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| 00:17.00 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Gun%27Drak&action=history |
| 00:17.14 | Bagginsww | its pretty minor but people shouldn't be changing anything based on alpha information :p |
| 00:17.30 | Bagginsww | NDA and all that |
| 00:22.57 | Bagginsww | kirkburn does fan site worldofwra.net count as against the NDA? its a fansite righ? |
| 00:25.56 | pcj | worldofwra.net doesn't exist |
| 00:29.07 | Bagginsww | *war |
| 00:30.07 | pcj | warldofwra.net doesn't exist either |
| 00:30.12 | Kraps | whats http://wow.magelo.com/home.jspa this site? |
| 00:38.20 | g0urra | Bagginsww........ http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Zul%27Drak.JPG |
| 00:38.25 | Bagginsww | fixing it |
| 00:38.30 | Bagginsww | just nocied |
| 00:38.35 | Bagginsww | noticed |
| 00:38.48 | Bagginsww | of the two which do you prefer the close up or the previous? |
| 00:41.14 | Bagginsww | and gourra I agree with you |
| 00:41.24 | Bagginsww | shouldn't be moving things based on alpha information |
| 00:41.34 | Bagginsww | that could change |
| 00:41.46 | Bagginsww | and possibly have been typoed as it is :p |
| 00:41.52 | Bagginsww | by the unoffical reports |
| 00:41.57 | g0urra | uh huh |
| 00:42.21 | Bagginsww | Minor typos like the difference between a ' and no ' |
| 00:42.31 | Bagginsww | one report has it just Gun Drak |
| 00:42.40 | Bagginsww | the one in the article |
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| 01:17.51 | Bagginsww | does someone have an art program that will allow rotating an image less than 90 degrees? |
| 01:18.18 | pcj | yeh |
| 01:18.43 | Bagginsww | cool I'm going to upload an image of the sunwell grove before it become the well |
| 01:18.59 | Bagginsww | I just need it to be tweaked and croppped |
| 01:20.17 | pcj | ok |
| 01:21.13 | Camicio | LOL JUST TURN THE MONITOR AND TAKE A SCREENSHOT |
| 01:21.49 | Bagginsww | http://img397.imageshack.us/my.php?image=grovelb5.jpg |
| 01:22.06 | Bagginsww | camicio doesn't even know what he's talking about ;) |
| 01:23.04 | Camicio | LOL |
| 01:23.10 | Camicio | IT LOOKS ALREADY ROTATED TO ME |
| 01:23.16 | Camicio | YOU FOUND THE PROGRAM, THEN |
| 01:24.39 | Bagginsww | no |
| 01:24.46 | Bagginsww | its offcenter |
| 01:24.53 | Camicio | BECAUSE YOU ROTATED IT |
| 01:24.53 | Bagginsww | and stop yelling |
| 01:24.56 | Bagginsww | no |
| 01:24.59 | pcj | camicio, calm down |
| 01:25.00 | Bagginsww | because the scanner |
| 01:25.45 | Bagginsww | when your done you can upload it and add it to the sunwell grove article |
| 01:25.54 | Bagginsww | thanks pcj |
| 01:25.55 | Camicio | LINK |
| 01:26.12 | Bagginsww | i fyou don't stop yelling I will kick you... |
| 01:26.24 | Camicio | link!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 01:26.38 | Bagginsww | a character in legend of zeld games. |
| 01:26.42 | Bagginsww | *zelda |
| 01:26.49 | Camicio | ty!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 01:27.09 | Bagginsww | called Linken in Wow ;) |
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| 01:27.44 | Camicio | linken? |
| 01:29.24 | Bagginsww | you never did the linken quest? |
| 01:31.43 | Camicio | what game?????????? |
| 01:32.03 | Bagginsww | World of Warcraft... |
| 01:32.06 | pcj | baggins http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Sunwell_grove.jpg |
| 01:32.22 | Bagginsww | thanks pcj. |
| 01:32.33 | Camicio | linked quests likechains? |
| 01:32.49 | Bagginsww | no its a character in the game |
| 01:32.53 | Bagginsww | there is a quest chain for him |
| 01:34.13 | Bagginsww | pcj, now I just need to add the overhead exploded grove image, ;) |
| 01:34.35 | Bagginsww | and a view after the illusion is broken |
| 01:41.35 | Bagginsww | cloooooolesss |
| 01:41.42 | Bagginsww | he needs a clue :p |
| 01:48.59 | Bagginsww | slowwikiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 01:49.53 | Camicio | you can play link??????????????????? |
| 01:49.56 | Camicio | in woww??????????????????????????? |
| 01:51.40 | pcj | ok kick him |
| 01:52.17 | Sky2042_afk | goddamnit gourra. |
| 01:52.20 | Sky2042_afk | get your ass back on. |
| 01:52.24 | Fisker- | PYRO TIEM |
| 01:52.31 | Fisker- | puts Sky2042_afk on fire |
| 01:52.42 | Fisker- | btw no kicking |
| 01:52.45 | Sky2042_afk | Ice Blocks. |
| 01:52.45 | Fisker- | yes made it! |
| 01:53.07 | *** kick/#wowwiki [Fisker-!n=Sky2042@wikimedia/Izno] by Sky2042_afk (I Ice Blocked. Your "No Kicking" debuff faded".) |
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| 01:53.30 | pcj | wait...you're not a mage |
| 01:53.36 | Sky2042_afk | is! |
| 01:53.40 | Fisker- | i agree with pcj |
| 01:53.54 | Fisker- | you just say so, so that you can kick me :( |
| 01:56.51 | Sky2042_afk | Haha. Kirkbu*n is astute. |
| 01:58.57 | pcj | what about kirkburn |
| 01:59.28 | Sky2042_afk | an edit he made. |
| 01:59.32 | Sky2042_afk | sighs at pcj. |
| 01:59.48 | pcj | which one |
| 02:00.46 | Sky2042_afk | that one |
| 02:01.26 | pcj | if you didn't want to talk about it why did you say anything |
| 02:01.34 | Fisker- | i'm beginning to disagree |
| 02:01.49 | Sky2042_afk | pcj: because I could? You didn't need to respond. ^^ |
| 02:02.19 | pcj | right, won't respond to you then |
| 02:02.40 | Fisker- | lets waste him |
| 02:02.44 | Fisker- | BOINK |
| 02:03.01 | Sky2042_afk | is boinked. |
| 02:03.03 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 02:03.07 | Bagginsww | no boinking while I"m on duty |
| 02:03.15 | Fisker- | today is officially a day for faggotry |
| 02:03.18 | Sky2042_afk | SAVE ME BAGGINS! |
| 02:03.36 | Fisker- | why it's the firefox help our pointless epeen-day |
| 02:04.54 | Bagginsww | hmm wowwiki is stillslow :p |
| 02:05.33 | Bagginsww | you know almost easy to get away with typing bum instead of burn |
| 02:05.53 | Bagginsww | if you use small fonts :p |
| 02:06.05 | Fisker- | i could just destroy you though |
| 02:06.05 | pcj | BUM |
| 02:06.18 | pcj | yeah i had it all the way down to 8pt and it still didn't show up right baggins |
| 02:06.51 | Bagginsww | heh |
| 02:07.21 | Fisker- | suddenly, PYROS EVERYWHERE |
| 02:13.42 | Bagginsww | rolandius and his 'grammar' edits. :p I caught a few edits that didn't actually improve the 'grammar' :p |
| 02:13.58 | Bagginsww | or have nothing to do with grammar :p |
| 02:14.16 | Fisker- | Just like i caught you collecting $200 after passing start while going to jail |
| 02:14.16 | Fisker- | :o |
| 02:15.09 | Fisker- | worktiems |
| 02:15.52 | pcj | shut up fisker you know you can't be banker any more because you embezzle funds |
| 02:16.48 | Bagginsww | Never been to jail, and I rarely collect $200 :p |
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| 02:19.05 | Bagginsww | you know origin of the races is somewhat amusing nod to the Origin of the Species |
| 02:19.28 | Bagginsww | but it might be better to just call it "race origins" |
| 02:19.39 | Bagginsww | so it isn't such a bulky title |
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| 03:21.01 | Bagginsww | gg rolandius hasn't heard of approximations |
| 03:24.20 | Fisker- | slaps pcj around a bit with a large trout |
| 03:24.28 | pcj | what |
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| 03:24.53 | Fisker- | you wound me |
| 03:25.12 | Bagginsww | red snapper |
| 03:25.24 | Bagginsww | a red herring |
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| 03:27.14 | Fisker- | hey Bagginsww |
| 03:27.21 | Fisker- | you're on the chance tile again |
| 03:27.26 | Fisker- | picks up the chance card |
| 03:28.03 | Fisker- | "Move directly into the ocean, if you pass start you'll collect 200 pounds of turd" ;_; |
| 03:29.49 | Fisker- | <-tired |
| 03:48.05 | Bagginsww | kills rolandius |
| 03:53.48 | pcj | heh CIA's wiki runs on mediawiki |
| 04:13.10 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Baggins#Ignoring_sources |
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| 04:52.33 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Baggins#Ignoring_sources |
| 04:52.34 | Bagginsww | :p |
| 05:12.28 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Baggins#Ignoring_sources being driven mad... |
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| 05:43.38 | Sky2042_afk | Bagginsww: you need to go hunting for Unholy Aura. I think we need an article on it. |
| 05:43.40 | Sky2042_afk | =] |
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| 05:45.07 | Bagginsww | Unholy Aura, you want lore eh? |
| 06:05.50 | Sky2042_afk | Bagginsww: isn't it quite easy to assume that Zin-Azshari and the city of Azshara are the same? |
| 06:05.52 | Sky2042_afk | weeeeee |
| 06:07.44 | Bagginsww | with the ruins of Zin-Azshari comment ;) Sure |
| 06:08.01 | Bagginsww | although one issue |
| 06:08.44 | Bagginsww | the book implies that Azshara the zone may be the city :p |
| 06:09.04 | Bagginsww | by the reference to Naga Outpost on Ashenvale's coast |
| 06:12.23 | Bagginsww | although its obviously going by some kind of description inbetween wracraft iii version of the world and the wow version |
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| 06:39.46 | Kirkburn | Morning |
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| 06:50.43 | Sky2042_afk | kirkburn: invalid? |
| 06:50.58 | Kirkburn | There's no bug from what I can tell, you just wrote it wrong |
| 06:51.41 | Sky2042 | omg, they fixed brokenredirects |
| 06:51.46 | Kirkburn | Yup :) |
| 06:51.47 | Sky2042 | I did? o_o |
| 06:51.49 | Sky2042 | like, you were able to fix it? |
| 06:51.59 | Kirkburn | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Upgrade_early_2008#math_tag_broken |
| 06:52.14 | Kirkburn | \left appears to be a modifier, not an actual bracket |
| 06:52.38 | Sky2042 | it's not supposed to require the bracket i don't htink |
| 06:52.45 | Sky2042 | goes to look it up. |
| 06:53.27 | Sky2042 | huh |
| 06:53.29 | Sky2042 | touche |
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| 06:55.04 | Sky2042 | so it's basically a / in regex |
| 06:55.08 | Sky2042 | gee, how idiotic -_- |
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| 07:00.27 | Kirkburn | Okay, and the guild names should all now be fixed |
| 07:00.40 | Sky2042 | is willing to bet there's one or two more. |
| 07:00.58 | Kirkburn | Well, all the spaces were fixed, all the lowercase |
| 07:01.13 | Sky2042 | beats kirkburn for not checking special:whatlinkshere on [[category:stubs/guild]] |
| 07:01.19 | Kirkburn | Really doubt there's any Server lowercase left |
| 07:08.45 | Sky2042 | omg, they really did fix it. |
| 07:09.12 | Sky2042 | wantedpages is fixed too. |
| 07:09.53 | Kirkburn | Reminds me, can we turn the template talk pages into external links? |
| 07:10.24 | Kirkburn | Seems a bit silly having them clog up the list |
| 07:10.45 | Sky2042 | Don't think so, though you can sandbox it at Navbox/doc or somethin |
| 07:11.10 | Sky2042 | I can only wonder at why it is not so at Wikipedia. |
| 07:11.27 | Sky2042 | Of course, they don't have wantedpages there anymore... |
| 07:11.36 | Kirkburn | They don't monitor those pages much afaik, too many to deal with |
| 07:11.50 | Sky2042 | They literally don't have the page in use anymore. |
| 07:12.11 | Sky2042 | And no, most template pages have a wikiproject tag on them. |
| 07:12.14 | Sky2042 | template talk* |
| 07:12.25 | Sky2042 | fires up AWB |
| 07:16.01 | Kirkburn | Sky2042, http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Tnavbar/dev |
| 07:16.43 | Sky2042 | oh, I know why |
| 07:17.00 | Sky2042 | it's so people aren't fooled into thinking it's a real link when the page doesn't actual exist |
| 07:17.02 | Sky2042 | :P |
| 07:17.25 | Kirkburn | But ... it's blue on the template pages anyway |
| 07:17.37 | Kirkburn | The only indication is a red underline when you hover over it |
| 07:17.54 | Kirkburn | Which I would expect most to ignore or not even be abel to see |
| 07:18.01 | Sky2042 | only when you click it... |
| 07:18.06 | Sky2042 | when i hover i'm seeing blue |
| 07:18.16 | Sky2042 | oh wait |
| 07:18.16 | Kirkburn | Compare to http://www.wowwiki.com/Serpent_Sting |
| 07:18.37 | Sky2042 | eh, I use them |
| 07:18.38 | Kirkburn | In any case, the discussion and edit links should have a new colour |
| 07:19.45 | Sky2042 | if you can find a color that works in both monobook and in wowwiki, be my guest ;) the blue that is used is the monobook default, and it's not so defaultive against the other blue that it would be a big issue to have to find the letters |
| 07:20.05 | Kirkburn | CSS class it |
| 07:20.22 | Kirkburn | What's the downside of fixing the wantedpages links with an external link as on /dev, anyway? |
| 07:20.47 | Sky2042 | it might end up breaking navbox. i haven't looked though. |
| 07:20.58 | Sky2042 | and /that/, i don't want to change if possible. |
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| 07:21.37 | Kirkburn | Why would it break it? |
| 07:21.53 | Kirkburn | The only change is a tweak to the URL |
| 07:22.26 | Kirkburn | Instead of using an internal link, it uses an external one that uses {{fullurl}} |
| 07:23.51 | Sky2042 | and navbox might for some reason require that the link be internal. don't ask me why, but i can see it being convoluted in such a way |
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| 07:24.09 | Sky2042 | it shouldn't be an issue, but you never know. |
| 07:25.01 | Kirkburn | Either way, we should fix those links, if you want to project banner it, be my guest :) |
| 07:25.36 | Sky2042 | works up {{Project Template filler}} in a jiffy. |
| 07:25.52 | Sky2042 | thank god the server/guild nses are fixed... |
| 07:27.19 | Sky2042 | Server:Steamwheedle_Cartel_(US) is how servers should have been implemented... unfortunate |
| 07:37.46 | Sky2042 | Kirkburn: oh yay. one thing unbroken and another that appears from nowhere: ctrl + f "Fjord Walls" on [[special:brokenredirects]], note the number, then check the number of links. |
| 07:38.34 | Kirkburn | It's not on BrokenRedirects ... |
| 07:38.43 | Sky2042 | eep |
| 07:38.55 | Sky2042 | [[special:wantedpages]] |
| 07:38.56 | Dotted | Sky2042 meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/special:wantedpages |
| 07:39.21 | Kirkburn | Ah, probably needs an update |
| 07:39.28 | Sky2042 | possibly. |
| 07:39.37 | Kirkburn | Lets see what happens when it's next run |
| 07:40.04 | Kirkburn | It's due to once being included on the subzones template |
| 07:40.26 | Kirkburn | In fact ... http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Template%3AHowling_Fjord&diff=1411574&oldid=1389347 |
| 07:40.31 | Kirkburn | It's the caching |
| 07:41.01 | Sky2042 | thought so |
| 07:41.55 | Sky2042 | Kirkburn: you know what's up with http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Image:Icon-hykg-22x22.png&action=edit ? there's 12 links... |
| 07:42.37 | Kirkburn | Yup |
| 07:42.46 | Kirkburn | The prof pages have {{elink|site=HowYouKnowGuy.com|link=http://www.howyouknowguy.com/wow-leatherworking-guide|desc=Simplified Leatherworking leveling Guide 1-375|icon=hykg }} |
| 07:43.01 | Bagginsww | funny how rolandius inserted "grew taller and turned shades of purple" into a quote form Warcraft III manual... |
| 07:43.33 | Bagginsww | and the accuses me of ignoring the warcraft III manual... |
| 07:43.42 | Bagginsww | and being rpg biased |
| 07:43.47 | Sky2042 | Bagginsww: step away from the wiki. i'm warning you; i'll shoot! |
| 07:43.52 | Bagginsww | heh heh |
| 07:44.01 | Bagginsww | so uh sky the aura you were talking about |
| 07:44.09 | Bagginsww | did I add a citation for it? |
| 07:44.12 | Bagginsww | anywhere? |
| 07:44.16 | Bagginsww | so I know where to look |
| 07:44.45 | Bagginsww | was in warcraft II or the rpg? |
| 07:45.03 | Sky2042 | no |
| 07:45.16 | Sky2042 | i deleted a [[Spell:X]] page where that was the effect of the spell. |
