39.12 | Ragestorm | Given that we both know it would take a major cataclysm or a generous gift to get me to buy the RPG books, please quote me the relevant passage |
| 13:39.44 | Bagginsw | which one? |
| 13:39.52 | Ragestorm | Because the novels are extremely clear that Earth, Fire, Air, Water and Wilds are the spirits of shamanism |
| 13:40.06 | Ragestorm | The one on Pandaran spirits |
| 13:40.12 | Bagginsw | the quotes are in the page |
| 13:40.17 | Bagginsw | already :p |
| 13:40.52 | Ragestorm | I see no quotation marks |
| 13:41.26 | Ragestorm | And that passage doesn't refer to shamanism |
| 13:41.35 | Bagginsw | well I changed a few words |
| 13:41.40 | Ragestorm | Rather, that Paraphrase |
| 13:41.49 | Bagginsw | it calls them "elemental spirits" |
| 13:41.53 | Bagginsw | which is the name of the topic |
| 13:42.23 | Kirkburn | Man, I've gotta stop coming across vlad all over the web, it's freaking me out |
| 13:43.06 | Kirkburn | This time it's a comment on a blog about Firefox's font support |
| 13:43.08 | Bagginsw | and geomancy is the name for the pandaren shamanism, :p but yes its different |
| 13:44.14 | Ragestorm | Right. In that case, we are either rephrasing the five element section or moving them to their own article |
| 13:44.33 | Ragestorm | Because the article was written with the intention of the five. |
| 13:44.55 | Bagginsw | go ahead and rephrase |
| 13:45.02 | Bagginsw | I'm slowly working on it myself :p |
| 13:46.22 | Bagginsw | when you asked I went back and did a search for all instances of "elemental spirits" and that's when I discovered refrences to the twilight's hammers and pandarnes |
| 13:47.13 | Ragestorm | The term elemental spirits was never actually used in reference to them, I don't think |
| 13:47.23 | Ragestorm | It's a descriptive term, not a title. |
| 13:48.19 | Bagginsw | elemental spirits never appeared in Lord of the Clans as a term |
| 13:48.25 | Bagginsw | I did a book search |
| 13:48.32 | Bagginsw | spirits of the wilds |
| 13:48.35 | Bagginsw | was the term |
| 13:48.42 | Bagginsw | I've added that in the article btw |
| 13:49.31 | Bagginsw | now to do a sarch through rise of the horde |
| 13:50.01 | Bagginsw | doesn't appear in rise of the horde either |
| 13:50.17 | Bagginsw | I think that term first appeared on TBC website |
| 13:50.33 | Bagginsw | for the draenei backstory |
| 13:51.06 | Ragestorm | No, the Spirit of the Wilds is the fifth one alone. |
| 13:51.25 | Bagginsw | dude |
| 13:51.31 | Bagginsw | I gave the quote :p |
| 13:51.40 | Bagginsw | spirits of the wilds and Spirit of the Wild |
| 13:51.42 | Bagginsw | are two different things |
| 13:51.56 | Bagginsw | you can check those page numbers |
| 13:52.26 | Bagginsw | and just did a search in rise of the horde doesn't seem to give the spirits names by name. just stalks abou thow the "spirits left them" |
| 13:52.54 | Bagginsw | then again google booksearch isn't necessarily reliable unless I have an exact spelling |
| 13:52.57 | Ragestorm | The spirits don't seem to figure there much. |
| 13:53.13 | Ragestorm | The ancestors are more an issue there. |
| 13:53.14 | Bagginsw | ok found one reference |
| 13:53.16 | Bagginsw | ya |
| 13:53.21 | Bagginsw | lots of ancestor spirits |
| 13:53.35 | Bagginsw | the one line |
| 13:53.39 | Bagginsw | page 34 |
| 13:53.46 | Bagginsw | spirits of the elements |
| 13:54.03 | Bagginsw | earth, air, fire, water, and the Spirit of the Wilds |
| 13:54.23 | Bagginsw | then it mostly just calls them "the elements" |
| 13:54.27 | Bagginsw | through the rest of the book |
| 13:54.38 | Ragestorm | You've gotta stop taking figurative writing as honest-to-god titles. |
| 13:54.52 | Bagginsw | whay? |
| 13:55.11 | Bagginsw | I was just checking for you |
| 13:55.26 | Ragestorm | You're right on RotH |
| 13:55.48 | Ragestorm | I'm talking about LotC 106 |
| 13:56.21 | Bagginsw | lord of the clans doesn't call them anything but the Spirits |
| 13:56.30 | Bagginsw | spirits of the wilds, or elements |
