| 00:02.57 | foxlit | pcj, it's OVER NINE THOUSAND! |
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| 00:31.50 | winkiller | Gourra: same as with every 1h user |
| 00:31.59 | Gourra | 142? |
| 00:32.00 | winkiller | but don't ask number :( |
| 00:32.09 | winkiller | sounds roughly reasonable |
| 00:32.13 | winkiller | 88 is for pvp |
| 00:32.20 | winkiller | against equal level "mobs" |
| 00:32.22 | winkiller | iirc |
| 00:32.26 | Gourra | read that somewhere..and that's 9% |
| 00:32.30 | Gourra | (142) |
| 00:32.49 | Gourra | I'm thinking of dropping +hit on some items then, since I got 149 |
| 00:33.32 | winkiller | capping hit as tank is bit useles |
| 00:33.38 | winkiller | 80% is plenty |
| 00:34.26 | Gourra | I mean as dps :p |
| 00:34.30 | winkiller | ok :) |
| 00:36.40 | winkiller | iircI got 50-60 hit in tank gear |
| 00:36.48 | winkiller | missing bit much, would love 90 |
| 00:38.26 | Gourra | I'll see what I have |
| 00:40.15 | Gourra | 17 :/ |
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| 00:51.51 | winkiller | oh |
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| 00:56.54 | Kaso | What the fuck sweden, i leave england for one week and you sneak basshunter over here! |
| 00:57.06 | Kaso | How did he get to UK No1 >.< |
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| 00:58.57 | Gourra | 'the fuck |
| 00:58.59 | Gourra | basshunter sucks |
| 00:59.21 | Kaso | I know |
| 00:59.28 | Kaso | and yet there he is, on the radio |
| 00:59.31 | Kaso | i was most shocked |
| 00:59.58 | sacarasc | Botten Anna was cool... it had geekiness |
| 01:00.05 | Gourra | no. |
| 01:00.07 | Gourra | nothing was cool. |
| 01:00.15 | Kaso | The UK song is botten anna with non-nerdy lyrics |
| 01:00.38 | sacarasc | Gourra: any song about irc is cool |
| 01:00.42 | Kaso | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgFwiCApH7E |
| 01:00.55 | Gourra | any song from basshunter is crap and should be shot to death |
| 01:01.15 | Gourra | good god that's horrible Kaso |
| 01:01.31 | Gourra | the lyrics are crappier too |
| 01:02.27 | Kaso | mmm |
| 01:03.06 | Kaso | At least there was some humorous aspect to his swedish stuff anna and dota, this is just generic crap |
| 01:04.27 | Gourra | boten anna was a bit catchy, he should've kept it in swedish |
| 01:04.52 | Gourra | that DOTA song was meh |
| 01:06.14 | Kaso | Watching this video makes me wish clubs were like that in real life, 99% females on the dancefloor and zero queue at the bar |
| 01:06.21 | Kaso | if only real life were like that |
| 01:06.47 | Gourra | haha |
| 01:07.18 | Gourra | yeah and they were all females, and get to look at them all the time |
| 01:07.25 | Gourra | were all sexy* |
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| 01:28.59 | MilkMaid | hello |
| 01:32.00 | MilkMaid | All idle? =( |
| 01:34.48 | sacarasc | or is it? |
| 01:41.46 | FlAWD | . |
| 01:41.52 | MilkMaid | , |
| 01:42.14 | MilkMaid | Well can someone tell me where I can find an active WoW chatroom? |
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| 01:42.36 | FlAWD | #wowi-lounge or $norganna |
| 01:42.40 | FlAWD | #norganna rather |
| 01:57.27 | Kaso | im not sure i'd call norganna that active |
| 01:58.00 | Kaso | but MilkMaid if you want to talk about general wow stuff here or #wowhead are the best, wowi and norgs are mainly UI work |
| 01:58.21 | Kaso | Its a bit quiet here tonight for whatever reason |
| 01:58.36 | Kaso | its pretty late for the EU guys right now |
| 02:00.09 | MilkMaid | Okay thank you, looking for someone to roll a character with. |
| 02:00.46 | Kaso | Im not sure how much luck you'll have with that, but gl |
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| 11:29.03 | Zeal | swedish inavasion Kaso?!?! |
| 11:29.14 | Kaso | Basshunter1 |
| 11:29.16 | Kaso | ARrrrg! |
| 11:29.40 | Kaso | I thought i'd got away from him when i stopped playing wow, but there he is, on radio 1 and everything! |
| 11:32.39 | Zeal | i must inform my swedish friends of this discrace. |
| 11:33.14 | Zeal | it should never have left sweden :p |
| 11:33.22 | Kaso | hah indeed |
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| 12:07.06 | Zeal | bad music should be siezed at customs. |
| 12:07.46 | Zeal | make the sniffer dogs listen to it, if they don't like it, burn it. |
| 12:08.13 | Zeal | Well i got tides of darkness and sunwell ultimate edition today :) |
| 12:08.17 | Zeal | more reading to do. |
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| 15:01.35 | Polarina | On Leaving World Of Warcraft, Then... - http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=2405321193&sid=1 |
| 15:10.35 | Kalroth | Holy wall of text. |
| 15:11.02 | Polarina | Kalroth: It really makes you think... |
| 15:11.08 | Kalroth | It does? |
| 15:11.51 | Polarina | Kalroth: Yes. |
| 15:12.17 | Kalroth | His post can be summed down to "I've been playing this game for so long that nothing seems new. Please give me that feeling of 'new' back." |
| 15:12.30 | Polarina | Kalroth: No. |
| 15:13.07 | Kalroth | I quote; ".. the actual mechanics of the game are horribly repetitive and uninspired." |
| 15:13.27 | Zeal | 2) whine, no valid points there, just wanting something they can't have. |
| 15:13.32 | Kalroth | And again; "The same lack of inspiration.. " |
| 15:14.00 | Polarina | Zeal: It's not a whine, to be honest. |
| 15:14.07 | Zeal | that point was |
| 15:14.13 | Kalroth | "when you get a flying mount, you soon realise there was nothing really up there anyway... and you've just done another 10 levels of the same old geography." |
| 15:14.31 | Kalroth | "where are the actual unique sights to see?" |