| 07:45.25 | Sky2042 | and was like, do we have an article on it? |
| 07:46.13 | Bagginsww | oh I'm pretty sure Unholy Aura exists |
| 07:46.18 | Sky2042 | Kirkburn: there's still several server pages lurking at the bottom of [[special:wantedpages]]. how long ago was the fix? |
| 07:46.27 | Bagginsww | but I can't remember if it was in wc2, 3 or hte rpg :p |
| 07:46.28 | Sky2042 | Bagginsww: no it doesn't. feel free to go fishing in the wiki pond |
| 07:46.30 | Kirkburn | Last night |
| 07:46.34 | Sky2042 | hmmm |
| 07:46.42 | Sky2042 | will wait another night or two. |
| 07:46.45 | Sky2042 | !jobqueue |
| 07:46.45 | Kirkburn | Aye |
| 07:46.50 | Bagginsww | its one of the death knight abilities |
| 07:47.01 | Dotted | The WoWWiki job queue length is currently 1329 |
| 07:47.04 | Sky2042 | Dotted: zomg, scary |
| 07:47.26 | Sky2042 | Bagginsww: It isn't on wiki. There is no [[Unholy Aura]] article. |
| 07:47.29 | Sky2042 | Go make one. |
| 07:47.35 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Death_knight_abilities |
| 07:47.41 | Sky2042 | ... |
| 07:47.41 | Bagginsww | alright |
| 07:51.39 | Bagginsww | eh its a one sentence reference and the rpg is a bunch of gobblidly gook... |
| 07:51.55 | Bagginsww | I hope you won't mind if I just have it redirect to death knight abilities :p |
| 07:51.56 | Bagginsww | ? |
| 07:52.09 | Bagginsww | *one sentence reference in WC3 |
| 07:52.17 | Bagginsww | and mechanics in the rpg |
| 07:52.41 | Sky2042 | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=13505 |
| 07:52.53 | Sky2042 | i bet those mechanics came from somewhere |
| 07:52.55 | Sky2042 | ^^ |
| 07:53.51 | Bagginsww | All death knights can learn to exude a dark, raging battle aura that causes allied creatures around them to move and regenerate life more quickly.{{cite|WC3Man|38}} |
| 07:54.05 | Bagginsww | if you insist that I make stub I will. |
| 07:54.17 | Sky2042 | oh fine, don't make it a stub. |
| 07:54.21 | Sky2042 | make it a redirect |
| 07:55.07 | Bagginsww | too late :p |
| 07:55.10 | Bagginsww | ;) |
| 07:55.13 | Sky2042 | redirects it. |
| 07:55.37 | Bagginsww | k |
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| 08:14.14 | Dotted | Sky2042? |
| 08:14.53 | Sky2042 | Nada |
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| 08:33.18 | Dotted | die in a fire sky |
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| 08:50.40 | Bagginsww | I just noticed we have a well of eternity article |
| 08:50.46 | Bagginsww | but it has next to nothing on the original well |
| 08:50.51 | Bagginsww | just the second one... |
| 09:01.21 | Bagginsww | who shot the wiki? |
| 09:01.26 | Corgan | It was I. |
| 09:02.01 | Bagginsww | you will die for giving me a 500 error |
| 09:02.52 | Kirkburn | We're updating the skin |
| 09:02.52 | Kirkburn | Monaco 3.1 |
| 09:03.10 | Bagginsww | oh |
| 09:03.44 | Kirkburn | The switchover may be a bit bumpy, but shouldn't last long |
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| 09:12.00 | Bagginsww | um ok so who says the old gods mutated the naga |
| 09:12.08 | Bagginsww | cause in the rpg they weren't... |
| 09:12.16 | Bagginsww | it was the well of eternity that mutated them |
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| 09:13.04 | g0urra | yay skin. |
| 09:13.24 | Kirkburn | YAY! |
| 09:14.44 | Kirkburn | Tell me if you see any bugs |
| 09:14.52 | g0urra | Kirkburn: give me a minute and I'll show you how it looks |
| 09:15.00 | Kirkburn | (I just fixed one) |
| 09:16.20 | g0urra | http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/4576/skinnyvq1.jpg |
| 09:16.29 | Kirkburn | Refresh |
| 09:18.15 | g0urra | Bagginsww: it's quite interesting that it was the Old Gods who made a bargain with Azshara at the end of the Sundering, mutating them to Naga :) |
| 09:19.00 | Bagginsww | we might have alternative accounts here |
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| 09:19.14 | Bagginsww | Dark Factions is specific that it was the well of eternit that did the mutations |
| 09:19.34 | Bagginsww | in like 10 different references in several articles :p |
| 09:20.30 | g0urra | "Then...voices whispered from the gloom, voices calling to her, promising her escape." |
| 09:20.49 | g0urra | "There is a way...there is a way...you will become more than you ever were...more than you ever were...we can help...we can help..." |
| 09:21.13 | Bagginsww | so they used the well of eternity |
| 09:22.02 | g0urra | "'You will be more than you have ever been...' promised the voices. 'And when the time comes, for what we grant you, you will serve us well...'" |
| 09:22.03 | Bagginsww | this was in the novel, "The Sundering" I'd presume? |
| 09:22.07 | g0urra | Yes |
| 09:22.30 | g0urra | Pages 332, 333 |
| 09:23.13 | Bagginsww | While many died, some were |
| 09:23.13 | Bagginsww | transformed by the cascading energies into the creatures |
| 09:23.13 | Bagginsww | now called naga. |
| 09:23.31 | Bagginsww | that's from manual o fmonsters |
| 09:23.36 | Bagginsww | going to go look at monster guide now |
| 09:28.29 | Bagginsww | "that queen's thinking" part must be taken out of context |
| 09:28.40 | Bagginsww | the one attributed to monster guide |
| 09:30.03 | Bagginsww | yep has to be no reference to old gods in monster guide |
| 09:30.11 | Bagginsww | now to track down what the queen's thinking was :p |
| 09:31.59 | Bagginsww | me thinks who ever was modifying it was modifying it without even looking at the citations... |
| 09:32.07 | Bagginsww | or making sure the citations fit... |
| 09:32.41 | Bagginsww | there is something fundamentally wrong when someone makes a book state something other than what it actually intended :p |
| 09:32.50 | Bagginsww | or rather claims a book states something |
| 09:32.54 | Bagginsww | other than it really says |
| 09:32.58 | Bagginsww | *what |
| 09:33.17 | g0urra | What are those voices in her head then? |
| 09:33.35 | g0urra | The "enegies of the well" talking ot her? |
| 09:33.45 | g0urra | energies* to* |
| 09:35.13 | g0urra | also Bagginsww, could you look up "Helvas Grange" has he's not an in-game NPC |
| 09:35.16 | g0urra | http://www.wowwiki.com/Commander_Althea_Ebonlocke |
| 09:35.24 | Kirkburn | Question: what namespaces should be searched by default? |
| 09:35.40 | Bagginsww | hmm |
| 09:35.47 | Bagginsww | is it an article already? |
| 09:35.56 | g0urra | No |
| 09:36.07 | Bagginsww | oh he's in lands of conflict I think |
| 09:36.14 | g0urra | it's a broken link |
| 09:36.17 | Bagginsww | that's the only source I know of for althea |
| 09:36.32 | g0urra | "She and Captain Helvas Grange [...]" |
| 09:36.34 | Bagginsww | give me a moment |
| 09:36.41 | Bagginsww | pretty sure that's form land's of conflict |
| 09:37.04 | g0urra | Kirkburn: main and wowwiki imo |
| 09:38.24 | Kirkburn | Currently it's just "main", I'm asking for server and guild to be added |
| 09:38.46 | Kirkburn | wowwiki does sounds reasonable |
| 09:40.53 | g0urra | by the way, what's the procedure of adding namespaces? |
| 09:41.28 | g0urra | I don't know about you, but I'd like to see Quest: added as a namespace |
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| 09:45.36 | Kirkburn | Very easy: ask me |
| 09:46.11 | g0urra | =p |
| 09:46.12 | Kirkburn | However, need a final outcome on the namespace discussions first |
| 09:49.50 | Bagginsww | made an article gourra |
| 09:53.26 | g0urra | thanks |
| 09:55.02 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Race_origins#Why_so_much_redundancy.3F |
| 09:55.10 | Bagginsww | looks like he might end up being a problem... |
| 09:56.28 | Bagginsww | kirkburn I'd like your assistence there if you would be kind |
| 09:58.19 | Bagginsww | ok gourra can the night watch be moved without breaking anything? |
| 09:58.28 | Bagginsww | because the official name is Night Watch Militia |
| 09:58.35 | Bagginsww | and night watch is the shortened form |
| 09:59.01 | g0urra | I don't see why not |
| 09:59.16 | g0urra | I'll see what's on Special:Whatlinkshere |
| 09:59.32 | g0urra | One redirect |
| 09:59.45 | Bagginsww | ok easily fixible |
| 10:06.45 | Bagginsww | what's with the '''the'''? |
| 10:08.03 | g0urra | probably because it was originally at "The Night Watch" |
| 10:10.01 | Kirkburn | Hows our ads looking? |
| 10:10.27 | Dotted | dunno cant see |
| 10:12.05 | Bagginsww | ahh gourra it wasn't you it was that 'pest'? |
| 10:13.08 | g0urra | ah, yes, it was him |
| 10:15.46 | Kirkburn | Bagginsww, i understand your frustration, but I advise against protecting a page you are involved in an edit war on - get another admin to look at it |
| 10:17.50 | Bagginsww | well I wasn't trying to "edit war" I was trying to add alot of sources onto the page, every time I'd add a source he'd either altar it, remove it, etc... |
| 10:18.04 | Bagginsww | too many of those edit conflicts... |
| 10:18.07 | Bagginsww | kind of things too |
| 10:18.20 | Bagginsww | and then he accuses me of being "biased" before I could finish |
| 10:18.25 | Bagginsww | with the content additions |
| 10:20.57 | Bagginsww | me and gourra both have tried to tell him to cite things properly |
| 10:21.07 | Bagginsww | -On the Ofifical Site" |
| 10:21.10 | Bagginsww | is not good enough |
| 10:22.34 | Kirkburn | Indeed |
| 10:23.33 | Bagginsww | oh and "obvioulsy intentionally superceded" in which case we still post both versions, just pointing out one is outdated version :0 |
| 10:23.39 | Bagginsww | *;) |
| 10:24.02 | Bagginsww | though those are usually minor things that can be put into notes section or trivia |
| 10:24.44 | Kirkburn | Yeah |
| 10:24.58 | Kirkburn | I'll tweak my note |
| 10:26.00 | Bagginsww | now to check warcraft encyclopedia I never got around to that |
| 10:26.12 | Bagginsww | that might be his "purple" reference |
| 10:28.03 | Bagginsww | yep it was the encyclopedia |
| 10:28.44 | Bagginsww | btw its not hte first time people have attacked me for putting up {{fact}} |
| 10:28.46 | Bagginsww | its rediculous |
| 10:29.54 | Bagginsww | I never took it as an attack when people put up fact :p |
| 10:34.53 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Race_origins |
| 10:35.51 | Bagginsww | ...sorry, to cuss, but can I say "wanker" or drama queen? |
| 10:39.41 | Kalroth | Fine with me |
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| 10:39.54 | Ose | whoa! |
| 10:39.56 | Kalroth | Just don't tell it directly to Kirkburn, he'll QQ |
| 10:40.06 | Kalroth | Speaking of which, hi Ose! |
| 10:40.26 | Ose | hai |
| 10:41.56 | Ose | Kirkburn: there's an banner ad on the MP... |
| 10:42.21 | Kirkburn | my god, it's like ... yesterday. |
| 10:42.28 | Ose | huh? |
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| 10:42.44 | Kirkburn | We've always had a banner ad on there, just not quite in the same place :) |
| 10:43.20 | Ose | but there's supposed to be a box ad! |
| 10:43.43 | Kirkburn | Ah right |
| 10:43.46 | Kirkburn | Yeah, being fixed |
| 10:44.42 | Bagginsww | banner adds suck bilballs |
| 10:45.08 | Kalroth | Really? Maybe I should disable my adblocker then |
| 10:45.14 | Kalroth | Because I wouldn't mind a piece of that action |
| 10:45.20 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 10:49.29 | Ose | so, Worldtaker has placed about every user template there is on his page? |
| 10:49.46 | Ose | I strongly doubt he has all those mounts... |
| 10:50.33 | g0urra | Private server! |
| 10:50.39 | Kirkburn | huh? |
| 10:50.44 | Kirkburn | His page is empty |
| 10:51.04 | Ose | [[User:Worldtaker]] |
| 10:51.04 | Dotted | Ose meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Worldtaker |
| 10:51.16 | g0urra | He took them off now Ose |
| 10:51.17 | Kirkburn | His page is empty |
| 10:51.21 | Kirkburn | :P |
| 10:51.22 | Ose | ok |
| 10:51.32 | g0urra | Like, since this morning |
| 10:51.42 | Ose | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=User:WoWWiki-Worldtaker&diff=prev&oldid=1412398 |
| 10:53.33 | g0urra | http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Night_Watch_Militia#Title ffs |
| 10:54.34 | Ose | huh? |
| 10:54.45 | Ose | I don't understand what he's saying |
| 10:55.16 | g0urra | He's saying that in-game NPCs should not have titles like <The Night Watch> |
| 10:55.45 | g0urra | "[...] but when I see something relevant to WoW I try to put it in." ORLY Rolandius |
| 10:56.49 | Ose | it's not really a title, it's like their guild |
| 11:00.35 | g0urra | It's like he ignores how "titles" are in World of Warcraft |
| 11:06.09 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Race_origins#Why_so_much_redundancy.3F ;p |
| 11:16.57 | Bagginsww | ... |
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| 11:18.16 | g0urra | Bagginsww: http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Night_Watch_Militia#Title |
| 11:19.04 | Bagginsww | gg, rolandius can suck my bilballs and my frodong... |
| 11:20.32 | Bagginsww | I'm going to be gone in two weeks to kauai I leave wowwiki in your capable hands :) |
| 11:20.46 | Kalroth | g0urra for president! |
| 11:21.12 | g0urra | >,> |
| 11:21.20 | Kirkburn | :O |
| 11:21.46 | g0urra | admin will do fine, kthx |
| 11:21.47 | Kalroth | oops, I thought Kirkburn was afk |
| 11:22.03 | Kalroth | Kirkburn for president! |
| 11:22.11 | Bagginsww | Well after the page was "protected" it didn't seem like anyone would listen. I cited the subject about the night elves not calling themselves night elves until after the discovery of the Well and you didn't believe it. |
| 11:22.20 | Bagginsww | uh huh I was the one that added the warcraft III citation |
| 11:22.30 | Bagginsww | because he didn't leave one |
| 11:22.54 | Ose | who thinks the guild table (see http://www.wowwiki.com/Server:Moonglade_Europe/Guilds ) should have another color scheme for horde? |
| 11:23.34 | Gourra|away | I think it shouldn't have a color at all |
| 11:25.37 | Ose | grr... |
| 11:25.40 | Kirkburn | If it's to have any colour, it should be darker |
| 11:25.58 | Ose | stupid fx3 has lost a really usefull function |
| 11:26.12 | Kirkburn | Don't forget about http://www.wowwiki.com/Server:Moonglade_Europe/Guilds?useskin=monaco&usetheme=sapphire though |
| 11:26.14 | Kirkburn | Ose? |
| 11:28.32 | Ose | if I click "next" on the ctrl+f bar, I have to re-click the editing window to edit it |
| 11:28.42 | Kirkburn | Oh, yes |
| 11:28.47 | Kirkburn | That does annoy me |
| 11:30.06 | Gourra|away | There's ctrl+g to find the next... |
| 11:30.52 | Ose | ooh |
| 11:32.02 | Kirkburn | Ah, that's good |
| 11:32.11 | Kirkburn | Still annoying though |
| 11:32.13 | Gourra|away | ok now I'm away |
| 11:32.21 | Gourra|away | is away: Busy |
| 11:32.41 | Kirkburn | Before you could just click the mouse and then ctrl+v, now you have to move your hand |
| 11:33.06 | Kirkburn | I wonder what changed to the focus stuff, and why |
| 11:35.19 | Ose | ok, so HTML colors... it's #rrggbb? |
| 11:35.45 | Ose | Kirkburn you know |
| 11:35.54 | Kirkburn | aye |
| 11:35.57 | Kirkburn | or #rgb |
| 11:36.12 | Ose | and it goes 1-9, c then f? |
| 11:36.50 | Ose | b? |
| 11:37.02 | Kirkburn | 0-9, a-f |
| 11:37.09 | Kirkburn | Hex, dude |
| 11:37.28 | Ose | huh? |
| 11:37.40 | Kirkburn | It's hex numbers |
| 11:37.59 | Kirkburn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexadecimal ... base 16 |
| 11:38.15 | Kirkburn | 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, a, b, c, d, e, f |
| 11:39.03 | Kirkburn | That's single digit. Double digit is 00, 01, 02 ... 09, 0a, .... 0f, 10, 11, .... 1f, 20, .... |
| 11:39.30 | Kirkburn | Then you get to 9f, then a1, a2 |
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| 11:39.45 | Bagginsww | Rolandius is Zarnks 2.0 :p |
| 11:39.51 | Kirkburn | :O |
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| 11:40.13 | Bagginsww | well not literally |
| 11:40.19 | Bagginsww | but this is how it started out :p |
