| 00:02.15 | Kirkburn | Sky2042, well, er, size |
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| 00:20.45 | Kirkburn | wonders what the next thing that shows up white will be :) |
| 00:22.36 | Sky2042 | ... |
| 00:24.39 | Kirkburn | I wonder, has anyone noticed any mediawiki message changes around the wiki? |
| 00:25.08 | Sky2042 | other than the one's that i've made? |
| 00:25.09 | Sky2042 | :o |
| 00:26.31 | Kirkburn | We now take messages from a central wiki, so some may have changed |
| 00:26.41 | Kirkburn | (local ones override it though) |
| 00:27.39 | Sky2042 | we don't have multi-upload yet |
| 00:28.02 | Kirkburn | Remove-zored |
| 00:28.40 | Sky2042 | and i have a custom one, but oh well. |
| 00:28.53 | Sky2042 | Kirkburn: maybe you can poke them about adding a url-purge? :) |
| 00:29.04 | Kirkburn | hmm? |
| 00:30.27 | Sky2042 | charitwo had the brilliant idea of adding a purge link to SmashWiki, which worked temporarily. stopped working because of caching issues, and was removed. i think it was a good idea, and think it'd be cool for wikia to make a shortcut like for url-otherstuff or "recentchanges" |
| 00:30.43 | Sky2042 | hence, url-purge, or just purge, or w/e |
| 00:36.24 | Kirkburn | Purge in the toolbox |
| 00:36.31 | Kirkburn | ? |
| 00:36.48 | Kirkburn | You can make your own toolboxes iirc |
| 00:36.51 | Kirkburn | And sidebars |
| 00:36.57 | Sky2042 | yes, yes, and yes. |
| 00:37.01 | Sky2042 | i've done the latter two |
| 00:37.30 | Kirkburn | Why can't you do purge then? |
| 00:37.31 | Sky2042 | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Sky2042/Monaco-toolbox and http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Sky2042/Monaco-sidebar |
| 00:38.17 | Sky2042 | because page caches, and suddenly it points to Joe Random article with the purge. |
| 00:38.24 | Sky2042 | instead of pointing where it should. |
| 00:38.25 | Kirkburn | You can create MediaWiki:purge-url ... stick whatever is needed in there ... then put purge-url/{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Purge in the link |
| 00:39.03 | Kirkburn | Hmm, although ... I guess purge-url/{{FULLPAGENAME}} doesn't work so well |
| 00:39.11 | Sky2042 | hehheh |
| 00:42.47 | Kirkburn | [{{fullurl:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|action=purge}} purge] ... no? |
| 00:44.11 | Sky2042 | i think that's what he used. |
| 00:48.52 | Sky2042 | also kirkburn, possibly suggest to wikia to make the little drop down on the top right customizable. i'd rather have the links to my css / js there, but atm, i have them on the left in the toolbox |
| 00:49.11 | Sky2042 | of course, i could prolly hack it with css :x |
| 00:49.21 | Kirkburn | It's come up before |
| 00:49.38 | Sky2042 | hehe |
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| 00:51.46 | Sky2042 | also, request of you: can you double check with the techies to see if the Guild and Server namespaces are counted as articles? I think they might be (which is undesirable behavior, i should think), but am not sure. |
| 00:52.03 | pcj | sky: only main namespace |
| 00:52.21 | pcj | http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Article_count |
| 00:52.26 | Sky2042 | pcj: that's the desired. -_-/ |
| 00:52.43 | Sky2042 | does not mean that's how it is atm. |
| 00:53.30 | pcj | Create a sandbox article then |
| 00:53.32 | pcj | See if it increments |
| 00:53.50 | Sky2042 | !jobqueue |
| 00:53.52 | Dotted | The www.wowwiki.com job queue length is currently 6296 |
| 00:53.53 | Sky2042 | ack |
| 00:54.13 | Sky2042 | 55,542 |
| 00:54.32 | kd3 | gack |
| 00:54.41 | pcj | hgack |
| 00:54.43 | kd3 | the default skin's back to a white version of monaco for non-logged in users |
| 00:55.17 | Sky2042 | ^ |
| 00:55.34 | pcj | why aren't you logged in |
| 00:55.41 | kd3 | I just reopened fx? |
| 00:55.56 | pcj | You log in everytime you open your browser? |
| 00:55.59 | Sky2042 | why do abreviate as fx and not ff? |
| 00:56.01 | Sky2042 | is curious. |
| 00:56.11 | pcj | because ff is final fantasy |
| 00:56.17 | pcj | and everyone who uses fx is a nerd |
| 00:56.38 | Sky2042 | ff is finalfantasy |
| 00:56.40 | Sky2042 | werd |
| 00:57.43 | Sky2042 | server isnt |
| 00:58.41 | Kirkburn | ooh, new code got rolled out today to load ads last |
| 00:59.10 | Sky2042 | yup |
| 00:59.22 | Kirkburn | You've noticed a difference? |
| 01:00.07 | pcj | Yeah, my adblock catches the ads faster |
| 01:00.11 | Striken | Sky as in Skyfire? |
| 01:00.20 | Kirkburn | kd3, it isn't, it's because you have monaco sapphire as your default, so keeps that as you log out |
| 01:00.21 | Sky2042 | omfg |
| 01:00.30 | Sky2042 | is that who i think it is? |
| 01:00.33 | Striken | Most likely |
| 01:00.41 | Sky2042 | SM |
| 01:00.42 | Striken | NE Rogue, The Black Guard |
| 01:00.45 | Sky2042 | wow. |
| 01:00.54 | Dwayne_Bot | so |
| 01:00.58 | Kirkburn | And yes, guild and server articles /are/ counted, always have been |
| 01:01.01 | Dwayne_Bot | u guys think much about the whole beta wotlk rumour? |
| 01:01.16 | Sky2042 | bows to Striken. Long live TBG! |
| 01:01.25 | kd3 | "there is no beta" |
| 01:01.29 | Striken | Hahaha, surprised you still play |
| 01:01.33 | Sky2042 | I don't |
| 01:01.36 | Sky2042 | :P |
| 01:01.45 | Striken | just do WoWWiki stuff? |
| 01:01.49 | Sky2042 | aye |
| 01:01.57 | Dwayne_Bot | wot u mean there is no beta lol\ |
| 01:02.13 | Dwayne_Bot | blizz is too lazy to hire ppl to do the testing |
| 01:02.16 | Sky2042 | to put it another way, rumors are stupid. when it's out, it's out. |
| 01:02.20 | Dwayne_Bot | ofc |
| 01:02.38 | Dwayne_Bot | (>^_^)> |
| 01:02.40 | Sky2042 | Kirkburn: just made a server page which didn't increase the increment. |
| 01:02.49 | Kirkburn | Sky2042, cached probably |
| 01:03.01 | Kirkburn | F&F alpha will almost certainly be first, and no indication of that so far |
| 01:03.13 | Sky2042 | that's what i thought. why exactly do we have guilds and servers padding our content count?... |
| 01:03.34 | Kirkburn | Cause they're content, and yes ... cause it bumps the article number |
| 01:03.45 | Sky2042 | -_- |
| 01:03.53 | Kirkburn | Well, they /are/ content |
| 01:04.17 | Sky2042 | not really :/ |
| 01:04.23 | Kirkburn | They are in no way supporting pages |
| 01:04.41 | Kirkburn | if they're not content, they'd have to be a third type of page |
| 01:04.42 | Sky2042 | i know i specifically asked when we had them implemented to turn off their article count... sigh |
| 01:04.52 | Kirkburn | You did? o_O |
| 01:05.04 | Sky2042 | yup. |
| 01:05.13 | Sky2042 | you must have missed that. |
| 01:05.18 | Kirkburn | Apparently! |
| 01:05.19 | Sky2042 | [[WoWWiki:Namespaces]] go go go |
| 01:05.48 | Sky2042 | why again did you make a namespace for three pages? |
| 01:05.50 | Sky2042 | -_- |
| 01:05.57 | Kirkburn | four |
| 01:06.04 | Sky2042 | ok, four. |
| 01:06.11 | Kirkburn | And the same reason as last time |
| 01:06.37 | Kirkburn | They aren't WoWWiki: type pages |
| 01:06.53 | Sky2042 | so WW:VP isn't a wowwiki type page either, by your standards? |
| 01:07.35 | Kirkburn | That's still a page /about/ the wiki |
| 01:07.39 | Sky2042 | and so are portals |
| 01:08.07 | Kirkburn | So why does Wikipedia and other wikis have them? |
| 01:08.38 | Kirkburn | Are you suggesting Main Page should have been moved to WoWWiki:Main Page ? |
| 01:08.56 | Sky2042 | because Wikipedia created them when there came to be more than four pages of content. |
| 01:10.14 | Sky2042 | as for Main Page, that's tradition, and we're almost to the point where we don't have to see the title anyway |
| 01:10.30 | Kirkburn | And how would you create the Warcraft portal in that system? |
| 01:10.38 | Sky2042 | WoWWiki:Warcraft portal |
| 01:10.52 | Sky2042 | I must admit, i love the tabbing =] |
| 01:11.32 | Sky2042 | if anything, Main Page should be entrance to the wiki, with a separate WoWWiki:World of Warcraft portal |
| 01:11.54 | Kirkburn | I thought about it, but it would garner too many complaints |
| 01:12.02 | Sky2042 | how so? |
| 01:12.19 | Kirkburn | I didn't want to upset the people who visit WoWWiki for WoW content |
| 01:12.27 | Sky2042 | which you wouldn't. |
| 01:12.30 | Kirkburn | That's why I've left the WoW portal as the primary one |
| 01:12.57 | Kirkburn | You would, didn't you see the complaints when the Main Page was changed on the 1st? |
| 01:13.00 | Sky2042 | you can have the Main Page remain as it is now, and change the content of the secondary portal to better reflect WoW |
| 01:13.27 | Kirkburn | that would be a huge amount of redundancy |
| 01:13.49 | Kirkburn | When changed to a WoW-only portal, the links barely changed |
| 01:13.59 | Kirkburn | In fact, tha only change was moving off the interface links |
| 01:14.12 | Sky2042 | not really. as it stands, P:WoW is the same as the main page, is it not? |
| 01:14.22 | Kirkburn | ^ last two lines |
| 01:15.01 | Kirkburn | So to have the wow portal better reflect wow ... I wouldn't do anything. So you'd have two identical pages |
| 01:15.24 | Sky2042 | you wouldn't do anything, but that does not mean nothing can be done |
| 01:15.42 | Sky2042 | and besides, the WoW portal would be freely editable; the Main page can obviously not be so. |
| 01:16.14 | Kirkburn | I'm not averse to putting a tab in front of the WoW one and making that the main page |
| 01:16.30 | Striken | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:16.30 | Kirkburn | However, I wanted to take it slowly at first - get the tabs in with a minimum of fuss |
| 01:16.41 | Sky2042 | Striken: you have a user account on the wiki? |
| 01:16.56 | Striken | I might, one sec |
| 01:17.05 | Sky2042 | lol |
| 01:17.17 | Kirkburn | The big thing that made me go for portal: was cause it's much easier to manage and separate out |
| 01:17.18 | Striken | I think I made one ages ago but I forgot the acct name |
| 01:17.28 | Sky2042 | not striken, by chance? |
| 01:17.30 | Sky2042 | :o |
| 01:17.55 | Sky2042 | Kirkburn: true, but it doesn't need separating in such a manner. that's what categories are for. |
| 01:17.56 | Kirkburn | Sky2042, http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Portal:Main ... as an example |
| 01:18.03 | Striken | I don't think so, I think it's like Anheuser or some garbage. |
| 01:18.42 | Kirkburn | Moving to MA's style is not outside the realms of possibility, but atm I just don't want to be moving the main page away from WoW |
| 01:19.01 | Sky2042 | Striken: what time zone is dagger? |
| 01:19.01 | Kirkburn | Once the new skin is settled in with easy access sidebar links, it becomes easier |
| 01:19.16 | Striken | PST, but yeah, I just tried Striken with my usual PW and it worked |
| 01:19.19 | Striken | So it's me =p |
| 01:19.36 | Kirkburn | Categories help, but don't mean much to a viewer |
