| 00:01.06 | Amarande | well, why would the site render better on IE than FF, then? :S |
| 00:02.16 | Adys | site renders perfect in firefox |
| 00:02.20 | Adys | what are you guys on about |
| 00:02.51 | Keolah | I haven't noticed any problems with firefox... |
| 00:03.40 | Amarande | foxlit says it renders best on IE |
| 00:04.07 | pcj | foxlit says lots of things |
| 00:04.11 | pcj | and you believe him? |
| 00:04.26 | Keolah | Two plus two is five. |
| 00:06.14 | Amarande | heh, Keolah, I'd believe that sooner than foxlit's talk :) |
| 00:06.35 | Amarande | after all, it's pretty easy to even force a computer to say that 2+2=5, and I don't mean by just typing it out :) |
| 00:06.40 | Keolah | hehe |
| 00:06.56 | Amarande | just have a spreadsheet where the cells are set up to show at zero decimal places, add 2.4+2.4 :) |
| 00:07.19 | Amarande | (which, I guess, are sufficiently large values of 2, lol) |
| 00:07.40 | pcj | you can also divide by zero that way too |
| 00:08.41 | Keolah | Also, why do some pages seem to go overboard on boxes? :p |
| 00:08.41 | Amarande | heh, I once had it worked out that 0 * infinity = n for all n |
| 00:08.55 | Amarande | Keolah: no misloaded images? |
| 00:08.58 | Keolah | no no |
| 00:09.06 | Keolah | boxes like here: |
| 00:09.07 | Keolah | http://www.wowwiki.com/Lord_Skwol |
| 00:09.13 | Amarande | I had problems with wowwiki the other day, but that's because problems with DNS caused images to not load properly |
| 00:09.17 | Keolah | they take up half the page :p |
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| 00:10.00 | Amarande | agh, Keolah |
| 00:10.04 | Amarande | thanks for crashing my mirc :S |
| 00:10.14 | Keolah | What? :p |
| 00:10.35 | Amarande | when I d-clicked I got "mIRC has stopped working" |
| 00:10.36 | Adys | MIRC SUCKS |
| 00:10.36 | Amarande | anyway, I think the problem with that particular page |
| 00:10.36 | pcj | keolah: there was a VP discussion about that |
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| 00:10.40 | Adys | how is that not clear |
| 00:10.42 | Amarande | is that the content is not long enough to support the boxes |
| 00:11.09 | Amarande | I don't think you can fix Lord Skwol's page so it's not ugly in some way shape or form |
| 00:11.15 | Keolah | well |
| 00:11.29 | Amarande | there just isn't enough on the page to position boxes of that size elegantly, and the boxes have to be that big to carry the content |
| 00:11.34 | Keolah | if the navboxes are really, absolutely necessary, couldn't they as easily be displayed in a horizontal form at the bottom of the page? ;p |
| 00:12.05 | Amarande | ahh, and proof that YES YOU DO NEED A THREAT METER IN WOW |
| 00:12.07 | Amarande | "Sunder Armor - Uses stackable Sunder Armor on the main tank. Decreases armor by 1000." |
| 00:12.15 | pcj | keolah http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Village_pump#New_instance_boss_navigation.21 |
| 00:12.30 | Amarande | You need a threat meter for bosses like that, so you can keep the tanks in the right relative threat range so they can rotate |
| 00:13.02 | Amarande | unless you plan to somehow manage to meticulously keep track of each other's threat by mind in a real-time, raid-length boss battle |
| 00:13.32 | Amarande | though I'm sure sooner or later we'll end up with a raid boss that plays out something like Satan from Digital Devil Saga 2 and requires that kind of micromanagement by head anyway :) |
| 00:13.47 | Keolah | Now, if you'll excuse me, I have jellybeans to eat and headcrabs to shoot. |
| 00:13.54 | Keolah | :) |
| 00:13.54 | Amarande | later Keolah :) |
| 00:14.10 | Amarande | I think I still have talbuks to tag |
| 00:14.34 | Amarande | (speaking of which, that quest is definitely best done by only tagging the females and just killing the males) |
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| 00:18.54 | Sandwichman2448 | Hello everybody. |
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| 00:24.41 | Amarande | Say, are there any areas I really have to worry about avoiding when on a flying mount with enough altitude? |
| 00:24.46 | Amarande | other than Alliance camps? |
| 00:25.41 | kd3 | don't get too close to kazzak or doomwalker. that's more or less it |
| 00:27.28 | Amarande | also, what's it mean if you fly higher and higher and your windrider starts growling? |
| 00:27.53 | Kirkburn | Means you hit the ceiling |
| 00:28.10 | Kirkburn | There's a height limit |
| 00:28.51 | Kirkburn | Afaik it's not flat though, but slopes upwards towards the Netherstorm |
| 00:29.30 | Sandwichman2448 | Doomwalker can not kill things that are flying higher that it is tall I think. |
| 00:32.53 | Amarande | Unless you've already been killed by it and have the hors-de-combat debuff |
| 00:33.34 | Amarande | apparently most of the QQing about needing spirit rez while flying near doomwalker has been people who killed it, tried to get their corpse and book out on their flyers |
| 00:33.40 | Amarande | er, got killed by it |
| 00:33.44 | Amarande | hmm |
| 00:33.47 | Amarande | am I right that this http://www.lunasanguine.com/images/WoWScrnShot_031108_202912.jpg |
| 00:33.51 | Amarande | is the top of the world, basically? |
| 00:33.59 | Amarande | highest point that you can land in the game? |
| 00:35.53 | Amarande | heh |
| 00:35.59 | Amarande | and as I say this, I see a couple rocks behind me that are a little higher LOL |
| 00:36.24 | Kaso | you need a epic mounr |
| 00:37.07 | Amarande | there is a rock at 46,23 that is somewhat higher, I think that's the top of the world since I can only fly a little above it before I get growling |
| 00:37.11 | Sandwichman2448 | I dunno. |
| 00:37.18 | Amarande | epic mounts can get a higher altitude? I thought flyers could go any fly-only areas |
| 00:37.29 | Amarande | the only thing you absolutely need riding(300) for is netherwing, I think |
| 00:38.12 | Kaso | not for this particular task, just in general, you need an epic mount |
| 00:38.31 | Amarande | Kaso: well, as you can see by the moneyfu in the corner, it's gonna be a while LOL |
| 00:38.41 | Sandwichman2448 | That is Am's choice, is it not? |
| 00:38.52 | kd3 | dalies, go! |
| 00:38.56 | kd3 | dailies* |
| 00:39.12 | myke54142 | what ui mod(s) is (are) those? |
| 00:39.18 | Kaso | Sandwichman2448, its his choice, but i'm also free to say that i think anyone who settles for a non epic flying is silly |
