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| 01:58.20 | Bagginsw | hmm I have a question |
| 01:58.30 | Bagginsw | pcj maybe you might know |
| 01:58.41 | Bagginsw | ok, is it possible to create additional tabs for a topic? |
| 01:59.15 | Sky2042 | Bagginsw: ? |
| 01:59.28 | Bagginsw | like for example currently we have article and discussion |
| 01:59.49 | Bagginsw | would it be possible to add a third, for perhaps "speculation" |
| 02:00.19 | Bagginsw | then we could move the speculative stuff to its own page |
| 02:00.46 | Bagginsw | and have less "original research" type stuff on the main pages |
| 02:01.27 | Sky2042 | Bagginsw: is possible, but that's just going in the mainspace. better to either a) keep it off the main page or b) move it to the talk page or c) move it to a subpage of the talk page a la Talk:X/Analysis or d) delete it altogether |
| 02:01.51 | Bagginsw | I actually was thinking of something along the lines of b and d |
| 02:01.59 | Bagginsw | as another alternative |
| 02:02.08 | Bagginsw | if it was on the talk page, it might have to go towards the top. |
| 02:02.40 | Bagginsw | make no sense to have it interspersed throughout the discussions |
| 02:03.32 | Sky2042 | Bagginsw: eh, that just gives people ideas to comment on. |
| 02:03.34 | Bagginsw | analysis pages are good too. |
| 02:03.36 | Sky2042 | damnit, there's a phone... |
| 02:03.59 | Bagginsw | well sky that was kind of the idea have it at the top the main "speculation" overviews |
| 02:04.13 | Bagginsw | then people can discuss their opinions below in the main discussion sections |
| 02:04.33 | Sky2042 | yes, but that defeats the purpose of "makes no sense to have it interspersed", doesn't it? |
| 02:04.35 | Sky2042 | ;p |
| 02:04.40 | Bagginsw | If good poitns are made, then some of the content from discusison then moved into the overview |
| 02:05.09 | Bagginsw | I meant having the speculation being a kind of banner type thing |
| 02:06.16 | Bagginsw | One problem I'm beginning to have with speculation sections is they are being used by people as a place to put "ideas", i.e. "What if blah blah" |
| 02:07.35 | Bagginsw | while a certain level of that is healthy, some ideas might be way of the mark. |
| 02:07.59 | Sky2042 | then get rid of them |
| 02:08.03 | Sky2042 | simple, no? |
| 02:08.17 | Bagginsw | all speculaiton or the "way out there ones" LOL |
| 02:08.21 | Bagginsw | I've removed the latter :) |
| 02:08.30 | Bagginsw | but some people just initiate an edit war :p |
| 02:09.01 | Bagginsw | so its kinda messy :p |
| 02:09.14 | Sky2042 | then /ask/ them to stop, and/or post it in a subpage, and explain why it's so farfetched |
| 02:09.17 | Bagginsw | at least speculation isn't being used for made up rumors like it used to be LOL |
| 02:09.29 | pcj | well baggins can always ask for a new namespace |
| 02:09.57 | Bagginsw | true |
| 02:10.09 | Sky2042 | to which he'd be denied, i think... |
| 02:10.15 | Bagginsw | anycase I'm discussing here before we implement anything to see other people's opinions |
| 02:10.44 | Sky2042 | it's part of the reason why i asked for a forum type system to be set up for wowwiki. |
| 02:11.01 | Sky2042 | rather than this rather silly village/warcraft pump system we're going with. |
| 02:11.06 | Bagginsw | hmm a wowwiki forum would be kinda cool |
| 02:12.01 | Bagginsw | generally speaking though ya I would like to see speculation removed off the main page. If it existed only as discusisons I'd be fine with that. |
| 02:12.08 | Sky2042 | afks. |
| 02:12.46 | Bagginsw | a more transparent link to the discusison the main page would be preferrable |
| 02:12.55 | Bagginsw | from the main article page I mean |
| 02:13.16 | Bagginsw | like we did with the analysis pages |
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| 05:38.30 | Niat | morning, mates |
| 05:38.57 | Sky2042_afk | morning Niat. |
| 05:39.03 | Sky2042_afk | or rather... |
| 05:39.06 | Sky2042_afk | ~ugt |
| 05:39.06 | infobot | rumour has it, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
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| 14:31.45 | Kraps | even though its made by a traitorous horde player :p |