| 01:19.38 | Sky2042 | Kirkburn: all I'm arguing here, is that you move the pages out of the portal space and then delete the extra namespace. i agree with portal-style; i don't agree with portal namespace |
| 01:19.53 | Sky2042 | Striken: lol, leave me a note on my talk page |
| 01:20.28 | Kirkburn | Portal immediately signifies to a user this is a contents page, I use this to go to other places |
| 01:20.49 | Sky2042 | Kirkburn: having "<name> portal" does the same, doesn't it? |
| 01:20.53 | Sky2042 | o_o |
| 01:21.27 | Sky2042 | Striken: PST, that would be awesome if i weren't going to prolly be on the East Coast for college xD |
| 01:21.27 | Kirkburn | It does, but not as clearly |
| 01:21.38 | Sky2042 | hard to argue that, is it not? |
| 01:21.41 | Sky2042 | ;0 |
| 01:21.52 | Kirkburn | I don't see big reasons against it though |
| 01:22.05 | Kirkburn | What is the disadvantage? |
| 01:22.27 | Striken | Yeah, im East Coast too. Time zone happens to work out for me to raid later..how the hell do I find your talk page |
| 01:22.46 | Sky2042 | well, it's an extra two lines in the dropdown menu, there's apparently wikia policy that no wiki gets more than 3 custom spaces, though i'm thinking that can be bent. |
| 01:22.56 | Sky2042 | Striken: http://wowwiki.com/User_talk:Sky2042 |
| 01:23.09 | Kirkburn | lol, no such policy for us |
| 01:23.15 | Sky2042 | i didn't think so. heh |
| 01:23.49 | Kirkburn | Seriously though, it's way easiet to manage, and can be expanded upon hugely |
| 01:23.59 | Kirkburn | Over time we can create portals for each game, etc |
| 01:24.22 | Kirkburn | That's what I really want to be doing with this |
| 01:24.43 | Sky2042 | i figured as much. why did you cross the bridge before you got to the river? :] |
| 01:25.32 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 01:25.36 | Kirkburn | Gotta start somewhere |
| 01:25.52 | Kirkburn | Let's say I'm testing my bridgemaking skills |
| 01:26.12 | Striken | Left a little note up there, cya man. |
| 01:26.16 | Sky2042 | adding 4 pages in the wowwiki namespace allows for people to get used to the idea of portals, as well as allowing for customization on what a portal is. if we got to the point where there were several hundred pages of portals, as there are with guilds and servers, a new namespace would have had merit. |
| 01:26.19 | Sky2042 | Striken: cya. |
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| 01:28.08 | Sky2042 | as well, there was little to no discussion in a visible place (do I sound like Fandy? ;o ) |
| 01:28.23 | Sky2042 | as i'm sure you talked this over with du, if no one else. |
| 01:29.40 | Kirkburn | Pretty sure I brought it up several times, but no-oen took much notice |
| 01:29.48 | Sky2042 | you did? |
| 01:29.50 | Sky2042 | o_o |
| 01:29.55 | Sky2042 | linkx, plx! |
| 01:30.13 | Sky2042 | i didn't see anything until i left you that note after you had said, "oh yeah, new namespace" |
| 01:30.37 | Kirkburn | Thought I did anyway |
| 01:31.34 | Kirkburn | I still don't agree that a namespace need hundreds of articles to be worth it |
| 01:31.53 | Kirkburn | Especially when it appears at the bottom of lists |
| 01:32.31 | Sky2042 | And I still don't agree with the executive-decision making that obviously went on, much less a namespace for all of four pages. ;p |
| 01:32.49 | Kirkburn | 8 really, don't forget the talk pages :) |
| 01:32.53 | Sky2042 | bah |
| 01:33.40 | Kirkburn | If you're going to use policy against me, aren't we supposed to be bold? :P |
| 01:34.01 | Kirkburn | (yes, I'm being facetious) |
| 01:34.24 | Sky2042 | (wasn't sure, but i prolly would have responded in light anyway) |
| 01:34.41 | Sky2042 | being bold on the big level is a bad thing: witness Zeal's categories drive. |
| 01:34.57 | Kirkburn | Oh, come now, this just isn't the same |
| 01:35.01 | Sky2042 | nor did i say it was. |
| 01:35.19 | Kirkburn | The pages have been there for months to get feedback |
| 01:35.25 | Sky2042 | or, at least on the level where you are no more important than the person sitting next to you. |
| 01:35.36 | Sky2042 | what pages? |
| 01:35.41 | Kirkburn | the portals |
| 01:35.50 | Sky2042 | huh? |
| 01:35.57 | Sky2042 | what do you mean, months? |
| 01:36.22 | Kirkburn | Er, just under 4 weeks >_< |
| 01:36.35 | Kirkburn | 14th March to now |
| 01:37.05 | Sky2042 | o_o |
| 01:37.10 | Sky2042 | and no-one announced them! |
| 01:37.20 | Kirkburn | grr |
| 01:37.21 | Kirkburn | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Village_pump/Archive24#Portals.21 |
| 01:37.32 | Kirkburn | And that was posted on the 15th |
| 01:37.53 | Sky2042 | well, crap |
| 01:38.03 | Kirkburn | Quite apart from me linking them on here all the time to get feedback |
| 01:38.54 | Sky2042 | wait, you got feedback on them from me immediately thereafter, in the next section. |
| 01:38.58 | Sky2042 | did you not? |
| 01:39.01 | Kirkburn | That is, 14th March until now that they were in that namespace ... I've been working on it since mid feb |
| 01:39.54 | Kirkburn | I didn't agree with your reasoning then, and I don't now |
| 01:40.04 | Sky2042 | i get that. |
| 01:40.30 | Sky2042 | my reasoning now is, however, much more helpful in its manner. |
| 01:40.51 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 01:41.11 | Kirkburn | Aanyway, if you look at site like memory-alpha it seems to work well enough for them |
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| 01:41.18 | Sky2042 | sancusssssssssssss |
| 01:41.21 | Sky2042 | weee |
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| 01:41.31 | sancus | heh, sup |
| 01:41.46 | Sky2042 | Kirkburn: again, not the point i'm making. |
| 01:41.59 | Kirkburn | It is the point I'm making though :) |
| 01:42.22 | Sky2042 | it "working well" for them could have also happened where the pages in the project namespace, as opposed to a portalspace |
| 01:42.27 | Sky2042 | could it not have? |
| 01:42.36 | Sky2042 | therefore, you cannot establish such a relationship. |
| 01:42.43 | Sky2042 | ergo, point dies. |
| 01:42.45 | Sky2042 | :] |
| 01:43.08 | Kirkburn | Weird, http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Mostpopularcategories doesn't link properly |
| 01:43.28 | Sky2042 | lol, i remember that. |
| 01:43.43 | Sky2042 | i think i actually read the patchnotes for that for wikipedia, i tihnk. |
| 01:43.43 | Kirkburn | Sky2042, not if I don't believe they're the same page type as either article or project pages |
| 01:45.48 | Kirkburn | Anyways, I'm hoping to expand on them once this is up and running |
| 01:45.59 | Sky2042 | Kirkburn: ok, then i'll pose this question to you. wikipedia has wikiprojects; why aren't those in a separate namespace? |
| 01:46.07 | Kirkburn | WC3 could certainly have its own, and I would encourage people to create their own portals |
| 01:46.18 | Kirkburn | Sky2042, but ... portals are |
| 01:46.19 | Sky2042 | wikiprojects also don't fit the definition of project namespace (ironically) |
| 01:46.39 | Kirkburn | Wikiprojects are all about the running of the wiki |
| 01:46.51 | Kirkburn | Contents pages aren't, they're the public face of the wiki |
| 01:46.58 | Sky2042 | no, they're about running of the people, which is the same as portals. |
| 01:47.10 | Kirkburn | no? |
| 01:47.17 | Kirkburn | Contents = viewers |
| 01:47.19 | Sky2042 | the pages both direct people |
| 01:47.22 | Kirkburn | Wikiprojects = editors |
| 01:47.41 | Kirkburn | Viewers and editors are quite different ... er ... beasts |
| 01:48.39 | Sky2042 | granted. but why not introduce viewers to a whole new namespace, rather than make one custom fit for their needs? make it so that they look around and see, there's more to this wiki than the average page. |
| 01:49.09 | Kirkburn | They're not going to look around a namespace? |
| 01:49.26 | Sky2042 | then why make one specially for them? |
| 01:49.42 | Sky2042 | if portals are for the viewers, why make a new namespace? |
| 01:50.10 | Kirkburn | Because they're not the same type of content as the rest of the project namespace |
| 01:50.28 | Kirkburn | They can't go in the article area, and they don't belong in the project area |
| 01:50.36 | Kirkburn | Hence the portal: creation |
| 01:50.51 | Sky2042 | why again, do they have to be? they're not yet a significant subsection of said namespace; why make a namespace for the exception? |
| 01:51.19 | Kirkburn | So it doesn't become a problem later |
| 01:51.34 | Sky2042 | doesn't become a problem later |
| 01:51.36 | Sky2042 | hacks. |
| 01:51.50 | Sky2042 | we can move articles, you know. |
| 01:52.15 | Sky2042 | we can have bots move articles, if it were to expand so much that there were simply too many. |
| 01:52.18 | Kirkburn | When you're dealing with content as public facing as this, you know that's not a good idea |
| 01:52.36 | Sky2042 | oh? |
| 01:52.36 | Kirkburn | People bookmark stuff |
| 01:52.46 | Kirkburn | They don't want bookmarks swept from under them |
| 01:52.54 | Sky2042 | they wouldn't be. |
| 01:52.57 | Sky2042 | redirects are redirects. |
| 01:53.08 | Kirkburn | You want people entering the site on a redirect? |
| 01:53.26 | Sky2042 | they can do that, or update their bookmarks; it happens often enough, i'm sure. |
| 01:53.51 | Kirkburn | The latter of which is a problem to be prevented |
| 01:54.19 | Kirkburn | Pissing off the users isn't exactly fun |
| 01:54.21 | Sky2042 | but cannot be, realistically, and one of the reasons wikipedia almost never deletes theirs. |
| 01:54.57 | Kirkburn | Yeah, we delete redirects too much on the wiki anyway |
| 01:55.40 | Kirkburn | All I'm hearing on the "bad" side is that it adds two lined to a dropdown |
| 01:55.42 | Sky2042 | i won't disagree. |
| 01:55.57 | Sky2042 | all i'm hearing on the good side is that it's easier to manage, which it isn't really. |
| 01:56.10 | Kirkburn | You're not the one managing them |
| 01:56.23 | Sky2042 | i could be. that's the funny thing about wikis. |
| 01:56.25 | Sky2042 | ;p |
| 01:56.40 | Sky2042 | that whole community aspect sure sucks, doesn't it? |
| 01:56.40 | Kirkburn | Sure you could be, but I actually have been |
| 01:56.57 | Kirkburn | Hey, I asked for feedback, ya'll mostly ignored me |
| 01:57.13 | Sky2042 | i'm not ignoring you anymore kirkburn. |
| 01:57.18 | Sky2042 | :] |
| 01:57.23 | Kirkburn | No, but it's a bit late :P |
| 01:57.27 | Sky2042 | not really. |
| 01:57.46 | Sky2042 | namespaces can be deleted, links can be edited. |
| 01:58.05 | Kirkburn | cheers ... Special pages all look to be fixed |
| 01:58.10 | Sky2042 | hmm? |
| 01:58.21 | Kirkburn | I was checking them for skin problems |
| 01:58.24 | Kirkburn | newpages ... again |
| 01:58.29 | Sky2042 | ah |
| 01:58.33 | Kirkburn | And the file list page |
| 01:59.40 | Kirkburn | Anyway, I'm off |
