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| 00:10.47 | Kirkburn | Ever the cynic |
| 00:11.19 | Kyrin | lol |
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| 00:25.02 | Keolah | Why would anyone ever need anything other than C? :) |
| 00:35.34 | bleeter | Keolah: ever tried coding a PLC in C? |
| 00:37.56 | Kirkburn | Tekkub, is tekChatborderfix still applicable? |
| 00:41.57 | pcj | why are you randomly looking at his addons? |
| 00:49.30 | Kirkburn | pcj, I'm .... using them? |
| 00:49.31 | Adys | why are you randomly asking kirkburn why he is randomly looking at tekkub's addons? |
| 00:49.52 | pcj | it was random... |
| 00:50.03 | Adys | BLAGOOMGA |
| 00:50.04 | Kirkburn | The chat border problem has occured for a looong time, I wasn't sure if it still exists |
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| 00:50.34 | pcj | ah |
| 00:50.37 | Kirkburn | Anyway, I use tekKompare and Vendorbait |
| 00:51.55 | Kirkburn | brb |
| 00:56.25 | Adys | morning zeal |
| 00:56.46 | Zeal | morning? |
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| 00:56.55 | Adys | [01:55:54] *** zeal changed nick to Zeal |
| 00:57.28 | Kyrin | heh |
| 00:57.45 | Zeal | i was cooking then eating and watching a film |
| 00:57.59 | Dotted | ~ugl |
| 00:58.03 | Dotted | ~ugt |
| 00:58.04 | infobot | hmm... ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 00:58.19 | Dotted | so |
| 00:58.24 | Dotted | morning Zeal |
| 01:00.15 | Zeal | well no.. because i never left to sleep and adys is always in a state of semi-sleep. so a greeting with morning would be incorrect. |
| 01:00.30 | Zeal | if i had left to sleep, sure ;) |
| 01:00.32 | Adys | i just woke up |
| 01:00.59 | Zeal | you're always "just woke up" :p |
| 01:01.07 | Adys | yeah so what |
| 01:03.54 | Dotted | no leaving IRC == night |
| 01:04.03 | Dotted | joining IRC == morning |
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| 01:04.17 | Adys | Morning zeal |
| 01:04.26 | Zeal | stole focus :( |
| 01:04.37 | Zeal | no leaving for sleep = wb |
| 01:04.37 | Adys | YEAH BITCH I LIKE STEALING FOCUS |
| 01:04.55 | Dotted | attention whore |
| 01:04.59 | Kyrin | lol |
| 01:09.16 | pcj | i hate when windows steal focus |
| 01:09.24 | pcj | it's the dumbest idea ever |
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| 01:15.42 | Zeal | i like it on some windows. |
| 01:16.00 | Zeal | in this case, i'd prefer it to have just beeped or something. |
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| 02:08.51 | Sky2042 | yeah yeah. i left a note on wikipedia page about interwiki links that fandy noted was happening. |
| 02:10.56 | Zeal | can't say it really bothers me. |
| 02:12.14 | Sky2042 | oh jesus |
| 02:12.20 | Sky2042 | the edits are from 2007... |
| 02:12.42 | Adys | link? |
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| 02:13.25 | Sky2042 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Interwiki_map#More_requested_to_be_removed |
| 02:13.28 | Kurosaki_Ichigo | Konnichiwa! ^^ |
| 02:13.33 | Sky2042 | obviously, they weren't removed. lol |
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| 02:13.54 | Kurosaki_Ichigo | Есь русские? :D |
| 02:14.01 | Kurosaki_Ichigo | Тупой вопрос аднака :D |
| 02:14.08 | Adys | Kurosaki_Ichigo: english channel here |
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| 02:22.26 | Sky2042 | mmm, zeal, one issue i had with your structure is because of the whole "MediaWiki sorts categories next to content" issue :/ |
| 02:22.36 | Zeal | hm? |
| 02:23.13 | Sky2042 | placing all items into c:items, for example, means the categories disappear into the mass of pages |
| 02:23.47 | Sky2042 | making it difficult (w/o cattree) to get anywhere. |
| 02:23.54 | Sky2042 | unless you know the existing cat structure. |
| 02:24.04 | Sky2042 | which the average user prolly does not. |
| 02:24.21 | Zeal | ideally i want them to be, but if c:items becomes big enough to movep age (which i bet it will) you'd need to convert it in the same way i did with c:lore |
| 02:24.55 | Zeal | it's wrong, it ruins the nav, but mw sucks and forces it. |
| 02:25.17 | Adys | mw doesnt "suck" |
| 02:25.42 | Zeal | it sucks like you think ie does. ;) |
| 02:25.44 | Adys | it just DOES THINGS A TOTALLY AWKWARD, REPETITIVE, DUMB AND USELESS WAY |
| 02:25.48 | Zeal | lol |
| 02:25.52 | Adys | JUST LIKE IE DOES. |
| 02:25.59 | Adys | caps are cool |
| 02:26.26 | Zeal | s o a r e s p a c e s |
| 02:26.29 | Zeal | a |
| 02:26.29 | Zeal | n |
| 02:26.30 | Zeal | d |
| 02:26.44 | Zeal | multiple line messages :P |
| 02:27.45 | Sky2042 | oh, I know it ruins the nav. it's exasperating and stupid as hell. |
| 02:28.02 | Sky2042 | but that's how it is. |
| 02:28.21 | Zeal | aye |
| 02:28.35 | Adys | is this a scrabble game? |
| 02:28.45 | Adys | . g |
| 02:28.47 | Zeal | the other solution is actually to have static cat list on the categorie's content. |
| 02:28.48 | Sky2042 | nope. |
| 02:28.49 | Adys | s c r a b b l e |
| 02:28.54 | Adys | QQ |
| 02:29.03 | Zeal | which i don't mind |
| 02:29.04 | Sky2042 | Zeal: unacceptable. There is {{CategoryTOC}}, but that is it. |
| 02:29.12 | Sky2042 | :/ |
| 02:29.18 | Zeal | why unacceptable |
| 02:29.36 | Adys | theres the solution of recoding this DUMB AWKWARD REPETITIVE USELESS part of mediawiki |
| 02:29.39 | Sky2042 | updating a dynamic page is cool? |
| 02:29.40 | Zeal | only time a nav makes sense on a wiki ;) |
| 02:29.48 | Sky2042 | Adys: have at it! |
| 02:29.49 | Sky2042 | ;P |
| 02:30.00 | Zeal | lol Sky, no it's not. but neither is the other work around |
| 02:30.04 | Adys | its not a hard patch |
| 02:30.23 | Adys | but i dont have access to wowwiki servs nor do i know MW's structure by heart |
| 02:30.26 | Adys | so glhf |
| 02:30.32 | Zeal | and how can you use that argument when WW is covered is lists and navs for dynamic things ;) |
| 02:31.03 | Zeal | *in lists |
| 02:31.41 | Zeal | you know what else is cool Adys? notepad |
| 02:31.51 | Adys | ++ |
| 02:32.03 | Sky2042 | Adys: then learn it! |
| 02:32.10 | Zeal | nah, that one just sucks slightly less than all the other crap ones. |
| 02:32.12 | Adys | gimme server access? |
| 02:32.24 | Sky2042 | Adys: start own server? |
| 02:32.33 | Adys | er, no? |
| 02:32.37 | Adys | i use mine thanks |