| 13:56.44 | Ragestorm | "The orcish spirits of the wild work in harmony with the magic of wind, water, sky, and land.LotC 105, 106" |
| 13:56.49 | Ragestorm | That's from the wiki. |
| 13:57.07 | Bagginsw | http://books.google.com/books?id=PzrS8zYPXnsC&printsec=frontcover&dq=lord+of+the+clans&sig=DPWtJuKtLA0ins0vIXeiKKCjf64 |
| 13:57.36 | Bagginsw | you can do a nice search for spirit, spirits, element, elements, etc |
| 13:57.46 | Ragestorm | I'm fine, I'm holding the actual book. |
| 13:58.04 | pcj | Yay http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Server_requests#Possible_and_probable_bugs |
| 13:58.37 | Ragestorm | Actually, complaint withdrawn, sorry. |
| 13:58.46 | Bagginsw | well its easier for you to do it that it that way :p |
| 13:58.51 | Bagginsw | than search the entire book page by page |
| 13:58.53 | Bagginsw | I could do that too :p |
| 13:58.58 | Bagginsw | but it would take me all night LOL |
| 13:59.15 | Ragestorm | It's still not Orc-specific. |
| 13:59.20 | Bagginsw | although I'm aready up all night |
| 13:59.25 | Bagginsw | LOL |
| 13:59.27 | Bagginsw | :p |
| 13:59.39 | Kirkburn | pcj o_O |
| 13:59.56 | Bagginsw | well let's say it isn't all races specific :p |
| 14:00.11 | Bagginsw | yes I know others believe it |
| 14:00.19 | Bagginsw | but I was planning on going section by section |
| 14:00.22 | Bagginsw | by culture |
| 14:00.32 | Kirkburn | pcj, I remember seeing a similar bug with Baggins' signature at one point, where it would output raw code |
| 14:00.42 | pcj | nice |
| 14:00.51 | Kirkburn | I'll bring it up |
| 14:02.29 | Fisker- | beep beep i'm a jeep |
| 14:02.48 | Kirkburn | parp parp I made a ... uh yeah |
| 14:03.20 | pcj | !jobqueue |
| 14:03.35 | Dotted | The WoWWiki job queue length is currently 10119 |
| 14:03.37 | Ragestorm | Bagginsw: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/story/unbroken/index.xml |
| 14:03.51 | Ragestorm | It's not a question of belief. |
| 14:03.52 | Bagginsw | Ya I've skimmed through that once |
| 14:04.13 | foxlit | "The current job queue length is 115" |
| 14:04.18 | foxlit | Dotted is defective. |
| 14:04.20 | Ragestorm | You should read it through |
| 14:04.33 | Ragestorm | I find it much more engrossing then the RPG and Knaak combined. |
| 14:04.37 | Bagginsw | I've read most of it |
| 14:04.49 | Bagginsw | but I really ned to print out a copy to make it easier to read |
| 14:05.12 | Bagginsw | btw, someone claimed velen is blue in the story? |
| 14:05.15 | Bagginsw | I couldn't find it |
| 14:05.37 | Kirkburn | I need to read that story too |
| 14:05.52 | Kirkburn | Same annoyance with screen reading here |
| 14:06.46 | Ragestorm | It's great |
| 14:07.11 | Bagginsw | but ya by belief I include communing with the spirits utilizing the spirits too |
| 14:07.50 | Ragestorm | Therein lies the problem: this isn't the Forgotten Realms, gods aren't defined by belief |
| 14:08.02 | Ragestorm | The elements exist |
| 14:08.11 | Ragestorm | They have their own will |
| 14:08.17 | Ragestorm | their own personalities |
| 14:08.19 | Bagginsw | I've been saying they exist... |
| 14:08.27 | foxlit | things Ragestorm needs to read Small Gods |
| 14:08.32 | foxlit | g=k |
| 14:08.38 | Ragestorm | That was a good one. |
| 14:08.49 | Ragestorm | I especially liked the end of Vorbis's plot line |
| 14:08.57 | Ragestorm | But this isn't Discworld, either. |
| 14:09.00 | Fisker- | itsa you foxlit |
| 14:09.25 | foxlit | THIS... IS... Fisker-? |
| 14:10.00 | Bagginsw | I also believe God exists... but I won't force that on you. |
| 14:10.20 | Ragestorm | How about "Elements (shamanism)" or somesuch? |
| 14:10.44 | Bagginsw | except that oh do you remember that twilight's hammer have shamans? |
| 14:11.15 | Bagginsw | ahve you ever wondered why their are evil shamans in outland? |
| 14:11.40 | Bagginsw | and I haven't gotten around to it but there is info on pandarne shamans too |
| 14:12.04 | foxlit | there are evil shamans in outlands? |
