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| 00:23.54 | Bagginsww | what happened? |
| 00:27.00 | pcj | you dc'd a lot |
| 00:28.01 | Bagginsww | ahh well its weird It said I was connected with mental power :p |
| 00:28.05 | Bagginsww | and no one else |
| 00:28.09 | Bagginsww | said you all dropped out :p |
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| 00:30.09 | MentalPower | it was a rather major netsplit |
| 00:30.24 | MentalPower | I'm waiting on a wallops message to explain what hapenned |
| 00:30.50 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 00:30.57 | Bagginsww | ya it was very strange :p |
| 00:31.31 | Bagginsww | and its weird how scrolls of lore's website doesn't work |
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| 01:22.17 | Bagginsww | btw my latest project is to recontstruct the Warcraft II storyline from the missions of Tides of Darkness into one single narrative based on the clues given in the story |
| 01:22.58 | Bagginsww | with a section devoted to discussing the endings |
| 01:23.24 | Bagginsww | and where things may diverge in later accoutns |
| 01:23.54 | Bagginsww | I've previously discussed how there is overlap between the two compaigns, my intent is to try to point those out |
| 01:24.58 | Ragestorm | That's extremely ambitious |
| 01:25.33 | Ragestorm | I'm not entirely convinced we need to go into that much detail |
| 01:25.44 | Ragestorm | Plus, there is the novel account to consider |
| 01:26.21 | Bagginsww | its going to its own article |
| 01:26.21 | Ragestorm | Then again, having such a document at our fingertips would be very impressive |
| 01:26.53 | Ragestorm | I figured that. |
| 01:26.53 | Bagginsww | and once I get my copy of tides of darkness strategy guide it might even be more detailed |
| 01:26.54 | Bagginsww | including account of the battles |
| 01:26.59 | Bagginsww | it wrote the battles in story form |
| 01:27.09 | Bagginsww | *written |
| 01:27.29 | Bagginsww | well I've had first act nearly complete for a while now |
| 01:27.35 | Bagginsww | between several articles |
| 01:27.36 | Ragestorm | Well, I'm impressed enough not to try and dissuade you |
| 01:27.48 | Bagginsww | and at least half of the second act |
| 01:27.57 | Bagginsww | and parts of the third |
| 01:28.06 | Bagginsww | so its a matter of pulling those together |
| 01:28.13 | Bagginsww | putting them in the implied order |
| 01:28.24 | Bagginsww | etc |
| 01:28.43 | Bagginsww | I'd say i've probably already did close to 60% of the work already |
| 01:28.58 | Ragestorm | What perspective are you using, 3rd person omnicient or variation? |
| 01:29.07 | Bagginsww | 3rd person |
| 01:29.17 | Bagginsww | paraphrasing the mission text |
| 01:29.23 | Bagginsww | not trying to deviate from it |
| 01:29.27 | Bagginsww | too much |
| 01:29.54 | Ragestorm | textbook sort of language or novel sort of language? |
| 01:30.20 | Bagginsww | well check out Tarren Mill region for a taste |
| 01:30.35 | Bagginsww | or the Hillsbrad article |
| 01:31.11 | Bagginsww | that's "Tarren Mill region" as the name of the article |
| 01:31.24 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Tarren_Mill_region |
| 01:31.34 | Ragestorm | Ah, yes, that should do fine |
| 01:31.51 | Ragestorm | In fact, that's quite a good way of doing these. |
| 01:32.05 | Bagginsww | I'm starting with that but if strat guide adds anything further, then I will expand it |
| 01:33.32 | Ragestorm | Well, stuff in this vein is exactly what we're looking for, so this is great. I would advocate a way to suggest better cohesion with mainstream articles and changing the name of the website, but this is quite good. |
| 01:33.44 | Bagginsww | I've been hesitant to ordering the Orcs and Humans and Beyond the Dark Portal guides because I don't have any evidence to if they have short stories printed in them |
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| 01:34.19 | Ragestorm | What, you mean the guides from Prima? |
| 01:34.19 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 01:34.44 | Ragestorm | I wasn't aware that any of them had short stories. Diablo and StarCraft certainly didn't |
| 01:35.17 | Bagginsww | According to amazon.com the editorial blurb for the primar Tides of DArkness guide its written from the perspective of a Scribe from Silvermoon |
| 01:35.21 | Bagginsww | and some orc |
| 01:35.31 | Ragestorm | Hmm... |
| 01:35.37 | Ragestorm | <shrug> |
| 01:35.44 | Bagginsww | I'm assuming both will be writing as if both sides won LOL |
| 01:36.02 | Bagginsww | they have names too |
| 01:36.09 | Ragestorm | Yes, than Elune that StarCraft introduced them to a new type of narrative |
| 01:36.15 | Ragestorm | *thank |
| 01:36.21 | Bagginsww | heh |
| 01:36.26 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 01:36.30 | Bagginsww | well actually |
| 01:36.37 | Bagginsww | beyond the dark portal |
| 01:36.44 | Bagginsww | ending's overlap |
| 01:36.56 | Bagginsww | and the story is largely linear |
| 01:37.15 | Bagginsww | orc campaign is set largely before the horde campaign |
| 01:37.21 | Bagginsww | erm alliance is second |
| 01:37.27 | Ragestorm | Wow. |
| 01:37.43 | Ragestorm | <that was at you, not Blizz> |
| 01:38.07 | Ragestorm | I know, they don't actually tell conflicting sides of the same events like the first two games. |
| 01:38.10 | Bagginsww | basically horde ending leads to the distruction of Draenor, and alliance leads to an attempted escape from that distruction |
| 01:38.19 | Ragestorm | I know, I've played it. |
| 01:38.28 | Bagginsww | they should have done that first time around :p |
| 01:38.52 | Bagginsww | but then again it wasn't Blizzard that designed Beyond the Dark Portal :p |
| 01:39.20 | Bagginsww | maybe they convinced Metzen and whoever to taking things a differently LOL |
| 01:39.23 | Ragestorm | No, the Horde ending is that Ner;zhul opens the portals, the Alliance ends with the closing of the DP and the escape into the Nether. |
| 01:39.40 | Bagginsww | well that's what I meant by "destruction of the world" |
| 01:39.48 | Bagginsww | opening of all the portals |
| 01:39.55 | Ragestorm | I don't think Metzen was quite that high up by BtDP |
| 01:40.19 | Bagginsww | I was going by the manual credits that has him credited to the story design |
| 01:40.28 | Bagginsww | he was also one of the producers according to it |
| 01:40.32 | Ragestorm | Even so |
| 01:40.45 | Bagginsww | give me a second to pull up the pdf |
| 01:40.50 | Ragestorm | It's really impossible to say how things are decided in dev. |
| 01:40.57 | Bagginsww | I agree |
| 01:41.49 | Ragestorm | Look at Diablo. So much time designing the Succubi, not brought back for the sequel, added in the expansion at the 11th hour |
| 01:42.27 | Ragestorm | Then again, Succubi and their mistress are to Diablo what the Draenei are to Warcraft. |
| 01:42.27 | Bagginsww | ya according to the manual metzen only wrote the warcraft II story and design |
| 01:42.48 | Bagginsww | he was a consultent on the expansion |
| 01:42.57 | Bagginsww | other than that no idea if he did anything else or not |
| 01:43.22 | Bagginsww | roper I think was the main guy in charge? |
| 01:44.04 | Bagginsww | beena while since I played Diablo games |
| 01:44.15 | Bagginsww | succubi had more use than being simply mobs to kill? |