| 15:14.36 | Zeal | asking for more game mechanics which no game is doing afaik. |
| 15:14.44 | Zeal | they all are unique |
| 15:14.52 | Zeal | he wants random |
| 15:15.09 | Kalroth | Like I said, he's just asking for the game to feel 'new' again, which wont happend. |
| 15:15.20 | Polarina | He is not. |
| 15:15.28 | pcj | Not until wrath comes out, anyway |
| 15:15.33 | pcj | Then it'll feel new again for a bit |
| 15:15.41 | Polarina | Kalroth: Be honest with me, did you really read that article? |
| 15:16.14 | Zeal | he wants the game to be new to him constantly. no game in existance can provide that yet. |
| 15:16.35 | Kalroth | Polarina: I did. Please specify the paragraph or sentence where he -isn't- complaning about the game feeling boring and repetitive. |
| 15:16.43 | Zeal | wow does a decent enough job at keeping things fresh with regular patches. |
| 15:17.06 | Kalroth | pcj: And that's what he does, he came back for TBC, but only for a few months. :) |
| 15:17.41 | Polarina | Zeal: What he is saying that it's boring to do the same thing over and over (Karazhan) and you can only do it in one way, have to stand on a specific spot or die. There are no other ways to do it and experiment. |
| 15:18.33 | Zeal | there's plenty actually polarina. |
| 15:18.42 | Zeal | but once you've done soemthing to death, ofc it gets boring |
| 15:18.48 | Zeal | there's no changing that. |
| 15:20.21 | Polarina | Back before The Burning Crusade, epics were really epics, now they are just "PURPLZ" and doesn't require a great challange to get your hands on. |
| 15:20.46 | Zeal | i'm not even going to touch that, been explained to death. |
| 15:24.57 | Polarina | I find a lot of people just doing the same thing over and over... Raiding Karazhan, violate the role-playing policy in Goldshire, leveling, grinding reputation, trolling the forums and more to count... |
| 15:26.55 | pcj | if you don't like it polarina why not quit |
| 15:26.58 | Zeal | didn't say wow wasn't boring. just that he wants something that isn't possible. |
| 15:28.50 | Zeal | iirc, i got the game, played for a few months, took a 3 month break, came back, thne a 6 month break, friends pulled me back, another 6 month break, came back for tbc, another break for 2 months, friends pulled me back, quit again. :p |
| 15:29.20 | Zeal | an i probably won't go back until wotlk |
| 15:29.22 | Zeal | *and |
| 15:29.30 | Polarina | Zeal: It isn't possible to create quests that aren't "Kill X mobs", "Collect X brains from Kobolds", "(PvP & Daily) Capture a tower", etc.? |
| 15:30.00 | Zeal | there are plenty quests unlike that |
| 15:30.02 | Kalroth | Polarina: You're looking for a single player game, where the questlines are unique and intriguing. |
| 15:30.20 | Zeal | the latter of which was a new edition once which got people excited. |
| 15:30.41 | Polarina | Kalroth: I know of lots of quests that aren't of that kind in the Old World, but you can barely find any in Outland. |
| 15:30.50 | Zeal | *addition |
| 15:31.48 | Kalroth | Polarina: You're playing a game with over 9 million other people. Whatever Blizzard does, someone will have done it before you and many will do it after you. But feel free to suggest a quest that allows everyone to feel immerse in the storyline, without involving killing mobs or players, without gathering stuff or without doing something that's special for you. |
| 15:31.56 | Kalroth | Polarina: You do? Feel free to name just one. |
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| 15:32.44 | Kalroth | Name just one quest that doesn't involve killing/grinding mobs/players and where the reward is some kind of currency. |
| 15:32.56 | Polarina | Kalroth: The Cryo-Core. The Red Crystal. Now I named two. |
| 15:33.01 | Zeal | i'd love a SP wow though ofc ;) miss the rts campaigns. |
| 15:33.13 | Kalroth | The Cryo-Core |
| 15:33.13 | Kalroth | Vindicator Kuros at Blood Watch wants you to recover 12 boxes of Medical Supplies. |
| 15:33.16 | Kalroth | ........ |
| 15:33.29 | Polarina | Kalroth: Well, just that part of the chain... |
| 15:33.40 | Kalroth | The Red Crystal |
| 15:33.40 | Kalroth | Travel east of Auberdine and look for a large, red crystal along Darkshore's eastern mountain range. Report back what you find to Sentinel Glynda Nal'Shea in Auberdine. |
| 15:33.50 | Polarina | Kalroth: But The Red Crystal chain is great. :) |
| 15:33.57 | pcj | ... |
| 15:34.04 | Srosh | And to be fair, that's not "the old world", that's been part of the TBC expansion. |
| 15:34.09 | pcj | i think the tuber quest in shadowmoon is fun |
| 15:34.23 | Kalroth | Step 1, find item. Step 2, use item. Step 3, return item. |
| 15:34.37 | Zeal | the fel hound poop one is fun, lol |
| 15:34.52 | Kalroth | Seriously Polarina, what is your highest level character? Have you even entered a raid instance? |
| 15:35.15 | Polarina | Kalroth: My highest level character is 70 and the raid I've been in is Zul'Gurub. |
| 15:35.32 | Kalroth | Because if you find this questline: http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=4811 then I have a hard time seeing why you think WoW is boring. |
| 15:35.39 | pcj | lol ZG |
| 15:35.45 | Kalroth | find this questline fun: |
| 15:36.07 | Gourra | Polarina: if the game is so static then come up with some quests that are "better", and suggest them to Blizzard |
| 15:36.11 | Zeal | hey, before TBC i had only been in AQ20 ;) |
| 15:36.20 | Polarina | Kalroth: Sure, it is fun, but there are too many of "Kill X mobs" type quests. |
| 15:36.56 | Gourra | It's interesting the amount of players who keep whining about the game being so static, yet they can't come up with something solid that could change it |
