| 00:01.30 | Gourra | ugh @ the amount of off-topic stuff by Mr.X8 and SMW |
| 00:01.34 | Gourra | oh well, gn |
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| 00:53.19 | Kirkburn|afk | (force of habit) |
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| 01:44.00 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Arena_Tournament_NPCs |
| 01:44.01 | kd3 | huzzah |
| 01:44.03 | kd3 | nearly done |
| 01:44.13 | kd3 | just need to figure out how to get screenshots of the vendors |
| 01:44.28 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Adys/Item:-1/XML |
| 01:44.35 | Adys | huzzah, nearly done too :D |
| 01:53.26 | DuTempete | what are you up to, now, Adys? |
| 01:53.39 | Adys | bed! |
| 01:53.48 | DuTempete | I mean on the wiki :P |
| 01:58.28 | winkiller | yes! finally attuned to Ony |
| 01:58.34 | winkiller | on my first char ever |
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| 04:52.29 | Kirkburn|afk | Evening all |
| 04:52.32 | Kirkburn|afk | Sky2042, yo |
| 04:52.37 | kd3 | 'lo |
| 04:52.44 | Kirkburn|afk | How goes? |
| 04:53.16 | Kirkburn|afk | Just met most of Wikia for the first time |
| 04:53.52 | kd3 | oh, that's right. they were all off somewhere in asia during blizzcon |
| 04:53.53 | Kirkburn | Too many names! |
| 04:54.00 | Kirkburn | Indeedy |
| 04:54.48 | Kirkburn | But now, we're (almost) all in San Francisco |
| 04:55.00 | Kirkburn | Had a very tasty dinner at a Chinese restaurant |
| 04:55.16 | Kirkburn | And we're staying in a hotel which oddly has the same name as the new skin |
| 04:59.38 | Sky2042 | kd3: you look busy. |
| 05:00.05 | kd3 | wrote a little app that automated post of the tooltip crap I need for http://www.wowwiki.com/Enchantments_Vendor |
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| 05:12.12 | Kirkburn | kd3, ooh |
| 05:12.49 | Kirkburn | Sky2042, how's swimming these days? |
| 05:13.14 | Sky2042 | just got home from Senior State. Dropped about 10s over 6 races, but not in the race i wanted to ;( |
| 05:13.26 | DuTempete | niiiice |
| 05:13.32 | DuTempete | that's a lot |
| 05:13.36 | Sky2042 | have a final end-season meet in about 2 weeks, and then spring break |
| 05:13.40 | DuTempete | which races did you swim? |
| 05:14.06 | Sky2042 | 2Ba, 2Br, 1Br, 4IM, 1 + 2Fl |
| 05:14.32 | DuTempete | <3 IM |
| 05:14.38 | Sky2042 | heh |
| 05:14.57 | DuTempete | That's my favourite one of all |
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| 05:15.10 | Sky2042 | about 4s drop on the ba, about 1s off the 1breast, and about 7s off the IM |
| 05:15.17 | Kirkburn | Backstroke, Breastroke, something, something |
| 05:15.28 | Sky2042 | Kirkburn: Individual Medly, Butterfly |
| 05:15.34 | DuTempete | 200yd back strocke, 200yd breast stroke, 100yd breast, 400yd individual medley, and the 100 and 200yd free |
| 05:15.52 | Kirkburn | Medly is different strokes for each length, right? |
| 05:16.06 | DuTempete | oh, 100 and 200yd butterfley? |
| 05:16.12 | DuTempete | 50yds of each stroke |
| 05:16.17 | Sky2042 | in the 200 |
| 05:16.21 | Kirkburn | What would freestyle be, "Fr"? |
| 05:16.23 | Sky2042 | in the 400, it's 100 yds |
| 05:16.25 | Sky2042 | Kirkburn: yes. |
| 05:17.02 | DuTempete | yes, well, math i shard, Sky2042 :P |
| 05:17.03 | Kirkburn | When you say you dropped 10s, what does that mean? |
| 05:17.04 | Sky2042 | the IM is in the order of FL, BA, BR, FR, while the relay is swum BA, BR, FL, FR |
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| 05:17.18 | Sky2042 | Kirkburn: i went 10s faster. |
| 05:17.31 | Zurr | vandal on wowwiki |
| 05:17.32 | Kirkburn | Than previously? |
| 05:17.34 | DuTempete | 10s off his time, Kirkburn |
| 05:17.38 | Sky2042 | Kirkburn: yes. |
| 05:17.42 | Kirkburn | oh, cool |
| 05:17.51 | Zurr | http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Contributions/Angela_is_a_fucking_bitch_because_she_is_from_England_she_believes_everyone_a_cross_wiki_vandal_did_cross_wiki_blocking_for_evil_purposes_have_fat_tities_a_fat_shitty_cunt_and_she_has_a_fat_clitoris |
| 05:17.54 | Kirkburn | And uh, someone deal with Zurr's thing :P |
| 05:18.01 | Sky2042 | LOL |
| 05:18.06 | Sky2042 | that same idiot? |
| 05:18.09 | kd3 | good god. again? |
| 05:18.10 | Kirkburn | Angela is a very nice person, I'll have you know |
| 05:18.15 | DuTempete | 10s is a great deal of time for one meet |
| 05:18.16 | Kirkburn | (seeing as I just met her) |
| 05:18.52 | Kirkburn | Isn't accusing people of blocking people for bad reasons via vandalism rather ... ironic? |
| 05:19.11 | Sky2042 | Kirkburn: hehe |
| 05:19.21 | Sky2042 | I'm a laggin. |
| 05:20.16 | Kirkburn | He's not solo to WoWWiki btw :P |
| 05:20.25 | Sky2042 | Kirkburn: lol. |
| 05:20.29 | Kirkburn | My roomie knows him well >_< |
| 05:20.44 | Sky2042 | which does your roomie edit on? |
| 05:21.22 | Kirkburn | All Wikia Gaming |
| 05:21.26 | Kirkburn | He's impressed by the username |
| 05:21.39 | Kirkburn | We think he's a guy originally called Assaulthead |
| 05:22.32 | Kirkburn | I think at one point he was trying to add loads of army-related content to (unrelated) wikis |
| 05:22.43 | Sky2042 | gee, ya think? |
| 05:23.04 | Sky2042 | though it looks like he's switched to Transformers content, eh kd3? :] |
| 05:23.17 | kd3 | meh. i've deleted about half of those images before |
| 05:23.42 | kd3 | was wondering how long it'd take for him to finally hit my userpage |
| 05:26.11 | Kirkburn | Oh, god, transformers, that's where I first met him |
| 05:27.04 | Sky2042 | i'm rather enthused by the creativeness of his naming ability. |
| 05:27.22 | kd3 | wtb UsernameBlocklist |
| 05:27.35 | Sky2042 | kd3: coming with upgrade :/ |
| 05:27.38 | Sky2042 | i think |
| 05:27.49 | kd3 | s/lock/lack/ |
