| 00:01.36 | pcj | it should show activity |
| 00:01.37 | pcj | ratio |
| 00:01.43 | pcj | and recency of upload |
| 00:02.21 | pcj | if you consider that end game performance might be a good indicator you could just wowjutsu.com for your server |
| 00:02.29 | pcj | could check* |
| 00:03.54 | DuTempete | wowjutsu at least gets their info from the armoury |
| 00:04.06 | pcj | yeah |
| 00:05.01 | pcj | ofc their site is down when i recommend it |
| 00:05.57 | DuTempete | hehe |
| 00:06.42 | pcj | anyone know what class [The 2 Ring] is good for |
| 00:07.01 | DuTempete | duh... druid |
| 00:07.07 | pcj | 'cause i got it yesterday and am still trying to figure it out |
| 00:07.17 | DuTempete | lol for a prot pally? |
| 00:07.25 | pcj | no it sucks lol |
| 00:07.30 | DuTempete | I suppose it might be a little useful, but not nearly as useful for a druid |
| 00:07.42 | pcj | no dutempete what i mean is it dropped for me ._. |
| 00:07.44 | DuTempete | why did you get it? |
| 00:07.47 | DuTempete | oh |
| 00:07.52 | DuTempete | is ita world drop, then? |
| 00:07.58 | pcj | no |
| 00:08.00 | pcj | fishing daily |
| 00:08.03 | DuTempete | ohhh |
| 00:08.16 | DuTempete | yeah, I would say druid |
| 00:08.21 | DuTempete | probably feral |
| 00:08.25 | pcj | hmm |
| 00:08.30 | pcj | i've had feral druids tell me it sucks |
| 00:08.35 | pcj | and ret pallies drooling at it |
| 00:08.42 | pcj | maybe some people are confused |
| 00:08.46 | DuTempete | well it doesn't have atk and any other bonuses on it |
| 00:08.54 | pcj | yeah that's the thing lol |
| 00:09.13 | pcj | whereas the 1 ring was moderately awesome at level 10 most 70 equipment doesn't go for raw stats |
| 00:09.15 | DuTempete | well aren't ret pallies going less crit/atk and more stats these days? |
| 00:09.21 | DuTempete | exactly |
| 00:09.26 | pcj | well stats are buffed by bok |
| 00:09.34 | pcj | so if you have that in your spec it might work better |
| 00:09.51 | DuTempete | not exactly sure what planned changes are, but my best friend is always babbling at me about pally stuff |
| 00:10.30 | pcj | uh i'm pretty sure next patch will involve some pretty comprehensive tree changes in preparation for wotlk |
| 00:10.46 | DuTempete | but yeah, the problem is it has no bonuses on it |
| 00:10.58 | Krolmor2 | ty all, chcecking out stats now :) |
| 00:11.08 | DuTempete | and every class should ahve at least some bonus on every item |
| 00:11.23 | DuTempete | even ret pallies still need spell damage |
| 00:11.31 | pcj | uhh not spell damage |
| 00:11.37 | DuTempete | no? |
| 00:11.43 | pcj | no ._> |
| 00:11.46 | DuTempete | That spec confuses the shit out of me :( |
| 00:11.49 | pcj | not since their re-itemization |
| 00:11.56 | DuTempete | sigh |
| 00:12.05 | DuTempete | that's part of why I'm confused |
| 00:12.18 | DuTempete | every time I think I know what ret pallies are about, Blizz changes something :P |
| 00:12.28 | pcj | there are a few problems with ret: |
| 00:12.35 | pcj | 1) lots of people who play them are tards |
| 00:12.39 | DuTempete | spike damage :P |
| 00:12.46 | pcj | 2) it's hard to drop aggro |
| 00:12.47 | DuTempete | less so now than before |
| 00:12.55 | pcj | 3) i don't think blizzard even knows what to do with ret |
| 00:12.59 | DuTempete | hehehe |
| 00:20.24 | Krolmor2 | I'm having a little issue deciding between pally and warrior ... :/ |
| 00:20.46 | pcj | for what spec |
| 00:21.09 | Krolmor2 | well... I like tanking. but I also like to occasionally dps |
| 00:21.18 | pcj | uh |
| 00:21.25 | pcj | possibly warrior then |
| 00:21.35 | pcj | but prot pally is loads of fun |
| 00:22.07 | Krolmor2 | I mean, (total 110% noob at both classes) are aplly good tanks for big bosses? |
| 00:22.20 | pcj | yes |
| 00:22.22 | Krolmor2 | pallies* not aplly |
| 00:22.25 | pcj | ofc |
| 00:22.33 | pcj | depends on the situation really |
| 00:22.38 | pcj | paladins can tank anything warriors can |
| 00:22.41 | Krolmor2 | because I see them being mostly ditched for warriors when both compete for the position |
| 00:22.44 | pcj | some instances it's just easier and some not |
| 00:22.59 | pcj | ehh maybe because there's the old pre-tbc stereotype that warrior = tank |
| 00:23.10 | pcj | now druids have a harder time of it in the raid scene b/c they're crushable |
| 00:23.10 | Krolmor2 | Ah i get it |
| 00:23.19 | pcj | but with like sunwell and zul'aman that's not a concern |
| 00:23.37 | Krolmor2 | yeah, I'ma have to read up on that heh all the defense rating and wahtnot got me confused |
| 00:23.57 | Krolmor2 | (I'm not retarded, I just can't type to save my life) |
| 00:23.57 | pcj | well as a warrior or paladin you need 490 defense to be uncrittable |
| 00:24.03 | pcj | which is completely unrelated to being uncrushable |
| 00:24.29 | pcj | boss mobs have a 5% chance to crit you, so to eliminate that you need 490 defense |
| 00:24.39 | Krolmor2 | I see |
| 00:24.41 | pcj | you need 415 defense as a properly-specced bear druid to be uncrittable |
| 00:24.51 | pcj | now uncrushable means your dodge, parry, block, and chance to be missed add up to 102.5% |
| 00:24.59 | pcj | to push crushing blows off the table |
| 00:25.10 | pcj | since druids can't block or parry they just have to take crushing blows |
| 00:25.53 | Krolmor2 | crushing blows deal what % of base damage? |
| 00:26.00 | pcj | 150% |
| 00:26.22 | pcj | with a boss like Prince in kara, his normal hits are like 3k and crushing can get up to 7k |
| 00:26.33 | pcj | a few of those = dead tank |
| 00:26.43 | Krolmor2 | damn. |
| 00:26.47 | Krolmor2 | crits are 200% correct? |
| 00:26.52 | pcj | yeah |
| 00:27.34 | DuTempete | pcj, they're making a change to dodge, I heard... do you know what it is? |
| 00:27.43 | Krolmor2 | defense rating = defense skill then |
| 00:27.46 | pcj | dutempete, enemies in the sunwell get a passive buff |
| 00:27.55 | pcj | b/c blizzard fucked up tank itemization |
| 00:27.58 | pcj | it's called sunwell radiance |
| 00:28.00 | DuTempete | ah lol |
| 00:28.06 | pcj | look it up on wowhead, there's a nice discussion |
| 00:32.40 | Krolmor2 | hmm, are pallys able to hold their aggro as well as warriors though? |
| 00:33.40 | pcj | they do it differently |
| 00:33.56 | Krolmor2 | ? |
| 00:33.57 | pcj | i for one prefer no cc so i can control everything |
| 00:34.24 | pcj | b/c the more mobs hitting me the better my defensive skills go (up to a certain point ofc) |
| 00:34.48 | pcj | in the end it boils down to pallies are better aoe tanks |
| 00:36.17 | Krolmor2 | but on a single target, other than righteous fury and (i imagine) the spamming of crusader strike and your judgement of choice, not much else to do, right? |
| 00:37.28 | pcj | uh you don't have crusader strike as prot lol |