| 01:59.44 | Sky2042 | bah |
| 01:59.58 | Sky2042 | i hate talking to walls |
| 02:00.00 | Kirkburn | You'll have to come up with better arguments |
| 02:00.01 | Sky2042 | ;_; |
| 02:00.19 | Kirkburn | if you come up with a reeally good one, maybe the wall will answer |
| 02:00.40 | Sky2042 | So I have to get a jackhammer to make consensus happen? Oh, yeah, that makes sense. |
| 02:00.53 | Sky2042 | s/consensus/compromise/ |
| 02:01.01 | PhotoJim | If you have to use a jackhammer, it isn't consensus. It's coerced compliance. :) |
| 02:01.06 | Kirkburn | consensus is just you complaining about something tiny atm |
| 02:01.11 | Dotted | ~lart op talk |
| 02:01.11 | infobot | pours hot grits down the front of op talk's pants |
| 02:01.18 | Kirkburn | Anyway, you made me realise recatting the portals is a good idea |
| 02:01.37 | Sky2042 | complaining about something tiny... |
| 02:01.43 | Sky2042 | well, thank you for your time. |
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| 02:27.19 | rjm | anyone recommend a good tooltip addon? |
| 02:27.26 | rjm | combat oriented |
| 02:27.45 | rjm | so I can mouseover a bunch of enemies quickly to find the class I want to kil |
| 02:27.47 | rjm | kill* |
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| 02:46.46 | Kirkburn | rjm, cowtip |
| 02:58.26 | rjm | oh I thought that addon was a joke |
| 02:59.11 | Kirkburn | rlm, lol |
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| 06:04.37 | kirby | !Adys |
| 06:05.07 | kirby | or any admin for that matter |
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| 08:58.15 | Innocently_Sassy | i so do not know how to use this program... so this will be an interesting experience |
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| 09:04.54 | Innocent_Mac | gah |
| 09:06.28 | Adys | Oo |
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| 09:15.17 | pmcg | hello |
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| 09:16.07 | pmcg | hello |
| 09:16.21 | Innocent_Mac | trying to find a stable irc client for mac |
| 09:16.24 | Innocent_Mac | not doing so well atm |
| 09:16.31 | pmcg | what are you using? Colloquy is a good one |
| 09:16.42 | Innocent_Mac | yeah that's what i'm using now |
| 09:16.48 | pmcg | not stable? |
| 09:17.05 | Innocent_Mac | well i've been researching the top picks. ended up with ircle first |
| 09:17.08 | pmcg | hmm there was some old one but i can't remember its name |
| 09:17.11 | Innocent_Mac | very not stable |
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| 09:17.32 | Innocent_Mac | so yeah, looks like colloquy for now. =D looks good so far |
| 09:17.40 | pmcg | i've fond colloquy to be good.... just updated it |
| 09:17.53 | Innocent_Mac | yeah i noticed it had a fairly recent update. so that makes me happy |
| 09:18.46 | pmcg | i think all the other people are absent |
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| 09:19.17 | Innocent_Mac | hmmmm |
| 09:19.25 | Innocent_Mac | apparently i don't know how to switch between windows. =/ |
| 09:19.26 | pmcg | maybe |
| 09:19.29 | pmcg | lol |
| 09:19.31 | Innocent_Mac | *goes ahunting* |
| 09:19.57 | Adys | Im here |
| 09:20.01 | Adys | just packing up |
| 09:20.11 | pmcg | are there other good mac or wow servers/channels/ |
| 09:20.24 | Adys | quakenet #mac #wow |
| 09:20.31 | Adys | freenode isnt the right place. |
| 09:20.33 | Innocent_Mac | that was quick. =) |
| 09:20.53 | pmcg | quakenet? |
| 09:21.23 | pmcg | freenode is Desolace? |
| 09:21.42 | Innocent_Mac | okay so i give in, pmcg... if i join more than 1 chan. where's the "toggle between chans" or "bring them all up" option/s? |
| 09:22.00 | pmcg | lol welll... |
| 09:22.03 | Innocent_Mac | cuz i tried joining our cvn one... and this disappeared. =/ |
| 09:22.20 | pmcg | frankly this is the first time i've used Colloquy in about a year so i wonder if i can figure that otu |
| 09:22.51 | pmcg | but already i have somehow joined the #mac channel on this server |
| 09:23.01 | Innocent_Mac | hehe |
| 09:23.02 | pmcg | it's all in a list on the left |
| 09:23.16 | pmcg | i clicked on the link that was made when Adys spoke |
| 09:23.17 | Innocent_Mac | oooh |
| 09:23.20 | Innocent_Mac | gotcha |
| 09:23.23 | Innocent_Mac | lemme try |
| 09:23.34 | pmcg | i think all the channels should show up on the left |
| 09:23.37 | pmcg | like iTunes playlists |
| 09:23.43 | Innocent_Mac | woot |
| 09:24.01 | Innocent_Mac | okay, i had the members list displayed, so it pushed it farther down than i could see] |
| 09:24.19 | pmcg | yeah or click the little triangle next to the channel name to collapse that |
| 09:24.39 | Innocent_Mac | yeah, collapsed it so that i could test the dual rooms thingie |
| 09:24.40 | Innocent_Mac | woot |
| 09:25.21 | pmcg | man is irc stil around! When i was in college, you could get pirated MP3s with IRC instead of Napster. but man i'm old |
| 09:25.24 | Innocent_Mac | so no way to see them all at once? |
| 09:25.37 | pmcg | i dunno on my left side i see two channels, this one and another one |
| 09:25.37 | Innocent_Mac | i used to use irc for tv shows |
| 09:26.04 | Innocent_Mac | when people used to display their servers in the rooms, huh? =) |
| 09:26.29 | pmcg | oh man it was all bots. you had to ask a bot what it had and it'd tell you |
| 09:26.33 | pmcg | then you'd tell it what you wanted |
| 09:26.35 | Innocent_Mac | yups |
| 09:26.36 | pmcg | somehow it worked |
| 09:26.44 | Innocent_Mac | those were the days. ;) |
| 09:27.07 | pmcg | i'd never have figured it out without my roommate |
| 09:27.11 | pmcg | lol man yeah |
| 09:28.53 | pmcg | i wonder if it would be easier if IRC stayed command-line |
| 09:29.42 | Innocent_Mac | heh, i just know it's weird to be back on it |
| 09:29.48 | Innocent_Mac | i haven't been in about 3 years |
| 09:29.57 | pmcg | have you found how to have a server list channels in Colloquy? |
| 09:30.11 | pmcg | i think we're both in the same boat. what a coincidence |
| 09:30.13 | Innocent_Mac | like just normal /list? |
| 09:30.25 | Innocent_Mac | wow, lots of chans |
| 09:31.23 | pmcg | yeah ideally but how |
| 09:31.50 | Innocent_Mac | eh, i just did a /list on the normal line and it popped up tons of chan names |
| 09:32.08 | Innocent_Mac | apparenlty it's a bigger server than i thought |
| 09:32.51 | pmcg | i was trying to list on arstechnica.com but get nothing |
| 09:33.12 | Innocent_Mac | freenode has about 4500 chans |
| 09:33.30 | pmcg | yeah there's more than four thousand channels! |
| 09:33.33 | Innocent_Mac | blah, i needs me sleeps. it's about that time of night |
| 09:33.34 | Innocent_Mac | =D |
| 09:33.36 | Innocent_Mac | *wriggles* |
| 09:33.38 | pmcg | i dunno about this program |
| 09:33.40 | Innocent_Mac | thanks for your help tonight. ;) |
| 09:33.46 | pmcg | see ya |
| 09:33.46 | Adys | night Innocent_Mac |
| 09:33.48 | Innocent_Mac | yeah it takes some getting used to |
| 09:33.51 | Innocent_Mac | *wriggles at adys* |
| 09:33.52 | Innocent_Mac | night! |
| 09:34.17 | pmcg | so Adys what does this channel normally discusss? |
| 09:34.35 | Adys | Quantum physics |
| 09:34.46 | pmcg | that's good cause I'm an expert |
| 09:35.13 | Adys | Back to packing up |
| 09:35.24 | pmcg | ? |
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| 11:45.53 | Dotted | Kirkburn|sleep |
| 11:48.24 | DuTempete_ | He's asleep, Dotted, what's up? :P |
| 11:49.16 | Dotted | just some hypothetical question about what would need to be done to add another database site to the external links of quests and the likes |
| 11:50.29 | DuTempete_ | would need to be put up for a vote |
| 11:50.39 | DuTempete_ | if I recall other discussions correctly |
| 11:50.46 | Dotted | yeah, just on the VP? |
| 11:51.46 | DuTempete_ | I think the same place we had a discussion about it previously? |
| 11:51.55 | DuTempete_ | which DB? |
| 11:52.57 | Dotted | wowdb |
| 11:53.02 | DuTempete_ | oh christ |
| 11:53.05 | DuTempete_ | why? |
| 11:54.10 | Dotted | uhm because there is a monopoly of Affinity Media owned sites on wowwiki? |
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| 11:54.21 | DuTempete | so? |
| 11:54.58 | DuTempete | you can always add in wowdb to the bottom of the page |
| 11:55.06 | DuTempete | you of all people are capable of writing the bot |
| 11:55.31 | Dotted | i am? i've never coded a wiki bot before ::( |
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| 11:56.10 | Dotted | so there doesnt really need to be a vote, if i just add them manually? |
| 11:56.21 | DuTempete | yeah |
| 11:56.29 | DuTempete | that's always been the case |
| 11:56.38 | DuTempete | just add them to the pages manually |
| 11:56.40 | Dotted | alrighty then |
| 12:00.26 | Adys | dbs will be removed entirely eventually so |
| 12:00.38 | DuTempete | why, Adys? |
| 12:00.47 | Adys | because we wont need them anymore |
| 12:01.30 | DuTempete | why not? |
| 12:01.50 | Adys | uhm because openwdb will serve all needs? :) and this has been talked on before |
| 12:01.54 | Adys | and i need to packup, brb |
| 12:02.36 | DuTempete | not talked about with me, so you'll excuse my curiousity |
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| 12:03.58 | Adys | its totally unforgivable |
| 12:04.16 | DuTempete | Who is going to maintain this database, anyway? |
| 12:04.35 | Adys | guess |
| 12:04.59 | Dotted | me |
| 12:05.18 | DuTempete | you're unpaid... what happens when you decide to stop? |
| 12:06.50 | Adys | when i stop isnt the problem, when blizz changes their security is |
| 12:07.17 | Adys | it takes me about 5 minutes per patch to update the integrity of the item, quest and npc database |
| 12:09.16 | Adys | also DuTempete ill make it possible to ask Addybot to update the database |
| 12:09.34 | DuTempete | And how does this help the wiki anymore than wowhead does, and still uphold the spirit of the wiki? |
| 12:09.58 | Adys | because you guys are in control of the data that comes on the wiki, not a third party |
| 12:09.59 | DuTempete | it sounds to me like you're tryin to completely change the nature of the wiki |
| 12:10.16 | DuTempete | what third party are you talking about? |
| 12:10.22 | Adys | the databases |
| 12:10.35 | Adys | as i said, openwdb is not for the wiki, it's a service |
| 12:10.44 | Adys | if you dont want it, you dont get it, if you want it you get it |
| 12:11.15 | Adys | im not trying to do anything, Im giving the wiki the occasion to have more, better and faster control over the item/npc/quest/model/object/zone data |
| 12:11.45 | DuTempete | well I don't really see the DBs as third parties, so much as colleagues |
| 12:12.00 | Adys | dbs are third parties like it or not :) |
| 12:12.17 | Gourra | where are the adminsssss |
| 12:12.22 | Adys | im here |
| 12:12.22 | Gourra | vandal loose |