| 05:28.09 | DuTempete | I havce to agree with Sky2042, his naming methods are quite entertaining. |
| 05:28.09 | Sky2042 | freaking a brother is being a bandwidth whore. |
| 05:28.21 | Kirkburn | Yay for cascading protection |
| 05:28.39 | Kirkburn | Yeah, I think that'll be covered |
| 05:29.12 | Sky2042 | will brb |
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| 05:31.15 | kd3 | bah. curse that guy for breaking my train of thought... back to spamming RC |
| 05:31.28 | Sky2042 | kd3: lol |
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| 06:03.28 | Kirkburn | Zurr, you a patroller? |
| 06:03.38 | Sky2042 | (zurr left) |
| 06:03.46 | Kirkburn | Damn |
| 06:06.19 | Kirkburn | Nope, he isn't |
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| 06:07.04 | MonkeyDLuffy | hi everybody |
| 06:07.17 | Sky2042 | hi hi |
| 06:07.26 | MonkeyDLuffy | :) |
| 06:07.46 | MonkeyDLuffy | is there anyone here that had the "Authenticating" stuck problem? |
| 06:08.05 | MonkeyDLuffy | its my first time on wow and i have spent the last 15 hours trying to get past that screen |
| 06:08.14 | MonkeyDLuffy | i dont know what else to do |
| 06:08.30 | Sky2042 | MonkeyDLuffy: it usually means Blizzard is having issues with your server. |
| 06:08.50 | MonkeyDLuffy | does this also apply on private servers? |
| 06:09.16 | MonkeyDLuffy | becouse i cant log in anywhere |
| 06:09.23 | Sky2042 | MonkeyDLuffy: uh... o_o |
| 06:09.36 | MonkeyDLuffy | as u can see im desperate |
| 06:09.44 | MonkeyDLuffy | i finally decided to play wow |
| 06:09.50 | MonkeyDLuffy | but i cant get it to work |
| 06:09.55 | Kirkburn | We don't support private servers at all |
| 06:10.13 | MonkeyDLuffy | its not my intend to play on private server |
| 06:10.24 | Sky2042 | are you trying to login to a private server or onto Blizzard server? |
| 06:10.25 | MonkeyDLuffy | i just checked it to see if blizzard have problems |
| 06:10.31 | MonkeyDLuffy | Blizzard |
| 06:10.45 | MonkeyDLuffy | but i have the same problem on any server |
| 06:10.57 | Sky2042 | hmm... |
| 06:11.03 | Sky2042 | MonkeyDLuffy: have you tried reinstalling? |
| 06:11.09 | MonkeyDLuffy | 3 times |
| 06:11.32 | Sky2042 | hmm... |
| 06:11.41 | MonkeyDLuffy | i have installed all patches |
| 06:11.49 | Sky2042 | have you checked forums.worldofwarcraft.com ? |
| 06:11.50 | MonkeyDLuffy | also put 3724 on my router |
| 06:11.54 | MonkeyDLuffy | yes |
| 06:11.59 | MonkeyDLuffy | for hours |
| 06:12.06 | MonkeyDLuffy | cant find anything to solve my problem |
| 06:12.26 | MonkeyDLuffy | some ppl hade the Authenticating problem |
| 06:12.30 | MonkeyDLuffy | but only for some hours |
| 06:12.42 | MonkeyDLuffy | me its my first time trying to play |
| 06:12.48 | MonkeyDLuffy | and cant get past this msg |
| 06:13.03 | Sky2042 | MonkeyDLuffy: I called Customer Service, or post to the customer service board. |
| 06:13.28 | MonkeyDLuffy | i dont think i can Call Customer Server since im from greece |
| 06:13.59 | MonkeyDLuffy | service* |
| 06:14.02 | Sky2042 | is your copy of WoW legit? |
| 06:14.06 | Kirkburn | I think you can send emails? |
| 06:14.21 | MonkeyDLuffy | i have downloaded the client from Wow.eu |
| 06:14.26 | MonkeyDLuffy | its a trial |
| 06:14.33 | MonkeyDLuffy | but full client |
| 06:14.47 | Kirkburn | And you've signed up for a trial account? |
| 06:14.54 | MonkeyDLuffy | yes |
| 06:15.20 | Kirkburn | Yeah, actually that shouldn't matter - otherwise it would say "username and password incorrect" |
| 06:15.33 | MonkeyDLuffy | thats right |
| 06:15.36 | Kirkburn | I can only suggest sending an email |
| 06:15.54 | Kirkburn | Or perhaps talking to your ISP |
| 06:16.09 | MonkeyDLuffy | some other ppl also told me that |
| 06:16.21 | MonkeyDLuffy | but i cant imagine talking to this ppl about WoW |
| 06:16.32 | MonkeyDLuffy | proly the wont even know what it is |
| 06:16.51 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 06:17.07 | MonkeyDLuffy | god why me |
| 06:17.10 | MonkeyDLuffy | ffs |
| 06:17.30 | MonkeyDLuffy | and i was thinking about playing wow for a while |
| 06:17.36 | Kirkburn | Firewall, router, ISP, Blizzard, those are the reasons I can think of |
| 06:17.47 | Sky2042 | server |
| 06:17.53 | Sky2042 | s/server/Blizzard/ |
| 06:17.59 | Sky2042 | >.> |
| 06:18.01 | Kirkburn | That's possible, but not for such a long amount of time |
| 06:18.07 | Sky2042 | and client side, also |
| 06:18.37 | Kirkburn | Trial clients are no different to normal clients though |
| 06:18.39 | MonkeyDLuffy | Firewall = i Disabled everything / Router = added ports / ISP = they dont know shit about what they are doing |
| 06:18.52 | Sky2042 | MonkeyDLuffy: I would definintely post to the Customer Service forum boards. |
| 06:19.08 | Kirkburn | Aye, that is a good idea |
| 06:19.10 | MonkeyDLuffy | but dont i have to buy an acount first and then post there ? |
| 06:19.18 | Sky2042 | MonkeyDLuffy: don't think so. |
| 06:20.14 | Kirkburn | MonkeyDLuffy, you could also try the Repair.exe program in the WoW folder |
| 06:20.29 | Kirkburn | That will check that all the files are present and correct |
| 06:25.31 | MonkeyDLuffy | also |
| 06:25.35 | MonkeyDLuffy | when i install |
| 06:25.39 | MonkeyDLuffy | the patches |
| 06:25.53 | MonkeyDLuffy | or luch . Luncher.exe |
| 06:25.56 | MonkeyDLuffy | i get this msg |
| 06:25.58 | MonkeyDLuffy | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:26.10 | MonkeyDLuffy | but it runs ok |
| 06:30.22 | Kirkburn | Weir |
| 06:30.24 | Kirkburn | ..d |
| 06:30.57 | MonkeyDLuffy | my pc is possesed |
| 06:30.58 | MonkeyDLuffy | ffs |
| 06:31.06 | MonkeyDLuffy | hmm |
| 06:31.11 | MonkeyDLuffy | do you think that |
| 06:31.14 | MonkeyDLuffy | whenever |
| 06:31.18 | MonkeyDLuffy | i try to add new patch |
| 06:31.26 | MonkeyDLuffy | it tries to unistall older ones |