| 00:39.19 | Keolah | I'm about halfway to affording epic flying mount for one char... but that'll have to wait a bit as I have another char approaching level 60 who is going to want epic ground mount :p |
| 00:39.43 | Keolah | I suffer from terminal altitis. |
| 00:39.49 | Kaso | Once you get a proper mount the difference is so huge you cant believe you ever coped with a normal one |
| 00:40.10 | Keolah | I spend more time leveling new alts than I do actually playing my level 70s :P |
| 00:40.11 | Amarande | myke54142: bartender3, fubar, a crapload of fubar addons, clearfont2, elk buff bars, simpleminimap, cartographer, x-perl frames, bunch of other, mostly ace addons |
| 00:40.29 | Amarande | Keolah: so do my guildies, which is why we have so few 70s |
| 00:40.39 | Kirkburn | ClearFont2 ftw :P |
| 00:40.44 | Amarande | Kaso: I know that from ground mounts |
| 00:40.47 | myke54142 | i should probably ditch using shift-num to select a bar so that i can clear up shift-num for triggers |
| 00:40.57 | Amarande | I would not have wanted to go 60-69 on the felsteed |
| 00:41.11 | Amarande | especially since there's a number of stunts I've pulled I would definitely NOT have been able to do on a 60% mount |
| 00:41.21 | Amarande | usually of the running past mobs I would otherwise have had to stop and fight/be killed by type |
| 00:41.28 | Keolah | hehe |
| 00:41.36 | Keolah | Nagrand would be hellish with a normal ground mount. |
| 00:41.46 | Adys | Kirkburn: liberation fonts in cf ftw |
| 00:41.47 | Amarande | the ones I remember the most are breaking out of Zeth'Gor without having to slow down to fight the outer guards |
| 00:42.06 | Amarande | and going through the tunnel to raven's wood in BEM without having to fight more than 1 or 2 wyrmcult per trip at most |
| 00:42.07 | Keolah | Because it's so damned big and not a lot of towns ;p |
| 00:42.09 | Sandwichman2448 | You know, I just noticed I have only one screenshot of any of my chars on the wiki. |
| 00:42.22 | Keolah | hehe |
| 00:42.23 | Kaso | the difference is like 10x more than the ground mount difference (yes i know its exactly 1.68x more but w/e) |
| 00:42.27 | Amarande | I hate wyrmcult. I swear their archers raid kara on their spare time |
| 00:42.40 | Amarande | friggin 400-500 a shot bows |
| 00:42.53 | Keolah | I want to get a netherdrake for my pally eventually ,though ;p |
| 00:43.07 | Sandwichman2448 | Too little lore, too many spawns IMO. |
| 00:43.40 | Keolah | Since the RP char he was based off was supposed to be a dragon. |
| 00:43.44 | Amarande | I'm planning to get the 5000, pay for the training, then do the netherwing dailies and wait till I'm exalted with them to get the actual epic mount |
| 00:43.55 | Kirkburn | Adysm reduced size on http://beta.wowwiki.com/MediaWiki:Monaco-sidebar |
| 00:43.58 | Kirkburn | Adys, even |
| 00:44.11 | Keolah | After I manage to get 5000 gold for the training, the cost of the mount itself is nothing. ;p |
| 00:44.17 | Amarande | btw, do netherwing eggs drop whenever, or do you have to actually have gotten to neutral and accepted the first egg quest before they start dropping? |
| 00:44.29 | Adys | Kirkburn: is it active? |
| 00:44.34 | Kirkburn | Yeah |
| 00:44.40 | Kirkburn | Force refresh |
| 00:44.46 | Amarande | like can I go mine nethercite deposits now and have eggs stocked up early? |
| 00:44.55 | Adys | ah there |
| 00:44.56 | Sandwichman2448 | You need the quest. |
| 00:44.58 | Adys | yeah looks better |
| 00:45.14 | Amarande | I figured it being a repeatable, you'd get them anytime, like with the scryer/aldor marks |
| 00:45.23 | Amarande | speaking of which, <3 netherstorm, I can actually get scryer marks here regularly :) |
| 00:45.46 | Kirkburn | Adys, yay |
| 00:45.56 | kd3 | netherwing stuff doesn't drop unless you've completed the quest [[Quest:Blood Oath of the Netherwing]] |
| 00:46.05 | kd3 | no eggs/mines/herbs/skinning |
| 00:46.16 | kd3 | wtf, newsbot. wru? |
| 00:46.26 | Kirkburn | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Kirkburn/Dev3/Warcraft ... thoughts? |
| 00:46.32 | Kirkburn | (hardware failure kd3) |
| 00:46.42 | Amarande | finally, a reprieve from the usual case where almost everything is for aldor drops and there's hardly any scryers stuff |
| 00:46.49 | Keolah | heh |
| 00:46.51 | Amarande | (it's like Blizzard favors Aldor :|) |
| 00:47.03 | Keolah | When leveling a scryers char, I tend to get nothing but aldor marks, and vice versa. :P |
| 00:47.25 | Amarande | I got almost nothing but Aldor marks till I hit Netherstorm and started slaughtering manaforges |
| 00:47.36 | Amarande | and since I actually have to kill almost everything there ... |
| 00:47.37 | Keolah | What was really funny was when me and my bf were leveling up with one char aldor, one char scryers. Guess who got which marks? ;p |
| 00:47.45 | Keolah | *snicker* |
| 00:47.45 | *** topic/#wowwiki by Adys -> Chan rules: http://tinyurl.com/36u82j - UI questions: #wowi-lounge - We are an official fan site, obey the ToU! || http://www.massively.com/2008/03/08/sxsw08-how-gamers-are-adopting-the-wiki-way/ || My greener grass, lemme showoff yu itz |
| 00:47.47 | Amarande | LOL |
| 00:48.08 | Amarande | also, what irritated me is that the mobs that drop aldor always seemed to drop marks more often than the blood elves drop scryers |
| 00:48.14 | Keolah | This one session was hilarious... six arcane tomes dropped while we were questing in Netherstorm.. I won the rolls on all of em :p |
| 00:48.15 | Sandwichman2448 | Kirkburn: Very not-just-WoW-ish. |
| 00:48.27 | Amarande | this is no longer the case now though, I'm pretty sure I have at least 3 arcane tomes, and only 2 fel armaments |
| 00:48.31 | Amarande | (which go to my priest, since she's aldor) |
| 00:49.03 | Keolah | I wound up feeling so sorry for him I passed on the next one :P |
| 00:49.21 | Adys | how nice of you |
| 00:49.26 | Amarande | I sometimes wish I had a regular questing buddy, whether or not they're also someone I have a relationship with :) |
| 00:49.27 | Keolah | Hehe. |
| 00:49.34 | Amarande | it gets a little lonely sometimes soloing everything |
| 00:49.49 | Amarande | plus you don't have anyone to watch your back for pats or respawns :S |
| 00:50.00 | Kirkburn | Sandwichman2448, ignore the skin |
