IRC log for #wowwiki on 20080329

00:04.03Kirochiis pcj that gullible?
00:06.16Kirochiadys, I know your knowledge of World of Warcraft isn't very extended, but anyway I'd like you to check that:http://www.millenium.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=627&Itemid=10
00:07.32Adysy'a rien.
00:08.08Kirochihttp://www.millenium.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=627&Itemid=10
00:08.26Adysouais, euh, et alors?
00:08.28Kirochiwtf, j'ai pas mis d'espace
00:09.00Kirochiben heu, je pioche un peu sur wowwiki et je prends mes screens et je traduis pour donner une petite perspective rp à des gros boeufs du pve
00:09.07Adysok
00:09.16Adysdoivent s'en foutre plus que moi apres tout
00:09.31Kirochimême pas
00:09.38Kirochiils ont lu et ils quyphent
00:09.57Adys:/
00:10.12Adysen meme temps pour pas connaitre greymane wall faut le faire
00:10.42Kirochitu sais que ces mecs passent leur temps à if ou dans les instances ou dtc hein :/
00:11.05Adysouais, c'est a peu pres ce que je faisais ingame moi aussi
00:11.24Adysca m'empeche pas de connaitre le minimum de lore :p
00:11.41Kirochije m'adresse à plein plein de gens
00:11.48Kirochiteams wow, war3, cs, etc
00:11.52Adys:/
00:15.34Kirochihe meant it was time for him to chew ass
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00:30.15Kirochioh, I just cut myself with a shaver blade
00:30.21Kirochijesus christ I am bleedin
00:32.50kd3sighs at the CVN bot
00:37.32Kirkburn|sleeplol, I love this change - Arcane Guardians now say "Remain strong. Kael'thas will -- error -- Lor'thermar will lead you to power and glory!".
00:37.51Adyshaha
00:37.54Kirkburn|sleepkd3, in time, you will love it
00:38.12Adysbtw
00:38.15Adyshttp://www.wowwiki.com/OpenWDB
00:38.23Adysupdated with the new structure
00:38.49kd3lmao
00:39.03Adyshey its not that funny :(
00:42.23Kirkburn|sleepAmazon.co.uk just got a makeover o_O
00:42.42Kirkburn|sleepDid Amazon.co only just change too?
00:42.45Kirkburn|sleep*com
00:52.47Adysaaaand http://www.wowwiki.com/Itemcache.wdb updated too
00:57.48winkillerAdys: what is it good for?
00:57.53winkillertotally eluded me :(
00:57.58Adysmainly porn
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01:05.56OxideStation!list
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01:21.44kd3o_O;
01:22.33pcjgood thing none of us is operating a DCC file server over IRC
01:22.51pcjtho that would be an interesting way to distribute patch updates
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01:39.47kd3crap. hit the template limit on [[Badge of Justice rewards]]
01:39.57Adystemplate limit?
01:40.03kd3http://www.wowwiki.com/Badge_of_Justice_rewards
01:40.52Adyseh?
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01:49.31Riskyhey is there a page about the new quest links?
01:50.07Risky\124cffffff00\124Hquest:9:15\124h[The Killing Fields]\124h\124r
01:50.11Riskylike that beast
01:52.28Riskyi'm trying to determine what the 9 and 15 mean in there
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02:02.41Riskyhmm i got it
02:03.00Riskythe 9 is the quest id (universal apprantly - same in game and on wowhead)
02:03.05Riskythe 15 is the quest level
02:03.10Riskyneat stuff
02:03.32Riskyi guess I shoulc be nice and make a page about that hehe
02:13.23Riskyenjoy: http://www.wowwiki.com/QuestLink
02:13.31Riskyhttp://www.wowwiki.com/QuestString
02:13.36pcjuh
02:13.39pcjok that's great
02:13.42Riskybrief, but better than nothing :)
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02:16.31Exodus212RAWR
02:18.51Riskymy first two wowwiki pages yay
02:19.05Riskyusually just edits existing pages
02:19.37AdysRisky, thanks alot
02:19.40AdysI needed that :P
02:21.09AdysRisky: Have you read up into guids and creature links?
02:21.43Riskynope
02:21.50Riskyonly cares about quests
02:21.51Risky:)
02:21.52Adysaight
02:22.05Riskyi think i've seen the links in chat though
02:22.13Riskylike you can click in the combat log
02:22.18Adysyeah
02:22.20Adysonly combat log afaik
02:22.24Adysnot chat itself
02:22.39Riskyi'd bet they work in chat too if you can find the format
02:22.48Riskyi don't think they're terribly useful though
02:22.48Adyshmmm
02:23.13Riskyi dunno let me kill something here
02:23.13AdysRisky: Is the quest level a forced positive?
02:23.26Adysas in, can it be wrong and the link will still work
02:24.12Riskyin chat, it has to be right
02:24.25Adyshm
02:24.28Riskyif you do like /script DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("Shift-click this link to put into chat: \124cffffff00\124Hquest:99:15\124h[Arugal's Folly]\124h\124r");
02:24.38Riskythen if its wrong the link will still work when you click it
02:24.40Adysoh ya i see
02:24.45Riskylike, you'll get an accurate tooltip
02:24.57Adysperfect :) thanks
02:25.47Riskyyeah i'm not sure how you'd find the real level from just the id in-game
02:26.01Riskyits not in the tooltip like the title is
02:26.07kd3it's shipped as part of the quest info in your log
02:26.15kd3that's how mods like ctmod can display the quest level in-game
02:26.26Riskybut that's for quests you're actually on
02:26.26Adysyeah kd3 problem is how do you do when you dont have it under the hand
02:26.46Riskyright now from what i know you can actually itterate through every quest in the game using the links
02:27.17Riskybut without the levels you can't chat working links to others (only to yourself as an AddMessage)
02:27.57Riskyactually pretty neat that you can just look at any quest's info in-game if you know the id
02:28.35Adystell me about it
02:28.35Adys:P
02:31.45Riskywell, the UI code doesn't seem to have anything interesting about it
02:32.37Riskyi guess they probably use GameTooltip:SetHyperlink("itemString" or "itemLink")
02:32.45Riskyand just give it a quest link instead
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03:10.13AdysRisky: Looked into spell links?