| 15:36.57 | Kalroth | Polarina: Hence I suggested you to come up with something better. Keep in mind that it has to apply to more than just one player. |
| 15:37.21 | Kalroth | So far you've said that you're tired of "kill x mobs", but you like "find x item" quests. :) |
| 15:37.28 | Zeal | because the sheer amount of quests requires a few staple types to build from. nothing wrong with those quests themselves, any quest type that repeats gets boring. they're mixed fairly well with varying types. |
| 15:37.50 | Polarina | Kalroth: Not really tired of them, there are just too many. :O |
| 15:38.14 | Polarina | Kalroth: The Missing Diplomat is fun! |
| 15:38.19 | Polarina | Kalroth: An Unsent Letter. |
| 15:38.54 | Kalroth | What most people don't get about mmorpgs is that it's not the game itself that's important (It helps a lot, sure). It's the people in the game. If you don't play an mmorpg for the sake of playing with other people, then you might as well play a single player game. |
| 15:39.13 | Zeal | gah, making me want to level up an alliance just for that : / |
| 15:39.16 | Kalroth | And you -will- get tired of the game content very fast. Just like you wouldn't play a single player more than max 2-3 times. |
| 15:39.41 | Gourra | I hate single player games, just because it's so damn static. There's point A to point B |
| 15:40.24 | Gourra | MMO's really made it better for me tbh. You can interact with other people, teamplay, getting rewards for something |
| 15:40.33 | Zeal | thats true, but i enjoy it more Kalroth :p short lived joy and fond memories, or a constant less than enjoyable experience :p |
| 15:41.07 | Polarina | Kalroth: Uh..., no. What I'm trying to say is that most of the quests are the same thing, killing. |
| 15:41.29 | Polarina | Kalroth: There was one fun quest in Outland I really enjoyed, let me find it... |
| 15:42.00 | Kalroth | Polarina: Well same can be said for the quests you linked. "The Missing Diplomat" is just a "find x item/npcs" quest. It's been done a ton of times and it's still being done. |
| 15:42.40 | Kalroth | No game company will every invent the perfect game interaction. Not until they get inside the head of people anyways. :) |
| 15:42.55 | Polarina | Kalroth: Gauging the Resonant Frequency |
| 15:43.14 | Polarina | Kalroth: That's one of the quests I REALLY liked! :D |
| 15:43.30 | Kalroth | MMOs got a strong tool from the presence of other players, because people are as random as it gets. :) |
| 15:44.27 | Kalroth | People moan about doing instance pugs, but in reality it's what makes it fun. That you don't know how other people will react, how you will react to them. |
| 15:44.53 | Polarina | Kalroth: That's fun too. :) |
| 15:45.18 | Polarina | Kalroth: But not repeating the same instance over and over, that's really boring... |
| 15:45.38 | Polarina | Kalroth: Ten times is, well, ok, but houndreds of times is insanity! |
| 15:45.42 | Kalroth | Polarina: With the same people, sure. But if you go with different people everytime, then it's something else. |
| 15:45.50 | Zeal | i hate pugs. but questing and leveling with 2+ friends and doing instances, that's great fun. |
| 15:46.30 | Kalroth | It's garanteed to give you a different experience everytime. And that is what keeps people hooked. |
| 15:46.44 | Polarina | Kalroth: Yep, but not hundreds of times! That is, the same instance... |
| 15:46.46 | Zeal | and alot of the time i would often hear people prefered the 10-man atmosphere and challanges. mroe than that and it just lost the joy, less than that and it wouldn't feel as "epic". |
| 15:46.47 | Kalroth | But people still want familiarity in some degree though, hence guilds are a Good Thing (tm). :) |
| 15:47.03 | Lukian | pugs are fun when you get to outdps everyone else as the tank! http://ace.pastey.net/80850 |
| 15:47.05 | Gourra | It would be very boring if it was like "kill 10 brown boars" "kill 15 white boars" "kill grey boars to get their tusks" "kill spiney boars to get their spleens" etc |
| 15:47.05 | Kalroth | Polarina: Nope, of course not. But that's why there's what? 20 5man instances in the game now. |
| 15:47.34 | Zeal | lol lukian |
| 15:47.57 | Kalroth | Lukian: I've tanked Shadow Lab and done over 90% of the damage at the same time. :) |
| 15:48.06 | Zeal | prot pala, no suprise, they pump out lots of dps in 5mans :) |
| 15:48.06 | Lukian | XD |
| 15:48.10 | Kalroth | Of course, we 2 manned it and I dps-tanked, but still :P |
| 15:48.40 | Polarina | Gourra: Yes, that is boring. Well not boring, but if over 65% of all quests in a zone is like that, THEN it becomes boring. |
| 15:49.08 | Gourra | To be honest, BC made it better for instances. Why? Because people has to THINK now. What CC should I use? What mobs do I need to kill, and which ones don't I have to? Not to mention that there's tactics. Take for example Talong King Ikiss, and Warlord Kalithresh. You need to THINK to complete that. |
| 15:49.27 | Gourra | Polarina: my example was specifically boars. |
| 15:49.31 | Zeal | nessingwary quest for example, still feel over the top, with numbers, but atleast it finally accumulates into some nice group quests. |
| 15:50.03 | Gourra | I hate Nesingwary. He should be shot. Or trampled by all the animals he wants us to kill. |
| 15:50.09 | Gourra | We are destroying the wildlife! |
| 15:50.20 | Zeal | lol |
| 15:50.31 | Polarina | Gourra: Tactics, yes they are fun. But mostly, there's only one tactic and you, in most cases, can't tweak them a little bit there and there... |
| 15:50.47 | Zeal | i never found that at all. |
| 15:50.55 | Gourra | Sure you can, but it's easier to make one tactic that works |