| 06:31.38 | MonkeyDLuffy | but it cant ( thats why i get the "Uninstall.xml" could not be read.) |
| 06:31.39 | MonkeyDLuffy | and then |
| 06:31.43 | MonkeyDLuffy | when i try to play wow |
| 06:32.02 | MonkeyDLuffy | it says that its 2.3.3 but in fact its older version no unistalled |
| 06:32.12 | MonkeyDLuffy | does that maky any sense ? |
| 06:32.46 | Kirkburn | Not really |
| 06:33.00 | Kirkburn | It just sound really odd |
| 06:33.09 | Sky2042 | MonkeyDLuffy: intriguiging theory |
| 06:33.12 | Kirkburn | Would definitely try repair.exe |
| 06:33.25 | MonkeyDLuffy | hmm |
| 06:33.37 | MonkeyDLuffy | i did that a while ago |
| 06:33.44 | MonkeyDLuffy | but i guess one more wont hurt |
| 06:34.30 | Kirkburn | If it couldn't uninstall the previous version, it wouldn't be able to install a newer one (it replaces the fileS) |
| 06:36.36 | MonkeyDLuffy | ugh |
| 06:37.14 | MonkeyDLuffy | i will go get conforted by playing dota |
| 06:37.18 | MonkeyDLuffy | i cant stant this |
| 06:37.32 | Sky2042 | DotA's a good way to do it. |
| 06:37.44 | Sky2042 | I encourage you to email / post to Blizzard. |
| 06:38.02 | MonkeyDLuffy | hmm |
| 06:38.11 | MonkeyDLuffy | i have read so much articles |
| 06:38.15 | MonkeyDLuffy | in so many forums |
| 06:38.28 | MonkeyDLuffy | i am not sure they will say anything new to me |
| 06:38.59 | Sky2042 | they might, they might not. post the specific issue, what you've done to try and fix it, and what you've thought could be the issue. |
| 06:43.27 | Kirkburn | Btw, what OS are you on? |
| 06:44.11 | MonkeyDLuffy | im using Windows XP |
| 06:45.37 | MonkeyDLuffy | PC = Intel Pentioum4 2.6 / 1gb ram / Radeon 9200. |
| 06:45.52 | MonkeyDLuffy | also |
| 06:45.57 | MonkeyDLuffy | about the port thing |
| 06:46.18 | MonkeyDLuffy | if i am able to host games on bnet. If i forward the 3 |
| 06:46.27 | kd3 | bnet and wow are on diff ports |
| 06:46.34 | kd3 | wow's 3724 |
| 06:46.36 | MonkeyDLuffy | 3724 with the same way as bnet isnt it gona be ok ? |
| 06:46.37 | MonkeyDLuffy | yes |
| 06:46.39 | MonkeyDLuffy | i know |
| 06:46.51 | MonkeyDLuffy | i mean if i do it the same way like bnet ports |
| 06:47.00 | MonkeyDLuffy | then wow should be working |
| 06:47.01 | Sky2042 | comp looks fine. |
| 06:47.02 | MonkeyDLuffy | right ? |
| 06:47.05 | Sky2042 | yah |
| 06:47.12 | MonkeyDLuffy | so the port thing |
| 06:47.15 | MonkeyDLuffy | is not an issue |
| 06:47.23 | MonkeyDLuffy | there is gota be something else |
| 06:47.26 | MonkeyDLuffy | .... |
| 07:15.24 | kd3 | ok. think I'm done spamming rc for the night |
| 07:34.39 | Sky2042 | hrm |
| 07:44.56 | Fisker- | o hai |
| 08:16.21 | Dotted | Fisker- |
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| 08:22.00 | |Pixel| | 07:46 < MonkeyDLuffy> if i am able to host games on bnet. If i forward the 3 |
| 08:22.02 | |Pixel| | 07:46 < MonkeyDLuffy> 3724 with the same way as bnet isnt it gona be ok ? |
| 08:22.11 | |Pixel| | you shouldn't forward anything |
| 08:22.24 | |Pixel| | you might even disrupt things if you do |
| 08:24.53 | Dotted | owned |
| 08:25.25 | Fisker- | noes |
| 08:25.55 | Fisker- | Someone should leak that IE8 beta soon :< |
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| 08:32.44 | kd3 | gah... fixing http://www.wowwiki.com/Arena_Tournament took forever. |
| 08:38.40 | Fisker- | fixing you is a pleasure |
| 08:43.24 | Dotted | [+Fisker-]: Someone should leak that IE8 beta soon :< <- yes indeed, would be nice to get rid of this IE7 shitty crap i am forced to have installed and impossible to remove due to microsoftness |
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| 08:55.33 | Fisker- | Unfortunately not everyone can read 100 page man pages that's TL;DR and looks like shit in a terminal |
| 08:55.56 | Fisker- | Also it's not impossible to remove |
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| 09:18.54 | Fisker- | btw i hate you Dotted |
| 09:19.01 | Dotted | old news |
| 09:19.12 | Fisker- | not as old as you though |
| 09:35.19 | Dotted | Fisker- so you liked me when i was a kid? Are you a pedophile? |
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| 09:41.14 | Fisker- | Your reading comprehension is as good as your arguments towards Internet Explorer are |
| 09:41.16 | Fisker- | gg |
| 09:44.50 | Lukian | An arena team must do a min of 10 games, or the individual players? |
| 09:48.55 | Sky2042 | Lukian: each player, i think. |
| 09:50.15 | deegan | Yea it's each player. |
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| 10:38.12 | Dotted | Fisker- you said the news is not as old as me, so that means you started to hate me sometime earlier - and i guessed it was back when i was a kid. |
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| 11:25.05 | Fisker- | Dotted lets capture people and harass them |
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| 12:24.19 | foxlit | pong |
| 12:34.02 | Fisker- | pang |
| 12:36.19 | foxlit | bang, dead Fisker-. |
| 12:38.40 | Fisker- | :< |
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| 14:45.21 | Ose | hai guise! |
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| 15:46.24 | Ose | d'oh |
| 15:46.55 | Ose | firefox is blocking the image with the code I need to type to register at uncyclopedia... |
| 15:50.16 | equiraptor | heh, oops. |
| 15:51.39 | Ose | slooooooooooowwiki |
| 15:53.55 | Ose | anyho, can anyone tell me how to get AWB to edit wowwiki instead of wikipedia? |
| 15:54.10 | Adys | awb? |
| 15:54.30 | kd3 | the autowikibot. someone's done it, don't remember who... pcj maybe |
| 15:54.45 | Adys | ah |
| 15:55.25 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Adys/OpenWDB |
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| 16:21.42 | Dotted | Fisker- Adys Kirkburn http://ekstrabladet.tv/flash/article970411.ece |
