IRC log for #wowwiki on 20080222

00:00.16foxlitYou're welcome to manually remove it
00:00.16Kirkburn|afkI think AFKTempete is saying similar to me - that it will have to be the community that agrees to add it, not any of us on this channel
00:00.22AFKTempeteIf pcj did it, I wouldn't care, but if you do, I'd have a problem with it :P
00:00.32pcjheheh
00:00.37foxlitI mean, neutrality and everything? :)
00:00.51AFKTempeteit's the best we could do.
00:00.54pcjbbiab
00:00.58AFKTempeteUnless you have another suggestion?
00:02.14AFKTempeteBut, all-in-all, I don't think dcramer[] and a curse admin/mod are good enough cause to go making a decision on this, anyway.
00:02.26AFKTempeteIf we hear more about it in the future, sure, though.
00:02.40Cairenn(6:58:03 PM) dcramer[]: ya i ignore the site war stuff though :) *chokes*
00:02.52AFKTempetehehe cai
00:02.54Kirkburn|afkBring it up on the wiki, if you dare :)
00:03.37Adysze pillow it doesnt do nothing
00:03.50Adysjesus are they actually adding the 2 ring
00:03.59Adysway to ruin the wotlk page
00:03.59Cairenndoes to! starts a pillow fight, and who knows where that might end ^_-
00:04.23Adysspeaking of pillows
00:04.25AdysIm off to bed
00:04.27Adysgood night
00:04.31Cairennsweet dreams :)
00:04.33Kirkburn|afkG'night
00:05.26AFKTempetenight night Adys :)
00:06.08AFKTempetesweet frenchy dreams!
00:06.22Kirkburn|afkLots of baguettes?
00:06.34AFKTempetehon-hon-hon!
00:06.40Kirkburn|afk:P
00:07.41TecnoBratlol
00:08.54[NewsBot]WoW Insider: Badges for dailies - http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/02/21/badges-for-dailies/
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00:19.36dcramer[]virgin atlantic has london->us city direct flights for $220-500 per way
00:19.38dcramer[]err
00:19.39dcramer[]$220-300
00:19.44dcramer[]time to go to london ! :D
00:25.06[NewsBot]WoW Insider: GDC08: Pardo and others on the future of MMOs - http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/02/21/gdc08-pardo-and-others-on-the-future-of-mmos/
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01:05.00[NewsBot]WoW Insider: Official word on classic servers for WoW - http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/02/21/official-word-on-classic-servers-for-wow/
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01:26.58kd3oh whee. wonder if we get to screw with ragnaros again
01:27.03kd3http://www.wowwiki.com/Twilight_Correspondence
01:28.54[NewsBot]WoW Insider: Midsummer Fire Festival now active on the PTR - http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/02/21/midsummer-fire-festival-now-active-on-the-ptr/
01:33.10Sandwichman2448The datamined frostlord is still not good.
01:33.34kd3hm? she's active on the PTR now. I'm probably about to go kill her
01:33.55Sandwichman2448NOT DATAMINED!
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01:44.39Sandwichman2448[[Ahune]]
01:44.40[NewsBot]Sandwichman2448 meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Ahune
01:45.22Sandwichman2448What?
01:46.23Sandwichman2448kd3, is it a he or her?
01:46.40kd3dunno. it's elemental, so I should probably refer to it as an "it"
01:46.54Sandwichman2448Read the letter you put. It says he.
01:49.42Sandwichman2448Eh. i fixed it.
01:49.48Sandwichman2448sorry.
01:54.51Sandwichman2448Fan fiction hurts people.
01:57.20[NewsBot]MMO Champion: Season 4, 2.4 Item changes, blue posts - http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=4573.0
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02:03.56sacarasci am lucky...
02:04.30Sandwichman2448Why?
02:04.34sacarasci just got called in to heroic Botanica just before Laj, then got the boots drop on Warp Splinter and i was the only mail wearer
02:04.44Sandwichman2448Yay 4 u!
02:05.13Sandwichman2448[[Talk:Tuskarr#Animations]]
02:05.14[NewsBot]Sandwichman2448 meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Tuskarr#Animations
02:05.19sacarascthough that's probably my luck quota for the next 3 weeks gone
02:06.00Sandwichman2448:(
02:09.47Sandwichman2448Gratz on the boots...
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03:22.34pcjanyone know of a buff reminder mod
03:23.53sacarascbut it's a good idea
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03:25.32pcjct_buffmod kind of did what i wanted as far as that but it sucks otherwise
03:28.24sacaraschax it up
03:29.35pcji'm not good at LUA
03:30.26pcjbesides i'd rather have something a bit more comprehensive
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04:36.21DuTempeteSo, are we behaving?
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04:49.06KeolahDing! Level 70 (again)! :P
04:50.43Sky2042oh, wait, damn that whole conflict of interest thing.
04:52.05Sky2042DuTempete: we behave?
04:53.00DuTempeteconflict of interest, Sky2042 ?
04:58.14Sky2042our WOWDB want-to-adder.
04:58.39DuTempetehehe yeah, no kidding
04:59.13Sky2042It's like "Oh, I want it added. But not really. Oh, btw, I'm the lead designer." Wtf?
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05:05.51Dottedlol
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05:20.20KeolahNow that my pally has attained level 70, I would like one nether drake mount and a plate of egg rolls. I think the latter will prove easier to get :P
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05:39.41DuTempete__...
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05:44.39DuTempetewhy are you slapping me, pcj?
05:45.02pcjbecause i was wondering if that nick was gonna time out too
05:47.19DuTempetenah
05:47.22DuTempetesorry about the spam
05:47.45DuTempeteI'm connected to some moron's unsecured network in my mom's neighbourhood
05:48.02DuTempeteI switched from one that kept getting a low signal
05:48.46DuTempeteI can't use my mom's network since it's WPA, and my wireless card isn't compatible.
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05:59.50DuTempete[[The Horde Brings You:]] <--- anyone heard of this before?
05:59.51[NewsBot]DuTempete meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/The_Horde_Brings_You:
06:00.12DuTempeteI'd not seen them before, and I think the videos qualify as DNP
06:25.37pcjk
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09:31.41foxlithttp://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Sandbox/1
09:31.44foxlitExplain, plx!
09:37.56kd3wtf. that is rather broken
09:38.17kd3guess the parser's treating it as a template with no name?
09:38.27kd3ditch the extraneous {{}} and it acts like it's supposed to
09:39.02foxlitThey're not quite extraneous :)
09:39.13foxlitBut yes, you're right
09:39.23foxlit{{#if:{{{1|}}}|true|false}} evaluates properly
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10:05.53KalrothNoes, he's back. Everyone pretend to work!
10:06.32Kirkburn:O
10:06.34KirkburnNew router :)
10:07.15Adys0:19's net split didnt come back yet...?
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10:09.15Adyshm actually it did, but only partly
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10:13.56KalrothWhich one, Kirky?
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10:22.46Fisker-it is time Adys
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10:27.26[NewsBot]WoW Insider: New PTR daily quest points to new alchemy or jewelcrafting possibilities - http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/02/22/new-ptr-daily-quest-points-to-new-alchemy-or-jewelcrafting-possi/
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10:35.06foxlithm, there's a recurrent theme in wowin comments
10:35.13foxlit"Raiders: stop whining about the gear, because it is a means, not an end. You'll see content that the non-raiders never will. Understand that is your reward, or you will be increasingly unhappy with WoW in the future."
10:35.40foxlit"HAND ME MY EPICS SO I CAN CONTINUE NOT TO SEE THE CONTENT YOU DO"
10:40.55SlackwiseMMO's are shallow games.
10:40.58SlackwiseWhat do you expect...?
10:41.15SlackwiseThe majority of players don't necessarily care for the lore nor the strategy.
10:41.40foxlithttp://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/faq/antigoldselling.html
10:42.04SlackwiseYou can release a game with shiny graphics, zero story, mindless quests, and simple dungeons... and people would buy it and love it.
10:42.06foxlitInteresting :)
10:42.17foxlitmm, shiny graphics!
10:42.33foxlitHey, |Pixel|
10:42.38foxlitsidebars don't render on that page :)
10:43.02foxlitIn fact, they don't render on most pages :(
10:43.04|Pixel|they don't render with "crappy" browsers
10:43.15|Pixel|(ie, browsers that they don't know about)
10:43.37foxlitThat sounds like "crappy" behavior
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10:44.37SlackwiseI give up... ASP has taken my soul.