| 02:33.04 | Adys | neither am i paid to code for MW unlike some others whose job it is :p |
| 02:33.09 | Sky2042 | Zeal: because a lot of those lists actually give more information then a category would or could. example: [[Teldrassil quests]] |
| 02:33.47 | Zeal | i'm refering to ones usuaing tooltips or showing tons of useless info without doing anything with it. |
| 02:33.57 | Zeal | but mroe importantly and relvent to this, navs. |
| 02:34.01 | Sky2042 | understandably, then. |
| 02:34.05 | Sky2042 | navs? |
| 02:34.10 | Sky2042 | ah |
| 02:34.11 | Zeal | navboxes |
| 02:34.15 | Zeal | :p |
| 02:34.16 | Sky2042 | aye. |
| 02:34.24 | Adys | anyhow if category names are normalized you dont have to get anything updated apart from adding a single word on a single page when a new zone, category etc is created |
| 02:34.31 | Adys | so thats about once or twice every major patch |
| 02:34.38 | Adys | so 6-8 times a year |
| 02:34.40 | Adys | top. |
| 02:34.54 | Zeal | yuup, and even then, that has no effect of templates :p |
| 02:35.05 | Zeal | *on |
| 02:35.23 | Sky2042 | Hmm... |
| 02:35.24 | Adys | because templates are made a dumb awkward way atm |
| 02:35.29 | Adys | just to meet mw's standards |
| 02:35.35 | Zeal | lol |
| 02:35.45 | Adys | make templates use the nice wiki conditionals you got |
| 02:36.01 | Adys | make it gather info from an admin-locked list |
| 02:36.04 | Adys | and derugo |
| 02:36.10 | Sky2042 | Adys: huh |
| 02:36.18 | Adys | sigh |
| 02:36.19 | Adys | sec |
| 02:36.35 | Zeal | point was such a change wouldn't effect any templates. closest a template would get to ever using something like that is {{cross cat/zone|zone|item}}, so a new thing wouldn't require a change :P |
| 02:37.00 | Adys | yes because it shouldnt use that |
| 02:38.16 | Zeal | that's something i need to mention about {{era}}. keep the series/product templates seperatated, not in a single template liek they have |
| 02:38.33 | Zeal | otherwise it's going to span tons of articles and need updating everything blizz release a new product. |
| 02:38.43 | Zeal | *everytime |
| 02:38.56 | Adys | erm |
| 02:39.17 | Adys | Template:tlists/Zones |
| 02:39.22 | Adys | *blah |
| 02:39.23 | Zeal | hm? |
| 02:39.23 | Adys | *blah |
| 02:39.35 | Adys | Template:tlists/Qcats |
| 02:39.37 | Adys | *123 |
| 02:39.39 | Adys | *456 |
| 02:39.41 | Adys | so on |
| 02:39.55 | Adys | you make a bot do that at first |
| 02:39.57 | Zeal | huh? |
| 02:40.02 | Adys | you include it in a template |
| 02:40.05 | Zeal | huh? |
| 02:40.09 | Adys | calling it with a nice conditional going through all of them |
| 02:40.13 | Adys | one by one |
| 02:40.17 | Zeal | huh? |
| 02:40.32 | Zeal | :p |
| 02:40.39 | Adys | you call this template in a table like {{calllist|zones}} |
| 02:40.58 | Zeal | i have no idea what you're talking about. |
| 02:41.05 | Adys | the template goes through every zones one by one and generates a list of the categories |
| 02:41.20 | Adys | its horribly ugly but it works |
| 02:41.22 | Zeal | to place as a nav on the cat page? |
| 02:41.26 | Adys | yep. |
| 02:41.37 | Zeal | aslong as it can be edited by both bots and humans sounds fine. |
| 02:41.45 | Adys | yes ofc |
| 02:41.50 | Adys | its simple list items |
| 02:42.51 | Zeal | bots should help do but allow you to do too, not do do but not let you don't do :p |
| 02:43.05 | Adys | woah slow down |
| 02:43.09 | Zeal | lol |
| 02:43.10 | Adys | repeat that in english |
| 02:43.24 | Zeal | no reliance on bots ;) |
| 02:43.30 | Adys | thanks |
| 02:43.36 | Adys | and yea no reliance on bots |
| 02:43.41 | Adys | it just helps getting the job done quick |
| 02:43.47 | *** topic/#wowwiki by Adys -> Chan rules: http://tinyurl.com/36u82j - UI questions: #wowi-lounge - We are an official fan site, obey the ToU! || <+Zeal> bots should help do but allow you to do too, not do do but not let you don't do :p |
| 02:43.51 | Zeal | indeed |
| 02:45.09 | Zeal | anyways, hopefully i can make this comment about {{era}} and get to bed before anything else gets psoted for my attention. |
| 02:47.17 | Zurr | found out i had chat turned off! i was wondering why it was so quiet for so long. |
| 02:47.28 | Sky2042_afk | Zurr: .... |
| 02:48.12 | Zurr | what kind of IRC lets you turn them off anyway |
| 02:48.23 | Adys | lmao |
| 02:48.30 | Adys | how can you turn chat off in irc uea |
| 02:48.31 | Adys | yea |
| 02:48.43 | Zurr | i'm using icechat |
| 02:48.49 | Adys | use something else |
| 02:48.51 | Adys | which os? |
| 02:49.02 | Zurr | XP |
| 02:49.07 | Adys | try hydrairc or xchat |
| 02:50.47 | Zurr | i'll check them out |
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| 03:11.53 | Zeal | http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:World_of_Warcraft_%28comic%29 for cross-catting/relationship catting works |
| 03:12.50 | Zeal | hell, the item cats are cross cat's themselves, they show their relationship to World of Warcraft. |
| 03:13.04 | Zeal | which itself is a game and a series |
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| 03:13.17 | Zeal | was no reason to seperate the two unlike most |
| 03:13.43 | Sky2042_afk | zeal, there is no reason in hell why there should be categories for specific items. |
| 03:13.51 | Zeal | lol |
| 03:14.00 | Zeal | < Fri 25/01/2008 > < 03:09:58 am > <+Zeal> http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:World_of_Warcraft_%28comic%29 for cross-catting/relationship catting works |
| 03:14.00 | Zeal | < Fri 25/01/2008 > < 03:10:54 am > <+Zeal> hell, the item cats are cross cat's themselves, they show their relationship to World of Warcraft. |
| 03:14.00 | Zeal | < Fri 25/01/2008 > < 03:11:00 am > <+Zeal> which itself is a game and a series |
| 03:15.05 | Zeal | with the suggested tempalte by kirkburn, self cats will for the minimun link to each source they make an apperance in. |
| 03:15.17 | Zeal | that's why they're needed. |
| 03:15.30 | Sky2042_afk | you want to make categories for 50k items. not going to happen. |
| 03:15.33 | Sky2042_afk | at all. |
| 03:15.39 | Zeal | they'd also show npcs who sell them, items that can be traded to them. |
| 03:15.47 | Zeal | sky, that's what a template is for |
| 03:15.50 | Zeal | and it can be done |
| 03:15.53 | Sky2042_afk | which will also be found in the page. |
| 03:15.54 | Zeal | and not all of them are items |