| 01:44.44 | Bagginsww | I don't remember their mistress |
| 01:45.10 | Ragestorm | Succubi had a major lore significance. Though appearing in Diablo, they were the handmaidens of Andariel, and the children of Lilith. |
| 01:45.29 | Bagginsww | cool |
| 01:45.46 | Bagginsww | nice judeo-christian theme there. |
| 01:46.01 | kd3 | my question is... since male warlocks can summon succubi, why can't female warlocks summon incubi? |
| 01:46.21 | Bagginsww | cause lesbian sex is cool... j.k |
| 01:46.25 | Ragestorm | sex appeal. |
| 01:46.50 | Ragestorm | Women play for plot, not fake demon sex. |
| 01:47.02 | Ragestorm | Then it was revealed that Lilith is Mephisto's daughter, which makes Andariel his granddaughter |
| 01:47.06 | Bagginsww | women play just to have fun, not necessarily plot |
| 01:47.10 | Bagginsww | but depends on the player |
| 01:47.30 | Ragestorm | Depends on which fake statistic you read. |
| 01:47.38 | Bagginsww | Lol true |
| 01:48.01 | Ragestorm | The incubi this is an interesting lore hole, though. |
| 01:48.15 | Bagginsww | one reference, and not seen anywhere else |
| 01:48.59 | Bagginsww | although with Knaack's propensity for creating things that are never seen again... who knows? :p |
| 01:49.14 | Ragestorm | Have you read the Sin War> |
| 01:49.21 | Bagginsww | nah |
| 01:49.27 | Ragestorm | You're blessed. |
| 01:49.41 | Bagginsww | diablo is generally too dark for my tastes |
| 01:50.01 | Bagginsww | the game was fun... but eh it just bleeds such a bleak depressing atmosphere |
| 01:50.21 | Bagginsww | paladin order that's really working for the forces of evil and not evne knowing it :p |
| 01:50.29 | Bagginsww | ok its the scarlet crusade :p |
| 01:50.32 | Ragestorm | The gamelore (in the secont one, obviously) poses some interesting questions. |
| 01:50.53 | Ragestorm | And the player paladins are the ones working for the Light. |
| 01:51.12 | Bagginsww | ya. |
| 01:51.21 | Bagginsww | turna gainst hte order |
| 01:51.51 | Bagginsww | I read the comic that's about the extent of my diablo spinoff reading |
| 01:52.27 | Ragestorm | Knaak's Diablo that isn't the Sin War is fine. Nice Necromancer stuff. |
| 01:52.37 | Bagginsww | from what I understand the most diablo spinoff material is so bad, that some of it isn't even acknowledged anymore |
| 01:53.07 | Ragestorm | Blizzard's canonized all the novels. |
| 01:53.15 | Ragestorm | Sadly. |
| 01:53.22 | Bagginsww | they are that bad? |
| 01:53.35 | Bagginsww | I heard the ebook was horrendus |
| 01:53.43 | Bagginsww | and the rpg is incredibly obscure. |
| 01:53.51 | Ragestorm | Sin War is horrible. |
| 01:54.10 | Bagginsww | its like blizzard purged all references to the RPG |
| 01:54.14 | Ragestorm | Knaak doesn't realize that classes other than necromancers are important |
| 01:54.18 | Bagginsww | weird |
| 01:54.22 | Ragestorm | even if they are the most interesting. |
| 01:55.08 | Ragestorm | At the end of the narrative of the most important event about Diablo lore, we know how the world was created and how the necromancers started. And that's it. |
| 01:55.21 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 01:55.39 | Ragestorm | a dozen scenes featuring the Worldstone, Bul-Kathos only appears once. |
| 01:55.46 | Bagginsww | it makes it sound like the world revolves around necromancers :p |
| 01:55.55 | Ragestorm | Oh, and the first necromancer is Mephisto's grandson. |
| 01:56.12 | Bagginsww | so the demons were they fallen angels? |
| 01:56.34 | Bagginsww | please forgive me if I've forgotten any details mentioned in the games :p |
| 01:56.46 | Ragestorm | No. Enlightened demons fall in love with fallen angels, make their own world, and have kids, the Nephalem. They have kids, the humans. |
| 01:57.09 | Bagginsww | ahh |
| 01:59.04 | Ragestorm | He then describes the necromancy movement in extreme detail , but ignores the others and glosses over the Mage-clans. |
| 01:59.12 | Bagginsww | One of my favorite diablo products was the official expansion... Monk class was fun, thought their backstory was intriguing too... although there will likely never be any more about them :p... considering that the game was pushed off to a Sierra before every detail was finalized at Blizzard... |
| 01:59.35 | Ragestorm | Yeah, neither of them acknowledge it. |
| 02:00.03 | Bagginsww | neither of who? |
| 02:00.14 | Bagginsww | Blizzard I understand |
| 02:00.52 | Bagginsww | Sierra has nothing to do with the Diablo franchise, pretty much. |
| 02:01.08 | Bagginsww | not like they'd be allowed to make a Diablo III LOL |
| 02:02.08 | Ragestorm | yeah, never mind the lawsuit, Knaak took care of that, too. |
| 02:02.37 | Bagginsww | but ya from what I remember expansion's story was developed at blizzard, but they were too busy with other products to finish it. so the the company that owned both pushed it on to Sierra. |
| 02:03.12 | Bagginsww | cendent software was the master company iirc |
| 02:03.41 | Bagginsww | which was later sold to the current Vivendi? |
| 02:04.23 | Bagginsww | honestly lawsuits? frankly I don't understand processess of law or how two companies owned by another company can sue each other... You'll have to explain the history for me LOL |
| 02:04.26 | Ragestorm | Both Blizz and Sierra are owned by Activision Blizzard. |
| 02:04.36 | Bagginsww | that's the new name ya? |
| 02:04.42 | Ragestorm | Formerly Vivendi. |
| 02:05.08 | Bagginsww | at least its not Sierra Blizzard :p cause that would just be a silly name |
| 02:05.14 | Ragestorm | The lawsuit is a disagreement between Blizz, who owned the Diablo trademark, and the designers who left, who apparently own the story. |
| 02:05.24 | Bagginsww | oh ouch |
| 02:06.27 | Bagginsww | ya the designers have their own company altogether right? |
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| 02:06.36 | Ragestorm | No idea. |
| 02:06.40 | Bagginsww | hellgate, etc |
| 02:07.02 | Bagginsww | hellgate was designed to be essentially diablo 3, :p |
| 02:07.19 | Ragestorm | All I know is that Blizz keeps publishing these novels. |
| 02:07.31 | Bagginsww | hmm |
| 02:08.42 | Ragestorm | Somewhat needlessly, the ending of Diablo II neatly sealed up the story until they published Moon of the Spider |
| 02:09.14 | Bagginsww | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flagship_Studios |
| 02:09.30 | Bagginsww | ok and moon of the spider does what? |
| 02:09.54 | Bagginsww | and people were wanting a diablo III even if the ending was finished :p stupid gamers ;) |
| 02:10.27 | Ragestorm | unseals the ending. The Worldstone apparently does little more than prevent the demons and angels from moving en masse. |
| 02:10.54 | Bagginsww | I see... |
| 02:11.08 | Ragestorm | thing is, only two evils are left. |
| 02:11.46 | Ragestorm | The other two could be revived, but Diablo and his brothers are gone. |
| 02:11.55 | Bagginsww | http://software.pricegrabber.co.uk/computer-games/m/5370733/ |
| 02:11.58 | Bagginsww | ok tha'ts just wrong |
| 02:12.15 | Bagginsww | so diablo ii is being sold under the sierra label :p |
| 02:12.28 | Ragestorm | Idiots. |
| 02:12.34 | Ragestorm | Good price though. |
| 02:13.15 | Bagginsww | but ya why repackage under sierra when they could have repackaged under blizzard or activision label? |
| 02:13.48 | Ragestorm | I've no idea, I work at a museum, not Vivendi. |