10:45.07SlackwiseBit by bit, clicking those little widgets and dragging that crap... has destroyed what's left my sanity at 4:45am.
10:45.08Adyswhatever are you doing with that silly language
10:45.13foxlitBut the index page works?
10:45.19SlackwiseASP is not a language. :P
10:45.26Adysits worse
10:45.33SlackwiseYes, itis.
10:45.36Slackwise^it is
10:45.38SlackwiseIt's far worse.
10:45.52SlackwiseAnd being a pre-requisite course for graduation makes it far more painful.
10:45.56Adysits like coding in visual basic in Microsoft Frontpage 2.0
10:46.05SlackwiseAs I 1) don't need it, and 2) already have a job. :P
10:46.12SlackwiseThere's no coding in ASP.
10:46.18SlackwiseThat's what you're forgetting.
10:46.22SlackwiseCoding is optional.
10:46.30SlackwiseASP is the middle grounds between the HTML and the underlying code.
10:46.33Adysi was being sarcastic :P
10:46.48SlackwiseAnd usually developing an ASP site is done with over-complexified interfaces. :/
10:47.02foxlitleaky abstraction is leaky
10:48.09SlackwiseIt's disgusting, really.
10:48.18laurlyhey fox what are the chances you have heard of pat template?
10:48.23SlackwiseAnd these assignments I'm rushing to do, which are due in a few hours... are painful.
10:48.32SlackwiseI looked over them, and thought I could do them in a day. And I could.
10:48.38foxlitnone whatsoever :)
10:48.42SlackwiseThe problem? No code explanation in the book.
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10:48.55SlackwiseThe book goes over the UI elements used to construct the websites.
10:48.59foxlitlaurly: but you can ask a question anyway, I'll fake general knowledge :)
10:49.01SlackwiseAnd, it skips things.
10:49.05laurlywas worth a shot :)
10:49.08SlackwiseLots... of things.
10:49.35foxlitI think ASP is going to eventually go away
10:49.48SlackwiseI think it should go away sooner.
10:50.03foxlitIf MS wins, client-side logic will move to Silverlight or someplace nice where they'd be able to make sure that the element abstraction works
10:50.12Fisker-ASP = WIN
10:50.12SlackwiseIt's not like I can't do what ASP makes clicky for me with a few extra minutes in PHP, Perl, Ruby, or any other language/framework.
10:50.14foxlitIf MS loses, there's always flash
10:50.16laurlyfox we can hope
10:50.52foxlitYou cannot use other .NET code as easily with PHP, Perl, Ruby, or any other language/framework
10:51.23laurlygod im bored and its 30 min till weekend and i dont want to fix this
10:51.52foxlit30 min till weekend?
10:52.02foxlitYou're in GMT+5?
10:52.10Kalroth:(
10:52.12KalrothAh
10:52.22Kalrothlaurly goes home at lunch time!
10:52.24Fisker-o hai?
10:52.25foxlitclearly not, danish IP :P
10:52.33Fisker-whatcha doing Kalroth ?
10:52.43Slackwisefoxlit: Yeaaa, but you could always just dump information from one language into an XML file then parse it with another. ;-)
10:52.47KalrothFisker-: Something very personal!
10:52.57Fisker-:<?
10:53.03foxlitSlackwise: and your servers will cringe
10:53.07KalrothI'm at work, you goon!
10:53.11Fisker-yeah
10:53.12Slackwisefoxlit: Shh. :P
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10:53.17Fisker-i was asking what you do :O
10:53.22KalrothOoh
10:53.25Fisker-since you and laurly is at the same place
10:53.28SlackwiseI'm not going to do any web related shit anyways, because it's a worthless target market.
10:53.31KalrothWe are? :p
10:53.38Fisker-i thought that was what you meant :O
10:53.42Kalrothnono
10:53.54KalrothI tried stalking laurly once, but she doesn't like it.
10:54.10KalrothNope, was just saying why she's got weekend in 30 mins :)
10:54.21Adyshttp://digg.com/pc_games/Portal_2_Confirmed_by_Valve :D
10:54.42KalrothI'm just a measly software developer
10:54.49Fisker-old Adys
10:54.59Adysdont give a damn i was sleeping
10:55.01Fisker-it's drama though
10:55.06Fisker-It's not announced yet
10:55.07foxlitI'm waiting for Portal 17!
10:55.10Fisker-Kim Swift said it was
10:55.17Fisker-so she spilled  the beans
10:55.18foxlits/!/!!/
10:55.52foxlit17 factorial
10:56.09laurlywho needs grammer for coding commenting is for nubs
10:56.15Adyslmao
10:56.21Kalrothlaurly: Spoken like a true programmer!
10:56.22foxlitI'm waiting for Portal 17*16*15*14...*1!
10:56.23Fisker-DO IT
10:56.40foxlitYeah, who needs comments
10:56.44laurlyyou want to support my code learn to code and read it :)
10:57.02Kalrothlaurly: I bet you're a VB coder!
10:57.25laurlycoded a lot of languages but my bot was in VB
10:57.27Adysrude
10:57.33Adysew
10:57.37Adysgross.
10:57.45foxlitMicrosoft.VisualBasic.Lunacy.ObscenelyLongClassPaths.WithManySubTrees.TooLongToFitInOneLine.WillThisEverEnd.Fail
10:57.51laurlya monkey could code vb its easy
10:57.56SlackwiseVB6? Ow.
10:58.05laurlyyeah
10:58.17laurlyshould have done it in C# would have been more fun
10:58.28foxlitShould've done it in lua :P
10:58.30SlackwiseYea, my first was actually... C.
10:58.36laurlybut she wasnt ment to have done what she can do
10:58.40SlackwiseOr my tinkering with Apple BASIC.
10:58.42laurlyfox i dont feel like learning lua
10:58.49foxlitlaurly: you don't learn lua
10:58.50Fisker-http://www.wowwiki.com/Durability
10:58.52foxlitlua learns you :P
10:58.56Fisker-With the armor thing are we just talking being hit
10:59.07Fisker-?
10:59.08SlackwiseGot sucked into Perl, bash, and web programming... then went full circle back into Objective-C, C++, C#, Java, and Assembly.
10:59.28laurlymy boss has this grate idea i should play iwth phython :/
10:59.43SlackwiseNow I just don't care. The language is less important to me, compared to the framework.
10:59.45laurlyassembly gives me a headake
10:59.53SlackwiseAssembly was only for fun. :P
11:00.07SlackwiseNothing like using BIOS interrupts to print repeating text to your screen and booting it with GRUB...
11:00.23laurlyreminds me to much of when i was in collage.....  yes when i went to collage we didnt even have windows on PC's you guys have it made.
11:00.38SlackwiseSo?
11:00.41SlackwiseWho uses Windows?
11:00.44Fisker-<-
11:00.49laurlyremember cobal ?
11:00.49Slackwise:/
11:00.50Fisker-moar like who doesn't?
11:00.57SlackwiseI use everything, really.
11:01.17SlackwiseI've got my Debian webserver at a datacenter, my Ubuntu Server under my desk, and my XP, Vista, and Gentoo workstation.
11:01.20SlackwiseAnd then my PowerBook.
11:01.24Fisker-Then you're also using Windows
11:01.58laurlymy server has debian as well im thinking about reinstalling it to do ubuntu but cba to do it all then i have everyone with webites bitching while its down
11:02.02SlackwiseMaking it sound like Windows made anything easy is bullshit.
11:02.07foxlitBut who uses Leopard_
11:02.09SlackwiseIt doesn't make anything easier at all.
11:02.09foxlit?
11:02.14foxlitHuh... huh? HUH?!
11:02.33laurlyi have vista at work pitty me...........
11:02.40Fisker-The majority of people have only worked with Windows and are used to that
11:02.49foxlitI occasionally get to watch how people with linux distributions connect to a wireless network.
11:03.16SlackwiseThe problem I have is that laurly insinuated that Windows makes things easy for us now, compared to his college days.
11:03.32SlackwiseWhich is doubtful, because now everything is so god damn abstracted away from the real world of Computer Science.
11:03.33foxlitwhat's "us", exactly?
11:03.53laurlyhis?  go back to sex ed class please
11:04.16Lukianfoxlit, can you have ChanServ part?
11:04.23SlackwiseSorry, but "laurly" doesn't sound effeminate tome.
11:04.27SlackwiseNor does it sound masculine.