| 11:40.34 | Kirkburn | Is he horde-lovin? |
| 11:40.40 | Bagginsww | accusations of biaseness |
| 11:40.52 | Bagginsww | nah he has a different twist on "biase" topic |
| 11:41.07 | Bagginsww | were zarnks accused me of being alliance biased |
| 11:41.17 | Bagginsww | rolandius is accusing me of being rpg biased :p |
| 11:41.38 | Bagginsww | he admited this is because I have the books and he doens't :p |
| 11:42.56 | Kirkburn | Ordered Dark Factions earlier |
| 11:43.07 | Ose | grr... |
| 11:43.15 | Bagginsww | cool |
| 11:43.21 | Kirkburn | And the comic book compilation, and the new novel |
| 11:43.26 | Ose | them numbahs are cunfjuzing Ose |
| 11:43.31 | Bagginsww | oh I need to order the compilation |
| 11:43.38 | Bagginsww | I might pick up the new novel |
| 11:43.39 | Kirkburn | Ose, *hug* |
| 11:43.43 | Bagginsww | for over in kauai |
| 11:43.48 | Bagginsww | on my free times |
| 11:43.49 | Kirkburn | I'll try explain better |
| 11:44.06 | Ose | {{P/Cell}} you want to have the honors Kirkburn? |
| 11:44.06 | Dotted | Ose meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:P/Cell |
| 11:44.11 | Kirkburn | Colour code is # rr gg bb |
| 11:44.38 | Kirkburn | Where rr is the "amount" of red, ranging from 00 (none) to FF (lots) |
| 11:45.21 | Kirkburn | It's basically a normal number scheme (0, 1, 2, 3), expect they don'repeat after 9, they repeat after "f" |
| 11:45.53 | Kirkburn | So you get 01, 02, 03 ... 09, 0a, 0b, .... 0f .... /then/ you reach 10. |
| 11:46.16 | Ose | so the highest is FF? |
| 11:46.22 | Kirkburn | Yup |
| 11:46.42 | Kirkburn | Which is equivalent to 256 in the decimal system |
| 11:47.50 | Ose | infobot, hex f*f |
| 11:47.50 | infobot | f*f is 66 2A 66 |
| 11:47.55 | Ose | hehe |
| 11:47.57 | Kirkburn | Decimal is base-10 (there are 10 digits), hexadecimal is base-16 (there are 16 digits) |
| 11:47.58 | Bagginsww | oh and do me a favor kirkburn if you will, tell rolandius to post at the bottom of the discussion not in between two people's posts, not in the middle of someone's post or any other alternatives :p |
| 11:48.11 | Bagginsww | its hard to follow |
| 11:48.46 | Bagginsww | and since he obviously doesn't understand a word I'm saying... he'll obviously take it wrong if I try to explain it to him... |
| 11:51.08 | Ose | speaking of warcraft books... |
| 11:51.28 | Ose | I need some reading stuff for teh holidays |
| 11:51.46 | g0urra | is back (gone 00:19:25) |
| 11:53.56 | Kirkburn | Ose, which don't you have? |
| 11:54.08 | Ose | all? |
| 11:54.22 | Ose | I've read the sunwell manhwa though |
| 11:55.05 | Ose | it's not very widely available where I live |
| 11:55.19 | Bagginsww | manwha snickers :p |
| 11:55.24 | Ose | atleast I haven't found anything in the bookstore |
| 11:55.37 | g0urra | I got the war of the ancients trilogy, DotD, LotC, RotH, CoH, TLG, Sunwell trilogy.. |
| 11:55.39 | Ose | http://www.outland.no/default.aspx?did=22646443 seems to be a nice pack tho |
| 11:56.03 | Ose | if not, I might buy a couple when I go to NY |
| 11:56.10 | g0urra | oh and ToD too |
| 11:56.33 | g0urra | I've read them all twice except for ToD and CoH.. |
| 11:56.36 | Ose | {{P/Cell}} g0urra you want to change it? i'm giving up |
| 11:56.38 | Dotted | Ose meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:P/Cell |
| 11:56.48 | Ose | (teh colors) |
| 11:57.18 | g0urra | gets up his PS color picker |
| 11:57.27 | Ose | it applies to both the progression and guild templates |
| 11:57.34 | Kirkburn | That's a point, I should read ToD again |
| 11:57.43 | Ose | now I have to go mow teh lawn(s) |
| 11:57.50 | Kirkburn | Ose, Amazon possible? |
| 11:58.21 | Ose | njeah, if I find a good offer |
| 11:58.31 | Kirkburn | I recommend starting with the Warcraft Archive |
| 11:58.39 | Ose | taxes in norway are craaaazy |
| 11:58.42 | Kirkburn | Cheap, big, and has the earliest stuff |
| 12:00.47 | g0urra | I need to find Of Blood and Honor :/ |
| 12:04.59 | g0urra | Great, e-book |
| 12:05.25 | Bagginsww | just buy the archive |
| 12:06.06 | Bagginsww | I bought thee archive for hawaii, leff my single copies back home |
| 12:06.18 | Bagginsww | I need to get the WotA archive too |
| 12:06.26 | Bagginsww | for use here |
| 12:07.08 | g0urra | Bagginsww: I hope there's nothing there that haven't been cited already...you know the difference between archive and normal book |
| 12:07.24 | g0urra | anyway I'm off for a couple of hours, later |
| 12:09.08 | Bagginsww | I cite from online archives of the single versions of the book :) |
| 12:09.20 | Bagginsww | google books, amazon |
| 12:09.42 | Bagginsww | as for adding old or new info |
| 12:09.49 | Bagginsww | nope they are original text |
| 12:10.00 | Bagginsww | just fontsize is different |
| 12:10.05 | Bagginsww | and book is larger |
| 12:10.12 | Bagginsww | so more stuff fits onto a single page |
| 12:10.21 | Bagginsww | formatting is different |
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| 12:16.21 | Bagginsww | well night |
| 12:17.45 | Ose|mowmowmow | nn baggins |
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| 12:24.16 | AU518987077 | morning |
| 12:24.25 | AU518987077 | quick question, is authentication down thsi morning? |
| 12:30.34 | Kirkburn | For WoW, or the wiki? |
| 12:36.49 | Kirkburn | There was some maintenance on US realms |
| 12:36.58 | AU518987077 | for wow |
| 12:37.04 | AU518987077 | my servers back up |
| 12:37.12 | AU518987077 | but it then said unable to connect |
| 12:42.51 | JohnMahowald | Same here. I'm guessing auth server. |
| 12:43.09 | AU518987077 | hmm, any post yet ? i cnat find anythign in forums |
| 12:46.36 | Ose | Kirkburn: do you ahve any experience with {{3D Cell}}? |
| 12:47.51 | Kirkburn | nope |
| 12:51.55 | Ose | w00t |
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| 12:53.12 | Bagginsww | gg he's still at it |
| 12:53.19 | Bagginsww | and still being very stupid |
| 12:53.22 | Ose | grr... |
| 12:53.31 | Ose | why won't it work? |
| 12:53.36 | Ose | rolandius? |
| 12:53.46 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Race_origins#Why_so_much_redundancy.3F |
| 12:53.47 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 12:54.04 | Bagginsww | He thinks he can get away with just saying It was on the webiste :p |
| 12:54.18 | Bagginsww | and is cursing me out for putting up a fact check... |
| 12:54.30 | Bagginsww | I'm somekind of monster :p |
| 12:55.17 | Bagginsww | also kirkburn you confused him ;) |
| 12:55.22 | Bagginsww | :p |
| 12:55.39 | Bagginsww | he seems to be so small minded he can't tell when two sources are the same :p |
| 12:56.06 | Bagginsww | I haven't talked to someone this clueless since that old lady in a math lab... |
| 12:56.19 | Bagginsww | who thought the united states started WW2 |
| 12:56.42 | Bagginsww | by bombing japan with the atomic bombs |
| 12:58.16 | Bagginsww | Generally speaking I'm used to communicating with smart people. People with good logic sense, that can understand cause and effect... |
| 12:59.18 | Ose | looooool |
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| 13:02.00 | Bagginsww | but ya the easily confused get on my nerves I think :p |
| 13:02.54 | Bagginsww | at least most people I know understand a leads to b leads to c... |
| 13:03.08 | Ose | any constructive criticism on http://www.wowwiki.com/Server:Moonglade_Europe/Guilds ? |
| 13:03.49 | Bagginsww | and don't try to seperate a and b down the middle :p |
| 13:03.49 | Ose | the look I mean |
| 13:03.49 | Bagginsww | into two seperate topics :p |
| 13:03.52 | pcj | http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080617111108.b1lbw8yy&show_article=1 |
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| 13:05.06 | Bagginsww | leave it to the chinese |
| 13:05.12 | Bagginsww | US is so behind in innovation |
| 13:05.30 | Bagginsww | me thinks its because the us is full of rolandiusi.. |
| 13:05.45 | Bagginsww | too much junkfood and pop music |
| 13:05.55 | Ose | and Bushes! |
| 13:05.58 | Bagginsww | yes |
| 13:06.12 | Bagginsww | and school dropouts |
| 13:06.37 | Bagginsww | although there were hovering sauchers back in the 50s |
| 13:06.37 | Ose | seeing http://www.wowwiki.com/Server:Gorgonnash_US#Server_Progression , the tables definently needs another color scheme |
| 13:06.56 | Bagginsww | back when people in US were smart and innovative :p |
| 13:07.07 | pcj | http://www.newsnet5.com/news/16628053/detail.html?rss=nn5&psp=news |
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| 13:08.01 | Bagginsww | gg |
| 13:08.02 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Race_origins |
| 13:08.06 | Ose | pcj=newsbot? |
| 13:08.10 | Bagginsww | broken record |
| 13:08.21 | Bagginsww | kirkburn you didn't help |
| 13:08.24 | Bagginsww | you created a monster |
| 13:09.10 | pcj | yeah the new monaco is a bit frankenstein-ish |
| 13:12.10 | Kirkburn | A monster who like straw men. |
| 13:12.54 | pcj | adys when is fx3 coming out |
| 13:13.43 | Kirkburn | It's already on the download sites, afaik, just not announced |
| 13:14.49 | pcj | well when do the 24 hours start for the world record |
| 13:16.31 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 13:16.36 | Bagginsww | straw men indeed |
| 13:18.47 | Kirkburn | pcj, http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=6&day=17&year=2008&hour=10&min=0&sec=0&p1=224&sort=1 |
| 13:19.15 | Kirkburn | Just under 4 hours |
| 13:22.00 | Kalroth | I'll get my botnet of 125000 rooted computers to download it! |
| 13:23.04 | Kirkburn | Btw, as someone just pointed out I think the world record was probably actually set by Windows Update ... every patch tuesday |
| 13:23.20 | pcj | I think the record is for human-initiated downloads |
| 13:23.37 | Kirkburn | Bah, sematics :P |
| 13:23.49 | Kirkburn | *semantics (ironeeee) |
| 13:23.51 | pcj | No, please play nice and only download one copy of Firefox per computer. We ask that you refrain from creating download bots or any other mechanism that would be cheating. In order for our attempt to be legitimate, each download must be human initiated. |
| 13:26.17 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Race_origins#Why_so_much_redundancy.3F |
| 13:26.26 | Bagginsww | he wouldn't like me if I was angry, :p |
| 13:26.36 | Bagginsww | I'm only at annoyed right now |
| 13:27.01 | Bagginsww | not ready to hulk out just yet :p |
| 13:27.16 | Kirkburn | Btw, for Windows and Linux users of Firefox 3, RC2=RC3=Final |
| 13:28.25 | pcj | stupid mac users |
| 13:28.36 | Kirkburn | Actually, blame Apple |
| 13:28.47 | pcj | I do |
| 13:28.51 | Kirkburn | They introduced a bug in the last OSX update which Mozilla had to deal with |
| 13:30.43 | pcj | good god baggins that tal page looks like X8's or Airiphs user talk page |
| 13:30.48 | pcj | you should get rolandius on IRC |
| 13:31.06 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 13:31.15 | Bagginsww | did you see his hillsbrad discussion... |
| 13:31.29 | Bagginsww | he has very bad circular logic issues |
| 13:31.39 | Bagginsww | unless you draw a diagram he rarely understand |
| 13:31.48 | Bagginsww | and even then... |
| 13:32.30 | Bagginsww | I don't think his edits are that great of quality either... somewhat a bit up there with M1330 |
| 13:33.04 | Bagginsww | I found it somewhat ironic when he attacked M1330, when I was forced to take action a couple of weeks back :p |
| 13:33.22 | Bagginsww | basically he mirrored what I said |
| 13:33.48 | Bagginsww | but was a bit added a bit more ridicule. |
| 13:34.03 | Bagginsww | as if he was superior |
| 13:34.28 | Bagginsww | had it actually been specifically an insult I would ahve adi something then :p |
| 13:34.39 | Bagginsww | but it just seemes to be a bit too sarcastic |
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| 13:36.19 | Bagginsww | oh yes and what was the other 10 hour arguement I had with him where he kept repeating himself? I know there was at least one more... |
| 13:38.19 | Kirkburn | You obsess a lot, don't you :P |
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| 13:38.45 | Kirkburn | Not complaining about the obsessing over lore, of course :) |
| 13:39.36 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 13:40.45 | Bagginsww | ahh well I suppose I do obsess over little things, especially when someone removes it the info... |
| 13:41.02 | Bagginsww | without a firm understanding of what a citation means... |
| 13:41.19 | Bagginsww | sources might be contradictory |
| 13:41.32 | Bagginsww | but at least a citation shows what the source had said |
| 13:42.00 | Ose | [12:41]<Ose>Kirkburn: there's an banner ad on the MP... |
| 13:42.13 | Ose | [12:43]<Ose>but there's supposed to be a box ad! |
| 13:42.22 | pcj | o sht |
| 13:42.30 | pcj | actually i don't see any ads |
| 13:42.57 | Kirkburn|afk | Yes, I get it, thanks |
| 13:43.09 | Kirkburn|afk | Ose, fixed? |
| 13:44.07 | Ose | noh |
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| 13:44.47 | Kirkburn|afk | What's not fixed? There should be a banner and a box. Exactly the same as before the update (though the banner is moved) |
| 13:48.50 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Rolandius#Dashes |
| 13:50.37 | Ose | I don't see no box ad |
| 13:50.56 | pcj | i don't see either ad |
| 13:51.30 | pcj | http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003661713_safecatch11m.html |
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| 13:55.30 | Ragestorm | Bagginsww? |
| 13:55.35 | Bagginsww | ya? |
| 13:55.46 | Ragestorm | User:Roandius |
| 13:55.57 | Ragestorm | Discuss in not more than 100 words |
| 13:56.13 | Bagginsww | He's getting on my nerves on a zarnks level of nerve bending.... |
| 13:56.30 | Ragestorm | That bad? |
| 13:56.42 | Bagginsww | basically doing alot of "grammar edits" that don't seem to improve anything |
| 13:56.52 | Bagginsww | some were negative |
| 13:57.02 | Bagginsww | trying to "fix" citations |
| 13:57.07 | Ragestorm | Yes, I noticed that. Mostly putitng dashes everyhwere |
| 13:57.12 | Bagginsww | ya... |
| 13:57.29 | Bagginsww | I'm close to telling him the grammar edits are not allowed anymore... |
| 13:57.52 | Ragestorm | Either that or start using a different description. |
| 13:58.00 | Bagginsww | but ya he doesn't seem to understand that sources may not be 100% interlocking |
| 13:58.29 | Bagginsww | but a citation shows what a source says |
| 13:58.34 | Ragestorm | He also seems to have gone page by page in WotA and is adding everything he can think of |
| 13:58.40 | Ragestorm | You're preaching to the choir |
| 13:58.42 | Bagginsww | ya I found that rediculous |
| 13:59.06 | Bagginsww | I mean if found, "bunyan" in a book he'd create an article on it... |
| 13:59.27 | Ragestorm | The same thing could be said of you and the RPG. :P |
| 13:59.28 | Bagginsww | I'm surprised he hasn't written the article "the" |
| 13:59.53 | Ragestorm | This isn't Wookeeiepedia, as Fandyllic keeps reminding us. |
| 14:00.01 | Bagginsww | generally speaking I stick mainly to people and places that have some lore merit. |
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| 14:00.10 | Ragestorm | http://www.wowwiki.com/Eternal |
| 14:00.23 | Bagginsww | any lore :p |
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| 14:00.26 | Ose | speaking of Fandy, why hasn't he set his sig up like averybody else? |
| 14:00.47 | Ragestorm | Would you say that Hope, Celestials, archdemons and archangels should be listed |
| 14:00.57 | Bagginsww | they were given backstories |
| 14:01.09 | Ragestorm | But Eternal backstories? |
| 14:01.36 | Ragestorm | Hope and Celestials I can see, but archdemons and archangels only have one citation apiece to my knowledge |
| 14:01.37 | Bagginsww | well they do fit under the vague definition of eternal in the rpg :p |
| 14:01.51 | Bagginsww | and ya |