| 12:12.26 | DuTempete | *nod* well, I'm still a bit confused about what will happen with it |
| 12:12.29 | Adys | link im lazy |
| 12:12.35 | DuTempete | lemme guess |
| 12:12.35 | Gourra | http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Contributions/Facemaker |
| 12:12.37 | Adys | DuTempete: this is very simple |
| 12:12.43 | DuTempete | oooh not assaulthead |
| 12:14.16 | Adys | DuTempete: Im making an openwdb format, to have a standardization over WDB and DBC data stored |
| 12:14.35 | Adys | Then, Im converting WDBs and DBCs and making them available on the net, freely |
| 12:14.43 | Gourra | thanks Adys |
| 12:15.26 | Adys | then, Im making the wiki able to parse this data (ideally, have it in local) so that the wiki can have automatically generated tooltips for items, quests, etc |
| 12:15.33 | Adys | instead of relying on editors to have it done for them |
| 12:16.53 | Dotted | but does that justify removal of third party DBs? |
| 12:17.17 | DuTempete | I don't think there's any reason to ever remove the DBs |
| 12:18.58 | Adys | it does justify it |
| 12:19.03 | Adys | it doesnt mean you have to do it |
| 12:19.19 | DuTempete | I think it would most certainly violate the spirit of the wiki |
| 12:19.30 | Adys | and i think you're biased :) |
| 12:19.44 | DuTempete | am I? |
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| 12:23.48 | Fisker- | i think that wowwiki should either link no db or all db's |
| 12:23.56 | Fisker- | or atleast only the official one |
| 12:25.07 | DuTempete | well I don't mind them all being linked, I /do/ mind them being supported by the wiki as trustworthy |
| 12:25.40 | DuTempete | I like the idea of restricting who goes into the auto elinks set, because that allows us to agree on which sites are trustworthy |
| 12:27.31 | Fisker- | depends on how you define trustworthy |
| 12:27.55 | Fisker- | For example pretty much every site have been through the keylogger situation |
| 12:28.28 | DuTempete | ok, let's call it a "relative trustworthiness" |
| 12:28.48 | Adys | since when is there relativity in wiki policies :p |
| 12:29.01 | Adys | i dont decide anyway you guys sort it once its done |
| 12:29.13 | Dotted | Fisker- OH SHI- http://www.wowi.dk/wiki/index.php?title=Forside OH SHI- |
| 12:30.01 | Fisker- | du har vel ikke gået til wowi? |
| 12:31.16 | Dotted | nej, det er en konkurrende wiki |
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| 13:24.02 | Adys | Why the fuck do people react badly towards netsplits, like if they had never seen them |
| 13:24.17 | Adys | get a decent client that reduces the spam and quit whining gee |
| 13:26.03 | Adys | Gourra: why did you change Jandice Barov.jpg ? |
| 13:26.35 | Gourra | it's the same picture, I resized it so it wouldn't fall under "Big Images" category |
| 13:26.38 | Gourra | is that a problem? |
| 13:26.52 | Adys | *shrugs* its gonna get deleted either way |
| 13:26.58 | Adys | and the new one is horrible quality |
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| 14:01.30 | Adys | gourra this is silly |
| 14:01.39 | Gourra | what? |
| 14:01.47 | Adys | Dont replace images with lower quality images just not to have them in big images |
| 14:02.06 | Gourra | want me to make them slightly below 200 kb then? |
| 14:02.17 | Adys | no, leave them at their full quality |
| 14:02.29 | Adys | the category big images shouldnt be for images > 200kb anyway |
| 14:02.31 | Adys | it should be for 1mb |
| 14:02.45 | Gourra | alright then |
| 14:19.59 | Gourra | Adys could you remove the big images note from http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Crusadeheader.png |
| 14:20.50 | Adys | done |
| 14:20.56 | Gourra | thanks |
| 14:25.58 | pcj | starts uploading 200mb TIFs |
| 14:26.15 | Adys | xcf dood |
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| 15:45.38 | Kirkburn|sleep | Adys, I disagree with 1MB being the limit, but yes, 200Kb is on the low side |
| 15:45.50 | Kirkburn | And good morning |
| 15:45.54 | Adys | well yea im not gonna be picky |
| 15:45.55 | Adys | morning |
| 15:46.03 | Adys | but 200kb is just silly :P |
| 15:46.15 | Adys | make it 500-750 min |
| 15:46.51 | Kirkburn | I'm gonna stick it back to 200 (for now), and will start a discussion topic |
| 15:47.04 | Kirkburn | (200 cause that's what it currently actually contains0 |
| 15:47.07 | Adys | i didnt modify anything |
| 15:47.39 | Gourra | morning Kirkburn |
| 15:48.25 | Fisker- | madness |
| 15:48.27 | Gourra | and I'll go back putting the images to 200kb.. |
| 15:48.29 | Fisker- | it's nearly evening |
| 15:48.33 | Gourra | goes Revert mode |
| 15:48.57 | Kirkburn | Gourra, how many did you change? |
| 15:49.05 | Gourra | let's see |
| 15:49.35 | Gourra | 24 |
| 15:49.46 | Kirkburn | Likely all under 500kB? |
| 15:50.08 | Gourra | I'll put those who are above 500 in the category if you'd like |
| 15:51.08 | Kirkburn | Adys, Gourra, if you agree with 500 as a limit, say that on the talk page |
| 15:51.16 | Gourra | just did |
| 15:51.33 | Kirkburn | Adys, go agree and then Gourra doesn't have to do as much |
| 15:52.00 | Kirkburn | http://www.wowwiki.com/Category_talk:Big_Images |
| 15:54.30 | Adys | on it |
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| 15:58.12 | Adys | hey Kirkburn, can you change #mw-recreate-deleted-warn |
| 15:58.34 | Adys | give it a similar background and border to navbox imo |
| 15:58.48 | Kirkburn | What's that from? |
| 15:58.57 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Talk:Your_mom&action=edit try that |
| 15:59.07 | Adys | its a bit uglish atm |
| 15:59.08 | Kirkburn | The blue box? |
| 15:59.13 | Adys | ye |
| 15:59.15 | Kirkburn | Sure |
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| 16:04.06 | Kirkburn | Done, Adys |
| 16:04.26 | Adys | looks good :) |
| 16:05.30 | Kirkburn | This pic is silly - http://png.browsershots.org/e449a5091bc423c5239548216cc551af.png |
| 16:05.41 | Adys | hahaa |
| 16:08.54 | Kirkburn | If I just position:relative something (without coords), it shouldn't have any effect, right? |
| 16:09.03 | Adys | depends |
| 16:09.14 | Adys | if its parent is a float, it does |
| 16:09.42 | Kirkburn | This (old) picture worries me - http://png.browsershots.org/6468cb1c0d9d3f504a9c1d08981ce676.png |
| 16:09.56 | Adys | hm |
| 16:10.02 | Kirkburn | That's IE6 |
| 16:10.11 | Adys | who cares about ie6 :) |
| 16:10.14 | Kirkburn | (No other browser seem to have any real issue) |
| 16:10.42 | Kirkburn | I'm waiting for a new browsershots image atm |
| 16:11.51 | Kirkburn | The parent isn't floated, no |
| 16:11.59 | Adys | then its ie6 sucking |
| 16:14.39 | Jack_Phoenix | IE6 sucks, period. |
| 16:14.48 | Jack_Phoenix | don't support it, support IE7 and higher only :) |
| 16:14.54 | Adys | hugs Jack_Phoenix |
| 16:15.05 | Jack_Phoenix | hugs Adys |
| 16:15.07 | Adys | he speaks the truth kirk |
| 16:15.40 | Kirkburn | Well, if I can make a quick fix for it, I'm going to use it |
| 16:15.57 | Adys | Nooo. |
| 16:16.03 | Adys | you miss the point kirk :( |
| 16:16.25 | Adys | The more sites give IE6 users a better looking web |
| 16:16.33 | Adys | The more IE6 users think their browser is fine |
| 16:16.42 | Adys | The more they whine when a site is not fine |
| 16:16.56 | Adys | The more webdevs have to code to give IE6 users what they want... |
| 16:17.52 | Jack_Phoenix | who the hell uses IE6 nowadays? it's like using windows 95 or such :) |
| 16:18.03 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 16:18.15 | Adys | hes right |
| 16:18.55 | Kirkburn | It's possible it wasn't clearing properly so I've set a {{clr}} after the div and set zoom:1 (yes, eww) |
| 16:19.32 | Kirkburn | Yes, I know, evil |
| 16:19.54 | Adys | See it that way kirk |
| 16:20.43 | Adys | You are making the wiki look better in an outdated browser at the expense of OTHER users who will have to download more source code to show stuff that not only they dont care about since it doesnt affect them, but it increases the memory footprint of their browser |
| 16:20.44 | Kirkburn | pcj ... http://browsershots.org/screenshots/ffc34c1c66b469866e978322b969c013/ |
| 16:21.10 | Kirkburn | Love how you can spy on people's tests |
| 16:21.17 | pcj | lol |
| 16:21.32 | Kirkburn | Adys, I do understand that |
| 16:21.46 | Vesitin | my GM was telling me last night that Bishop's Cloak is better than Kharmaa's Shroud of Hope. Any opinions on the matter? |
| 16:21.53 | Kirkburn | However, there's a fair few people who browse at work who I don't want to annoy just yet |
| 16:22.06 | Kirkburn | (at least not at the same time as a skin launch) |
| 16:22.18 | Adys | grumbles :) |
| 16:22.24 | Kirkburn | I've never heard of either of those items |
| 16:22.32 | Adys | I give you that for the main page, but I wont let you do it for other pages ;) |
| 16:22.38 | Kirkburn | Adys, doesn't mean I won't get rid of it later :P |
| 16:24.10 | Vesitin | they are both healer's cloaks. Kharmaa's shroud is 60 badges, gives 34 stam, 15 int, 23 resil, 51 healing, and 6mp5. Bishop's is 25 badges, gives 16 stam, 17 int, 46 healing, and 8mp5 |
| 16:24.41 | Vesitin | right now i have red riding hood's cloak -- 16 stam, 22 int, 48 healing, 7mp5 |
| 16:26.53 | Kirkburn | Which is more important to you, stam or mp5? |
| 16:26.53 | Fisker- | Jack_Phoenix the sad thing is that there is a lot of people who doesn't use XP |
| 16:27.01 | Fisker- | or better |
| 16:27.03 | Vesitin | it's a tough call |
| 16:27.11 | Fisker- | So it's not like they can choose |
| 16:27.33 | Jack_Phoenix | meh |
| 16:27.45 | Vesitin | i'm thinking kharmaa's a better investment since i need better pvp gear. i mainhealed prince without dropping below 90% mana until phase 3 last night... |
| 16:27.59 | Kirkburn | I would agree with that |
| 16:28.07 | Kirkburn | Going to Bishop's looks like going sideways |
| 16:28.16 | Adys | Fisker-: before you say anything more let this be a warning, Im kickbanning you next time I spot trolling |
| 16:29.59 | Fisker- | be my guest and confirm you zealotry |
| 16:30.21 | Adys | it's not zealotry |
| 16:30.32 | Adys | Im tired of seeing 1 hour MS arguments in this chan regularly |
| 16:30.41 | Fisker- | It's a shame that a guy can't have an opinion without having to be banned by a firefox zealot which only response to ones question is 1. "Lol we don't care" and 2. "you clueless idiot" |
| 16:30.49 | Fisker- | Adys then don't start |
| 16:30.51 | Adys | Im tired of seeing dumb aggressivity every minute |
| 16:30.58 | Fisker- | You're the one being aggressive |
| 16:31.05 | Adys | Im tired of seeing you in this chan go untouched just because we know you |
| 16:31.38 | Fisker- | act more professionally and it won't be an issue |
| 16:31.48 | Kirkburn | Moving swiftly on ... |