| 00:37.45 | pcj | but you should keep judgement of wisdom on the mob |
| 00:37.58 | pcj | keep up seal of righteousness or vengeance |
| 00:38.14 | pcj | and consecrate if possible |
| 00:38.36 | Krolmor2 | eh true, no cs oops :x |
| 00:39.11 | Krolmor2 | doesn't it get boring with just auto attack and seals to level, though? |
| 00:41.52 | pcj | no, aoe tanking ftw |
| 00:42.04 | pcj | oh i forgot you should also keep holy shield up |
| 00:44.55 | Kirkburn | Whoops, I was still using a test server for skin images >_< |
| 00:45.06 | Krolmor2 | hmmm |
| 00:45.10 | Krolmor2 | dang it. |
| 00:45.10 | pcj | oh god gg kirkburn |
| 00:45.15 | Krolmor2 | it's a hard choice to make |
| 00:45.33 | Krolmor2 | I'm in a 4-man tightly knit group |
| 00:45.37 | Kirkburn | pcj, well, they worked :P |
| 00:45.56 | Krolmor2 | choosing a plate class to do some of the dirty work >.> I guess I have no other choice but to pally it |
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| 01:05.21 | DuTempete | Personally, I much prefer a pally tank |
| 01:05.29 | DuTempete | as I play a warlock |
| 01:05.39 | DuTempete | they're much more suited to my playstyle |
| 01:05.51 | DuTempete | and a pally/lock duo is freaking awesome, solo |
| 01:06.31 | DuTempete | My best friend and I kill non-elite 68-70 mobs at a time |
| 01:06.54 | DuTempete | and we prefer to AoE our way throuhg instances as well. |
| 01:07.05 | DuTempete | We kick ass in heroic Shattered Halls. |
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| 01:08.01 | DuTempete | pcj, have you dun Sunwell, yet? |
| 01:08.09 | pcj | no lol |
| 01:08.14 | pcj | my guild is more casual |
| 01:08.21 | DuTempete | lol so? |
| 01:08.38 | pcj | uh sunwell is post-bt |
| 01:08.45 | DuTempete | I'm aware of that :P |
| 01:09.26 | DuTempete | well, anyway, my friend is telling me that Blizz has said they are going to phase out crushing blow |
| 01:09.36 | DuTempete | that, I think, is what I was talking about earlier |
| 01:09.52 | DuTempete | means Druids can tank again and pallies and warriors don't need as much defense |
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| 01:10.51 | pcj | yeah but you still need gear :P |
| 01:11.12 | DuTempete | umm... yeah |
| 01:11.24 | DuTempete | one always needs gear :P |
| 01:12.52 | Krolmor2 | I don't understand why the irc window likes to close at random while im not looking >.< |
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| 01:27.44 | Hojimachong | brings a marching band through this quiet, quiet channel |
| 01:28.04 | Kirkburn | Hey Hojimachong |
| 01:28.10 | Hojimachong | hi Kirkburn |
| 01:28.52 | Hojimachong | hows it going? |
| 01:30.42 | Kirkburn | Good thanks |
| 01:30.50 | Kirkburn | Preparing for WoWWiki's move to the new skin |
| 01:32.23 | Hojimachong | The Wikia skin? |
| 01:32.28 | Kirkburn | Yup |
| 01:32.32 | Hojimachong | I've seen it on a few random pages here and there |
| 01:32.40 | Hojimachong | it seems more functional... like an addon |
| 01:32.43 | Kirkburn | I'm thinking T-7 ish atm |
| 01:32.53 | Hojimachong | *gasp* |
| 01:32.54 | Kirkburn | It's cool :) |
| 01:33.16 | Hojimachong | can't wait to see how it goes down |
| 01:33.58 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 01:34.45 | Hojimachong | Will there be a way in your monobook.css page to keep the old layout? |
| 01:35.13 | Kirkburn | Oh sure, you can choose a skin from your prefs |
| 01:35.18 | Hojimachong | Wonderful |
| 01:35.35 | Hojimachong | I love the new skin, but I'm thinking it might be a bit bright for late-night browsing |
| 01:40.42 | Kirkburn | Heh, we have a WoWWiki theme, don't worry |
| 01:41.13 | Kirkburn | It's actually a nicer version of the old skin too, been able to tweak a whole load more things |
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| 01:46.41 | Hojimachong | wonderful |
| 01:47.14 | Hojimachong | What do you think of the WoW movie - as in, do you think they can accurately capture the "feel" of Warcraft? |
| 01:47.55 | Kirkburn | Difficult to say, the cartooniness of Warcraft is probably the hardest bit to capture |
| 01:48.19 | Hojimachong | yeah |
| 01:48.24 | Kirkburn | (y'know, we take up such a large proportion of Wikia's bandwidth it's just not fair :P ) |
| 01:48.35 | Hojimachong | WoW addicts FTW |
| 01:48.41 | kd3 | lmao, seriously? |
| 01:48.52 | Hojimachong | We've got to be one of the top Wikis on Wikia |
| 01:48.55 | Hojimachong | if not *the* top |
| 01:49.01 | Kaso | Kirkburn serves em right for buying us |
| 01:49.30 | Kirkburn | I think we're about a 1/4 |
| 01:50.04 | Kirkburn | It was a good purchase :) |
| 01:50.04 | kd3 | tangentially: oh wow... we just broke the 55,500 barrier... all hail [[API_UnitGUID]] |
| 01:50.11 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 01:50.20 | DuTempete | hehe |
| 01:50.41 | Kirkburn | Hojimachong, it's probably a throw-up between us and Uncyclopedia |
| 01:50.42 | DuTempete | We have to be passing up whichever that bigger one is |
| 01:50.46 | Kirkburn | Uncyc gets more edits, afaik |
| 01:50.46 | DuTempete | Wookiee or GW |
| 01:51.01 | Hojimachong | there's also CyberNations wiki - that's fairly large, I've heard |
| 01:51.47 | Kirkburn | Hmm, not really, compared to the big ones |
| 01:52.34 | Kirkburn | Having said that, it's probably in the top 50 Wikia |
| 01:52.57 | Kirkburn | But the curve of popularity is really skewed up to the top end |
| 01:53.23 | Kaso | is there some page on wikia listing wikis by some metric? |
| 01:54.24 | Kirkburn | http://wikistats.wikia.com/EN/index.html |
| 01:54.45 | Kirkburn | It's fairly rudimentary and unreliable though |
| 01:55.11 | Hojimachong | http://students.wikia.com/wiki/Students_Wikia cannot possibly be at the top |
| 01:55.16 | Kirkburn | I'm not sure what it is ordered by, either |
| 01:55.26 | Kirkburn | Yeah, ignore that one :P |
| 01:55.37 | Kaso | it seems to be a fairly random order |
| 01:55.40 | Kirkburn | But the rest are generally ordered by popularity of some sort |
| 01:55.48 | Kaso | oh? |
| 01:55.54 | Kaso | i guess yeh |
| 01:55.58 | Kirkburn | Looking down it, it looks fairly accurate |
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| 01:56.21 | Kaso | is that list complete, all wikia wikis on there? |
| 01:56.23 | Hojimachong | I'm frightened by the prominence of RunescapeWiki - that game is mind-numbingly horrendous |
| 01:56.27 | Kirkburn | The odd spellings of "encyclopedia" are the language variations of uncyc |
| 01:56.28 | Hojimachong | IMHO |
| 01:56.38 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 01:56.47 | Kirkburn | Kaso, don't think so |
| 01:57.00 | Kirkburn | Unless there are over 6000 rows |
| 01:57.07 | Kirkburn | In which case, probably |
| 01:57.45 | Kaso | 5610 rows |