| 00:50.15 | Amarande | not that that matters as much since I hit 70 and can just descend and do decapitating strikes and get back on the windrider :) |
| 00:50.42 | Amarande | but yes. companionship is an awesome thing. :) |
| 00:50.50 | Kirkburn | Sandwichman2448, sorry, ignore that comment |
| 00:51.06 | Kirkburn | To respond to your actual comment ... yay :) |
| 00:51.14 | Amarande | hell, it's why we play wow and put up with all the online foibles and blizzard stuff, otherwise we would all just play Final Fantasy XII lol |
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| 00:52.09 | Amarande | actually that's one reason I didn't get far in FFXII |
| 00:52.09 | Kirkburn | (patch tuesday btw) |
| 00:52.17 | Kirkburn | (for Windows, heh) |
| 00:52.26 | Amarande | it felt like playing a MMORPG without the company |
| 00:52.34 | Amarande | Kirkburn: sheesh you made me think 2.4 for a moment |
| 00:52.51 | Amarande | I'm not even gonna be home till late on Tuesday |
| 00:53.05 | Amarande | that's the day I come back from Colorado |
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| 00:54.31 | Adys | having connection issues sandwichman? |
| 00:55.03 | Sandy | Yes... |
| 00:56.02 | Kirkburn | Amarande, it is tuesday ... |
| 00:56.26 | Kirkburn | What I meant was, today is MS' patch day :P |
| 00:58.15 | Amarande | PATCH DAY TREASON AND PLOT! |
| 00:58.34 | Amarande | ahh, for the good old days when Blizzard patched things in a way that encouraged people into needed roles :| |
| 00:58.43 | Amarande | if I recall the whole Patch Day Treason and Plot thing |
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| 00:59.02 | Amarande | warriors were basically shoved into speccing prot. this is a good thing, because there's always a tank shortage |
| 00:59.29 | Amarande | now things are going the other way round, mostly because of crappy balancing in favor of melee and disfavor of cloth in arenas |
| 00:59.36 | myke54142 | yeah the whole shadow priest thign is somewhat annoying |
| 00:59.48 | Amarande | somewhat is putting it mildly |
| 01:00.02 | Amarande | a lack of fun for shadow priests is a lack of fun for priests, except for healers already enjoying the backing of a large guild |
| 01:00.17 | Amarande | the upshot is that people are letting their priests collect dust and likely will not roll them as often |
| 01:00.26 | Amarande | yay ... LF1M Healer time :| |
| 01:00.31 | myke54142 | i'm only leveling a priest because i have a hunter that groups with me every night |
| 01:00.39 | myke54142 | and i'm in a guild that may be somewhat stable |
| 01:01.07 | Amarande | at least, on the flipside, it's actually somewhat fun to level a warrior as prot |
| 01:01.26 | Amarande | you level a priest as holy, you kill slower and you die more often! |
| 01:01.39 | Amarande | at least when you level a warrior as prot, you might kill slower, but at least it's a lot harder to die |
| 01:01.47 | myke54142 | yeah holy priest is the worst solo spec |
| 01:02.03 | Keolah | I should level my resto druid sometime. I hate suggestions to level up as something else then respec... leveling is most of the game for me :P |
| 01:02.19 | Amarande | anyway, the priest nerfs seem like they might cause a healer shortage :| |
| 01:02.25 | myke54142 | but if paired with even one other person things change, because you can fade and shield and heal ridiculously |
| 01:02.36 | Keolah | But I don't think I'll want to level the poor cow solo :p |
| 01:02.41 | myke54142 | esp as a draenei with jc, + gift of naaru + statue of healing |
| 01:02.51 | Amarande | I really don't care *that* much about losing in arenas, because arena battles are usually quick, you spend more time in queue than fighting, and I just want to gather up some points to get some s2 epics since I don't raid |
| 01:03.29 | Keolah | I just don't give a shit about pvp period, and I hate pointless changes that are primarily made to "help" pvp or whatnot. |
| 01:03.51 | Amarande | besides, arena tends to try to balance similar rated teams, so eventually, assuming you have any skill at all, even if you have bad gear and a pve spec, eventually you're going to stop sinking |
| 01:04.52 | Amarande | I'm not that big into pvp, but also know that until I can heroic or raid regularly, pvp is my main option for higher end gear |
| 01:05.29 | Amarande | and I don't care to spend the rest of my life in greens, lol |
| 01:06.09 | Kirkburn | I'm off, back later |
| 01:06.15 | Amarande | hmm |
| 01:06.36 | Amarande | leveling prot warrior basically means I should try as much as possible to grind heavily areas that feature all or nearly all physical damage mobs, I suppose |
| 01:07.06 | myke54142 | if you have some patience you can buy a lot of purps on the ah |
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| 01:07.17 | Amarande | (I have already pretty much gotten a good understanding that solo warrior = mainly war of attrition) |
| 01:07.55 | Amarande | yeah, if I want to wait that much longer for an epic flyer :S |
| 01:10.08 | Amarande | another reason I will totally love 2.4 |
| 01:10.23 | Amarande | I can get primal nethers with my warlock and give them to my priest to tailor with :) |
| 01:10.42 | Amarande | so I won't have to level my priest to 70 to get spellstrike for my warlock |
| 01:10.44 | myke54142 | wait, primal nether are no longer BOP with 2.4? |
| 01:10.46 | sacarasc | and i can steal some from friends \o/ |
| 01:10.48 | Amarande | myke54142: that's the ticket |
| 01:10.56 | myke54142 | yay!!! |
| 01:11.03 | Amarande | which is awesome for me, tres awesome |
| 01:11.04 | myke54142 | means i can start crafting again |
| 01:11.06 | Amarande | because, for starters |
| 01:11.13 | Amarande | my only character who is 70 and can possibly go to heroics |
| 01:11.15 | Amarande | is a JC |
| 01:11.23 | Amarande | for whom, primal nethers are personally utterly and 100% worthless :S |
| 01:11.47 | sacarasc | i got a friend with 2 chars like that with a primal nether each |
| 01:11.49 | Amarande | the only downside is that now everyone will be rolling on primal nethers now |
| 01:11.49 | sacarasc | and i need 2 |
| 01:12.02 | Amarande | so people will probably need to rely more on buying them with badges |
| 01:12.11 | myke54142 | primal nether is way too hard to get |
| 01:12.16 | myke54142 | i spent one night just running shattered halls |