| 16:31.51 | Fisker- | http://i25.tinypic.com/2vmhngm.png <-btw IE8 |
| 16:31.53 | Adys | More professionally? it doesnt happen only with me, it happens with everyone |
| 16:31.57 | Kirkburn | http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Undelete/Talk:Your_mom ... Adys, made the restore box sexier too |
| 16:31.59 | Fisker- | bah |
| 16:32.01 | Fisker- | it was resized |
| 16:32.12 | Fisker- | Adys no it doesn't |
| 16:32.23 | Kirkburn | Fisker-, need http://www.wowwiki.com/Portal:World_of_Warcraft tested |
| 16:32.37 | Fisker- | alright |
| 16:32.48 | Adys | Yes it does Fisker- if only it happened with kirk the other day |
| 16:32.48 | Adys | brb |
| 16:33.04 | Kirkburn | lol, still shows as http://png.browsershots.org/d2d6cbc72af7125e9307de28cecdfb0a.png |
| 16:35.21 | Fisker- | No it doesn't Adys |
| 16:35.21 | Fisker- | btw |
| 16:36.06 | Fisker- | http://developersdevelopersdevelopers.dk/Portal.png |
| 16:36.09 | Adys | yes it does, now here's an advice, dont piss me off more than that or you're out of here |
| 16:36.13 | Fisker- | that's how the page looks in IE8 |
| 16:36.47 | Fisker- | Adys i'm only confirming that you are unable to the least argue your points or present any kind of proof |
| 16:36.57 | Kirkburn | Enough |
| 16:37.02 | Adys | Enough indeed |
| 16:37.03 | Fisker- | Given that all you say is "You're a problem" "Here's no proof" all i can respond with is "No i'm not" |
| 16:37.16 | Kirkburn | Fisker-, wow, IE8 has some severe problems |
| 16:37.30 | Kirkburn | I guess MW needs to update |
| 16:37.48 | Adys | kirk tried a forceskin on browsershots? |
| 16:37.58 | Fisker- | I'm guessing it might be sending some custom stuff for IE not considering IE8 |
| 16:38.41 | Kirkburn | it's using the ooold skin, so probably is treating it like IE7 and earlier |
| 16:39.31 | Kirkburn | Adys, doing that now |
| 16:39.38 | Adys | oh wait |
| 16:39.43 | Adys | you got the css for it? |
| 16:39.58 | Kirkburn | css for it? |
| 16:40.10 | Adys | wowwiki colors are still on your css only no? |
| 16:40.16 | Adys | (and most tweaks) |
| 16:40.28 | Kirkburn | Yeah |
| 16:40.37 | Kirkburn | seeing it on monaco is enough though |
| 16:40.43 | Adys | hm k |
| 16:40.55 | Fisker- | nope |
| 16:41.06 | Fisker- | it's roughly the same with a Firefox 2 useragent |
| 16:41.09 | Kirkburn | Fisker-, try http://www.wowwiki.com/Portal:World_of_Warcraft?useskin=monaco&usetheme=slate |
| 16:42.57 | Fisker- | http://developersdevelopersdevelopers.dk/Portal2.png |
| 16:43.15 | Fisker- | The "Patch 2.4 is out part" seems to jump around |
| 16:43.32 | Fisker- | sometimes it's at the right place other times it's slightly below |
| 16:43.37 | Adys | jesus those colors |
| 16:43.41 | Adys | why do they even exist |
| 16:44.11 | Kirkburn | Hmm, looks like IE8's engine really needs work |
| 16:44.21 | Kirkburn | Monaco shouldn't be loading any IE specific hacks |
| 16:44.37 | Fisker- | From what i can see it doesn't |
| 16:44.44 | Fisker- | it's the same result in Firefox |
| 16:44.46 | Fisker- | err |
| 16:44.50 | Fisker- | With a firefox agent i mean |
| 16:45.07 | Kirkburn | So def the layout engine? |
| 16:45.18 | Kirkburn | Thanks for taking a look |
| 16:45.43 | Kirkburn | IE8 looks like it has float bugs |
| 16:45.47 | Fisker- | Not running in IE7 compatibility mode = horror on most sites |
| 16:45.55 | Fisker- | some abnormalities as well as major performance issues |
| 16:46.11 | Kirkburn | Yeah I think perf is set for beta 2 |
| 16:46.26 | Kirkburn | Here's hoping it gets better soon :P |
| 16:46.48 | Fisker- | http://multimedia.ekstrabladet.dk/eb/archive/00333/No_name_333237g.jpg <-lol |
| 16:46.54 | Fisker- | i like how the woman is smiling at the camera |
| 16:47.42 | Fisker- | Totally inappropiate for the situation |
| 16:47.47 | Fisker- | (2 people got shot |
| 16:47.48 | Fisker- | ) |
| 16:51.34 | Adys | man lol |
| 16:51.45 | Adys | I almost got acid2 working on mediawiki |
| 16:52.43 | Kirkburn | Seen the new British coins? http://www.royalmint.com/newdesigns/designsRevealed.aspx |
| 16:52.58 | Kirkburn | Every coin except for the £2 will have a new look |
| 16:54.14 | Adys | Kirkburn: http://86.205.211.132/~adys/hugesuccess.png |
| 16:54.29 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 16:54.58 | Fisker- | those coins aren't round :( |
| 16:55.39 | Fisker- | btw Kirkburn |
| 16:55.47 | Fisker- | when's doctor who being aired? :P |
| 16:56.12 | Kirkburn | Fisker-, the shape of the coins isn't changing at all ... the 50p and 20p have always been that way |
| 16:57.00 | Fisker- | Probably best to keep it as-is then :) |
| 16:57.03 | Fisker- | but still silly |
| 16:57.11 | Kirkburn | imagine if you're blind |
| 16:57.14 | Gourra | ey Georgie |
| 16:57.25 | Fisker- | oh |
| 16:57.28 | Kirkburn | Gourra, sup? |
| 16:57.36 | Kirkburn | Fisker-, each coin has a different feel on the edge |
| 16:57.38 | Fisker- | we got indents on the side of the coin for that |
| 16:57.48 | Kirkburn | yeah, same principle |
| 16:57.53 | Gourra | just trying out the names of wowwikian ^^ |
| 16:58.06 | Gourra | *cough*facebook |
| 16:58.07 | Kaso | Fisker-, 20p/50p are awesome, dont you go bad mothing their shape |
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| 16:58.31 | Kirkburn | *cough* user page, reports linked on front page, website *cough* |
| 16:58.36 | Kaso | i love the new coin design |
| 16:58.40 | Gourra | >_> |
| 16:58.51 | Kirkburn | Kaso, me too |
| 16:58.53 | Gourra | fine I'll just try someone else's name then.. |
| 16:58.56 | Kaso | getting away from the symmeterical image in the center of a disk is good |
| 16:59.03 | Kirkburn | jealous of the guy who won the design competition though |
| 16:59.04 | Kaso | ii wish they'd done a £2 to match though |
| 16:59.31 | Fisker- | they have design competitions for that? :P |
| 17:00.52 | foxlit | Soo... |
| 17:00.59 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/Illidari_Council |
| 17:01.10 | Fisker- | so what do you win? :o |
| 17:01.10 | foxlit | "Health2,984,000 (shared)" |
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| 17:01.28 | Kaso | you win your design being on the coin? |
| 17:01.41 | Fisker- | i want MONEY! |
| 17:01.42 | Fisker- | also |
| 17:01.48 | Fisker- | i want to be knighted!1 |
| 17:02.01 | foxlit | nonono |
| 17:02.10 | foxlit | Knights ride out and murder trolls |
| 17:02.15 | foxlit | Trolls do not become knights :( |
| 17:02.31 | foxlit | Health estimate seems like total bs |
| 17:02.40 | Fisker- | In a kingdom of trolls wouldn't one speak trollish? |
| 17:02.41 | Fisker- | :D |
| 17:02.42 | Kaso | "The comeptition generated more than 4,000 designs from over 500 people" |
| 17:02.46 | foxlit | And screenshot is outright impossible |
| 17:02.50 | Kaso | Oh royal mint, when will you learn to spellcheck |
| 17:02.53 | foxlit | They are not neutral, rogue should've been dead. |
| 17:03.18 | Fisker- | isn't that warrior t6? |
| 17:03.24 | Fisker- | helloooooooo private server |
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| 17:04.25 | Dotted | Fisker- it seems i have ordered 8kg DVD+RW's |
| 17:04.45 | foxlit | Fisker-: a warrior with warglaives, np! |
| 17:04.59 | Fisker- | awesome Dotted |
| 17:05.16 | Dotted | but actually i ordered 10 |
| 17:06.05 | foxlit | wowhead also has moronic hp estimates |
| 17:06.47 | Fisker- | but foxlit |
| 17:06.57 | Fisker- | he also added a picture of Ashes of Al'ar |
| 17:07.05 | Fisker- | without mentioning "omg our guild got it" |
| 17:07.35 | Kaso | Prob private server pictures, but does it really matter? |
| 17:07.52 | Fisker- | Well it's not representing the npc's correctly |
| 17:08.00 | Fisker- | they're apparently not neutral |
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| 17:09.30 | foxlit | It's not that interesting; but it really should get another screenshot :) |
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| 17:15.39 | Kirkburn | yay, IE6 - http://png.browsershots.org/b056dfa63856b87e3079f63bbeae82bb.png o_O |
| 17:16.39 | Xelopheris | That's just a symptom of ie6 sucking |
| 17:16.47 | Xelopheris | What's it get, 7 on the acid3 test still? |
| 17:17.34 | Kalroth | http://www.wowwiki.com/Illidari_Council <- they got 6 million health shared, not 3 :) |
| 17:17.46 | Kalroth | (to foxlit) |
| 17:17.46 | foxlit | "still", /point /mock |
| 17:17.56 | foxlit | It's technically 7 |
| 17:18.03 | Kalroth | How do you figure? |
| 17:18.03 | foxlit | But who's counting? |
| 17:18.09 | Kalroth | oh |
| 17:18.13 | foxlit | Count incoming damage until they die. |
| 17:18.27 | foxlit | Substract healing if they managed to do any |
| 17:18.27 | Kalroth | http://wowwebstats.com/1zq61w2j1y2d5?s=17410-17752&a=151 |
| 17:18.35 | Kalroth | Damage received : 6,080,310 (279 %), heals received : 0, overhealed 0 % |
| 17:18.49 | foxlit | Yeah, that's pretty standard |
| 17:19.04 | foxlit | What you're forgetting the other three NPCs |
| 17:19.12 | Kalroth | what about them? |
| 17:19.17 | foxlit | They take damage too |
| 17:19.32 | Kalroth | very, very little :) |
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| 17:20.02 | Kalroth | yeah ok, the mage took 600k |
| 17:20.04 | Kirkburn | Xelopheris, better than http://png.browsershots.org/d2d6cbc72af7125e9307de28cecdfb0a.png at least (the earlier version) |
| 17:20.07 | foxlit | Would you like to take a minute to look at wws? :) |
| 17:20.19 | Kalroth | I linked you a wws link, no? :p |
| 17:20.58 | foxlit | I have something considerably better, though; it's just that your conclusion didn't match your data :) |
| 17:21.00 | Kalroth | But yes, they got 6.8-6.9 million health |
| 17:22.07 | Xelopheris | They have just shy of 7 mil total |
| 17:22.20 | Xelopheris | WWS parses don't do justice because the rogue and mage receive a fair amount of damage |
| 17:22.35 | Kalroth | they do, I was looking at paladin damage only though |
| 17:22.44 | foxlit | Depends on what your raid does, really |
| 17:22.50 | Kalroth | WWS parse clearly shows 6.9 million damage in the top ;) |
| 17:22.54 | foxlit | That mage took an obscene amount of nature damage :) |
| 17:23.18 | Xelopheris | wtf is nature damage in that fight O_o |
| 17:23.27 | foxlit | shamans |
| 17:23.31 | foxlit | probably elemental shamans |
| 17:23.34 | Xelopheris | Oh, thought you meant mage tank |
| 17:23.41 | Xelopheris | because he took 5k in nature damage |
| 17:23.50 | Polarina | Simple solution so we can get this information clear. Go there yourself and calculate! :D |
| 17:23.51 | foxlit | poison |
| 17:23.53 | Xelopheris | ah |
| 17:23.56 | Xelopheris | right, of course |
| 17:24.05 | Xelopheris | /stupid |
| 17:24.06 | foxlit | Polarina: been there, done that, got the T-Shirt |
| 17:24.10 | Kalroth | Polarina: I've been killing Council since november, so .. :) |