| 02:13.57 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 02:14.30 | Bagginsww | sigh I can only guess its because the sierra name has a longer history than Blizzard and is more respected in many circles... |
| 02:14.46 | Bagginsww | being one of the founding video game companies |
| 02:16.27 | Bagginsww | even if the real sierra is technically dead, imo, and all that's really left is just a trademark :p |
| 02:17.33 | Ragestorm | Tis a sad day indeed. :( |
| 02:19.19 | Bagginsww | it was a sad day when sierra was stabbed in the heart and all the original staff were layed off... Its sad that its good name is being abused in marketing ploys... |
| 02:20.20 | Ragestorm | The company that pioneered the video game reduced to this... |
| 02:20.33 | Bagginsww | I will always hold a place in my heart for King's Quest, Space Quest, Conquest, Gabriel Knight, and sierra's other big adventure series. |
| 02:20.40 | Bagginsww | ya :( |
| 02:21.08 | Ragestorm | But this is a chat dedicated to maintaining a wiki about the crown jewel of their reluctant executioner, so is there an on-site issue we need to discuss? |
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| 02:22.02 | pcj | lol baggins space quest is the shiznit |
| 02:22.07 | Bagginsww | heh heh |
| 02:22.21 | pcj | i'm actually project manager for the only fan game still standing |
| 02:22.42 | Bagginsww | only space quest fan game? |
| 02:22.49 | pcj | yeh |
| 02:22.56 | Bagginsww | which one? |
| 02:23.00 | pcj | VSB |
| 02:24.09 | Bagginsww | ahh I briefly remember reading about it. |
| 02:24.32 | Bagginsww | and yes I had to look it up just now to understand your cryptic initials ;) |
| 02:24.49 | Bagginsww | I knew it had something to do with Vohaul,LOL |
| 02:25.09 | Bagginsww | that's the only V I can remember in Space Quest. |
| 02:25.37 | pcj | i think it's the only one lol |
| 02:25.53 | Bagginsww | well there were two right? brothers? |
| 02:26.04 | pcj | yeah but both vohaul |
| 02:26.07 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 02:27.17 | Bagginsww | honestly glad the franchise revival didn't go through with the rumor it had nothing to do with space quest :p |
| 02:28.01 | Bagginsww | although I'm somewhat interested with what the plans were for that king's quest action game was, LOL The player character looked vaguely like Graham but in a new art style. |
| 02:28.21 | Bagginsww | otherwise looked like it would have been a crappy platformer |
| 02:31.39 | Bagginsww | so ya back to tides of darkness |
| 02:32.27 | Bagginsww | there are a few details in the book I think offhandely relate to certain events in previous game that I don't think any articles have mentioned |
| 02:32.49 | Bagginsww | while it doesn't talk about the freeing of the high elf brigade in hillsbrad |
| 02:34.51 | Bagginsww | I think the high elfs sent by quel'thalas to help free the brigade is the inspired the elves that landed in the boats to help out. |
| 02:35.07 | Bagginsww | the ones under Allaria in the novel |
| 02:35.26 | Bagginsww | *I meant tarren mill |
| 02:35.41 | Bagginsww | freeing the elves in tarren mill. |
| 02:37.41 | Bagginsww | The pushing the dwarves out of Khaz Modan is indirectly referenced by them pushing them back to Blackrock Spire from Ironforge |
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| 02:39.12 | Bagginsww | although the first person narrative from the game, specifying that all the Horde were pushed out was not accurate. |
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| 02:54.32 | Bagginsww | act 1 is proceeding as planned |
| 02:55.01 | pcj | lol |
| 02:55.27 | Bagginsww | about three more chapters to convert |
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| 02:58.56 | Bagginsww | basically it more or less follows this mission order, Zul'dare, Hillsbrad, Ambush at Tarren Mill, Southshore (alliance), Raid at Hillsbrad, Soutshore (Horde), Assault on Hillsbrad, and Zul'dare |
| 02:59.31 | Bagginsww | hillsbrad and attack on zul'dare more less occur at the same time |
| 03:00.23 | Bagginsww | and I'd guess that Ambush at Tarren Mill and Assault on Hillsbrad occur about the same time |
| 03:02.57 | Ragestorm | Given that the two quests are mirrors, that's logical. |
| 03:06.28 | Bagginsww | oh there is a hint in the misison [[Hillsbrad]] that places Raid at Hillsbrad after Zul'dare, but before the mission Hillsbrad. |
| 03:06.55 | Bagginsww | basically the raid at Hillsbrad likely represents one of the raids on coastal towns |
| 03:07.07 | Bagginsww | mentioned in the Hillsbrad missions |
| 03:07.16 | Bagginsww | thus leading to the creation of the Hillsbrad outpost |
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| 03:16.23 | Ragestorm | I'm calling it a night. Don't go mad, people. |
| 03:16.36 | Ragestorm | Oops, too late. |
| 03:16.42 | Ragestorm | :D |
| 03:17.59 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 03:24.29 | bleeter | omg it's Bagginsww HAI! |
| 03:31.03 | bleeter | Bagginsww: this thread might intrigue you a little, http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7116576462&postId=71157476212&sid=1 |
| 03:31.22 | bleeter | Bagginsww: talks about thingie landing on eastern kingdoms, that's hard to get to |
| 03:38.05 | Kaso | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae/Mad_scientist.svg |
| 03:38.11 | Kaso | i cant believe this is a svg# |
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| 03:56.00 | Bagginsww | bleeter ya is very interesting |
| 03:56.16 | Bagginsww | some of the references I have vague knowledge of but know next to nothing about |
| 03:56.20 | Bagginsww | like the secret area in the dead mines |
| 03:56.36 | Bagginsww | wishes I could see pictures and movies of these places |
| 03:58.23 | SportChick | pcj: why me? |
| 03:58.30 | pcj | lol |
| 03:58.50 | pcj | you seem like the mischevious type |
| 03:59.17 | Sky2042_afk | what pcj said. |
| 03:59.26 | Sky2042_afk | you're in every channel I'm in, which is suspicious... |
| 03:59.30 | Sky2042_afk | ;o |
| 04:03.53 | Bagginsww | ok |
| 04:04.03 | Bagginsww | why do we have a page like this |
| 04:04.04 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Vurtne |
| 04:04.18 | Sky2042_afk | because vurtne is god awesome? |
| 04:04.36 | Bagginsww | ahh wel apparently we have a problem |
| 04:04.55 | Sky2042_afk | Bagginsww: o? |
| 04:04.58 | Bagginsww | people want to create pages based on other players that are "important" to their servers or something |
| 04:05.04 | Bagginsww | but aren't their own players |
| 04:05.11 | Bagginsww | now this is difficult issue |
| 04:05.13 | Sky2042_afk | vurtne is fine. |
| 04:05.14 | bleeter | need some kinda fan player template thing where people can vote up/down things |
| 04:05.19 | Bagginsww | right |
| 04:05.20 | Sky2042_afk | every mage knows about him -_- |
| 04:05.23 | bleeter | just as a suggestion |
| 04:05.24 | Bagginsww | I don't LOL |
| 04:05.30 | Bagginsww | but I haven't been playing in a while |
| 04:05.37 | Bagginsww | anycase |
| 04:05.39 | bleeter | I was gunna saw it was 'coz you suck Bagginsww, but I think you won't accept that as a valid answer :P |
| 04:05.50 | Sky2042_afk | Bagginsww.... |
| 04:05.51 | Bagginsww | the problem here is that someone started a page for someone named "grim" |