03:18.49Riskyyeah those links actually seem to be tied to that actual monster
03:18.55Adyseh?
03:19.04Riskylike, the actual instance of the mob
03:19.14AdysIm talking about linking spells
03:19.16Riskyi bet the mob links actually have the guid of that guy in them
03:19.22Riskyyeah, i'm still on mobs hehe
03:19.35Adyskk :P
03:19.38Riskyspells are probably very similar to quests
03:19.46Riskyhere one sec
03:19.53Adysthanks :)
03:21.08Riskyyeah its just spell:spellId
03:21.59Risky|cff71d5ff|Hspell:2481|h[Find Treasure]|h|r
03:22.04Riskyeasy as pie
03:22.08Adysawesome
03:22.38Riskylike /script message(string.gsub("<shift click it here>"\124", "\124\124"))
03:22.54Riskyrather /script message(string.gsub("<shift click it here>", "\124", "\124\124"))
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03:53.25Adys[04:53:04] <+Starnes2> User [[User:Kaydeethree]] used edit summary "^[A-Za-z0-9]{10}$" [[Timolain's Phylactery]] (+422) Diff: http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Timolain%27s_Phylactery&diff=1286107&oldid=1173945&rcid=1269145 "destubbing"
03:53.26Adyswtf ?
03:53.33kd3my thoughts entirely
03:53.39kd3that's twice it's flagged me for no good reason
03:54.04Adysit parses a regex on your edit summary
03:54.10Adysbut what the fuck of a kind of regex is that?
03:54.19kd3alphanumeric <= 10 characters in length
03:54.23Adysyeah
03:54.25Adysbut why?
03:54.59bleeterKirkburn: but but but.. ima vandal!!!
03:55.11bleeterfkn blizz nerfing fkn engineering with undocumented foo
03:55.46bleeter<PROTECTED>
03:55.49Adys:D
03:58.21pcjadys maybe the thought behind it is 1-word edit summaries suck
03:58.30Adys:/
03:58.42pcjnot that i agree with that idea at all
03:58.47pcjbut that's the only thing i could come up with
03:58.51Adysyea
04:07.48Adysboy the progression pages are awfully ugly
04:07.56Adyshttp://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Server:Shattered_Hand_Europe/Guild_Progression man
04:08.16Adyspurplish pink for naxx wtf
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04:21.38KjHi?
04:23.11Kj# Being hit by a physical attack generates rage based on damage taken.
04:23.11Kj# Attacks that are blocked/parried/dodged also generate rage.
04:23.22KjAnyone tell me why in the rage section, it saids phyical only =x
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04:40.17Amarandehmm
04:40.27Amarandeis it possible to gain access to BM with one trip to OHB, or do you have to do multiple runs?
04:40.57AmarandeI can already tell Quel'dorei is a nice friendly server, also
04:41.09AmarandeI didn't get branded a scrub because I tried to go straight to BM and found I couldn't go through the portal
04:58.44pcjit only takes one trip
04:58.54KeolahI don't even know what "BM" and "OHB" stand for.
04:58.56Keolah:)
04:59.55pcjblack morass, old hillsbrad
05:00.03pcjcaverns of time instances
05:01.16Keolahheh
05:02.14Keolahand then I finally got used to people saying "MT" to mean "mana tombs", then wonder why so many people on sunwell island kept asking for groups for "MT" until I realized they meant "magister's terrace' :P
05:02.59KeolahToo many acronyms! :P
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05:50.46Tycan anybody help me out with the combat log event? I have a few questions
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06:15.40kd3ty, if you're still here... www.wowwiki.com/API_COMBAT_LOG_EVENT
06:15.49Adyshes not still here
06:16.00kd3bah, that's what I get for turning off joins/parts
06:16.01Adyspeople who ask for help always go offline in the next 3 mins
06:16.15Adyswhich makes me want to kick anyone asking for help
06:16.20Adysbut im not such a jerk
06:16.23Adysyet
06:20.46kd3huh... kinda surprised. it's been 6 days according to the block log since our friend's last showed up
06:20.46pcjcan anyone help me get kicked
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06:23.54KeolahHelp! I need help! Aaagh! *leaves* :) Kidding.
06:24.19pcjno kidding in #wowwiki
06:24.31KeolahDrat, I'll need to return the young goats then.
06:24.43pcjno puns either
06:25.04Keolahhehe
06:25.09pcjadys, kd3, revert war on http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Server:Aerie_Peak_US/Level_70_raid_Progression&action=history
06:26.42Kj# Being hit by a physical attack generates rage based on damage taken.
06:26.42Kj# Attacks that are blocked/parried/dodged also generate rage.
06:26.47kd3'bout to warn all 3 right now
06:27.06KjThis is in the rage section in wowwiki, i wanted to ask why does it said "Phyiscal" damage only
06:27.09KjSpell gives rage as well.
06:27.28pcjif it's wrong, change it
06:27.31kd3so be bold and fix it
06:27.36KjThats why im asking.
06:27.43pcjGo ahead, it's not a big deal
06:27.49pcjJust change it, be free :)
06:27.58KjThat I didn't know.
06:31.10Keolahjust don't mention that the population of elekks has tripled.
06:31.42AmarandeKeolah: lots of people powerleveling draenei? :)
06:31.50pcjwar elekks
06:31.57kd3lol
06:32.24KjOk i changed
06:32.24Kjlol
06:32.43KjI didn't know WoWwiki could be edit by the public.
06:33.03Kjthanks
06:33.11kd3no prob. welcome to the wiki
06:33.20pcjkj: what would you suggest we could do to make that more obvious
06:33.44Kj=/
06:33.55pcjwe obviously want people to edit
06:34.10KeolahI'd think the "wiki" in the name and the little "edit" buttons all over would do it.