| 14:12.04 | Bagginsw | and did you miss the quilboar bit? |
| 14:12.08 | Bagginsw | Outland |
| 14:12.12 | Ragestorm | The only arguement for that is that they're not real shamans |
| 14:12.12 | foxlit | outlands! |
| 14:12.18 | foxlit | Just for you, too |
| 14:12.21 | Bagginsw | did I make it plural :p |
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| 14:12.44 | Fisker- | doesn't the fire festival start soon? |
| 14:12.52 | Bagginsw | of course let me guess you ignore what's his name? |
| 14:12.59 | Bagginsw | the last shaman of the Horde |
| 14:13.16 | Ragestorm | Drek'Thar? |
| 14:13.26 | Bagginsw | he's not hte last shaman :p |
| 14:13.33 | Bagginsw | I mean the only one that never became a warlock |
| 14:13.53 | Bagginsw | form day of the dragon, and Tides of Darkjness |
| 14:13.58 | Bagginsw | *Darkness |
| 14:14.07 | Bagginsw | hopefully not mixing them up, Nekros? |
| 14:14.08 | Ragestorm | Zuluhed? |
| 14:14.14 | Bagginsw | ok Zuluhed |
| 14:14.15 | Bagginsw | I think |
| 14:14.26 | Ragestorm | Nekros is specifically mentioned as Warlock. |
| 14:14.36 | Bagginsw | ya Nekros is I was mixing them up |
| 14:14.39 | Bagginsw | :p |
| 14:14.55 | Ragestorm | So did the W3Man. :) |
| 14:15.12 | Bagginsw | Nekros needed Zulahed because he was specifically a warlock |
| 14:15.27 | Bagginsw | and couldn't cast shamanistic spells himself |
| 14:15.43 | Bagginsw | Zulahed was the last of the shamans |
| 14:16.12 | Bagginsw | and thus could use that power on the Demon Soul |
| 14:16.25 | Ragestorm | ? |
| 14:16.53 | Ragestorm | Zuluhed needed Nekros as a warlock to channel the Demon Soul to control Alextrasza |
| 14:17.07 | Bagginsw | hmm. |
| 14:17.21 | Bagginsw | lol then I"m totall confused :p |
| 14:17.29 | Ragestorm | Zuluhed, like Ner'zhul is referred to as an "elder shaman" |
| 14:17.31 | Bagginsw | been a while since I read that bit :p |
| 14:17.47 | Bagginsw | Tides of Darkness specifcally calls him last of the Shaman too |
| 14:17.49 | Ragestorm | Zuluhed led the Dragonmaw clan |
| 14:17.59 | Dotted | outlands |
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| 14:18.12 | Dotted | outlands |
| 14:18.14 | Ragestorm | Nekros was an associated warlock |
| 14:18.20 | Ragestorm | Dotted, it's a ban next. |
| 14:18.23 | Dotted | outlands |
| 14:18.31 | Dotted | outlands |
| 14:18.35 | Ragestorm | Rodent. |
| 14:19.06 | Dotted | pcj |
| 14:19.12 | Dotted | !jobqueue plx |
| 14:19.16 | pcj | what |
| 14:19.18 | pcj | !jobqueue |
| 14:19.19 | Dotted | The WoWWiki job queue length is currently 116 |
| 14:19.54 | Dotted | aint that just fast |
| 14:20.02 | Ragestorm | Bagginsw, can I leave it to you to deal with Rolandius on Talk:Eternal? |
| 14:20.26 | Bagginsw | the problem with him he takes things out of context |
| 14:20.34 | Bagginsw | if one thing fits his view, he'll attack |
| 14:20.36 | Bagginsw | and ignore the rest |
| 14:20.44 | Bagginsw | actually I just wanted to ban him for removing Xavius |
| 14:21.10 | Kirkburn | Whee, my first AWB edit |
| 14:21.12 | Bagginsw | I'v posted alot in there... |
| 14:21.46 | Ragestorm | I'm not convinced it's been banworthy. |
| 14:21.54 | Bagginsw | neither was I |
| 14:21.59 | Bagginsw | anyways |
| 14:21.59 | Ragestorm | But if you feel that way, I certainly won't protest |
| 14:22.10 | Dotted | pcj again |
| 14:22.15 | pcj | !jobqueue |
| 14:22.17 | Dotted | The WoWWiki job queue length is currently 117 |
| 14:22.20 | Dotted | sweet |
| 14:22.20 | pcj | !jobqueue |
| 14:22.20 | Dotted | The WoWWiki job queue length is currently 117 |
| 14:22.23 | Bagginsw | uh the names of those deity elementals in Outland? |
| 14:22.31 | Dotted | *Outlands |
| 14:22.34 | Bagginsw | the ones that hte game calls spirits |
| 14:23.03 | Bagginsw | frankly you'd think we would have put those names in an article on elemental spirits... |
| 14:23.06 | Ragestorm | He's right baggins, someone did write demigod: you! |
| 14:23.12 | Ragestorm | :D |
| 14:23.14 | Bagginsw | hah hah |