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| 17:46.08 | ralfWORK | hmm. I wonder if I should get a thunderfury for my warrior :D |
| 17:47.19 | Mikk | just in time for wotlk! |
| 17:52.04 | ralfWORK | hell yea! |
| 17:52.23 | ralfWORK | the bindings are a low drop rate though aren't they :( |
| 17:56.30 | sacarasc | lucky warriors with the legendaries they can use |
| 17:59.10 | Kaso | They are very low drop rate |
| 17:59.19 | Kaso | and sod's law you'll end up getting three of the same |
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| 18:00.21 | Kyrin | Yeah, and then the elementium to smelt... |
| 18:01.03 | ralfWORK | rofl |
| 18:01.16 | ralfWORK | well I'd imagine I could get elementium, but maybe not |
| 18:01.27 | ralfWORK | problem is farming a raid boss that resets once per week |
| 18:01.40 | ralfWORK | limits how many times I can grind it :P |
| 18:02.45 | sacarasc | start now! |
| 18:02.49 | ralfWORK | :D |
| 18:03.15 | ralfWORK | naw, took me long enough to grind mongoose pattern and my damn KZ trash neck on my spriest :P |
| 18:03.48 | ralfWORK | they should just make thunderfury purchasable by badges! that's what kids do these days! |
| 18:06.40 | Mikk | sacarasc: bah, the kara port staff is still kickass! well worth the grind! |
| 18:06.54 | ralfWORK | I could do both! |
| 18:07.50 | sacarasc | there's only 1 legendary in the game that my shaman can use... there should be more |
| 18:08.00 | ralfWORK | sacarasc: which is that? |
| 18:08.27 | sacarasc | http://www.wowwiki.com/Sulfuras%2C_Hand_of_Ragnaros |
| 18:08.42 | ralfWORK | hmm. you can't DE legendaries can you? |
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| 18:11.47 | Fisker- | bope ralfWORK |
| 18:11.48 | Fisker- | nope* |
| 18:14.14 | ralfWORK | figures |
| 18:14.46 | ralfWORK | old co-worker said that when BC came out all his guildmates DEd their legendaries because they were worthless |
| 18:15.07 | ralfWORK | this person is a pathological liar, but it didn't occur to me that he was lying about that specific item |
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| 18:21.31 | Fisker- | well you can always destroy them >P |
| 18:21.32 | Fisker- | :P |
| 18:25.18 | Kyrin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IRUV6UAYfs |
| 18:28.49 | Kyrin | err |
| 18:28.53 | Kyrin | wrong channel >.< |
| 18:32.05 | sacarasc | good old comedy |
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| 18:42.42 | Sargonas | yar |
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| 20:25.13 | Melin2 | anyone know if its possible to do colored /rw's? |
| 20:27.06 | pcj | there may be an addon to do it |
| 20:28.06 | Melin2 | well.. thats what Im trying to find out :P as Deadly boss mods does it - but I cant find out how |
| 20:28.23 | Sargonas | funny you mention that |
| 20:28.30 | Sargonas | a few weeks ago i dug though DMB trying to find out how they did it |
| 20:28.39 | Sargonas | stopped though when i got side tracked... i should look at that again |
| 20:28.58 | Melin2 | cause when I try :P I get the colorcode in the message - or a blank message |
| 20:29.22 | Sargonas | haha |
| 20:29.33 | Sargonas | one sec, i have wow on a few machines here at work, let me go though the code again real fast |
| 20:29.49 | Melin2 | it cant be an addon thing only - cause I get colored messages on those not running DBM aswell |
| 20:30.46 | Sargonas | yeah but im pretty sure its a trick you do in how you call the rw command into the gui |
| 20:30.56 | Sargonas | which im sure any mod that does that, is using some extra API trick |
| 20:31.11 | Sargonas | so likely its in DBM somewhere just cause its the most prevalent mod i can think of to use it |
| 20:31.39 | Melin2 | yea - but what I mean is - you dont need DBM to see the colored messages |
| 20:31.54 | Sargonas | right |
| 20:32.15 | Sargonas | but dbm is using the command to make them, so in theory, somewhere in the DBM code is the command to output colored RWs :) |
| 20:32.30 | Melin2 | yup |
| 20:32.34 | Melin2 | Ive been looking too =) |