06:34.24Keolah:)
06:34.34pcjjust trying to see if there's anything else we can do
06:34.36kd3not that many people understand what a wiki means... look at wikipedia. they still have the same problem
06:34.39KjWhat if idiots try to abuse that?
06:34.48pcjwe can revert
06:34.53kd3that's what we've got admins for. we're all pretty good at reverting vandals
06:34.57pcjyou can view the page history and go back to any point in time
06:34.58Keolahthe problem with wikipedia is my compulsion to look at talk pages and watch people be idiots.
06:35.04Keolahand argue about stupid things.
06:35.10KjI see
06:35.24Kjlol all i wanted was to clear that little mistake
06:35.25Kj=]
06:35.37pcjok, np
06:36.11KeolahAll I do anymore on wikipedia is revert vandalism :S
06:36.32KeolahI got tired of every page I ever bothered contributing to being deleted for being "non-notable" because somebody hadn't heard of it :p
06:37.42KjSomeone changed it again lol
06:38.33pcjyeah, just removed the physical part to make it "an attack"
06:38.56KjJust to get this in there, any know how "Mob tagging" works, got this hype from the 1 day leveling.
06:39.55AmarandeI still remember reading about how the Great Wall of China could not be seen from space by the naked women :|
06:40.15Amarandeyay for wikipedia vandalism where they apparently tried to go out of their way to make it *not* conspicuous until you stop and go "wha"
06:41.15kd3kj; the first person to do damage to a mob tags it, and only that player (and people in his party/raid) will get credit for killing it
06:41.20kd3experience, loot, quests, etc...
06:42.18KjI see
06:42.57kd3mobs tagged by you will have the usual color (yellow or red) as a background for the name, mobs tagged by others will have a gray background
06:43.15kd3you can still help kill mobs tagged by others but it won't benefit you in any tangible way
06:44.27Amarandealso, tagging seems to be a tad buggy
06:44.34AmarandeI *believe* it's supposed to reset when the mob resets
06:44.52Amarandebut I've seen at least a couple mobs remain tagged even though there was no one else in the area besides me at the time
06:45.03kd3it does. mobs will often still show up with the gray bar, but if they're reset and not actively attacking anybody, you can attack the mob and get the tag
06:45.31kd3happened to me a good bit today, oddly enough
06:45.51Amarandeahh, things to love about wikipedia: pages that are completely littered with "[citation needed]"
06:46.25Keolahworse than vandalism, imho.
06:46.37KeolahIt's extremely distracting, and very often pointless. ;p
06:46.56KeolahIt's like they aren't happy unless every sentence has 5 footnotes after it.
06:48.40Keolah"The sky is blue. [citation needed]" "Gasp, you can't say that! That's original research!" "What if it's cloudy or nighttime?" "Everyone knows the sky isn't really blue, it's just an optical illusion created by the refraction of the sun's light." "To be more specific, we should call it 'azure'."
06:51.31Amarande"About 80-90% of the human genome has been designated as "junk""
06:51.38AmarandePerhaps it's more like 100% for the DNA of some of those people.
06:52.29Keolahhehe
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07:26.27Adyslaurly!
07:26.32laurlyadys!!
07:26.33Adysupdated OpenWDB page
07:26.59Adyshttp://www.wowwiki.com/OpenWDB
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07:33.08laurlywonders off to read it while doing endless dailys
07:36.37Adys:D
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07:47.08laurlyany word on if wikia wants to do this or not?
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09:51.15Fisker-Adys
09:51.17Fisker-google fails
09:54.15Adysso what?
10:06.04Fisker-ah lol
10:06.08Fisker-it appears to only be us
10:06.11Fisker-http://www.google.dk/
10:06.47AdysYeah
10:06.51AdysEarth Day
10:06.59Adysit's in a couple of other countries too
10:07.37Fisker-do not want
10:08.03Adysdo not get then
10:08.04Adyshttp://www.google.com/ncr
10:09.21Fisker-luckily it's only temporary :)
10:09.43Adysi kinda prefer the black layout actually
10:09.46Adysbut meh, blackle ftw
10:11.01AdysAccount Status: FROZEN - Game Time Expires: 23 March 08 02:59 CET
10:11.02Adysaw
10:11.15AdysNo more play
10:11.54Fisker-ownt
10:12.00Adysus account tbh
10:12.08Adyseu sux.
10:12.45AdysAccount Created: 11 February 05 11:09 CET
10:13.06Fisker-no u
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10:48.32Adys[11:33:44] <+Starnes2> User [[User:Gourra]] create containing watch word "adg" [[Crusader's Ornamented Headguard]] (+82) URL: http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Crusader%27s_Ornamented_Headguard&rcid=1269551 "Tagging for Foxbot"
10:48.34Adyswtf?
10:54.10Gourrayeah I know, stupid bot
10:57.42laurlyhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Amani_Crocolisk
10:58.15laurlythat bots going to have real issues when i start processing npc's
10:58.43Gourrait already have/had an issue..it forgot adding the rewards to {{questbox}}
11:00.30laurlyit didnt forget. it was never taught to do that :)
11:04.14GourraI see..well the rewards will have to be added now to fix the mess
11:08.12laurlywould you rather have had to enter all 300 quests manualy?
11:08.23laurlyif you like i could stop and you can do all the npc's manualy as well :)  ppl need to do something besides every page has to be checked for errors.  
11:08.36laurlytheres like 1200 npcs that have to be done :)
11:12.04laurlyand i wouldnt exactly call it a mess.
11:21.30laurlyping adys
11:22.39Pac2722dam this my mods wont upgrade
11:35.59laurlyhmm wonder if i should put a date as to when the drop stuff was generated last.
11:36.14KirkburnAdys, 10 char edit summaries is often used by bots
11:36.36KirkburnIt's not a stupid bot, it's looking out for tactics used by spammers
11:38.16KirkburnIf we has anon edits on, you'd notice it much more
11:38.23Kirkburn(that's not a threat)
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11:44.32KvazisHello
11:44.52KirkburnWelcome!