| 03:16.11 | Zeal | sky, the point of this is being able to browse to what you want via cats |
| 03:16.22 | Zeal | so that fact it's on the page is completely irrelevent. |
| 03:16.23 | Zurr | you shouldn't bloat pages with categories |
| 03:16.31 | Sky2042_afk | no. you want to edit 50k categories? be my guest. I'm not going to aid in maintaining those, nor will anyone else. |
| 03:16.31 | Zeal | not bloated |
| 03:16.45 | Sky2042_afk | have fun. |
| 03:17.01 | Zurr | feel free to look at the bottom of http://www.wowwiki.com/Primal_Might |
| 03:17.03 | Zeal | they wouldn't need much, it'd be doen by templates, merely have to create them when you see a red link. |
| 03:17.13 | Zeal | not bloated zurr |
| 03:17.16 | Sky2042_afk | "Merely have to create them" And then use them |
| 03:17.17 | Zeal | they all have importance |
| 03:17.19 | Sky2042_afk | they're /retarded/ |
| 03:17.24 | Zeal | use them? |
| 03:17.54 | Adys | whats with the Category:Primal Might |
| 03:17.55 | Sky2042_afk | aye. for the pages they link to. You plan on adding one category per item on [[Halaa]]? or on a quartermaster? |
| 03:17.56 | Zurr | i see no need to have categories for each individual item |
| 03:18.07 | Sky2042_afk | cause that's what i just heard you say |
| 03:18.36 | Sky2042_afk | adys / zurr, exactly what i'm talking about right now. |
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| 03:19.13 | Zurr | and i'm agreeing with you |
| 03:19.23 | Zeal | sky, you need to look at it from a relationship stand point. there would be Halaa World of Warcraft items or something, which all items from halaa would be putting themselves in. |
| 03:19.31 | Zeal | there is a need |
| 03:19.37 | Zeal | just no one has ever addressed it |
| 03:19.42 | Zeal | or thought it through apparently. |
| 03:19.58 | Adys | zeal, Im not sure inclusion through categories is best but yea i agree |
| 03:20.04 | Adys | though i still dont understand |
| 03:20.11 | Adys | whats up with Category:Primal Might |
| 03:20.11 | Zeal | inclusion? |
| 03:20.42 | Zeal | okay.. let me go expand upon that cat then, but i'll porbably screw up the naming beyond it. |
| 03:20.55 | Adys | just explain :P |
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| 03:21.38 | Zeal | apparently i can't |
| 03:21.40 | Sky2042_afk | I agree, there's a need for "Halaa WoW items". but implementing it, by giving every item a category for itself? what the hell are you on? |
| 03:22.13 | Zeal | no, that was a reverse example. |
| 03:22.23 | Zeal | let me do this and you might udnerstand. |
| 03:24.24 | Zeal | and the reason the naming will be screwed up is because with my proposal being turned down, it's not possible to accurate create such cats. |
| 03:24.24 | Sky2042_afk | I /do/ understand. I get what you're doing. But the way you've chosen to do it is absolutely retarded! |
| 03:25.12 | Adys | jesus |
| 03:25.15 | Adys | chill sky |
| 03:26.32 | Zeal | and contrastly, the way you want to do it, cuts off the ability to navigate the cat tree past leaving the cat namespace when after something related to an article. |
| 03:27.53 | Sky2042_afk | Yes. Because the context is not only found in the article, but also in the article's most-definite cat, aside from it's name. |
| 03:28.08 | Sky2042_afk | there's a point when you can't use the cat tree to get where you want anymore |
| 03:28.14 | Sky2042_afk | that's just how it is. |
| 03:30.02 | Zeal | http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:Primal_Might |
| 03:30.21 | Zeal | you can use it, with a decent naming scheme |
| 03:30.22 | Sky2042_afk | Zurr: blocked. |
| 03:30.36 | Adys | redundant zeal |
| 03:30.47 | Zeal | i could add more, but that was the msot immediate example. |
| 03:30.52 | Zeal | how's it redundant? |
| 03:30.55 | Adys | yea i see where you're going but |
| 03:31.13 | Adys | theres gonna be a problem |
| 03:31.32 | Adys | lets just say |
| 03:31.38 | Zeal | i may choose not to enter the article itself, because i don't want Primal Might, but i do want items it can be used to create. |
| 03:32.08 | Adys | zeal |
| 03:32.12 | Zeal | and even if i do enter the article, i should be able to continue navigating via the category structure, rather than articles. |
| 03:32.14 | Adys | the only problem is how long its going to be |
| 03:32.26 | Zeal | long? |
| 03:32.37 | Adys | items can have up to 8 reagents |
| 03:32.44 | Sky2042_afk | and how many cats we'll have on a page like Alchemist's zone. /information overload/ |
| 03:32.46 | Zurr | if you want to know what primal might will make, you should go to the page |
| 03:32.52 | Sky2042_afk | Bingo! |
| 03:32.57 | Adys | no i disagree |
| 03:33.10 | Adys | what zeal is doing is right |
| 03:33.23 | Adys | you shouldnt have to update tons of page to fix ONE thing |
| 03:33.51 | Adys | but this just needs mediawiki recoding |
| 03:33.54 | Zeal | honestly, the size of the cat box isn't a good enough reason not to implement it period. it's at the bottom fo the article, like anyone not using the categories cares/maters? those who do would appreciate it. |
| 03:34.13 | Zeal | it would be nicer is MW handled this nicer, yes. |
| 03:34.39 | Sky2042_afk | those who do /won't/ appreciate it, because as eirik said on your talk page, it's that many more words to parse. |
| 03:34.48 | Zeal | but the fact it's not perfect doesn't mean it shouldn't be done at all, when the work around is acceptable. |
| 03:34.51 | Sky2042_afk | categories should be concise. |
| 03:35.12 | Zeal | not perfect, but acceptable. |
| 03:35.23 | Adys | not acceptable for everyone |
| 03:35.28 | Sky2042_afk | to the point that there's enough information in a category, but not so that the category becomes so redundant to the article after which it is named. |
| 03:35.28 | Adys | just recode mediawiki |
| 03:35.34 | Adys | this wiki is owned by wikia right |
| 03:35.40 | Sky2042_afk | atm |
| 03:35.40 | Adys | so whats the problem |
| 03:35.45 | Sky2042_afk | ? |
| 03:35.52 | Sky2042_afk | wikia != mediawiki |
| 03:35.58 | Adys | eh so? |
| 03:36.07 | Adys | who's gonna recode mw? |
| 03:36.19 | Adys | dude mediawiki is an application |
| 03:36.21 | Zeal | that's what i tried to get across. why do you really care? none of you use it, and you won't even be viewing it. it's better than not having it and going back to before i started. |