| 01:12.19 | Amarande | and at the same time, the badge rewards encourage people to save their badges instead |
| 01:12.21 | myke54142 | and it only dropped once |
| 01:12.26 | myke54142 | and someone else gotit |
| 01:12.27 | sacarasc | myke54142: do heroics |
| 01:12.28 | Amarande | heh, sadly, come to think of it |
| 01:12.31 | Amarande | I have to level my priest to 70 anyway |
| 01:12.39 | Amarande | so I can go to shattered halls to make spellstrike for my warlock. :S |
| 01:12.52 | Amarande | well |
| 01:12.57 | Amarande | have to do it anyway I guess |
| 01:13.04 | Amarande | since I need to take my priest to Kara eventually to get Mongoose |
| 01:13.17 | sacarasc | i need one for the engineering goggles ;( |
| 01:13.22 | Amarande | hmm, you guys think kara will be 5-mannable at 80? |
| 01:13.35 | sacarasc | probably |
| 01:13.45 | Amarande | though you might still need a raid for mongoose |
| 01:13.52 | Amarande | mainly because moroes just has too many adds, even at 80 probably |
| 01:15.36 | sacarasc | 3 priests, a tank and a random should do quite well on moroes... |
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| 02:14.25 | Sky2042_afk | why is it that kirkburn always manages to slip away from me? :/ |
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| 03:52.23 | Riggs- | http://www.wowwiki.com/Critical = false info.. "The chance to critical strike increases by 1% per 23.6 critical strike rating points at level 70 and 14 critical strike rating points at level 60." it's actually 1% per 22 crit rating |
| 03:52.47 | kd3 | so fix it |
| 03:52.48 | kd3 | it's a wiki |
| 03:53.08 | kd3 | we encourage people to be bold: http://www.wowwiki.com/WW:BOLD |
| 03:54.01 | Riggs- | didn't feel like making an account.. whining is more fun |
| 03:55.13 | Amarande | heh, tons of things I should fix |
| 03:55.18 | Amarande | I keep forgetting my password, though :S |
| 03:55.29 | Amarande | oh wait. I'm logged on :| |
| 03:57.30 | Sky2042_afk | Riggs-: not our problem then =) |
| 03:58.32 | Riggs- | yeye users problem |
| 03:58.43 | Sky2042_afk | =] |
| 03:58.52 | Sky2042_afk | make an account. we promise, we won't bite. |
| 04:29.20 | Sky2042_afk | omg, they're going after Middle Earth now |
| 04:34.44 | Adys | http://devcub.com/~adys/WoWScrnShot_031208_052829.jpg |
| 04:37.09 | Riggs- | too bad you won't benefit from over 400 of those frames |
| 04:37.15 | Adys | over 450 |
| 04:37.31 | Riggs- | well ye to the naked eye |
| 04:37.42 | Adys | that would be over 475 |
| 04:37.52 | Riggs- | 60fps is the max my 22" lcd can display |
| 04:41.13 | Riggs- | :/ |
| 04:41.19 | Riggs- | usually maintanance would make me go get some sleep but for some reason I'm not tired at all |
| 04:41.40 | Adys | maintenances still exist in wow? |
| 04:42.11 | Riggs- | well they aren't usually as long as they used to |
| 04:43.00 | Riggs- | no rolling restarts this week though.. 05:00-11:00 this time |
| 04:44.12 | Riggs- | wouldn't know about the US though if that is where you are from |
| 04:44.33 | Adys | i played in both :p |
| 04:46.20 | Riggs- | and raided 24/7? :) |
| 04:46.39 | Adys | hah |
| 04:46.41 | Adys | used to before bc |
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| 04:48.59 | Riggs- | after the eu raid stops few h of sleep and on with the us raid |
| 04:49.29 | Adys | lol, no |
| 04:49.40 | Adys | I never had any alt |
| 04:49.54 | Adys | and the only one i was determined to level i just left it rot :) |
| 04:51.32 | Riggs- | I'd like to see how a person would look like after a few months of that |
| 04:51.48 | Amarande | heh, I sometimes start to wonder if I need to find myself a 9-5 office job and ditch my retail job if I want to raid |
| 04:52.13 | Adys | dont change jobs because you wanna raid wtf :/ |
| 04:52.20 | Adys | id have said go ahead before bc |
| 04:52.24 | Adys | but its pointless now |
| 04:52.51 | Amarande | well, here's what my schedule usually looks like lately |
| 04:52.51 | Riggs- | not really |
| 04:53.06 | Adys | yes it is riggs |
| 04:53.13 | Riggs- | how is it any more pointless than anything else in wow? |
| 04:53.24 | Adys | im not saying that |
| 04:53.27 | Amarande | evenings Sat, Sun, and usually Thurs; morning Wed, afternoon Tues, off one of Monday and Friday and God knows what the other one. |
| 04:53.29 | Adys | im saying dont ditch your job for it |
| 04:53.40 | Amarande | Adys: I'm more thinking it's another incentive to get a -better- job lol |
| 04:54.02 | Adys | well here is a honest advice |
| 04:54.03 | Amarande | anyway, with that schedule I just noted ... how many raid guilds are going to find me compatible with their raid schedule :| |
| 04:54.06 | Adys | dont even thinka bout it |
| 04:54.52 | Adys | s/a / a/ |
| 04:54.57 | Riggs- | I used to have a 9-5 job.. or well 6-2 but anyway |
| 04:55.32 | Amarande | anyway, is raiding only for nine to fivers and unemployed teenagers? |
| 04:55.50 | Riggs- | then 5 months of crappy shit work and soon starting a shift work again.. with a better shifts though |
| 04:56.02 | Adys | raiding is for no sane and tasteful person today. |
| 04:56.13 | Amarande | and us shift workers had better l2roll whatever Blizzard favors in Arena, because that's the only thing we're going to have the schedule to be able to do? |
| 04:56.17 | Adys | i insist on tasteful |
| 04:56.54 | Amarande | I suppose I could see how many late nighters there are on Turalyon looking for raids, lol |
| 04:57.16 | Amarande | or I can wait for 2.4 when badge loot is actually on par with raiding so people are more interested in doing 5-man. :) |
| 04:57.26 | Adys | here is an example |
| 04:57.54 | Amarande | right now, the problem is that most of the 5-man loot isn't anywhere competitive with raid loot, so pve players avoid 5-man once they are able to raid ... right? |
| 04:57.57 | Adys | before bc i was raiding every day bar saturday - on saturdays, i was leading an MC and eventually BWL pug on my serv |
| 04:58.00 | Adys | because it was fun |
| 04:58.08 | Riggs- | oh I made a typo there: shit -> shift :P |
| 04:58.32 | Amarande | Adys: it was probably easier to PUG raids back then too, wasn't it? |
| 04:58.38 | Adys | and to the bones i wanted lots of people i knew to see what MC and BWL are like (and naxx when it went out) |
| 04:58.45 | Adys | no, it was harder |
| 04:59.12 | Amarande | it just occurred to me that back then, you probably had a greater percentage of players with clue |