| 14:23.21 | Bagginsw | well that's what hte book says |
| 14:23.34 | Bagginsw | but its not saying eveyr demigod in every universe :p |
| 14:23.38 | Ragestorm | Which deity elementals? |
| 14:23.48 | Bagginsw | the ones in Nagrand |
| 14:24.04 | Bagginsw | that you complete quests for |
| 14:24.18 | Bagginsw | clear out corrupted elementals |
| 14:24.24 | Ragestorm | O. |
| 14:24.32 | Bagginsw | ever do the quests? |
| 14:25.20 | Ragestorm | No. |
| 14:25.55 | Bagginsw | http://www.wowwiki.com/Throne_of_the_Elements |
| 14:26.15 | Bagginsw | mind you it doesn't really fit th enovel version exactly |
| 14:26.44 | Bagginsw | but there is that Earthen Ring connection there... |
| 14:27.56 | Bagginsw | but ya they are called spirits |
| 14:27.59 | Bagginsw | and elements |
| 14:30.44 | Bagginsw | http://www.wowwiki.com/Quest:The_Tortured_Earth |
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| 14:35.54 | Ragestorm | Well, they're not the same. The Elements don't have formm |
| 14:35.58 | Ragestorm | *form |
| 14:36.20 | Ragestorm | Or names |
| 14:36.41 | Bagginsw | yet htey are called elemental spirts in game in a few quest |
| 14:36.42 | Ragestorm | In Unbroken, Nobunda calls the Spirit of Water "Water" |
| 14:37.01 | Ragestorm | We're talking about different ones |
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| 14:37.20 | Bagginsw | well we are back to the original point on why I was expanding the article :) |
| 14:37.59 | Bagginsw | http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/quest.html?source=live;wquest=10458 |
| 14:38.02 | Ragestorm | Err... I don't think that's where we are, but in the six contexts I've been given, I don't disagree with the expansion anymore. |
| 14:38.07 | Bagginsw | on the other hand Blizzard might intend them to be the same :p |
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| 14:38.32 | Ragestorm | I doubt it. |
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| 14:42.35 | Ragestorm | Must've scared him off. |
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| 14:44.32 | Ragestorm | Connection troubles? |
| 14:44.35 | Bagginsww | you used to disagree with the expansion? |
| 14:44.41 | Bagginsww | my pc decdied to reset |
| 14:44.51 | Bagginsww | after a update |
| 14:45.06 | Bagginsww | no crash or anythiing |
| 14:45.38 | Bagginsww | so anyways yes it seems someone needs to pull together all examples of spirits ingame |
| 14:45.47 | Bagginsww | and the lore behind them :p |
| 14:46.05 | Ragestorm | A fine project. |
| 14:46.07 | Bagginsww | I'm pretty sure there were quests that said they wre the same spirits from the past :p |
| 14:46.19 | Ragestorm | Cite them |
| 14:46.33 | Bagginsww | ya that's what I'm saying if I could find them it would be important |
| 14:46.34 | Ragestorm | I say this knowing full well that you will. |
| 14:47.07 | Ragestorm | Point of note: Unbroken uses the words as proper nouns |
| 14:47.18 | Ragestorm | Water, Fire, Wind, Earth |
| 14:47.23 | Ragestorm | capitalized |
| 14:47.39 | Bagginsww | same as LotC |
| 14:47.56 | Bagginsww | which uses Spirt of Element, or just the Element |
| 14:48.17 | Ragestorm | LotC always says "Spirit of..." |
| 14:48.25 | Ragestorm | Nobundo just says "Water." |
| 14:49.05 | Ragestorm | This is also the source that implies the Spirit of the Wilds is cosmic, while the other four are distinct for each world. |
| 14:49.46 | Bagginsww | sigh need to giv eyou a quote then |
| 14:49.58 | Bagginsww | I was just going through tem an hour ago :p |
| 14:50.27 | Bagginsww | not that it really matters much :p |
| 14:50.33 | Ragestorm | Well, you could argue that that is an orcish cultural practice. |
| 14:51.10 | Ragestorm | Blizzard sources are, in regards to draenei at least, also consistent in Wind, not Air. |
| 14:52.26 | Ragestorm | This is conflicted by the fact that Nobundo himself calls it air in-game. |
| 14:52.36 | Bagginsww | huh |
| 14:53.02 | Bagginsww | page 2221 |