| 03:36.29 | Adys | you install it by putting php files on a server |
| 03:36.31 | Zeal | which is essentially no one really caring. |
| 03:36.39 | Adys | if you change stuff in these files, it changes the behaviour of the application |
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| 03:36.57 | Adys | zeal, i use it tbh |
| 03:37.02 | Sky2042_afk | Adys: again, you should get right on that. wikia has enough issues as it is. |
| 03:37.09 | Zeal | wikimedia owns mediawiki, wikia is owned by the person who founded wikimedia. that's the only realtionship really. |
| 03:37.09 | Adys | am i paid? |
| 03:37.14 | Adys | i got a job thanks |
| 03:37.42 | Adys | no the relationship is wikia owns the servers the wowwiki engine runs on |
| 03:38.02 | Adys | so even if i wanted to i wouldnt be able to recode anything because i dont have direct access to it |
| 03:38.07 | Zeal | thats the relationship to WW, mine was jsut to wikia ;) |
| 03:38.07 | Sky2042_afk | no, you're not paid adys. but they aren't paid much either. |
| 03:38.15 | Adys | so what sky |
| 03:38.24 | Sky2042_afk | and they have the things they need to be doing to keep their job |
| 03:38.32 | Sky2042_afk | recoding the engine isn't one of them. |
| 03:38.38 | Adys | yes it fucking is |
| 03:38.51 | Adys | you dont have a clue how enterprises run or what? |
| 03:39.11 | Sky2042_afk | gah |
| 03:39.31 | Adys | you know the difference between a profit and non profit organization right? |
| 03:39.37 | Zeal | basically i'm jsut going to post the summary and example of what's been said here and them i'm off to bed. |
| 03:39.38 | Adys | here you go |
| 03:39.57 | Sky2042_afk | care to explain it? I'm not quite sure i recall. |
| 03:40.32 | Adys | profit organization = organization making profit out of its work |
| 03:40.59 | Sky2042_afk | which they won't do by recoding mw. but please, go on. |
| 03:41.07 | Adys | non profit organization = organization using the money at non-personal ends exclusively (server maintenance f.ex.) |
| 03:41.17 | Adys | yes sky ffs |
| 03:41.26 | Adys | you make profit out of a website by making it better |
| 03:41.38 | Adys | its internet traffic basics |
| 03:41.53 | Adys | you code a website, you get people, they see/click your ads, you make money |
| 03:42.06 | Adys | you make the website better, you attract more people, your website is worth more |
| 03:42.28 | Adys | wikia owns every wiki it runs |
| 03:42.44 | Adys | (not the content, which is licensed otherwise, but the wikis itself it does) |
| 03:43.36 | Adys | what im saying is, recoding the wiki engine is just like upgrading it to a newer version |
| 03:43.53 | Adys | its making the website better and not a volunteer's job |
| 03:44.04 | Adys | are things clearer? |
| 03:44.42 | Sky2042_afk | certainly. the issue with all of this is, and what i was trying to communicate at the beginning of that, was that our category problem is not wikia's. it's ours. |
| 03:44.59 | Adys | then things are not clearer |
| 03:45.18 | Adys | not gonna try, take it as it is or dont: its not a volunteer's job, it's wikia's |
| 03:45.21 | Sky2042_afk | and hence, why on WW:VP i suggested using DPL or semanticwiki, rather than this suicidal job of a category for every article |
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| 03:53.24 | Adys | enjoying hydrairc zurr? |
| 03:53.38 | [1]Zurr | just logged on it |
| 03:54.28 | Zurr | lol |
| 04:09.02 | Zeal | i'll stab someone if i get an edit conflict.. |
| 04:10.04 | Zeal | i wish i was good a 3d stuff |
| 04:10.21 | Zeal | would be fun to create the cat structure in 3d. |
| 04:12.59 | Zeal | i've becoem so anal about marking as patrolled now that i know how to do it :P |
| 04:13.12 | Zeal | anyway, nn all |
| 04:13.18 | Adys | nite z |
| 04:13.30 | Zeal | z-diddy? |
| 04:14.05 | Adys | z-axis no good at 3d |
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| 06:10.40 | Kurosaki_Ichigo | !time |
| 06:10.40 | harldephin | time: 2008 January 25 - 07:10:40 UTC+1 |
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| 12:56.37 | CanadianJeff | if I wanted to show my WoW charecter info on my website how would I go about doing that? |
| 12:57.06 | Kaso | hmm, depends |
| 12:57.59 | Kaso | there are various services that condence your wow char info into a single image, forums-signature stylie, you could use that, you could also go the hardcore way of sticking armory in an iframe but prob not the best idea |
| 12:58.58 | CanadianJeff | whats the easiest and best looking way? |
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| 12:59.29 | CanadianJeff | I wanna have it show stuff like my char class my char level.... etc |
| 13:00.22 | CanadianJeff | oh and the current realm that I am playing on |
| 13:00.30 | CanadianJeff | not required though |
| 13:00.35 | Kaso | google "wow character info signature" |
| 13:00.41 | |Pixel| | hmm :) |
| 13:00.42 | Kaso | and you'll prob find some userful stuff |
| 13:00.43 | CanadianJeff | got it |
| 13:01.18 | CanadianJeff | www.warcraftrealms.com/siginfo.php |
| 13:04.22 | Kaso | i can't believe i average 3gb of bandwidth a day |
| 13:04.36 | Kaso | and thats without any p2p/torrenting im at uni and thats all blocked |
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| 13:08.53 | Kaso | ugh, 3gb of bandwidth, what am i some isp advertising team >.<, ofc i mean 3gb of data transfer, as bandwidth is merely a rate of data transfer measure. |
| 13:12.15 | Polarina | bleeter: Do you think it's wise to reject test results from users who aren't permitted to use World of Warcraft (Violating the EULA, etc.)? |
| 13:13.55 | Kaso | i know im not bleeter but im curious Polarina, what's this in relation to? |
| 13:14.33 | Polarina | Kaso: One user submitted a test result and said that he didn't test it on the "official servers". |
| 13:14.46 | Kaso | what are these test results? |
| 13:15.09 | Kaso | I dont know what project you're working on |
| 13:15.22 | Polarina | Kaso: But it had terrible spelling and grammar so I rejected it anyway. :) |
| 13:15.26 | Polarina | Kaso: AppDB for Wine. |
| 13:15.38 | Kaso | Ah |
| 13:19.03 | Polarina | I like finding funny errors: |
| 13:19.03 | Polarina | AMD Phenom QuadCore 9500 2.2GHz |
| 13:19.03 | Polarina | Socket AM2+, 65nm, 4x512MB cache, 1800MHz FSB, Retail |