| 04:05.52 | Sky2042_afk | wow. |
| 04:05.56 | Sky2042_afk | if you don't know who vurtne is... |
| 04:06.33 | Bagginsww | I've been away from alot of things warcraft in the past year. also I tend to read only lore books and don't keep track of player news |
| 04:06.48 | Bagginsww | so if eh's farmous from like 3 years ago |
| 04:06.55 | Bagginsww | I still wouldn't know who he was LOL |
| 04:07.21 | pcj | i don't know who vurtne is, don't care about other players' fame |
| 04:07.23 | Bagginsww | I'll read the article and see if something about it rings a bell about something |
| 04:07.26 | Sky2042_afk | he's famous from two-three years ago. |
| 04:07.33 | pcj | imo a warcraft wiki should stick to blizzard stuff |
| 04:07.39 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 04:07.42 | Bagginsww | that's how I feel |
| 04:07.43 | pcj | if it's non-blizzard it shouldn't be in there |
| 04:07.48 | Bagginsww | I"m really only interested in blizzard stuff |
| 04:08.01 | Bagginsww | so anyways |
| 04:08.10 | Bagginsww | apparently someone "famous' named grim |
| 04:08.17 | Bagginsww | I say losely famous |
| 04:08.22 | Bagginsww | cause I don't know who the hell he is |
| 04:08.26 | Bagginsww | but someone thinks he's famous |
| 04:08.32 | Bagginsww | and tried to make an article for him |
| 04:08.40 | Bagginsww | now it was thought to be that player's character |
| 04:08.55 | Bagginsww | so it was redirected to his page name via ww:name policies |
| 04:09.19 | Bagginsww | he moved it back because it wasn't his character |
| 04:09.38 | Sky2042_afk | move it to the server. |
| 04:09.39 | Bagginsww | now the page was less than a stub, so I just redirected to an official Grim |
| 04:09.49 | Bagginsww | well I don't know what server it is LOL |
| 04:10.04 | Bagginsww | but ya he sent me an email |
| 04:10.05 | Sky2042_afk | if it doesn't have server, tell him to move it to a subpage of the server. |
| 04:10.20 | Bagginsww | here's what he said; |
| 04:10.29 | Bagginsww | I am attempting to create a Wikia page dedicated to a famous Warcraft |
| 04:10.29 | Bagginsww | player by the name of Grim. This particular page will be very similar |
| 04:10.29 | Bagginsww | to this page http://www.wowwiki.com/Vurtne. To my knowledge I have |
| 04:10.29 | Bagginsww | followed the guidelines thus far and am still learning about the |
| 04:10.29 | Bagginsww | process. However I have noticed that you have redirected the page that |
| 04:10.29 | Bagginsww | I was creating found at http://www.wowwiki.com/Grim to display a page |
| 04:10.31 | Bagginsww | depicting a character of Warcraft Lore Grim Thunderbrew. Clearly the |
| 04:10.33 | Bagginsww | page regarding Vurtne was found to be acceptable so I can't quite |
| 04:10.35 | Bagginsww | figure out why mine is not. Thanks. |
| 04:11.07 | Sky2042_afk | bah. |
| 04:11.25 | kd3 | meh. I've heard of vurtune... I've not heard of a grim... |
| 04:12.14 | Bagginsww | Neither have I |
| 04:12.20 | Bagginsww | but I think he's kinda got a point |
| 04:12.43 | Bagginsww | I'd say we either need a special player namespace |
| 04:12.53 | Bagginsww | or move vurtne to its server page |
| 04:13.58 | pcj | it's really difficult to measure notability |
| 04:14.13 | pcj | i say we just stick to blizzard stuff in the main namespace |
| 04:14.26 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 04:14.51 | Bagginsww | if blizzard makes the person notible such as creating a ccg card, or bust or something |
| 04:14.54 | SportChick | pcj, Sky2042_afk: hehe, well, that's the evils of being staff I guess |
| 04:14.54 | Bagginsww | that's notible |
| 04:15.57 | Sky2042_afk | we don't measure in notability. |
| 04:15.59 | Sky2042_afk | >.> |
| 04:16.29 | Sky2042_afk | its veins flow through WW:PA, but that does not mean we measure it. |
| 04:17.28 | pcj | kirkburn always whines when i move people like Kralnor into the server namespace |
| 04:17.33 | pcj | because of hidden notability reasons |
| 04:17.48 | Sky2042_afk | Kralnor has been recognized by blizz though >.> |
| 04:17.51 | kd3 | ^ |
| 04:18.01 | pcj | ok or alamo |
| 04:18.05 | pcj | or mellin |
| 04:18.08 | Kirkburn|sleep | Also recognised |
| 04:18.12 | pcj | they're all the same |
| 04:18.13 | Sky2042_afk | lol |
| 04:19.22 | Kirkburn|sleep | It's only a very very limited number |
| 04:19.50 | Kirkburn|sleep | Kralnor because he is known to a large proportion of players, and Blizz makes reference to him several times |
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| 04:20.12 | pcj | ok but then we get people like grim who think they're notable |
| 04:20.28 | Sky2042_afk | which they clearly aren't. >.> |
| 04:20.46 | Bagginsww | isn't there a way to pay for an expensive bust of your character? |
| 04:20.47 | Kirkburn|sleep | I think the limit is written somewhere as "known outside a single server" |
| 04:20.56 | Bagginsww | official blizzard busts... |
| 04:21.05 | Bagginsww | or statuetees |
| 04:21.19 | pcj | http://www.wowwiki.com/Guild:Pink_Vashjina_%28Vashj_US%29 |
| 04:21.25 | Bagginsww | I can see people creating pages for them just to say Look what Blizzard made for me" |
| 04:21.26 | Kirkburn|sleep | Aye, don't recall the name though |
| 04:21.46 | Sky2042_afk | Bagginsww: I'm pretty sure you're wrong |
| 04:21.48 | Sky2042_afk | :P |
| 04:22.27 | Bagginsww | I could be |
| 04:22.29 | Kirkburn|sleep | pcj, I completely agree that most of them should be in the server namespace |
| 04:22.34 | Bagginsww | it might have been for another MMO :p |
| 04:22.37 | Kirkburn|sleep | Like, 99% |
| 04:22.51 | Kirkburn|sleep | Bagginsww, there's a company that makes models of your characters |
| 04:22.52 | pcj | well we need a harder limit or specify the exceptions in writing |
| 04:23.01 | Kirkburn|sleep | I dont remember their name though |
| 04:23.03 | pcj | like, on WW:PC |
| 04:23.05 | Bagginsww | ahh there is, hmm.. |
| 04:24.00 | Kirkburn|sleep | pcj, it is somewhere, but I don't recall where |
| 04:24.09 | pcj | not on WW:PC |
| 04:24.16 | Sky2042 | tried WW:PA? |
| 04:24.23 | pcj | WW:PC is what applies here |
| 04:24.31 | pcj | WW:PA is for fanfic |
| 04:24.34 | Sky2042 | so? it might somehow have ended up on PA anyway :/ |
| 04:24.45 | pcj | well that would be dumb |
| 04:24.55 | Sky2042 | true |
| 04:24.55 | pcj | yeah it's not there |
| 04:26.25 | Kirkburn|sleep | Weird, I've seen it somewhere |
| 04:26.56 | pcj | in your mind |
| 04:28.24 | Kirkburn|sleep | Weird |
| 04:30.10 | Sky2042 | er.... |
| 04:30.43 | pcj | what |
| 04:31.19 | Sky2042 | gourra changed the effect of {{lang}} |
| 04:32.05 | pcj | polish? |
| 04:32.19 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Sullun |
| 04:32.35 | Kirkburn|sleep | The template needs replacing anyway |
| 04:32.36 | Sky2042 | no, in the past month or so pcj, he's gotten rid of the interwiki links. |
| 04:32.46 | Kirkburn|sleep | Yeah, it should have interwikis where possible |
| 04:33.18 | Bagginsww | btw kirkburn last week I updated the NPOV template so that its specifically points out one of the more immportant rules as to what that's used for. |
| 04:33.32 | Bagginsww | I.e. fan point of view only |
| 04:33.53 | Bagginsww | since there was confusion of its use in the past :) |
| 04:34.54 | Kirkburn|sleep | I know, I even edited the template after you :P |