| 14:53.05 | Bagginsww | 221 |
| 14:53.14 | Bagginsww | Gratitude to Earth |
| 14:53.20 | Bagginsww | that's one example |
| 14:53.30 | Bagginsww | though I agree that its usually always Spirit of |
| 14:53.53 | Bagginsww | usualy Spirit of Element, though there are a couple Spirit of the |
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| 14:55.31 | Ragestorm | Fine, how about just changing the damn thing to Orc/Draenei culture if that's the format you're insistent upon? |
| 14:56.09 | Ragestorm | I'd also argue the Earthmother point, but I don't think there's enough scholarship either way. |
| 14:58.30 | Bagginsww | would you be against "spirits of the wild" as the heading, then splitting it into orc and draenei so that any differences can be mentioned such as name and what nto |
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| 15:00.07 | Bagginsww | just going to mark it various cultures right now |
| 15:03.12 | Ragestorm | I'd agree to spirits of the wilds as heading (I don't like it much, but it's the best we've got), but I think we should list the five and put orc/draenei differences as a separate section. They don't differ on structure. |
| 15:03.40 | Ragestorm | Shame we have no info on whether Tauren shamans have the same five, though that's implied. |
| 15:04.19 | Ragestorm | I'd also like to add the speeches of Earth and Air from LotC, and the shamanic mantra from Unbroken. |
| 15:05.04 | Ragestorm | Nobundo also refers to them as simply "the elements." |
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| 15:07.38 | Bagginsww | same in lord and rise |
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| 15:09.21 | Ragestorm | Oh gods, we have a KirkBot now?! |
| 15:10.02 | Kirkburn | hehehe |
| 15:10.19 | Kirkburn | Just typo fixing |
| 15:13.06 | Bagginsww | Tauren and night elves have coexisted |
| 15:13.06 | Bagginsww | on Kalimdor for centuries, and tauren have long seen |
| 15:13.06 | Bagginsww | the Kaldorei as a mythinc race of demigods, possessed of |
| 15:13.06 | Bagginsww | great magice and steeped in natural powers. |
| 15:13.23 | Bagginsww | that's exactly why we don't want to put everything believed to be "demigods" |
| 15:13.30 | Bagginsww | in that article :p |
| 15:14.35 | Ragestorm | Yeah, Bagginsww, I'm with you on the Eternal article |
| 15:15.29 | Bagginsww | heh heh |
| 15:19.10 | Kirkburn | Wow, AWB is really quite advanced |
| 15:24.39 | pcj | !jobqueue |
| 15:24.39 | Dotted | The WoWWiki job queue length is currently 5017 |
| 15:29.33 | Ragestorm | Ha, the Furies. |
| 15:29.47 | Ragestorm | Is it sad I know their real names? |
| 15:31.27 | Ragestorm | Bagginsww, I really don't like impressions the culture headings give. |
| 15:31.46 | Bagginsww | eh well pandaren one is pandaren specific :p |
| 15:32.18 | Ragestorm | Yeah, that's explicit. |
| 15:32.45 | Ragestorm | The culture division now clashed completely with the intro of the article. |
| 15:32.49 | Bagginsww | and Earath Mother is tuaren specific |
| 15:32.54 | Ragestorm | *clashes |
| 15:32.59 | Bagginsww | the intro needs a rewrite |
| 15:33.24 | Ragestorm | I think the Earth Mother is more like Elune than the Spirits. |
| 15:33.25 | Bagginsww | honestly the article was never even updaed with any expansion information :p |
| 15:34.03 | Bagginsww | seems she's described more like the Wilds |
| 15:34.10 | Bagginsww | a little of everything |
| 15:34.25 | Bagginsww | and Elune was one of her eyes :p |
| 15:34.35 | Ragestorm | Yeah, that's because the article was written only the Golden/Unbroken spirits and didn't anticipate that you'd add every Earth, Air and Windy that remotely looked like one. |
| 15:35.13 | Bagginsww | and it can be rewritten |
| 15:35.35 | Bagginsww | even if the rpg wasn't there, it would still have issues |
| 15:35.43 | Bagginsww | with the MMO :p |
| 15:35.51 | Ragestorm | Yeah, not really. |
| 15:36.22 | Ragestorm | If I'd given it a different title, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. |