11:44.55KvazisThx)
11:45.37KvazisHave anyone from europe some wow conection problems?
11:47.24KirkburnI haven't tried this morning
11:47.28KirkburnHave you checked the forums?
11:47.49KvazisI see nothing there...
11:48.08KvazisI receiving "unable to connect" message last 2 hours=(
11:48.14KirkburnOuch
11:48.26KirkburnNo changes on the PC?
11:48.32GourraKvazis: I have no problems here
11:48.58Kirkburn(I didn't even notice, but I have a Wikia cloak now :D )
11:49.21KirkburnKvazis, problem only with WoW? Tried any other net games?
11:49.36KvazisOnly with wow
11:49.50Kvazisi cant ping login server((
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11:52.27KirkburnKvazis, weird
11:52.52KirkburnI don't really have any suggestions, apart from post on the forums
11:53.08KirkburnThat you can't even ping the login server suggests an ISP problem to me
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11:58.13foxlitKirk, did he just have a connection issue with EU wow servers?
11:58.37Kirkburnyes?
11:58.47KirkburnOh, you only just joined ... yeah, he did
12:00.06foxlitTelia Sonera / Cogent split
12:00.18foxlitIt was in status messages for ages
12:03.03KirkburnAh yeah, I remember hearing of it
12:03.23laurlywonders off to play wow insted of generating NPC's
12:03.33Kirkburnfoxlit, why you not on #cvn-wikia-wowwiki ? :)
12:03.37Kirkburnlaurly, have fun
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12:15.34foxlit~seen Mikk
12:15.36infobotmikk <n=Administ@WoWUIDev/mikk> was last seen on IRC in channel #norganna, 17d 10h 11m 24s ago, saying: 'Like how much you have in different main categories, and how much $'.
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12:20.41KirkburnMikk visited here? I need to talk to him anyway
12:22.39Kirkburncrap, spam blocked
12:26.51foxlitSo turns out they didn't move Kazaak
12:26.55KirkburnFirst addition to http://www.wowwiki.com/MediaWiki:Spam-whitelist :O
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13:00.54Kirkburnhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Don%27t_stuff_beans_up_your_nose :)
13:19.47Adyspong laurly
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13:22.26KirochiKenavo
13:24.01Adyslaurly: Going to bed, sorry :P
13:30.00Gourrahttp://www.wowwiki.com/Antique_Silver_Cufflinks does the sell price show as "11money..." for anyone else?
13:31.44Kirkburnhttp://www.neatorama.com/2008/03/28/smug-barbecue/ and http://www.neatorama.com/2008/03/25/angry-barbecue/ :D
13:32.03KirkburnGourra, that'll happen when images don't load
13:32.09KirkburnRefresh fixes it
13:32.18GourraI've reloaded the page 5 times
13:32.30KirkburnWorking here ...
13:32.52KirkburnFull refresh?
13:33.03KirkburnPlus we do need to fix the alt text on them
13:33.09Gourraodd, works now
13:33.21KirkburnHaving them all have alt text of "money" is silly
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13:50.11KirkburnThis is awesome - http://gizmodo.com/372272/video-of-bigdog-beta-quadruped-robot-is-so-stupid-its-hilarious?autoplay=true
13:50.17Kirochijor adys va se coucher
13:51.09pcjje m'en fous
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13:58.23Kirochibouffe ma touffe enfoiré
13:59.00Kirochihaha how delightful it is to know a language you don't
13:59.42Adysjsuis pas couche
13:59.45Adysje peux traduire
14:11.17Kirochiosef, il comprend sans doute mieux que toi quand je l'insulte lui, dans n'importe quelle langue :D
14:11.58Kirochihttp://www.wowwiki.com/User:DYBoulet <= Haha
14:12.13KirochiI'm laffing my ass off right now
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14:39.48Yukinonany thoughts on when S4 debutes?
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14:43.40KirochiS4 ??
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15:21.29Kirochihey, I assume M'uru's still not been brought down?
15:22.00KirkburnDo you see why the Daily Mail has such a reputation in the UK? http://www.britishgaming.co.uk/?p=318
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15:32.03KirkburnIf you ignored all my other links, no matter ... but you seriously have got to see this one: http://www.badastronomy.com/bablog/2008/03/28/creationism-thats-a-rap/
15:46.49laurlyeah
15:50.04KirkburnIt's such an awesome video :P
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15:58.39Kirkburnfoxlit, you know your bot is counting edit counts wrong?
15:58.55KirkburnI have 500? http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=User:Kirkburn&curid=38540&diff=1286643&oldid=1284324
15:59.15foxlitGrats!
16:00.57KirkburnThe wiki now self-counts edit counts
16:01.12KirkburnI don't know whether you are able to access the info via an API though
16:01.20KirkburnFrom my profile - Number of edits:23,825
16:01.48KirkburnThere is an editcount extension on the wiki, but currently disabled
16:02.28KirkburnIt might be http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:EditCount
16:02.43KirkburnAssuming it's reenabled, we might be able to do away with the bot
16:03.25foxlit!ping
16:04.23PhotoJim!pong
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16:26.27Dotted!pang
16:30.27PhotoJimif you log into IRC via telnet, "pong" is the reply that your client makes to the server when it pings you.  Via telnet you actually have to type "pong" and then the verification number supplied. :)
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16:33.56laurlythis new bombing quest sucks!
16:35.51laurlyits a total utter and complete waste of time!
16:44.01foxlitonly if you suck :)
16:47.40PhotoJimthis is what the "Decline" button is for :)
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16:50.04KirochiI am so wasted
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16:57.23Kirochianyone works at wowinsider here?
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17:06.49DottedKirochi i hope not, because then im gonna smack there head :(
17:07.17Kirochishoo
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17:36.39KeolahI despise the new combat log.
17:36.56AmarandeHeya Keolah :)
17:36.59AmarandeWhat's wrong with the combat log?