| 04:35.00 | pcj | http://www.wowwiki.com/Guild:Casual_Gamerz_%28Sen%27jin_US%29/Grouping_Fun |
| 04:35.03 | Sky2042 | muses that he could open all of them... |
| 04:36.18 | Bagginsww | well I don't know what you changed on it I didn't check, but meant to ask you if that was ok |
| 04:37.09 | pcj | http://www.wowwiki.com/Guild:Casual_Gamerz_%28Sen%27jin_US%29/Attunements |
| 04:38.56 | Sky2042 | 20 deletions in a minute |
| 04:39.00 | Sky2042 | rawr |
| 04:44.06 | Fisker- | flexes Sky2042's muscles |
| 04:44.09 | Fisker- | anal muscles that is |
| 04:44.26 | Sky2042 | sighs a Fisker-. |
| 04:44.46 | Fisker- | i just never learn, do i? |
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| 04:48.13 | Bagginsww | yay act 1 is finally complete just need to look over it a bit for mistakes |
| 04:48.18 | Bagginsww | and possibly add a few more citations |
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| 05:30.39 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Baggins/sandbox |
| 05:32.00 | Fisker- | go straight to jail Bagginsww |
| 05:32.06 | Fisker- | if you pass start you don't collect any money |
| 05:32.11 | Bagginsww | LOL |
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| 07:34.32 | Bagginsww | almost done with Act ii |
| 07:36.10 | Lukian | diablo II? :D |
| 07:36.26 | Bagginsww | warcraft II work |
| 07:36.35 | Bagginsww | in my sandbox |
| 07:37.32 | Lukian | ancient! |
| 07:41.55 | Bagginsww | done |
| 07:42.04 | Bagginsww | about to add it :) |
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| 09:44.50 | Bagginsww | what's wrong with wowwiki its so slowwiki |
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| 09:49.51 | Fisker- | hey Bagginsww you landed on a chance-spot |
| 10:05.02 | Ose | ehm... didn't someone tell Rolandius to mark stubbish pages as stubs when he creates them? |
| 10:18.02 | Bagginsww | well not everything he creates are necesarily stubs |
| 10:18.25 | Bagginsww | I mean if it is the limit of the information its not a stub :p |
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| 10:19.03 | Bagginsww | however the article might have notablity issues :p |
| 10:19.30 | Bagginsww | he creates alot of articles to define english words that are only used once :p |
| 10:19.56 | Bagginsww | I mean he'd literally take a word like say "gauntlet" and then define it :p |
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| 10:21.38 | g0urra | God damn Rolandius |
| 10:21.51 | g0urra | "Bor was someone mentioned by Grimbeard. Who Bor is unknown. " |
| 10:23.21 | Bagginsww | ... |
| 10:23.29 | Bagginsww | so minor... |
| 10:23.42 | Bagginsww | and he isn't citing |
| 10:23.45 | Bagginsww | issue numbers |
| 10:26.01 | Bagginsww | what the hell is a mer'hag? |
| 10:26.21 | Bagginsww | this isn't from that unofficial last dwarf comic is it? |
| 10:26.48 | Bagginsww | beyond being drawn by samwise I don't think its actually warcraft |
| 10:27.46 | g0urra | http://www.sonsofthestorm.com/lastdwarf.html |
| 10:27.52 | g0urra | "In the end, only one Dwarf remained... Grimbeard, the engineer responsible for shaping the Dwarven weapons of war and erecting the mighty fortress prisons." |
| 10:28.17 | Bagginsww | I don't think its offical |
| 10:28.21 | g0urra | "#1 - Axxe marks the spot" |
| 10:28.33 | Bagginsww | it should't have the manga designation |
| 10:28.37 | Bagginsww | erm graphic novel |
| 10:28.38 | Bagginsww | template |
| 10:28.47 | Bagginsww | nor should it be under lore characters |
| 10:28.53 | Bagginsww | its his personal work |
| 10:28.55 | Bagginsww | nothing more |
| 10:29.05 | Bagginsww | otherwise it would have the blizzard copyright on it |
| 10:29.25 | Bagginsww | and be listed under his warcraft content |
| 10:29.25 | g0urra | "How do I cite a source when it is not in the citation page?" |
| 10:29.47 | Bagginsww | .... |
| 10:30.02 | g0urra | Bagginsww, just delete it and tell him that his Samwise's comic isn't "official lore" |
| 10:30.20 | Bagginsww | next stepp he'll make a kitsune article Lawl |
| 10:31.24 | Bagginsww | can you give me a hand by putting speedy delete on all the related ones |
| 10:31.39 | g0urra | k |
| 10:33.02 | Bagginsww | i might allow a last dwarf page, that discusses the comics and briefly mentions the plots and events, but that's the limit to it LOL |
| 10:33.20 | Bagginsww | cause its obviously inspired by warcraft despite being official :p |
| 10:33.48 | Bagginsww | *unofficial |
| 10:35.07 | g0urra | why the heck would there be a "Songs" category |
| 10:35.32 | Bagginsww | uh fan songs and the one ingame? |
| 10:36.05 | g0urra | Heh |
| 10:36.08 | g0urra | "Well that was a lot of typing for nothing.LOL How do I tell if it is official? I saw dozens of pictures on that site that are also on this site." |
| 10:49.47 | Bagginsww | ... |
| 10:53.31 | g0urra | Indeed |
| 10:56.57 | Fisker- | http://www.atari-store.eu/pc-games/buy-download-Alone_In_The_Dark.html <-o hai, we can't do math |
| 10:59.24 | Bagginsww | I'm intrigued by that game |
| 10:59.30 | Bagginsww | the concept sounds cool |
| 10:59.39 | Bagginsww | and I liked the first 3 games int he series |
| 10:59.43 | Bagginsww | 4 was eh |
| 10:59.43 | g0urra | If you mean with the minutes, I do think it's bit not byte.. |
| 11:00.15 | g0urra | 3177/8/60*8 = 52,95 |
| 11:01.18 | g0urra | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Spirits_of_Vengeance&rcid=1393472 ok what |
| 11:01.23 | Fisker- | FYIAD |
| 11:01.48 | Ose | [[Spirit of Vengeance]]... |
| 11:01.48 | Dotted | Ose meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Spirit_of_Vengeance |
| 11:02.08 | Ose | g0urra: why not? |
| 11:02.20 | g0urra | pcj doesn't like it |
| 11:02.25 | g0urra | [[WW:CAT]] |
| 11:02.26 | Dotted | g0urra meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/WW:CAT |
| 11:02.34 | Fisker- | Dotted |
| 11:02.36 | Fisker- | FYIAD |
| 11:02.41 | Fisker- | fuck you |
| 11:02.43 | Fisker- | you're a bot |
| 11:02.46 | g0urra | and there's already Server: stuff |
| 11:03.29 | Ose | [[Category:Moonglade Europe players]] then fix the other template too duh |
| 11:03.30 | Dotted | Ose meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:Moonglade_Europe_players |
| 11:05.38 | g0urra | what other template? |
| 11:05.54 | Fisker- | [[FYIAD]] |
| 11:05.55 | Dotted | Fisker- meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/FYIAD |
| 11:06.00 | g0urra | [[FU]] |
| 11:06.00 | Dotted | g0urra meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/FU |
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| 11:07.03 | Ose | http://g2.start.no/tegneserier/striper/bizarro/biz-striper/biz20080616.gif hehe |
| 11:07.54 | Bagginsww | that's the second person after zarnks to ask why is half-ogre called satyr I think... |
| 11:08.25 | g0urra | I removed the satyr part from the image but it's still there :/ |
| 11:09.07 | Bagginsww | its an artist sig |
| 11:10.07 | Bagginsww | slowwiki... |
| 11:10.13 | g0urra | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Halfogre.jpg |
| 11:10.36 | Ose | http://content-comics.drunkduck.com/comics/C/Cru_The_DwarF/pages/74e09d416d468454dd91a9aec2287ecd.jpg RICHARD! |
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| 11:29.08 | Ose | hullo Kirkburn |
| 11:29.15 | Kirkburn | Heya |
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| 11:44.27 | Kirkburn | The spoiler template was removed, right? |