| 15:37.23 | Ragestorm | Yeah, the Earth Mother is an impersonal deity that exists in all of nature. |
| 15:37.32 | Ragestorm | She'a all five of them |
| 15:37.43 | Ragestorm | She's also the sun and the moom |
| 15:37.47 | Ragestorm | *moon |
| 15:40.05 | Ragestorm | Also, I still don't buy the Earthen Ring thing as referring to the five. |
| 15:40.32 | Bagginsww | let me add the clean up on it for now |
| 15:41.05 | Bagginsww | well Earth Ring are tied to the "spirits" in game too |
| 15:41.10 | Bagginsww | or "elemental spirits" |
| 15:41.20 | Bagginsww | and they do have quests against the twilight hammer :p |
| 15:41.31 | Bagginsww | pretty sure that info is from ingame stuff |
| 15:41.53 | Bagginsww | and all the spirits in the game are either chaotic or corrupted :p |
| 15:42.10 | Bagginsww | leave it to blizzard to turn something peaceful intoa n enemy |
| 15:42.52 | Ragestorm | Yeah, I think that one is still a bit fluid |
| 15:44.08 | Ragestorm | On a tangental note, do you think we should have a lore notice like Memory Alpha has, saying when an article is written from an outside perspective? |
| 15:44.21 | Ragestorm | This Spirits thing needs an editorial note. |
| 15:44.47 | Bagginsww | http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/quest.html?source=live;wquest=824 |
| 15:45.31 | Bagginsww | and I thought that's what we were using speculation for? |
| 15:53.21 | Ragestorm | The scope is beyond speculation. |
| 15:54.02 | Ragestorm | Anyway, I've got work, so we |
| 15:54.09 | Ragestorm | ll continue this later. |
| 15:54.15 | Ragestorm | Have a nice day. |
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| 15:58.56 | Adys | http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/06/19/1911235&from=rss |
| 15:59.10 | Adys | the comments are priceless |
| 16:05.57 | Kaso | Whenever nerds are involved with a a discussion about units, you just know 40 rods to the hogshead is going to come into it |
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| 16:36.57 | Bagginsww | kesmana put a link a reference to forlarren in the satyr section of future race ideas... |
| 16:37.08 | Bagginsww | they aren't even related :p |
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| 18:10.52 | Kirkburn | Heh, AWB wanted me to fix the Alamo article :P |
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| 18:36.32 | Kirkburn | Whee, Dark Factions has dispatched |
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| 19:21.55 | Kirkburn | I need to make some regex to kill the bloody <font> tags |
| 19:22.05 | Kirkburn | KILL! KILL! |
| 19:24.59 | foxlit | ultimately, why? |
| 19:28.13 | pcj | <font> is deprecated |
| 19:28.23 | pcj | and once HTML5 is implemented it will no longer exist |
| 19:28.53 | Kirkburn | ^ |
| 19:28.59 | Kirkburn | Also, I hate it |
| 19:29.13 | pcj | but anyway, <font[^>]*>.*?</font> will match the font tags and everything between |
| 19:29.21 | pcj | err |
| 19:29.31 | pcj | <font[^>]*?>.*?</font> |
| 19:30.02 | Kirkburn | More worried about preserving the styles |
| 19:30.32 | Kirkburn | i.e. swap all <font> to <span> |
| 19:30.55 | pcj | mmm |
| 19:31.02 | pcj | that will a complex regex |
| 19:32.55 | Kirkburn | but anyway, happy with going through the list atm |
| 19:33.04 | Kirkburn | Might try and use Special:Allpages next :P |
| 19:34.29 | pcj | Dun dun dun |
| 19:36.26 | Kirkburn | Unsure as to whether to let it "correct" • to a bullet point though - been ignoring most edits with that, since I might get shouted at |
| 19:36.30 | foxlit | You mean "never" :) |
| 19:37.19 | kd3 | hm... anyone know of any good mediawiki-mass-uploader scripts? |
| 19:37.22 | foxlit | After HTML5 becomes anything after a working draft, maybe someone will make a supporting UA to render that. |
| 19:37.46 | foxlit | No doubt maintaining code soup support, since doing anything but would be shooting self in the foot. |