17:37.13KeolahIt has an option to display the actions of friendly players, but not just _party members_.
17:37.21AmarandeBesides that every non-updated addon that used it is broken now :S
17:37.21AmarandeAhh.
17:37.40AmarandeI rarely actually refer to the raw combat log itself ... even though I use plenty of addons that draw from it
17:37.40KeolahAnd every time I log in a character, it seems to have the friendly characters option ON in spite of the fact that I Turned it off, and have to click settings, see that it's still off, and close that, and then the extra messages dissappear.
17:37.49KeolahI don't use addons.
17:38.04AmarandeNot even FuBar or Omen?
17:38.08KeolahNot a single one.
17:38.34AmarandeGuess it's ok as long as you don't instance much, but then, I know you don't instance much :)
17:38.35KeolahThe only times I've generally used addons for games is when the existing interface was very clearly inadequate, such as Urban Dead... ;p
17:38.47KeolahI once failed to do Ragefire Chasm? :)
17:39.03KeolahWe only wiped around 12 times before saying "hell with this" :P
17:39.33AmarandeI don't really refer to Omen much (even though Omen for 2.4 seems to insist on being on my screen and doesn't have the FuBar configgle menu like the old Omen did ...) but I run it as a courtesy to people who depend on threat meters
17:40.49AmarandeBut I can't imagine playing without FuBar and LocationFu, even if I ran nothing else
17:40.59KeolahI don't even knwo what those do :)
17:41.41AmarandeKeolah: FuBar provides you with bars, by default at the top and bottom of your screen that other addons can hook into, which has two useful purposes in particular
17:42.05Amarandeone, if you ever try using any addons you'll note that most of them try to clutter your minimap circle with a configgle button, addons that know about FuBar will put that on the bar instead
17:42.15KeolahBars? I don't need to order alcohol while playing WoW :)
17:42.29Amarandetwo, a lot of addons (particularly ones with Fu in the name) are designed specifically to work with FuBar, and will put at a glance info on the bar
17:44.57Amarandefor instance:
17:44.58Amarandehttp://www.lunasanguine.com/gallery2/d/1107-1/WoWScrnShot_022208_150757.jpg
17:45.03KeolahSo uh, an addon to make other addons nicer. :P I don't see how that's useful if you don't use addons.
17:45.18Amarandethat's the UI I used in 2.3 (I have a few things less in 2.4, since things weren't updated and didn't work in their old versions)
17:46.08AmarandeYou'll see the FuBar makes for a lot cleaner an interface
17:46.25KeolahCan't look at links right now :P
17:46.34KeolahWoW does not get along with my web browsers and I only have like 5 million more dailies to do :p
17:46.39AmarandeAhh.
17:46.40Keolahbrowser that is.
17:46.55AmarandeAnyway, as a description, there are two dark strips at the top and bottom of the screen.
17:48.03KeolahI've generally found WoW's interface to be amazingly good for a game. ;p
17:48.20KeolahI played urban Dead, which doesn't even by default tell you how much more you can carry or how much ammo you have... eesh.
17:48.39KeolahI guess they expect people to _count_ how many pistol clips they're carrying. :p
17:49.40DottedAmarande you dont have to run Omen to broadcast threat
17:49.46Amarandeand anyway, the addons I have that hook into FuBar that give information do a lot of nice things and cram them into those bars. :)
17:50.09AmarandeFor instance, I have ExperienceFu and FactionsFu, which replace having to find a good spot on my screen for an experience and rep bar.
17:50.17Dottedjust install Threat-2.0 and it broadcasts without crappying your UI :P
17:50.20AmarandeOr MoneyFu, which tells me at all times how much I've got. :)
17:50.38AmarandeGuildFu, which tells me if I actually even have any guildies on right now or if I'm just gchatting into thin air :)
17:50.51KeolahMore useful would be to tell me how much money I have between 10 alts... :P
17:50.58AmarandeKeolah: MoneyFu does that too
17:51.00laurlydpsfu is that working yet?
17:51.07Dottedoh man so long time ago since i have used fubar
17:51.11Amarandemouse over your money, and it will tell you who has how much
17:51.25laurlyyeah moneyfu is good shows you how much you have on alts and everthing
17:51.38laurlybut ify ou send money from one alt toanother it tends to get confused
17:52.04Amarandethen there's GarbageFu which is basically an enhanced form of BagFu
17:52.15AmarandeBagFu was an addon that told you at a glance how much bag space you had free
17:52.46AmarandeGarbageFu does the same and also adds a button to one-click sell all your greys when you're at a vendor
17:53.10AmarandeBefore I got GarbageFu, I would always spend an extra couple minutes trying to make sure I'd sold all my trash, and I'd always find I missed something.
17:53.28Dottedi use C ombuctor for that
17:53.32Dotted*Combuctor
17:53.53Dottedclick show-greys-only and right click away
17:53.55KeolahI generally just hit the b button. I'm pedantic enough to sort every item I get as I get it, which annoys the piss out of my bf ;p
17:54.11Dottedlol
17:54.17AmarandeBut most useful is LocationFu, nothing like not only at a glance coordinates but also being able to mouse over and see at a glance what zones I should be in for my level. So I don't have to memorize things.
17:54.33AmarandeLike whether Azshara is level 45-55 or 40-50. (I actually did try to go to Azshara at 40 once ... *gulp*)
17:54.37KeolahI hate coordinates... and I _have_ memorized every level.
17:55.09Amarandehmm, what else do I have that you might particularly love
17:55.10AmarandeDurabilityFu
17:55.11Keolah45-55 for alliance, 50-55 for horde. And there's only even two freaking quests for alliance to do at 45... and generally I just avoid the place in general because I hate the layout and the annoying cliffs.. and wandering elites.
17:55.50AmarandeDurabilityFu tells you about how worn out your gear is, so you don't red out without warning, and it auto-repairs when you visit a vendor who can :)
17:55.57Dottedtbh StatsBlock > Fubar
17:56.31AmarandeNetStatsFu, which lets me know right away if I'm laggy instead of me dying and then mousing over the net stats button and saying "oh."