11:04.28LukianIt's quite annoying that it's spamming up my #wowwiki log
11:04.33laurlyi just think programing was more of a challange back then.  Its so much easer now then it used to be.
11:04.36SlackwiseNor does it sound like--anything.
11:04.41SlackwiseSo my assumption is male, on IRC.
11:04.55foxlitLukian: It's not spamming mine :)
11:05.09Fisker-laurly is a guy
11:05.09Lukianfoxlit, when I'm using chanserv commands
11:05.11Fisker-nananna
11:05.11foxlitI'd say you're connected to a node that keeps netsplitting from the rest of the network
11:05.22Slackwiselaurly: Programming is more of a challenge for most people now, although they do not realize it.
11:05.27foxlitThen live with it :)
11:05.47SlackwiseIt's because the tools make it seem easier, abstract away the work and design, and leave them with a shallow understanding of what they have accomplished.
11:06.01Lukianhmm open a query window for it is good
11:06.05Lukian:)
11:06.16laurlymy guild mates have also tryed to inform me that im not a woman.  "no woman should see the new rambo film" "atthena go download it"
11:07.16SlackwiseI'm not saying you're not a woman, I'm just saying your IRC username isn't "OMGKitty" or "Jessica" so I assume you're male. :P
11:07.47SlackwiseThis assumption works rougly 90% of the time, with a deviation of 10% ;-)
11:08.01laurlygod... would anyone take me serioulsy i if it was or would they all just try and hit on me....
11:08.32SlackwiseDepends on the channel.
11:08.35laurlyi was kill-9 for a few years untill ppl started to get to know linux then all the bots had that name.
11:08.58SlackwisePfft, change your name to int80h and then you'll lose them again. :P
11:09.24laurlylaurly's my old ad&d name from the 80's
11:09.25Slackwiseor 'int0x80'
11:09.49Fisker-hmm
11:09.57Fisker-thought the optimus maximus was more expensive
11:10.01SlackwiseIt's an inside joke for the /harcore/ Linux nerds. :P
11:10.19laurlyi remember a guy on IRc that had that name :)
11:10.26laurly10 years ago
11:10.31SlackwiseActually, I'm debating on whether or not to change my license plate to "INT 80H" or not.
11:10.51SlackwiseBecause 1) it's stealthy and looks like a non-vanity plate, and 2) it's a secret message for the nerds out there. :P
11:11.05SlackwiseBut shhh, don't take my idea...
11:13.27laurlyLOL
11:13.42Slackwise:P
11:17.00laurlyshouldnt unset() dump an array?
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11:19.17foxlitunset clears variables, why should it return anything?
11:20.45laurlyits not clearing it ....
11:21.10foxlitphp_
11:21.16foxlit?
11:21.19laurlyna i say pat template sucks
11:21.20foxlitfu, danish keyboard layout
11:21.21laurlyyeah its php
11:21.45laurlyi figured out how to turn that crap off at home :)
11:22.27foxlitSwitch into it to type stuff
11:22.43foxlitbut damn, did they really have to change location of virtually every special character worth using?
11:25.27laurlyhmm considering that i beleave teh USA created the kbd or ibm did maybe then i would think that its denmark or other countrys that changed it.
11:33.56SlackwiseAlright, time to place 3 alarm cloths at varrying distance from my bed so I will wake up for my exam...
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11:34.05Slackwise^distances
11:34.06foxlit2+2=5
11:34.07SlackwiseGood night.
11:34.10SlackwiseYes.
11:34.16foxlitThat almost got censored as spoilers during my math exam :P
11:34.24Slackwiselol
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11:46.04wdada2ho every one
11:46.07wdada2hi
11:46.25Lukianho Dudice
11:46.51DudiceLukian, can a druid, Tauren can equip mail?
11:47.01Lukianno
11:47.18Lukiannew player? :)
11:47.28Dudiceyup.. noobie.
11:48.05Dudicehow come other players can equip 3 weapons?
11:48.31LukianI assume by 3 you mean the ranged/relic slot?
11:48.41|NEW|Dudiceyup yup
11:48.48Lukianhunters, warriors, rogues can duel wield and used a ranged weapon
11:48.55Lukiandual*
11:49.15|NEW|Dudiceok while druid cant? even a shield?
11:49.31Lukiandruids don't need a shield (or mail) because of the armor bonus from dire bear form
11:49.45Lukianlol just used Dudice
11:49.47Lukianit's fine :)
11:49.51|NEW|dudice|Tauric thx for that info
11:49.58|NEW|dudice|Taurahaha
11:50.12LukianWhat level are you? :D
11:50.21Dudice25...
11:50.23LukianDruid is a good choice for a first character, you can heal, dps or tank.
11:50.34Dudicedps?
11:50.41Lukiandamage dealer
11:50.51Lukian"damage per second", but it's also used as the above
11:51.14Dudiceis dire bear form strong?
11:51.29Dudiceim using cat for right now coz bear form has slow attack
11:51.32Lukiandire bear form is one of the 3 tanking classes in the game
11:51.33Dudiceform*
11:51.54Dudicewhat are the two others?
11:52.09LukianProtection-specced Warrior and Protection-specced Paladin
11:52.48Dudicehmm... ok. is it ok to you that i ask lots of questions?
11:52.54Lukianyeah it's fine
11:53.07LukianI'm just waiting for my roast to cook and downloading some episodes :p
11:53.26Dudiceis weapon affect my damge when im in cat or bear form?
11:53.32Lukianno :)
11:53.40Lukianthe stats are the most important thing
11:53.47Dudiceic so its fine to use on-held items.
11:54.05Lukianyeah, but the stats on those aren't that great for bear or cat
11:54.09Lukian(usually)
11:55.16Dudicewhat stats should i focus? str agi stamina?
11:56.40Lukianyup, you get 2 attack power per point of strength, agility gives you 1ap per point (cat form only) and critical chance and dodge in both. stamina well, hopefully you know what that does by now :)
11:56.59Dudice1 ap?
11:57.03Lukianattack power
11:57.12Dudicehehe noob dudice
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11:57.34Dudiceif u where a druid, what form u will use?
12:00.03foxlitflight!
12:00.27Dudicefoxlit
12:02.00Lukianyou change form based on what you are doing
12:02.15Lukianif you want to kill things fast (and they aren't dealing all that much damage to you) you use cat form
12:02.34Lukianif you want to kill ~3 mobs at once, and not take much damage, you use bear form and swipe
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12:05.21Dudicesorry been disconnected
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12:06.07Dudiceaside from bear form what skills are can only be acquired through a quest?
12:06.26Lukiantravel form
12:06.29[NewsBot]GamePolitics: GDC: Jason Della Rocca Honored as Gaming Ambassador - http://gamepolitics.com/2008/02/22/gdc-jason-della-rocca-honored-as-gaming-ambassador/
12:06.33Lukianunless that's just trained
12:06.50Lukianbeen a while since I've levelled a druid :p
12:07.16Dudicewhat server u playing?
12:07.35LukianJubei'Thos US mostly
12:07.58Dudiceah. is that an official server? international??
12:08.07Dudiceor a private server?
12:08.58LukianUS, thus official :p
12:08.59KalrothPrivate servers are a no-no
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12:09.41KalrothIt's a Kirkburn clone!
12:09.51Lukiankill it!
12:10.04Lukianoh noes! not enough damage, it's copied itself again!
12:10.27KalrothI know, we'll direct the first one to the second one and they'll have to fight each other.
12:11.06Fisker-seal form is a quest too i believe
12:11.17Lukianah yes
12:11.28Dudiceah i see
12:11.50Dudicewhere is the best place to train? lvl 25 druid? tauren?
12:11.54Lukiandid you do that quest? It's obtained at level 16
12:12.11Dudicewhat quest?
12:12.13LukianOrgrimmar? :p
12:12.35Dudicethe elite monsters in Ogrimmar?
12:13.11Lukianhttp://www.wowhead.com/?quest=27
12:13.32Dudicethx for sending the link..
12:13.46Dudiceahh i have this quest but never done this.
12:13.47Lukianoh, my train, you mean level?
12:13.49Lukianby*
12:13.59Lukianhaha yeah, I missed it until about your level too ^_^
12:14.39LukianI suggest you download one of several addons to help you figure out where to quest
12:14.54Lukiana map mod such as Cartographer. Fubar + LocationFu. Tourguide.
12:14.57Dudiceyah now i rember, why i entered here.