| 04:59.32 | Amarande | plus outland gear has obscene repair costs compared to classic gear, so especially plate don't like to PUG much if they can avoid it I suppose |
| 04:59.40 | Adys | we had the same players |
| 04:59.54 | Amarande | I think I heard a plate wearer say that if they ever went red-out, they would cry and not play that character for a month or something like that :S |
| 05:00.08 | Adys | whiners |
| 05:00.13 | Adys | money is easy to get in bc |
| 05:00.13 | Riggs- | pre bc I first did only mc and after 9 months in the army when I finally came back to wow managed to get up to twins in aq40 before the expansion |
| 05:00.23 | Adys | was already easy before |
| 05:00.54 | Amarande | wonder if Naxx80 is going to look anything like Naxx60 |
| 05:01.03 | Adys | i really hope so |
| 05:01.04 | Riggs- | and atm full vengeful etc + bt and hyjal cleared :P |
| 05:01.05 | Adys | but i doubt it |
| 05:01.21 | Amarande | perhaps the reason they're revamping it for 80 is because they want people to actually see it, and realize they didn't give enough of a chance before |
| 05:01.23 | Adys | still, was extremely pleased to hear they did a good decision |
| 05:01.28 | Riggs- | must be a pain for those who actually farmed the 60 version :) |
| 05:01.30 | Adys | no Amarande |
| 05:01.42 | Adys | they are doing that because everyone knows naxxramas is a FUCKING AMAZING instance |
| 05:01.52 | Adys | and by far and far the best thing they ever designed in wow |
| 05:02.00 | Amarande | Which they didn't give people enough of a chance to see before forcing BC on them. |
| 05:02.21 | Adys | people dont care about that |
| 05:02.26 | Adys | well |
| 05:02.41 | Amarande | on the downside, this means that when the expansion after Wrath comes out |
| 05:02.48 | Amarande | Naxx will be the first instance to collect dust |
| 05:02.56 | Amarande | like MC from classic |
| 05:03.13 | Amarande | and to be honest, there's quite enough dust in Naxxramas already, all those damned undead :S |
| 05:03.31 | Adys | just a honest pov again |
| 05:03.42 | Adys | a third expansion? uhm |
| 05:03.47 | Riggs- | well at least most ppl will see it this time then |
| 05:04.00 | Amarande | anyway, I wonder if 2.4 will make 5-man more popular |
| 05:04.09 | Adys | 5mans are popular |
| 05:04.22 | Amarande | I get the feeling now that there are a lot of people who only raid because the 5-man loot doesn't stack up to raid loot at the top end |
| 05:04.33 | Riggs- | most likely the new 5mans, kara and za will be the ones |
| 05:04.45 | Riggs- | kara is always nice for badges |
| 05:04.47 | Amarande | otoh, we have a lot of people on the boards QQing and saying they're quitting WoW at 2.4 because it is no longer necessary to raid to get top grade gear |
| 05:04.56 | Amarande | which, they say, erases the whole point to raiding |
| 05:05.01 | Adys | [06:04:22] <Amarande> (...) there are a lot of people who only raid because of the (...) loot |
| 05:05.19 | Riggs- | personally hate the whole badge system |
| 05:05.19 | Adys | yeah that strikes me down too |
| 05:05.36 | Amarande | Riggs-: ehh, well, something is necessary |
| 05:05.38 | Riggs- | damn welfare epix.. like there wouldn't be enough already |
| 05:05.39 | Adys | gear is as easy to collect as chewing gums in Paris' roads |
| 05:05.51 | Amarande | Blizzard intended pretty much for there to be three paths to progression at 70 |
| 05:05.59 | Amarande | pvp, large scale raids, and 5/10 man |
| 05:06.18 | Adys | blizzard didnt intend anything |
| 05:06.21 | Amarande | Right now, the third category is lacking in comparison to what you can get from the first two |
| 05:06.29 | Riggs- | reward should scale better with the effort |
| 05:06.49 | Amarande | exactly, reward should scale with the skill required to obtain it |
| 05:06.55 | Adys | then all raid loot should be removed since raiding is piss easy :) |
| 05:07.10 | Amarande | this is why, say, good arena players can get s3, and pvp newbies like me will have to settle for s2 |
| 05:07.43 | Riggs- | didn't find getting full s3 too hard |
| 05:07.59 | Adys | here is the thing |
| 05:08.02 | Riggs- | on my server getting a guild up to Illidan is behind way more effort |
| 05:08.03 | Amarande | but five and ten man dungeons need to be as rewarding to the skilled player as raids, IMO |
| 05:08.06 | Adys | blizzard entirely screwed up bc |
| 05:08.14 | Adys | on nearly every single point |
| 05:08.31 | Adys | they are using these patches as test areas now to see what works and what doesnt |
| 05:08.36 | Amarande | otherwise, people who don't have RL schedules that let them fit into a major raid guild, are told that whether or not they like pvp, if they want decent epics, they must pvp |
| 05:08.40 | Adys | and see you in wotlk with a lesson learned |
| 05:08.41 | Riggs- | well aren't they using some of the same dev's now that fucked up ultima online? |
| 05:08.57 | Amarande | Riggs-: That's EA. |
| 05:09.06 | Amarande | EA fucks up everything it touches, except for their precious sports games |
| 05:09.19 | Amarande | It's one of the reasons I stopped renewing my Pogo online games subscription, too |
| 05:09.38 | Riggs- | oh they were from EA? |
| 05:09.48 | Amarande | Riggs-: UO was made by EA, and so is Pogo |
| 05:10.04 | Amarande | Like I said, they only really care about EA Sports and that's it |
| 05:10.20 | Amarande | all their other acquisitions are simply things they milk for a few games to sell with the brand, then throw away |
| 05:10.40 | Amarande | I hear they're planning to buy Take Two, and Take Two is already preparing severance packages for its employees |
| 05:10.44 | Adys | kd3: is the 2.4 api doc updated on wowwiki? |
| 05:10.59 | Adys | particularly on stuff like the new quest and mob links.. |
| 05:10.59 | kd3 | doubt it |
| 05:11.04 | Amarande | probably because they know they're the next ones who will be piloted into the iceberg by EA |
| 05:11.45 | Amarande | probably they'll end up turning GTA into some half baked sports thing like GTA: Street Racing or something |
| 05:12.33 | Riggs- | they are just going too far with the casual friendliness in wow |
| 05:12.40 | Amarande | I am an Ultima Dragon. I have my reasons to hate EA. |
| 05:12.42 | Riggs- | but ye more money for them I spose |