| 15:51.04 | Zeal | my friends, my guild. always experimented and used our own. |
| 15:51.17 | Gourra | Want to stand in the arcane explosion? Sure, go ahead, but be prepared to take that huge amount of damage |
| 15:51.33 | Zeal | doing kara bosses 8-9 man and weird setups, good laugh and a challange :P |
| 15:51.51 | Gourra | You want to risk getting Warlord Kalithresh enraged? Go ahead, but keep in mind that you WILL need extra healing, and prepare for the damage. Shield Wall, anyone? |
| 15:52.15 | Gourra | (paladins are screwed of course, druids can use Frenzied Regeneration) |
| 15:52.19 | Polarina | Yes, these aren't boring, doing instances is fun. It's mostly the killing quests (The amount of quests of that type are insane). |
| 15:52.59 | Gourra | Then come up with other quests that aren't: 1) collect x items 2) kill y amount of mobs |
| 15:53.37 | Polarina | Gourra: No problem. :) |
| 15:53.42 | Gourra | Then do it. :) |
| 15:53.47 | Zeal | blizz do, and implement them with variant forms in the future if they turn out a success. |
| 15:54.10 | Zeal | and thne people like the OP whien that they're boring and non new :p |
| 15:54.16 | Zeal | *not |
| 15:55.05 | Zeal | alternative i guess is no quests. how fun is that? :P |
| 15:55.13 | Gourra | Griiiiiiiind |
| 15:55.15 | Gourra | Griiiiiiind |
| 15:55.46 | Gourra | Polarina: lost your tongue? :) |
| 15:55.54 | Gourra | Or maybe it's fingers since you can't talk over IRC. |
| 15:56.06 | Zeal | no need to provoke. |
| 15:56.49 | Polarina | Gourra: Nope. :) |
| 15:57.06 | Gourra | So have you come up with a quest? Since you said it was no problem. |
| 15:57.50 | Kalroth | Speaking of grinding, it's AV weekend \o/ |
| 15:57.59 | Gourra | Yay. /o/ |
| 15:58.10 | Lukian | <Gourra> We are destroying the wildlife! <- Why doesn't he include Elekk's then? |
| 15:58.11 | Kalroth | Time to head home and join the premade! |
| 15:58.22 | Gourra | He does in the last one |
| 15:58.26 | Zeal | indeed |
| 15:58.32 | Polarina | Gourra: Pure poison on the grass and retrieve the bears skin as proof of not drinking the liquit. |
| 15:58.34 | Lukian | only one! :D |
| 15:58.51 | Zeal | a big mean one :P |
| 15:59.01 | Gourra | Bear skins = kill bears to get x items |
| 15:59.03 | Gourra | Next |
| 15:59.08 | Zeal | lol |
| 15:59.29 | Gourra | Or will you kindly ask them to peels their own skin off? Barbarian. |
| 15:59.32 | Polarina | Gourra: But with the possibility to actually drink the liquit if you really wanted to. :) |
| 15:59.48 | Gourra | And then you'll fail the quest. \o/ |
| 15:59.56 | Polarina | Gourra: Nope... |
| 16:00.21 | Gourra | Yes you will as you said you would have to pour the poison not drink it |
| 16:01.15 | Zeal | so you want multiple end point quests? |
| 16:01.48 | Gourra | Lol, that's like saying "NO I DON;T WANT TO KILL THESE DAMN BOARS, GO TO HELL NESINGWARY!" |
| 16:01.49 | Gourra | caps |
| 16:02.30 | Polarina | Zeal: Yes, where you can actually decide for yourself what you want your character to do, instead of following the exact same path as everyone else did... |
| 16:02.34 | Zeal | i'd imagine blizz could implement that in a very limited form, but nothing like open ended quests or anything. |
| 16:02.59 | Gourra | So if I would, say, drink the poison, what would happen? |
| 16:03.37 | Polarina | Gourra: For example, you turn into a attractive female bear. Then you can aggro all the other bears and run back to the quest giver. :P |
| 16:04.08 | Srosh | There's the ones in Desolace where you can side with one of the centaur clans. |
| 16:04.24 | Gourra | Srosh: yeah by killing lots and lots and lots of centaurs. |
| 16:04.28 | Polarina | Srosh: But it's in the form of killing... |
| 16:05.16 | Gourra | Polarina: then what's the point of him handing out the poison if you'll just pour it? And won't HE kill the bars if you take them to him? He could, of course, be a druid and tell the bears to peel off their hides. |
| 16:05.22 | Zeal | and yours alternative path is also an existing quest type |
| 16:05.22 | Gourra | bears* |
| 16:05.25 | Zeal | *your |
| 16:05.42 | Polarina | I was just mentioning one... |
| 16:06.04 | Zeal | i know, just pointing out the double standard there. |
| 16:06.50 | Gourra | It appearantly wasn't working out any good. Got any other suggestions? |
| 16:06.58 | Zeal | Srosh was showing that multiple path options do exist, but not quite via the same mechanic as you're talking about |
| 16:07.32 | Gourra | Oh! I know one quest that DOESN'T involve killing or collect x items! |
| 16:07.49 | Gourra | The "Poisoning the aldor's soup" quest for Scyers |
| 16:07.57 | Srosh | There are plenty - just take all those "go to x quests". |
| 16:07.59 | Polarina | Gourra: :P |
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| 16:08.08 | Zeal | that one is done via factions, while yours would be done via the quest itself, which hasn't been done before. but same principle and end result could be achieved. |
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| 16:08.46 | Zeal | there' even, "go watch x do y in z and come back" quests. |
| 16:08.47 | Gourra | But it's different from the killing and collecting quests |
| 16:09.05 | Gourra | Sure, you might have to kill a few blood elves to gain rep with them |
| 16:09.14 | Gourra | But! you can buy the signets |
| 16:09.47 | Zeal | once again, all quest types blizz throw in to experiment and keep things fresh, while the the bulk of quests is made up of simple ones of killing and collecting. |
| 16:09.51 | Polarina | Gourra: A example of a already exisiting quest with multiple endings are "Escaping by Force" and "Escaping by Stealth". |