| 01:57.49 | Kaso | so almost i guess |
| 02:00.19 | Kirkburn | I want to start the new skin when we're on low load, but we're still fairly high :/ |
| 02:00.33 | Kirkburn | Damn USicans, go to sleep :) |
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| 02:02.39 | DuTempete | ok, Kirkburn... |
| 02:02.42 | DuTempete | goes to sleep. |
| 02:03.17 | Kirkburn | :( |
| 02:03.41 | Kirkburn | wants to see the graph leap when I flick the switch ... that'll be fun :P |
| 02:03.52 | Kirkburn | (just like it was "fun" on Friday .......... ) |
| 02:12.24 | Hojimachong | opens up 50 tabs of WoWWiki just for kirkburn |
| 02:12.33 | Hojimachong | hits refresh compulsively |
| 02:12.38 | Hojimachong | j/k |
| 02:13.23 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 02:14.48 | equirapt1r | I need 1 XP to ding. |
| 02:14.57 | DuTempete | Hojimachong, do it!! |
| 02:15.02 | equirapt1r | One... |
| 02:15.24 | Hojimachong | rapt1r - what level you at? |
| 02:15.39 | equiraptor | 33 |
| 02:15.58 | Hojimachong | go ding! |
| 02:16.00 | DuTempete | If you haven't done cloth turn ins yet, there's a good one |
| 02:16.16 | DuTempete | I think you'll still get xp at 33 |
| 02:16.40 | Hojimachong | So, I downloaded this addon called ClearFont |
| 02:16.45 | DuTempete | maybe not on wool, but probably on silk or whatever |
| 02:16.45 | Hojimachong | and then found out Kirkburn developed it |
| 02:16.55 | DuTempete | yeah, bitch at him about that |
| 02:17.20 | equiraptor | I'm lookin' for discovery XP, but not finding it so far... |
| 02:17.34 | Hojimachong | if you have the cojones, go up to the plaguelands |
| 02:17.39 | Hojimachong | that should be 1000xp per discovery |
| 02:17.41 | DuTempete | lol go to the badlands |
| 02:17.43 | equiraptor | I don't have the patience. |
| 02:17.47 | Hojimachong | leave gear in the bank... |
| 02:17.54 | equiraptor | I just wanna go ding. |
| 02:18.00 | DuTempete | and if you've done the badlands, go to SG |
| 02:18.27 | equiraptor | Oh, I need to talk to someone in darnassus for a quest. That should be worth at least 1 XP. |
| 02:19.03 | DuTempete | hehe, yeah, a couple more enchants, and i have to go push to 45 :P |
| 02:19.07 | DuTempete | I hate leveling :P |
| 02:19.10 | DuTempete | especially those level |
| 02:19.13 | DuTempete | *levels |
| 02:19.26 | Hojimachong | I got my alts to about 20, then gave up |
| 02:19.34 | DuTempete | lol |
| 02:19.38 | Hojimachong | figure I'll wait till my main has too much gold to spend, and mail them all a bunch |
| 02:19.42 | DuTempete | Yeah, I'm usually a one char kinda gal |
| 02:19.53 | Hojimachong | <--hit 70 five days ago |
| 02:19.55 | equiraptor | I keep forgetting my draenei is hearthed on aldor rise, not scryer. |
| 02:20.00 | Kirkburn | Hojimachong, congrats |
| 02:20.03 | DuTempete | but see I miss my priest |
| 02:20.08 | Hojimachong | Kirkburn, thank you! |
| 02:20.13 | DuTempete | and I have this pesky boyfriend that just started playing on my server with me |
| 02:20.23 | DuTempete | so of course he wants me to play with him :P |
| 02:20.41 | Hojimachong | lol |
| 02:20.49 | Hojimachong | Karazhan question |
| 02:20.54 | DuTempete | shoot |
| 02:20.56 | Hojimachong | what resists are important for the boss fights? |
| 02:20.59 | DuTempete | none |
| 02:21.03 | Hojimachong | just armor? |
| 02:21.07 | DuTempete | tank? |
| 02:21.09 | Hojimachong | yep |
| 02:21.23 | DuTempete | you want at the very least uncrittable |
| 02:21.29 | Hojimachong | resil |
| 02:21.29 | DuTempete | pref uncrushable |
| 02:21.32 | Hojimachong | gotcha |
| 02:21.35 | DuTempete | no resil |
| 02:21.39 | DuTempete | just defense |
| 02:21.43 | Hojimachong | k |
| 02:22.04 | DuTempete | and you want at least 12k hp to start |
| 02:22.10 | DuTempete | you'll need more later on |
| 02:22.11 | Hojimachong | buffed or unbuffed? |
| 02:22.16 | DuTempete | about 15-16k I think |
| 02:22.20 | DuTempete | buffed |
| 02:22.25 | Hojimachong | k, I'm good there |
| 02:22.33 | Hojimachong | armorwise, I have 55% mitigation - that good enough? |
| 02:22.40 | DuTempete | ick no |
| 02:22.47 | DuTempete | well wait |
| 02:22.52 | DuTempete | is that just armour class? |
| 02:23.02 | DuTempete | what all are you figuring in there? |
| 02:23.18 | Hojimachong | unbuffed armor |
| 02:23.25 | DuTempete | ah, well I'm not too sure about that |
| 02:23.41 | DuTempete | I think AC is not really concentrated on as much as defense |
| 02:23.42 | Hojimachong | ok |
| 02:23.52 | DuTempete | dodge, parry, etc |
| 02:24.00 | Hojimachong | hold on |
| 02:24.07 | DuTempete | The AC comes as you work on those |
| 02:24.38 | DuTempete | am I mixing something up? |
| 02:24.54 | DuTempete | <--- warlock/priest :P |
| 02:24.56 | Hojimachong | not sure, hold on |
| 02:25.06 | Hojimachong | pssht, squishies... |
| 02:25.33 | DuTempete | hehe |
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| 02:26.20 | DuTempete | ok, I think I figured it out |
| 02:26.34 | Hojimachong | yay! |
| 02:27.40 | DuTempete | ok, look at your armory profile |
| 02:28.05 | Hojimachong | it's already up |
| 02:28.10 | DuTempete | defense menu |
| 02:28.39 | Hojimachong | yep |
| 02:28.55 | DuTempete | you're trying to get the sum total of the percentages of block, parry, dodge, defense, and armor to be equal to or above the threshold |
| 02:29.04 | DuTempete | crits is like 100-something |
| 02:29.11 | DuTempete | crushing blows is like 115% |
| 02:29.17 | DuTempete | I think |
| 02:29.19 | Hojimachong | ok |
| 02:29.23 | DuTempete | you'll need to double check those numbers |
| 02:29.32 | DuTempete | what class? |
| 02:29.45 | Hojimachong | warrior |
| 02:29.54 | DuTempete | yeah, that shouldn'e be hard at all |
| 02:30.14 | Hojimachong | replace some gems, buy some armor kits, get some new rings and trinkets... should be good |
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| 02:30.33 | Hojimachong | oh, and I'm respeccing to full prot soon, that should help |
| 02:30.35 | DuTempete | Look up Lena or Risko on US Drak'thul for examples of what a partially SSC geared tank looks like |
| 02:30.57 | DuTempete | those two have probably replaced all their Kara gear by now, though |
| 02:31.06 | Hojimachong | aight |
| 02:31.14 | DuTempete | but that might give you an idea of what you'll be heading towards |
| 02:31.33 | Hojimachong | sweet |
| 02:31.36 | Hojimachong | thanks |
| 02:32.45 | Hojimachong | gah, I need to get back to homework |
| 02:32.51 | Hojimachong | thanks again Tempete |
| 02:48.46 | Kirkburn | EVE - sexy, but woah so many buttons |
| 02:49.00 | DuTempete | meanie fiddler |
| 02:49.12 | Kirkburn | heh, we wouldn't meet up just yet anyway :P |
| 02:49.18 | DuTempete | why not? |
| 02:49.27 | Kirkburn | Actually, I have no idea |
| 02:49.30 | DuTempete | lol |