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| 16:22.08 | Kirkburn | Morning |
| 16:22.17 | Adys | kirk! |
| 16:22.30 | Adys | slow loading dotted |
| 16:22.40 | Kirkburn | Adys! In a conference room! |
| 16:22.50 | Dotted | hmm mehbe its on youtube, sec |
| 16:23.03 | Adys | oh no |
| 16:23.22 | Dotted | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkXSsIOSDiM |
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| 16:27.37 | Kirkburn | Standby, the only way I can stop my stupid fans |
| 16:27.53 | Kirkburn | Want. To. Kill. Laptop. |
| 16:28.01 | Ose | Terkel? |
| 16:28.11 | Adys | you should blame microsoft |
| 16:28.23 | Ose | terkel = teh best moviez |
| 16:28.37 | Adys | Dotted: the hell ? :p |
| 16:28.58 | Dotted | Ose yeah, but this one is gonna be more awesome |
| 16:29.03 | Dotted | Adys its pwn |
| 16:29.17 | Dotted | france gets grilled |
| 16:29.24 | Dotted | =P |
| 16:29.29 | Adys | lol |
| 16:30.40 | Ose | how do I interlink to the norwegian wiki? |
| 16:38.35 | Kirkburn | Which one? :) |
| 16:38.47 | Kirkburn | [[Wikia]] should be able to help though |
| 16:39.05 | Adys | dotted |
| 16:39.05 | Dotted | Adys |
| 16:39.07 | Adys | fix newsbot |
| 16:39.16 | Dotted | send money then |
| 16:39.35 | Kirkburn | [[Wikis]], even |
| 16:39.46 | Adys | lol kirk |
| 16:40.01 | Kirkburn | Wikia on the brain |
| 16:40.07 | Kirkburn | And my fan is off again, brb |
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| 16:46.37 | Ose | halp me wif AWB please anyone |
| 16:47.45 | Adys | It's AutoWikiBot, how dare you not know! |
| 16:48.19 | equiraptor | I'm in here because I like IRC, not because I know anything about Wikis! |
| 16:48.19 | equiraptor | :-P |
| 16:48.32 | Adys | oohh |
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| 17:03.31 | PhotoJim | so if you had a mid-20s-level dwarven warrior who needed to raise some cash, what would be the best way? has first aid & fishing at decent levels (expert fisher), so-so but improving mining, so-so but improving engineering. I seem to be really caught in a cash flow crunch. |
| 17:03.45 | PhotoJim | I'm torn between fishing and grinding. |
| 17:03.53 | Adys | mining |
| 17:03.57 | sacarasc | mining |
| 17:04.03 | Ose | auctioneer |
| 17:04.06 | sacarasc | mining is a cash cow |
| 17:04.08 | Adys | google |
| 17:04.12 | Adys | oh wait |
| 17:04.15 | sacarasc | gold sellers |
| 17:04.18 | sacarasc | >.> |
| 17:04.27 | Adys | captain obvious |
| 17:04.28 | PhotoJim | and auction off the metals? |
| 17:04.34 | sacarasc | yeah |
| 17:04.52 | PhotoJim | I've been doing mining whenever I have an opportunity. I figured it wouldn't hurt my cash flow. |
| 17:05.00 | PhotoJim | didn't really click that it was the most efficient though. |
| 17:07.14 | Adys | dont bother levelling engineering while you need cash |
| 17:07.18 | Adys | itll just hurt your wallet |
| 17:09.20 | PhotoJim | interesting |
| 17:09.36 | PhotoJim | I was using it to make some items like copper bombs and selling them, but selling the metal is better huh? |
| 17:09.45 | Adys | yes |
| 17:10.06 | equiraptor | I tend to start new characters on new servers with skinning and one of mining and herbalism. |
| 17:10.11 | equiraptor | Make a ton of cash that way. |
| 17:10.21 | PhotoJim | this is an established server (Gnomeregan) so I can play with friends, which hurts a little. |
| 17:10.29 | PhotoJim | my paladin (26.5) is a skinner. I do well at that. |
| 17:10.39 | PhotoJim | I'm flush in cash, but not flush enough to subsidize Degenhard. :) |
| 17:11.04 | Gourra | can you people tell me what you think of {{Paperdoll}}? I know it's a work in progress, so bear with me |
| 17:11.07 | PhotoJim | and he has leatherworking, so he can do stuff with his leather. |
| 17:11.24 | equiraptor | An established server helps you make money selling low-level mats. |
| 17:11.42 | equiraptor | Because high levels will be power leveling professions, and have lots of cash and be too lazy to gather the stuff themselves. |
| 17:11.46 | PhotoJim | right. |
| 17:11.51 | equiraptor | So sell that ore and/or those bars (whichever goes better). |
| 17:11.55 | PhotoJim | that makes sense. |
| 17:12.32 | equiraptor | One of my chaacters had 50 gold at level 23 thanks to her obsessive selling of stuff. |
| 17:13.01 | Ose | http://auctioneeraddon.com |
| 17:13.13 | equiraptor | ^^^ Yes |
| 17:13.34 | PhotoJim | that's impressive. |
| 17:13.39 | PhotoJim | oh, thanks. |
| 17:14.54 | Ose | Equiraptor <Seller of Stuff> |
| 17:15.04 | Ose | <Stuff Vendor> |
| 17:15.30 | PhotoJim | that does look useful. |
| 17:15.34 | Ose | aren't any AWB users here? |
| 17:15.34 | equiraptor | hehe |
| 17:15.34 | PhotoJim | greatly appreciated. |
| 17:15.55 | PhotoJim | I'm starting to get to the point where I need to think about alternate user interfaces too. my screen on my paladin Cadmon is getting complex :) |
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| 17:18.36 | Ose | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6311-MazzleUI.html |
| 17:19.15 | Ose | ^the best interface with the easiest installation |
| 17:19.32 | Ose | propably gonna get broken with 2.4 tho... |
| 17:20.52 | Gourra | every major patch break the UI. |
| 17:21.18 | Gourra | then there's the people who doesn't know "Load Out-of-date addons" |
| 17:23.16 | PhotoJim | easy is good though. |
| 17:23.25 | PhotoJim | I'm still enough of a n00b. |
| 17:23.47 | PhotoJim | although my wife watched me play the other day and she was shocked that the only thing I do with the mouse is move. I do all my combat with the keyboard. |
| 17:24.21 | Ose | thats the way of teh 1337 h4XX0r |
| 17:25.32 | Ose | http://www.saitek.com/uk/prod/cyborgcommand.htm = teh 133735t h4XX0r |