12:15.07Dudicei dunno how to use the metamap addons
12:15.12Dudiceaddon*
12:17.41Dudicewhere to download some addons that gives coordinates. and how to use them?\
12:18.08LukianI'll link you
12:20.38Fisker-How many tanks and healers do you need for rage winterchill?
12:23.21Dudicewhat is the best profession for u?
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12:26.57KirkburnLet's try again :P
12:27.41LukianDudice, skinning and leatherworking are good, herbalism and alchemy is also good
12:27.54Lukianjewelcrafting has a very nice stealth trinket for druids
12:28.01Lukianand enchanting is also good :p
12:28.10Dudicestealth trinket means?
12:28.30Lukiandecreases your chance to be seen while prowling in cat form
12:29.28Dudicecan a druid use fist weapon
12:29.30Dudice?
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12:30.22Lukianyes, but there's no good fist weapons for druid
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12:31.36Dudicewhat are god weapons for druids?
12:32.34Dudicegood weapons*
12:32.55Lukianhttp://www.wowhead.com/?items=2&filter=maxrl=25;ub=11;cr=20:22;crs=1:1;crv=0:0
12:32.58Lukianknock yourself out
12:38.00Fisker-FLEE LUKIAN
12:38.00Fisker-FLEE
12:38.05Fisker-BEFORE I LOSE ALL SENSE OF CONTROL
12:38.33Lukianwhat are you going to do? voice me to death/
12:38.53Fisker-:<
12:40.25Kirkburnlol - http://www.rockstargames.com/IV/downloads/posters/LCPD-71-06835.pdf
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12:41.21Fisker-i don't like you Lukian
12:42.56Lukianbut now your face is all l
12:43.03Lukianclean, and you smell lemony fresh
12:43.11Lukianand all the men want to kiss you
12:43.21Fisker-oh
12:43.23Fisker-that's good
12:43.33Fisker-Corgan kiss me
12:50.42Kirkburnhttp://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=gLUojV6saM0
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12:55.48KirkburnRawr, why does the BBC think that news about someone being sent to jail requires sending me a message. What the hell am I going to do about it?
12:56.22KirkburnImpending nuclear attack: yes ... Britney Spears in trouble: no.
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12:57.25KirkburnFinancial crisis on the stock exchange: yes ... McCanns landed at Heathrow: no.
12:58.27KirkburnFisker-, do you do that in real life?
13:01.04Fisker-do what? :o
13:01.14KirkburnRandomly aske people to kiss you :P
13:01.31Fisker-it doesn't work if that's what you're asking :<
13:01.37Kirkburndamn
13:03.12LukianFisker-, pic?
13:03.20Fisker-no u
13:05.00Fisker-oh noes
13:05.09Fisker-they are subverting our democracies
13:05.21Fisker-oh
13:05.22Fisker-old news :<
13:05.30Fisker-thought they had burned the third tanning salloon now
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13:07.16Kirkburn_Chrissakes
13:07.27[NewsBot]WoW Insider: Error reading source feed. - http://www.wowinsider.com/rss.xml
13:08.03Fisker-I still wonder
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13:08.24Fisker-For some reason it's illegal to put out footage of thieves and such
13:08.38Fisker-But apparently it's ok for the police to put out the same kind of footage?
13:08.45Fisker-that's just retarded
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13:10.38Kirkburn_what the hell :/
13:11.06Fisker-you suck
13:11.10DottedFisker- http://nyhederne.tv2.dk/article.php/id-10536941.html
13:12.11Fisker-nice
13:12.26Fisker-troede der var indbygget sikkerhedsting imod sådan noget
13:12.38Fisker-men i det mindste er der mere strøm til os så :D
13:15.26[NewsBot]WoW Insider: Breakfast Topic: Heroic PuGs from hell - http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/02/22/breakfast-topic-heroic-pugs-from-hell/
13:17.16Dottedidd
13:17.23Dottedskrald p dixen
13:17.35Dottedi hope it breaks off tbh
13:21.23DuTempetemooooorning!
13:21.56Dottedafternoons
13:23.19pcjgood morning sunshine
13:24.34DuTempete(#)
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13:26.30[NewsBot]GamePolitics: Researcher Talks Game Violence, Jack Thompson - http://gamepolitics.com/2008/02/22/researcher-talks-game-violence-studies-jack-thompson/
13:39.27[NewsBot]WoW Insider: Anti-gold-seller FAQ page goes up at the official EU site - http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/02/22/anti-gold-seller-faq-page-goes-up-at-the-official-eu-site/
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13:44.42DottedFisker- "Er der nogen der kan fortlle mig hvordan man bner rar filer i Vista?"
13:45.54LukianDotted, English? :p
13:46.12Dottedi no speak englis
13:46.20Lukianhaha
13:46.53LukianWell, I can guess your question and suggest "winrar" if you want :p
13:48.02Dotteddo you know what quotation marks is?
13:48.40Lukianyes?
13:49.01Dottedok
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14:07.47DottedAdys that should obviosly be added to quotes
14:09.37pcj!wwstats
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14:12.47pcjwhat is it equiraptor
14:13.09equiraptorOh, it's mostly just a sight.
14:13.12equiraptorEr, sigh.
14:13.20equiraptorI'm at work and bored and frustrated by crappy DNS hosting.
14:13.33pcj/pat
14:13.46equiraptorSomebody else's domain, but I can't chat with some of my friends because I can't connect to the irc server because it doesn't have an IP address right now. Lamers.
14:13.51equiraptorhehe, thanks. :)
14:14.07equiraptorI did try to dig up an IP, and it looks like IRC isn't listening on that IP anyway.
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14:28.35Gourraoh it's just lovely how many stupid Laurly bot tags there are.
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14:35.06foxlit[[Delete all Database-related content not used in articles/vote]]
14:35.07[NewsBot]foxlit meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Delete_all_Database-related_content_not_used_in_articles/vote
14:46.27[NewsBot]GamePolitics: Did This Document Bring Florida Supreme Court’s Wrath Down Upon Jack Thompson? - http://gamepolitics.com/2008/02/22/did-this-document-bring-florida-supreme-courts-wrath-down-upon-jack-thompson/
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14:48.32pcjwb dutempete
14:51.13KirkburnHoly hell, you gotta see that GP article ^
14:51.29KirkburnThe attached word document (by Jack Thompson) is hilarious
14:51.40pcjit'd better be
14:52.21KirkburnWell any document that includes “swastikas, kangaroos in court, a reproduced dollar bill, cartoon squirrels, Paul Simon, Paul Newman, Ray Charles, a handprint with the word ’slap’ written under it, Bar Governor Benedict P. Kuehne, a baby, Ed Bradley, Jack Nicholson, Justice Clarence Thomas, Julius Caesar, monkeys, a house of cards,” has got to be ... interesting
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14:53.25dotanesxhi all
14:53.45dudiceLukian are u there?
14:53.57Lukianyeah dudice
14:53.57dudiceanyone can help me about addons
14:54.34pcjtry #wowi-lounge dudice
14:55.51dudicelukian..
14:55.58dudiceive installed the addon u gave me
14:56.02dudicehow to use it?
14:57.20Lukianfubar's bars should be on your screen, right click to configure
14:57.29Lukiancartographer replaces the default map (m)
14:57.45Fisker->:D Kirkburn
14:57.47Fisker->:DDD
14:57.48Fisker-etc.
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14:58.56Fisker-he's one sick person
14:59.51dudiceafter the installation? what file will i open?
15:00.56Lukianoh, wowaceupdater? did you open it?
15:01.57dudicei opend it now and then??
15:02.07DuTempete_ty pcj
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15:03.46pcjwb dutempete
15:03.52pcjah nvm
15:03.59pcjyw tho
15:04.13DuTempetehehe
15:04.22Lukiandudice, select cartographer package, fubar and locationfu
15:04.31Lukianand then file -> install/update marked addons
15:05.29dudicei installed it now
15:09.53dudiceLukian?
15:09.57pcjkirkburn et al, should we start having tooltips for quests, etc like in-game 2.4
15:10.07DuTempeteet al? lol
15:10.11Lukiandudice, now run wow
15:10.36DuTempeteI thought you already had that in the works, pcj?
15:10.38pcjwhat dutempete
15:10.43dudicethen?
15:10.47Lukiandudice, you might also want to delete metamap from c:\program files\world of warcraft\interface\addons
15:10.48pcjwell it requires adding the objectives to a tooltip
15:10.56Lukiandudice, you'll see them ingame..