| 17:24.26 | Polarina | What's the problem then? |
| 17:24.32 | foxlit | 295k to mage, 232k to rogue, 184k to priest, 6315k to paladin |
| 17:25.38 | foxlit | Polarina: that HP estimation on that fight is ridonkulous. |
| 17:27.47 | foxlit | It's also interesting that sites like wowhead/wowdb base their estimates on percentage shifts |
| 17:27.54 | Kalroth | Not anymore, foxlit! |
| 17:28.25 | foxlit | oh; what and when changed? |
| 17:28.48 | Kalroth | I just edited the page, sheesh :P |
| 17:29.13 | foxlit | Ah, just bad reply timing, then :) |
| 17:30.02 | Polarina | Anyone knows what gxMultisampleQuality does? |
| 17:30.21 | foxlit | Changes the graphics multisampling quality, obviously |
| 17:30.26 | foxlit | What else could it do? :) |
| 17:30.46 | Kalroth | It could be the quality of the sound when you're playing multiple samples! |
| 17:31.27 | Polarina | foxlit: Of course. How does it increase the quality, or what does the term "quality" mean there? |
| 17:32.55 | foxlit | Uh, I only answer questions with a troll-like remark that contributes no actual knowledge |
| 17:33.10 | foxlit | If I wasn't doing that, I'd suggest it alters the fsaa level. |
| 17:33.48 | Polarina | foxlit: gxMultisample does that. |
| 17:40.24 | Kirkburn | Adys, well ... something fixed it - http://png.browsershots.org/c0ce0da08067359366f2cee758bd94d5.png |
| 17:41.43 | Kirkburn | I see Linux has some size problems with the default font being so wide, so the portal link size has been reduced now |
| 17:42.05 | Kirkburn | Whoever linked me to browsershots originally, thank you soooo much |
| 17:54.51 | Adys | lol |
| 17:54.55 | Adys | kalroth linked it first i think |
| 17:55.13 | Adys | i dont have any font problems on linux atm |
| 17:55.15 | Kalroth | I just use it to link porn safely :( |
| 17:55.21 | Adys | Oh! |
| 17:55.27 | Adys | oh kirk |
| 17:55.48 | Adys | Kirkburn: the tabs are not sticking to the box now on gecko :) |
| 17:55.58 | Adys | (read: drop the silly IE fixes) |
| 17:56.05 | Kirkburn | Refresh |
| 17:56.13 | Adys | done, cheers |
| 17:56.16 | Kirkburn | I moved code to css :P |
| 17:56.45 | Kirkburn | Some more could be moved, maybe later |
| 17:56.55 | Adys | btw kirk |
| 17:57.03 | Kirkburn | http://browsershots.org/http://www.wowwiki.com/Portal:World_of_Warcraft?useskin=monaco&usetheme=slate ... such a selection :P |
| 17:57.05 | Adys | can we drop the stripes from the tabdiv background :( |
| 17:57.08 | Adys | looks uglies |
| 17:57.25 | Kalroth | Kirkburn: I'm using Netscape 2.0 and I got issues with the frontpage, can you please fix it!? |
| 17:57.32 | Kirkburn | Adys, I like :( |
| 17:57.35 | Adys | Kalroth: on it! |
| 17:57.43 | Adys | Kirkburn: plzzzzzzz |
| 17:58.02 | Polarina | Any good tips on how to raise money for epic flying mount quickly? :( |
| 17:58.11 | Adys | try scamming |
| 17:58.11 | Kirkburn | Dailies |
| 17:58.16 | Kalroth | err, play the game? :) |
| 17:58.20 | Kirkburn | Adys, I'll think about it |
| 17:58.33 | Adys | :P |
| 17:58.47 | Kirkburn | Depends on what it's to be replaced with |
| 17:58.56 | kirby | O_o |
| 17:59.05 | Adys | #282828 was nice, Kirkburn |
| 17:59.31 | Adys | btw we should switch some of our icons to svg |
| 18:00.07 | Kirkburn | Aye, and hmm ... need to go through the css and make the colours more consistent |
| 18:00.25 | Kirkburn | We've got a whole range from 20 to 29 |
| 18:00.53 | Kirkburn | I'll take a look later or tomorrow |
| 18:00.54 | Adys | well i wouldnt say its a bad thing |
| 18:01.08 | Kirkburn | When you've got 27 28 and 29, I think that's overkill :P |
| 18:01.13 | Adys | lol |
| 18:01.16 | Adys | well ok i give you that |
| 18:01.17 | Adys | 28 >* |
| 18:01.56 | Kirkburn | Yeah, 20, 25, 28 (or 29) is probably enough |
| 18:01.59 | Kirkburn | Anyway, something for later |
| 18:02.17 | Kirkburn | Found any more odd styling? |
| 18:02.22 | Adys | hrm |
| 18:02.28 | Adys | well |
| 18:02.41 | Adys | could give the more menu a bit more spacing, and a hover |
| 18:02.59 | Adys | and the preferences tabs could use hover aswell |
| 18:03.31 | Kirkburn | Hmm, hover should be possible |
| 18:03.49 | Adys | also give #preferences padding: 4px |
| 18:04.01 | Kirkburn | why? |
| 18:04.15 | Adys | because atm its a bit ugly in the prefs, the text sticks to the borders |
| 18:04.36 | Adys | uh hold on |
| 18:05.08 | Adys | no, wait |
| 18:05.22 | Adys | #preferences fieldset |
| 18:05.49 | Adys | (could even give it 8px |
| 18:06.04 | Kirkburn | Try now |
| 18:06.26 | Adys | Yeah that does it too =P |
| 18:06.32 | Adys | hmm |
| 18:07.43 | Kirkburn | It's cause I altered fieldset earlier |
| 18:10.22 | Adys | Im trying to fix the tabs in the prefs |
| 18:11.03 | Kirkburn | mw:wowwiki.css might be a good reference |
| 18:11.14 | Adys | Im firebugging :P |
| 18:11.15 | Adys | alot better |
| 18:11.36 | Adys | mind if i edit your monaco.css kirk |
| 18:12.46 | Kirkburn | go ahead |
| 18:15.11 | Kirkburn | nice |
| 18:15.17 | Adys | not done :P |
| 18:16.32 | Adys | argh :) its in allinone.css |
| 18:16.34 | Adys | hm |
| 18:16.50 | Kirkburn | "Hello, is this Tanya's phone?" ... er, no |
| 18:16.58 | Adys | its not? |
| 18:17.04 | Kirkburn | No, it's definately mine |
| 18:17.13 | Adys | i bet you stoled it |
| 18:17.21 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 18:17.32 | Kirkburn | the old wowwiki.css had nice fixed width tabs |
| 18:18.08 | Kirkburn | Actually, hmm, probably not a good idea to copy them |
| 18:18.20 | Adys | Im redoing them atm |
| 18:18.22 | Adys | its a pain tho |
| 18:18.28 | Kirkburn | Make them like the main page tabs? :P |
| 18:18.47 | Adys | sure :) no rounded corner tho |
| 18:18.47 | Kirkburn | I'll leave you to it |
| 18:19.05 | Kirkburn | (why not?) |
| 18:19.24 | Adys | we'd have to space them to have it pretty |
| 18:19.29 | Adys | and on low res it can be ugly |
| 18:19.33 | Adys | theres 10 tabs |
| 18:25.08 | Kirkburn | hmm, editing fieldset had more of an effect than I expected, but it looks okay |
| 18:25.29 | Kirkburn | (e.g. see top of http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Contributions/Kirkburn ) |
| 18:27.50 | Adys | hm |
| 18:33.44 | rjm | I'm trying to find the best tooltip/combat addon so I can quickly identify targets at range, any suggestions? |
| 18:38.26 | Kaso | Anyone seen those GF TF2 videos? |
| 18:39.43 | Adys | Kirkburn: refresh and tell me what you think |
| 18:39.55 | Adys | i did space them a bit |
| 18:39.59 | Adys | but only slightly |
| 18:40.00 | Kirkburn | V nice |
| 18:40.49 | Adys | Where is the JS for the prefs |
| 18:41.01 | Adys | the onclick is on the links rather than the li :( |
| 18:41.45 | pcj | lolol adys |
| 18:41.50 | Adys | wut |
| 18:42.07 | pcj | are you trying to add a preferences section |
| 18:42.13 | Adys | .. no? |
| 18:42.27 | pcj | what are you trying to do |
| 18:42.44 | Adys | I want the JS onclick on the <li> instead of the <a> |
| 18:43.04 | pcj | why |
| 18:43.16 | pcj | for your personal JS or for everyone? |
| 18:43.17 | Adys | because the hover is on the <li> and not the <a> |
| 18:43.21 | Adys | everyone |
| 18:43.28 | Adys | its a few annoying px |
| 18:43.41 | pcj | that wouldn't deprecate well |
| 18:44.29 | pcj | http://images.wikia.com/common/skins-200804.1/common/wikibits.js?20080331165760 search for "preferences" |
| 18:44.37 | Kirkburn | gah, what turned the pref bg white |
| 18:44.40 | Adys | which line |
| 18:44.47 | Adys | oh got it |
| 18:45.00 | Adys | Kirkburn: ? |
| 18:45.32 | Kirkburn | Fixed the whiteness, whoops |
| 18:45.47 | Kirkburn | okay, now selected tabs have black text |
| 18:45.59 | Adys | no Oo |
| 18:46.15 | Adys | looks fine here |
| 18:47.21 | Kirkburn | On IE |
| 18:47.38 | Adys | lol |
| 18:48.34 | Kirkburn | Only seems to occur on :active |
| 18:48.53 | Adys | :/ |
| 18:49.15 | laurly | feels sorry for the server |
| 18:49.22 | Adys | dont laurly |
| 18:49.31 | laurly | mine its having a heart atack |
| 18:49.53 | laurly | im so mean to it. |
| 18:51.11 | Adys | Kirkburn: http://86.205.211.132/~adys/woot.png |
| 18:51.18 | Adys | pixel for pixel editing ftw :) |
| 18:51.36 | |Pixel| | ? |
| 18:51.41 | Adys | not you |
| 18:51.44 | |Pixel| | ah :P |
| 18:51.48 | Adys | lol |
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| 18:55.43 | Polarina | lol. :P |
| 18:58.13 | Kirkburn | Adys, love how there's always something - http://png.browsershots.org/c00bfa962a5ae32e471880ba712a0837.png |
| 18:58.56 | Adys | lmao |
| 18:59.05 | Adys | give it up with ie6 srsly :P |
| 18:59.20 | Adys | we'll be like google |
| 18:59.24 | Kirkburn | I know why that happened, it was positioning relative to the previously position relative item |
| 18:59.29 | Adys | we have the search button in the middle |
| 18:59.31 | Kirkburn | So now the table has it too ... |
| 19:00.00 | Kirkburn | Anyway, I'm happy :P |
| 19:00.12 | Kirkburn | It's usable, though not sexy like Fx and most others |
| 19:00.28 | Gourra | how come the "Warcraft universe" and "World of Warcraft" portals are the same? |
| 19:00.49 | Adys | they are not |
| 19:00.58 | Gourra | what's the difference? |
| 19:01.04 | Adys | Look closely |
| 19:01.19 | Gourra | I see |
| 19:01.35 | Gourra | the article index is different |
| 19:02.15 | Gourra | so many parts of the portals that are the same |
| 19:02.23 | Kirkburn | Yeah, gonna work on that |
| 19:03.35 | Adys | Kirkburn: omg |
| 19:03.35 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Newpages |
| 19:03.57 | Kirkburn | What? |
| 19:04.08 | Adys | scroll a bit |
| 19:04.11 | Adys | wtf with all the colors? |
| 19:04.22 | Kirkburn | What colours? |
| 19:04.36 | Adys | dark and light grey |
| 19:04.49 | Kirkburn | Dark = unpatrolled |
| 19:04.50 | Adys | its patrolling stuff? |
| 19:04.51 | Adys | bahh |
| 19:04.59 | Adys | well actually not so bad |
| 19:05.00 | Kirkburn | It was bright yellow |
| 19:05.04 | Adys | hahah |
| 19:05.05 | Kirkburn | What's a better colour? |
| 19:05.12 | Adys | hmm |
| 19:05.14 | Adys | lemme see |
| 19:05.38 | Gourra | pink! |
| 19:05.47 | DuTempete | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:05.50 | Kirkburn | Difference is <li> and <li class="not-patrolled"> |
| 19:05.52 | Gourra | or dark green |
| 19:05.54 | DuTempete | like the background for the main page boxes |
| 19:05.54 | Adys | pink |
| 19:07.20 | DuTempete | not enough contrast with the dark grey... I can hardly see where it starts in the texty areas |
| 19:07.26 | Kirkburn | Dark red? |
| 19:07.30 | Kirkburn | (try now) |
| 19:07.39 | Adys | wait kirk |
| 19:07.40 | Adys | better idea |
| 19:08.03 | DuTempete | well it's easier to see |
| 19:08.15 | DuTempete | any way to get it to include the line number? |
| 19:08.45 | Kirkburn | Probably, we can do per-page li formatting |
| 19:08.46 | Adys | no |