| 14:02.03 | Bagginsww | I was keeping archanges in the angel article |
| 14:02.13 | Bagginsww | since itw as an angel subtype |
| 14:02.25 | Kirkburn|afk | Ose, because he doesn't have to |
| 14:02.31 | Bagginsww | archangel is his rolandius new article... |
| 14:02.32 | Bagginsww | :p |
| 14:02.53 | Ragestorm | If he hasn't cited W1Man, delete it. |
| 14:03.02 | Bagginsww | good point |
| 14:03.06 | Bagginsww | I'll just redirect |
| 14:03.20 | Ragestorm | Archdemon could simply mean, "a demon in charge of other demons." |
| 14:03.30 | Bagginsww | besies he added stupid speculation into it |
| 14:03.34 | Ragestorm | As archangel usually does. |
| 14:03.37 | Ose | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Saurfang_facts&curid=75674&diff=1412762&oldid=1410345&rcid=1395697 :D |
| 14:03.38 | Ragestorm | Oh gods |
| 14:03.41 | pcj | that's more than 100 words |
| 14:03.46 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 14:04.14 | Bagginsww | I"m get the impression though he thinks his speculation is more important than any other people's speculation :p... without bothering to even put a speculatont ag... |
| 14:04.34 | Ragestorm | He puts one in occastionally. |
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| 14:04.55 | Ragestorm | I like the theory he postulated that the Well of Eternity might have existed in all of Azeroth's dimensions |
| 14:05.06 | Bagginsww | but ya ragestorm I think its pretty clear that most demosna re not eternals |
| 14:05.06 | Ose | anyone know why http://www.wowwiki.com/Server:Moonglade_Europe/Guilds#The_Travelers_of_Azeroth centers? |
| 14:05.10 | Bagginsww | only two were |
| 14:05.18 | Ragestorm | Of course, it's in entirely the wrong place |
| 14:05.24 | Bagginsww | and that's only because someone venerated them |
| 14:05.34 | Bagginsww | weirdo cults that worship them :p |
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| 14:05.54 | Ose | is Sargeras classified as a demon? |
| 14:05.56 | Ragestorm | Or becase KJ and Archy use the Eternal template? |
| 14:06.03 | Ragestorm | Bagginsww? |
| 14:06.18 | Ragestorm | I've seen him as Vanir, demon and Dark Titan |
| 14:06.27 | Bagginsww | well I think that's the reason why they were given the template but its nebulous at best |
| 14:06.38 | Bagginsww | ya same |
| 14:06.46 | Bagginsww | and outsider :p |
| 14:06.59 | Ragestorm | Well DUH! |
| 14:07.01 | Bagginsww | heh heh |
| 14:07.14 | pcj | it centers because of http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:G/Header |
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| 14:07.59 | Ragestorm | Bottom line, though: he is trying to help, and a number of his edits have, in my opinion, been somewhat helpful |
| 14:08.06 | Bagginsww | but ya therea are several important demons |
| 14:08.10 | Bagginsww | in the book |
| 14:08.15 | Bagginsww | but only two have the eternal template |
| 14:08.44 | Ose | pcj: why does only a few center while most keep to the left? |
| 14:08.51 | Bagginsww | but ya his archdmeon thread is mostly speculation right? |
| 14:09.05 | Bagginsww | *article |
| 14:09.06 | pcj | looks like everything on that page is centered |
| 14:09.19 | Ragestorm | All I know is it's on the Eternal article. No idea if he made a new one. |
| 14:09.29 | Ose | no? |
| 14:09.32 | Ose | huh? |
| 14:09.41 | Bagginsww | he made a stub :p |
| 14:09.50 | Ragestorm | I tried to talk to him about it and he just asked why Xavius was there. |
| 14:09.52 | Bagginsww | but it seems mostly speculatory |
| 14:10.02 | Bagginsww | straw man :p |
| 14:10.20 | Ragestorm | One day, you and I need to go through every lore stub. |
| 14:10.32 | Bagginsww | Xavius is there because he's got an eternal template and is in the chapter called Eternals :p |
| 14:10.43 | Ragestorm | Fine, tell him that. |
| 14:10.50 | Bagginsww | I've told that to alot of people :p |
| 14:11.00 | Bagginsww | I'm going to help you out |
| 14:11.09 | Bagginsww | I'm going to put the table of contents |
| 14:11.15 | Bagginsww | in the Shadows and Light article |
| 14:11.31 | Bagginsww | so the umpteenth person that asks, you can send them there |
| 14:11.48 | Ragestorm | I already tell them to ask you anyway. |
| 14:12.06 | Ragestorm | :D |
| 14:12.25 | Bagginsww | but ya I moved red fox "ancient" and some of those others into other articles |
| 14:12.26 | Bagginsww | like fox |
| 14:12.33 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 14:13.01 | Ragestorm | Good. With regards to lore stubs, you should practice what you preach. |
| 14:13.29 | Ragestorm | I know the RPG-bias accusation is groundless, but I can see where he got the idea, no offense. |
| 14:13.42 | Bagginsww | well its not rpg only |
| 14:13.44 | Bagginsww | its been done for wow |
| 14:13.53 | Bagginsww | the novels |
| 14:13.57 | Bagginsww | any source even |
| 14:14.02 | Ragestorm | Oh, and Garona is now listed as a Notable Former ally of the Burning Legion |
| 14:14.15 | Bagginsww | give a single reference in a quest and someone will create a page for it |
| 14:14.25 | Bagginsww | sigh... |
| 14:15.35 | Bagginsww | last night |
| 14:15.40 | Ragestorm | Severin Andrews insists that her connection is identical to that of Arthas, who is already on the page. |
| 14:15.45 | Bagginsww | he was taking random samwise artwork |
| 14:15.49 | Bagginsww | and personal comics |
| 14:15.53 | Bagginsww | and making articles for them :p |
| 14:16.00 | Ragestorm | who, Roland? |
| 14:16.03 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 14:16.24 | Bagginsww | I had to explain to him that sons of the storms isn't even a Blizzard website |
| 14:16.26 | Ragestorm | OK. This is getting out of hand. |
| 14:16.36 | Bagginsww | and not all the content on it belogns to blizzard |
| 14:16.39 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Archdemon |
| 14:16.44 | Ragestorm | At least he isn't trying to blame the Legion on the Draenei |
| 14:17.15 | Bagginsww | next he'll list the guy who was manipulated to do something for the burning legion without even knowing he was... |
| 14:17.25 | Bagginsww | if there are anyone like that :p |
| 14:17.34 | Ragestorm | That citation isn't even right |
| 14:17.36 | Bagginsww | but if he could argue it he'd find a way to list lothar :p |
| 14:17.53 | Bagginsww | Lothar was a friend of medivh |
| 14:17.59 | Bagginsww | and helped medivh out |
| 14:18.09 | Bagginsww | since medivh was obviously |
| 14:18.14 | Ragestorm | Don't exaggerate, Baggins, it's unworthy of your record |
| 14:18.21 | Bagginsww | I'm joking ;) |
| 14:18.47 | Bagginsww | I was just pointing out that if you take that route you could do any number of six degrees of seperation... |
| 14:18.57 | Ragestorm | Does the warning "if blood elves drain naaru, they'll say Thrall's a babyeater next?" |
| 14:19.03 | Ragestorm | Ring any bells. |
| 14:19.07 | Bagginsww | Lawl |
| 14:19.22 | Ragestorm | I do not like exaggeration when it comes to retcons. |
| 14:19.27 | Bagginsww | well its what they call a slippery slope fallacy |
| 14:19.58 | Bagginsww | I'm being sarcastic about it myself. but imo that's what some people actually believe |
| 14:20.00 | Ragestorm | And page 230 of the Sundering does not have the word archdemon anywhere near it. |
| 14:20.09 | Bagginsww | ... |
| 14:21.01 | Bagginsww | the way he cites from both the single books and the archives... you can't follow anything he adds :p |
| 14:21.19 | Bagginsww | well alot of his adds |
| 14:22.01 | Ragestorm | It's not like he done anything but ignore conventional warnings. |
| 14:22.11 | Ragestorm | As I told M1330, he's not a vandal. |
| 14:23.01 | Ragestorm | Kirkburn|afk, do you have an opinion, or are you sitting in the shadows waiting for us to surrender? |
| 14:23.05 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 14:23.37 | Bagginsww | well the one time I got onto m1330 a couple weeks back |
| 14:23.51 | Bagginsww | roland was writing posts that appeared somewhat gloating |
| 14:24.21 | Kirkburn|afk | I'm not a fan of conflict :P |
| 14:24.26 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 14:24.30 | Bagginsww | he feeds on conflict |
| 14:25.09 | pcj | nom nom nom tasty conflict |
| 14:25.14 | Bagginsww | hmm I see what you mean |
| 14:25.28 | Bagginsww | he added every single thing to that list... |
| 14:25.33 | Bagginsww | midnight peddlar... |
| 14:25.53 | Bagginsww | I was trying to keep eternal mainly to the most noteable stuff :p |
| 14:25.59 | Ose | I can has a conflictburger? |
| 14:26.07 | Ragestorm | He also only just got the in-universe message. |
| 14:26.29 | Ragestorm | The problem not is that this looks like we're picking on him. |
| 14:26.34 | Ragestorm | *now |
| 14:26.39 | Bagginsww | ya.. |
| 14:27.07 | Bagginsww | I mean I tried to just tell him to slow down and back off o the issue, but he only got worse :p |
| 14:27.17 | Bagginsww | I thought was pretty kind about it |
| 14:27.27 | Ragestorm | Although Severin Andrews' recent complaint against me proved that I'm still a complete misanthrop. |
| 14:27.35 | Bagginsww | who is that? |
| 14:29.54 | Kirkburn|afk | This look familiar? http://warcraftwiki.pl/index.php/Strona_g%C5%82%C3%B3wna |
| 14:31.05 | Ose | hehe |
| 14:33.27 | Ragestorm | Incredibly. |
| 14:33.45 | Ragestorm | Is that Polish? |
| 14:33.55 | Ose | polski! |
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| 14:34.13 | Ragestorm | Better question: is that copyright infringement? |
| 14:34.19 | Ose | very simmilar to bork |
| 14:35.54 | Ragestorm | Even better question: Is that actually a picture of Tyrande? |
| 14:36.58 | Ragestorm | Oh, dear, they don't even have Malfurion's biography up yet. |
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| 14:39.43 | Kirkburn|afk | Yeah, it's copyright infringement if they haven't credited us (me :P ) |
| 14:40.06 | Adys_ | Kirk that design is horrible |
| 14:40.19 | pcj | lol |
| 14:40.31 | pcj | that's what i've been saying the whole time |
| 14:40.37 | Adys | seriously wtf guys |
| 14:41.03 | Adys | you're more likely to loose users with that. should know better :/ |
| 14:41.41 | Kirkburn|afk | Wikia needs revenue to survive Adys |
| 14:41.43 | Kirkburn|afk | Ragestorm, not really bothered though |
| 14:41.50 | Adys | lol Kirkburn |
| 14:41.52 | Adys | come on |
| 14:42.01 | Adys | with all the ads shown ALL over the place all over wikia |
| 14:42.07 | Ragestorm | not really bothered about what? |
| 14:42.08 | Adys | they still need to *survive* ? |
| 14:42.12 | Kirkburn|afk | Yes, Adys |
| 14:42.20 | Adys | well something is terribly wrong |
| 14:42.21 | Bagginsww | well ragestorm I just added half the index |
| 14:42.21 | Kirkburn|afk | Ragestorm, the copying |
| 14:42.22 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Shadows_%26_Light |
| 14:42.57 | Ragestorm | with luck that will help |
| 14:43.10 | Adys | seeing wikia's websites and visits you should be swimming in diamonds |
| 14:43.31 | Kirkburn|afk | If that were the case, we wouldn't be making these changes |
| 14:43.32 | Adys | if you're not, adding even more ads isnt gonna help |
| 14:43.35 | Kirkburn|afk | Banner ads don't pay well |
| 14:43.43 | Adys | cf village pump kirk |
| 14:44.34 | Adys | I dont know if all wikia is bsing you on their revenues or if they're just that awful at making money, but theres no way this is possible with decent management :) |
| 14:45.15 | pcj | well it is wikia we're talking about after all |
| 14:45.27 | Kirkburn|afk | Adys, are you even logged in? |
| 14:45.37 | Kirkburn|afk | Logged in users get one ad, and one alone |
| 14:45.44 | Adys | so? |
| 14:45.52 | Adys | its not a reason to throw all this stuff to anonymous users |
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| 14:47.28 | Kirkburn|afk | Adys, http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Wikia's_New_Style |
| 14:47.45 | Adys | ive seen this |
| 14:49.13 | Fisker- | set sail for fail Kirkburn|afk |
| 14:49.40 | Fisker- | stupid ea tards let fileplanet release the editor 24 hours before i can get it ;_; |
| 14:52.09 | Bagginsww | why does he have lo'gosh instead of goldgrinn... |
| 14:52.12 | Bagginsww | .... |
| 14:52.22 | Bagginsww | oh he listed both... |
| 14:52.51 | foxlit | Meh, content is largely GPL |
| 14:53.11 | foxlit | It's interesting that wikia doesn't provide dumps, though |
| 14:53.17 | Kirkburn|afk | We do |
| 14:53.43 | foxlit | oh? |
| 14:53.47 | Adys | Protip Kirkburn |
| 14:54.27 | Adys | open this url, watch the page for 3-4 seconds, then close your eyes and in your mind try to find the ads again |
| 14:54.28 | Adys | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&fkt=531&fsdt=5684&q=advertising&btnG=Google+Search |
| 14:54.44 | Kirkburn|afk | huh? |
| 14:54.56 | Kirkburn|afk | It's all over the damn shop |
| 14:55.03 | Dotted | Fisker- http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-689194118682834081 xD |
| 14:55.11 | Kirkburn|afk | What does that prove? That you want more of the wiki given over to ads? |
| 14:55.29 | Adys | No Kirkburn, its called smart placement |
| 14:55.41 | Adys | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=quantum+physics&btnG=Search |
| 14:55.43 | Adys | compare it here |
| 14:55.48 | Kirkburn|afk | If you want to suggest different placement, be my guest on that forum thread |
| 14:55.50 | Adys | Look at where the ads go |
| 14:56.03 | Adys | they go where there is *no* content, + a highlighted 2liner |
| 14:56.10 | Adys | they make millions out of that |
| 14:56.21 | Fisker- | old video is ooold Dotted |
| 14:56.36 | Dotted | fun video is fuuun Fisker- |
| 14:56.44 | Adys | monaco is broken in the first place if you want ads |
| 14:56.58 | foxlit | hrm |
| 14:57.05 | Kirkburn|afk | How would you do it differently with monobook? |
| 14:57.20 | foxlit | So there's a wowwiki database download somewhere? |
| 14:57.30 | Adys | monobook wouldnt be so good either, look at a reversed monaco with a smaller sidebar |
| 14:58.01 | Kirkburn|afk | Well, what's your point then? |
| 14:58.02 | Adys | you can easily place a thin text leaderboard above the content, which would pay well despite what you think |
| 14:58.16 | Adys | and up to two vertical banners on the right |
| 14:58.28 | Adys | the whole thing isn't bothersome in any way |
| 14:58.45 | Adys | 300x boxes in the middle of the content when half the pages on the wiki use this place IS bothersome |
| 14:58.50 | Kirkburn|afk | So ... like the banner ads we already had? |
| 14:58.56 | foxlit | There's http://wikistats.wikia.com/EN/ChartsWikiaWOWWIKI.htm |
| 14:59.18 | Adys | vertical banners on the left are a bad idea on LTR-language websites |
| 14:59.19 | foxlit | But that's rather disconnected from the topic |
| 14:59.31 | Adys | if you are interested by the content, you read the page |
| 14:59.49 | Adys | if you see ads "as you read", you're more likely to read them aswell |
| 14:59.59 | Adys | if you see ads before you read, you'll skip |
| 15:00.09 | Adys | if you see ads in the middle of the fucking text you find another website |
| 15:00.11 | Adys | simple no? |
| 15:00.21 | Kirkburn|afk | Yes, thanks |
| 15:00.33 | Kirkburn|afk | However, the ads are not in the middle of the text |
| 15:00.45 | Adys | ah yes sorry |
| 15:00.49 | Kirkburn|afk | One is a banner above the text, one is a box on the right |
| 15:00.53 | Adys | remind me how many items we have on the wiki? |
| 15:00.59 | Adys | something like 20000 ? |
| 15:01.18 | Adys | and like.. the tooltips, they go where the first 300x box goes, right? |
| 15:02.01 | Adys | you cant place ads in the content in a wiki |
| 15:02.02 | Adys | it removes freedom from the users |
| 15:02.02 | Kirkburn|afk | Adys, please, rhetorical questions are just annoying |
| 15:02.03 | Adys | so are your fucking ads |
| 15:02.04 | foxlit | Kirkburn|afk: for what it's worth, http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Database_download is the only reference I can find, and it's horribly broken |