| 19:38.51 | Kirkburn | kd3, http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:MultipleUpload supports up to 5 at once, which may help a little |
| 19:39.06 | kd3 | meh, already using that... but I've got a directory with something like 300 images |
| 19:41.27 | pcj | http://www.wowwiki.com/Template_talk:Correct2category |
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| 19:55.24 | Kirkburn | An entire ten minute phone call and AWB finds nothing to fix. Not bad. |
| 19:55.41 | Kirkburn | (yes, it's a good thing) |
| 19:58.44 | foxlit | I question your methods |
| 19:59.05 | foxlit | You're better off getting the current page dump and finding the few pages that are actually relevant than trying to go through every page through a web interface |
| 20:01.49 | Kirkburn | Yeah, probably |
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| 20:18.48 | Dreagar | So. who knows somethin bout localization? |
| 20:20.14 | foxlit | It starts with an L. |
| 20:20.17 | foxlit | What do I win? |
| 20:21.45 | Dreagar | a cookie. lol. |
| 20:22.22 | Dreagar | so i got this mod, it shoots waypoint info to TomTom if it's installed. and on german or spanish machines, it pts the waypoints in the wrong zones. |
| 20:22.40 | pcj | ask in #wowuidev |
| 20:23.41 | foxlit | You're doomed. |
| 20:24.06 | foxlit | Well, not really, library handle zone translation across locales, but it's all pretty boring table-based localization stuff |
| 20:24.11 | Dreagar | am i correct in thinking i need to shoot the waypoint info to TomTom as the zone in the proper localized zonelist? |
| 20:25.03 | Dreagar | i know the zone tables are different due to alphabetical stuff. so i'm thinkin i just keep a database with a list of zones and the proper index for each locale.. and spit out the index depending on locale. sound about right? |
| 20:25.41 | Dreagar | what i'm having trouble with is finding an updated zone list for each locale. :( there's one in wowwiki but it's old. :( |
| 20:25.42 | foxlit | Someone, at some level, already keeps that database |
| 20:25.49 | Dreagar | that's what i'm thinkin. lol |
| 20:25.53 | foxlit | You need to figure out how to use that. |
| 20:28.32 | Dreagar | yeah there's a list in the wiki but hasn't been updated since before BC |
| 20:29.30 | Dreagar | maybe a map addon. like cart. |
| 20:30.29 | foxlit | I'd try one of the libraries that ships with TomTOm |
| 20:30.43 | foxlit | Seeing as how TomTom already solved that problem to make itself work |
| 20:30.59 | foxlit | Which means that you can use its solution directly without needing a list of zones in your own addon |
| 20:31.07 | Dreagar | yes, good call. |
| 20:35.03 | Dreagar | hm. confused. looks like they ignore the zone name, and use number, which is what i do, but i have to translate zone name to number before it hits tomtom. so that's where i have my problem. hm |
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| 20:38.51 | SeverinAndrews | WoW, I've get here finally |
| 20:39.12 | SeverinAndrews | First time on ChatZilla ;) |
| 20:39.38 | SeverinAndrews | Hello, are you here? |
| 20:41.23 | Kyrin | Good |
| 20:42.32 | SeverinAndrews | Hey, do you know how to register nick on this server? |
| 20:43.03 | kd3 | same way on most irc networks... "/msg nickserv register password email" |
| 20:43.30 | SeverinAndrews | Yeah, just forgotten it ;) |
| 20:43.37 | SeverinAndrews | I'm not using IRC everyday |
| 20:45.37 | Fisker- | kd3 |
| 20:45.48 | Fisker- | tell the robot devil that i'ma coming |
| 20:47.03 | SeverinAndrews | So I guess nobody significant now there? |
| 20:47.20 | SeverinAndrews | Significant to WoWWiki, I mean |
| 20:50.39 | SeverinAndrews | is scared by silence |
| 20:52.35 | SeverinAndrews | Just a rhetorical question: |
| 20:52.47 | SeverinAndrews | What's the sense of sitting idle on a chat? |
| 20:53.24 | pcj | So you can do other things |
| 20:53.35 | SeverinAndrews | Then I get out of IRC :P |
| 20:53.45 | pcj | Then other people can't talk to you |
| 20:53.50 | pcj | Or alert you to something |