| 19:08.54 | Kirkburn | or not |
| 19:08.57 | Adys | :P |
| 19:09.00 | DuTempete | lol |
| 19:09.04 | Kirkburn | why not? |
| 19:09.15 | Adys | because list numbers suck |
| 19:09.16 | Adys | brb phone |
| 19:09.17 | Kirkburn | And what's your better idea? |
| 19:09.23 | Kirkburn | rawr |
| 19:09.23 | DuTempete | hehe |
| 19:09.30 | Kirkburn | Well, I'm gonna tweak anyway |
| 19:09.50 | DuTempete | I think I'm going to take a nap |
| 19:10.17 | Gourra | night DuTempete |
| 19:11.01 | Adys | sorry back, Kirkburn padding-left 5px; border-left: 3px solid #ff0000; background-color: #333333 |
| 19:11.43 | Adys | and also, padding: 2px for all |
| 19:11.52 | zZzTempete | that's a really good idea |
| 19:11.52 | Adys | its hard to read :( |
| 19:12.01 | Kirkburn | Yeah, I'm line-height increase |
| 19:12.06 | Adys | i know, im gonna copyright it zZzTempete |
| 19:12.06 | Kirkburn | padding probably works better I guess |
| 19:12.13 | zZzTempete | sighs. |
| 19:12.58 | zZzTempete | hehe only time I've used line-height was to cheat in that blue version, to get the arrows to center verically :P |
| 19:13.01 | Adys | also you can try border-top right bottom: 1px dotted #880000 |
| 19:13.14 | zZzTempete | huh? |
| 19:13.19 | Adys | not you! |
| 19:13.22 | zZzTempete | why on earth would you put a border aroundt hem? |
| 19:13.31 | Adys | because they have no background |
| 19:13.41 | zZzTempete | what doesn't? |
| 19:13.49 | Adys | with background-color #333 they dont have a different background anymore |
| 19:13.56 | zZzTempete | and you realise you would get an individual border for each line? |
| 19:13.59 | Kirkburn | Done |
| 19:14.00 | Adys | yes |
| 19:14.19 | Kirkburn | Er, well, half done |
| 19:14.25 | Kirkburn | Gonna try the rest of that |
| 19:14.46 | zZzTempete | oh, no! |
| 19:14.49 | zZzTempete | I like that! |
| 19:15.04 | zZzTempete | <3 the big red line! |
| 19:15.08 | Adys | my idea is copyrighted though |
| 19:15.28 | zZzTempete | sod off |
| 19:15.38 | Adys | the big red line is mine! |
| 19:15.46 | zZzTempete | I stealz. |
| 19:15.52 | Adys | oh no you dont |
| 19:16.29 | Adys | Kirkburn: tried dotted? =P |
| 19:16.56 | Kirkburn | Dotted smells |
| 19:17.00 | Adys | tru |
| 19:17.10 | Adys | border-style:dotted dotted dotted solid; |
| 19:17.14 | Dotted | what me or the css property? |
| 19:17.19 | Adys | you |
| 19:17.39 | Dotted | :( |
| 19:17.45 | Kirkburn | Huh, can't border-collapse |
| 19:17.51 | Adys | eh? |
| 19:18.03 | zZzTempete | I think that's table only, isn't it? |
| 19:18.04 | Kirkburn | It won't border collapse |
| 19:18.18 | zZzTempete | lose the bottom border |
| 19:18.25 | zZzTempete | or nm |
| 19:18.33 | Kirkburn | Yeah, table only it seems |
| 19:18.36 | zZzTempete | would have blank bottom when alone |
| 19:18.51 | Adys | no its available for divs only |
| 19:19.04 | Adys | er |
| 19:19.06 | Adys | divs too |
| 19:19.10 | Adys | but.. |
| 19:19.16 | Kirkburn | You meant table |
| 19:19.24 | Adys | let me ask |
| 19:19.27 | Kirkburn | :O |
| 19:21.02 | Adys | oh yes i remember |
| 19:22.13 | Adys | i had that problem a while ago Kirkburn i solved it by overlapping one div out of two |
| 19:22.13 | Adys | well actually something for patrollers isnt worth such an ugly css hack |
| 19:22.13 | Kirkburn | margin-bottom:1px; ? |
| 19:22.13 | Kirkburn | uh, -1px |
| 19:22.17 | Adys | yes, and border-bottom to 2px |
| 19:22.19 | Adys | but forget it :P |
| 19:22.25 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 19:22.26 | Adys | its just way ugly lol |
| 19:22.37 | Kirkburn | That makes it fun :P |
| 19:22.53 | Adys | :D |
| 19:23.18 | Adys | [21:21:56] <kc8tpz> Firefox3 Beta5 keeps crashing on me in XP Pro. When I debug with visual studio I see this |
| 19:23.24 | Adys | who debugs firefox with visual studio |
| 19:23.32 | Adys | brb killing something |
| 19:23.37 | Kirkburn | Just the -1px seems to have worked |
| 19:24.12 | Adys | :D |
| 19:25.45 | Adys | grr you should be able to mark stuff as patrolled from the page itself |
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| 19:26.35 | Kirkburn | aye |
| 19:32.29 | Kirkburn | zomg, edited {{cost}} |
| 19:33.04 | Kirkburn | People had been seeing "Money" appear in place of the images when they don't load |
| 19:33.12 | Adys | :| |
| 19:33.18 | Kirkburn | Switched so they link to g, s and c |
| 19:33.31 | Kirkburn | And thus appear as g, s, and c when not loading |
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| 19:36.19 | Adys | Kirkburn: can we remove #article min-height: 200px ? |
| 19:36.47 | Kirkburn | Not sure if it's there for a reason |
| 19:37.08 | Adys | Try and see, it might be here for the footer but i removed it |
| 19:37.14 | Gourra | 82 images left.. |
| 19:37.56 | Kirkburn | Adys, replace with :none ? |
| 19:38.15 | Adys | its 0px normally for min stuff |
| 19:38.26 | Kirkburn | k |
| 19:38.28 | Adys | but id think you could remove it entirely |
| 19:38.53 | Kirkburn | Got an example of a short page? |
| 19:39.19 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=User:PWNAGE_ILLIDAN&action=delete |
| 19:39.25 | Adys | (internal error, short article) |
| 19:39.54 | Kirkburn | k, looks okay |
| 19:41.13 | Adys | wiki down now for me |
| 19:41.13 | Kirkburn | Sky will be pleased :) |
| 19:42.08 | Gourra | wiki is just slow for me |
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| 19:56.04 | magic | hi) |
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| 20:02.39 | Adys | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screens_of_death jesus |
| 20:12.46 | Adys | Kirkburn: ping |
| 20:14.08 | Gourra | http://www.wowwiki.com/Guild:White_Kodo_Clan_%28Feathermoon_US%29 oh god that looks horrible |
| 20:14.17 | Kirkburn | Adys, what? |
| 20:14.32 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Icon-move.svg |
| 20:14.35 | Adys | whats with the warning? |
| 20:15.30 | Kirkburn | Doesn't seem to like that style ofsvg |
| 20:15.39 | Kirkburn | Probably the MIME type: application/xml |
| 20:15.48 | Kirkburn | No such notice on http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Foo.svg |
| 20:15.56 | Adys | grr |
| 20:16.08 | Kirkburn | Tried using it on a page? |
| 20:16.16 | Adys | hold on |
| 20:16.34 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:16.35 | Adys | :( |
| 20:16.53 | Kirkburn | Anyway, no other advice I can give |
| 20:16.56 | Kirkburn | Back later |
| 20:17.00 | Adys | have fun |
| 20:21.40 | Kaso | XML Parsing Error: prefix not bound to a namespace |
| 20:21.56 | Adys | ? |
| 20:22.04 | Kaso | what firefox complains when you try and view that image directly |
| 20:22.15 | Adys | ah damnit |
| 20:22.29 | Adys | svg sucks to edit manually :) |
| 20:22.32 | Kaso | has issue with "<sodipodi:namedview" |
| 20:26.24 | Adys | there |
| 20:29.42 | Kaso | accentally exported in some application specific format? |
| 20:32.25 | Gourra | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Illidan.jpg could an admin remove the "Big Images" categorization please |
| 20:33.35 | Adys | better yet |
| 20:33.38 | Adys | changed protection |
| 20:33.46 | Gourra | yeah I was about to question that |
| 20:33.52 | Adys | used to be on the MP |
| 20:34.54 | Kaso | Mediawiki should have a function to do cascading protection, so you protect main page and it protects all included pages |
| 20:35.03 | Adys | now yes |
| 20:35.05 | Adys | back then, no |
| 20:35.16 | Kaso | does it have it now? sweet good going mediawiki |
| 20:35.26 | Adys | :P |
| 20:36.06 | Polarina | F*CK!!! WoWWiki advertising WoW bots and cheats on the MAIN PAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 20:36.15 | Adys | old |
| 20:36.26 | Jack_Phoenix | blames <wowad/> |
| 20:36.32 | Adys | yep |
| 20:36.41 | Adys | http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Emblem-favorites.svg |
| 20:36.47 | Adys | how can "other version" be a spade? |
| 20:38.18 | Jack_Phoenix | because it's wikipedia (well, wikimedia commons to be exact) :) |
| 20:39.23 | Adys | fuck your malicious code detection mediawiki |
| 20:39.48 | Kaso | it's paranoid! |
| 20:39.57 | Kaso | Aaah! nonstandard xml, scary! |
| 20:43.56 | Adys | for the ones interested, a few svgs to replace the current pngs |
| 20:43.56 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:SVG_icons |
| 20:43.58 | Adys | <3 tango |
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| 21:01.07 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Village_pump#SVG_icons |
| 21:04.37 | pcj | loool i got [The 2 Ring] |
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| 21:17.00 | Gourra | http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:Big_Images |
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| 21:19.28 | Addybot | Highlighted Items: TechCrunch - Microsoft (Pretends To) Force Yahooâs Hand - Read more: http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/05/microsoft-pretends-to-force-yahoos-hand/ |
| 21:19.45 | Adys | Everyone should read that its pure gold^ |
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| 21:21.03 | kd3 | could whoever fixed tooltip for 1.12 fix settip too? |
| 21:21.14 | kd3 | [[Magister's Regalia]] is broken |
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| 21:27.30 | Kirkburn|afk | Polarina, it's not much help if you don't actually give any information |
| 21:27.40 | Kirkburn|afk | Firstly, about where, and secondly, what |
| 21:30.43 | Kirkburn | Adys, those icons ... very nice! |
| 21:30.53 | Kirkburn | Is that a standard design for icons? |
| 21:30.53 | Adys | :D |
| 21:31.13 | Kirkburn | (noticing how they're the same design as our current ones) |
| 21:31.14 | Adys | Well i think zeal glassed up the gnome gtk ones |
| 21:31.15 | pcj | kd3 it'd be easier for us and you both if you just provided the full URL now that newsbot is gone |
| 21:31.23 | Adys | those tango icons are used in kde |
| 21:32.18 | Kirkburn | Adys, aha |
| 21:32.31 | Kirkburn | Lots more to come? :) |
| 21:32.54 | Adys | yup, but Im back to throttling my connection tho so not from me tonight |
| 21:32.59 | Adys | lemme give you the link |
| 21:33.33 | Adys | http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Tango_project |
| 21:34.14 | Kirkburn | Ooh, such variety |
| 21:34.21 | Kirkburn | I'd love to start using them :) |
| 21:36.31 | Gourra | http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Puppeter_template.svg new bot image? :) |
| 21:37.02 | Adys | Mind the license btw when you grab icons |
| 21:37.15 | Adys | CC or public domain only if possible |
| 21:37.21 | Gourra | haven't done anything yet |
| 21:37.29 | Adys | just saying in advance |
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| 21:39.04 | Kirkburn | Love the "pulling the strings" design on that |
| 21:39.23 | Gourra | :P |