| 16:10.09 | Gourra | Such as ? |
| 16:10.22 | Gourra | Name one quest |
| 16:10.27 | Polarina | Gourra: I did. |
| 16:10.59 | Gourra | That's funny, because I just looked up those and didn't find any quests that matched with them. |
| 16:11.07 | Polarina | Gourra: Wait. |
| 16:11.09 | Zeal | indeed, nothing on wh ; / |
| 16:11.31 | Zeal | escape through force? |
| 16:11.50 | Polarina | s/by/Through/ |
| 16:11.54 | Polarina | Zeal: Yes. |
| 16:11.59 | Zeal | choice of which quest to start. |
| 16:12.06 | Zeal | that works too. |
| 16:12.18 | Polarina | Zeal: It's a part of a chain. |
| 16:12.23 | Zeal | yuup |
| 16:12.28 | Zeal | just saying. |
| 16:12.34 | Polarina | Zeal: :P |
| 16:13.22 | Zeal | the other idea was choice of how to end the quest, which i'd imagine is more troublesome to implement, so this one makes more sense. |
| 16:13.39 | Gourra | You can end it by letting him die. :P |
| 16:13.45 | Zeal | lol |
| 16:14.08 | Zeal | you could say declining and failing quests are choices, yeah :p |
| 16:14.25 | pcj | why do pages use {{img}} instead of conventional [[Image:]] syntax |
| 16:15.26 | Zeal | because it provides more flexability and control. if they were done by me, it was before MoS, anyone else, likely because [[Image:]] sucked at what they were trying to achieve or didn't know what theyy were doing. |
| 16:15.40 | pcj | well they didn't know what they were doing then lol |
| 16:15.48 | pcj | because they didn't really have any special styling |
| 16:16.39 | Gourra | http://www.wowwiki.com/Main_Page/MeoWWiki heh |
| 16:16.53 | Zeal | well [[Image:]] clears, so {{img}} may have been used to make images be side-by-bside. |
| 16:16.54 | Gourra | "Confused in Catazhan? Check out the Catazhan guide!" |
| 16:16.56 | Zeal | *side |
| 16:17.11 | Zeal | lol |
| 16:18.02 | Zeal | that happened to be the case with [[Black Citadel and Temple]] btw ;) |
| 16:18.31 | pcj | They didn't really need to be side by side |
| 16:18.46 | Gourra | Cat-speak = Category:Game_Terms |
| 16:19.08 | Zeal | didn't say they needed to be, just what the person intended. which i suspect was more of baggins. |
| 16:19.11 | Zeal | *me |
| 16:19.13 | Zeal | *or |
| 16:29.50 | Gourra | grr I can't find the patch where they changed rock flayers in netherwing mine to beasts |
| 16:31.03 | winkiller | yeah, patchlog isn't quite easy to tracl |
| 16:32.42 | Zeal | be nice to have such notes in the mob's page :P |
| 16:33.15 | Gourra | yeah that's what I was going to do |
| 16:33.31 | Gourra | someone didn't add [[Rock flayer]] to {{races}} :/ |
| 16:33.38 | Gourra | so I did it myself. eh |
| 16:34.45 | pcj | grats? |
| 16:35.05 | Gourra | well someone's going to do it. |
| 16:35.10 | Gourra | someone has* |
| 16:53.45 | A2` | You might have heard/read about it yesterday on several sites (such as Nihilum or SK-Gaming), a german player "Tyram" reached the Gold limit which is 214.748 gold, 36 silver and 46 copper. In this screenshot, a gamemaster admitted that him and the EU gm team are amazed that a single player managed to reach it, he also confirmed the gold cap. |
| 16:53.45 | A2` | Lifeblood of Spinebreaker server posted (WoW Forums) that the gold cap made perfect sense. Since the maximum limit is 2 to the power of 31, it is a signed int32 - a type of coding used by most developers. All in all, the total amount is plus or minus 2,147,483,647 copper. |
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| 16:55.27 | Polarina | A2`: But how did he do it? |
| 16:55.55 | A2` | its explained in the article |
| 16:56.10 | A2` | on worldofraids |
| 16:56.44 | A2` | 27.000 gold before BC... |
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| 16:57.52 | Zeal | he says mainly from buying low and selling high, that's it. |
| 16:58.13 | Zeal | post-tbc, from that + jc and er.. some other proff. |
| 16:58.19 | Polarina | A2`: The gold cap was confirmed on 2.2 PTR in EU, but it wrapped around (Losing money). I guess Blizzard fixed that before releasing that patch. |
| 16:58.54 | Zeal | throw all your moneyo n one char, make multiple copies of it to the ptr, presto :p |
| 16:59.46 | Zeal | i couldn't even afford my epic flying skill with 2 copies, and that's before i started raiding. |
| 16:59.49 | Polarina | Zeal: No, he was just selling the Moongoze enchant, which is really expensive on the PTR. |
| 17:00.03 | Zeal | lol, kk |
| 17:00.27 | Zeal | wonder why no one reported it and think this is the first time then? |
| 17:00.40 | Zeal | blizz even stated that they were shocked anyone could reach it. |
| 17:01.18 | Gourra | I really hate how "=" and "???" breaks {{questlong}} |
| 17:01.35 | Polarina | Zeal: It was reported. :) |
| 17:02.14 | Zeal | well apparently not by anyone reporting on this :p |
| 17:02.27 | Zeal | how so Gourra? |
| 17:02.44 | Gourra | http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Questlong |
| 17:03.04 | Polarina | I wonder how one could really spend all that money. Even doing buyout/bid on all the items on the Auction House wouldn't be enough to spend it all. |
| 17:03.40 | Zeal | i know the template Gourra|afk, just not what you're talking about :P |
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| 17:04.27 | Zeal | well that's what the guy complained about Polarina, he can't really find anything to buy with it anymore. |
| 17:05.26 | Zeal | should have monthly rent fee for playing housing ;) |
| 17:07.24 | Polarina | "Blizzard also messaged me and suspended my account - luckily it was unlocked after 2 hours (after checking the account)." |
| 17:07.51 | Zeal | indeed. suspected foul play, who wouldn't? |