| 02:49.31 | Kirkburn | but I think not |
| 02:49.34 | DuTempete | which race did you go with? |
| 02:49.35 | Kirkburn | Tutorial missions |
| 02:49.39 | Kirkburn | Minmatar |
| 02:49.48 | DuTempete | bloodline, ancestry? |
| 02:49.49 | Kirkburn | Engineer |
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| 03:25.56 | Kirkburn | Wow, EVE is insanely .... confusing .... to a WoW player |
| 03:28.56 | Kirkburn | If only sancus were around, he'd be able to help :( |
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| 03:56.11 | MentalPower | Kirkburn: http://bloodeagles.com/images/LearningCurve.jpg |
| 03:56.53 | MentalPower | I find that rather accurate myself |
| 04:00.06 | Kirkburn | lol |
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| 04:16.52 | Kirkburn | I like how I'm gaining levels whilst not even playing |
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| 04:19.20 | Krazyglewz | hello |
| 04:19.28 | Krazyglewz | hello every1..is any1 there? |
| 04:19.55 | Krazyglewz | ???? |
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| 04:21.06 | Krazyglewz | is any1 there???? |
| 04:28.10 | Krazyglewz | any1 there |
| 04:28.18 | Krazyglewz | im new to this... |
| 04:28.19 | Krazyglewz | wtf |
| 04:28.21 | Krazyglewz | lol |
| 04:28.26 | Krazyglewz | sdfasdfasdfasdf |
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| 04:30.25 | Kirkburn | oookay |
| 04:30.51 | Kirkburn | Yay, the sidebar menu has finally updated |
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| 04:53.43 | Kirkburn | Heh, this is fun - http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Sqq9zZR0fHI |
| 04:54.50 | kd3 | whee for creating a shortcut so I can use it 30 seconds later in a forum post... |
| 04:54.54 | kd3 | [[WW:SOFIXIT]] |
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| 05:15.58 | dr_dasos | is there a slash command to interact with an npc? like talk to a questgiver or open a trade window with a vendor |
| 05:21.01 | MentalPower | nop |
| 05:21.04 | MentalPower | no way |
| 05:21.16 | MentalPower | right click or nothing |
| 05:21.58 | dr_dasos | weak =( |
| 05:22.07 | dr_dasos | thanks though |
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| 05:52.51 | Kirkburn | AAAAAAAAAAAaaaaah, the EVE map, aaaaaaaaaaah |
| 05:53.56 | Kirkburn | It looks to me like this: imagine Azeroth. 70 times. Different each time. |
| 05:54.37 | kd3 | what the... |
| 05:55.06 | Kirkburn | EVE's map. Simplified. http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/ombey/Eve_Regions.pdf |
| 05:56.23 | Kirkburn | The first few pages were looking good. Then I realised the next 60 or so pages repeated it, but with new areas. |
| 05:57.36 | Kirkburn | If you search for Malukker ... that's where my character is |
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| 06:14.48 | dr_dasos | been a while since i played eve |
| 06:14.56 | dr_dasos | the community was full of cool stuff like this |
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| 06:23.12 | Kirkburn | dr_dasos, scares the hell out of me |
| 06:23.46 | dr_dasos | nerds will do that =) |
| 07:12.19 | InnocentlySassy | anyone else having problems with wowwiki right now? |
| 07:14.22 | InnocentlySassy | can't get anything to load properly... looks like it would if i were to try reading it on my cell phone |
| 07:19.25 | InnocentlySassy | *prowls* |
| 07:19.36 | Fisker- | *casts consecration* |
| 07:19.40 | InnocentlySassy | O_O |
| 07:19.50 | InnocentlySassy | wowwiki working for you? |
| 07:20.06 | Fisker- | mainpage loads up fine |
| 07:20.13 | InnocentlySassy | serious? ffs |
| 07:20.16 | InnocentlySassy | hahaha |
| 07:20.21 | InnocentlySassy | i get no pics at all |
| 07:20.51 | Fisker- | works fine here |
| 07:20.55 | InnocentlySassy | =/ |
| 07:20.57 | InnocentlySassy | life is hard |
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| 07:26.48 | InnocentlySassy | someone else in the states can't get it to load either |
| 07:26.52 | InnocentlySassy | weird |
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| 08:43.24 | Kirkburn | The skin is live! |
| 08:43.33 | *** topic/#wowwiki by Kirkburn -> Chan rules: http://tinyurl.com/36u82j - UI questions: #wowuidev | CVN channel is live at #cvn-wikia-wowwiki | IT LIVES! |
| 08:46.33 | foxlit | If it lives, you must kill it. |
| 08:47.03 | sannse | The skin is undead! |
| 08:47.18 | foxlit | Heh, question |
| 08:47.21 | foxlit | They're _all_ white |
| 08:47.32 | foxlit | Except for the one that's dark blue |
| 08:48.19 | Kirkburn | Question: why are you not reading http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Upgrade_early_2008#New_.22Monaco.22_skin |
| 08:48.57 | foxlit | Question: why would I be reading %link%? |
| 08:50.22 | Kirkburn | huh? |
| 08:50.40 | foxlit | It's really a simple inversion of your question. |
| 08:51.05 | Kirkburn | My question was an answer to your question |
| 08:51.17 | foxlit | Can't answer questions with questions, don't be silly. |
| 08:51.50 | Kirkburn | "Why is the sky blue?" "Why are you asking me?" ... seems reasonable to me. |
| 08:52.07 | foxlit | The only somewhat relevant line is "The skin has undergone extensive testing... [but we are still not sure if we got everything]" |
| 08:52.50 | Kirkburn | I'm not going to say "we're perfect" just so someone can come along and disprove it :P |
| 08:53.51 | foxlit | I assume that extensive testing had someone looking at more or less any item set page? |
| 08:54.51 | Kirkburn | Wouldn't show any different |
| 08:55.04 | Kirkburn | The new skin has the exact same set of templates as the old |
| 08:55.36 | foxlit | I'll take that as a "no". Okay. |
| 08:55.43 | Kirkburn | I assume that you were involved in that extensive testing? |
| 08:55.49 | foxlit | No :) |
| 08:55.52 | Kirkburn | :P |
| 08:55.56 | Kirkburn | Well, then ;) |
| 08:56.12 | foxlit | My preferred skin works, end of story :) |
| 09:00.47 | DuTempete | You really ought to try this one foxlit |
| 09:07.41 | foxlit | Does clicking preview count? |
| 09:09.40 | Kirkburn | No |
| 09:09.59 | Kirkburn | As is evident you still haven't read the bloody explanation |
| 09:10.14 | foxlit | Let me just state the "bloody explanation" |
| 09:10.31 | foxlit | "Widgets + fancy new navigation menu + white == new skin" |
| 09:10.44 | Kirkburn | Thanks for proving it to me :) |
| 09:10.58 | Kirkburn | It has the WoWWiki theme |
| 09:11.14 | Kirkburn | It is not white. |
| 09:12.04 | Adys | It is white kirkburn |
| 09:12.27 | Kirkburn | Okay, I'm going to repost the bolded section for you: |
| 09:12.28 | Kirkburn | To see the new WoWWiki theme skin, make sure "see custom skins" is ticked in your preferences (you should not need to select a skin, but if you have ever made changes you will probably need to select Monaco Sapphire). |