| 20:53.54 | pcj | Or ask you a question |
| 20:54.04 | pcj | And you can't respond whenever you want without getting back on |
| 20:54.11 | SeverinAndrews | If I'm sitting idle they can't alert me as well |
| 20:54.19 | pcj | ...yes they can |
| 20:54.20 | SeverinAndrews | Because I'm rather not even watching the lines |
| 20:54.38 | SeverinAndrews | OK, we've gone far beyond "rhetorical" ;) |
| 20:54.44 | pcj | Most clients can be configured to flash on the toolbar when your name is said |
| 20:55.10 | SeverinAndrews | ChatZilla too? |
| 20:55.14 | pcj | idk |
| 20:55.15 | pcj | idc |
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| 21:08.42 | SeverinAndrews | :D Sleeping on the keyboard? |
| 21:09.00 | Kirkburn|sleep | uh, yeah |
| 21:09.48 | SeverinAndrews | And even talking while asleep ;) |
| 21:10.35 | Kirkburn|sleep | yup :P |
| 21:10.41 | Kirkburn|sleep | I do it whilst afk too |
| 21:11.15 | SeverinAndrews | I'm not native english speaker, so... what is "afk"? |
| 21:11.24 | Kirkburn|sleep | "away from keyboard" |
| 21:11.36 | SeverinAndrews | Oh, thanks :) |
| 21:13.25 | SeverinAndrews | I would be very grateful if someone paid his attention onto [[Future zone ideas]] |
| 21:13.45 | pcj | I will watch it very intently for the next few microseconds |
| 21:15.04 | SeverinAndrews | I mean, to change it to better standards ;) |
| 21:16.12 | SeverinAndrews | Uh, I'm the only one using emoticons here? |
| 21:16.41 | pcj | no. :D :| :\ :S |
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| 21:23.24 | SeverinAndrews | Kirburn, you... have split! |
| 21:23.26 | SeverinAndrews | ;) |
| 21:25.24 | SeverinAndrews | Hello, we have two Kirkburns :) |
| 21:28.15 | Kirkburn|sleep | (got disconnected) |
| 21:28.37 | SeverinAndrews | You know, it was a bit strange for a moment ;) |
| 21:29.05 | SeverinAndrews | Eh, no talking about a lore, I'm leaving in a matter of seconds |
| 21:29.42 | SeverinAndrews | Bye |
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| 21:32.59 | pcj | wow |
| 21:33.11 | pcj | he might be worse than sandwichman |
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| 21:53.30 | Ragestorm | http://www.wowwiki.com/Illidari |
| 21:53.37 | Ragestorm | Any thoughts? |
| 21:55.04 | kd3 | I don't see anything wrong with it |
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| 22:23.45 | Ragestorm | I'm not convinced we need every loosely affiliated member listed as a leader, but as it seems to give Alikufyren that happy feeling... |
| 22:32.54 | pcj | ok |
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| 23:54.43 | Ragestorm | Bagginsww, I'm not sure that you can apply a race infobox to Elemental Spirits. |
| 23:54.58 | Bagginsww | for the language purpose |
| 23:55.01 | Bagginsww | among other things |
| 23:55.23 | Bagginsww | They speak Kalimag ingame |
| 23:55.27 | Ragestorm | "Anyone anyone who seeks to maintain the fragile balance of nature by keeping the elemental forces in check an ally" |
| 23:56.09 | Ragestorm | The ones we've been arguing about certainly don't speak Kalimag in game |
| 23:56.25 | Bagginsww | fixed :p |
| 23:56.39 | Bagginsww | they do in OUtland :p |
| 23:56.40 | Ragestorm | Apart from anything else, the ones we've ben arguing about aren't in-game |
| 23:56.53 | Bagginsww | Throne of the Elements quest lines |
| 23:57.35 | Bagginsww | The Living Fire of Incineratus, say "Reth Reth Reth" whenever you send them to burn a Lost Ones hut. |
| 23:58.03 | Ragestorm | Yeah, those aren't the same ones. |
| 23:58.22 | Bagginsww | in your opinion |
| 23:58.38 | Ragestorm | They're the same in YOUR opinion. |
| 23:58.41 | Bagginsww | to be honest you don't know what blizzard's designers are thinking behind the scenes, neither do I |
| 23:58.54 | Bagginsww | all I know is they are called spirits in outland |
| 23:59.00 | Bagginsww | or elemental spirits |
| 23:59.02 | Bagginsww | or the elements |
| 23:59.15 | Bagginsww | depending on the quest line or npc conversations |