15:10.56pcjif it's going to look like in-game
15:11.44dudiceno meta map.
15:12.57Lukianthat's good :)
15:12.59Lukiango play :p
15:13.37pcjlol you can attack the midsummer celebrants in shatt
15:13.47Lukianpcj, yeah known bug XD
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15:24.09dudicelukian is there an addon that helps in questing?
15:25.22Lukianhttp://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=7674
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15:28.55pcjAre the quest tooltips the only thing that was kept?
15:30.37dudicewhat is that addon do?
15:32.23dudiceLukian?
15:34.19pcjhttp://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Village_pump#Quest_tooltips
15:34.28Lukiandudice, it's a questing guide
15:37.37pcj!jobqueue
15:37.42[NewsBot]The www.wowwiki.com job queue length is currently 7 doing ~1 job/s, done in approx. 7secs.
15:39.40Fisker-1-0 Dotted
15:41.52Fisker-1-0!!!!!!!!!!!
15:42.31sacarasc1-0?
15:43.12Fisker-1-0
15:45.55sacarasc1-0!
15:48.09Fisker-definitely
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15:53.24sacarascso, what is 1-0?
15:53.37sacarascto what does this score apply, i should say
15:56.26Fisker-Dotted 1 Windmills 0
15:56.48Fisker-aka http://i2-images.tv2.dk/s/93/8673193-9140fe68ea592e1c886744d61ce9c126.jpeg
15:57.09Fisker-you can guess what that white pole were earlier today
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16:03.23Tranqui|'lo all
16:04.31Tranqui|whats the most popular Dkp engine for websites and for collecting the raid data ingame? been ages since i had to look into it and i used to use Eqdkp
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17:16.49Lukiananyone remember which NPC Upgrades Stormpike Insignias?
17:26.53Fisker-it's outside av
17:26.53VvWolverinevVnear the instance, Lukian
17:27.09VvWolverinevVin alterac mountains
17:27.15Lukianah right
17:27.17Lukianthought it might be inside
17:27.49pcjhttp://www.wowwiki.com/WW:VP#Quest_tooltips
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17:31.39VvWolverinevVhaha i like the lolwowcats
17:31.47VvWolverinevVeven though im a casual cat
17:32.04VvWolverinevVi am pissed that they made leveling 30-60 easier though
17:33.04pcjok w/e
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18:11.26Kirkburnpcj, ping
18:11.34pcjyes
18:11.37Kirkburnhttp://www.wowwiki.com/User:Kirkburn/Dev3/WoW
18:11.45KirkburnCan I get quick feedback?
18:11.55KirkburnTrying different ideas atm
18:12.08LukianAnyone care to do some maths on tier 9 stats? The items levels will probably be ~210-228
18:12.10Lukian^_^
18:12.10pcjwhat's different
18:12.19KirkburnClick the different portal links
18:15.30KirkburnIdea is just to get some consistency between them all and make it simple
18:15.50KirkburnAnd get those Warcraft links a place of their own
18:16.07pcjyEAP
18:16.09pcjYeap*
18:16.54pcjLooks like a good start
18:17.04KirkburnCode needs a load of work, but cool
18:17.23pcjIs the WoW portal going to be the main page?
18:22.30Kirkburnyep
18:22.42KirkburnHell no am I going to open that can of worms
18:22.59KirkburnNo appreciable change for WoW players, except the Interface links will be moved
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18:23.54KirkburnCould probably expand the other links to take it's place
18:23.58Kirkburn*its
18:24.00KirkburnDammit
18:24.47TecnoBratKirkburn, only comment "holy shit that page is getting long"
18:25.20pcjare there going to be featured articles for each portal
18:25.28TecnoBratit used to be a single fold splash page, heh
18:25.38Kirkburnheh
18:25.52Kirkburnpcj, undecided, could be waaay too much work
18:26.18KirkburnThough, it's only two portals, at least
18:26.54KirkburnFor length - the help stuff can be cut down and linked straight to the community portal
18:27.47foxlitPoor API docs
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18:27.52foxlitPoor, poor API docs
18:27.58foxlitAh well, you are not long for this world.
18:28.42foxlitKirkburn: that much vertical junk on top of every portal is bad
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18:29.33KirkburnYeah, one thing I need to do is make the portal links obvious
18:29.41KirkburnA tab-style look could help there
18:30.23foxlitHave fun; IC portal hasn't been edited since december
18:31.32pcjare you going to split the warcraft news from the wow news kirkburn
18:32.10Kirkburnpcj, not sure - I think it all kinda goes together
18:38.25pcjso kirkburn is the lore stuff going to go in the warcraft protal
18:38.45KirkburnI think it's quite similar in scope
18:38.59KirkburnDepends how many links I can find
18:39.19KirkburnPanSola is suggesting portals for each WC title
18:39.44pcj._.
18:39.54KirkburnFor that I guess individual characters and missions could be linked
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19:27.28frichrm
19:27.38frichow do I link to a category without adding the page to that category?
19:28.34fricI wanna do [[Category:Alliance Guilds|Alliance Guilds]], but as a link, not the category :P
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19:52.11fricah
19:52.12friccool
19:52.14fricthanks :)
19:53.51Fisker-nice Dotted
19:53.54Fisker-rørbomber
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20:41.35VindheimerGood evening!
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20:48.53VindheimerKirkburn, you're not Daniel Thomessen who livs in Kastrup, no?
20:49.07KirkburnEr, no
20:49.23VindheimerNever mind then. THought I knew you.
20:49.41KirkburnThe whole living in England and being British kidna rules that out
20:50.14VindheimerOf course.
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20:50.48Dottedthe brit is a lie
20:50.52VindheimerAnyway, I'm bored. Want to chit-chat?
20:51.18VindheimerHow come, Dotted?
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20:52.39DottedKirkburn
20:52.52KirkburnThis is ridicolous
20:53.03Dottedban yourself
20:53.38Kirkburneh?
20:53.54Dottedspammer
20:54.00VindheimerQuestion!
20:54.28VindheimerIs it correct that you put beer on the graves in Denmark?
20:56.37DottedQuestion!
20:57.14DottedIs it correct that norwegians urinate on graves right after a person have been buried?
20:57.36VindheimerYes, we have some Norwegians that do that. They are called satanists.
20:58.09Fisker-hej Dotted
20:58.10Fisker-1-0
20:58.23PhotoJimftw!
20:58.29DottedVindheimer thats not real satanists however
20:58.33DottedFisker- hvorfor?
20:58.44VindheimerBut, my teacher told me that when he was walking in the big graveyard in Kjøpenhamn he could see people who placed tin cans with beer on the gravestones of their relatives.
20:58.44DottedVindheimer just misguided youth
20:58.45Fisker-vindmøllen da
20:58.58DottedFisker- hvorfor?
20:59.21DottedKjpenhamn?
20:59.32VindheimerNew Norwegian name of Coppenhagen
20:59.47Dottedewww
21:00.21VindheimerYes, the supporters of New Norwegian decided to rename the World.
21:00.41Fisker-1-0 Dotted, derfor
21:00.47Fisker-også nætto
21:00.47DottedFisker- hvorfor?
21:00.57Fisker-NÆTTO
21:00.59DottedFisker- hvorfor?
21:01.21VindheimerAnyway, what do you think about the printing of the Muhammed drawings?
21:01.52Dottedits good
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21:03.15VindheimerYou don't think you could be a bit more nice towards the Muslims?
21:05.09DottedWell
21:05.09DottedI get offended my shope selling apple juice
21:05.12Dottedbut i see noone care about that
21:05.19Dottedso why should i care about them?
21:05.19foxlitTHEM APPLES MUST PAY!
21:05.49VindheimerWell, I don't really mind if someone make bad drawings of Jesus, but think about it:
21:06.00VindheimerWhat if Muhammed was very, very, very important for you
21:06.18DottedThen stat law should apply to everyone else?
21:06.19DottedLOL
21:06.23VindheimerSo important that you do what he wills, every day
21:06.35VindheimerThen someone offends him.
21:06.43Dottedthen you are retarded in the first place, but thats besides the point
21:06.56VindheimerWouldn't you feel personally offended?
21:07.03VindheimerOk, replace Muhammed with someone you love.
21:07.14Dottedno i wouldnt
21:07.24Dottedwell
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21:07.45Dottedi wouldnt burn off flags or embassies etc
21:08.08VindheimerNo, of course not.