| 09:13.00 | Adys | ... kirk, a lot of our visitors dont even have an account |
| 09:13.29 | Kirkburn | And they will see the right skin |
| 09:13.39 | Adys | No |
| 09:13.41 | Kirkburn | Yes |
| 09:13.42 | Adys | Im logged out atm |
| 09:13.44 | Adys | without cookies |
| 09:13.46 | Adys | and its all white |
| 09:13.51 | Kirkburn | Yes, that's cause you've got a cookie saved |
| 09:13.57 | Adys | without cookies... |
| 09:14.07 | Adys | Im running webkit, theres no cookie saving |
| 09:14.24 | Kirkburn | Er, you really must be |
| 09:14.37 | Thrae | And now for your enjoyment comes Blizzard's newest product, "S4"! Tired of always being the scrawny wimp? Tired of always being picked last? Tired of requiring more and more skill? Tired of those nasty "challenges"? "S4" takes care of all those problems! Before: http://tinyurl.com/5u7q7l, After: http://www.wowwiki.com/images/e/e2/Blood_elf.jpg |
| 09:15.59 | foxlit | Gray for me if logged out |
| 09:16.43 | foxlit | And yeah, I didn't read the two lines of bolded text that said "check this checkbox!" |
| 09:17.42 | foxlit | The "Some wiki administrators take a lot of time to customize the look of their wikis. Check the box above to see their wikis with full customization." description is... special, though. |
| 09:18.11 | Kirkburn | It does exactly what it says on the tin foxlit |
| 09:18.22 | Kirkburn | The WoWWiki skin is a custom skin |
| 09:18.31 | Adys | why isnt it enabled by default? |
| 09:18.36 | Kirkburn | And I just told you why it's gray when logged out |
| 09:18.39 | foxlit | Perhaps to the one that made the tin, Kirkburn |
| 09:18.43 | Kirkburn | Adys, it normally is |
| 09:18.46 | Adys | hrm |
| 09:18.47 | Adys | Badge of Justice for Sale US Company runs Heroic Dungeons to get Badges of Justice for you |
| 09:18.55 | Adys | (yehforgames) |
| 09:19.04 | foxlit | The question is, why not put the gray version with a preview as a radiobox in the proper skin list? |
| 09:19.30 | Adys | sounds like those are wikia wide skins foxlit |
| 09:19.38 | Thrae | I would work for Badges of Justice, Inc. if I could end every sentence with "FOR GREAT JUSTICE!" |
| 09:19.45 | Kirkburn | Because our skin is a custom skin |
| 09:20.46 | foxlit | It's horrible usability, though |
| 09:21.12 | foxlit | It's at the end of the list, suggesting it's some horrible meta-option that changes the color of bulletpoints to some administrator's liking |
| 09:21.16 | foxlit | It has no preview |
| 09:21.21 | foxlit | It offers you to "see custom wiki skins" |
| 09:21.38 | foxlit | Not "Use customizations..." |
| 09:22.38 | foxlit | And it forces the monaco skin, even though the radio box still says something entirely different. |
| 09:22.49 | Kirkburn | Altered the wording |
| 09:23.14 | foxlit | Link a preview! |
| 09:23.19 | foxlit | :) |
| 09:23.20 | Kirkburn | You cannot |
| 09:23.39 | Kirkburn | It has to serve every wiki remember, which precludes making the text very specific |
| 09:24.01 | Kirkburn | Please remember that the skin options screen is not custom made for us |
| 09:24.07 | foxlit | " box to see the custom" vs " box to use the custom" |
| 09:24.22 | Kirkburn | Both are valid |
| 09:24.52 | foxlit | see suggests you'll show me a list of some sort |
| 09:25.00 | foxlit | use suggests you'll change my preference |
| 09:25.31 | Kirkburn | Depends on the user |
| 09:25.35 | Kirkburn | Changing it to use anyway |
| 09:27.55 | Kirkburn | The reason why you'll see sapphire (or another white skin) when logged out is because you have it selected in your preferences |
| 09:28.03 | Addybot | Highlighted Items: Slashdot - China Allows Access to English Wikipedia - Read more: http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/04/06/1643223&from=rss |
| 09:28.23 | Kirkburn | The custom skin override only applies when you're logged in, thus you get your "saved" skin when logged out |
| 09:28.39 | Kirkburn | Users without accounts, or who have never set this stuff, will not get that |
| 09:29.18 | Kirkburn | It's not perfect, but a big point of this whole thing is that you have the /choice/ |
| 09:29.40 | Kirkburn | You don't have to use the WoWWiki monaco theme, you can choose one of the other 5 |
| 09:29.43 | Kirkburn | Or Quartz |
| 09:30.05 | Kirkburn | Or the old skin (which, I should mention, is ridiculously out of date) |
| 09:31.05 | Addybot | Highlighted Items: TechCrunch - Major Google Announcement Monday Evening: Is It BigTable? Read more: http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/06/major-google-announcement-monday-evening-is-it-bigtable/ |
| 09:32.56 | Addybot | Highlighted Items: TechCrunch - Yahoo Leak To Reuters: Tomorrow They're Going To Write A Very Stern Letter To Microsoft - Read more: http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/06/yahoo-leaks-that-tomorrow-theyre-going-to-write-a-very-stern-letter-to-microsoft/ |
| 09:36.23 | Kirkburn | oooh, sternly worded, eh? :P |
| 09:36.30 | Addybot | :D |
| 09:36.34 | Addybot | <3 |
| 09:36.48 | Kirkburn | In other news, Yahoo's search market share has collapsed |
| 09:37.13 | Kirkburn | So ... er ... yeah |
| 09:37.14 | Adys | People go to live search a bit more nowadays |
| 09:37.40 | Adys | though, google is having a pure dream right now |
| 09:37.52 | Adys | 1. Do nothing |
| 09:38.00 | Adys | 2. Wait for your rivals to fight eachother to blood |
| 09:38.04 | Adys | 3. ???? |
| 09:38.06 | Adys | 4. Profit! |
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| 09:42.09 | amro | Adys: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82wnezAMKu0 |
| 09:43.12 | Adys | Old! |
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| 09:44.12 | amro | yeah, but I only just found this stuff |
| 09:44.17 | amro | wish I found it earlier |
| 09:45.30 | Adys | hehe |
| 09:45.55 | Kirkburn | I vaguely understand it |
| 09:46.56 | Kirkburn | I mean, I get the whole premise, but they speak so oddly, it's hard to work out exactly what the search terms are |
| 09:47.09 | Adys | francois perusse is canadian |
| 09:47.16 | Adys | so no wonder =P |
| 09:47.55 | amro | perusse is like the only good thing to come out of quebec =P |
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| 09:53.06 | Adys | lol |
| 09:53.09 | Adys | aye |
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| 09:53.27 | |Pixel| | peruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuusse |
| 09:53.38 | winkiller | look what I found: Version 1.2.6, 2004-05-24 (MediaWiki) |
| 09:53.52 | Kirkburn | winkiller, ? |
| 09:54.11 | winkiller | nothing special, just going through an old server :) |
| 09:54.27 | winkiller | MediaWiki was even weirder back then |