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| 21:41.52 | Adys | by the way Kirkburn |
| 21:42.18 | Adys | some icons are standard in the gnome/kde community |
| 21:42.34 | Kirkburn | Yeah, I forgot the source of them |
| 21:43.00 | Adys | yea alot are not tho |
| 21:43.19 | Adys | http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Edit-undo.svg didnt see that one |
| 21:44.13 | Kirkburn | To use these on pages, I guess we have to define the size each time? |
| 21:44.30 | Adys | i believe so aye |
| 21:44.40 | Adys | i cant test anything atm |
| 21:44.49 | Adys | Firefox ~ 744 bytes/s |
| 21:46.16 | Kirkburn | np |
| 21:52.56 | Adys | test incoming Kirkburn |
| 21:55.55 | Gourra | that didn't work |
| 21:56.08 | Adys | not just yet |
| 21:56.59 | Adys | GRRRRR |
| 21:58.55 | Adys | Kirkburn: Could you add background: transparent url(http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/wowwiki/images/thumb/3/34/Wwchecker.svg/16px-Wwchecker.svg.png) repeat scroll 0% 0% |
| 21:59.08 | Adys | to div.thumb div a img {} |
| 21:59.47 | Adys | and tell me what you think of the results, i made the checker transparent so it supports all bgs |
| 21:59.59 | Kirkburn | Why would I want that on thumbs? |
| 22:00.35 | Adys | well dunno, thats why I ask what you think of it :P |
| 22:01.02 | Adys | on the thumbs themselves it lets you see the size and the transparency of the image |
| 22:01.04 | Adys | but dunno |
| 22:01.06 | kd3 | why'd it get uploaded as .svg.png? |
| 22:01.15 | kd3 | oh, nvm |
| 22:01.18 | Kirkburn | Ah, I know what to try, sec |
| 22:01.19 | Adys | its the thumbnail |
| 22:02.32 | Adys | man i love svg you have no idea |
| 22:02.52 | Kirkburn | aiee |
| 22:02.53 | Kirkburn | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Icon-add.svg?useskin=monobook |
| 22:03.08 | Kirkburn | Dark parts are way too dark |
| 22:03.21 | Adys | hmm |
| 22:03.23 | Adys | i know what i could do |
| 22:03.39 | Adys | Lemme try sth |
| 22:03.41 | Kirkburn | Added it to common.css, so just tweak the file |
| 22:03.51 | Adys | nah |
| 22:03.53 | Adys | tweaking the img :) |
| 22:04.17 | Kirkburn | Yeah, that's what I meant |
| 22:04.51 | Adys | you have no idea wha the monobook skin looks like here kirk XD |
| 22:05.02 | Adys | i use it to test the acid2 css |
| 22:06.15 | Adys | Kirkburn: uploaded new version, tell me how it is now, i cant load shit for the sake of myself |
| 22:07.49 | foxlit | oh, cute |
| 22:07.59 | foxlit | their solution to disabling blink in eots bubble is to prevent you from blinking |
| 22:08.00 | Kirkburn | looks okay now |
| 22:08.05 | foxlit | "You can't do that yet" |
| 22:08.08 | Adys | haha foxlit |
| 22:08.13 | kd3 | no way... |
| 22:08.22 | Adys | awesome |
| 22:09.10 | Kirkburn | Adys, though the monobook is still a bit dark |
| 22:09.25 | Kirkburn | But nothing like before :P |
| 22:09.37 | Adys | I darkened the squares in fact |
| 22:09.41 | Adys | just made them transparent |
| 22:09.53 | Adys | i can make it more transparent |
| 22:09.55 | kadrahil | has anyone had issues installing wow on osx before, and the installer window not appearing after launching the installer from the cd? |
| 22:10.00 | kadrahil | yet the sound plays |
| 22:10.12 | Adys | problem is it might get too light for the regular skin |
| 22:11.28 | Kirkburn | Could use two different ones? |
| 22:11.43 | Adys | Can do that yep, but wheres the fun! |
| 22:11.46 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 22:12.02 | Adys | want a light checker? |
| 22:12.06 | [Liquidor] | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=3545654945&sid=1 |
| 22:12.17 | Kirkburn | Adys, try upping the transparency a little then |
| 22:12.25 | Adys | kk one sec |
| 22:12.30 | Kirkburn | I think the dark one can cope |
| 22:13.38 | Adys | fuck you firebug |
| 22:13.44 | Adys | grrr |
| 22:15.19 | Kirkburn | Is it me, or is there perhaps something wrong with one of these screenshots - http://browsershots.org/http://www.wowwiki.com/Portal:Main :) |
| 22:15.21 | kd3 | heh... <3 fark. "[Stupid] Olympic Torch arrives in Heathrow, will presumably get lost" |
| 22:15.35 | Adys | Kirkburn: try now, reduced opacity to 30% |
| 22:16.00 | kd3 | kirk; the hell? |
| 22:16.00 | Adys | lol Kirkburn |
| 22:16.23 | Kirkburn | Heh, now it's too light on the main skin :P |
| 22:16.36 | Kirkburn | Great on the monobook one ;) |
| 22:16.52 | Adys | hmmm |
| 22:17.10 | Adys | maybe if i lighten on the main skin but up opacity |
| 22:17.52 | Kirkburn | If it's a pain for you to test, don't worry about it atm |
| 22:18.02 | Adys | I yanked the connection |
| 22:18.07 | Adys | so np |
| 22:18.34 | Adys | now Kirkburn ? |
| 22:18.53 | Adys | seems to look ok on both atm to me |
| 22:19.03 | Kirkburn | Perfect |
| 22:21.22 | Adys | man how can monobook be so ugly on ww |
| 22:22.21 | Adys | haha man |
| 22:22.21 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Adys?useskin=monobook |
| 22:23.19 | Kirkburn | Orly? http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Kirkburn?useskin=monobook |
| 22:23.36 | Adys | not bad ;) |
| 22:24.00 | Adys | btw Kirkburn, can you give a border to article/talk tabs? |
| 22:24.32 | Kirkburn | possibly maybe |
| 22:24.58 | Adys | border: 1px solid #686868; border-bottom: none; doesnt look bad |
| 22:27.10 | Kirkburn | Which? Active/inactive? |
| 22:27.35 | Adys | botgh |
| 22:27.37 | Adys | both* |
| 22:27.47 | Adys | the border doesnt have to change, its not recognizable |
| 22:28.58 | Kirkburn | Done |
| 22:29.28 | Adys | coolio :) |
| 22:29.33 | foxlit | I got my welfare rares! |
| 22:29.36 | foxlit | Have you?! |
| 22:30.30 | foxlit | (and the PvP matching system is appalling, since everything basically still two-shots me in welfare rares) |
| 22:31.53 | Adys | Kirkburn: mmg |
| 22:31.55 | Adys | try this |
| 22:34.41 | Adys | #article { border-top: 1px solid #686868; } #page_tabs li { position: relative; top: 1px } #page_tabs li.selected { border-bottom: 1px solid #333333 } |
| 22:34.43 | Adys | Kirkburn: ^ |
| 22:36.32 | Kirkburn | confused by the top:1px |
| 22:37.06 | Adys | basically i create a border, i hide it on both tabs, i recreate it under the non selected tabs |
| 22:37.30 | Adys | to avoid having one tab smaller than the other |
| 22:38.00 | Kirkburn | oh, the top:1px pushes it down a px, I see |
| 22:38.29 | Adys | aye |
| 22:44.23 | Adys | Kirkburn: the checker isnt really an icon =P |
| 22:44.26 | Kirkburn | Damn, tabs are behind the page |
| 22:44.27 | Adys | ill put it in svg images |
| 22:46.25 | Adys | Kirkburn: looks good here |
| 22:47.09 | Kirkburn | Not working on my Firefox |
| 22:47.43 | Kirkburn | does work on IE o_O |
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| 22:50.08 | Adys | EWWWWWWWWWWW |
| 22:50.14 | Adys | Kirkburn: go to your watchlist |
| 22:50.40 | Kirkburn | what? |
| 22:50.46 | Adys | bah it disappeared |
| 22:50.47 | Adys | sec |
| 22:51.01 | Kirkburn | lag notice? |
| 22:51.04 | Adys | yes |
| 22:51.08 | Adys | in bright pink |
| 22:51.15 | Kirkburn | Don't know the name of them all |
| 22:51.20 | Adys | mw-lag-warn-high |
| 22:51.24 | Adys | class |
| 22:51.55 | Kirkburn | text readable? |
| 22:52.00 | Adys | no, one sec |
| 22:52.58 | Kirkburn | Fx 3 is still failing on the tabs >_> |
| 22:54.02 | Adys | background:#202020 none repeat scroll 0% 0%; border:1px solid #666666; margin:10px; |
| 22:54.12 | Adys | Kirkburn: for div.mw-lag-warn-high |
| 22:54.38 | Adys | ARGH er wait |
| 22:54.45 | Adys | -normal needs the same treatment |
| 22:54.54 | Adys | div.mw-lag-warn-normal |
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| 22:56.38 | Kirkburn | Already did normal |
| 22:56.44 | Kirkburn | What's wrong with it? |
| 22:56.52 | Adys | bright yellow |
| 22:56.59 | Adys | with white text on it |
| 22:57.16 | Adys | ill tell you if i see it againn |
| 22:59.22 | Kirkburn | Both done, fixed normal |
| 22:59.29 | Adys | cheers |
| 22:59.43 | Kirkburn | And seriously, what the hell with Fx 3 messing up |
| 22:59.55 | Adys | swrong? |
| 22:59.59 | Kirkburn | I'm so confused at that |
| 23:00.10 | Kirkburn | Tabs, not working |
| 23:00.17 | Kirkburn | Still show the border |
| 23:00.27 | Adys | hmm gimme a bit |
| 23:00.46 | Kirkburn | z-index didn't even seem to help |
| 23:04.11 | Adys | hmm, odd |
| 23:04.22 | Adys | lemme fix it |
| 23:04.38 | Kirkburn | How? |
| 23:04.41 | Kirkburn | stopping editing now |
| 23:04.43 | kd3 | heh... always a laugh seeing a WoW ad in the google box |
| 23:04.52 | Adys | Kirkburn: by going the other way |
| 23:05.01 | Adys | remove the border |
| 23:05.14 | Adys | and add it to #page_bar { border-bottom: ... } |
| 23:05.34 | Kirkburn | k |
| 23:07.06 | Adys | :) |
| 23:08.16 | Adys | now you can happily put back position: relative; top: 1px; to #page_tabs |
| 23:08.26 | Adys | and put the border back on the discussion tab |
| 23:08.33 | Adys | er on the unselected tab |
| 23:09.36 | Kirkburn | That hides the border |
| 23:09.50 | Kirkburn | Insane |
| 23:10.04 | Kirkburn | Completely insane |
| 23:10.12 | Adys | hold on ill do it |
| 23:10.33 | Kirkburn | er sec |
| 23:10.37 | Adys | kk |
| 23:11.02 | Kirkburn | bloody thing |
| 23:11.04 | Kirkburn | Didn't help |
| 23:11.11 | Kirkburn | Still works in IE, but still broken on Fx3 |
| 23:11.22 | Adys | lemme fx it |
| 23:11.23 | Adys | fix* |
| 23:11.25 | Adys | heh |
| 23:13.59 | Adys | oooh i know kirby k |
| 23:14.00 | Adys | Kirkburn: |
| 23:14.12 | kirby | >_> |
| 23:15.55 | Adys | Kirkburn: you were trying to zindex it |
| 23:15.59 | Adys | but its a child of its parent |
| 23:16.20 | Adys | and it cant be ahead of |
| 23:16.22 | Adys | wait, nm |
| 23:18.21 | Adys | Kirkburn: think its best to leave it with a small border on fx |
| 23:18.41 | Adys | it does make no sense at all indeed ill talk with the dev team |
| 23:19.03 | Kirkburn | ta |
| 23:20.14 | Kirkburn | Enough of this for today |
| 23:21.33 | Adys | hf kirk |
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| 23:50.51 | kd3 | oh whee. |
| 23:51.17 | kd3 | special:contribs is broken... light grey text on a very light yellowish background |
| 23:51.40 | zZzTempete | lol |
| 23:53.17 | DuTempete | That's not what I'm seeing, kd3 |
| 23:53.23 | DuTempete | refresh your cache? |
| 23:54.04 | kd3 | hm... that warning doesn't always seem to pop up |
| 23:54.19 | kd3 | it's the "Edits newer than 10 seconds may not be in this list" |
| 23:54.23 | kd3 | box at the top |
| 23:54.59 | DuTempete | lol I can't recall ever seeing that warning... that's odd |
| 23:59.13 | Adys | DuTempete: its precisely the one kirk fixed a few mins ago |
| 23:59.17 | Adys | on monaco only :) |
| 23:59.38 | DuTempete | I wasn't here a few minutes ago :p |
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