17:56.39KeolahBut the game itself already does warn you before it goes red :p
17:56.59Dottedthen you arent limited to the bars on fubar, but can place each induvidual stats block anyware on the screen
17:57.30Amarandeyeah, but I tend to find that keeping at a glance stats at the top and bottom keeps them out of the way
17:57.44AmarandeI'm trying QuestsFu right now, but I'm starting to think I might go back to nQuestLog
17:58.03AmarandeBoth have little irritating cosmetic niggles.
17:58.13Dottedtried DoubleWide with LightHeaded?
17:58.21Dottedthat owns everything out there
17:58.51AmarandeQuestsFu uses far too narrow a space for the quests and tends to wrap in an extremely ugly fashion, also you can't hide the tracker the way nQL lets you, you either -display- the QuestsFu tracker, or you let the Blizzard one take over
17:59.26AmarandenQuestLog does almost everything right except its FuBar hook seems to be glitchy, specifically it never updates the number of done quests on the bar until you either turn something in, relog, /reloadui or manually unclick then reclick 'show text'
18:00.08foxlitOh wow
18:00.20foxlitKW is awesome! :)
18:00.43AmarandeThen there is ToFu, which keeps track of how long it took to take a particular flight and will give you a countdown "are we there yet?" timer if you've taken a particular flight before
18:01.16Dottedbtw Amarande who are you talking to?
18:01.31AmarandeDotted, I'm trying to convince Keolah of the awesomeness of addons. :)
18:01.38Dottedah
18:01.47Dottedwell fubar is crap anyways :P
18:02.25Amarandethere's one thing in particular though that I think Blizzard was smoking something when they designed it, though
18:02.36KeolahIt sounds more like people were extremely bored and added lots of unnecessary crap ;)
18:02.37Amarandehow the hell they thought anyone would be able to do with a single action bar on screen at once, I don't know
18:02.48AmarandeIf *nothing* else, I would still have to have my Bartender3
18:02.54KeolahI've an idea for an addon.
18:03.04KeolahA reminder to tip the mage for opening a portal for you :P
18:03.12Keolah*smirk*
18:03.18Dottedamarande uhm have you tried to look at your interface options?
18:03.21Amarandeheh, I've only had a mage open a portal for me once
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18:03.33Amarandeand that was part of a package deal with another thing I had asked him to do
18:03.54Amarandewell, other than times when we're done with an instance and the mage opens a portal to shatt as a matter of course
18:04.17Amarande(at least before I pointed out that there is, in fact, a back exit from Mech, heh)
18:04.25KeolahMy bf gets this a lot.. a 70 asks for a portal somewhere, and then just goes through without even so much as a "thank you".
18:04.39Amarandepeople are used to just taking, I guess
18:04.46Amarandeespecially teenagers, who probably play WoW the most :S
18:05.23AmarandeThe time I got a portal was when I was getting my Elixirs of Shadow Power made for my Dreadsteed. The alchemist was a mage and asked me if I wanted a portal to Shatt in the deal.
18:05.45AmarandeMade me especially glad to go to trade and LF Alch
18:05.52Keolahhehe
18:05.55AmarandeI was originally just going to buy them from AH
18:06.13Amarandebut I could get six ghost mushrooms for a bit less, IIRC, than just one of the elixirs was priced for
18:06.36Amarandethough that's the ez part of dreadsteed anyway
18:06.49Amarandethe hard part is convincing people that Scholomance and Dire Maul are where you want to go
18:06.52Keolahheh
18:06.56Amarandewhich involves something on the lines of jedi mind tricks
18:07.01Keolahyes, friend of mine was saying how he got his epic charger recently...
18:07.06Keolahand his group consisted of... five pallies.
18:07.23Amarandeall of whom had been spending weeks trying to get their epic charger? :)
18:07.28KeolahProbably.
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18:08.42Amarandeapparently, a chance at Ace of Portals if they go all the way thru is not enough to convince most people to go
18:08.48KeolahI just said "screw it" myself and bought a ram :p
18:09.08AmarandeI'm trying to remember how early in the Paladin mount process you have to go to instances
18:09.12KeolahI like the ram better anyway.
18:09.18Amarandewith the warlock, you don't go until you've already spent hundreds of gold on mats :S
18:09.31KeolahI was smart enough to look up what the questline wouold entail before spending anything.
18:09.44Dottedjust get winterspring mount :P
18:09.46AmarandeI knew what I was getting into, but I didn't think it would be quite that hard to get groups
18:09.55KeolahAnd figured it would be cheaper and a lot less work to just buy an epic mount.
18:10.16AmarandeOn the good side I was able to farm out Crusader and enough runecloth to get my tailor alt to 300 in the time it took to wait
18:10.21Amarandeand apparently, EXACTLY enough runecloth
18:10.24Amarandeso maybe it was a good thing :S
18:10.27KeolahDotted - I don't think my dorf pally would look good on a purple cat.
18:10.34Dotted:D
18:10.39Dottedwell pally
18:10.48Dottedpurple is pretty fitting imo
18:10.50Dotted;)
18:10.52AmarandeThe worst thing was the large brilliant shards, which irritated me to no end
18:10.54AmarandeI have an enchanter.
18:10.59AmarandeI should be able to DE large brilliant shards.
18:11.13AmarandeGuess why I don't DE large brilliant shards?
18:12.03KeolahYou're not bright enough? :)
18:12.17AmarandeKeolah: Because there's only one good reliable source of blues that DE into LBS. :|
18:12.23Keolahhehe
18:12.29AmarandeWhich would happen to be those instances that no one goes to anymore. :P
18:12.56Amarande... which are really surprisingly hard instances
18:13.06KeolahWhy are manaberries purple but the bushes have red berries on them?