21:08.17VindheimerBut, say you were in a very bad situation
21:08.52VindheimerYou didn't have any food for your family, there was a lot of crime around you and few oppertunities to escape
21:09.19DottedSo every muslim is poor? Thats not a nice thing to say
21:09.38VindheimerEvery muslim did not react ;)
21:09.51VindheimerThen the President of the United Republic of Havaer Pengaer insults you.
21:09.53foxlitVind, find a point.
21:09.57DottedSo every muslim to reacts is poor?
21:10.01Dotted*who
21:10.43foxlitBet the poor ones couldn't care less
21:10.44DottedI have yet to hear a valid reason as to why us others should follow the laws of any religion
21:10.46elmargolVindheimer: lot of crime around you and few oppertunities to escape <- you mean the us?
21:11.00VindheimerWouldn't that be the top of the iceberg that made you rage?
21:11.13VindheimerWho're you, Elmargol?
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21:11.43DottedVindheimer unfortuneatly that doesnt apply to muslims as much as it seems you think
21:12.03foxlitVindheimer: your premise is flawed, your logic is flawed, and your conclusion is flawed
21:12.24VindheimerWell, I was thinking about those who burnt flags and embassies.
21:12.50elmargolevery nation has some idiots
21:12.51Dottedand all of those are poor and experience alot of crime?
21:13.04VindheimerFoxlit: I know there are flaws with my logic, I'm simply trying to find a way to explain their rage.
21:13.08Dottedplease, cite your source on that claim or stfu
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21:13.28Osealright!
21:13.52foxlitVindheimer: you're failing. stop before you hurt yourself. :)
21:13.53VindheimerShall we carry on?
21:14.49DottedVindheimer ok then come up with something that males sense
21:14.58pcjheh males
21:14.59Dotted*makes
21:15.15pcjwell we know what dotted thinks about now
21:15.56Dottedobviously the letters "l" and "k" being next to each other has nothing to do with it
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21:16.38Oseright...
21:17.58Dottedlolololol @ wullfs magazin
21:18.10VindheimerWell: Muhammed --> important to muslims. ---> when muhammed is offended, some muslims feel offended, too ---> some of these muslims feel that their situation is hopeless, so they are angry ---> priests have told them that the West is to blame ---> some of those muslims who feel offended and that their sitaution is hopeless go burn flags and embassies. END
21:18.38VindheimerThe point is:
21:18.47DottedYou fail massivly?
21:18.51VindheimerWhy give them another reason to burn flags and embassies?
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21:19.09VindheimerCare to explain?
21:19.13DottedWhy follow rules of religions?
21:19.19Dottedcare to explain?
21:19.36DottedMore so when you arent part of the religion?
21:19.46VindheimerWell, that's their problem.
21:20.02VindheimerThey don't think like that. They simply believe and trust
21:20.04Dottedwow you finally said something that made sense
21:20.29Vindheimer0-1 to me :)
21:21.05Dottedno
21:21.26Dottedsince what you said supported what i think rather than what you think
21:22.16VindheimerWell, we agree about the religion law thing, but that is not the point
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21:22.36VindheimerThe point is why they burn down embassies and flags
21:22.37Fisker-Being underdeveloped is not an excuse to treat them bad either
21:24.12VindheimerThat is what our discussion is about
21:24.28Fisker-They, as already explained, don't have much in terms of news, most news they get is from priests and other people who will definitely put a spin on said news
21:24.54Fisker-Infact you're, to an extent being treated the same way
21:25.05VindheimerWe all are
21:25.10Fisker-People are suddenly terrorists and what not
21:25.40Fisker-But we definitely have more and better means of detecting spin
21:26.05VindheimerThough, we usualy take things for granted
21:26.06Fisker-The fact that the people who wanted to murder one of the persons who made the drawings is laughable at best
21:26.17Fisker-oh wait
21:26.31Fisker-The fact that the people who wanted to murder one of the persons who made the drawings is being called terrorists is laughable at best
21:26.36Fisker-there it was
21:26.57VindheimerIf the person planned to do it?
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21:27.23Fisker-yup
21:27.47VindheimerI don't think that's laughable
21:27.50Fisker-some people planned to murder one of the persons who made the muhammed with a bomb in his turban
21:27.53Fisker-or whatever
21:28.29VindheimerThough, if they planned to murder someone else they wouldn't be considered terrorists...
21:28.42Fisker-They're being labeled as terrorists so that our government can bypass the legal system and deport them
21:28.47VindheimerOr... that depends on whom that someone else would be
21:29.12VindheimerRight.
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21:29.35VindheimerCan you actually do that to Danish subjects?
21:29.48Fisker-deport them?
21:30.00VindheimerMullah Krekar is called a terrorist, but we cannot deport him :(
21:30.08VindheimerYeah
21:30.47Dottedwhere the hell are you gonna deport a dane?
21:31.06Fisker-To his country of origin
21:31.31VindheimerWell, if these "terrorists" are not Danish subjects I see no reason why they cannot be deported if they have been declared a threat to the realm
21:31.33Fisker-They only deported 2 of the persons that hadn't gotten danish citizenship yet
21:31.48Fisker-That's not the point
21:31.53Fisker-They're being deported without trial
21:31.54pcjhttp://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Village_pump#Quest_tooltips
21:32.05VindheimerWell, as everyone else would have been
21:32.15Fisker-Yes?
21:32.19Fisker-That doesn't make it better
21:32.44VindheimerWell, they are guests
21:33.01Fisker-perhaps
21:33.02VindheimerIf you're no longer welcome as a guest, you lave
21:33.05Vindheimerleave*
21:33.38VindheimerThey have no right to be in Denmark
21:34.10Fisker-Just a little popquiz here
21:34.18Fisker-lets say you would be shot on sight in your home country
21:34.19VindheimerThey were welcomed as guests, but they had no explicit right to visit the country.
21:34.29Fisker-You know some guys who happens to plan a murder on a person
21:34.30VindheimerMhm...?
21:34.36Fisker-You get busted together with these guys
21:34.44Fisker-Then we say you are a terrorist, send you home, and you get shot
21:35.09VindheimerWell, that is the case with Mullah Krekar
21:35.17VindheimerThat's why we cannot deport him ><
21:35.48Fisker-but that's what we are doing here
21:35.55foxlit"Vindheimer: They were welcomed as guests, but they had no explicit right to visit the country."
21:36.02foxlitOh? I thought that's what visas are for?
21:36.06VindheimerThe deportees will be shot
21:36.15Vindheimer*
21:36.20Vindheimer?*
21:36.22Fisker-Why do you want a person who haven't done anything wrong deported anyways?
21:36.27VindheimerIn their country of origin?
21:36.42Vindheimerhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mullah_Krekar
21:36.49Fisker-no in norway
21:37.07VindheimerAnyway, no, a visa does not give you a right to stay in the country regardless of your circumstances
21:37.28VindheimerDo you mean Mullah Krekar?
21:37.49foxlitIt grants you right to stay in the country while it is valid
21:37.52PhotoJimvisas are permission to enter and stay, but only until the visa expires or until you are deported.
21:37.53Fisker-no i mean whoever
21:38.03foxlitI'm not too sure you can revoke one that easily
21:38.06PhotoJimpermanent residency generally gives you a guarantee against deportation unless you commit heinous crimes.
21:38.11Vindheimer(The deportees will be shot*)
21:38.31VindheimerI meant to write: The deportees will be shot in their country of origin?
21:38.36PhotoJimyou need a court to issue a deportation order.
21:38.42PhotoJimat least in Canada.
21:39.19Fisker-That depends on the country and the circumstances
21:39.22VindheimerIn Norway you can't deport a subject, unless the subject holds another citizenship as well
21:39.44Fisker-The 2 persons who got deported here will likely be killed in tunesia
21:39.52VindheimerWhich is quite rare, because you are under normal circumstances not allowed to keep your old citizenship when you get your Norwegian one
21:40.20VindheimerWell, then it would be wrong to deport them.
21:40.44PhotoJimCanada won't deport anyone with Canadian citizenship, unless the Canadian citizenship was obtained under false pretenses and is revoked first.
21:41.18Fisker-it would be wrong to deport them regardless
21:41.38VindheimerNo, not if they wouldn't be shot
21:41.40foxlitIn short, you'd usually need a court to approve the deportation
21:42.46VindheimerIn some countries.