| 17:10.39 | Polarina | I'm always afraid of the Auction House, somehow... |
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| 17:13.09 | Polarina | The only thing I'm not afraid of is to buy items and sell it to vendors for more... |
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| 17:14.31 | Polarina | I want to see how long it takes him to reach that limit. :P |
| 17:14.32 | Zeal | i wouldn't and don't trust a game's economy to it's players. |
| 17:14.56 | Zeal | so going off that, i'd prefer the AH to have certain pricing restrictions. |
| 17:15.48 | Gourra | Zeal: sorry, bad example |
| 17:15.53 | Gourra | http://www.wowwiki.com/Quest:Breaching_the_Path_%28Alliance%29 |
| 17:15.57 | Gourra | see the next part |
| 17:16.57 | Zeal | if you mean "Blood Elf + Giant = ???", it seems fine. |
| 17:17.18 | Zeal | just not in the infobox : / |
| 17:17.23 | sacarasc | magic loving ogres? :o |
| 17:17.24 | Gourra | it shows as [70] Unknown to me |
| 17:17.32 | Gourra | yeah that's what I meant Zeal |
| 17:19.17 | Gourra | see also http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Quest:Gor%27tesh_the_Brute_Lord&oldid=816183 |
| 17:19.26 | Gourra | boo wrong one |
| 17:19.43 | Gourra | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Ethereum_Relay_Data&oldid=1062229 |
| 17:19.43 | Gourra | there |
| 17:19.54 | Gourra | it's not only in {{tooltip}} |
| 17:20.26 | Gourra | strange thing is that it says "Unknown" but it links to "Quest:Uknown" |
| 17:20.31 | Gourra | frankly makes no sense. |
| 17:20.32 | Zeal | got two options there. Use "=" instead of "=" or use "3=Blood Elf + Giant = ???". tbh i prefer the latter. |
| 17:21.11 | Zeal | what no sense? makes perfect sense, and it does that because i made it do that isntead of simply breaking the link completely and showing the template code. |
| 17:21.18 | Zeal | *why |
| 17:21.32 | Gourra | or make it too [[Image:Alliance_15.gif]] [70] [[Quest:Blood Elf + Giant = ???|Blood Elf + Giant = ???]] |
| 17:22.05 | Zeal | fyi, you don't need to provide the 4th param if its the same as the 3rd. |
| 17:22.18 | Zeal | noticed lots of people have been doing that and it's not needed. |
| 17:22.22 | Gourra | oh, http://www.wowwiki.com/Quest:The_Path_of_Conquest_%28Alliance%29/Quest_chain solves the problem. |
| 17:22.33 | Gourra | {{questlong|Alliance|70|Blood Elf + Giant = ???|Blood Elf + Giant = ???|id=10774}} |
| 17:22.33 | [NewsBot] | Gourra meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Blood_Elf_+_Giant_=_??? |
| 17:22.43 | Gourra | uh no I didn't |
| 17:22.55 | Zeal | lol |
| 17:23.04 | Zeal | yeah, that's what i said. :p |
| 17:24.01 | Gourra | I tried that before but it wouldn't work. :/ |
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| 17:24.48 | Zeal | funny thing in that one is they provided the 4th param. now if it wasn't for the = it in, which instead changes it to {{{Blood Elf + Giant }}} = ???, you'd have a screwed up display on the link. the 4th param isn't needed. |
| 17:25.14 | Gourra | http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Whatlinkshere/Quest:Uknown mission accomplished. \o/ |
| 17:25.31 | Zeal | :p |
| 17:25.52 | Gourra | by the way, why are there so many "broken" server links? |
| 17:26.24 | Zeal | like what? |
| 17:27.14 | Zeal | if i knew, i'd have one. |
| 17:27.33 | Gourra | Daily quests. \o/ |
| 17:27.33 | pcj | daily quests |
| 17:27.34 | Zeal | had 4k, thne i started raiding, i have about 400 now. |
| 17:27.42 | Gourra | Leveling alts and selling all the trash |
| 17:28.11 | Zeal | dailies let me break even with raiding costs. |
| 17:28.29 | Gourra | I have 2 characters with epic flying mount, and I still have 4.8k :/ I guess it's just from the farming and trash selling |
| 17:28.31 | pcj | what are you zeal that you have so much costs |
| 17:28.41 | Gourra | My guess is warrior |
| 17:28.42 | pcj | i make 1000g a week and i'm the MT |
| 17:29.28 | Zeal | hunter, skin+ds lw. |
| 17:29.56 | pcj | and what raiding costs do you have? :S |
| 17:30.04 | Zeal | it was repairs, arrows/bullets, consumable mats. |
| 17:30.20 | pcj | mmm bullets must be awfully expensive lol |
| 17:30.33 | pcj | or your server's prices are jack |
| 17:30.52 | Zeal | seemed slightly worse than average, but not crazily so. |
| 17:31.04 | Zeal | but then average is crazy imo, meg. |
| 17:31.06 | Zeal | *meh |
| 17:32.37 | Zeal | becoming officer and then GL, i took several hours away from my playtime so plenty of days i couldn't even have enough time to collect pet food and such. |
| 17:32.49 | Zeal | *it |
| 17:34.38 | Gourra | can someone tell me what's wrong with http://www.wowwiki.com/Jim_Lee? |
| 17:34.57 | Zeal | luckily managed to borrow a friend's herbalist near the end, saved me a few hundred gold which i didn't have. |
| 17:35.16 | Gourra | tried linking from http://www.wowwiki.com/Stranger_in_a_Strange_Land#Cover_Artwork |
| 17:35.27 | Zeal | auto-redirect's don't work for interwiki links? |
| 17:35.28 | pcj | interwiki links aren't handled by redirects |
| 17:35.37 | Gourra | oh. okay |
| 17:35.46 | Gourra | I'll just edit them one by one then. |
| 17:35.52 | pcj | have fun |
| 17:36.03 | Gourra | thanks. |
| 17:36.08 | pcj | np anytime |
| 17:37.50 | Gourra | grats? |
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| 17:47.31 | Kyrin | waiting? |
| 17:47.32 | Zeal | i hate you mw parser.. |
| 17:47.39 | Kyrin | we don't get interest |
| 17:47.44 | Kyrin | ;_; |
| 17:48.07 | Zeal | haha |
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| 17:49.46 | Kyrin | see, guild bank should get interest at least, 'cause that money is technically stored "in the bank" whereas your character technically has it "on his/her person" |