| 05:12.55 | Amarande | Riggs-: there's FFXI for the people who want to be elitist |
| 05:13.19 | Amarande | FFXI's progression, I have heard is even more strained than WoW's |
| 05:13.52 | Amarande | WoW, there is a sort of encouraged progression through tiers, but if you have alternative gear from badges/crafting specialist sets/pvp, you might be able to skip parts of T4 or T5 |
| 05:14.06 | Amarande | FFXI, I am told that to even get parties to progress, you basically have to max out your gear every level |
| 05:14.26 | Amarande | which, doubtless is why gil sellers really have a ball |
| 05:14.50 | Riggs- | in wow you have to do it at first but after few patches you can skip all that :P |
| 05:14.58 | Amarande | probably a lot of casuals who have to buy gil to afford the gear death march to even level up |
| 05:15.37 | Amarande | (also apparently FFXI has suffered from overfarming that makes STV overcrowd look like a joke) |
| 05:15.45 | Riggs- | no need to touch the eye or ssc after 2.4 |
| 05:15.52 | Amarande | well, BC is in its sunset days |
| 05:16.13 | Amarande | perhaps it's best that Blizzard helps people catch up so they have at least an opportunity to see end-game content |
| 05:16.22 | Amarande | imagine if everything was still the original attunement chart? |
| 05:16.37 | Amarande | you'd be lucky to get to the eye before WOTLK then, let alone a chance to see sunwell |
| 05:16.50 | Amarande | assuming you were just getting a guild going now, even if you had good players |
| 05:17.10 | Riggs- | think wotlk is at least 6 months away |
| 05:17.16 | Amarande | Blizzard remembers the complaints about Naxxramas being seen by too few pretty well I think |
| 05:17.23 | Riggs- | or about 6 months |
| 05:17.26 | Amarande | plus the devs probably feel depressed that so few got to see their content |
| 05:17.57 | Amarande | so basically, this may be the best of evils given WoW's design philosophies with expansion packs |
| 05:18.17 | Amarande | they decided on a design philosophy that makes all endgame content from the previous situation obsolete when a new xpac comes out. |
| 05:18.49 | Amarande | therefore, there's not much reasonable to do in the sunset days of BC but help give people a faster leg up so they can possibly catch up in time if they have the skill it takes |
| 05:19.19 | Amarande | I don't see Hyjal/BT being actually nerfed except in terms of the hard barrier to entry being removed |
| 05:19.41 | Amarande | you still need good enough gear. you still need players that know their class and don't stand in fire. |
| 05:20.51 | Riggs- | the first bosses in both aren't too hard though |
| 05:21.03 | Amarande | a group of freshly dinged 70s in greens may be allowed to enter BT, but they'll be lucky if they have the strength to beat doomwalker, let alone get into the door |
| 05:21.26 | Amarande | perhaps if they 40-man Doomy and split off the 'booster rocket' before entering with the main 25, but they still won't get far |
| 05:21.55 | Riggs- | well najentus is a bit of a gear check but wintechill is just a joke |
| 05:22.06 | Amarande | in any case, yeah, there's downsides to removing the attunements and such |
| 05:22.18 | Amarande | but the original attunement org chart makes an assumption that is no longer the case |
| 05:22.43 | Riggs- | free pass to vashj and kael would have been enough if you ask me |
| 05:22.55 | Riggs- | which they actually are giving afaik |
| 05:23.08 | Amarande | it makes the assumption that a guild has all the time in the world to do all those steps (which originally included being Revered, not just Honored with five factions) |
| 05:23.29 | Amarande | Right, I can waste all that time to get revered with Thrallmar when the Thrallmar rewards suck for a warlock JC |
| 05:24.03 | Amarande | (It would be the same with HH, since I understand that the HH rewards are the same as the T'mar ones) |
| 05:24.18 | Riggs- | more or less ye |
| 05:25.52 | Amarande | Riggs: improved badge gear is probably important as well |
| 05:26.02 | Amarande | otherwise, guilds have to have Vashj and Kael on farm to keep going, pretty much, no? |
| 05:26.25 | Amarande | and seeing as you can only kill each raid boss once a week, there just isn't time to get geared the traditional way |
| 05:26.34 | Amarande | 6 months is 24 weeks |
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| 05:27.05 | Amarande | that means approximately 24 chances to kill a given raid boss, and I've seen talk from guilds that had particularly bad luck with gear |
| 05:28.23 | Riggs- | well ye but then again you can get leggings better than t6 with under 5 kara runs soon |
| 05:28.48 | Riggs- | (for rogues) |
| 05:29.04 | Riggs- | wouldn't say that is fair either |
| 05:29.29 | Amarande | as for that |
| 05:29.36 | Amarande | maybe they're too cheap in terms of badge cost |
| 05:29.53 | Amarande | but, like I said, I think there needs to be a way to get top gear thru 5 or 10 mans |
| 05:30.25 | Amarande | because again, not everyone, even if they are good at the game and into it, has a work and/or school schedule that lets them have the number of evenings free that progressed raid guilds call for |
| 05:30.32 | Riggs- | maybe if they would make really hard 5 and 10 mans |
| 05:30.56 | Amarande | hmm, what's the difficulty looking like for the sunwell 5-man? |
| 05:31.03 | Amarande | I've heard you basically want to be kara geared for that one, especially on heroic |
| 05:31.31 | Riggs- | no idea tbh |
| 05:31.52 | Amarande | now on average, I do tend to have three evenings free a week, but unless there's a guild that raids Mon/Tue/Wed/Fri, I don't think I'm going to get in. :S |
| 05:32.09 | Amarande | so 5 and 10 man is what I'll be doing. |
| 05:33.44 | Riggs- | I actually could do that |
| 05:34.03 | Riggs- | but I've been in the guild since it was formed so it's a bit different |
| 05:34.15 | Amarande | I did see one that raids Sun thru Wed |
| 05:34.24 | Amarande | but they want 75% attendance, and I can only really promise about maybe 65% on average |
| 05:34.47 | Amarande | I'm virtually always available Tues and Wed, but always unavailable Sun, and Monday is sort of random |
| 05:35.29 | Riggs- | friday and saturday are off days for us |
| 05:36.01 | Amarande | I also see hardly any guilds oriented towards 5- and 10-man content when I look at guild lists |
| 05:36.12 | Amarande | most seem to be PvP or 25-man |