21:42.55VindheimerBut, obviously not in Norway or Denmark
21:45.10VindheimerNow, this leads to another topic:
21:45.32VindheimerWhy do Danes speak in a so strange way?
21:45.47foxlitI don't see how it leads to that.
21:46.10VindheimerWell, it doesn't but I want to tease Fisker and Dotted a bit.
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21:46.48Dottedbut not foxlit?
21:46.56Dottedthats discimination you know
21:47.16VindheimerIsn't Foxlit from the isles or something?
21:47.43Fisker-danish is the only sane language in this world
21:48.08VindheimerNonsense! It sounds like corrupted Norwegian
21:48.18Dottedan isle of denmark, sure - but dunno were he lives so if he lives in the peninsule of jutland he obviously soesnt
21:48.43VindheimerI thought about the British Isles
21:49.01Fisker-norwegian sounds like corrupted danish
21:49.05VindheimerAnyway, you write "Ja", but say something like "jeeeeeeh?"
21:49.11Dottedbritish isles have .dk as hostname?
21:49.11VindheimerWe say ja.
21:49.33Dottedwell then you failed again
21:49.38Fisker-Ja!
21:49.41Dottedand we say Ja aswell
21:49.53foxlitand I say "Yeah"
21:50.09VindheimerYes, you say "yeah" instead of ja.
21:50.29VindheimerYou also have the French R, and a lot of guttural sounds
21:50.42VindheimerYour written language reflects Norwegian pronunciation and not Danish
21:51.17Dottedhow the fuck do you make ja sound like yeah?
21:51.29VindheimerActually, they way they speak in the West/Southern part of Norway is closer to the written Danish language than standard Danish pronunciation
21:51.36foxlitYou don't, you just say "Yeah".
21:51.59Dottedsilence you fynbo
21:53.01Dottednorwegians iirc pronoiunce ja, like jah
21:53.35VindheimerDepends on the situation
21:53.41Vindheimerhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twRtdHwsuqo
21:54.01Dotteda in ja is pronounced like a alone is pronounced
21:54.31VindheimerYou pronounce the a alone like æ, right?
21:54.38Dottedlawl
21:54.40Dottedno
21:55.22VindheimerYou say æfgænistææn though.
21:55.50Dottedno
21:56.10Dottedunless you pronounce like a in norway
21:56.20VindheimerYes, æ like in Norway
21:56.31VindheimerLike in ash
21:56.53Dottednaah close but naaah
21:56.55VindheimerMy point is that you pronounce the pure a as in the English word ash
21:57.57Dottedno
21:58.04Dottedclso sure
21:58.07Dotted*close
21:58.14VindheimerWell, very close then.
21:58.18Dottedno
21:58.20Dottedclose
21:58.28Dottedalso i must leave now
21:58.43VindheimerOk, night night
22:00.57VindheimerAnyone still listening? ^^
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22:06.05KirkburnOh, Mr President! http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/newsid_7250000/newsid_7258900/7258976.stm?bw=bb&mp=wm&asb=1&news=1&bbcws=1
22:07.12VindheimerHmm?
22:07.46pcjhttp://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Village_pump#Quest_tooltips
22:08.19VindheimerNice! Funky!
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22:09.05VindheimerYou know, when Bush no longer is president there's another job waiting for him :)
22:09.28VindheimerHe could be a traveling clown.
22:10.16Adyshttp://blogoscoped.com/archive/2008-02-22-n18.html
22:11.36VindheimerThe movie is not working as intended for me
22:12.30VindheimerLa film nes est pas travaillant :)
22:12.39Adystry http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFDq95zHJIg&eurl=http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2008-02-22-n18.html
22:12.45PhotoJimLe film ne marche pas.
22:13.13VindheimerWell, I've just started learning French :(
22:13.17PhotoJimtravailler = to work (as in a job or activity); marcher = to work (as in to function)
22:13.21PhotoJim:)
22:13.28AdysWRONG
22:13.31Adysmarcher = to walk
22:13.33AdysOMG NOOB
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22:13.41PhotoJimwell, "marcher" has multiple meanings.
22:13.52AdysIm french, forget it :P
22:14.39VindheimerProve it!
22:14.43PhotoJimJe choisis a ne pas oublier :)
22:15.00pcjje m'en fous
22:15.09VindheimerConjugate pisser in Passe Simple, mr Frenchman!
22:15.25pcjj'aime omelettes du fromages
22:15.41AdysIt's spelt passé simple, britnoob
22:15.53pcjtu es un poisson!
22:15.57VindheimerWhatever...
22:16.15KirkburnBritnoob? I thought that was me?
22:16.16VindheimerJe tu aime!
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22:16.25pcj*je t'aime bien
22:16.29VindheimerErr, wait. J'taime! That's the word
22:16.42LogesticWow. Love is in the air.
22:16.44PhotoJimj'ai pisse, tu as pisse, il a pisse, nous avons pisse, vous avez pisse, ils ont pisse... accent smissing on account of them not working on my IRC client
22:16.51AdysKirkburn: No, you spend too much time in the US
22:17.10LogesticXD
22:17.10VindheimerThat is not the passe simple
22:17.15Adysbritnoobs dont go in the US
22:17.19LogesticPasse compose?
22:17.21LogesticD:
22:17.38LogesticEwww... intricacies.
22:17.39Adysthats like frenchdumbs going to britain
22:17.46VindheimerIndeed :)
22:18.15LogesticWhat about Canadians? (Just putting us out there.()
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22:18.43VindheimerThere no canada liek french canada, it'z ze best canada in ze land!
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22:18.47Oseargh
22:19.03Osestupid images wont resize correctly
22:19.09VindheimerAnyway, you haven't answered my questions, Adys :)
22:19.12Sandwichman2448I may have made another poor choice in judgement (Not the pally spell).
22:19.16Adyswhich was?
22:19.19VindheimerBesides, your English is too good
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22:19.28Adysdude its not english
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22:19.30pcjnom de chien
22:19.30Adysits american
22:19.30VindheimerConjugate the verb pisser in passe simple
22:19.33pcjzut alors
22:20.21VindheimerWe're Europeans! We're taught to speak RP English.
22:20.37LogesticXD
22:20.41Adysuhm ok, pissai /a /a /ames (w/ wccent) /ates (w/ accent) /èrent
22:20.41LogesticSo, is that english or american english?
22:20.41Sandwichman2448I did what X8 asked an transcluded some templates he made.
22:20.45Adysiirc
22:20.55VindheimerEnglish English
22:21.09VindheimerOk, perhaps you managed to do that, Adys.
22:21.21VindheimerBut, it still doesn't prove anything ^^
22:21.33Fisker-hai
22:21.36Adyssrsly?
22:21.54Sandwichman2448Hello Fisker.
22:21.54VindheimerWell, you've made doubt...
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22:22.29Oseargh... how do I resize an iamge to 48 x 48 pixes?
22:22.31Adys2hostmask, bitch!
22:22.36Oseimage*
22:23.01LogesticDo you have Photoshop?
22:23.02VindheimerSo, what are we going to do now?
22:23.16Adyscompare baguettes sizes?
22:23.17kd3ose, you mean like [[Image:foo.png|48px]]?
22:23.21Logestic(Sword duel. All the way.)
22:23.26LogesticThat'd work.
22:23.26Oseya
22:23.27VindheimerI know it!
22:23.40VindheimerAdys, do you like Nutella?
22:23.42Sandwichman2448To the death or just slight death?
22:23.46Adysno
22:23.47LogesticOff-death.
22:23.51VindheimerAnd do you use a plate when you eat bread?
22:23.53Sandwichman2448K
22:23.56Adysno
22:23.59LogesticLol.
22:24.03LogesticSort-o-death.
22:24.08VindheimerDamn
22:24.19VindheimerFrenchmen don't use plates when they eat bread ><
22:24.20LogesticWhich raises the question...how can one be sort of dead?
22:24.28LogesticThey eat with their feet. :D
22:24.33Logestic(Kidding. XD)
22:24.42VindheimerAlmost
22:24.53VindheimerThey're not as civilised as us other Europeans
22:25.25LogesticRaaa... I don't know what Realm to pick. :( It's been plaguing me.
22:25.27Osefrenchmen doesen't eat bread, they eat croissants (spelling?)
22:25.30kd3ose, for a forced size, [[Image:foo.png|48x48px]], otherwise what I used earlier tends to keep the aspect ratio better
22:25.38Adysspelling's right
22:25.43VindheimerThey eat bread, I tell you. Hard bread
22:26.01AdysI eat croissants :P and bread
22:26.03LogesticThat's not bread. It's bread colored glass.