18:13.19Amarandebefore I transferred Alvaerin, I thought I'd farm out some righteous orbs to send to Amarelya to do crusader with
18:13.20KeolahOh, right' they're _magic_.
18:13.27Amarandenow, we're talking a 70 affliction lock in blues here
18:13.43AmarandeI couldn't even get to the part of Stratholme where the crimson guys are ...
18:13.44KeolahWait till WotLK comes out and do it at level 80? :)
18:17.27kd3WTFs at the ad on the front page
18:17.33kd3"Best honeymoon beaches in the US." !?
18:18.42Amarandeheh
18:18.59Amarandeshould advertise all those crappy beaches in New York with all the crushed beer cans, discarded drug paraphernalia etc. on them
18:19.37Amarandewhat can I say, marriage is always a subject I'm a bit acerbic about LOL
18:19.59AmarandeStill remember the time some of my coworkers were gathered around a table on lunch and were talking about engravings for a wedding ring. Guess what I suggested? :)
18:20.19Keolah"One Ring to rule them all", etc? :p
18:20.28AmarandeKeolah, how did you read my mind :)
18:20.40Keolahhehe
18:20.47KeolahGreat dorks think alike? ;)
18:22.25AmarandeI guess it overall comes from being generally an easy to like person, I've *had* relationships get started, and then they always kinda fizzle.
18:22.43AmarandeNot epic fail, mind you. I tend to get along quite well with women who I've been involved with in the past. But they fizzle into something I wasn't really looking for.
18:24.50AmarandeI suppose that's probably life, though :S
18:25.05Keolahconsiders herself lucky. ;p
18:25.27KeolahAll my failed relationships were with people over the internet. ;p
18:25.37AmarandeYeah, I've started to wonder, how do people manage to find the right ones for them LOL
18:25.50AmarandeIt always reminds me of those magnetic marbles I had as a kid
18:25.51KeolahI met my right one in a zombie apocalypse online game? :)
18:26.05AmarandeYou shake up the box, and some of the marbles stick together at basically random
18:26.13Amarandethere seems no more logic to it in life, either
18:26.25KeolahThen we uh, roleplayed for two years before we realized, hey, we really like each other :P
18:26.39AmarandeYeah, I have a tendency to not give things enough time. :)
18:26.59AmarandeHell, one gets trained to think if you've known someone that long, then if you were going to be romantic it would have happened by then :P
18:27.04KeolahSince after my _last_ relationship, I was trying _not_ to get into another one...
18:27.46KeolahAnd now I'm planning on moving in with him sometime this summer...
18:29.06AmarandeThat too probably. I have too much tendency to try to get into a relationship. :)
18:29.21AmarandeWhat can I say. I tend to think the people I know who are in relationships are happier than those of us who are single, ergo, it is inherently better to be in one ...
18:29.44KeolahI had a very fulfilling relationship with my hand for several years.
18:31.27pcjwhat happened?
18:32.12KeolahThe trouble is that if you tie yourself up, it's very difficult to whip yourself, and untie yourself afterward.
18:34.00Kirochikeolah
18:34.05Kirochiyou hand rapist
18:34.14AmarandeMeh. That's like saying soloing is more fun in WoW.
18:34.58AmarandeThen again, I suppose a bad relationship is worse than going alone :)
18:34.59KeolahI tend to prefer just two people. More gets confused and you're not sure who's doing what, and I only have three... uh, nevermind.
18:35.24pcjyou forgot the ears keolah
18:35.48Amarandegood lord, is it 2:35 already?
18:35.56KeolahNo, it's only 11:35.
18:35.58Keolah:)
18:35.59Amarandeyay, watch me forget what time it is and proceed to forget to go to work
18:38.00AmarandeSeriously, if I didn't have timestamps, I would have proceeded to absently not even remember to go :|
18:38.38Amarandeanyway. later folks :)
18:38.43KirochiThere was once a man from Nantucket
18:38.57KirochiWhose dick was so long he could suck it
18:39.29KirochiWhile wiping his chin,
18:39.35KirochiHe said with a grin,
18:39.40Kirochi"If my ear were a cunt, I could fuck it."
18:41.34Keolah...
18:41.55MapMangod damn you blizzard. Waiting for their reply - pain in the ass
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19:15.57laurlyhavent heard that in years Kirochi
19:30.54winkillerwtf, hunters are weird
19:31.04winkillerI used up 2k arrows in the last 2 days
19:33.21laurlywhy is that weird?
19:35.38winkillernever played hunter
19:36.27winkillerbut levelling is a joke
19:36.33winkiller49-55 since thursday
19:36.47Kirochilaurly> dirty limericks are a way of life
19:36.58laurlyso true
19:37.23Kirochiwinkiller must be chinese
19:37.38Kirochino sane being would ever spend that much arrows
19:37.41laurlyim off to spec tank i pitty anyone in group with me
19:39.40winkillergl :)
19:39.53winkillerfor what, laurly?
19:40.29laurlyso i can tank the new instance.  my war cant get a group MS spec
19:44.20Kirochihaha
19:44.33Kirochiyou'll have a rough time with that bitch of a priestess
19:44.37Kirochifive on five
19:44.51winkillernonheroic isn't so hard
19:46.44Deaconjust watched a pally solo the last 18% of Kael on normal MT
19:46.54Deaconfigures i released thinking it was a wioe
19:47.51winkilleryeah, KT p2 is cake
19:48.00winkillermy druid nearly made it from 30$
19:48.05winkillerdied at 10 or so
19:48.23winkillerHoT, swim, shred - repeat :P
19:48.50Deaconand of course the tank cloak dropped.
19:48.54Kirochiwioe ?
19:49.02Deaconwipe.
19:49.25Kirochihaha how bad you must've felt
19:49.32Kirochidid he rez you?
19:49.55Deaconsame run two jewelcrafting patterns dropped.  600 gold or so each on my server.  good times.
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20:22.12Gourra<Deacon> just watched a pally solo the last 18% of Kael on normal MT
20:22.16Gourrasounds like my paladin.