| 17:50.06 | Kyrin | unless they have a "super secret automatic debit card system" |
| 17:51.30 | Zeal | i want to by stock in new goblin enterprises |
| 17:51.35 | Zeal | *buy |
| 17:51.47 | Arideni | I figure the capital cities don't need to borrow your money considering the lack of expenditures they obviously have |
| 17:54.04 | pcj | stormwind could buy a larger army |
| 17:55.52 | Zeal | they could also buy a new feel seeing as the last one is missing :P |
| 17:55.57 | Zeal | *fleet |
| 17:56.17 | Kyrin | yeah, that'd be nice |
| 17:56.33 | Kyrin | or maybe find a better place for their flight point? something a bit more central? |
| 17:56.42 | Zeal | probably wouldn't have lost the kind then ;) |
| 17:56.51 | Zeal | ffs.. |
| 17:56.52 | Zeal | *king |
| 17:57.31 | pcj | the gnomes could rebuild their city |
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| 18:01.17 | Zeal | hm.. why the hlel is subst: not working for me : / |
| 18:01.40 | Zeal | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Zeal/Sandbox/Templates/section |
| 18:03.07 | Kyrin | how is subst different from a normal template inclusion? |
| 18:04.31 | Kyrin | 'cause as soon as I turned it into {{:{{FULLPAGENAME}}/begin|}} and just made it a regular inclusion instead of using subst in front, it appeared to work for me |
| 18:05.41 | Zeal | yeah, which is what's weird. |
| 18:05.59 | Zeal | subst: is supposed to jsut pull in the contents of the template |
| 18:06.44 | Kyrin | so, it's supposed to be just like a normal template inclusion, or no? |
| 18:07.07 | Kyrin | I guess I should ask the MW guys my first question, how is it different |
| 18:07.27 | Zeal | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Template_substitution |
| 18:07.57 | Zeal | once you save the page, it's not longer an inclusion, it just saves the output from the template. |
| 18:09.32 | Kyrin | got it |
| 18:11.52 | Kyrin | yeah, it's definately not working, 'cause as I understand it, when you open a page for editting, you should never see a {{subst:*}} tag in there, and of course, I did... |
| 18:12.59 | pcj | zeal: {{{{subst:FULLPAGENAME}}/begin}} |
| 18:14.19 | Zeal | that wouldn't subst the template, just fullpagename variable. it could be that it can't do it when the template name contains a template/variable though. |
| 18:14.54 | pcj | Probablyu |
| 18:16.46 | Kyrin | btw, what do you guys use for itemlinking, just itemstats? or a custom extension? 'cause I had itemstats, but it was killing some pages 'cause I think some links were malformed |
| 18:17.29 | Zeal | on WW? we use {{loot}} |
| 18:18.07 | Kyrin | is that just a template or an extension though? 'cause I looked at the page and just got confused |
| 18:18.18 | Zeal | all doen through templates, and then custom js for hover tooltips. |
| 18:18.26 | Kyrin | ah |
| 18:19.58 | Kyrin | figured as much 'cause you guys are crazy awesome with this wiki stuff, and I'm stil working on learning it |
| 18:24.26 | Zeal | pretty much, {{tooltip}} is placed on an item's page, with the parameters for information about the item. {{loot}} creates a link styled similar to ingame to offset it from regular links and has a class. the js looks for the class, then check's the link's title tag for the item page's name, does an ajax call to get the tooltip from the item's page, then displays it when you hover over the respective link. |
| 18:26.05 | Kyrin | Ah, k, so it loads the information on mouseover as opposed to preloading it all? |
| 18:26.16 | pcj | yes |
| 18:26.25 | Kyrin | nice |
| 18:26.28 | Kyrin | I like that idea |
| 18:30.52 | Zeal | except it doesn't cache calls at all, which is something i'd like to see it do on a per page basis. ;) |
| 18:32.09 | pcj | hmm |
| 18:32.20 | pcj | good idea |
| 18:32.23 | pcj | i'll think about it |
| 18:36.47 | Zeal | :p |
| 18:37.56 | pcj | ? |
| 18:39.42 | Taurmindo | so, the remake of replacing about all {{loot}}with {{item}}, does that mena that loot will eventually be removed? |
| 18:39.53 | pcj | no |
| 18:39.59 | pcj | {{item}} uses {{loot}} |
| 18:39.59 | [NewsBot] | pcj meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:item |
| 18:40.11 | Taurmindo | 'cause i prefer loot when linking enchants, since item doesn't work on those, while obviously not being an item but an enchant. |
| 18:40.13 | Taurmindo | oh, good. |
| 18:40.41 | pcj | well i'd like to change enchants to an enchant-specific template actually :P |
| 18:41.52 | Taurmindo | would be fine by me, just as long as there's something to link those with. |
| 18:41.57 | Taurmindo | as with transmutes. |
| 18:48.28 | Zeal | {{loot}} was the original method, and has all the styling and formatting code. {{item}} is a new thing that foxlit implemented and pcj has been converting to. basically it works in combination with soem recent {{tooltip}} changes, which allow people to transclude information about an item from the itme's page, eg. {{:<item name>|mode=link}} (which returns the item's info formatted by {{loot}}) or {{:<item name>|mode=arg|arg=ar |
| 18:48.28 | [NewsBot] | Zeal meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:loot |
| 18:48.45 | Zeal | personally i think it's going to break the wiki down. |
| 18:49.03 | pcj | how could it do that |
| 18:49.50 | Zeal | because of how {{tooltip}}/item pages function like a template that uses {{exist}}, which is how i broke the wiki before. |
| 18:50.27 | Zeal | same reason why you quickly discovered using too many {{item}}s in a page exceeds the template expansion limit and kills the page. |
| 18:50.40 | Zeal | same thing happened with the old {{loot}} |