| 11:46.54 | Ose | o.O |
| 11:47.01 | Ose | magelo ad kewl |
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| 12:26.10 | g0urra | Bagginsww |
| 12:26.19 | g0urra | Do you see all the artwork Rolandius is adding? |
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| 14:02.11 | Kefkai | so uhmm |
| 14:02.24 | Kefkai | the Guild website utilities page has gone to hell :( |
| 14:02.52 | Kefkai | half of the "utilities" read like advertisements for the various sites offering guild content management :o |
| 14:03.15 | Kefkai | 5 STUNNING template designs! - With over 60,000 happy users, you can't go wrong! |
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| 14:03.51 | Kefkai | also everything that works with joomla pretty much works with mambo - those two could be combined into a single entry :o |
| 14:04.08 | Kefkai | I suppose I should just edit the page instead of complain but Im pretty sure I forgot my password :P |
| 14:06.43 | Kalroth | Adys_ Adys_ Adys_ Adys_ |
| 14:06.52 | Adys_ | KALLY KALLY |
| 14:07.07 | Kalroth | didn't you have some item info thingy? |
| 14:07.15 | Kalroth | like http://www.wowhead.com/?item=34430&xml only better |
| 14:07.28 | Adys_ | yeah its still in the works :) |
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| 14:25.35 | Ose | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:WoWWiki-Worldtaker ORLY? |
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| 14:32.10 | ralf-x_ | I really don't understand why people get such a hardon for flesh beast's greaves |
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| 14:35.34 | Ose | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Two_guards_performing_emotes.jpg lol |
| 14:35.45 | Ose | Source: C:\Documents and Settings\Bjørnar\Mine dokumenter\Mine bilder\WoW\Two guards performing emotes.jpg |
| 14:41.57 | sacarasc | hahaha |
| 14:44.07 | pcj | http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080616/D91B4UOO0.html |
| 14:45.16 | ralf-x_ | wtf you can summon Anzu in regular sethekk halls? |
| 14:46.15 | Ose | no? |
| 14:49.01 | ralf-x_ | armory lists a gun that drops from Anzu regular and heroic |
| 14:50.15 | ralf-x_ | must be wrong |
| 14:50.46 | ralf-x_ | http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32780 |
| 14:55.31 | g0urra | fail armory |
| 14:55.43 | ralf-x_ | yea apparently |
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| 15:13.45 | ralf-x_ | hmm |
| 15:14.03 | ralf-x_ | anyone know if you need to be in the group for sethekk halls in order to get the shadow labs key? |
| 15:14.23 | ralf-x_ | i.e. can you kill the boss and then summon ppl in to open the box it's in |
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| 15:24.52 | pcj | somehow i doubt it |
| 15:25.17 | ralf-x_ | yea... I'm skeptical too |
| 15:25.29 | ralf-x_ | wowhead doesn't indicate one way or the other |
| 15:29.24 | Arrowmaster | shadow labs key is in a box now? i thought it droped off the boss |
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| 15:33.00 | Adys_ | no you cant ralf-x_ |
| 15:33.17 | ralf-x_ | Arrowmaster: I thought it was the boss too, which I why I don't have the !@#$ thing now |
| 15:33.42 | Adys_ | it used to drop from the boss |
| 15:33.59 | Adys_ | i guess they got complaints from people who cant stay alive in a fight ^^ |
| 15:34.18 | ralf-x_ | eh, teh box is after the boss iirc |
| 15:34.26 | ralf-x_ | i.e. you can't walk around teh boss just to get the key |
| 15:35.15 | ralf-x_ | there's no need to QQ about that boss |
| 15:35.21 | ralf-x_ | 2nd boss in slabs... now that's some bullshit |
| 15:36.20 | ralf-x_ | did shadowlabs 2x yesterday. didn't one shot that guy either time |
| 15:36.33 | ralf-x_ | both runs the healer was double teamed during time for fun and was gibbed |
| 15:37.40 | ralf-x_ | gg blizz :( |
| 15:39.22 | ralf-x_ | heh. I remember doing it in heroic on my shadowpriest |
| 15:39.38 | ralf-x_ | we basically had to tell the firemage to puton her gruul tank gear |
| 15:39.50 | ralf-x_ | so she'd stay alive and also so she wouldn't 1-shot everyone |
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| 16:19.59 | Dotted | etf Fisker- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaS-RYQs4Dk |
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| 17:14.46 | Fisker- | old fake Dotted |
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| 18:12.00 | g0urra | hullo Sky2042 |
| 18:12.11 | Sky2042 | g0urra: hello. why is you pinging me? |
| 18:12.17 | Sky2042 | wonders. |
| 18:12.45 | g0urra | because I just noticed that you joined the channel |
| 18:12.58 | Ragestorm | Don't you two start. |
| 18:13.10 | g0urra | retreats back into the shadows |
| 18:13.24 | Sky2042 | Ragestorm: WHO ARE YOU TO TELL ME WHEN TO START AND WHEN NOT TO?! HUH? YOU'RE ALL THAT'S WRONG IN THE WORLD!!! |
| 18:13.38 | ralf-x_ | ?! |
| 18:13.41 | Ragestorm | Excuse me? |
| 18:13.47 | Sky2042 | You heard me!!!! |
| 18:14.13 | Sky2042 | waits to see if Ragestorm has any humor left in him or not. |
| 18:14.14 | Ragestorm | Yes, I did. Hearing does not equal comprehension. |
| 18:14.25 | Sky2042 | Lol. |
| 18:14.46 | Ragestorm | And as far as wrong in the world goes, I think Deathwing still has a few up on me. |
| 18:14.54 | Adys_ | addicts |
| 18:15.18 | Sky2042 | Hmm... I'd say Gul'dan would top Deathwing. |
| 18:15.26 | Ragestorm | Yes, but he's dead. |
| 18:15.48 | Sky2042 | Only in body. Not in spirit. >.> |
| 18:15.51 | g0urra | I can't wait for Beyond the Dark Portal to say what happened in Outland really |
| 18:15.56 | Ragestorm | Also, Gul'dan was conforming to type. Deathwing betraye his purpose. |
| 18:16.07 | Sky2042 | True... |
| 18:16.15 | AckisWork | yes LORE! /doestheloredance |
| 18:16.26 | AckisWork | after I left my old guild I've had no one to talk to me about lore :( |
| 18:17.02 | Ragestorm | Feel free to talk to us, just don't do it on the talk pages, we're cutting back on non-editorial discussion. |
| 18:17.03 | Sky2042 | AckisWork: Rage is the resident head booky on lore. If he's not here, then you hit up Baggins. And if he's not here, I'll do. =) |
| 18:17.23 | *** kick/#wowwiki [Sky2042!n=Adys@unaffiliated/adys] by Adys_ (if hes not here, ILL do) |
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| 18:17.50 | AckisWork | lol |
| 18:17.51 | Sky2042 | why is it "X was 'booted'" |
| 18:17.52 | Adys_ | i dont know shit about lore, hows "both of us" your opinion ? |
| 18:17.56 | Sky2042 | but "/kick" |
| 18:18.04 | Adys_ | because your client sucks id guess |
| 18:18.05 | Sky2042 | then I'll do better than you, imo. |
| 18:18.13 | Sky2042 | fail. |
| 18:18.16 | AckisWork | best lore = dragon stuffz btw :D |
| 18:18.25 | g0urra | FYIAD |
| 18:18.48 | Adys_ | whats your client Sky2042? |
| 18:19.05 | g0urra | mine says: |
| 18:19.05 | g0urra | * Sky2042 har sparkat ut Adys_ från #wowwiki (both of us, imo) |
| 18:19.07 | g0urra | =( |
| 18:19.07 | Sky2042 | not yours obviously. |
| 18:19.23 | Sky2042 | g0urra: why do you have a swedish language client? |
| 18:19.38 | g0urra | idk my bff jill did it |
| 18:19.47 | Sky2042 | lul |
| 18:19.50 | Ragestorm | My browser did something similar. |
| 18:19.52 | Sky2042 | Adys_ obviously not yours. :O |
| 18:20.01 | Ragestorm | For months, all I could get was Google in Turkish. |