| 05:37.24 | Riggs- | pvp doesn't really need a guild |
| 05:38.18 | Amarande | I suppose the main thing is that at this point, you need a guild even for 5-man in some cases |
| 05:38.24 | Amarande | which I guess is understandable |
| 05:38.36 | Amarande | especially from the POV of a tank, who bears the brunt of things whenever he gets a crappy PUG |
| 05:38.53 | Amarande | and the further progressed a tank is, the more reluctant they will be to take on an iffy group |
| 05:39.03 | Amarande | well, other than bear druid tanks |
| 05:39.28 | Amarande | but plate tanks ... what IS the repair bill on red out for full epics anyway? :) |
| 05:40.23 | Amarande | hell I'm a clothie in greens, and I would pay probably five to seven gold if I redded out |
| 05:40.39 | Riggs- | on my rogue around 25g |
| 05:40.54 | Amarande | I think that might even get worse in Wrath, too |
| 05:40.54 | Riggs- | if exalted with the faction you are using for the repair |
| 05:41.09 | Amarande | I assume that repair bills will SKYROCKET in WOTLK |
| 05:41.22 | Amarande | mainly because, since Blizzard chose not to add an additional mount type |
| 05:41.49 | Amarande | repairs, food/drink, vendor patterns, and the one-time charges for class training are pretty much all they have to take money out of the economy |
| 05:42.15 | Riggs- | respec cost |
| 05:42.30 | Riggs- | spend 100g a week for that myself |
| 05:42.32 | Amarande | yeah, they may do something nasty to the talent trees to make it even harder to maintain one spec across everything |
| 05:43.30 | Amarande | but ... food/drink have to be affordable because at the least, drops should finance your consumables needs |
| 05:43.41 | Amarande | vendor patterns you buy once, as well as ranks of non-talent skills |
| 05:44.17 | Amarande | which means, pretty much I see repair costs having to balance the steady influx of gold into the economy |
| 05:44.25 | Riggs- | you can always bother a mage |
| 05:44.38 | Amarande | in BC, you had the 5000g cost of epic flying mount per character to yank gobs out of the economy |
| 05:44.44 | Amarande | what will WOTLK have? |
| 05:45.16 | Amarande | has to be something, or new players on a server will never get a leg up, a stack of Linen Cloth will start being 10g |
| 05:46.01 | Amarande | (otoh this seems like a fine way to apply the Goblin Jumper Cables XL to all those dead realms, if players HAVE to begin on low pop realms because the economy is impossibly expensive on higher ones ...) |
| 05:46.20 | Amarande | Note: I said Goblin Jumper Cables XL for a reason, lol |
| 05:46.42 | Riggs- | the word you are looking for is inflation |
| 05:46.52 | Amarande | yeah, that's what I'm wondering about |
| 05:47.03 | Amarande | how will Blizzard control inflation in Wrath of the Lich King without the epic mount cost to consider? |
| 05:47.42 | Riggs- | guess with the things you said or they just won't at all |
| 05:47.47 | Amarande | and at the same time, without making obtaining new skills be like Guild Wars lol |
| 05:48.30 | Amarande | (i.e., where you had to carefully pick and choose what skill upgrades you really needed, not like WoW and BC where you just bought all the ones available at your level) |
| 05:50.10 | Riggs- | will see when we have some idea of the rate of making money in wotlk |
| 05:50.27 | Riggs- | via quests and grind |
| 06:02.44 | Amarande | yeah, maybe they'll just stop throwing high value vendor trash at us like Outland did |
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| 12:16.49 | Fisker- | lulz |Pixel| |
| 12:17.04 | |Pixel| | hm ? |
| 12:17.05 | Fisker- | oh |
| 12:17.18 | Fisker- | thought starcraft2.eu redirected to the wow trial again |
| 12:17.23 | |Pixel| | tss tss |
| 12:17.26 | Fisker- | but that's just starcraft.eu that does :P |
| 12:17.35 | |Pixel| | duh -.- |
| 12:17.42 | |Pixel| | DUH |
| 12:17.45 | Fisker- | http://www.gametrailers.com/player/31706.html <-you should post moar like this |
| 12:18.19 | Fisker- | pretty cool considered it's an engine rendered cinematic :o |
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| 13:10.56 | pcj | gg laurly |
| 13:11.04 | laurly | ? |
| 13:11.20 | pcj | vista lol |
| 13:11.24 | pcj | suuuuure it did |
| 13:11.47 | laurly | no idea what happend my boss still cant figure it out :) |
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| 13:24.03 | Ose | anti-angela is back -.- |
| 13:24.32 | Ose | adys hobinheim fix before he does anything |
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| 13:29.22 | Ose | ~seen gourra |
| 13:29.23 | infobot | gourra <n=g0urra@73-236.powerdsl.t3.se> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowwiki, 1d 14h 30m 16s ago, saying: 'right-o I'll work on that'. |
| 13:30.54 | Hobinheim | huh? |
| 13:32.14 | Ose | ban him!!!!! |
| 13:32.27 | Ose | http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Fuck_Ange%3Bla_because_assaulthead_will_come_back_to_Wikia_Forever_and_soon_take_over_Wikia_because_angela_is_unfit_to_be_the_president_of_wikia |
| 13:34.49 | Ose | how do I change the bg of "darktable"? is there an option for it, or do I need to use another table style? |
| 13:41.19 | Ose | pcj? |
| 13:41.26 | pcj | what |
| 13:44.07 | Ose | i'm trying to fit {{paperdoll}} into {{wowbox}}, but can't get it right. can you help? you propably know what to do |
| 13:44.47 | Ose | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Ose/Characters/Ose I want no border and matching background |
| 13:44.49 | pcj | wowbox is deprecated |
| 13:45.50 | Ose | but it's kewl! |
| 13:48.46 | Ose | pwetty pwetty pwease? |
| 13:50.41 | pcj | there you go |
| 13:51.34 | Ose | thanks :D |
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| 14:30.00 | Ose | pcj, could I add arguments to show stats and resistances by default? |
| 14:30.50 | pcj | it shouldn't show by default |
| 14:32.22 | Ose | aww, ok |
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| 15:34.37 | Ose | quiet today... |
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| 17:28.33 | Ose | kirk :D |
| 17:29.12 | Ose | ^late :P |
| 17:33.42 | Ose | how long are you staying @ wikia HQ Kirkburn? |
| 17:38.37 | pcj | not long at all apparently |
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| 17:45.51 | Ose | foxlit: Since foxbot checks people's contributions and changes their tag, how about making it automatically add/change {{t|wwclub}} on the pages too? |