| 13:22.19 | Polarina | OMG! 16x Anti-aliasing Technology: Lightning fast, high-quality anti-aliasing at up to 16x sample rates obliterates jagged edges. |
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| 13:40.15 | Kaso | I dont see the error |
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| 13:56.51 | Fisker- | 2GB L2 cache? |
| 13:56.54 | Fisker- | that's a lot |
| 14:02.36 | Dotted | imagine wow running only on the cpu cache |
| 14:02.52 | Kaso | i spotted that one, the 16x Anti-aliasing was what was puzzling me |
| 14:03.18 | Kaso | damn those laws of physics preventing that dotted :< |
| 14:03.31 | Dotted | idd |
| 14:03.36 | Dotted | or crysis |
| 14:04.28 | Kaso | i'd pretty much revolutionise computing if you could get cpu caches as fast as they are right now, but as big as RAM. |
| 14:04.53 | Dotted | is big as harddrives imo |
| 14:04.56 | Dotted | 1TB cache ftw |
| 14:04.59 | Kaso | ha |
| 14:05.00 | Dotted | L1 ofc |
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| 14:08.35 | pcj | ~seen laurly |
| 14:08.42 | infobot | laurly <n=laurly@0x50a4082e.vgnxx4.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 3d 7m 49s ago, saying: 'ohh it is :)'. |
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| 14:14.02 | Darkis | anyone here good with auctioneer addon bug? |
| 14:29.16 | Kaso | i hate when people ask questions on irc then quit like 10sec later |
| 14:31.22 | Kalroth | [15:11] <Darkis> anyone here good with auctioneer addon bug? |
| 14:31.22 | Kalroth | [15:21] <-- Darkis has quit () |
| 14:31.30 | Kalroth | 10 minutes ;) |
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| 14:34.18 | Traveler8 | wow private sux |
| 14:34.25 | Traveler8 | Gave up in lvl 14 |
| 14:35.03 | Traveler8 | Low population + infinite rates + idiot GMs + idiot communities = fail |
| 14:35.40 | Kaso | Traveler8 please read the topic, the part about ToU |
| 14:36.00 | foxlit | Hm, the weather in Tarren Mill matches what's going on outside |
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| 14:36.17 | Kaso | also the link to the IRC rules.. |
| 14:36.58 | Traveler8 | Tou? |
| 14:37.16 | Traveler8 | now I see why ppl say wow, play it in the official servers or dont |
| 14:37.57 | foxlit | ~wowtou is http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/legal/termsofuse.html |
| 14:37.58 | infobot | foxlit: okay |
| 14:38.14 | Traveler8 | t.o.u. |
| 14:38.36 | Kaso | Basically what im trying to say is we dont like discussion of emulated servers around here, thanks very much |
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| 14:46.17 | dBarton | Hi, if I have German WoW client and my friend has enUS, will we be able to play on the same realm? |
| 14:46.57 | Kaso | it is possible but you'd have to basically buy a second US account, or he'd have to buy a EU account |
| 14:47.06 | Kaso | EU and US accounts are seperate |
| 14:48.44 | dBarton | Kaso: is there enGB account for trial? |
| 14:49.47 | Kaso | http://teaser.wow-europe.com/ |
| 14:49.52 | dBarton | And is it possible to play on the EU account from enUS client? |
| 14:50.22 | Kaso | yah you just need to change the realmlist in config.wtf to make a US client connect to EU account |
| 14:51.51 | dBarton | And a trial account? |
| 14:52.09 | dBarton | Without downloading the client? |
| 14:52.17 | Gourra | i.e. set realmlist us.logon.worldofwarcraft.com -> set realmlist eu.logon.worldofwarcraft.com |
| 14:52.29 | Gourra | You only have to set up a trial account, no need to download the client |
| 14:52.43 | Gourra | Then you can log on like normal on the client you have |
| 14:52.51 | dBarton | Thanks a lot. |
| 14:53.08 | Gourra | Just remember to switch back the us <-> eu in realmlist.wtf when you're done |
| 14:53.33 | dBarton | =) No need, EU ftw. |
| 14:53.49 | dBarton | Oh, and another question - is it possible to pay for membership online? |
| 14:56.27 | Kaso | not for wow vanlila |
| 14:56.43 | Kaso | i dont think at least |
| 14:57.41 | Kaso | but if you order a box from amazon.de get it shipped to your german friend then get him to tell you the key. you should be able to get that done fairly fast i think |
| 14:58.17 | dBarton | Oh, quite troublesome. |
| 14:58.22 | dBarton | But still doable. |
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| 15:01.12 | Kaso | its wierd, you can buy TBC online from blizzard, but not wow vanlila |
| 15:04.57 | foxlit | Has a nice region requirement to it :) |
| 15:08.10 | pcj | you can use the trial version tho |
| 15:09.57 | Zeal | you'd still need the relevent langauge files |
| 15:31.02 | pcj | any other templates which were replaced by css classes |
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| 15:40.01 | Lukian | Nazil the Merc in game is incorrectly flagged as humanoid :( |
| 15:40.11 | Lukian | Yarzill* |
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| 15:47.33 | Zeal | http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:WoW_Fonts_%26_Colors pcj? |
| 15:48.45 | pcj | k |
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| 16:11.55 | Adys | english subtitled movies |
| 16:12.08 | Adys | with generic subtitled in english |
| 16:12.13 | Adys | remind me of those people |
| 16:12.21 | Adys | who linebreak every 5 words |
| 16:17.31 | pcj | hmm |
| 16:17.34 | pcj | what do you mean |
| 16:17.50 | pcj | i don't know anyone like that |
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| 16:50.52 | Fisker- | Hey Adys go suck my |
| 16:50.54 | Fisker- | cock |
| 16:51.02 | Fisker- | massive win |
| 16:51.24 | sacarasc | not so much of "massive" |
| 16:51.42 | Adys | not so much of "win" either |
| 16:51.47 | Fisker- | :< |
| 16:51.58 | Fisker- | you forgot to use linebreaks |
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| 17:41.29 | Zurr | i had no idea NPCs were alliance only recipes |
| 17:45.34 | pcj | what? |
| 17:47.31 | Zeal | O_o |
| 17:47.57 | Bibi` | alliance players can make NPCs ? |
| 17:47.58 | Bibi` | damn. |
| 17:54.49 | pcj | field repair bots are npcs aren't they |
| 18:03.59 | Gourra | http://www.wowwiki.com/Kudi :| |
| 18:08.33 | Dotted | "When you're a Scientologist, and you drive by an accident, you know you have to do something about it, because you know you're the only one who can really help..." - Tom Cruise |