22:26.08VindheimerThey also have a strange sponge near their toilettes
22:26.18Sandwichman2448Sort of dead is dead, but still alive. Not like undeath which is death undone.
22:26.34Adysand no non-french knows what a real croissant tastes like
22:26.48LogesticI need a server to play on. I still haven't picked one.
22:26.52Adysjust like no non-greek knows what real feta is :P
22:27.00LogesticYay for being a hopless newbie. :D
22:27.05VindheimerI've been to France and tasted it
22:27.09Oseanyway, can anyone try to http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:User_WantRanger so that it's not taller than the other templates?
22:27.11LogesticI can't hop. :(
22:27.18pcjthey serve you fakes if you're a foreigner in france
22:27.23OseI can't seem to get it right
22:27.34VindheimerIn a French family?
22:27.39VindheimerDoubt it.
22:27.42pcjYou would
22:27.46LogesticCroissants: Drywall and water made into a shape that LOOKS like bread.
22:27.56Adys[23:27:15] <Ose> anyway, can anyone try to http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:User_WantRanger so that it's not taller than the other templates?
22:28.04Adysblue fluo on green fluo :(
22:28.04Sandwichman2448Ose: That is what I get for helping that guy.
22:28.12[Liquidor]http://armory.artoman.com/index.php?s=test
22:28.23VindheimerBut, Frenchmen are very pleasant. But, they don't talk to each other on the bus
22:28.33Oseoh, so i'm supposed to use an x...
22:28.46LogesticXD
22:28.49Sandwichman2448But do not do what it says.
22:28.51VindheimerInsert nevertheless or however, if you want.
22:28.55Logestic"Shut it. We're on a bus."
22:29.21Adysonly brits and their doubledeckers go on the bus
22:29.23[Liquidor]Give him some cheese and garlic and he'll let you have his seat
22:29.25Osei'm lagging...
22:29.29Adysrest of the world goes IN the bus
22:29.35Sandwichman2448Ose: Ouch.
22:29.38OseI get 20 lines simultaneously
22:29.45Sandwichman2448Ose: Ouch.
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22:30.04VindheimerAs I've stated earlier, I've been taught British English
22:30.29LogesticQuick test, spell the word colour.
22:30.50VindheimerColour.
22:31.01Oseindeed, old chap
22:31.16Logestic(Waiting for someone to say color, so I can look less of them.)
22:31.32Logestic"You forgot the u. Never forget the u."
22:31.34VindheimerYes, we are certainly having a jolly good time right now.
22:31.43Osecolo(u)r?
22:31.46Logestic"U. We add it into words to sound fancy."
22:32.01VindheimerColour is much prettier than color.
22:32.05LogesticColor is a misspelling.
22:32.07VindheimerColor... it is so simple
22:32.20LogesticColor sounds like to me....collar.
22:32.26AdysVindheimer: another test, what's the name of the official wow database keeping info on players, guilds, items, and lets you control over guild bank?
22:32.28LogesticColor/collar.
22:32.35VindheimerArmoury!
22:32.38LogesticThe Armoury?
22:32.40AdysOh no
22:32.46Adyshe really is :(
22:32.47VindheimerOh, yes!
22:33.26LogesticWait...is it Armory?....(bad taste in my mouth...it lacks u.)
22:33.54Sandwichman2448Eh?
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22:34.18Adyswoah
22:34.19VindheimerYes, Blizzard uses American English.
22:34.23[NewsBot]MMO Champion: New PTR Build - Changes list - http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=4603.0
22:34.31VindheimerHowever, the CMs do not.
22:34.37LogesticSilly Blizzard. Spelling badly is for kids!
22:34.49AdysI just learned the schtroumps are called the smurfs in english
22:34.58Adyshere go 7 years of my life
22:35.00VindheimerYou didn't know?
22:35.09LogesticI knew. Smurfs always gave me nightmares.
22:35.23LogesticCreepy little buggers.. made me cry as a small child.
22:35.26[NewsBot]WoW Insider: Details on the WoW Minis game - http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/02/22/details-on-the-wow-minis-game/
22:35.30VindheimerI know something even worse.
22:35.37Sandwichman2448What?
22:35.45VindheimerTHIS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0kNJNe7HGE
22:35.45Osewhy does http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:User_WantRanger look weird?
22:35.57Osewrong link...
22:35.58VindheimerPompel and Pilt > All !
22:36.07Adysseen it vind!
22:36.08Osehttp://www.wowwiki.com/User:Mr.X8#Bio
22:36.17AdysOse: because fluo colors suck
22:36.17Ose^right link
22:36.46VindheimerHave you, Logestic?
22:37.54LogesticOkay.
22:37.59LogesticThat's just scary, Vind.
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22:38.16VindheimerIndeed.
22:38.38LogesticAlthough, Chris Crocker scares me more.
22:38.39Osemy connection is kinda funky right now
22:38.42LogesticBRB
22:38.58Sandwichman2448I'm scared of that movie.
22:39.28VindheimerHowever, he didn't have a monopoly ;)
22:39.47VindheimerPompel and Pilt was the only show for children for several years...
22:40.03Sandwichman2448I feel bad for them.
22:40.07Osethey're kinda spooky though
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22:40.20Sandwichman2448agreed
22:40.27Fisker-hey Dotted
22:40.33Fisker-live for nothing or die for something and what not
22:40.41VindheimerDotted has gone to bed.
22:41.27Sandwichman2448The template thing is all my fault.
22:43.36VindheimerAnyhow, I hath a question about the word hath
22:43.49Osehath?
22:44.02kd3en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hath
22:44.21Osehttp://www.google.no/search?q=hath&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:nb-NO:official&client=firefox-a
22:44.35VindheimerOh, ok. THanks
22:44.36Ose:P
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22:46.26VindheimerHehe.
22:46.45Sandwichman2448Hehe?
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22:47.12OseHehe indeed
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22:51.19VindheimerOk: What countries are you from?
22:51.58OseNorway duh
22:52.14VindheimerFrom what part of the country?
22:52.44OseÅl'sunn
22:53.53Oseyou?
22:53.54VindheimerCharmerende. But then, you had that fire...
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22:54.17VindheimerStavanger.
22:54.39Oseyou keep stealing our stuff!
22:55.16VindheimerWhat stuff? You have anything?
22:55.48Osefirst you took matfestivalen, then you took InnoTown
22:55.49VindheimerI mean, guys! Ålesund is a place where you stop if you want to take a piss or buy a hot-dog.
22:56.32VindheimerWell, you still have fish.
22:57.02Osewe have lot's of fish
22:57.09Oseand funky houses
22:57.30VindheimerYes, square houses.
22:59.04Osewhut?
22:59.22Vindheimer_
22:59.24Vindheimer|  |
22:59.26Vindheimer_
22:59.36VindheimerÅlesund house.
22:59.47VindheimerAre you still alive, Kirkburn?
23:00.06Kirkburnwhy?
23:00.42VindheimerYou're just so quiet
23:00.42Osewe haf teh kewlest houses! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Jugendstilsenteret-modf.jpg
23:00.57VindheimerNight night!
23:01.05VindheimerI R tired
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23:01.48Oseteh nob is gonn
23:01.58OsePARTEY!
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23:07.24[NewsBot]WoW Insider: Phat Loot Phriday: Winterfall Firewater - http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/02/22/phat-loot-phriday-winterfall-firewater/
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23:13.12DottedFisker- Vindheimer lies
23:14.21Oseyes he does
23:14.35Osehe says Ålesund just has square houses -.-
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23:27.04OseAnd Ose commanded: Thou shalt talk, or I shalt get boreth
23:30.52[NewsBot]World of Raids: New PTR Build - New Changes - http://boards.worldofraids.com/topic-11155-1.html
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23:49.48Sandwichman2448Hello everybody.
23:50.18Osehai
23:50.41KirkburnSo, should I mention I'll be representing WoWWiki at SXSW in a couple of weeks? :)
23:51.09KirkburnI srsly need to think of things to say, since I'll be on a panel :O
23:51.33Sandwichman2448What is it?
23:52.29KirkburnSouth by Southwest
23:52.42Kirkburnhttp://sxsw.com/
23:54.29Sandwichman2448What is it about?
23:58.16DottedKirkburn will der be videos of the panel we can fap to?
23:58.41Kirkburndunno

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