| 15:02.12 | Kirkburn|afk | foxlit, sorry, yes, that's it |
| 15:02.30 | foxlit | You can't get us from there |
| 15:02.46 | Kirkburn|afk | Huh, well, you should be able to request it anyway |
| 15:03.29 | foxlit | or, wow, there's a difference between http://wowwiki.com and http://www.wowwiki.com :/ |
| 15:03.43 | Kirkburn|afk | Adys, your reasoning makes little sense ... you understand that we need ads "as you read", yet complain about them being in the content cause it's a wiki |
| 15:04.00 | Adys | No, i say put the sidebar on the right and put vertical banners in there |
| 15:04.04 | Adys | the page-content is no-no |
| 15:04.20 | Kirkburn|afk | That's how the Wikia monobook works |
| 15:04.43 | Adys | well then why dont you default it? |
| 15:04.52 | Kirkburn|afk | There's probably a reason against it, but I'm not sure what |
| 15:05.01 | Adys | broken common sense probably |
| 15:06.19 | Kirkburn|afk | I shall enquire |
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| 15:08.23 | sannse | Adys, this is about what Wikia can sell to advertisers... we need to have ad slots they actually /want to buy. Otherwise we won't sell enough for a good enough price, and we won't survive |
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| 15:08.35 | Kirkburn|afk | Regarding item pages, short pages do not have ads at all |
| 15:08.55 | Adys | sannse: advertise where it makes sense to advertise |
| 15:08.58 | Adys | lemme give you an example |
| 15:09.39 | sannse | Adys: if we can't sell sidebar ads for enough, it doesn't matter that they look better, we won't make the money that we need as a company |
| 15:10.03 | sannse | you and I may prefer them, the advertisers that we are trying to sell to simply don't. |
| 15:10.06 | Bibi | (people stopped buying skyscrapper 5 years ago anyway) |
| 15:10.56 | Adys | Are you dealing with eastern-russian advertisers exclusively or? |
| 15:11.03 | Adys | you got tons of popular websites |
| 15:11.28 | sannse | sure, which are worth nothing to advertisers if they don't belive their ads will be seen and have an effect |
| 15:12.01 | Adys | how can they believe their ad will be seen if you got 4 on the same page with the probability theirs will be 3 screens at the bottom? |
| 15:12.15 | sannse | we've tried to minimise the effect on editors and readers, but sadly the old look just won't work any more |
| 15:12.39 | sannse | the top ads will be the most valuable, and that will be guarenteed to people buying that slot |
| 15:12.53 | Kirkburn|afk | (We can target by location) |
| 15:12.55 | Adys | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=192 look at that, all three ads are guaranteed to be seen |
| 15:13.08 | Adys | even the one at the bottom since its a comment ad |
| 15:13.18 | Adys | and theres absolutely no effect on the readers |
| 15:13.27 | Kirkburn|afk | Do note they have much lower overheads than us |
| 15:13.41 | sannse | and those aren't the ads that our advertisers are asking for |
| 15:13.45 | Adys | they also seem to gain more money if what you tell me is true |
| 15:13.45 | foxlit | That's a business model issue, really |
| 15:14.02 | sannse | and remember we need controls for the wiki - where to all the links go? |
| 15:14.07 | foxlit | You're doomed to higher operating costs, inefficient code, and those pesky editors complaining about ads |
| 15:14.14 | Kirkburn|afk | foxlit, if Wikia was running a single website, it would help, yeah |
| 15:14.16 | Adys | sannse: tab bar? |
| 15:14.24 | Adys | or above-tab controls |
| 15:14.39 | Adys | besides the sidebar menus are hard to navigate thru |
| 15:14.50 | Kirkburn|afk | We have many different wikis with many different needs, which requires a larger staff |
| 15:14.53 | sannse | Adys: we tried to keep the interface as useful for editors as we can... Monaco does that well I think |
| 15:15.19 | Adys | thats probably the reason why so many editors switched to monobook hm? :P |
| 15:15.29 | Adys | Look |
| 15:15.39 | Adys | if you got high server costs, work on optimizing your code |
| 15:15.53 | Adys | seeing how badly it performs clientside makes me think serverside isnt much better |
| 15:16.01 | sannse | we do that too, and many other things to optimise the service |
| 15:16.16 | Kirkburn|afk | Adys, remember wiki content is continually changing |
| 15:16.31 | Adys | er what does that change? |
| 15:16.55 | Kirkburn|afk | That it's pretty hard to get that cost lower than it is already |
| 15:17.15 | sannse | a lot! every page load may have changed, so it can't be easily stored and re-served (although we do that with various tricks) |
| 15:17.35 | Adys | google seems to disagree with you Kirkburn |
| 15:17.37 | Kirkburn|afk | A huge amount of stuff is cached, but if it goes much further it'll actually degrade the usability (e.g. getting old versions of pages) |
| 15:17.52 | Adys | they got extremely good servers, but a lot is optimization |
| 15:18.16 | Kirkburn|afk | But they are not running MediaWiki |
| 15:18.34 | Adys | pages.google.com |
| 15:18.34 | Kirkburn|afk | And Wikia does not primarily develop MediaWiki |
| 15:18.36 | Adys | http://base.google.com/ |
| 15:18.47 | Adys | why not? |
| 15:18.53 | Adys | you use it |
| 15:19.03 | Adys | investing in it is a good idea |
| 15:19.13 | Kirkburn|afk | How would the community react is Wikia started taking over development of it? |
| 15:19.17 | Kirkburn|afk | *if |
| 15:19.22 | Adys | taking over wth? :P |
| 15:19.25 | foxlit | The community wouldn't care |
| 15:19.32 | foxlit | Assuming wikia is competent :) |
| 15:19.40 | Adys | aye |
| 15:19.50 | Adys | and assuming its not "we buy mediawiki and do our own stuff" |
| 15:19.55 | Adys | but "we help the project" |
| 15:20.01 | foxlit | It's not like it's "zomg, stop changing my open source code!" |
| 15:20.07 | Adys | yeah |
| 15:20.55 | sannse | we put code back to the mediawiki project, and we work to optimise what we are using... that's all part of what we spend time and money on |
| 15:21.18 | Adys | implement different caching techniques |
| 15:21.21 | Adys | cache splitting |
| 15:21.22 | Kirkburn|afk | MediaWiki cannot neccesarily being optimized much further anyway |
| 15:21.28 | Kirkburn|afk | *be |
| 15:21.35 | Adys | yeah thats what they said about cars in 1920 |
| 15:21.41 | Kirkburn|afk | It's designed for Wikipedia and so a lot of the development is based on optimization |
| 15:21.43 | foxlit | Kirk, your opinion on technical issues is invaluable :) |
| 15:21.45 | sannse | again, all this is stuff that our technical guys know about and will do it it's suitable for our systems |
| 15:22.26 | Kirkburn|afk | foxlit, I /know/ that MW is designed for extremely high load |
| 15:22.31 | sannse | and none of it change that we need to have a viable way of making money... which means changes to the ads |
| 15:22.52 | foxlit | Yet you're extrapolating that it cannot be optimized much further based on... |
| 15:23.15 | Kirkburn|afk | Because it's what they've been doing for several years |
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| 15:23.40 | Kirkburn|afk | There's only so much you can do |
| 15:23.58 | Kirkburn|afk | Perhaps there is radical improvements to be made, but on the balance of probability, I wouldn't bet on it |
| 15:24.20 | foxlit | Again, invaluable opinion :) |
| 15:24.42 | Adys | lol |
| 15:25.00 | Adys | it takes a day to a good developer to come up with optimization for his code |
| 15:25.00 | pcj | as baggins would say, {{fact}} |
| 15:25.11 | foxlit | I'm inclined to believe sannse, though; whether or not MW is opimal isn't really the issue - it isn't, and it can't be, by design. |
| 15:25.22 | Kirkburn|afk | Indeed, foxlit |
| 15:26.18 | foxlit | But that just means that ultimately, wiki will lose out. |
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| 15:26.28 | Kirkburn|afk | We absolutely want ideas and suggestions, but please - do not assume we haven't looked at them already |
| 15:26.48 | Adys | what Im going to assume is |
| 15:26.55 | Adys | you guys throw stuff away too fast |
| 15:27.08 | Kirkburn|afk | How do you mean? |
| 15:27.25 | Adys | "If its not possible now it means its not possible" |
| 15:27.41 | Adys | look up suggestions more than twice and think about ways to make it possible |
| 15:27.50 | sannse | no, if it's not possible now, it's not possible now... and now is when we need to make changes :) |
| 15:28.02 | Adys | here is one: deal with better advertisers. what's this bollocks about leaderboard not selling well? |
| 15:28.10 | Adys | id pay tons to have a leaderboard for my website on ww |
| 15:28.11 | Kirkburn|afk | Though this change may seem sudden (something we're going to try to avoid in future), it has been discussed at length internally. |
| 15:28.29 | Kirkburn|afk | Adys, you're also not running a business, nor deal with advertisers |
| 15:28.33 | sannse | dealing with better advertisers is what this is all about |
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| 15:28.51 | Adys | do you really think Im not serious? |
| 15:28.59 | Adys | theres something broken in your management |
| 15:29.11 | Adys | Im not a wikia employee and i cant know what, but there is |
| 15:29.38 | Kirkburn|afk | I didn't say that, but I would suggest not preaching as you are not as experienced in the business as others |
| 15:30.19 | Adys | "Im not saying you dont have experience, just saying you suck" |
| 15:30.41 | Kirkburn|afk | I'm glad we're clear there :P |
| 15:30.49 | pcj | o sht |
| 15:30.52 | Adys | I was talking about you |
| 15:30.59 | Kirkburn|afk | I know |
| 15:30.59 | pcj | i was talking about ur mom |
| 15:31.14 | Adys | also, this is something I honestly care about just because of the community |
| 15:31.21 | Kirkburn|afk | Wikia doesn't /want/ to annoy the users, but unfortunately the ad business has put us in this position |
| 15:31.33 | Adys | i dont get money off wowwiki and neither does any other user in this channel bar you |
| 15:32.01 | Kirkburn|afk | WoWWiki is a very small part of my job, most of my time on WoWWiki is not as an employee, nor paid |
| 15:32.15 | Kirkburn|afk | I love the community, it's why I work for Wikia |
| 15:32.25 | sannse | points out she is also wikia staff |
| 15:32.31 | Adys | ya sannse I know :P |
| 15:32.35 | Adys | talking about the ww users |
| 15:32.59 | Adys | Kirkburn|afk: that doesnt really make sense now does it? :P |
| 15:33.12 | Kirkburn|afk | It does to me, which is what counts ;) |
| 15:33.25 | Adys | "I love the community so I work for an enterprise where I have to put my priorities into the enterprise even at the cost of annoying the community" |
| 15:33.45 | Kirkburn|afk | ... in order to allow the community to continue to exist |
| 15:33.57 | Adys | think long term |
| 15:34.11 | Kirkburn|afk | We absolutely are |
| 15:34.12 | sannse | again, that's the poitn :) |
| 15:34.18 | sannse | or even the point |
| 15:34.43 | sannse | has to move on... busy day ;) |
| 15:34.47 | Kirkburn|afk | We could not make these changes, and for a while, Wikia could pootle on ... but it would eventually fail |
| 15:34.51 | Adys_ | investing in mediawiki, or even a new wiki backend or a fork, is long term |
| 15:35.16 | Kirkburn|afk | That's assuming that would be a valid investment |
| 15:35.36 | Adys | its up to your good techies to determine that |
| 15:35.55 | Kirkburn|afk | Indeed, and they are part of the decision making |
| 15:35.56 | Adys | if its not, then invest into a new backend |
| 15:36.27 | Kirkburn|afk | If they thought that would help, we would be doing it |
| 15:37.03 | Adys | in five years, either you'll run mediawiki, or you'll run another backend (or you wont exist anymore, which I hope for you it wont happen) |
| 15:37.16 | Kirkburn|afk | I hope for all of us it won't |
| 15:37.35 | Adys | so either you invest in mediawiki, or you invest into another backend |
| 15:37.51 | Adys | the faster you get things done the less costs you'll have if it works out |
| 15:38.36 | Kirkburn|afk | Agreed, but it again goes from the assumption there's massive improvements to be made in MediaWiki |
| 15:38.55 | Adys | there is |
| 15:38.59 | Daedals | has Gryph been here lately? |
| 15:39.00 | Adys | caching is done pagewide still |
| 15:39.07 | Adys | ~seen gryphen |
| 15:39.28 | infobot | gryphen <n=gryphon@71.216.187.10> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowwiki, 6d 18h 48m 24s ago, saying: 'not really Ose. It's not related to WoWWiki in any way other than hosting. It's just edit what you know.'. |
| 15:39.28 | Kirkburn|afk | Daedals, he's busy outside of WoW from what I recall |
| 15:39.39 | Daedals | kk |
| 15:39.47 | Daedals | I would have asked about his logo |
| 15:39.47 | Ose | lolz |
| 15:39.59 | pcj | there are definitely optimizations needing to be made to mediawiki |
| 15:40.33 | Daedals | because I need a logo for "my" wiki ^ |
| 15:40.39 | Daedals | * ^^ |
| 15:41.18 | Kirkburn|afk | If you want help with a wiki logo, JoePlay might be able to help (assuming it's on Wikia) |
| 15:41.43 | Daedals | I would have asked if I could use a logo he made for the logo contest thingy |
| 15:41.55 | Daedals | because I really like him |
| 15:42.08 | Daedals | lol him |
| 15:42.15 | Kirkburn|afk | Grypphen made one? Linky! |
| 15:42.16 | Daedals | I mean I really like the logo :D |
| 15:42.34 | Adys_ | I think hes talking about the logo vote we had a year and half ago |
| 15:42.39 | Adys_ | gryphen's logowas nice |
| 15:42.42 | Daedals | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:WoWWiki_Icon_Folkard.png |
| 15:42.50 | Kirkburn|afk | I know, I don't recall it that's all |
| 15:43.00 | Adys_ | oO |
| 15:43.07 | Kirkburn|afk | The logo, Adys :P |
| 15:43.09 | Daedals | because Im making a wowwiki localization |
| 15:43.11 | Kirkburn|afk | Not the compo :) |
| 15:43.13 | Adys_ | ah lol |
| 15:43.30 | Kirkburn|afk | Try leaving him a message on his talk page |
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| 15:43.40 | Kirkburn|afk | Welcome back Ragestorm |
| 15:43.55 | Adys_ | also |
| 15:44.02 | Ragestorm | Not for long, I've got to take of in a few. |
| 15:44.09 | Adys_ | unrelated but why the plain grey background behind the wowwiki logo? |
| 15:44.18 | Adys_ | the stripes were nice |
| 15:45.27 | foxlit | still there for me on wowwiki |
| 15:45.29 | Daedals | :P why did they change the monaco skin again |
| 15:46.10 | Kirkburn|afk | Adys, since the grey stripe was already there |
| 15:46.19 | Daedals | btw, Im new at wikia, I want to know where I can modify the main css of the skin? |
| 15:46.28 | Adys_ | er |
| 15:46.29 | Kirkburn|afk | Could probably alter it to have a light pinstripe effect |
| 15:46.36 | foxlit | Mediawiki:skinname.css |
| 15:46.46 | foxlit | possibly with a capital W |
| 15:46.52 | Daedals | ok thanks |
| 15:46.53 | Kirkburn|afk | MediaWiki:Common.css |
| 15:47.17 | Daedals | becuse there is some error there, the forumheader div is white, should be grey |
| 15:47.37 | Kirkburn|afk | You're using the wowwiki skin? |
| 15:47.47 | Daedals | im using monaco gaming |
| 15:47.51 | Kirkburn|afk | Ah, yeah |
| 15:48.07 | Kirkburn|afk | Gaming is not perfect |
| 15:48.29 | Kirkburn|afk | Try MediaWiki:Common.css, or edit the forum template |
| 15:49.37 | Daedals | thx, I found it |
| 15:49.39 | Adys_ | afk |
| 15:58.04 | Kirkburn|afk | Daedals, if no luck with Gryphon, I do still suggest JoePlay - he's somewhat our resident logo guy, you can find him on central |
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| 15:58.46 | Kirkburn|afk | Taking off, are we Ragestorm? :P |
| 15:58.50 | Daedals | kk I sent an email to gryph |
| 15:59.29 | Ragestorm | Kirkburn|afk, not all of us have the luxury of working for wikia and having irc in the office. |
| 15:59.39 | Ragestorm | :D |
| 15:59.46 | ralf-x_ | why not? |