| 18:20.21 | g0urra | TinyPic went dutch on me. |
| 18:20.23 | Adys_ | oO |
| 18:20.29 | Adys_ | Ragestorm: preferences, language |
| 18:20.42 | Sky2042 | Ragestorm: xD |
| 18:20.42 | Ragestorm | I fixed it. |
| 18:21.09 | g0urra | mm Jolt |
| 18:21.10 | Ragestorm | Now I just have to get my keyboard off Korean. |
| 18:23.37 | Ragestorm | Sky2042, how is Gul'dan still alive in spirit? |
| 18:23.45 | Sky2042 | o_o |
| 18:24.26 | Sky2042 | [[gul'dan]] |
| 18:24.27 | Dotted | Sky2042 meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/gul'dan |
| 18:24.43 | Sky2042 | oh |
| 18:24.43 | Sky2042 | never minds |
| 18:24.48 | Sky2042 | btw Dotted, stop lagging so hard. |
| 18:24.54 | Ragestorm | You said earlier that Gul'dan was dead in body but not spirit. the Illidan rumor is trumped up by people who can't accept he's evil |
| 18:25.44 | Ragestorm | Interestingly, I notice the same people who idolize Illidan are the same ones who accuse the authors of making Mary Sues. |
| 18:25.49 | Sky2042 | Didn't realize the spirit of him in WoW was a memory type image. |
| 18:25.56 | Sky2042 | Ragestorm: haha. too true. |
| 18:25.59 | Ragestorm | ah |
| 18:27.22 | Ragestorm | That's it, I'm going to have to remove http://www.wowwiki.com/Burning_Legion#Command_structure |
| 18:27.32 | Ragestorm | This is getting absurd. |
| 18:28.21 | Sky2042 | Nooooooooo..... |
| 18:28.28 | Sky2042 | nos. |
| 18:29.09 | Ragestorm | It was a good idea, but when someone tries to add Garona, I think it has gone too far. |
| 18:29.11 | Sky2042 | I kinda' like how it illuminates who is dead and who is not. |
| 18:29.13 | Sky2042 | Lol. |
| 18:29.27 | Sky2042 | Eh, move it to the talk page imo. |
| 18:29.35 | g0urra | Maybe I should add Illidan. |
| 18:29.39 | Ragestorm | It's essentially a list of everyone loosely affiliated now. |
| 18:30.01 | AckisWork | that's a cool list not going to lie... It could be separated into different ones |
| 18:30.22 | g0urra | Mmm pizza |
| 18:30.24 | Ragestorm | Structurally it should be changed- Kil;jaeden and Archimonde don't command distinct forces. |
| 18:31.24 | g0urra | but KJ commands Kael'thas which commands blood elves... |
| 18:31.47 | Ragestorm | Yes, but Kael can't report to Archimonde because he's dead. |
| 18:31.48 | Sky2042 | KJ doesn't really command anything atm... |
| 18:32.11 | g0urra | lets everyone know he was just kidding |
| 18:32.14 | Sky2042 | Kael just wants him through the portal because KJ promised him power, and no reason else. |
| 18:32.18 | Ragestorm | Well, he does, just not in combat. |
| 18:32.21 | Sky2042 | g0urra: you should know better. |
| 18:32.38 | g0urra | Hey, I was. |
| 18:38.22 | Ragestorm | There, we'll see if anybody other than the usual suspects give me an opinion. |
| 18:38.46 | Sky2042 | suspects he is a usual suspect. |
| 18:39.34 | Ragestorm | No, these days it's Baggins or Rolandius responding to me on-site. |
| 18:39.40 | Sky2042 | heh. |
| 18:39.41 | Ragestorm | Usually in disagreement. |
| 18:39.44 | Sky2042 | :O |
| 18:39.54 | Sky2042 | Take control man! |
| 18:39.56 | Sky2042 | ;P |
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| 18:40.25 | Ragestorm | Last time I tried that, I fought off three accusations of unprofessionalism. |
| 18:40.32 | Sky2042 | xD |
| 18:40.33 | Sky2042 | ouch. |
| 18:41.06 | Dotted | [@Sky2042]: Take control man! <- says the guy, too scared of reverting a fandy edit! |
| 18:41.24 | Sky2042 | Dotted: logs imo. |
| 18:42.22 | Ragestorm | Besides, Baggins usually has the RPG on his side. We just differ in opinion of notability. |
| 18:42.43 | Sky2042 | >.> |
| 18:43.03 | Sky2042 | He (unfortunately?) doesn't look to the other source first... |
| 18:43.09 | Ragestorm | Rolandius, however, cannot recall simple warnings on non-editorial discussions and in-universe perspective. |
| 18:44.14 | Ragestorm | Baggins is reliable on most counts |
| 18:45.03 | Sky2042 | MIRANDA! |
| 18:45.12 | Sky2042 | Adys_: It's your girlfriend! |
| 18:46.01 | g0urra | jun 16 12:21:50 <g0urra>"Bor was someone mentioned by Grimbeard. Who Bor is unknown. " |
| 18:46.06 | g0urra | ^ added by Rolandius |
| 18:47.38 | Ragestorm | You see my point about notability? |
| 18:47.52 | g0urra | Ragestorm: do you know who Grimbeard is? |
| 18:48.21 | g0urra | http://www.sonsofthestorm.com/lastdwarf.html |
| 18:48.29 | Ragestorm | '''Grimbeard''' is the engineer responsible for shaping the [[Dwarven]] weapons of war and erecting the mighty fortress prisons. |
| 18:48.43 | Ragestorm | It's tagged with the graphic novel stamp. |
| 18:48.44 | Sky2042 | nice copy paste ragestorm. |
| 18:48.54 | Ragestorm | Three guesses who added that one. |
| 18:49.32 | Sky2042 | Hmm. His name starts with a B, he is other wise known as "the hobbit", and his sig is annoying as hell. |
| 18:50.06 | Ragestorm | What are you getting at? |
| 18:50.07 | Sky2042 | omg, i is wrong! |
| 18:50.19 | Sky2042 | l00sez. |
| 18:50.40 | Sky2042 | the same thing you usually do :P |
| 18:50.56 | Ragestorm | <all parties please be advised that Baggins is an anointed admin and the Head Bookkeeper's right hand> |
| 18:51.16 | Sky2042 | is afeared. |
| 18:51.20 | Sky2042 | Not really. |
| 18:51.28 | Sky2042 | >.> |
| 18:51.30 | Sky2042 | <.< |
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| 19:14.00 | Adys_ | Sky2042: Miranda IM |
| 19:14.08 | Adys_ | Miranda ME is shite |
| 19:14.09 | Sky2042 | Adys_ I know. ;P |
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| 19:26.48 | Sky2042 | wtf? |
| 19:30.06 | Fisker- | go straight to jail Sky2042 |
| 19:30.17 | Fisker- | if you pass start you do not collect $200 |
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| 19:30.32 | Fisker- | also |
| 19:30.32 | *** kick/#wowwiki [Fisker-!n=Sky2042@wikimedia/Izno] by Sky2042 (I'll collect $200 whenever I feel like it.) |
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| 19:30.37 | Fisker- | [21:30:29] * You were kicked from #wowwiki by Sky2042 (I'll collect $200 whenever I feel like it.) |
| 19:30.37 | Fisker- | [21:30:30] <Fisker-> no kicking |
| 19:30.38 | Fisker- | DAMNIT |
| 19:30.46 | Sky2042 | LOL |
| 19:30.53 | Sky2042 | type faster. |
| 19:36.50 | Fisker- | 12 days till Diablo 3 |
| 19:38.00 | Ragestorm | What? |
| 19:38.06 | ralf-x_ | ... |
| 19:38.16 | Ragestorm | Fisker, do NOT toy with my emotions. |
| 19:39.25 | Fisker- | :) |
| 19:39.33 | Fisker- | It's obviously going to be announced on the WWI |
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| 19:41.09 | Ragestorm | It's obviously going to be announced on the World War One? |
| 19:41.15 | Sky2042 | ^? |
| 19:41.23 | Fisker- | World Wide Invitationals |
| 19:41.36 | Ragestorm | As far as I'm concerned, WWI only stands for the war. |
| 19:41.46 | ralf-x_ | I'm gonna have to side with Ragestorm on this one |
| 19:42.08 | Fisker- | I'm gonna have to side with myself |
| 19:42.11 | Fisker- | twice |
| 19:42.13 | Ragestorm | And how it is "obviously" going to be announced? |
| 19:42.14 | Fisker- | so it's 3 against 2 |
| 19:42.29 | Fisker- | You have to keep up hope, even when it's hopeless |
| 19:42.38 | Fisker- | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:42.55 | Fisker- | Anyways xfire spilled the beans that there's going to be a game announcement |
| 19:43.01 | Fisker- | and Blizzard owes us one from last year |