| 20:33.31 | Sargonas | yeah never found it though, before i got sidetracked that week by work stuff that day, never looked since |
| 20:35.40 | Melin2 | my guess is its in DBM.lua |
| 20:36.17 | Melin2 | check row 1202 |
| 20:36.58 | Sargonas | aha |
| 20:37.16 | Sargonas | when you use color codes, you said they show up right? |
| 20:37.22 | Sargonas | but does the warning still come out in the right color? |
| 20:37.27 | Melin2 | and again 2497 and forward |
| 20:37.32 | Melin2 | yeaps |
| 20:37.42 | Melin2 | I get like ff00aa00Message stuff |
| 20:37.46 | Melin2 | with | |
| 20:37.49 | Sargonas | you need to enclose the color codes in white spaces |
| 20:37.58 | Sargonas | so the codes then come out blank |
| 20:38.01 | Sargonas | on screen |
| 20:38.07 | Sargonas | and the following text comes out formatted the color |
| 20:38.10 | Melin2 | so.. " |cff00aa00 Message" |
| 20:38.15 | Sargonas | thats how DBM does it |
| 20:38.36 | Sargonas | its putting the codes in white spaces, according to the release notes from 3.0 when they added the colors |
| 20:38.55 | Sargonas | apparetly they had to do that, to keep people from seeing the color codes it says, lol |
| 20:40.32 | Melin2 | ok.. lets try :P |
| 20:41.36 | Sargonas | looks like it should be either "|cff00aa00Messgae" or " |cff00aa00Message" not sure about the preceding space or not |
| 20:42.00 | Melin2 | no spasces in your first example tho |
| 20:42.08 | Sargonas | yeah i know |
| 20:42.12 | Sargonas | its either without a space, or with |
| 20:42.18 | Sargonas | i cant pin down wich without testing it out :) |
| 20:42.29 | Melin2 | well.. |
| 20:42.29 | Melin2 | SendChatMessage(" |cff0066ff "..arg1,"raid_warning",nil); |
| 20:42.32 | Melin2 | aint working |
| 20:42.37 | Melin2 | and Ive tried without spaces aswell |
| 20:42.40 | Sargonas | hmmm |
| 20:42.47 | Melin2 | still get a blank message |
| 20:43.39 | foxlit | You can't send color codes in chat |
| 20:43.42 | Sargonas | hmm |
| 20:43.48 | Sargonas | its not actually chat |
| 20:43.51 | Sargonas | its a raid... |
| 20:43.52 | Sargonas | OH WAIT |
| 20:43.53 | Sargonas | thats it |
| 20:43.57 | Sargonas | you cant do sendchatmessage |
| 20:44.02 | Sargonas | you have to use the other way of calling a RW |
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| 20:44.41 | Sargonas | . /run RaidNotice_AddMessage(RaidBossEmoteFrame, "Your message here!", ChatTypeInfo["RAID_WARNING"]) |
| 20:45.07 | Sargonas | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html;jsessionid=A91933DCBB9FF0A935A82300552E5DD5?topicId=2968109193&sid=1 |
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| 20:45.19 | Kaso | wont that just display locally though? |
| 20:45.45 | Sargonas | shit yeah, DBM only does locally |
| 20:45.55 | Sargonas | poor code example for me to look at :) |
| 20:46.03 | Sargonas | unless Melin is trying to disply it locally only |
| 20:46.09 | Sargonas | i dont think you can send out a RW to others in color |
| 20:46.12 | Kaso | you cant send color over chat without addon on both ends encoding and decoding |
| 20:46.21 | Sargonas | unless there is an addon on each end parsing |
| 20:46.25 | Sargonas | yeah what you said |
| 20:46.26 | Sargonas | lol |
| 20:47.18 | Sargonas | sorry my brain is slow on the change over, im trying to talk UI code in this window, reviewing beta code for a game in another window, and then wokring on a PHP script in a 3rd computer, lol |
| 20:47.43 | Sargonas | my brain can multitask just fine but its not thrilled about 3 different programming languages at once, haha |
| 20:48.02 | Melin2 | no |
| 20:48.12 | Melin2 | I want it visible to players that aint using the addon aswell |
| 20:48.20 | Melin2 | if it was locally Id just to my own message frame |
| 20:48.22 | Sargonas | not sure that is possible |
| 20:48.45 | Melin2 | thats what DBM does |
| 20:48.58 | Sargonas | no, dbm is sending an encapsulated message to other users |
| 20:48.58 | Kaso | thats because dbm has all users using it |
| 20:49.10 | Sargonas | whos copy of DMB then "decodes" the message |
| 20:49.53 | Kaso | Any chance of making that flash banner dismissable >.< its annoying |