| 15:59.51 | Kirkburn|afk | giggles at the idea of working in an office |
| 16:00.20 | Kirkburn|afk | Sorry, yes, I am very fortunate in that respect |
| 16:00.29 | sannse | pines for a office |
| 16:00.39 | Kirkburn|afk | pines for the fjords |
| 16:00.52 | sannse | *g* |
| 16:00.53 | Kirkburn|afk | Actually I was wrong earlier, Gryph's not here because he's playing WoW a lot :P |
| 16:00.53 | Ragestorm | Thus, I have to work for a living in a warren of tunnels that would make the Minotaur pine for home. |
| 16:01.25 | Kirkburn|afk | Can I call you Moley? |
| 16:01.43 | Ragestorm | No. |
| 16:01.47 | Kirkburn|afk | Okay. |
| 16:02.09 | Kirkburn|afk | Can I call you Toad? |
| 16:02.32 | Ragestorm | No, |
| 16:02.44 | Ragestorm | See a theme, here, boss? |
| 16:02.51 | Kirkburn|afk | Mebbe :P |
| 16:03.37 | Ragestorm | I don't work with zoological specimens |
| 16:04.02 | Kirkburn|afk | I think you play the wrong game and work on the wrong wiki ;) |
| 16:04.21 | Ragestorm | Well, apart from you guys, obviously. |
| 16:04.26 | Ragestorm | :D |
| 16:04.27 | Kirkburn|afk | :) |
| 16:04.41 | Kirkburn|afk | Where are you working? |
| 16:05.00 | Ragestorm | http://amnh.org/ |
| 16:05.15 | Ragestorm | I'm Special Research anthropology. |
| 16:06.02 | Kirkburn|afk | What's the tunnels then? Storage stuff? |
| 16:06.32 | Ragestorm | Mostly. |
| 16:06.48 | Ragestorm | Our nickname is "the world's attic" |
| 16:06.52 | Kirkburn|afk | There's always so much interesting stuff hidden away in museums |
| 16:06.56 | Kirkburn|afk | lol |
| 16:07.03 | Ragestorm | Even we don't know everything hidden within. |
| 16:07.29 | Kirkburn|afk | I can('t) imagine! |
| 16:07.40 | Ragestorm | We have several thousand artifacts and specimens on public display, which accounts for 1% of our total collection. |
| 16:07.54 | Kirkburn|afk | I recall the British Museum has something similar |
| 16:08.16 | Kirkburn|afk | Noting the name of yours, it's the premier one in the US? |
| 16:08.28 | Ragestorm | Mostly |
| 16:08.56 | Ragestorm | We deal with mostly the same fields as the Natural History Museum in London, plus world culture |
| 16:09.19 | pcj | Premier natural history museum you mean? |
| 16:09.19 | Kirkburn|afk | It's been far too long since I've been to the Natural history Museum, used to go a lot when I was young |
| 16:09.25 | Kirkburn|afk | Along with the Science Museum |
| 16:10.18 | Ragestorm | We do Paleontology, Entymology, Mammology, Ichyology, Anthropology, Geology, Oceanography, and Astrophysics, among others. |
| 16:10.25 | pcj | I would say the Smithsonian would probably be the nation's premier museum |
| 16:10.36 | Kirkburn|afk | I'm in that annoying period when your parents can't take you any more, and I can't drag your girlfriend along as an excuse :P |
| 16:10.44 | Kirkburn|afk | er */my/ girlfriend |
| 16:11.14 | Ragestorm | The pair of you can meet halfway in NY. Would probably be too expensive. |
| 16:11.29 | Ragestorm | ANyway, I'm late, so we'll continue this later. |
| 16:11.31 | Kirkburn|afk | At the moment yeah :P One day! |
| 16:11.34 | Kirkburn|afk | Have a good day |
| 16:11.37 | Ragestorm | Don't go mad. |
| 16:11.44 | Ragestorm | Oops, too late. |
| 16:11.48 | Kirkburn|afk | I'll ... try? |
| 16:11.51 | Kirkburn|afk | ooga booga booga |
| 16:15.06 | pcj | we should just make {{Tooltip}} generate a one-line text ad at the bottom of every item |
| 16:15.12 | pcj | product placement, don't you know |
| 16:16.20 | Adys_ | lol |
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| 16:16.42 | Adys_ | "Buy this item on ..." ! |
| 16:17.41 | Kirkburn|afk | Which would link to a page called "Your mom", of course |
| 16:17.51 | Kirkburn|afk | Alternating with "In my pants" |
| 16:18.50 | pcj | that's part of the problem, you never take suggestions seriously |
| 16:21.53 | winkiller | anyone knoes how generic +spell damage greens are called |
| 16:22.14 | Kirkburn|afk | pcj, sorry :( |
| 16:22.25 | pcj | what do you mean winkiller |
| 16:22.26 | Kirkburn|afk | I didn't think you were being serious |
| 16:22.36 | pcj | oh |
| 16:22.40 | pcj | probably of the sorcerer |
| 16:23.02 | pcj | winkiller: http://www.wowwiki.com/Item_suffix |
| 16:23.04 | Kirkburn|afk | Given our size, it remains possible for us to have specific stuff, if it works |
| 16:33.24 | winkiller | pcj: thanks! |
| 16:33.30 | winkiller | exactly what I needed |
| 16:34.45 | *** join/#wowwiki fsuelzle (n=pasmero@dslb-088-066-247-212.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 16:45.16 | *** join/#wowwiki Gryphen (n=gryphon@71.216.187.10) |
| 16:45.16 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+o Gryphen] by ChanServ |
| 16:45.55 | pcj | <Daedals> has Gryph been here lately? |
| 16:45.58 | pcj | ping ping ping |
| 16:46.56 | Gryphen | he caught me by email, thx |
| 16:48.26 | *** join/#wowwiki fLUx_ (n=dontbugm@87-127-82-137.no-dns-yet.enta.net) |
| 16:49.49 | fLUx_ | hey, wondering if somebody could recomend a realm for our guild......been looking but cant find one which looks alright, EU, PvP, decent amount of players, nice ratio of ally/horde - anyone got a suggestion? |
| 16:50.19 | Gryphen | they are all going to be similar |
| 16:50.39 | fLUx_ | oh and english - just been on warsong, trade was full of russian only! |
| 16:51.47 | Gryphen | language stuff for EU i dont know much about, but for amount of players, horde ratios and such they are going to be close to the same |
| 16:52.45 | *** join/#wowwiki Lin (n=igormorg@unaffiliated/lincity) |
| 16:52.47 | fLUx_ | ah OK cool, thanks, I'll go look ;) |
| 16:54.59 | ralf-x_ | idk |
| 16:55.03 | ralf-x_ | Elune is mostly ally |
| 16:58.41 | Daedals | huh someone highlighted? I wowling so I didnt notice |
| 16:59.20 | Daedals | pcj? |
| 16:59.23 | pcj | what |
| 16:59.32 | *** join/#wowwiki Kalroth (n=kalroth@3908ds1-hj.0.fullrate.dk) |
| 16:59.49 | Daedals | "ping ping ping" |
| 16:59.56 | pcj | gryphen showed up |
| 17:00.02 | Daedals | ooo :D |
| 17:00.46 | Daedals | ill check my mail |
| 17:01.03 | Daedals | :D thank Gryph |
| 17:01.06 | Daedals | thanks* |
| 17:01.08 | Gryphen | np |
| 17:04.08 | kd3 | ...why is the main page only showing the banner ad and not the box off to the right? |
| 17:05.44 | pcj | heh |
| 17:05.53 | pcj | ose has been complaining about it to kirkburn for several hours now |
| 17:06.00 | pcj | i personally don't see either |
| 17:06.03 | Ose | hehe |
| 17:06.25 | kd3 | meh, I deliberately turned off adblock to make sure everything's looking ok |
| 17:06.30 | pcj | why is http://www.spreadfirefox.com/ down |
| 17:06.37 | kd3 | they're getting ddosed? |
| 17:06.38 | Kirkburn|afk | pcj, I cannot imagine ... |
| 17:06.53 | kd3 | 3.0 release happened 6 minutes ago |
| 17:06.57 | Kirkburn|afk | Will report the ad "issue" |
| 17:07.00 | Kirkburn|afk | :P |
| 17:07.46 | Kirkburn|afk | It is a bit odd |
| 17:08.02 | *** join/#wowwiki Taurmindo (i=taurmind@c-b590e355.025-73-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 17:08.32 | Kirkburn|afk | It's just showing the banner, right, never a box? |
| 17:08.45 | Dotted | wtf Kirkburn|afk |
| 17:08.51 | Dotted | no fx3 |
| 17:09.01 | kd3 | I've been refreshing the front page a few times a minute for about 10 now |
| 17:09.04 | kd3 | never |
| 17:09.10 | Kirkburn|afk | Okay, thanks |
| 17:09.58 | Kirkburn|afk | Another update, the search box searches the main, project, guild and server namespaces by default now |
| 17:11.08 | Kirkburn|afk | "Unable to reach Google Mail" o_O |
| 17:12.32 | Dotted | Unable to mail Google!! |
| 17:12.37 | Kirkburn|afk | :O |
| 17:12.41 | pcj | i'm having problems getting to mozilla.com, anyone else experiencing this problem |
| 17:12.48 | Dotted | Attachment too big :( |
| 17:12.52 | kd3 | yah. I expect most of the net is right now |
| 17:12.57 | Kirkburn|afk | Just confirmed the search box change :) |
| 17:13.02 | kd3 | I got it to load but it was still showing fx2 on the front page |
| 17:14.31 | *** join/#wowwiki Keolah (n=zenkeola@71-210-184-129.mpls.qwest.net) |
| 17:16.30 | Kirkburn|afk | In the meantime, watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDSLUCEy-R4&sdig=1 |
| 17:17.34 | Kirkburn|afk | I know what I'm going to be doing on Sunday 22nd June 2008, at 11.45pm. |
| 17:18.44 | Dotted | Kirkburn|afk lol a singing spore creature! |
| 17:25.14 | Fisker- | slaps Dotted around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:25.19 | Fisker- | i hate you Dotted |
| 17:25.23 | Fisker- | and what will you be doing Kirkburn|afk ? |
| 17:25.35 | Dotted | seeing the show you fucking nub |
| 17:26.18 | Fisker- | fuck you i'm a dragon |
| 17:27.59 | pcj | ur moms a dragon |
| 17:28.39 | *** join/#wowwiki Malgayne (n=Malgayne@cpe-66-75-244-175.san.res.rr.com) |
| 17:28.39 | Kirkburn|afk | in my pants! |
| 17:28.54 | *** part/#wowwiki Malgayne (n=Malgayne@cpe-66-75-244-175.san.res.rr.com) |
| 17:28.58 | g0urra | i r back |
| 17:29.18 | g0urra | Kirkburn|afk, appearantly you pinged me with this: |
| 17:29.19 | g0urra | <Kirkburn|afk> There's always so much interesting stuff hidden away in museums |
| 17:29.28 | Kirkburn|afk | err |
| 17:29.52 | pcj | well don't have such a stupid nick |
| 17:30.00 | g0urra | yeah I just noticed. |
| 17:30.11 | Kirkburn|afk | eh? |
| 17:30.15 | Fisker- | "fuck you i'm a dragon" cannot be countered pcj |
| 17:30.19 | pcj | * away is now known as g0urra |
| 17:30.20 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh, "away" |
| 17:30.24 | Kirkburn|afk | >_> |
| 17:30.37 | pcj | too bad fisker i just did |
| 17:31.24 | g0urra | I must have been in such a rush that I typed "/nick away" instead of "/away" |
| 17:31.38 | Kirkburn|afk | Easily done ..... |
| 17:31.49 | pcj | not really |
| 17:32.09 | Kirkburn|afk | So, who's up for my changing the sitenotice to say "goddamit, go get Firefox 3" |
| 17:32.24 | Kirkburn|afk | pcj, I did add 5 periods :P |
| 17:32.31 | Fisker- | i'm not |
| 17:32.35 | Kirkburn|afk | Did you not get my quizzical look from that? :) |
| 17:33.03 | pcj | kirkburn http://www.wowwiki.com/Bigstackstwo_Facts |
| 17:33.42 | Kirkburn|afk | Dude ... 1 minute |
| 17:33.57 | Kirkburn|afk | One minute between him adding {{silly}}, and you marking it |
| 17:34.07 | pcj | Uh, it doesn't belong there kirkburn |
| 17:34.09 | pcj | Look at the name |
| 17:34.26 | Daedals | btw, does wowhead have and irc channel? |
| 17:34.28 | pcj | yes |
| 17:34.29 | pcj | #wowhead |
| 17:34.32 | Daedals | :D ok |
| 17:34.36 | pcj | look at User:Bigstackstwo/Bigstackstwo Facts |
| 17:34.42 | pcj | delete the main namespace one kirkburn |
| 17:34.44 | pcj | it's not hard |
| 17:34.49 | Kirkburn|afk | As much as I applaud your enthusiasm, it was only one minute since the move too! |
| 17:35.02 | pcj | he recreated it |
| 17:35.16 | Kirkburn|afk | He may have already been on the edit screen |
| 17:35.37 | Kirkburn|afk | Anyway, yeah, I'll remove |
| 17:35.39 | pcj | An entire minute just for {{silly}}? |
| 17:37.32 | Kirkburn|afk | This goes to g0urra too ... there's no need to take action quite so quickly |
| 17:38.19 | Kirkburn|afk | Even an extra minute or two helps, cause new users can get weirded out otherwise |
| 17:39.26 | sacarasc | pfft |
| 17:39.33 | sacarasc | firefox 3 can suck it |
| 17:39.33 | *** join/#wowwiki dJe781 (n=dje781@ves78-1-89-85-60-113.dsl.club-internet.fr) |
| 17:39.41 | Kirkburn|afk | :O |
| 17:39.48 | ralf-x_ | don't be mad |
| 17:40.22 | sacarasc | needing gtk2 2.10 is just silly |
| 17:40.30 | ralf-x_ | oh yea? |
| 17:40.53 | sacarasc | yeah, making me have to upgrade my really old stuff, just silly! |
| 17:40.59 | ralf-x_ | totally silly! |
| 17:41.11 | ralf-x_ | new browsers needing new libraries! ridiculous! |
| 17:42.28 | sacarasc | if i upgrade stuff, i'll probably break everything, that's why i don't ;D |
| 17:42.47 | ralf-x_ | you fail for running lunix |
| 17:42.57 | ralf-x_ | *on your desktop |
| 17:44.18 | sacarasc | yeah, well i can't afford a mac |
| 17:44.26 | ralf-x_ | double fail! |
| 17:44.29 | ralf-x_ | stop being poor |
| 17:44.32 | sacarasc | and there is no third choice |
| 17:44.32 | ralf-x_ | dailies are so easy to do now |
| 17:44.38 | ralf-x_ | go farm gold |
| 17:44.40 | sacarasc | hah |
| 17:50.47 | kd3 | lol, getfirefox got ddosed off the net... Http/1.1 Service Unavailable |
| 17:50.56 | kd3 | so did mozilla.com |
| 17:51.06 | Fisker- | awesome |
| 17:51.10 | Fisker- | only one left |
| 17:51.15 | JohnMahowald | Which amounts to the same Mozilla server. |
| 17:51.16 | Fisker- | my plan is going as planned |
| 17:51.43 | kd3 | crap... wine just released 1.0 today too |
| 17:51.48 | kd3 | all of my stuff's getting slashdotted |
| 17:52.06 | Kirkburn|afk | New nVidia forceware drivers are out btw |
| 17:52.33 | Kirkburn|afk | Good thing I have Fx3 RC2, since it's the same as final :P |
| 17:52.48 | kd3 | yeah, but it doesn't count for the download record |
| 17:53.53 | Fisker- | because it's sooooo important |
| 17:54.20 | Fisker- | if their attempt were to fail it would be the end of the firefox religion |
| 17:54.48 | kd3 | har. they'v got the download urls in #firefox. at least the mirrors are still working |
| 17:55.55 | Fisker- | also Kirkburn|afk |
| 17:56.05 | Fisker- | noone has the geforce 200 series anyways |
| 17:56.06 | Fisker- | :( |
| 17:56.12 | *** join/#wowwiki Tekkub (n=tekkub@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/Tekkub) |
| 17:56.12 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+o Tekkub] by ChanServ |
| 17:59.26 | *** join/#wowwiki Kirochi (i=Kirochi@78.113.166.94) |
| 17:59.33 | Kirochi | heeeey |
| 17:59.36 | Kirochi | heeeey babyyy |
| 17:59.37 | Kirochi | ooh |
| 17:59.39 | Kirochi | aah |
| 17:59.42 | Kirochi | I wanna knoooooow |
| 17:59.45 | Kirochi | if you be my girl |
| 18:02.02 | Kirochi | hey |
| 18:02.12 | Kirochi | I really thought wikia was kiddins |
| 18:02.14 | ralf-x_ | sup! |
| 18:02.15 | Kirochi | kidding |
| 18:02.25 | Kirochi | the new ad placement made me throw up |
| 18:02.26 | Kirochi | twice |
| 18:02.30 | Kirochi | sup ralf |
| 18:03.54 | pcj | spam |
| 18:04.41 | pcj | http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/?p=downloadday wtf |
| 18:04.44 | pcj | still says fx2 |
| 18:04.54 | pcj | guess i'll set it to reload every 5 seconds |
| 18:05.56 | ralf-x_ | yes keep refreshing |
| 18:05.58 | ralf-x_ | DDoS moar |
| 18:06.29 | Kirochi | maybe firefox 3 is not ready yet |
| 18:06.39 | Kirochi | maybe it only will come out when it's done |
| 18:06.46 | ralf-x_ | ... |
| 18:07.07 | Kirkburn|afk | Fx3 RC2 is identical to final for Linux and Windows users :P |
| 18:07.29 | pcj | except it says fx3 rc2 in the about dialog |
| 18:07.43 | Kirkburn|afk | Yes, I may update later just for that :P |
| 18:07.56 | Kirkburn|afk | But I ain't DDOSing a website for it ;) |
| 18:07.56 | Fisker- | YARRR |
| 18:08.02 | Fisker- | ddos moar |
| 18:08.17 | foxlit | They want you to, you fool :) |
| 18:08.32 | ralf-x_ | "but they said..." |
| 18:08.34 | Fisker- | ? |
| 18:08.36 | Kirkburn|afk | ooh, new forceware has "Adds beta support Folding@home distributing computing application. |
| 18:08.36 | Kirkburn|afk | " |
| 18:08.46 | Fisker- | why would they want us to ddos it? |
| 18:08.51 | Kirkburn|afk | God I hate hidden newline characters |
| 18:08.52 | Fisker- | Kirkburn|afk ONLY GEFORCE 200 SERIES ;_; |
| 18:08.53 | foxlit | while 1 do wget("firefox3 > /dev/null"); realy |
| 18:08.53 | Kirochi | oo shiny |
| 18:08.55 | Kirochi | KIRKBURN |
| 18:09.05 | Kirochi | TELL ME WE'RE MOVING FROM WIKIA |
| 18:09.11 | Fisker- | foxlit 1. ip adresses 2. ddos'ing doesn't mean downloading |
| 18:09.24 | Fisker- | also |
| 18:09.28 | Fisker- | where's my damn sniper video? |
| 18:09.31 | pcj | Http/1.1 Service Unavailable |
| 18:09.32 | pcj | yay |
| 18:09.37 | Fisker- | high fives pcj |
| 18:09.51 | ralf-x_ | rofl |