| 09:54.59 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 09:57.01 | *** topic/#wowwiki by Adys -> Chan rules: http://tinyurl.com/36u82j - UI questions: #wowuidev | CVN channel is live at #cvn-wikia-wowwiki | IT LIVES! | Fesses Fesses Festival...! |
| 09:57.59 | Adys | fesses Kalroth |
| 09:58.18 | Kalroth | fu |
| 09:58.32 | Adys | It's what I was trying to do! |
| 10:01.56 | Fisker- | one sturdy camera Kalroth |
| 10:02.10 | Fisker- | and because of that the movie is bad! |
| 10:06.18 | Adys | So |
| 10:06.37 | Adys | Im thinking of buying an x300 thinkpad |
| 10:07.02 | Adys | Anyone to give me reasons not to and buy something more decent instead which I wouldnt know about? |
| 10:08.16 | Adys | I need a SSD > 20GiB, dual core, 2gb ram, 1440x screen ideally and ideally again no OS preinstalled |
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| 10:16.00 | ben___ | Why is wowwiki suddenly full of ads and annoying artwork |
| 10:23.51 | Kirkburn | Is that a silly question? |
| 10:24.15 | Kirkburn | Yes, it is a silly question :P |
| 10:26.04 | ben___ | are you serious |
| 10:28.18 | Kirkburn | No? Yes? Either way - http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Upgrade_early_2008 |
| 10:29.13 | ben___ | Upgrade, right <:) |
| 10:32.53 | Kalroth | Kirkburn: "You can find out more on WoWWiki:MediaWiki 1.12 changes, or my visiting MediaWiki.org" |
| 10:33.22 | Kirkburn | Me? Spelling error? :O |
| 10:33.24 | Kirkburn | No such thing |
| 10:33.30 | Kalroth | unpossible! |
| 10:36.30 | winkiller | Kirky no fail English! |
| 10:37.12 | winkiller | I recently saw <TUSKARR STOLE MY BUCKET> |
| 10:37.24 | Adys | lol |
| 10:50.18 | Fisker- | my eyes Kirkburn |
| 10:50.20 | Fisker- | MY EYES |
| 10:50.44 | Fisker- | (i.e. it looks pretty good, atleast in comparison to the shots we saw a long time ago) |
| 10:54.00 | winkiller | has the "user database merge" already happened? |
| 10:58.20 | Fisker- | btw Kirkburn |
| 10:58.32 | Fisker- | is the recently changed by widget not supposed to work? :P |
| 10:58.51 | Kirkburn | Works fine here |
| 10:58.58 | Kirkburn | User db merge has not happened no |
| 10:59.07 | Kirkburn | Hence the timeline on http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Upgrade_early_2008 |
| 10:59.40 | winkiller | oh there |
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| 11:24.56 | Adys | Note to self |
| 11:24.56 | Adys | turn on the speakers when you're troubleshooting audio problems |
| 11:26.52 | winkiller | lol |
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| 12:34.43 | pcj | kirkburn why is the custom skin a checkbox instead of a radio button if it overrides the other options |
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| 13:44.34 | pcj | http://www.wowwiki.com/Earth_%28Planet%29 |
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| 13:45.54 | Gourra | hullo |
| 13:45.58 | Vesitin | hello |
| 13:46.09 | Vesitin | anybody know if the USD$20 WoW comes with 1 month sub now? |
| 13:46.20 | Adys | it always has |
| 13:46.25 | Vesitin | k |
| 13:46.31 | Vesitin | i didn't know if they changed it when the price dropped or not |
| 13:46.37 | Adys | nop |
| 13:46.49 | Vesitin | thinking about starting another account so i can dual-box powerlevel a druid up to ~60 |
| 13:47.00 | Vesitin | then transfer it to my mains account the finish it off |
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| 14:35.36 | Adys | This is gonna get epic |
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| 14:36.27 | Adys | ^ |
| 14:39.39 | Dotted | epic lawl |
| 14:40.54 | fric | :> |
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| 15:27.28 | pcj | kirkburn, you there? |
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| 15:33.33 | winkiller | Kirkburn never sleeps, he's just waiting |
| 15:35.21 | pcj | he's probably just afk then |
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| 17:10.40 | pcj | damn it charlton heston died |
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| 17:19.09 | pcj | nice http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/0407081google1.html |
| 17:20.00 | Adys | old by now |
| 17:20.05 | Gourra | why are "x.freeforums.org" blacklisted? |
| 17:20.16 | Adys | Read it on a good 15 blogs by now |
| 17:20.27 | Adys | spam gourra |
| 17:21.04 | Gourra | um kay, just that alot of guild forums have subdomains (?) there, which prevents editing in some cases |
| 17:24.06 | pcj | nubs |
| 17:28.00 | winkiller | lol |
| 17:28.28 | Dagmar | I still think they should let Report Spam double as "flag for PvP-FFA" for trial accounts. |
| 17:29.05 | winkiller | lol |
| 17:29.48 | Dagmar | Or at least allow level 70's to flag 'em. |
| 17:30.13 | Dagmar | Most 70's are _probably_ too busy doing other things to go 'round griefing level 1 noobs unnecessarily |
| 17:30.29 | Dagmar | ...and a little dishonor point scoring would probably chill it a bit. |
| 17:30.35 | Adys | Anyone running *buntu w/ ff3b5 to edit ww? |
| 17:31.20 | Adys | trying to track down a bug atm :/ |
| 17:33.13 | winkiller | Adys: I can try to get it workin tomorrow at work |
| 17:33.18 | winkiller | usin ff2 atm |
| 17:33.34 | Adys | Nah dont bother tomorrow ill be sleeping :P |
| 17:35.33 | pcj | all day? |
| 17:37.07 | pcj | the WW RC API sucks |
| 17:37.18 | pcj | wtb 1.13 update |
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| 17:58.25 | Adys | lets start coding mw 2.0 and get over with it |
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| 18:12.11 | winkiller | I saw 1.2 code today. still shocked in awe :P |
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| 19:28.09 | montagg | Hey guys. Just tried out the new Monaco skin. Kinda cool, but the ads... ::Blech.:: |
| 19:28.20 | pcj | yeah |
| 19:31.03 | montagg | Might just be my old-ness, but I prefer the doctored monobook. |
| 19:31.16 | winkiller | whee, hello montagg |
| 19:31.27 | montagg | Hello hello winkiller |
| 19:31.44 | winkiller | hehe yeah, monobook all the way |
| 19:31.56 | winkiller | but it's kind of nice. or can be - if you aren't used :P |
| 19:35.11 | montagg | Is it Arthas' or Arthas's? |
| 19:35.34 | Adys | Arthas` |
| 19:35.36 | Adys | '* |
| 19:36.24 | pcj | is arthas's weapon found in outlands |
| 19:37.02 | Adys | stfu n00b |
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| 19:45.13 | Adys | ~unicode t |
| 19:45.25 | montagg | I was so sad when I saw an interview with Jeff Kaplan in the NY Times, and he referred to it as Outlands. |
| 19:45.48 | montagg | I was like, "No! You're the lead designer! OutLAND!" |
| 19:47.08 | Ose | or perhaps the interwiever wrote it like that? |
| 19:47.17 | Ose | or was it video? |
| 19:48.02 | montagg | It was a transcript, so it could've been an interviewer error. |
| 19:48.18 | Ose | hopefully |