| 17:26.17 | PhotoJim | u no it |
| 17:26.26 | Ose | nobody can help me getting AWB to work? |
| 17:26.42 | PhotoJim | <- doesn't know what AWB is, unlikely to be of assistance :) |
| 17:26.56 | Ose | nice template gourra (paperdoll) :D |
| 17:27.08 | Gourra | thanks |
| 17:27.23 | Gourra | I'm working to tweak it more, as you can see on the talk page |
| 17:27.34 | Ose | commented :P |
| 17:37.37 | foxlit | And {{imagelink}} is broken on Safari :/ |
| 17:40.49 | pcj | gourra, what about adding item tooltip functionality |
| 17:41.06 | Gourra | yeah that's on my todo list too, forgot about it |
| 17:42.08 | Gourra | foxlit: that hsould be fixed when I figure out how to make tooltips work |
| 17:42.10 | Gourra | should* |
| 17:42.36 | foxlit | Hey, pcj! http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:User_Editcount |
| 17:42.49 | foxlit | Gourra: I don't really see how the two are related |
| 17:43.02 | pcj | Cool |
| 17:43.57 | foxlit | I blame your signature, personally |
| 17:44.23 | Gourra | thing is that I'm trying to make it something like {{item}}, except that "icon=" would be called automatically and tooltip is on the icon |
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| 17:45.40 | Gourra | what do I need to type in to call the tooltip? |
| 17:45.57 | pcj | lol working on it |
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| 17:46.14 | Gourra | lol k |
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| 17:54.43 | pcj | There you go Gourra |
| 17:54.45 | pcj | cache refresh |
| 17:55.24 | Gourra | thanks pcj |
| 17:57.08 | Gourra | only problem now though is that empty equipment slots shows erorrs |
| 17:57.10 | Gourra | errors* |
| 17:57.20 | Gourra | details. |
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| 18:02.17 | Kirkburn | K, so I'm going to DC from IRC for a while |
| 18:02.24 | pcj | Splendid |
| 18:02.30 | Kirkburn | I don't want to spam the channel whilst I scream at this laptop |
| 18:02.34 | Gourra | Awesome |
| 18:02.48 | Kirkburn | SORRY I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER THE FAN |
| 18:03.32 | Kirkburn | Instead I will spam only Messenger and Skype with join messages :) |
| 18:03.42 | Kirkburn | See ya'll later |
| 18:04.05 | foxlit | voidwalkers need better pathing |
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| 18:04.28 | Kirkburn | Ooh, I could start playing WoW in here :P |
| 18:08.43 | foxlit | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP59Y2QLOUI&NR=1 |
| 18:08.47 | foxlit | there we go, entropy |
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| 18:40.23 | Gourra | Ose: success! |
| 18:40.28 | Gourra | see {{Paperdoll}} again |
| 19:06.44 | pcj | gourra, paperdoll no longer requires icon to be specified and handles empty slots better |
| 19:12.29 | Gourra | thanks alot pcj |
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| 20:48.43 | Ose | hooray gourra! |
| 20:48.52 | Gourra | :P slow |
| 20:49.19 | Ose | afk :P |
| 20:50.39 | Ose | pcj, can you tell me how to get AWB to edit wowwiki instead of wikipedia? |
| 20:51.14 | pcj | no, i don't use AWB |
| 20:52.17 | Ose | aww... |
| 20:52.41 | Ose | your name came up earlier when I asked |
| 20:52.48 | Ose | sky here? |
| 20:55.36 | kd3 | you may want to ask on the village pump |
| 20:56.30 | Ose | check paperdoll comments |
| 20:56.33 | Ose | kk |
| 21:07.13 | Ose | ~seen Sky2042 |
| 21:07.14 | infobot | sky2042 <n=Sky2042@wikimedia/Izno> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowwiki, 11h 18m 19s ago, saying: 'Lukian: each player, i think.'. |
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| 21:19.21 | Ose | think there is any interest in turning the content of http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Ose/Sandbox/Exalted into actual user templates? |
| 21:21.09 | amro | you could add them to http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:List_of_user_templates |
| 21:22.20 | Ose | yeah, but is there any need for them? do people want even more templates on their pages? |
| 21:31.04 | foxlit | paperdoll: Pre-expand include size: 545629 bytes |
| 21:31.11 | foxlit | teehee |
| 21:39.04 | kd3 | oO; |
| 21:53.05 | amro | what the |
| 21:53.06 | amro | "Your PayPal will be automatically billed on December 28, 2007 1:01 AM PST" |
| 21:55.59 | Ose | lol |
| 21:56.29 | Ose | been clicking them bad links? |
| 21:58.48 | amro | no that's from my WoW account page |
| 21:59.06 | amro | guess that means I can now play for free, forever. |
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| 22:21.28 | Gourra | foxlit: wut? |
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| 22:41.03 | Vesitin | hey i just thought of something |
| 22:41.32 | Vesitin | Now that Primal nether is going to be unbound, there will be 19 twinks with the 360 Engineering helms. |
| 22:41.38 | Vesitin | or, at least, there could be. |
| 22:42.13 | Vesitin | man. I don't know if I want to grind up engineering on a twink. |
| 22:42.19 | Vesitin | but that'd be friggen awesome. |
| 22:43.18 | equiraptor | Did they remove the level requirement on professions? |
| 22:43.23 | Vesitin | CRAP |
| 22:43.25 | Vesitin | thank you |
| 22:43.32 | Vesitin | you just ruined my plans for being an all-powerful 19-twink. |
| 22:43.48 | Vesitin | Bah. |
| 22:43.49 | equiraptor | Better me now than you discovering it in game while driving to power level engineering. :-P |
| 22:43.55 | Vesitin | good point. |
| 22:44.02 | Vesitin | i would have felt like such a dumbass. |
| 22:44.10 | Vesitin | or I would have made a 59 twink. But 59 twinks are lame. |
| 22:44.11 | equiraptor | Now you just feel like a bit of a dumbass? :) |
| 22:44.39 | equiraptor | I'm just glad to know I'm not hopelessly out of date on professions. :) |