| 18:50.42 | pcj | Yeah, but that's on a per-page basis, not the whole wiki |
| 18:52.08 | Zeal | it adds up and strains the wiki, because all pages that transclude an item page transclude pages that {{tooltip}} includes. |
| 18:52.52 | pcj | It only "strains" the wiki on a per-page basis, not the entire wiki |
| 18:53.18 | Zeal | it will |
| 18:53.47 | pcj | Whatever |
| 19:00.34 | Zeal | The technical details are lost to me, but it's having an effect. The transclusion system is not that robust. Be nice if view source showed what was being trasncluded : / |
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| 19:06.39 | pcj | well if we wanted to do that we could put dummy DIVs in the templates themselves |
| 19:08.11 | Zeal | hm? |
| 19:09.07 | pcj | "tracer" DIVs with no content in them since comments aren't rendered |
| 19:23.03 | Zeal | edit conflcits ftl |
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| 19:23.40 | Zeal | so yeah, well done pcj. broke a page with {{item}} ;) |
| 19:24.50 | pcj | a page, not the wiki :P |
| 19:25.53 | Zeal | i know, just saying |
| 19:27.17 | Zeal | before foxlit changed item, the impact would have been noticed immediately. but because each page where the cause will exist is seperate now, the global impact won't be seen for while yet. |
| 19:30.14 | Zeal | annoying that the mark as patrolled link (well the url param that makes it appear) only appears on direct diff links from rc or wl, not on history pages or browsing the diffs. : / |
| 19:30.47 | Keolah | I was having this odd dream last night where I was editting this wiki to fix vandalism... |
| 19:31.00 | pcj | hmm well the fact that the revision has been patrolled only shows up on Recent changes as far as I'm aware |
| 19:31.03 | Zeal | atleast it's not another wow dream :P |
| 19:31.24 | Zeal | and watch lists (though perhaps only for patrollers) |
| 19:31.33 | Keolah | I was editting this article on "antibiokinetics" which someone had redirected to something Swedish. |
| 19:31.43 | Zeal | lol |
| 19:31.49 | pcj | ah, well i don't really even use watchlist |
| 19:32.07 | Zeal | it's all i use usually. |
| 19:34.43 | Zeal | btw, when i checked the jc recipie page and tracing back, i was checking the expansion comments in the source. it never exceeded the limit, jsut very very close. does mw not only expand up to a limit and not count past that, cos it makes displaying the already cut off sizes rather pointless, as you can't see when it has exceeded the max. :S |
| 19:34.55 | Zeal | *now only |
| 19:35.19 | pcj | was that a question |
| 19:35.33 | Zeal | lol, a poor one, aye. |
| 19:36.02 | Zeal | "Pre-expand include size: 2097133 bytes, Post-expand include size: 727149 bytes, Template argument size: 356584 bytes, Maximum: 2097152 bytes" |
| 19:36.32 | pcj | Well, I'm pretty sure it means expanding another template would put it over the max |
| 19:36.38 | pcj | Kinda like The Price is Right |
| 19:37.34 | Zeal | it never reached the limit, yet it stopped expanding. It seems MW now predicts the expansion, and stops short of of the max and lists that size. where as before, it would list the full expansion size even over the limit, but not expand past the limit. |
| 19:37.54 | Zeal | yeah |
| 19:38.07 | Zeal | just makes the comments a little misleading now is all. |
| 19:38.28 | pcj | Well, it's not like it's not obvious what's going on |
| 19:39.58 | Zeal | true, but nice to have the numbers to back it up :p |
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| 20:12.11 | Zeal | i have a choice when working with templates to work about MW's failed article structure. Mark up headers on seperate lines, as you would with block level elements, but making it so the headers do to get recognized in the ToC and no edit links get added. Alternatively, mark them up on one line so MW recognises them, put them in the ToC, but creates edit links which serve no function. |
| 20:13.36 | pcj | cool |
| 20:16.27 | Zeal | heh. mainly just because MW doesn't do any extrapolation of where a heading or section would be if it's contained in a template. I can make MW change from making the edit link point to the template or the article where the template is being used, but neither is anymore helpful. : / |
| 20:17.46 | Zeal | I want ToC inclusion, and while the concept of edit sections are nice, until they play well with templates, there's no point in them (well unless WikiML changes what ='s do for headers). |
| 20:18.42 | pcj | /bored |
| 20:18.53 | pcj | !wwstats |
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| 20:22.32 | Zeal | hm.. since when did wow.com redirect to wowinsider instead of the aol page? |
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| 20:29.16 | pcj | http://www.wowwiki.com/Forum_tracker |
| 20:33.55 | Zeal | erm.. forum tracker is correct according to policy |
| 20:34.04 | Zeal | forum trackers would be incorrect. |
| 20:35.39 | pcj | it's a list of forum trackers |
| 20:36.05 | pcj | http://www.wowwiki.com/WW:NAME#Plurality |
| 20:36.10 | pcj | "Exceptions to this rule:" |
| 20:36.16 | pcj | "Articles that are lists" |
| 20:36.16 | Zeal | it's not supposed to be list |
| 20:36.22 | pcj | Well, it is. |
| 20:37.33 | Zeal | not anymore. |
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| 23:13.19 | pcj | http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Contributions/Pongmo |
| 23:21.04 | sacarasc | i heard that server sucks |
| 23:44.36 | pcj | can someone lock [[Server:Demon Soul US]] for editing so these people can cool off |
| 23:49.53 | pcj | http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Contributions/Neorev |
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