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| 19:43.11 | Ragestorm | Oh, for the... |
| 19:43.17 | Fisker- | ? |
| 19:43.27 | Ragestorm | I hate to resort to Sky's level, but there it is. |
| 19:43.39 | Fisker- | Very mature :) |
| 19:43.41 | Sky2042 | Hey! |
| 19:43.48 | Sky2042 | I resent that! |
| 19:43.55 | Ragestorm | Well you should. |
| 19:44.03 | Sky2042 | It's only Adys_' level! |
| 19:44.17 | Ragestorm | Which you replicate? |
| 19:44.24 | Sky2042 | Yup! =] |
| 19:44.24 | Adys_ | there's an s after the fucking apostrophe you illiterate |
| 19:44.37 | Sky2042 | Adys_: Nope. |
| 19:44.38 | Ragestorm | Language. |
| 19:44.39 | Sky2042 | Look it up. |
| 19:44.48 | Ragestorm | Actually, there is, Sky. |
| 19:44.55 | Fisker- | not after an s |
| 19:44.56 | Sky2042 | Adys's? |
| 19:44.58 | Sky2042 | Nope. |
| 19:45.00 | Ragestorm | Yes. |
| 19:45.01 | Fisker- | i don't think underscores are counted |
| 19:45.02 | Sky2042 | Adys' |
| 19:45.03 | Adys_ | Not Adys's |
| 19:45.07 | Adys_ | Not Adys' |
| 19:45.12 | Adys_ | It's Adys_'s |
| 19:45.16 | Fisker- | i disagree |
| 19:45.19 | Sky2042 | isn't counting the underscore, failure. |
| 19:45.22 | *** kick/#wowwiki [Fisker-!n=Adys@unaffiliated/adys] by Adys_ (I dont give a shite) |
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| 19:45.28 | Fisker- | It's shit |
| 19:45.29 | Adys_ | afk |
| 19:45.30 | Fisker- | also |
| 19:45.33 | Fisker- | i still disagree |
| 19:45.36 | Ragestorm | You can, but the English language disagrees, look it up. |
| 19:45.39 | Fisker- | but you cared enough to kick me :o |
| 19:45.49 | Sky2042 | Ragestorm: No it doesn't. You need to look it up if you really think we're wrong. :/ |
| 19:45.55 | Fisker- | This is very exciting to discuss |
| 19:46.15 | Ragestorm | Fisker, they're just showing off. |
| 19:46.23 | Fisker- | almost like that internet is serious business guy |
| 19:46.37 | Fisker- | except i only got one hand raised and a smile on my face |
| 19:46.45 | Fisker- | since i can't write with both of my hands in the air |
| 19:47.28 | Sky2042 | wonders what Fisker- is really doing with his other hand. |
| 19:47.41 | Ragestorm | Fisker, you should know that you're in the running for the "most kicks in one session" award. |
| 19:47.42 | Fisker- | well when i'm not writing... |
| 19:48.07 | Ragestorm | Don't finish the thought, we're only rated T. |
| 19:48.24 | Fisker- | online content not rated! |
| 19:48.29 | ralf-x_ | :D |
| 19:48.30 | Sky2042 | Ragestorm: only on-wiki. IRC is something else indeed. |
| 19:48.39 | Sky2042 | ^^ |
| 19:49.00 | Ragestorm | Smug little @#$%! |
| 19:49.13 | Sky2042 | I know. |
| 19:49.50 | Sky2042 | so, rooting for Austria or Germany? |
| 19:51.12 | Ragestorm | Don't really care- going completely against my DNA, I don't follow football. |
| 19:51.33 | Sky2042 | Ragestorm: fail! |
| 19:51.45 | Ragestorm | At least I don't call it soccer. |
| 19:51.55 | Sky2042 | Ragestorm: I didn't call it that either. :P |
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| 19:52.05 | Sky2042 | Pretty goal... |
| 19:52.05 | Fisker- | I can't tell you who i'm rooting for |
| 19:52.08 | Fisker- | cause i'd break my nda |
| 19:53.51 | Sky2042 | Ragestorm: it's on right now ;o |
| 19:54.22 | Ragestorm | I'm in New York, what American cable gives football? |
| 19:54.30 | Sky2042 | ESPN |
| 19:54.36 | Sky2042 | should be 35ish probably. |
| 19:54.52 | Ragestorm | That's a relief, usually I have to resort to Telemundo. |
| 19:54.55 | Sky2042 | Heh |
| 19:55.00 | Fisker- | wouldn't that be awesome? |
| 19:55.02 | Sky2042 | I love listening to the Spanish :D |
| 19:55.05 | Fisker- | If they interviewed one of the trainers |
| 19:55.12 | Fisker- | "What do you think the outcome will be?" |
| 19:55.23 | Fisker- | And his answer was; "I'm under a NDA" |
| 19:55.23 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 20:02.59 | Sky2042 | g0urra: change the image in your talk page ambox. it makes me feel duplicated :( |
| 20:10.08 | AckisWork | anyone here collect/play the wow tcg? |
| 20:19.04 | ralf-x_ | not I |
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| 21:07.35 | Ose | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Server_project/Progression_Table look better now? |
| 21:07.46 | Ose | g0urra ^ |
| 21:08.17 | g0urra | Yes |
| 21:09.07 | Kyrin | *website* |
| 21:11.39 | Ose | http://www.wowwiki.com/Server:Khadgar_US/Progress definently looks better |
| 21:12.44 | Ose | g0urra: should I change the guildlist tempaltes too? |
| 21:12.54 | g0urra | Sure |
| 21:14.22 | Sky2042 | Ose: which template? |
| 21:14.38 | Ose | {{G/Entry}} |
| 21:14.39 | Dotted | Ose meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:G/Entry |
| 21:14.45 | Ose | {{G/Header}} |
| 21:14.45 | Dotted | Ose meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:G/Header |
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| 21:21.51 | g0urra | augh the Horde guild list makes my eyes bleed |
| 21:22.00 | g0urra | http://www.wowwiki.com/Server:Moonglade_Europe/Guilds#Horde_Guilds |
| 21:22.07 | g0urra | and why the heck are there so many headers |
| 21:32.47 | Sky2042 | agreed with g0urra. |
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| 21:33.35 | Ose | the idea is that the progression template will link to the guilds entry in that list |
| 21:33.47 | Ose | g0urra, Sky2042 ^ |
| 21:34.02 | g0urra | fail |
| 21:34.34 | Sky2042 | Ose: it's the color... |
| 21:34.49 | Ose | feel fre to change |
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| 21:35.16 | Ose | I saw how fric had done his character table and copied some stuff, including the colors |
| 21:43.56 | g0urra | I'm hungry |
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| 21:45.38 | Ose | infobot, feed g0urra |
| 21:45.38 | infobot | ACTION offers g0urra some horseraddish |
| 21:46.00 | g0urra | slaps Ose around a bit with a large orca whale |
| 21:46.12 | Ose | Willy! |
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| 21:56.01 | g0urra | finally 300 mining |
| 21:57.00 | sacarasc | got much thorium? |
| 21:57.34 | g0urra | It goes grey at 290. |
| 21:57.44 | g0urra | And I mined it all. |
| 21:58.34 | sacarasc | rich thorium stays green till over 300, i thought |
| 22:00.04 | sacarasc | http://www.wowwiki.com/Mining_proficiencies says it goes grey at 365ish, but i don't believe that... |
| 22:00.26 | g0urra | sacarasc, I have to find the veins and mine them.. |
| 22:00.52 | sacarasc | that's easy, unless you're a lower level char |
| 22:01.08 | g0urra | It's easy, but time-consuming |
| 22:01.58 | sacarasc | fast mount riding round EPL... ah, boring times :D |
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| 22:24.03 | g0urra | Alexandros Mograine huh |
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| 22:59.40 | foxlit | "A.T.O.M." "Not to be confused with A.T.O.M." |
| 22:59.53 | foxlit | spot the subtle difference! :) |
| 23:01.03 | pcj | wait, there isn't one |
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| 23:03.21 | foxlit | not subtle enough, clearly |
| 23:04.13 | FullDolphinX | http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Sky2042#Kalimag <-Fan fiction or no? |
| 23:09.05 | g0urra | Unless it's cited from an official Blizzard source it's fanfic imo |
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