| 22:44.55 | Vesitin | I powerleveled tailoring on my Priest a couple weeks ago. |
| 22:45.06 | PhotoJim | I've been having fun working on my professions lately. |
| 22:45.20 | equiraptor | ok, I think I'm headed home. :) |
| 22:45.23 | equiraptor | See yall in a bit. |
| 22:45.26 | PhotoJim | ciao e. |
| 22:45.27 | Vesitin | I was ticked that I had to keep going back and forth between IF (for AH) and Theramore (for skillups) |
| 22:45.29 | Vesitin | so don't feel bad. |
| 22:46.03 | Vesitin | at around 280 I announced how upset I was with that, when someone whispered saying all azeroth trainers train upto 300 now. |
| 22:46.10 | PhotoJim | bbl |
| 22:46.37 | Vesitin | so what's the max level tradeskill a level 19 can have? |
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| 22:56.37 | Varghedin | Test 1 2 3 |
| 22:56.55 | Sky2042 | Varghedin: !!! |
| 22:57.16 | Varghedin | Heya Sky =) |
| 22:57.24 | Adys | yow v :) |
| 22:57.36 | Varghedin | Salut Adys! |
| 22:57.43 | Adys | hehe |
| 22:58.10 | Varghedin | =P |
| 22:58.44 | Varghedin | Wow this was so much easier than I thought |
| 22:59.17 | Adys | IRC is easy pssh |
| 22:59.17 | Varghedin | Don't even need to start mIRC |
| 22:59.23 | Adys | just idle, flame people randomly, act like the worst person on the earth |
| 22:59.26 | Adys | welcome on #wowwiki! |
| 22:59.38 | Dotted | Adys you ass |
| 22:59.44 | Adys | shut the fuck up |
| 22:59.54 | Dotted | 'die in a fire |
| 22:59.57 | Sky2042 | Varghedin: See above ^ |
| 23:00.05 | Varghedin | O.o |
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| 23:00.14 | Adys | die corgan you noob |
| 23:00.26 | Corgan | fuck off penis face |
| 23:00.28 | Corgan | >:) |
| 23:00.35 | Varghedin | Lol.. Adys is on the warpath |
| 23:00.45 | Adys | See, he adapts fast :D |
| 23:00.56 | Corgan | :D |
| 23:01.07 | Adys | hey varg, seen the OpenWDB draft? |
| 23:01.15 | Varghedin | The whatwho? |
| 23:01.17 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Adys/OpenWDB |
| 23:01.42 | Adys | figured you'd be interested into a project involving over tens of thousands of edits |
| 23:01.52 | Adys | (most botted though) |
| 23:02.08 | Varghedin | Ok.. so what does that thing say in English? |
| 23:02.37 | pcj | Basically, it plans to bog down the wiki with thousands of meaningless pages |
| 23:03.17 | Adys | Varghedin: Redoing the items pages entirely etc :P |
| 23:03.55 | Sky2042 | thousands of meaningless pages?... |
| 23:04.02 | Sky2042 | more english pcj. |
| 23:04.09 | Adys | thousands of meaningful pages |
| 23:04.10 | Varghedin | I'm fine with a bot doing 10000s of edits as long as it means I won't have to do them myself... =D |
| 23:04.22 | Adys | woah easy there, you are? |
| 23:04.47 | Varghedin | Lol.. I mean it's not like I need a higher edit total |
| 23:04.47 | Sky2042 | Adys: let's get a little more definition on that page. |
| 23:04.48 | Adys | Sir EditAlot is actually gonna let us run bots without being jealous? :O |
| 23:04.55 | Adys | lies |
| 23:05.04 | Adys | Sky2042: yah going to |
| 23:05.21 | Adys | I need to finish up the draft and get some working examples |
| 23:05.22 | Varghedin | Bots are nice... if they behave :) |
| 23:05.46 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Adys/Item:-1/XML is a realistic approach to a default doc |
| 23:06.02 | Adys | and http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Adys/Item:12345/XML to a random item XML |
| 23:06.45 | Varghedin | What would that look like graphically? |
| 23:07.05 | Adys | The same as what we have right now, with more info on the page, and everything automatized |
| 23:07.09 | Adys | if thats even a word |
| 23:07.46 | Adys | Basically, I want to catch up on the time I lost working on other stuff than the wiki. :P |
| 23:08.01 | Varghedin | I was wondering where you'd gone |
| 23:08.12 | Adys | working on non-wow stuff mostly hehe |
| 23:08.29 | Varghedin | A different wiki? |
| 23:08.46 | Vesitin | You've been unfaithful? |
| 23:08.54 | Adys | Nah, google-related projects mostly :p |
| 23:09.01 | Varghedin | Lol |
| 23:09.10 | Vesitin | what do i want to do... |
| 23:09.15 | Vesitin | hmm |
| 23:09.30 | Vesitin | Do I want to build a twink? Or do I want to PVP? Or farm? |
| 23:09.31 | Varghedin | I was hoping that insane zealot of a fellow Norwegian didn't chase you off |
| 23:09.56 | *** join/#wowwiki Liothen (n=liothen@72.24.191.164) |
| 23:09.56 | Adys | I like him :P |
| 23:10.07 | Adys | As long as he stays the fuck away from editing that is <cough> |
| 23:10.11 | Varghedin | Lol |
| 23:10.23 | Varghedin | He's probably a neo nazi or something |
| 23:10.43 | Adys | <shrugs> |
| 23:10.45 | Adys | Dont wanna know |
| 23:11.08 | Varghedin | Aye.. he's gone now anyway |
| 23:11.20 | Adys | He still hangs around in the chan once in a while :P |
| 23:11.39 | Varghedin | Oh =P |
| 23:11.59 | Varghedin | Hey Sky |
| 23:12.20 | Sky2042 | Varghedin: hmm? |
| 23:12.26 | Adys | btw varg, /msg nickserv register password |
| 23:13.37 | Varghedin | I was thinking about Category:Eye... it sounds a bit odd... and it also sounds like a supergroup of Category:Floating Eyes and Category:Eyes of Kilrogg etc. What about Category:The Eye? I think the otherwise infamous 'the' fits in this particular case |
| 23:13.57 | Adys | that again wtf |
| 23:14.06 | Adys | you guys didnt settle it in months of abscence? :P |
| 23:14.12 | Adys | category:Tempest Keep |
| 23:14.44 | Varghedin | bah.. I gave it a bad password :( |
| 23:14.46 | Sky2042 | should probably be Cat:The Eye (Tempest Keep) |
| 23:14.59 | kd3 | you can change it... /msg nickserv help set |
| 23:15.00 | Sky2042 | as there are other instances of the words "The Eye" |
| 23:15.19 | Varghedin | There are, but they are not in the game and may never be |