| 18:09.17 | Zeal | lol |
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| 18:11.08 | KirkTempete | Zeal |
| 18:12.01 | KirkTempete | MOb stands for Mobile OBject |
| 18:12.29 | KirkTempete | It's a term originating from mudds, I believe. |
| 18:13.44 | KirkTempete | It is traditionally capitalised, however, correctly done, it would be "MOb" and "MObs" |
| 18:14.57 | KirkTempete | see http://www.wowwiki.com/Mob |
| 18:16.51 | Zeal | see the WP article |
| 18:16.55 | Zeal | it's uncertain |
| 18:20.54 | Kyrin | Long as I've used the term, even from coding MUDs was "Mob" |
| 18:21.45 | Kyrin | based on just 'Mobile' we didn't use the word 'object' 'cause that was implied, everything was an object |
| 18:22.24 | Zeal | the uncertainty isn't over what to use, it's over the origin of the name, which effects how it's written and partly, it's meaning. |
| 18:22.48 | Zeal | but i really don't care tbh, hence i just used what WW uses. |
| 18:30.57 | KirkTempete | Well, I haven't met anyone from that far back that disagrees with "mobile" at the very least, Zeal. |
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| 18:31.20 | JHoersten2 | ...and these are the moments of our lives. |
| 18:31.23 | KirkTempete | And obviously it's widely accepted enough to have been placed on the article. |
| 18:31.30 | Zeal | that's fine, jsut pointing it out. |
| 18:32.00 | KirkTempete | Ok, I'm just wondering if by "it's uncertain" you mean "I don't like it." :P |
| 18:32.00 | Zeal | and on WP, it's not accepted. WW, it is. either way, whichever you use, is right. WW's decided on which one to use, so that's fine. |
| 18:32.06 | Zeal | nah |
| 18:32.30 | KirkTempete | wait, what is WP? |
| 18:32.36 | Zeal | wikipedia. |
| 18:32.40 | KirkTempete | ah |
| 18:32.51 | KirkTempete | I'll go look |
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| 18:33.18 | Zurr | are anyone elses javascripts not working? |
| 18:33.23 | Zeal | iirc, it's Mob (Mobile), MOb (Mobile Object) and MOB (file type) |
| 18:33.42 | KirkTempete | disambig says "a mobile object in role-playing games" |
| 18:33.44 | KirkTempete | :P |
| 18:34.08 | Zeal | mhm, the sprite article contained the MOB part iirc. |
| 18:34.56 | Zeal | easily today's most popular usage is Mob, but as Mobile being short for Mobile Object. |
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| 18:38.27 | KirkTempete | yes, I would agree with that, Zeal |
| 18:39.35 | KirkTempete | In reading the wikipedia article, I'm finding it interested there's a section that says it may have originated from lineage, but then goes on to say the term "mobile" was originally used by someone describing MUDs in a paper. |
| 18:40.53 | Zeal | yeah |
| 18:41.00 | Zeal | bit a mess |
| 18:41.03 | Zeal | *of a |
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| 18:45.25 | Zurr | kd3, your {{deleted}} template doesn't have any category to go with it |
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| 18:50.45 | Zeal | http://wowwiki.uni.cc forwarding fun |
| 19:03.55 | Zeal | hm.. marvel studios have struck a deal with the WGA, so their stuff is all back to normal again. |
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| 19:25.58 | Zeal | Why isnt DuTempete auto-patrolled? :( |
| 19:26.20 | KirkTempete | Because I'm above the law! |
| 19:26.43 | Zeal | lol |
| 19:27.04 | KirkTempete | how can you tell that it isn't? My pages haven't been edited in ages. |
| 19:27.41 | [Liquidor] | Good evening everyone. How's your weekend doing? |
| 19:28.05 | Zeal | not your pages, pages you edit. |
| 19:28.21 | Zeal | actually, not even in the RC/Skip list. |
| 19:28.41 | KirkTempete | howdy [liquidor] My weekend is going well... I just need to wake up a certain someone so we can go to the city today. |
| 19:28.53 | KirkTempete | I don't understand what you mean... |
| 19:29.40 | KirkTempete | since when are users patrolled? I thought it was articles that are. |
| 19:30.02 | kd3 | users in the patrollers group have the option to mark their own edits as patrolled in the prefs menu |
| 19:30.18 | KirkTempete | I'm not a patroller... |
| 19:30.34 | kd3 | well, there's your answer, zeal |
| 19:31.09 | Zeal | kd3, i thought there was an auto-patroll setting sysops can apply to users, no/ |
| 19:31.17 | kd3 | not afaik |
| 19:31.17 | Zeal | not limited to patrollers and above. |
| 19:31.21 | Zeal | hm.. kk then |
| 19:31.30 | Zeal | and mark own edits as patrolled is on by default now. |
| 19:31.32 | KirkTempete | why would a sysop apply auto-patrol to me? |
| 19:31.37 | kd3 | all I can do is add users to the ignore list of RC/Skip and [[WW:AVT]] |
| 19:31.39 | Zeal | theres no setting to turn it off. |
| 19:31.54 | Zeal | because they trust your edits are safe? |
| 19:32.52 | KirkTempete | Arbitrarily taking users' edits off patrol lists doesn't sound like a very good idea to me... |
| 19:33.20 | Zeal | does to me, and that's part of what the two lists kd3 mentioned it for |
| 19:33.32 | Zeal | i was put on it long before i became a watchdog. |
| 19:33.32 | KirkTempete | kd3, why would you choose to do that? |
| 19:33.49 | kd3 | because I'm tired of seeing edits from users I trust to not be vandalicious |
| 19:33.51 | Zeal | *mentioned are for. |
| 19:34.28 | KirkTempete | But what if I change my meds and decide to go vandalicious, just because I like the sound of the word? |
| 19:34.53 | Zeal | we can still check up on you ;) |
| 19:35.15 | KirkTempete | Kirky keeps a good eye on me :P |
| 19:35.17 | kd3 | my random but fairly consistent check of the regular recentchanges list would catch that |
| 19:35.36 | KirkTempete | hehe |
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| 19:35.57 | Zeal | as i've said previously, i've just become anal with marking edits as patrolled now. but i stick to my watch list only. i get tired of marking some people. Cobra and Sandwhich man for example. |
| 19:35.59 | Keolah | hi |
| 19:36.28 | Zeal | hey Keolah |
| 19:36.55 | KirkTempete | Heh... I have such a large number of articles watchlisted now, I could probably get away with joining watchdogs and doing the same, Zeal :P |
| 19:36.56 | Zeal | any new dreams for us today? :P |
| 19:37.07 | Zeal | probably, yeah. |
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| 19:37.12 | Keolah | No. |
| 19:37.14 | Zeal | i have a ton on mine too. |