| 17:46.05 | Ose | {{wwclub}} I mean |
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| 18:02.41 | Fisker- | beep beep |
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| 18:05.10 | Kirkburn | Adys, who agreed to the removal of {{construction}}? |
| 18:06.12 | Fisker- | JEEEEEEEETSOOOOON |
| 18:07.46 | laurly | kirk im going to add a loging function to replace bot so we can have her put back what ever she removed. if her orders where incorect |
| 18:09.50 | Kirkburn | Well, it's more that it would have been good if people could have had input on the removal ... that it's gone is /kinda/ okay, but not that no-one knew about it until after the fact |
| 18:10.04 | Kirkburn | Logging function does sound cool |
| 18:10.36 | laurly | guild bot i have logs for kinda. but the replace one i just coded on the fly for adys didnt think it would need loging |
| 18:12.43 | laurly | hes good at those |
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| 18:19.28 | Gourra | can a value range be used inside #switch:{{}} ? |
| 18:22.00 | Kaso | Hmm, a mozilla script that opens a bunch of webpages for testing, one of them is wowwiki |
| 18:24.00 | Fisker- | HALP kir |
| 18:24.02 | Fisker- | noes |
| 18:24.03 | Fisker- | HALP |
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| 18:31.53 | RockKeeper | hi |
| 18:32.08 | RockKeeper | anyone out there ? |
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| 18:37.20 | ltcolumbo | no |
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| 18:52.52 | foxlit | Ose: foxlit: Since foxbot checks people's contributions and changes their tag, how about making it automatically add/change {{t|wwclub}} on the pages too? |
| 18:53.24 | foxlit | Unlikely |
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| 19:04.43 | Gourra | is there a way to inside a "#switch:{{}}" make a span of numbers? for example 1-50? it's kinda useless to list them one after one if you're working with big numbers |
| 19:05.25 | PanSola | you can use #expr instead of switch, if you have a range |
| 19:06.04 | PanSola | or if there is an otherwise mathematical pattern to the ones you want to have the same "then" |
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| 19:08.17 | Gourra | so let's say that I have a template that has a text. it will color depending on what number given to it |
| 19:08.32 | Gourra | so in the ranges 1-3, 4-6 etc there will be a different color |
| 19:11.06 | pcj | {{#switch}} |
| 19:12.31 | pcj | {{#switch:{{{colornumber|-}}}|1|2|3=color1|4|5|6=color2|#default=color3}} |
| 19:13.44 | pcj | . |
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| 19:34.01 | Gourra | but what if it's 1-10 and repeats to 90? will I have to do the same? |
| 19:38.55 | Gourra | for example: {{#switch:{{{colornumber|-}}}|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9|10=color1|11|12|13|14|15|16|17|18|19|20=color2|#default=color3}} |
| 19:45.03 | pcj | gourra you should probably use {{#expr}} for ranges |
| 19:45.12 | pcj | or is it ifexpr |
| 19:45.42 | Gourra | how does that work? I'm a nub at this programming thing.. |
| 19:45.53 | Gourra | is there a FAQ or list or something somewhere I can see? |
| 19:48.45 | pcj | gourra: {{#switch:{{#expr:({{{colornumber|1}}}-1)/10 round 0}}|0=color1|1=color2|#default=color3}} |
| 19:49.15 | Gourra | okay thanks |
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| 19:50.18 | pcj | gourra: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/ParserFunctions#.23ifexpr: |
| 19:50.24 | pcj | err |
| 19:50.31 | pcj | http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/ParserFunctions#.23expr: |
| 20:08.10 | laurly | woot got my dps over 1k :) |
| 20:09.33 | pcj | grats laurly |
| 20:09.36 | pcj | raiding BT? |
| 20:09.42 | laurly | na MH |
| 20:09.51 | laurly | 1 hour first two bosses down. |
| 20:10.08 | laurly | compaired to kael and vashj this is easy |
| 20:10.12 | pcj | yeah |
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| 20:28.57 | Fisker- | HALP KIRKBURN |
| 20:28.57 | Fisker- | HALP |
| 20:29.49 | Kirkburn | Fisker-, what? |
| 20:30.49 | Kirkburn | *sigh*, gonna have to quit again, silly laptop |
| 20:30.49 | laurly | havent seen him since you where here before kirk |
| 20:30.54 | Kirkburn | kk |
| 20:31.27 | Kirkburn | Oh, update on the upgrade - still some stuff to upgrade, and the skin will be created in the v near future |
| 20:32.04 | Kirkburn | Off I go! Back later |
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| 21:33.52 | Gourra | appearantly you can't use '>' in #expr: ... |
| 21:34.40 | Gourra | I'll have to type '<nowiki>></nowiki>', but I'm not sure if that works |
| 21:36.14 | pcj | uhhh #expr should handle that... |
| 21:37.13 | Gourra | can you tell me then why http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Gourra/Sandbox/2 breaks without <nowiki> |
| 21:39.59 | pcj | heh mediawiki is being dumb and trying to close <span |
| 21:44.10 | Ose | if anyone needs anything to do: http://www.wowwiki.com/Template_talk:User_exalted#To_do: |
| 21:44.26 | Gourra | it's driving me nuts because I can't figure out how to make the text color change grr |
| 21:54.01 | laurly | you guys are booring tonight. |
| 21:54.45 | Gourra | indeed we are |
| 21:55.03 | Gourra | or maybe just busy trying to figure out how to change text colors. |
| 21:55.15 | amro | Adys: ping |
| 21:55.29 | Gourra | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Gourra/Sandbox/2 is not workinggggggg |
| 21:56.33 | Gourra | have fun trying to figure out how it's going to work |
| 21:56.38 | Gourra | I'm off to bed, goodnight |
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| 22:49.08 | dev_n00b | I hate alliance in AV :( |
| 23:01.51 | Polarina | dev_n00b: I agree. They don't know seem to know the true meaning behind "teamwork". |
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| 23:35.26 | Adys | amro, kirkburn, ose, laurly: pong |
| 23:35.32 | Adys | (yeah im slow) |
| 23:43.24 | pcj | hmmm |
| 23:43.26 | pcj | adys ping |
| 23:43.32 | Adys | sup |
| 23:43.42 | pcj | testing response times |
| 23:44.06 | Adys | boy |
| 23:44.12 | Adys | ps cs3 runs in wine |
| 23:44.26 | Adys | awesome |
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| 23:48.30 | Krolmor | howdy |
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