| 20:50.26 | Sargonas | if you were running dbm and had some funky way of turning off JUST that feature, and the RW was sent to you from another DBM user, you would endup seeing a funky formaterd message with the color codes on you side, cause DBM wouldnt be parsing that back chanel |
| 20:50.31 | Vilkku | what addon would you guys recommend to show vendor value on items? |
| 20:50.36 | Sargonas | i agree, lol its dirving me much |
| 20:50.43 | Sargonas | auctioneer :) |
| 20:51.08 | Sargonas | umm its driving me mad |
| 20:51.18 | Sargonas | not sure where much came from.. *looks at his fingers in confusion* |
| 20:52.15 | Melin2 | and yea - seems it hooks to raid_warnings |
| 20:52.32 | Melin2 | but then.. if its _that_ simple.. DBM seems very complicated coded :P |
| 20:52.41 | Sargonas | it is |
| 20:52.58 | foxlit | It's mostly useless, too |
| 20:53.06 | foxlit | When is the last time you've seen a useful DBM raid warning? |
| 20:53.20 | Melin2 | KZ - Aran - Flame Wreat - with new people :D |
| 20:53.26 | Melin2 | Wreath* |
| 20:53.34 | Sargonas | hahahaha |
| 20:53.38 | Sargonas | touche |
| 20:53.46 | Kaso | timer bars and audio alerts that are all thats really needed |
| 20:54.11 | foxlit | Blizzard has really been going out of their way to kill those addons in BC |
| 20:54.18 | Melin2 | I dont trust that people have the latest working version of addons installed =) |
| 20:54.25 | foxlit | There's everything from boss' own warnings, to shouts, to other stuff :) |
| 20:54.50 | Sargonas | i love DBM/BW and the like... i wouldnt raid without them, heck my guilds wouldnt let me :p |
| 20:54.51 | Sargonas | but i agree |
| 20:54.53 | Melin2 | yea - frankly.. I dont really understand how people can miss such things in the game now :P |
| 20:54.55 | Sargonas | they over simplify the game |
| 20:55.09 | Melin2 | tbh - I think Blizz is counting on people to have addons now :P |
| 20:55.20 | Melin2 | imagine the hard fights - using no addons |
| 20:55.26 | foxlit | If I wasn't lazy, I'd write something to completely block those broadcasts :) |
| 20:55.26 | Sargonas | blizz gives us all the warnings they want us to have... a savvy player should be able to pickup on enough themselves, using these things just automate whats meant to be a focused, effort fight |
| 20:55.54 | Sargonas | well i think the addons they COUNT on us to have, they are adding into the game |
| 20:56.08 | Melin2 | I made a small addon for a friend - he wanted to block peoples emotes |
| 20:56.14 | Melin2 | he pvps.. and got tired of /spit |
| 20:56.26 | Sargonas | i mean, without going into too much detail that i shouldnt, there are UI improvements going into WotLK that they are trialing the usability of that replace a few very comon mods |
| 20:57.01 | Sargonas | which i find kind of ironic, that some mods become such an expected crutch they implement them into the UI, lol |
| 20:57.18 | Sargonas | because they think you cant play the game anymore without them, which means THEY are developing with that crutch in mind |
| 20:57.49 | Sargonas | oh crap its after 4... time to break out the beer here at work! |
| 20:58.46 | Melin2 | =) |
| 20:59.07 | Sargonas | i love my company, we have the best policy.. Beer Fridays FTW |
| 21:00.17 | Melin2 | hmm.. is there a unitID for the roles in raid? (Im guessing "no") |
| 21:01.25 | foxlit | no |
| 21:01.32 | foxlit | wait, maybe |
| 21:01.44 | foxlit | Those MA boxes have to work somehow |
| 21:01.57 | foxlit | and setting/clearing them is secure, so there just might be |
| 21:04.36 | Sargonas | ok your on you own now for a bit.. time to break out the beer and rockband for an hour or so :p |
| 21:10.31 | Melin2 | foxlit =) |
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| 23:28.24 | foxlit | night! |
| 23:32.22 | Kirkburn | True |
| 23:35.46 | Bagginsw | so, it was suggested a while back, what if we put up official dnd pictures of races that do not have pictures. Just as long as we specifically note in the picture that it is the DnD interpretation of the race? |
| 23:37.10 | Bagginsw | I thinkthe idea was suggested by Austion P |
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