| 18:10.09 | Kirkburn|afk | Fisker-, what is this 200 series anyway? |
| 18:10.31 | Fisker- | the new cards being released here this month |
| 18:10.38 | pcj | no its back |
| 18:10.43 | pcj | and it still says fx2 |
| 18:10.50 | pcj | hmm wonder if i can specify custom 1s refresh |
| 18:11.01 | Fisker- | i'll go do that as well |
| 18:11.05 | pcj | yep |
| 18:11.13 | Kirkburn|afk | Fisker-, yes, but new gen? |
| 18:11.16 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 18:11.23 | Fisker- | we must strike down the infidels |
| 18:11.34 | g0urra | They must be purified! |
| 18:12.22 | Fisker- | move every zig |
| 18:12.27 | *** join/#wowwiki dJe781`Aw (n=dje781@ves78-1-89-85-60-113.dsl.club-internet.fr) |
| 18:12.39 | ralf-x_ | you know what you doing?! |
| 18:13.16 | Kyrin | Anyone need a Firefox 3 mirror? |
| 18:13.20 | g0urra | Mograine has fallen? You shall pay for this treachery! |
| 18:13.32 | Kyrin | I have both the win32 and mac versions mirrored |
| 18:13.34 | ralf-x_ | Kyrin: yes plox; i want to ddos |
| 18:13.44 | kd3 | Windows: http://snurl.com/2jxqw | OS X: http://snurl.com/2jxv2 | Linux: http://snurl.com/2jxqv |
| 18:13.46 | Kyrin | =( |
| 18:13.46 | pcj | kyrin does it count for the guiness record |
| 18:13.52 | kd3 | ^ from #firefox |
| 18:13.56 | Kyrin | pcj: no |
| 18:13.59 | pcj | fail |
| 18:14.02 | ralf-x_ | wtf |
| 18:14.07 | ralf-x_ | you know I have to say |
| 18:14.15 | ralf-x_ | it's kinda idiotic of them to go for a world record |
| 18:14.23 | ralf-x_ | without knowing their web servers can handle the load :P |
| 18:14.31 | Kirkburn|afk | snurl? That's a new one ,,, |
| 18:14.33 | Kyrin | kd3: that that link count towards the record? |
| 18:14.39 | kd3 | es |
| 18:14.41 | kd3 | yes* |
| 18:14.42 | Kyrin | k |
| 18:14.59 | Kyrin | ah, nice, it's the proper random mirror |
| 18:16.45 | Kirochi | DUN CLIK ITZ A KEYLOGGER |
| 18:17.12 | ralf-x_ | ahahaahaha |
| 18:17.22 | ralf-x_ | OH NOSE AM HAXED UP NAO :( :( |
| 18:17.22 | Kirkburn|afk | Kirochi, have you been on the sweeteners? |
| 18:17.24 | g0urra | roflolmao |
| 18:17.25 | ralf-x_ | D: |
| 18:18.24 | Kirkburn|afk | Whilst you all go crazy, Im slowing down. Methinks sleep is approaching |
| 18:18.35 | ralf-x_ | OMG FF# |
| 18:18.40 | ralf-x_ | *peeeeeeen* |
| 18:19.02 | Kirochi | sweetener=pussy coffee sugar? |
| 18:19.19 | ralf-x_ | idk why I got ff3 |
| 18:19.21 | Kirkburn|afk | Yeah, sugar, baby. |
| 18:19.24 | Kirkburn|afk | Fx, not FF. |
| 18:19.44 | pcj | heh firefox software update from fx3 doesn't work; AUS: Update XML File Malformed (200) |
| 18:19.58 | ralf-x_ | whatever |
| 18:20.00 | ralf-x_ | FF |
| 18:20.02 | ralf-x_ | screw you |
| 18:20.08 | ralf-x_ | and also DM = deadmines |
| 18:20.10 | Kirochi | I hatez u |
| 18:20.12 | ralf-x_ | I don't care what you say |
| 18:20.17 | Kirochi | dm=dire maul |
| 18:20.22 | ralf-x_ | nope! |
| 18:20.27 | Kirochi | ya |
| 18:20.51 | ralf-x_ | you all fail |
| 18:21.14 | g0urra | DMVC = Deadmines kthx |
| 18:21.23 | ralf-x_ | dafux |
| 18:22.29 | Kirkburn|afk | kd3, you linked the enUS version I guess? |
| 18:23.02 | Kirkburn|afk | pcj, well yeah, the servers are crying |
| 18:23.23 | Kirkburn|afk | will probably have to wait for enGB |
| 18:23.34 | kd3 | kirk; ya |
| 18:23.40 | Fisker- | lol |
| 18:24.02 | Fisker- | my linux box just frose in a ls command :( |
| 18:24.04 | pcj | nub, enUS is superior |
| 18:24.15 | Kirkburn|afk | No way, mine says "Fonts & Colours" |
| 18:24.26 | *** join/#wowwiki A|sleepies (n=Aloysius@d54C07D6B.access.telenet.be) |
| 18:24.55 | kd3 | maybe the download mirror was smart and handed you a enGB link? |
| 18:25.10 | pcj | that just means you have to download 1 more byte |
| 18:25.20 | ralf-x_ | lol |
| 18:26.11 | Fisker- | btw |
| 18:26.12 | Fisker- | kd3 |
| 18:26.16 | Fisker- | you should see this thread |
| 18:26.26 | Fisker- | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=4520842297&sid=1 |
| 18:27.20 | Fisker- | Tasks: 3841 total |
| 18:27.23 | Fisker- | that's a lot of wget |
| 18:28.32 | kd3 | eesh |
| 18:29.54 | Dotted | http://www.spreadfirefox.com/en-US/worldrecord/ <- 500k downloads of something you cant download yet. GZ! |
| 18:30.43 | Fisker- | good job |
| 18:31.10 | Fisker- | lets notify the commitee at once! |
| 18:31.12 | Fisker- | also |
| 18:31.15 | Fisker- | giev meet the sniper |
| 18:31.15 | Kirkburn|afk | What do you mean "can't"? |
| 18:31.23 | *** join/#wowwiki Blayze (n=Robbieg8@nat76.mia.three.co.uk) |
| 18:31.30 | Kirochi | I GOT DI FX3 |
| 18:31.33 | Kirochi | haha |
| 18:31.35 | Kirkburn|afk | kd3 just gave us links to download it ... |
| 18:31.53 | Kirkburn|afk | Fisker-, yeah, should be out around now |
| 18:32.06 | Kirkburn|afk | Is the full version of Creature Creator out? |
| 18:32.12 | Fisker- | yes |
| 18:32.16 | Fisker- | if you don't pay EA money |
| 18:32.29 | Kirochi | hey |
| 18:32.30 | Fisker- | of course the EA tards saw it fit to let Fileplanet release it 24:00 GMT |
| 18:32.36 | Kirochi | how can I change it to French ? |
| 18:32.40 | Kirochi | frFR ? |
| 18:32.40 | Fisker- | we're not getting until midnight |
| 18:32.50 | Kirkburn|afk | Kirochi, sorry, that was the enUS version |
| 18:32.59 | Fisker- | and by 24:00 GMT i meant 18½ hours ago |
| 18:33.04 | Kirochi | no one got the french one ? |
| 18:33.13 | Kirkburn|afk | I want the enGB one :P |
| 18:33.25 | Dotted | Kirochi ftp://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/3.0/win32/fr/ |
| 18:33.27 | Kirkburn|afk | kd3, fetch! ;) |
| 18:33.39 | pcj | wtf haiti people are fx haters |
| 18:33.40 | Kirkburn|afk | Gah, don't use the ftp |
| 18:33.45 | kd3 | proably enUS, you may get lucky: Windows: http://snurl.com/2jxqw | OS X: http://snurl.com/2jxv2 | Linux: http://snurl.com/2jxqv |
| 18:33.51 | pcj | ur mom got lucky |
| 18:33.59 | Fisker- | SNURL? |
| 18:34.06 | Kirkburn|afk | Fisker-, I asked too :P |
| 18:34.14 | Kirkburn|afk | snipurl with a shorter name? |
| 18:34.14 | kd3 | ask the firefox folk. just pulled that from their /topic |
| 18:34.44 | Kirkburn|afk | Fisker-, "if you don't pay EA money"? Eh? |
| 18:34.50 | Dotted | Kirkburn|afk why not? |
| 18:35.06 | Kirkburn|afk | Dotted, it's not load balanced iirc |
| 18:35.16 | Fisker- | Kirkburn|afk direct2drive |
| 18:35.23 | Fisker- | they released it earlier today at midnight |
| 18:35.23 | Dotted | and we should care? |
| 18:35.28 | Fisker- | we're not getting it until midnight |
| 18:36.11 | Fisker- | meet the sniper tiems |
| 18:36.53 | Kirochi | dotted |
| 18:36.56 | Kirochi | I love you |
| 18:37.35 | Dotted | im unloveable - so please stop the lies |
| 18:37.37 | Dotted | :P |
| 18:37.45 | Kirochi | I love your little dots |
| 18:37.52 | Kirochi | I'm so turned on |
| 18:38.26 | pcj | ur mom |
| 18:39.50 | Fisker- | i like what i'm seeing Dotted |
| 18:39.52 | Kirkburn|afk | Fisker-, is it can be? |
| 18:39.53 | Fisker- | also you Kirkburn|afk |
| 18:40.07 | Fisker- | can be indeed |
| 18:40.11 | Kirkburn|afk | It is can be! |
| 18:40.14 | Fisker- | http://storefront.steampowered.com/v/index.php?area=app&AppId=5051 |
| 18:40.28 | Fisker- | i liekd it |
| 18:40.34 | Kirkburn|afk | Fisker-, I was questioning the "if you /don't/ pay EA money" |
| 18:40.46 | Fisker- | it was moar srs business |
| 18:40.58 | Fisker- | yeah if you pay IGN/D2D money instead |
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| 18:41.09 | Fisker- | then you got it almost a day ago |
| 18:41.10 | Kirkburn|afk | ah, I see now :) |
| 18:41.40 | Kirkburn|afk | I'll wait and see the reviews |
| 18:41.49 | Kirkburn|afk | How does the refund work with those though? |
| 18:41.50 | Fisker- | no need |
| 18:41.56 | Fisker- | dunno about you |
| 18:42.14 | Fisker- | but the editor gets refunded completely here when you preorder or purchase spore |
| 18:42.19 | Kirkburn|afk | And why isn't it on steam :( |
| 18:42.24 | Fisker- | because it's EA |
| 18:42.46 | Kirkburn|afk | Yeah, but I assume you have to order from the same place you got the creature creator? |
| 18:42.59 | Fisker- | i think so |
| 18:43.03 | Kirochi | is it can be raep tiem now plees? |
| 18:43.06 | Fisker- | though in the US you get a code for amazon too |
| 18:43.06 | Kirkburn|afk | $10 right? |
| 18:43.12 | Kirkburn|afk | :O |
| 18:43.20 | Fisker- | Ă‚ÂŁ5 for you |
| 18:43.25 | Fisker- | but almost the same |
| 18:43.46 | Kirkburn|afk | Thanks, I did just just forget my basic math |
| 18:45.04 | pcj | wait, free money? |
| 18:45.23 | Kirkburn|afk | Fisker-, very cool :P |
| 18:45.40 | Kirkburn|afk | But I can't place the accent |
| 18:45.55 | Kirkburn|afk | It's kinda of Australian cockney |
| 18:46.53 | Dotted | CRICKEY" |
| 18:46.53 | Dotted | ! |
| 18:48.31 | Kirochi | i iz like teh angels |
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| 18:50.19 | Kirkburn | Holy moley, the Diablo II no-cd patch is out :) |
| 18:50.41 | Fisker- | ooh |
| 18:50.59 | Fisker- | http://eu.blizzard.com/en/store/ <-LOLWAT?! |
| 18:51.05 | Kirkburn | http://www.blizzplanet.com/?act=News&id=2440 |
| 18:51.13 | Kirkburn | Still no store, eh? |
| 18:51.19 | Kirkburn | Damn lot of games though |
| 18:51.28 | Fisker- | yeah the menu looks screwed for you as well right? :D |
| 18:51.32 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 18:52.07 | Fisker- | guessing it's out in the store as well then |
| 18:52.17 | Kirochi | skr00d up |
| 18:52.58 | Kirkburn | Kirochi, you appear to be typing like a monkey. |
| 18:53.09 | Fisker- | about time we got a no-cd for that though :P |
| 18:53.11 | Dotted | http://www.gametrailers.com/player/usermovies/230422.html lol goatse ;D |
| 18:53.18 | Fisker- | your mother |
| 18:53.34 | Kirkburn | Kirochi, you didn't perhaps move to Denmark, or meet these two ^ ? |
| 18:54.22 | Fisker- | bah |
| 18:54.24 | Fisker- | can't download it yet |
| 18:54.26 | Fisker- | :O |
| 18:57.15 | Kirkburn | Where the pyro website I wonder |
| 18:59.14 | Fisker- | on yo momma |
| 18:59.16 | Fisker- | ohoh |
| 18:59.17 | Fisker- | also |
| 18:59.20 | Fisker- | blue pistol :O |
| 18:59.22 | Fisker- | pyro has it |
| 18:59.23 | Fisker- | :( |
| 18:59.26 | Kirkburn | eh? |
| 18:59.41 | Kirkburn | How dost thou knoe? |
| 18:59.48 | Fisker- | see the movid |
| 18:59.50 | Fisker- | movie |
| 18:59.53 | Fisker- | when he snipes the pyro |
| 18:59.56 | Fisker- | he has a blue gun |
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| 19:02.22 | Kirkburn | So he does! |
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| 19:05.33 | Ose | Kirkburn: {{#switch:{{{input|}}}|=#CCCCCC|#009900}} makes stuff turn be grey as standard but green if ANYTHING is stated in the input parameter, right? |
| 19:06.08 | pcj | uh just use {{#if:}} |
| 19:06.20 | Kirochi | back |
| 19:06.22 | Kirochi | I'm sorry |
| 19:06.34 | Kirochi | what was that chimp speech about me, dudes? |
| 19:06.43 | Ose | well I might expand it |
| 19:06.44 | Kirkburn | Kirochi, no idea ;) |
| 19:06.57 | Kirkburn | You can always check using Google, Ose :P |
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| 19:07.13 | Ose | you're usually faster |
| 19:07.26 | pcj | faster than google? |
| 19:07.26 | pcj | how |
| 19:07.30 | Kirkburn | Damn right |
| 19:07.42 | Kirkburn | Don't concern yourself with such questions, pcj |
| 19:07.45 | Ose | because I never find what i'm looking for when using it... |
| 19:08.05 | pcj | wikia should use kirkburn to power wowwiki if he's faster than google |
| 19:08.12 | pcj | then they wouldn't have to worry about optimization |
| 19:09.47 | Bagginsww | if anyone is up to it, all references to "former" in front of Knights of the Silver hand need to be removed :p |
| 19:10.02 | pcj | baggins [[WW:BR]] |
| 19:10.41 | Bagginsww | well not all of them, only the ones that are confirmed not to still be in the order, like death knights :p |
| 19:10.47 | pcj | ... |
| 19:10.53 | pcj | then do it yourself |
| 19:10.57 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 19:11.13 | Bagginsww | eh I'll just have to fix em while I see them |
| 19:11.19 | Bagginsww | *as I |
| 19:12.25 | Kirochi | no one is faster than google |
| 19:12.29 | Kirochi | except for |
| 19:13.34 | Kirochi | pcj |
| 19:13.41 | pcj | yep |
| 19:13.53 | Fisker- | Ose go straight to google |
| 19:14.00 | Fisker- | if you pass start you do not collect Firefox 3 |
| 19:15.33 | Ose | why should I need 2 fx3? |
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| 19:16.16 | ANTRat | elin |
| 19:16.36 | Fisker- | i'll rephrase |
| 19:16.39 | Fisker- | if you pass start you do not collect Firefox 3 or keep it |
| 19:17.58 | Ose | EEEEK! |
| 19:19.08 | Ose | infobot, who is fastest? |
| 19:19.09 | infobot | I think you lost me on that one, Ose |
| 19:25.47 | pcj | ~rickroll ose |
| 19:25.47 | infobot | We're no strangers to love / You know the rules and so do I / A full commitment's what I'm thinking of / You wouldnt get this from any other guy |
| 19:29.15 | Dotted | someone type "nifhjorf [[oldnol]]" without quotes plx |
| 19:30.04 | pcj | nifhjorf [[oldnol]] |
| 19:30.08 | Fisker- | i dislike you Dotted |
| 19:30.17 | Dotted | shame |
| 19:32.47 | Ose | could I put a picture as the background of a table? |
| 19:35.19 | Kirochi | ~rickroll BaronSoosdon |
| 19:36.04 | Arcanedeath | ~rickrollose |
| 19:36.23 | Arcanedeath | infobot, who pwns moar? |
| 19:37.06 | Kirochi | ~rickroll Arcanedeath |
| 19:37.21 | Ose | infobot, wake up! |
| 19:37.22 | infobot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on up! and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 19:38.34 | Kirochi | infobot |
| 19:38.35 | Kirochi | is |
| 19:38.40 | Kirochi | nnnnnumb |
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| 19:43.19 | Ose | [21:31]<Ose>could I put a picture as the background of a table? |
| 19:43.30 | Ose | adys kirkburn pcj whoever |
| 19:45.00 | Adys__ | dont even think about it |
| 19:45.48 | pcj | yes, ose, only if it's an animated gif |
| 19:46.20 | Fisker- | make it a .mng |
| 19:46.23 | g0urra | animated murloc gifs* |
| 19:46.27 | Ose | wonders if he should do it just to annoy adys |
| 19:47.03 | Arcanedeath | MUUUUUURRRRRLLLLLLOOOOOOOCCCCC |
| 19:47.10 | Kirochi | Murmur ? |
| 19:47.13 | Kirochi | locloc ? |
| 19:47.18 | foxlit | Wonder if there's a reason cnet reviews look fundamentally broken to me :/ |
| 19:48.33 | Ose | anyone saw the spore murloc? |
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| 19:51.07 | Kirochi | ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ../|,_ |
| 19:51.08 | Kirochi | ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ..|\__,/'|:|...\..._/|_,/| |
| 19:51.08 | Kirochi | ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...,... ..||......|:|...''--'..,/:/`-, |
| 19:51.08 | Kirochi | ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... /|... ./|...|.|.||...../:/......,-'',-''...''~-,_,,-'', |
| 19:51.08 | Kirochi | ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ,..|:|... .|:|./`..|:|... |:|......./::/...........,-'',-''.\ |
| 19:51.08 | Kirochi | ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... |..|:|''~--|:|....'|:|....|:|....../::/..........,-'':,-''.....''~-,,__ |
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| 19:51.21 | Kirochi | wow |
| 19:51.28 | Fisker- | that was pretty stupid |
| 19:51.32 | Kirochi | serves me right for trying to past an ascii murloc into #wowwiki |
| 19:51.36 | Kirochi | paste* |
| 19:51.43 | Jimdinventor | All that spam, and it didn't even align properly. :-) |
| 19:51.44 | Kirochi | sorry guys |
| 19:51.50 | Kirochi | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html;jsessionid=F97FA4471EAE67B91F206F16FBA55C9F?topicId=3907974352&sid=1 |
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| 19:52.13 | Kirochi | I think I deserve a beating |
| 19:52.15 | Kirochi | Adys ? |
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| 19:52.52 | amro | looks like I'm just in time |