| 19:37.21 | KirkTempete | You had an interesting dream, Keolah? |
| 19:37.31 | KirkTempete | But I would have to actually check my watchlist regularly, again. |
| 19:37.41 | KirkTempete | watchlist=trouble |
| 19:37.57 | Zeal | i've got a lan for th next 3 days btw, so i won't be around much at all. |
| 19:40.01 | aliesky | guys |
| 19:40.06 | KirkTempete | Don't worry, we won't miss you :P |
| 19:40.10 | Zeal | lol |
| 19:40.10 | KirkTempete | aliesky |
| 19:40.13 | Zeal | what's up aliesky? |
| 19:40.24 | aliesky | how much cost a account at Blizzard for WoW? |
| 19:40.46 | kd3 | blizz employees play for free |
| 19:40.59 | KirkTempete | EU or US? |
| 19:41.11 | aliesky | US |
| 19:41.12 | Zeal | that's on their "work accounts" only afaik kd3. |
| 19:41.19 | KirkTempete | $14.99/mo |
| 19:41.44 | aliesky | ah ok, thanks KirkTempete |
| 19:41.51 | aliesky | is cheap,lol |
| 19:41.54 | KirkTempete | You're welcome. |
| 19:42.14 | KirkTempete | Hehe, I suppose it could be seen that way. :P |
| 19:42.43 | Zeal | i need to remind myself when i last sub runs out, june or july i think. |
| 19:42.52 | KirkTempete | afk a min, I'm going to go harass you-know-who out of bed. |
| 19:42.58 | Zeal | lol, kk |
| 19:42.58 | Zurr | new poll on the US forums for favorite 5 man, http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=4191340970&sid=1 |
| 19:43.07 | Zeal | tell him Zeal broke the wiki ;) |
| 19:43.37 | Zeal | seperate region forums is a pain : / |
| 19:45.17 | Zeal | Tempest Keep: The Arcatraz it's probably say |
| 19:45.30 | Zeal | with Hellfire Citadel: The Shattered Halls as a close second |
| 19:45.55 | Zeal | not really for layout and bosses, but because i love the atmosphere and npc chatter in them. good fun. |
| 19:46.09 | Zeal | *i'd probably say |
| 19:48.38 | Zeal | 12th of March my sub runs out. |
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| 19:50.44 | Zeal | oo, i hadn't heard about the scroll of resurection program. get an old player to sub for a month, they get 10 days free tbc, and you get a free month on your sub. |
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| 20:18.12 | Zeal | okay, well i need to do some furniture reshuffling and clean up all my computer stuff. bbl |
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| 21:15.15 | pcj | lol wowhead and thottbot tooltips don't play well together |
| 21:15.30 | Sky2042_afk | lol. did you install both for wowwiki> |
| 21:15.41 | pcj | not for everyone, just me :P |
| 21:16.23 | Sky2042_afk | aye. |
| 21:16.49 | Sky2042_afk | i was thinking that we could add them both to the global js, but if they don't like each other... |
| 21:21.27 | pcj | is there any wow database which has xml rendering for NPCs |
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| 21:23.20 | Sky2042 | pcj: doubt it. |
| 21:23.28 | pcj | figures |
| 21:23.30 | Sky2042 | something to ask of wowhead ;) |
| 21:23.34 | pcj | i did... |
| 21:23.37 | pcj | they ignored me |
| 21:23.56 | Sky2042 | when and where? |
| 21:24.09 | pcj | about 3 minutes ago in #wowhead |
| 21:24.24 | Sky2042 | no, i mean as a feature request |
| 21:24.47 | pcj | where do you do that |
| 21:24.59 | Sky2042 | on the forums, or in an email |
| 21:25.16 | Sky2042 | http://www.wowhead.com/?forums&board=1 |
| 21:25.37 | Sky2042 | there's also feedback@wowhead.com |
| 21:25.47 | Sky2042 | either or, take your pick. |
| 21:27.09 | pcj | k |
| 21:28.08 | Sky2042 | or, a third option, would be to ping skosiris or mal|afk in #wowhead or in a pm |
| 21:28.28 | pcj | i've already requested it in the forums |
| 21:28.44 | Sky2042 | works for me |
| 21:31.21 | Kurosaki_Ichigo | :O |
| 21:31.33 | Kurosaki_Ichigo | вафелька |
| 21:31.47 | pcj | indeed |
| 21:32.56 | Kurosaki_Ichigo | » pcj » konnichiwa :) |
| 21:33.22 | Kurosaki_Ichigo | o-genki desu ka? |
| 21:33.55 | pcj | ohayou |
| 21:34.03 | pcj | <-- no japanese |
| 21:34.26 | Sky2042 | Kurosaki_Ichigo: english, please. |
| 21:34.49 | Kurosaki_Ichigo | ^_~ |
| 21:35.10 | Kurosaki_Ichigo | I don't speak english :( |
| 21:35.18 | pcj | that's ok, neither do we |
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| 21:36.05 | Kurosaki_Ichigo | but i speak russian ;) |
| 21:36.20 | pcj | Yeah, no help there |
| 21:36.30 | Kurosaki_Ichigo | suxx |
| 21:36.31 | Kurosaki_Ichigo | ЖВ |
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| 21:38.57 | pcj | wtb foxbot |
| 21:38.59 | pcj | ~foxbot |
| 21:39.00 | infobot | well, foxbot is a [[User:Foxbot]], ping foxlit to start if you dare. |
| 21:39.07 | foxlit | wts pcj |
| 21:39.13 | pcj | bop |
| 21:39.19 | pcj | you're stuck with me :( |
| 21:39.50 | foxlit | Can't I move you to some obscure bank bag? |
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| 21:41.03 | pcj | wtb sky better internet |
| 21:42.00 | Kurosaki_Ichigo | » pcj » :D 1Tbps ? :)) |
| 21:42.19 | Kurosaki_Ichigo | It's my dream :( |
| 21:42.20 | pcj | heh i'd take that |
| 21:43.04 | Kurosaki_Ichigo | 30kbps not so comfortable that wants |
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| 21:47.55 | Sky2042__ | pcj: me to |
| 21:59.52 | pcj | !wwstats |
| 21:59.56 | pcj | damn it |
| 22:03.53 | foxlit | no daily stats fix? :) |
| 22:12.38 | pcj | no foxbot fix :( |
| 22:13.10 | pcj | mmm foxlit when it's doing disambig'd pages shouldn't it put disambigpage |
| 22:13.17 | pcj | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Windtalker%27s_Wristguards_%28level_60%29&curid=152990&diff=1152181&oldid=1151504&rcid=1074764 |
| 22:15.36 | foxlit | maaaybe? |
| 22:19.59 | pcj | what's even the point of the Spell: pseudo-namespace... |
| 22:20.20 | foxlit | spellink and stuff |
| 22:20.30 | foxlit | s/l/ll/ |
| 22:20.32 | pcj | who uses spelllink? |
| 22:21.12 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Spelllink&limit=500&from=0 ? |
| 22:21.47 | pcj | So what's the point of that? |
| 22:21.57 | pcj | It just links to a spell page which doesn't tell you much more... |
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| 22:24.42 | foxlit | "...also make sure you know how to avoid virus injection" |
| 22:25.37 | pcj | Nasty needles |
| 22:26.19 | pcj | What's the difference between {{spelllink||set}} and {{spelllink||socket}} |
| 22:28.13 | foxlit | Styling |
| 22:29.00 | pcj | Not really |
| 22:29.10 | foxlit | *Potential styling |