| 23:15.30 | Varghedin | And if they are, they will probably be named something else |
| 23:15.37 | Sky2042 | I doubt it. |
| 23:15.39 | kd3 | which is why [[Eye]] and [[The Eye]] both redirect to [[Eye (Tempest Keep)]]... |
| 23:15.41 | Adys | wouldnt be so sure |
| 23:15.53 | Adys | eye of the storm itself is confusing |
| 23:16.02 | Varghedin | Just look at Isle of Quel'Danas... Blizz can name things whatever they want |
| 23:16.15 | Adys | Blizz could do so much :P |
| 23:16.45 | Varghedin | I don't like paranthesis in categories.. looks messy |
| 23:16.49 | Sky2042 | Varghedin: well, that name was alread in the lore. |
| 23:16.52 | Sky2042 | >.> |
| 23:17.00 | Sky2042 | they pulled that from the RPG |
| 23:17.06 | Adys | so much for the lore |
| 23:17.13 | Adys | Category: Tempest Keep :P |
| 23:17.13 | Varghedin | It was yes.. but they never mentioned that it was the same place as the sunwell isle |
| 23:17.26 | Varghedin | including in the rpg |
| 23:18.18 | Varghedin | Category:Eye of Tempest Keep? |
| 23:18.20 | Varghedin | bleh |
| 23:18.58 | foxlit | Hah, we're finaly done |
| 23:18.58 | Sky2042 | Hmm... |
| 23:19.04 | Sky2042 | foxlit: ? |
| 23:19.17 | foxlit | TK, SSC, BT, HY cleared with one spare day in the raid week left |
| 23:19.30 | Sky2042 | ah |
| 23:19.33 | foxlit | [and Illidan was a thing of beauty] |
| 23:20.03 | Varghedin | And I'll never see him :( |
| 23:20.13 | foxlit | why not? |
| 23:20.20 | foxlit | Meh, Illidan himself was hideous |
| 23:20.25 | foxlit | Execution was a thing of beauty :) |
| 23:20.27 | Adys | lol |
| 23:20.44 | Sky2042 | Varghedin: "eh". I'd go with The Eye |
| 23:20.48 | Adys | I stopped lamenting myself over not seeing raid content in BC after seeing what they did to it |
| 23:20.53 | foxlit | (and, frankly, "casuals" do not realize what kind of noises not doing end-game raiding saves them from hearing) |
| 23:20.56 | Sky2042 | we can cross that bridge when we come to that river. |
| 23:21.01 | Varghedin | I'm too casual a player to get geared up for anything that high-end |
| 23:21.17 | foxlit | Meh |
| 23:21.24 | foxlit | They're practically giving people free epics |
| 23:21.25 | Adys | (varg? casual? heres something new again) |
| 23:21.36 | Adys | and yeah what foxlit said |
| 23:21.41 | Varghedin | what do you mean noises? |
| 23:22.02 | foxlit | His "ohnoes, they hit me with a sharp stick" noise is unbearable |
| 23:22.04 | Adys | Drama and shitty raid sounds |
| 23:22.24 | kd3 | whee for drop-in replacement sounds in the Data directory |
| 23:22.34 | Varghedin | Lol I edit the wiki a lot more than I play wow .. how sad is that? |
| 23:22.35 | Sky2042 | Varghedin: you really should make a bot account xD |
| 23:22.37 | Adys | Hey foxlit, which class do you play? |
| 23:22.37 | kd3 | had to do that for gruul when we were initially learning him and they added the porn effects |
| 23:22.38 | foxlit | Probably the worst thing since Gruul's moaning |
| 23:22.40 | foxlit | Druid |
| 23:22.43 | Adys | hehe |
| 23:22.49 | Adys | I played mage, you're getting all the fun |
| 23:22.54 | Sky2042 | Varghedin: I haven't played WoW in 14 months... ;_; |
| 23:22.56 | foxlit | I played a mage at 60 |
| 23:22.58 | Sky2042 | how sad is that? |
| 23:23.01 | foxlit | And I'm playing a virtual mage now |
| 23:23.01 | Adys | WhuuuuuuuuSHOMP. WhuuuuuuuuSHOMP. WhuuuuuuuuSHOMP. WhuuuuuuuuSHOMP. |
| 23:23.14 | Varghedin | Wow Sky |
| 23:23.50 | Varghedin | I should indeed make a bot account.. but I'm completely green when it comes to that kind of stuff |
| 23:24.17 | Adys | actually I havent really played since april.. apart from some mindless levelling i gave up on past 60 anyway |
| 23:24.23 | Sky2042 | Varghedin: just make a new account. Varghbot or something like that. |
| 23:24.32 | Sky2042 | then ask Kirkburn or Fandyllic to give it a bot tag. |
| 23:24.54 | Sky2042 | proceed to running bot on bot account, editing normal on normal account |
| 23:24.56 | Sky2042 | ;] |
| 23:24.57 | foxlit | I've got a zergling on a stick! |
| 23:25.01 | Adys | No use sky |
| 23:25.11 | Adys | we should just flag varg as a bot now and get done with it |
| 23:25.23 | Adys | (zing.) |
| 23:25.33 | Sky2042 | Adys: lol. |
| 23:25.40 | Sky2042 | Adminbot... scary thought. |
| 23:25.42 | Sky2042 | :P |
| 23:26.21 | Varghedin | But I don't know how to tell the bot what to do |
| 23:26.26 | Adys | Can I get feedback on what is still unclear on http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Adys/OpenWDB? |
| 23:26.29 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Adys/OpenWDB * |
| 23:27.03 | Sky2042 | i wish more of the regulars would pop on irc more often ;_; |
| 23:27.14 | Varghedin | Lol Adys... I feel botty when I mass edit =/ |
| 23:27.24 | Adys | I know how it is, believe me :P |
| 23:27.40 | kd3 | varg; meh, don't we all? did you see the RC spam I caused last night? |
| 23:28.04 | Sky2042 | Adys: what is still unclear: it's not written for english speakers. :P :P |
| 23:28.11 | kd3 | ~60 items and their enchants in an hour and a half or so |
| 23:28.13 | Sky2042 | is the bot creating pages? is there going to be a new namespace? 4? |
| 23:28.15 | Adys | What dont you understand :P |
| 23:28.23 | Adys | ok |
| 23:28.52 | Varghedin | Adys: To me, that just looks like "SKJ WLAJ WORJ SALDFK WRH WEW WRI FSLØ AWHR FWH WRL" |
| 23:29.07 | Sky2042 | what's the implementation going to be like? is it meant to replace tooltip? reside along side it? |
| 23:29.10 | Adys | Æ⋅øk’„€z‘¡ø“x©v„vœ“Æk“ |
| 23:29.14 | Sky2042 | exactly. |
| 23:30.09 | kd3 | whee, sunwell's open again |
| 23:31.15 | Varghedin | My account was canceled on the same day the sunwell went to test >< |
| 23:31.24 | kd3 | feb1? ouch |
| 23:32.00 | Varghedin | I'll reactivate in a couple of weeks prolly |