| 19:52.54 | amro | beats Kirochi |
| 19:53.18 | Kirochi | nay amro |
| 19:53.27 | Kirochi | I can't be beaten by a fake french speaker |
| 19:53.53 | g0urra | teh slow wiki |
| 19:53.59 | amro | I'm trying to unlearn, but it's not as easy as in wow |
| 19:54.26 | Kirochi | /unlearn |
| 19:54.32 | amro | nope |
| 19:54.41 | amro | I even tried speaking with an accent, didn't help |
| 19:55.07 | Kirochi | do you speak pataouète? |
| 19:55.15 | Ose | Kirkburn: database lock why? |
| 19:55.22 | amro | is it something stupid like verlan? |
| 19:56.08 | g0urra | sweet, database lock. |
| 19:56.14 | Kirochi | it's a dialect of algerian french |
| 19:56.40 | Kirochi | something the blackfeet spoke when back there |
| 19:56.45 | amro | oh |
| 19:56.54 | amro | I thought you meant algerian algerian french (ie, "fronsi") |
| 19:57.23 | amro | which is quite easy to master if you don't mind butchering a language |
| 19:57.58 | Kirochi | xD |
| 19:58.07 | Kirochi | ji parli li fronsi oui missieu |
| 19:58.57 | Kirochi | oh today at the exam there was that chinese student who couldn't speak much french |
| 19:59.20 | Kirochi | he shivered all along the philosophy & history tests |
| 19:59.22 | Kirochi | :p |
| 19:59.33 | Kirochi | cause he couldn't understand the texts |
| 20:00.18 | amro | ouch |
| 20:00.46 | amro | I guess he should've went to a worthwhile country instead :P |
| 20:00.56 | Kirochi | je t'emmerde |
| 20:00.59 | Kirochi | :p |
| 20:02.28 | amro | I exaggerate. We do need France. |
| 20:02.34 | amro | for target practice |
| 20:03.32 | Kirochi | you know I just can't reply |
| 20:04.14 | Kirochi | France has already been teasing Algeria for a century and a half |
| 20:04.31 | Kirochi | It would be rude of me to follow in this way |
| 20:04.41 | amro | I'm just kidding by the way |
| 20:05.00 | Kirochi | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berber_people |
| 20:05.05 | Kirochi | Zinedine Zidane |
| 20:05.06 | amro | yes I saw that |
| 20:05.11 | amro | I laughed SO hard |
| 20:05.49 | Kirochi | as if there weren't any worthy berber people nowadays |
| 20:06.09 | amro | nah the funny part is tht the others are totally random |
| 20:06.12 | amro | then BAM. zidane |
| 20:06.33 | Kirochi | :p |
| 20:06.46 | Kirochi | well st augustin deserved his place here |
| 20:06.53 | Kirochi | he's influenced much of europe |
| 20:09.04 | amro | Kiro`away: oh wait, they changed the article. before the pictures were of random people |
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| 20:13.35 | pcj | http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/0617081secrets1.html |
| 20:14.40 | foxlit | GeForce 8400: Type of PC User: "Extreme Gamer" |
| 20:17.11 | pcj | http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSL1760049120080617?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&rpc=22&sp=true |
| 20:17.20 | pcj | in soviet russia, weather controls you |
| 20:18.41 | pcj | http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN16224920080616 |
| 20:21.34 | pcj | http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSL164524920080616 |
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| 20:31.39 | Kirochi | not too soon |
| 20:33.12 | Kirochi | how could a thong hurt the eye? |
| 20:35.22 | Jimdinventor | some thongs are elastic -- stretch and release...? |
| 20:35.51 | Kirochi | she's an asshole then |
| 20:36.18 | Kirochi | In Soviet Russia, NY <3 YOU!! |
| 20:40.53 | g0urra | lol france |
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| 21:14.10 | Ose | http://www.wowwiki.com/Guild:The_United_Exiles_(Moonglade_EU)#Raid_progression comments? |
| 21:18.46 | Ose | g0urra ^ |
| 21:19.12 | g0urra | I'd prefer having it spanned over the whole height instead of having blanks |
| 21:20.03 | g0urra | Otherwise, good job, but the kill dates could be below the boss name |
| 21:21.21 | g0urra | Oh and it links to the lore page of the bosses that has an article dedicated to it |
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| 21:56.21 | Ose | g0urra: see now |
| 21:57.26 | g0urra | I'll take an example |
| 21:57.37 | g0urra | Say that the height of a table is 400px |
| 21:57.51 | g0urra | One instance has 8 bosses, so it'll be 50px for each |
| 21:58.04 | g0urra | While the other instance has 5 bosses, so it's 80px each |
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| 21:59.09 | Ose | maybe tomorrow |
| 21:59.16 | Ose | now I want to sleep |
| 21:59.34 | Ose | if you want to you can do it yourself |
| 21:59.58 | pcj | well at least he was ready to be receptive to feedback |
| 22:00.19 | g0urra | heh |
| 22:00.41 | g0urra | I wouldn't want to do numeric values though, percentages are better |
| 22:01.00 | g0urra | by using {{#expr:}} |
| 22:03.20 | Jimdinventor | If I wish to make alterations to a widely-used template, is it preferable to make a copy of the original, test with that, then speedydelete the test page when the original is to be updated? |
| 22:04.54 | g0urra | Jimdinventor: what template, and what do you want to change? |
| 22:05.46 | Jimdinventor | Infobox_ability. I believe the number of parameters can be cut down by adding more default values and changing some conditionals. (more) |
| 22:06.12 | g0urra | http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Infobox_ability/sandbox |
| 22:06.22 | g0urra | Paste the main template there and play around |
| 22:06.40 | Jimdinventor | Okay. Cool. And thanks as usual. |
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| 22:13.55 | pcj | Heh, looks like we'll be fandy-free for a month |
| 22:14.33 | g0urra | Hmm? |
| 22:16.17 | g0urra | oh, VP |
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| 22:57.56 | g0urra | Jimdinventor: http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_ability/sandbox&diff=next&oldid=1413771 |
| 22:59.21 | g0urra | Jimdinventor: also see http://www.wowwiki.com/Seal_of_Light |
| 22:59.34 | g0urra | Looks good to me :) |
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| 23:06.52 | Bagginsww | well unless I missed anything that should be as comprenhensive set of information on post Third War, "KNights of hte Silver Hand" |
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| 23:11.57 | Jimdinventor | G0urra, we're editing the same sandbox for this infobox. Please let me know if I should be spawning a new one. I absolutely hate merging ideas while experimenting. |
| 23:12.48 | g0urra | eh I'm just fixing it to what your ideas are |
| 23:13.30 | Jimdinventor | ah, okay. :-) I did make some mistakes while learning the syntax ... growing into it now |
| 23:13.47 | Bagginsww | ragestorm have you checked out my sandbox? |
| 23:13.58 | Ragestorm | No, why? |
| 23:14.20 | Bagginsww | has act 1 and almost complete act 2 |
| 23:14.42 | Bagginsww | of the warcraft II compilation |
| 23:15.24 | Ragestorm | O |
| 23:16.06 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Baggins/sandbox |
| 23:17.26 | Ragestorm | This will give us a good account of how it went down in game, but I warn you that the account put forward in Tides of Darkness will probably the one Blizzard references from now on. |
| 23:17.38 | Bagginsww | Of course the idea of this article isn't to "conform" to later sources, but more to just show the diferences |
| 23:18.08 | Bagginsww | although even the novel had its issues it was missing alot of stuff that was confirmed in other sources LOL |
| 23:18.20 | Bagginsww | it even ignored the gnomes |
| 23:18.48 | Bagginsww | although I see the novel as being the general order of events |
| 23:19.10 | Ragestorm | Very specifically, Turalyon's POV |
| 23:19.27 | Bagginsww | only big difference is that essentially act 2 and 3 were switched, and act 4 was sort of combined together. |
| 23:19.42 | Bagginsww | with act 2's events |
| 23:20.13 | Ragestorm | Thing is, treating all sources of lore equally is very well and good, but Blizzard definetely intends for some sources to trump others. |
| 23:20.19 | Bagginsww | the novel missed the battles at Tol barad and Zul'dare which were confirmed in the RPG, Website and a few other sources |
| 23:20.34 | Bagginsww | although you probalgby don't like metzen's quote :p |
| 23:20.44 | Ragestorm | which one? |
| 23:21.07 | Bagginsww | he specifically referred to the novels |
| 23:21.13 | Bagginsww | but I think he meant it to refer to all spinoff |
| 23:21.18 | Bagginsww | just a sec |
| 23:21.53 | Bagginsww | well the general peraphrase is the the novels are mostly canon and he lets the authors some freedom of what they want to write |
| 23:22.03 | Bagginsww | *paraphrase |
| 23:22.15 | Bagginsww | they even convinced him to use the term canon |
| 23:22.23 | Bagginsww | but he only mentioned the novels :p |
| 23:22.26 | Bagginsww | http://dccomics.com/media/podcasts/DCComics_2007-07-28_Wow_Its_World_of_WarCraft_San_Diego_Comic_Con_2007.mp3 |
| 23:22.34 | Ragestorm | That's all well and good, unless Knaak is the one writing. |
| 23:22.44 | Ragestorm | He was allowed a little too much freedom. |
| 23:23.03 | Bagginsww | lawl |
| 23:23.17 | Bagginsww | ya his creations of places out of nowhere :p |
| 23:23.42 | Bagginsww | and Rise of the Horde forgot alot of important detaills including the Necrolytes |
| 23:23.55 | Ragestorm | "Let's make the war of the ancients a time-travel adventure where I turn a perfectly good character into a Gary Stu!" yeah, very fun. |
| 23:23.57 | Bagginsww | which Tides of DArkness went back and covered a bit |
| 23:24.03 | Bagginsww | heh heh |
| 23:24.17 | g0urra | I wonder if Metzen ever stop by and look at WoWWiki |
| 23:24.21 | Bagginsww | I wish the story wasn't even time travel... that was only there so he could get away |
| 23:24.34 | Bagginsww | with writing whatever I think :p |
| 23:25.16 | Bagginsww | I can tell you he isn't me LOL |
| 23:25.24 | Ragestorm | I maintain that he could have still done whatever he needed- making his own characters, outlandish plot, ignoring things- without making it a damn time-travel. |
| 23:25.33 | Bagginsww | true |
| 23:25.53 | Bagginsww | I feel he wanted to tie krasus in due to his importance, :p |
| 23:26.09 | Bagginsww | as the consort to Alexs, :p |
| 23:26.20 | Bagginsww | although he could have used a younger krasus :p |
| 23:26.29 | Ragestorm | That's the problem. |
| 23:26.45 | Bagginsww | krasus not supposes to have been born then I think in later sources? |
| 23:26.49 | Bagginsww | *supposed |
| 23:26.53 | Bagginsww | or did he run into himself? |
| 23:27.05 | Ragestorm | No, he was already a Consort by the War |
| 23:27.13 | Bagginsww | that's what I thought |
| 23:27.31 | Ragestorm | Krasus and Rhonin are perfectly good characters, but he ruined them in WotA |
| 23:27.47 | Bagginsww | trying to be cautius since I have only skimed through the books haven't read the in pure detail... |
| 23:28.12 | Bagginsww | although he could have stuck closer to the events in warcraft II expansion manual :p |
| 23:28.23 | Ragestorm | Bagginsww, Krasus running into himself isn't a detail. Half the time, somone is riding Korialstrasz. |
| 23:28.38 | Bagginsww | LOL sexual frustration there... |
| 23:28.46 | g0urra | >,> |
| 23:28.55 | Ragestorm | I can't believe you just did that, |
| 23:29.10 | Bagginsww | we were talkinga bout consort, and then yhou said riding :p |
| 23:29.34 | Bagginsww | sorry I couldn't resist it :p |
| 23:29.40 | Ragestorm | Grow up. |
| 23:29.44 | Bagginsww | but a character turned into a mount :p |
| 23:29.55 | Ragestorm | That goes for you, too, g0urra. |
| 23:30.01 | g0urra | Huh? |
| 23:30.04 | Bagginsww | sorry rage, I've taken psychology freudiam humor was a big part of it :p |
| 23:30.39 | Ragestorm | Krasus, Rhonin and Zayl were great characters to begin with, but then he put them in another book, and they turned into Mary Sues. |
| 23:30.56 | Ragestorm | Thank Elune Blizzard took over developing Vereesa's character. |
| 23:31.13 | g0urra | Hooray! o/ |
| 23:31.25 | Bagginsww | and then there was the environmental anthropology class, which had a huge sexual education aspect to it too... That teacher uh had her jabs too... :p |
| 23:31.42 | Bagginsww | I |
| 23:31.54 | Bagginsww | I understand what your saying. |
| 23:31.54 | g0urra | I wonder who here got sexual frustration... |
| 23:32.20 | Bagginsww | I'm afraid of what's going to happen in the next one |
| 23:32.45 | Bagginsww | what can he do to veressa and rhonin further :p |
| 23:33.08 | Bagginsww | oh you said they completelyt ook over? |
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| 23:33.36 | Ragestorm | Vereesa apparently takes a dislike to the blood elves and starts her faction in the new Dalaran. |
| 23:33.46 | Ragestorm | A la the Aldor. |
| 23:33.53 | Bagginsww | heh |
| 23:34.16 | Bagginsww | well I doubt she would have went blood elf anways. It would have been out of character. |
| 23:34.19 | cursebla | who is vereesa |
| 23:35.19 | Ragestorm | Vereesa Windrunner |
| 23:35.30 | Ragestorm | Sister of Sylvanas and Alleria, husband of Rhonin. |
| 23:35.35 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Vereesa |
| 23:35.50 | Ragestorm | *Wife |
| 23:36.01 | g0urra | Heh heh |
| 23:36.07 | g0urra | [[Sylvanas Windrunner]] |
| 23:36.07 | Dotted | g0urra meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Sylvanas_Windrunner |
| 23:36.11 | g0urra | [[Alleria Windrunner]] |
| 23:36.11 | Dotted | g0urra meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Alleria_Windrunner |
| 23:36.14 | g0urra | [[Rhonin]] |
| 23:36.14 | Dotted | g0urra meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Rhonin |
| 23:36.16 | g0urra | There. |
| 23:36.20 | Bagginsww | oh you fixed linking |
| 23:36.27 | Ragestorm | The two stooges. |
| 23:36.27 | Bagginsww | good |
| 23:36.42 | Bagginsww | it was broken a week or two ago |
| 23:36.47 | Bagginsww | when I tried to use it |
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| 23:40.03 | Bagginsww | but ya generally speaking ever since warcraft II's release and moreso warcraft III, i've been pretty accepting that Blizzard will probably rewrite some detail. Move geography around etc... :p |
| 23:40.11 | Bagginsww | it just doesn't bother me anymore |
| 23:40.15 | Bagginsww | I |
| 23:40.26 | Bagginsww | I am more interested in the development than the story I think. |
| 23:40.36 | Bagginsww | development of the stories I mean. |
| 23:42.00 | Bagginsww | yes some are annoying if they state the direct opposite of something else. As opposed to one source saying the same thing as another with a few minor differences :p |
| 23:43.07 | Bagginsww | like oh sargears was evil, and turned 'all' the other races into demons vs. The demons lead to his corruption :p |
| 23:43.46 | kd3 | sighs |
| 23:43.46 | Jimdinventor | g0urra, is the "that" I shouldn't be doing (1: ) break the template so it no longer works or (2: ) remove/replace conditionals? :-) |
| 23:43.52 | Bagginsww | its made him kind of one dimensional LOL |
| 23:44.30 | Bagginsww | egg or the egg cundundrums :p |
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| 23:46.28 | g0urra | Jimdinventor: see Seal of Light and Mortal Strike when you make changes, and you'll see what goes wrong |
| 23:47.31 | Jimdinventor | *blink* ... live pages are using the sandbox? |
| 23:48.07 | g0urra | Seal of Light because it's a special case, using both a buff and debuff |
| 23:48.29 | Jimdinventor | Oh!! |
| 23:48.48 | Jimdinventor | okay, got it, very cool :-) |
| 23:51.33 | g0urra | I'm off to bed, gnight |
| 23:51.40 | Jimdinventor | Goodnight! |
| 23:51.52 | Jimdinventor | I'll leave my results for a watchdog to evaluate |
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| 23:59.03 | Ragestorm | Bagginsww, what is the EXACT citation for Sargeras's demon retcon? |
| 23:59.23 | Ragestorm | The draenei retcon only refers to Eredar. |
| 23:59.33 | Bagginsww | let me get you the link |