20:22.35Gourraonly it was 23%
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20:52.47Kirkburn|afkkirkby, admins aren't even supposed to be able to ban IPs for longer than a year
20:53.36Kirkburn|afkarf, wrong channel :P
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21:21.56Fisker-OWNED Kirkburn|afk
21:22.04Fisker-now i know SEKRITS
21:27.02sacaraschmmm
21:27.12sacarascLeotheras is rather hard
21:29.31sacarascwiped twice at 1% on him now
21:30.17Fisker-ez
21:30.28Fisker-taking him to 15% while he is in demon?
21:39.17sacarascnope, he gets back to elfy form
21:45.10KeolahI am so lazy
21:45.12sacarasci suck anyway, have very crap gear :D
21:45.18KeolahI just used a hearthstone to go to the other side of Shattrath.
21:45.58sacarascheh
21:46.03sacarasci've done worse
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21:47.14sacarascaldor bank up to aldor rise for repairs
21:48.03winkillerleo sucks
21:48.08winkillerI hate that fight
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22:08.24sacarascI just think I suck ;(
22:09.57sacarascyeah, I suck
22:13.28Kirkburn|afkSomething we'll need to look at soon(ish), foxlit, kd3, Adys, pcj, others ... is http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Migration_to_the_new_preprocessor ... and whether it will give it problems
22:13.51sacarascwe beated him! :D
22:13.54pcjgreat, i'm the only non-admin in that list
22:14.03pcjsubscribes to a witness protection program
22:14.04Kirkburn|afkBut a template editor :P
22:14.43pcjwell it definitely needs it
22:15.25pcj"{{!}} no longer works as template delimiter in Parserfunctions." ew
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22:17.29Kirkburn|afkIt says it was never neccessary, apparently
22:17.43Kirkburn|afkWe need to start dealing with this stuff soon if it affects us, tbh
22:18.52laurlywoot not on the list.  pwned pcj
22:19.38Kirkburn|afk"others" :)
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22:19.50laurlyim to cute to be an "other"
22:20.34pcjdefinitely
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22:22.55Kirkburn|afkSpeeds up page creation though, test case is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ParserDiffTest/United_States?timing=1
22:23.17Kirkburn|afkGoes from 18 to 10 seconds
22:25.23pcjHmm, so is that in the latest mediawiki distribution or something they just changed for Wikimedia servers
22:25.40Kirkburn|afkThat's in 1.12 final
22:25.56Kirkburn|afkWe're on 1.12 alpha remember
22:26.02pcjYes, I know
22:26.47Kirkburn|afkThat's the big change from now to final
22:26.55Kirkburn|afkThere may be some others, but I'm not sure of them
22:27.13Kirkburn|afk1.12 final only got released on 20th March
22:28.40Fisker-n00bs
22:28.49pcjhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:!
22:28.53pcjor more precisely, http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?offset=&limit=100&target=Template%3A%21&title=Special%3AWhatlinkshere&namespace=10
22:32.02Kirkburn|afkFun, innit
22:32.21Kirkburn|afkProbably a few of them could already be "fixed" anyway
22:32.50laurlypcj http://www.wowwiki.com/Amani_Crocolisk
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22:53.35kd3oh laurly... why is the bot calling templates with ":Template:<foo>"?
22:53.49laurlyeah?
22:53.55kd3http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Amani_Crocolisk/data&action=edit
22:54.17laurlyits what the old bot did i just copyied it
22:55.34laurlywill remove :Template: tomrrow :)
22:56.58laurlyi have it showing i think the first 15 drops. figured that was enough. can always change it later. as all the data pages will be rerun
22:57.31laurlycan we tweak the zone map to show instance maps so we can put loc's on them?
22:58.18laurlyi bet the sunfury blood elfs regret getting those attack plans.
22:58.50kd3got lucky today... mine dropped on the first kill
22:59.34laurlywas ok today think it took 5 min on my priest 10 on lock and like 3 kills on war.
22:59.45laurlytook ages yesterday on my priest
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23:13.10Fisker-kd3
23:13.11Fisker-I MADE MONEYS
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23:14.54Sky2042Kirkburn|afk: save the penguins?....
23:15.46Kirkburn|afkyeah, what of it :P
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23:16.43pcjLaurly: did your bot generate that general section text all on its own?
23:17.01laurlywhich part?
23:17.09pcjGeneral
23:17.17laurlyoh no genral came from what was in the page before hand.
23:17.24laurlyi just reposted it.
23:17.54pcjok
23:17.59pcjdoes the bot do that?
23:19.21laurlynope person has to do it.
23:19.30laurlybut i might be able to get the bot to grab some text from the page.
23:19.43laurlyim playing iwth an idea of how to get a picture out if there was one.
23:19.54pcjdid you figure out keeping existing pictures on a page then
23:20.06laurlynopes
23:20.16pcjgawd
23:20.17laurlyi can try but i dont think it will be perfect.
23:20.31pcji'm sure anything you do will be amazing
23:21.04laurlyhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Blindlight_Oracle
23:21.09laurlytake that for example.
23:21.25laurlypage has an npc box do we assume its corect.  
23:21.37laurlycould pop the loot box just before the External links.  
23:21.42pcjHmm, can you assume it's correct field by field?
23:21.52laurlyprobably.
23:22.07pcjBecause I think maybe level, reaction, location could be checked
23:22.14pcjRace, obviously not since the bot doesn't handle it very well
23:22.30laurlyif its a hunter pet she can get race other then that she cant.
23:22.43pcjsure
23:23.30laurlyfirst run i will deal with all the empty pages. second go we can try and set up some kinda check to replace only what we want.
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23:24.45laurlybtw. if we can add levels for quests. cant we do the same for mobs?
23:25.24laurlybot is useing npcbox on all since there was a note on mobbox saying it was being depreciated.
23:26.16laurlyany way off to bed night
23:26.20pcjyeah mobbox is just a wrapper around npcbox
23:26.31pcjor i could just forget answering your questions
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