| 19:48.19 | montagg | Although I thought I heard him say Outlands in his Blizzcast interview, too. I don't remember. |
| 19:48.26 | Ose | dang |
| 19:49.13 | Kaso | imo its now canon its outlands, lets get to changing all references to it |
| 19:49.15 | Kaso | chop chop |
| 19:49.32 | Ose | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! |
| 19:49.51 | Ose | Ragestorm will commit Hara Kiri |
| 19:51.11 | Ose | kirkburn you there? |
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| 20:00.32 | pcj | kirkburn is a slacker |
| 20:05.51 | winkiller | woohoo - we are 3/4 5/6 now |
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| 20:31.01 | pcj | hi dutempete :) |
| 20:33.43 | DuTempete | hi pcj :) |
| 20:33.47 | DuTempete | Kirkburn still not awake? |
| 20:33.51 | pcj | i guess not! |
| 20:33.55 | Adys | I can wake him up |
| 20:33.57 | pcj | been pinging him all day |
| 20:33.59 | pcj | lazy bum |
| 20:34.07 | Adys | KIIIIIIIIIRKKKKKKKBBUUUUUURRRNNNNNNNNNN |
| 20:34.59 | pcj | didn't work, try cold water |
| 20:37.03 | Ose | gets a bucket and fills it |
| 20:45.00 | DuTempete | well, we went to bed reeeally late last night |
| 20:45.07 | DuTempete | I'm not even sure he went to bed right after I did. |
| 20:45.16 | DuTempete | He had to stay up until 9am so he could do the skin switchover. |
| 20:46.09 | DuTempete | But he didn't want me to wake him up, so I'm just going to let him be :P |
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| 21:33.18 | kd3 | sweet. {{lowercase}} works |
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| 22:07.13 | Krolmor | anybody here play on executus or black dragonflight? |
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| 22:07.39 | Adys | infobot: do you play on executus or black dragonflight? |
| 22:07.40 | infobot | yes, I play on executus or black dragonflight. |
| 22:07.46 | Adys | See, theres someone |
| 22:07.57 | Krolmor | ROFL |
| 22:08.07 | Krolmor | *dies a little inside* |
| 22:08.09 | Sky2042 | sad. |
| 22:08.43 | Krolmor | Any recommendation on a pvp server from the http://www.wowwiki.com/Battlegroup_US_Stormstrike ? |
| 22:08.56 | Adys | The third one on the list |
| 22:09.24 | Krolmor | i'm logged in the game, wowjutsu and warcraftrealms to find one... medium pop ones look dead on warcraftrealms |
| 22:11.28 | Krolmor | -.- |
| 22:13.38 | pcj | anyone know a good threat meter? omen 2 sucks |
| 22:14.32 | Krolmor | how so? |
| 22:14.44 | Corgan | You suck >:( |
| 22:14.53 | Krolmor | I've been using it without a problem, but I'm probably a shitty player |
| 22:15.03 | foxlit | tsk, how lazy |
| 22:15.29 | pcj | it doesn't show anyone else |
| 22:15.43 | Krolmor | ok, should I go to a full pop, medium or low pop server? |
| 22:15.49 | foxlit | Lady Liadrin just vanishes halfway around shattrah |
| 22:15.56 | pcj | under the bridge |
| 22:16.01 | pcj | where would you have her go? |
| 22:16.17 | foxlit | It'd be awesome if she just went around in circles to and from A'dal |
| 22:16.27 | pcj | she should go through the silvermoon portal imo |
| 22:16.32 | foxlit | Or, heck, I don't know, port back home |
| 22:17.11 | Gourra | night |
| 22:17.48 | foxlit | people vanishing in thin air is uncool, though |
| 22:18.09 | foxlit | And http://www.wowwiki.com/Lady_Liadrin probably needs a sunwell plateau ending section, but that's not live for a while |
| 22:22.26 | foxlit | http://www.vimeo.com/870974/ |
| 22:23.34 | Sky2042 | sunwell plateau ending section? |
| 22:23.40 | Sky2042 | spoilerz?! |
| 22:23.42 | Krolmor | Ahm. Please could someone tell my idiot soul if I should choose high population or medium ? |
| 22:23.59 | Sky2042 | medium - high. |
| 22:24.00 | Sky2042 | :P |
| 22:24.08 | Krolmor | oh man you're killing me |
| 22:25.36 | Krolmor | eh for someone starting from scratch, a fully developed server such as malganis = crap? |
| 22:26.04 | foxlit | It doesn't really matter |
| 22:26.15 | foxlit | You may lose on on 5-mans leading up to 70 |
| 22:26.35 | foxlit | No big loss, that |
| 22:27.53 | Krolmor | ah got it. I was thinking about economy and whatnot though. If anything, I'll probably make more money in the beginning |
| 22:30.46 | foxlit | It's somewhat interesting, but WoW economy is generally unimportant to people levelling |
| 22:31.17 | foxlit | Gold drops provide a sufficient source of income, so you don't really _have_ to interact with other people to level |
| 22:32.04 | foxlit | [not that there aren't advantages - and I've never had a single char reach 40 with enough gold to buy a mount, so I may be the wrong person to talk about not needing more gold while leveling] |
| 22:33.34 | Krolmor | I'll probably take up mining for the money till 40 |
| 22:34.03 | Krolmor | But I'm really concerned about not having anywhere to go as a fresh 70, since I'll be crappy gear-wise |
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| 22:35.09 | foxlit | alts happen, people do run normals periodically |
| 22:35.19 | Sky2042 | cool, skin is live. |
| 22:35.26 | foxlit | plus high pop servers are more likely to have guilds running kara somewhat casually |
| 22:37.00 | Krolmor | hmm |
| 22:37.11 | Krolmor | malganis it is then.. :) |
| 22:37.14 | Krolmor | ty ! |
| 22:44.41 | foxlit | while(!asleep()) sheep++; |
| 22:45.25 | Sky2042 | i'm not sure you want malganis. rumor is, gryphon played there at some point... |
| 22:46.18 | Gryphen | :p |
| 22:47.37 | Sky2042 | ;p |
| 22:53.26 | Krolmor | o.o oh noes |
| 22:53.58 | Krolmor | eh, looks like malganis has a new dwarf |
| 22:56.51 | Sky2042 | gah |
| 22:56.54 | Sky2042 | this is frustrating |
| 22:57.06 | Krolmor | ? |
| 22:57.23 | Krolmor | i know, i rode the short bus to shool too. don't feel too bad. |
| 22:57.23 | Sky2042 | evil size of the h2s on the wiki :/ |
| 22:57.27 | Sky2042 | ... |
| 22:57.29 | Krolmor | o... that |
| 22:57.39 | Sky2042 | i actually did that for a year or two as a kindergartener :P |
| 22:58.34 | Krolmor | lmao xD |
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| 23:01.06 | Krolmor | why aren't there wow picture galleries of classes and races combo? |
| 23:01.21 | Krolmor | while that sentence did not make sense, you know what I mean. |
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| 23:02.26 | Sky2042 | there are, they just aren't placed on the class pages :P |
| 23:03.09 | Krolmor | wanted to see what a dwarf looks like in tier 6 paladin armor heh :) |
| 23:03.26 | Sky2042 | what's the name of t6 pal? (don't play) |
| 23:03.27 | Adys | [01:02:06] <Krolmor> -why aren't there wow picture galleries of classes and races combo? |
| 23:03.29 | Adys | ..wut? |
| 23:03.39 | Adys | justicespewer |
| 23:03.46 | Sky2042 | lol |
| 23:04.05 | Adys | well that was my best shot |