| 23:32.18 | Sky2042 | hmm.. |
| 23:32.29 | Sky2042 | someone needs to go about and standardize the guild progression tables :/ |
| 23:33.00 | foxlit | No point |
| 23:33.03 | Varghedin | I'm not touching anything guild-related |
| 23:33.16 | Sky2042 | foxlit: yes point. |
| 23:33.49 | foxlit | Throw some paint at the global list, maybe |
| 23:33.57 | foxlit | Touch stuff in Server:? Nah |
| 23:34.17 | Sky2042 | lol |
| 23:34.18 | Sky2042 | wimp. |
| 23:34.37 | foxlit | Point is, we do not keep those up to date |
| 23:34.45 | foxlit | So the best we can do about them is to provide some sane examples |
| 23:34.54 | Sky2042 | o_o |
| 23:35.04 | *** part/#wowwiki genmud (n=genmud@about/windows/regular/genmud) |
| 23:37.48 | foxlit | who uses that crap? |
| 23:38.03 | Sky2042 | foxlit: ? |
| 23:40.27 | Adys | ok |
| 23:40.30 | Adys | a quick sum up |
| 23:40.30 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Adys/OpenWDB/Process |
| 23:40.35 | foxlit | Those templates |
| 23:40.38 | foxlit | "Nothing links here" |
| 23:40.41 | Adys | Varghedin, Sky2042 etc |
| 23:41.14 | *** join/#wowwiki Charitwo (n=Charitwo@wikia/Charitwo) |
| 23:41.40 | Sky2042 | I would disagree with "never erroneous" on the principle that Blizzard can be pretty stupid sometimes... |
| 23:41.41 | Sky2042 | :P |
| 23:41.58 | Sky2042 | hmm |
| 23:41.58 | Adys | When blizzard is dumb, i write the dumbness on the wiki |
| 23:42.09 | Adys | to me its exact as it appears :P |
| 23:42.30 | Varghedin | Is this only in regards to items? Not mobs, subzones, etc? |
| 23:42.38 | Adys | This also goes for spell articles, and so on. (NB, Adys: I'll make a full list when I get some time.) |
| 23:42.45 | foxlit | That has ToU violation written all over it? |
| 23:42.53 | Adys | No it doesnt |
| 23:43.11 | Sky2042 | foxlit: he's talking the same things the Item DBs already do. |
| 23:43.11 | Adys | that will be items, spells, mobs, zones, subzones, spell effects |
| 23:43.17 | foxlit | And? |
| 23:43.20 | Varghedin | I'm just concerned that it will create articles with silly levels like thottbot and allakhazam have |
| 23:43.27 | foxlit | Copyrighted material, no license to reproduce... yadda yadda yadda |
| 23:43.36 | kd3 | most of which is already on the wiki |
| 23:43.40 | Varghedin | Gnoll, level 6-60... O.o |
| 23:43.42 | Adys | yeah, what kd3 said |
| 23:43.48 | foxlit | " information that is currently not available ... on any popular database." |
| 23:43.49 | Adys | Varghedin: Nah |
| 23:44.03 | Adys | foxlit: Because popular databases are dumb, Ive been there |
| 23:44.31 | Varghedin | I've always wondered why they behave like that |
| 23:44.40 | Adys | have a look at http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Adys/Item:-1/XML |
| 23:44.49 | Adys | tons of stuff here is not on dbs yet could be used |
| 23:44.53 | Varghedin | Thottbot especially.. might have like different pages describing the exact same item or mob |
| 23:45.08 | foxlit | throw some examples |
| 23:45.08 | Adys | Vargh, would be long to explain, but in short there is three kind of data |
| 23:45.30 | Adys | Clientside data (DBCs), which is accessible as long as you got the client |
| 23:45.43 | Adys | Serverside, cached data (WDBs), which is downloaded as you play |
| 23:46.13 | Adys | And serverside, non cached data, which dbs go through lots of trouble to gather (through the UI usually) |
| 23:46.40 | Adys | The reason behind thottbot being so erroneous is because its client sucked for a while and nothing has been cleaned up |
| 23:47.01 | Adys | WoWWiki wont go and gather data through the UI |
| 23:47.21 | Adys | so stuff like mob locations (probably) wont be up |
| 23:47.29 | Sky2042_afk | how will WoWWiki gather data? |
| 23:47.29 | Varghedin | Makes sense |
| 23:47.35 | pcj | Wait, so how would this be presented for the average user? |
| 23:47.38 | Sky2042_afk | beating armory over the head or something? |
| 23:47.39 | Adys | Sky2042_afk: Thats my job? :P |
| 23:47.45 | Varghedin | lol |
| 23:47.49 | Adys | pcj: The same way as it is right now |
| 23:48.15 | pcj | How...exciting |
| 23:48.16 | Sky2042_afk | Adys: might want to continue to add this to your English version, or perhaps at the bottom of your non-English version. ;{ |
| 23:48.18 | Adys | Pretty much nothing will change, apart that more info will be available |
| 23:48.18 | Sky2042_afk | ;P |
| 23:48.32 | foxlit | Building a _database_ on top of a _wiki_ is inherently silly, though |
| 23:48.42 | Adys | yeah thats why we stopped a year ago |
| 23:48.51 | Adys | and thats eventually also why we got parser functions, remember ? |
| 23:49.10 | Adys | I got this designed from the ground up since ages, tekkub wanted to do a lot of it too |
| 23:49.37 | Adys | and i know some others started designing stuff too (tusva) |
| 23:50.04 | foxlit | Your design appears... odd |
| 23:50.05 | Adys | I agree building a db over a wiki is silly, thats why wikia is gonna modify some stuff, I dont want to annihilate the servers a second time |
| 23:50.24 | Adys | nah fox its just incomplete but I dont know what to add to the article :P |
| 23:51.00 | foxlit | "It will also give advantages such as allowing other users to recreate item tooltips without having to go though a specific database. " |
| 23:51.06 | Adys | outside of the wiki |
| 23:51.07 | foxlit | We'd be a "specific database" in that case |
| 23:51.12 | foxlit | so nothing new there |
| 23:51.16 | Adys | No |
| 23:51.29 | Adys | Databases close down their XML for a reason dont you think |
| 23:51.48 | foxlit | Mostly because they don't run on XML |
| 23:52.04 | Adys | details |
| 23:52.09 | foxlit | And coding data -> XML transformers for use by third parties is pointless |
| 23:52.28 | Adys | its not the primary use, just a benefit |