| 22:31.50 | foxlit | But anyway, leave it |
| 22:32.15 | foxlit | It is not worth changing; it'll either die organically as pages are replaced, or it'll live on without harming anyone |
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| 22:54.33 | pcj | ugh i think eirik is worse than zeal at complaining about things |
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| 23:15.02 | Adys | woot |
| 23:15.03 | Adys | http://www.digg.com/comedy/You_Suck_at_Photoshop_Episode_4 |
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| 23:17.12 | pcj | hi kirkburn |
| 23:17.19 | Kirkburn | heya |
| 23:18.40 | Adys | heyo kirk |
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| 23:31.31 | Zeal | such a nice thing to say pcj :p |
| 23:33.26 | foxlit | hey zeal |
| 23:33.59 | foxlit | "Got love that foxlit and pcj have indirectly forced a rule to change to how i wanted it but was denied previously. Technical limitations ftw :P" we did what now? |
| 23:34.02 | Zeal | and spelllink was started by adys if i'm not mistaken, and extended by me. it simply displays the spell's text, based on id, and creates a link to the spell. was purely for use of item spells in tooltips, so effects, socket bonus etc. |
| 23:34.15 | Adys | yes |
| 23:34.40 | pcj | and not simply displaying the "spell"s text in the item tooltip why? |
| 23:34.48 | Zeal | oh, because of the way tooltip and it's related functions work, items HAVE to be on thier own pages. |
| 23:35.20 | Zeal | because people may wish to view the spell itself? |
| 23:35.24 | pcj | ...why |
| 23:35.30 | pcj | it doesn't provide any more info |
| 23:35.36 | Zeal | to see where else it is used possibly. |
| 23:35.58 | pcj | That's pretty rare for a spell to be used multiple places though |
| 23:36.09 | foxlit | actually |
| 23:36.14 | foxlit | spell damage spells are generally reused |
| 23:36.21 | foxlit | but you wouldn't want to see how they're reused |
| 23:36.28 | Zeal | i would ;) |
| 23:36.34 | Zeal | and lots are reused |
| 23:36.34 | foxlit | why? |
| 23:36.39 | pcj | That's what the search function is for |
| 23:36.54 | Zeal | why search when the link is right there? |
| 23:37.16 | pcj | Because you have to click, wait for the page to load, click something else, wait for that to load? |
| 23:37.37 | Zeal | huh? a search is longer |
| 23:37.50 | pcj | Not really |
| 23:37.52 | Zeal | we have no listing of where a spell would be used, atleast not yet. |
| 23:37.54 | pcj | Copy + paste, click |
| 23:38.02 | Zeal | but if anywhere, it's on the spells page |
| 23:38.09 | Zeal | so it's a single click. a search is longer. |
| 23:38.42 | pcj | It's still pretty useless as it is implemented now |
| 23:38.56 | Zeal | not all cases may display the full text, and the same text may not be the same spell. |
| 23:39.16 | pcj | Why would you care if it wasn't the same spell but not the same text? |
| 23:39.29 | pcj | but the same* |
| 23:39.30 | Zeal | research, curiosity? |
| 23:39.45 | pcj | ...that's pretty dumb research |
| 23:39.58 | Zeal | if you say so, lol |
| 23:40.06 | pcj | I really see absolutely no point in it |
| 23:40.29 | Zeal | some of the best things in life have no point. |
| 23:40.37 | pcj | Like what |
| 23:40.46 | Zeal | living. |
| 23:41.04 | Gourra | remember the patch that made items with +healing have +damage too? updating the spelllink will update all the items linked to it |
| 23:41.21 | pcj | ...or you could just update the individual items |
| 23:41.30 | Gourra | ...which would take much longer |
| 23:41.34 | pcj | Not really |
| 23:41.44 | pcj | Since neither is really happening it's a moot point |
| 23:43.21 | Gourra | http://www.google.com/custom?domains=wowwiki.com&q=%22Increases+healing+done+by+spells+and+effects+by+up+to%22&sitesearch=wowwiki.com&sa=Search&client=pub-5713967283907580&forid=1&channel=9345733685&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&cof=GALT%3A%2346ABFF%3BGL%3A1%3BDIV%3A%23EEEEEE%3BVLC%3A4274FF%3BAH%3Acenter%3BBGC%3A333333%3BLBGC%3AFFFF99%3BALC%3A46ABFF%3BLC%3A46ABFF%3BT%3AEEEEEE%3BGFNT%3AAAAAAA%3BGIMP%3AAAAAAA%3BLH%3A100%3BLW%3A100%3BL%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.wowwiki |
| 23:43.21 | Gourra | .com%2Fskins%2Fcommon%2Fimages%2Fwiki-100.jpg%3BS%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.wowwiki.com%2F%3BLP%3A1%3BFORID%3A1%3B&hl=en |
| 23:43.25 | Gourra | err |
| 23:43.27 | Gourra | pretty long |
| 23:43.32 | Gourra | I'll shorten that. |
| 23:43.33 | Zeal | lol |
| 23:43.56 | Gourra | http://tinyurl.com/29zhra |
| 23:43.58 | Gourra | Have fun |
| 23:44.35 | pcj | I'm not saying it doesn't need to be done, I'm saying most of those items don't even use spelllink |
| 23:45.09 | Zeal | well it was added after most items got a tooltip. |
| 23:45.30 | foxlit | Not really, no |
| 23:45.51 | pcj | /popcorn |
| 23:45.53 | Zeal | yes? |
| 23:46.43 | foxlit | Spelllink was relatively common before implementing bot-assisted item edits; the majority of items are bot-created now |
| 23:47.25 | Zeal | it was implemented during bot implementation, but long before bots were adding items themselves, yes. |
| 23:48.06 | foxlit | 11th of January 2007, vs say June 2007? |
| 23:48.18 | Zeal | which begs the question, why aren't bots using spelllink? |
| 23:48.31 | pcj | lol no spell data on armory? |
| 23:48.36 | Zeal | isn't june after i left? there were bots adding it before then. |
| 23:48.43 | Zeal | guess as much, lame. |
| 23:48.45 | foxlit | Hah |
| 23:49.02 | foxlit | {{tooltip}}: 29 December 2006; {{spelllink}}: 11 January 2007 |
| 23:49.10 | foxlit | I doubt 13 days make that much of a difference :P |
| 23:49.53 | foxlit | All spell data is inherently datamined |
| 23:49.56 | Zeal | there wasn;t that many items back then, so yeah, it did. |
| 23:50.24 | Zeal | all item data before armory was inherently datamine. point? |
| 23:50.25 | Kirkburn | If anyone sees gold ads urls, pass them on to me, and I'll give them to the blocking people :) |
| 23:50.36 | Zeal | coolies |
| 23:50.42 | foxlit | all item data after armory was not, point. |
| 23:50.47 | Zeal | did you seee the one of the main page dev Kirkburn? :P |
| 23:51.00 | foxlit | Plus stuff like IDs are exposed through the game/addon interface |
| 23:51.02 | foxlit | Spells are not. |
| 23:51.06 | Kirkburn | Zeal, yeah |