| 23:04.40 | Krolmor | I meant,... nevermind, I can't spell nor write |
| 23:05.04 | Krolmor | heck, I barely understood how to walk on 2 legs just now |
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| 23:10.54 | Sky2042 | kirby: I am apparently not a bird today. :) |
| 23:11.04 | kirby | oh? |
| 23:11.25 | Sky2042 | http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/index.php?title=SmashWiki:Requests_for_adminship&curid=13016&diff=0&oldid=111271 |
| 23:13.29 | kirby | ah |
| 23:14.58 | DuTempete | lol |
| 23:15.03 | DuTempete | you're greedy, Sky2042 |
| 23:15.07 | Sky2042 | mmm? |
| 23:15.12 | Sky2042 | not really. |
| 23:15.22 | Sky2042 | i did say to blame kirby. |
| 23:15.27 | Sky2042 | =) |
| 23:15.32 | DuTempete | power hungry!!!!!! |
| 23:15.38 | kirby | i forced him to |
| 23:15.39 | Sky2042 | if you think so. |
| 23:15.43 | Sky2042 | oh yes, i was coerced. |
| 23:15.55 | DuTempete | And does anyone ever get nominated w/o nominating themselves on those pages? |
| 23:16.07 | DuTempete | kirby, you could have nominated him :P |
| 23:16.14 | kirby | DuTempete: cant |
| 23:16.29 | DuTempete | por quoi non? |
| 23:16.36 | kirby | "Only self-nominations are allowed. If you think that another member would make a good sysop, then you can convince them to nominate themselves. You cannot, however, make a nomination on behalf of another user." |
| 23:16.38 | Sky2042 | DuTempete: the rules say he can't, but those are rules from SmashWiki. kirby, I think the rules for ssb.wikia were normal nomination. |
| 23:16.51 | Sky2042 | which, suck that they disappeared :x |
| 23:16.52 | DuTempete | ahh |
| 23:16.53 | kirby | i think it's silly |
| 23:16.55 | DuTempete | lame |
| 23:17.07 | Sky2042 | kirby: eh, legal reasons at that point, or something. |
| 23:17.07 | DuTempete | I would expect the opposite, actually |
| 23:17.11 | Adys | i self nominate myself bureaucrat and hereby declare this policy is lame and by such am deleting it |
| 23:17.16 | DuTempete | haha |
| 23:17.18 | Sky2042 | ... |
| 23:17.20 | Sky2042 | lol |
| 23:17.42 | kirby | Sky2042: what does nominating other users have _anything_ to do with legalities |
| 23:17.46 | kirby | nothing |
| 23:18.09 | Sky2042 | kirby: at that point, it was still attached to SmashWorld |
| 23:18.18 | Sky2042 | either way, don't ask me. :o |
| 23:18.38 | Adys | by the way sky |
| 23:18.46 | Adys | why the hell did you delete the bureaucrat redirects? |
| 23:19.10 | Adys | Its not like they hurt anyone, they're here to make it easier for users to find them |
| 23:19.36 | Sky2042 | "they're here to make it easier for users to find them"... if they're looking for them, than they should already know where to go. -_- |
| 23:20.14 | Adys | you do know we are autoindexed by google right |
| 23:20.16 | Sky2042 | "it's not like they hurt anyone" true, but you never know; there might be some potential for "bureaucrat" to be used as a wow term. not that i find that likely. |
| 23:20.19 | Sky2042 | aye |
| 23:20.34 | Adys | well if that happens it gets deleted |
| 23:20.53 | Adys | id agree if it was hard-to-revert changes or thousands of redirects concerned |
| 23:21.55 | Sky2042 | Adys: either way, top link on any list where you're searching for WoWWiki and bureaucrat at the same time is more likely to come up with WW:Admins |
| 23:22.01 | Krolmor | do weapons scale with model size? (do dwarves and gnomes wield the world breaker the size of a spoon?) |
| 23:22.19 | Adys | No Krolmor, they dont scale |
| 23:22.22 | Adys | they do however adapt |
| 23:22.31 | Krolmor | hmm what would that mean? |
| 23:23.02 | Adys | Their size doesnt change due to the model size, but due to the race/gender duet, each of them have a static % |
| 23:23.20 | Adys | so its not relative to the model size |
| 23:23.52 | Krolmor | ah, but they do shrink anyway |
| 23:23.58 | Adys | depends |
| 23:24.04 | Adys | gnome weapons are bigger than dwarves |
| 23:24.20 | Krolmor | well now that's just wrong. |
| 23:24.22 | Adys | its a static %, unrelated to the size |
| 23:24.26 | Krolmor | i see |
| 23:24.44 | Sky2042 | Krolmor: gnome "weapons" are bigger than dwarves isn't wrong, persay... |
| 23:24.46 | Sky2042 | :o |
| 23:24.50 | Krolmor | that's too bad. I wish my dwarf could carry weapons the size of... himself. |
| 23:24.58 | Krolmor | hahah |
| 23:25.07 | Adys | change the percentage |
| 23:25.46 | Adys | its one of the dbcs dont remember which one |
| 23:26.10 | Krolmor | ty for the response :) |
| 23:26.18 | Adys | grrrrr |
| 23:26.22 | Adys | whyyyyy |
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| 23:26.36 | Adys | mozilla firefox and ubuntu firefox dont share the same directories |
| 23:26.49 | Sky2042 | lol |
| 23:29.04 | pcj | would ajax rc be useful to anyone else |
| 23:30.35 | Sky2042 | pcj: wikia has that already, as one of their extensions. active on halo, i think. |
| 23:30.48 | pcj | sitescout |
| 23:30.48 | pcj | it sucks |
| 23:31.05 | Sky2042 | not disagreeing. i'd suggest taking their code and making it unsuck ;o |
| 23:31.29 | pcj | well basically all i'd be doing is eliminating the need to refresh by just updating the page with new data, not changing the layout |
| 23:31.41 | pcj | so just working up my own would be easier |
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| 23:32.47 | pcj | <Sky2042> not disagreeing. i'd suggest taking their code and making it unsuck ;o |
| 23:32.47 | pcj | <pcj> well basically all i'd be doing is eliminating the need to refresh by just updating the page with new data, not changing the layout |
| 23:32.48 | pcj | <pcj> so just working up my own would be easier |
| 23:33.35 | Sky2042_ | i'd take ajax rc, personally. |
| 23:33.51 | pcj | it makes sense |
| 23:33.57 | pcj | i don't know why it's not available |
| 23:33.59 | Sky2042_ | it does, on smaller wikis. |
| 23:34.04 | Sky2042_ | on big ones?... |
| 23:34.14 | pcj | mmm seems like it would reduce request load |
| 23:34.33 | pcj | especially if mediawiki's api were written more to handle it |
| 23:44.45 | Sky2042 | hey, adys, what would i need to do to shrink the h2 top-margin. I already tried margin-top... :x |
| 23:44.59 | Adys | which page |
| 23:45.10 | Sky2042 | in my css file. |
| 23:45.21 | Adys | no, which page do you want to shrink the h2 of |
| 23:45.27 | Adys | gimme an example |
| 23:45.28 | Sky2042 | all of them ;_; |
| 23:45.40 | Adys | sigh :P |
| 23:46.20 | Adys | hmm |
| 23:46.28 | Adys | default margin-top for h2 is 1em |
| 23:46.50 | Adys | so yea h2 { margin-top: 0.4em; } |
| 23:46.51 | Sky2042 | hmm |
| 23:46.54 | Sky2042 | bah |
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| 23:52.05 | Sky2042 | yeah... that didn't work adys. ;_; |
| 23:52.25 | Adys | try with !important |
| 23:53.24 | Sky2042 | nope |
